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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Ann, this is so interesting to me!
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>I am creating a handout for my audience when I
deliver the two conference presentations in March. I would love to include your
information on the drawing boards with link to it, if that would be ok with
you. I will be speaking to a general academic audience at the university,
students, and of course art majors and art profs. who could greatly profit from
this information. May I do this with your permission? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>I have been working on my presentations every day,
developing them and this is something that is breaking ground for me, as well,
as I have never done an academic presentation since my sight loss. Prior to
that, I lectured regularly in the university in Humanities, English Literature,
Communications, and taught studio art courses. I thought I would never again be
capable of doing such presentations - and I am awake at night thinking about
what I am about to do - worrying about details, etc. This will be the
first time I have ever lectured from my memory, with just a few stepping-stone
notes from my Milestone. Normally, I did power point presentations, and I
am going to re-learn how to do this again, as I know I will be doing more
presentations in the future. I want to begin preparing for it. I do not read
Braille, as I chose to concentrate on doing my art and put all my efforts into
that, rather than into learning Braille which would have taken me away
from the studio and I am not willing to ever give up studio time for any reason.
Day by day, I am honing in on my presentation and I know I will be fully
prepared and confident when the day arrives, March 4th, and I am speaking to my
audience. I have always loved lecturing and doing academic presentations at
academic conferences - so even though I am a bit nervous about it, I am very
excited to be back to what I love to do once again. My next goal, after I
get through this, is to relearn how to do power point presentations again and to
begin to develop them. Little by little, step by step, we go
forward.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Your drawing classes make se so excited because I
know that drawing is the core of everything - absolutely everything. Thank
God for Betty Edwards! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Lynda</FONT></DIV>
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the Colorado Center for the Blind, we have focused on drawing for the last
year. That does not mean that anyone has had a year of instruction but that
everyone in the program now graduates with 12 hours of drawing along with all
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student finish up his forth week of instruction, each class is three hours,
this Friday. It was remarkable to see what he was able to achieve in that
short amount of time. He has been blind since birth and had never drawn before
and by the end he was drawing images of people in earth houses from his
research and experimentation with symbols. Canes getting stuck in snow from
experience and an explanation of snow crystals. German Shepard and panda
bears, from models. And a Camero car from his own experience and a sketch I
made for him that he studied and then used for his interpretation. He derived
a lot of joy from drawing and clearly found that this is an expressive art
form that is a great match for him.</DIV>
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use the Sensational BlackBoard to create their raised line drawings. Complete
disclosure, I make and sell these raised line drawing boards because I needed
them for our classes. They are designed to use regular copy paper, a penny
apiece, but you can use the plastic papers if you like, about 25 cents a
sheet. I like to use 100% cotton vellum, it is a little more expensive around
7 cents a sheet, but it is so smooth and fluid to draw on I think it is the
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as well Approximate Persepctive™</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">a method
of organizing perspective pictures that has developed over the years at the
Center, since 1999. The expressing emotions classes were inspired by Dr. Betty
Edward's book Drawing on the Artist Within. The perspective concepts are all
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<DIV id=wmQuoteWrapper>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] Artists-making-art Digest, Vol 16,<BR>Issue 6<BR>From:
"Lynda Lambert" <<A
href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net">llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>Date:
Sat, February 08, 2014 5:03 pm<BR>To: "An exploration of art by and for
blind persons"<BR><<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org">artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR><BR>As
a drawing teacher, I understood that if my sighted students did not
<BR>understand the object they were drawing by using all their senses, then
they <BR>did not understand that thing at all. Because the sense of sight is
so <BR>powerful and takes over all the other senses, a sighted person just
takes a <BR>very quick glance at things and THINKS she understands it and
she does not <BR>at all. The drawing will be merely superficial and will not
show the <BR>nuances of it, as it is in space, it's weight, etc. When
blindfolded, the <BR>student begins to understand the object on deeper
levels of understanding. <BR>What happens is that by relying only on sight,
the student cannot really SEE <BR>a thing at all - but they think they can.
So blindfolding the student had <BR>nothing to do with how a blind person
experiences the thing, it had to do <BR>with really SEEING the thing. Seeing
is something that is experienced over a <BR>very long period of time - it
required that the person slow way down, and <BR>focus on the moment in time
as they touch the object - and they are at the <BR>same time, learning how
it really looks. Sight alone cannot do this for us. <BR>This is very
interesting to me because I had never been around a blind person <BR>in my
life, with the exception of two different people whom I had only very
<BR>limited time with. I would not have made the connection between sight
loss <BR>and the drawing experience at that time at all. Only in hind sight,
after <BR>my own sight loss, can I truly understand how important these
lessons were.<BR><BR>Lynda<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Laurie
Porter" <<A
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<<A
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Saturday, February 08, 2014 6:40 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art]
Artists-making-art Digest, Vol 16, Issue 6<BR><BR><BR>> The idea that all
children blind or sighted can draw pictures fascinates <BR>> me. I was
legally blind all my life until 2003 when I lost all my sight. <BR>> both
of my parents were blind, and I recall them never knowing how to <BR>>
draw anything However, fundimentally all children, blind or sighted learn
<BR>> basics like drawing a circle or square then later other shapes. I
might <BR>> have been a better drawer if I had access to tactual shapes.
I was <BR>> encouraged to use my vision to do everything but my parents
lacked the <BR>> ability to teach me how to process things visually which
comes to all <BR>> children at a very early age. this is a very
interesting <BR>> sight, -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:artists-making-art-request@nfbnet.org">artists-making-art-request@nfbnet.org</A><BR>>
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 2:03 PM<BR>> To: <A
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Today's Topics:<BR>><BR>> 1. Re: drawing the internal dialogue (Lynda
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Creations)<BR>> 3. Re: drawing the internal dialogue (Patricia C.
Estes)<BR>> 4. Re: Artists-making-art Digest, Vol 16, Issue 5 (Laurie
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Message: 1<BR>> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 08:56:25 -0500<BR>> From: "Lynda
Lambert" <<A
href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net">llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>>
To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org">artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>>
Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] drawing the internal dialogue<BR>>
Message-ID: <2E945A7FA30F4110A726835349F4841D@Lambert><BR>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Patricia, you
bring up the most fascinating things. This is another one of <BR>> those
things that is so enjoyable to think about. Drawing! We do not need <BR>>
sight to draw, I am absolutely sure of that. In fact, in many of my <BR>>
drawing courses, I had students draw blindfolded. They had to feel the
<BR>> objects, then return to the easel to do their drawings. They could
walk <BR>> over to feel it as often as they liked during the process, but
they were <BR>> not permitted to have a physical "look" at it with the
eyes. The drawings <BR>> they made were astounding - so full of
livingness and so magical. You are <BR>> making me remember those things
that I had not thought of for a very long <BR>> time - and this is great
for me because I am going to be a speaker at a <BR>> conference on
disabilities and inclusion in March, and this is exactly <BR>> what I
needed to be thinking about as I prep for that lecture.<BR>><BR>> If
anyone else has some examples of experiences for me, that I could share
<BR>> with the audience, please let me know. I want to really make my
audience <BR>> understand that blind people have the same passions for
art and art making <BR>> as anyone else. We just have to learn adaptive
ways of working, but we can <BR>> do it, and we love to do it and it
brings us great joy.<BR>><BR>> yes, I used Drawing From the Right Side
of the Brain as a textbook for <BR>> Drawing courses at the college! I
also used "The Natural Way to Draw" by <BR>> Nicolaides. I have worked my
way through both of these books for years on <BR>> end. Drawing is the
core of everything we do as artists and without a good <BR>> foundation
in drawing, it's difficult to move on - it is the structure on <BR>>
which we build everything else no matter the medium we work with. Drawing
<BR>> puts us in touch with the internal dialogue and we become more
aware and <BR>> connected with the object we are drawing.<BR>><BR>>
The interesting thing about drawing, to me, has always been that all
<BR>> children seem to know how to draw by instinct. How does that "fit"
in your <BR>> experience, Patricia? I have never encountered a child who
did not know <BR>> how to draw and make pictures - I have always thought
we are born with <BR>> these abilities. I think a child born blind would
have this same <BR>> inclination, if provided with the tools and
opportunities early on, but <BR>> that is a guess on my part. I would
love to know more about this by <BR>> someone who has had the experience
as a very small child without sight. <BR>> Drawing is more, far more,
than the thing that is left on the page after <BR>> the person has made
it. It is a whole body experience - physical and <BR>> spiritual
experience, in my experiences. So, it seems to me that no sight <BR>> is
needed to make drawings. I like to say, about my own work, that the <BR>>
"thing that is on display on the gallery wall is the residue left behind
<BR>> as I was making art." It is not the art itself, it is the tracks
that <BR>> show I was there. The art was what transpired within me as I
worked on it <BR>> and the piece in the gallery is the evidence that I
was there.<BR>><BR>> I have to say that without my extensive drawing
background, I would not be <BR>> who I am today as a blind person. I have
a small amount of peripheral <BR>> vision that is enough that I can
detect movement. Those movements are <BR>> "gestures" and it is through
the gestures around me that I navigate the <BR>> world and that I
identify people and things. It is the essence of <BR>> everything -
gesture. When I am making my art these days, it is because I <BR>> am
accustomed to using gesture and can continue to do that without sight.
<BR>> Touch is gesture, and that is how I understand what I touch. I feel
it's <BR>> internal and external gesture.<BR>><BR>> OH, that is so
funny about your 5 year old's comment about using his "girl <BR>> brain."
This is what I found so fascinating when I was reading this book, <BR>>
that the entire structure of the brain is very different in males and
<BR>> females. Each individual part of the brain is different between the
<BR>> sexes - so it is a physical as well as psychological difference.
She <BR>> explored many different nuances that really helped me as a
blind person as <BR>> well, as I was reading. It gave me new insight into
different aspects we <BR>> encounter due to sight loss. I would highly
recommend it to anyone who has <BR>> interest in learning more about how
the brain functions, and it is <BR>> explored in a way that a non-science
person like me coulnd understand and <BR>> enjoy.<BR>><BR>> This is
all certainly another aspect of the discussion on difference <BR>>
between art and crafts thought process and ways of "seeing." Lynda<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 8:54 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Linda, the brain is so fascinating-or is
it the mind?? My first real <BR>> understanding of it (before I studied
holistic psychology and energy <BR>> medicine) was when our youngest was
caught doing something or other that <BR>> five year olds do, and he
burst into tears and managed to blurt out <BR>> emphatically, "My girl
brain made me do it!"<BR>> Yes, Luke, I know what you mean! But he didn't
go to school, yet, and we <BR>> didn't have a TV...I think he just
*knew*.<BR>> Dr. Christian Northrop teaches about the female brain, too.
Her example <BR>> is that she and her, then, husband were flying
somewhere and she noticed <BR>> that she was reading "Enriching the
Mother/Daughter Relationship" and he <BR>> was reading "How to get the
most out of your Band Saw."<BR>> To bring art into this, I am sure you
are familiar with the book,"Drawing <BR>> on the Right side of the
Brain." Pretty fascinating, if one has time to <BR>> complicate one's
life by experimenting with drawing things upside down.<BR>>
Energetically, if you want to engage both hemispheres, Brain Gym says to
<BR>> "think of an X." And to relax the mind, think of two parallel
lines.<BR>><BR>> OK, I'm taking my parallel lines and heading to
bed,<BR>> Patty<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda
Lambert<BR>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:48 PM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>>
Patricia, I just finished reading the book "The Female Brain" by Luann
<BR>> Brizendine, and OH, HOw I wish I had this wonderful information a
long <BR>> time ago. Raising my brood of children would have been so much
easier if I <BR>> had known these things about the differences between
male and female <BR>> brains. And, my goodness, I would have been a much
better teacher, too. I <BR>> would have a better understanding of my
fellow human beings - but at least <BR>> I do understand a lot more about
it now since reading this book. It was so <BR>> enlightening to me and I
was telling my husband all about it as we would <BR>> ride along in the
truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it is like this <BR>> conversation
we are having right now in this truck." This was his insight <BR>> as I
was rapidly sharing so much information as he sat quietly <BR>>
listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand this conversation here in
<BR>> this truck so much better." We laughed.<BR>><BR>> Of course
we are both crafters and artists - one feeds into the other. <BR>> We all
begin somewhere - and for me, it begins with my mother taking an <BR>>
afternoon to teach me how to do some embroidery stitches and to creat a
<BR>> picture on a linen tea towel - I was probably 8 years old. Then, it
<BR>> continues on with my precious neighbor taking an hour each morning,
one <BR>> summer, to teach me how to read a pattern and how to sew a
blouse, skirt, <BR>> and then an entire outfit - I was about 10. We learn
from those around us, <BR>> and how lucky we were to have them in our
life. What I do today, is an <BR>> homage to those women in my life so
long ago. I celebrate them with every <BR>> stitch I make in my art these
days. And, I say "thank you" to them for <BR>> giving me the beginnings
of who I am today, and who I am becoming with <BR>> each new day and each
new idea I work with.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>> <BR>> <A
href="http://www.amazon.com/Louann-Brizendine/e/B001H6RZB8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1391798400&sr=1-1">http://www.amazon.com/Louann-Brizendine/e/B001H6RZB8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1391798400&sr=1-1</A><BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 1:26 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hooray for "outrageous and for all of you
for taking the time to <BR>> articulate these distinctions.<BR>> I
absolutely agree and have been an artist and crafter <BR>>
simultaneously. I am back to my art and love the discovery of it-but I
<BR>> will admit, my left brain does like rules and instructions-but my
Girl <BR>> Brain is winning! (no put down to Boy Brains, just a family
joke).<BR>><BR>> Right on! Right on, Linda!<BR>> pece out<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 11:44 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous conversation,
I know. lol I better <BR>> get back to the studio before I cause a riot,
but this should be a good <BR>> place for a discussion like
this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a
fine line <BR>> between the two, it is very clear and distinct. And
artist or a crafter <BR>> can take the exact same materials, but the mind
that works with them is <BR>> quite different and the results are quite
different. It's really about <BR>> "ideas" and "concepts" and what we are
thinking about as we work, and <BR>> where we go with the materials in
our process of working. In Pittsburgh, <BR>> PA there is a very fine
museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary <BR>> Crafts - now,
what is done there, and shown there is high art. So there is <BR>> crafts
and there is CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and there is the <BR>>
"Craftsman." very distinct differences between them - and as a sculptor
<BR>> you would be very aware of this, too.<BR>><BR>> I was so
fortunate to teach in a small private college (Geneva <BR>> College, in
western PA) where I was free to teach across disciplines, as <BR>> I have
my MFA in painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature. <BR>>
Because of this background, I was very marketable for a good position. I
<BR>> was able to create multi-discipline courses - alway a combination
of <BR>> literature and art, as well as studio courses in painting, fiber
arts, <BR>> printmaking, drawing. It was a dream of a job, working in
<BR>> interdisciplinary studies and doing so many projects with profs in
other <BR>> disciplines. I was very active in conferences on
interdisciplinary <BR>> studies. I created an European experience for art
and literature <BR>> students and we lived in Austria every summer and
then traveled to other <BR>> countries. I even had an art exhibition in
Austria for my students every <BR>> summer. They worked so hard in the
studio and out on location every day, <BR>> and at the end of the month
they had a show - so much fun. I also did <BR>> this with Puerto Rico,
and students came to PR with me each spring as part <BR>> of their course
in Puerto Rico Culture - which I have continued to visit <BR>> every
March even though I am now retired. It bacame how we spent our <BR>>
spring time.<BR>><BR>> OK, back to my studio where I am working my
tail off to get a piece <BR>> done today!<BR>> Lynda<BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com">Ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 9:08 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading <BR>> this is still torn I wouldn't be surprised
though since there are all <BR>> sorts of shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a friend
one day. I went off on <BR>> a tangent tangling all sorts of events
together rather randomly. They <BR>> started laughing and saying
something akin to how do you make it from day <BR>> to day. And I said
you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you <BR>> know and
follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I <BR>>
am paid to break the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already
<BR>> been done.<BR>><BR>><BR>> What did you teach before you
retired? Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann Cunningham<BR>> Tactile Art - a
creative way to see the world!<BR>> 303 238 4760<BR>> <A
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arts or crafts new member<BR>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <<A
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Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by
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?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start this
group though, I <BR>> am like you, I just came on to ask a question about
something I needed to <BR>> know and was so glad to meet Ann who helped
me with my question. I am <BR>> furiously working right now (oops, split
that infinitive!) getting work <BR>> done for the opening of a two-person
exhibition at a museum - the show is <BR>> called _Vision and Revision:
Two artists with limited sight, not limited <BR>> vision_ It is my
pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind <BR>> painter.
