[blindkid] Signs for Susan

Albert J Rizzi albert at myblindspot.org
Wed Feb 27 04:32:19 UTC 2013


Well I am going to try and determine the process for asking for a children
at play sign. my village clerk said there was a process, and that it should
be the same procedure I followed when I had the signs put up on my block.
Oddly enough, all I did was made a call, and the rest was handled in under
two weeks. I do not recall filing  anything, I just called and made the
request.

I am going to find out just how difficult it is or is not for that matter to
get a universal children at play sign.

I sit on the disability advisory board for Suffolk county, and will see what
this is all about. When I now more I will share it for sure. peace.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:09 PM
To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
Subject: Re: [blindkid] Signs for Susan

Albert, the below argument is a great one supporting a "children at play"
sign with no mention of blindness. Again this sounds like an excellent
compromise to me.
I think we are sometimes guilty of making things into blindness issues that
are really broader societal issues.
Arielle

On 2/26/13, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Give it a shot. Still not going to stop parents wanting to take any 
> and all steps to protect and ensure the well being of their children.
>
> You just can't agree to disagree can you?
>
> One thing came to mind as one of the posts discussed how a driver 
> would not be able to tell a blind child from a sighted child. And for 
> all practical purposes that is completely true.
>
> The individual then said the drivers would be wondering which one of 
> the kids was blind. in that case, the blind kid is no different than 
> the sighted kid in those instances, and all the kids would be safer 
> because a sign informed that there was reason to do so. The fact that 
> a blind child looks just like any other kid to the casual observer, 
> the blind kids then become that driving force that brings awareness to 
> a need for a driver to slow down, because you could never know which 
> kid is or is not blind, thereby requiring all drivers to look at all 
> the kids as the same. no stigma as I see it, just a lot of kids, and 
> one is blind, and without ever knowing who that blind kid is, the 
> driver  by default treats all the kids the same and drives in a safer 
> manner then he would had if a sign had not been present.
> the need to be concerned about pedestrians with a different way of 
> seeing things is a socially conscious thing we should be aware of.
>
>
> Again, just agree to disagree.
>
> I still contend that to not accept the differences we all bring to the 
> table is not empowering at all. blind is blind and sighted is sighted. 
> Now, I have never seen more clearly then I have as a blind person, but 
> that does not mean, without Braille, or assistive tools and such, 
> including a cane or a guide dog, that I would be  less of a person for 
> having to use them. But the blind are different, we do things 
> differently than the sighted do then, and heck we even do them 
> differently from one blind person to the next.
>
> Seems like if the federationists  do not find a value or purpose in 
> choices that some prefer to make, then we are not good members of the 
> blind community.
>
> Why don't we focus on more critical matters that will destroy our 
> children's self esteem, like text books in alternate formats, that are 
> immediately available at each school year. Why not get schools to stop 
> taking a Childs cane away for fear that the cane would be used  as a 
> weapon or that the child could hurt themselves. Why not get schools to 
> offer assistive technologies, in every school in the nation, so that a 
> blind child does not have to rely on an aid to take their notes and 
> such.
>
> I am sure that many parents on this list are raising very capable, 
> adept, independent and powerful children full of self esteem. But not 
> all schools are like that.
>
> Wouldn't it be a better way to spend your energy peter, if you passed 
> a resolution that would require that all schools across America 
> offered the least restrictive environment for a blind student, and not 
> lower their independence  and self esteem by getting them an aid to do
their work.
>  The technologies are there to allow any student, blind or not  to be 
> as independent as they themselves are able. Wouldn't it be a better 
> use of time to pass a resolution to have the blind student, and only a 
> student that has nothing more than blindness, to not be considered 
> special ed? They are not special needs if we follow the logic of the 
> sign discussion we have going on here. they are cognitively adept, and 
> yet they have ieps and are looked as special needs. The are just 
> blind, and I for one would like to see a resolution requiring that 
> schools not treat a child with a simple diagnosis of blindness as a 
> special needs child.
>
> Teachers need to t3each to the students ability and use all the tools 
> they have with the goal of the student thriving as an independent free 
> thinking participatory person in the classroom, and the entire school.
