[Blind-international-students] meeting minutes
Anmol Bhatia
anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
Fri Oct 29 15:18:59 UTC 2010
Phillip,
I totally agree with you. Thanks for saying what I have been wanting to say but did not know how to say it. Lets not get caught up on small technical issues and leave it like Philip said it.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller
--- On Thu, 10/28/10, Philip So <philipso101 at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Philip So <philipso101 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students] meeting minutes
> To: "Blind International Students Mailing List" <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 9:16 PM
> No need to worry about technical
> specifics like what is low vision,
> legally blind, etc. in our mission statement.
> At the end of the day, we simply want to serve people who
> are most in
> need, so we can just say in our mission something along the
> line of
> "people who are blind, visually impaired or have vision
> loss,
> particularly those who are most in need".
> Phil
>
> On 10/28/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Jan I agree with you, but. This is why we need to
> define what is low vision.
> > Someone who can drive and read regular print does need
> our services, but
> > what about those read large print or can read regular
> print with corrective
> > measures such as glasses? I think that those who are
> totally blind or those
> > who read braille and need cane or a dog to get around
> need our services
> > first because those are the people who have it the
> hardest and then those
> > who have low enough vision to read large print and
> need glasses to carry out
> > everyday tasks. The ironic thing is that in my country
> there would be alot
> > more people who would be considered legally blind if
> they used the same
> > standard as they used in this country and alot more
> people would be
> > attending blind schools. This is just my oppinion and
> it is off topic, but
> > most people who attend blind school do not really have
> a vision problem
> > enough to alter their lives and could make it in
> regular public schools, but
> > attend blind schools because it is easy. But
> this is best left for another
> > discussion.
> > Anmol
> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> make me sad. Perhaps
> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
> vague, like a breeze
> > among flowers.
> > Hellen Keller
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
> meeting minutes
> >> To: "Blind International Students Mailing List"
> >> <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
> >> Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 1:22 PM
> >>
> >> So, is "low vision" the same as "legally blind?"
> >>
> >> Here is the problem, when we say that we want to
> serve
> >> "those with significant vision loss,"
> >> we mean those who actually have enough vision
> loss
> >> which effects their daily living.
> >> Those who can drive or read small print, (and I
> don't
> >> know the other qualifications) yet are termed
> "legally
> >> blind,"
> >> would not really "need" our services or assistance
> and we
> >> don't want them to use them.
> >>
> >> I understand the sunglasses as a preventative
> measure for
> >> those who can already see and don't want to go
> blind.
> >> Zully, have you tried contacting industries that
> use
> >> "safety glasses?" they are a bit different, but
> would be
> >> durable and they might be able to help. Actually,
> it seems
> >> that safety glasses would work better because they
> fit
> >> closer to the eye and will not allow
> dirt/sand/dust to get
> >> between the lense and the eye. The industries (I
> think) get
> >> new glasses every so often, so will have lots of
> old ones
> >> lying around. I am sure that the manufacturers
> might have an
> >> inspection process that they go through.
> >> Since you might not demand the same durability as:
> "Let's
> >> say a welding company" you might be able to tap
> into
> >> their glasses that did not make the cut in terms
> of the
> >> welders, yet could serve your purpose well.
> >> And, I am not saying that we should not do a
> project to
> >> collect glasses and such.
> >>
> >> But, in my opinion,
> >> and this is just my own opinion
> >> (I respect the collectiveness of the group and
> will yield
> >> to majority)
> >> I think that there is a larger need with those
> whose vision
> >> loss effects many of their daily living skills in
> such a way
> >> that they are unable to find work without some
> types of
> >> accommodation or
> >> they are not able to read&write or receive an
> education
> >> comparable to their sighted peers.
> >>
> >> We still should find the exact definition of "low
> vision"
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia"
> <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >> To: "Blind International Students Mailing List"
> >> <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:28 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
> meeting
> >> minutes
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree Jan.
> >> This is the problem with us saying significant
> vision
> >> loss and I think I mentioned it in the last
> meeting.
> >> What does significant vision loss mean and to
> what
> >> degree will we consider significant vision
> loss?
> >> Unless and until we define what we consider
> >> significant vision loss it will present a
> problem for
> >> us when we provide services. Therefore, it is
> probally
> >> better for us to leave it at legally blind and we
> can
> >> determine who receives our services based on
> various factors
> >> such need, lack of funds and various factors. I
> think we
> >> need to say that we will provide tools and
> services to
> >> anyone who needs it in order to be successful
> which
> >> would include providing eye glasses for legally
> blind people
> >> in Equidor. Low vision I think is anyone who is
> >> legally blind which means that low vision is just
> a better
> >> term for legally blind. We could say that people
> with low
> >> vision excluding those with high parshel vision
> but again
> >> what do we consider high parshel? Proper language
> is vary
> >> important and significant vision loss is the
> same
> >> arguement like reasonable
> >> accomadation. Americans with Disabilities mandates
> that
> >> employeers provide reasonable accomadation, but
> does not
> >> define what is considered reasonable
> accomadation.
> >> Just my thoughts.
> >> Anmol
> >>
> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they
> never make me
> >> sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at
> times; but
> >> it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
> >> Hellen Keller
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
> meeting
> >> minutes
> >> > To: "Blind International Students Mailing
> List"
> >> > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:39 AM
> >> >
> >> > I think that it will exclude those who do not
> have
> >> > significant vision loss.
> >> > Because... .... they don't have significant
> vision
> >> loss and
> >> > therefore, we
> >> > are saying that when the vision loss is not
> >> > "significant," it does not
> >> > detour them from their daily living.
