[Ag-eq] Welcome

Fri Jan 24 04:09:17 UTC 2014

Nella!  the *foxtrot does sound rather like the gait  that I said Sparkle, the pacer and Boss, the 
Thoroughbred steeplechaser were able to produce!
I stand to be corrected, but I don't think that carriage horses ever did the unilateral pace as 
racing pacers do.  I think that the gait was developed specifically for racing.
Most pacers have to be hobbled to keep them from going into a diagonal trot, but there is, the 
occasional, * free-legged pacer who does not require hobbles.
One of the best free-legged pacers that I can remember was Rob allan, and he was a sensation, and 
then there was Scotch Tarr, a trotter, but he was so fast that he was raced against pacers and, 
often, left them gasping in the  rear.
and while on the subject of gaits, what in cowboy and western stories is a "dead run"?  Is it just a 
gallop?

        Jewel
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Hi Jewel:

I'll try and explain the fox trot; I still can't really get a mental picture of
it!

In a correct fox trot it looks as if the horses hind legs are trotting while the
front legs are doing an extended walk.  Cruiser's fox trot is extremely smooth;
I'm told that he has a text book fox trot.  It feels as if you are gliding; the
horses back should stay quite level while in the fox trot.

Cruiser can do a slow walk, which we refer to as the dog walk.  He can do a flat
walk, which is an extended walk; it was developed to cover more ground.  He can
do a fox trot, which I've already described.  He also has a beautiful rocking
horse canter, which is also very smooth.

People with gaited horses do not want them to do the traditional trot.  The
ability to gait well is a combination of genetics, training and the riders
ability.  Cruiser is genetically hard wired to gait; I can't take any of the
credit.  To the best of my knowledge he has never done a traditional trot.

Most people with gaited horses do not want them to pace either.  A pace is a 2
beat lateral movement and can be quite jarring.  Although, I'm told that it is
comfortable on some horses.  I believe the pace was developed for carriage
horses.

I used to ride a friends Tennessee Walker who would sometimes pace.  I found it
to be very uncomfortable.  He had a very nice flat walk and a nice running
walk.  A running walk is basically the same as a flat walk, just faster.  This
particular horse had to have a lot of training before he gaited well.  If I
ever got sloppy with my riding he would start pacing.  I would then have to
adjust my seat and reins to get him to gait again.

Sometimes when I get sloppy with Cruiser his fox trot won't be quite as smooth.
As I said before he has never trotted and I don't think he's ever paced either.

There is so much to know about gaited horses and I'm still learning all the
time.

Quoting Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>:

> I read a book many years ago, about American show horses, called "Riding
> High" and it spoke of the
> 5-gaited American horse and explained the action of the foxtrot, but it was
> so long ago that I have
> forgotten.
> I think that it said the forelegs were in a trot while the hindlegs were in a
> canter;  I just could
> not picture  it,:  after all:  just how many different gaits can you get out
> of 4 legs?
> I do not move in horse circles:  not actual ones you understand:  any more,
> and, no doubt, some of
> our Kiwi western riders may teach the foxtrot, but, Nella, could you draw a
> verbal picture of the
> gait?.
> One awful practice that was common in those days amongst those who showed
> horses was to break the
> dock and  strap it upright, so that when the fracture knit that was its
> permanent position!
> I hope that practice has been outlawed, but in a country where dog's ears are
> cropped and made to be
> pricked when dropped ears is the norm for the breed, who knows?
> Twice in my riding life, I had horses who could do a fantastic gait. like a
> very slow trot that I
> could sit to without the merest suggestion of a bump, and without having to
> keep my knees clamped to
> the horse's sides.
>   one was a pacer and the other was Boss, the thoroughbred that I wrote of in
> a post of a couple of
> months back.
>
> I never thought of asking what the configuration of the horse's legs was when
> it was doing this
> trot?  As one of the horses was a pacer, could it have been a pace?  but it
> would have been
> surprising if the thoroughbred could do it without hobbles, but he could!  It
> was the smoothest and
> most relaxing gait/pace  to ride to!
>
>         Jewel
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>
> Hi Jody:
>
> it sounds as if Florida is much cooler than Arizona.
>
> I'm hoping we will get a couple of freezes so the insect population won't be
> so
> bad this summer.
>
> How are your young horses and what have you been doing with them?
>
> Have you been riding the older horse any?
>
> I've been getting some great rides in.  Cruiser and I seem to be a better
> team
> each time I ride.  I've been working on his transission from fox trot to
> canter.  I'm also working with him on keeping a consistant speed in both the
> fox trot and canter.  I've also been trying to get him to extend his flat
> walk,
> but he tends to go into the fox trot instead of lengthebing his stride.  I
> may
> have to get a trainer to help me with that one.
>
> Please write and update us on the horses.
>
> Nella
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Jody W Ianuzzi <jody at thewhitehats.com>:
>
> > Welcome to the new members to the list.I am Jody with husband Tom and owner
> > trained guide dog Walker
> >
> > We live on a 5 acre farm in central Florida with three horses and three
> > chickens.  We have a large garden which is a source of frustration with
> > weather, rabbits and horses who are determined that everything I grow never
> > reaches the table.  This is the usual beginning of our growing season but
> > northern temperatures have everything on hold.  We actually take the summer
> > off for growing because it is too hot.
> >
> > We used to live in New Hampshire and I am more familiar with northing
> growing
> > methods so growing a garden here is a new learning experience.  We have a
> > great Cooperative Extension and they are very helpful.  We just attended a
> > seminar on Florida gardening which was great.
> >
> > Stay warm everyone except Jewel who is in the middle of summer in New
> > Zealand.  How is your garden this summer Jewel?
> >
> >
> > JODY
> >
> > "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance!" Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:21 AM, nfoster at extremezone.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Tracy:
> > >
> > > It is suppose to be 75 here today.
> > >
> > > Yesterday reached 77.
> > >
> > > We are having an unusually warm winter even for Phoenix.
> > >
> > > Nella
> > >
> > > Quoting Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>:
> > >
> > >> Well Nella and Jody, the thermometer said 5.5 degrees when I got up this
> > >> morning. Brrr!  Yesterday when I went to the gym, I made my Seeing Eye
> dog
> > >> wear his sweater and boots.  He wasn't too happy about it, but he was
> warm
> > >> and dry.
> > >> I really wish I'd done more to protect my tender perennials.  It doesn't
> > >> usually stay cold for long here, but this winter has been really nippy.
> > >> Tracy
> > >>
> > >>
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