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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 09, 2014 7:26
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Artists-making-art] {Spam?} RE:
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<DIV>Brava for you Lynda! It is so exciting to hear you are really taking on
your dreams head on. I would be very happy for you to share my info with
others. If you want to send me your snail mail address off list I would be
happy to send you a board. I would like to hear if it seems like a useful tool
to you. I am so happy you are on this list you are really keeping it jumping.
All the best, Ann</DIV>
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<DIV id=wmQuoteWrapper>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] Artists-making-art Digest, Vol 16,<BR>Issue 6<BR>From:
"Lynda Lambert" <<A
href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net">llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>Date:
Sun, February 09, 2014 4:19 pm<BR>To: "An exploration of art by and for
blind persons"<BR><<A
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Ann, this is so interesting to me!
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>I am creating a handout for my audience when I
deliver the two conference presentations in March. I would love to include
your information on the drawing boards with link to it, if that would be ok
with you. I will be speaking to a general academic audience at the
university, students, and of course art majors and art profs. who could
greatly profit from this information. May I do this with your
permission? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>I have been working on my presentations every
day, developing them and this is something that is breaking ground for me,
as well, as I have never done an academic presentation since my sight loss.
Prior to that, I lectured regularly in the university in Humanities, English
Literature, Communications, and taught studio art courses. I thought I would
never again be capable of doing such presentations - and I am awake at night
thinking about what I am about to do - worrying about details, etc.
This will be the first time I have ever lectured from my memory, with just a
few stepping-stone notes from my Milestone. Normally, I did power
point presentations, and I am going to re-learn how to do this again, as I
know I will be doing more presentations in the future. I want to begin
preparing for it. I do not read Braille, as I chose to concentrate on doing
my art and put all my efforts into that, rather than into learning
Braille which would have taken me away from the studio and I am not
willing to ever give up studio time for any reason. Day by day, I am honing
in on my presentation and I know I will be fully prepared and confident when
the day arrives, March 4th, and I am speaking to my audience. I have always
loved lecturing and doing academic presentations at academic conferences -
so even though I am a bit nervous about it, I am very excited to be back to
what I love to do once again. My next goal, after I get through this,
is to relearn how to do power point presentations again and to begin to
develop them. Little by little, step by step, we go forward.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Your drawing classes make se so excited because
I know that drawing is the core of everything - absolutely everything.
Thank God for Betty Edwards! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Lynda</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=artists-making-art@nfbnet.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 09, 2014 5:51
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the Colorado Center for the Blind, we have focused on drawing for the last
year. That does not mean that anyone has had a year of instruction but
that everyone in the program now graduates with 12 hours of drawing along
with all the other requirements for graduation. </DIV>
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student finish up his forth week of instruction, each class is three
hours, this Friday. It was remarkable to see what he was able to achieve
in that short amount of time. He has been blind since birth and had never
drawn before and by the end he was drawing images of people in earth
houses from his research and experimentation with symbols. Canes getting
stuck in snow from experience and an explanation of snow crystals. German
Shepard and panda bears, from models. And a Camero car from his own
experience and a sketch I made for him that he studied and then used for
his interpretation. He derived a lot of joy from drawing and clearly found
that this is an expressive art form that is a great match for him.</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Students
use the Sensational BlackBoard to create their raised line drawings.
Complete disclosure, I make and sell these raised line drawing boards
because I needed them for our classes. They are designed to use regular
copy paper, a penny apiece, but you can use the plastic papers if you
like, about 25 cents a sheet. I like to use 100% cotton vellum, it is a
little more expensive around 7 cents a sheet, but it is so smooth and
fluid to draw on I think it is the most fun. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">In our class we work on expressing
emotions as well Approximate Persepctive™</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">a method of organizing perspective pictures that
has developed over the years at the Center, since 1999. The expressing
emotions classes were inspired by Dr. Betty Edward's book Drawing on the
Artist Within. The perspective concepts are all based in experience not
theory.</SPAN></DIV>
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Re: [Artists-making-art] Artists-making-art Digest, Vol 16,<BR>Issue
6<BR>From: "Lynda Lambert" <<A
href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>Date: Sat, February
08, 2014 5:03 pm<BR>To: "An exploration of art by and for blind
persons"<BR><<A href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR><BR>As a drawing
teacher, I understood that if my sighted students did not <BR>understand
the object they were drawing by using all their senses, then they
<BR>did not understand that thing at all. Because the sense of sight is
so <BR>powerful and takes over all the other senses, a sighted person
just takes a <BR>very quick glance at things and THINKS she understands
it and she does not <BR>at all. The drawing will be merely superficial
and will not show the <BR>nuances of it, as it is in space, it's weight,
etc. When blindfolded, the <BR>student begins to understand the object
on deeper levels of understanding. <BR>What happens is that by relying
only on sight, the student cannot really SEE <BR>a thing at all - but
they think they can. So blindfolding the student had <BR>nothing to do
with how a blind person experiences the thing, it had to do <BR>with
really SEEING the thing. Seeing is something that is experienced over a
<BR>very long period of time - it required that the person slow way
down, and <BR>focus on the moment in time as they touch the object - and
they are at the <BR>same time, learning how it really looks. Sight alone
cannot do this for us. <BR>This is very interesting to me because I had
never been around a blind person <BR>in my life, with the exception of
two different people whom I had only very <BR>limited time with. I would
not have made the connection between sight loss <BR>and the drawing
experience at that time at all. Only in hind sight, after <BR>my own
sight loss, can I truly understand how important these lessons
were.<BR><BR>Lynda<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Laurie
Porter" <<A href="mailto:free.spirit1@live.com"
target=_blank>free.spirit1@live.com</A>><BR>To: <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>Sent: Saturday,
February 08, 2014 6:40 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art]
Artists-making-art Digest, Vol 16, Issue 6<BR><BR><BR>> The idea that
all children blind or sighted can draw pictures fascinates <BR>> me.
I was legally blind all my life until 2003 when I lost all my sight.
<BR>> both of my parents were blind, and I recall them never knowing
how to <BR>> draw anything However, fundimentally all children, blind
or sighted learn <BR>> basics like drawing a circle or square then
later other shapes. I might <BR>> have been a better drawer if I had
access to tactual shapes. I was <BR>> encouraged to use my vision to
do everything but my parents lacked the <BR>> ability to teach me how
to process things visually which comes to all <BR>> children at a
very early age. this is a very interesting <BR>> sight, -----Original
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Message: 1<BR>> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 08:56:25 -0500<BR>> From:
"Lynda Lambert" <<A href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>> To: "An
exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] drawing the internal dialogue<BR>> Message-ID:
<2E945A7FA30F4110A726835349F4841D@Lambert><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Patricia, you bring up the
most fascinating things. This is another one of <BR>> those things
that is so enjoyable to think about. Drawing! We do not need <BR>>
sight to draw, I am absolutely sure of that. In fact, in many of my
<BR>> drawing courses, I had students draw blindfolded. They had to
feel the <BR>> objects, then return to the easel to do their
drawings. They could walk <BR>> over to feel it as often as they
liked during the process, but they were <BR>> not permitted to have a
physical "look" at it with the eyes. The drawings <BR>> they made
were astounding - so full of livingness and so magical. You are <BR>>
making me remember those things that I had not thought of for a very
long <BR>> time - and this is great for me because I am going to be a
speaker at a <BR>> conference on disabilities and inclusion in March,
and this is exactly <BR>> what I needed to be thinking about as I
prep for that lecture.<BR>><BR>> If anyone else has some examples
of experiences for me, that I could share <BR>> with the audience,
please let me know. I want to really make my audience <BR>>
understand that blind people have the same passions for art and art
making <BR>> as anyone else. We just have to learn adaptive ways of
working, but we can <BR>> do it, and we love to do it and it brings
us great joy.<BR>><BR>> yes, I used Drawing From the Right Side of
the Brain as a textbook for <BR>> Drawing courses at the college! I
also used "The Natural Way to Draw" by <BR>> Nicolaides. I have
worked my way through both of these books for years on <BR>> end.
Drawing is the core of everything we do as artists and without a good
<BR>> foundation in drawing, it's difficult to move on - it is the
structure on <BR>> which we build everything else no matter the
medium we work with. Drawing <BR>> puts us in touch with the internal
dialogue and we become more aware and <BR>> connected with the object
we are drawing.<BR>><BR>> The interesting thing about drawing, to
me, has always been that all <BR>> children seem to know how to draw
by instinct. How does that "fit" in your <BR>> experience, Patricia?
I have never encountered a child who did not know <BR>> how to draw
and make pictures - I have always thought we are born with <BR>>
these abilities. I think a child born blind would have this same
<BR>> inclination, if provided with the tools and opportunities early
on, but <BR>> that is a guess on my part. I would love to know more
about this by <BR>> someone who has had the experience as a very
small child without sight. <BR>> Drawing is more, far more, than the
thing that is left on the page after <BR>> the person has made it. It
is a whole body experience - physical and <BR>> spiritual experience,
in my experiences. So, it seems to me that no sight <BR>> is needed
to make drawings. I like to say, about my own work, that the <BR>>
"thing that is on display on the gallery wall is the residue left behind
<BR>> as I was making art." It is not the art itself, it is the
tracks that <BR>> show I was there. The art was what transpired
within me as I worked on it <BR>> and the piece in the gallery is the
evidence that I was there.<BR>><BR>> I have to say that without my
extensive drawing background, I would not be <BR>> who I am today as
a blind person. I have a small amount of peripheral <BR>> vision that
is enough that I can detect movement. Those movements are <BR>>
"gestures" and it is through the gestures around me that I navigate the
<BR>> world and that I identify people and things. It is the essence
of <BR>> everything - gesture. When I am making my art these days, it
is because I <BR>> am accustomed to using gesture and can continue to
do that without sight. <BR>> Touch is gesture, and that is how I
understand what I touch. I feel it's <BR>> internal and external
gesture.<BR>><BR>> OH, that is so funny about your 5 year old's
comment about using his "girl <BR>> brain." This is what I found so
fascinating when I was reading this book, <BR>> that the entire
structure of the brain is very different in males and <BR>> females.
Each individual part of the brain is different between the <BR>>
sexes - so it is a physical as well as psychological difference. She
<BR>> explored many different nuances that really helped me as a
blind person as <BR>> well, as I was reading. It gave me new insight
into different aspects we <BR>> encounter due to sight loss. I would
highly recommend it to anyone who has <BR>> interest in learning more
about how the brain functions, and it is <BR>> explored in a way that
a non-science person like me coulnd understand and <BR>>
enjoy.<BR>><BR>> This is all certainly another aspect of the
discussion on difference <BR>> between art and crafts thought process
and ways of "seeing." Lynda<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>> To: An exploration of art by
and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 8:54
PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Linda, the brain is so fascinating-or is
it the mind?? My first real <BR>> understanding of it (before I
studied holistic psychology and energy <BR>> medicine) was when our
youngest was caught doing something or other that <BR>> five year
olds do, and he burst into tears and managed to blurt out <BR>>
emphatically, "My girl brain made me do it!"<BR>> Yes, Luke, I know
what you mean! But he didn't go to school, yet, and we <BR>> didn't
have a TV...I think he just *knew*.<BR>> Dr. Christian Northrop
teaches about the female brain, too. Her example <BR>> is that she
and her, then, husband were flying somewhere and she noticed <BR>>
that she was reading "Enriching the Mother/Daughter Relationship" and he
<BR>> was reading "How to get the most out of your Band Saw."<BR>>
To bring art into this, I am sure you are familiar with the
book,"Drawing <BR>> on the Right side of the Brain." Pretty
fascinating, if one has time to <BR>> complicate one's life by
experimenting with drawing things upside down.<BR>> Energetically, if
you want to engage both hemispheres, Brain Gym says to <BR>> "think
of an X." And to relax the mind, think of two parallel
lines.<BR>><BR>> OK, I'm taking my parallel lines and heading to
bed,<BR>> Patty<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From:
Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind
persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:48 PM<BR>> Subject:
Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Patricia, I just finished reading the
book "The Female Brain" by Luann <BR>> Brizendine, and OH, HOw I wish
I had this wonderful information a long <BR>> time ago. Raising my
brood of children would have been so much easier if I <BR>> had known
these things about the differences between male and female <BR>>
brains. And, my goodness, I would have been a much better teacher, too.
I <BR>> would have a better understanding of my fellow human beings -
but at least <BR>> I do understand a lot more about it now since
reading this book. It was so <BR>> enlightening to me and I was
telling my husband all about it as we would <BR>> ride along in the
truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it is like this <BR>>
conversation we are having right now in this truck." This was his
insight <BR>> as I was rapidly sharing so much information as he sat
quietly <BR>> listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand this
conversation here in <BR>> this truck so much better." We
laughed.<BR>><BR>> Of course we are both crafters and artists -
one feeds into the other. <BR>> We all begin somewhere - and for me,
it begins with my mother taking an <BR>> afternoon to teach me how to
do some embroidery stitches and to creat a <BR>> picture on a linen
tea towel - I was probably 8 years old. Then, it <BR>> continues on
with my precious neighbor taking an hour each morning, one <BR>>
summer, to teach me how to read a pattern and how to sew a blouse,
skirt, <BR>> and then an entire outfit - I was about 10. We learn
from those around us, <BR>> and how lucky we were to have them in our
life. What I do today, is an <BR>> homage to those women in my life
so long ago. I celebrate them with every <BR>> stitch I make in my
art these days. And, I say "thank you" to them for <BR>> giving me
the beginnings of who I am today, and who I am becoming with <BR>>
each new day and each new idea I work with.<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>> <BR>> <A
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----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>>
To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday,
February 07, 2014 1:26 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts
or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hooray for "outrageous and
for all of you for taking the time to <BR>> articulate these
distinctions.<BR>> I absolutely agree and have been an artist and
crafter <BR>> simultaneously. I am back to my art and love the
discovery of it-but I <BR>> will admit, my left brain does like rules
and instructions-but my Girl <BR>> Brain is winning! (no put down to
Boy Brains, just a family joke).<BR>><BR>> Right on! Right on,
Linda!<BR>> pece out<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind
persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:44 AM<BR>>
Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous conversation,
I know. lol I better <BR>> get back to the studio before I cause a
riot, but this should be a good <BR>> place for a discussion like
this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a
fine line <BR>> between the two, it is very clear and distinct. And
artist or a crafter <BR>> can take the exact same materials, but the
mind that works with them is <BR>> quite different and the results
are quite different. It's really about <BR>> "ideas" and "concepts"
and what we are thinking about as we work, and <BR>> where we go with
the materials in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, <BR>> PA
there is a very fine museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary
<BR>> Crafts - now, what is done there, and shown there is high art.
