[blindkid] Subject: Original Sin

[Penny Duffy]

I am thinking this was posted in error as it's not on topic.

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017, 9:05 AM Bob Evans via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello, thank you for your response. I just would like to append
> further assertions. Based on your stark reluctance to tackle any of my
> theological challenges, it is considered an implicit defeatism for
> your camp. Protestants are not more than mere servants to Zionism. And
> as for your Christology devotion, it is considerably undistinguished.
> Your endorsement to the apartheid Zionist state is intrinsically
> inalienable. Thence, our duty is to incessantly engage with you in
> relentless combat missions until your party is perfectly discomfited.
> Your ministry doesn’t base its tenets on nothing but an oblique hope
> of a theoretical scheme of salvation. The assumption that someone
> could have died for your sin is substantially Laputan and
> consequently, it is unlikely to be rectifiable. In Trump’s damnable
> era, your state of dismay has just started. Americanisation is quite
> fragile and its global leadership is about to diminish. Your oval
> office is  rotten to the core. Jews have constantly been dominating
> your denomination since Martin Luther era and even earlier to that
> time. There are many Muslims whom I knew have abandoned Islam to
> Christianity. Nevertheless, I never fathomed the relationship between
> becoming Christian, residing in the States and endorsing Zionists. I
> wish you have got sufficient courage to tackle this challenge in the
> slightest. I urge you to ponder properly on what I proposed. If you
> ever perceived the demand to clarify what might be vague to you,
> kindly, keep me notified. Best wishes, Bob
>
>
>
>
> On 7/21/17, Marty Purvis <wuas at wake-up.org> wrote:
> > Hello Mostafa:
> >
> > Thank you for your email.
> >
> > Our views on religious matters are very far apart.
> > So far, that further discussion would most likely be fruitless.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Larry Wilson
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Contact Page Message <
> > postmaster at wake-up.org> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Mostafa, technically Bob <ebob824 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Original Sin
> >>
> >> Visitor's Message:
> >> Hello. I am Mostafa Almahdy. Bob Evans is just a technical name. I used
> >> to
> >> be called so when I worked at an American call centre here in Cairo. So,
> >> it
> >> is still my name. In the subsequent segment, I’ll present the Christian
> >> narrative of Original Sin in addition to posing crucial queries and
> >> denotative rebuttals. What is Original Sin in Christianity? It is a sin
> >> said to be inherited by all descendants of Adam. When Adam and Eve
> >> sinned,
> >> death entered to the world. Thence, God demanded to be paid to redeem
> >> humanity. He then sacrificed his only begotten son to ransom us. This
> >> account may ostensibly seem to be reasonable. Be that as it may, it
> >> contains major defects. First of which, it portrays the divine with
> >> imperfection. It doesn’t recognise his omnipotence. Why? Because
> >> according
> >> to this theology, he demanded to be paid in order to redeem. At its
> >> inception, I have couple of questions for clergy. First, has Adam been
> >> destined to be eternal in Eden? Second, when he committed his ever first
> >> sin, why hasn’t he been given one chance to repent? Third, when Adam ate
> >> from the tree of knowing good and evil, he became like God according to
> >> Genesis. A question here, has he been punished because he became aware
> of
> >> good and evil? It is assumed that he didn’t know good and evil until he
> >> ate
> >> from the tree of knowing good and evil. So, how could God punish an
> >> innocent? And as for sin inheritance, if a man and a woman committed
> >> adultery, could we possibly hold their child accountable for what they
> >> have
> >> done? This is the precise logic exploited in Christian concept of
> >> Original
> >> Sin. And as for redemption and forfeiture, if God was paid to redeem,
> how
> >> could he still forgive? If I supposedly wounded someone, does he has the
> >> right to retaliate? Yes, he certainly does. And, if he wanted to forgive
> >> me, could he still retaliate? No, he surely couldn’t. It’s either
> >> forgiveness or retaliation, it couldn’t be both. And as for Christ, how
> >> could an innocent bear the guilty’s iniquity? According to traditional
> >> Christian theology, death entered to the world when Adam and Eve sinned.
> >> Therefore, someone had to die for this. He had to be impeccant and, he
> >> had
> >> to die forever. Christians preach that Jesus is the one who paid for
> >> this.
> >> The question is, did he die forever? According to Christian story, he
> >> died
> >> for three days. Well actually, he died for less than that if you think
> of
> >> it a bit. Jesus’s date of Crucifixion and resurrection differs from
> >> gospel
> >> to another. Please, don’t take my word for this. I urge you to just
> check
> >> John nineteen and Mark fifteen. Most Christians today believe that Jesus
> >> died on a Friday afternoon and risen on a fine Easter Sunday morning. As
> >> for Adventists, they do not believe in this. They even have their
> Sabbath
> >> held on Saturday. Christian innovation of Original Sin is remarkably
> >> exposed. I urge southern laity and their associates to genuinely ponder
> >> on
> >> the scenario encountered in Christian theology. If Adam sinned and we
> >> were
> >> contagiously destined to be anathematised eternally, why didn’t Jesus
> die
