[Ag-eq] Gourds

Thu Oct 22 18:39:25 UTC 2015

Tracy, thanks for the explanation.

They sound pretty, but I would want a nice smell.

nella
Quoting Tracy Carcione via Ag-eq <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>:

> Passionflower is a vine.  It has 3 arrow-shaped leaves on each leaf-stem.
> They look a bit like Virginia creeper leaves.  It's flowers have petals at
> the base, then a cross-shaped arrangement of pistils and stamens in the
> middle, like a hibiscus.  They're pretty.  White, maybe, but I forget; they
> could be red. They have a smell which I was hoping would be nice, but isn't
> actually to my taste.  The variety I got is supposed to set passionfruit,
> but I haven't gotten any yet.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ag-eq [mailto:ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nella Foster via
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> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 1:44 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Gourds
>
> Tracy: what does passion flower look like?
>
> Nella
> Quoting Tracy Carcione via Ag-eq <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>:
>
> > I'm only guessing that moving the squash plants would deter the
> > borers, but your experience makes me doubtful.  Maybe the squash bugs
> > fly around and zoom in when they see what they're looking for.  Guess
> > I'll have to ask Google.
> >
> > Gourds and morning glory sounds interesting.  I had my gourd on a
> > trellis with passionflower, morning glory, and some pole beans
> > reaching over.  It was a bit crowded in the end, especially since the
> > squash was more aggressive than I remembered.
> >
> > I think the Indian squash might be bitter, so a person would need to
> > know how to deal with it.  It certainly is vigorous, though.
> > Tracy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ag-eq [mailto:ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nella
> > Foster via Ag-eq
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:18 AM
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> > Cc: nfoster at extremezone.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Gourds
> >
> > Tracy:
> >
> > I wonder how those borers knew that there would be squash here, there
> > hasn't been a garden on this property in years.
> >
> > So you think if I move the squash to a different location next year I
> > might have better luck?
> >
> > I couldn't believe how fast they died.
> >
> > A friend of mine vined gourds and morning glories on the same trellis
> > and it looked really neat.
> >
> > Maybe we should try those Indian squash.
> >
> > Nella
> > Quoting Tracy Carcione via Ag-eq <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>:
> >
> > > Yeah, the borers killed my squash, too.  Next year, I'll have to
> > > move them or try the diatomaceous earth.  Or I think I can cover
> > > them with a fine net until some strategic time has passed.  The
> > > trick would be to stop the squash bug from laying its eggs, but
> > > allow the bees to get the flowers when they appear.
> > >
> > > I've only grown the birdhouse gourds.  I've thought about luffa,
> > > though.  If you fancy it, go for it!  Like I said, the seeds are
> > > cheap, and it doesn't take a lot of effort, unless you need to put
> > > in something for them to climb on.
> > > The best climbing support I have is made of plumbing pipe.  It's
> > > basically a half rectangle, standing up, with its feet buried about
> > > a foot in the ground.  It was a job to get the feet well down into
> > > the ground, but, once it was done, it's lasted decades.  All I have
> > > to do is periodically put new strings on the top bar for things to
> climb.
> > >
> > > My neighbors are from India, and they grow this Indian squash that's
> > > pretty scary.  It's about 3 feet long, with ridges along the sides,
> > > and it
> > spirals.
> > > I've no idea how to cook them, but the Indians love them.  They
> > > don't seem to be bothered by pests, either.
> > > Tracy
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ag-eq [mailto:ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nella
> > > Foster via Ag-eq
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:48 AM
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> > > Cc: nfoster at extremezone.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Gourds
> > >
> > > Tracy:
> > >
> > > The borers killed my squash; I just got a few and then they were
> murdered!
> > >
> > > What kind of gourds have you tried?
> > >
> > > I thought I might like to grow some loofah gourd.  You can use them
> > > for cleaning and such.
> > >
> > > Nella
