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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Patricia, you bring up the most fascinating things.
This is another one of those things that is so enjoyable to think about.
Drawing! We do not need sight to draw, I am absolutely sure of that. In
fact, in many of my drawing courses, I had students draw blindfolded. They had
to feel the objects, then return to the easel to do their drawings. They could
walk over to feel it as often as they liked during the process, but they were
not permitted to have a physical "look" at it with the eyes. The drawings they
made were astounding - so full of livingness and so magical. You are making me
remember those things that I had not thought of for a very long time - and this
is great for me because I am going to be a speaker at a conference on
disabilities and inclusion in March, and this is exactly what I needed to be
thinking about as I prep for that lecture. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>If anyone else has some examples of experiences for
me, that I could share with the audience, please let me know. I want to
really make my audience understand that blind people have the same passions for
art and art making as anyone else. We just have to learn adaptive ways of
working, but we can do it, and we love to do it and it brings us great
joy. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>yes, I used Drawing From the Right Side of the
Brain as a textbook for Drawing courses at the college! I also used "The Natural
Way to Draw" by Nicolaides. I have worked my way through both of these
books for years on end. Drawing is the core of everything we do as artists and
without a good foundation in drawing, it's difficult to move on - it is the
structure on which we build everything else no matter the medium we work with.
Drawing puts us in touch with the internal dialogue and we become more aware and
connected with the object we are drawing. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>The interesting thing about drawing, to me, has
always been that all children seem to know how to draw by instinct. How does
that "fit" in your experience, Patricia? I have never encountered a child
who did not know how to draw and make pictures - I have always thought we are
born with these abilities. I think a child born blind would have this same
inclination, if provided with the tools and opportunities early on, but that is
a guess on my part. I would love to know more about this by someone who has had
the experience as a very small child without sight. Drawing is more, far
more, than the thing that is left on the page after the person has made it. It
is a whole body experience - physical and spiritual experience, in my
experiences. So, it seems to me that no sight is needed to make
drawings. I like to say, about my own work, that the "thing that is on
display on the gallery wall is the residue left behind as I was making
art." It is not the art itself, it is the tracks that show I was
there. The art was what transpired within me as I worked on it and the
piece in the gallery is the evidence that I was there.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>I have to say that without my extensive drawing
background, I would not be who I am today as a blind person. I have a small
amount of peripheral vision that is enough that I can detect movement. Those
movements are "gestures" and it is through the gestures around me that I
navigate the world and that I identify people and things. It is the essence of
everything - gesture. When I am making my art these days, it is because I am
accustomed to using gesture and can continue to do that without sight.
Touch is gesture, and that is how I understand what I touch. I feel it's
internal and external gesture.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>OH, that is so funny about your 5 year old's
comment about using his "girl brain." This is what I found so fascinating
when I was reading this book, that the entire structure of the brain is very
different in males and females. Each individual part of the brain is different
between the sexes - so it is a physical as well as psychological difference. She
explored many different nuances that really helped me as a blind person as well,
as I was reading. It gave me new insight into different aspects we encounter due
to sight loss. I would highly recommend it to anyone who has interest in
learning more about how the brain functions, and it is explored in a way that a
non-science person like me coulnd understand and enjoy.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>This is all certainly another aspect of
the discussion on difference between art and crafts thought process and
ways of "seeing." Lynda</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 07, 2014 8:54
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<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4>Linda, the brain is so fascinating-or is it the
mind?? My first real understanding of it (before I studied holistic psychology
and energy medicine) was when our youngest was caught doing something or other
that five year olds do, and he burst into tears and managed to blurt out
emphatically, "My girl brain made me do it!"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4>Yes, Luke, I know what you mean! But he didn't
go to school, yet, and we didn't have a TV...I think he just
*knew*.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4>Dr. Christian Northrop teaches about the female
brain, too. Her example is that she and her, then, husband were flying
somewhere and she noticed that she was reading "Enriching the Mother/Daughter
Relationship" and he was reading "How to get the most out of your Band
Saw."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4>To bring art into this, I am sure you are
familiar with the book,"Drawing on the Right side of the Brain." Pretty
fascinating, if one has time to complicate one's life by experimenting with
drawing things upside down.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4>Energetically, if you want to engage both
hemispheres, Brain Gym says to "think of an X." And to relax the mind, think
of two parallel lines.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4>OK, I'm taking my parallel lines and heading to
bed,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4>Patty</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 07, 2014 1:48
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Patricia, I just finished reading the book "The
Female Brain" by Luann Brizendine, and OH, HOw I wish I had this wonderful
information a long time ago. Raising my brood of children would have been so
much easier if I had known these things about the differences between male
and female brains. And, my goodness, I would have been a much better
teacher, too. I would have a better understanding of my fellow human beings
- but at least I do understand a lot more about it now since reading this
