[Blind-international-students] meeting minutes
Philip So
philipso101 at gmail.com
Sat Oct 30 05:18:20 UTC 2010
Hina and I will make a website before the next conference call. It
will be a shell that we can insert content in the future.
On 10/30/10, Philip So <pcs2001 at caa.columbia.edu> wrote:
> Maybe the man who sees well during daytime cannot see well at night,
> and that's why he needs a guide dog. Or maybe a person who can read
> street signs still needs a dog because he or she cannot see staircases
> due to lack of depth perception.
>
> Every person's disability is a bit different and only that person
> knows what works best for him or her. Isn't that what we always try
> to tell our rehab counselors? Our organization should be more
> flexible and nimble than a government agency, and as long as we are
> transparent about our policy that we want to serve those who are most
> in need, we should not explicitly exclude certain people because their
> vision loss is not "significant" enough based on our definition that
> doesn't take into account each person's unique disability.
>
> The bottom line is, do we want to be a rule-driven organization that
> dictates what people need, or a client-oriented organization that
> serves their expressed needs.
>
> Phil
>
> On 10/30/10, Philip So <philipso101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, keep mission statement simple and non-controversial.
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> On 10/29/10, Info <info at causesforchange.org> wrote:
>>> Phillip and Anmol,
>>> Very well said. In a mission statement, fewer words the better.
>>> Simplicity
>>> is key, say what you mean and mean what you say.
>>>
>>> Mission Statements are to guide, remember also that the name of the
>>> organization includes the word "Network" , you refer to other groups and
>>> organizations if it does not meet your requirements, no one is left out
>>> there without having their needs met, questions answered. It is a mission
>>> with a heart.
>>> Sent from Zully
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>> Sender: blind-international-students-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:18:59
>>> To: Blind International Students Mailing
>>> List<blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>>> Reply-To: Blind International Students Mailing List
>>> <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students] meeting minutes
>>>
>>> Phillip,
>>> I totally agree with you. Thanks for saying what I have been wanting to
>>> say
>>> but did not know how to say it. Lets not get caught up on small technical
>>> issues and leave it like Philip said it.
>>> Anmol
>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>>> breeze
>>> among flowers.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Philip So <philipso101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Philip So <philipso101 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students] meeting minutes
>>>> To: "Blind International Students Mailing List"
>>>> <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 9:16 PM
>>>> No need to worry about technical
>>>> specifics like what is low vision,
>>>> legally blind, etc. in our mission statement.
>>>> At the end of the day, we simply want to serve people who
>>>> are most in
>>>> need, so we can just say in our mission something along the
>>>> line of
>>>> "people who are blind, visually impaired or have vision
>>>> loss,
>>>> particularly those who are most in need".
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>> On 10/28/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Jan I agree with you, but. This is why we need to
>>>> define what is low vision.
>>>> > Someone who can drive and read regular print does need
>>>> our services, but
>>>> > what about those read large print or can read regular
>>>> print with corrective
>>>> > measures such as glasses? I think that those who are
>>>> totally blind or those
>>>> > who read braille and need cane or a dog to get around
>>>> need our services
>>>> > first because those are the people who have it the
>>>> hardest and then those
>>>> > who have low enough vision to read large print and
>>>> need glasses to carry out
>>>> > everyday tasks. The ironic thing is that in my country
>>>> there would be alot
>>>> > more people who would be considered legally blind if
>>>> they used the same
>>>> > standard as they used in this country and alot more
>>>> people would be
>>>> > attending blind schools. This is just my oppinion and
>>>> it is off topic, but
>>>> > most people who attend blind school do not really have
>>>> a vision problem
>>>> > enough to alter their lives and could make it in
>>>> regular public schools, but
>>>> > attend blind schools because it is easy. But
>>>> this is best left for another
>>>> > discussion.
>>>> > Anmol
>>>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>>>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>>> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
>>>> vague, like a breeze
>>>> > among flowers.