So there is <BR>> crafts and there is CRAFT, too. There is the
"crafter" and there is the <BR>> "Craftsman." very distinct
differences between them - and as a sculptor <BR>> you would be very
aware of this, too.<BR>><BR>> I was so fortunate to teach in a
small private college (Geneva <BR>> College, in western PA) where I
was free to teach across disciplines, as <BR>> I have my MFA in
painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature. <BR>> Because
of this background, I was very marketable for a good position. I
<BR>> was able to create multi-discipline courses - alway a
combination of <BR>> literature and art, as well as studio courses in
painting, fiber arts, <BR>> printmaking, drawing. It was a dream of a
job, working in <BR>> interdisciplinary studies and doing so many
projects with profs in other <BR>> disciplines. I was very active in
conferences on interdisciplinary <BR>> studies. I created an European
experience for art and literature <BR>> students and we lived in
Austria every summer and then traveled to other <BR>> countries. I
even had an art exhibition in Austria for my students every <BR>>
summer. They worked so hard in the studio and out on location every day,
<BR>> and at the end of the month they had a show - so much fun. I
also did <BR>> this with Puerto Rico, and students came to PR with me
each spring as part <BR>> of their course in Puerto Rico Culture -
which I have continued to visit <BR>> every March even though I am
now retired. It bacame how we spent our <BR>> spring
time.<BR>><BR>> OK, back to my studio where I am working my tail
off to get a piece <BR>> done today!<BR>> Lynda<BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>Ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> To: An exploration of art
by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:08
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading <BR>> this is still torn I wouldn't be
surprised though since there are all <BR>> sorts of shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a
friend one day. I went off on <BR>> a tangent tangling all sorts of
events together rather randomly. They <BR>> started laughing and
saying something akin to how do you make it from day <BR>> to day.
And I said you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you
<BR>> know and follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an
artist and I <BR>> am paid to break the rules. No one wants to hear
from me if it has already <BR>> been done.<BR>><BR>><BR>>
What did you teach before you retired? Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann
Cunningham<BR>> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the
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-------- Original Message --------<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>> From: "Lynda
Lambert" <<A href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>> Date: Fri,
February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by and for
blind persons"<BR>> <<A
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target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start
this group though, I <BR>> am like you, I just came on to ask a
question about something I needed to <BR>> know and was so glad to
meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am <BR>> furiously working
right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work <BR>> done for
the opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is
<BR>> called _Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight,
not limited <BR>> vision_ It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber
works, and a legally blind <BR>> painter. It opens one month from
today, and if I stop to think about what <BR>> else has to be done
yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but just <BR>> will keep
on working on the details. The show will appear at two locations
<BR>> this year and will have a video that plays in the gallery with
the art <BR>> works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will
even be teaching in <BR>> the gallery one afternoon, for the Women in
the Arts course at Geneva <BR>> College. That is where I taught when
I was a professor of fine arts and <BR>> humanities, before I
retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical context <BR>> of my work
and where the ideas have come from when creating it.<BR>><BR>> To
make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at <BR>> a
conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day
<BR>> before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be
working on <BR>> every day now, too. I officially retired from
teaching 5 1/2 years ago, <BR>> but I am still very much involved in
everything but being in the <BR>> classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here is
my response to the question you have asked. The gap <BR>> between an
artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that <BR>>
wide. Some basic things may be similar between the two, but most things
<BR>> are very far apart philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both work
with the hands, and both love working with the hands <BR>> and most
have done it all their life.<BR>> Both love the materials, and the
handling of them, and the <BR>> satisfaction of the finished product
that comes out of it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter will usually be
satisfied with beginning <BR>> something and knowing where the end
will be, the artist begins with no <BR>> notion of where the end will
be or even if it will be. the crafter has a <BR>> clearly defined
path to the finished product. The artist has only some <BR>> inklings
of possible outcomes, but has to find them as she works.<BR>><BR>>
The other very big thing I see as a difference between them is <BR>>
that the crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from
<BR>> those rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other
hand, the <BR>> mature artist has learned that there are no rules at
all. They may begin <BR>> in the early stages by learning techniques,
but eventually with the years <BR>> of working, the light comes on in
her brain when she discovers one day - <BR>> she is free of all rules
when making art. Everything can be challenged, <BR>> everything can
be changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is <BR>>
there any other profession in this world where there are no rules? It's
<BR>> the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely
no rules <BR>> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath
just to say it. Free, <BR>> free, free, at last!<BR>><BR>>
Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where <BR>>
the person eventually takes the techniques, I think.<BR>><BR>> A
crafter seldom takes things to a different level but is <BR>> usually
content to learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves
<BR>> on to learn something else and does that again with it. The
artist can <BR>> take crafts materials (which is what you and I both
do) and techniques, <BR>> and then take them far beyond because they
will combine their techniques <BR>> and materials with the
imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a <BR>> craft. If you
cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by <BR>> learning
some techniques, or using craft materials, but then the person <BR>>
begins to ask the "what if" questions, and takes lots of risks,
failures, <BR>> and bends in the road on the way to it becoming a
work of art. It is a <BR>> "mind set" that is never satisfied with
just the learning of something <BR>> new, but one that constantly
questions, experiments, and never knows where <BR>> the "end" will
be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never <BR>> understand
what I have just said and will most likely be huffing and <BR>>
puffing and angry with it. An "artist" is standing and applauding what I
<BR>> have said. It is that simple, and that complex. The artist
thrives on <BR>> change and making new discoveries and each work
leads to other querstions <BR>> and more change and more new
discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One can see the difference when you look at
work in types of <BR>> environments. One will be setting at a craft
show with a table full of <BR>> things that are basically all the
same while the other will have work on <BR>> display in a gallery or
museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and <BR>> each is very
happy with where they are. They are different animals, with <BR>>
different ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one has
<BR>> decided their own path and each one is comfortable with the
decision she <BR>> has made.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: Laurie Porter<BR>> To: <A
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target=_blank>Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A><BR>> Sent: Thursday,
February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or
crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d
like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from <BR>> wisconsin who
is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is <BR>>
beadwork. I make pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads
<BR>> sewn together with thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I <BR>> have always looked upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the
difference between <BR>> an art and a craft? I do believe that all
crafts are forms of art but are <BR>> all arts considered crafts?
Thanks linda and all of you for getting this <BR>> list going as it
is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts <BR>> to
bring blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the
<BR>> visual arts.<BR>><BR>>
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Sat, 8 Feb 2014 09:41:10 -0600<BR>> From: "Sahar's Beaded Creations"
<<A href="mailto:sahar@inebraska.com"
target=_blank>sahar@inebraska.com</A>><BR>> To: "'An exploration
of art by and for blind persons'"<BR>> <<A
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target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] drawing the internal dialogue<BR>> Message-ID:
<024c01cf24e4$31086190$931924b0$@<A href="http://inebraska.com"
target=_blank>inebraska.com</A>><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Hello,
Lynda,<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I remember drawing as a small
child, and I really think I would have been <BR>> able to develop the
skill had that skill been cultivated. I think that <BR>> the teachers
figured blind people couldn?t draw, so I don?t remember them <BR>>
involving us in that after Kindergarten. However, that?s not why I
wrote. <BR>> I wrote because I wondered if you?d ever heard of the
totally blind <BR>> Turkish painter, Asraf. Apparently, who can paint
in vivid detail. I <BR>> find that truly fascinating. He might be
someone you might want to look <BR>> up. Take
care.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Warm regards,<BR>><BR>>
Sahar Husseini<BR>><BR>> For hand-crafted, one-of-a-kind jewelry,
please visit my Website at <BR>> <<A
href="http://www.saharscreations.com"
target=_blank>http://www.saharscreations.com</A>> <A
href="http://www.saharscreations.com"
target=_blank>www.saharscreations.com</A> Find me on <BR>> Facebook
at <<A href="http://www.facebook.com/saharscreations"
target=_blank>http://www.facebook.com/saharscreations</A>> <BR>>
<A href="http://www.facebook.com/saharscreations"
target=_blank>www.facebook.com/saharscreations</A> And remember,
"Obstacles don't have to <BR>> stop you.<BR>><BR>> If you run
into a wall, don't turn around and give up.<BR>><BR>> Figure out
how to climb it, go through it, or work around it."<BR>><BR>>
Michael Jordan<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> From:
Artists-making-art [<A
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target=_blank>mailto:artists-making-art-bounces@nfbnet.org</A>] On
<BR>> Behalf Of Lynda Lambert<BR>> Sent: Saturday, February 8,
2014 7:56 AM<BR>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind
persons<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] drawing the internal
dialogue<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Patricia, you bring up the most
fascinating things. This is another one of <BR>> those things that is
so enjoyable to think about. Drawing! We do not need <BR>> sight to
draw, I am absolutely sure of that. In fact, in many of my <BR>>
drawing courses, I had students draw blindfolded. They had to feel the
<BR>> objects, then return to the easel to do their drawings. They
could walk <BR>> over to feel it as often as they liked during the
process, but they were <BR>> not permitted to have a physical "look"
at it with the eyes. The drawings <BR>> they made were astounding -
so full of livingness and so magical. You are <BR>> making me
remember those things that I had not thought of for a very long <BR>>
time - and this is great for me because I am going to be a speaker at a
<BR>> conference on disabilities and inclusion in March, and this is
exactly <BR>> what I needed to be thinking about as I prep for that
lecture.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> If anyone else has some
examples of experiences for me, that I could share <BR>> with the
audience, please let me know. I want to really make my audience <BR>>
understand that blind people have the same passions for art and art
making <BR>> as anyone else. We just have to learn adaptive ways of
working, but we can <BR>> do it, and we love to do it and it brings
us great joy.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> yes, I used Drawing From
the Right Side of the Brain as a textbook for <BR>> Drawing courses
at the college! I also used "The Natural Way to Draw" by <BR>>
Nicolaides. I have worked my way through both of these books for years
on <BR>> end. Drawing is the core of everything we do as artists and
without a good <BR>> foundation in drawing, it's difficult to move on
- it is the structure on <BR>> which we build everything else no
matter the medium we work with. Drawing <BR>> puts us in touch with
the internal dialogue and we become more aware and <BR>> connected
with the object we are drawing.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> The
interesting thing about drawing, to me, has always been that all
<BR>> children seem to know how to draw by instinct. How does that
"fit" in your <BR>> experience, Patricia? I have never encountered a
child who did not know <BR>> how to draw and make pictures - I have
always thought we are born with <BR>> these abilities. I think a
child born blind would have this same <BR>> inclination, if provided
with the tools and opportunities early on, but <BR>> that is a guess
on my part. I would love to know more about this by <BR>> someone who
has had the experience as a very small child without sight. <BR>>
Drawing is more, far more, than the thing that is left on the page after
<BR>> the person has made it. It is a whole body experience -
physical and <BR>> spiritual experience, in my experiences. So, it
seems to me that no sight <BR>> is needed to make drawings. I like to
say, about my own work, that the <BR>> "thing that is on display on
the gallery wall is the residue left behind <BR>> as I was making
art." It is not the art itself, it is the tracks that <BR>> show I
was there. The art was what transpired within me as I worked on it
<BR>> and the piece in the gallery is the evidence that I was
there.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I have to say that without my
extensive drawing background, I would not be <BR>> who I am today as
a blind person. I have a small amount of peripheral <BR>> vision that
is enough that I can detect movement. Those movements are <BR>>
"gestures" and it is through the gestures around me that I navigate the
<BR>> world and that I identify people and things. It is the essence
of <BR>> everything - gesture. When I am making my art these days, it
is because I <BR>> am accustomed to using gesture and can continue to
do that without sight. <BR>> Touch is gesture, and that is how I
understand what I touch. I feel it's <BR>> internal and external
gesture.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> OH, that is so funny about your
5 year old's comment about using his "girl <BR>> brain." This is what
I found so fascinating when I was reading this book, <BR>> that the
entire structure of the brain is very different in males and <BR>>
females. Each individual part of the brain is different between the
<BR>> sexes - so it is a physical as well as psychological
difference. She <BR>> explored many different nuances that really
helped me as a blind person as <BR>> well, as I was reading. It gave
me new insight into different aspects we <BR>> encounter due to sight
loss. I would highly recommend it to anyone who has <BR>> interest in
learning more about how the brain functions, and it is <BR>> explored
in a way that a non-science person like me coulnd understand and
<BR>> enjoy.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> This is all certainly
another aspect of the discussion on difference <BR>> between art and
crafts thought process and ways of "seeing." Lynda<BR>><BR>> -----
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member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Linda, the brain is so
fascinating-or is it the mind?? My first real <BR>> understanding of
it (before I studied holistic psychology and energy <BR>> medicine)
was when our youngest was caught doing something or other that <BR>>
five year olds do, and he burst into tears and managed to blurt out
<BR>> emphatically, "My girl brain made me do it!"<BR>><BR>>
Yes, Luke, I know what you mean! But he didn't go to school, yet, and we
<BR>> didn't have a TV...I think he just *knew*.<BR>><BR>> Dr.
