[blindkid] blindkid Digest, Vol 121, Issue 26

Carolyn Cain via blindkid blindkid at nfbnet.org
Thu May 29 22:25:58 UTC 2014


Parents have to walk a fine line between advocating for their child and
burning their bridges. Anytime a parent demands and brings or threatens to
bring legal action without going through the normal chains of commands that
school districts should have set up for students receiving special
education services, the parents set themselves and their children up for
possible future problems.

Many districts and states are struggling to provide enough highly qualified
staff to provide services to students who have visual impairments. Many
teacher of the visually impaired have master's degrees and the pay they
receive is not adequate plus mileage reimbursement doesn't pay for wear and
tear on their personal vehicles. There is really no incentive to go into
this low incident teaching field.

Totally blind students with no vision are always a priority because braille
is their only choice for accessing material. Print readers who have a TVI
who can provide adequate braille instruction is a luxury.

The topic of how much time to serve students was mentioned. Many TVI's use
the Michigan Severity Rating Scale to decide service levels (amount of time
per week) but it can be somewhat subjective.

The best thing a parent can do for their child is to begin to be part of
the teaching, especially when braille is involved. Braille instruction at
school alone is not enough. The family must also be committed. Some of the
best TVI's are parents with children who are visually impaired who have
decided to go back to school and be a TVI. They are committed to their
child despite the low pay and student loans that seem to linger forever.


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>    1. Exposed to Hope Book (Robert Jaquiss via blindkid)
>    2. Re: Exposed to Hope Book (Carol Castellano via blindkid)
>    3. Braille instruction time in IEP (Pui via blindkid)
>    4. Re: Braille instruction time in IEP (Sarah Thomas via blindkid)
>    5. Re: Braille instruction time in IEP (Julie Yanez via blindkid)
>    6. Re: Braille instruction time in IEP
>       (m-masek at hotmail.comviablindkid)
>    7. Re: Braille instruction time in IEP
>       (Deborah Kent Stein via blindkid)
>    8. Re: Braille instruction time in IEP (Pui via blindkid)
>    9. Re: Braille instruction time in IEP
>       (Marianne Denning via blindkid)
>   10. Re: Braille instruction time in IEP (oandemom . via blindkid)
>   11. Re: Braille instruction time in IEP (Pui via blindkid)
>   12. Re: Braille instruction time in IEP
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 06:39:01 -0700
> From: Robert Jaquiss via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: <Blindhomeschooler at yahoogroups.com>, "'Blind Kid Mailing List,
>         \(for parents of blind children\)'" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>,
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> Subject: [blindkid] Exposed to Hope Book
> Message-ID: <000301cf7a7a$30426490$90c72db0$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello:
>
>
>
>      I just read that Bethel China, a Christian based organization
> dedicated
> to caring for blind orphans in China has a book; Exposed to Hope. It tells
> the stories of thirteen families who have adopted blind children from
> China.
> The link to the book is:
>
>
> http://www.bethelchina.org/exposed-to-hope-stories-from-families-who-have-ad
> opted-a-child-with-a-visual-impairment/
>
>
>
> Hope this is of use.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 12:59:30 -0400
> From: Carol Castellano via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>, "Blind Kid Mailing List,
>         \(for parents of blind children\)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Exposed to Hope Book
> Message-ID: <153352.87970.bm at smtp116.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
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> Looks interesting.  Thanks, Robert.
> Carol
>
> At 09:39 AM 5/28/2014, you wrote:
> >Hello:
> >
> >
> >
> >      I just read that Bethel China, a Christian based organization
> dedicated
> >to caring for blind orphans in China has a book; Exposed to Hope. It tells
> >the stories of thirteen families who have adopted blind children from
> China.
> >The link to the book is:
> >
> >
> http://www.bethelchina.org/exposed-to-hope-stories-from-families-who-have-ad
> >opted-a-child-with-a-visual-impairment/
> >
> >
> >
> >Hope this is of use.
> >
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >Robert
> >
> >
> >
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> Carol Castellano
> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
> Director of Programs
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> 973-377-0976
> carol_castellano at verizon.net
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> www.nfb.org/parents-and-teachers
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 13:13:47 -0700
> From: Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: "blindkid at nfbnet.org" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
> Message-ID: <F1282285-D7AD-41CC-8008-DB34CCCE228D at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I wrote a few weeks ago about my son's case. He is legally blind and a
> dual learner. We had his IEP a few weeks ago and the district wanted to
> reduce his monthly TVI time from 300 minutes weekly to 90 minutes (30
> minutes a day, 3 times weekly) as he starts kindergarten this fall.
>
> For the past week and a half I have been emailing the district to say that
> I did not agree with this reduction. I also sent them the braille provision
> act under IDEA, as well as studies about learning dual media, low vision
> kids who couldn't keep up with print later on etc. I have heard nothing
> from them.
>
> Today I spoke to a special education lawyer. I explained my case and he
> said that my son is in a good legal situation that did not require his
> legal services. The laws in CA are in our favor. It is very difficult for
> the district to reduce those 300 minutes once they have agreed to them.
> They would have to file legal action and go into due process to take those
> minutes away from him. CA laws allow us parents to pick components of the
> IEP we want, and don't want.
>
> All I have to do is go to the district and register a letter that I am
> sending them in reply to their kindergarten IEP. The lawyer said that
> basically I just tell them "thanks" for the offer but 1) we don't consent
> to the reduction of VI services and 2) we consent to the new kindergarten
> goals (and other details we agree on). The district lady was telling me
> that if I did not sign the IEP his service minutes would stay the same, but
> we wouldn't be able to move forward on the goals. This is obviously not
> true according to the lawyer.
>
> Anyway, there you have it. I am obviously pleased to know my son will
> continue to get daily braille instruction. I am glad that his initial IEP
> was written well enough that the district have less wiggle room for his
> second IEP. I am glad that we asked for and got 1) daily TVI time (no VI or
> blind student gets daily TVI time in our district, it is such an outdated
> model of itinerant teaching) 2) half of that time as well as his O&M and OT
> are done outside of his school hours 3) assistive technology provided for
> school and home 4) braille books, tack tiles etc. were added to the IEP 4)
> summer school with service as above 5) consult time with parents and
> general education teachers. Our school district is relatively wealthy, so
> there are funds.
