[Ag-eq] Michelle's horses was Re: Jody's horses

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Thu Apr 18 18:19:05 UTC 2013 

I saw Clinton Anderson on TV here, up until a few months ago.  The show was 
called Down Under Horsemanship.  I don't know if one could find the TV shows 
online or something.

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From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
To: "Agricultural and Equestrean Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Michelle's horses was Re: Jody's horses


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> Michelle:
>
> Clinton Anderson is a nationally known horse trainer.  He has several 
> training
> books and DVDs.  He's pretty much doing the same things as Pat Parelli or 
> John
> Lyons; I just think he explains it better.
>
> All of these trainers say to get the horses respect and trust you need to 
> make
> them move their feet.  Lead horses get the lower ranking horses to move by
> using their body language.  They may pin their ears or turn as to kick to 
> get
> the other horse to move.  The lower ranking horses move out of respect.
>
> Clinton Anderson says make the wrong thing hard for them and the right 
> things
> easy.  For example if a horse doesn't want to get into a trailer make the 
> horse
> back, side pass or circle.  They soon learn it's easier just to get into 
> the
> trailer.  When Cruiser doesn't want to stand still for the fly spray or
> conditioner I have him back, move his shoulders, his hind quarters or 
> circle.
> If he stands quietly for the spray, even just for a little bit I back off 
> and
> praise him.  He will now stand while I spray his hind quarters, body and 
> legs,
> but moves off when I spray his shoulders, neck or head.  He will let me 
> spray
> close to him, but doesn't want the contact.  Each time I work on getting
> closer.
>
> You also want them to learn to move away from the slightest pressure.  I 
> can
> lightly touch Cruiser's nose or chest and he steps back.  If I touch his 
> right
> shoulder he crosses his front legs and moves to the left.  He does the 
> same
> thing to the right when I touch the left side.  I can touch his left hip 
> and he
> crosses his back legs to go right and will do it to the left to.  These
> exercises are also good for muscle development.
>
> I'm not sure if I'm explaining this well, so let me know if you have more
> questions.  If you could get some Clinton Anderson books or DVDs I think 
> it
> would be helpful.  When I first started listening to him I didn't always
> understand what he was doing on the DVDs, so if you have a friend who's 
> into
> horses maybe you could watch them together.  If you know of any trainers, 
> it
> might be helpful to have a few groud work lessons.  I feel that ground 
> work is
> my weakest area.  It is quite visual and timing is so important.
>
> Nella
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> Quoting Michelle Creedy  <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Nella
>>
>> Cool, thanks for all the explanations! Herd-bound makes sense. Yes it is 
>> the
>> lower ranking one that gets upset.
>>
>> Who is Clinton Anderson? Never heard of him. I'd love to hear what I cann 
>> do
>> in terms of exercise to make her move. I'm very clear with her on who is
>> boss but this sounds so neat and sounds challenging.
>>
>> Thanks Nella.
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ag-eq [mailto:ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> nfoster at extremezone.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:27 PM
>> To: Agricultural and Equestrean Division List
>> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Michelle's horses was Re: Jody's horses
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Michelle:
>>
>> In horses we call it herd bound, not seperation anxiety, however it's
>> basically the same thing.
>>
>> Do you have problems with just one horse?
>>
>> In all herds there will always be a leader, and a follower, or followers 
>> in
>> large groups.  Often the lower ranking members of the herd get upset when
>> the leader gets to far away.  Horses are herd animals and a lot of their
>> survival depends on staying in a group.  A lion doesn't attack the center 
>> of
>> a herd, it looks for an animal on the fringes, so it is in the horse's 
>> best
>> interest to stay close to the other members of it's herd.  The lower 
>> ranking
>> members look to the leader for guidance.  In wild horse herds the leader 
>> is
>> usually an older healthy mare, she keeps the group together and provides
>> disaplin.  She also looks for good grazing., while the stallion is the
>> protector; he also looks for grass.
>>
>> I could be wrong, but my guess is that when you take out the lead mare 
>> the
>> other one gets upset.  I used to have a little mule named Cricket, who
>> ranked low in the herd.  She would get very upset whenever I took Allie 
>> the
>> lead mare out.
>> She also got upset on rides it the other horses got to far from her.  She
>> would have broken her neck to keep up with the leader.  I worked with 
>> her,
>> but she never totally got over it.
>>
>> I would use some Clinton Anderson stuff and make her move; this lets her
>> know you're the boss.  Tying her is also a good idea.
>>
>> Let us know what happens.
>>
>> Nella
>>
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>> Quoting Michelle Creedy  <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>:
>>
>> > Jewel, yes she's quite used to being tied up. No worries there and
>> > she's always tied up short. I tie them up to groom them just so the
>> > younger one gets used to it.
>> >
>> > Michelle