Christian Northrop teaches about the female brain, too. Her example is
<BR>> that she and her, then, husband were flying somewhere and she
noticed that <BR>> she was reading "Enriching the Mother/Daughter
Relationship" and he was <BR>> reading "How to get the most out of
your Band Saw."<BR>><BR>> To bring art into this, I am sure you
are familiar with the book,"Drawing <BR>> on the Right side of the
Brain." Pretty fascinating, if one has time to <BR>> complicate one's
life by experimenting with drawing things upside down.<BR>><BR>>
Energetically, if you want to engage both hemispheres, Brain Gym says to
<BR>> "think of an X." And to relax the mind, think of two parallel
lines.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> OK, I'm taking my parallel lines
and heading to bed,<BR>><BR>> Patty<BR>><BR>> ----- Original
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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:48 PM<BR>><BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Patricia, I just finished reading
the book "The Female Brain" by Luann <BR>> Brizendine, and OH, HOw I
wish I had this wonderful information a long <BR>> time ago. Raising
my brood of children would have been so much easier if I <BR>> had
known these things about the differences between male and female
<BR>> brains. And, my goodness, I would have been a much better
teacher, too. I <BR>> would have a better understanding of my fellow
human beings - but at least <BR>> I do understand a lot more about it
now since reading this book. It was so <BR>> enlightening to me and I
was telling my husband all about it as we would <BR>> ride along in
the truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it is like this <BR>>
conversation we are having right now in this truck." This was his
insight <BR>> as I was rapidly sharing so much information as he sat
quietly <BR>> listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand this
conversation here in <BR>> this truck so much better." We
laughed.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Of course we are both crafters
and artists - one feeds into the other. We <BR>> all begin somewhere
- and for me, it begins with my mother taking an <BR>> afternoon to
teach me how to do some embroidery stitches and to creat a <BR>>
picture on a linen tea towel - I was probably 8 years old. Then, it
<BR>> continues on with my precious neighbor taking an hour each
morning, one <BR>> summer, to teach me how to read a pattern and how
to sew a blouse, skirt, <BR>> and then an entire outfit - I was about
10. We learn from those around us, <BR>> and how lucky we were to
have them in our life. What I do today, is an <BR>> homage to those
women in my life so long ago. I celebrate them with every <BR>>
stitch I make in my art these days. And, I say "thank you" to them for
<BR>> giving me the beginnings of who I am today, and who I am
becoming with <BR>> each new day and each new idea I work
with.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> <A
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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:26 PM<BR>><BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Hooray for "outrageous and for
all of you for taking the time to <BR>> articulate these
distinctions.<BR>><BR>> I absolutely agree and have been an artist
and crafter simultaneously. I <BR>> am back to my art and love the
discovery of it-but I will admit, my left <BR>> brain does like rules
and instructions-but my Girl Brain is winning! (no <BR>> put down to
Boy Brains, just a family joke).<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Right
on! Right on, Linda!<BR>><BR>> pece out<BR>><BR>> -----
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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:44 AM<BR>><BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous
conversation, I know. lol I better get back <BR>> to the studio
before I cause a riot, but this should be a good place for a <BR>>
discussion like this.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> That is great,
Ann! So true. There is really not a fine line between the <BR>> two,
it is very clear and distinct. And artist or a crafter can take the
<BR>> exact same materials, but the mind that works with them is
quite different <BR>> and the results are quite different. It's
really about "ideas" and <BR>> "concepts" and what we are thinking
about as we work, and where we go with <BR>> the materials in our
process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is a <BR>> very fine
museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary Crafts - now, <BR>>
what is done there, and shown there is high art. So there is crafts and
<BR>> there is CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and there is the
"Craftsman." <BR>> very distinct differences between them - and as a
sculptor you would be <BR>> very aware of this,
too.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I was so fortunate to teach in a
small private college (Geneva College, in <BR>> western PA) where I
was free to teach across disciplines, as I have my <BR>> MFA in
painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature. Because of
<BR>> this background, I was very marketable for a good position. I
was able to <BR>> create multi-discipline courses - alway a
combination of literature and <BR>> art, as well as studio courses in
painting, fiber arts, printmaking, <BR>> drawing. It was a dream of a
job, working in interdisciplinary studies and <BR>> doing so many
projects with profs in other disciplines. I was very active <BR>> in
conferences on interdisciplinary studies. I created an European <BR>>
experience for art and literature students and we lived in Austria every
<BR>> summer and then traveled to other countries. I even had an art
exhibition <BR>> in Austria for my students every summer. They worked
so hard in the <BR>> studio and out on location every day, and at the
end of the month they had <BR>> a show - so much fun. I also did this
with Puerto Rico, and students came <BR>> to PR with me each spring
as part of their course in Puerto Rico Culture - <BR>> which I have
continued to visit every March even though I am now retired. <BR>> It
bacame how we spent our spring time.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> OK,
back to my studio where I am working my tail off to get a piece done
<BR>> today!<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>> ----- Original
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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:08 AM<BR>><BR>> Subject: Re:
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member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and
art. If someone who is reading this is <BR>> still torn I wouldn't be
surprised though since there are all sorts of <BR>> shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter
and a friend one day. I went off on a tangent <BR>> tangling all
sorts of events together rather randomly. They started <BR>> laughing
and saying something akin to how do you make it from day to day.
<BR>> And I said you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot
you know and <BR>> follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am
an artist and I am paid <BR>> to break the rules. No one wants to
hear from me if it has already been <BR>>
done.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> What did you teach before you
retired? Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann
Cunningham<BR>><BR>> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the
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[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>> From: "Lynda
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Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art
by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
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><BR>><BR>> ?<BR>><BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>><BR>> So
nice to see you here. I did not start this group though, I am like
<BR>> you, I just came on to ask a question about something I needed
to know and <BR>> was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my
question. I am furiously <BR>> working right now (oops, split that
infinitive!) getting work done for the <BR>> opening of a two-person
exhibition at a museum - the show is called <BR>> _Vision and
Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited vision_ <BR>>
It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind
painter. <BR>> It opens one month from today, and if I stop to think
about what else has <BR>> to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I
won't do that, but just will keep <BR>> on working on the details.
The show will appear at two locations this year <BR>> and will have a
video that plays in the gallery with the art works, <BR>> Braille
labeling, and artist's talks. I will even be teaching in the <BR>>
gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts course at Geneva
College. <BR>> That is where I taught when I was a professor of fine
arts and humanities, <BR>> before I retired. I'll be lecturing on the
historical context of my work <BR>> and where the ideas have come
from when creating it.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> To make matters
even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a <BR>> conference at
Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day <BR>> before
we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working on
<BR>> every day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2
years ago, <BR>> but I am still very much involved in everything but
being in the <BR>> classroom.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Here is
my response to the question you have asked. The gap between an <BR>>
artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some
<BR>> basic things may be similar between the two, but most things
are very far <BR>> apart
philisophically.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Both work with the
hands, and both love working with the hands and most <BR>> have done
it all their life.<BR>><BR>> Both love the materials, and the
handling of them, and the satisfaction of <BR>> the finished product
that comes out of it.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> While the crafter
will usually be satisfied with beginning something and <BR>> knowing
where the end will be, the artist begins with no notion of where
<BR>> the end will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a
clearly defined <BR>> path to the finished product. The artist has
only some inklings of <BR>> possible outcomes, but has to find them
as she works.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> The other very big thing I
see as a difference between them is that the <BR>> crafter has
'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from those <BR>>
rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the
mature <BR>> artist has learned that there are no rules at all. They
may begin in the <BR>> early stages by learning techniques, but
eventually with the years of <BR>> working, the light comes on in her
brain when she discovers one day - she <BR>> is free of all rules
when making art. Everything can be challenged, <BR>> everything can
be changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is <BR>>
there any other profession in this world where there are no rules? It's
<BR>> the most exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely
no rules <BR>> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath
just to say it. Free, <BR>> free, free, at
last!<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Laurie, the biggest difference
between art and a craft is where the person <BR>> eventually takes
the techniques, I think.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> A crafter
seldom takes things to a different level but is usually content <BR>>
to learn something then duplicate it endlessly, then moves on to learn
<BR>> something else and does that again with it. The artist can take
crafts <BR>> materials (which is what you and I both do) and
techniques, and then take <BR>> them far beyond because they will
combine their techniques and materials <BR>> with the imagination. If
you can teach it, it is usually a craft. If you <BR>> cannot teach
it, it is normally art. Art can begin by learning some <BR>>
techniques, or using craft materials, but then the person begins to ask
<BR>> the "what if" questions, and takes lots of risks, failures, and
bends in <BR>> the road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It
is a "mind set" that <BR>> is never satisfied with just the learning
of something new, but one that <BR>> constantly questions,
experiments, and never knows where the "end" will <BR>> be, or even
if it will be. A "crafter" will never understand what I have <BR>>
just said and will most likely be huffing and puffing and angry with it.
<BR>> An "artist" is standing and applauding what I have said. It is
that <BR>> simple, and that complex. The artist thrives on change and
making new <BR>> discoveries and each work leads to other querstions
and more change and <BR>> more new
discoveries.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> One can see the difference
when you look at work in types of environments. <BR>> One will be
setting at a craft show with a table full of things that are <BR>>
basically all the same while the other will have work on display in a
<BR>> gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and each
is very <BR>> happy with where they are. They are different animals,
with different <BR>> ideas, and different end results and outcomes.
Each one has decided their <BR>> own path and each one is comfortable
with the decision she has made.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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member<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi
Folks:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> I?d like to introduce myself. I?m
a blind person from wisconsin who is a <BR>> fledgling and budding
beginner artist. my medium is beadwork. I make <BR>> pictures and
tapestries out of tiny little seed beads sewn together with <BR>>
thread. but most of my work is in making jewlry, but I have always
looked <BR>> upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What
is the difference between an art and a <BR>> craft? I do believe that
all crafts are forms of art but are all arts <BR>> considered crafts?
Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list going <BR>> as it
is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to bring
<BR>> blind people together who love to both create and appreciate
the visual <BR>> arts.<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Good morning,<BR>> Linda,
I am glad to be of some "help" in your preparation!! I guess I <BR>>
needed a Job!<BR>> The discussions have been intriguing...in the
sense that I am being <BR>> reminded of things I already know.
Everyone's input has been fun!<BR>> About drawing: APH has a tactile
board for raised line drawings/math <BR>> assignments, etc. This is
what I would put in the hands of a blind <BR>> child-the stylus can
be used for lines and a type of "shading." And of <BR>> course, it
would also be useful for a blind child to do the same thing as <BR>>
a sighted child, as you mentioned: feel the object and draw it.<BR>>
(OK, get ready, I digress a bit: This reminds me of the work I have done
<BR>> as an Infant Massage Instructor-there are certain, simple
strokes that we <BR>> teach the parents and the result is calming, of
course ...well, unless <BR>> said baby being massaged is done!... but
one of the many objectives of <BR>> this massage stroke is "to help
the infant to organize his/her world." In <BR>> this case:"These
things are part of me...legs, arms...and this is me here <BR>> and
that is someone else over there." At which point the baby realizes
<BR>> that they are getting some undivided attention and they get all
excited! <BR>> And with a blind child, especially, or the newly
blinded, this art <BR>> exercise in observing one's world would be
really helpful in sorting out, <BR>> organizing and internalizing.
But it would be helpful for *anyone* to do, <BR>> and for the same
reasons!)<BR>> I like that your intent is not to try to get students
to experience what <BR>> life is like as a blind person!! It is just
an art play!<BR>><BR>> OK...about drawing/sketching, I think that
is as essential as learning the <BR>> basics of music before playing
in an orchestra. As much as we'd love to <BR>> skip right over the
practice sessions, that just is no other way. And I do <BR>> think
that there are "work arounds" for blind artists of any age who have
<BR>> never seen, to learn perspective and to share it. (Ann would
know lots <BR>> about this). Because of my background in classical
sketching with my mom, <BR>> I could branch out to design and
suggest/gesture the images...like fashion <BR>> design and even like
impressionistic painting. Reducing the "story" to the <BR>> most
interesting lines/colors. (which will be different for each artist
<BR>> and viewer).<BR>><BR>> Best wishes-<BR>> Patty<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Saturday,
February 08, 2014 8:56 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art]
drawing the internal dialogue<BR>><BR>><BR>> Patricia, you
bring up the most fascinating things. This is another one <BR>> of
those things that is so enjoyable to think about. Drawing! We do not
<BR>> need sight to draw, I am absolutely sure of that. In fact, in
many of my <BR>> drawing courses, I had students draw blindfolded.
They had to feel the <BR>> objects, then return to the easel to do
their drawings. They could walk <BR>> over to feel it as often as
they liked during the process, but they were <BR>> not permitted to
have a physical "look" at it with the eyes. The drawings <BR>> they
made were astounding - so full of livingness and so magical. You are
<BR>> making me remember those things that I had not thought of for a
very long <BR>> time - and this is great for me because I am going to
be a speaker at a <BR>> conference on disabilities and inclusion in
March, and this is exactly <BR>> what I needed to be thinking about
as I prep for that lecture.<BR>><BR>> If anyone else has some
examples of experiences for me, that I could <BR>> share with the
audience, please let me know. I want to really make my <BR>> audience
understand that blind people have the same passions for art and <BR>>
art making as anyone else. We just have to learn adaptive ways of
working, <BR>> but we can do it, and we love to do it and it brings
us great joy.<BR>><BR>> yes, I used Drawing From the Right Side of
the Brain as a textbook for <BR>> Drawing courses at the college! I
also used "The Natural Way to Draw" by <BR>> Nicolaides. I have
worked my way through both of these books for years on <BR>> end.
Drawing is the core of everything we do as artists and without a good
<BR>> foundation in drawing, it's difficult to move on - it is the
structure on <BR>> which we build everything else no matter the
medium we work with. Drawing <BR>> puts us in touch with the internal
dialogue and we become more aware and <BR>> connected with the object
we are drawing.<BR>><BR>> The interesting thing about drawing, to
me, has always been that all <BR>> children seem to know how to draw
by instinct. How does that "fit" in your <BR>> experience, Patricia?
I have never encountered a child who did not know <BR>> how to draw
and make pictures - I have always thought we are born with <BR>>
these abilities. I think a child born blind would have this same
<BR>> inclination, if provided with the tools and opportunities early
on, but <BR>> that is a guess on my part. I would love to know more
about this by <BR>> someone who has had the experience as a very
small child without sight. <BR>> Drawing is more, far more, than the
thing that is left on the page after <BR>> the person has made it. It
is a whole body experience - physical and <BR>> spiritual experience,
in my experiences. So, it seems to me that no sight <BR>> is needed
to make drawings. I like to say, about my own work, that the <BR>>
"thing that is on display on the gallery wall is the residue left behind
<BR>> as I was making art." It is not the art itself, it is the
tracks that <BR>> show I was there. The art was what transpired
within me as I worked on it <BR>> and the piece in the gallery is the
evidence that I was there.<BR>><BR>> I have to say that without my
extensive drawing background, I would not <BR>> be who I am today as
a blind person. I have a small amount of peripheral <BR>> vision that
is enough that I can detect movement. Those movements are <BR>>
"gestures" and it is through the gestures around me that I navigate the
<BR>> world and that I identify people and things. It is the essence
of <BR>> everything - gesture. When I am making my art these days, it
is because I <BR>> am accustomed to using gesture and can continue to
do that without sight. <BR>> Touch is gesture, and that is how I
understand what I touch. I feel it's <BR>> internal and external
gesture.<BR>><BR>> OH, that is so funny about your 5 year old's
comment about using his <BR>> "girl brain." This is what I found so
fascinating when I was reading this <BR>> book, that the entire
structure of the brain is very different in males <BR>> and females.
