From dandrews at visi.com Mon Nov 3 18:04:24 2008 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:04:24 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] NFB versus Target settlement Message-ID: ATTENTION: LEGALLY BLIND INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE ATTEMPTED TO VISIT TARGET.COM WHILE IN CALIFORNIA SINCE FEBRUARY 7, 2003 You may be entitled to payment of money as part of a settlement of a lawsuit filed against Target concerning access to its website. The settlement has been granted preliminary approval by the court in charge of the case. If you are a legally blind individual who tried to access Target.com while in California at any time since February 7, 2003, you may be eligible to be paid damages of up to $7,000. To find out more about the settlement and to submit a claim, please go to www.NFBtargetlawsuit.com and follow the instructions on this settlement website. You may also request a claim form from the Claims Administrator whose contact information is set forth below. Please provide your name, address, and phone number when you contact the Claims Administrator. All claims must be submitted on line by January 8, 2009 or by mail postmarked no later than January 8, 2009. LATE CLAIMS MAY BE DENIED. All questions should be directed to the Claims Administrator. Please do not contact Target Corporation concerning this settlement. Contact information for Claims Administrator: NFB v. Target Claims Administrator, RG2 Claims Administration LLC, P.O. Box 59479, Philadelphia, PA 19102-9479. Phone number: (866)742-4955. David Andrews and white cane Harry. From timandvickie at hotmail.com Wed Nov 5 16:25:50 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:25:50 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few good words and some guidance here. This is something I have always wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but something I really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want to do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for children that may have to go through all that I did. I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management. Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help" them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix" things like this. I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and Business education but once again have been pumping my head for a year trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in and out of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going to law school. I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back to school because she is the one that will have to help me to get my tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me to go back to school because how do they not know that they will give me the money to and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do. OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for me. Tim Shaw _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ From r.g.munro at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 19:42:17 2008 From: r.g.munro at gmail.com (Robert Munro) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:42:17 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim, Check and see whether there is a process for appealing your counselor's decision about funding Law School. I had to go through some thing similar here in North Carolina. Good luck. Onward! Rob -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:26 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] New guy Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few good words and some guidance here. This is something I have always wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but something I really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want to do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for children that may have to go through all that I did. I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management. Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help" them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix" things like this. I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and Business education but once again have been pumping my head for a year trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in and out of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going to law school. I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back to school because she is the one that will have to help me to get my tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me to go back to school because how do they not know that they will give me the money to and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do. OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for me. Tim Shaw _________________________________________________________________ See how WindowsR connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/r.g.munro%40gmail. com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Nov 6 00:35:20 2008 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:35:20 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy Message-ID: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> Tim: Each state vocational rehabilitation agency is required to have in place an ability to grant exceptions or waivers to policies that arbitrarily limit the kinds of services that can be included in an individualized plan for employment, such as a rule that an agency will not pay for graduate school. However, it does not sound like that is the stumbling block you are facing, rather it sounds like your vocational rehabilitation counselor has rejected your employment goal, in which case it seems that you need to go through the appeal process, which the agency is also required to have in place and should be on its website or in its policies or rules. Noel nightingale Seattle, Washington -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:26 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] New guy Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few good words and some guidance here. This is something I have always wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but something I really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want to do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for children that may have to go through all that I did. I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management. Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help" them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix" things like this. I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and Business education but once again have been pumping my head for a year trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in and out of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going to law school. I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back to school because she is the one that will have to help me to get my tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me to go back to school because how do they not know that they will give me the money to and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do. OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for me. Tim Shaw _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows(r) connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightinga le%40ed.gov From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 6 01:47:36 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:47:36 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10807C96-5885-4BA5-B6A4-4A859BD7DD19@sbcglobal.net> Here are some things I ran into worth considering . . . perhaps: 1. If you think your marriage is under stress now, wait until mid second semester of law school. 2. When your done and have the degree and a license, you will be on your own b/c the chances of getting a job offer are astronomical. I had to just open my own office right after getting the license. FUNDING! 3. After years practicing I have routinely had thoughts I perhaps should had gone into teaching!! Really. My point is things don't always turn out the way we imagine. Law school is tough on a marriage. Whatever you decide I wish you the best. I hope you find what you want and don't lose what's really important in the process (family). James On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:25 AM, tim and vickie shaw wrote: > > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting > to start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at > the moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get > a few good words and some guidance here. This is something I have > always wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but > something I really didn't see myself ever actually doing. I want to > do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for > children that may have to go through all that I did. > > I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business > Management. Not having any work experience I have had a very tough > time finding a job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that > specialize in providing employment and training to disabled > individuals and "help" them. The frustrating experience working with > these people only served to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to > work to be able to "fix" things like this. > > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to > take on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special > Education and Business education but once again have been pumping my > head for a year trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on > working as a teacher whnile i went to law school. Due to my > inability to find work in and out of teaching I have decided to just > try and move forward to going to law school. > > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a > tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works > with the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called > my counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about > going back to school because she is the one that will have to help > me to get my tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even > talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable > for me to go back to school because how do they not know that they > will give me the money to and then when I get out still wont be able > to find work. > > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal > with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am > just getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going > to hell because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to > jsut be sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do. > > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut > needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words > for me. > > > Tim Shaw > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are > part of your life > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From mikefry79 at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 02:15:09 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:15:09 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> References: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811051815l2f013e8cle417df51b11abca8@mail.gmail.com> Stay tough Tim. Just keep fighting for what you want. It'll work out eventually. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Nightingale, Noel wrote: > Tim: > > Each state vocational rehabilitation agency is required to have in place > an ability to grant exceptions or waivers to policies that arbitrarily > limit the kinds of services that can be included in an individualized > plan for employment, such as a rule that an agency will not pay for > graduate school. > > However, it does not sound like that is the stumbling block you are > facing, rather it sounds like your vocational rehabilitation counselor > has rejected your employment goal, in which case it seems that you need > to go through the appeal process, which the agency is also required to > have in place and should be on its website or in its policies or rules. > > Noel nightingale > Seattle, Washington > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:26 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] New guy > > > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to > start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the > moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few > good words and some guidance here. This is something I have always > wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but something I > really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want to do this so I can > handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for children that may have to > go through all that I did. > > I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management. > Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a > job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in > providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help" > them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served > to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix" > things like this. > > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take > on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and > Business education but once again have been pumping my head for a year > trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher > whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in and out > of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going to law > school. > > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a > tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with > the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my > counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back > to school because she is the one that will have to help me to get my > tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about > it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me to go back to > school because how do they not know that they will give me the money to > and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. > > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal > with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just > getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell > because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be > sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do. > > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut > needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for > me. > > > Tim Shaw > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows(r) connects the people, information, and fun that are > part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightinga > le%40ed.gov > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From timandvickie at hotmail.com Thu Nov 6 02:43:49 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:43:49 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> References: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> Message-ID: I will try and dig aroudn their site for an appeal process, sadly as in most government sites their website is not a very good one. Problem is I dont know if an appeal is the right step yet since she has not even allowed me to talk to her really about it in the first place then can I say that she denied my request when she didnt really even let me make my request?> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:35:20 -0500> From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New guy> > Tim:> > Each state vocational rehabilitation agency is required to have in place> an ability to grant exceptions or waivers to policies that arbitrarily> limit the kinds of services that can be included in an individualized> plan for employment, such as a rule that an agency will not pay for> graduate school. > > However, it does not sound like that is the stumbling block you are> facing, rather it sounds like your vocational rehabilitation counselor> has rejected your employment goal, in which case it seems that you need> to go through the appeal process, which the agency is also required to> have in place and should be on its website or in its policies or rules.> > Noel nightingale> Seattle, Washington> > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]> On Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:26 AM> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Subject: [blindlaw] New guy> > > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to> start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the> moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few> good words and some guidance here. This is something I have always> wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but something I> really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want to do this so I can> handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for children that may have to> go through all that I did. > > I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management.> Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a> job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in> providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help"> them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served> to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix"> things like this. > > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take> on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and> Business education but once again have been pumping my head for a year> trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher> whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in and out> of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going to law> school.> > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a> tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with> the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my> counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back> to school because she is the one that will have to help me to get my> tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about> it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me to go back to> school because how do they not know that they will give me the money to> and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. > > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal> with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just> getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell> because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be> sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do.> > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut> needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for> me.> > > Tim Shaw> _________________________________________________________________> See how Windows(r) connects the people, information, and fun that are> part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightinga> le%40ed.gov> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 From timandvickie at hotmail.com Thu Nov 6 02:50:27 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:50:27 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: <10807C96-5885-4BA5-B6A4-4A859BD7DD19@sbcglobal.net> References: <10807C96-5885-4BA5-B6A4-4A859BD7DD19@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: our marriage can handle the stresses of school is the stresses of making no headway at all at the moment thats straining us. Opening my own practice is deifintly something I would consider, but as far as getting job right out of school a business law tacher I had in the past had told me that in texas your first year or so out of school texas requires you to work as a publican defendant anyways.> From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:47:36 -0800> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New guy> > Here are some things I ran into worth considering . . . perhaps:> > 1. If you think your marriage is under stress now, wait until mid > second semester of law school.> 2. When your done and have the degree and a license, you will be on > your own b/c the chances of getting a job offer are astronomical. I > had to just open my own office right after getting the license. > FUNDING!> 3. After years practicing I have routinely had thoughts I perhaps > should had gone into teaching!! Really.> > My point is things don't always turn out the way we imagine. Law > school is tough on a marriage. Whatever you decide I wish you the > best. I hope you find what you want and don't lose what's really > important in the process (family).> > James> On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:25 AM, tim and vickie shaw wrote:> > >> > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting > > to start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at > > the moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get > > a few good words and some guidance here. This is something I have > > always wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but > > something I really didn't see myself ever actually doing. I want to > > do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for > > children that may have to go through all that I did.> >> > I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business > > Management. Not having any work experience I have had a very tough > > time finding a job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that > > specialize in providing employment and training to disabled > > individuals and "help" them. The frustrating experience working with > > these people only served to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to > > work to be able to "fix" things like this.> >> > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to > > take on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special > > Education and Business education but once again have been pumping my > > head for a year trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on > > working as a teacher whnile i went to law school. Due to my > > inability to find work in and out of teaching I have decided to just > > try and move forward to going to law school.> >> > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a > > tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works > > with the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called > > my counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about > > going back to school because she is the one that will have to help > > me to get my tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even > > talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable > > for me to go back to school because how do they not know that they > > will give me the money to and then when I get out still wont be able > > to find work.> >> > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal > > with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am > > just getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going > > to hell because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to > > jsut be sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do.> >> > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut > > needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words > > for me.> >> >> > Tim Shaw> > _________________________________________________________________> > See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are > > part of your life> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 6 17:35:38 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:35:38 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <749895B4A6554EE38558E0CB8F86A7F7@spike> There is always an appeal process in dealing with a decision of a VR counselor in any state. There have been similar situations here in California when disabled people have wanted to attend law school. In some states the Department of Rehab is reluctant to fund many programs of advanced study. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Munro" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New guy > Tim, > > Check and see whether there is a process for appealing your counselor's > decision about funding Law School. I had to go through some thing similar > here in North Carolina. Good luck. > > Onward! > > Rob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:26 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] New guy > > > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to > start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the > moment > *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few good words > and some guidance here. This is something I have always wanted to do I > guess > really in the back of my mind, but something I really didnt see myself > ever > actually doing. I want to do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as > an > advocate for children that may have to go through all that I did. > > I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management. > Not > having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a job. I > worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in providing > employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help" them. The > frustrating experience working with these people only served to strengthen > my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix" things like this. > > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take > on > teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and Business > education but once again have been pumping my head for a year trying to > get > work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher whnile i went to > law > school. Due to my inability to find work in and out of teaching I have > decided to just try and move forward to going to law school. > > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a > tuition > and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with the blind > provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my counselor at the > Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back to school because > she is the one that will have to help me to get my tuition waiver adn all > of > this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt > think its reasonable for me to go back to school because how do they not > know that they will give me the money to and then when I get out still > wont > be able to find work. > > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal with > the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just getting > extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell because of > my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be sitting in a > rut. > I am lost for what to do. > > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut needed > to > get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for me. > > > Tim Shaw > _________________________________________________________________ > See how WindowsR connects the people, information, and fun that are part > of > your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/r.g.munro%40gmail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 6 17:57:20 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:57:20 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: References: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> Message-ID: <0B0B80B39A7047AF814B4BD2BC556B18@spike> In most states the appeal process would first involve talking to her supervisor and if that goes no where asking for a hearing. In many states centers for independent living will provide advocacy services in rehab hearings and appeals. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim and vickie shaw" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New guy > > I will try and dig aroudn their site for an appeal process, sadly as in > most government sites their website is not a very good one. Problem is I > dont know if an appeal is the right step yet since she has not even > allowed me to talk to her really about it in the first place then can I > say that she denied my request when she didnt really even let me make my > request?> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:35:20 -0500> From: > Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] > New guy> > Tim:> > Each state vocational rehabilitation agency is required > to have in place> an ability to grant exceptions or waivers to policies > that arbitrarily> limit the kinds of services that can be included in an > individualized> plan for employment, such as a rule that an agency will > not pay for> graduate school. > > However, it does not sound like that is > the stumbling block you are> facing, rather it sounds like your vocational > rehabilitation counselor> has rejected your employment goal, in which case > it seems that you need> to go through the appeal process, which the agency > is also required to> have in place and should be on its website or in its > policies or rules.> > Noel nightingale> Seattle, Washington> > > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]> On Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:26 AM> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > Subject: [blindlaw] New guy> > > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new > to the group. I am wanting to> start law school in the fall. Just keep > running into obstacles at the> moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. > Hoping maybe can get a few> good words and some guidance here. This is > something I have always> wanted to do I guess really in the back of my > mind, but something I> really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want > to do this so I can> handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for > children that may have to> go through all that I did. > > I graduated from > college in 2005 with a degree in Business M! > anagemen > t.> Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a> > job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in> > providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help"> > them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served> to > strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix"> things > like this. > > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and > decided to take> on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special > Education and> Business education but once again have been pumping my head > for a year> trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a > teacher> whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in > and out> of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going > to law> school.> > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind > individuals recieve a> tuition and fee waiver as well as the government > agency that works with> the blind provides textbook vouchers and > assistance. I called my> counselor at the Division for Blind Services to > ask her about going back> to school because she is the one that will have > to help me to get my> tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even > talk to me about> it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me > to go back to> school because how do they not know that they will give me > the money to> and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. > > > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal> with > the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just> getting > extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell> because > of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be> sitting in a > rut. I am lost for what to do.> > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering > yall with all of this jsut> needed to get it off my chest and see if > anyone had any good words for> me.> > > Tim Shaw> > _________________________________________________________________> See how > Windows(r) connects the! > people, > information, and fun that are> part of your life > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/> > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightinga> > le%40ed.gov> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Nov 6 19:36:08 2008 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:36:08 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice Message-ID: ________________________________ From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:12 AM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Subject: [Jobs] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice ________________________________ From: Hunter, Sue [mailto:Sue.Hunter at usdoj.gov] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:50 AM To: mail at dallashispanicbar.com; mail at equaljusticeworks.org; mail at naicja.org; main at aabany.org; MamieLDavis at msn.com; Maricela.Siew at bakernet.com; mcalvet at morganlewis.com; mcle at vsb.org; mdalal at mhmlaw.com; mdsaa at bellatlantic.net; meiklejohns at sullcrom.com; melissa-tatum at utulsa.edu; mike at imba.com; Mikediv201 at aol.com; minorities at abanet.org; mjain at gdblegal.com; mlorenzo at graycary.com; nawl at nawl.org; ncai at ncai.org; nedy at wyjlaw.com; newmedia at ja.org; Neysas at dnfsb.gov; Maurer, Patricia; nijc at aol.com Subject: FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice To learn more about our attorneys and what they like most about working at DOJ, please visit our attorney profiles at, http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/profiles.htm, and the video clips of our attorneys and interns available at https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/ads/jobsatdojoarm/index.jsp We encourage you to share this email with interested colleagues and peers. 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Such posting and/or dissemination is not an endorsement by the Department of the organization or group disseminating and/or posting the information. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From dandrews at visi.com Fri Nov 7 10:31:55 2008 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:31:55 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school Message-ID: >Anybody want to transfer? Dave >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >Irvine law school students] > > >- >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school >students >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >From: Anne Ward > > > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >By Debra Cassens Weiss >Students >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >next fall will get their legal education for free. >The law school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 >to its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >reports. >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >raised about a third of the money. >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> From joramsey at cox.net Fri Nov 7 11:44:12 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:44:12 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs Message-ID: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan forgiveness programs? Cordially, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 From clucas at disabilitypride.com Fri Nov 7 16:22:36 2008 From: clucas at disabilitypride.com (Carrie Ann Lucas) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:22:36 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs In-Reply-To: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> References: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> Message-ID: The Florida Bar Foundation has one of the best LRAP programs in the country. I know legal aid attorneys receive help, I don't know if other public interest attorneys can access it. Fellowship programs like Equal Justice Works and Skadden have LRAP programs for fellows. Some law schools have their own LRAP programs for graduates doing public interest work. Unless you are doing public interest work, I don't know of any LRAP programs for folks. There is a new federal loan forgiveness program, but I don't know its applicability to people with older loans. Carrie Ann Lucas Director Center for Rights of Parents with Disabilities Colorado Cross-Disability Coalition 655 Broadway, Suite 775 Denver, CO 80203 303.839.1775 (main and messages) 303.839.0015 (direct and TTY) 303.839.1782 (facsimile) 800.817.1435 (main and messages) 877.267.1621 (direct and TTY) www.ccdconline.org -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:44 AM To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan forgiveness programs? Cordially, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit ypride.com From timandvickie at hotmail.com Fri Nov 7 18:11:43 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs In-Reply-To: References: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> Message-ID: these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it does look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law or for a nonprofit http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ From RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com Sat Nov 8 02:58:58 2008 From: RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com (Ray Wayne) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school References: Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >Anybody want to transfer? > > > Dave > > > > > >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC > >Irvine law school students] > > > > > >- > >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school > >students > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 > >From: Anne Ward > > > > > > > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class > >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST > >By Debra Cassens Weiss > >Students > >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine > >next fall will get their legal education for free. > >The law school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 > >to its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal > >reports. > >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs > >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract > >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to > >cost the school about $6 million, he said. > >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far > >raised about a third of the money. > >The story also reports that the law school had originally called > >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, > >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University > >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. > > > > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om From roddj12 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 8 05:30:58 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school References: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Wayne" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >> >next fall will get their legal education for free. >> >The law school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 >> >to its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >> >reports. >> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >> i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Nov 8 06:36:06 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school In-Reply-To: References: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the moment. From kdbenterprises at yahoo.com Sat Nov 8 20:50:05 2008 From: kdbenterprises at yahoo.com (kdb) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 References: Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm@web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold without adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing but the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. kdbenterprises ________________________________ From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 From: tim and vickie shaw Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it does look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law or for a nonprofit http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 From: "Ray Wayne" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >Anybody want to transfer? > > > Dave > > > > > >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC > >Irvine law school students] > > > > > >- > >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school > >students > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 > >From: Anne Ward > > > > > > > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class > >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST > >By Debra Cassens Weiss > >Students > >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine > >next fall will get their legal education for free. > >The law school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 > >to its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal > >reports. > >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs > >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract > >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to > >cost the school about $6 million, he said. > >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far > >raised about a third of the money. > >The story also reports that the law school had originally called > >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, > >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University > >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. > > > > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 From: "Rod Alcidonis" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Wayne" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >> >next fall will get their legal education for free. >> >The law school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 >> >to its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >> >reports. >> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >> i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: Leslie Fairall Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the moment. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 *************************************** From relton30857 at cox.net Sun Nov 9 23:43:51 2008 From: relton30857 at cox.net (Garry and Joy Relton) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:43:51 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the format of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. Could some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there today? I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would appreciate any input you can give me. Sincerely, Joy Relon -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) From: kdb Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold without adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing but the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. kdbenterprises ________________________________ From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 From: tim and vickie shaw Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it does look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law or for a nonprofit http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit > ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot mail.com _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 From: "Ray Wayne" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >Anybody want to transfer? > > > Dave > > > > > >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC > >Irvine law school students] > > > > > >- > >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school > >students > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 > >From: Anne Ward > > > > > > > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class > >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST > >By Debra Cassens Weiss > >Students > >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine > >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is > >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first > >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. > >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs > >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract > >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to > >cost the school about $6 million, he said. > >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far > >raised about a third of the money. > >The story also reports that the law school had originally called > >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, > >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University > >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. > >c:ma i > > > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 From: "Rod Alcidonis" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Wayne" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >>>sc:ma > i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny > c.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. com > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: Leslie Fairall Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the moment. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 *************************************** ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 *************************************** From joramsey at cox.net Mon Nov 10 00:35:19 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:35:19 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> Message-ID: I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses were on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic format. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the format of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. Could some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there today? I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would appreciate any input you can give me. Sincerely, Joy Relon -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) From: kdb Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold without adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing but the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. kdbenterprises ________________________________ From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 From: tim and vickie shaw Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it does look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law or for a nonprofit http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit > ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot mail.com _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 From: "Ray Wayne" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >Anybody want to transfer? > > > Dave > > > > > >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC > >Irvine law school students] > > > > > >- > >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school > >students > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 > >From: Anne Ward > > > > > > > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class > >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST > >By Debra Cassens Weiss > >Students > >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine > >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is > >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first > >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. > >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs > >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract > >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to > >cost the school about $6 million, he said. > >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far > >raised about a third of the money. > >The story also reports that the law school had originally called > >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, > >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University > >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. > >c:ma i > > > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 From: "Rod Alcidonis" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Wayne" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >>>sc:ma > i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny > c.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. com > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: Leslie Fairall Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the moment. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 *************************************** ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 *************************************** _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 2:14 PM From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 10 00:56:32 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:56:32 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> References: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> Message-ID: I was two for two on exams using Aspen Publishing''s "Law in a Flash" series of programs. They work great with JAWS and if you put the time in they will get you through both the MBE and essays. Good luck. James On Nov 9, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Garry and Joy Relton wrote: > Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when > the format > of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about > taking the > bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review > packages. Could > some of you share your experiences with the various courses out > there today? > I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I > would > appreciate any input you can give me. > > Sincerely, > > Joy Relon -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw- > bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) > From: kdb > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory > practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell > phones and > other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be > made > speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable > throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold > without > adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When > approached > regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for > accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of > hearing but > the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored > regarding > total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. > > kdbenterprises > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) > 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) > 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) > 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 > From: tim and vickie shaw > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but > it does > look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service > law or > for a nonprofit > > http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php > http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml > http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: >> Friday, > November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> > Subject: > [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic > to free > tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> > Cordially,> > John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) > 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or > get your account info for blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot > mail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are > part of > your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 > From: "Ray Wayne" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >>> Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >>> news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> Irvine law school students] >>> >>> >>> - >>> Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> school >>> students >>> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> From: Anne Ward >>> >>> >>> >>> Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> Students >>> who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>> Irvine >>> next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >>> giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >>> 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >>> Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >>> at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >>> high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected >>> to >>> cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>> The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has >>> so far >>> raised about a third of the money. >>> The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>> donor, >>> but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>> University >>> of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >> > 00000160/%21x-us >> c:ma > i >>> >>> lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 > From: "Rod Alcidonis" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take > the MPRE > this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>>> Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>> Irvine law school students] >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>> school >>>> students >>>> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>> From: Anne Ward >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>> Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>> By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>> Students >>>> who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>> Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>> school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>> its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>> reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>> affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>> attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>> expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>> The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has >>>> so far >>>> raised about a third of the money. >>>> The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>> itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>>> donor, >>>> but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>>> University >>>> of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>> >> 00000160/%21x-u >>> sc:ma >> i >>>> >>>> lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ >> rwayne1%40ny >> c.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail > . > com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) > From: Leslie Fairall > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law > school > is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, > you have > to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides > at the > moment. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > *************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From fairall at shellworld.net Mon Nov 10 01:09:49 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:09:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A follow-up to this question. Our law school has student representatives from Bar/bri that are trying to convince us to sign up now as first-year law students. Would this be beneficial, or is it just another way to get our hard-earned money? From b75205 at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 01:52:20 2008 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:52:20 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: References: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> Message-ID: John: You should be made aware that all standardized testing companies will tell the school what type of accessibility device you use when taking the test. This is how colleges can find out who is disabled and who is not when determining how many people it should accept to the university. It is against the law for them to ask you if you are disabled so they get the information from the testing facility and make that law completely useless. So you are in a difficult position, trying to find an accessible law program and still have to deal with the prospects that a college will only accept the candidates that meet their quote for the blind's percentage of the population. So for schools that are particuarly friendly to the blind, they have more competition. I think that we should get rid of this loophole so that colleges accept people without knowing if they are blind or not so that admissions will not be based on population size but on merit. James Pepper From joramsey at cox.net Mon Nov 10 02:13:00 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:13:00 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <11015A1A2B694FDA88B329A198A2E0CF@noneeb869fea9a> I would say that depends on your study methods but there are some advantages, such as, you do get some materials in advance if you are a BAR/BRI member and you also get to lock your price in at that time. However, I don not have anything to verify if the price really goes up all that much State to State because I waited until I was going to take the bar to buy the course. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:10 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials A follow-up to this question. Our law school has student representatives from Bar/bri that are trying to convince us to sign up now as first-year law students. Would this be beneficial, or is it just another way to get our hard-earned money? _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 2:14 PM From roddj12 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 02:53:54 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:53:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: Message-ID: John, did you take the courses in the classroom? I am debating which is better. If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need to go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in my own quiet time, at my chosen location. Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? I will be making a choice soon! Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses were > on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic > format. > Take care, > John > > John Ramsey Esq. > > Gainesville, FL 32609 > > Phone: (352) 505-6642 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > > Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the > format > of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the > bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. > Could > some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there > today? > I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would > appreciate any input you can give me. > > Sincerely, > > Joy Relon -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) > From: kdb > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory > practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and > other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made > speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable > throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold > without > adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached > regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for > accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing > but > the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding > total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. > > kdbenterprises > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) > 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) > 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) > 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 > From: tim and vickie shaw > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it > does > look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law > or > for a nonprofit > > http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php > http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml > http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, > November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: > [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to > free > tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> > John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) > 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot > mail.com _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part > of > your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 > From: "Ray Wayne" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >>>c:ma > i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 > From: "Rod Alcidonis" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE > this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>> >far >>> >raised about a third of the money. >>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>sc:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >> c.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. > com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) > From: Leslie Fairall > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school > is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have > to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the > moment. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > *************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 > 2:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From AZNOR99 at aol.com Mon Nov 10 04:41:16 2008 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:41:16 EST Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials Message-ID: I took the Bar Exam two years ago. I registered for and took BarBri, which worked out very well. They provided me with all the course materials in electronic format, though it was WordPerfect. Such files can be easily converted to Word format though, so don't let that be a deterrent. I physically attended all of the classes, and I highly recommend you do the same. The instructors give all kinds of useful tips that don't appear in the written materials. I actually could hear the ConLaw and CivPro professors in my head during the exam, and I know I did better because of it. They also have an Ipod upgrade option, so you pay a little more and receive an Ipod with the lectures already programmed onto it. I also opted for this, and it helped when I had to miss a physical lecture or needed to go over some material more thoroughly. But this is not an Ipod you can sync with your computer or ITunes, as it will wipe itself if you do. If you can figure out a way to access it, it's great. If not, it'd be a waste of money. For me, I put it under a CCTV and selected the lectures I needed for that day. Or, you can just start it playing and move forward until you find the lecture you want by listening for it. I registered for PMBR, but I didn't go to the lectures because of a family emergency. But I did use the materials they sent, which took the format of electronic documents sent to me on a CD. This was most useful for the practice exams and question bank. If you want to study for the MBE only, PMBR might be a better bet, as it is much cheaper than BarBri. If you're taking an entire exam, I highly recommend BarBri. Feel free to email me off-list if you would like to chat with someone who's done it before. _aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) . Good luck. Ronza In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, roddj12 at hotmail.com writes: John, did you take the courses in the classroom? I am debating which is better. If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need to go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in my own quiet time, at my chosen location. Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? I will be making a choice soon! Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses were > on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic > format. > Take care, > John > > John Ramsey Esq. > > Gainesville, FL 32609 > > Phone: (352) 505-6642 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > > Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the > format > of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the > bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. > Could > some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there > today? > I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would > appreciate any input you can give me. > > Sincerely, > > Joy Relon -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) > From: kdb > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory > practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and > other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made > speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable > throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold > without > adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached > regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for > accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing > but > the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding > total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. > > kdbenterprises > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) > 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) > 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) > 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 > From: tim and vickie shaw > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it > does > look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law > or > for a nonprofit > > http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php > http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml > http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, > November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: > [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to > free > tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> > John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) > 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot > mail.com _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part > of > your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 > From: "Ray Wayne" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >>>c:ma > i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 > From: "Rod Alcidonis" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE > this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>> >far >>> >raised about a third of the money. >>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>sc:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >> c.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. > com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) > From: Leslie Fairall > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school > is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have > to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the > moment. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > *************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 > 2:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) From roddj12 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 09:37:07 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:37:07 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: Message-ID: Thanks, Ronza. I will seek further advice from you soon. