[Artists-making-art] Artists-making-art Digest, Vol 16, Issue 5
Lynda Lambert
llambert at zoominternet.net
Sat Feb 8 21:30:27 UTC 2014
Yes, Laurie, you are most definitely in the arts category from everything I
know about what you do and in so many areas of your own creative life. I
agree that there is a lot of very good energy here, too! I feel the same,
and I have not been here very often at all. I just happened to have a
question and thought I would ask it and I really got the help I needed.
Nice to see you here. Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Porter" <free.spirit1 at live.com>
To: <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] Artists-making-art Digest, Vol 16, Issue 5
> Linda:
>
> thanks so much for this definition of the difference between art and
> craft. I think I am now truly where I belong, and given this explanation,
> I know now why I have never been satisfied with just finishing a crafting
> project. I've always found it to be decidedly limiting in imagination,
> creativity and origionality. .
>
> I have been so impressed with the messages I've read on this list so far.
> It sounds like there is some wonderful energy on this listand am looking
> forward read ing more.
>
>
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> 1. Re: arts or crafts new member (Lynda Lambert)
> 2. Re: arts or crafts new member (Ann at acunningham.com)
> 3. Re: arts or crafts new member (Jewel)
> 4. Re: arts or crafts new member (Lynda Lambert)
> 5. Re: arts or crafts new member (Lynda Lambert)
> 6. Re: arts or crafts new member (Patricia C. Estes)
> 7. Re: arts or crafts new member (Lynda Lambert)
> 8. Re: arts or crafts new member (Patricia C. Estes)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:03:18 -0500
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
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> Hi Laurie,
> So nice to see you here. I did not start this group though, I am like
> you, I just came on to ask a question about something I needed to know and
> was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am furiously
> working right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work done for the
> opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is called
> _Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited vision_
> It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind painter.
> It opens one month from today, and if I stop to think about what else has
> to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but just will keep
> on working on the details. The show will appear at two locations this year
> and will have a video that plays in the gallery with the art works,
> Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will even be teaching in the
> gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts course at Geneva College.
> That is where I taught when I was a professor of fine arts and humanities,
> before I retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical context of my work
> and where the ideas have come from when creating it.
>
> To make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a
> conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day
> before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working on
> every day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago,
> but I am still very much involved in everything but being in the
> classroom.
>
> Here is my response to the question you have asked. The gap between an
> artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some
> basic things may be similar between the two, but most things are very far
> apart philisophically.
>
> Both work with the hands, and both love working with the hands and most
> have done it all their life.
> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the satisfaction of
> the finished product that comes out of it.
>
> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with beginning something and
> knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with no notion of where
> the end will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly defined
> path to the finished product. The artist has only some inklings of
> possible outcomes, but has to find them as she works.
>
> The other very big thing I see as a difference between them is that the
> crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from those
> rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the mature
> artist has learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin in the
> early stages by learning techniques, but eventually with the years of
> working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one day - she
> is free of all rules when making art. Everything can be challenged,
> everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is
> there any other profession in this world where there are no rules? It's
> the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no rules
> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath just to say it. Free,
> free, free, at last!
>
> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where the person
> eventually takes the techniques, I think.
>
> A crafter seldom takes things to a different level but is usually content
> to learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to learn
> something else and does that again with it. The artist can take crafts
> materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and then take
> them far beyond because they will combine their techniques and materials
> with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a craft. If you
> cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by learning some
> techniques, or using craft materials, but then the person begins to ask
> the "what if" questions, and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends in
> the road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set" that
> is never satisfied with just the learning of something new, but one that
> constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where the "end" will
> be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never understand what I have
> just said and will most likely be huffing and puffing and angry with it.
> An "artist" is standing and applauding what I have said. It is that
> simple, and that complex. The artist thrives on change and making new
> discoveries and each work leads to other querstions and more change and
> more new discoveries.
>
> One can see the difference when you look at work in types of environments.
> One will be setting at a craft show with a table full of things that are
> basically all the same while the other will have work on display in a
> gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and each is very
> happy with where they are. They are different animals, with different
> ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one has decided their
> own path and each one is comfortable with the decision she has made.
>
> Lynda
>
> Lynda
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurie Porter
> To: Artists-making-art at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM
> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from wisconsin who is a
> fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork. I make
> pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads sewn together with
> thread. but most of my work is in making jewlry, but I have always looked
> upon my beadwork as an art form.
>
> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference between an art and a
> craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms of art but are all arts
> considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list going
> as it is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to bring
> blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the visual
> arts.
>
>
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> From: Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
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> I absolutely loved this explanation of arts versus crafts. I was also
> wondering the difference, so this really makes it clear to me. I do
> polymer clay. While I start with an expectation that it will be some
> sort of elephant or a horse or whatever, who knows what twists and
> turns will happen along the way. By the way, I'm currently working on
> a Harry Potter style house elf holding a tray that can hold business
> ccards. The house elf is done, but the tray still needs to be
> finished.
> Jewel
>
> On 2/7/14, Ann at acunningham.com <Ann at acunningham.com> wrote:
>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If someone who is reading this is
>> still
>> torn I wouldn't be surprised though since there are all sorts of shades
>> in
>> the continuum.