It opens one month from today, and if I stop to think about what <BR>>
else has to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but just
<BR>> will keep on working on the details. The show will appear at two
locations <BR>> this year and will have a video that plays in the gallery
with the art <BR>> works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will
even be teaching in <BR>> the gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the
Arts course at Geneva <BR>> College. That is where I taught when I was a
professor of fine arts and <BR>> humanities, before I retired. I'll be
lecturing on the historical context <BR>> of my work and where the ideas
have come from when creating it.<BR>><BR>> To make matters even more
difficult, I am scheduled to speak at <BR>> a conference at Slippery Rock
University of PA for two sessions, the day <BR>> before we hang our show.
So, I have those presentations to be working on <BR>> every day now, too.
I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago, <BR>> but I am still
very much involved in everything but being in the <BR>>
classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here is my response to the question you have
asked. The gap <BR>> between an artist and a crafter is like crossing the
ocean, it is that <BR>> wide. Some basic things may be similar between
the two, but most things <BR>> are very far apart
philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both work with the hands, and both love
working with the hands <BR>> and most have done it all their
life.<BR>> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the
<BR>> satisfaction of the finished product that comes out of
it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with
beginning <BR>> something and knowing where the end will be, the artist
begins with no <BR>> notion of where the end will be or even if it will
be. the crafter has a <BR>> clearly defined path to the finished product.
The artist has only some <BR>> inklings of possible outcomes, but has to
find them as she works.<BR>><BR>> The other very big thing I see as a
difference between them is <BR>> that the crafter has 'rules" to follow
and seldom will ever deviate from <BR>> those rules, as they are set in
stone in her mind. On the other hand, the <BR>> mature artist has learned
that there are no rules at all. They may begin <BR>> in the early stages
by learning techniques, but eventually with the years <BR>> of working,
the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one day - <BR>> she is
free of all rules when making art. Everything can be challenged, <BR>>
everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is
<BR>> there any other profession in this world where there are no rules?
It's <BR>> the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are
absolutely no rules <BR>> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep
breath just to say it. Free, <BR>> free, free, at last!<BR>><BR>>
Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where <BR>> the
person eventually takes the techniques, I think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter
seldom takes things to a different level but is <BR>> usually content to
learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves <BR>> on to learn
something else and does that again with it. The artist can <BR>> take
crafts materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, <BR>>
and then take them far beyond because they will combine their techniques
<BR>> and materials with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is
usually a <BR>> craft. If you cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art
can begin by <BR>> learning some techniques, or using craft materials,
but then the person <BR>> begins to ask the "what if" questions, and
takes lots of risks, failures, <BR>> and bends in the road on the way to
it becoming a work of art. It is a <BR>> "mind set" that is never
satisfied with just the learning of something <BR>> new, but one that
constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where <BR>> the "end"
will be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never <BR>> understand
what I have just said and will most likely be huffing and <BR>> puffing
and angry with it. An "artist" is standing and applauding what I <BR>>
have said. It is that simple, and that complex. The artist thrives on
<BR>> change and making new discoveries and each work leads to other
querstions <BR>> and more change and more new
discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One can see the difference when you look at
work in types of <BR>> environments. One will be setting at a craft show
with a table full of <BR>> things that are basically all the same while
the other will have work on <BR>> display in a gallery or museum. Each
has decided where they "fit" and <BR>> each is very happy with where they
are. They are different animals, with <BR>> different ideas, and
different end results and outcomes. Each one has <BR>> decided their own
path and each one is comfortable with the decision she <BR>> has
made.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi
Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from
<BR>> wisconsin who is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium
is <BR>> beadwork. I make pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed
beads <BR>> sewn together with thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I <BR>> have always looked upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference
between <BR>> an art and a craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms
of art but are <BR>> all arts considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of
you for getting this <BR>> list going as it is something I?ve always
dreamed of seeing in our efforts <BR>> to bring blind people together who
love to both create and appreciate the <BR>> visual arts.<BR>><BR>>
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8 Feb 2014 09:41:10 -0600<BR>> From: "Sahar's Beaded Creations" <<A
href="mailto:sahar@inebraska.com">sahar@inebraska.com</A>><BR>> To:
"'An exploration of art by and for blind persons'"<BR>> <<A
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Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] drawing the internal dialogue<BR>>
Message-ID: <024c01cf24e4$31086190$931924b0$@<A
href="http://inebraska.com">inebraska.com</A>><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Hello,
Lynda,<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I remember drawing as a small child,
and I really think I would have been <BR>> able to develop the skill had
that skill been cultivated. I think that <BR>> the teachers figured blind
people couldn?t draw, so I don?t remember them <BR>> involving us in that
after Kindergarten. However, that?s not why I wrote. <BR>> I wrote
because I wondered if you?d ever heard of the totally blind <BR>> Turkish
painter, Asraf. Apparently, who can paint in vivid detail. I <BR>> find
that truly fascinating. He might be someone you might want to look <BR>>
up. Take care.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Warm regards,<BR>><BR>>
Sahar Husseini<BR>><BR>> For hand-crafted, one-of-a-kind jewelry,
please visit my Website at <BR>> <<A
href="http://www.saharscreations.com">http://www.saharscreations.com</A>>
<A href="http://www.saharscreations.com">www.saharscreations.com</A> Find me
on <BR>> Facebook at <<A
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<BR>> <A
href="http://www.facebook.com/saharscreations">www.facebook.com/saharscreations</A>
And remember, "Obstacles don't have to <BR>> stop you.<BR>><BR>> If
you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up.<BR>><BR>> Figure
out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it."<BR>><BR>>
Michael Jordan<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> From:
Artists-making-art [<A
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On <BR>> Behalf Of Lynda Lambert<BR>> Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014
7:56 AM<BR>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>>
Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] drawing the internal
dialogue<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Patricia, you bring up the most
fascinating things. This is another one of <BR>> those things that is so
enjoyable to think about. Drawing! We do not need <BR>> sight to draw, I
am absolutely sure of that. In fact, in many of my <BR>> drawing courses,
I had students draw blindfolded. They had to feel the <BR>> objects, then
return to the easel to do their drawings. They could walk <BR>> over to
feel it as often as they liked during the process, but they were <BR>>
not permitted to have a physical "look" at it with the eyes. The drawings
<BR>> they made were astounding - so full of livingness and so magical.
You are <BR>> making me remember those things that I had not thought of
for a very long <BR>> time - and this is great for me because I am going
to be a speaker at a <BR>> conference on disabilities and inclusion in
March, and this is exactly <BR>> what I needed to be thinking about as I
prep for that lecture.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> If anyone else has
some examples of experiences for me, that I could share <BR>> with the
audience, please let me know. I want to really make my audience <BR>>
understand that blind people have the same passions for art and art making
<BR>> as anyone else. We just have to learn adaptive ways of working, but
we can <BR>> do it, and we love to do it and it brings us great
joy.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> yes, I used Drawing From the Right Side
of the Brain as a textbook for <BR>> Drawing courses at the college! I
also used "The Natural Way to Draw" by <BR>> Nicolaides. I have worked my
way through both of these books for years on <BR>> end. Drawing is the
core of everything we do as artists and without a good <BR>> foundation
in drawing, it's difficult to move on - it is the structure on <BR>>
which we build everything else no matter the medium we work with. Drawing
<BR>> puts us in touch with the internal dialogue and we become more
aware and <BR>> connected with the object we are
drawing.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> The interesting thing about
drawing, to me, has always been that all <BR>> children seem to know how
to draw by instinct. How does that "fit" in your <BR>> experience,
Patricia? I have never encountered a child who did not know <BR>> how to
draw and make pictures - I have always thought we are born with <BR>>
these abilities. I think a child born blind would have this same <BR>>
inclination, if provided with the tools and opportunities early on, but
<BR>> that is a guess on my part. I would love to know more about this by
<BR>> someone who has had the experience as a very small child without
sight. <BR>> Drawing is more, far more, than the thing that is left on
the page after <BR>> the person has made it. It is a whole body
experience - physical and <BR>> spiritual experience, in my experiences.
So, it seems to me that no sight <BR>> is needed to make drawings. I like
to say, about my own work, that the <BR>> "thing that is on display on
the gallery wall is the residue left behind <BR>> as I was making art."
It is not the art itself, it is the tracks that <BR>> show I was there.
The art was what transpired within me as I worked on it <BR>> and the
piece in the gallery is the evidence that I was
there.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I have to say that without my
extensive drawing background, I would not be <BR>> who I am today as a
blind person. I have a small amount of peripheral <BR>> vision that is
enough that I can detect movement. Those movements are <BR>> "gestures"
and it is through the gestures around me that I navigate the <BR>> world
and that I identify people and things. It is the essence of <BR>>
everything - gesture. When I am making my art these days, it is because I
<BR>> am accustomed to using gesture and can continue to do that without
sight. <BR>> Touch is gesture, and that is how I understand what I touch.
I feel it's <BR>> internal and external
gesture.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> OH, that is so funny about your 5
year old's comment about using his "girl <BR>> brain." This is what I
found so fascinating when I was reading this book, <BR>> that the entire
structure of the brain is very different in males and <BR>> females. Each
individual part of the brain is different between the <BR>> sexes - so it
is a physical as well as psychological difference. She <BR>> explored
many different nuances that really helped me as a blind person as <BR>>
well, as I was reading. It gave me new insight into different aspects we
<BR>> encounter due to sight loss. I would highly recommend it to anyone
who has <BR>> interest in learning more about how the brain functions,
and it is <BR>> explored in a way that a non-science person like me
coulnd understand and <BR>> enjoy.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> This
is all certainly another aspect of the discussion on difference <BR>>
between art and crafts thought process and ways of "seeing."