>
> Parents - make sure that first IEP is ironclad and don't be afraid to ask.
> Research on your own, and don't always assume the "professionals" know best.
>
> Thanks everyone for your input, they were all very helpful and encouraging!
>
> Pui Burmahln
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 05:49:17 +0800
> From: Sarah Thomas via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: Pui <pburmahln at yahoo.com>, NFBnet Blind <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
> Message-ID: <FC0F31DF-A4BF-4032-B144-1AB72101F88D at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> This sounds like very good news.  I will say, from personal experience,
> that you will need to monitor the delivery of services.  I naively thought
> that the school would actually follow the IEP we agreed to.  In very rare
> cases this proved not to be the case.  They just did what they wanted to do
> while I wasn't watching.
>
> Even when the law and common sense are on your side, you need to keep
> watching.  Also, your continued involvement helps keep the school diligent.
>  Good luck.
>
> Sally Thomas
> On May 29, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I wrote a few weeks ago about my son's case. He is legally blind and a
> dual learner. We had his IEP a few weeks ago and the district wanted to
> reduce his monthly TVI time from 300 minutes weekly to 90 minutes (30
> minutes a day, 3 times weekly) as he starts kindergarten this fall.
> >
> > For the past week and a half I have been emailing the district to say
> that I did not agree with this reduction. I also sent them the braille
> provision act under IDEA, as well as studies about learning dual media, low
> vision kids who couldn't keep up with print later on etc. I have heard
> nothing from them.
> >
> > Today I spoke to a special education lawyer. I explained my case and he
> said that my son is in a good legal situation that did not require his
> legal services. The laws in CA are in our favor. It is very difficult for
> the district to reduce those 300 minutes once they have agreed to them.
> They would have to file legal action and go into due process to take those
> minutes away from him. CA laws allow us parents to pick components of the
> IEP we want, and don't want.
> >
> > All I have to do is go to the district and register a letter that I am
> sending them in reply to their kindergarten IEP. The lawyer said that
> basically I just tell them "thanks" for the offer but 1) we don't consent
> to the reduction of VI services and 2) we consent to the new kindergarten
> goals (and other details we agree on). The district lady was telling me
> that if I did not sign the IEP his service minutes would stay the same, but
> we wouldn't be able to move forward on the goals. This is obviously not
> true according to the lawyer.
> >
> > Anyway, there you have it. I am obviously pleased to know my son will
> continue to get daily braille instruction. I am glad that his initial IEP
> was written well enough that the district have less wiggle room for his
> second IEP. I am glad that we asked for and got 1) daily TVI time (no VI or
> blind student gets daily TVI time in our district, it is such an outdated
> model of itinerant teaching) 2) half of that time as well as his O&M and OT
> are done outside of his school hours 3) assistive technology provided for
> school and home 4) braille books, tack tiles etc. were added to the IEP 4)
> summer school with service as above 5) consult time with parents and
> general education teachers. Our school district is relatively wealthy, so
> there are funds.
> >
> > Parents - make sure that first IEP is ironclad and don't be afraid to
> ask. Research on your own, and don't always assume the "professionals" know
> best.
> >
> > Thanks everyone for your input, they were all very helpful and
> encouraging!
> >
> > Pui Burmahln
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:00:26 -0700
> From: Julie Yanez via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,    (for parents of blind children)"
>         <blindkid at nfbnet.org>,  Sarah Thomas <seacknit at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
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>
> Great job! A parent is always the best advocate! CA seems to have amazing
> educational laws, but as we are starting to find out, not much funding for
> the supplies.
> On May 28, 2014 2:49 PM, "Sarah Thomas via blindkid" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > This sounds like very good news.  I will say, from personal experience,
> > that you will need to monitor the delivery of services.  I naively
> thought
> > that the school would actually follow the IEP we agreed to.  In very rare
> > cases this proved not to be the case.  They just did what they wanted to
> do
> > while I wasn't watching.
> >
> > Even when the law and common sense are on your side, you need to keep
> > watching.  Also, your continued involvement helps keep the school
> diligent.
> >  Good luck.
> >
> > Sally Thomas
> > On May 29, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello everybody,
> > >
> > > I wrote a few weeks ago about my son's case. He is legally blind and a
> > dual learner. We had his IEP a few weeks ago and the district wanted to
> > reduce his monthly TVI time from 300 minutes weekly to 90 minutes (30
> > minutes a day, 3 times weekly) as he starts kindergarten this fall.
> > >
> > > For the past week and a half I have been emailing the district to say
> > that I did not agree with this reduction. I also sent them the braille
> > provision act under IDEA, as well as studies about learning dual media,
> low
> > vision kids who couldn't keep up with print later on etc. I have heard
> > nothing from them.
> > >
> > > Today I spoke to a special education lawyer. I explained my case and he
> > said that my son is in a good legal situation that did not require his
> > legal services. The laws in CA are in our favor. It is very difficult for
> > the district to reduce those 300 minutes once they have agreed to them.
> > They would have to file legal action and go into due process to take
> those
> > minutes away from him. CA laws allow us parents to pick components of the
> > IEP we want, and don't want.
> > >
> > > All I have to do is go to the district and register a letter that I am
> > sending them in reply to their kindergarten IEP. The lawyer said that
> > basically I just tell them "thanks" for the offer but 1) we don't consent
> > to the reduction of VI services and 2) we consent to the new kindergarten
> > goals (and other details we agree on). The district lady was telling me
> > that if I did not sign the IEP his service minutes would stay the same,
> but
> > we wouldn't be able to move forward on the goals. This is obviously not
> > true according to the lawyer.
> > >
> > > Anyway, there you have it. I am obviously pleased to know my son will
> > continue to get daily braille instruction. I am glad that his initial IEP
> > was written well enough that the district have less wiggle room for his
> > second IEP. I am glad that we asked for and got 1) daily TVI time (no VI
> or
> > blind student gets daily TVI time in our district, it is such an outdated
> > model of itinerant teaching) 2) half of that time as well as his O&M and
> OT
> > are done outside of his school hours 3) assistive technology provided for
> > school and home 4) braille books, tack tiles etc. were added to the IEP
> 4)
> > summer school with service as above 5) consult time with parents and
> > general education teachers. Our school district is relatively wealthy, so
> > there are funds.
> > >
> > > Parents - make sure that first IEP is ironclad and don't be afraid to
> > ask. Research on your own, and don't always assume the "professionals"
> know
> > best.