>>
>> I was talking to my daughter and a friend one day. I went off on a
>> tangent
>> tangling all sorts of events together rather randomly. They started
>> laughing
>> and saying something akin to how do you make it from day to day. And I
>> said
>> you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know and follow
>> rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I am paid to
>> break
>> the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already been done.
>>
>> What did you teach before you retired? Ann
>>
>> Ann Cunningham
>> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the world!
>> 303 238 4760
>> ann at acunningham.com
>> http://www.acunningham.com
>> http://www.sensationalbooks.com
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>> Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am
>>> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
>>> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Laurie,
>>> So nice to see you here. I did not start this group though, I am like
>>> you, I just came on to ask a question about something I needed to know
>>> and
>>> was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am furiously
>>> working right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work done for
>>> the
>>> opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is called
>>> _Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited
>>> vision_ It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally
>>> blind
>>> painter. It opens one month from today, and if I stop to think about
>>> what
>>> else has to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but just
>>> will keep on working on the details. The show will appear at two
>>> locations
>>> this year and will have a video that plays in the gallery with the art
>>> works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will even be teaching in
>>> the gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts course at Geneva
>>> College. That is where I taught when I was a professor of fine arts and
>>> humanities, before I retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical
>>> context
>>> of my work and where the ideas have come from when creating it.
>>>
>>> To make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a
>>> conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day
>>> before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working on
>>> every day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago,
>>> but I am still very much involved in everything but being in the
>>> classroom.
>>>
>>> Here is my response to the question you have asked. The gap between an
>>> artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some
>>> basic things may be similar between the two, but most things are very
>>> far
>>> apart philisophically.
>>>
>>> Both work with the hands, and both love working with the hands and most
>>> have done it all their life.
>>> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the satisfaction
>>> of
>>> the finished product that comes out of it.
>>>
>>> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with beginning something and
>>> knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with no notion of where
>>> the end will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly
>>> defined
>>> path to the finished product. The artist has only some inklings of
>>> possible outcomes, but has to find them as she works.
>>>
>>> The other very big thing I see as a difference between them is that the
>>> crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from those
>>> rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the
>>> mature
>>> artist has learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin in
>>> the
>>> early stages by learning techniques, but eventually with the years of
>>> working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one day
>>> - she is free of all rules when making art. Everything can be
>>> challenged,
>>> everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist.
>>> Is
>>> there any other profession in this world where there are no rules? It's
>>> the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no rules
>>> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath just to say it.
>>> Free,
>>> free, free, at last!
>>>
>>> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where the
>>> person
>>> eventually takes the techniques, I think.
>>>
>>> A crafter seldom takes things to a different level but is usually
>>> content
>>> to learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to learn
>>> something else and does that again with it. The artist can take crafts
>>> materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and then
>>> take
>>> them far beyond because they will combine their techniques and materials
>>> with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a craft. If
>>> you
>>> cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by learning some
>>> techniques, or using craft materials, but then the person begins to ask
>>> the "what if" questions, and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends in
>>> the road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set"
>>> that
>>> is never satisfied with just the learning of something new, but one that
>>> constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where the "end" will
>>> be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never understand what I
>>> have
>>> just said and will most likely be huffing and puffing and angry with it.
>>> An "artist" is standing and applauding what I have said. It is that
>>> simple, and that complex. The artist thrives on change and making new
>>> discoveries and each work leads to other querstions and more change and
>>> more new discoveries.
>>>
>>> One can see the difference when you look at work in types of
>>> environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full of
>>> things that are basically all the same while the other will have work
>>> on
>>> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and
>>> each is very happy with where they are. They are different animals, with
>>> different ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one has
>>> decided their own path and each one is comfortable with the decision she
>>> has made.
>>>
>>> Lynda
>>>
>>> Lynda
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Laurie Porter
>>>> To: Artists-making-art at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM
>>>> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>>>>
>>>> Hi Folks:
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to introduce myself. I'm a blind person from wisconsin who is
>>>> a
>>>> fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork. I make
>>>> pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads sewn together
>>>> with
>>>> thread. but most of my work is in making jewlry, but I have always
>>>> looked
>>>> upon my beadwork as an art form.
>>>>
>>>> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference between an art and
>>>> a
>>>> craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms of art but are all arts
>>>> considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list
>>>> going as it is something I've always dreamed of seeing in our efforts
>>>> to
>>>> bring blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the
>>>> visual arts.
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Artists-making-art mailing list
>>>> Artists-making-art at nfbnet.org
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>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 11:44:39 -0500
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
> Message-ID: <00EE5DF7276148B7B8D3EE072C8258A0 at Lambert>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Well, this is an outrageous conversation, I know. lol I better get back
> to the studio before I cause a riot, but this should be a good place for a
> discussion like this.
>
> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a fine line between the
> two, it is very clear and distinct. And artist or a crafter can take the
> exact same materials, but the mind that works with them is quite different
> and the results are quite different. It's really about "ideas" and
> "concepts" and what we are thinking about as we work, and where we go with
> the materials in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is a
> very fine museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary Crafts - now,
> what is done there, and shown there is high art. So there is crafts and
> there is CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and there is the "Craftsman."
> very distinct differences between them - and as a sculptor you would be
> very aware of this, too.