> >> forever then? I believe that my points are critical and thus, they
> >> deserve
> >> thorough attention. It is a bit odd to just rely on the thought that
> >> someone theoretically died for my sins and then, go do whatever I want.
> >> We
> >> bear witness western Christians who basically don’t care about what they
> >> do. They eat explicitly prohibited cattle, they vastly consume alcoholic
> >> beverages and they carelessly engage in illicit wedlock. Where is your
> >> devotional consignment? Religious life is the last thing a lay western
> >> Christian wants to think of. I respectfully ask you to ponder on your
> >> religious responsibility. As a Muslim, what prevents me from having a
> >> girlfriend? Well, nothing but my religion which holds me fully
> >> accountable
> >> for either righteous or vicious deeds. Why Christian tradition is so
> >> tolerant with the culture of boyfriend and girlfriend illicit
> >> relationships? As you can see, despite the concept’s fraudulently
> >> emotional
> >> prettification, it is besieged with numerously irreconcilable
> >> discrepancies. This is the primary tenet upon which your whole faith is
> >> based, this is indeed the backbone of Christianity. If someone disagrees
> >> with this statement,  well, tell me then, how could the account of
> >> Crucifixion and Redemption be presented without basing it on the
> >> Christian
> >> concept of Original Sin? I seriously attempt to fathom. I do not intend
> >> to
> >> deride or ridicule. I am totally convinced that Christians have absolute
> >> right to broadly proselytize, to keenly call for their faith. Yes, they
> >> have the right to do so on one condition. I urge them to refrain from
> >> using
> >> fallacious rhetoric in their dialog. It just makes their stance quite
> >> attenuated and thus, susceptible  to easily crumble under critical
> >> scrutiny. I am prepared to be christened if someone convinced me with
> >> plain
> >> reasonableness that what you believe is the truth. I do not give credit
> >> to
> >> Christian portraiture of original sin. Now, if you want to convince
> >> someone
> >> to become Christian, you have got to explain this mystery to him. For
> >> some
> >> reason, it seems to be unexplainable to me. It looks like as if someone
> >> worked it out or made it up. So basically, I feel it is quite perturbing
> >> to  conjointly destine our whole human species to hell for no fault of
> >> its
> >> own. However, some pastors tend to baffle between holding the innocent
> >> versus the guilty accountable, either instigants or actual actors.
> Pastor
> >> Jacob of Michigan believes that instigants are not to be held
> >> accountable.
> >> Who is an instigant?                      An instigant is someone who
> >> deliberately foments trouble. So, if hateful pastors provoked mass
> Muslim
> >> offence that led to broad outrage, they are basically held accountable
> >> for
> >> any casualty or fatality rate. Similarly, if Muslim clerics caused hate
> >> because of their radical speech, they are wholly held accountable for
> any
> >> erupted tension  in the community. So, statutorily, instigants are
> >> equally
> >> held accountable just as actual actors. So, if a girl who is absolutely
> >> gorgeous wore a staggeringly provocative outfit to purposely beguile
> men,
> >> she is partly held accountable for the lust she consciously  instigated.
> >> It
> >> seems that    fibbers and  chisellers are not willing to address the
> >> subject of Original Sin fairly. They tend to breach with decisive facts.
> >> Therefore, their theology is incessantly subjected to critical
> criticism.
> >> Some of them even asked me, whether we as Muslims are sure we are going
> >> to
> >> heaven. I wouldn’t ever assure I am going to heaven unless with
> >>  providential amnesty. I would say it is unjustified pride if I ever
> >> thought I am absolutely going to heaven. It just contradicts with
> >> enjoined
> >> humility. Islam teaches us to be pious and to devote ourselves to doing
> >> good deeds. I on multiple occasions attempted to establish a mutually
> >> deferential dialog with southern pastors. Nevertheless, they failed to
> >> comply to this. Their level of timidity did not match with my
> >> expectations.
> >> I tell them, if you ever wanted to learn about Islam, it is not an
> >> encouraging motive to obliviously quote oriental literature. First off,
> >> you
> >> desperately demand to develop proper command of Arabic. Moreover, your
> >> prejudicial notion doesn’t do more than substantiating your
> unprecedented
> >> nescience. If Original Sin wasn’t the fundamental belief of
> Christianity,
> >> it would have not been used to constitute its doctrinal tenets. I
> civilly
> >> postulate this theological conversation because I am quite interested in
> >> comparative theology. For each faith, there are fundamental tenets. I
> >> challengingly assert that without Original Sin, Christianity would have
> >> not
> >> ever existed. For emotional motives, the idea that someone died in the
> >> cause of your salvation is quite appealing. However, as we saw, it has
> >> many
> >> defects if it is to be illustrated in moderately rational disposal. I
> >> await
> >> to hear pastoral response. But please, we do not need to either
> >> equivocate
> >> nor unconscionably philosophise the matter. It rather has to be
> >> simplified
> >> in a rationally straightforward manner. Beating around the bush has
> >> intemperately fell at the first hurdle. Thank you for reading, Mostafa,
> >> technically Bob Evans.
> >>
> >> --
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> >> (https://www.wake-up.org/contact-us/)
> >>
> >
>
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