[blindkid] blindkid Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4
Penny McGuire
pmcguire at knology.net
Wed Feb 11 23:27:20 UTC 2009
Hi Grace! My daughter was one of those micro-preemies (23 weeks) too! She
also uses a MB. I have never plugged a keyboard into it. Do you have to
download any special software or will it notice the device??
Thanks,
Penny
----- Original Message -----
From: <grace at babymilagro.org>
To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [blindkid] blindkid Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4
> Another plug for the Mountbatten Learning System for the youngest Braille
> learners. My daughter is seven but the size of a five year- old...very
> tiny former micropreemie too.
>
> Santa Claus paired up with my employer's Special Care assistance fund for
> families with kids with disabilities and we've had it up and running since
> Christmas Day.
>
> Milagro ASKS to sit down and practice writing after school and on
> weekends. She is writing her name, some favorite words, and just
> practicing her letters. She never asked to do this when we had just the
> Perkins.
>
> My favorite thing is the USB-connected QWERTY keyboard I use to write
> quickly and produce Braille shopping lists, notes, song lyrics, journal
> entries about family adventures. Nothing beats that.
>
> I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.
>
> Grace Tiscareno-Sato
>
>
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> 1. New site for braille book sharing (Debby B)
> 2. Re: 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
> (Brandy with Discovery Toys)
> 3. Re: 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology (Tene Gibson)
> 4. Re: 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology (Tene Gibson)
> 5. Re: 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
> (Andy & Sally Thomas)
> 6. Re: nonvisual teaching techniques (H. Field)
> 7. Re: 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
> (Patricia Renfranz)
> 8. Re: nonvisual teaching techniques (Carol Castellano)
> 9. National Federation of the Blind to Attend World Bank
> Workshop (Danielsen, Chris)
> 10. Braille writer (Meng, Debi)
> 11. Re: Braille writer (trising at sbcglobal.net)
> 12. Re: Braille writer (Christi-An Miceli)
> 13. Re: Braille writer (Jessica Trask)
> 14. Re: Braille writer (Marla Palmer)
> 15. Re: Braille writer (Robert Jaquiss)
> 16. Re: Braille writer (Bonnie Lucas)
> 17. Re: Braille writer (Jen and Bill O'Neill)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:02:08 -0800 (PST)
> From: Debby B <bwbddl at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [blindkid] New site for braille book sharing
> To: Multiple recipients of NFBnet BlindKid Mailing List
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Dennis D Davids <dennis.d.davids at lmco.com>,
> bvi-parents at yahoogroups.com, Alison Richard <alison1661 at yahoo.com>,
> Kathy Davis <kdavisnfbf at cfl.rr.com>, nfbf-parents at yahoogroups.com,
> rop-support at yahoogroups.com, Diane Sapiro <dianesapiro at bellsouth.net>,
> Lenora&Larry Marten <bluegolfshoes at aol.com>, Debby Brackett
> <bwbddl at yahoo.com>, MaryLou Johnson <mjohnson8870 at tampabay.rr.com>
> Message-ID: <124600.98332.qm at web90506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> This came through another group today. Yay!
>
> NFB ShareBraille
>
> http://www.nfbshare braille.org/
>
> NFB ShareBraille is a free service provided by the National Federation of
> the Blind to promote the use and vitality of Braille. To trade your
> Braille
> books or to request books from other NFB ShareBraille users, simply create
> a
> free account and start exploring the available titles.
> Debby
> bwbddl at yahoo.com
> www.nfbflorida.org/parents
>
>
> Please support Braille literacy and programs for our youth by sponsoring
> me in
> the Motor City March for Independence! Better yet, join the team of the FL
> Parents of Blind Children!
> http://www.marchforindependence.org/goto/fpobc
> http://www.marchforindependence.org/goto/debbyb
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:39:47 -0600
> From: "Brandy with Discovery Toys" <branlw at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <A442DC6A47C54BEEB74E431D25AEDE73 at BrandyPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi, As others have said it is important that a blind child do math in
> Braille. I did my math on the Braille writer through high school. I did
> learn the abacus and used it for some of my math but when other kids had
> to
> show their work so did I. This made a huge difference for me in college. I
> was able to understand what professors were doing on the board with out
> seeing it. I really think this is because I always did my math in nemith
> on
> the Braille Writer. I think the math window may help especially for
> learning
> concepts. I also didn't get a calculator till my peers did some time in 7
> or
> 8th grade.Good luck. Bran
>
>
> "We all have our time machines. Some take us back, they're called
> memories.