>>>> > Hellen Keller
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> From: Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
>>>> meeting minutes
>>>> >> To: "Blind International Students Mailing List"
>>>> >> <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 1:22 PM
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So, is "low vision" the same as "legally blind?"
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Here is the problem, when we say that we want to
>>>> serve
>>>> >> "those with significant vision loss,"
>>>> >> we mean those who actually have enough vision
>>>> loss
>>>> >> which effects their daily living.
>>>> >> Those who can drive or read small print, (and I
>>>> don't
>>>> >> know the other qualifications) yet are termed
>>>> "legally
>>>> >> blind,"
>>>> >> would not really "need" our services or assistance
>>>> and we
>>>> >> don't want them to use them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I understand the sunglasses as a preventative
>>>> measure for
>>>> >> those who can already see and don't want to go
>>>> blind.
>>>> >> Zully, have you tried contacting industries that
>>>> use
>>>> >> "safety glasses?" they are a bit different, but
>>>> would be
>>>> >> durable and they might be able to help. Actually,
>>>> it seems
>>>> >> that safety glasses would work better because they
>>>> fit
>>>> >> closer to the eye and will not allow
>>>> dirt/sand/dust to get
>>>> >> between the lense and the eye. The industries (I
>>>> think) get
>>>> >> new glasses every so often, so will have lots of
>>>> old ones
>>>> >> lying around. I am sure that the manufacturers
>>>> might have an
>>>> >> inspection process that they go through.
>>>> >> Since you might not demand the same durability as:
>>>> "Let's
>>>> >> say a welding company" you might be able to tap
>>>> into
>>>> >> their glasses that did not make the cut in terms
>>>> of the
>>>> >> welders, yet could serve your purpose well.
>>>> >> And, I am not saying that we should not do a
>>>> project to
>>>> >> collect glasses and such.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But, in my opinion,
>>>> >> and this is just my own opinion
>>>> >> (I respect the collectiveness of the group and
>>>> will yield
>>>> >> to majority)
>>>> >> I think that there is a larger need with those
>>>> whose vision
>>>> >> loss effects many of their daily living skills in
>>>> such a way
>>>> >> that they are unable to find work without some
>>>> types of
>>>> >> accommodation or
>>>> >> they are not able to read&write or receive an
>>>> education
>>>> >> comparable to their sighted peers.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We still should find the exact definition of "low
>>>> vision"
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anmol Bhatia"
>>>> <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>>>> >> To: "Blind International Students Mailing List"
>>>> >> <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:28 AM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
>>>> meeting
>>>> >> minutes
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I agree Jan.
>>>> >> This is the problem with us saying significant
>>>> vision
>>>> >> loss and I think I mentioned it in the last
>>>> meeting.
>>>> >> What does significant vision loss mean and to
>>>> what
>>>> >> degree will we consider significant vision
>>>> loss?
>>>> >> Unless and until we define what we consider
>>>> >> significant vision loss it will present a
>>>> problem for
>>>> >> us when we provide services. Therefore, it is
>>>> probally
>>>> >> better for us to leave it at legally blind and we
>>>> can
>>>> >> determine who receives our services based on
>>>> various factors
>>>> >> such need, lack of funds and various factors. I
>>>> think we
>>>> >> need to say that we will provide tools and
>>>> services to
>>>> >> anyone who needs it in order to be successful
>>>> which
>>>> >> would include providing eye glasses for legally
>>>> blind people
>>>> >> in Equidor. Low vision I think is anyone who is
>>>> >> legally blind which means that low vision is just
>>>> a better
>>>> >> term for legally blind. We could say that people
>>>> with low
>>>> >> vision excluding those with high parshel vision
>>>> but again
>>>> >> what do we consider high parshel? Proper language
>>>> is vary
>>>> >> important and significant vision loss is the
>>>> same
>>>> >> arguement like reasonable
>>>> >> accomadation. Americans with Disabilities mandates
>>>> that
>>>> >> employeers provide reasonable accomadation, but
>>>> does not
>>>> >> define what is considered reasonable
>>>> accomadation.
