[Blind-rollers] Blind-rollers Digest, Vol 50, Issue 5

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>   1. Re: an idea (Becky Frankeberger)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:31:16 -0700
> From: "Becky Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net>
> To: <bcpaws4me at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Blind wheelchair users list' <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] an idea
> Message-ID: <003601cd1b2d$90d6d8d0$b2848a70$@butterfly at comcast.net>
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>  with your joy stick attached to an AMD you might just get more flexibility
> in traveling. Certainly less pain in the wrists.
>
> Alternative Mobility Device
> Photo shows Dona walking with an AMD.  It has two vertical 4-foot metal
> rods, each
> with a handle at the top and a wheel at the bottom.  The rods are connected
> and held
> about a foot apart with a horizontal bars near the top and at the bottom
> (the horizontal
> bar at the bottom extends a few inches beyond the long vertical rods and
> curves back
> to the rods).
>  "Alternative mobility devices" (AMD's) can provide as much protection (or
> more!)
> as a long cane, but without having to use proper cane technique. They can
> reliably
> detect obstacles, slopes or drop-offs (such as curbs or stairs) ahead of
> the
> user.
> AMDs are often used by people (children and adults) who cannot use the long
> cane
> for various reasons, such as being physically unable to move the cane
> properly or
> being unable to learn to correctly use the cane reliably. AMDs are also
> useful for
> people who require advanced warning of slopes because of precarious
> balance.
> And
> AMDs are sometimes used for jogging, as they don't require coordination of
> the cane
> with the feet. However it is important to know that traditionally designed
> AMDs do
> NOT provide any support.
> The first photos on this page show an AMD that was developed for research
> purposes
> by the Veterans Administration. It is not available for sale, but I use it
> as a prototype
> to determine if an AMD will be useful for clients and if so, what length is
> needed.
> Before this prototype was available, I used luggage carriers and 2-wheeled
> shopping
> carts to demonstrate to clients how an AMD might work for them. Actually,
> such carts
> and carriers have been used by some people as an AMD (if you use such a
> ready-made
> device as an AMD, be sure the wheels are far enough apart --
> see below
> ).
> AMD's can detect drop-offs, as shown in the photos below.
> Two photos show Dona pushing the AMD along the sidewalk and one of the
> wheels drops
> over the curb, which tips the AMD sideways, alerting the user.
> Two photos show Dona pushing the AMD along the sidewalk and one of the
> wheels drops
> over the curb, which tips the AMD sideways, alerting the user.
> AMDs are more effective than canes to detect and anticipate changes in
> slopes, as
> illustrated below.
> Photo shows Dona pushing the AMD along the sidewalk, approaching a driveway
> with
> a slope going down to the street to her left.
> Photo shows the wheels of the AMD in the slope of the driveway, which tilts
> the entire
> AMD so the left handle is lower than the right handle.
> AMDs in Use
> AMDs can be made from PCV pipe, customized for size, handle and wheel
> design
> as shown
> in the examples below.
> Thanks to "An Illustrated Guide to Cane Repair and More" by Lynn Gautreaux
> for very
> helpful instructions to assemble the AMD! This book is available from AER
> --
> order
> at
> AER's online bookstore
>  or phone 877-492-2708 or 703-671-4500.
> AMD for walking without pain
> A woman holds an AMD made of white plastic pipe in the shape of a
> rectangle,
> with
> long sides and short top and bottom (the bottom piece extends a few inches
> to each
> side of the rectangle) with two wheels at the borrom.  She holds the top
> like a person
> would hold the handle of a shopping cart, and the bottom bar is about a
> foot
> and
> a half in front of her forward foot.
>  Using a cane correctly was awkward and sometimes painful for this woman,
> and she
> decided that an AMD would be useful. She wanted to be able to push it with
> a
> bar
> along the top (like pushing a shopping cart) rather than with handles at
> the
> side
> (like pushing a wheelbarrow). She may add pipe insulation along the handle
> to make
> it larger and softer, and pegs on the bottom so the AMD can stand on its
> own
> for
> storage.
> Photo shows the woman's feet and the bottom bar of the AMD, which is
> horizontal to
> the ground and supported by two wheels.  The wheels are about 17-18 inches
> apart,
> and behind the bar we see that as her feet move forward to where the AMD
> bottom is
> now, her feet will step within the space between the wheels.
> Wheel position and AMD dimensions
> It is crucially important that the distance between the wheels be wider
> than
> the
> space in which the feet walk, so that there is sufficient warning of
> drop-offs to
> the side, such as curbs. The distance between the wheels should be even
> wider for
> people who occasionally move their foot to the side to correct their
> balance.