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone for your input, they were all very helpful and
> > encouraging!
> > >
> > > Pui Burmahln
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > > _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 17:02:46 -0500
> From: m-masek at hotmail.com via blindkid  <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: "=?utf-8?B?U2FyYWggVGhvbWFzIHZpYSBibGluZGtpZA==?="
>         <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
> Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP2239E414135DAC185BC1437FE250 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Does anyone know where to find the times for vi for children in IL
>
> From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Sarah Thomas via blindkid" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Pui" <pburmahln at yahoo.com>, "NFBnet Blind" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
> Date: Wed, May 28, 2014 4:49 pm
>
>
> This sounds like very good news.  I will say, from personal experience,
> that you will need to monitor the delivery of services.  I naively thought
> that the school would actually follow the IEP we agreed to.  In very rare
> cases this proved not to be the case.  They just did what they wanted to do
> while I wasn't watching.
>
> Even when the law and common sense are on your side, you need to keep
> watching.  Also, your continued involvement helps keep the school diligent.
>  Good luck.
>
> Sally Thomas
> On May 29, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I wrote a few weeks ago about my son's case. He is legally blind and a
> dual learner. We had his IEP a few weeks ago and the district wanted to
> reduce his monthly TVI time from 300 minutes weekly to 90 minutes (30
> minutes a day, 3 times weekly) as he starts kindergarten this fall.
> >
> > For the past week and a half I have been emailing the district to say
> that I did not agree with this reduction. I also sent them the braille
> provision act under IDEA, as well as studies about learning dual media, low
> vision kids who couldn't keep up with print later on etc. I have heard
> nothing from them.
> >
> > Today I spoke to a special education lawyer. I explained my case and he
> said that my son is in a good legal situation that did not require his
> legal services. The laws in CA are in our favor. It is very difficult for
> the district to reduce those 300 minutes once they have agreed to them.
> They would have to file legal action and go into due process to take those
> minutes away from him. CA laws allow us parents to pick components of the
> IEP we want, and don't want.
> >
> > All I have to do is go to the district and register a letter that I am
> sending them in reply to their kindergarten IEP. The lawyer said that
> basically I just tell them "thanks" for the offer but 1) we don't consent
> to the reduction of VI services and 2) we consent to the new kindergarten
> goals (and other details we agree on). The district lady was telling me
> that if I did not sign the IEP his service minutes would stay the same, but
> we wouldn't be able to move forward on the goals. This is obviously not
> true according to the lawyer.
> >
> > Anyway, there you have it. I am obviously pleased to know my son will
> continue to get daily braille instruction. I am glad that his initial IEP
> was written well enough that the district have less wiggle room for his
> second IEP. I am glad that we asked for and got 1) daily TVI time (no VI or
> blind student gets daily TVI time in our district, it is such an outdated
> model of itinerant teaching) 2) half of that time as well as his O&M and OT
> are done outside of his school hours 3) assistive technology provided for
> school and home 4) braille books, tack tiles etc. were added to the IEP 4)
> summer school with service as above 5) consult time with parents and
> general education teachers. Our school district is relatively wealthy, so
> there are funds.
> >
> > Parents - make sure that first IEP is ironclad and don't be afraid to
> ask. Research on your own, and don't always assume the "professionals" know
> best.
> >
> > Thanks everyone for your input, they were all very helpful and
> encouraging!
> >
> > Pui Burmahln
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > _______________________________________________
> > blindkid mailing list
> > blindkid at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> blindkid:
> >
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>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 15:17:13 -0700
> From: Deborah Kent Stein via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: <m-masek at hotmail.com>, "Blind Kid Mailing List,     \(for parents of
>         blind children\)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
> Message-ID: <5B9A12BAAD964F25A487A4C8C36BBD88 at debkentHP>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>         reply-type=original
>
>
>
> As far as I know, there is no rule in Illinois stating how much time a
> visually impaired student should have in service from a TVI.  It is worked
> out on a case by case basis, depending on the student's needs.  The IEP
> team
> (including parents and advocates, if they have been brought in) establishes
> what the student's needs are and then determines how much TVI time will be
> required to meet those needs.  Usually a beginning Braille reader needs
> more
> TVI minutes per week than a student who has mastered Braille and other
> skills.  It sometimes helps to remind the school that if the student gets
> good instruction at the beginning, he/she will need less time with the TVI
> in the years ahead.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: m-masek at hotmail.comvia blindkid
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:02 PM
> To: Sarah Thomas via blindkid
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
>
> Does anyone know where to find the times for vi for children in IL
>
> >From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Sarah Thomas via blindkid" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Pui" <pburmahln at yahoo.com>, "NFBnet Blind" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
> Date: Wed, May 28, 2014 4:49 pm
>
>
> This sounds like very good news.  I will say, from personal experience,
> that
> you will need to monitor the delivery of services.  I naively thought that
> the school would actually follow the IEP we agreed to.  In very rare cases
> this proved not to be the case.  They just did what they wanted to do while
> I wasn't watching.
>
> Even when the law and common sense are on your side, you need to keep
> watching.  Also, your continued involvement helps keep the school diligent.
> Good luck.
>
> Sally Thomas
> On May 29, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I wrote a few weeks ago about my son's case. He is legally blind and a
> > dual learner. We had his IEP a few weeks ago and the district wanted to
> > reduce his monthly TVI time from 300 minutes weekly to 90 minutes (30
> > minutes a day, 3 times weekly) as he starts kindergarten this fall.
> >
> > For the past week and a half I have been emailing the district to say
> that
> > I did not agree with this reduction. I also sent them the braille
> > provision act under IDEA, as well as studies about learning dual media,
> > low vision kids who couldn't keep up with print later on etc. I have
> heard
> > nothing from them.
> >
> > Today I spoke to a special education lawyer. I explained my case and he
> > said that my son is in a good legal situation that did not require his
> > legal services. The laws in CA are in our favor. It is very difficult for
> > the district to reduce those 300 minutes once they have agreed to them.
> > They would have to file legal action and go into due process to take
> those
> > minutes away from him. CA laws allow us parents to pick components of the
> > IEP we want, and don't want.