Each individual part of the brain is different between the <BR>>
sexes - so it is a physical as well as psychological difference. She
<BR>> explored many different nuances that really helped me as a
blind person as <BR>> well, as I was reading. It gave me new insight
into different aspects we <BR>> encounter due to sight loss. I would
highly recommend it to anyone who has <BR>> interest in learning more
about how the brain functions, and it is <BR>> explored in a way that
a non-science person like me coulnd understand and <BR>>
enjoy.<BR>><BR>> This is all certainly another aspect of the
discussion on difference <BR>> between art and crafts thought process
and ways of "seeing." Lynda<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>> To: An exploration of art by
and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 8:54
PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Linda, the brain is so fascinating-or is
it the mind?? My first real <BR>> understanding of it (before I
studied holistic psychology and energy <BR>> medicine) was when our
youngest was caught doing something or other that <BR>> five year
olds do, and he burst into tears and managed to blurt out <BR>>
emphatically, "My girl brain made me do it!"<BR>> Yes, Luke, I know
what you mean! But he didn't go to school, yet, and <BR>> we didn't
have a TV...I think he just *knew*.<BR>> Dr. Christian Northrop
teaches about the female brain, too. Her example <BR>> is that she
and her, then, husband were flying somewhere and she noticed <BR>>
that she was reading "Enriching the Mother/Daughter Relationship" and he
<BR>> was reading "How to get the most out of your Band Saw."<BR>>
To bring art into this, I am sure you are familiar with the <BR>>
book,"Drawing on the Right side of the Brain." Pretty fascinating, if
one <BR>> has time to complicate one's life by experimenting with
drawing things <BR>> upside down.<BR>> Energetically, if you want
to engage both hemispheres, Brain Gym says <BR>> to "think of an X."
And to relax the mind, think of two parallel lines.<BR>><BR>> OK,
I'm taking my parallel lines and heading to bed,<BR>> Patty<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An
exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday,
February 07, 2014 1:48 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts
or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Patricia, I just finished
reading the book "The Female Brain" by <BR>> Luann Brizendine, and
OH, HOw I wish I had this wonderful information a <BR>> long time
ago. Raising my brood of children would have been so much easier
<BR>> if I had known these things about the differences between male
and female <BR>> brains. And, my goodness, I would have been a much
better teacher, too. I <BR>> would have a better understanding of my
fellow human beings - but at least <BR>> I do understand a lot more
about it now since reading this book. It was so <BR>> enlightening to
me and I was telling my husband all about it as we would <BR>> ride
along in the truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it is like this
<BR>> conversation we are having right now in this truck." This was
his insight <BR>> as I was rapidly sharing so much information as he
sat quietly <BR>> listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand this
conversation here in <BR>> this truck so much better." We
laughed.<BR>><BR>> Of course we are both crafters and artists -
one feeds into the <BR>> other. We all begin somewhere - and for me,
it begins with my mother <BR>> taking an afternoon to teach me how to
do some embroidery stitches and to <BR>> creat a picture on a linen
tea towel - I was probably 8 years old. Then, <BR>> it continues on
with my precious neighbor taking an hour each morning, one <BR>>
summer, to teach me how to read a pattern and how to sew a blouse,
skirt, <BR>> and then an entire outfit - I was about 10. We learn
from those around us, <BR>> and how lucky we were to have them in our
life. What I do today, is an <BR>> homage to those women in my life
so long ago. I celebrate them with every <BR>> stitch I make in my
art these days. And, I say "thank you" to them for <BR>> giving me
the beginnings of who I am today, and who I am becoming with <BR>>
each new day and each new idea I work with.<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>> <BR>> <A
href="http://www.amazon.com/Louann-Brizendine/e/B001H6RZB8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1391798400&sr=1-1"
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----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>>
To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday,
February 07, 2014 1:26 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts
or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hooray for "outrageous and
for all of you for taking the time to <BR>> articulate these
distinctions.<BR>> I absolutely agree and have been an artist and
crafter <BR>> simultaneously. I am back to my art and love the
discovery of it-but I <BR>> will admit, my left brain does like rules
and instructions-but my Girl <BR>> Brain is winning! (no put down to
Boy Brains, just a family joke).<BR>><BR>> Right on! Right on,
Linda!<BR>> pece out<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind
persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:44 AM<BR>>
Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous conversation,
I know. lol I better <BR>> get back to the studio before I cause a
riot, but this should be a good <BR>> place for a discussion like
this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a
fine line <BR>> between the two, it is very clear and distinct. And
artist or a crafter <BR>> can take the exact same materials, but the
mind that works with them is <BR>> quite different and the results
are quite different. It's really about <BR>> "ideas" and "concepts"
and what we are thinking about as we work, and <BR>> where we go with
the materials in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, <BR>> PA
there is a very fine museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary
<BR>> Crafts - now, what is done there, and shown there is high art.
So there is <BR>> crafts and there is CRAFT, too. There is the
"crafter" and there is the <BR>> "Craftsman." very distinct
differences between them - and as a sculptor <BR>> you would be very
aware of this, too.<BR>><BR>> I was so fortunate to teach in a
small private college (Geneva <BR>> College, in western PA) where I
was free to teach across disciplines, as <BR>> I have my MFA in
painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature. <BR>> Because
of this background, I was very marketable for a good position. I
<BR>> was able to create multi-discipline courses - alway a
combination of <BR>> literature and art, as well as studio courses in
painting, fiber arts, <BR>> printmaking, drawing. It was a dream of a
job, working in <BR>> interdisciplinary studies and doing so many
projects with profs in other <BR>> disciplines. I was very active in
conferences on interdisciplinary <BR>> studies. I created an European
experience for art and literature <BR>> students and we lived in
Austria every summer and then traveled to other <BR>> countries. I
even had an art exhibition in Austria for my students every <BR>>
summer. They worked so hard in the studio and out on location every day,
<BR>> and at the end of the month they had a show - so much fun. I
also did <BR>> this with Puerto Rico, and students came to PR with me
each spring as part <BR>> of their course in Puerto Rico Culture -
which I have continued to visit <BR>> every March even though I am
now retired. It bacame how we spent our <BR>> spring
time.<BR>><BR>> OK, back to my studio where I am working my tail
off to get a <BR>> piece done today!<BR>> Lynda<BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>Ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> To: An exploration of art
by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:08
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading <BR>> this is still torn I wouldn't be
surprised though since there are all <BR>> sorts of shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a
friend one day. I went off <BR>> on a tangent tangling all sorts of
events together rather randomly. They <BR>> started laughing and
saying something akin to how do you make it from day <BR>> to day.
And I said you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you
<BR>> know and follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an
artist and I <BR>> am paid to break the rules. No one wants to hear
from me if it has already <BR>> been done.<BR>><BR>><BR>>
What did you teach before you retired? Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann
Cunningham<BR>> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the
world!<BR>> 303 238 4760<BR>> <A href="mailto:ann@acunningham.com"
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[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>> From: "Lynda
Lambert" <<A href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>> Date: Fri,
February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by and for
blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start
this group though, <BR>> I am like you, I just came on to ask a
question about something I needed <BR>> to know and was so glad to
meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am <BR>> furiously working
right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work <BR>> done for
the opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is
<BR>> called _Vision and Revision: Two artists with limited sight,
not limited <BR>> vision_ It is my pottery and mixed-media fiber
works, and a legally blind <BR>> painter. It opens one month from
today, and if I stop to think about what <BR>> else has to be done
yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but just <BR>> will keep
on working on the details. The show will appear at two locations
<BR>> this year and will have a video that plays in the gallery with
the art <BR>> works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will
even be teaching in <BR>> the gallery one afternoon, for the Women in
the Arts course at Geneva <BR>> College. That is where I taught when
I was a professor of fine arts and <BR>> humanities, before I
retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical context <BR>> of my work
and where the ideas have come from when creating it.<BR>><BR>> To
make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak <BR>> at a
conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the
<BR>> day before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to
be working <BR>> on every day now, too. I officially retired from
teaching 5 1/2 years <BR>> ago, but I am still very much involved in
everything but being in the <BR>> classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here is
my response to the question you have asked. The gap <BR>> between an
artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that <BR>>
wide. Some basic things may be similar between the two, but most things
<BR>> are very far apart philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both work
with the hands, and both love working with the <BR>> hands and most
have done it all their life.<BR>> Both love the materials, and the
handling of them, and the <BR>> satisfaction of the finished product
that comes out of it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter will usually be
satisfied with beginning <BR>> something and knowing where the end
will be, the artist begins with no <BR>> notion of where the end will
be or even if it will be. the crafter has a <BR>> clearly defined
path to the finished product. The artist has only some <BR>> inklings
of possible outcomes, but has to find them as she works.<BR>><BR>>
The other very big thing I see as a difference between them <BR>> is
that the crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate
<BR>> from those rules, as they are set in stone in her mind. On the
other hand, <BR>> the mature artist has learned that there are no
rules at all. They may <BR>> begin in the early stages by learning
techniques, but eventually with the <BR>> years of working, the light
comes on in her brain when she discovers one <BR>> day - she is free
of all rules when making art. Everything can be <BR>> challenged,
everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for <BR>> the
artist. Is there any other profession in this world where there are no
<BR>> rules? It's the most exhilerating feeling to know that there
are <BR>> absolutely no rules whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a
deep breath <BR>> just to say it. Free, free, free, at
last!<BR>><BR>> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a
craft is <BR>> where the person eventually takes the techniques, I
think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter seldom takes things to a different
level but is <BR>> usually content to learn something then duplicate
it endlessly, then moves <BR>> on to learn something else and does
that again with it. The artist can <BR>> take crafts materials (which
is what you and I both do) and techniques, <BR>> and then take them
far beyond because they will combine their techniques <BR>> and
materials with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a
<BR>> craft. If you cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can
begin by <BR>> learning some techniques, or using craft materials,
but then the person <BR>> begins to ask the "what if" questions, and
takes lots of risks, failures, <BR>> and bends in the road on the way
to it becoming a work of art. It is a <BR>> "mind set" that is never
satisfied with just the learning of something <BR>> new, but one that
constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where <BR>> the
"end" will be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never <BR>>
understand what I have just said and will most likely be huffing and
<BR>> puffing and angry with it. An "artist" is standing and
applauding what I <BR>> have said. It is that simple, and that
complex. The artist thrives on <BR>> change and making new
discoveries and each work leads to other querstions <BR>> and more
change and more new discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One can see the
difference when you look at work in types of <BR>> environments. One
will be setting at a craft show with a table full of <BR>> things
that are basically all the same while the other will have work on
<BR>> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided where they
"fit" and <BR>> each is very happy with where they are. They are
different animals, with <BR>> different ideas, and different end
results and outcomes. Each one has <BR>> decided their own path and
each one is comfortable with the decision she <BR>> has
made.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: Laurie Porter<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A><BR>> Sent: Thursday,
February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or
crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d
like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from <BR>> wisconsin who
is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is <BR>>
beadwork. I make pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads
<BR>> sewn together with thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I <BR>> have always looked upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the
difference between <BR>> an art and a craft? I do believe that all
crafts are forms of art but are <BR>> all arts considered crafts?
Thanks linda and all of you for getting this <BR>> list going as it
is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts <BR>> to
bring blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the
<BR>> visual arts.<BR>><BR>>
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Sat, 8 Feb 2014 14:03:46 -0600<BR>> From: Laurie Porter <<A
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reply-type=original<BR>><BR>> Linda:<BR>><BR>> thanks so
much for this definition of the difference between art and <BR>>
craft.<BR>> I think I am now truly where I belong, and given this
explanation, I know<BR>> now why I have never been satisfied with
just finishing a crafting <BR>> project.<BR>> I've always found it
to be decidedly limiting in imagination, creativity <BR>> and<BR>>
origionality. .<BR>><BR>> I have been so impressed with the
messages I've read on this list so far.<BR>> It sounds like there is
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Message: 1<BR>> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:03:18 -0500<BR>> From:
"Lynda Lambert" <<A href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
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exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
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<6FA5C73038C44B4D9FE3E40F647EF6C7@Lambert><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice
to see you here. I did not start this group though, I am like <BR>>
you,<BR>> I just came on to ask a question about something I needed
to know and was <BR>> so<BR>> glad to meet Ann who helped me with
my question. I am furiously working<BR>> right now (oops, split that
infinitive!) getting work done for the opening<BR>> of a two-person
exhibition at a museum - the show is called _Vision and<BR>>
Revision: Two artists with limited sight, not limited vision_ It is
my<BR>> pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind
painter. It opens<BR>> one month from today, and if I stop to think
about what else has to be <BR>> done<BR>> yet, I'll get nervous.
So, I won't do that, but just will keep on working <BR>> on<BR>>
the details. The show will appear at two locations this year and will
have <BR>> a<BR>> video that plays in the gallery with the art
works, Braille labeling, and<BR>> artist's talks. I will even be
teaching in the gallery one afternoon, for<BR>> the Women in the Arts
course at Geneva College. That is where I taught <BR>> when<BR>> I
was a professor of fine arts and humanities, before I retired. I'll
be<BR>> lecturing on the historical context of my work and where the
ideas have <BR>> come<BR>> from when creating it.<BR>><BR>>
To make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a
<BR>> conference<BR>> at Slippery Rock University of PA for two
sessions, the day before we hang<BR>> our show. So, I have those
presentations to be working on every day now,<BR>> too. I officially
retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago, but I am still<BR>> very much
involved in everything but being in the classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here
is my response to the question you have asked. The gap between
an<BR>> artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that
wide. Some <BR>> basic<BR>> things may be similar between the two,
but most things are very far apart<BR>>
philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both work with the hands, and both love
working with the hands and most <BR>> have<BR>> done it all their
life.<BR>> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and the
satisfaction of<BR>> the finished product that comes out of
it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with
beginning something and<BR>> knowing where the end will be, the
artist begins with no notion of where <BR>> the<BR>> end will be
or even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly defined path<BR>> to
the finished product. The artist has only some inklings of
possible<BR>> outcomes, but has to find them as she
works.<BR>><BR>> The other very big thing I see as a difference
between them is that the<BR>> crafter has 'rules" to follow and
seldom will ever deviate from those <BR>> rules,<BR>> as they are
set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the mature artist<BR>>
has learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin in the
early<BR>> stages by learning techniques, but eventually with the
years of working, <BR>> the<BR>> light comes on in her brain when
she discovers one day - she is free of <BR>> all<BR>> rules when
making art. Everything can be challenged, everything can be<BR>>
changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is there any
other<BR>> profession in this world where there are no rules? It's
the most<BR>> exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely
no rules whatsoever<BR>> for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath
just to say it. Free, free, free,<BR>> at last!<BR>><BR>>
Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a craft is where the
person<BR>> eventually takes the techniques, I think.<BR>><BR>>
A crafter seldom takes things to a different level but is usually
content <BR>> to<BR>> learn something then duplicate it endlessly,
then moves on to learn<BR>> something else and does that again with
it. The artist can take crafts<BR>> materials (which is what you and
I both do) and techniques, and then take<BR>> them far beyond because
they will combine their techniques and materials<BR>> with the
imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a craft. If you<BR>>
cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by learning
some<BR>> techniques, or using craft materials, but then the person
begins to ask <BR>> the<BR>> "what if" questions, and takes lots
of risks, failures, and bends in the<BR>> road on the way to it
becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set" that is<BR>> never
satisfied with just the learning of something new, but one that<BR>>
constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where the "end" will
<BR>> be,<BR>> or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never
understand what I have just<BR>> said and will most likely be huffing
and puffing and angry with it. An<BR>> "artist" is standing and
applauding what I have said. It is that simple, <BR>> and<BR>>
that complex. The artist thrives on change and making new discoveries
and<BR>> each work leads to other querstions and more change and more
new<BR>> discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One can see the difference when
you look at work in types of environments.<BR>> One will be setting
at a craft show with a table full of things that are<BR>> basically
all the same while the other will have work on display in a<BR>>
gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and each is very
<BR>> happy<BR>> with where they are. They are different animals,
with different ideas, and<BR>> different end results and outcomes.