>
> So much more needs to be done with those resolutions you speak of to 
> make websites and intranets as well as school networks accessible and 
> usable to the blind. there is much more that a resolution might do for 
> ensuring independence and building self esteem for all blind people of 
> all ages, if it were resolved that all aspects of section 508 of the 
> rehab act were enforced. Federally funded agencies, must be accessible 
> according to my interpretation of the 508 regulations. Yet, many, many 
> schools are not blind friendly from a technology perspective. Our 
> county websites, and our town websites are not user friendly to jaws 
> or window eyes. As citizens we are guaranteed the right to access the 
> information about our politicians and to apply for county jobs, but we 
> cannot as seamlessly as our sighted peers.
> Print disabled parents, and their print disabled children are not able 
> to access the internet and the website for their schools, which is the 
> major 2way schools disseminate information these days. that could use 
> a resolution.
>
> But working on a resolution to limit a parents right to sign or not to 
> sign is not a fight that will open the doors to the internet for our 
> children, it will not open the doors of employment and it will not 
> open the political doors unless and until we acknowledge that the 
> blind are different, not less then, different, not incapable, just 
> different, and as such we need different tools and options so we can 
> assimilate and live in a world that is full of people who are the 
> majority and that majority has sight.
>
> The sighted community has many signs we use, and this sign discussion 
> is one I feel, while heated, is best left on a case by case basis. No 
> resolution passed by the ffederationists  will curtail anything a 
> parent chooses  to do, that in their opinion, serves to protect and 
> ensure that their child or children grow up to be confident young men 
> and young women full of self esteem, because they did not get hit by a 
> driver of a car, who was not able to take in enough sensory 
> information to understand that the child they hit was blind or deaf or 
> any other child who's god given difference is not a norm that narrow 
> minded people see as normal.
>
> Normal is what we make it. what is normal for the sighted world, is no 
> longer my normal in my blind life.
>
> Normal is what we make it, and if two normals are diametrically 
> opposed, and if putting up a sign even impacts one Childs life 
> positively, and in turn makes their parents lives better, and that 
> sign possibly positively impact the lives of children positively as well.
then what is the harm.
>
> Perhaps instead of a resolution banning signs, common place pedestrian
> signs, we should   work on resolutions that ensure adaptive technologies
> are
> in the schools, that they are in the colleges and universities, that 
> the colleges and universities  offer course work for wc3 regulations, 
> section
> 508 regulations, and computer courses that teach programmers how to 
> make the virtual world open and accessible to the blind, and then take 
> that next step to ensure that corporate America also makes their work 
> environments user friendly to the print disabled, allowing our blind 
> children and our print disabled children to work gainfully, which I 
> assure you would be one huge roller coaster of self esteem that would 
> take them through the rest of their lives.
>
> Resolve to make work environments better, virtual public forums 
> accessible, resolve to make banks accessible and usable, brokerage 
> firms should be accessible.
>
> There is so much more we could do with a resolution, then ban a 
> parents right or an individual's right to choose  to put up a 
> pedestrian sign letting people know that a blind person lives in the 
> area. Peter we got bigger fish to fry, and I hope we can agree on that.
> .
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter 
> Donahue
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Signs for Susan
>
> Good evening everyone,
>
>     I heard that we never could get a resolution passed concerning 
> dining-in-the-dark, but one was successfully passed last summer in Dallas.