> >
> > All I have to do is go to the district and register a letter that I am
> > sending them in reply to their kindergarten IEP. The lawyer said that
> > basically I just tell them "thanks" for the offer but 1) we don't consent
> > to the reduction of VI services and 2) we consent to the new kindergarten
> > goals (and other details we agree on). The district lady was telling me
> > that if I did not sign the IEP his service minutes would stay the same,
> > but we wouldn't be able to move forward on the goals. This is obviously
> > not true according to the lawyer.
> >
> > Anyway, there you have it. I am obviously pleased to know my son will
> > continue to get daily braille instruction. I am glad that his initial IEP
> > was written well enough that the district have less wiggle room for his
> > second IEP. I am glad that we asked for and got 1) daily TVI time (no VI
> > or blind student gets daily TVI time in our district, it is such an
> > outdated model of itinerant teaching) 2) half of that time as well as his
> > O&M and OT are done outside of his school hours 3) assistive technology
> > provided for school and home 4) braille books, tack tiles etc. were added
> > to the IEP 4) summer school with service as above 5) consult time with
> > parents and general education teachers. Our school district is relatively
> > wealthy, so there are funds.
> >
> > Parents - make sure that first IEP is ironclad and don't be afraid to
> ask.
> > Research on your own, and don't always assume the "professionals" know
> > best.
> >
> > Thanks everyone for your input, they were all very helpful and
> > encouraging!
> >
> > Pui Burmahln
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 16:34:44 -0700
> From: Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: Julie Yanez <jyanez112 at gmail.com>, "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for
>         parents of blind children)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
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> Julie,
>
> What are you trying to get funding for? My son has all his needs met (so
> far). They should have access to quota funds and the low incidence fund.
> Also, I know the Braille Institute will loan on a case by case basis. We
> did purchase the Smart Brailler ourselves though. We asked for a
> Mountbatten but got the run around, so we pick and choose our battles. I
> was successful in having the district get the CA school for the Blind to do
> a technology assessment. They concluded that technology would be a big part
> of his future reading and writing. That report I will bring up again when
> it is time to ask for a BrailleNote etc.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 28, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Julie Yanez via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Great job! A parent is always the best advocate! CA seems to have amazing
> > educational laws, but as we are starting to find out, not much funding
> for
> > the supplies.
> > On May 28, 2014 2:49 PM, "Sarah Thomas via blindkid" <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This sounds like very good news.  I will say, from personal experience,
> >> that you will need to monitor the delivery of services.  I naively
> thought
> >> that the school would actually follow the IEP we agreed to.  In very
> rare
> >> cases this proved not to be the case.  They just did what they wanted
> to do
> >> while I wasn't watching.
> >>
> >> Even when the law and common sense are on your side, you need to keep
> >> watching.  Also, your continued involvement helps keep the school
> diligent.
> >> Good luck.
> >>
> >> Sally Thomas
> >> On May 29, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello everybody,
> >>>
> >>> I wrote a few weeks ago about my son's case. He is legally blind and a
> >> dual learner. We had his IEP a few weeks ago and the district wanted to
> >> reduce his monthly TVI time from 300 minutes weekly to 90 minutes (30
> >> minutes a day, 3 times weekly) as he starts kindergarten this fall.
> >>>
> >>> For the past week and a half I have been emailing the district to say
> >> that I did not agree with this reduction. I also sent them the braille
> >> provision act under IDEA, as well as studies about learning dual media,
> low
> >> vision kids who couldn't keep up with print later on etc. I have heard
> >> nothing from them.
> >>>
> >>> Today I spoke to a special education lawyer. I explained my case and he
> >> said that my son is in a good legal situation that did not require his
> >> legal services. The laws in CA are in our favor. It is very difficult
> for
> >> the district to reduce those 300 minutes once they have agreed to them.
> >> They would have to file legal action and go into due process to take
> those
> >> minutes away from him. CA laws allow us parents to pick components of
> the
> >> IEP we want, and don't want.
> >>>
> >>> All I have to do is go to the district and register a letter that I am
> >> sending them in reply to their kindergarten IEP. The lawyer said that
> >> basically I just tell them "thanks" for the offer but 1) we don't
> consent
> >> to the reduction of VI services and 2) we consent to the new
> kindergarten
> >> goals (and other details we agree on). The district lady was telling me
> >> that if I did not sign the IEP his service minutes would stay the same,
> but
> >> we wouldn't be able to move forward on the goals. This is obviously not
> >> true according to the lawyer.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, there you have it. I am obviously pleased to know my son will
> >> continue to get daily braille instruction. I am glad that his initial
> IEP
> >> was written well enough that the district have less wiggle room for his
> >> second IEP. I am glad that we asked for and got 1) daily TVI time (no
> VI or
> >> blind student gets daily TVI time in our district, it is such an
> outdated
> >> model of itinerant teaching) 2) half of that time as well as his O&M
> and OT
> >> are done outside of his school hours 3) assistive technology provided
> for
> >> school and home 4) braille books, tack tiles etc. were added to the IEP
> 4)
> >> summer school with service as above 5) consult time with parents and
> >> general education teachers. Our school district is relatively wealthy,
> so
> >> there are funds.
> >>>
> >>> Parents - make sure that first IEP is ironclad and don't be afraid to
> >> ask. Research on your own, and don't always assume the "professionals"
> know
> >> best.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks everyone for your input, they were all very helpful and
> >> encouraging!
> >>>
> >>> Pui Burmahln
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 20:45:41 -0400
> From: Marianne Denning via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: Pui <pburmahln at yahoo.com>, "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents
>         of blind children)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
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> I would say that a braillenote, or other braille display, is needed
> from the beginning.  I teach through virtual instruction and I connect
> with students via Skype and JAWS Tandem.  The student has a braille
> display and so do I.  When I work with a duel reader I have the
> student learn braille contractions and look at the computer screen so
> she learns the connection between braille and print.  If the student
> is a braille reader only, I teach JAWS and Windows commands so she can
> also understand the connection between braille and print.  The student
> will interact with the computer key board and the keys on the braille
> display during the lesson.  And yes, I also teach the student to use
> the Perkins Brailler.  All students need many different tools to
> complete assignments.  I also teach the student to decide when to use
> each tool.  Since I am blind I use all of the tools I teach so I can
> be successful in my career. The TVI who is teaching at the school can
> use the same techniques I use.  Many of them may not have the
> knowledge of JAWS and braille displays to do this but they should
> learn these skills.  Employment in the future will be based on
> technology and our students who have the skills will be more
> successful.  These skills should be taught beginning in Kindergarten
> and continue throughout the student's education.