Lynda<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>><BR>> From:
Patricia C. Estes <<A
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To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons <BR>> <<A
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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 8:54 PM<BR>><BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Linda, the brain is so fascinating-or
is it the mind?? My first real <BR>> understanding of it (before I
studied holistic psychology and energy <BR>> medicine) was when our
youngest was caught doing something or other that <BR>> five year olds
do, and he burst into tears and managed to blurt out <BR>> emphatically,
"My girl brain made me do it!"<BR>><BR>> Yes, Luke, I know what you
mean! But he didn't go to school, yet, and we <BR>> didn't have a TV...I
think he just *knew*.<BR>><BR>> Dr. Christian Northrop teaches about
the female brain, too. Her example is <BR>> that she and her, then,
husband were flying somewhere and she noticed that <BR>> she was reading
"Enriching the Mother/Daughter Relationship" and he was <BR>> reading
"How to get the most out of your Band Saw."<BR>><BR>> To bring art
into this, I am sure you are familiar with the book,"Drawing <BR>> on the
Right side of the Brain." Pretty fascinating, if one has time to <BR>>
complicate one's life by experimenting with drawing things upside
down.<BR>><BR>> Energetically, if you want to engage both hemispheres,
Brain Gym says to <BR>> "think of an X." And to relax the mind, think of
two parallel lines.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> OK, I'm taking my
parallel lines and heading to bed,<BR>><BR>> Patty<BR>><BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>><BR>> From: Lynda Lambert <<A
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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:48 PM<BR>><BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Patricia, I just finished reading the
book "The Female Brain" by Luann <BR>> Brizendine, and OH, HOw I wish I
had this wonderful information a long <BR>> time ago. Raising my brood of
children would have been so much easier if I <BR>> had known these things
about the differences between male and female <BR>> brains. And, my
goodness, I would have been a much better teacher, too. I <BR>> would
have a better understanding of my fellow human beings - but at least
<BR>> I do understand a lot more about it now since reading this book. It
was so <BR>> enlightening to me and I was telling my husband all about it
as we would <BR>> ride along in the truck. One day he said to me, "I
guess it is like this <BR>> conversation we are having right now in this
truck." This was his insight <BR>> as I was rapidly sharing so much
information as he sat quietly <BR>> listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I
understand this conversation here in <BR>> this truck so much better." We
laughed.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Of course we are both crafters and
artists - one feeds into the other. We <BR>> all begin somewhere - and
for me, it begins with my mother taking an <BR>> afternoon to teach me
how to do some embroidery stitches and to creat a <BR>> picture on a
linen tea towel - I was probably 8 years old. Then, it <BR>> continues on
with my precious neighbor taking an hour each morning, one <BR>> summer,
to teach me how to read a pattern and how to sew a blouse, skirt, <BR>>
and then an entire outfit - I was about 10. We learn from those around us,
<BR>> and how lucky we were to have them in our life. What I do today, is
an <BR>> homage to those women in my life so long ago. I celebrate them
with every <BR>> stitch I make in my art these days. And, I say "thank
you" to them for <BR>> giving me the beginnings of who I am today, and
who I am becoming with <BR>> each new day and each new idea I work
with.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
<A
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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:26 PM<BR>><BR>> Subject: Re:
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member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Hooray for "outrageous and for all of
you for taking the time to <BR>> articulate these
distinctions.<BR>><BR>> I absolutely agree and have been an artist and
crafter simultaneously. I <BR>> am back to my art and love the discovery
of it-but I will admit, my left <BR>> brain does like rules and
instructions-but my Girl Brain is winning! (no <BR>> put down to Boy
Brains, just a family joke).<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Right on! Right
on, Linda!<BR>><BR>> pece out<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message
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[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous
conversation, I know. lol I better get back <BR>> to the studio before I
cause a riot, but this should be a good place for a <BR>> discussion like
this.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true. There is
really not a fine line between the <BR>> two, it is very clear and
distinct. And artist or a crafter can take the <BR>> exact same
materials, but the mind that works with them is quite different <BR>> and
the results are quite different. It's really about "ideas" and <BR>>
"concepts" and what we are thinking about as we work, and where we go with
<BR>> the materials in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is
a <BR>> very fine museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary
Crafts - now, <BR>> what is done there, and shown there is high art. So
there is crafts and <BR>> there is CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and
there is the "Craftsman." <BR>> very distinct differences between them -
and as a sculptor you would be <BR>> very aware of this,
too.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I was so fortunate to teach in a small
private college (Geneva College, in <BR>> western PA) where I was free to
teach across disciplines, as I have my <BR>> MFA in painting/printmaking,
and my MA in English Literature. Because of <BR>> this background, I was
very marketable for a good position. I was able to <BR>> create
multi-discipline courses - alway a combination of literature and <BR>>
art, as well as studio courses in painting, fiber arts, printmaking,
<BR>> drawing. It was a dream of a job, working in interdisciplinary
studies and <BR>> doing so many projects with profs in other disciplines.
I was very active <BR>> in conferences on interdisciplinary studies. I
created an European <BR>> experience for art and literature students and
we lived in Austria every <BR>> summer and then traveled to other
countries. I even had an art exhibition <BR>> in Austria for my students
every summer. They worked so hard in the <BR>> studio and out on location
every day, and at the end of the month they had <BR>> a show - so much
fun. I also did this with Puerto Rico, and students came <BR>> to PR with
me each spring as part of their course in Puerto Rico Culture - <BR>>
which I have continued to visit every March even though I am now retired.
<BR>> It bacame how we spent our spring
time.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> OK, back to my studio where I am
working my tail off to get a piece done <BR>> today!<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>><BR>> From: <A
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member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art.
If someone who is reading this is <BR>> still torn I wouldn't be
surprised though since there are all sorts of <BR>> shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and
a friend one day. I went off on a tangent <BR>> tangling all sorts of
events together rather randomly. They started <BR>> laughing and saying
something akin to how do you make it from day to day. <BR>> And I said
you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know and <BR>>
follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I am paid
<BR>> to break the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already
been <BR>> done.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> What did you teach
before you retired? Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann
Cunningham<BR>><BR>> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the
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><BR>><BR>> ?<BR>><BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>><BR>> So nice to
see you here. I did not start this group though, I am like <BR>> you, I
just came on to ask a question about something I needed to know and <BR>>
was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am furiously
<BR>> working right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work done
for the <BR>> opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show
is called <BR>> _Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not
limited vision_ <BR>> It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a
legally blind painter. <BR>> It opens one month from today, and if I stop
to think about what else has <BR>> to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So,
I won't do that, but just will keep <BR>> on working on the details. The
show will appear at two locations this year <BR>> and will have a video
that plays in the gallery with the art works, <BR>> Braille labeling, and
artist's talks. I will even be teaching in the <BR>> gallery one
afternoon, for the Women in the Arts course at Geneva College. <BR>> That
is where I taught when I was a professor of fine arts and humanities,
<BR>> before I retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical context of my
work <BR>> and where the ideas have come from when creating
it.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> To make matters even more difficult, I
am scheduled to speak at a <BR>> conference at Slippery Rock University
of PA for two sessions, the day <BR>> before we hang our show. So, I have
those presentations to be working on <BR>> every day now, too. I
officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago, <BR>> but I am still
very much involved in everything but being in the <BR>>
classroom.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Here is my response to the
question you have asked. The gap between an <BR>> artist and a crafter is
like crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some <BR>> basic things may be
similar between the two, but most things are very far <BR>> apart
philisophically.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Both work with the hands,
and both love working with the hands and most <BR>> have done it all
their life.<BR>><BR>> Both love the materials, and the handling of
them, and the satisfaction of <BR>> the finished product that comes out
of it.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> While the crafter will usually be
satisfied with beginning something and <BR>> knowing where the end will
be, the artist begins with no notion of where <BR>> the end will be or
even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly defined <BR>> path to the
finished product. The artist has only some inklings of <BR>> possible
outcomes, but has to find them as she works.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
The other very big thing I see as a difference between them is that the
<BR>> crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from
those <BR>> rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other
hand, the mature <BR>> artist has learned that there are no rules at all.
They may begin in the <BR>> early stages by learning techniques, but
eventually with the years of <BR>> working, the light comes on in her
brain when she discovers one day - she <BR>> is free of all rules when
making art. Everything can be challenged, <BR>> everything can be
changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is <BR>> there any
other profession in this world where there are no rules? It's <BR>> the
most exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no rules
<BR>> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath just to say it.
Free, <BR>> free, free, at last!<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Laurie,
the biggest difference between art and a craft is where the person <BR>>
eventually takes the techniques, I think.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> A
crafter seldom takes things to a different level but is usually content
<BR>> to learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to
learn <BR>> something else and does that again with it. The artist can
take crafts <BR>> materials (which is what you and I both do) and
techniques, and then take <BR>> them far beyond because they will combine
their techniques and materials <BR>> with the imagination. If you can
teach it, it is usually a craft. If you <BR>> cannot teach it, it is
normally art. Art can begin by learning some <BR>> techniques, or using
craft materials, but then the person begins to ask <BR>> the "what if"
questions, and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends in <BR>> the road
on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set" that <BR>> is
never satisfied with just the learning of something new, but one that
<BR>> constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where the "end"
will <BR>> be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never understand
what I have <BR>> just said and will most likely be huffing and puffing
and angry with it. <BR>> An "artist" is standing and applauding what I
have said. It is that <BR>> simple, and that complex. The artist thrives
on change and making new <BR>> discoveries and each work leads to other
querstions and more change and <BR>> more new
discoveries.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> One can see the difference when
you look at work in types of environments. <BR>> One will be setting at a
craft show with a table full of things that are <BR>> basically all the
same while the other will have work on display in a <BR>> gallery or
museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and each is very <BR>> happy
with where they are. They are different animals, with different <BR>>
ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one has decided their
<BR>> own path and each one is comfortable with the decision she has
made.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi
Folks:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a
blind person from wisconsin who is a <BR>> fledgling and budding beginner
artist. my medium is beadwork. I make <BR>> pictures and tapestries out
of tiny little seed beads sewn together with <BR>> thread. but most of my
work is in making jewlry, but I have always looked <BR>> upon my beadwork
as an art form.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question.
What is the difference between an art and a <BR>> craft? I do believe
that all crafts are forms of art but are all arts <BR>> considered
crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list going <BR>> as
it is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to bring
<BR>> blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the
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8 Feb 2014 11:28:45 -0500<BR>> From: "Patricia C. Estes" <<A
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Good
morning,<BR>> Linda, I am glad to be of some "help" in your preparation!!
I guess I <BR>> needed a Job!<BR>> The discussions have been
intriguing...in the sense that I am being <BR>> reminded of things I
already know. Everyone's input has been fun!<BR>> About drawing: APH has
a tactile board for raised line drawings/math <BR>> assignments, etc.
This is what I would put in the hands of a blind <BR>> child-the stylus
can be used for lines and a type of "shading." And of <BR>> course, it
would also be useful for a blind child to do the same thing as <BR>> a
sighted child, as you mentioned: feel the object and draw it.<BR>> (OK,
get ready, I digress a bit: This reminds me of the work I have done <BR>>
as an Infant Massage Instructor-there are certain, simple strokes that we
<BR>> teach the parents and the result is calming, of course ...well,
unless <BR>> said baby being massaged is done!... but one of the many
objectives of <BR>> this massage stroke is "to help the infant to
organize his/her world." In <BR>> this case:"These things are part of
me...legs, arms...and this is me here <BR>> and that is someone else over
there." At which point the baby realizes <BR>> that they are getting some
undivided attention and they get all excited! <BR>> And with a blind
child, especially, or the newly blinded, this art <BR>> exercise in
observing one's world would be really helpful in sorting out, <BR>>
organizing and internalizing. But it would be helpful for *anyone* to do,
<BR>> and for the same reasons!)<BR>> I like that your intent is not
to try to get students to experience what <BR>> life is like as a blind
person!! It is just an art play!<BR>><BR>> OK...about
drawing/sketching, I think that is as essential as learning the <BR>>
basics of music before playing in an orchestra. As much as we'd love to
<BR>> skip right over the practice sessions, that just is no other way.
And I do <BR>> think that there are "work arounds" for blind artists of
any age who have <BR>> never seen, to learn perspective and to share it.
(Ann would know lots <BR>> about this). Because of my background in
classical sketching with my mom, <BR>> I could branch out to design and
suggest/gesture the images...like fashion <BR>> design and even like
impressionistic painting. Reducing the "story" to the <BR>> most
interesting lines/colors. (which will be different for each artist <BR>>
and viewer).<BR>><BR>> Best wishes-<BR>> Patty<BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Saturday, February
08, 2014 8:56 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] drawing the
internal dialogue<BR>><BR>><BR>> Patricia, you bring up the most
fascinating things. This is another one <BR>> of those things that is so
enjoyable to think about. Drawing! We do not <BR>> need sight to draw, I
am absolutely sure of that. In fact, in many of my <BR>> drawing courses,
I had students draw blindfolded. They had to feel the <BR>> objects, then
return to the easel to do their drawings. They could walk <BR>> over to
feel it as often as they liked during the process, but they were <BR>>
not permitted to have a physical "look" at it with the eyes. The drawings
<BR>> they made were astounding - so full of livingness and so magical.
You are <BR>> making me remember those things that I had not thought of
for a very long <BR>> time - and this is great for me because I am going
to be a speaker at a <BR>> conference on disabilities and inclusion in
March, and this is exactly <BR>> what I needed to be thinking about as I
prep for that lecture.<BR>><BR>> If anyone else has some examples of
experiences for me, that I could <BR>> share with the audience, please
let me know. I want to really make my <BR>> audience understand that
blind people have the same passions for art and <BR>> art making as
anyone else. We just have to learn adaptive ways of working, <BR>> but we
can do it, and we love to do it and it brings us great joy.<BR>><BR>>
yes, I used Drawing From the Right Side of the Brain as a textbook for
<BR>> Drawing courses at the college! I also used "The Natural Way to
Draw" by <BR>> Nicolaides. I have worked my way through both of these
books for years on <BR>> end. Drawing is the core of everything we do as
artists and without a good <BR>> foundation in drawing, it's difficult to
move on - it is the structure on <BR>> which we build everything else no
matter the medium we work with. Drawing <BR>> puts us in touch with the
internal dialogue and we become more aware and <BR>> connected with the
object we are drawing.<BR>><BR>> The interesting thing about drawing,
to me, has always been that all <BR>> children seem to know how to draw
by instinct. How does that "fit" in your <BR>> experience, Patricia? I
have never encountered a child who did not know <BR>> how to draw and
make pictures - I have always thought we are born with <BR>> these
abilities. I think a child born blind would have this same <BR>>
inclination, if provided with the tools and opportunities early on, but
<BR>> that is a guess on my part. I would love to know more about this by
<BR>> someone who has had the experience as a very small child without
sight. <BR>> Drawing is more, far more, than the thing that is left on
the page after <BR>> the person has made it. It is a whole body
experience - physical and <BR>> spiritual experience, in my experiences.
So, it seems to me that no sight <BR>> is needed to make drawings. I like
to say, about my own work, that the <BR>> "thing that is on display on
the gallery wall is the residue left behind <BR>> as I was making art."
It is not the art itself, it is the tracks that <BR>> show I was there.