>>>> >> Just my thoughts.
>>>> >> Anmol
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they
>>>> never make me
>>>> >> sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at
>>>> times; but
>>>> >> it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
>>>> >> Hellen Keller
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > From: Jan Wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>>>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
>>>> meeting
>>>> >> minutes
>>>> >> > To: "Blind International Students Mailing
>>>> List"
>>>> >> > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:39 AM
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I think that it will exclude those who do not
>>>> have
>>>> >> > significant vision loss.
>>>> >> > Because... .... they don't have significant
>>>> vision
>>>> >> loss and
>>>> >> > therefore, we
>>>> >> > are saying that when the vision loss is not
>>>> >> > "significant," it does not
>>>> >> > detour them from their daily living.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > but, we probably should define
>>>> "Significant."
>>>> >> > Maybe "significant vision loss," is the same
>>>> as "low
>>>> >> > vision."
>>>> >> > If that has been defined, then, we can go
>>>> with it.
>>>> >> > I mean,
>>>> >> > what exactly is "low,"
>>>> >> > If there are definitions, let us know.
>>>> >> > We did not like the "legally blind,"
>>>> definitions
>>>> >> because we
>>>> >> > felt that there
>>>> >> > were some "legally blind" individuals who
>>>> could see
>>>> >> quite
>>>> >> > well and would not
>>>> >> > need our services.
>>>> >> > I know some here in the USA.
>>>> >> > Jan
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Causes
>>>> for Change
>>>> >> International (CCI)" <Info at CausesforChange.org>
>>>> >> > To: "'Blind International Students Mailing
>>>> List'"
>>>> >> > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:58 PM
>>>> >> > Subject: Re: [Blind-international-students]
>>>> meeting
>>>> >> > minutes
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > >A question. What percentage of the
>>>> >> > > Population has "significant vision
>>>> loss"?
>>>> >> > > How is that defined? Will this exclude
>>>> those
>>>> >> > > That do not have "significant vision
>>>> loss"?
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> > > From: blind-international-students-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> >> > > [mailto:blind-international-students-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> >> > On Behalf Of Hina
>>>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:22
>>>> PM
>>>> >> > > To: Blind International Students Mailing
>>>> List
>>>> >> > > Subject: Re:
>>>> [Blind-international-students]
>>>> >> meeting
>>>> >> > minutes
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > hi jan,
>>>> >> > > no, but please send it to me both goals
>>>> and
>>>> >> mission
>>>> >> > statement because i
>>>> >> > > and
>>>> >> > > philip are going to work on our web site
>>>> this
>>>> >> > weekend.
>>>> >> > > hina.
>>>> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
>>>> "Jan
>>>> >> Wright" <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>>>> >> > > To: "Blind International Students
>>>> Mailing List"
>>>> >> > > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:35
>>>> PM
>>>> >> > > Subject: Re:
>>>> [Blind-international-students]
>>>> >> meeting
>>>> >> > minutes
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Hi Hina,
>>>> >> > > Yes. we decided to change it to "Those
>>>> with
>>>> >> > significant vision loss."
>>>> >> > > That will be in the goals.
>>>> >> > > Do you want a new copy sent to the list
>>>> with the
>>>> >> > revisions?
>>>> >> > > Jan
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
>>>> "hina
>>>> >> altaf" <hinaaltaf1983 at gmail.com>
>>>> >> > > To: "Blind International Students
>>>> Mailing List"
>>>> >> > > <blind-international-students at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:04
>>>> AM
>>>> >> > > Subject: Re:
>>>> [Blind-international-students]
>>>> >> meeting
>>>> >> > minutes
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > dear jan, thanks for sending out the
>>>> minutes. I
>>>> >> think
>>>> >> > instead of
>>>> >> > > legally blind, we should use words like
>>>> people
>>>> >> with
>>>> >> > significant vision
>>>> >> > > lose. The time for next meeting is this
>>>> coming
>>>> >> sunday
>>>> >> > at 6 pm central
>>>> >> > > time. if anyone has any other plans
>>>> please let me
>>>> >> know
>>>> >> > ahead of time.