> The convention ultimately decides which resolutions are adopted and 
> which will not. We have taken stands on other types of programs and 
> behaviors that stigmatize blind people and have adopted resolutions 
> concerning many of them. Perhaps it's time that a position concerning 
> the use of "Blind Child/Pedestrian" signs is brought to the convention 
> for consideration. All the best.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Signs for Susan
>
>
> Hi all,
> As my (hopefully) last post on this topic, I would just like to make 
> the observation that all the former blind children on this list who 
> chose to comment expressed opposition to putting up "blind child"
> signs as opposed to "child at play" signs. That is, all the blind 
> adults on this list who have personal experience growing up blind 
> oppose use of the signs. (Albert, since you said you have only been 
> blind for seven years, I am assuming that you lost your sight in 
> adulthood-correct me if I am wrong). I think this sentiment among 
> former blind children is something worth considering if you find 
> yourself grappling with this decision. We can argue about whether or 
> not the signs confer benefit to a blind child or if they actually 
> address risks blind children experience that sighted children do not 
> experience. But we also need to keep in mind that the potential stigma 
> and self-esteem threat posed by a blind-child sign is a real problem 
> that former blind children have picked up on. As former blind children 
> we know what it is like to be told, directly or indirectly, that 
> blindness is an inferior condition of being, or to be labeled as 
> different in the eyes of others. A sign is a label saying that someone 
> is blind and therefore deserving of special treatment. Perhaps this is 
> justified in certain situations, perhaps not, but either way it is 
> stigmatizing and threatening to one's sense of positive identity. I 
> know you want to keep your children safe, but I also think you want to 
> raise children who are ultimately comfortable with themselves and OK 
> with their blindness. I think it's important to keep both of those 
> things in mind when deciding whether or not to get a sign or to do any 
> number of things that call special attention to a blind child. While I 
> don't personally support an NFB resolution to oppose signs and am 
> confident such a resolution would not pass, I do think that former 
> blind children need to be consulted when evaluating these kinds of 
> accommodations. I think that is one of the great things about NOPBC.
> Similarly, I think that people in the deaf community, and especially 
> those who were once deaf children, are the best ones to comment on the 
> benefits and risks of "deaf child" signs. I'm glad this topic was 
> brought up as, to be honest, I didn't even know such signs existed 
> before we began this discussion.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 2/26/13, Rene Harrell <rjharrell at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Richard,
>>
>> I think you did an excellent job of outlining risks and concerns. :) 
>> I simply struggle with understanding how it translates in the 
>> practical reality of a sign. Unless your child is carrying a cane, 
>> her disability is INVISIBLE to the drivers coming down the road. They 
>> have no way to discern if your child is the Blind one that the sign 
>> refers to, or whether or not to treat every child walking down the 
>> road as if they might be the blind one. All they know is that there 
>> might be a blind child in the area but without a way of identifying a 
>> blind child, there is no way for them to see a 10 year old walking 
>> down the street and prepare themselves for the chance they might veer 
>> off into the road unexpectedly. As a driver then, I am not looking at 
>> your 10 year old and being any more careful about them than I would 
>> for any other ten year old, even with the "Blind Child" sign.
>>
>> If your child is carrying a cane, then I don't need a Blind Child 
>> sign to recognize that your child is blind and to be extra vigilant 
>> about her crossing the road. Everywhere Clare goes with her cane, and 
>> when we are crossing roads, when drivers see that she is carrying a 
>> cane they assume the responsibility of being more aware of themselves and
their driving.
>> Most of them probably have no idea that white cane laws exist. This 
>> is how we safely navigate areas with no such sign in sight.
>>
>> Same thing with "deaf child" and "autistic child" signs. When there 
>> is no way to actually differentiate the child who is the reason for 
>> the sign, you have no way discernible way to know for whom to be 
>> vigilant *for*. The sign then actually provides no benefit if you 
>> can't figure out *who* it is that is requiring this caution. If I see 
>> a 10 year old walking by the "deaf child sign" but he doesn't 
>> "appear" deaf to me, then I am not going to presume he's deaf.
>>
>> I am not meaning to insult any one for choosing to use such a sign, 
>> and I don't think any one needs to feel guilty, shamed, or browbeaten 
>> for choosing to something they believe protects their child's safety,  
>> nor needs to apologize for it. That was in no way the intent of my 
>> original post on this topic, and I apologize if my words came across 
>> in that manner.
>> When determining this for ourselves, I ultimately concluded that 
>> people may not be able to identify my blind child if she were outside 
>> without her cane, but people CAN readily identify children. As I 
>> happen to have six young children, it is far more practical that 
>> people know to keep aware for little ones in general than my blind 
>> child in specific, and with her cane she would require no extra 
>> explanation that she is blind. Therefore, when the town wanted to put 
>> up a "BLIND CHILD" sign we declined, but my when across the street 
>> neighbor told me that he shifted a couple of signs he put up around 
>> my next door neighbor's house back when they had four small kids so 
>> that they encompassed my house, I smiled and said "thank you". As it 
>> is, we live on the corner of a half-forgotten street that dead ends 
>> into an even smaller and more forgotten street with only four 
>> additional houses.