> The front bar should be far enough ahead of the user to allow sufficient
> warning
> of drop-offs, depending on the person's reaction time and walking (or
> running!) speed.
> The bottom bar of this AMD is extended to each side to increase detection
> of
> obstacles.
> AMD for negotiating obstacles easily
> Two photos show a woman walking along a hall, approaching the edge of an
> open door.
> Her left hand trails the wall and her right hand holds a cane with the tip
> on the
> floor straight ahead of her hand.  The cane never touches the door, and she
> is about
> to collide into it.
> Two photos show a woman walking along a hall, approaching the edge of an
> open door.
> Her left hand trails the wall and her right hand holds a cane with the tip
> on the
> floor straight ahead of her hand.  The cane never touches the door, and she
> is about
> to collide into it.
> The doors propped open in this building create hazards, particularly when
> someone
> trails the walls. The cane does not provide protection and warn about the
> doors when
> it is not consistently used correctly, as demonstrated here (
> click here
>  for an explanation of the stages of learning to use a cane, and the
> importance of
> full mastery of the technique in order to provide protection).
> Three photos show the woman approaching the same door but holding an AMD
> instead
> of a cane.  The AMD is in the shape of a rectangle with wheels on the
> bottom, and
> she is pushing it like one would push a lawnmower.
> Three photos show the woman approaching the same door but holding an AMD
> instead
> of a cane.  The AMD is in the shape of a rectangle with wheels on the
> bottom, and
> she is pushing it like one would push a lawnmower.
> Three photos show the woman approaching the same door but holding an AMD
> instead
> of a cane.  The AMD is in the shape of a rectangle with wheels on the
> bottom, and
> she is pushing it like one would push a lawnmower.
> By contrast, the AMD provides full protection simply by being pushed ahead,
> without
> having to use proper cane technique.
> AMD made by Eldre Boggs, COMS
> A lightweight AMD is easy to maneuver with one hand while still providing
> full protection,
> leaving the other hand free to trail the walls looking for corners and
> doorways.
> Photo shows the woman with her left hand trailing a wall approaching a
> corner, and
> pushing the AMD with her right hand.
> Three photos show the woman approaching the same door edge she approached
> in
> the
> first photos, trailing the wall with her left hand and pushing the AMD
> ahead
> of her
> with her right hand.  When the AMD reaches the edge of the door, it stops
> while the
> woman is still a few feet away from the door.
> Three photos show the woman approaching the same door edge she approached
> in
> the
> first photos, trailing the wall with her left hand and pushing the AMD
> ahead
> of her
> with her right hand.  When the AMD reaches the edge of the door, it stops
> while the
> woman is still a few feet away from the door.
> Three photos show the woman approaching the same door edge she approached
> in
> the
> first photos, trailing the wall with her left hand and pushing the AMD
> ahead
> of her
> with her right hand.  When the AMD reaches the edge of the door, it stops
> while the
> woman is still a few feet away from the door.
> This foldable AMD is now on the market from
> Ambutech
>  -- the two photos on the left show the model with the "indoor wheels" and
> on the
> right is a prototype with swivel wheels.
> Photo shows the woman walking along the sidewalk from her driveway with a
> rectangular
> AMD that looks like two white canes with crossbars.  The bottom of the AMD
> has stopped
> at the bottom of a step.
> Photo shows the woman smiling and standing on the sidewalk in front of her
> home.
> The AMD has just dropped over the edge of a step.
> Photo shows a young man walking along a sidewalk pushing another Ambutech
> AMD.  It
> is rectangular with a swivel wheel at the bottom corners, and all white
> except for
> about 4 inches of red at the bottom of the sides.
> Return to
> Teaching the Cane and Non-Visual Skills
> Return to
> Using an AMD to Safely Experience Walking Without Vision
>
> Becky Frankeberger
> Butterfly Knitting
>
> Custom-made knit throws, shawls, and more!
>
> Phone: 360-426-8389
> E-mail: becky at ButterflyKnitting.com
> Website: www.ButterflyKnitting.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:57:51 -0700
> From: Paul Wick <wickps at gmail.com>
> To: Blind wheelchair users list <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] an idea
> Message-ID:
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> >
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>
> All:
>
> While an interesting idea, an AMD offers little real likelyhood that
> its user will be as independent as the user of a white cane (in all
> its varieties) I think there is litterally no one who if enough time
> is spent in training could not use a long white cane. The only
> exception might be people who use crutches or walkers, however those
> same people could be just as independent if they used a chair and a
> cane (I use mostly a manual chair with my cane and while traveling can
> be slow going especially on inclines it can be done.)
