[blindkid] [Bulk] subtracting in Nemeth braille

[Brandy W]

Hi, I strongly disagree. Once the child has the concept than they can use an 
abacus instead of the long process of rolling the paper in and out and 
moving the carrage all around. My abacus skills helped me a ton all through 
school. I use it in my every day life. I use to keep track of totals in the 
store, scores when playing games to quickly budjet things and on and on.

Bran

Brandy Wojcik
Discovery Toys Educational Leader
www.playtoachieve.com
(512) 231-8697
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [blindkid] [Bulk] subtracting in Nemeth braille


> Right on! But I see no need for the abacus! By the time one needs an 
> abacus, a calculator works just as well! (grin)
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandy W" <branlw at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind chn\(was 
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, Oct 16, 2009 12:48:21
> Subject: Re: [blkid] [Bulk]  subtracting in Nemeth braille
>
>>
>>
>> Hi, When I do subtraction on the Braille Writer I don't use extra signs. 
>> One
>> doesn't need to cross it out. If need be she could just put a 4 sign over
>> it. Once I was profeciant we moved on to the abacus. Much faster and 
>> makes
>> more since. Hope this helps. Bran
>>
>> Brandy Wojcik
>> Discovery Toys Educational Leader
>> www.playtoachieve.com
>> (512) 231-8697
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joy Orton" <ortonsmom at gmail.com>
>> To: <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:03 AM
>> Subject: [Bulk] [blkid] subtracting in Nemeth braille
>>
>>
>> > Dear Friends,
>> > Our third grader is doing subtraction with two and three digit numbers 
>> > and
>> > some borrowing. In print, the number is crossed out and a new digit
>> > written
>> > in above it. In nemeth, you have to use a "start cancelling" sign and a
>> > "stop cancelling" sign before and after each digit to be changed. I 
>> > know
>> > this takes lots of paper.
>> >
>> > Right now our daughter is doing subtractions problems in her head.
>> > Occasionally she gets mixed up, so the answer "21" might turn into 
>> > "12."
>> > She
>> > knows her math facts, but two and three digit numbers are a lot to keep 
>> > up
>> > with. She has been introduced to the "long" way to do it in Nemeth, but
>> > she
>> > does not seem comfortable with it. (Honestly right now she is missing 
>> > no
>> > more than one in 10 of this kind of problem. Maybe I'm 
>> > hyper-sensitive.)
>> >
>> > I don't know if her teachers are emphasizing writing it out. I know 
>> > right
>> > now it's not a big deal, but I think it will be important in the future 
>> > to
>> > have the skill of cancelling a digit or expression. I can think of
>> > reducing
>> > fractions as an example of when it is needed.
>> >
>> > How have you dealt with this situation?
>> > 1. How much do I need to emphasize it?
>> > 2. How can I encourage the teachers and transcriptionist to help her 
>> > work
>> > on
>> > it?
>> >
>> > A related question: Is there an easy to read Nemeth guide or "cheat 
>> > sheet"
>> > like the alphabet and contraction sheet? I have a 255 page binder from
>> > BANA
>> > with the whole code and all the rules, but it is hard to find what I 
>> > want.
>> >
>> > Thanks for your help!
>> > Joy Orton
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