>
> I was so fortunate to teach in a small private college (Geneva College, in
> western PA) where I was free to teach across disciplines, as I have my
> MFA in painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature. Because of
> this background, I was very marketable for a good position. I was able to
> create multi-discipline courses - alway a combination of literature and
> art, as well as studio courses in painting, fiber arts, printmaking,
> drawing. It was a dream of a job, working in interdisciplinary studies and
> doing so many projects with profs in other disciplines. I was very active
> in conferences on interdisciplinary studies. I created an European
> experience for art and literature students and we lived in Austria every
> summer and then traveled to other countries. I even had an art exhibition
> in Austria for my students every summer. They worked so hard in the
> studio and out on location every day, and at the end of the month they had
> a show - so much fun. I also did this with Puerto Rico, and students came
> to PR with me each spring as part of their course in Puerto Rico Culture -
> which I have continued to visit every March even though I am now retired.
> It bacame how we spent our spring time.
>
> OK, back to my studio where I am working my tail off to get a piece done
> today!
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ann at acunningham.com
> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If someone who is reading this is
> still torn I wouldn't be surprised though since there are all sorts of
> shades in the continuum.
>
>
> I was talking to my daughter and a friend one day. I went off on a
> tangent tangling all sorts of events together rather randomly. They
> started laughing and saying something akin to how do you make it from day
> to day. And I said you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you
> know and follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I
> am paid to break the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already
> been done.
>
>
> What did you teach before you retired? Ann
>
>
> Ann Cunningham
> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the world!
> 303 238 4760
> ann at acunningham.com
> http://www.acunningham.com
> http://www.sensationalbooks.com
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>
> ?
> Hi Laurie,
> So nice to see you here. I did not start this group though, I am like
> you, I just came on to ask a question about something I needed to know and
> was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am furiously
> working right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work done for the
> opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is called
> _Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited vision_
> It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind painter.
> It opens one month from today, and if I stop to think about what else has
> to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but just will keep
> on working on the details. The show will appear at two locations this year
> and will have a video that plays in the gallery with the art works,
> Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will even be teaching in the
> gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts course at Geneva College.
> That is where I taught when I was a professor of fine arts and humanities,
> before I retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical context of my work
> and where the ideas have come from when creating it.
>
> To make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a
> conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day
> before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working on
> every day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago,
> but I am still very much involved in everything but being in the
> classroom.
>
> Here is my response to the question you have asked. The gap between an
> artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some
> basic things may be similar between the two, but most things are very far
> apart philisophically.
>
> Both work with the hands, and both love working with the hands and most
> have done it all their life.
> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the satisfaction
> of the finished product that comes out of it.
>
> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with beginning something
> and knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with no notion of
> where the end will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly
> defined path to the finished product. The artist has only some inklings of
> possible outcomes, but has to find them as she works.
>
> The other very big thing I see as a difference between them is that the
> crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from those
> rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the mature
> artist has learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin in the
> early stages by learning techniques, but eventually with the years of
> working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one day - she
> is free of all rules when making art. Everything can be challenged,
> everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is
> there any other profession in this world where there are no rules? It's
> the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no rules
> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath just to say it. Free,
> free, free, at last!
>
> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where the
> person eventually takes the techniques, I think.
>
> A crafter seldom takes things to a different level but is usually
> content to learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to
> learn something else and does that again with it. The artist can take
> crafts materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and
> then take them far beyond because they will combine their techniques and
> materials with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a
> craft. If you cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by
> learning some techniques, or using craft materials, but then the person
> begins to ask the "what if" questions, and takes lots of risks, failures,
> and bends in the road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a
> "mind set" that is never satisfied with just the learning of something
> new, but one that constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where
> the "end" will be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never
> understand what I have just said and will most likely be huffing and
> puffing and angry with it. An "artist" is standing and applauding what I
> have said. It is that simple, and that complex. The artist thrives on
> change and making new discoveries and each work leads to other querstions
> and more change and more new discoveries.
>
> One can see the difference when you look at work in types of
> environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full of
> things that are basically all the same while the other will have work on
> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and
> each is very happy with where they are. They are different animals, with
> different ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one has
> decided their own path and each one is comfortable with the decision she
> has made.
>
> Lynda
>
> Lynda
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurie Porter
> To: Artists-making-art at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM
> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from wisconsin who
> is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork. I make
> pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads sewn together with
> thread. but most of my work is in making jewlry, but I have always looked
> upon my beadwork as an art form.
>
> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference between an art
> and a craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms of art but are all
> arts considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list
> going as it is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to
> bring blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the
> visual arts.
>
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> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 11:47:54 -0500
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
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> Yes, Jewell, the material does not matter - we can go any way we want to
> with it. It is the ideas we work with that determine what will happen
> along
> the way, plus allowing the medium to lead us - finding that "life of it's
> own" that is there for us - a surprise or two along the way. Your project
> sounds wonderful. Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jewel" <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
>>I absolutely loved this explanation of arts versus crafts. I was also
>> wondering the difference, so this really makes it clear to me. I do
>> polymer clay. While I start with an expectation that it will be some
>> sort of elephant or a horse or whatever, who knows what twists and
>> turns will happen along the way. By the way, I'm currently working on
>> a Harry Potter style house elf holding a tray that can hold business
>> ccards. The house elf is done, but the tray still needs to be
>> finished.