>> The road is so narrow that only one car can be on it at a time and if 
>> there are two cars going in opposite directions, one needs to pull 
>> off in a neighbor's yard for the other one to pass by. We have a 
>> couple of teenagers in the back who like to hot-rod their way down 
>> the road and have friends who like to do the same, but they know us 
>> personally because the neighborhood is incredibly small, and they 
>> keep a watchful eye for my kids in our yard. I think in reality, even 
>> the "Children at Play" sign does nothing practical, but as they were 
>> already there, I saw no harm in keeping them.
>>
>> Rene--- mom to six amazing kids, including Miss Clare age 11 (ROP) 
>> and Seraphina, 8 months (ONH) On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Albert 
>> J Rizzi
>> <albert at myblindspot.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Amen and testify Richard. Great post.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Richard Holloway
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:05 PM
>>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Signs for Susan
>>>
>>> Steve, I appreciate your question. I'm happy to discuss these matters.
>>>
>>> Purely from a driver's standpoint, I expect different reactions from 
>>> different situations in a driving environment. In that specific 
>>> example, certainly, if the kids were going to be playing, 
>>> particularly in a location where there were limited range of vision 
>>> for a driver, either sign would be appropriate and helpful. In that 
>>> specific case, kids are indeed playing.
>>> If,
>>> as a driver, you're in an alert status, looking for either "kids at 
>>> play", or a "blind child" you'll probably react safely, so in that 
>>> case I suggest either sign might be helpful.
>>>
>>> Now, put a blind child near the street in a yard or on a sidewalk. I 
>>> might actually expect ANY two-year-old to dart in any direction 
>>> virtually randomly, so I would slow down, especially if I didn't see 
>>> an adult holding such a child's hand. But make the child a bit 
>>> older. 5 or 6 perhaps. A kid that age, I believe, would be less 
>>> likely to jump out in traffic. By that age, I more expect kids to be 
>>> chasing balls without looking, but otherwise reasonably attentive. 
>>> Blind kids at that age, or at least my blind daughter was probably 
>>> MORE likely to bolt into the street than at a more docile age
>>> 2
>>> or 3. By 6 or 7, she was much more driven to abrupt movement, yet 
>>> not at all clear about the concept of cars coming down the street.
>>>
>>> Now as a 4th grader, my daughter is perhaps slightly less likely to 
>>> do something abrupt than at age 6, but still FAR more likely than 
>>> her sighted peers to walk arbitrarily into the street if she looses 
>>> her bearings.
>>> This
>>> sort of situation is NOT what "child at play" brings to mind.
>>>
>>> When driving, if I see a 10 or 12-year-old walking in a straight 
>>> line across the street, I would not anticipate the child making a 
>>> sharp turn or reversal. Most sighted kids I know don't generally do 
>>> that. My blind 10-year-old daughter certainly might. Again, from a 
>>> car driver's perspective, my daughter's behavior is not what is 
>>> typical from a child her age. A confused driver is, in my opinion, a 
>>> good deal more likely do do something dangerous in that sort of 
>>> situation. I think knowing she's blind, might keep her safer from 
>>> that driver, if only slightly so.
>>>
>>> Most important to me, again, as a driver, I often make eye contact 
>>> or exchange gestures with people on the road. I don't know how 
>>> universal that is. Maybe it is a regional thing. Down south, we wave 
>>> to say "thanks"
>>> when
>>> a
>>> driver lets us merge in front of them, and in fact failing to wave 
>>> is often taken as an insult. We wave people-- both kids and adults, 
>>> across the street all the time, or the pedestrian may wave off the 
>>> driver. The exchange is a very visual business. I slow down 
>>> sometimes and wait for eye contact to feel as sure as I can that I'm 
>>> aware of a pedestrian's intention. Well if you "make eye contact 
>>> with my daughter" what you inferred isn't going to be very accurate. 
