[BlindKid] French class

Thu Oct 21 17:06:13 UTC 2021

Jaws has French and she can use a braille display to read it also--very easy

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On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:49 PM JENNIFER CUSACK via BlindKid <
blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Thank you so much for your thoughts and comments. They are helpful. We
> will need to consider how to move on. Her college requires that she
> completes two years on French.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 21, 2021, at 10:24 AM, Dan Burke via BlindKid <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Jennifer and Steve -
> >
> > I agree in general with Steve's analysis. However, clear communication
> with the Disability Access office about the language settings they use, if
> they are going to emboss or translate things like parts of the text or
> exams, is going to be essential. That is, if your daughter is going to ask
> that such texts be translated, she needs to specify these come in English
> (which would use English accent mark symbols), as Steve is suggesting. It
> is very easy for the Disability Access person, who may or may not even know
> French, to check the French language box in Duxbury, for example, and
> forget about it.
> >
> > On the other hand, very strong Braille readers, and especially one who
> is  a big code-nerd, may want to test themselves, and a test it will be. I
> am told that French, the original language in which Braille was developed,
> of course, has vastly more contractions than English. Is it more difficult
> than coding in Python? Rhetorical question only. (smile)
> >
> > Here are some other thoughts, from my perspective of working in a
> disability access office and overseeing alternate formats:
> >
> > * your daughter should put this question out on the NABS list, where
> other students who have already addressed this could share their resources
> and approaches. She could also search the list-serve archives at Nfbnet.org.
> > * The trend of the past decade or more in teaching languages has been to
> use a lot of visuals in the first year or two, de-emphasizing written
> language and thus forcing conversational competency. This will be the issue
> for accommodations in class and exams. The idea is that the instructor
> never says the word "banana," but points to it and asks in French what it
> is. The concept is to have a tiny immersion experience in class where no
> English is spoken. The only accommodation I know of is to speak English and
> say "banana." Consult in advance with the access office and the instructor.
> Probably lots of experience from NABS-listers on this, too.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindKid <blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Steve
> Jacobson via BlindKid
> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 5:53 AM
> > To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children) <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at outlook.com>
> > Subject: Re: [BlindKid] French class
> >
> > Jennifer,
> >
> > Usually it isn't necessary to learn French Braille for an introductory
> class.  If she will be getting a textbook here in the United States or in
> another English speaking country, there are standard ways to show other
> languages within Unified English Braille, and there were approaches with
> the older English Braille as well.  Generally, she should only need to
> learn how to read and write the various accented characters.  If she were
> going to major in French and wanted to read braille produced by French
> braille producers, then it would be necessary to learn French Braille.  It
> seems unlikely she would start out requiring that level of knowledge,
> though.
> >
> > While others may have resources for learning another language, I would
> urge that she reach out to her college to learn what is available.  For one
> thing, instructors often have specific approaches to teaching a language,
> and using another resource may conflict with the order that various
> concepts are being taught.  This could lead to confusion, or even in her
> studying things from another source that might prevent her from
> concentrating on what the instructor is trying to teach.  This could
> actually cause her to do worse on tests since she could be spending time
> learning things that are not being tested yet.
> >
> > If I am not understanding your question, please write again.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Steve Jacobson
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindKid <blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of JENNIFER
> CUSACK via BlindKid
> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 6:13 AM
> > To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children) <
> blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: JENNIFER CUSACK <jencusack at verizon.net>
> > Subject: [BlindKid] French class
> >
> > Hello
> > My daughter is taking an introduction to French class in college. We are
> looking for suggestions on resources to help her learn French braille as
> well as the language. Any ideas? Thank you Regards, Jen Cusack
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
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