book. It was so enlightening to me and I was telling my husband all about it
as we would ride along in the truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it is
like this conversation we are having right now in this truck." This
was his insight as I was rapidly sharing so much information as he sat
quietly listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand this
conversation here in this truck so much better." We
laughed.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Of course we are both crafters and artists -
one feeds into the other. We all begin somewhere - and for me, it begins
with my mother taking an afternoon to teach me how to do some embroidery
stitches and to creat a picture on a linen tea towel - I was probably 8
years old. Then, it continues on with my precious neighbor taking an hour
each morning, one summer, to teach me how to read a pattern and how to sew a
blouse, skirt, and then an entire outfit - I was about 10. We learn from
those around us, and how lucky we were to have them in our life. What I do
today, is an homage to those women in my life so long ago. I celebrate them
with every stitch I make in my art these days. And, I say "thank
you" to them for giving me the beginnings of who I am today, and who I am
becoming with each new day and each new idea I work with.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Lynda</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4><A
href="http://www.amazon.com/Louann-Brizendine/e/B001H6RZB8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1391798400&sr=1-1">http://www.amazon.com/Louann-Brizendine/e/B001H6RZB8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1391798400&sr=1-1</A></FONT></DIV>
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Estes</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=artists-making-art@nfbnet.org
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for blind persons</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4>Hooray for "outrageous and for all of you
for taking the time to articulate these distinctions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4>I absolutely agree and have been an artist
and crafter simultaneously. I am back to my art and love the discovery of
it-but I will admit, my left brain does like rules and instructions-but my
Girl Brain is winning! (no put down to Boy Brains, just a family
joke).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4>Right on! Right on, Linda!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia size=4>pece out</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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for blind persons</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 07, 2014
11:44 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Well, this is an outrageous conversation, I
know. lol I better get back to the studio before I cause a
riot, but this should be a good place for a discussion like
this.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>That is great, Ann! So true. There is
really not a fine line between the two, it is very clear and distinct.
And artist or a crafter can take the exact same materials, but the mind
that works with them is quite different and the results are quite
different. It's really about "ideas" and "concepts" and what we are
thinking about as we work, and where we go with the materials in our
process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is a very fine
museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary Crafts - now, what is
done there, and shown there is high art. So there is crafts and there is
CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and there is the
"Craftsman." very distinct differences between them - and as a
sculptor you would be very aware of this, too.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>I was so fortunate to teach in a small
private college (Geneva College, in western PA) where I was free
to teach across disciplines, as I have my MFA in painting/printmaking,
and my MA in English Literature. Because of this background, I was
very marketable for a good position. I was able to create
multi-discipline courses - alway a combination of literature and art, as
well as studio courses in painting, fiber arts, printmaking, drawing. It
was a dream of a job, working in interdisciplinary studies and doing so
many projects with profs in other disciplines. I was very active
in conferences on interdisciplinary studies. I created an
European experience for art and literature students and we lived in
Austria every summer and then traveled to other countries. I even had an
art exhibition in Austria for my students every summer. They
worked so hard in the studio and out on location every day, and at the
end of the month they had a show - so much fun. I also did this
with Puerto Rico, and students came to PR with me each spring as part of
their course in Puerto Rico Culture - which I have continued to visit
every March even though I am now retired. It bacame how we spent our
spring time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>OK, back to my studio where I am working my
tail off to get a piece done today! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Lynda</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If someone who is reading
this is still torn I wouldn't be surprised though since there are all
sorts of shades in the continuum. </DIV>
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<DIV>I was talking to my daughter and a friend one day. I went off on
a tangent tangling all sorts of events together rather randomly. They
started laughing and saying something akin to how do you make it from
day to day. And I said you guys are pilots and for you to be a good
pilot you know and follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am
an artist and I am paid to break the rules. No one wants to hear from
me if it has already been done.</DIV>
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<DIV>What did you teach before you retired? Ann</DIV>
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Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>To: "An exploration of art by and
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Hi Laurie, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>So nice to see you here. I did
not start this group though, I am like you, I just came on to ask a
question about something I needed to know and was so glad to meet
Ann who helped me with my question. I am furiously working
right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work done for the
opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is called
_Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not
limited vision_ It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber works,
and a legally blind painter. It opens one month from today, and if I
stop to think about what else has to be done yet, I'll get nervous.