The art was what transpired within me as I worked on it <BR>> and the
piece in the gallery is the evidence that I was there.<BR>><BR>> I
have to say that without my extensive drawing background, I would not
<BR>> be who I am today as a blind person. I have a small amount of
peripheral <BR>> vision that is enough that I can detect movement. Those
movements are <BR>> "gestures" and it is through the gestures around me
that I navigate the <BR>> world and that I identify people and things. It
is the essence of <BR>> everything - gesture. When I am making my art
these days, it is because I <BR>> am accustomed to using gesture and can
continue to do that without sight. <BR>> Touch is gesture, and that is
how I understand what I touch. I feel it's <BR>> internal and external
gesture.<BR>><BR>> OH, that is so funny about your 5 year old's
comment about using his <BR>> "girl brain." This is what I found so
fascinating when I was reading this <BR>> book, that the entire structure
of the brain is very different in males <BR>> and females. Each
individual part of the brain is different between the <BR>> sexes - so it
is a physical as well as psychological difference. She <BR>> explored
many different nuances that really helped me as a blind person as <BR>>
well, as I was reading. It gave me new insight into different aspects we
<BR>> encounter due to sight loss. I would highly recommend it to anyone
who has <BR>> interest in learning more about how the brain functions,
and it is <BR>> explored in a way that a non-science person like me
coulnd understand and <BR>> enjoy.<BR>><BR>> This is all certainly
another aspect of the discussion on difference <BR>> between art and
crafts thought process and ways of "seeing." Lynda<BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>> To: An exploration of
art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 8:54
PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Linda, the brain is so fascinating-or is it
the mind?? My first real <BR>> understanding of it (before I studied
holistic psychology and energy <BR>> medicine) was when our youngest was
caught doing something or other that <BR>> five year olds do, and he
burst into tears and managed to blurt out <BR>> emphatically, "My girl
brain made me do it!"<BR>> Yes, Luke, I know what you mean! But he didn't
go to school, yet, and <BR>> we didn't have a TV...I think he just
*knew*.<BR>> Dr. Christian Northrop teaches about the female brain, too.
Her example <BR>> is that she and her, then, husband were flying
somewhere and she noticed <BR>> that she was reading "Enriching the
Mother/Daughter Relationship" and he <BR>> was reading "How to get the
most out of your Band Saw."<BR>> To bring art into this, I am sure you
are familiar with the <BR>> book,"Drawing on the Right side of the
Brain." Pretty fascinating, if one <BR>> has time to complicate one's
life by experimenting with drawing things <BR>> upside down.<BR>>
Energetically, if you want to engage both hemispheres, Brain Gym says
<BR>> to "think of an X." And to relax the mind, think of two parallel
lines.<BR>><BR>> OK, I'm taking my parallel lines and heading to
bed,<BR>> Patty<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda
Lambert<BR>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:48 PM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>>
Patricia, I just finished reading the book "The Female Brain" by <BR>>
Luann Brizendine, and OH, HOw I wish I had this wonderful information a
<BR>> long time ago. Raising my brood of children would have been so much
easier <BR>> if I had known these things about the differences between
male and female <BR>> brains. And, my goodness, I would have been a much
better teacher, too. I <BR>> would have a better understanding of my
fellow human beings - but at least <BR>> I do understand a lot more about
it now since reading this book. It was so <BR>> enlightening to me and I
was telling my husband all about it as we would <BR>> ride along in the
truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it is like this <BR>> conversation
we are having right now in this truck." This was his insight <BR>> as I
was rapidly sharing so much information as he sat quietly <BR>>
listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand this conversation here in
<BR>> this truck so much better." We laughed.<BR>><BR>> Of course
we are both crafters and artists - one feeds into the <BR>> other. We all
begin somewhere - and for me, it begins with my mother <BR>> taking an
afternoon to teach me how to do some embroidery stitches and to <BR>>
creat a picture on a linen tea towel - I was probably 8 years old. Then,
<BR>> it continues on with my precious neighbor taking an hour each
morning, one <BR>> summer, to teach me how to read a pattern and how to
sew a blouse, skirt, <BR>> and then an entire outfit - I was about 10. We
learn from those around us, <BR>> and how lucky we were to have them in
our life. What I do today, is an <BR>> homage to those women in my life
so long ago. I celebrate them with every <BR>> stitch I make in my art
these days. And, I say "thank you" to them for <BR>> giving me the
beginnings of who I am today, and who I am becoming with <BR>> each new
day and each new idea I work with.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>>
<BR>> <A
href="http://www.amazon.com/Louann-Brizendine/e/B001H6RZB8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1391798400&sr=1-1">http://www.amazon.com/Louann-Brizendine/e/B001H6RZB8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1391798400&sr=1-1</A><BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 1:26 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hooray for "outrageous and for all of you
for taking the time to <BR>> articulate these distinctions.<BR>> I
absolutely agree and have been an artist and crafter <BR>>
simultaneously. I am back to my art and love the discovery of it-but I
<BR>> will admit, my left brain does like rules and instructions-but my
Girl <BR>> Brain is winning! (no put down to Boy Brains, just a family
joke).<BR>><BR>> Right on! Right on, Linda!<BR>> pece out<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 11:44 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous conversation,
I know. lol I better <BR>> get back to the studio before I cause a riot,
but this should be a good <BR>> place for a discussion like
this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a
fine line <BR>> between the two, it is very clear and distinct. And
artist or a crafter <BR>> can take the exact same materials, but the mind
that works with them is <BR>> quite different and the results are quite
different. It's really about <BR>> "ideas" and "concepts" and what we are
thinking about as we work, and <BR>> where we go with the materials in
our process of working. In Pittsburgh, <BR>> PA there is a very fine
museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary <BR>> Crafts - now,
what is done there, and shown there is high art. So there is <BR>> crafts
and there is CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and there is the <BR>>
"Craftsman." very distinct differences between them - and as a sculptor
<BR>> you would be very aware of this, too.<BR>><BR>> I was so
fortunate to teach in a small private college (Geneva <BR>> College, in
western PA) where I was free to teach across disciplines, as <BR>> I have
my MFA in painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature. <BR>>
Because of this background, I was very marketable for a good position. I
<BR>> was able to create multi-discipline courses - alway a combination
of <BR>> literature and art, as well as studio courses in painting, fiber
arts, <BR>> printmaking, drawing. It was a dream of a job, working in
<BR>> interdisciplinary studies and doing so many projects with profs in
other <BR>> disciplines. I was very active in conferences on
interdisciplinary <BR>> studies. I created an European experience for art
and literature <BR>> students and we lived in Austria every summer and
then traveled to other <BR>> countries. I even had an art exhibition in
Austria for my students every <BR>> summer. They worked so hard in the
studio and out on location every day, <BR>> and at the end of the month
they had a show - so much fun. I also did <BR>> this with Puerto Rico,
and students came to PR with me each spring as part <BR>> of their course
in Puerto Rico Culture - which I have continued to visit <BR>> every
March even though I am now retired. It bacame how we spent our <BR>>
spring time.<BR>><BR>> OK, back to my studio where I am working my
tail off to get a <BR>> piece done today!<BR>> Lynda<BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com">Ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 9:08 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading <BR>> this is still torn I wouldn't be surprised
though since there are all <BR>> sorts of shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a friend
one day. I went off <BR>> on a tangent tangling all sorts of events
together rather randomly. They <BR>> started laughing and saying
something akin to how do you make it from day <BR>> to day. And I said
you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you <BR>> know and
follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I <BR>>
am paid to break the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already
<BR>> been done.<BR>><BR>><BR>> What did you teach before you
retired? Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann Cunningham<BR>> Tactile Art - a
creative way to see the world!<BR>> 303 238 4760<BR>> <A
href="mailto:ann@acunningham.com">ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> <A
href="http://www.acunningham.com">http://www.acunningham.com</A><BR>> <A
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-------- Original Message --------<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art]
arts or crafts new member<BR>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <<A
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Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by
and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org">artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start this
group though, <BR>> I am like you, I just came on to ask a question about
something I needed <BR>> to know and was so glad to meet Ann who helped
me with my question. I am <BR>> furiously working right now (oops, split
that infinitive!) getting work <BR>> done for the opening of a two-person
exhibition at a museum - the show is <BR>> called _Vision and Revision:
Two artists with limited sight, not limited <BR>> vision_ It is my
pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind <BR>> painter.
It opens one month from today, and if I stop to think about what <BR>>
else has to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but just
<BR>> will keep on working on the details. The show will appear at two
locations <BR>> this year and will have a video that plays in the gallery
with the art <BR>> works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will
even be teaching in <BR>> the gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the
Arts course at Geneva <BR>> College. That is where I taught when I was a
professor of fine arts and <BR>> humanities, before I retired. I'll be
lecturing on the historical context <BR>> of my work and where the ideas
have come from when creating it.<BR>><BR>> To make matters even more
difficult, I am scheduled to speak <BR>> at a conference at Slippery Rock
University of PA for two sessions, the <BR>> day before we hang our show.
So, I have those presentations to be working <BR>> on every day now, too.
I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years <BR>> ago, but I am still
very much involved in everything but being in the <BR>>
classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here is my response to the question you have
asked. The gap <BR>> between an artist and a crafter is like crossing the
ocean, it is that <BR>> wide. Some basic things may be similar between
the two, but most things <BR>> are very far apart
philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both work with the hands, and both love
working with the <BR>> hands and most have done it all their
life.<BR>> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the
<BR>> satisfaction of the finished product that comes out of
it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with
beginning <BR>> something and knowing where the end will be, the artist
begins with no <BR>> notion of where the end will be or even if it will
be. the crafter has a <BR>> clearly defined path to the finished product.
The artist has only some <BR>> inklings of possible outcomes, but has to
find them as she works.<BR>><BR>> The other very big thing I see as a
difference between them <BR>> is that the crafter has 'rules" to follow
and seldom will ever deviate <BR>> from those rules, as they are set in
stone in her mind. On the other hand, <BR>> the mature artist has learned
that there are no rules at all. They may <BR>> begin in the early stages
by learning techniques, but eventually with the <BR>> years of working,
the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one <BR>> day - she is
free of all rules when making art. Everything can be <BR>> challenged,
everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for <BR>> the
artist. Is there any other profession in this world where there are no
<BR>> rules? It's the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are
<BR>> absolutely no rules whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep
breath <BR>> just to say it. Free, free, free, at last!<BR>><BR>>
Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is <BR>> where the
person eventually takes the techniques, I think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter
seldom takes things to a different level but is <BR>> usually content to
learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves <BR>> on to learn
something else and does that again with it. The artist can <BR>> take
crafts materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, <BR>>
and then take them far beyond because they will combine their techniques
<BR>> and materials with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is
usually a <BR>> craft. If you cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art
can begin by <BR>> learning some techniques, or using craft materials,
but then the person <BR>> begins to ask the "what if" questions, and
takes lots of risks, failures, <BR>> and bends in the road on the way to
it becoming a work of art. It is a <BR>> "mind set" that is never
satisfied with just the learning of something <BR>> new, but one that
constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where <BR>> the "end"
will be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never <BR>> understand
what I have just said and will most likely be huffing and <BR>> puffing
and angry with it. An "artist" is standing and applauding what I <BR>>
have said. It is that simple, and that complex. The artist thrives on
<BR>> change and making new discoveries and each work leads to other
querstions <BR>> and more change and more new
discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One can see the difference when you look at
work in types of <BR>> environments. One will be setting at a craft show
with a table full of <BR>> things that are basically all the same while
the other will have work on <BR>> display in a gallery or museum. Each
has decided where they "fit" and <BR>> each is very happy with where they
are. They are different animals, with <BR>> different ideas, and
different end results and outcomes. Each one has <BR>> decided their own
path and each one is comfortable with the decision she <BR>> has
made.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Laurie Porter<BR>> To: <A
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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi
Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from
<BR>> wisconsin who is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium
is <BR>> beadwork. I make pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed
beads <BR>> sewn together with thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I <BR>> have always looked upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference
between <BR>> an art and a craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms
of art but are <BR>> all arts considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of
you for getting this <BR>> list going as it is something I?ve always
dreamed of seeing in our efforts <BR>> to bring blind people together who
love to both create and appreciate the <BR>> visual arts.<BR>><BR>>
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reply-type=original<BR>><BR>> Linda:<BR>><BR>> thanks so much
for this definition of the difference between art and <BR>>
craft.<BR>> I think I am now truly where I belong, and given this
explanation, I know<BR>> now why I have never been satisfied with just
finishing a crafting <BR>> project.<BR>> I've always found it to be
decidedly limiting in imagination, creativity <BR>> and<BR>>
origionality. .<BR>><BR>> I have been so impressed with the messages
I've read on this list so far.<BR>> It sounds like there is some
wonderful energy on this listand am looking<BR>> forward read ing
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Message: 1<BR>> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:03:18 -0500<BR>> From: "Lynda
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>>
So nice to see you here. I did not start this group though, I am like
<BR>> you,<BR>> I just came on to ask a question about something I
needed to know and was <BR>> so<BR>> glad to meet Ann who helped me
with my question. I am furiously working<BR>> right now (oops, split that
infinitive!) getting work done for the opening<BR>> of a two-person
exhibition at a museum - the show is called _Vision and<BR>> Revision:
Two artists with limited sight, not limited vision_ It is my<BR>> pottery
and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind painter. It opens<BR>>
one month from today, and if I stop to think about what else has to be
<BR>> done<BR>> yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but just
will keep on working <BR>> on<BR>> the details. The show will appear
at two locations this year and will have <BR>> a<BR>> video that plays
in the gallery with the art works, Braille labeling, and<BR>> artist's
talks. I will even be teaching in the gallery one afternoon, for<BR>> the
Women in the Arts course at Geneva College. That is where I taught <BR>>
when<BR>> I was a professor of fine arts and humanities, before I
retired. I'll be<BR>> lecturing on the historical context of my work and
where the ideas have <BR>> come<BR>> from when creating
it.<BR>><BR>> To make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to
speak at a <BR>> conference<BR>> at Slippery Rock University of PA for
two sessions, the day before we hang<BR>> our show. So, I have those
presentations to be working on every day now,<BR>> too. I officially
retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago, but I am still<BR>> very much
involved in everything but being in the classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here is
my response to the question you have asked. The gap between an<BR>>
artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some
<BR>> basic<BR>> things may be similar between the two, but most
things are very far apart<BR>> philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both work
with the hands, and both love working with the hands and most <BR>>
have<BR>> done it all their life.<BR>> Both love the materials, and
the handling of them, and the satisfaction of<BR>> the finished product
that comes out of it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter will usually be
satisfied with beginning something and<BR>> knowing where the end will
be, the artist begins with no notion of where <BR>> the<BR>> end will
be or even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly defined path<BR>> to
the finished product. The artist has only some inklings of possible<BR>>
outcomes, but has to find them as she works.<BR>><BR>> The other very
big thing I see as a difference between them is that the<BR>> crafter has
'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from those <BR>>
rules,<BR>> as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the
mature artist<BR>> has learned that there are no rules at all. They may
begin in the early<BR>> stages by learning techniques, but eventually
with the years of working, <BR>> the<BR>> light comes on in her brain
when she discovers one day - she is free of <BR>> all<BR>> rules when
making art. Everything can be challenged, everything can be<BR>> changed,
and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is there any other<BR>>
profession in this world where there are no rules? It's the most<BR>>
exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no rules
whatsoever<BR>> for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath just to say it.
