[AG-EQ] question about trotting..

Mon Nov 27 14:02:22 UTC 2023

Currently I live in Ohio. So I typically race at Dayton, Hollywood Park or Miami Valley gaming. Occasionally I go up to scioto downs, or Northfield Park. Since I lost my vision, I have not had a horse on the grand circuit. The grand circuit is typically breeders crown races, which often times take place in Goshen New York Rochester, Michigan East Rutherford, New Jersey, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Pompano Beach, Florida, Scioto, Downs, Indiana, Downs, and the like. Because I am unable to travel the way I used to. I typically buy local bread horses now. That are not the caliber of whores to make the grand circuit. Mostly sire, steak races.  You can follow us by downloading the TVG app which will enable you to follow all horse racing in all categories and shows simulcast at every track. 

Denver A. Jones, D.D.

> On Nov 26, 2023, at 19:39, Tracy Carcione via AG-EQ <ag-eq at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Hi Denver.
> So cool to have a harness trainer on the list!  Do you have horses running under your name at the Meadowlands, or under another trainer's name?  I mostly follow thoroughbred racing, but I could follow harness racing more.  
> I live in Jersey, in Teaneck.  Do you live in Jersey?
> Thanks for explaining why harness horses go off-stride.  I always thought they said to themselves "I want to win!  To heck with this trotting; I'm going to gallop!"  Thanks for explaining the real reasons.
> Tracy
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> From: AG-EQ <ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Denver Jones via AG-EQ
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2023 5:55 PM
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> Cc: Denver Jones <emfs1969 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AG-EQ] question about trotting..
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> No harness racing takes place in many states. In fact, I know of about nine states. I have personally raised in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Florida, Virginia, and Ohio.
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> Denver A. Jones, D.D.
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>>> On Nov 26, 2023, at 10:41, David Andrews via AG-EQ <ag-eq at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>> I grew up in New Jersey, and used to hear the Harness Race results on the radio. I have never heard them anywhere else. Don't know if this is because they aren't broadcast, or harness racing is only in the New York area?
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>>> Dave
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>>> At 04:08 PM 11/25/2023, you wrote:
>>> Nella,      I am a 54-year-old man. Widowed three years now. I grew up around harness horses and the horse racing industry. At the age of five, I was jogging my own horses by age 13 I was able to obtain my county fair and matinee license as a driver. A driver by the way sits behind the horse on a sulky. By age 15 I had my class L trainers license and by age 16 I had my class G trainers license. A class L License allowed me to train horses that were registered in my name only.  a class G trainers license on the other hand is a general class license, enabling me to train anybody’s horse. My first real job on my own, I trained a mayor by the name of green with envy. She said a track record at the Meadowlands that was unbroken for 25 years.  Not my horse, of course but I enjoyed the privilege of being listed as her trainer. It was an amazing accomplishment for a young man like me. As I said, I’ve trained for more than 20 years before losing my vision. Since losing my vision 11 years ago I have only been able to train my own horses. Not because I’m not capable , but because I can only hold a class L License now once again. Denver A. Jones, D.D. > On Nov 25, 2023, at 16:19, Nella Foster via AG-EQ <ag-eq at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >  > I'm so excited that this list is still alive.  I don't know what happened to the people that use to be here. > > Denver I hope you will tell us more about yourself and harness racing. > > Nella > > -----Original Message----- > From: AG-EQ <ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Denver Jones via AG-EQ > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 2:58 PM > To: Agricultural and Equestrean Division List <ag-eq at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Denver Jones <emfs1969 at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [AG-EQ] question about trotting.. > > In my seven years of sitting on this list, I have never heard anyone talk about harness horses. It is nice to finally meet another blind person that knows of my pleasure. I was a harness horse trainer for 20 years in the commercial world. I now train my own horses privately with a lead trainer of record.  If you watch the Meadowlands simulcast frequently, you may note it is called breaking stride. Though I’m not sure it is excitement, it typically occurs when there is something wrong with the horse or something has hit the horse, or they are in fear of something hitting them. Typically we can train that out of a horse. However, there is always that occasional freak incident. > > > Denver A. Jones, D.D. > >> On Nov 25, 2023, at 13:56, Tracy Carcione via AG-EQ <ag-eq at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >> No, I love hearing about horses! >> I know a bit about harness racing, which is what standard-breds do.  >> They have trot races and pace races, so they use both kinds, trotters and pacers. >> And, if a horse gets too excited and starts going in a different gait, >> his driver has to slow him down and get him back into the right gait, >> which usually takes him out of the running. >> The Meadowlands broadcast always includes the horses speeding up in >> the rolling gate before they open the gate and set them off, or >> however they do it, so you hear all the horses trotting before the >> race starts.  It sounds very cool. >> Tracy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AG-EQ <ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Nella Foster via >> AG-EQ >> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 1:45 PM >> To: 'Agricultural and Equestrean Division List' <ag-eq at nfbnet.org> >> Cc: jellybeanfarm at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [AG-EQ] question about trotting.. >> >> >> Tracy: >> >> You're correct, a trot is a 2 beat diagonal gait.  There is a short >> moment when all 4 feet are off the ground.  A fox trot is considered a >> broken diagonal gait since the horse is always in contact with the ground. >> >> Yes, there is a Tennessee Walking Horse.  