So, I won't do that, but just will keep on working on the details.
The show will appear at two locations this year and will have a
video that plays in the gallery with the art works, Braille
labeling, and artist's talks. I will even be teaching in the gallery
one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts course at Geneva College.
That is where I taught when I was a professor of fine arts and
humanities, before I retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical
context of my work and where the ideas have come from when creating
it. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>To make matters even more difficult, I
am scheduled to speak at a conference at Slippery Rock University of
PA for two sessions, the day before we hang our show. So, I have
those presentations to be working on every day now, too. I
officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago, but I am still
very much involved in everything but being in the
classroom.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Here is my response to the question you
have asked. The gap between an artist and a crafter is like crossing
the ocean, it is that wide. Some basic things may be similar between
the two, but most things are very far apart
philisophically.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Both work with the hands, and both love
working with the hands and most have done it all their life.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Both love the materials, and the
handling of them, and the satisfaction of the finished product that
comes out of it. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>While the crafter will usually be
satisfied with beginning something and knowing where the end will
be, the artist begins with no notion of where the end will be or
even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly defined path to
the finished product. The artist has only some inklings of possible
outcomes, but has to find them as she works.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>The other very big thing I see as a
difference between them is that the crafter has 'rules" to follow
and seldom will ever deviate from those rules, as they are set in
stone in her mind. On the other hand, the mature artist has
learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin in the
early stages by learning techniques, but eventually with the years
of working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one
day - she is free of all rules when making art. Everything
can be challenged, everything can be changed, and everything is fair
game, for the artist. Is there any other profession in this world
where there are no rules? It's the most exhilerating feeling to know
that there are absolutely no rules whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me
take a deep breath just to say it. Free, free, free, at last!
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Laurie, the biggest difference between
art and a craft is where the person eventually takes the techniques,
I think. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>A crafter seldom takes things to a
different level but is usually content to learn something then
duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to learn something else and
does that again with it. The artist can take crafts materials (which
is what you and I both do) and techniques, and then take them far
beyond because they will combine their techniques and materials with
the imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a craft.
If you cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by
learning some techniques, or using craft materials, but then the
person begins to ask the "what if" questions, and takes lots of
risks, failures, and bends in the road on the way to it becoming a
work of art. It is a "mind set" that is never satisfied with just
the learning of something new, but one that constantly questions,
experiments, and never knows where the "end" will be, or even if it
will be. A "crafter" will never understand what I have just
said and will most likely be huffing and puffing and angry with it.
An "artist" is standing and applauding what I have said. It is
that simple, and that complex. The artist thrives on change
and making new discoveries and each work leads to other querstions
and more change and more new discoveries. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>One can see the difference when you
look at work in types of environments. One will be setting at
a craft show with a table full of things that are basically all the
same while the other will have work on display in a gallery or
museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and each is very
happy with where they are. They are different animals, with
different ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one
has decided their own path and each one is comfortable with the
decision she has made.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Lynda</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Lynda</FONT></DIV>
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target=_blank>Laurie Porter</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 06,
2014 7:26 PM</DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Folks:</DIV>
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<DIV>I’d like to introduce myself. I’m a blind person from
wisconsin who is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my
medium is beadwork. I make pictures and tapestries out of tiny
little seed beads sewn together with thread. but most of my
work is in making jewlry, but I have always looked upon my
beadwork as an art form. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>so, I have a basic question. What is the difference between
an art and a craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms of
art but are all arts considered crafts? Thanks linda and all
of you for getting this list going as it is something I’ve always
dreamed of seeing in our efforts to bring blind people together
who love to both create and appreciate the visual
arts. </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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