[Blind-international-students] meeting minutes
Philip So
philipso101 at gmail.com
Sat Oct 30 04:40:28 UTC 2010
Yes, keep mission statement simple and non-controversial.
Phil
On 10/29/10, Info <info at causesforchange.org> wrote:
> Phillip and Anmol,
> Very well said. In a mission statement, fewer words the better. Simplicity
> is key, say what you mean and mean what you say.
>
> Mission Statements are to guide, remember also that the name of the
> organization includes the word "Network" , you refer to other groups and
> organizations if it does not meet your requirements, no one is left out
> there without having their needs met, questions answered. It is a mission
> with a heart.
> Sent from Zully
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> Sender: blind-international-students-bounces at nfbnet.org
> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:18:59
> To: Blind International Students Mailing
> List<blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students] meeting minutes
>
> Phillip,
> I totally agree with you. Thanks for saying what I have been wanting to say
> but did not know how to say it. Lets not get caught up on small technical
> issues and leave it like Philip said it.
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Philip So <philipso101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Philip So <philipso101 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students] meeting minutes
>> To: "Blind International Students Mailing List"
>> <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 9:16 PM
>> No need to worry about technical
>> specifics like what is low vision,
>> legally blind, etc. in our mission statement.
>> At the end of the day, we simply want to serve people who
>> are most in
>> need, so we can just say in our mission something along the
>> line of
>> "people who are blind, visually impaired or have vision
>> loss,
>> particularly those who are most in need".
>> Phil
>>
>> On 10/28/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Jan I agree with you, but. This is why we need to
>> define what is low vision.
>> > Someone who can drive and read regular print does need
>> our services, but
>> > what about those read large print or can read regular
>> print with corrective
>> > measures such as glasses? I think that those who are
>> totally blind or those
>> > who read braille and need cane or a dog to get around
>> need our services
>> > first because those are the people who have it the
>> hardest and then those
>> > who have low enough vision to read large print and
>> need glasses to carry out
>> > everyday tasks. The ironic thing is that in my country
>> there would be alot
>> > more people who would be considered legally blind if
>> they used the same
>> > standard as they used in this country and alot more
>> people would be
>> > attending blind schools. This is just my oppinion and
>> it is off topic, but
>> > most people who attend blind school do not really have
>> a vision problem
>> > enough to alter their lives and could make it in
>> regular public schools, but
>> > attend blind schools because it is easy. But
>> this is best left for another
>> > discussion.
>> > Anmol
>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>> make me sad. Perhaps
>> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
>> vague, like a breeze
>> > among flowers.
>> > Hellen Keller
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
>> meeting minutes
>> >> To: "Blind International Students Mailing List"
>> >> <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 1:22 PM
>> >>
>> >> So, is "low vision" the same as "legally blind?"
>> >>
>> >> Here is the problem, when we say that we want to
>> serve
>> >> "those with significant vision loss,"
>> >> we mean those who actually have enough vision
>> loss
>> >> which effects their daily living.
>> >> Those who can drive or read small print, (and I
>> don't
>> >> know the other qualifications) yet are termed
>> "legally
>> >> blind,"
>> >> would not really "need" our services or assistance
>> and we
>> >> don't want them to use them.
>> >>
>> >> I understand the sunglasses as a preventative
>> measure for
>> >> those who can already see and don't want to go
>> blind.
>> >> Zully, have you tried contacting industries that
>> use
>> >> "safety glasses?" they are a bit different, but
>> would be
>> >> durable and they might be able to help. Actually,
>> it seems
>> >> that safety glasses would work better because they
>> fit
>> >> closer to the eye and will not allow
>> dirt/sand/dust to get
>> >> between the lense and the eye. The industries (I
>> think) get
>> >> new glasses every so often, so will have lots of
>> old ones
>> >> lying around. I am sure that the manufacturers
>> might have an
>> >> inspection process that they go through.
>> >> Since you might not demand the same durability as:
>> "Let's
>> >> say a welding company" you might be able to tap
>> into
>> >> their glasses that did not make the cut in terms
>> of the
>> >> welders, yet could serve your purpose well.
>> >> And, I am not saying that we should not do a
>> project to
>> >> collect glasses and such.