>
> The AMD also does not have the near universal identification that the
> white cane has in the public mind, (I say near universal because
> people basically walk right into me everyday lol) The only practical
> use I might see is for getting around a nursing home or other
> institution-like closed environment.
>
> Just my two cents, from experience, not through any formal training in
> the subject matter.
>
> My Best,
>
> Paul
>
> On 4/15/12, Becky Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net> wrote:
> >  with your joy stick attached to an AMD you might just get more
> flexibility
> > in traveling. Certainly less pain in the wrists.
> >
> > Alternative Mobility Device
> > Photo shows Dona walking with an AMD.  It has two vertical 4-foot metal
> > rods, each
> > with a handle at the top and a wheel at the bottom.  The rods are
> connected
> > and held
> > about a foot apart with a horizontal bars near the top and at the bottom
> > (the horizontal
> > bar at the bottom extends a few inches beyond the long vertical rods and
> > curves back
> > to the rods).
> >  "Alternative mobility devices" (AMD's) can provide as much protection
> (or
> > more!)
> > as a long cane, but without having to use proper cane technique. They can
> > reliably
> > detect obstacles, slopes or drop-offs (such as curbs or stairs) ahead of
> the
> > user.
> > AMDs are often used by people (children and adults) who cannot use the
> long
> > cane
> > for various reasons, such as being physically unable to move the cane
> > properly or
> > being unable to learn to correctly use the cane reliably. AMDs are also
> > useful for
> > people who require advanced warning of slopes because of precarious
> balance.
> > And
> > AMDs are sometimes used for jogging, as they don't require coordination
> of
> > the cane
> > with the feet. However it is important to know that traditionally
> designed
> > AMDs do
> > NOT provide any support.
> > The first photos on this page show an AMD that was developed for research
> > purposes
> > by the Veterans Administration. It is not available for sale, but I use
> it
> > as a prototype
> > to determine if an AMD will be useful for clients and if so, what length
> is
> > needed.
> > Before this prototype was available, I used luggage carriers and
> 2-wheeled
> > shopping
> > carts to demonstrate to clients how an AMD might work for them. Actually,
> > such carts
> > and carriers have been used by some people as an AMD (if you use such a
> > ready-made
> > device as an AMD, be sure the wheels are far enough apart --
> > see below
> > ).
> > AMD's can detect drop-offs, as shown in the photos below.
> > Two photos show Dona pushing the AMD along the sidewalk and one of the
> > wheels drops
> > over the curb, which tips the AMD sideways, alerting the user.
> > Two photos show Dona pushing the AMD along the sidewalk and one of the
> > wheels drops
> > over the curb, which tips the AMD sideways, alerting the user.
> > AMDs are more effective than canes to detect and anticipate changes in
> > slopes, as
> > illustrated below.
> > Photo shows Dona pushing the AMD along the sidewalk, approaching a
> driveway
> > with
> > a slope going down to the street to her left.
> > Photo shows the wheels of the AMD in the slope of the driveway, which
> tilts
> > the entire
> > AMD so the left handle is lower than the right handle.
> > AMDs in Use
> > AMDs can be made from PCV pipe, customized for size, handle and wheel
> design
> > as shown
> > in the examples below.
> > Thanks to "An Illustrated Guide to Cane Repair and More" by Lynn
> Gautreaux
> > for very
> > helpful instructions to assemble the AMD! This book is available from
> AER --
> > order
> > at
> > AER's online bookstore
> >  or phone 877-492-2708 or 703-671-4500.
> > AMD for walking without pain
> > A woman holds an AMD made of white plastic pipe in the shape of a
> rectangle,
> > with
> > long sides and short top and bottom (the bottom piece extends a few
> inches
> > to each
> > side of the rectangle) with two wheels at the borrom.  She holds the top
> > like a person
> > would hold the handle of a shopping cart, and the bottom bar is about a
> foot
> > and
> > a half in front of her forward foot.
> >  Using a cane correctly was awkward and sometimes painful for this woman,
> > and she
> > decided that an AMD would be useful. She wanted to be able to push it
> with a
> > bar
> > along the top (like pushing a shopping cart) rather than with handles at
> the
> > side
> > (like pushing a wheelbarrow). She may add pipe insulation along the
> handle
> > to make
> > it larger and softer, and pegs on the bottom so the AMD can stand on its
> own
> > for
> > storage.
> > Photo shows the woman's feet and the bottom bar of the AMD, which is
> > horizontal to
> > the ground and supported by two wheels.  The wheels are about 17-18
> inches
> > apart,
> > and behind the bar we see that as her feet move forward to where the AMD
> > bottom is
> > now, her feet will step within the space between the wheels.