Free, free, free,<BR>> at last!<BR>><BR>> Laurie, the biggest
difference between art and a craft is where the person<BR>> eventually
takes the techniques, I think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter seldom takes things
to a different level but is usually content <BR>> to<BR>> learn
something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to learn<BR>>
something else and does that again with it. The artist can take
crafts<BR>> materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques,
and then take<BR>> them far beyond because they will combine their
techniques and materials<BR>> with the imagination. If you can teach it,
it is usually a craft. If you<BR>> cannot teach it, it is normally art.
Art can begin by learning some<BR>> techniques, or using craft materials,
but then the person begins to ask <BR>> the<BR>> "what if" questions,
and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends in the<BR>> road on the way
to it becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set" that is<BR>> never
satisfied with just the learning of something new, but one that<BR>>
constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where the "end" will
<BR>> be,<BR>> or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never
understand what I have just<BR>> said and will most likely be huffing and
puffing and angry with it. An<BR>> "artist" is standing and applauding
what I have said. It is that simple, <BR>> and<BR>> that complex. The
artist thrives on change and making new discoveries and<BR>> each work
leads to other querstions and more change and more new<BR>>
discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One can see the difference when you look at
work in types of environments.<BR>> One will be setting at a craft show
with a table full of things that are<BR>> basically all the same while
the other will have work on display in a<BR>> gallery or museum. Each has
decided where they "fit" and each is very <BR>> happy<BR>> with where
they are. They are different animals, with different ideas, and<BR>>
different end results and outcomes. Each one has decided their own path
<BR>> and<BR>> each one is comfortable with the decision she has
made.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Laurie Porter<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org">Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A><BR>>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi
Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from
wisconsin who is a<BR>> fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium
is beadwork. I make<BR>> pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed
beads sewn together with<BR>> thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I have always looked<BR>> upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference
between an art and a<BR>> craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms
of art but are all arts<BR>> considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of
you for getting this list going<BR>> as it is something I?ve always
dreamed of seeing in our efforts to bring<BR>> blind people together who
love to both create and appreciate the visual<BR>>
arts.<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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7 Feb 2014 11:23:35 -0500<BR>> From: Jewel <<A
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR>><BR>> I absolutely
loved this explanation of arts versus crafts. I was also<BR>> wondering
the difference, so this really makes it clear to me. I do<BR>> polymer
clay. While I start with an expectation that it will be some<BR>> sort of
elephant or a horse or whatever, who knows what twists and<BR>> turns
will happen along the way. By the way, I'm currently working on<BR>> a
Harry Potter style house elf holding a tray that can hold business<BR>>
ccards. The house elf is done, but the tray still needs to be<BR>>
finished.<BR>> Jewel<BR>><BR>> On 2/7/14, <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com">Ann@acunningham.com</A> <<A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com">Ann@acunningham.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If someone who is
reading this is<BR>>> still<BR>>> torn I wouldn't be surprised
though since there are all sorts of shades <BR>>> in<BR>>> the
continuum.<BR>>><BR>>> I was talking to my daughter and a friend
one day. I went off on a <BR>>> tangent<BR>>> tangling all sorts
of events together rather randomly. They started<BR>>>
laughing<BR>>> and saying something akin to how do you make it from
day to day. And I<BR>>> said<BR>>> you guys are pilots and for
you to be a good pilot you know and follow<BR>>> rules. That is what
they pay you for. I am an artist and I am paid to<BR>>>
break<BR>>> the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already
been done.<BR>>><BR>>> What did you teach before you retired?
Ann<BR>>><BR>>> Ann Cunningham<BR>>> Tactile Art - a
creative way to see the world!<BR>>> 303 238 4760<BR>>> <A
href="mailto:ann@acunningham.com">ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>>> <A
href="http://www.acunningham.com">http://www.acunningham.com</A><BR>>>
<A
href="http://www.sensationalbooks.com">http://www.sensationalbooks.com</A><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>>
-------- Original Message --------<BR>>>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>>>> From: "Lynda
Lambert" <<A
href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net">llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>>>>
Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>>>> To: "An exploration of
art by and for blind persons"<BR>>>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org">artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
Hi Laurie,<BR>>>> So nice to see you here. I did not start this
group though, I am like<BR>>>> you, I just came on to ask a
question about something I needed to know<BR>>>>
and<BR>>>> was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my question.
I am furiously<BR>>>> working right now (oops, split that
infinitive!) getting work done for<BR>>>> the<BR>>>>
opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is
called<BR>>>> _Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight,
not limited<BR>>>> vision_ It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber
works, and a legally<BR>>>> blind<BR>>>> painter. It opens
one month from today, and if I stop to think about <BR>>>>
what<BR>>>> else has to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't
do that, but just<BR>>>> will keep on working on the details. The
show will appear at two<BR>>>> locations<BR>>>> this year
and will have a video that plays in the gallery with the art<BR>>>>
works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will even be teaching
in<BR>>>> the gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts
course at Geneva<BR>>>> College. That is where I taught when I was
a professor of fine arts and<BR>>>> humanities, before I retired.
I'll be lecturing on the historical <BR>>>> context<BR>>>>
of my work and where the ideas have come from when creating
it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> To make matters even more difficult, I
am scheduled to speak at a<BR>>>> conference at Slippery Rock
University of PA for two sessions, the day<BR>>>> before we hang
our show. So, I have those presentations to be working on<BR>>>>
every day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years
ago,<BR>>>> but I am still very much involved in everything but
being in the<BR>>>> classroom.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Here
is my response to the question you have asked. The gap between
an<BR>>>> artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is
that wide. Some<BR>>>> basic things may be similar between the two,
but most things are very <BR>>>> far<BR>>>> apart
philisophically.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Both work with the hands,
and both love working with the hands and most<BR>>>> have done it
all their life.<BR>>>> Both love the materials, and the handling of
them, and the satisfaction<BR>>>> of<BR>>>> the finished
product that comes out of it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> While the
crafter will usually be satisfied with beginning something
and<BR>>>> knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with no
notion of where<BR>>>> the end will be or even if it will be. the
crafter has a clearly <BR>>>> defined<BR>>>> path to the
finished product. The artist has only some inklings of<BR>>>>
possible outcomes, but has to find them as she
works.<BR>>>><BR>>>> The other very big thing I see as a
difference between them is that the<BR>>>> crafter has 'rules" to
follow and seldom will ever deviate from those<BR>>>> rules, as
they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the<BR>>>>
mature<BR>>>> artist has learned that there are no rules at all.
They may begin in <BR>>>> the<BR>>>> early stages by
learning techniques, but eventually with the years of<BR>>>>
working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one
day<BR>>>> - she is free of all rules when making art. Everything
can be <BR>>>> challenged,<BR>>>> everything can be
changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist.<BR>>>>
Is<BR>>>> there any other profession in this world where there are
no rules? It's<BR>>>> the most exhilerating feeling to know that
there are absolutely no rules<BR>>>> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes
me take a deep breath just to say it. <BR>>>> Free,<BR>>>>
free, free, at last!<BR>>>><BR>>>> Laurie, the biggest
difference between art and a craft is where the<BR>>>>
person<BR>>>> eventually takes the techniques, I
think.<BR>>>><BR>>>> A crafter seldom takes things to a
different level but is usually <BR>>>> content<BR>>>> to
learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to
learn<BR>>>> something else and does that again with it. The artist
can take crafts<BR>>>> materials (which is what you and I both do)
and techniques, and then <BR>>>> take<BR>>>> them far
beyond because they will combine their techniques and
materials<BR>>>> with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is
usually a craft. If <BR>>>> you<BR>>>> cannot teach it, it
is normally art. Art can begin by learning some<BR>>>> techniques,
or using craft materials, but then the person begins to ask<BR>>>>
the "what if" questions, and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends
in<BR>>>> the road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a
"mind set" <BR>>>> that<BR>>>> is never satisfied with
just the learning of something new, but one that<BR>>>> constantly
questions, experiments, and never knows where the "end" will<BR>>>>
be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never understand what I
<BR>>>> have<BR>>>> just said and will most likely be
huffing and puffing and angry with it.<BR>>>> An "artist" is
standing and applauding what I have said. It is that<BR>>>> simple,
and that complex. The artist thrives on change and making
new<BR>>>> discoveries and each work leads to other querstions and
more change and<BR>>>> more new
discoveries.<BR>>>><BR>>>> One can see the difference when
you look at work in types of<BR>>>> environments. One will be
setting at a craft show with a table full of<BR>>>> things that are
basically all the same while the other will have work <BR>>>>
on<BR>>>> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided where
they "fit" and<BR>>>> each is very happy with where they are. They
are different animals, with<BR>>>> different ideas, and different
end results and outcomes. Each one has<BR>>>> decided their own
path and each one is comfortable with the decision she<BR>>>> has
made.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Lynda<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Lynda<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>> From: Laurie
Porter<BR>>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org">Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A><BR>>>>>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>>>>> Subject:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Hi
Folks:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> I'd like to introduce myself.
I'm a blind person from wisconsin who is <BR>>>>>
a<BR>>>>> fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is
beadwork. I make<BR>>>>> pictures and tapestries out of tiny
little seed beads sewn together<BR>>>>> with<BR>>>>>
thread. but most of my work is in making jewlry, but I have
always<BR>>>>> looked<BR>>>>> upon my beadwork as an
art form.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> so, I have a basic
question. What is the difference between an art and <BR>>>>>
a<BR>>>>> craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms of art
but are all arts<BR>>>>> considered crafts? Thanks linda and all
of you for getting this list<BR>>>>> going as it is something
I've always dreamed of seeing in our efforts <BR>>>>>
to<BR>>>>> bring blind people together who love to both create
and appreciate the<BR>>>>> visual arts.<BR>>>>>
________________________________<BR>>>>>
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7 Feb 2014 11:44:39 -0500<BR>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <<A
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To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
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Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Well, this is an
outrageous conversation, I know. lol I better get back <BR>> to<BR>>
the studio before I cause a riot, but this should be a good place for
a<BR>> discussion like this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true.
There is really not a fine line between the<BR>> two, it is very clear
and distinct. And artist or a crafter can take the<BR>> exact same
materials, but the mind that works with them is quite different<BR>> and
the results are quite different. It's really about "ideas" and<BR>>
"concepts" and what we are thinking about as we work, and where we go
with<BR>> the materials in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA
there is a <BR>> very<BR>> fine museum/gallery called the Society of
Contemporary Crafts - now, what <BR>> is<BR>> done there, and shown
there is high art. So there is crafts and there is<BR>> CRAFT, too. There
is the "crafter" and there is the "Craftsman." very<BR>> distinct
differences between them - and as a sculptor you would be very<BR>> aware
of this, too.<BR>><BR>> I was so fortunate to teach in a small private
college (Geneva College, in<BR>> western PA) where I was free to teach
across disciplines, as I have my <BR>> MFA<BR>> in
painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature. Because of
this<BR>> background, I was very marketable for a good position. I was
able to <BR>> create<BR>> multi-discipline courses - alway a
combination of literature and art, as<BR>> well as studio courses in
painting, fiber arts, printmaking, drawing. It <BR>> was<BR>> a dream
of a job, working in interdisciplinary studies and doing so many<BR>>
projects with profs in other disciplines. I was very active in <BR>>
conferences<BR>> on interdisciplinary studies. I created an European
experience for art <BR>> and<BR>> literature students and we lived in
Austria every summer and then traveled<BR>> to other countries. I even
had an art exhibition in Austria for my <BR>> students<BR>> every
summer. They worked so hard in the studio and out on location every<BR>>
day, and at the end of the month they had a show - so much fun. I also
<BR>> did<BR>> this with Puerto Rico, and students came to PR with me
each spring as part<BR>> of their course in Puerto Rico Culture - which I
have continued to visit<BR>> every March even though I am now retired. It
bacame how we spent our <BR>> spring<BR>> time.<BR>><BR>> OK,
back to my studio where I am working my tail off to get a piece done<BR>>
today!<BR>> Lynda<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com">Ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 9:08 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading this is<BR>> still torn I wouldn't be surprised
though since there are all sorts of<BR>> shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a friend
one day. I went off on a <BR>> tangent<BR>> tangling all sorts of
events together rather randomly. They started <BR>> laughing<BR>> and
saying something akin to how do you make it from day to day. And I <BR>>
said<BR>> you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know and
follow<BR>> rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I am
paid to <BR>> break<BR>> the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it
has already been done.<BR>><BR>><BR>> What did you teach before you
retired? Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann Cunningham<BR>> Tactile Art - a
creative way to see the world!<BR>> 303 238 4760<BR>> <A
href="mailto:ann@acunningham.com">ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> <A
href="http://www.acunningham.com">http://www.acunningham.com</A><BR>> <A
href="http://www.sensationalbooks.com">http://www.sensationalbooks.com</A><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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arts or crafts new member<BR>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <<A
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Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by
and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org">artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start this
group though, I am like<BR>> you, I just came on to ask a question about
something I needed to know and<BR>> was so glad to meet Ann who helped me
with my question. I am furiously<BR>> working right now (oops, split that
infinitive!) getting work done for the<BR>> opening of a two-person
exhibition at a museum - the show is called <BR>> _Vision<BR>> and
Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited vision_ It is <BR>>
my<BR>> pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind painter.