Each one has decided their own path <BR>> and<BR>> each one is
comfortable with the decision she has made.<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> From: Laurie Porter<BR>> To: <A
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target=_blank>Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A><BR>> Sent: Thursday,
February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or
crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d
like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from wisconsin who is
a<BR>> fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork.
I make<BR>> pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads
sewn together with<BR>> thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I have always looked<BR>> upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the
difference between an art and a<BR>> craft? I do believe that all
crafts are forms of art but are all arts<BR>> considered crafts?
Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list going<BR>> as it is
something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to bring<BR>>
blind people together who love to both create and appreciate the
visual<BR>> arts.<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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Fri, 7 Feb 2014 11:23:35 -0500<BR>> From: Jewel <<A
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of art by and for blind persons<BR>> <<A
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<BR>><BR>> I
absolutely loved this explanation of arts versus crafts. I was
also<BR>> wondering the difference, so this really makes it clear to
me. I do<BR>> polymer clay. While I start with an expectation that it
will be some<BR>> sort of elephant or a horse or whatever, who knows
what twists and<BR>> turns will happen along the way. By the way, I'm
currently working on<BR>> a Harry Potter style house elf holding a
tray that can hold business<BR>> ccards. The house elf is done, but
the tray still needs to be<BR>> finished.<BR>>
Jewel<BR>><BR>> On 2/7/14, <A href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>Ann@acunningham.com</A> <<A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>Ann@acunningham.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>> Lynda, Nice
answer to craft and art. If someone who is reading this is<BR>>>
still<BR>>> torn I wouldn't be surprised though since there are
all sorts of shades <BR>>> in<BR>>> the
continuum.<BR>>><BR>>> I was talking to my daughter and a
friend one day. I went off on a <BR>>> tangent<BR>>>
tangling all sorts of events together rather randomly. They
started<BR>>> laughing<BR>>> and saying something akin to
how do you make it from day to day. And I<BR>>> said<BR>>>
you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know and
follow<BR>>> rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist
and I am paid to<BR>>> break<BR>>> the rules. No one wants
to hear from me if it has already been done.<BR>>><BR>>>
What did you teach before you retired? Ann<BR>>><BR>>> Ann
Cunningham<BR>>> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the
world!<BR>>> 303 238 4760<BR>>> <A
href="mailto:ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>>> <A
href="http://www.acunningham.com"
target=_blank>http://www.acunningham.com</A><BR>>> <A
href="http://www.sensationalbooks.com"
target=_blank>http://www.sensationalbooks.com</A><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>>
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[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>>>> From:
"Lynda Lambert" <<A href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>>>> Date:
Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>>>> To: "An exploration of
art by and for blind persons"<BR>>>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
Hi Laurie,<BR>>>> So nice to see you here. I did not start this
group though, I am like<BR>>>> you, I just came on to ask a
question about something I needed to know<BR>>>>
and<BR>>>> was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my
question. I am furiously<BR>>>> working right now (oops, split
that infinitive!) getting work done for<BR>>>>
the<BR>>>> opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the
show is called<BR>>>> _Vision and Revision: Two artists with
limited sight, not limited<BR>>>> vision_ It is my pottery and
mixed-media fiber works, and a legally<BR>>>>
blind<BR>>>> painter. It opens one month from today, and if I
stop to think about <BR>>>> what<BR>>>> else has to be
done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but
just<BR>>>> will keep on working on the details. The show will
appear at two<BR>>>> locations<BR>>>> this year and
will have a video that plays in the gallery with the art<BR>>>>
works, Braille labeling, and artist's talks. I will even be teaching
in<BR>>>> the gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts
course at Geneva<BR>>>> College. That is where I taught when I
was a professor of fine arts and<BR>>>> humanities, before I
retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical <BR>>>>
context<BR>>>> of my work and where the ideas have come from
when creating it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> To make matters even
more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a<BR>>>> conference
at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the
day<BR>>>> before we hang our show. So, I have those
presentations to be working on<BR>>>> every day now, too. I
officially retired from teaching 5 1/2 years ago,<BR>>>> but I
am still very much involved in everything but being in
the<BR>>>> classroom.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Here is
my response to the question you have asked. The gap between
an<BR>>>> artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it
is that wide. Some<BR>>>> basic things may be similar between
the two, but most things are very <BR>>>> far<BR>>>>
apart philisophically.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Both work with
the hands, and both love working with the hands and most<BR>>>>
have done it all their life.<BR>>>> Both love the materials,
and the handling of them, and the satisfaction<BR>>>>
of<BR>>>> the finished product that comes out of
it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> While the crafter will usually be
satisfied with beginning something and<BR>>>> knowing where the
end will be, the artist begins with no notion of where<BR>>>>
the end will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly
<BR>>>> defined<BR>>>> path to the finished product.
The artist has only some inklings of<BR>>>> possible outcomes,
but has to find them as she works.<BR>>>><BR>>>> The
other very big thing I see as a difference between them is that
the<BR>>>> crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever
deviate from those<BR>>>> rules, as they are set in stone in
her mind. On the other hand, the<BR>>>> mature<BR>>>>
artist has learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin in
<BR>>>> the<BR>>>> early stages by learning
techniques, but eventually with the years of<BR>>>> working,
the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one
day<BR>>>> - she is free of all rules when making art.
Everything can be <BR>>>> challenged,<BR>>>>
everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the
artist.<BR>>>> Is<BR>>>> there any other profession in
this world where there are no rules? It's<BR>>>> the most
exhilerating feeling to know that there are absolutely no
rules<BR>>>> whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep
breath just to say it. <BR>>>> Free,<BR>>>> free,
free, at last!<BR>>>><BR>>>> Laurie, the biggest
difference between art and a craft is where the<BR>>>>
person<BR>>>> eventually takes the techniques, I
think.<BR>>>><BR>>>> A crafter seldom takes things to
a different level but is usually <BR>>>>
content<BR>>>> to learn something then duplicate it endlessly,
then moves on to learn<BR>>>> something else and does that
again with it. The artist can take crafts<BR>>>> materials
(which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and then
<BR>>>> take<BR>>>> them far beyond because they will
combine their techniques and materials<BR>>>> with the
imagination. If you can teach it, it is usually a craft. If
<BR>>>> you<BR>>>> cannot teach it, it is normally
art. Art can begin by learning some<BR>>>> techniques, or using
craft materials, but then the person begins to ask<BR>>>> the
"what if" questions, and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends
in<BR>>>> the road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It
is a "mind set" <BR>>>> that<BR>>>> is never satisfied
with just the learning of something new, but one that<BR>>>>
constantly questions, experiments, and never knows where the "end"
will<BR>>>> be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never
understand what I <BR>>>> have<BR>>>> just said and
will most likely be huffing and puffing and angry with
it.<BR>>>> An "artist" is standing and applauding what I have
said. It is that<BR>>>> simple, and that complex. The artist
thrives on change and making new<BR>>>> discoveries and each
work leads to other querstions and more change and<BR>>>> more
new discoveries.<BR>>>><BR>>>> One can see the
difference when you look at work in types of<BR>>>>
environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full
of<BR>>>> things that are basically all the same while the
other will have work <BR>>>> on<BR>>>> display in a
gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit" and<BR>>>>
each is very happy with where they are. They are different animals,
with<BR>>>> different ideas, and different end results and
outcomes. Each one has<BR>>>> decided their own path and each
one is comfortable with the decision she<BR>>>> has
made.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Lynda<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Lynda<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>> From: Laurie
Porter<BR>>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A><BR>>>>>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>>>>> Subject:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Hi
Folks:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> I'd like to introduce
myself. I'm a blind person from wisconsin who is <BR>>>>>
a<BR>>>>> fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium
is beadwork. I make<BR>>>>> pictures and tapestries out of
tiny little seed beads sewn together<BR>>>>>
with<BR>>>>> thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I have always<BR>>>>> looked<BR>>>>>
upon my beadwork as an art form.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
so, I have a basic question. What is the difference between an art and
<BR>>>>> a<BR>>>>> craft? I do believe that all
crafts are forms of art but are all arts<BR>>>>> considered
crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this
list<BR>>>>> going as it is something I've always dreamed of
seeing in our efforts <BR>>>>> to<BR>>>>> bring
blind people together who love to both create and appreciate
the<BR>>>>> visual arts.<BR>>>>>
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Fri, 7 Feb 2014 11:44:39 -0500<BR>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <<A
href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>> To: "An
exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>> Message-ID:
<00EE5DF7276148B7B8D3EE072C8258A0@Lambert><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous
conversation, I know. lol I better get back <BR>> to<BR>> the
studio before I cause a riot, but this should be a good place for
a<BR>> discussion like this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So
true. There is really not a fine line between the<BR>> two, it is
very clear and distinct. And artist or a crafter can take the<BR>>
exact same materials, but the mind that works with them is quite
different<BR>> and the results are quite different. It's really about
"ideas" and<BR>> "concepts" and what we are thinking about as we
work, and where we go with<BR>> the materials in our process of
working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is a <BR>> very<BR>> fine
museum/gallery called the Society of Contemporary Crafts - now, what
<BR>> is<BR>> done there, and shown there is high art. So there is
crafts and there is<BR>> CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and there
is the "Craftsman." very<BR>> distinct differences between them - and
as a sculptor you would be very<BR>> aware of this,
too.<BR>><BR>> I was so fortunate to teach in a small private
college (Geneva College, in<BR>> western PA) where I was free to
teach across disciplines, as I have my <BR>> MFA<BR>> in
painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature. Because of
this<BR>> background, I was very marketable for a good position. I
was able to <BR>> create<BR>> multi-discipline courses - alway a
combination of literature and art, as<BR>> well as studio courses in
painting, fiber arts, printmaking, drawing. It <BR>> was<BR>> a
dream of a job, working in interdisciplinary studies and doing so
many<BR>> projects with profs in other disciplines. I was very active
in <BR>> conferences<BR>> on interdisciplinary studies. I created
an European experience for art <BR>> and<BR>> literature students
and we lived in Austria every summer and then traveled<BR>> to other
countries. I even had an art exhibition in Austria for my <BR>>
students<BR>> every summer. They worked so hard in the studio and out
on location every<BR>> day, and at the end of the month they had a
show - so much fun. I also <BR>> did<BR>> this with Puerto Rico,
and students came to PR with me each spring as part<BR>> of their
course in Puerto Rico Culture - which I have continued to visit<BR>>
every March even though I am now retired. It bacame how we spent our
<BR>> spring<BR>> time.<BR>><BR>> OK, back to my studio
where I am working my tail off to get a piece done<BR>>
today!<BR>> Lynda<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From:
<A href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>Ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> To: An exploration of art
by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:08
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading this is<BR>> still torn I wouldn't be
surprised though since there are all sorts of<BR>> shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a
friend one day. I went off on a <BR>> tangent<BR>> tangling all
sorts of events together rather randomly. They started <BR>>
laughing<BR>> and saying something akin to how do you make it from
day to day. And I <BR>> said<BR>> you guys are pilots and for you
to be a good pilot you know and follow<BR>> rules. That is what they
pay you for. I am an artist and I am paid to <BR>> break<BR>> the
rules. No one wants to hear from me if it has already been
done.<BR>><BR>><BR>> What did you teach before you retired?
Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann Cunningham<BR>> Tactile Art - a
creative way to see the world!<BR>> 303 238 4760<BR>> <A
href="mailto:ann@acunningham.com"
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[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>> From: "Lynda
Lambert" <<A href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>> Date: Fri,
February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by and for
blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start
this group though, I am like<BR>> you, I just came on to ask a
question about something I needed to know and<BR>> was so glad to
meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am furiously<BR>> working
right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work done for
the<BR>> opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is
called <BR>> _Vision<BR>> and Revision: Two artists with limited
sight, not limited vision_ It is <BR>> my<BR>> pottery and
mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind painter. It opens<BR>>
one month from today, and if I stop to think about what else has to be
<BR>> done<BR>> yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but
just will keep on working <BR>> on<BR>> the details. The show will
appear at two locations this year and will have <BR>> a<BR>> video
that plays in the gallery with the art works, Braille labeling,
and<BR>> artist's talks. I will even be teaching in the gallery one
afternoon, for<BR>> the Women in the Arts course at Geneva College.