>> >>
>> >> But, in my opinion,
>> >> and this is just my own opinion
>> >> (I respect the collectiveness of the group and
>> will yield
>> >> to majority)
>> >> I think that there is a larger need with those
>> whose vision
>> >> loss effects many of their daily living skills in
>> such a way
>> >> that they are unable to find work without some
>> types of
>> >> accommodation or
>> >> they are not able to read&write or receive an
>> education
>> >> comparable to their sighted peers.
>> >>
>> >> We still should find the exact definition of "low
>> vision"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia"
>> <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> >> To: "Blind International Students Mailing List"
>> >> <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:28 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
>> meeting
>> >> minutes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I agree Jan.
>> >> This is the problem with us saying significant
>> vision
>> >> loss and I think I mentioned it in the last
>> meeting.
>> >> What does significant vision loss mean and to
>> what
>> >> degree will we consider significant vision
>> loss?
>> >> Unless and until we define what we consider
>> >> significant vision loss it will present a
>> problem for
>> >> us when we provide services. Therefore, it is
>> probally
>> >> better for us to leave it at legally blind and we
>> can
>> >> determine who receives our services based on
>> various factors
>> >> such need, lack of funds and various factors. I
>> think we
>> >> need to say that we will provide tools and
>> services to
>> >> anyone who needs it in order to be successful
>> which
>> >> would include providing eye glasses for legally
>> blind people
>> >> in Equidor. Low vision I think is anyone who is
>> >> legally blind which means that low vision is just
>> a better
>> >> term for legally blind. We could say that people
>> with low
>> >> vision excluding those with high parshel vision
>> but again
>> >> what do we consider high parshel? Proper language
>> is vary
>> >> important and significant vision loss is the
>> same
>> >> arguement like reasonable
>> >> accomadation. Americans with Disabilities mandates
>> that
>> >> employeers provide reasonable accomadation, but
>> does not
>> >> define what is considered reasonable
>> accomadation.
>> >> Just my thoughts.
>> >> Anmol
>> >>
>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they
>> never make me
>> >> sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at
>> times; but
>> >> it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
>> >> Hellen Keller
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > From: Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
>> meeting
>> >> minutes
>> >> > To: "Blind International Students Mailing
>> List"
>> >> > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:39 AM
>> >> >
>> >> > I think that it will exclude those who do not
>> have
>> >> > significant vision loss.
>> >> > Because... .... they don't have significant
>> vision
>> >> loss and
>> >> > therefore, we
>> >> > are saying that when the vision loss is not
>> >> > "significant," it does not
>> >> > detour them from their daily living.
>> >> >
>> >> > but, we probably should define
>> "Significant."
>> >> > Maybe "significant vision loss," is the same
>> as "low
>> >> > vision."
>> >> > If that has been defined, then, we can go
>> with it.
>> >> > I mean,
>> >> > what exactly is "low,"
>> >> > If there are definitions, let us know.
>> >> > We did not like the "legally blind,"
>> definitions
>> >> because we
>> >> > felt that there
>> >> > were some "legally blind" individuals who
>> could see
>> >> quite
>> >> > well and would not
>> >> > need our services.
>> >> > I know some here in the USA.
>> >> > Jan
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Causes
>> for Change
>> >> International (CCI)" <Info at CausesforChange.org>
>> >> > To: "'Blind International Students Mailing
>> List'"
>> >> > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:58 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
>> meeting
>> >> > minutes
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >A question. What percentage of the
>> >> > > Population has "significant vision
>> loss"?
>> >> > > How is that defined? Will this exclude
>> those
>> >> > > That do not have "significant vision
>> loss"?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > From: blind-international-students-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> > > [mailto:blind-international-students-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >> > On Behalf Of Hina
>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:22
>> PM
>> >> > > To: Blind International Students Mailing
>> List
>> >> > > Subject: Re:
>> [Blind-international-students]
>> >> meeting
>> >> > minutes
>> >> > >
>> >> > > hi jan,
>> >> > > no, but please send it to me both goals
>> and
>> >> mission
>> >> > statement because i
>> >> > > and
>> >> > > philip are going to work on our web site
>> this
>> >> > weekend.
>> >> > > hina.
>> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
>> "Jan
>> >> Wright" <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>> >> > > To: "Blind International Students
>> Mailing List"
>> >> > > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:35
>> PM
>> >> > > Subject: Re:
>> [Blind-international-students]
>> >> meeting
>> >> > minutes
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hi Hina,
>> >> > > Yes. we decided to change it to "Those
>> with
>> >> > significant vision loss."
>> >> > > That will be in the goals.
>> >> > > Do you want a new copy sent to the list
>> with the
>> >> > revisions?
>> >> > > Jan
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
>> "hina
>> >> altaf" <hinaaltaf1983 at gmail.com>
>> >> > > To: "Blind International Students
>> Mailing List"
>> >> > > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:04
>> AM
>> >> > > Subject: Re:
>> [Blind-international-students]
>> >> meeting
>> >> > minutes
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > dear jan, thanks for sending out the
>> minutes. I
>> >> think
>> >> > instead of
>> >> > > legally blind, we should use words like
>> people
>> >> with
>> >> > significant vision
>> >> > > lose. The time for next meeting is this
>> coming
>> >> sunday
>> >> > at 6 pm central
>> >> > > time. if anyone has any other plans
>> please let me
>> >> know
>> >> > ahead of time.
>> >> > > any suggestions of what are some of the
>> projects
>> >> we
>> >> > can work on? zully
>> >> > > the braille writer was already taken by
>> someone
>> >> else
>> >> > and if you still
>> >> > > did not recieve one, i can try a few
>> other
>> >> resources.
>> >> > thanks.
>> >> > > hina.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 10/26/10, jan wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >> The meeting Began at 8:15 P.M.
>> (EST).
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Those in attendance were Hina,
>> Anmol,
>> >> > Zaby, Jan, Philip and Imran.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> The goals and mission statement were
>> read
>> >> again.
>> >> > It was suggested and
>> >> > >> adopted to change " Legally blind,"
>> and
>> >> "Blind and
>> >> > Low Vision" to
>> >> > >> "Those with significant vision
>> loss."
>> >> > >> It was pointed out that there are
>> already
>> >> > international databases of
>> >> > >> organizations. So, instead of
>> reinventing
>> >> the
>> >> > wheel, we will
>> >> > >> "evaluate" already existing
>> databases and
>> >> make
>> >> > attempts to add to them
>> >> > >> or correct them if/when possible.
>> >> > >> The goals and mission statement were
>> accepted
>> >> as
>> >> > corrected.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Zaby is going to Pakistan, Karachi
>> to
>> >> > evaluate an organization where
>> >> > >> blind people live and work. He will
>> give us
>> >> a
>> >> > report of his findings
>> >> > >> when he returns. We wish him luck
>> and a safe
>> >> > trip.
>> >> > >> There was much discussion
>> concerning
>> >> publicity.
>> >> > >> Anmol was to write an add for us to
>> put on
>> >> the
>> >> > email lists, etc.
>> >> > >> We realize that we don't have a
>> website, yet,
>> >> but
>> >> > we could advertise
>> >> > >> the blind-international-student
>> mailing list
>> >> > >> and our conference calls.
>> >> > >> Anmol talked about putting an
>> advertisement
>> >> > in the Ziggler Magazine,
>> >> > >> MIUSA and the Braille forum.
>> >> > >> Hina will put something on the
>> technology
>> >> > list.
>> >> > >> Everyone should put a blurb about
>> the
>> >> > organization on their email
>> >> > >> lists,
>> >> > >> etc.
>> >> > >> We could also advertise on newsline,
>> Braille
>> >> > Monitor and the Student
>> >> > >> division.
>> >> > >> We also discussed making a web
>> site.
>> >> > >> Philip and Imran can create the web
>> page.
>> >> > >> Imran will look into setting up a
>> website
>> >> > and have a mailing list on
>> >> > >> freelists.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> We discussed grant writing and
>> defining
>> >> projects
>> >> > that are important to
>> >> > >> us. Hina would talk to Katy about
>> grant
>> >> writing.
>> >> > Anmol would
>> >> > >> investigate the grant from AAPD.
>> >> > >> Next meeting is on
>> >> > Halloween. The exact time is to be
>> announced.
>> >> > >> This meeting was adjourned at 9:25
>> P.M.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Respectfully submitted,
>> >> > >> Jan Wright (am in the process of
>> changing my
>> >> last
>> >> > name to Ahmed)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
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