>> Jewel
>>
>> On 2/7/14, Ann at acunningham.com <Ann at acunningham.com> wrote:
>>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If someone who is reading this is
>>> still
>>> torn I wouldn't be surprised though since there are all sorts of shades
>>> in
>>> the continuum.
>>>
>>> I was talking to my daughter and a friend one day. I went off on a
>>> tangent
>>> tangling all sorts of events together rather randomly. They started
>>> laughing
>>> and saying something akin to how do you make it from day to day. And I
>>> said
>>> you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know and follow
>>> rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I am paid to
>>> break
>>> the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already been done.
>>>
>>> What did you teach before you retired? Ann
>>>
>>> Ann Cunningham
>>> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the world!
>>> 303 238 4760
>>> ann at acunningham.com
>>> http://www.acunningham.com
>>> http://www.sensationalbooks.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>>>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
>>>> Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am
>>>> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
>>>> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Laurie,
>>>> So nice to see you here. I did not start this group though, I am like
>>>> you, I just came on to ask a question about something I needed to know
>>>> and
>>>> was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am furiously
>>>> working right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work done for
>>>> the
>>>> opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is called
>>>> _Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited
>>>> vision_ It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally
>>>> blind
>>>> painter. It opens one month from today, and if I stop to think about
>>>> what
>>>> else has to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but
>>>> just
>>>> will keep on working on the details. The show will appear at two
>>>> locations
>>>> this year and will have a video that plays in the gallery with the art
>>>> works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will even be teaching in
>>>> the gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts course at Geneva
>>>> College. That is where I taught when I was a professor of fine arts and
>>>> humanities, before I retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical
>>>> context
>>>> of my work and where the ideas have come from when creating it.
>>>>
>>>> To make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a
>>>> conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day
>>>> before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working
>>>> on
>>>> every day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years
>>>> ago,
>>>> but I am still very much involved in everything but being in the
>>>> classroom.
>>>>
>>>> Here is my response to the question you have asked. The gap between an
>>>> artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some
>>>> basic things may be similar between the two, but most things are very
>>>> far
>>>> apart philisophically.
>>>>
>>>> Both work with the hands, and both love working with the hands and most
>>>> have done it all their life.
>>>> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the satisfaction
>>>> of
>>>> the finished product that comes out of it.
>>>>
>>>> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with beginning something
>>>> and
>>>> knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with no notion of
>>>> where
>>>> the end will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly
>>>> defined
>>>> path to the finished product. The artist has only some inklings of
>>>> possible outcomes, but has to find them as she works.
>>>>
>>>> The other very big thing I see as a difference between them is that the
>>>> crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from those
>>>> rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the
>>>> mature
>>>> artist has learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin in
>>>> the
>>>> early stages by learning techniques, but eventually with the years of
>>>> working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one day
>>>> - she is free of all rules when making art. Everything can be
>>>> challenged,
>>>> everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist.
>>>> Is
>>>> there any other profession in this world where there are no rules? It's
>>>> the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no
>>>> rules
>>>> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath just to say it.
>>>> Free,
>>>> free, free, at last!
>>>>
>>>> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where the
>>>> person
>>>> eventually takes the techniques, I think.
>>>>
>>>> A crafter seldom takes things to a different level but is usually
>>>> content
>>>> to learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to learn
>>>> something else and does that again with it. The artist can take crafts
>>>> materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and then
>>>> take
>>>> them far beyond because they will combine their techniques and
>>>> materials
>>>> with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a craft. If
>>>> you
>>>> cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by learning some
>>>> techniques, or using craft materials, but then the person begins to ask
>>>> the "what if" questions, and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends
>>>> in
>>>> the road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set"
>>>> that
>>>> is never satisfied with just the learning of something new, but one
>>>> that
>>>> constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where the "end" will
>>>> be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never understand what I
>>>> have
>>>> just said and will most likely be huffing and puffing and angry with
>>>> it.
>>>> An "artist" is standing and applauding what I have said. It is that
>>>> simple, and that complex. The artist thrives on change and making new
>>>> discoveries and each work leads to other querstions and more change and
>>>> more new discoveries.
>>>>
>>>> One can see the difference when you look at work in types of
>>>> environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full of
>>>> things that are basically all the same while the other will have work
>>>> on
>>>> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and
>>>> each is very happy with where they are. They are different animals,
>>>> with
>>>> different ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one has
>>>> decided their own path and each one is comfortable with the decision
>>>> she
>>>> has made.
>>>>
>>>> Lynda
>>>>
>>>> Lynda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Laurie Porter
>>>>> To: Artists-making-art at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to introduce myself. I'm a blind person from wisconsin who is
>>>>> a
>>>>> fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork. I make
>>>>> pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads sewn together
>>>>> with
>>>>> thread. but most of my work is in making jewlry, but I have always
>>>>> looked
>>>>> upon my beadwork as an art form.
>>>>>
>>>>> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference between an art and
>>>>> a
>>>>> craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms of art but are all arts
>>>>> considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list
>>>>> going as it is something I've always dreamed of seeing in our efforts
>>>>> to
>>>>> bring blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the
>>>>> visual arts.
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Artists-making-art mailing list
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 13:26:55 -0500
> From: "Patricia C. Estes" <pece03 at gmail.com>
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
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> Hooray for "outrageous and for all of you for taking the time to
> articulate these distinctions.