It opens<BR>> one month from today, and if I stop to think about what
else has to be <BR>> done<BR>> yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do
that, but just will keep on working <BR>> on<BR>> the details. The
show will appear at two locations this year and will have <BR>> a<BR>>
video that plays in the gallery with the art works, Braille labeling,
and<BR>> artist's talks. I will even be teaching in the gallery one
afternoon, for<BR>> the Women in the Arts course at Geneva College. That
is where I taught <BR>> when<BR>> I was a professor of fine arts and
humanities, before I retired. I'll be<BR>> lecturing on the historical
context of my work and where the ideas have <BR>> come<BR>> from when
creating it.<BR>><BR>> To make matters even more difficult, I am
scheduled to speak at a<BR>> conference at Slippery Rock University of PA
for two sessions, the day<BR>> before we hang our show. So, I have those
presentations to be working on<BR>> every day now, too. I officially
retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago, <BR>> but<BR>> I am still very
much involved in everything but being in the classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here
is my response to the question you have asked. The gap between an<BR>>
artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some
<BR>> basic<BR>> things may be similar between the two, but most
things are very far apart<BR>> philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both work
with the hands, and both love working with the hands and most<BR>> have
done it all their life.<BR>> Both love the materials, and the handling of
them, and the satisfaction<BR>> of the finished product that comes out of
it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with
beginning something <BR>> and<BR>> knowing where the end will be, the
artist begins with no notion of where <BR>> the<BR>> end will be or
even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly defined path<BR>> to the
finished product. The artist has only some inklings of possible<BR>>
outcomes, but has to find them as she works.<BR>><BR>> The other very
big thing I see as a difference between them is that the<BR>> crafter has
'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from those <BR>>
rules,<BR>> as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the
mature artist<BR>> has learned that there are no rules at all. They may
begin in the early<BR>> stages by learning techniques, but eventually
with the years of working, <BR>> the<BR>> light comes on in her brain
when she discovers one day - she is free of <BR>> all<BR>> rules when
making art. Everything can be challenged, everything can be<BR>> changed,
and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is there any other<BR>>
profession in this world where there are no rules? It's the most<BR>>
exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no rules
whatsoever<BR>> for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath just to say it.
Free, free, free,<BR>> at last!<BR>><BR>> Laurie, the biggest
difference between art and a craft is where the<BR>> person eventually
takes the techniques, I think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter seldom takes things
to a different level but is usually<BR>> content to learn something then
duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to<BR>> learn something else and
does that again with it. The artist can take <BR>> crafts<BR>>
materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and then
take<BR>> them far beyond because they will combine their techniques and
materials<BR>> with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a
craft. If you<BR>> cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by
learning some<BR>> techniques, or using craft materials, but then the
person begins to ask <BR>> the<BR>> "what if" questions, and takes
lots of risks, failures, and bends in the<BR>> road on the way to it
becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set" that is<BR>> never satisfied
with just the learning of something new, but one that<BR>> constantly
questions, experiments, and never knows where the "end" will <BR>>
be,<BR>> or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never understand what I
have just<BR>> said and will most likely be huffing and puffing and angry
with it. An<BR>> "artist" is standing and applauding what I have said. It
is that simple, <BR>> and<BR>> that complex. The artist thrives on
change and making new discoveries and<BR>> each work leads to other
querstions and more change and more new<BR>> discoveries.<BR>><BR>>
One can see the difference when you look at work in types of<BR>>
environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full
of<BR>> things that are basically all the same while the other will have
work on<BR>> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided where they
"fit" and <BR>> each<BR>> is very happy with where they are. They are
different animals, with<BR>> different ideas, and different end results
and outcomes. Each one has<BR>> decided their own path and each one is
comfortable with the decision she <BR>> has<BR>> made.<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: Laurie Porter<BR>> To: <A
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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi
Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from
wisconsin who <BR>> is<BR>> a fledgling and budding beginner artist.
my medium is beadwork. I make<BR>> pictures and tapestries out of tiny
little seed beads sewn together with<BR>> thread. but most of my work is
in making jewlry, but I have always looked<BR>> upon my beadwork as an
art form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the
difference between an art <BR>> and<BR>> a craft? I do believe that
all crafts are forms of art but are all arts<BR>> considered crafts?
Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list going<BR>> as it is
something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to bring<BR>>
blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the
visual<BR>> arts.<BR>><BR>>
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7 Feb 2014 11:47:54 -0500<BR>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <<A
href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net">llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>>
To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
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Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>>
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reply-type=original<BR>><BR>> Yes, Jewell, the material does not
matter - we can go any way we want to<BR>> with it. It is the ideas we
work with that determine what will happen <BR>> along<BR>> the way,
plus allowing the medium to lead us - finding that "life of it's<BR>>
own" that is there for us - a surprise or two along the way. Your
project<BR>> sounds wonderful. Lynda<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: "Jewel" <<A
href="mailto:herekittykat2@gmail.com">herekittykat2@gmail.com</A>><BR>>
To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org">artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:23 AM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>>>I
absolutely loved this explanation of arts versus crafts. I was
also<BR>>> wondering the difference, so this really makes it clear to
me. I do<BR>>> polymer clay. While I start with an expectation that it
will be some<BR>>> sort of elephant or a horse or whatever, who knows
what twists and<BR>>> turns will happen along the way. By the way, I'm
currently working on<BR>>> a Harry Potter style house elf holding a
tray that can hold business<BR>>> ccards. The house elf is done, but
the tray still needs to be<BR>>> finished.<BR>>>
Jewel<BR>>><BR>>> On 2/7/14, <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com">Ann@acunningham.com</A> <<A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com">Ann@acunningham.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If someone who
is reading this is<BR>>>> still<BR>>>> torn I wouldn't be
surprised though since there are all sorts of shades<BR>>>>
in<BR>>>> the continuum.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I was
talking to my daughter and a friend one day. I went off on a<BR>>>>
tangent<BR>>>> tangling all sorts of events together rather
randomly. They started<BR>>>> laughing<BR>>>> and saying
something akin to how do you make it from day to day. And I<BR>>>>
said<BR>>>> you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you
know and follow<BR>>>> rules. That is what they pay you for. I am
an artist and I am paid to<BR>>>> break<BR>>>> the rules.
No one wants to hear from me if it has already been
done.<BR>>>><BR>>>> What did you teach before you retired?
Ann<BR>>>><BR>>>> Ann Cunningham<BR>>>> Tactile
Art - a creative way to see the world!<BR>>>> 303 238
4760<BR>>>> <A
href="mailto:ann@acunningham.com">ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.acunningham.com">http://www.acunningham.com</A><BR>>>>
<A
href="http://www.sensationalbooks.com">http://www.sensationalbooks.com</A><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>>
-------- Original Message --------<BR>>>>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>>>>> From:
"Lynda Lambert" <<A
href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net">llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>>>>>
Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>>>>> To: "An exploration
of art by and for blind persons"<BR>>>>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org">artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Hi Laurie,<BR>>>>> So nice to see you here. I did not start this
group though, I am like<BR>>>>> you, I just came on to ask a
question about something I needed to know<BR>>>>>
and<BR>>>>> was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my
question. I am furiously<BR>>>>> working right now (oops, split
that infinitive!) getting work done for<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>> opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the
show is called<BR>>>>> _Vision and Revision: Two artists with
limited sight, not limited<BR>>>>> vision_ It is my pottery and
mixed-media fiber works, and a legally<BR>>>>>
blind<BR>>>>> painter. It opens one month from today, and if I
stop to think about<BR>>>>> what<BR>>>>> else has to
be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but <BR>>>>>
just<BR>>>>> will keep on working on the details. The show will
appear at two<BR>>>>> locations<BR>>>>> this year
and will have a video that plays in the gallery with the
art<BR>>>>> works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will
even be teaching in<BR>>>>> the gallery one afternoon, for the
Women in the Arts course at Geneva<BR>>>>> College. That is
where I taught when I was a professor of fine arts and<BR>>>>>
humanities, before I retired. I'll be lecturing on the
historical<BR>>>>> context<BR>>>>> of my work and
where the ideas have come from when creating
it.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> To make matters even more
difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a<BR>>>>> conference at
Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day<BR>>>>>
before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working
<BR>>>>> on<BR>>>>> every day now, too. I officially
retired from teaching 5 1/2 years <BR>>>>>
ago,<BR>>>>> but I am still very much involved in everything but
being in the<BR>>>>>
classroom.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Here is my response to
the question you have asked. The gap between an<BR>>>>> artist
and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide.
Some<BR>>>>> basic things may be similar between the two, but
most things are very<BR>>>>> far<BR>>>>> apart
philisophically.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Both work with the
hands, and both love working with the hands and most<BR>>>>>
have done it all their life.<BR>>>>> Both love the materials,
and the handling of them, and the satisfaction<BR>>>>>
of<BR>>>>> the finished product that comes out of
it.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> While the crafter will usually
be satisfied with beginning something <BR>>>>>
and<BR>>>>> knowing where the end will be, the artist begins
with no notion of <BR>>>>> where<BR>>>>> the end
will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly<BR>>>>>
defined<BR>>>>> path to the finished product. The artist has
only some inklings of<BR>>>>> possible outcomes, but has to find
them as she works.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> The other very
big thing I see as a difference between them is that the<BR>>>>>
crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from
those<BR>>>>> rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On
the other hand, the<BR>>>>> mature<BR>>>>> artist
has learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin
in<BR>>>>> the<BR>>>>> early stages by learning
techniques, but eventually with the years of<BR>>>>> working,
the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one
day<BR>>>>> - she is free of all rules when making art.
Everything can be<BR>>>>> challenged,<BR>>>>>
everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the
artist.<BR>>>>> Is<BR>>>>> there any other
profession in this world where there are no rules? It's<BR>>>>>
the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no
<BR>>>>> rules<BR>>>>> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes
me take a deep breath just to say it.<BR>>>>>
Free,<BR>>>>> free, free, at
last!<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Laurie, the biggest difference
between art and a craft is where the<BR>>>>>
person<BR>>>>> eventually takes the techniques, I
think.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> A crafter seldom takes things
to a different level but is usually<BR>>>>>
content<BR>>>>> to learn something then duplicate it endlessly,
then moves on to learn<BR>>>>> something else and does that
again with it. The artist can take crafts<BR>>>>> materials
(which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and
then<BR>>>>> take<BR>>>>> them far beyond because
they will combine their techniques and <BR>>>>>
materials<BR>>>>> with the imagination. If you can teach it, it
is usually a craft. If<BR>>>>> you<BR>>>>> cannot
teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by learning
some<BR>>>>> techniques, or using craft materials, but then the
person begins to ask<BR>>>>> the "what if" questions, and takes
lots of risks, failures, and bends <BR>>>>>
in<BR>>>>> the road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It
is a "mind set"<BR>>>>> that<BR>>>>> is never
satisfied with just the learning of something new, but one
<BR>>>>> that<BR>>>>> constantly questions,
experiments, and never knows where the "end" will<BR>>>>> be, or
even if it will be. A "crafter" will never understand what
I<BR>>>>> have<BR>>>>> just said and will most
likely be huffing and puffing and angry with <BR>>>>>
it.<BR>>>>> An "artist" is standing and applauding what I have
said. It is that<BR>>>>> simple, and that complex. The artist
thrives on change and making new<BR>>>>> discoveries and each
work leads to other querstions and more change and<BR>>>>> more
new discoveries.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> One can see the
difference when you look at work in types of<BR>>>>>
environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full
of<BR>>>>> things that are basically all the same while the
other will have work<BR>>>>> on<BR>>>>> display in a
gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and<BR>>>>>
each is very happy with where they are. They are different animals,
<BR>>>>> with<BR>>>>> different ideas, and different
end results and outcomes. Each one has<BR>>>>> decided their own
path and each one is comfortable with the decision <BR>>>>>
she<BR>>>>> has made.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Lynda<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Lynda<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>>> From: Laurie
Porter<BR>>>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org">Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A><BR>>>>>>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>>>>>> Subject:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Hi
Folks:<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> I'd like to introduce
myself. I'm a blind person from wisconsin who is<BR>>>>>>
a<BR>>>>>> fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium
is beadwork. I make<BR>>>>>> pictures and tapestries out of
tiny little seed beads sewn together<BR>>>>>>
with<BR>>>>>> thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I have always<BR>>>>>>
looked<BR>>>>>> upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> so, I have a basic
question. What is the difference between an art and<BR>>>>>>
a<BR>>>>>> craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms of
art but are all arts<BR>>>>>> considered crafts? Thanks linda
and all of you for getting this list<BR>>>>>> going as it is
something I've always dreamed of seeing in our
efforts<BR>>>>>> to<BR>>>>>> bring blind
people together who love to both create and appreciate
the<BR>>>>>> visual arts.<BR>>>>>>
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7 Feb 2014 13:26:55 -0500<BR>> From: "Patricia C. Estes" <<A
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Hooray for
"outrageous and for all of you for taking the time to <BR>>
articulate<BR>> these distinctions.<BR>> I absolutely agree and have
been an artist and crafter simultaneously. I <BR>> am<BR>> back to my
art and love the discovery of it-but I will admit, my left <BR>>
brain<BR>> does like rules and instructions-but my Girl Brain is winning!