There movements look like >> the walk but at different speeds.  They can do the usual walk and a >> running walk, which is just a very fast walk.  There stride tends to >> be quite long.  They are usually tall, with long legs.  They can also do a canter. >> >> The Missouri Fox Trotter tends to have a shorter stride; they can >> walk, fox trot and canter. >> >> Not all gaited horses gait well, some of them trot and pace which >> isn't desirable.  A pace is a 2 beat lateral gait.  I think it is what >> the sulky racing horses do.  It is not comfortable to sit.  I think >> those are called Standard Breds, but not sure. >> >> Well, that is probably more information than you ever wanted. >> >> Nella >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AG-EQ <ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via >> AG-EQ >> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 11:20 AM >> To: 'Agricultural and Equestrean Division List' <ag-eq at nfbnet.org> >> Cc: carcione at access.net >> Subject: Re: [AG-EQ] question about trotting.. >> >> I can't even picture that.  I thought trotting had to do with how they >> move their legs in concert with each other, but I guess not. >> Isn't there another smooth-gaited horse called a Tennessee walker, or >> something like that? >> Tracy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AG-EQ <ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Nella Foster via >> AG-EQ >> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 11:22 AM >> To: 'Agricultural and Equestrean Division List' <ag-eq at nfbnet.org> >> Cc: jellybeanfarm at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [AG-EQ] question about trotting.. >> >> >> Tracy: I have a Missouri Fox Trotter, but they do not do a classic >> trot.  He does what is called a fox trot, which looks like he is >> walking with the front legs and trotting with the back legs.  It is very comfortable. >> >> Nella >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AG-EQ <ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via >> AG-EQ >> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 9:30 AM >> To: 'Agricultural and Equestrean Division List' <ag-eq at nfbnet.org> >> Cc: carcione at access.net >> Subject: Re: [AG-EQ] question about trotting.. >> >> Hi Nella. >> I didn't know this list still existed, either! >> >> Don't or didn't you have a kind of horse bred for a smooth trot?  A >> Misouri something-or-other?  Sounded very nice when you described it. >> Tracy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AG-EQ <ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Nella Foster via >> AG-EQ >> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 9:57 AM >> To: 'Agricultural and Equestrean Division List' <ag-eq at nfbnet.org> >> Cc: jellybeanfarm at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [AG-EQ] question about trotting.. >> >> >> Madison: >> >> I didn't even know this list was still operating. >> >> I don't think the height of the horse has anything to do with how >> smooth the trot feels.  I've ridden short horses that had very nice >> trots and some that were very rough.  The same thing goes with tall horses. >> >> Do you know the breed of the horse, I think that can make a >> difference.  The horses that I've ridden that were trained for western >> pleasure were very smooth and they were quarter horses.  I've ridden a >> couple of thoroughbreds and one was smoother than the other. >> >> Maybe you could build confidence by riding a horse that you know you >> can stop quickly.  Try trotting just a few steps at a time and slowly >> build up your confidence.  Practice transitioning between the walk and >> trot; if you can control the speed you will have less fear. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Nella >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AG-EQ <ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Madison Martin via >> AG-EQ >> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2023 10:38 PM >> To: ag-eq at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Madison Martin <madison.martin2000 at outlook.com> >> Subject: [AG-EQ] question about trotting.. >> >> Hi all, >> I've been riding for 11-12 years but trotting still really scares me >> (I think it stems from when I fell off of the first pony I ever took >> lessons on because he took off and I couldn't get him to halt and >> whenever there's an increase in speed I expect something bad to happen >> even when my instructor is holding the horse). I've mostly ridden >> horses that were pretty much ponies or actual ponies; one taller horse >> I rode I only rode twice because he developed some nerve issue and the >> other taller one I rode was so stubborn that I don't even remember >> what her trot felt like because I was so focused on keeping her going >> that I don't remember what it felt like. So do taller horses have a >> smoother trot or do the words trot and smooth just not go together? If >> taller horses are smoother then do you think  riding a taller horse >> might help me get over my fear? My instructor and I have talked about >> me doing dressage but in order to do that I'd have to get over my fear >> of trotting. Please be 100% honest  I really hope you do as I look forward to reading what anyone has to say. >> Madison >> Hi, >> I know we don't know each other but because you're an English coach I >> want your thoughts on something. I'm totally blind and I've been >> riding for 11-12 years but trotting still really scares me (I think it >> stems from when I fell off of the first pony I ever took lessons on >> because he took off and I couldn't get him to halt and whenever >> there's an increase in speed I expect something bad to happen even >> when my instructor is holding the horse). I've mostly ridden horses >> that were pretty much ponies or actual ponies; one taller horse I rode >> I only rode twice because he developed some nerve issue and the other >> taller one I rode was so stubborn that I don't even remember what her >> trot felt like because I was so focused on keeping her going that I >> don't remember what it felt like. So do taller horses have a smoother >> trot or do the words trot and smooth just not go together? If taller >> horses are smoother then do you think  riding a taller horse might >> help me get over my fear? My instructor and I have talked about me doing dressage but in order to do that I'd have to get over my fear of trotting. >> Please be 100% honest.  I look forward to reading what you have to say. >> Madison >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AG-EQ mailing list >> AG-
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