> Some take us forward, they're called dreams."
> Jeremy Irons
>
> Brandy Wojcik
> Discovery Toys Group Manager and Educational Consultant
>
> Shop online any time!
> www.playtoachieve.com
> (512) 231-8697
>
> Let me know if I can help with any of the following:
> * Starting your own Discovery Toys business
> * Best buy bundles allow you to shop at a discount year round
> * How you can earn toys for free
> * Gift baskets for all ages
> * Gift certificates
> * Office setups and much more
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tene Gibson" <g_tene305 at yahoo.com>
> To: "BVI-parents" <bvi-parents at yahoogroups.com>; "(for parents of blind
> children) NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:36 PM
> Subject: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
>
>
> Thanks to NCLB, I am finding that my 9yo is getting caught up in the
> crunch
> to meet certain benchmarks with his sighted peers. Although I believe my
> child is an exceptionally bright child, I am sensing that he is stressed
> out
> by long division and multiplication (lining up problems on the Perkins
> being
> the main culprit). He is a type A personality so perfection is his goal
> and
> he gets caught up in the nuances of the problem set up instead of getting
> the answer. From a sighted perspective, I can understand his angst when
> having to go up, down, left, right, and sideways on a Perkins just for one
> problem alone and sometimes having to start all over if not lined up
> correctly. All we do with Math is erase with a pencil eraser.
>
> My question I guess is when is the right to introduce technology into the
> classroom curriculum. He is one and half years shy of being in middle
> school. I have the Duxbury software, the screen reader, the notetaker, and
> the embosser. When can we put Perkins down for limited use.
>
> Tene
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:26:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tene Gibson <g_tene305 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <753424.4976.qm at web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> That I understand -?as far as regarding the problem set up - I understand
> the need to know this.? My issue is - Is there an easier assistive
> technology to do this on.? I am not looking for an easier way to get the
> answer - I want that concept learned as with the rest of his class.? I am
> looking at a workflow point of view. Last I heard the new Perkins is still
> on backorder - so we are still dealing with the oldy goldy - clunky hard
> key machine. Like does it make sense for Na'im to work thru the problem on
> his computer using Duxbury and a word document and to print it out using
> an embosser? Are there cons with this method and what are they? Are they
> just positional issues? Na'im is given 20 long division problems a night
> sometimes? - 2 per page may fit barring any mistakes.?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Debra Baxley <debrabaxley at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:47:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
>
> Somehow, doing Math with the Perkins brailler causes the concepts to be
> understood better because of the physical movement on the page.? Because I
> did Math with a Perkins brailler, I can now type a Math problem in print
> because I understand the formatting so well.?
>
> Debra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Tene Gibson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:50 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
>
> How do we lessen the frustration?? Although I may agree some repitition, I
> believe that in some circles that the "drilling" method, even in children
> with sight, has been proven defunct.? Lord knows both of my children hold
> to
> the standard "I did that already and I am not doing it again."? Na'im has
> no
> problem identifying the? concept of math or the process it takes to get
> from
> point?A to point B.? The issue is when do we move in the 21st century?
> When
> do we grasp what we have available in the schools as far as technology is
> concerned?? I learned how to start a fire by rubbing sticks, but I still
> prefer matches or a lighter.
>
> Tene
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:28:45 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tene Gibson <g_tene305 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <898037.65763.qm at web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> What type of braille writer did you use?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Brandy with Discovery Toys <branlw at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 6:39:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
>
> Hi, As others have said it is important that a blind child do math in
> Braille. I did my math on the Braille writer through high school. I did
> learn the abacus and used it for some of my math but when other kids had
> to show their work so did I. This made a huge difference for me in
> college. I was able to understand what professors were doing on the board
> with out seeing it. I really think this is because I always did my math in
> nemith on the Braille Writer. I think the math window may help especially
> for learning concepts. I also didn't get a calculator till my peers did
> some time in 7 or 8th grade.Good luck. Bran
>
>
> "We all have our time machines. Some take us back, they're called
> memories. Some take us forward, they're called dreams."
> Jeremy Irons
>
> Brandy Wojcik
> Discovery Toys Group Manager and Educational Consultant
>
> Shop online any time!