(no put <BR>> down<BR>> to Boy Brains, just a family
joke).<BR>><BR>> Right on! Right on, Linda!<BR>> pece out<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 11:44 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous conversation,
I know. lol I better get back<BR>> to the studio before I cause a riot,
but this should be a good place for a<BR>> discussion like
this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a
fine line between the<BR>> two, it is very clear and distinct. And artist
or a crafter can take the<BR>> exact same materials, but the mind that
works with them is quite different<BR>> and the results are quite
different. It's really about "ideas" and<BR>> "concepts" and what we are
thinking about as we work, and where we go with<BR>> the materials in our
process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is a <BR>> very<BR>> fine
museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary Crafts - now, what
<BR>> is<BR>> done there, and shown there is high art. So there is
crafts and there is<BR>> CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and there is
the "Craftsman." very<BR>> distinct differences between them - and as a
sculptor you would be very<BR>> aware of this, too.<BR>><BR>> I was
so fortunate to teach in a small private college (Geneva College, <BR>>
in<BR>> western PA) where I was free to teach across disciplines, as I
have my <BR>> MFA<BR>> in painting/printmaking, and my MA in English
Literature. Because of this<BR>> background, I was very marketable for a
good position. I was able to <BR>> create<BR>> multi-discipline
courses - alway a combination of literature and art, as<BR>> well as
studio courses in painting, fiber arts, printmaking, drawing. It <BR>>
was<BR>> a dream of a job, working in interdisciplinary studies and doing
so many<BR>> projects with profs in other disciplines. I was very active
in <BR>> conferences<BR>> on interdisciplinary studies. I created an
European experience for art <BR>> and<BR>> literature students and we
lived in Austria every summer and then traveled<BR>> to other countries.
I even had an art exhibition in Austria for my <BR>> students<BR>>
every summer. They worked so hard in the studio and out on location
every<BR>> day, and at the end of the month they had a show - so much
fun. I also <BR>> did<BR>> this with Puerto Rico, and students came to
PR with me each spring as part<BR>> of their course in Puerto Rico
Culture - which I have continued to visit<BR>> every March even though I
am now retired. It bacame how we spent our <BR>> spring<BR>>
time.<BR>><BR>> OK, back to my studio where I am working my tail off
to get a piece done<BR>> today!<BR>> Lynda<BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> From: <A
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exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 9:08 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading this is<BR>> still torn I wouldn't be surprised
though since there are all sorts of<BR>> shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a friend
one day. I went off on a<BR>> tangent tangling all sorts of events
together rather randomly. They <BR>> started<BR>> laughing and saying
something akin to how do you make it from day to day.<BR>> And I said you
guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know and<BR>> follow
rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I am paid <BR>>
to<BR>> break the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already
been done.<BR>><BR>><BR>> What did you teach before you retired?
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Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by
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?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start this
group though, I am <BR>> like<BR>> you, I just came on to ask a
question about something I needed to know and<BR>> was so glad to meet
Ann who helped me with my question. I am furiously<BR>> working right now
(oops, split that infinitive!) getting work done for the<BR>> opening of
a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is called <BR>>
_Vision<BR>> and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited
vision_ It is <BR>> my<BR>> pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a
legally blind painter. It opens<BR>> one month from today, and if I stop
to think about what else has to be <BR>> done<BR>> yet, I'll get
nervous. So, I won't do that, but just will keep on working <BR>>
on<BR>> the details. The show will appear at two locations this year and
will have <BR>> a<BR>> video that plays in the gallery with the art
works, Braille labeling, and<BR>> artist's talks. I will even be teaching
in the gallery one afternoon, for<BR>> the Women in the Arts course at
Geneva College. That is where I taught <BR>> when<BR>> I was a
professor of fine arts and humanities, before I retired. I'll be<BR>>
lecturing on the historical context of my work and where the ideas have
<BR>> come<BR>> from when creating it.<BR>><BR>> To make matters
even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a<BR>> conference at
Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day<BR>> before we
hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working on<BR>> every
day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago, <BR>>
but<BR>> I am still very much involved in everything but being in the
classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here is my response to the question you have
asked. The gap between <BR>> an<BR>> artist and a crafter is like
crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some <BR>> basic<BR>> things may
be similar between the two, but most things are very far apart<BR>>
philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both work with the hands, and both love
working with the hands and<BR>> most have done it all their life.<BR>>
Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the<BR>>
satisfaction of the finished product that comes out of it.<BR>><BR>>
While the crafter will usually be satisfied with beginning something<BR>>
and knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with no notion of
<BR>> where<BR>> the end will be or even if it will be. the crafter
has a clearly defined<BR>> path to the finished product. The artist has
only some inklings of <BR>> possible<BR>> outcomes, but has to find
them as she works.<BR>><BR>> The other very big thing I see as a
difference between them is that<BR>> the crafter has 'rules" to follow
and seldom will ever deviate from those<BR>> rules, as they are set in
stone in her mind. On the other hand, the mature<BR>> artist has learned
that there are no rules at all. They may begin in the<BR>> early stages
by learning techniques, but eventually with the years of<BR>> working,
the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one day - she <BR>>
is<BR>> free of all rules when making art. Everything can be challenged,
<BR>> everything<BR>> can be changed, and everything is fair game, for
the artist. Is there any<BR>> other profession in this world where there
are no rules? It's the most<BR>> exhilerating feeling to know that there
are absolutely no rules whatsoever<BR>> for me. Wow, makes me take a deep
breath just to say it. Free, free, free,<BR>> at last!<BR>><BR>>
Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where the<BR>>
person eventually takes the techniques, I think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter
seldom takes things to a different level but is usually<BR>> content to
learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to<BR>> learn
something else and does that again with it. The artist can take <BR>>
crafts<BR>> materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques,
and then take<BR>> them far beyond because they will combine their
techniques and materials<BR>> with the imagination. If you can teach it,
it is usually a craft. If you<BR>> cannot teach it, it is normally art.
Art can begin by learning some<BR>> techniques, or using craft materials,
but then the person begins to ask <BR>> the<BR>> "what if" questions,
and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends in the<BR>> road on the way
to it becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set" that is<BR>> never
satisfied with just the learning of something new, but one that<BR>>
constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where the "end" will
<BR>> be,<BR>> or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never
understand what I have just<BR>> said and will most likely be huffing and
puffing and angry with it. An<BR>> "artist" is standing and applauding
what I have said. It is that simple, <BR>> and<BR>> that complex. The
artist thrives on change and making new discoveries and<BR>> each work
leads to other querstions and more change and more new<BR>>
discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One can see the difference when you look at
work in types of<BR>> environments. One will be setting at a craft show
with a table full of<BR>> things that are basically all the same while
the other will have work on<BR>> display in a gallery or museum. Each has
decided where they "fit" and <BR>> each<BR>> is very happy with where
they are. They are different animals, with<BR>> different ideas, and
different end results and outcomes. Each one has<BR>> decided their own
path and each one is comfortable with the decision she <BR>> has<BR>>
made.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi
Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from
wisconsin who<BR>> is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium
is beadwork. I make<BR>> pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed
beads sewn together with<BR>> thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I have always looked<BR>> upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference
between an art<BR>> and a craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms
of art but are all <BR>> arts<BR>> considered crafts? Thanks linda and
all of you for getting this list going<BR>> as it is something I?ve
always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to bring<BR>> blind people
together who love to both create and appreciate the visual<BR>>
arts.<BR>><BR>>
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7 Feb 2014 13:48:48 -0500<BR>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <<A
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To: "An exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
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Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>>
Message-ID: <0C82603A06C14829A1FDF9CA9822F0BB@Lambert><BR>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Patricia, I just
finished reading the book "The Female Brain" by Luann<BR>> Brizendine,
and OH, HOw I wish I had this wonderful information a long <BR>>
time<BR>> ago. Raising my brood of children would have been so much
easier if I had<BR>> known these things about the differences between
male and female brains.<BR>> And, my goodness, I would have been a much
better teacher, too. I would <BR>> have<BR>> a better understanding of
my fellow human beings - but at least I do<BR>> understand a lot more
about it now since reading this book. It was so<BR>> enlightening to me
and I was telling my husband all about it as we would<BR>> ride along in
the truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it is like this<BR>>
conversation we are having right now in this truck." This was his
insight<BR>> as I was rapidly sharing so much information as he sat
quietly<BR>> listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand this
conversation here in<BR>> this truck so much better." We
laughed.<BR>><BR>> Of course we are both crafters and artists - one
feeds into the other. We<BR>> all begin somewhere - and for me, it begins
with my mother taking an<BR>> afternoon to teach me how to do some
embroidery stitches and to creat a<BR>> picture on a linen tea towel - I
was probably 8 years old. Then, it<BR>> continues on with my precious
neighbor taking an hour each morning, one<BR>> summer, to teach me how to
read a pattern and how to sew a blouse, skirt,<BR>> and then an entire
outfit - I was about 10. We learn from those around us,<BR>> and how
lucky we were to have them in our life. What I do today, is an<BR>>
homage to those women in my life so long ago. I celebrate them with
every<BR>> stitch I make in my art these days. And, I say "thank you" to
them for<BR>> giving me the beginnings of who I am today, and who I am
becoming with <BR>> each<BR>> new day and each new idea I work
with.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>> <A
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----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 1:26 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hooray for "outrageous and for all of you
for taking the time to<BR>> articulate these distinctions.<BR>> I
absolutely agree and have been an artist and crafter simultaneously.
I<BR>> am back to my art and love the discovery of it-but I will admit,
my left<BR>> brain does like rules and instructions-but my Girl Brain is
winning! (no <BR>> put<BR>> down to Boy Brains, just a family
joke).<BR>><BR>> Right on! Right on, Linda!<BR>> pece out<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 11:44 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous conversation,
I know. lol I better get<BR>> back to the studio before I cause a riot,
but this should be a good place<BR>> for a discussion like
this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a
fine line between <BR>> the<BR>> two, it is very clear and distinct.
And artist or a crafter can take the<BR>> exact same materials, but the
mind that works with them is quite different<BR>> and the results are
quite different. It's really about "ideas" and<BR>> "concepts" and what
we are thinking about as we work, and where we go with<BR>> the materials
in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is a <BR>>
very<BR>> fine museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary Crafts -
now, what <BR>> is<BR>> done there, and shown there is high art. So
there is crafts and there is<BR>> CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and
there is the "Craftsman." very<BR>> distinct differences between them -
and as a sculptor you would be very<BR>> aware of this,
too.<BR>><BR>> I was so fortunate to teach in a small private college
(Geneva College,<BR>> in western PA) where I was free to teach across
disciplines, as I have my<BR>> MFA in painting/printmaking, and my MA in
English Literature. Because of<BR>> this background, I was very
marketable for a good position. I was able to<BR>> create
multi-discipline courses - alway a combination of literature and <BR>>
art,<BR>> as well as studio courses in painting, fiber arts, printmaking,
drawing. <BR>> It<BR>> was a dream of a job, working in
interdisciplinary studies and doing so <BR>> many<BR>> projects with
profs in other disciplines. I was very active in <BR>>
conferences<BR>> on interdisciplinary studies. I created an European
experience for art <BR>> and<BR>> literature students and we lived in
Austria every summer and then traveled<BR>> to other countries. I even
had an art exhibition in Austria for my <BR>> students<BR>> every
summer. They worked so hard in the studio and out on location every<BR>>
day, and at the end of the month they had a show - so much fun. I also
<BR>> did<BR>> this with Puerto Rico, and students came to PR with me
each spring as part<BR>> of their course in Puerto Rico Culture - which I
have continued to visit<BR>> every March even though I am now retired. It
bacame how we spent our <BR>> spring<BR>> time.<BR>><BR>> OK,
back to my studio where I am working my tail off to get a piece <BR>>
done<BR>> today!<BR>> Lynda<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com">Ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 9:08 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading this <BR>> is<BR>> still torn I wouldn't be
surprised though since there are all sorts of<BR>> shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a friend
one day. I went off on a<BR>> tangent tangling all sorts of events
together rather randomly. They <BR>> started<BR>> laughing and saying
something akin to how do you make it from day to day.<BR>> And I said you
guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know and<BR>> follow
rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I am paid <BR>>
to<BR>> break the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already
been done.<BR>><BR>><BR>> What did you teach before you retired?
Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann Cunningham<BR>> Tactile Art - a creative
way to see the world!<BR>> 303 238 4760<BR>> <A
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arts or crafts new member<BR>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <<A
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Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by
and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
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?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start this
group though, I am<BR>> like you, I just came on to ask a question about
something I needed to <BR>> know<BR>> and was so glad to meet Ann who
helped me with my question. I am <BR>> furiously<BR>> working right
now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work done for the<BR>> opening
of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is called <BR>>
_Vision<BR>> and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited
vision_ It is <BR>> my<BR>> pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a
legally blind painter. It opens<BR>> one month from today, and if I stop
to think about what else has to be <BR>> done<BR>> yet, I'll get
nervous. So, I won't do that, but just will keep on working <BR>>
on<BR>> the details. The show will appear at two locations this year and
will have <BR>> a<BR>> video that plays in the gallery with the art
works, Braille labeling, and<BR>> artist's talks. I will even be teaching
in the gallery one afternoon, for<BR>> the Women in the Arts course at
Geneva College. That is where I taught <BR>> when<BR>> I was a
professor of fine arts and humanities, before I retired. I'll be<BR>>
lecturing on the historical context of my work and where the ideas have
<BR>> come<BR>> from when creating it.<BR>><BR>> To make matters
even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a<BR>> conference at
Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day<BR>> before we
hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working on<BR>> every
day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago, <BR>>
but<BR>> I am still very much involved in everything but being in the
classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here is my response to the question you have
asked. The gap between<BR>> an artist and a crafter is like crossing the
ocean, it is that wide. Some<BR>> basic things may be similar between the
two, but most things are very far<BR>> apart
philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both work with the hands, and both love
working with the hands and<BR>> most have done it all their life.<BR>>
Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the<BR>>
satisfaction of the finished product that comes out of it.<BR>><BR>>
While the crafter will usually be satisfied with beginning <BR>>
something<BR>> and knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with
no notion of <BR>> where<BR>> the end will be or even if it will be.
the crafter has a clearly defined<BR>> path to the finished product. The
artist has only some inklings of <BR>> possible<BR>> outcomes, but has
to find them as she works.<BR>><BR>> The other very big thing I see as
a difference between them is that<BR>> the crafter has 'rules" to follow
and seldom will ever deviate from those<BR>> rules, as they are set in
stone in her mind. On the other hand, the mature<BR>> artist has learned
that there are no rules at all. They may begin in the<BR>> early stages
by learning techniques, but eventually with the years of<BR>> working,
the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one day - she <BR>>
is<BR>> free of all rules when making art. Everything can be challenged,
<BR>> everything<BR>> can be changed, and everything is fair game, for
the artist. Is there any<BR>> other profession in this world where there
are no rules? It's the most<BR>> exhilerating feeling to know that there
are absolutely no rules whatsoever<BR>> for me. Wow, makes me take a deep
breath just to say it. Free, free, free,<BR>> at last!<BR>><BR>>
Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where the<BR>>
person eventually takes the techniques, I think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter
seldom takes things to a different level but is usually<BR>> content to
learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to<BR>> learn
something else and does that again with it. The artist can take <BR>>
crafts<BR>> materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques,
and then take<BR>> them far beyond because they will combine their
techniques and materials<BR>> with the imagination. If you can teach it,
it is usually a craft. If you<BR>> cannot teach it, it is normally art.