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >I took the Bar Exam two years ago. I registered for and took BarBri, >which > worked out very well. They provided me with all the course materials in > electronic format, though it was WordPerfect. Such files can be easily > converted > to Word format though, so don't let that be a deterrent. I physically > attended all of the classes, and I highly recommend you do the same. The > instructors give all kinds of useful tips that don't appear in the > written > materials. I actually could hear the ConLaw and CivPro professors in my > head during > the exam, and I know I did better because of it. They also have an Ipod > upgrade option, so you pay a little more and receive an Ipod with the > lectures > already programmed onto it. I also opted for this, and it helped when I > had to > miss a physical lecture or needed to go over some material more > thoroughly. > But this is not an Ipod you can sync with your computer or ITunes, as it > will > wipe itself if you do. If you can figure out a way to access it, it's > great. If not, it'd be a waste of money. For me, I put it under a CCTV > and > selected the lectures I needed for that day. Or, you can just start it > playing > and move forward until you find the lecture you want by listening for it. > > I registered for PMBR, but I didn't go to the lectures because of a family > emergency. But I did use the materials they sent, which took the format > of > electronic documents sent to me on a CD. This was most useful for the > practice > exams and question bank. If you want to study for the MBE only, PMBR > might > be a better bet, as it is much cheaper than BarBri. If you're taking an > entire exam, I highly recommend BarBri. > > Feel free to email me off-list if you would like to chat with someone > who's > done it before. _aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) . Good luck. > > Ronza > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > roddj12 at hotmail.com writes: > > John, did you take the courses in the classroom? > I am debating which is better. > If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need > to > go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in > my > own quiet time, at my chosen location. > Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? > I will be making a choice soon! > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > >>I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >>were >> on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic >> format. >> Take care, >> John >> >> John Ramsey Esq. >> >> Gainesville, FL 32609 >> >> Phone: (352) 505-6642 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >> >> >> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the >> format >> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking >> the >> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. >> Could >> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there >> today? >> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would >> appreciate any input you can give me. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Joy Relon -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On >> Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) >> From: kdb >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory >> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones >> and >> other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be >> made >> speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable >> throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold >> without >> adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached >> regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for >> accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing >> but >> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding >> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. >> >> kdbenterprises >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) >> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) >> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) >> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 >> From: tim and vickie shaw >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it >> does >> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law >> or >> for a nonprofit >> >> http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php >> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml >> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >>> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, >> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: >> [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to >> free >> tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> >> Cordially,> >> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) >> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >>> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >>> blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot >> mail.com >> _________________________________________________________________ >> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part >> of >> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >>> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >>> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >>> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >>> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >>> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >>> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >>> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>> far >>> >raised about a third of the money. >>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>c:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >>> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c >> om >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 >> From: "Rod Alcidonis" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the >> MPRE >> this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. >> >> Rod Alcidonis >> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >> Roger Williams University School of Law >> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >> Bristol, RI 02809 >> Cell: 718-704-4651 >> Home: 401-824-8685 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>> Ray >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Andrews" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >- >>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>> >school >>>> >students >>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>> >Students >>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>>> >far >>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>>> >University >>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>> >>>>>>>sc:ma >>> i >>>> > >>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >>> c.rr.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. >> com >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) >> From: Leslie Fairall >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law >> school >> is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you >> have >> to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at >> the >> moment. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> *************************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> *************************************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: >> 11/9/2008 >> 2:14 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com > > > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From joramsey at cox.net Mon Nov 10 09:48:56 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:48:56 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4C5B89B5AF1C47BC9BDF94B0E675973A@noneeb869fea9a> Rod, I took both at home and it was definitely better than the video review BAR/BRI gave us in the 3L year. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:54 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials John, did you take the courses in the classroom? I am debating which is better. If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need to go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in my own quiet time, at my chosen location. Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? I will be making a choice soon! Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >were on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in >electronic format. Take care, > John > > John Ramsey Esq. > > Gainesville, FL 32609 > > Phone: (352) 505-6642 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > > Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the > format > of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the > bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. > Could > some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there > today? > I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would > appreciate any input you can give me. > > Sincerely, > > Joy Relon -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) > From: kdb > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory > practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones > and other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can > be made speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made > useable throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to > be sold without adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac > users? When approached regarding this issue and reminded that the > owners did provide for accessibility via TTY I remind them that is > fine for the hard of hearing but > the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding > total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. > > kdbenterprises > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) > 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) > 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) > 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 > From: tim and vickie shaw > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it > does > look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law > or > for a nonprofit > > http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php > http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml > http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: >> Friday, > November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> > Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related > topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness > programs?> Cordially,> > John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) > 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> > 505-6642> > > blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40dis > abilit >> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie > %40hot > mail.com _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part > of > your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 > From: "Ray Wayne" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. The school is >> >seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far raised >> >about a third of the money. The story also reports that the law >> >school had originally called itself the Donald Bren School of Law in >> >honor of a $20 million donor, but the school is dropping the name. >> >It will be called the University of California, Irvine, a name that >> >is parallel to other UC schools. >> >>>s >>c:ma > i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny > c.rr.c > om > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 > From: "Rod Alcidonis" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the > MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. The school >>> >is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >>> >raised about a third of the money. >>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>u >>>sc:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40n >> y >> c.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40ho > tmail. > com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) > From: Leslie Fairall > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law > school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. > However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 > Federal job provides at the moment. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > *************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40c > ox.net > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 > 2:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 2:14 PM From roddj12 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 11:06:48 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:06:48 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: <4C5B89B5AF1C47BC9BDF94B0E675973A@noneeb869fea9a> Message-ID: I was wondering, more so, whether listening to the video or the tapes at home was preferred over going to the class to watch the same. I will asked Barbri whether the tapes they would provide to blind students are the same as the videos shown in class. If they are, I will have some hard thinking to do as to whether I should have to attend the lectures in class. Thanks to you all. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:48 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > Rod, > I took both at home and it was definitely better than the video review > BAR/BRI gave us in the 3L year. > Take care, > John > > John Ramsey Esq. > > Gainesville, FL 32609 > > Phone: (352) 505-6642 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:54 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > > John, did you take the courses in the classroom? > I am debating which is better. > If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need to > go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in > my > own quiet time, at my chosen location. > Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? > I will be making a choice soon! > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > >>I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >>were on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in >>electronic format. Take care, >> John >> >> John Ramsey Esq. >> >> Gainesville, FL 32609 >> >> Phone: (352) 505-6642 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >> >> >> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the >> format >> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the >> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. >> Could >> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there >> today? >> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would >> appreciate any input you can give me. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Joy Relon -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) >> From: kdb >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory >> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones >> and other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can >> be made speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made >> useable throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to >> be sold without adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac >> users? When approached regarding this issue and reminded that the >> owners did provide for accessibility via TTY I remind them that is >> fine for the hard of hearing but >> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding >> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. >> >> kdbenterprises >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) >> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) >> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) >> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 >> From: tim and vickie shaw >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it >> does >> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law >> or >> for a nonprofit >> >> http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php >> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml >> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >>> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: >>> Friday, >> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> >> Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related >> topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness >> programs?> Cordially,> >> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) >> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> >> 505-6642> > > blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> >> blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40dis >> abilit >>> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >>> blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie >> %40hot >> mail.com >> _________________________________________________________________ >> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part >> of >> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. The school is >>> >seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far raised >>> >about a third of the money. The story also reports that the law >>> >school had originally called itself the Donald Bren School of Law in >>> >honor of a $20 million donor, but the school is dropping the name. >>> >It will be called the University of California, Irvine, a name that >>> >is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>s >>>c:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >> c.rr.c >> om >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 >> From: "Rod Alcidonis" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the >> MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. >> >> Rod Alcidonis >> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >> Roger Williams University School of Law >> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >> Bristol, RI 02809 >> Cell: 718-704-4651 >> Home: 401-824-8685 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>> Ray >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Andrews" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >- >>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>> >school >>>> >students >>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>> >Students >>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. The school >>>> >is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>> >>>>>>>u >>>>sc:ma >>> i >>>> > >>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>> blindlaw: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40n >>> y >>> c.rr.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40ho >> tmail. >> com >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) >> From: Leslie Fairall >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law >> school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. >> However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 >> Federal job provides at the moment. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> *************************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> *************************************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40c >> ox.net >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 >> 2:14 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. > com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 > 2:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From jackchenonline at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 11:10:50 2008 From: jackchenonline at hotmail.com (Jack Chen) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:10:50 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: Message-ID: Hello Leslie I'm not a Rep for Barbri, so I'm not biased. However, about 95 percent of the people I know took Barbri. Therefore, if there is a discount, I would jump on it. I would, even though it isn't usually a problem, confirm that they will give you the materials in home study format. jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Fairall" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >A follow-up to this question. Our law school has student representatives >from Bar/bri that are trying to convince us to sign up now as first-year >law students. Would this be beneficial, or is it just another way to get >our hard-earned money? > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jackchenonline%40hotmail.com > From jackchenonline at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 11:17:19 2008 From: jackchenonline at hotmail.com (Jack Chen) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:17:19 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: Message-ID: Rod I also took the Barbri courses at home. They provided me with all of the lectures on CD and the files electronically (Can't remember if they are Word Perfect or Word). The only thing that I remember having trouble with was the study schedule -- it was in PDF. However, I just had someone read it to me early on. As a second note, I also took PMBR for the Multistate, which was equally as accomodating. One other thing that I found helpful was to figure out how I was going to take the exam and simulate it. NCBE refused to give me the exam in computer format, despite my protests that I would not be practicing law with a reader, and that it wouldn't measure my abilities. They were only willing to give me the exam on casette, so I recorded my computer reading the entire practice exams at approximately the speed I thought I would listen to the exam. Then, on practice day, I took the exam just as I would on the real day with the casette. Hope this helps and good luck. jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Alcidonis" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > Thanks, Ronza. I will seek further advice from you soon. > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > >>I took the Bar Exam two years ago. I registered for and took BarBri, >>which >> worked out very well. They provided me with all the course materials in >> electronic format, though it was WordPerfect. Such files can be easily >> converted >> to Word format though, so don't let that be a deterrent. I physically >> attended all of the classes, and I highly recommend you do the same. >> The >> instructors give all kinds of useful tips that don't appear in the >> written >> materials. I actually could hear the ConLaw and CivPro professors in my >> head during >> the exam, and I know I did better because of it. They also have an Ipod >> upgrade option, so you pay a little more and receive an Ipod with the >> lectures >> already programmed onto it. I also opted for this, and it helped when I >> had to >> miss a physical lecture or needed to go over some material more >> thoroughly. >> But this is not an Ipod you can sync with your computer or ITunes, as it >> will >> wipe itself if you do. If you can figure out a way to access it, it's >> great. If not, it'd be a waste of money. For me, I put it under a CCTV >> and >> selected the lectures I needed for that day. Or, you can just start it >> playing >> and move forward until you find the lecture you want by listening for >> it. >> >> I registered for PMBR, but I didn't go to the lectures because of a >> family >> emergency. But I did use the materials they sent, which took the format >> of >> electronic documents sent to me on a CD. This was most useful for the >> practice >> exams and question bank. If you want to study for the MBE only, PMBR >> might >> be a better bet, as it is much cheaper than BarBri. If you're taking an >> entire exam, I highly recommend BarBri. >> >> Feel free to email me off-list if you would like to chat with someone >> who's >> done it before. _aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) . Good luck. >> >> Ronza >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> roddj12 at hotmail.com writes: >> >> John, did you take the courses in the classroom? >> I am debating which is better. >> If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need >> to >> go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in >> my >> own quiet time, at my chosen location. >> Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? >> I will be making a choice soon! >> >> Rod Alcidonis >> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >> Roger Williams University School of Law >> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >> Bristol, RI 02809 >> Cell: 718-704-4651 >> Home: 401-824-8685 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "john" >> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >> >> >>>I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >>>were >>> on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic >>> format. >>> Take care, >>> John >>> >>> John Ramsey Esq. >>> >>> Gainesville, FL 32609 >>> >>> Phone: (352) 505-6642 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >>> >>> >>> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the >>> format >>> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking >>> the >>> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. >>> Could >>> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there >>> today? >>> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I >>> would >>> appreciate any input you can give me. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Joy Relon -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >>> >>> >>> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than >>> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) >>> From: kdb >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory >>> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones >>> and >>> other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be >>> made >>> speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable >>> throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold >>> without >>> adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When >>> approached >>> regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for >>> accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of >>> hearing >>> but >>> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored >>> regarding >>> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. >>> >>> kdbenterprises >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM >>> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >>> >>> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than >>> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) >>> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) >>> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) >>> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 >>> From: tim and vickie shaw >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs >>> To: >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>> these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it >>> does >>> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service >>> law >>> or >>> for a nonprofit >>> >>> http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php >>> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml >>> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >>>> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: >>>> Friday, >>> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> >>> Subject: >>> [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to >>> free >>> tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> >>> Cordially,> >>> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) >>> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw >>> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >>> unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >>>> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >>>> blindlaw >>> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >>> unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot >>> mail.com >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are >>> part >>> of >>> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 >>> From: "Ray Wayne" >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>> Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>> Ray >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Andrews" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >- >>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>> >school >>>> >students >>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>> >Students >>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >>>> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >>>> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >>>> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >>>> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >>>> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >>>> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected >>>> to >>>> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>>> far >>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>>> donor, >>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>> >>>>>>>c:ma >>> i >>>> > >>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>>> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 >>> From: "Rod Alcidonis" >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the >>> MPRE >>> this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. >>> >>> Rod Alcidonis >>> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >>> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >>> Roger Williams University School of Law >>> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >>> Bristol, RI 02809 >>> Cell: 718-704-4651 >>> Home: 401-824-8685 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ray Wayne" >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> >>> >>>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "David Andrews" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >- >>>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>>> >school >>>>> >students >>>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>>> >Students >>>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>>>> >far >>>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>>>> >donor, >>>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>>>> >University >>>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>sc:ma >>>> i >>>>> > >>>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >>>> c.rr.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. >>> com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) >>> From: Leslie Fairall >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >>> >>> As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law >>> school >>> is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you >>> have >>> to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at >>> the >>> moment. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >>> *************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >>> *************************************** >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: >>> 11/9/2008 >>> 2:14 PM >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com >> >> >> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all >> other >> Holiday needs. Search Now. >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from >> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jackchenonline%40hotmail.com > From joramsey at cox.net Mon Nov 10 11:31:46 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:31:46 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] BAR/BRI Accommodations Message-ID: <40E519F5C83B4C7D8933B68056882EC9@noneeb869fea9a> Hello All, I received the BAR/BRI course on CD because the IPOD was inaccessible, so that was a great option for me. I think they might be getting away from the CD package as much as they can due to costs and of course for the fear that the lectures might be copied. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 From garysherwig at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 12:57:54 2008 From: garysherwig at hotmail.com (Gary Herwig) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:57:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> References: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> Message-ID: I found PMBR to be quite helpful. I purchased the CDs used from someone on eBay.> From: relton30857 at cox.net> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:43:51 -0500> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials> > Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the format> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. Could> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there today?> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would> appreciate any input you can give me.> > Sincerely,> > Joy Relon -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7> > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST)> From: kdb > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and> other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made> speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable> throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold without> adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached> regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for> accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing but> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue.> > kdbenterprises> > > > > ________________________________> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6> > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw)> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne)> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis)> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000> From: tim and vickie shaw > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it does> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law or> for a nonprofit> > http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html> > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org > > [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday,> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject:> [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to free> tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,>> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352)> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,> change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit> > ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,> change your list options or> get your account info for blindlaw:>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot> mail.com> _________________________________________________________________> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500> From: "Ray Wayne" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile!> Ray> > ----- Original Message -----> From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> > > >> > >Anybody want to transfer?> >> >> > Dave> >> >> >> >> > >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC> > >Irvine law school students]> > >> > >> > >-> > >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school> > >students> > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800> > >From: Anne Ward > > >> > >> > >> > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class> > >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST> > >By Debra Cassens Weiss> > >Students> > >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine > > >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is > > >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first > > >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports.> > >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs> > >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract> > >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to> > >cost the school about $6 million, he said.> > >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far> > >raised about a third of the money.> > >The story also reports that the law school had originally called> > >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor,> > >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University> > >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools.> >> > >c:ma> i> > >> > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com>> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c> om> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500> From: "Rod Alcidonis" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE > this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year.> > Rod Alcidonis> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.> Roger Williams University School of Law> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003> Bristol, RI 02809> Cell: 718-704-4651> Home: 401-824-8685> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> > > > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile!> > Ray> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "David Andrews" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM> > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> >> >> >>> >> >Anybody want to transfer?> >>> >>> >> Dave> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC> >> >Irvine law school students]> >> >> >> >> >> >-> >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law > >> >school> >> >students> >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800> >> >From: Anne Ward > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class> >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST> >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss> >> >Students> >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in > >> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law > >> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to > >> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal > >> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external > >> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to > >> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is > >> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said.> >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far> >> >raised about a third of the money.> >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called> >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor,> >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University> >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools.> >>> >> >>sc:ma> > i> >> >> >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw mailing list> >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > blindlaw:> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny> > c.rr.c> > om> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.> com> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST)> From: Leslie Fairall > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed> > As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school > is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have > to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the > moment.> > > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6> ***************************************> > > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7> ***************************************> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garysherwig%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 From AZNOR99 at aol.com Mon Nov 10 13:23:15 2008 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:23:15 EST Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials Message-ID: I did the early sign-up for BarBri and saved more than $800. If you sign up during your first year, you lock in that rate for yourself. No matter how much the course goes up, you pay what it cost during the year you signed up. You also get the MPRE study session and materials included for free. You will also get the 1L and Advanced Law Course Guides, which have really good outlines and study materials for courses covered on the Bar Exam. I even sometimes refer to the 1L, Advanced Law School Study Materials, and Bar Exam materials in my practice when I need a quick refresher. So, Leslie, my advice is to do the early registration if 1) you're sure you want to take BarBri for the bar exam, and 2) you have the money to spare now. Ronza In a message dated 11/10/2008 7:13:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jackchenonline at hotmail.com writes: Hello Leslie I'm not a Rep for Barbri, so I'm not biased. However, about 95 percent of the people I know took Barbri. Therefore, if there is a discount, I would jump on it. I would, even though it isn't usually a problem, confirm that they will give you the materials in home study format. jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Fairall" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >A follow-up to this question. Our law school has student representatives >from Bar/bri that are trying to convince us to sign up now as first-year >law students. 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Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Chen" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > Rod > > I also took the Barbri courses at home. They provided me with all of the > lectures on CD and the files electronically (Can't remember if they are > Word Perfect or Word). The only thing that I remember having trouble with > was the study schedule -- it was in PDF. However, I just had someone read > it to me early on. > > As a second note, I also took PMBR for the Multistate, which was equally > as accomodating. > > One other thing that I found helpful was to figure out how I was going to > take the exam and simulate it. NCBE refused to give me the exam in > computer format, despite my protests that I would not be practicing law > with a reader, and that it wouldn't measure my abilities. They were only > willing to give me the exam on casette, so I recorded my computer reading > the entire practice exams at approximately the speed I thought I would > listen to the exam. Then, on practice day, I took the exam just as I > would on the real day with the casette. > > Hope this helps and good luck. > > jack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod Alcidonis" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:37 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > >> Thanks, Ronza. I will seek further advice from you soon. >> >> Rod Alcidonis >> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >> Roger Williams University School of Law >> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >> Bristol, RI 02809 >> Cell: 718-704-4651 >> Home: 401-824-8685 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >> >> >>>I took the Bar Exam two years ago. I registered for and took BarBri, >>>which >>> worked out very well. They provided me with all the course materials >>> in >>> electronic format, though it was WordPerfect. Such files can be easily >>> converted >>> to Word format though, so don't let that be a deterrent. I physically >>> attended all of the classes, and I highly recommend you do the same. >>> The >>> instructors give all kinds of useful tips that don't appear in the >>> written >>> materials. I actually could hear the ConLaw and CivPro professors in >>> my head during >>> the exam, and I know I did better because of it. They also have an >>> Ipod >>> upgrade option, so you pay a little more and receive an Ipod with the >>> lectures >>> already programmed onto it. I also opted for this, and it helped when >>> I had to >>> miss a physical lecture or needed to go over some material more >>> thoroughly. >>> But this is not an Ipod you can sync with your computer or ITunes, as >>> it will >>> wipe itself if you do. If you can figure out a way to access it, it's >>> great. If not, it'd be a waste of money. For me, I put it under a >>> CCTV and >>> selected the lectures I needed for that day. Or, you can just start it >>> playing >>> and move forward until you find the lecture you want by listening for >>> it. >>> >>> I registered for PMBR, but I didn't go to the lectures because of a >>> family >>> emergency. But I did use the materials they sent, which took the format >>> of >>> electronic documents sent to me on a CD. This was most useful for the >>> practice >>> exams and question bank. If you want to study for the MBE only, PMBR >>> might >>> be a better bet, as it is much cheaper than BarBri. If you're taking >>> an >>> entire exam, I highly recommend BarBri. >>> >>> Feel free to email me off-list if you would like to chat with someone >>> who's >>> done it before. _aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) . Good >>> luck. >>> >>> Ronza >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> roddj12 at hotmail.com writes: >>> >>> John, did you take the courses in the classroom? >>> I am debating which is better. >>> If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need >>> to >>> go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that >>> in my >>> own quiet time, at my chosen location. >>> Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? >>> I will be making a choice soon! >>> >>> Rod Alcidonis >>> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >>> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >>> Roger Williams University School of Law >>> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >>> Bristol, RI 02809 >>> Cell: 718-704-4651 >>> Home: 401-824-8685 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "john" >>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >>> >>> >>>>I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >>>>were >>>> on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic >>>> format. >>>> Take care, >>>> John >>>> >>>> John Ramsey Esq. >>>> >>>> Gainesville, FL 32609 >>>> >>>> Phone: (352) 505-6642 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM >>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the >>>> format >>>> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking >>>> the >>>> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. >>>> Could >>>> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there >>>> today? >>>> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I >>>> would >>>> appreciate any input you can give me. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Joy Relon -----Original Message----- >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM >>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >>>> >>>> >>>> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than >>>> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) >>>> From: kdb >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory >>>> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones >>>> and >>>> other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be >>>> made >>>> speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable >>>> throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold >>>> without >>>> adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When >>>> approached >>>> regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for >>>> accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of >>>> hearing >>>> but >>>> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored >>>> regarding >>>> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. >>>> >>>> kdbenterprises >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" >>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM >>>> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >>>> >>>> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than >>>> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) >>>> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) >>>> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) >>>> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 >>>> From: tim and vickie shaw >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs >>>> To: >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> >>>> these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it >>>> does >>>> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service >>>> law >>>> or >>>> for a nonprofit >>>> >>>> http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php >>>> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml >>>> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >>>>> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: >>>>> Friday, >>>> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> >>>> Subject: >>>> [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to >>>> free >>>> tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> >>>> Cordially,> >>>> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) >>>> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> >>>> blindlaw >>>> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >>>> unsubscribe, >>>> change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >>>>> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >>>>> blindlaw >>>> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >>>> unsubscribe, >>>> change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot >>>> mail.com >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are >>>> part >>>> of >>>> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 >>>> From: "Ray Wayne" >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>>> Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "David Andrews" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >- >>>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>>> >school >>>>> >students >>>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>>> >Students >>>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>>> >Irvine >>>>> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >>>>> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >>>>> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >>>>> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >>>>> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >>>>> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected >>>>> to >>>>> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>>>> far >>>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>>>> donor, >>>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>>>> >University >>>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>c:ma >>>> i >>>>> > >>>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 >>>> From: "Rod Alcidonis" >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the >>>> MPRE >>>> this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. >>>> >>>> Rod Alcidonis >>>> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >>>> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >>>> Roger Williams University School of Law >>>> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >>>> Bristol, RI 02809 >>>> Cell: 718-704-4651 >>>> Home: 401-824-8685 >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ray Wayne" >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> >>>> >>>>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>>>> Ray >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "David Andrews" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >- >>>>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>>>> >school >>>>>> >students >>>>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>>>> >Students >>>>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>>>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>>>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>>>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>>>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>>>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>>>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>>>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has >>>>>> >so >>>>>> >far >>>>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>>>>> >donor, >>>>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>>>>> >University >>>>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC >>>>>> >schools. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>sc:ma >>>>> i >>>>>> > >>>>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >>>>> c.rr.c >>>>> om >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. >>>> com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) >>>> From: Leslie Fairall >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >>>> >>>> As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law >>>> school >>>> is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. 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Search Now. >>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from >>> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jackchenonline%40hotmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From fairall at shellworld.net Mon Nov 10 15:56:16 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for everyone's advice on Bar/Bri. I will check into how much it costs. I have a copy of Wordperfect 6.1 on my computer anyway, and many of my books from the West Group came in that format. The only thing I will need to do is to convert the wpd files to doc files to my notetaker when I'm traveling, which is no big deal. From APrevost at Sidley.com Mon Nov 10 16:40:20 2008 From: APrevost at Sidley.com (Prevost, Ann Marie) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:40:20 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Hello- I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. Has anyone had any experience with this? I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so helpful to me. Ann Marie Prevost Ann Marie Prevost Sidley Austin LLP 787 Seventh Avenue New York, New York 10019 aprevost at sidley.com 212-839-5408 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury regulations, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed on such taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax advice is used or referred to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as written in connection with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed in this communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayer's particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. **************************************************************************************************** This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify us immediately. **************************************************************************************************** From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 17:38:48 2008 From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:38:48 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Briefly, testing is a topic covered under the ADA. If the City of New York is giving this test, as a recipient of federal funds §504 of the Rehabilitation act may come into play. Based upon some cases I have been involved in, I also know that the City of New York has its own anti-discrimination ordinance. That ordinance may be of help to you. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Prevost, Ann Marie Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:40 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] IQ Testing Hello- I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. Has anyone had any experience with this? I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so helpful to me. Ann Marie Prevost Ann Marie Prevost Sidley Austin LLP 787 Seventh Avenue New York, New York 10019 aprevost at sidley.com 212-839-5408 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury regulations, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed on such taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax advice is used or referred to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as written in connection with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed in this communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayer's particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. **************************************************************************** ************************ This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify us immediately. **************************************************************************** ************************ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 10 18:47:09 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:47:09 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: I'm confident everyone who is on this list who is blind has had that experience. Sorry. On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: > Hello- > > I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually > impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes > this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a > particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have > come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested > within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off > for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's > score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they > supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. > However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter > how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not > receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these > tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can > possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I > wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > > My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school > my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What > upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of > insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to > exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took > the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! > > What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take > other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > > Has anyone had any experience with this? > > I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so > helpful to me. > > Ann Marie Prevost > > Ann Marie Prevost > Sidley Austin LLP > 787 Seventh Avenue > New York, New York 10019 > aprevost at sidley.com > 212-839-5408 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury > regulations, we inform you > that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this > communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to > be used, and cannot be > used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that > may be imposed on such > taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such > tax advice is used or referred > to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any > partnership or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be > construed as written in connection > with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or > matter(s) addressed in this > communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the > taxpayer's particular > circumstances from an independent tax advisor. > **************************************************************************************************** > This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that > is privileged or confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and > any attachments and notify us > immediately. > **************************************************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From mpeskoe at insightbb.com Mon Nov 10 19:10:53 2008 From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:10:53 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6u4f2q$1ptq61@asav00.insightbb.com> Please consider contacting Barbara Cheadle at the NFB National Center in Baltimore. She is the President of the National Organization of Blind Children. The group also has a listerv much like this one. I think you will find many people with similar stories as yours there. Good luck. Melanie -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Weisberg Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:47 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] IQ Testing I'm confident everyone who is on this list who is blind has had that experience. Sorry. On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: > Hello- > > I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually > impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes > this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a > particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have > come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested > within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off > for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's > score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they > supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. > However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter > how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not > receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these > tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can > possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I > wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > > My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school > my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What > upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of > insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to > exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took > the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! > > What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take > other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > > Has anyone had any experience with this? > > I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so > helpful to me. > > Ann Marie Prevost > > Ann Marie Prevost > Sidley Austin LLP > 787 Seventh Avenue > New York, New York 10019 > aprevost at sidley.com > 212-839-5408 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury > regulations, we inform you > that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this > communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to > be used, and cannot be > used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that > may be imposed on such > taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such > tax advice is used or referred > to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any > partnership or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be > construed as written in connection > with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or > matter(s) addressed in this > communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the > taxpayer's particular > circumstances from an independent tax advisor. > **************************************************************************** ************************ > This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that > is privileged or confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and > any attachments and notify us > immediately. > **************************************************************************** ************************ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%4 0sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mpeskoe%40insightb b.com From mikefry79 at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 19:12:05 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:12:05 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811101112m31a02671y3b22fe3feee03e99@mail.gmail.com> I think, visual information enters the mind and is processed virtually effortlessly whereas verbal information builds on top of itself through time. The more extensive a vocabulary is and the more concepts an individual has been exposed to will likely increase an IQ score. It's hard to imagine how a visually impaired 4 year old with a necessarily limited vocabulary and episodic imagination because of her age can have an accurately measured I.Q. The IQ is probably accurate of her performance compared to her peers however it is probably not indicative of future performance as it would be with other children since she is an outlier subject because she unlike all the other members in the statistical sample is visually disabled. I'm no expert but I'd recommend tons of audio books read by professional readers so her mind can be enriched with an extensive vocabulary and concepts that would otherwise likely be inaccessible. Don't necessarily pick commerically successful books like Harry Potter because many of them are geared towards less educated idiots. Charles Dickens, biographies, and others are probably good choices in addition to pop culture. Going the extra mile while she's young will likely pay off. Remember Obama's story about his mother waking him up early in the morning while he was elementary school to study. She said to him "this is no picnic for me either buster." The point is, is that IQ test are statistical measures. Statistics can only describe likely outcomes of a population, however statistics should never be used to describe an individual. Your assumption and concern that the IQ test has little to no utility in describing your daughter is correct because your daughter is a far outlier and the test no matter if accommodations were made isn't designed for her at this age. In ten years however, after plenty of her peers have been screwed-up on drugs, or by uncaring parents, or bad influencing older siblings and your daughters vocabulary has been extensively enriched beyond her peers because she's read all the classics and knows the biographies of all great Americans then the test will likely have more utility as it will get her into Harvard or some other prestigious school. Mike On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: > Hello- > > I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually > impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes this > interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a particular Gifted > and Talented program in the City. The results have come in. I am not > surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested within 2 points of each > other and will very easily make the cut-off for at least some of the G&T > programs in the City. My daughter's score was more than 20 points less then > the boys. Yes they supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I > believe. However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter > how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not receive her > information the same way. Maybe when she is older these tests will even out > - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can possibly be accurate. If she > had been 5 or 10 points behind I wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > > My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school my older > son is already in. However, that is not the point. What upsets me is that we > are supposed to accept this score instead of insisting on a test for the > visually impaired - which don't seem to exist. Heck, I would like to test > all the other children who took the test on the things she knows and > does!!!!!! > > What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take other > tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > > Has anyone had any experience with this? > > I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so helpful > to me. > > Ann Marie Prevost > > Ann Marie Prevost > Sidley Austin LLP > 787 Seventh Avenue > New York, New York 10019 > aprevost at sidley.com > 212-839-5408 > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury > regulations, we inform you > that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this > communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be > used, and cannot be > used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may be > imposed on such > taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax > advice is used or referred > to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any partnership > or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as > written in connection > with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or > matter(s) addressed in this > communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the > taxpayer's particular > circumstances from an independent tax advisor. > > **************************************************************************************************** > This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is > privileged or confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any > attachments and notify us > immediately. > > **************************************************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 10 20:30:54 2008 From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:30:54 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: Message-ID: <056401c94373$3baad040$6601a8c0@server> Hi Rod, I have taken several of the Barbri courses using audio cassettes, electronic books, and outlines all provided by Barbri. Taking the classroom course would not have worked as well for me, because I would have been working at the pace of the instructor rather than my own. A typical Barbri classroom course lasts approximately 2 months, but I always spent longer than that length of time studying. I have passed the California, Illinois, Oregon and New York bar exams using the Barbri materials. They are excellent. All the best, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Alcidonis" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > John, did you take the courses in the classroom? > I am debating which is better. > If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need to > go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in > my own quiet time, at my chosen location. > Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? > I will be making a choice soon! > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > >>I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >>were >> on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic >> format. >> Take care, >> John >> >> John Ramsey Esq. >> >> Gainesville, FL 32609 >> >> Phone: (352) 505-6642 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >> >> >> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the >> format >> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the >> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. >> Could >> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there >> today? >> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would >> appreciate any input you can give me. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Joy Relon -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) >> From: kdb >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory >> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and >> other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made >> speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable >> throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold >> without >> adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached >> regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for >> accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing >> but >> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding >> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. >> >> kdbenterprises >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) >> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) >> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) >> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 >> From: tim and vickie shaw >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it >> does >> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law >> or >> for a nonprofit >> >> http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php >> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml >> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >>> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, >> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: >> [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to >> free >> tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> >> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) >> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >>> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >>> blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot >> mail.com >> _________________________________________________________________ >> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part >> of >> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >>> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >>> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >>> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >>> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >>> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >>> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >>> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>> >far >>> >raised about a third of the money. >>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>c:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c >> om >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 >> From: "Rod Alcidonis" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the >> MPRE >> this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. >> >> Rod Alcidonis >> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >> Roger Williams University School of Law >> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >> Bristol, RI 02809 >> Cell: 718-704-4651 >> Home: 401-824-8685 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>> Ray >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Andrews" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >- >>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>> >school >>>> >students >>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>> >Students >>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>>> >far >>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>> >>>>>>>sc:ma >>> i >>>> > >>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >>> c.rr.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. >> com >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) >> From: Leslie Fairall >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law >> school >> is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you >> have >> to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at >> the >> moment. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> *************************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> *************************************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 >> 2:14 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net From b75205 at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 21:40:36 2008 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:40:36 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Well this is what I have been pointing out that the testing facilities are not designing tests that accommodate the blind. They are only concerned with Section 508 compliance and not a whole solution. You and I know that Section 508 is rather meaningless unless they actually care enough to test their form or page using a real screen reader. I just received an email from the Access Board where they were commenting on the Accessibility of the EAC, the Elections Assistance Commission where they managed to find some features of the EAC website to be accessible to the blind according to Section 508 and they seemed pleased with that accomplishment. But Accessibility is not solved by fixing only a few items. It is an either or situation, not step by step. You are either accessible or you are not. The feeling that I find in government is that the blind should be happy with what they have, that the blind are a class of sub humans that should be happy with whatever scraps they receive from the table. This is appalling but I see it in the previous discussion on going to law school. Where you are requesting that they make the testing accessible as if there should be some sort of delay, that the technology does not exist to do it now. Oh please Mr law school please be nice. You should be demanding that they do this or CLOSE THEM DOWN under Section 504. Take their federal money. No more student loans. No more grants, CLOSE THEM DOWN! This is a disgrace. Stop this wimpy attitude and get them! The laws are on the books, this behavior is wrong. Who here has the guts to stand up for the blind? Where are you, what is this garbage! The technology exists. There is no excuse. Stand up and be counted and fight these people and force them into compliance! This little kid is being labeled mentally deficient because some bureaucrat refuses to obey the law. I faced this same type of problem when I was a kid, I was on crutches for the first 15 years of my life and the State of New Jersey had no provision for the disabled and so their solution was to fail all the disabled kids from Gym. The Gym teachers were idiots who regularly made fun of the disabled students and the teachers did not have the brain capacity to realize that we were capable we just need the curriculum changed. Yes this was illegal, cruel, but nobody enforces the law because everyone who is capable of enforcing the law are wimps. Fortunately my college figured out that the state bureaucrats of new jersey were neanderthals and they accepted me into college. If your kid was Hispanic and they refused to give that kid the test in Spanish you could sue them because of the status of the Hispanics under the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. They are a class of people to be protected from this type of discrimination. So why is it OK for the blind to be discriminated like this? And why are you lawyers all laying down and not doing anything about it? If you are under the impression that the technology does not exist, it exists, they just refuse to use it. And notice that the states are not concerned about the costs of changing documents and forms into spanish but they are concerned for the blind. This is just discrimination, that's all it is! In this past election, none, I repeat none of the voter registration forms were accessible to the blind. There are 10 million blind people who are eligible to vote according to Jim Dickson of the American Association of People with Disabilities. The states were required to be accessible to the blind in every law passed on voting rights and accessibility rights for the past 35 years. Each of these laws required specifically that voter registration be made accessible to the law, and it is written into 6 laws so clearly they have never complied and Congress had to write it into law 6 times. So why are the blind not a class to be protected under the Voting Rights Act? The consequences of non compliance is the removal of electors for the states, for both the electoral college and the House of Representatives and the redistricting of the states. The States would go ape if they there forced to redistrict let alone loose members of Congress. They would do anything to comply. It is all there in the law all you have to do is go before the DC US District Court a three judge panel is set up to hear these cases in an election. This is the same law that was used to punish the southern states under Reconstruction and that was because 4 million people were denied the right to vote. It is the same law, the 14th Amendment Section 2. We could not bring this before the election day because the states are discriminating in the election and they were not guilt of the crime until all the votes were cast. This is because many states have voter registration on election day. But you can attack this now before the electoral college meets because the crime is still active it can still be fixed. It will not make a difference to the outcome, but it will cause the states to Integrate the Blind. The lawyers who would normally use this law represent one side or the other in the political debate, and they have no vested interest in bringing the discrimination case of the blind to this court. This is because the consequences of violating the Voting Rights Act is to remove elector, remove members of Congress from ALL the states and the last thing they want to do is upset their political clients. So this has to be done by YOU the blind lawyers. That is if you really want to Integrate the blind, or if you want to do things piece-meal and rely on ADA law to do this bit by bit in the states. Or you can have three federal judges do a sweeping action which would probably result in the reconstruction of the Access Board, cause each state to create an auditing agency of their Section 508 compliance which would audit their IT people to determine if they actually know what they are doing, Change section 508 to include testing with real world solutions like JAWS and Window Eyes and bring everyone into W3c compliance and it will enable legislation to integrate the blind into the private sector and expand accessibility nationwide. And of course you the blind lawyers would be involved in actually integrating the blind all over this nation with real solutions and not all this little stuff of trying to get government agencies to make things section 508 compliant. Do you like begging for access that is a right for everyone else in our society. If the states are willing to deny the right to vote to the blind, then this shows just how much contempt they have for the law in every other aspect. You all see this, it is about time we demand change! Who here is willing to fight the fight? Or you can continue to beg for the scraps under the table. You need evidence, I fought the fight and I have correspondence from the EAC and the states where they refuse to integrate the blind. Where the state of Washington actually put it in writing that they were not required to make voter registration forms accessible to the blind. There is just too much money in not solving the problem. The Rehabilitation Act set up a huge government agency whose sole existence is to solve accessibility and they will continue to solve it for a thousand years because there is no incentive to actually fix anything, only to try to fix the problem. If they fix the problem then the agency disappears. I want the agency to disappear, we need to solve this once and for all! There is just too much money in keeping the problem alive. The result is the involuntary servitude of 10 million people. This is a national disgrace. Sincerely James G. Pepper 214-360-0622 PS if you don't want to fight the fight, do you all know anyone with any guts in France or Britain? On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: > Hello- > > I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually > impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes this > interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a particular Gifted > and Talented program in the City. The results have come in. I am not > surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested within 2 points of each > other and will very easily make the cut-off for at least some of the G&T > programs in the City. My daughter's score was more than 20 points less then > the boys. Yes they supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I > believe. However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter > how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not receive her > information the same way. Maybe when she is older these tests will even out > - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can possibly be accurate. If she > had been 5 or 10 points behind I wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > > My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school my older > son is already in. However, that is not the point. What upsets me is that we > are supposed to accept this score instead of insisting on a test for the > visually impaired - which don't seem to exist. Heck, I would like to test > all the other children who took the test on the things she knows and > does!!!!!! > > What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take other > tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > > Has anyone had any experience with this? > > I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so helpful > to me. > > Ann Marie Prevost > > Ann Marie Prevost > Sidley Austin LLP > 787 Seventh Avenue > New York, New York 10019 > aprevost at sidley.com > 212-839-5408 > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury > regulations, we inform you > that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this > communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be > used, and cannot be > used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may be > imposed on such > taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax > advice is used or referred > to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any partnership > or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as > written in connection > with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or > matter(s) addressed in this > communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the > taxpayer's particular > circumstances from an independent tax advisor. > > **************************************************************************************************** > This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is > privileged or confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any > attachments and notify us > immediately. > > **************************************************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com Tue Nov 11 02:24:05 2008 From: RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com (Ray Wayne) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:24:05 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <001601c943a4$921c5e40$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Actually, the NYC Human Rights Law excludes coverage as to matters that are "educational or pedagogic in nature." I know because I work for the Commission on Human Rights. The US Dept. of Education, Office for Civil Rights should be the place to go. Please contact me off-list. Ray Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr." To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] IQ Testing Briefly, testing is a topic covered under the ADA. If the City of New York is giving this test, as a recipient of federal funds §504 of the Rehabilitation act may come into play. Based upon some cases I have been involved in, I also know that the City of New York has its own anti-discrimination ordinance. That ordinance may be of help to you. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Prevost, Ann Marie Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:40 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] IQ Testing Hello- I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. Has anyone had any experience with this? I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so helpful to me. Ann Marie Prevost Ann Marie Prevost Sidley Austin LLP 787 Seventh Avenue New York, New York 10019 aprevost at sidley.com 212-839-5408 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury regulations, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed on such taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify us immediately. **************************************************************************** ************************ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om From AZNOR99 at aol.com Tue Nov 11 03:20:22 2008 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:20:22 EST Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing Message-ID: Anne Marie, Please contact me off-list at _ro at browngold.com_ (mailto:ro at browngold.com) . I have some questions for you, and we may possibly have some direction we can take. But I need more information and also to talk to some people before I can be sure. Regards, Ronza Othman In a message dated 11/10/2008 2:09:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net writes: I'm confident everyone who is on this list who is blind has had that experience. Sorry. On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: > Hello- > > I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually > impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes > this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a > particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have > come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested > within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off > for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's > score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they > supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. > However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter > how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not > receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these > tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can > possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I > wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > > My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school > my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What > upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of > insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to > exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took > the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! > > What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take > other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > > Has anyone had any experience with this? > > I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so > helpful to me. > > Ann Marie Prevost > > Ann Marie Prevost > Sidley Austin LLP > 787 Seventh Avenue > New York, New York 10019 > aprevost at sidley.com > 212-839-5408 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury > regulations, we inform you > that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this > communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to > be used, and cannot be > used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that > may be imposed on such > taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. 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Dave At 10:40 AM 11/10/2008, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: >Hello- > >I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually >impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes >this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a >particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have >come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested >within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off >for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's >score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they >supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. >However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter >how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not >receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these >tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can >possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I >wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > >My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school >my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What >upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of >insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to >exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took >the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! > >What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take >other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > >Has anyone had any experience with this? > >I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so >helpful to me. > >Ann Marie Prevost > >Ann Marie Prevost >Sidley Austin LLP >787 Seventh Avenue >New York, New York 10019 >aprevost at sidley.com >212-839-5408 > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury >regulations, we inform you >that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice >contained in this >communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to >be used, and cannot be >used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that >may be imposed on such >taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such >tax advice is used or referred >to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any >partnership or other entity, >investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be >construed as written in connection >with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or >matter(s) addressed in this >communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the >taxpayer's particular >circumstances from an independent tax advisor. >**************************************************************************************************** >This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that >is privileged or confidential. >If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and >any attachments and notify us >immediately. >**************************************************************************************************** > >_______________________________________________ >blindlaw mailing list >blindlaw at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for blindlaw: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: >11/10/2008 7:53 AM From dandrews at visi.com Tue Nov 11 12:16:26 2008 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:16:26 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: [Blindvet-talk] Revised rule on visual disorders of the eye Message-ID: > >All Vets, >Notice from Jim McCarthy in Baltimore. >Read on Please. >Dwight > > > >____________________________________ > From: JMcCarthy at nfb.org >To: MisterAdvocate at aol.com >Sent: 11/10/2008 2:36:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time >Subj: Revised rule on visual disorders of the eye > > >Dwight, >This is the veteran's revised rule on disabilities of the eye. It has >been under consideration from 1998 and perhaps some here were aware of >that, but because there was no discussion of the rule, I was not. The >rule becomes final after December 10 and here it is as published in the >federal Register. >Jim McCarthy > >FR Doc E8-26304[Federal Register: November 10, 2008 (Volume 73, Number >218)] >[Rules and Regulations] >[Page 66543-66554] > >From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov] >[DOCID:fr10no08-17] > >======================================================================= >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS > >38 CFR Part 4 > >RIN 2900-AH43 > > >Schedule for Rating Disabilities; Eye > >AGENCY: Department of Veterans Affairs. > >ACTION: Final rule. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SUMMARY: This document amends the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) >Schedule for Rating Disabilities (Rating Schedule) by updating the >portion of the schedule that addresses disabilities of the eye. These >amendments ensure that the schedule uses current medical terminology, >provides unambiguous criteria for evaluating disabilities, and > >[[Page 66544]] > >incorporates pertinent medical advances. > >DATES: Effective Date: This amendment is effective December 10, 2008. >Applicability Date: These amendments shall apply to all >applications for benefits received by VA on or after December 10, 2008. > >FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Maya Ferrandino, Consultant, Policy >and Regulations Staff (211D), Compensation and Pension Service, >Veterans Benefits Administration, Department of Veterans Affairs, 810 >Vermont Ave., NW., Washington, DC, 20420, (727) 319-5847. (This is not >a toll-free number.) > >SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: As part of its review of the Schedule for >Rating Disabilities (38 CFR part 4), VA published a proposal to amend >the portion of the schedule pertaining to the eye in the Federal >Register of May 11, 1999 (64 FR 25246-25258). Interested persons were >invited to submit written comments on or before July 12, 1999. We >received comments from the Disabled American Veterans, the Blinded >Veterans Association, and one other interested party. > >Section 4.75 General Considerations for Evaluating Visual Impairment > >We proposed to add paragraph (c) to Sec. 4.75 to codify the >longstanding VA practice that when visual impairment of only one eye is >service-connected, either directly or by aggravation, the visual acuity >of the nonservice-connected eye must be considered to be 20/40, subject >to the provisions of 38 CFR 3.383(a). Section 3.383(a) directs that >when there is blindness in one eye as a result of service-connected >disability and blindness in the other eye as a result of nonservice- >connected disability, VA will pay compensation as if both were service- >connected. >We also proposed to remove current Sec. 4.78, which provides a >method of determining the level of disability when the visual >impairment is aggravated during military service. As stated in the >proposed rule, Sec. 4.78 is not consistent with VA's method of >evaluating visual impairment incurred in service in one eye only, nor >is it consistent with VA's statutory scheme governing VA benefits. Its >application may, in some cases, result in a higher evaluation for a >condition that is aggravated by service than for an identical condition >incurred in service, which is not equitable. Section 4.78 is also >inconsistent with the method of evaluating other paired organs, such as >the hands, where only the service-connected hand is evaluated, >regardless of the status of the nonservice-connected hand, subject to >the provisions of Sec. 3.383(a). >One commenter challenges the rule proposed in Sec. 4.75(c) as >contrary to legal authority and long-standing VA practice. According to >the commenter, the proper rating of visual disability always considers: >(1) The vision of each eye, regardless of whether the origin of the >service-connected disability is one or both eyes and (2) the entire >disability, regardless of whether service connection is based on >incurrence or aggravation. The commenter stated that ``service >connection is always bilateral in the legal sense.'' The commenter >stated that VA used the term ``service connected'' in current Sec. >4.78 in its literal sense and that the nonservice-connected visual >impairment to which Sec. 4.78 refers ``denotes the origin of the >disability, not its legal status.'' The commenter further asserted that >``service connection attaches to the impairment of function or >disability and not to the organ or body part per se'' and that >``service connection is accordingly established for visual impairment >that is incurred in or aggravated by service and is not limited to the >eye with the service-related disability.'' The commenter cited VA's >Office of the General Counsel opinion VAOPGC 25-60 (9-13-60) and 38 >U.S.C. 1160 in support of these assertions. >To an extent, the commenter is correct that the proper rating of >visual disability always considers the vision of each eye, regardless >of whether the origin of the service-connected disability is one or >both eyes. However, if visual impairment of only one eye is service- >connected, the vision in the other eye is considered to be normal, >i.e., 20/40. To do otherwise would violate 38 CFR 4.14, which provides >that ``the use of manifestations not resulting from service-connected >disease or injury in establishing the service-connected evaluation * * >* [is] to be avoided.'' Proposed Sec. 4.75(c) merely states long- >standing VA practice in this regard. >The commenter is mistaken about the entire disability being >considered, regardless of whether service connection is based on >incurrence or aggravation. As 38 CFR 4.22 plainly states: ``In cases >involving aggravation by active service, the rating will reflect only >the degree of disability over and above the degree existing at the time >of entrance into the active service * * *. It is necessary therefore, >in all cases of this character[,] to deduct from the present degree of >disability the degree, if ascertainable, of the disability existing at >the time of entrance into active service. * * *'' >Although there are certain specified exceptions (such as 38 U.S.C. >1151 and 1160), generally the statutes governing VA benefits authorize >compensation for service-connected disability only. 38 U.S.C. 101(13), >1110, 1131. Only disabilities that result from injury or disease >incurred or aggravated in service may be service connected. 38 U.S.C. >1110, 1131; 38 CFR 3.310(a). VAOPGC 25-60 addressed whether VA had >authority to award a 100-percent disability rating for visual >impairment where there is service-connected loss or loss of use of one >eye and nonservice-connected loss or loss of use of the other eye >arising after service. The opinion held that VA did not have statutory >authority to compensate veterans for nonservice-connected visual >disability arising after service. However, Congress later provided an >exception in 38 U.S.C. 1160. If a veteran has visual impairment in one >eye as a result of service-connected disability and visual impairment >in the other eye as a result of nonservice-connected disability not the >result of the veteran's own willful misconduct and either (1) the >impairment of visual acuity in each eye is rated at a visual acuity of >20/200 or less or (2) the peripheral field of vision for each eye is 20 >degrees or less, VA must pay compensation to the veteran as if the >combination of both disabilities were the result of service-connected >disability. 