> www.playtoachieve.com
> (512) 231-8697
>
> Let me know if I can help with any of the following:
> * Starting your own Discovery Toys business
> * Best buy bundles allow you to shop at a discount year round
> * How you can earn toys for free
> * Gift baskets for all ages
> * Gift certificates
> * Office setups and much more
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tene Gibson" <g_tene305 at yahoo.com>
> To: "BVI-parents" <bvi-parents at yahoogroups.com>; "(for parents of blind
> children) NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:36 PM
> Subject: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
>
>
> Thanks to NCLB, I am finding that my 9yo is getting caught up in the
> crunch to meet certain benchmarks with his sighted peers. Although I
> believe my child is an exceptionally bright child, I am sensing that he is
> stressed out by long division and multiplication (lining up problems on
> the Perkins being the main culprit). He is a type A personality so
> perfection is his goal and he gets caught up in the nuances of the problem
> set up instead of getting the answer. From a sighted perspective, I can
> understand his angst when having to go up, down, left, right, and sideways
> on a Perkins just for one problem alone and sometimes having to start all
> over if not lined up correctly. All we do with Math is erase with a pencil
> eraser.
>
> My question I guess is when is the right to introduce technology into the
> classroom curriculum. He is one and half years shy of being in middle
> school. I have the Duxbury software, the screen reader, the notetaker, and
> the embosser. When can we put Perkins down for limited use.
>
> Tene
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:01:32 -0600
> From: "Andy & Sally Thomas" <andysally at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <DAA50A87133045259F623B8B8B608802 at andysallyhome>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Have you seen a Mountbatten Brailler? Since it is electric and has a
> light
> touch, it might help.
>
> Sally Thomas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tene Gibson" <g_tene305 at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
>
>
> That I understand - as far as regarding the problem set up - I understand
> the need to know this. My issue is - Is there an easier assistive
> technology
> to do this on. I am not looking for an easier way to get the answer - I
> want
> that concept learned as with the rest of his class. I am looking at a
> workflow point of view. Last I heard the new Perkins is still on
> backorder -
> so we are still dealing with the oldy goldy - clunky hard key machine.
> Like
> does it make sense for Na'im to work thru the problem on his computer
> using
> Duxbury and a word document and to print it out using an embosser? Are
> there
> cons with this method and what are they? Are they just positional issues?
> Na'im is given 20 long division problems a night sometimes - 2 per page
> may
> fit barring any mistakes.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Debra Baxley <debrabaxley at bellsouth.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:47:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
>
> Somehow, doing Math with the Perkins brailler causes the concepts to be
> understood better because of the physical movement on the page. Because I
> did Math with a Perkins brailler, I can now type a Math problem in print
> because I understand the formatting so well.
>
> Debra
>
>-----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Tene Gibson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:50 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
>
> How do we lessen the frustration? Although I may agree some repitition, I
> believe that in some circles that the "drilling" method, even in children
> with sight, has been proven defunct. Lord knows both of my children hold
> to
> the standard "I did that already and I am not doing it again." Na'im has
> no
> problem identifying the concept of math or the process it takes to get
> from
> point A to point B. The issue is when do we move in the 21st century? When
> do we grasp what we have available in the schools as far as technology is
> concerned? I learned how to start a fire by rubbing sticks, but I still
> prefer matches or a lighter.
>
> Tene
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:02:56 -0600
> From: "H. Field" <missheather at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] nonvisual teaching techniques
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <ECBBD4206892442EAC6DA1DC2F89C27C at heathersony>
>
> The achives of The Blind Educators list has a lot of e-mails detailing
> various nonvisual techniques blind teachers use.
>
> You can also join the blind teachers group on yahoo groups and look at
> that archive as well.
>
> Most of the time blind students ask the same basic questions: how to
> manage behaviour, call students by their names, discipline, mark
> written work, manage assignments, assuage the fears of parents and
> colleagues etc. Most this is discussed at length in the archives of
> both e-mail lists.
>
> Regards,
>
> Heather
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carol Castellano" <carol_castellano at verizon.net>
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:20 PM
> Subject: [blindkid] nonvisual teaching techniques
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm trying to find out about the nonvisual techniques used by blind
> elementary school teachers in the regular classroom. I have sent an
> email to the blind educators list but thought I'd query here as
> well. If anyone has info, please write me on or off the list.
>
> Thanks!
> Carol
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:16:31 -0700
> From: Patricia Renfranz <dblair2525 at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
> To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP73D375FB59BD5D0B1A6B7CD5C30 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Sounds awfully tedious.
