[blindkid] MacBook Pro

Albert J Rizzi albert at myblindspot.org
Fri Feb 26 14:04:59 UTC 2010


I am familiar with this lawsuit. I would ask you to keep your mind open to
considering how simple it is to make any site accessible, provided one has
the IT knowledge, appreciation and understanding of universal design when
crafting or updating a site. Without having all companies, federal or
otherwise, adhere to the section 508 compliance issues, our community of
blind students and adults will forever be at a critical disadvantage  and
will continue to be unemployed  or under employed. It is not just the web
sites we search that complicate it is the intra nets which also need to be
accessible in order to shift the 70 to 80% unemployment rates amongst the
blind. it is a simple coding process which would allow assistive
technologies and software to work. It is also not that expensive. My company
and I have partnered  with tecaccess.net to make accessibility for all a
reality. It costs a little over 10k for a small to mid size business  to
make it's intra and inter nets accessible, and before you say how expensive
that is, know that the government gives a 10k tax incentive or credit once a
business makes their sites accessible. Schools, municipalities and any
institution getting federal funding are required by law to adhere to these
laws, and there are federal grants available to offset the costs to make
sites compliant. I am working on making my county on long island the most
compliant in our state and have meetings with every school district
scheduled for the 14th of April and a meeting with our town and county
officials to educate and mitigate this unfortunate  avoidance of adherence.
it is not all that expensive and when a tech team is introduced to the
concept they get it and say what have we been waiting for and they get on
it. do not fall prey to the rhetoric of it is to expensive. it is not in
comparison to the dollars spent on public assistance and the loss of tax
revenues when we block employment for nearly 40 million people who can work.
Assistive technologies are also options in peoples lives with paralysis and
cognitive delays. It is economics 101, supply and demand. Demand
accessibility and they will supply it.

Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
CEO/Founder
My Blind Spot, Inc.
90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
New York, New York  10004
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Richard Holloway
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:44 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)
Subject: Re: [blindkid] MacBook Pro

The NFB actually already sued Target over web concerns back in 2006.

Here is a USA Today article from when this was first filed:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-25-blind_x.htm

If you google Case No.:  C 06-01802 MHP you can find many details of  
the NFB case and the settlement.

Part of me wants to jump on board and say yes, make everyone comply  
but in reality the very nature of the web makes that unrealistic or  
really just plain impossible. While we may be able to get a big  
company like Target to comply by law, we have to remember too that  
many web pages are setup by small groups or single individuals with  
little budget or very often for no money.

Many people could not afford to make existing sites compliment, and if  
they were forced, all they could do would be to take the site off- 
line; sort of the opposite result of what I think most of us would  
hope to achieve.

On the brighter side, I do think that over time design software  
improvements alone will help future sites a lot. For example when I  
upgraded to the CS3 release of Dreamweaver (web design software I like  
to use) they had set a default to remind you to add alternative text  
descriptions-- something that can be easy to overlook. I really think  
that better educated web designers and improved software are the most  
probable ways that most sites are going to improve in the future.

Richard




On Feb 25, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Albert J Rizzi wrote:

> In that vein what are we as an organization  doing to educate and  
> mitigate
> in these instances? Ignorance is bliss but it is putting our  
> community at a
> needless disadvantage. With all the technological advancements and the
> present legislation in place how do we effectively voice our need for
> attention to these details? It is simple to do yet without a law  
> suit or a
> screaming match it seems little attention is paid to our inter and  
> intra net
> access needs.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> CEO/Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York  10004
> www.myblindspot.org
> PH: 917-553-0347
> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one  
> who is
> doing it."
>
>
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid- 
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Thea Eaton
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:48 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)'
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] MacBook Pro
>
> Yes, all Flash content is accessible to JAWS, Window Eyes and Hal,  
> as long
> as - just like in HTML- the content is tagged and set up for  
> accessibility.
>
> Especially for older kids, I would choose a computer that can access  
> Flash.
> Most high school textbooks are being migrated to the web, and will  
> have
> Flash content. We have just finished a line of accessible enrichment
> activities for Harcourt School, for example, that accompany their  
> online
> textbooks. All these activities are on the web, in Flash and go hand  
> in hand
> with their textbooks. Pearson education is also migrating their  
> assessments
> online, in Flash. Many of their educational eBooks are also Flash  
> based. All
> these learning materials will not be accessible on a Mac, because  
> you will
> only be limited to HTML content, which might be fine for browsing a  
> large
> portion of the web, but any interactivity such as eBooks, learning
> materials, audio and video, will be inaccessible.
>
> Thea Eaton
> DoodleDoo
> www.doodledoo.com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid- 
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sally Thomas
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:04 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] MacBook Pro
>
> I'm interested in the usefulness of the Mac for older kids.  I hear  
> comments
>
> like Heather's about her friend using the Mac so I'm really  
> curious.  My son
>
> is past the Cartoon Network stage.
>
> When he was younger, Flash sites he tried to access with JAWS were not
> accessible.  I guess some of it depends on how the site is  
> designed.  I am
> sure that all Flash content is not compatible with JAWS.  I'm going  
> to check
>
> with the NFB Access Technology Team as Treva suggested to check on
> usefulness of the Mac for older kids.  I think the suggestion to  
> check with
> the student division is a good one too.
>
> Since it sounds like Apple is going to try to get the iPad placed as  
> an
> academic tool and since NFB has worked with Apple to improve  
> accessibility,
> I think the Mac may be a serious contender for older kids.
>
> Sally Thomas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thea Eaton" <thea at doodledoo.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)'"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] MacBook Pro
>
>
>> Apple's Voice Over screen reader is not compatible with Adobe Flash
>> content.
>> Screen readers that are Flash compatible like JAWS, Window Eyes and  
>> Hal do
>> not have a Mac version. This would make all Flash websites for  
>> children,
>> like Cartoon Network and other accessible Flash sites, inaccessible  
>> on a
>> Mac. I would therefore not recommend a Mac for children who are  
>> wanting to
>> use a screen reader to access the web.
>>
>>
>> Thea Eaton
>> DoodleDoo
>> www.doodledoo.com
>> Where early birds learn.
>> 1-888-42 DOODLE
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid- 
>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sally Thomas
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:37 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] MacBook Pro
>>
>> I believe that it is only the Apple mobile devices that don't support
>> Flash.
>>
>> Sally Thomas
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Thea Eaton" <thea at doodledoo.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)'"
>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] MacBook Pro
>>
>>
>>> As far as I know, most of the screen readers do not run on the Mac.
>>> Apple's
>>> own screen reader is very limited to the OS, I think, and is not
>>> compatible
>>> with all internet content, like Flash. Because more and more Flash
>>> content
>>> is now made accessible to screen reader users, especially children's
>>> content, I would not recommend getting a Mac, but a PC with an MSAA
>>> compatible screen reader like JAWS.
>>>
>>> Thea Eaton
>>> DoodleDoo
>>> www.doodledoo.com
>>> Where early birds learn.
>>> 1-888-42 DOODLE
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>> ] On
>>> Behalf Of Sally Thomas
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:27 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>>> Subject: [blindkid] MacBook Pro
>>>
>>> Do any blind kids you know use a MacBook for school work?  My son  
>>> has an
>>> iPod Touch which he loves.  He is even able to type and send email  
>>> from
>>> it
>>> despite the touch screen.  This has convinced him that a MacBook  
>>> is the
>>> best
>>>
>>> computer for him.  I'm wondering about the limitations of the  
>>> built in
>>> screen reader or any other idiosyncrasies that would limit its use.
>>> Since
>>> it doesn't require the purchase of JAWS or other screen reading  
>>> software,
>>> it
>>>
>>> might be a good choice.
>>>
>>> Sally Thomas
>>>
>>>
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