> I absolutely agree and have been an artist and crafter simultaneously. I
> am back to my art and love the discovery of it-but I will admit, my left
> brain does like rules and instructions-but my Girl Brain is winning! (no
> put down to Boy Brains, just a family joke).
>
> Right on! Right on, Linda!
> pece out
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lynda Lambert
> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Well, this is an outrageous conversation, I know. lol I better get back
> to the studio before I cause a riot, but this should be a good place for a
> discussion like this.
>
> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a fine line between the
> two, it is very clear and distinct. And artist or a crafter can take the
> exact same materials, but the mind that works with them is quite different
> and the results are quite different. It's really about "ideas" and
> "concepts" and what we are thinking about as we work, and where we go with
> the materials in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is a
> very fine museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary Crafts - now,
> what is done there, and shown there is high art. So there is crafts and
> there is CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and there is the "Craftsman."
> very distinct differences between them - and as a sculptor you would be
> very aware of this, too.
>
> I was so fortunate to teach in a small private college (Geneva College,
> in western PA) where I was free to teach across disciplines, as I have my
> MFA in painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature. Because of
> this background, I was very marketable for a good position. I was able to
> create multi-discipline courses - alway a combination of literature and
> art, as well as studio courses in painting, fiber arts, printmaking,
> drawing. It was a dream of a job, working in interdisciplinary studies and
> doing so many projects with profs in other disciplines. I was very active
> in conferences on interdisciplinary studies. I created an European
> experience for art and literature students and we lived in Austria every
> summer and then traveled to other countries. I even had an art exhibition
> in Austria for my students every summer. They worked so hard in the
> studio and out on location every day, and at the end of the month they had
> a show - so much fun. I also did this with Puerto Rico, and students came
> to PR with me each spring as part of their course in Puerto Rico Culture -
> which I have continued to visit every March even though I am now retired.
> It bacame how we spent our spring time.
>
> OK, back to my studio where I am working my tail off to get a piece done
> today!
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ann at acunningham.com
> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If someone who is reading this is
> still torn I wouldn't be surprised though since there are all sorts of
> shades in the continuum.
>
>
> I was talking to my daughter and a friend one day. I went off on a
> tangent tangling all sorts of events together rather randomly. They
> started laughing and saying something akin to how do you make it from day
> to day. And I said you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you
> know and follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I
> am paid to break the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already
> been done.
>
>
> What did you teach before you retired? Ann
>
>
> Ann Cunningham
> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the world!
> 303 238 4760
> ann at acunningham.com
> http://www.acunningham.com
> http://www.sensationalbooks.com
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>
> ?
> Hi Laurie,
> So nice to see you here. I did not start this group though, I am
> like you, I just came on to ask a question about something I needed to
> know and was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am
> furiously working right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work
> done for the opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is
> called _Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited
> vision_ It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind
> painter. It opens one month from today, and if I stop to think about what
> else has to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but just
> will keep on working on the details. The show will appear at two locations
> this year and will have a video that plays in the gallery with the art
> works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will even be teaching in
> the gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts course at Geneva
> College. That is where I taught when I was a professor of fine arts and
> humanities, before I retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical context
> of my work and where the ideas have come from when creating it.
>
> To make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a
> conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day
> before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working on
> every day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago,
> but I am still very much involved in everything but being in the
> classroom.
>
> Here is my response to the question you have asked. The gap between
> an artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some
> basic things may be similar between the two, but most things are very far
> apart philisophically.
>
> Both work with the hands, and both love working with the hands and
> most have done it all their life.
> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the
> satisfaction of the finished product that comes out of it.
>
> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with beginning something
> and knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with no notion of
> where the end will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly
> defined path to the finished product. The artist has only some inklings of
> possible outcomes, but has to find them as she works.
>
> The other very big thing I see as a difference between them is that
> the crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from those
> rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the mature
> artist has learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin in the
> early stages by learning techniques, but eventually with the years of
> working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one day - she
> is free of all rules when making art. Everything can be challenged,
> everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is
> there any other profession in this world where there are no rules? It's
> the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no rules
> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath just to say it. Free,
> free, free, at last!
>
> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where the
> person eventually takes the techniques, I think.
>
> A crafter seldom takes things to a different level but is usually
> content to learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to
> learn something else and does that again with it. The artist can take
> crafts materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and
> then take them far beyond because they will combine their techniques and
> materials with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a
> craft. If you cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by
> learning some techniques, or using craft materials, but then the person
> begins to ask the "what if" questions, and takes lots of risks, failures,
> and bends in the road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a
> "mind set" that is never satisfied with just the learning of something
> new, but one that constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where
> the "end" will be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never
> understand what I have just said and will most likely be huffing and
> puffing and angry with it. An "artist" is standing and applauding what I
> have said. It is that simple, and that complex. The artist thrives on
> change and making new discoveries and each work leads to other querstions
> and more change and more new discoveries.
>
> One can see the difference when you look at work in types of
> environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full of
> things that are basically all the same while the other will have work on
> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and
> each is very happy with where they are. They are different animals, with
> different ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one has
> decided their own path and each one is comfortable with the decision she
> has made.
>
> Lynda
>
> Lynda
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurie Porter
> To: Artists-making-art at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM
> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from wisconsin who
> is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork. I make
> pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads sewn together with
> thread. but most of my work is in making jewlry, but I have always looked
> upon my beadwork as an art form.