> In 4th grade, my daughter used an abacus for computation and a Perkins
> Brailler to record answers.
>
> In 7th grade, she is still using a Perkins for all of her algebra work. We
> are planning on trying software called Nemetex that handles linear (so,
> not
> long division as would be set up in print) math in a way to go from
> BrailleNote to inkprint. However, our issues with technology, learning
> another piece of software, etc... make us leery of moving in this
> direction
> too quickly.
>
> Setting up math on the computer is not always easy - maybe for a division
> problem it is straightforward, I don't know. For more complicated math
> people use Math ML and such. It's doubly difficult to get that compatible
> with accessibility software. When I spent a little time on the math
> listserv, I thought, this is going to have to come later.
>
> Maybe a compromise would be to use the "Math window" on a problem or 2, to
> show the teacher he knows how to set up a division problem, then have him
> gain the abacus skills so that the computation is less cumbersome? In the
> meantime, two resources are Susan Osterhaus at TSBVI and Gaylen Kapperman
> at
> Northern Illinois University, who may better be able to steer you towards
> a
> technology-based way to get through this. You might also pose the question
> on the NFB's math listserv.
>
> Good luck,
> Pat
> --
> dblair2525 at msn.com
> 801-582-2293
>
>
>
>> From: Tene Gibson <g_tene305 at yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind
>> children)"
>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:26:34 -0800 (PST)
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
>>
>> That I understand -?as far as regarding the problem set up - I understand
>> the
>> need to know this.? My issue is - Is there an easier assistive technology
>> to
>> do this on.? I am not looking for an easier way to get the answer - I
>> want
>> that concept learned as with the rest of his class.? I am looking at a
>> workflow point of view. Last I heard the new Perkins is still on
>> backorder -
>> so we are still dealing with the oldy goldy - clunky hard key machine.
>> Like
>> does it make sense for Na'im to work thru the problem on his computer
>> using
>> Duxbury and a word document and to print it out using an embosser? Are
>> there
>> cons with this method and what are they? Are they just positional issues?
>> Na'im is given 20 long division problems a night sometimes? - 2 per page
>> may
>> fit barring any mistakes.?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Debra Baxley <debrabaxley at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:47:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
>>
>> Somehow, doing Math with the Perkins brailler causes the concepts to be
>> understood better because of the physical movement on the page.? Because
>> I
>> did Math with a Perkins brailler, I can now type a Math problem in print
>> because I understand the formatting so well.?
>>
>> Debra
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tene Gibson
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:50 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] 4th Grade Math and introduction of technology
>>
>> How do we lessen the frustration?? Although I may agree some repitition,
>> I
>> believe that in some circles that the "drilling" method, even in children
>> with sight, has been proven defunct.? Lord knows both of my children hold
>> to
>> the standard "I did that already and I am not doing it again."? Na'im has
>> no
>> problem identifying the? concept of math or the process it takes to get
>> from
>> point?A to point B.? The issue is when do we move in the 21st century?
>> When
>> do we grasp what we have available in the schools as far as technology is
>> concerned?? I learned how to start a fire by rubbing sticks, but I still
>> prefer matches or a lighter.
>>
>> Tene
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:52:35 -0500
> From: Carol Castellano <blindchildren at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] nonvisual teaching techniques
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> Thank you, Heather.
> Carol
>
> At 10:02 PM 2/3/2009, you wrote:
>>The achives of The Blind Educators list has a lot of e-mails detailing
>>various nonvisual techniques blind teachers use.
>>
>>You can also join the blind teachers group on yahoo groups and look at
>>that archive as well.
>>
>>Most of the time blind students ask the same basic questions: how to
>>manage behaviour, call students by their names, discipline, mark
>>written work, manage assignments, assuage the fears of parents and
>>colleagues etc. Most this is discussed at length in the archives of
>>both e-mail lists.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Heather
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Carol Castellano" <carol_castellano at verizon.net>
>>To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:20 PM
>>Subject: [blindkid] nonvisual teaching techniques
>>
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I'm trying to find out about the nonvisual techniques used by blind
>>elementary school teachers in the regular classroom. I have sent an
>>email to the blind educators list but thought I'd query here as
>>well. If anyone has info, please write me on or off the list.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Carol
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:03:26 -0600
> From: "Danielsen, Chris" <CDanielsen at nfb.org> (by way of David Andrews
> <dandrews at visi.com>)
> Subject: [blindkid] National Federation of the Blind to Attend World
> Bank Workshop
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
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> Dear Fellow Federationists:
>
> Dr. Fredric Schroeder, first vice president of the National
> Federation of the Blind, will address the World Bank workshop:
> "Actuality of Braille in Different Socioeconomic Settings," on
> February 10, 2009, at World Bank headquarters in Washington, DC. The
> workshop, sponsored by the World Bank HDNSP, Education for All - Fast
> Track Initiative, GPDD, and the National Federation of the Blind, is
> intended to highlight the usability and affordability of Braille in
> all socioeconomic settings. The event will focus on current use of
> Braille in education in Africa and Latin America, with live
> interviews via videoconference with Kampala, Montevideo, and Sao Paulo.