That is where I taught <BR>> when<BR>> I was a professor of fine
arts and humanities, before I retired. I'll be<BR>> lecturing on the
historical context of my work and where the ideas have <BR>>
come<BR>> from when creating it.<BR>><BR>> To make matters even
more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a<BR>> conference at
Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day<BR>> before
we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working
on<BR>> every day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2
years ago, <BR>> but<BR>> I am still very much involved in
everything but being in the classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here is my
response to the question you have asked. The gap between an<BR>>
artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide. Some
<BR>> basic<BR>> things may be similar between the two, but most
things are very far apart<BR>> philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both
work with the hands, and both love working with the hands and
most<BR>> have done it all their life.<BR>> Both love the
materials, and the handling of them, and the satisfaction<BR>> of the
finished product that comes out of it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter
will usually be satisfied with beginning something <BR>> and<BR>>
knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with no notion of where
<BR>> the<BR>> end will be or even if it will be. the crafter has
a clearly defined path<BR>> to the finished product. The artist has
only some inklings of possible<BR>> outcomes, but has to find them as
she works.<BR>><BR>> The other very big thing I see as a
difference between them is that the<BR>> crafter has 'rules" to
follow and seldom will ever deviate from those <BR>> rules,<BR>>
as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the mature
artist<BR>> has learned that there are no rules at all. They may
begin in the early<BR>> stages by learning techniques, but eventually
with the years of working, <BR>> the<BR>> light comes on in her
brain when she discovers one day - she is free of <BR>> all<BR>>
rules when making art. Everything can be challenged, everything can
be<BR>> changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is
there any other<BR>> profession in this world where there are no
rules? It's the most<BR>> exhilerating feeling to know that there are
absolutely no rules whatsoever<BR>> for me. Wow, makes me take a deep
breath just to say it. Free, free, free,<BR>> at
last!<BR>><BR>> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a
craft is where the<BR>> person eventually takes the techniques, I
think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter seldom takes things to a different
level but is usually<BR>> content to learn something then duplicate
it endlessly, then moves on to<BR>> learn something else and does
that again with it. The artist can take <BR>> crafts<BR>>
materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and then
take<BR>> them far beyond because they will combine their techniques
and materials<BR>> with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is
usually a craft. If you<BR>> cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art
can begin by learning some<BR>> techniques, or using craft materials,
but then the person begins to ask <BR>> the<BR>> "what if"
questions, and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends in the<BR>>
road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set" that
is<BR>> never satisfied with just the learning of something new, but
one that<BR>> constantly questions, experiments, and never knows
where the "end" will <BR>> be,<BR>> or even if it will be. A
"crafter" will never understand what I have just<BR>> said and will
most likely be huffing and puffing and angry with it. An<BR>>
"artist" is standing and applauding what I have said. It is that simple,
<BR>> and<BR>> that complex. The artist thrives on change and
making new discoveries and<BR>> each work leads to other querstions
and more change and more new<BR>> discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One
can see the difference when you look at work in types of<BR>>
environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full
of<BR>> things that are basically all the same while the other will
have work on<BR>> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided
where they "fit" and <BR>> each<BR>> is very happy with where they
are. They are different animals, with<BR>> different ideas, and
different end results and outcomes. Each one has<BR>> decided their
own path and each one is comfortable with the decision she <BR>>
has<BR>> made.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: Laurie Porter<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A><BR>> Sent: Thursday,
February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or
crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d
like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from wisconsin who <BR>>
is<BR>> a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is
beadwork. I make<BR>> pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed
beads sewn together with<BR>> thread. but most of my work is in
making jewlry, but I have always looked<BR>> upon my beadwork as an
art form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the
difference between an art <BR>> and<BR>> a craft? I do believe
that all crafts are forms of art but are all arts<BR>> considered
crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list going<BR>>
as it is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to
bring<BR>> blind people together who love to both create and
appreciate the visual<BR>> arts.<BR>><BR>>
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Fri, 7 Feb 2014 11:47:54 -0500<BR>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <<A
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target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>> To: "An
exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
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reply-type=original<BR>><BR>> Yes, Jewell, the material does not
matter - we can go any way we want to<BR>> with it. It is the ideas
we work with that determine what will happen <BR>> along<BR>> the
way, plus allowing the medium to lead us - finding that "life of
it's<BR>> own" that is there for us - a surprise or two along the
way. Your project<BR>> sounds wonderful. Lynda<BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> From: "Jewel" <<A
href="mailto:herekittykat2@gmail.com"
target=_blank>herekittykat2@gmail.com</A>><BR>> To: "An
exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>> Sent:
Friday, February 07, 2014 11:23 AM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>>>I absolutely loved this explanation of
arts versus crafts. I was also<BR>>> wondering the difference, so
this really makes it clear to me. I do<BR>>> polymer clay. While I
start with an expectation that it will be some<BR>>> sort of
elephant or a horse or whatever, who knows what twists and<BR>>>
turns will happen along the way. By the way, I'm currently working
on<BR>>> a Harry Potter style house elf holding a tray that can
hold business<BR>>> ccards. The house elf is done, but the tray
still needs to be<BR>>> finished.<BR>>>
Jewel<BR>>><BR>>> On 2/7/14, <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com" target=_blank>Ann@acunningham.com</A>
<<A href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>Ann@acunningham.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>>> Lynda,
Nice answer to craft and art. If someone who is reading this
is<BR>>>> still<BR>>>> torn I wouldn't be surprised
though since there are all sorts of shades<BR>>>>
in<BR>>>> the continuum.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I was
talking to my daughter and a friend one day. I went off on
a<BR>>>> tangent<BR>>>> tangling all sorts of events
together rather randomly. They started<BR>>>>
laughing<BR>>>> and saying something akin to how do you make it
from day to day. And I<BR>>>> said<BR>>>> you guys are
pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know and
follow<BR>>>> rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an
artist and I am paid to<BR>>>> break<BR>>>> the rules.
No one wants to hear from me if it has already been
done.<BR>>>><BR>>>> What did you teach before you
retired? Ann<BR>>>><BR>>>> Ann
Cunningham<BR>>>> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the
world!<BR>>>> 303 238 4760<BR>>>> <A
href="mailto:ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.acunningham.com"
target=_blank>http://www.acunningham.com</A><BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.sensationalbooks.com"
target=_blank>http://www.sensationalbooks.com</A><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>>
-------- Original Message --------<BR>>>>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>>>>> From:
"Lynda Lambert" <<A href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>>>>>
Date: Fri, February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>>>>> To: "An
exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>>>>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Hi Laurie,<BR>>>>> So nice to see you here. I did not start
this group though, I am like<BR>>>>> you, I just came on to
ask a question about something I needed to know<BR>>>>>
and<BR>>>>> was so glad to meet Ann who helped me with my
question. I am furiously<BR>>>>> working right now (oops,
split that infinitive!) getting work done for<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>> opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum -
the show is called<BR>>>>> _Vision and Revision: Two artists
with limited sight, not limited<BR>>>>> vision_ It is my
pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally<BR>>>>>
blind<BR>>>>> painter. It opens one month from today, and if
I stop to think about<BR>>>>> what<BR>>>>> else
has to be done yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but
<BR>>>>> just<BR>>>>> will keep on working on
the details. The show will appear at two<BR>>>>>
locations<BR>>>>> this year and will have a video that plays
in the gallery with the art<BR>>>>> works, Braille labeling,
and artist's talks. I will even be teaching in<BR>>>>> the
gallery one afternoon, for the Women in the Arts course at
Geneva<BR>>>>> College. That is where I taught when I was a
professor of fine arts and<BR>>>>> humanities, before I
retired. I'll be lecturing on the historical<BR>>>>>
context<BR>>>>> of my work and where the ideas have come
from when creating it.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> To make
matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at
a<BR>>>>> conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for
two sessions, the day<BR>>>>> before we hang our show. So, I
have those presentations to be working <BR>>>>>
on<BR>>>>> every day now, too. I officially retired from
teaching 5 1/2 years <BR>>>>> ago,<BR>>>>> but I
am still very much involved in everything but being in
the<BR>>>>>
classroom.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Here is my response
to the question you have asked. The gap between an<BR>>>>>
artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide.
Some<BR>>>>> basic things may be similar between the two,
but most things are very<BR>>>>> far<BR>>>>>
apart philisophically.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Both work
with the hands, and both love working with the hands and
most<BR>>>>> have done it all their
life.<BR>>>>> Both love the materials, and the handling of
them, and the satisfaction<BR>>>>> of<BR>>>>>
the finished product that comes out of
it.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> While the crafter will
usually be satisfied with beginning something <BR>>>>>
and<BR>>>>> knowing where the end will be, the artist begins
with no notion of <BR>>>>> where<BR>>>>> the end
will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a
clearly<BR>>>>> defined<BR>>>>> path to the
finished product. The artist has only some inklings
of<BR>>>>> possible outcomes, but has to find them as she
works.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> The other very big thing
I see as a difference between them is that the<BR>>>>>
crafter has 'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from
those<BR>>>>> rules, as they are set in stone in her mind.
On the other hand, the<BR>>>>> mature<BR>>>>>
artist has learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin
in<BR>>>>> the<BR>>>>> early stages by learning
techniques, but eventually with the years of<BR>>>>>
working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers one
day<BR>>>>> - she is free of all rules when making art.
Everything can be<BR>>>>> challenged,<BR>>>>>
everything can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the
artist.<BR>>>>> Is<BR>>>>> there any other
profession in this world where there are no rules?
It's<BR>>>>> the most exhilerating feeling to know that
there are absolutely no <BR>>>>> rules<BR>>>>>
whatsoever for me. Wow, makes me take a deep breath just to say
it.<BR>>>>> Free,<BR>>>>> free, free, at
last!<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Laurie, the biggest
difference between art and a craft is where the<BR>>>>>
person<BR>>>>> eventually takes the techniques, I
think.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> A crafter seldom takes
things to a different level but is usually<BR>>>>>
content<BR>>>>> to learn something then duplicate it
endlessly, then moves on to learn<BR>>>>> something else and
does that again with it. The artist can take crafts<BR>>>>>
materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and
then<BR>>>>> take<BR>>>>> them far beyond
because they will combine their techniques and <BR>>>>>
materials<BR>>>>> with the imagination. If you can teach it,
it is usually a craft. If<BR>>>>> you<BR>>>>>
cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art can begin by learning
some<BR>>>>> techniques, or using craft materials, but then
the person begins to ask<BR>>>>> the "what if" questions,
and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends <BR>>>>>
in<BR>>>>> the road on the way to it becoming a work of art.
It is a "mind set"<BR>>>>> that<BR>>>>> is never
satisfied with just the learning of something new, but one
<BR>>>>> that<BR>>>>> constantly questions,
experiments, and never knows where the "end" will<BR>>>>>
be, or even if it will be. A "crafter" will never understand what
I<BR>>>>> have<BR>>>>> just said and will most
likely be huffing and puffing and angry with <BR>>>>>
it.<BR>>>>> An "artist" is standing and applauding what I
have said. It is that<BR>>>>> simple, and that complex. The
artist thrives on change and making new<BR>>>>> discoveries
and each work leads to other querstions and more change
and<BR>>>>> more new
discoveries.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> One can see the
difference when you look at work in types of<BR>>>>>
environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full
of<BR>>>>> things that are basically all the same while the
other will have work<BR>>>>> on<BR>>>>> display
in a gallery or museum. Each has decided where they "fit"
and<BR>>>>> each is very happy with where they are. They are
different animals, <BR>>>>> with<BR>>>>>
different ideas, and different end results and outcomes. Each one
has<BR>>>>> decided their own path and each one is
comfortable with the decision <BR>>>>>
she<BR>>>>> has
made.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Lynda<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Lynda<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>>> From: Laurie
Porter<BR>>>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>>>>>>
Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Hi
Folks:<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> I'd like to
introduce myself. I'm a blind person from wisconsin who
is<BR>>>>>> a<BR>>>>>> fledgling and
budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork. I
make<BR>>>>>> pictures and tapestries out of tiny little
seed beads sewn together<BR>>>>>>
with<BR>>>>>> thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I have always<BR>>>>>>
looked<BR>>>>>> upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> so, I have a basic
question. What is the difference between an art
and<BR>>>>>> a<BR>>>>>> craft? I do
believe that all crafts are forms of art but are all
arts<BR>>>>>> considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of
you for getting this list<BR>>>>>> going as it is
something I've always dreamed of seeing in our
efforts<BR>>>>>> to<BR>>>>>> bring blind
people together who love to both create and appreciate
the<BR>>>>>> visual arts.<BR>>>>>>
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Fri, 7 Feb 2014 13:26:55 -0500<BR>> From: "Patricia C. Estes" <<A
href="mailto:pece03@gmail.com"
target=_blank>pece03@gmail.com</A>><BR>> To: "An exploration of
art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
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[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>> Message-ID:
<95E84F42EA7F4ADFA9DF888A9D45EA90@Wellness><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Hooray for "outrageous and
for all of you for taking the time to <BR>> articulate<BR>> these
distinctions.<BR>> I absolutely agree and have been an artist and
crafter simultaneously. I <BR>> am<BR>> back to my art and love
the discovery of it-but I will admit, my left <BR>> brain<BR>>
does like rules and instructions-but my Girl Brain is winning! (no put
<BR>> down<BR>> to Boy Brains, just a family
joke).<BR>><BR>> Right on! Right on, Linda!<BR>> pece
out<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda
Lambert<BR>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind
persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:44 AM<BR>>
Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous conversation,
I know. lol I better get back<BR>> to the studio before I cause a
riot, but this should be a good place for a<BR>> discussion like
this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a
fine line between the<BR>> two, it is very clear and distinct. And
artist or a crafter can take the<BR>> exact same materials, but the
mind that works with them is quite different<BR>> and the results are
quite different. It's really about "ideas" and<BR>> "concepts" and
what we are thinking about as we work, and where we go with<BR>> the
materials in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA there is a
<BR>> very<BR>> fine museum/gallery called the Society of
Contemporary Crafts - now, what <BR>> is<BR>> done there, and
shown there is high art. So there is crafts and there is<BR>> CRAFT,
too. There is the "crafter" and there is the "Craftsman." very<BR>>
distinct differences between them - and as a sculptor you would be
very<BR>> aware of this, too.<BR>><BR>> I was so fortunate to
teach in a small private college (Geneva College, <BR>> in<BR>>
western PA) where I was free to teach across disciplines, as I have my
<BR>> MFA<BR>> in painting/printmaking, and my MA in English
Literature. Because of this<BR>> background, I was very marketable
for a good position. I was able to <BR>> create<BR>>
multi-discipline courses - alway a combination of literature and art,
as<BR>> well as studio courses in painting, fiber arts, printmaking,
drawing. It <BR>> was<BR>> a dream of a job, working in
interdisciplinary studies and doing so many<BR>> projects with profs
in other disciplines. I was very active in <BR>> conferences<BR>>
on interdisciplinary studies. I created an European experience for art
<BR>> and<BR>> literature students and we lived in Austria every
summer and then traveled<BR>> to other countries. I even had an art
exhibition in Austria for my <BR>> students<BR>> every summer.
They worked so hard in the studio and out on location every<BR>> day,
and at the end of the month they had a show - so much fun. I also
<BR>> did<BR>> this with Puerto Rico, and students came to PR with
me each spring as part<BR>> of their course in Puerto Rico Culture -
which I have continued to visit<BR>> every March even though I am now
retired. It bacame how we spent our <BR>> spring<BR>>
time.<BR>><BR>> OK, back to my studio where I am working my tail
off to get a piece done<BR>> today!<BR>> Lynda<BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>Ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> To: An exploration of art
by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:08
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading this is<BR>> still torn I wouldn't be
surprised though since there are all sorts of<BR>> shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a
friend one day. I went off on a<BR>> tangent tangling all sorts of
events together rather randomly. They <BR>> started<BR>> laughing
and saying something akin to how do you make it from day to day.<BR>>
And I said you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know
and<BR>> follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist
and I am paid <BR>> to<BR>> break the rules. No one wants to hear
from me if it has already been done.<BR>><BR>><BR>> What did
you teach before you retired? Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann
Cunningham<BR>> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the
world!<BR>> 303 238 4760<BR>> <A href="mailto:ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> <A
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-------- Original Message --------<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>> From: "Lynda
Lambert" <<A href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>> Date: Fri,
February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by and for
blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start
this group though, I am <BR>> like<BR>> you, I just came on to ask
a question about something I needed to know and<BR>> was so glad to
meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am furiously<BR>> working
right now (oops, split that infinitive!) getting work done for
the<BR>> opening of a two-person exhibition at a museum - the show is
called <BR>> _Vision<BR>> and Revision: Two artists with limited
sight, not limited vision_ It is <BR>> my<BR>> pottery and
mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind painter. It opens<BR>>
one month from today, and if I stop to think about what else has to be
<BR>> done<BR>> yet, I'll get nervous. So, I won't do that, but
just will keep on working <BR>> on<BR>> the details. The show will
appear at two locations this year and will have <BR>> a<BR>> video
that plays in the gallery with the art works, Braille labeling,
and<BR>> artist's talks. I will even be teaching in the gallery one
afternoon, for<BR>> the Women in the Arts course at Geneva College.