Art can begin by learning some<BR>> techniques, or using craft materials,
but then the person begins to ask <BR>> the<BR>> "what if" questions,
and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends in the<BR>> road on the way
to it becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set" that is<BR>> never
satisfied with just the learning of something new, but one that<BR>>
constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where the "end" will
<BR>> be,<BR>> or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never
understand what I have just<BR>> said and will most likely be huffing and
puffing and angry with it. An<BR>> "artist" is standing and applauding
what I have said. It is that simple, <BR>> and<BR>> that complex. The
artist thrives on change and making new discoveries and<BR>> each work
leads to other querstions and more change and more new<BR>>
discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One can see the difference when you look at
work in types of<BR>> environments. One will be setting at a craft show
with a table full of<BR>> things that are basically all the same while
the other will have work on<BR>> display in a gallery or museum. Each has
decided where they "fit" and <BR>> each<BR>> is very happy with where
they are. They are different animals, with<BR>> different ideas, and
different end results and outcomes. Each one has<BR>> decided their own
path and each one is comfortable with the decision she <BR>> has<BR>>
made.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Laurie Porter<BR>> To: <A
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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi
Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from
wisconsin<BR>> who is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium
is beadwork. I<BR>> make pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed
beads sewn together<BR>> with thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I have always<BR>> looked upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference
between an <BR>> art<BR>> and a craft? I do believe that all crafts
are forms of art but are all <BR>> arts<BR>> considered crafts? Thanks
linda and all of you for getting this list going<BR>> as it is something
I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to bring<BR>> blind people
together who love to both create and appreciate the visual<BR>>
arts.<BR>><BR>>
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7 Feb 2014 20:54:43 -0500<BR>> From: "Patricia C. Estes" <<A
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Linda, the brain
is so fascinating-or is it the mind?? My first real<BR>> understanding of
it (before I studied holistic psychology and energy<BR>> medicine) was
when our youngest was caught doing something or other that<BR>> five year
olds do, and he burst into tears and managed to blurt out<BR>>
emphatically, "My girl brain made me do it!"<BR>> Yes, Luke, I know what
you mean! But he didn't go to school, yet, and we<BR>> didn't have a
TV...I think he just *knew*.<BR>> Dr. Christian Northrop teaches about
the female brain, too. Her example is<BR>> that she and her, then,
husband were flying somewhere and she noticed that<BR>> she was reading
"Enriching the Mother/Daughter Relationship" and he was<BR>> reading "How
to get the most out of your Band Saw."<BR>> To bring art into this, I am
sure you are familiar with the book,"Drawing <BR>> on<BR>> the Right
side of the Brain." Pretty fascinating, if one has time to<BR>>
complicate one's life by experimenting with drawing things upside
down.<BR>> Energetically, if you want to engage both hemispheres, Brain
Gym says to<BR>> "think of an X." And to relax the mind, think of two
parallel lines.<BR>><BR>> OK, I'm taking my parallel lines and heading
to bed,<BR>> Patty<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From:
Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind
persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:48 PM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>>
Patricia, I just finished reading the book "The Female Brain" by
Luann<BR>> Brizendine, and OH, HOw I wish I had this wonderful
information a long <BR>> time<BR>> ago. Raising my brood of children
would have been so much easier if I had<BR>> known these things about the
differences between male and female brains.<BR>> And, my goodness, I
would have been a much better teacher, too. I would <BR>> have<BR>> a
better understanding of my fellow human beings - but at least I do<BR>>
understand a lot more about it now since reading this book. It was
so<BR>> enlightening to me and I was telling my husband all about it as
we would<BR>> ride along in the truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it
is like this<BR>> conversation we are having right now in this truck."
This was his insight<BR>> as I was rapidly sharing so much information as
he sat quietly<BR>> listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand this
conversation here in<BR>> this truck so much better." We
laughed.<BR>><BR>> Of course we are both crafters and artists - one
feeds into the other. We<BR>> all begin somewhere - and for me, it begins
with my mother taking an<BR>> afternoon to teach me how to do some
embroidery stitches and to creat a<BR>> picture on a linen tea towel - I
was probably 8 years old. Then, it<BR>> continues on with my precious
neighbor taking an hour each morning, one<BR>> summer, to teach me how to
read a pattern and how to sew a blouse, skirt,<BR>> and then an entire
outfit - I was about 10. We learn from those around us,<BR>> and how
lucky we were to have them in our life. What I do today, is an<BR>>
homage to those women in my life so long ago. I celebrate them with
every<BR>> stitch I make in my art these days. And, I say "thank you" to
them for<BR>> giving me the beginnings of who I am today, and who I am
becoming with <BR>> each<BR>> new day and each new idea I work
with.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>> <BR>> <A
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----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 1:26 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hooray for "outrageous and for all of you
for taking the time to<BR>> articulate these distinctions.<BR>> I
absolutely agree and have been an artist and crafter simultaneously.
<BR>> I<BR>> am back to my art and love the discovery of it-but I will
admit, my left<BR>> brain does like rules and instructions-but my Girl
Brain is winning! (no <BR>> put<BR>> down to Boy Brains, just a family
joke).<BR>><BR>> Right on! Right on, Linda!<BR>> pece out<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February
07, 2014 11:44 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous conversation,
I know. lol I better get<BR>> back to the studio before I cause a riot,
but this should be a good place<BR>> for a discussion like
this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a
fine line between<BR>> the two, it is very clear and distinct. And artist
or a crafter can take <BR>> the<BR>> exact same materials, but the
mind that works with them is quite different<BR>> and the results are
quite different. It's really about "ideas" and<BR>> "concepts" and what
we are thinking about as we work, and where we go with<BR>> the materials
in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is a <BR>>
very<BR>> fine museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary Crafts -
now, what <BR>> is<BR>> done there, and shown there is high art. So
there is crafts and there is<BR>> CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and
there is the "Craftsman." very<BR>> distinct differences between them -
and as a sculptor you would be very<BR>> aware of this,
too.<BR>><BR>> I was so fortunate to teach in a small private college
(Geneva<BR>> College, in western PA) where I was free to teach across
disciplines, as <BR>> I<BR>> have my MFA in painting/printmaking, and
my MA in English Literature.<BR>> Because of this background, I was very
marketable for a good position. I<BR>> was able to create
multi-discipline courses - alway a combination of<BR>> literature and
art, as well as studio courses in painting, fiber arts,<BR>> printmaking,
drawing. It was a dream of a job, working in <BR>>
interdisciplinary<BR>> studies and doing so many projects with profs in
other disciplines. I was<BR>> very active in conferences on
interdisciplinary studies. I created an<BR>> European experience for art
and literature students and we lived in <BR>> Austria<BR>> every
summer and then traveled to other countries. I even had an art<BR>>
exhibition in Austria for my students every summer. They worked so hard
<BR>> in<BR>> the studio and out on location every day, and at the end
of the month they<BR>> had a show - so much fun. I also did this with
Puerto Rico, and students<BR>> came to PR with me each spring as part of
their course in Puerto Rico<BR>> Culture - which I have continued to
visit every March even though I am now<BR>> retired. It bacame how we
spent our spring time.<BR>><BR>> OK, back to my studio where I am
working my tail off to get a piece<BR>> done today!<BR>> Lynda<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <A
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07, 2014 9:08 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts
new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading this<BR>> is still torn I wouldn't be surprised
though since there are all sorts of<BR>> shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a friend
one day. I went off on a<BR>> tangent tangling all sorts of events
together rather randomly. They <BR>> started<BR>> laughing and saying
something akin to how do you make it from day to day.<BR>> And I said you
guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know and<BR>> follow
rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist and I am paid <BR>>
to<BR>> break the rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already
been done.<BR>><BR>><BR>> What did you teach before you retired?
Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann Cunningham<BR>> Tactile Art - a creative
way to see the world!<BR>> 303 238 4760<BR>> <A
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Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by
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?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start this
group though, I am<BR>> like you, I just came on to ask a question about
something I needed to <BR>> know<BR>> and was so glad to meet Ann who
helped me with my question. I am <BR>> furiously<BR>> working right
now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work done for the<BR>> opening
of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is called <BR>>
_Vision<BR>> and Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited
vision_ It is <BR>> my<BR>> pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a
legally blind painter. It opens<BR>> one month from today, and if I stop
to think about what else has to be <BR>> done<BR>> yet, I'll get
nervous. So, I won't do that, but just will keep on working <BR>>
on<BR>> the details. The show will appear at two locations this year and
will have <BR>> a<BR>> video that plays in the gallery with the art
works, Braille labeling, and<BR>> artist's talks. I will even be teaching
in the gallery one afternoon, for<BR>> the Women in the Arts course at
Geneva College. That is where I taught <BR>> when<BR>> I was a
professor of fine arts and humanities, before I retired. I'll be<BR>>
lecturing on the historical context of my work and where the ideas have
<BR>> come<BR>> from when creating it.<BR>><BR>> To make matters
even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a<BR>> conference at
Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day<BR>> before we
hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working on<BR>> every
day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago, <BR>>
but<BR>> I am still very much involved in everything but being in the
classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here is my response to the question you have
asked. The gap<BR>> between an artist and a crafter is like crossing the
ocean, it is that <BR>> wide.<BR>> Some basic things may be similar
between the two, but most things are very<BR>> far apart
philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both work with the hands, and both love
working with the hands <BR>> and<BR>> most have done it all their
life.<BR>> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and
the<BR>> satisfaction of the finished product that comes out of
it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with
beginning<BR>> something and knowing where the end will be, the artist
begins with no<BR>> notion of where the end will be or even if it will
be. the crafter has a<BR>> clearly defined path to the finished product.
The artist has only some<BR>> inklings of possible outcomes, but has to
find them as she works.<BR>><BR>> The other very big thing I see as a
difference between them is<BR>> that the crafter has 'rules" to follow
and seldom will ever deviate from<BR>> those rules, as they are set in
stone in her mind. On the other hand, the<BR>> mature artist has learned
that there are no rules at all. They may begin <BR>> in<BR>> the early
stages by learning techniques, but eventually with the years of<BR>>
working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one day - she
<BR>> is<BR>> free of all rules when making art. Everything can be
challenged, <BR>> everything<BR>> can be changed, and everything is
fair game, for the artist. Is there any<BR>> other profession in this
world where there are no rules? It's the most<BR>> exhilerating feeling
to know that there are absolutely no rules whatsoever<BR>> for me. Wow,
makes me take a deep breath just to say it. Free, free, free,<BR>> at
last!<BR>><BR>> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft
is where<BR>> the person eventually takes the techniques, I
think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter seldom takes things to a different level
but is usually<BR>> content to learn something then duplicate it
endlessly, then moves on to<BR>> learn something else and does that again
with it. The artist can take <BR>> crafts<BR>> materials (which is
what you and I both do) and techniques, and then take<BR>> them far
beyond because they will combine their techniques and materials<BR>> with
the imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a craft. If you<BR>>
cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by learning some<BR>>
techniques, or using craft materials, but then the person begins to ask
<BR>> the<BR>> "what if" questions, and takes lots of risks, failures,
and bends in the<BR>> road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is
a "mind set" that is<BR>> never satisfied with just the learning of
something new, but one that<BR>> constantly questions, experiments, and
never knows where the "end" will <BR>> be,<BR>> or even if it will be.
A "crafter" will never understand what I have just<BR>> said and will
most likely be huffing and puffing and angry with it. An<BR>> "artist" is
standing and applauding what I have said. It is that simple, <BR>>
and<BR>> that complex. The artist thrives on change and making new
discoveries and<BR>> each work leads to other querstions and more change
and more new<BR>> discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One can see the difference
when you look at work in types of<BR>> environments. One will be setting
at a craft show with a table full of<BR>> things that are basically all
the same while the other will have work on<BR>> display in a gallery or
museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and <BR>> each<BR>> is very
happy with where they are. They are different animals, with<BR>>
different ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one
has<BR>> decided their own path and each one is comfortable with the
decision she <BR>> has<BR>> made.<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message
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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi
Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from
wisconsin<BR>> who is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium
is beadwork. I<BR>> make pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed
beads sewn together<BR>> with thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I have always<BR>> looked upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the difference
between an<BR>> art and a craft? I do believe that all crafts are forms
of art but are <BR>> all<BR>> arts considered crafts? Thanks linda and
all of you for getting this list<BR>> going as it is something I?ve
always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to<BR>> bring blind people
together who love to both create and appreciate the<BR>> visual
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