>
> Please encourage your child's TVI to learn these skills so your child
> learns the braille and technology skills to succeed.  Technology does
> not replace braille.  It makes braille more important than it has ever
> been.  Braille Readers are Leaders!!!
>
> On 5/28/14, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Julie,
> >
> > What are you trying to get funding for? My son has all his needs met (so
> > far). They should have access to quota funds and the low incidence fund.
> > Also, I know the Braille Institute will loan on a case by case basis. We
> did
> > purchase the Smart Brailler ourselves though. We asked for a Mountbatten
> but
> > got the run around, so we pick and choose our battles. I was successful
> in
> > having the district get the CA school for the Blind to do a technology
> > assessment. They concluded that technology would be a big part of his
> future
> > reading and writing. That report I will bring up again when it is time to
> > ask for a BrailleNote etc.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On May 28, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Julie Yanez via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Great job! A parent is always the best advocate! CA seems to have
> amazing
> >> educational laws, but as we are starting to find out, not much funding
> >> for
> >> the supplies.
> >> On May 28, 2014 2:49 PM, "Sarah Thomas via blindkid"
> >> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This sounds like very good news.  I will say, from personal experience,
> >>> that you will need to monitor the delivery of services.  I naively
> >>> thought
> >>> that the school would actually follow the IEP we agreed to.  In very
> >>> rare
> >>> cases this proved not to be the case.  They just did what they wanted
> to
> >>> do
> >>> while I wasn't watching.
> >>>
> >>> Even when the law and common sense are on your side, you need to keep
> >>> watching.  Also, your continued involvement helps keep the school
> >>> diligent.
> >>> Good luck.
> >>>
> >>> Sally Thomas
> >>> On May 29, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello everybody,
> >>>>
> >>>> I wrote a few weeks ago about my son's case. He is legally blind and a
> >>> dual learner. We had his IEP a few weeks ago and the district wanted to
> >>> reduce his monthly TVI time from 300 minutes weekly to 90 minutes (30
> >>> minutes a day, 3 times weekly) as he starts kindergarten this fall.
> >>>>
> >>>> For the past week and a half I have been emailing the district to say
> >>> that I did not agree with this reduction. I also sent them the braille
> >>> provision act under IDEA, as well as studies about learning dual media,
> >>> low
> >>> vision kids who couldn't keep up with print later on etc. I have heard
> >>> nothing from them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Today I spoke to a special education lawyer. I explained my case and
> he
> >>> said that my son is in a good legal situation that did not require his
> >>> legal services. The laws in CA are in our favor. It is very difficult
> >>> for
> >>> the district to reduce those 300 minutes once they have agreed to them.
> >>> They would have to file legal action and go into due process to take
> >>> those
> >>> minutes away from him. CA laws allow us parents to pick components of
> >>> the
> >>> IEP we want, and don't want.
> >>>>
> >>>> All I have to do is go to the district and register a letter that I am
> >>> sending them in reply to their kindergarten IEP. The lawyer said that
> >>> basically I just tell them "thanks" for the offer but 1) we don't
> >>> consent
> >>> to the reduction of VI services and 2) we consent to the new
> >>> kindergarten
> >>> goals (and other details we agree on). The district lady was telling me
> >>> that if I did not sign the IEP his service minutes would stay the same,
> >>> but
> >>> we wouldn't be able to move forward on the goals. This is obviously not
> >>> true according to the lawyer.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, there you have it. I am obviously pleased to know my son will
> >>> continue to get daily braille instruction. I am glad that his initial
> >>> IEP
> >>> was written well enough that the district have less wiggle room for his
> >>> second IEP. I am glad that we asked for and got 1) daily TVI time (no
> VI
> >>> or
> >>> blind student gets daily TVI time in our district, it is such an
> >>> outdated
> >>> model of itinerant teaching) 2) half of that time as well as his O&M
> and
> >>> OT
> >>> are done outside of his school hours 3) assistive technology provided
> >>> for
> >>> school and home 4) braille books, tack tiles etc. were added to the IEP
> >>> 4)
> >>> summer school with service as above 5) consult time with parents and
> >>> general education teachers. Our school district is relatively wealthy,
> >>> so
> >>> there are funds.
> >>>>
> >>>> Parents - make sure that first IEP is ironclad and don't be afraid to
> >>> ask. Research on your own, and don't always assume the "professionals"
> >>> know
> >>> best.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks everyone for your input, they were all very helpful and
> >>> encouraging!
> >>>>
> >>>> Pui Burmahln
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> blindkid mailing list
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> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> (513) 607-6053
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 21:33:02 -0400
> From: "oandemom . via blindkid" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: Marianne Denning <marianne at denningweb.com>, "Blind Kid Mailing
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> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
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> Congrats!  Sounds good.  I also second making sure that he actually gets
> his time.  We had a TVI who would give my kids about 10 min and then send
> them back to class.  Was so frustrating!!
>
> good luck!
> Traci
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Marianne Denning via blindkid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > I would say that a braillenote, or other braille display, is needed
> > from the beginning.  I teach through virtual instruction and I connect
> > with students via Skype and JAWS Tandem.  The student has a braille
> > display and so do I.  When I work with a duel reader I have the
> > student learn braille contractions and look at the computer screen so
> > she learns the connection between braille and print.  If the student
> > is a braille reader only, I teach JAWS and Windows commands so she can
> > also understand the connection between braille and print.  The student
> > will interact with the computer key board and the keys on the braille
> > display during the lesson.  And yes, I also teach the student to use
> > the Perkins Brailler.  All students need many different tools to
> > complete assignments.  I also teach the student to decide when to use
> > each tool.  Since I am blind I use all of the tools I teach so I can
> > be successful in my career. The TVI who is teaching at the school can
> > use the same techniques I use.  Many of them may not have the
> > knowledge of JAWS and braille displays to do this but they should
> > learn these skills.  Employment in the future will be based on
> > technology and our students who have the skills will be more
> > successful.  These skills should be taught beginning in Kindergarten
> > and continue throughout the student's education.
> >
> > Please encourage your child's TVI to learn these skills so your child
> > learns the braille and technology skills to succeed.  Technology does
> > not replace braille.  It makes braille more important than it has ever
> > been.  Braille Readers are Leaders!!!