>
> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference between an art
> and a craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms of art but are all
> arts considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list
> going as it is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to
> bring blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the
> visual arts.
>
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> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 13:48:48 -0500
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
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> Patricia, I just finished reading the book "The Female Brain" by Luann
> Brizendine, and OH, HOw I wish I had this wonderful information a long
> time ago. Raising my brood of children would have been so much easier if I
> had known these things about the differences between male and female
> brains. And, my goodness, I would have been a much better teacher, too. I
> would have a better understanding of my fellow human beings - but at least
> I do understand a lot more about it now since reading this book. It was so
> enlightening to me and I was telling my husband all about it as we would
> ride along in the truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it is like this
> conversation we are having right now in this truck." This was his insight
> as I was rapidly sharing so much information as he sat quietly
> listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand this conversation here in
> this truck so much better." We laughed.
>
> Of course we are both crafters and artists - one feeds into the other. We
> all begin somewhere - and for me, it begins with my mother taking an
> afternoon to teach me how to do some embroidery stitches and to creat a
> picture on a linen tea towel - I was probably 8 years old. Then, it
> continues on with my precious neighbor taking an hour each morning, one
> summer, to teach me how to read a pattern and how to sew a blouse, skirt,
> and then an entire outfit - I was about 10. We learn from those around us,
> and how lucky we were to have them in our life. What I do today, is an
> homage to those women in my life so long ago. I celebrate them with every
> stitch I make in my art these days. And, I say "thank you" to them for
> giving me the beginnings of who I am today, and who I am becoming with
> each new day and each new idea I work with.
>
> Lynda
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Louann-Brizendine/e/B001H6RZB8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1391798400&sr=1-1
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patricia C. Estes
> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Hooray for "outrageous and for all of you for taking the time to
> articulate these distinctions.
> I absolutely agree and have been an artist and crafter simultaneously. I
> am back to my art and love the discovery of it-but I will admit, my left
> brain does like rules and instructions-but my Girl Brain is winning! (no
> put down to Boy Brains, just a family joke).
>
> Right on! Right on, Linda!
> pece out
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lynda Lambert
> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Well, this is an outrageous conversation, I know. lol I better get
> back to the studio before I cause a riot, but this should be a good place
> for a discussion like this.
>
> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a fine line between
> the two, it is very clear and distinct. And artist or a crafter can take
> the exact same materials, but the mind that works with them is quite
> different and the results are quite different. It's really about "ideas"
> and "concepts" and what we are thinking about as we work, and where we go
> with the materials in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is
> a very fine museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary Crafts -
> now, what is done there, and shown there is high art. So there is crafts
> and there is CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and there is the
> "Craftsman." very distinct differences between them - and as a sculptor
> you would be very aware of this, too.
>
> I was so fortunate to teach in a small private college (Geneva College,
> in western PA) where I was free to teach across disciplines, as I have my
> MFA in painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature. Because of
> this background, I was very marketable for a good position. I was able to
> create multi-discipline courses - alway a combination of literature and
> art, as well as studio courses in painting, fiber arts, printmaking,
> drawing. It was a dream of a job, working in interdisciplinary studies and
> doing so many projects with profs in other disciplines. I was very active
> in conferences on interdisciplinary studies. I created an European
> experience for art and literature students and we lived in Austria every
> summer and then traveled to other countries. I even had an art exhibition
> in Austria for my students every summer. They worked so hard in the
> studio and out on location every day, and at the end of the month they had
> a show - so much fun. I also did this with Puerto Rico, and students came
> to PR with me each spring as part of their course in Puerto Rico Culture -
> which I have continued to visit every March even though I am now retired.
> It bacame how we spent our spring time.
>
> OK, back to my studio where I am working my tail off to get a piece
> done today!
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ann at acunningham.com
> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If someone who is reading this
> is still torn I wouldn't be surprised though since there are all sorts of
> shades in the continuum.
>
>
> I was talking to my daughter and a friend one day. I went off on a
> tangent tangling all sorts of events together rather randomly. They
> started laughing and saying something akin to how do you make it from day
> to day. And I said you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you
> know and follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I
> am paid to break the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already
> been done.
>
>
> What did you teach before you retired? Ann
>
>
> Ann Cunningham
> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the world!
> 303 238 4760
> ann at acunningham.com
> http://www.acunningham.com
> http://www.sensationalbooks.com
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>
> ?
> Hi Laurie,
> So nice to see you here. I did not start this group though, I am
> like you, I just came on to ask a question about something I needed to
> know and was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am
> furiously working right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work
> done for the opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is
> called _Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited
> vision_ It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind
> painter. It opens one month from today, and if I stop to think about what
> else has to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but just
> will keep on working on the details. The show will appear at two locations
> this year and will have a video that plays in the gallery with the art
> works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will even be teaching in
> the gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts course at Geneva
> College. That is where I taught when I was a professor of fine arts and
> humanities, before I retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical context
> of my work and where the ideas have come from when creating it.
>
> To make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a
> conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day
> before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working on
> every day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago,
> but I am still very much involved in everything but being in the
> classroom.
>
> Here is my response to the question you have asked. The gap between
> an artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some
> basic things may be similar between the two, but most things are very far
> apart philisophically.