> > Wheel position and AMD dimensions
> > It is crucially important that the distance between the wheels be wider
> than
> > the
> > space in which the feet walk, so that there is sufficient warning of
> > drop-offs to
> > the side, such as curbs. The distance between the wheels should be even
> > wider for
> > people who occasionally move their foot to the side to correct their
> > balance.
> > The front bar should be far enough ahead of the user to allow sufficient
> > warning
> > of drop-offs, depending on the person's reaction time and walking (or
> > running!) speed.
> > The bottom bar of this AMD is extended to each side to increase
> detection of
> > obstacles.
> > AMD for negotiating obstacles easily
> > Two photos show a woman walking along a hall, approaching the edge of an
> > open door.
> > Her left hand trails the wall and her right hand holds a cane with the
> tip
> > on the
> > floor straight ahead of her hand.  The cane never touches the door, and
> she
> > is about
> > to collide into it.
> > Two photos show a woman walking along a hall, approaching the edge of an
> > open door.
> > Her left hand trails the wall and her right hand holds a cane with the
> tip
> > on the
> > floor straight ahead of her hand.  The cane never touches the door, and
> she
> > is about
> > to collide into it.
> > The doors propped open in this building create hazards, particularly when
> > someone
> > trails the walls. The cane does not provide protection and warn about the
> > doors when
> > it is not consistently used correctly, as demonstrated here (
> > click here
> >  for an explanation of the stages of learning to use a cane, and the
> > importance of
> > full mastery of the technique in order to provide protection).
> > Three photos show the woman approaching the same door but holding an AMD
> > instead
> > of a cane.  The AMD is in the shape of a rectangle with wheels on the
> > bottom, and
> > she is pushing it like one would push a lawnmower.
> > Three photos show the woman approaching the same door but holding an AMD
> > instead
> > of a cane.  The AMD is in the shape of a rectangle with wheels on the
> > bottom, and
> > she is pushing it like one would push a lawnmower.
> > Three photos show the woman approaching the same door but holding an AMD
> > instead
> > of a cane.  The AMD is in the shape of a rectangle with wheels on the
> > bottom, and
> > she is pushing it like one would push a lawnmower.
> > By contrast, the AMD provides full protection simply by being pushed
> ahead,
> > without
> > having to use proper cane technique.
> > AMD made by Eldre Boggs, COMS
> > A lightweight AMD is easy to maneuver with one hand while still providing
> > full protection,
> > leaving the other hand free to trail the walls looking for corners and
> > doorways.
> > Photo shows the woman with her left hand trailing a wall approaching a
> > corner, and
> > pushing the AMD with her right hand.
> > Three photos show the woman approaching the same door edge she
> approached in
> > the
> > first photos, trailing the wall with her left hand and pushing the AMD
> ahead
> > of her
> > with her right hand.  When the AMD reaches the edge of the door, it stops
> > while the
> > woman is still a few feet away from the door.
> > Three photos show the woman approaching the same door edge she
> approached in
> > the
> > first photos, trailing the wall with her left hand and pushing the AMD
> ahead
> > of her
> > with her right hand.  When the AMD reaches the edge of the door, it stops
> > while the
> > woman is still a few feet away from the door.
> > Three photos show the woman approaching the same door edge she
> approached in
> > the
> > first photos, trailing the wall with her left hand and pushing the AMD
> ahead
> > of her
> > with her right hand.  When the AMD reaches the edge of the door, it stops
> > while the
> > woman is still a few feet away from the door.
> > This foldable AMD is now on the market from
> > Ambutech
> >  -- the two photos on the left show the model with the "indoor wheels"
> and
> > on the
> > right is a prototype with swivel wheels.
> > Photo shows the woman walking along the sidewalk from her driveway with a
> > rectangular
> > AMD that looks like two white canes with crossbars.  The bottom of the
> AMD
> > has stopped
> > at the bottom of a step.
> > Photo shows the woman smiling and standing on the sidewalk in front of
> her
> > home.
> > The AMD has just dropped over the edge of a step.
> > Photo shows a young man walking along a sidewalk pushing another Ambutech
> > AMD.  It
> > is rectangular with a swivel wheel at the bottom corners, and all white
> > except for
> > about 4 inches of red at the bottom of the sides.
> > Return to
> > Teaching the Cane and Non-Visual Skills
> > Return to
> > Using an AMD to Safely Experience Walking Without Vision
> >
> > Becky Frankeberger
> > Butterfly Knitting
> >
> > Custom-made knit throws, shawls, and more!
> >
> > Phone: 360-426-8389
> > E-mail: becky at ButterflyKnitting.com
> > Website: www.ButterflyKnitting.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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