> >
> > On 5/28/14, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > Julie,
> > >
> > > What are you trying to get funding for? My son has all his needs met
> (so
> > > far). They should have access to quota funds and the low incidence
> fund.
> > > Also, I know the Braille Institute will loan on a case by case basis.
> We
> > did
> > > purchase the Smart Brailler ourselves though. We asked for a
> Mountbatten
> > but
> > > got the run around, so we pick and choose our battles. I was successful
> > in
> > > having the district get the CA school for the Blind to do a technology
> > > assessment. They concluded that technology would be a big part of his
> > future
> > > reading and writing. That report I will bring up again when it is time
> to
> > > ask for a BrailleNote etc.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > On May 28, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Julie Yanez via blindkid <
> > blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Great job! A parent is always the best advocate! CA seems to have
> > amazing
> > >> educational laws, but as we are starting to find out, not much funding
> > >> for
> > >> the supplies.
> > >> On May 28, 2014 2:49 PM, "Sarah Thomas via blindkid"
> > >> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> This sounds like very good news.  I will say, from personal
> experience,
> > >>> that you will need to monitor the delivery of services.  I naively
> > >>> thought
> > >>> that the school would actually follow the IEP we agreed to.  In very
> > >>> rare
> > >>> cases this proved not to be the case.  They just did what they wanted
> > to
> > >>> do
> > >>> while I wasn't watching.
> > >>>
> > >>> Even when the law and common sense are on your side, you need to keep
> > >>> watching.  Also, your continued involvement helps keep the school
> > >>> diligent.
> > >>> Good luck.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sally Thomas
> > >>> On May 29, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hello everybody,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I wrote a few weeks ago about my son's case. He is legally blind
> and a
> > >>> dual learner. We had his IEP a few weeks ago and the district wanted
> to
> > >>> reduce his monthly TVI time from 300 minutes weekly to 90 minutes (30
> > >>> minutes a day, 3 times weekly) as he starts kindergarten this fall.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For the past week and a half I have been emailing the district to
> say
> > >>> that I did not agree with this reduction. I also sent them the
> braille
> > >>> provision act under IDEA, as well as studies about learning dual
> media,
> > >>> low
> > >>> vision kids who couldn't keep up with print later on etc. I have
> heard
> > >>> nothing from them.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Today I spoke to a special education lawyer. I explained my case and
> > he
> > >>> said that my son is in a good legal situation that did not require
> his
> > >>> legal services. The laws in CA are in our favor. It is very difficult
> > >>> for
> > >>> the district to reduce those 300 minutes once they have agreed to
> them.
> > >>> They would have to file legal action and go into due process to take
> > >>> those
> > >>> minutes away from him. CA laws allow us parents to pick components of
> > >>> the
> > >>> IEP we want, and don't want.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> All I have to do is go to the district and register a letter that I
> am
> > >>> sending them in reply to their kindergarten IEP. The lawyer said that
> > >>> basically I just tell them "thanks" for the offer but 1) we don't
> > >>> consent
> > >>> to the reduction of VI services and 2) we consent to the new
> > >>> kindergarten
> > >>> goals (and other details we agree on). The district lady was telling
> me
> > >>> that if I did not sign the IEP his service minutes would stay the
> same,
> > >>> but
> > >>> we wouldn't be able to move forward on the goals. This is obviously
> not
> > >>> true according to the lawyer.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anyway, there you have it. I am obviously pleased to know my son
> will
> > >>> continue to get daily braille instruction. I am glad that his initial
> > >>> IEP
> > >>> was written well enough that the district have less wiggle room for
> his
> > >>> second IEP. I am glad that we asked for and got 1) daily TVI time (no
> > VI
> > >>> or
> > >>> blind student gets daily TVI time in our district, it is such an
> > >>> outdated
> > >>> model of itinerant teaching) 2) half of that time as well as his O&M
> > and
> > >>> OT
> > >>> are done outside of his school hours 3) assistive technology provided
> > >>> for
> > >>> school and home 4) braille books, tack tiles etc. were added to the
> IEP
> > >>> 4)
> > >>> summer school with service as above 5) consult time with parents and
> > >>> general education teachers. Our school district is relatively
> wealthy,
> > >>> so
> > >>> there are funds.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Parents - make sure that first IEP is ironclad and don't be afraid
> to
> > >>> ask. Research on your own, and don't always assume the
> "professionals"
> > >>> know
> > >>> best.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks everyone for your input, they were all very helpful and
> > >>> encouraging!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Pui Burmahln
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPad
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> blindkid mailing list
> > >>>> blindkid at nfbnet.org
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 18:50:12 -0700
> From: Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: "oandemom ." <traci.mwd at gmail.com>, "Blind Kid Mailing List,
>  (for
>         parents of blind children)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
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> I must be the most annoying parent ever because in my son's IEP notes it
> says 30 minutes pull out before school starts, then 30 minutes push in once
> class begins. Honestly, I am hands off and  let the service providers do
> their job once all the details are agreed upon and signed!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 28, 2014, at 6:33 PM, "oandemom . via blindkid" <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Congrats!  Sounds good.  I also second making sure that he actually gets
> > his time.  We had a TVI who would give my kids about 10 min and then send
> > them back to class.  Was so frustrating!!
> >
> > good luck!
> > Traci
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Marianne Denning via blindkid <
> > blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I would say that a braillenote, or other braille display, is needed
> >> from the beginning.  I teach through virtual instruction and I connect
> >> with students via Skype and JAWS Tandem.  The student has a braille
> >> display and so do I.  When I work with a duel reader I have the
> >> student learn braille contractions and look at the computer screen so
> >> she learns the connection between braille and print.  If the student
> >> is a braille reader only, I teach JAWS and Windows commands so she can
> >> also understand the connection between braille and print.  The student
> >> will interact with the computer key board and the keys on the braille
> >> display during the lesson.  And yes, I also teach the student to use
> >> the Perkins Brailler.  All students need many different tools to
> >> complete assignments.  I also teach the student to decide when to use
> >> each tool.  Since I am blind I use all of the tools I teach so I can
> >> be successful in my career. The TVI who is teaching at the school can
> >> use the same techniques I use.  Many of them may not have the
> >> knowledge of JAWS and braille displays to do this but they should
> >> learn these skills.  Employment in the future will be based on
> >> technology and our students who have the skills will be more
> >> successful.  These skills should be taught beginning in Kindergarten
> >> and continue throughout the student's education.