>
> Both work with the hands, and both love working with the hands and
> most have done it all their life.
> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the
> satisfaction of the finished product that comes out of it.
>
> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with beginning
> something and knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with no
> notion of where the end will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a
> clearly defined path to the finished product. The artist has only some
> inklings of possible outcomes, but has to find them as she works.
>
> The other very big thing I see as a difference between them is that
> the crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from those
> rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the mature
> artist has learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin in the
> early stages by learning techniques, but eventually with the years of
> working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one day - she
> is free of all rules when making art. Everything can be challenged,
> everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is
> there any other profession in this world where there are no rules? It's
> the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no rules
> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath just to say it. Free,
> free, free, at last!
>
> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where the
> person eventually takes the techniques, I think.
>
> A crafter seldom takes things to a different level but is usually
> content to learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to
> learn something else and does that again with it. The artist can take
> crafts materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and
> then take them far beyond because they will combine their techniques and
> materials with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a
> craft. If you cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by
> learning some techniques, or using craft materials, but then the person
> begins to ask the "what if" questions, and takes lots of risks, failures,
> and bends in the road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a
> "mind set" that is never satisfied with just the learning of something
> new, but one that constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where
> the "end" will be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never
> understand what I have just said and will most likely be huffing and
> puffing and angry with it. An "artist" is standing and applauding what I
> have said. It is that simple, and that complex. The artist thrives on
> change and making new discoveries and each work leads to other querstions
> and more change and more new discoveries.
>
> One can see the difference when you look at work in types of
> environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full of
> things that are basically all the same while the other will have work on
> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and
> each is very happy with where they are. They are different animals, with
> different ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one has
> decided their own path and each one is comfortable with the decision she
> has made.
>
> Lynda
>
> Lynda
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurie Porter
> To: Artists-making-art at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM
> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from wisconsin
> who is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork. I
> make pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads sewn together
> with thread. but most of my work is in making jewlry, but I have always
> looked upon my beadwork as an art form.
>
> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference between an
> art and a craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms of art but are
> all arts considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this
> list going as it is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts
> to bring blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the
> visual arts.
>
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> From: "Patricia C. Estes" <pece03 at gmail.com>
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
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> Linda, the brain is so fascinating-or is it the mind?? My first real
> understanding of it (before I studied holistic psychology and energy
> medicine) was when our youngest was caught doing something or other that
> five year olds do, and he burst into tears and managed to blurt out
> emphatically, "My girl brain made me do it!"
> Yes, Luke, I know what you mean! But he didn't go to school, yet, and we
> didn't have a TV...I think he just *knew*.
> Dr. Christian Northrop teaches about the female brain, too. Her example is
> that she and her, then, husband were flying somewhere and she noticed that
> she was reading "Enriching the Mother/Daughter Relationship" and he was
> reading "How to get the most out of your Band Saw."
> To bring art into this, I am sure you are familiar with the book,"Drawing
> on the Right side of the Brain." Pretty fascinating, if one has time to
> complicate one's life by experimenting with drawing things upside down.
> Energetically, if you want to engage both hemispheres, Brain Gym says to
> "think of an X." And to relax the mind, think of two parallel lines.
>
> OK, I'm taking my parallel lines and heading to bed,
> Patty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lynda Lambert
> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Patricia, I just finished reading the book "The Female Brain" by Luann
> Brizendine, and OH, HOw I wish I had this wonderful information a long
> time ago. Raising my brood of children would have been so much easier if I
> had known these things about the differences between male and female
> brains. And, my goodness, I would have been a much better teacher, too. I
> would have a better understanding of my fellow human beings - but at least
> I do understand a lot more about it now since reading this book. It was so
> enlightening to me and I was telling my husband all about it as we would
> ride along in the truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it is like this
> conversation we are having right now in this truck." This was his insight
> as I was rapidly sharing so much information as he sat quietly
> listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand this conversation here in
> this truck so much better." We laughed.
>
> Of course we are both crafters and artists - one feeds into the other. We
> all begin somewhere - and for me, it begins with my mother taking an
> afternoon to teach me how to do some embroidery stitches and to creat a
> picture on a linen tea towel - I was probably 8 years old. Then, it
> continues on with my precious neighbor taking an hour each morning, one
> summer, to teach me how to read a pattern and how to sew a blouse, skirt,
> and then an entire outfit - I was about 10. We learn from those around us,
> and how lucky we were to have them in our life. What I do today, is an
> homage to those women in my life so long ago. I celebrate them with every
> stitch I make in my art these days. And, I say "thank you" to them for
> giving me the beginnings of who I am today, and who I am becoming with
> each new day and each new idea I work with.
>
> Lynda
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Louann-Brizendine/e/B001H6RZB8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1391798400&sr=1-1
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patricia C. Estes
> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Hooray for "outrageous and for all of you for taking the time to
> articulate these distinctions.
> I absolutely agree and have been an artist and crafter simultaneously.
> I am back to my art and love the discovery of it-but I will admit, my left
> brain does like rules and instructions-but my Girl Brain is winning! (no
> put down to Boy Brains, just a family joke).
>
> Right on! Right on, Linda!
> pece out
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lynda Lambert
> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Well, this is an outrageous conversation, I know. lol I better get
> back to the studio before I cause a riot, but this should be a good place
> for a discussion like this.