>>> I can just imagine the later discussion-- "I saw her, she looked 
>>> right AT me, then she walked right in front of my car!!! I had no 
>>> idea she couldn't see me! I'm so sorry!!!" I feel ill at just the 
>>> notion. That's what I want to avoid with such signs. "Child at Play" 
>>> is no help there.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, in my situation here, I think that if we were not on 
>>> SUCH a quiet street, I would have already requested signs to protect 
>>> my daughter and minimize potential driver frustration, however, our 
>>> street is really VERY quiet, and we watch our daughter very 
>>> carefully.
>>>
>>> With that said, she's old enough that at some point, I'm going to 
>>> have to give her a little more freedom near the road. If I decide 
>>> she's not 100% safe, I reserve the right to request such a sign. I 
>>> don't want a lot of flack if I do so.
>>>
>>> As I think I mentioned before, I feel like a deaf child could easily 
>>> react differently as well. If the parents of a deaf child are 
>>> worried the child won't hear certain sounds and it puts them at 
>>> increased risk, from a driver's standpoint, I like to know that 
>>> someone won't react to the warning of a horn, for example. In that 
>>> case, I'd prefer a "deaf child" sign.
>>> The
>>> information is more specific; more useful to keep the child safe.
>>>
>>> The differences are subtle, but important. I think this is a 
>>> personal choice for each parent, and it really concerns me that 
>>> pressure of any kind is being exerted by others to avoid somehow 
>>> casting aspersions on the blind population by requesting these 
>>> signs.
>>>
>>> With that said, I also think this is a personal choice for a blind 
>>> adult as
>>> well-- a choice the adult makes for himself, mind you. I think what 
>>> happened in Colorado was really inappropriate, because others were 
>>> deciding this for the blind travelers. That doesn't mean if some 
>>> adults feel safer with these signs in place that they should be 
>>> prevented because it reflects poorly on those who don't want the 
>>> signs. If others disagree, but I feel it is pest to err to the side 
>>> of caution.
>>>
>>> The social connection you mention is great. If added safety, no 
>>> matter how little it may be, from the sign helps some parents feel 
>>> slightly more comfortable letting kids have a little more freedom to 
>>> play or otherwise go about their business, that does indeed increase 
>>> the chance for these very important connections.
>>>
>>> I will add one thing more as well. After giving this a lot of 
>>> thought, I think such signs do one thing more. After more than 10 
>>> years of observing and watching reactions to the "what are you doing 
>>> letting your blind child go and do dangerous things like that" 
>>> mentality-- crazy things like riding a bike, jumping into a pool 
>>> without a sighted helper holding onto her, playing in and around 
>>> trampolines, running across the yard, going to gymnastics classes or 
>>> yoga classes... maybe some of us like the idea of telling others 
>>> that our kids may be out there and we know it, and they have every 
>>> right to be there, yet we'd appreciate it if they'd be just a little 
>>> bit extra careful in case their behavior or reaction to a passing 
>>> car is a little different. I'm not inviting a great debate on this 
>>> matter, and the last part (this paragraph) is just a thought that 
>>> recently occurred to me, but I think maybe there is a touch of truth 
>>> in that for some of us as well.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the discussion.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Steve Jacobson wrote:
>>>
>>> > Richard,
>>> >
>>> > While you and I seem to disagree on this, I would truly like to 
>>> > understand your position better.  Are you really saying that the 
>>> > two-year-old sighted kids that are racing with her child are 
>>> > totally responsible and in need of no protection?  If there is no 
>>> > separation between the street and where these kids are playing, I 
>>> > do not see how a blind child is going to be at a greater risk, 
>>> > there is some risk for all of them and a warning that there are 
>>> > children at play is probably
>>> appropriate.  Connecting her ability to get a sign with the child's 
>>> opportunity to play with other kids completely baffles me.  .  The 
>>> solution isn't in the sign, it is in making the social connections, 
>>> and I, too, am glad to see that Susan's child, certainly with her 
>>> help, made those connections, but I truly do not see that a sign is 
>>> necessary to make that possible.  Have I misunderstood your note?
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> >
>>> > Steve Jacobson
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:09:07 -0500, Richard Holloway wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Susan,
>>> >
>>> >> I don't see anything wrong with requesting such a sign for your 
>>> >> child at that age, or at any age where you, the parent, feel it
>>> > is appropriate.