> >>
> >> Please encourage your child's TVI to learn these skills so your child
> >> learns the braille and technology skills to succeed.  Technology does
> >> not replace braille.  It makes braille more important than it has ever
> >> been.  Braille Readers are Leaders!!!
> >>
> >> On 5/28/14, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Julie,
> >>>
> >>> What are you trying to get funding for? My son has all his needs met
> (so
> >>> far). They should have access to quota funds and the low incidence
> fund.
> >>> Also, I know the Braille Institute will loan on a case by case basis.
> We
> >> did
> >>> purchase the Smart Brailler ourselves though. We asked for a
> Mountbatten
> >> but
> >>> got the run around, so we pick and choose our battles. I was successful
> >> in
> >>> having the district get the CA school for the Blind to do a technology
> >>> assessment. They concluded that technology would be a big part of his
> >> future
> >>> reading and writing. That report I will bring up again when it is time
> to
> >>> ask for a BrailleNote etc.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On May 28, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Julie Yanez via blindkid <
> >> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Great job! A parent is always the best advocate! CA seems to have
> >> amazing
> >>>> educational laws, but as we are starting to find out, not much funding
> >>>> for
> >>>> the supplies.
> >>>> On May 28, 2014 2:49 PM, "Sarah Thomas via blindkid"
> >>>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> This sounds like very good news.  I will say, from personal
> experience,
> >>>>> that you will need to monitor the delivery of services.  I naively
> >>>>> thought
> >>>>> that the school would actually follow the IEP we agreed to.  In very
> >>>>> rare
> >>>>> cases this proved not to be the case.  They just did what they wanted
> >> to
> >>>>> do
> >>>>> while I wasn't watching.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Even when the law and common sense are on your side, you need to keep
> >>>>> watching.  Also, your continued involvement helps keep the school
> >>>>> diligent.
> >>>>> Good luck.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sally Thomas
> >>>>> On May 29, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello everybody,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I wrote a few weeks ago about my son's case. He is legally blind
> and a
> >>>>> dual learner. We had his IEP a few weeks ago and the district wanted
> to
> >>>>> reduce his monthly TVI time from 300 minutes weekly to 90 minutes (30
> >>>>> minutes a day, 3 times weekly) as he starts kindergarten this fall.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For the past week and a half I have been emailing the district to
> say
> >>>>> that I did not agree with this reduction. I also sent them the
> braille
> >>>>> provision act under IDEA, as well as studies about learning dual
> media,
> >>>>> low
> >>>>> vision kids who couldn't keep up with print later on etc. I have
> heard
> >>>>> nothing from them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Today I spoke to a special education lawyer. I explained my case and
> >> he
> >>>>> said that my son is in a good legal situation that did not require
> his
> >>>>> legal services. The laws in CA are in our favor. It is very difficult
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> the district to reduce those 300 minutes once they have agreed to
> them.
> >>>>> They would have to file legal action and go into due process to take
> >>>>> those
> >>>>> minutes away from him. CA laws allow us parents to pick components of
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> IEP we want, and don't want.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> All I have to do is go to the district and register a letter that I
> am
> >>>>> sending them in reply to their kindergarten IEP. The lawyer said that
> >>>>> basically I just tell them "thanks" for the offer but 1) we don't
> >>>>> consent
> >>>>> to the reduction of VI services and 2) we consent to the new
> >>>>> kindergarten
> >>>>> goals (and other details we agree on). The district lady was telling
> me
> >>>>> that if I did not sign the IEP his service minutes would stay the
> same,
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> we wouldn't be able to move forward on the goals. This is obviously
> not
> >>>>> true according to the lawyer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyway, there you have it. I am obviously pleased to know my son
> will
> >>>>> continue to get daily braille instruction. I am glad that his initial
> >>>>> IEP
> >>>>> was written well enough that the district have less wiggle room for
> his
> >>>>> second IEP. I am glad that we asked for and got 1) daily TVI time (no
> >> VI
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> blind student gets daily TVI time in our district, it is such an
> >>>>> outdated
> >>>>> model of itinerant teaching) 2) half of that time as well as his O&M
> >> and
> >>>>> OT
> >>>>> are done outside of his school hours 3) assistive technology provided
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> school and home 4) braille books, tack tiles etc. were added to the
> IEP
> >>>>> 4)
> >>>>> summer school with service as above 5) consult time with parents and
> >>>>> general education teachers. Our school district is relatively
> wealthy,
> >>>>> so
> >>>>> there are funds.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Parents - make sure that first IEP is ironclad and don't be afraid
> to
> >>>>> ask. Research on your own, and don't always assume the
> "professionals"
> >>>>> know
> >>>>> best.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks everyone for your input, they were all very helpful and
> >>>>> encouraging!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pui Burmahln
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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> >> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> >> (513) 607-6053
> >>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 21:57:03 -0400
> From: Marianne Denning via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> To: Pui <pburmahln at yahoo.com>, "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents
>         of blind children)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] Braille instruction time in IEP
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> I think that works well if there is trust between you, the school
> district and the TVI.  The problems come in when that trust is broken.
> Itinerant TVIs can, sometimes, have travel issues and this can really
> mess up a schedule.  Some cities and states have more problems than
> others.  I am very happy it is going well for you and thank you for
> sharing your good experience.  We don't say enough good things about
> people sometimes.
>
> On 5/28/14, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > I must be the most annoying parent ever because in my son's IEP notes it
> > says 30 minutes pull out before school starts, then 30 minutes push in
> once
> > class begins. Honestly, I am hands off and  let the service providers do
> > their job once all the details are agreed upon and signed!
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On May 28, 2014, at 6:33 PM, "oandemom . via blindkid" <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Congrats!  Sounds good.  I also second making sure that he actually gets
> >> his time.  We had a TVI who would give my kids about 10 min and then
> send
> >> them back to class.  Was so frustrating!!
> >>
> >> good luck!