>
> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a fine line between
> the two, it is very clear and distinct. And artist or a crafter can take
> the exact same materials, but the mind that works with them is quite
> different and the results are quite different. It's really about "ideas"
> and "concepts" and what we are thinking about as we work, and where we go
> with the materials in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is
> a very fine museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary Crafts -
> now, what is done there, and shown there is high art. So there is crafts
> and there is CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and there is the
> "Craftsman." very distinct differences between them - and as a sculptor
> you would be very aware of this, too.
>
> I was so fortunate to teach in a small private college (Geneva
> College, in western PA) where I was free to teach across disciplines, as
> I have my MFA in painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature.
> Because of this background, I was very marketable for a good position. I
> was able to create multi-discipline courses - alway a combination of
> literature and art, as well as studio courses in painting, fiber arts,
> printmaking, drawing. It was a dream of a job, working in
> interdisciplinary studies and doing so many projects with profs in other
> disciplines. I was very active in conferences on interdisciplinary
> studies. I created an European experience for art and literature
> students and we lived in Austria every summer and then traveled to other
> countries. I even had an art exhibition in Austria for my students every
> summer. They worked so hard in the studio and out on location every day,
> and at the end of the month they had a show - so much fun. I also did
> this with Puerto Rico, and students came to PR with me each spring as part
> of their course in Puerto Rico Culture - which I have continued to visit
> every March even though I am now retired. It bacame how we spent our
> spring time.
>
> OK, back to my studio where I am working my tail off to get a piece
> done today!
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ann at acunningham.com
> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If someone who is reading this
> is still torn I wouldn't be surprised though since there are all sorts of
> shades in the continuum.
>
>
> I was talking to my daughter and a friend one day. I went off on a
> tangent tangling all sorts of events together rather randomly. They
> started laughing and saying something akin to how do you make it from day
> to day. And I said you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you
> know and follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I
> am paid to break the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already
> been done.
>
>
> What did you teach before you retired? Ann
>
>
> Ann Cunningham
> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the world!
> 303 238 4760
> ann at acunningham.com
> http://www.acunningham.com
> http://www.sensationalbooks.com
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
> From: "Lynda Lambert" <llambert at zoominternet.net>
> Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am
> To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"
> <artists-making-art at nfbnet.org>
>
> ?
> Hi Laurie,
> So nice to see you here. I did not start this group though, I am
> like you, I just came on to ask a question about something I needed to
> know and was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am
> furiously working right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work
> done for the opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is
> called _Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited
> vision_ It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind
> painter. It opens one month from today, and if I stop to think about what
> else has to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but just
> will keep on working on the details. The show will appear at two locations
> this year and will have a video that plays in the gallery with the art
> works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will even be teaching in
> the gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts course at Geneva
> College. That is where I taught when I was a professor of fine arts and
> humanities, before I retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical context
> of my work and where the ideas have come from when creating it.
>
> To make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a
> conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day
> before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working on
> every day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago,
> but I am still very much involved in everything but being in the
> classroom.
>
> Here is my response to the question you have asked. The gap
> between an artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that
> wide. Some basic things may be similar between the two, but most things
> are very far apart philisophically.
>
> Both work with the hands, and both love working with the hands
> and most have done it all their life.
> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the
> satisfaction of the finished product that comes out of it.
>
> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with beginning
> something and knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with no
> notion of where the end will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a
> clearly defined path to the finished product. The artist has only some
> inklings of possible outcomes, but has to find them as she works.
>
> The other very big thing I see as a difference between them is
> that the crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from
> those rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the
> mature artist has learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin
> in the early stages by learning techniques, but eventually with the years
> of working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one day -
> she is free of all rules when making art. Everything can be challenged,
> everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is
> there any other profession in this world where there are no rules? It's
> the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no rules
> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath just to say it. Free,
> free, free, at last!
>
> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where
> the person eventually takes the techniques, I think.
>
> A crafter seldom takes things to a different level but is usually
> content to learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to
> learn something else and does that again with it. The artist can take
> crafts materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and
> then take them far beyond because they will combine their techniques and
> materials with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a
> craft. If you cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by
> learning some techniques, or using craft materials, but then the person
> begins to ask the "what if" questions, and takes lots of risks, failures,
> and bends in the road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a
> "mind set" that is never satisfied with just the learning of something
> new, but one that constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where
> the "end" will be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never
> understand what I have just said and will most likely be huffing and
> puffing and angry with it. An "artist" is standing and applauding what I
> have said. It is that simple, and that complex. The artist thrives on
> change and making new discoveries and each work leads to other querstions
> and more change and more new discoveries.
>
> One can see the difference when you look at work in types of
> environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full of
> things that are basically all the same while the other will have work on
> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and
> each is very happy with where they are. They are different animals, with
> different ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one has
> decided their own path and each one is comfortable with the decision she
> has made.
>
> Lynda
>
> Lynda
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurie Porter
> To: Artists-making-art at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM
> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member
>
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from wisconsin
> who is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork. I
> make pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads sewn together
> with thread. but most of my work is in making jewlry, but I have always
> looked upon my beadwork as an art form.
>
> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference between an
> art and a craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms of art but are
> all arts considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this
> list going as it is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts
> to bring blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the
> visual arts.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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