>
>
>
> Registration is required for the workshop and registered guests may
> use the 1818 H Street NW entrance to the World Bank headquarters. To
> register, please contact Merced Blanquita Doroteo at
> <mailto:Mswan at worldbank.org>Mswan at worldbank.org.
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>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:10:37 -0600
> From: "Meng, Debi" <Meng at sccompanies.com>
> Subject: [blindkid] Braille writer
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Jonathan will never read print so it is imperative that we get him
> started learning Braille. We currently have the old metal Perkins
> brailler. This is very hard for our 3 year old to press the keys.
> Are there other Braille writers available for very young beginners?
>
> Debi
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:58:50 -0500
> From: <trising at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille writer
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
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>
> There is a new Perkins Brailler out that supposedly has keys that are
> easier
> to press. As to the old Braillers, I learned to use one at age 4. It was a
> little tough to press the keys, but I was so excited to be doing what the
> big kids were doing, I wrote my letters and would not admit my hands were
> tired until the teachers made me stop.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:01:07 +0000
> From: Christi-An Miceli <christi_an at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille writer
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
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>
> I can't speak to an easier braille writer. I do remember a kindergarten
> teacher tell me that to strengthen my eldest daugher's hand strength to
> play with playdo. If you don't like the mess with playdo than try some
> different shaped stress balls.
>
> Christi-An
>
> As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.
> Joshua 24:15> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:10:37 -0600> From:
> Meng at sccompanies.com> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org> Subject: [blindkid] Braille
> writer> > > Jonathan will never read print so it is imperative that we get
> him> started learning Braille. We currently have the old metal Perkins>
> brailler. This is very hard for our 3 year old to press the keys.> Are
> there other Braille writers available for very young beginners? > > Debi >
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:39:38 -0500
> From: Jessica Trask <jess28 at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille writer
> To: blindkid at nfbnet.org
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> Debi,
> There is a newer version of the classic perkins braille writer out.
> It's sold by the American Printing House for the Blind in Louisville
> Kentucky. When I was listening to the coverage of ATIA through SAM Net
> Radio. They interviewed someone for from the Printing house and he said
> as of right now the Brailler was on back order and he also said that
> all the back orders would be filled by the springtime. The other option
> is to an Electronic Brailler. you can go to either
> www.perkinsbrailler.org or www.aph.org or www.perkinsproducts.org
>
> --
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:39:49 -0700
> From: Marla Palmer <palmermommy at q.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille writer
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>, <pobc-presidents at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <BLU120-W543176A5B454A5530F7EE2B8C30 at phx.gbl>
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>
> This past Sunday, the Salt Lake Tribune ran a front page article on Katie
> Colton. Kuddos to Julia Lyon for writing a nice piece!
>
> http://www.sltrib.com/ci_11604505?IADID=Search-www.sltrib.com-www.sltrib.com
>
> http://166.70.44.68/multimedia/2009/Katie_Colton/index.html
>
>
>
> Katie
> is a delightful teenager with a huge imagination and even bigger heart.
> Her mom (Dr.) Denise Colton is the Vice President of the UPBC and Board
> Member of the NOPBC
>
>
>
> Marla PalmerPresident, Utah Parents of Blind Children (UPBC)1062 E.
> Fairway DriveNorth Salt Lake, Utah
> 84054801-797-9760www.upobc.blogspot.com?The
> greatest danger for most of us lies in not setting our aim too high and
> falling
> short, but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark.?