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Ag-eq [mailto:ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:39 AM
>> > To: Agricultural and Equestrean Division List
>> > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Michelle's horses was Re: Jody's horses
>> >
>> > Michelle!  As I said previously, but will repeat, I am not an expert
>> > horse trainer , so I will not get all bitter and twisted if you choose
>> > to ignore my advice, but, for what it is worth, the first thing that a
>> > horse should learn is to "tie up".  Don't think that you are being
>> > kind by tying her up on a long tether.  She should be tied up short.
>> > It will nhot frighten her; on the contrary, it will give her a sense
>> > of security, and, to boot, if she should try pulling back, she will
>> > not be able to exert the same force as she would if on a long rope!
>> >
>> >         Jewel
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Michelle Creedy " <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:49 PM
>> > To: "'Jewel'" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>
>> > Subject: RE: Michelle's horses was Re: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>> >
>> > LOL, that makes sense! I feel so stupid now! How did I never think of
>> > tying up the little mini?
>> >
>> > Question though, will she hurt her little self while tied up? I
>> > totally agree, the girl needs to get over herself.
>> >
>> > Michelle
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jewel [mailto:jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:12 PM
>> > To: Michelle Creedy
>> > Subject: Michelle's horses was Re: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>> >
>> > Michelle!  Why not take the little one out and tie her up while you
>> > are working her companion and then reverse them.
>> > What happens if you tie her up in the pen, so she can't barge out when
>> > you take her buddy out?  She has got to learn that being left alone,
>> > temporarily, is not a death sentence!
>> >
>> >        Jewel
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Michelle Creedy " <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:00 PM
>> > To: "'Jewel'" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>
>> > Subject: RE: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>> >
>> > Jewel, that is a great idea only I have to figure out a way to get the
>> > one out without the little one escaping.
>> >
>> > Michelle
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jewel [mailto:jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 5:33 PM
>> > To: Michelle Creedy
>> > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>> >
>> > Michelle!  I am not a horse trainer although I did have a lot to do
>> > with them in my younger days, but why not take the horse you are not
>> > working out of the pen and just tying her up while you are working the
>> other?
>> > and then just swap them over so that they both get their share of your
>> > attention.
>> >
>> >        Jewel
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Michelle Creedy " <michelle.creedy at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:03 PM
>> > To: "'Jewel'" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>; "'Agricultural and
>> > Equestrean Division List'"
>> > <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: RE: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>> >
>> > Hi Jewel
>> >
>> > I have a question. I've got two minis and one of my little minis has a
>> > lot of separation anxiety when the other leaves. She tries to run out 
>> > the
>> gate.
>> > I don't at this moment in time have a reliable person to help me. I'd
>> > like to start clicker training them but I'm scared to do it with both
>> > of them in the same pen? What if one attacks me because she's not
>> > getting treats? On the other hand, I'm stagnating because I can't
>> > figure out how to get her over this without having another pair of 
>> > hands
>> to help.
>> >
>> > Michelle
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Ag-eq [mailto:ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:05 PM
>> > To: Agricultural and Equestrean Division List
>> > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>> >
>> > Nella!  Horses can be trained, very effectively, with click and treat
>> > just as dogs can be.  Panda, Anne Edie's guide horse was trained,
>> > exclusively, with c&t.
>> >
>> > Put his favourite nibble:  pieces of carrot, apple, dates or
>> > what-have-you into a paper or plastic bag and make sure that in
>> > getting his treat out, the bag makes plenty of crinkle sounds.
>> >
>> >        Jewel
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:50 AM
>> > To: <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: [Ag-eq] Jody's horses
>> >
>> >
>> > hi Jody:
>> >
>> > How are your horses settling in and what sort of adventures are you
>> > having with them?
>> >
>> > I haven't ridden my poor horse in almost a month, we've just done a
>> > little ground work.  I'm trying to get him used to the sound of paper
>> > and plastic; he doesn't like either one and will spook at the sound.
>> > He also doesn't like fly spray, so we are working on that too.
>> >
>> > He has learned how to open almost every gate on the property, so now
>> > all the gates have clips on them.  He's a very clever boy and I'm sure
>> > he's trying to figure out how to get into the house.
>> >
>> > On Sunday I will do another group lesson with him.  I'm sure we will
>> > work on smooth turns and transitioning between his gaits.  I've got to
>> > start riding him more, he's getting a little chubby and out of shape!
>> >
>> > I look forward to hearing more about your ponies.
>> >
>> > Nella
>> >
>> >
>> >
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