> > > Quoting Tracy Carcione via Ag-eq <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>:
> > >
> > > > So far as I can tell, gourds are incredibly easy, especially if
> > > > you have something for them to climb on.  My neighbor puts them on
> > > > the fence, where they tend to leap over and invade my yard and
> > > > attack my
> > > trees.
> > > > The birdhouse gourd I have is very vigorous, and doesn't seem to
> > > > be bothered by the borers that bother my zucchini.  The vines are
> > > > fuzzy and have a big smell, so maybe that stops the bugs.
> > > > If anyone wants seeds, I can send some. But there's a big variety
> > > > to be found online, and they're pretty cheap.
> > > > Tracy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] how is everyone
> > > >
> > > > Tracy:
> > > >
> > > > I'm always amazed at the variety you have.
> > > >
> > > > I've always wanted to plant gourds, but have never tried it.
> > > >
> > > > Nella
> > > > Quoting Tracy Carcione via Ag-eq <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Nella and everyone.
> > > > > A donkey!  How exciting!  I just think donkeys are neat.
> > > > >
> > > > > We had an unusually early frost Sunday, which killed off my
> > > > > tomatoes and beans.  I was very sorry to see them go, especially
> > > > > the pole beans, which were still flowering.  I love pole beans.
> > > > > Some of my garden this year has been the definition of abundance
> > > > > for me--lots of
> > > > harvest for almost no work.
> > > > > I got a huge apple crop, and all I had to do was pick up apples
> > > > > and process them, and thank my beautiful tree.  Much the same
> > > > > for pole beans--put up supports, which I did years ago, plant
> > > > > the beans, replace any climbing strings that need replacing,
> > > > > occasionally check that too many vines aren't climbing the same
> > > > > string, and pick the harvest when it's ready.  I planted Aztec
> > > > > runner beans, and I've gotten lots of both fresh and dried beans.
> > > > > I think the flowers are purple or red, and the beans are big, in
> > > > > 6-inch long flat pods that are
> > > > very tasty fresh.  Like I said, I love pole beans.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also had a gourd that was killed by the frost.  It produced
> > > > > one big birdhouse gourd, which I'm going to dry.  It looks like
> > > > > a jug, with a big bottom, narrow neck, and fat head.  The vine
> > > > > kept trying to take over the world, though.
> > > > >
> > > > > I still have chard, kale, and turnips, which I covered with a
> > > > > cold frame when the frost came.  They should be good well into the
> cold.
> > > > > I tried planting lettuce and spinach about a month ago, but it
> > > > > never came up.  I might try it again in the cold frame.
> > > > > Tracy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > > > Foster via Ag-eq
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:52 AM
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> > > > > Subject: [Ag-eq] how is everyone
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello All:
> > > > >
> > > > > The list has been pretty quiet lately so I just thought I would
> > > > > see what everyone is up to.
> > > > >
> > > > > How are the gardens?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm still getting tomatos and peppers.  I was lazy and didn't
> > > > > get my act together to plant a fall garden.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who is planting a fall garden?
> > > > >
> > > > > Four of my goats are pregnant and will be kidding in mid to late
> > > January.
> > > > > I'm looking forward to having fresh milk again.  I can't wait to
> > > > > make yogurt and cheese.  I'm going to get a cream seperater and
> > > > > hopefully make
> > > > butter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cruiser the horse is at a local trainer and I'm happy to be
> > > > > riding
> > > again.
> > > > > He's doing really well and we're having fun.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to look at a donkey today.  He's being used as a
> > > > > guardian for smaller livestock, which will be his job here.  He
> > > > > will also be a friend for Cruiser.
> > > > > Cruiser was attached to my old mule and has been a little lonely
> > > > > since his death.  Hopefully the donkey will be as well behaved
> > > > > as the owner says; if so he will be delivered tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, that's about all that is going on here.  I hope the rest
> > > > > of you will update on your lives.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nella
> > > > >
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