[Ag-eq] Michelle's horses was Re: Jody's horses

Thu Apr 18 01:35:38 UTC 2013

Hi Nella 

Cool, thanks for all the explanations! Herd-bound makes sense. Yes it is the
lower ranking one that gets upset.

Who is Clinton Anderson? Never heard of him. I'd love to hear what I cann do
in terms of exercise to make her move. I'm very clear with her on who is
boss but this sounds so neat and sounds challenging.

Thanks Nella.

Michelle

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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:27 PM
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Hi Michelle:

In horses we call it herd bound, not seperation anxiety, however it's
basically the same thing.

Do you have problems with just one horse?

In all herds there will always be a leader, and a follower, or followers in
large groups.  Often the lower ranking members of the herd get upset when
the leader gets to far away.  Horses are herd animals and a lot of their
survival depends on staying in a group.  A lion doesn't attack the center of
a herd, it looks for an animal on the fringes, so it is in the horse's best
interest to stay close to the other members of it's herd.  The lower ranking
members look to the leader for guidance.  In wild horse herds the leader is
usually an older healthy mare, she keeps the group together and provides
disaplin.  She also looks for good grazing., while the stallion is the
protector; he also looks for grass.

I could be wrong, but my guess is that when you take out the lead mare the
other one gets upset.  I used to have a little mule named Cricket, who
ranked low in the herd.  She would get very upset whenever I took Allie the
lead mare out. 
She also got upset on rides it the other horses got to far from her.  She
would have broken her neck to keep up with the leader.  I worked with her,
but she never totally got over it.

I would use some Clinton Anderson stuff and make her move; this lets her
know you're the boss.  Tying her is also a good idea.

Let us know what happens.

Nella

Quoting Michelle Creedy  <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>:

> Jewel, yes she's quite used to being tied up. No worries there and 
> she's always tied up short. I tie them up to groom them just so the 
> younger one gets used to it.
>
> Michelle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ag-eq [mailto:ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:39 AM
> To: Agricultural and Equestrean Division List
> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Michelle's horses was Re: Jody's horses
>
> Michelle!  As I said previously, but will repeat, I am not an expert 
> horse trainer , so I will not get all bitter and twisted if you choose 
> to ignore my advice, but, for what it is worth, the first thing that a 
> horse should learn is to "tie up".  Don't think that you are being 
> kind by tying her up on a long tether.  She should be tied up short.  
> It will nhot frighten her; on the contrary, it will give her a sense 
> of security, and, to boot, if she should try pulling back, she will 
> not be able to exert the same force as she would if on a long rope!
>
>         Jewel
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Michelle Creedy " <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:49 PM
> To: "'Jewel'" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>
> Subject: RE: Michelle's horses was Re: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>
> LOL, that makes sense! I feel so stupid now! How did I never think of 
> tying up the little mini?
>
> Question though, will she hurt her little self while tied up? I 
> totally agree, the girl needs to get over herself.
>
> Michelle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jewel [mailto:jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:12 PM
> To: Michelle Creedy
> Subject: Michelle's horses was Re: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>
> Michelle!  Why not take the little one out and tie her up while you 
> are working her companion and then reverse them.
> What happens if you tie her up in the pen, so she can't barge out when 
> you take her buddy out?  She has got to learn that being left alone, 
> temporarily, is not a death sentence!
>
>        Jewel
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Michelle Creedy " <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:00 PM
> To: "'Jewel'" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>
> Subject: RE: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>
> Jewel, that is a great idea only I have to figure out a way to get the 
> one out without the little one escaping.
>
> Michelle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jewel [mailto:jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 5:33 PM
> To: Michelle Creedy
> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>
> Michelle!  I am not a horse trainer although I did have a lot to do 
> with them in my younger days, but why not take the horse you are not 
> working out of the pen and just tying her up while you are working the
other?
> and then just swap them over so that they both get their share of your 
> attention.
>
>        Jewel
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Michelle Creedy " <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:03 PM
> To: "'Jewel'" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>; "'Agricultural and 
> Equestrean Division List'"
> <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: RE: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>
> Hi Jewel
>
> I have a question. I've got two minis and one of my little minis has a 
> lot of separation anxiety when the other leaves. She tries to run out the
gate.
> I don't at this moment in time have a reliable person to help me. I'd 
> like to start clicker training them but I'm scared to do it with both 
> of them in the same pen? What if one attacks me because she's not 
> getting treats? On the other hand, I'm stagnating because I can't 
> figure out how to get her over this without having another pair of hands
to help.
>
> Michelle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ag-eq [mailto:ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:05 PM
> To: Agricultural and Equestrean Division List
> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>
> Nella!  Horses can be trained, very effectively, with click and treat 
> just as dogs can be.  Panda, Anne Edie's guide horse was trained, 
> exclusively, with c&t.
>
> Put his favourite nibble:  pieces of carrot, apple, dates or 
> what-have-you into a paper or plastic bag and make sure that in 
> getting his treat out, the bag makes plenty of crinkle sounds.
>
>        Jewel
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:50 AM
> To: <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>
>
> hi Jody:
>
> How are your horses settling in and what sort of adventures are you 
> having with them?
>
> I haven't ridden my poor horse in almost a month, we've just done a 
> little ground work.  I'm trying to get him used to the sound of paper 
> and plastic; he doesn't like either one and will spook at the sound.  
> He also doesn't like fly spray, so we are working on that too.
>
> He has learned how to open almost every gate on the property, so now 
> all the gates have clips on them.  He's a very clever boy and I'm sure 
> he's trying to figure out how to get into the house.
>
> On Sunday I will do another group lesson with him.  I'm sure we will 
> work on smooth turns and transitioning between his gaits.  I've got to 
> start riding him more, he's getting a little chubby and out of shape!
>
> I look forward to hearing more about your ponies.
>
> Nella
>
>
>
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