> >> Traci
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Marianne Denning via blindkid <
> >> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I would say that a braillenote, or other braille display, is needed
> >>> from the beginning.  I teach through virtual instruction and I connect
> >>> with students via Skype and JAWS Tandem.  The student has a braille
> >>> display and so do I.  When I work with a duel reader I have the
> >>> student learn braille contractions and look at the computer screen so
> >>> she learns the connection between braille and print.  If the student
> >>> is a braille reader only, I teach JAWS and Windows commands so she can
> >>> also understand the connection between braille and print.  The student
> >>> will interact with the computer key board and the keys on the braille
> >>> display during the lesson.  And yes, I also teach the student to use
> >>> the Perkins Brailler.  All students need many different tools to
> >>> complete assignments.  I also teach the student to decide when to use
> >>> each tool.  Since I am blind I use all of the tools I teach so I can
> >>> be successful in my career. The TVI who is teaching at the school can
> >>> use the same techniques I use.  Many of them may not have the
> >>> knowledge of JAWS and braille displays to do this but they should
> >>> learn these skills.  Employment in the future will be based on
> >>> technology and our students who have the skills will be more
> >>> successful.  These skills should be taught beginning in Kindergarten
> >>> and continue throughout the student's education.
> >>>
> >>> Please encourage your child's TVI to learn these skills so your child
> >>> learns the braille and technology skills to succeed.  Technology does
> >>> not replace braille.  It makes braille more important than it has ever
> >>> been.  Braille Readers are Leaders!!!
> >>>
> >>> On 5/28/14, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>> Julie,
> >>>>
> >>>> What are you trying to get funding for? My son has all his needs met
> >>>> (so
> >>>> far). They should have access to quota funds and the low incidence
> >>>> fund.
> >>>> Also, I know the Braille Institute will loan on a case by case basis.
> >>>> We
> >>> did
> >>>> purchase the Smart Brailler ourselves though. We asked for a
> >>>> Mountbatten
> >>> but
> >>>> got the run around, so we pick and choose our battles. I was
> successful
> >>> in
> >>>> having the district get the CA school for the Blind to do a technology
> >>>> assessment. They concluded that technology would be a big part of his
> >>> future
> >>>> reading and writing. That report I will bring up again when it is time
> >>>> to
> >>>> ask for a BrailleNote etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 28, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Julie Yanez via blindkid <
> >>> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Great job! A parent is always the best advocate! CA seems to have
> >>> amazing
> >>>>> educational laws, but as we are starting to find out, not much
> funding
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> the supplies.
> >>>>> On May 28, 2014 2:49 PM, "Sarah Thomas via blindkid"
> >>>>> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> This sounds like very good news.  I will say, from personal
> >>>>>> experience,
> >>>>>> that you will need to monitor the delivery of services.  I naively
> >>>>>> thought
> >>>>>> that the school would actually follow the IEP we agreed to.  In very
> >>>>>> rare
> >>>>>> cases this proved not to be the case.  They just did what they
> wanted
> >>> to
> >>>>>> do
> >>>>>> while I wasn't watching.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Even when the law and common sense are on your side, you need to
> keep
> >>>>>> watching.  Also, your continued involvement helps keep the school
> >>>>>> diligent.
> >>>>>> Good luck.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sally Thomas
> >>>>>> On May 29, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Pui via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello everybody,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I wrote a few weeks ago about my son's case. He is legally blind
> and
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>> dual learner. We had his IEP a few weeks ago and the district wanted
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> reduce his monthly TVI time from 300 minutes weekly to 90 minutes
> (30
> >>>>>> minutes a day, 3 times weekly) as he starts kindergarten this fall.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For the past week and a half I have been emailing the district to
> >>>>>>> say
> >>>>>> that I did not agree with this reduction. I also sent them the
> >>>>>> braille
> >>>>>> provision act under IDEA, as well as studies about learning dual
> >>>>>> media,
> >>>>>> low
> >>>>>> vision kids who couldn't keep up with print later on etc. I have
> >>>>>> heard
> >>>>>> nothing from them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Today I spoke to a special education lawyer. I explained my case
> and
> >>> he
> >>>>>> said that my son is in a good legal situation that did not require
> >>>>>> his
> >>>>>> legal services. The laws in CA are in our favor. It is very
> difficult
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> the district to reduce those 300 minutes once they have agreed to
> >>>>>> them.
> >>>>>> They would have to file legal action and go into due process to take
> >>>>>> those
> >>>>>> minutes away from him. CA laws allow us parents to pick components
> of
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> IEP we want, and don't want.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> All I have to do is go to the district and register a letter that I
> >>>>>>> am
> >>>>>> sending them in reply to their kindergarten IEP. The lawyer said
> that
> >>>>>> basically I just tell them "thanks" for the offer but 1) we don't
> >>>>>> consent
> >>>>>> to the reduction of VI services and 2) we consent to the new
> >>>>>> kindergarten
> >>>>>> goals (and other details we agree on). The district lady was telling
> >>>>>> me
> >>>>>> that if I did not sign the IEP his service minutes would stay the
> >>>>>> same,
> >>>>>> but
> >>>>>> we wouldn't be able to move forward on the goals. This is obviously
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>> true according to the lawyer.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyway, there you have it. I am obviously pleased to know my son
> >>>>>>> will
> >>>>>> continue to get daily braille instruction. I am glad that his
> initial
> >>>>>> IEP
> >>>>>> was written well enough that the district have less wiggle room for
> >>>>>> his
> >>>>>> second IEP. I am glad that we asked for and got 1) daily TVI time
> (no
> >>> VI
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>> blind student gets daily TVI time in our district, it is such an
> >>>>>> outdated
> >>>>>> model of itinerant teaching) 2) half of that time as well as his O&M
> >>> and
> >>>>>> OT
> >>>>>> are done outside of his school hours 3) assistive technology
> provided
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> school and home 4) braille books, tack tiles etc. were added to the
> >>>>>> IEP
> >>>>>> 4)
> >>>>>> summer school with service as above 5) consult time with parents and
> >>>>>> general education teachers. Our school district is relatively
> >>>>>> wealthy,
> >>>>>> so
> >>>>>> there are funds.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Parents - make sure that first IEP is ironclad and don't be afraid
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>> ask. Research on your own, and don't always assume the
> >>>>>> "professionals"
> >>>>>> know
> >>>>>> best.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks everyone for your input, they were all very helpful and
> >>>>>> encouraging!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pui Burmahln
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> blindkid mailing list
> >>>>>>> blindkid at nfbnet.org
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> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
> >>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> >>> (513) 607-6053
> >>>
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> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> (513) 607-6053
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