That is where I taught <BR>> when<BR>> I was a professor of fine
arts and humanities, before I retired. I'll be<BR>> lecturing on the
historical context of my work and where the ideas have <BR>>
come<BR>> from when creating it.<BR>><BR>> To make matters even
more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at a<BR>> conference at
Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions, the day<BR>> before
we hang our show. So, I have those presentations to be working
on<BR>> every day now, too. I officially retired from teaching 5 1/2
years ago, <BR>> but<BR>> I am still very much involved in
everything but being in the classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here is my
response to the question you have asked. The gap between <BR>>
an<BR>> artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that
wide. Some <BR>> basic<BR>> things may be similar between the two,
but most things are very far apart<BR>>
philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both work with the hands, and both love
working with the hands and<BR>> most have done it all their
life.<BR>> Both love the materials, and the handling of them, and
the<BR>> satisfaction of the finished product that comes out of
it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter will usually be satisfied with
beginning something<BR>> and knowing where the end will be, the
artist begins with no notion of <BR>> where<BR>> the end will be
or even if it will be. the crafter has a clearly defined<BR>> path to
the finished product. The artist has only some inklings of <BR>>
possible<BR>> outcomes, but has to find them as she
works.<BR>><BR>> The other very big thing I see as a difference
between them is that<BR>> the crafter has 'rules" to follow and
seldom will ever deviate from those<BR>> rules, as they are set in
stone in her mind. On the other hand, the mature<BR>> artist has
learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin in the<BR>>
early stages by learning techniques, but eventually with the years
of<BR>> working, the light comes on in her brain when she discovers
one day - she <BR>> is<BR>> free of all rules when making art.
Everything can be challenged, <BR>> everything<BR>> can be
changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is there
any<BR>> other profession in this world where there are no rules?
It's the most<BR>> exhilerating feeling to know that there are
absolutely no rules whatsoever<BR>> for me. Wow, makes me take a deep
breath just to say it. Free, free, free,<BR>> at
last!<BR>><BR>> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a
craft is where the<BR>> person eventually takes the techniques, I
think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter seldom takes things to a different
level but is usually<BR>> content to learn something then duplicate
it endlessly, then moves on to<BR>> learn something else and does
that again with it. The artist can take <BR>> crafts<BR>>
materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and then
take<BR>> them far beyond because they will combine their techniques
and materials<BR>> with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is
usually a craft. If you<BR>> cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art
can begin by learning some<BR>> techniques, or using craft materials,
but then the person begins to ask <BR>> the<BR>> "what if"
questions, and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends in the<BR>>
road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set" that
is<BR>> never satisfied with just the learning of something new, but
one that<BR>> constantly questions, experiments, and never knows
where the "end" will <BR>> be,<BR>> or even if it will be. A
"crafter" will never understand what I have just<BR>> said and will
most likely be huffing and puffing and angry with it. An<BR>>
"artist" is standing and applauding what I have said. It is that simple,
<BR>> and<BR>> that complex. The artist thrives on change and
making new discoveries and<BR>> each work leads to other querstions
and more change and more new<BR>> discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One
can see the difference when you look at work in types of<BR>>
environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full
of<BR>> things that are basically all the same while the other will
have work on<BR>> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided
where they "fit" and <BR>> each<BR>> is very happy with where they
are. They are different animals, with<BR>> different ideas, and
different end results and outcomes. Each one has<BR>> decided their
own path and each one is comfortable with the decision she <BR>>
has<BR>> made.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: Laurie Porter<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A><BR>> Sent: Thursday,
February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or
crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d
like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from wisconsin who<BR>>
is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork. I
make<BR>> pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads sewn
together with<BR>> thread. but most of my work is in making jewlry,
but I have always looked<BR>> upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the
difference between an art<BR>> and a craft? I do believe that all
crafts are forms of art but are all <BR>> arts<BR>> considered
crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list going<BR>>
as it is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts to
bring<BR>> blind people together who love to both create and
appreciate the visual<BR>> arts.<BR>><BR>>
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Fri, 7 Feb 2014 13:48:48 -0500<BR>> From: "Lynda Lambert" <<A
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exploration of art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
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<0C82603A06C14829A1FDF9CA9822F0BB@Lambert><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Patricia, I just finished
reading the book "The Female Brain" by Luann<BR>> Brizendine, and OH,
HOw I wish I had this wonderful information a long <BR>> time<BR>>
ago. Raising my brood of children would have been so much easier if I
had<BR>> known these things about the differences between male and
female brains.<BR>> And, my goodness, I would have been a much better
teacher, too. I would <BR>> have<BR>> a better understanding of my
fellow human beings - but at least I do<BR>> understand a lot more
about it now since reading this book. It was so<BR>> enlightening to
me and I was telling my husband all about it as we would<BR>> ride
along in the truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it is like
this<BR>> conversation we are having right now in this truck." This
was his insight<BR>> as I was rapidly sharing so much information as
he sat quietly<BR>> listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand
this conversation here in<BR>> this truck so much better." We
laughed.<BR>><BR>> Of course we are both crafters and artists -
one feeds into the other. We<BR>> all begin somewhere - and for me,
it begins with my mother taking an<BR>> afternoon to teach me how to
do some embroidery stitches and to creat a<BR>> picture on a linen
tea towel - I was probably 8 years old. Then, it<BR>> continues on
with my precious neighbor taking an hour each morning, one<BR>>
summer, to teach me how to read a pattern and how to sew a blouse,
skirt,<BR>> and then an entire outfit - I was about 10. We learn from
those around us,<BR>> and how lucky we were to have them in our life.
What I do today, is an<BR>> homage to those women in my life so long
ago. I celebrate them with every<BR>> stitch I make in my art these
days. And, I say "thank you" to them for<BR>> giving me the
beginnings of who I am today, and who I am becoming with <BR>>
each<BR>> new day and each new idea I work with.<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>> <A
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----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>>
To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday,
February 07, 2014 1:26 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts
or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hooray for "outrageous and
for all of you for taking the time to<BR>> articulate these
distinctions.<BR>> I absolutely agree and have been an artist and
crafter simultaneously. I<BR>> am back to my art and love the
discovery of it-but I will admit, my left<BR>> brain does like rules
and instructions-but my Girl Brain is winning! (no <BR>> put<BR>>
down to Boy Brains, just a family joke).<BR>><BR>> Right on! Right
on, Linda!<BR>> pece out<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An exploration of art by and
for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:44
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous conversation,
I know. lol I better get<BR>> back to the studio before I cause a
riot, but this should be a good place<BR>> for a discussion like
this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a
fine line between <BR>> the<BR>> two, it is very clear and
distinct. And artist or a crafter can take the<BR>> exact same
materials, but the mind that works with them is quite different<BR>>
and the results are quite different. It's really about "ideas"
and<BR>> "concepts" and what we are thinking about as we work, and
where we go with<BR>> the materials in our process of working. In
Pittsburgh, PA there is a <BR>> very<BR>> fine museum/gallery
called the Society of Contemporary Crafts - now, what <BR>>
is<BR>> done there, and shown there is high art. So there is crafts
and there is<BR>> CRAFT, too. There is the "crafter" and there is the
"Craftsman." very<BR>> distinct differences between them - and as a
sculptor you would be very<BR>> aware of this, too.<BR>><BR>> I
was so fortunate to teach in a small private college (Geneva
College,<BR>> in western PA) where I was free to teach across
disciplines, as I have my<BR>> MFA in painting/printmaking, and my MA
in English Literature. Because of<BR>> this background, I was very
marketable for a good position. I was able to<BR>> create
multi-discipline courses - alway a combination of literature and
<BR>> art,<BR>> as well as studio courses in painting, fiber arts,
printmaking, drawing. <BR>> It<BR>> was a dream of a job, working
in interdisciplinary studies and doing so <BR>> many<BR>> projects
with profs in other disciplines. I was very active in <BR>>
conferences<BR>> on interdisciplinary studies. I created an European
experience for art <BR>> and<BR>> literature students and we lived
in Austria every summer and then traveled<BR>> to other countries. I
even had an art exhibition in Austria for my <BR>> students<BR>>
every summer. They worked so hard in the studio and out on location
every<BR>> day, and at the end of the month they had a show - so much
fun. I also <BR>> did<BR>> this with Puerto Rico, and students
came to PR with me each spring as part<BR>> of their course in Puerto
Rico Culture - which I have continued to visit<BR>> every March even
though I am now retired. It bacame how we spent our <BR>>
spring<BR>> time.<BR>><BR>> OK, back to my studio where I am
working my tail off to get a piece <BR>> done<BR>> today!<BR>>
Lynda<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>Ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> To: An exploration of art
by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:08
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading this <BR>> is<BR>> still torn I wouldn't be
surprised though since there are all sorts of<BR>> shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a
friend one day. I went off on a<BR>> tangent tangling all sorts of
events together rather randomly. They <BR>> started<BR>> laughing
and saying something akin to how do you make it from day to day.<BR>>
And I said you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know
and<BR>> follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist
and I am paid <BR>> to<BR>> break the rules. No one wants to hear
from me if it has already been done.<BR>><BR>><BR>> What did
you teach before you retired? Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann
Cunningham<BR>> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the
world!<BR>> 303 238 4760<BR>> <A href="mailto:ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> <A
href="http://www.acunningham.com"
target=_blank>http://www.acunningham.com</A><BR>> <A
href="http://www.sensationalbooks.com"
target=_blank>http://www.sensationalbooks.com</A><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
-------- Original Message --------<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>> From: "Lynda
Lambert" <<A href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>> Date: Fri,
February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by and for
blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start
this group though, I am<BR>> like you, I just came on to ask a
question about something I needed to <BR>> know<BR>> and was so
glad to meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am <BR>>
furiously<BR>> working right now (oops, split that infinitive!)
getting work done for the<BR>> opening of a two-person exhibition at
a museum - the show is called <BR>> _Vision<BR>> and Revision: Two
artists with limited sight, not limited vision_ It is <BR>>
my<BR>> pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind
painter. It opens<BR>> one month from today, and if I stop to think
about what else has to be <BR>> done<BR>> yet, I'll get nervous.
So, I won't do that, but just will keep on working <BR>> on<BR>>
the details. The show will appear at two locations this year and will
have <BR>> a<BR>> video that plays in the gallery with the art
works, Braille labeling, and<BR>> artist's talks. I will even be
teaching in the gallery one afternoon, for<BR>> the Women in the Arts
course at Geneva College. That is where I taught <BR>> when<BR>> I
was a professor of fine arts and humanities, before I retired. I'll
be<BR>> lecturing on the historical context of my work and where the
ideas have <BR>> come<BR>> from when creating it.<BR>><BR>>
To make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at
a<BR>> conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions,
the day<BR>> before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations
to be working on<BR>> every day now, too. I officially retired from
teaching 5 1/2 years ago, <BR>> but<BR>> I am still very much
involved in everything but being in the classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here
is my response to the question you have asked. The gap between<BR>>
an artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that wide.
Some<BR>> basic things may be similar between the two, but most
things are very far<BR>> apart philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both
work with the hands, and both love working with the hands and<BR>>
most have done it all their life.<BR>> Both love the materials, and
the handling of them, and the<BR>> satisfaction of the finished
product that comes out of it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter will
usually be satisfied with beginning <BR>> something<BR>> and
knowing where the end will be, the artist begins with no notion of
<BR>> where<BR>> the end will be or even if it will be. the
crafter has a clearly defined<BR>> path to the finished product. The
artist has only some inklings of <BR>> possible<BR>> outcomes, but
has to find them as she works.<BR>><BR>> The other very big thing
I see as a difference between them is that<BR>> the crafter has
'rules" to follow and seldom will ever deviate from those<BR>> rules,
as they are set in stone in her mind. On the other hand, the
mature<BR>> artist has learned that there are no rules at all. They
may begin in the<BR>> early stages by learning techniques, but
eventually with the years of<BR>> working, the light comes on in her
brain when she discovers one day - she <BR>> is<BR>> free of all
rules when making art. Everything can be challenged, <BR>>
everything<BR>> can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the
artist. Is there any<BR>> other profession in this world where there
are no rules? It's the most<BR>> exhilerating feeling to know that
there are absolutely no rules whatsoever<BR>> for me. Wow, makes me
take a deep breath just to say it. Free, free, free,<BR>> at
last!<BR>><BR>> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a
craft is where the<BR>> person eventually takes the techniques, I
think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter seldom takes things to a different
level but is usually<BR>> content to learn something then duplicate
it endlessly, then moves on to<BR>> learn something else and does
that again with it. The artist can take <BR>> crafts<BR>>
materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and then
take<BR>> them far beyond because they will combine their techniques
and materials<BR>> with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is
usually a craft. If you<BR>> cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art
can begin by learning some<BR>> techniques, or using craft materials,
but then the person begins to ask <BR>> the<BR>> "what if"
questions, and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends in the<BR>>
road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set" that
is<BR>> never satisfied with just the learning of something new, but
one that<BR>> constantly questions, experiments, and never knows
where the "end" will <BR>> be,<BR>> or even if it will be. A
"crafter" will never understand what I have just<BR>> said and will
most likely be huffing and puffing and angry with it. An<BR>>
"artist" is standing and applauding what I have said. It is that simple,
<BR>> and<BR>> that complex. The artist thrives on change and
making new discoveries and<BR>> each work leads to other querstions
and more change and more new<BR>> discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One
can see the difference when you look at work in types of<BR>>
environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full
of<BR>> things that are basically all the same while the other will
have work on<BR>> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided
where they "fit" and <BR>> each<BR>> is very happy with where they
are. They are different animals, with<BR>> different ideas, and
different end results and outcomes. Each one has<BR>> decided their
own path and each one is comfortable with the decision she <BR>>
has<BR>> made.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: Laurie Porter<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>Artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A><BR>> Sent: Thursday,
February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or
crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d
like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from wisconsin<BR>> who
is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork.