>>>> >> > > any suggestions of what are some of the
>>>> projects
>>>> >> we
>>>> >> > can work on? zully
>>>> >> > > the braille writer was already taken by
>>>> someone
>>>> >> else
>>>> >> > and if you still
>>>> >> > > did not recieve one, i can try a few
>>>> other
>>>> >> resources.
>>>> >> > thanks.
>>>> >> > > hina.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > On 10/26/10, jan wright <jan.wrightfamily5 at gmail.com>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> > >> The meeting Began at 8:15 P.M.
>>>> (EST).
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> Those in attendance were Hina,
>>>> Anmol,
>>>> >> > Zaby, Jan, Philip and Imran.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> The goals and mission statement were
>>>> read
>>>> >> again.
>>>> >> > It was suggested and
>>>> >> > >> adopted to change " Legally blind,"
>>>> and
>>>> >> "Blind and
>>>> >> > Low Vision" to
>>>> >> > >> "Those with significant vision
>>>> loss."
>>>> >> > >> It was pointed out that there are
>>>> already
>>>> >> > international databases of
>>>> >> > >> organizations. So, instead of
>>>> reinventing
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> > wheel, we will
>>>> >> > >> "evaluate" already existing
>>>> databases and
>>>> >> make
>>>> >> > attempts to add to them
>>>> >> > >> or correct them if/when possible.
>>>> >> > >> The goals and mission statement were
>>>> accepted
>>>> >> as
>>>> >> > corrected.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> Zaby is going to Pakistan, Karachi
>>>> to
>>>> >> > evaluate an organization where
>>>> >> > >> blind people live and work. He will
>>>> give us
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> > report of his findings
>>>> >> > >> when he returns. We wish him luck
>>>> and a safe
>>>> >> > trip.
>>>> >> > >> There was much discussion
>>>> concerning
>>>> >> publicity.
>>>> >> > >> Anmol was to write an add for us to
>>>> put on
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> > email lists, etc.
>>>> >> > >> We realize that we don't have a
>>>> website, yet,
>>>> >> but
>>>> >> > we could advertise
>>>> >> > >> the blind-international-student
>>>> mailing list
>>>> >> > >> and our conference calls.
>>>> >> > >> Anmol talked about putting an
>>>> advertisement
>>>> >> > in the Ziggler Magazine,
>>>> >> > >> MIUSA and the Braille forum.
>>>> >> > >> Hina will put something on the
>>>> technology
>>>> >> > list.
>>>> >> > >> Everyone should put a blurb about
>>>> the
>>>> >> > organization on their email
>>>> >> > >> lists,
>>>> >> > >> etc.
>>>> >> > >> We could also advertise on newsline,
>>>> Braille
>>>> >> > Monitor and the Student
>>>> >> > >> division.
>>>> >> > >> We also discussed making a web
>>>> site.
>>>> >> > >> Philip and Imran can create the web
>>>> page.
>>>> >> > >> Imran will look into setting up a
>>>> website
>>>> >> > and have a mailing list on
>>>> >> > >> freelists.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> We discussed grant writing and
>>>> defining
>>>> >> projects
>>>> >> > that are important to
>>>> >> > >> us. Hina would talk to Katy about
>>>> grant
>>>> >> writing.
>>>> >> > Anmol would
>>>> >> > >> investigate the grant from AAPD.
>>>> >> > >> Next meeting is on
>>>> >> > Halloween. The exact time is to be
>>>> announced.
>>>> >> > >> This meeting was adjourned at 9:25
>>>> P.M.
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >> Respectfully submitted,
>>>> >> > >> Jan Wright (am in the process of
>>>> changing my
>>>> >> last
>>>> >> > name to Ahmed)
>>>> >> > >>
>>>> >> > >>
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