>>> >
>>> >> You did a good thing. More parents should find solutions to get 
>>> >> their kids, be they sighted or blind, out and playing in
>>> > situations like that!
>>> >
>>> >> (How I wish they'd had jeeps like that when I was a kid!!!)
>>> >
>>> >> Richard
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On Feb 25, 2013, at 8:39 PM, SUSAN POLANSKY wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>> We moved on to a dead end court when our son was 2. We asked our 
>>> >>> town for a sign at the entrance to the street. I feel it was
>>> > totally appropriate to have a sign when our little one was out 
>>> > playing with the other kids and basically drag racing the other 
>>> > little ones in his toddler jeep. Would we not have asked for a 
>>> > sign if he had been older. Each parent needs to look at their 
>>> > child and their neighborhood
>>> and
>>> make their own decision. I think this subject has been beaten to death.
>>> No
>>> more "to sign or not to sign"  emails for me, any more will be 
>>> deleted without opening.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Susan T. Polansky
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ________________________________
>>> >>> From: Bernadette Jacobs <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
>>> >>> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)"
>>> >>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:11 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] To Sign or not To Sign
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I am a very strong opponent of blind, deaf, Autism, or any other 
>>> >>> signage.  None of us needs to be put on that kind of display!  
>>> >>> Only thing this says to me is, "Walking Target!" Target!" Walking
Target.
>>> >>> When I had my hysterectomy at an inner city hospital here, when 
>>> >>> I came out of surgery and into my room, my husband mentioned to 
>>> >>> me that there was a sign on my door, "Blind Patient!"  If I 
>>> >>> wasn't sick enough from just having had surgery, I sure was 
>>> >>> sickened then.  So, my husband tore down the first sign.  Bright 
>>> >>> and early next morning when he came in vack in to visit me, 
>>> >>> another signed had replaced the first one.  He went out to find 
>>> >>> that nurse.  Before long, suddenly I heard the nurse arguing 
>>> >>> with my husband.  I forced myself up out of bed, grabbed my cane 
>>> >>> and began walking down the hall, holding onto the rails for dear 
>>> >>> life and simply excused myself quietly and then proceeded to 
>>> >>> waste no bones about how that woman oughtta do something real 
>>> >>> quick.  After all, who was her bread and butta???  I had 
>>> >>> insurance.  I didn't feel guilty in the least.  She turned on me 
>>> >>> and I simply went back to my room; called my doctor at his home; 
>>> >>> and Hmmm!  For some strange reason I never heard from or saw 
>>> >>> that woman again and the sign soon disappeared.  Then when 
>>> >>> someone called weeks after I had been released from the hospital 
>>> >>> to ask me about how I felt about my hospital experience, I 
>>> >>> really laid it on thick that to post blind signs, or any other 
>>> >>> Special Needs' sign, would only serve to identify those 
>>> >>> individuals as vulnerable walking targets and no matter what the 
>>> >>> intent, it was truly a bad idea.  After all, Seems I actually
remember Dr. Jernigan saying once, that "The road to Hell is paved with good
intentions."  I'm sure I need not say more.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Bernie
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 2/22/13, Carly B <barnesraiser at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> Hi Merry-Noel,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I've thought about this, too. There are a couple of signs on 
>>> >>>> streets near our own. We have not pursued trying to get a sign 
>>> >>>> for our neighborhood. I haven't really thought that through, I 
>>> >>>> think it's just a gut feeling that I don't want to put more of 
>>> >>>> a spotlight
>>> on
>>> my child than there already is.
>>> >>>> Know what I mean? I'm not really sure the benefits of having a 
>>> >>>> sign...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks for bringing it up. I look forward to hearing what 
>>> >>>> others
>>> think!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> :) Carolynn
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Merry-Noel Chamberlain
>>> >>>> <owinm at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>   Hi,
>>> >>>>> My daughter, Ashleah, is working on a girl scout project and 
>>> >>>>> would like to know your thoughts about the "Special Needs" 
>>> >>>>> sign.  She is blind and walks to and from school 
>>> >>>>> independently.  Do you think having a Special Needs sign by 
>>> >>>>> our house is a good thing?  Why or why not?
>>> >>>>> Thanks.
>>> >>>>> Merry-Noel
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