I<BR>> make pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads
sewn together<BR>> with thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I have always<BR>> looked upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the
difference between an <BR>> art<BR>> and a craft? I do believe
that all crafts are forms of art but are all <BR>> arts<BR>>
considered crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list
going<BR>> as it is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our
efforts to bring<BR>> blind people together who love to both create
and appreciate the visual<BR>> arts.<BR>><BR>>
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Fri, 7 Feb 2014 20:54:43 -0500<BR>> From: "Patricia C. Estes" <<A
href="mailto:pece03@gmail.com"
target=_blank>pece03@gmail.com</A>><BR>> To: "An exploration of
art by and for blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>> Subject: Re:
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<35AF1D7D30354C14A11963A2A17E797B@Wellness><BR>> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR>><BR>> Linda, the brain is so
fascinating-or is it the mind?? My first real<BR>> understanding of
it (before I studied holistic psychology and energy<BR>> medicine)
was when our youngest was caught doing something or other that<BR>>
five year olds do, and he burst into tears and managed to blurt
out<BR>> emphatically, "My girl brain made me do it!"<BR>> Yes,
Luke, I know what you mean! But he didn't go to school, yet, and
we<BR>> didn't have a TV...I think he just *knew*.<BR>> Dr.
Christian Northrop teaches about the female brain, too. Her example
is<BR>> that she and her, then, husband were flying somewhere and she
noticed that<BR>> she was reading "Enriching the Mother/Daughter
Relationship" and he was<BR>> reading "How to get the most out of
your Band Saw."<BR>> To bring art into this, I am sure you are
familiar with the book,"Drawing <BR>> on<BR>> the Right side of
the Brain." Pretty fascinating, if one has time to<BR>> complicate
one's life by experimenting with drawing things upside down.<BR>>
Energetically, if you want to engage both hemispheres, Brain Gym says
to<BR>> "think of an X." And to relax the mind, think of two parallel
lines.<BR>><BR>> OK, I'm taking my parallel lines and heading to
bed,<BR>> Patty<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From:
Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An exploration of art by and for blind
persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:48 PM<BR>> Subject:
Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Patricia, I just finished reading the
book "The Female Brain" by Luann<BR>> Brizendine, and OH, HOw I wish
I had this wonderful information a long <BR>> time<BR>> ago.
Raising my brood of children would have been so much easier if I
had<BR>> known these things about the differences between male and
female brains.<BR>> And, my goodness, I would have been a much better
teacher, too. I would <BR>> have<BR>> a better understanding of my
fellow human beings - but at least I do<BR>> understand a lot more
about it now since reading this book. It was so<BR>> enlightening to
me and I was telling my husband all about it as we would<BR>> ride
along in the truck. One day he said to me, "I guess it is like
this<BR>> conversation we are having right now in this truck." This
was his insight<BR>> as I was rapidly sharing so much information as
he sat quietly<BR>> listening...lol I said, "Yes, now I understand
this conversation here in<BR>> this truck so much better." We
laughed.<BR>><BR>> Of course we are both crafters and artists -
one feeds into the other. We<BR>> all begin somewhere - and for me,
it begins with my mother taking an<BR>> afternoon to teach me how to
do some embroidery stitches and to creat a<BR>> picture on a linen
tea towel - I was probably 8 years old. Then, it<BR>> continues on
with my precious neighbor taking an hour each morning, one<BR>>
summer, to teach me how to read a pattern and how to sew a blouse,
skirt,<BR>> and then an entire outfit - I was about 10. We learn from
those around us,<BR>> and how lucky we were to have them in our life.
What I do today, is an<BR>> homage to those women in my life so long
ago. I celebrate them with every<BR>> stitch I make in my art these
days. And, I say "thank you" to them for<BR>> giving me the
beginnings of who I am today, and who I am becoming with <BR>>
each<BR>> new day and each new idea I work with.<BR>><BR>>
Lynda<BR>><BR>> <BR>> <A
href="http://www.amazon.com/Louann-Brizendine/e/B001H6RZB8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1391798400&sr=1-1"
target=_blank>http://www.amazon.com/Louann-Brizendine/e/B001H6RZB8/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1391798400&sr=1-1</A><BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Patricia C. Estes<BR>>
To: An exploration of art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday,
February 07, 2014 1:26 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts
or crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hooray for "outrageous and
for all of you for taking the time to<BR>> articulate these
distinctions.<BR>> I absolutely agree and have been an artist and
crafter simultaneously. <BR>> I<BR>> am back to my art and love
the discovery of it-but I will admit, my left<BR>> brain does like
rules and instructions-but my Girl Brain is winning! (no <BR>>
put<BR>> down to Boy Brains, just a family joke).<BR>><BR>>
Right on! Right on, Linda!<BR>> pece out<BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> From: Lynda Lambert<BR>> To: An exploration of
art by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014
11:44 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Well, this is an outrageous conversation,
I know. lol I better get<BR>> back to the studio before I cause a
riot, but this should be a good place<BR>> for a discussion like
this.<BR>><BR>> That is great, Ann! So true. There is really not a
fine line between<BR>> the two, it is very clear and distinct. And
artist or a crafter can take <BR>> the<BR>> exact same materials,
but the mind that works with them is quite different<BR>> and the
results are quite different. It's really about "ideas" and<BR>>
"concepts" and what we are thinking about as we work, and where we go
with<BR>> the materials in our process of working. In Pittsburgh, PA
there is a <BR>> very<BR>> fine museum/gallery called the Society
of Contemporary Crafts - now, what <BR>> is<BR>> done there, and
shown there is high art. So there is crafts and there is<BR>> CRAFT,
too. There is the "crafter" and there is the "Craftsman." very<BR>>
distinct differences between them - and as a sculptor you would be
very<BR>> aware of this, too.<BR>><BR>> I was so fortunate to
teach in a small private college (Geneva<BR>> College, in western PA)
where I was free to teach across disciplines, as <BR>> I<BR>> have
my MFA in painting/printmaking, and my MA in English Literature.<BR>>
Because of this background, I was very marketable for a good position.
I<BR>> was able to create multi-discipline courses - alway a
combination of<BR>> literature and art, as well as studio courses in
painting, fiber arts,<BR>> printmaking, drawing. It was a dream of a
job, working in <BR>> interdisciplinary<BR>> studies and doing so
many projects with profs in other disciplines. I was<BR>> very active
in conferences on interdisciplinary studies. I created an<BR>>
European experience for art and literature students and we lived in
<BR>> Austria<BR>> every summer and then traveled to other
countries. I even had an art<BR>> exhibition in Austria for my
students every summer. They worked so hard <BR>> in<BR>> the
studio and out on location every day, and at the end of the month
they<BR>> had a show - so much fun. I also did this with Puerto Rico,
and students<BR>> came to PR with me each spring as part of their
course in Puerto Rico<BR>> Culture - which I have continued to visit
every March even though I am now<BR>> retired. It bacame how we spent
our spring time.<BR>><BR>> OK, back to my studio where I am
working my tail off to get a piece<BR>> done today!<BR>>
Lynda<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:Ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>Ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> To: An exploration of art
by and for blind persons<BR>> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:08
AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new
member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Lynda, Nice answer to craft and art. If
someone who is reading this<BR>> is still torn I wouldn't be
surprised though since there are all sorts of<BR>> shades in the
continuum.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I was talking to my daughter and a
friend one day. I went off on a<BR>> tangent tangling all sorts of
events together rather randomly. They <BR>> started<BR>> laughing
and saying something akin to how do you make it from day to day.<BR>>
And I said you guys are pilots and for you to be a good pilot you know
and<BR>> follow rules. That is what they pay you for. I am an artist
and I am paid <BR>> to<BR>> break the rules. No one wants to hear
from me if it has already been done.<BR>><BR>><BR>> What did
you teach before you retired? Ann<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ann
Cunningham<BR>> Tactile Art - a creative way to see the
world!<BR>> 303 238 4760<BR>> <A href="mailto:ann@acunningham.com"
target=_blank>ann@acunningham.com</A><BR>> <A
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target=_blank>http://www.acunningham.com</A><BR>> <A
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target=_blank>http://www.sensationalbooks.com</A><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
-------- Original Message --------<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Artists-making-art] arts or crafts new member<BR>> From: "Lynda
Lambert" <<A href="mailto:llambert@zoominternet.net"
target=_blank>llambert@zoominternet.net</A>><BR>> Date: Fri,
February 07, 2014 6:03 am<BR>> To: "An exploration of art by and for
blind persons"<BR>> <<A
href="mailto:artists-making-art@nfbnet.org"
target=_blank>artists-making-art@nfbnet.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
?<BR>> Hi Laurie,<BR>> So nice to see you here. I did not start
this group though, I am<BR>> like you, I just came on to ask a
question about something I needed to <BR>> know<BR>> and was so
glad to meet Ann who helped me with my question. I am <BR>>
furiously<BR>> working right now (oops, split that infinitive!)
getting work done for the<BR>> opening of a two-person exhibition at
a museum - the show is called <BR>> _Vision<BR>> and Revision: Two
artists with limited sight, not limited vision_ It is <BR>>
my<BR>> pottery and mixed-media fiber works, and a legally blind
painter. It opens<BR>> one month from today, and if I stop to think
about what else has to be <BR>> done<BR>> yet, I'll get nervous.
So, I won't do that, but just will keep on working <BR>> on<BR>>
the details. The show will appear at two locations this year and will
have <BR>> a<BR>> video that plays in the gallery with the art
works, Braille labeling, and<BR>> artist's talks. I will even be
teaching in the gallery one afternoon, for<BR>> the Women in the Arts
course at Geneva College. That is where I taught <BR>> when<BR>> I
was a professor of fine arts and humanities, before I retired. I'll
be<BR>> lecturing on the historical context of my work and where the
ideas have <BR>> come<BR>> from when creating it.<BR>><BR>>
To make matters even more difficult, I am scheduled to speak at
a<BR>> conference at Slippery Rock University of PA for two sessions,
the day<BR>> before we hang our show. So, I have those presentations
to be working on<BR>> every day now, too. I officially retired from
teaching 5 1/2 years ago, <BR>> but<BR>> I am still very much
involved in everything but being in the classroom.<BR>><BR>> Here
is my response to the question you have asked. The gap<BR>> between
an artist and a crafter is like crossing the ocean, it is that <BR>>
wide.<BR>> Some basic things may be similar between the two, but most
things are very<BR>> far apart philisophically.<BR>><BR>> Both
work with the hands, and both love working with the hands <BR>>
and<BR>> most have done it all their life.<BR>> Both love the
materials, and the handling of them, and the<BR>> satisfaction of the
finished product that comes out of it.<BR>><BR>> While the crafter
will usually be satisfied with beginning<BR>> something and knowing
where the end will be, the artist begins with no<BR>> notion of where
the end will be or even if it will be. the crafter has a<BR>> clearly
defined path to the finished product. The artist has only some<BR>>
inklings of possible outcomes, but has to find them as she
works.<BR>><BR>> The other very big thing I see as a difference
between them is<BR>> that the crafter has 'rules" to follow and
seldom will ever deviate from<BR>> those rules, as they are set in
stone in her mind. On the other hand, the<BR>> mature artist has
learned that there are no rules at all. They may begin <BR>>
in<BR>> the early stages by learning techniques, but eventually with
the years of<BR>> working, the light comes on in her brain when she
discovers one day - she <BR>> is<BR>> free of all rules when
making art. Everything can be challenged, <BR>> everything<BR>>
can be changed, and everything is fair game, for the artist. Is there
any<BR>> other profession in this world where there are no rules?
It's the most<BR>> exhilerating feeling to know that there are
absolutely no rules whatsoever<BR>> for me. Wow, makes me take a deep
breath just to say it. Free, free, free,<BR>> at
last!<BR>><BR>> Laurie, the biggest difference between art and a
craft is where<BR>> the person eventually takes the techniques, I
think.<BR>><BR>> A crafter seldom takes things to a different
level but is usually<BR>> content to learn something then duplicate
it endlessly, then moves on to<BR>> learn something else and does
that again with it. The artist can take <BR>> crafts<BR>>
materials (which is what you and I both do) and techniques, and then
take<BR>> them far beyond because they will combine their techniques
and materials<BR>> with the imagination. If you can teach it, it is
usually a craft. If you<BR>> cannot teach it, it is normally art. Art
can begin by learning some<BR>> techniques, or using craft materials,
but then the person begins to ask <BR>> the<BR>> "what if"
questions, and takes lots of risks, failures, and bends in the<BR>>
road on the way to it becoming a work of art. It is a "mind set" that
is<BR>> never satisfied with just the learning of something new, but
one that<BR>> constantly questions, experiments, and never knows
where the "end" will <BR>> be,<BR>> or even if it will be. A
"crafter" will never understand what I have just<BR>> said and will
most likely be huffing and puffing and angry with it. An<BR>>
"artist" is standing and applauding what I have said. It is that simple,
<BR>> and<BR>> that complex. The artist thrives on change and
making new discoveries and<BR>> each work leads to other querstions
and more change and more new<BR>> discoveries.<BR>><BR>> One
can see the difference when you look at work in types of<BR>>
environments. One will be setting at a craft show with a table full
of<BR>> things that are basically all the same while the other will
have work on<BR>> display in a gallery or museum. Each has decided
where they "fit" and <BR>> each<BR>> is very happy with where they
are. They are different animals, with<BR>> different ideas, and
different end results and outcomes. Each one has<BR>> decided their
own path and each one is comfortable with the decision she <BR>>
has<BR>> made.<BR>><BR>> Lynda<BR>><BR>>
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From: Laurie Porter<BR>> To: <A
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February 06, 2014 7:26 PM<BR>> Subject: [Artists-making-art] arts or
crafts new member<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi Folks:<BR>><BR>> I?d
like to introduce myself. I?m a blind person from wisconsin<BR>> who
is a fledgling and budding beginner artist. my medium is beadwork.
I<BR>> make pictures and tapestries out of tiny little seed beads
sewn together<BR>> with thread. but most of my work is in making
jewlry, but I have always<BR>> looked upon my beadwork as an art
form.<BR>><BR>> so, I have a basic question. What is the
difference between an<BR>> art and a craft? I do believe that all
crafts are forms of art but are <BR>> all<BR>> arts considered
crafts? Thanks linda and all of you for getting this list<BR>> going
as it is something I?ve always dreamed of seeing in our efforts
to<BR>> bring blind people together who love to both create and
appreciate the<BR>> visual arts.<BR>><BR>>
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