> >> >
> >> > but, we probably should define
> "Significant."
> >> > Maybe "significant vision loss," is the same
> as "low
> >> > vision."
> >> > If that has been defined, then, we can go
> with it.
> >> > I mean,
> >> > what exactly is "low,"
> >> > If there are definitions, let us know.
> >> > We did not like the "legally blind,"
> definitions
> >> because we
> >> > felt that there
> >> > were some "legally blind" individuals who
> could see
> >> quite
> >> > well and would not
> >> > need our services.
> >> > I know some here in the USA.
> >> > Jan
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Causes
> for Change
> >> International (CCI)" <Info at CausesforChange.org>
> >> > To: "'Blind International Students Mailing
> List'"
> >> > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:58 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
> meeting
> >> > minutes
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >A question. What percentage of the
> >> > > Population has "significant vision
> loss"?
> >> > > How is that defined? Will this exclude
> those
> >> > > That do not have "significant vision
> loss"?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: blind-international-students-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> > > [mailto:blind-international-students-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> > On Behalf Of Hina
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:22
> PM
> >> > > To: Blind International Students Mailing
> List
> >> > > Subject: Re:
> [Blind-international-students]
> >> meeting
> >> > minutes
> >> > >
> >> > > hi jan,
> >> > > no, but please send it to me both goals
> and
> >> mission
> >> > statement because i
> >> > > and
> >> > > philip are going to work on our web site
> this
> >> > weekend.
> >> > > hina.
> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
> "Jan
> >> Wright" <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
> >> > > To: "Blind International Students
> Mailing List"
> >> > > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:35
> PM
> >> > > Subject: Re:
> [Blind-international-students]
> >> meeting
> >> > minutes
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Hina,
> >> > > Yes. we decided to change it to "Those
> with
> >> > significant vision loss."
> >> > > That will be in the goals.
> >> > > Do you want a new copy sent to the list
> with the
> >> > revisions?
> >> > > Jan
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
> "hina
> >> altaf" <hinaaltaf1983 at gmail.com>
> >> > > To: "Blind International Students
> Mailing List"
> >> > > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:04
> AM
> >> > > Subject: Re:
> [Blind-international-students]
> >> meeting
> >> > minutes
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > dear jan, thanks for sending out the
> minutes. I
> >> think
> >> > instead of
> >> > > legally blind, we should use words like
> people
> >> with
> >> > significant vision
> >> > > lose. The time for next meeting is this
> coming
> >> sunday
> >> > at 6 pm central
> >> > > time. if anyone has any other plans
> please let me
> >> know
> >> > ahead of time.
> >> > > any suggestions of what are some of the
> projects
> >> we
> >> > can work on? zully
> >> > > the braille writer was already taken by
> someone
> >> else
> >> > and if you still
> >> > > did not recieve one, i can try a few
> other
> >> resources.
> >> > thanks.
> >> > > hina.
> >> > >
> >> > > On 10/26/10, jan wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >> The meeting Began at 8:15 P.M.
> (EST).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Those in attendance were Hina,
> Anmol,
> >> > Zaby, Jan, Philip and Imran.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The goals and mission statement were
> read
> >> again.
> >> > It was suggested and
> >> > >> adopted to change " Legally blind,"
> and
> >> "Blind and
> >> > Low Vision" to
> >> > >> "Those with significant vision
> loss."
> >> > >> It was pointed out that there are
> already
> >> > international databases of
> >> > >> organizations. So, instead of
> reinventing
> >> the
> >> > wheel, we will
> >> > >> "evaluate" already existing
> databases and
> >> make
> >> > attempts to add to them
> >> > >> or correct them if/when possible.
> >> > >> The goals and mission statement were
> accepted
> >> as
> >> > corrected.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Zaby is going to Pakistan, Karachi
> to
> >> > evaluate an organization where
> >> > >> blind people live and work. He will
> give us
> >> a
> >> > report of his findings
> >> > >> when he returns. We wish him luck
> and a safe
> >> > trip.
> >> > >> There was much discussion
> concerning
> >> publicity.
> >> > >> Anmol was to write an add for us to
> put on
> >> the
> >> > email lists, etc.
> >> > >> We realize that we don't have a
> website, yet,
> >> but
> >> > we could advertise
> >> > >> the blind-international-student
> mailing list
> >> > >> and our conference calls.
> >> > >> Anmol talked about putting an
> advertisement
> >> > in the Ziggler Magazine,
> >> > >> MIUSA and the Braille forum.
> >> > >> Hina will put something on the
> technology
> >> > list.
> >> > >> Everyone should put a blurb about
> the
> >> > organization on their email
> >> > >> lists,
> >> > >> etc.
> >> > >> We could also advertise on newsline,
> Braille
> >> > Monitor and the Student
> >> > >> division.
> >> > >> We also discussed making a web
> site.
> >> > >> Philip and Imran can create the web
> page.
> >> > >> Imran will look into setting up a
> website
> >> > and have a mailing list on
> >> > >> freelists.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> We discussed grant writing and
> defining
> >> projects
> >> > that are important to
> >> > >> us. Hina would talk to Katy about
> grant
> >> writing.
> >> > Anmol would
> >> > >> investigate the grant from AAPD.
> >> > >> Next meeting is on
> >> > Halloween. The exact time is to be
> announced.
> >> > >> This meeting was adjourned at 9:25
> P.M.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Respectfully submitted,
> >> > >> Jan Wright (am in the process of
> changing my
> >> last
> >> > name to Ahmed)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
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