> **Michelangelo
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:14:40 -0600
> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille writer
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <A98D2F0932DE4A6CA901BBABA7F30553 at D3DTZP41>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Hello Debi:
>
> It is possible to get Extension keys for a Perkins. These attach to
> the
> keys making them longer and thus giving the user more leverage. Perkins
> also
> sells an Electric Perkins. The Montbatten might be an option, but it's
> expensive and I wonder how durable they are.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert Jaquiss
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Meng, Debi" <Meng at sccompanies.com>
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:10 AM
> Subject: [blindkid] Braille writer
>
>
>>
>> Jonathan will never read print so it is imperative that we get him
>> started learning Braille. We currently have the old metal Perkins
>> brailler. This is very hard for our 3 year old to press the keys.
>> Are there other Braille writers available for very young beginners?
>>
>> Debi
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:39:43 -0500
> From: "Bonnie Lucas" <lucas.bonnie at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille writer
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <886FE607E3F2410495792A3D4C0BD60C at Lucas1>
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>
> I did not start using the Braille writer until I was six because my
> parents
> did not take me to the blind school until I was six. We lived in a very
> rural location and in those days there was no such thing as early
> childhood
> intervention. I weighed 40 lb and I still remember that it was very hard
> to
> press the keys and at first I was frustrated. However, with consistent
> practice and encouragement from my teachers, I learned to write. We were
> rewarded with a ccandy bar for writing our first and last name. My
> daugher,
> Aubrie, has only used the perkins, the one I won in fourth grade in 1965,
> to
> learn to write with and she has done fine. Encourage just pressing any key
> and making dots at first. then just have your little one write one dot at
> a
> time and make a whole line of that one dot. the finger strength will
> eventually be built up. Remember, that for a sighted child to learn to
> form
> letters, it takes litterally hundreds of hours of scribbling. Best of
> luck.
> Bonnie Lucas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Meng, Debi" <Meng at sccompanies.com>
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:10 AM
> Subject: [blindkid] Braille writer
>
>
>>
>> Jonathan will never read print so it is imperative that we get him
>> started learning Braille. We currently have the old metal Perkins
>> brailler. This is very hard for our 3 year old to press the keys.
>> Are there other Braille writers available for very young beginners?
>>
>> Debi
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:26:03 -0600
> From: "Jen and Bill O'Neill" <jenbilloneill at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille writer
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <001201c986ed$a7c2ea70$6401a8c0 at Camio>
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>
> Debi,
>
> Our daughter, Camille, is now 4 years old and she has taken off with her
> Braille on a Mountbatten Braillewriter this year. We love it for her.
> She
> is a peanut as she was a micropreemie, so lacked the strength to push the
> keys on a typical Perkins. Her hands are very small as well, so the key
> positioning on a traditional Perkins was not ideal...yet we knew she was
> cognitively ready to go full speed ahead with it. To make things more
> interesting, she has a limited amount of vision in one eye and loves to
> try
> to use it. Even though she can read large print now, it is face to the
> book
> and in my opinion, will not be reliable or efficient enough for her to use
> as her main medium AND writing print is nearly impossible at this point as
> visual motor skills are hard due to her spotty vision. We were very set
> on
> getting her started on Braille with technology that was appropriate for
> her
> so that she would be willing to use it as much as she wants to try to read
> print and keep her at the reading level we know that she is capable of.
> The
> Mountbatten has served that purpose very well. It is electronic, more
> ergonomically suitable for little fingers, and has many advanced functions
> that will allow for some growing room as your son gets into elementary
> school. Additionally, it has speech feedback, which I love as it is so
> fun
> to watch Camille participate in incidental learning by listening to what
> she's typing and it has the capability to communicate with a PC and has a
> screen so a non-braille reader can tell what is being typed in braille.
> The
> drawback---it's expensive. The entire Mountbatten learning system is
> around
> $4000. Maybe a good time to approach your TVI or see if there is a loan
> program in your state. Camille doesn't go to a school for the blind, but
> if
> you have one in your state, they often have every kind of technology and
> may
> be able to let you try one out as well or at least show it to you.
> Appropriate technology at this age is a big debate still, but don't be
> afraid to push for it if you think it's appropriate. It has made a
> difference for Camille in the speed with which she has been able to pick
> up
> learning Braille.
>
> The website is www.mountbattenbrailler.com
>
> Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Meng, Debi" <Meng at sccompanies.com>
> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:10 AM
> Subject: [blindkid] Braille writer
>
>
>>
>> Jonathan will never read print so it is imperative that we get him
>> started learning Braille. We currently have the old metal Perkins
>> brailler. This is very hard for our 3 year old to press the keys.
>> Are there other Braille writers available for very young beginners?
>>
>> Debi
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