38 U.S.C. 1160(a). Thus, VA's authority to consider >nonservice-connected visual disability for compensation purposes is >limited to the circumstances described in section 1160(a). Absent the >degree of visual impairment in both eyes prescribed in section 1160(a), >nonservice-connected visual disability is not compensable and therefore >not to be considered when rating service-connected disability. Where a >claimant has a service-connected disability of only one eye and a >nonservice-connected visual impairment but not of the degree prescribed >by section 1160(a) in the other eye, deeming the nonservice-connected >eye as having a visual acuity of 20/40 results in accurate evaluations >that are based solely upon service-connected visual impairment. Our >proposal to deem the nonservice-connected eye as having a visual acuity >of 20/40 is consistent with current law. We make no change based upon >this comment. >This commenter also asserted that VA should consider hearing loss >less than total deafness and visual impairment less than blindness when >evaluating impairment of the nonservice-connected ear and eye, >respectively. The > >[[Page 66545]] > >commenter disagreed with VA's Office of the General Counsel opinion >VAOPGCPREC 32-97, which interpreted the statutes governing compensation >for service-connected disabilities and concluded that where a claimant >has service-connected hearing loss in one ear and nonservice-connected >hearing loss in the other ear, for purposes of evaluating the service- >connected disability, the hearing in the ear with nonservice-connected >hearing loss should be considered normal, unless the claimant is >totally deaf in both ears. The issue raised by the commenter was mooted >by the Veterans Benefits Act of 2002, Public Law 107-330, which >authorized VA, when a veteran has compensable service-connected hearing >loss in one ear and nonservice-connected deafness in the other ear, to >assign an evaluation and pay compensation as though both ears were >service-connected, and the Dr. James Allen Veteran Vision Equity Act of >2007, Public Law 110-157, which authorized VA, when a veteran has >service-connected visual impairment in one eye and nonservice-connected >visual impairment in the other eye of the degree described above, to >assign an evaluation and pay compensation as though both eye >disabilities were service connected. See 38 U.S.C. 1160(a)(1) and (3). >Further, while Sec. 4.78 addressed aggravation, it is unnecessary >to include this in this regulation as it is covered in 38 CFR 4.22. >Section 4.78's discussion of aggravation was duplicative of Sec. 4.22. >Proposed Sec. 4.75(d) stated that the evaluation for visual >impairment of one eye may be combined with evaluations for other >disabilities that are not based on visual impairment and included >disfigurement as an example. One commenter suggested that we evaluate >phthisis bulbi (shrunken eyeball) or other serious cosmetic defect of >the eyeball at 40 percent instead of referring the rater to diagnostic >code 7800 (``Scars, disfiguring, head, face, or neck'') under the skin >portion of the Rating Schedule. The commenter felt this would provide a >standard evaluation for this problem. >The portion of the Rating Schedule that addresses the skin has been >revised (67 FR 49590, July 31, 2002) since the comment was written. >Diagnostic code 7800 is no longer limited to evaluation of scarring of >the skin. The revised evaluation criteria include a 30-percent >evaluation for gross distortion or asymmetry of a paired set of >features with visible or palpable tissue loss. Since by definition, >phthisis bulbi is a shrunken or atrophic eyeball, there would be >visible or palpable tissue loss, and this level of evaluation under >diagnostic code 7800 would apply. Any other cosmetic defect of the >eyeball that meets the criteria for disfigurement could also be >evaluated under diagnostic code 7800, with the level of evaluation >based on application of the criteria for disfigurement. Therefore, we >make no change based on this comment. >Proposed Sec. 4.75(e) instructed adjudicators to increase >evaluations by 10 percent in situations where a claimant has anatomical >loss of one eye with inability to wear a prosthesis. One commenter >suggested that 10 percent be added in the absence of anatomical loss >but with deformity and inability to wear a prosthesis. The evaluation >criteria of diagnostic code 7800 would apply in this situation. The >level of evaluation for deformity and inability to wear a prosthesis >could be more or less than 10 percent, depending on the extent of >disfigurement. However, to avoid pyramiding under 38 CFR 4.14 (``the >evaluation of the same manifestation under different diagnoses [is] to >be avoided''), an evaluation under diagnostic code 7800 would preclude >an additional 10 percent for the same deformity under Sec. 4.75. We >have decided to also specify in Sec. 4.75(e) that the 10-percent >increase in evaluation under that provision for anatomical loss of one >eye with inability to wear a prosthesis precludes an evaluation under >diagnostic code 7800 based on gross distortion or asymmetry of the eye. >We made nonsubstantive revisions to proposed Sec. 4.75(b), (c), >(d), (e), and (f) to improve clarity. > >Section 4.76 Visual Acuity > >We proposed to delete Sec. 4.83, which stated that a person not >able to read at any one of the scheduled steps or distances, but able >to read at the ``next scheduled step or distance,'' is to be rated as >reading at this latter step or distance. A commenter noted that this >rule is vital for determining whether to select the higher or lower >evaluation and recommended that we retain Sec. 4.83. In our view, an >adjudicator could simply refer to 38 CFR 4.7 to determine the correct >evaluation. However, we will retain this instruction to promote >consistency of evaluations. We have included the following language in >Sec. 4.76(b) at Sec. 4.76(b)(4): ``To evaluate the impairment of >visual acuity where a claimant has a reported visual acuity that is >between two sequentially listed visual acuities, use the visual acuity >which permits the higher evaluation.'' >We proposed that visual acuity would generally be evaluated on the >basis of corrected distance vision. One commenter suggested that >because VA policy is to rate on central acuity, not eccentric viewing, >we should revise the proposed language of Sec. 4.76(b)(1) to clarify >that even when a central scotoma is present, central visual acuity is >evaluated based upon best corrected distance vision with central >fixation. We agree that central visual acuity should be emphasized. To >assure consistency of evaluation and eliminate the variability that >could result if eccentric vision were tested, we have revised the >language of proposed Sec. 4.76(b)(1) according to the commenter's >suggestion. For the sake of consistency, we have also added ``central'' >to Sec. 4.76(a) before ``uncorrected and corrected visual acuity''. >Another commenter asked how visual acuity is determined if central >fixation is not possible. Visual acuity can be determined in these >cases by optometrists and ophthalmologists, because they are routinely >trained in special methods and techniques that allow them to assess >visual acuity and/or function when there is loss of central fixation. >Thus, central visual acuity can still be used to rate visual >impairment, even if central fixation is impossible. >In Sec. 4.76(b)(1), we proposed to amend how we evaluate visual >acuity where there is a significant difference in the lens required to >correct distance vision in the poorer eye compared to the lens required >to correct distance vision in the better eye. We proposed to evaluate >the visual acuity of the poorer eye using either its uncorrected visual >acuity or its visual acuity as corrected by a lens that does not differ >by more than three diopters from the lens needed for correction of the >other eye, whichever results in better combined visual acuity. This >provision reduced the diopter difference required for application of >this provision from the current requirement of more than four diopters >to a requirement of more than three diopters. We proposed to reduce the >diopter difference because at more than three diopters there is a >significant possibility that a claimant will have visual difficulties. >However, we have learned that even reducing the diopter difference >required for application of this provision from more than four diopters >to more than three diopters may still not assure that the individual's >brain will be able to ``fuse'' the two differently sized images. The >inability to do so results in an intolerable optical correction from >clinically significant aniseikonia (where the ocular image of an object >as seen by one eye differs in size and shape from that seen by the >other). >Therefore, we have decided to remove the language ``by a lens that >does not > >[[Page 66546]] > >differ by more than three diopters from the lens needed for correction >of the other eye.'' By permitting evaluation based on either >uncorrected vision or corrected vision without specifying the >refractive power of the lens, we can accommodate both individuals who >do experience visual difficulty when wearing such different lenses and >individuals who do not experience visual difficulty. >Further, we have added to Sec. 4.76(b)(1) language stating, ``and >either the poorer eye or both eyes are service connected'' to emphasize >VA's authority to service connect unilateral visual impairment. This >additional language clarifies that VA evaluators must apply this >provision whether disability of either only one eye (the poorer eye) or >both eyes is service-connected. >We made nonsubstantive revisions to proposed Sec. 4.76(a), (b)(1), >(b)(2) and (b)(3) to improve clarity. > >Section 4.76a Computation of Average Concentric Contraction of Visual >Fields > >We proposed to remove Sec. 4.76a because directions for evaluating >visual fields were revised and moved to Sec. 4.77. The proposed rule >did not make it clear whether or not Table III and Figure 1, which are >part of Sec. 4.76a, were to be retained. Table III lists the normal >degrees of the visual field at the eight principal meridians and also >gives an example of computing concentric contraction of abnormal visual >fields. One commenter suggested that we retain the example of computing >visual fields because it is useful for understanding the material on >average concentric contraction. We agree, and although we have deleted >from Sec. 4.76a the text preceding Table III, we have retained Table >III (including the example) and Figure 1 in the final rule. > >Section 4.77 Visual Fields > >Proposed Sec. 4.77(a) stated that to be adequate for VA purposes, >examinations of visual fields must be conducted using a Goldmann >kinetic perimeter or equivalent kinetic method, using a standard target >size and luminance (Goldmann's equivalent (III/4e)). It required that >at least 16 meridians 221/2 degrees apart be charted for each eye. >Table III listed the normal extent of the visual fields (in degrees) at >the 8 principal meridians (45 degrees apart). It also stated that the >examination must be supplemented by the use of a tangent screen when >the examiner indicates it is necessary. >The preamble to the proposed rule also stated that until there are >reliable standards for comparing the results from static and kinetic >perimetry, we propose to retain the requirement for the use of Goldmann >kinetic perimetry, which is more reliable than the alternatives. One >commenter suggested that VA's disability examination worksheet for the >eye also specify the use of a Goldmann kinetic perimeter or equivalent >kinetic examination method. >After the proposed rule was published, software programs for >automated perimetry were developed that completely simulate results >from Goldmann perimetry and can be charted on standard Goldmann charts. >The Compensation and Pension Service, after consultation with the >Veterans Health Administration's Chiefs of Ophthalmology and Optometry, >sent a letter (FL06-21) on November 8, 2006, to the Veterans Benefits >Administration regional offices stating that Humphrey Model 750, >Octopus Model 101, and later versions of these perimetric devices with >simulated kinetic Goldmann testing capability are acceptable devices >for determining the extent of visual field loss for compensation and >pension eye rating examinations. >Therefore, we have changed proposed Sec. 4.77(a) to indicate that >examiners must assess visual fields using either Goldmann kinetic >perimetry or automated perimetry using Humphrey Model 750, Octopus >Model 101, or later versions of these perimetric devices with simulated >kinetic Goldmann testing capability. We also clarified the directions >about the Goldmann equivalent that must be used for phakic (normal), >aphakic, and pseudophakic individuals. The content of the disability >examination worksheets is beyond the scope of this rulemaking, and we >make no change based on the comment about the worksheet. >We proposed to evaluate visual fields by using a Goldmann kinetic >perimeter or equivalent kinetic method, using a standard target size >and luminance (Goldmann's equivalent (III/4e)). That Goldmann >equivalent is useful for evaluating visual fields except in certain >cases where a larger equivalent size is needed. We have therefore >clarified the use of Goldmann equivalents in the final rule by revising >proposed Sec. 4.77(a) to state that, for phakic (normal) individuals, >as well as for pseudophakic or aphakic individuals who are well adapted >to intraocular lens implant or contact lens correction, visual field >examinations must be conducted using a standard target size and >luminance, which is Goldmann's equivalent III/4e. For aphakic >individuals not well adapted to contact lens correction or pseudophakic >individuals not well adapted to intraocular lens implant, visual field >examinations must be conducted using Goldmann's equivalent IV/4e. >Proposed Sec. 4.77(a) stated that ``[a]t least two recordings of >visual fields must be made'' for purposes of VA's disability >evaluations. We have learned from vision specialists that this is not >necessary and is not standard procedure, since the visual field outline >is determined by testing multiple objects along each meridian. >Therefore, we have removed the language requiring ``two recordings'' as >unnecessary. In conjunction with this change, we have also removed the >proposed statement that the confirmed visual fields must be made a part >of the examination report. Instead, we have stated in Sec. 4.77(a) >that in all cases, the results of visual field examinations must be >recorded on a standard Goldmann chart. We additionally require that the >Goldmann chart be included with the examination report. >Proposed Sec. 4.77(a) also said that the examination must be >supplemented by the use of a tangent screen when the examiner indicates >it is necessary. We have determined that a 30-degree threshold visual >field with the Goldmann III stimulus size could be used in lieu of a >tangent screen. This test provides information similar to the tangent >screen. For this reason, the final rule provides that adjudicators must >consider either of these two tests when additional testing of visual >fields becomes necessary, and requires that the examination report >include either the tracing of the tangent screen or the tracing of the >30-degree threshold visual field. >We made further nonsubstantive revisions to proposed Sec. 4.77(a), >(b), and (c) to improve clarity. > >Section 4.78 Muscle Function > >In proposed Sec. 4.78(b)(1), we provided guidance concerning the >evaluation of diplopia, and proposed that adjudicators assign an >evaluation for diplopia for only one eye. Further, we proposed that >where a claimant has both diplopia and decreased visual acuity or a >visual field defect, the corrected visual acuity for the poorer eye (or >the affected eye, if only one eye is service-connected) is deemed to >be, depending on the severity of the diplopia, between one and three >steps poorer, provided that the adjusted level of corrected visual >acuity does not exceed 5/200. Using the adjusted visual acuity for the >poorer eye (or the affected eye) and the corrected visual acuity for >the better eye, we proposed that the claimant's visual impairment be >evaluated under diagnostic codes 6064 through 6066. > >[[Page 66547]] > >Proposed diagnostic code 6064 refers to light perception only (LPO), >which exceeds a visual acuity level of 5/200. Hence, an evaluation >under diagnostic code 6064 is not permitted under Sec. 4.78(b). >Therefore, in Sec. 4.78(b)(1) we have omitted reference to diagnostic >code 6064. >We proposed not to retain in Sec. 4.78(b)(1) the rule from former >Sec. 4.77 (Examination of muscle function) which stated that >``[d]iplopia which is only occasional or correctable is not considered >a disability,'' since it pertains to the issue of service connection >rather than evaluation. Section 4.78(b)(1) addresses evaluation of >muscle function rather than service connection. One commenter stated >that this rule provides useful guidance to adjudicators considering >claims for service connection for diplopia. In response to this >comment, and because disease of or injury to one or more extraocular >eye muscles may cause diplopia which is occasional or correctable, >rather than including this language in Sec. 4.78(b)(1), we have added >a note under diagnostic code 6090 (diplopia) stating that in accordance >with 38 CFR 4.31, diplopia that is occasional or that is correctable >with spectacles is evaluated at 0 percent. This would clarify how to >evaluate diplopia with these characteristics. >In order to remove any doubt about the difference between Sec. >4.78(b)(2), which explains how to evaluate diplopia that is present in >more than one quadrant or range of degrees, and Sec. 4.78(b)(3), which >explains how to evaluate diplopia that exists in two separate areas of >the same eye, we have changed the language of Sec. 4.78(b)(2) from >``[w]hen diplopia is present in more than one quadrant,'' as proposed, >to ``[w]hen diplopia extends beyond more than one quadrant''. This is >similar to the language in the current rating schedule and will ensure >a clear distinction between these provisions. >We made nonsubstantive revisions to proposed Sec. 4.78 (a) and (b) >to improve clarity. > >Section 4.79 Schedule of Ratings--Eye > >We proposed to evaluate angle-closure glaucoma (diagnostic code >6012), which often presents as a red, painful eye, sometimes >accompanied by nausea and vomiting, either on the basis of visual >impairment or on the basis of incapacitating episodes, whichever >results in a higher evaluation. We proposed to evaluate open-angle >glaucoma (diagnostic code 6013), which generally presents as painless, >chronic, progressive loss of vision, solely on the basis of visual >impairment because open-angle glaucoma is unlikely to result in >incapacitating episodes. >One commenter questioned why angle-closure glaucoma based on >incapacitating episodes does not include a 10-percent evaluation for >incapacitating episodes of at least 1 week, but less than 2 weeks total >duration per year, when diagnostic codes 6000 through 6009 provide for >such an evaluation. Under the proposed rule, a minimum evaluation of 10 >percent would be assigned for angle-closure glaucoma if continuous >medication is required. In our view, virtually all claimants with >symptomatic angle-closure glaucoma would require continuous medication, >which would entitle them to a minimum 10-percent evaluation. Therefore, >we did not propose a 10-percent evaluation based on incapacitating >episodes. We make no change based upon this comment. >One commenter suggested that we evaluate both angle-closure and >open-angle glaucoma on the basis of visual field loss or central visual >acuity impairment, whichever results in a higher evaluation. Section >4.75(a) states that the evaluation of visual impairment is based on >impairment of visual acuity (excluding developmental errors of >refraction), visual field, and muscle function. All three elements of >visual impairment may be present in glaucoma, although visual field >loss is most common. Not only would the commenter's suggestion limit >the rating possibilities to two of the three elements of visual >impairment, it also would not allow for evaluation of angle-closure >glaucoma based on incapacitating episodes. Section 4.75(b) states that >eye examinations must be conducted by a licensed optometrist or >ophthalmologist, and such specialists are unlikely to overlook a visual >field defect or any other type of visual impairment in an individual >with glaucoma. In our judgment, allowing evaluation to be based on any >of the three elements of visual impairment or on incapacitating >episodes is a fair way to assess glaucoma and to assure that the >veteran is evaluated based on the disabling effects that provide the >higher benefit. We have therefore not adopted the commenter's >suggestion. >We proposed that certain eye disabilities be evaluated either on >visual impairment or on incapacitating episodes, whichever results in a >higher evaluation. We proposed to define an incapacitating episode as a >period of acute symptoms severe enough to require bed rest and >treatment by a physician or other healthcare provider. >One commenter suggested that the rating formula based on >incapacitating episodes--60 percent if there are incapacitating >episodes of at least 6 weeks total duration per year, 40 percent if >there are incapacitating episodes of at least 4 weeks, but less than 6 >weeks, total duration per year, etc.--is miserly because a veteran will >be compensated only for visual impairment or periods of incapacitation, >but not both, and with less than bedrest, the veteran receives nothing. >In most eye diseases, visual impairment will be the major problem >and therefore the more common basis of evaluation. With modern medical >and surgical treatment, few patients require bedrest of any duration >for eye disease. However, an evaluation based on incapacitating >episodes might be higher in those few cases in which bedrest might be >required, e.g., angle-closure glaucoma with severe pain, nausea, and >vomiting. If bedrest is not required, evaluation is based on visual >impairment. The evaluations based on visual impairment and those based >on incapacitating episodes are both meant to account for the average >occupational impairment. Providing alternative criteria allows the >rater to evaluate using the set of criteria more favorable to the >veteran. >The same commenter asked why there is a maximum evaluation of 60 >percent for incapacitating episodes. >As stated above, with modern medical and surgical treatment, very >few, if any, veterans will experience incapacitating episodes of more >than 6 weeks total duration per year due to eye disease. However, for >any who do, 38 CFR 4.16(a), which provides for a total evaluation based >on individual unemployability, and 38 CFR 3.321(b)(1), which provides >for extra-schedular evaluations in cases where an evaluation is >inadequate because the condition presents such an unusual disability >picture that applying the regular schedular standards would be >impractical, provide reasonable alternatives for assigning an >evaluation greater than 60 percent. In our judgment, the range of >evaluations we have provided based on incapacitating episodes of eye >disease will adequately compensate veterans, and a 100-percent >evaluation level based on incapacitating episodes is not warranted. >Conditions evaluated on the basis of incapacitating episodes are >entitled to a 60-percent evaluation when the claimant has experienced >at least 6 weeks of incapacitating episodes over the preceding 12 >months. One commenter suggested that, in some cases, an adjudicator >would not be able > >[[Page 66548]] > >to assign the maximum 60-percent evaluation until after the passage of >an entire year, and felt that evaluations based upon incapacitating >episodes should be retroactive to the date of the first incapacitating >episode, regardless of when it occurred. >By statute (38 U.S.C. 5110(a)), except as otherwise provided, the >effective date of an award of compensation will be fixed in accordance >with the facts but not before the date of receipt of the claim. >Furthermore, an award of increased compensation will be effective the >earliest date it is ascertainable that an increase in disability >occurred if application is received within 1 year of that date. 38 >U.S.C. 5110(b)(2). Otherwise, the effective date is the date the claim >was received. 38 CFR 3.400(o)(2). We are aware of no special provisions >that would apply to the evaluation of incapacitating episodes of the >eye. Under governing law, entitlement to a 60-percent rating would not >arise until 6 weeks of incapacitating episodes have taken place, and >the effective date could not be established before then. Once the >claimant has experienced 6 weeks of incapacitating episodes, the 60- >percent evaluation will be assigned, even if the evaluation occurs >within several months of the initial incapacitating episode. In cases >where it takes the entire 12-month period for a claimant to experience >6 weeks of incapacitating episodes, the 60-percent evaluation will be >assigned at that time. However, during the interim, a rating >corresponding to the total duration of incapacitating episodes already >experienced may be assigned. That is to say, once 1 week of >incapacitating episodes is experienced, a 10-percent rating may be >assigned; once 2 weeks of incapacitating episodes are experienced, a >20-percent rating may be assigned; etc. We make no change based on this >comment. >The proposed criteria based on incapacitating episodes referred to >the total duration of incapacitating episodes ``per year''. To clarify >that we mean during the preceding 12-month period, and not the calendar >year, we have changed this language to refer to incapacitating episodes >``during the past 12 months''. This language is consistent with other >provisions in the rating schedule that evaluate incapacitating episodes >(e.g., diagnostic code 5243, intervertebral disc syndrome, and >diagnostic code 7354, hepatitis C). We are also adding language to >indicate that bed rest must be prescribed by a physician to the notes >following diagnostic codes 6000 through 6009 and diagnostic code 6012 >of the rating schedule. This clarifies VA's intent in the proposed rule >and makes a nonsubstantive change for clarification purposes. >One commenter asked for clarification as to whether the absence of >light perception is to be evaluated as anatomical loss of one eye >(diagnostic code 6063) or light perception only (diagnostic code 6064). >Section 4.75(d) states that the evaluation for visual impairment of >one eye must not exceed 30-percent unless there is anatomical loss of >the eye. This is clear and straightforward and names no exceptions. >Therefore, in evaluating visual acuity of one eye, no light perception >is evaluated the same as light perception only. To avoid confusion, we >have revised the titles of diagnostic codes 6062 to ``No more than >light perception in both eyes'' and 6064 to ``No more than light >perception in one eye.'' >As previously discussed under one of the comments about diplopia, >we have added a note to diagnostic code 6090 stating that occasional or >correctable diplopia will be evaluated as 0-percent disabling. >One commenter asked that we clarify whether the use of an eye patch >for diplopia warrants special monthly compensation (SMC) (see 38 CFR >3.350) for loss or loss of use of an eye. Since the eye is present when >an eye patch is used for diplopia, SMC for loss of an eye is not >warranted. Visual impairment due to diplopia is determined without the >eye patch, and it could be at any level of severity, so SMC for loss of >use of an eye is also not warranted. The fact that the eye is not being >used when it is patched does not necessarily mean it cannot be used, >which would be required for loss of use. >We use the word ``alternatively'' instead of the proposed >``otherwise'' in diagnostic code 6011 for clarity and add ``if this >would result in a higher evaluation'' for further guidance. We use >similar language in diagnostic code 6081 for the same purpose. We >additionally edited the proposed criteria for evaluating malignant >neoplasms of the eyeball (diagnostic code 6014) for the sake of >clarity. >VA appreciates the comments submitted in response to the proposed >rule. Based on the rationale stated in the proposed rule and in this >document, the proposed rule is adopted as final with the changes noted. > >Unfunded Mandates > >The Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995 requires, at 2 U.S.C. >1532, that agencies prepare an assessment of anticipated costs and >benefits before issuing any rule that may result in the expenditure by >State, local, and tribal governments, in the aggregate, or by the >private sector, of $100 million or more (adjusted annually for >inflation) in any year. This final rule would have no such effect on >State, local, and tribal governments, or on the private sector. > >Paperwork Reduction Act > >This document contains no provisions constituting a collection of >information under the Paperwork Reduction Act (44 U.S.C. 3501-3521). > >Executive Order 12866 > >Executive Order 12866 directs agencies to assess all costs and >benefits of available regulatory alternatives and, when regulation is >necessary, to select regulatory approaches that maximize net benefits >(including potential economic, environmental, public health and safety, >and other advantages; distributive impacts; and equity). The Executive >Order classifies a ``significant regulatory action,'' requiring review >by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) unless OMB waives such >review, as any regulatory action that is likely to result in a rule >that may: (1) Have an annual effect on the economy of $100 million or >more or adversely affect in a material way the economy, a sector of the >economy, productivity, competition, jobs, the environment, public >health or safety, or State, local, or tribal governments or >communities; (2) create a serious inconsistency or otherwise interfere >with an action taken or planned by another agency; (3) materially alter >the budgetary impact of entitlements, grants, user fees, or loan >programs or the rights and obligations of recipients thereof; or (4) >raise novel legal or policy issues arising out of legal mandates, the >President's priorities, or the principles set forth in the Executive >Order. >The economic, interagency, budgetary, legal, and policy >implications of this final rule has been examined, and it has been >determined to be a significant regulatory action under the Executive >Order because it is likely to result in a rule that may raise novel >legal or policy issues arising out of legal mandates, the President's >priorities, or the principles set forth in the Executive Order. > >Regulatory Flexibility Act > >The Secretary hereby certifies that this final rule will not have a >significant economic impact on a substantial number of small entities >as they are defined in the Regulatory Flexibility Act, 5 U.S.C. 601- >612. This final rule would not affect any small entities. Only VA >beneficiaries could be directly > >[[Page 66549]] > >affected. Therefore, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 605(b), this final rule is >exempt from the initial and final regulatory flexibility analysis >requirements of sections 603 and 604. > >Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance Numbers and Titles > >The Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance program numbers and >titles are 64.104, Pension for Non-Service-Connected Disability for >Veterans, and 64.109, Veterans Compensation for Service-Connected >Disability. > >List of Subjects in 38 CFR Part 4 > >Disability benefits, Pensions, Veterans. > >Approved: August 6, 2008. >Gordon H. Mansfield, >Deputy Secretary of Veterans Affairs. > >0 >For the reasons set out in the preamble, 38 CFR part 4, subpart B, is >amended as set forth below: > >PART 4--SCHEDULE FOR RATING DISABILITIES > >0 >1. The authority citation for part 4 continues to read as follows: > >Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155, unless otherwise noted. > >Subpart B--Disability Ratings > >0 >2. Section 4.75 is revised to read as follows: > > >Sec. 4.75 General considerations for evaluating visual impairment. > >(a) Visual impairment. The evaluation of visual impairment is based >on impairment of visual acuity (excluding developmental errors of >refraction), visual field, and muscle function. >(b) Examination for visual impairment. The examination must be >conducted by a licensed optometrist or by a licensed ophthalmologist. >The examiner must identify the disease, injury, or other pathologic >process responsible for any visual impairment found. Examinations of >visual fields or muscle function will be conducted only when there is a >medical indication of disease or injury that may be associated with >visual field defect or impaired muscle function. Unless medically >contraindicated, the fundus must be examined with the claimant's pupils >dilated. >(c) Service-connected visual impairment of only one eye. Subject to >the provisions of 38 CFR 3.383(a), if visual impairment of only one eye >is service-connected, the visual acuity of the other eye will be >considered to be 20/40 for purposes of evaluating the service-connected >visual impairment. >(d) Maximum evaluation for visual impairment of one eye. The >evaluation for visual impairment of one eye must not exceed 30 percent >unless there is anatomical loss of the eye. Combine the evaluation for >visual impairment of one eye with evaluations for other disabilities of >the same eye that are not based on visual impairment (e.g., >disfigurement under diagnostic code 7800). >(e) Anatomical loss of one eye with inability to wear a prosthesis. >When the claimant has anatomical loss of one eye and is unable to wear >a prosthesis, increase the evaluation for visual acuity under >diagnostic code 6063 by 10 percent, but the maximum evaluation for >visual impairment of both eyes must not exceed 100 percent. A 10- >percent increase under this paragraph precludes an evaluation under >diagnostic code 7800 based on gross distortion or asymmetry of the eye >but not an evaluation under diagnostic code 7800 based on other >characteristics of disfigurement. >(f) Special monthly compensation. When evaluating visual >impairment, refer to 38 CFR 3.350 to determine whether the claimant may >be entitled to special monthly compensation. Footnotes in the schedule >indicate levels of visual impairment that potentially establish >entitlement to special monthly compensation; however, other levels of >visual impairment combined with disabilities of other body systems may >also establish entitlement. > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1114 and 1155) > > > >0 >3. Section 4.76 is revised to read as follows: > > >Sec. 4.76 Visual acuity. > >(a) Examination of visual acuity. Examination of visual acuity must >include the central uncorrected and corrected visual acuity for >distance and near vision using Snellen's test type or its equivalent. >(b) Evaluation of visual acuity. (1) Evaluate central visual acuity >on the basis of corrected distance vision with central fixation, even >if a central scotoma is present. However, when the lens required to >correct distance vision in the poorer eye differs by more than three >diopters from the lens required to correct distance vision in the >better eye (and the difference is not due to congenital or >developmental refractive error), and either the poorer eye or both eyes >are service connected, evaluate the visual acuity of the poorer eye >using either its uncorrected or corrected visual acuity, whichever >results in better combined visual acuity. >(2) Provided that he or she customarily wears contact lenses, >evaluate the visual acuity of any individual affected by a corneal >disorder that results in severe irregular astigmatism that can be >improved more by contact lenses than by eyeglass lenses, as corrected >by contact lenses. >(3) In any case where the examiner reports that there is a >difference equal to two or more scheduled steps between near and >distance corrected vision, with the near vision being worse, the >examination report must include at least two recordings of near and >distance corrected vision and an explanation of the reason for the >difference. In these cases, evaluate based on corrected distance vision >adjusted to one step poorer than measured. >(4) To evaluate the impairment of visual acuity where a claimant >has a reported visual acuity that is between two sequentially listed >visual acuities, use the visual acuity which permits the higher >evaluation. > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155) > > > >0 >4. In Sec. 4.76a, remove the introductory text, retain Table III-- >Normal Visual Field Extent at 8 Principal Meridians, retain Figure 1. >Chart of visual field showing normal field right eye and abnormal >contraction visual field left eye and the text and table following >Figure 1, and add an authority citation at the end of the section to >read as follows. > > >Sec. 4.76a Computation of average concentric contraction of visual >fields. > >* * * * * > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155) > > > >0 >5. Section 4.77 is amended by: >0 >a. Revising the section heading. >0 >b. Removing the introductory text and adding, in its place, paragraphs >(a), (b), and (c). >0 >c. Retaining Figure 2. Goldmann Perimeter Chart. >0 >d. Adding an authority citation at the end of the section. >The additions read as follows: > > >Sec. 4.77 Visual fields. > >(a) Examination of visual fields. Examiners must use either >Goldmann kinetic perimetry or automated perimetry using Humphrey Model >750, Octopus Model 101, or later versions of these perimetric devices >with simulated kinetic Goldmann testing capability. For phakic (normal) >individuals, as well as for pseudophakic or aphakic individuals who are >well adapted to intraocular lens implant or contact lens correction, >visual field examinations must be conducted using a standard target >size > >[[Page 66550]] > >and luminance, which is Goldmann's equivalent III/4e. For aphakic >individuals not well adapted to contact lens correction or pseudophakic >individuals not well adapted to intraocular lens implant, visual field >examinations must be conducted using Goldmann's equivalent IV/4e. In >all cases, the results must be recorded on a standard Goldmann chart >(see Figure 1), and the Goldmann chart must be included with the >examination report. The examiner must chart at least 16 meridians 22\1/ >2\ degrees apart for each eye and indicate the Goldmann equivalent >used. See Table III for the normal extent (in degrees) of the visual >fields at the 8 principal meridians (45 degrees apart). When the >examiner indicates that additional testing is necessary to evaluate >visual fields, the additional testing must be conducted using either a >tangent screen or a 30-degree threshold visual field with the Goldmann >III stimulus size. The examination report must then include the tracing >of either the tangent screen or of the 30-degree threshold visual field >with the Goldmann III stimulus size. >(b) Evaluation of visual fields. Determine the average concentric >contraction of the visual field of each eye by measuring the remaining >visual field (in degrees) at each of eight principal meridians 45 >degrees apart, adding them, and dividing the sum by eight. >(c) Combination of visual field defect and decreased visual acuity. >To determine the evaluation for visual impairment when both decreased >visual acuity and visual field defect are present in one or both eyes >and are service connected, separately evaluate the visual acuity and >visual field defect (expressed as a level of visual acuity), and >combine them under the provisions of Sec. 4.25. >* * * * * > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155) > > > >0 >6. Section 4.78 is revised to read as follows: > > >Sec. 4.78 Muscle function. > >(a) Examination of muscle function. The examiner must use a >Goldmann perimeter chart that identifies the four major quadrants >(upward, downward, left and right lateral) and the central field (20 >degrees or less) (see Figure 2). The examiner must chart the areas of >diplopia and include the plotted chart with the examination report. >(b) Evaluation of muscle function. (1) An evaluation for diplopia >will be assigned to only one eye. When a claimant has both diplopia and >decreased visual acuity or visual field defect, assign a level of >corrected visual acuity for the poorer eye (or the affected eye, if >disability of only one eye is service-connected) that is: one step >poorer than it would otherwise warrant if the evaluation for diplopia >under diagnostic code 6090 is 20/70 or 20/100; two steps poorer if the >evaluation under diagnostic code 6090 is 20/200 or 15/200; or three >steps poorer if the evaluation under diagnostic code 6090 is 5/200. >This adjusted level of corrected visual acuity, however, must not >exceed a level of 5/200. Use the adjusted visual acuity for the poorer >eye (or the affected eye, if disability of only one eye is service- >connected), and the corrected visual acuity for the better eye (or >visual acuity of 20/40 for the other eye, if only one eye is service- >connected) to determine the percentage evaluation for visual impairment >under diagnostic codes 6065 through 6066. >(2) When diplopia extends beyond more than one quadrant or range of >degrees, evaluate diplopia based on the quadrant and degree range that >provides the highest evaluation. >(3) When diplopia exists in two separate areas of the same eye, >increase the equivalent visual acuity under diagnostic code 6090 to the >next poorer level of visual acuity, not to exceed 5/200. > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155) > > > >0 >7. Section 4.79 is revised to read as follows: > > >Sec. 4.79 Schedule of ratings--eye. > >Diseases of the Eye >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Rating >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >6000 Choroidopathy, including uveitis, iritis, cyclitis, and >choroiditis. >6001 Keratopathy. >6002 Scleritis. >6006 Retinopathy or maculopathy. >6007 Intraocular hemorrhage. >6008 Detachment of retina. >6009 Unhealed eye injury. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >General Rating Formula for Diagnostic Codes 6000 through 6009 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Evaluate on the basis of either visual impairment due to >the particular condition or on incapacitating episodes, >whichever results in a higher evaluation. >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 60 >at least 6 weeks during the past 12 months.............. >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 40 >at least 4 weeks, but less than 6 weeks, during the past >12 months............................................... >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 20 >at least 2 weeks, but less than 4 weeks, during the past >12 months............................................... >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 10 >at least 1 week, but less than 2 weeks, during the past >12 months............................................... >Note: For VA purposes, an incapacitating episode is a period >of acute symptoms severe enough to require prescribed bed >rest and treatment by a physician or other healthcare >provider. >6010 Tuberculosis of eye: >Active................................................... 100 >Inactive: Evaluate under Sec. 4.88c or Sec. 4.89 of >this part, whichever is appropriate. >6011 Retinal scars, atrophy, or irregularities: >Localized scars, atrophy, or irregularities of the 10 >retina, unilateral or bilateral, that are centrally >located and that result in an irregular, duplicated, >enlarged, or diminished image........................... >Alternatively, evaluate based on visual impairment due to >retinal scars, atrophy, or irregularities, if this would >result in a higher evaluation. >6012 Angle-closure glaucoma: >Evaluate on the basis of either visual impairment due to >angle-closure glaucoma or incapacitating episodes, >whichever results in a higher evaluation. >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 60 >at least 6 weeks during the past 12 months.............. > >[[Page 66551]] > > >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 40 >at least 4 weeks, but less than 6 weeks, during the past >12 months............................................... >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 20 >at least 2 weeks, but less than 4 weeks, during the past >12 months............................................... >Minimum evaluation if continuous medication is required.. 10 >Note: For VA purposes, an incapacitating episode is a period >of acute symptoms severe enough to require prescribed bed >rest and treatment by a physician or other healthcare >provider. >6013 Open-angle glaucoma: >Evaluate based on visual impairment due to open-angle >glaucoma. >Minimum evaluation if continuous medication is required.. 10 >6014 Malignant neoplasms (eyeball only): >Malignant neoplasm of the eyeball that requires therapy 100 >that is comparable to that used for systemic >malignancies, i.e., systemic chemotherapy, X-ray therapy >more extensive than to the area of the eye, or surgery >more extensive than enucleation......................... >Note: Continue the 100-percent rating beyond the cessation of >any surgical, X-ray, antineoplastic chemotherapy or other >therapeutic procedure. Six months after discontinuance of >such treatment, the appropriate disability rating will be >determined by mandatory VA examination. Any change in >evaluation based upon that or any subsequent examination >will be subject to the provisions of Sec. 3.105(e) of this >chapter. If there has been no local recurrence or >metastasis, evaluate based on residuals. >Malignant neoplasm of the eyeball that does not require >therapy comparable to that for systemic malignancies: >Separately evaluate visual impairment and nonvisual >impairment, e.g., disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800), >and combine the evaluations. >6015 Benign neoplasms (of eyeball and adnexa): >Separately evaluate visual impairment and nonvisual >impairment, e.g., disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800), >and combine the evaluations. >6016 Nystagmus, central...................................... 10 >6017 Trachomatous conjunctivitis: >Active: Evaluate based on visual impairment, minimum..... 30 >Inactive: Evaluate based on residuals, such as visual >impairment and disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800). >6018 Chronic conjunctivitis (nontrachomatous): >Active (with objective findings, such as red, thick 10 >conjunctivae, mucous secretion, etc.)................... >Inactive: Evaluate based on residuals, such as visual >impairment and disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800). >6019 Ptosis, unilateral or bilateral: >Evaluate based on visual impairment or, in the absence of >visual impairment, on disfigurement (diagnostic code >7800). >6020 Ectropion: >Bilateral................................................ 20 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >6021 Entropion: >Bilateral................................................ 20 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >6022 Lagophthalmos: >Bilateral................................................ 20 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >6023 Loss of eyebrows, complete, unilateral or bilateral..... 10 >6024 Loss of eyelashes, complete, unilateral or bilateral.... 10 >6025 Disorders of the lacrimal apparatus (epiphora, >dacryocystitis, etc.): >Bilateral................................................ 20 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >6026 Optic neuropathy: >Evaluate based on visual impairment. >6027 Cataract of any type: >Preoperative: >Evaluate based on visual impairment. >Postoperative: >If a replacement lens is present (pseudophakia), evaluate >based on visual impairment. If there is no replacement >lens, evaluate based on aphakia. >6029 Aphakia or dislocation of crystalline lens: >Evaluate based on visual impairment, and elevate the >resulting level of visual impairment one step. >Minimum (unilateral or bilateral)........................ 30 >6030 Paralysis of accommodation (due to neuropathy of the 20 >Oculomotor Nerve (cranial nerve III)). >6032 Loss of eyelids, partial or complete: >Separately evaluate both visual impairment due to eyelid >loss and nonvisual impairment, e.g., disfigurement >(diagnostic code 7800), and combine the evaluations. >6034 Pterygium: >Evaluate based on visual impairment, disfigurement >(diagnostic code 7800), conjunctivitis (diagnostic code >6018), etc., depending on the particular findings. >6035 Keratoconus: >Evaluate based on impairment of visual acuity. >6036 Status post corneal transplant: >Evaluate based on visual impairment. >Minimum, if there is pain, photophobia, and glare 10 >sensitivity............................................. >6037 Pinguecula: >Evaluate based on disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800). >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[[Page 66552]] > > >Impairment of Central Visual Acuity >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >6061 Anatomical loss of both eyes \1\........................ 100 >6062 No more than light perception in both eyes \1\.......... 100 >6063 Anatomical loss of one eye: \1\ >In the other eye 5/200 (1.5/60).......................... 100 >In the other eye 10/200 (3/60)........................... 90 >In the other eye 15/200 (4.5/60)......................... 80 >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 60 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 50 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 40 >6064 No more than light perception in one eye: \1\ >In the other eye 5/200 (1.5/60).......................... 100 >In the other eye 10/200 (3/60)........................... 90 >In the other eye 15/200 (4.5/60)......................... 80 >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 50 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 40 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 30 >6065 Vision in one eye 5/200 (1.5/60): >In the other eye 5/200 (1.5/60).......................... \1\100 >In the other eye 10/200 (3/60)........................... 90 >In the other eye 15/200 (4.5/60)......................... 80 >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 50 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 40 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 30 >6066 Visual acuity in one eye 10/200 (3/60) or better: >Vision in one eye 10/200 (3/60): >In the other eye 10/200 (3/60)........................... 90 >In the other eye 15/200 (4.5/60)......................... 80 >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 50 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 40 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 30 >Vision in one eye 15/200 (4.5/60): >In the other eye 15/200 (4.5/60)......................... 80 >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 40 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 30 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 20 >Vision in one eye 20/200 (6/60): >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 40 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 30 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 20 >Vision in one eye 20/100 (6/30): >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 50 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 30 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 20 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 10 >Vision in one eye 20/70 (6/21): >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 30 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 20 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 10 >Vision in one eye 20/50 (6/15): >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 10 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 10 >Vision in one eye 20/40 (6/12): >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 0 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >\1\ Review for entitlement to special monthly compensation under 38 CFR >3.350. > > >[[Page 66553]] > > >Ratings for Impairment of Visual Fields >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Rating >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >6080 Visual field defects: >Homonymous hemianopsia................................... 30 >Loss of temporal half of visual field: >Bilateral................................................ 30 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/70 (6/21)............ >Loss of nasal half of visual field: >Bilateral................................................ 10 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/50 (6/15)............ >Loss of inferior half of visual field: >Bilateral................................................ 30 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/70 (6/21)............ >Loss of superior half of visual field: >Bilateral................................................ 10 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/50 (6/15)............ >Concentric contraction of visual field: >With remaining field of 5 degrees: \1\ >Bilateral................................................ 100 >Unilateral............................................... 30 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 5/200 (1.5/60).......... >With remaining field of 6 to 15 degrees: >Bilateral................................................ 70 >Unilateral............................................... 20 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/200 (6/60)........... >With remaining field of 16 to 30 degrees: >Bilateral................................................ 50 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/100 (6/30)........... >With remaining field of 31 to 45 degrees: >Bilateral................................................ 30 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/70 (6/21)............ >With remaining field of 46 to 60 degrees: >Bilateral................................................ 10 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/50 (6/15)............ >6081 Scotoma, unilateral: >Minimum, with scotoma affecting at least one-quarter of 10 >the visual field (quadrantanopsia) or with centrally >located scotoma of any size............................. >Alternatively, evaluate based on visual impairment due to >scotoma, if that would result in a higher evaluation.... >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >\1\ Review for entitlement to special monthly compensation under 38 CFR >3.350. > > >Ratings for Impairment of Muscle Function >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Equivalent >Degree of diplopia visual acuity >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >6090 Diplopia (double vision): >(a) Central 20 degrees........................... 5/200 (1.5/60) >(b) 21 degrees to 30 degrees >(1) Down..................................... 15/200 (4.5/60) >(2) Lateral.................................. 20/100 (6/30) >(3) Up....................................... 20/70 (6/21) >(c) 31 degrees to 40 degrees >(1) Down..................................... 20/200 (6/60) >(2) Lateral.................................. 20/70 (6/21) >(3) Up....................................... 20/40 (6/12) >Note: In accordance with 38 CFR 4.31, diplopia that >is occasional or that is correctable with spectacles >is evaluated at 0 percent. >6091 Symblepharon: >Evaluate based on visual impairment, >lagophthalmos (diagnostic code 6022), >disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800), etc., >depending on the particular findings. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >[[Page 66554]] > > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155) > > >Sec. Sec. 4.80, 4.83, and 4.84 [Removed and Reserved] > >0 >8. Sections 4.80, 4.83, and 4.84 are removed and reserved. > > >Sec. Sec. 4.83a and 4.84a [Removed] > >0 >9. Sections 4.83a and 4.84a are removed. > >[FR Doc. E8-26304 Filed 11-7-08; 8:45 am] > >BILLING CODE 8320-01-P From b75205 at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 17:04:54 2008 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:04:54 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] BAR/BRI Accommodations In-Reply-To: <40E519F5C83B4C7D8933B68056882EC9@noneeb869fea9a> References: <40E519F5C83B4C7D8933B68056882EC9@noneeb869fea9a> Message-ID: Apple will always have a disability as far as accessibility is concerned. Their platform for coding text is different than Windows Based machines and since most accessibility devices and software are on the Windows platform, they have a fundamental problem with their software that cannot be overcome easily. Also in general apple products rely on the person being able to see to use their accessibility features, somewhere along the line you have to see an instruction. Hence I advise people to avoid Apple products. James G. Pepper On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:31 AM, john wrote: > Hello All, > I received the BAR/BRI course on CD because the IPOD was inaccessible, so > that was a great option for me. I think they might be getting away from the > CD package as much as they can due to costs and of course for the fear that > the lectures might be copied. > Take care, > John > > > John Ramsey Esq. > > Gainesville, FL 32609 > > Phone: (352) 505-6642 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From dallasfortworthlawyer at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 22:23:16 2008 From: dallasfortworthlawyer at yahoo.com (Cameron Gray) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:23:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds Message-ID: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>   If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cameron Gray To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM Subject: service refused at McDonalds Listmates: I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers.  When she tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT".  Needless to say this was a very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a physician since it happened.  She has trouble sleeping and problems with anxiety. At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case.  However, the prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired.  No injunctive relief needed.  Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in state court?  An assault perhaps?  Problem is that the manager never touched her.  Any comments will be appreciated. Cameron Gray, Attorney at Law Grand Prairie, Texas   If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 00:21:58 2008 From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:21:58 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds In-Reply-To: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Intentional infliction of emotional distress? Negligent infliction of emotional distress? Negligence--breach of duty of care imposed by violation of statute? -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Gray Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:23 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds   If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cameron Gray To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM Subject: service refused at McDonalds Listmates: I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers.  When she tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT".  Needless to say this was a very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a physician since it happened.  She has trouble sleeping and problems with anxiety. At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case.  However, the prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired.  No injunctive relief needed.  Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in state court?  An assault perhaps?  Problem is that the manager never touched her.  Any comments will be appreciated. Cameron Gray, Attorney at Law Grand Prairie, Texas   If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com From mikefry79 at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 00:38:52 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:38:52 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds In-Reply-To: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811111638r70ba9e59t55f7039eff251313@mail.gmail.com> *I think, sue McDonald's under a theory of Respondeat superior for Negligent Infliction of Emotional Distress, or there are probably analogous state provisions to 42 USC s 1983 that may be applicable to discrimination against the disabled.* ** *Common law criminal assault is fear of an unwanted touching, no physical contact is necessary. The elements of civil assault in Texas case law probably does not require physical contact. I think it's doubtful that physical contact is necessary to maintain a civil suit for assault. * * * On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Cameron Gray < dallasfortworthlawyer at yahoo.com> wrote: > > > If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should > we serve? - John Adams > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Cameron Gray > To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM > Subject: service refused at McDonalds > > > Listmates: > I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt > that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When she > tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept > saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was a > very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a > physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with > anxiety. > At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, the > prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No > injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in > state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never touched > her. Any comments will be appreciated. > Cameron Gray, > Attorney at Law > Grand Prairie, Texas > > If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should > we serve? - John Adams > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From roddj12 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 00:43:43 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:43:43 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Intentional or negligent infliction of emotional distress? Intentional, the allegation would be that she was humiliated in public, and such conduct was extreme and outrageous, which caused her to have to obtain medical treatment follwing the incident. These are weak theories, though. For negligent, you would have to prove that she suffered some type of manifestation of physical impact, in addition to the emotional distress. Look at the law in your jurisdiction to see how much physical impact is required. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Gray" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cameron Gray To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM Subject: service refused at McDonalds Listmates: I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When she tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was a very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with anxiety. At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, the prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never touched her. Any comments will be appreciated. Cameron Gray, Attorney at Law Grand Prairie, Texas If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com From roddj12 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 00:46:24 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:46:24 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8c58e54a0811111638r70ba9e59t55f7039eff251313@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There is no evidence to support assault under either a criminal theory or a civil one in this situation. She was not in fear of anything. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Fry" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds > *I think, sue McDonald's under a theory of Respondeat superior for > Negligent > Infliction of Emotional Distress, or there are probably analogous state > provisions to 42 USC s 1983 that may be applicable to discrimination > against > the disabled.* > ** > *Common law criminal assault is fear of an unwanted touching, no physical > contact is necessary. The elements of civil assault in Texas case law > probably does not require physical contact. I think it's doubtful that > physical contact is necessary to maintain a civil suit for assault. * > * * > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Cameron Gray < > dallasfortworthlawyer at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom >> should >> we serve? - John Adams >> >> >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> From: Cameron Gray >> To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM >> Subject: service refused at McDonalds >> >> >> Listmates: >> I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager >> felt >> that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When >> she >> tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept >> saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was >> a >> very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care >> of a >> physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with >> anxiety. >> At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, >> the >> prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No >> injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue >> in >> state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never >> touched >> her. Any comments will be appreciated. >> Cameron Gray, >> Attorney at Law >> Grand Prairie, Texas >> >> If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom >> should >> we serve? - John Adams >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 12 01:12:27 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:12:27 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds In-Reply-To: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8BC18A01C8974193B9DD061275841ECD@spike> My impression is that your client was still damaged, she is having nightmares, anxiety, etc. possible PTSD symptoms. She still experienced damage as a result of the incident is requiring doctor's care, etc. The firing of the manager and an apology don't mitigate the emotional distress and pain and suffering that she has undergone. Additionally, are there state civil rights laws in Texas or specific laws governing the use of service animals. Here in California in addition to the ADA we have state laws that also address this issue as well. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Gray" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cameron Gray To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM Subject: service refused at McDonalds Listmates: I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When she tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was a very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with anxiety. At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, the prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never touched her. Any comments will be appreciated. Cameron Gray, Attorney at Law Grand Prairie, Texas If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From langlois2 at verizon.net Wed Nov 12 03:16:57 2008 From: langlois2 at verizon.net (BRIAN LANGLOIS) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:16:57 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not Message-ID: <005801c94475$1f1e1f60$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Hello, All, I'm interested in information regarding a possible action by lender Sallie Mae who said that they have the ability to garnish SSDI to recover funds for student loans. My guess is that they do have the authority to attach a portion of disability benefits if the balance is in default. I appreciate any information. Thanks! Brian Langlois Brian J. Langlois (978) 857-7126 Haverhill, MA USA From RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com Wed Nov 12 03:22:18 2008 From: RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com (Ray Wayne) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:22:18 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c94475$de1d62e0$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> I just settled a case involving a well-known fast food chain, which will remain nameless. We are requiring them to pay the Complainant $1,000, and a civil penalty (which is permitted under the NYC Human Rights Law of $5,000 to the City. Further, and perhaps most important, we are requiring that they circulate a written policy to all employees at any of their stores throughout New York City stating that blind and other disabled people are entitled to full access with their guide dogs or other service animals. All employees will have to sign a statement indicating that they have read and understand the policy. If you have any questions, contact me off list. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Gray" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cameron Gray To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM Subject: service refused at McDonalds Listmates: I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When she tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was a very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with anxiety. At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, the prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never touched her. Any comments will be appreciated. Cameron Gray, Attorney at Law Grand Prairie, Texas If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 12 09:44:54 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:44:54 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not In-Reply-To: <005801c94475$1f1e1f60$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <005801c94475$1f1e1f60$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <0B26E75EE24240AFAA8C2B2E57C31502@spike> SSDI payments are not exempt from judgments as compared to SSI payments which are judgment proof. At least this is my general understanding. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRIAN LANGLOIS" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not > Hello, All, > I'm interested in information regarding a possible action by lender Sallie > Mae who said that they have the ability to garnish SSDI to recover funds > for > student loans. > My guess is that they do have the authority to attach a portion of > disability benefits if the balance is in default. > I appreciate any information. > Thanks! > Brian Langlois > > Brian J. Langlois > (978) 857-7126 > Haverhill, MA USA > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From clucas at disabilitypride.com Wed Nov 12 14:27:33 2008 From: clucas at disabilitypride.com (clucas at disabilitypride.com) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:27:33 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not In-Reply-To: <0B26E75EE24240AFAA8C2B2E57C31502@spike> References: <005801c94475$1f1e1f60$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com><0B26E75EE24240AFAA8C2B2E57C31502@spike> Message-ID: <617047158-1226500063-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2026423321-@bxe160.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> The S.Ct. ruled a few years ago that social security payments could be garnished. I think it was in 2005 and it was a 9th Circuit case. Not only can they garnish social security payments, but you cannot discharge the loans in bankruptcy. However you do have other options to make payments affordable. If you have more than one loan you can consolidate them, you can get an economic hardship deferrment or forebearance, or you can choose the income contigent payment plan. -----Original Message----- From: "Charles Krugman" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:44:54 To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not SSDI payments are not exempt from judgments as compared to SSI payments which are judgment proof. At least this is my general understanding. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRIAN LANGLOIS" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not > Hello, All, > I'm interested in information regarding a possible action by lender Sallie > Mae who said that they have the ability to garnish SSDI to recover funds > for > student loans. > My guess is that they do have the authority to attach a portion of > disability benefits if the balance is in default. > I appreciate any information. > Thanks! > Brian Langlois > > Brian J. Langlois > (978) 857-7126 > Haverhill, MA USA > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilitypride.com From mikefry79 at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 16:23:02 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:23:02 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds In-Reply-To: <002f01c94475$de1d62e0$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <002f01c94475$de1d62e0$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811120823s43c0ed79g9ca49b537ecf7b64@mail.gmail.com> Congratulations, Ray. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Ray Wayne wrote: > I just settled a case involving a well-known fast food chain, which will > remain nameless. We are requiring them to pay the Complainant $1,000, and > a > civil penalty (which is permitted under the NYC Human Rights Law of $5,000 > to the City. > Further, and perhaps most important, we are requiring that they circulate a > written policy to all employees at any of their stores throughout New York > City stating that blind and other disabled people are entitled to full > access with their guide dogs or other service animals. All employees will > have to sign a statement indicating that they have read and understand the > policy. > If you have any questions, contact me off list. > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cameron Gray" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:23 PM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds > > > > > If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom > should > we serve? - John Adams > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Cameron Gray > To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM > Subject: service refused at McDonalds > > > Listmates: > I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt > that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When she > tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept > saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was a > very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of > a > physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with > anxiety. > At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, the > prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No > injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in > state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never touched > her. Any comments will be appreciated. > Cameron Gray, > Attorney at Law > Grand Prairie, Texas > > If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should > we serve? - John Adams > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From mtarley at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 21:03:43 2008 From: mtarley at gmail.com (M T) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:03:43 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance Message-ID: Hi All, I have a client who has been injured at work in a slip and fall and is now considered permanently disabled. She sustained a pretty severe back injury and is currently receiving benefits from her former employer under Workman's comp. However, she is now working for a different employer due to the fact that she was no longer able to continue doing her previous line of work, (she was a chef) and the insurance carrier for her current employer refuses to accept her b/c she is under workman's comp. Does anyone know of any case law on point for this particular issue. I am located in Ga. so if anyone knows of laws on point or has litigated a case similar I would appreciate any advice you could give. Thanks. Michelle -- Michelle Tarley, Esq. Attorney At Law "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" -- Helen Keller From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 21:17:29 2008 From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:17:29 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> I am not sure that we have all the facts. When you say she is still receiving benefits, does that mean her workers comp case is still open? If it is, any prospective employer's concern is whether the condition will worsen; put another way, a prospective employer is asking--what kind of liability am I buying. The case is different if she is, what we call in California permanent and stationary. That means she probably won't get any worse, and it means that her workers comp case has been settled. If that is true the issue is reasonable accommodation; after engaging in the interactive process required under the ADA, is there a job she can do? If she can work with reasonable accommodation and an employer refuses to employer her, then the ADA has been violated. Respectfully, Russell J. Thomas, Jr. THOMAS & ASSOCIATES Orange County Office 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 Newport Beach, California 92660 T: (949) 752-0101 F: (949) 257-4756 M: (949) 466-7238 Beverly Hills Office 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 Beverly Hills, California 90210 T: (310) 461-3561 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of M T Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:04 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance Hi All, I have a client who has been injured at work in a slip and fall and is now considered permanently disabled. She sustained a pretty severe back injury and is currently receiving benefits from her former employer under Workman's comp. However, she is now working for a different employer due to the fact that she was no longer able to continue doing her previous line of work, (she was a chef) and the insurance carrier for her current employer refuses to accept her b/c she is under workman's comp. Does anyone know of any case law on point for this particular issue. I am located in Ga. so if anyone knows of laws on point or has litigated a case similar I would appreciate any advice you could give. Thanks. Michelle -- Michelle Tarley, Esq. Attorney At Law "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" -- Helen Keller _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com From mtarley at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 21:56:39 2008 From: mtarley at gmail.com (M T) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:56:39 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance In-Reply-To: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> References: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> Message-ID: Her case is still open because she is under a dr's care and going to physical therapy, which is all being paid for by her previous employer. However, when the business was bought by someone else, the insurance carrier switched and she is is unable to get regular insurance provided by her new employer. But she is still receiving care for her injuries resulting from the slip in fall. Thanks for the input. I hope this clears a little of the vagueness up. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Russell J. Thomas, Jr wrote: > I am not sure that we have all the facts. > > When you say she is still receiving benefits, does that mean her workers > comp case is still open? If it is, any prospective employer's concern is > whether the condition will worsen; put another way, a prospective employer > is asking--what kind of liability am I buying. > > The case is different if she is, what we call in California permanent and > stationary. That means she probably won't get any worse, and it means that > her workers comp case has been settled. > > If that is true the issue is reasonable accommodation; after engaging in the > interactive process required under the ADA, is there a job she can do? If > she can work with reasonable accommodation and an employer refuses to > employer her, then the ADA has been violated. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Russell J. Thomas, Jr. > > THOMAS & ASSOCIATES > > Orange County Office > > 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 > > Newport Beach, California 92660 > > T: (949) 752-0101 > > F: (949) 257-4756 > > M: (949) 466-7238 > > Beverly Hills Office > > 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 > > Beverly Hills, California 90210 > > T: (310) 461-3561 > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of M T > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:04 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance > > Hi All, > I have a client who has been injured at work in a slip and fall and is > now considered permanently disabled. She sustained a pretty severe > back injury and is currently receiving benefits from her former > employer under Workman's comp. However, she is now working for a > different employer due to the fact that she was no longer able to > continue doing her previous line of work, (she was a chef) and the > insurance carrier for her current employer refuses to accept her b/c > she is under workman's comp. Does anyone know of any case law on point > for this particular issue. I am located in Ga. so if anyone knows of > laws on point or has litigated a case similar I would appreciate any > advice you could give. Thanks. > > Michelle > -- > Michelle Tarley, Esq. > Attorney At Law > > "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" > -- Helen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mtarley%40gmail.com > -- Michelle Tarley, Esq. Attorney At Law "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" -- Helen Keller From b75205 at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 22:21:34 2008 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:21:34 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance In-Reply-To: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> References: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> Message-ID: in Georgia do they have a risk pool. I think kaiers is the administrator. In Texas we have a risk pool which is bloody expensive but it is there. What are the qualifications to get on the risk pool. James G. Pepper On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Russell J. Thomas, Jr wrote: > I am not sure that we have all the facts. > > When you say she is still receiving benefits, does that mean her workers > comp case is still open? If it is, any prospective employer's concern is > whether the condition will worsen; put another way, a prospective employer > is asking--what kind of liability am I buying. > > The case is different if she is, what we call in California permanent and > stationary. That means she probably won't get any worse, and it means that > her workers comp case has been settled. > > If that is true the issue is reasonable accommodation; after engaging in > the > interactive process required under the ADA, is there a job she can do? If > she can work with reasonable accommodation and an employer refuses to > employer her, then the ADA has been violated. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Russell J. Thomas, Jr. > > THOMAS & ASSOCIATES > > Orange County Office > > 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 > > Newport Beach, California 92660 > > T: (949) 752-0101 > > F: (949) 257-4756 > > M: (949) 466-7238 > > Beverly Hills Office > > 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 > > Beverly Hills, California 90210 > > T: (310) 461-3561 > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of M T > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:04 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance > > Hi All, > I have a client who has been injured at work in a slip and fall and is > now considered permanently disabled. She sustained a pretty severe > back injury and is currently receiving benefits from her former > employer under Workman's comp. However, she is now working for a > different employer due to the fact that she was no longer able to > continue doing her previous line of work, (she was a chef) and the > insurance carrier for her current employer refuses to accept her b/c > she is under workman's comp. Does anyone know of any case law on point > for this particular issue. I am located in Ga. so if anyone knows of > laws on point or has litigated a case similar I would appreciate any > advice you could give. Thanks. > > Michelle > -- > Michelle Tarley, Esq. > Attorney At Law > > "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" > -- Helen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 23:37:41 2008 From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:37:41 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> Message-ID: <000c01c9451f$a81b3d70$6901a8c0@RThomas> The issue then, is she employable right now, or does she need further care to become employable? Normally, an employee will not be permitted to return to work without a note from a physician clearing the employee to return to work. In the alternative, the employee could be cleared to return to work with medical restrictions. Then the question would become -- can the employee be returned to a job that would permit her to work within those restrictions? Respectfully, Russell J. Thomas, Jr. THOMAS & ASSOCIATES Orange County Office 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 Newport Beach, California 92660 T: (949) 752-0101 F: (949) 257-4756 M: (949) 466-7238 Beverly Hills Office 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 Beverly Hills, California 90210 T: (310) 461-3561 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of M T Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:57 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Need some assistance Her case is still open because she is under a dr's care and going to physical therapy, which is all being paid for by her previous employer. However, when the business was bought by someone else, the insurance carrier switched and she is is unable to get regular insurance provided by her new employer. But she is still receiving care for her injuries resulting from the slip in fall. Thanks for the input. I hope this clears a little of the vagueness up. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Russell J. Thomas, Jr wrote: > I am not sure that we have all the facts. > > When you say she is still receiving benefits, does that mean her workers > comp case is still open? If it is, any prospective employer's concern is > whether the condition will worsen; put another way, a prospective employer > is asking--what kind of liability am I buying. > > The case is different if she is, what we call in California permanent and > stationary. That means she probably won't get any worse, and it means that > her workers comp case has been settled. > > If that is true the issue is reasonable accommodation; after engaging in the > interactive process required under the ADA, is there a job she can do? If > she can work with reasonable accommodation and an employer refuses to > employer her, then the ADA has been violated. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Russell J. Thomas, Jr. > > THOMAS & ASSOCIATES > > Orange County Office > > 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 > > Newport Beach, California 92660 > > T: (949) 752-0101 > > F: (949) 257-4756 > > M: (949) 466-7238 > > Beverly Hills Office > > 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 > > Beverly Hills, California 90210 > > T: (310) 461-3561 > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of M T > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:04 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance > > Hi All, > I have a client who has been injured at work in a slip and fall and is > now considered permanently disabled. She sustained a pretty severe > back injury and is currently receiving benefits from her former > employer under Workman's comp. However, she is now working for a > different employer due to the fact that she was no longer able to > continue doing her previous line of work, (she was a chef) and the > insurance carrier for her current employer refuses to accept her b/c > she is under workman's comp. Does anyone know of any case law on point > for this particular issue. I am located in Ga. so if anyone knows of > laws on point or has litigated a case similar I would appreciate any > advice you could give. Thanks. > > Michelle > -- > Michelle Tarley, Esq. > Attorney At Law > > "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" > -- Helen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mtarley%40gmail.co m > -- Michelle Tarley, Esq. Attorney At Law "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" -- Helen Keller _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com From RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com Thu Nov 13 00:20:35 2008 From: RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com (Ray Wayne) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:20:35 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? Message-ID: <000c01c94525$a644c100$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Can anyone help Christine, whose questions I am forwarding? I know a lot of you work with track changes, and I have never taken on the task of figuring it out. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Grassman To: Ray Wayne Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? I've reviewed the forwards. I didn't find info on how I can actually accept, reject, or edit the revisions. In the screen version, there are apparently a left arrow and right arrow to take you backwards or forwards through proposed changes, a blue checkmark to accept, and a red X to reject. I can't find these. Also, I want to know how to delete all the commentary. I'm told a pop-up should come up if you"hover your mouse over the comment and right-click" -- which, of course, I can't do. Could you forward this with my e-mail address and ask if folks could help me out with the intracacies of working with track changes? I've got Word 2003 and JAWS 9. Thanks for your help, Ray. Christine P.S. I'm carbon-copying some other "in the know" Federationists who might be able to help, but it seems the lawyers work with this a great deal, and I just don't have the time to add myself to another emial list! From rfarber at jw.com Thu Nov 13 02:32:14 2008 From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:32:14 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? In-Reply-To: <000c01c94525$a644c100$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> References: <000c01c94525$a644c100$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F106C94906@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Ray - I work with track changes in Word 2003. Here are a few items that can help Christine. She can call me at the office tomorrow and I can hopefully answer any additional questions. See phone numbers below. CTRL-SHIFT-E when in a Word document will toggle track changes on and off. JAWS will tell you whether it is on or off. With track changes on, Word will automatically mark deletions and insertions in a document. JAWS tells me when I am entering and leaving changes. You need the REVIEWING toolbar to accept and reject changes. To turn on the toolbar, follow these steps: Alt-V to open the VIEW menu T to go to the toolbars v arrow down to the reviewing toolbar and press enter Once the reviewing toolbar is on then you can go to it and select the appropriate button or other selections on the toolbar. To get to the toolbar press ALT to get to the menu bar CTRL-TAB will then move you through the different toolbars that are open. When I get to my REVIEWING toolbar, JAWS says Display for Review You can move through the REVIEWING Toolbar by using either the TAB or the arrow keys. JAWS will tell you Previous - Go to the previous change Next - Go to the next change Accept - Accept the change Reject - Reject the change To delete the comments, I think you have to be our of track changes and then search for them and delete them individually. Randy Randal S. Farber Jackson Walker L.L.P. 1401 McKinney, Suite 1900 Houston, Texas 77010 713-752-4241 - Phone 713-308-4120 - Fax RFarber at JW.Com -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Wayne Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:21 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? Can anyone help Christine, whose questions I am forwarding? I know a lot of you work with track changes, and I have never taken on the task of figuring it out. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Grassman To: Ray Wayne Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? I've reviewed the forwards. I didn't find info on how I can actually accept, reject, or edit the revisions. In the screen version, there are apparently a left arrow and right arrow to take you backwards or forwards through proposed changes, a blue checkmark to accept, and a red X to reject. I can't find these. Also, I want to know how to delete all the commentary. I'm told a pop-up should come up if you"hover your mouse over the comment and right-click" -- which, of course, I can't do. Could you forward this with my e-mail address and ask if folks could help me out with the intracacies of working with track changes? I've got Word 2003 and JAWS 9. Thanks for your help, Ray. Christine P.S. I'm carbon-copying some other "in the know" Federationists who might be able to help, but it seems the lawyers work with this a great deal, and I just don't have the time to add myself to another emial list! _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.c om -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Farber, Randal S .vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 427 bytes Desc: Farber, Randal S .vcf URL: From rfarber at jw.com Thu Nov 13 02:52:06 2008 From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:52:06 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? In-Reply-To: <000c01c94525$a644c100$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> References: <000c01c94525$a644c100$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F106C9490E@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Ray - I work with track changes in Word 2003. Here are a few items that can help Christine. She can call me at the office tomorrow and I can hopefully answer any additional questions. See phone numbers below. CTRL-SHIFT-E when in a Word document will toggle track changes on and off. JAWS will tell you whether it is on or off. With track changes on, Word will automatically mark deletions and insertions in a document. JAWS tells me when I am entering and leaving changes. You need the REVIEWING toolbar to accept and reject changes. To turn on the toolbar, follow these steps: Alt-V to open the VIEW menu T to go to the toolbars v arrow down to the reviewing toolbar and press enter Once the reviewing toolbar is on then you can go to it and select the appropriate button or other selections on the toolbar. To get to the toolbar press ALT to get to the menu bar CTRL-TAB will then move you through the different toolbars that are open. When I get to my REVIEWING toolbar, JAWS says Display for Review You can move through the REVIEWING Toolbar by using either the TAB or the arrow keys. JAWS will tell you Previous - Go to the previous change Next - Go to the next change Accept - Accept the change Reject - Reject the change To delete the comments, I think you have to be our of track changes and then search for them and delete them individually. Randy Randal S. Farber Jackson Walker L.L.P. 1401 McKinney, Suite 1900 Houston, Texas 77010 713-752-4241 - Phone 713-308-4120 - Fax RFarber at JW.Com -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Wayne Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:21 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? Can anyone help Christine, whose questions I am forwarding? I know a lot of you work with track changes, and I have never taken on the task of figuring it out. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Grassman To: Ray Wayne Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? I've reviewed the forwards. I didn't find info on how I can actually accept, reject, or edit the revisions. In the screen version, there are apparently a left arrow and right arrow to take you backwards or forwards through proposed changes, a blue checkmark to accept, and a red X to reject. I can't find these. Also, I want to know how to delete all the commentary. I'm told a pop-up should come up if you"hover your mouse over the comment and right-click" -- which, of course, I can't do. Could you forward this with my e-mail address and ask if folks could help me out with the intracacies of working with track changes? I've got Word 2003 and JAWS 9. Thanks for your help, Ray. Christine P.S. I'm carbon-copying some other "in the know" Federationists who might be able to help, but it seems the lawyers work with this a great deal, and I just don't have the time to add myself to another emial list! _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.c om -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At least this is my general understanding. > Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BRIAN LANGLOIS" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:16 PM > Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not > > > > Hello, All, > > I'm interested in information regarding a possible action by lender Sallie > > Mae who said that they have the ability to garnish SSDI to recover funds > > for > > student loans. > > My guess is that they do have the authority to attach a portion of > > disability benefits if the balance is in default. > > I appreciate any information. > > Thanks! > > Brian Langlois > > > > Brian J. Langlois > > (978) 857-7126 > > Haverhill, MA USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob al.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/langlois2%40verizo n.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1783 - Release Date: 11/12/08 10:01 AM > > From claviet at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 02:14:47 2008 From: claviet at gmail.com (Toni Clavie) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:14:47 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Study aids follow-up question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71E163A0F475473DA534EA8E04065773@Toshiyo> Hi, Are you referring to the flash card series published by aspen? They have a program that has the Emanuel outlines and as well as the Law in a Flash series. The web address is http://www.aspenlaw.com The application is called the AspenLaw Studydesk. There is a trial version you can use to see if it's what you're looking for. I hope this was helpful! Toni Clavie J.D. Candidate, 2011, Florida A&M University College of Law -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces+claviet=gmail.com at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces+claviet=gmail.com at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:23 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Study aids follow-up question James or anyone else on this list: Can you tell me again where you found the "Law in a Flash" electronic flashcards? I've done a search on Google, on Amazon, and www.legalbookstore.com and have found the "law in a Flash" series, but I believe they are referring to books (it didn't say software specifically). Has anyone heard of or tried the Quizzer software that's based on Gilbert's Law Summaries? It has all of the classes I'm taking and sounds like something I could really use. However, since things are tight for me, I hate to spend money on something that won't work. Any information at all would be helpful. Thanks. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw/claviet%40gmail.com From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 14 03:30:52 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:30:52 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Study aids follow-up question In-Reply-To: <71E163A0F475473DA534EA8E04065773@Toshiyo> References: <71E163A0F475473DA534EA8E04065773@Toshiyo> Message-ID: <50A036EE-4192-4281-B306-6E02A09BC70A@sbcglobal.net> That would be it in a modern version I suppose. I'm ten years out of date. On Nov 13, 2008, at 6:14 PM, Toni Clavie wrote: > Hi, > Are you referring to the flash card series published by aspen? > > They have a program that has the Emanuel outlines and as well as the > Law in > a Flash series. > The web address is > http://www.aspenlaw.com > The application is called the AspenLaw Studydesk. > There is a trial version you can use to see if it's what you're > looking for. > > I hope this was helpful! > > > Toni Clavie > > J.D. Candidate, 2011, > Florida A&M University College of Law > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces+claviet=gmail.com at nfbnet.org > [mailto:blindlaw-bounces+claviet=gmail.com at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Leslie > Fairall > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:23 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Study aids follow-up question > > James or anyone else on this list: > > Can you tell me again where you found the "Law in a Flash" electronic > flashcards? I've done a search on Google, on Amazon, and > www.legalbookstore.com and have found the "law in a Flash" series, > but I > believe they are referring to books (it didn't say software > specifically). > Has anyone heard of or tried the Quizzer software that's based on > Gilbert's Law Summaries? It has all of the classes I'm taking and > sounds > like something I could really use. However, since things are tight > for me, > I hate to spend money on something that won't work. Any information > at all > would be helpful. Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw/claviet%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From fairall at shellworld.net Fri Nov 14 12:05:32 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:05:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Study aids follow-up question In-Reply-To: <71E163A0F475473DA534EA8E04065773@Toshiyo> References: <71E163A0F475473DA534EA8E04065773@Toshiyo> Message-ID: I was able to find Most of the "Law in a Flash" series on CD used from Barnes and Noble. It took some playing around, but I figured out how to make it work with Jaws. Since it is old, I'm wondering if Aspen Studydesk or any other electronic study aid is accessible? I know Thompson West puts out Quizzer, which is keyed to three or four casebooks in each subject, but don't how accessible it is. "Law in A Flash" will work for the midterm next Friday though. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Nov 14 16:24:24 2008 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:24:24 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Director of Disability Rights in D.C. Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: ESD GP GCDE-INFO [mailto:GCDE-INFO at ESD.WA.GOV] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:15 PM To: GCDE-INFO at LISTSERV.WA.GOV Subject: FW: [leadership] FW: Job Announcement in D.C. Job opening in Washington, DC Director - Office of Disability Rights Application Deadline: Monday, December 8, 2008 Mayor Adrian Fenty is dramatically improving city services in the District of Columbia and making these services more accessible to residents with disabilities. To accomplish this, he continues to recruit exceptional leaders and is now seeking a Director for the Office of Disability Rights (ODR). The ideal ODR Director views public service as "customer service" and will combine energy, achievement, and the ability to attract and motivate other exceptional people to produce targeted results. Innovative backgrounds and clarity of vision will set candidates apart, as will strong communication and advocacy skills. The Office of Disability Rights (ODR) is a cabinet-level agency established by the Disability Rights Protection Act of 2006, a culmination of collaborations between organizations in the disability community and the DC Council. ODR began operations in November 2007 and is charged with helping the DC government comply with the federal Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). ODR currently has a staff of 10, including a Director, Deputy Director, Communications Specialist, Staff Assistant, Special Assistant, Architect, and four ADA Compliance Specialists. The ODR Director reports to the City Administrator and has a budget of $1,469,965 in FY 2009. He or she coordinates and oversees the District's ADA Compliance Program and makes recommendations to the Mayor for addressing deficiencies. In addition to ensuring the District's compliance with the ADA, the ODR Director evaluates District compliance with Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act and the disability rights provisions of the DC Human Rights Act. The Director also proposes rules and regulations for the implementation of the Disability Rights Protection Act and submits annual Olmstead Compliance Plans to the Mayor and City Council. ODR is involved in multiple initiatives to provide technical assistance, training, policy guidance, and expertise on disability rights issues to District agencies, employees and the disability community. These initiatives include dispute resolution services for DC residents, visitors, and DC government employees with disabilities. ODR also holds trainings for DC government agencies on the ADA and other disability rights laws; works with the Office of Property Management and the DC Department of Transportation to increase accessibility of District-owned and leased facilities; administers the District's sign language interpreter program and reasonable accommodation funding; and works closely with the DC Commission on Persons with Disabilities and local and national disability organizations. Qualifications Successful candidates must demonstrate: (1) knowledge of the ADA and related disability rights laws; (2) understanding of assistive technology and alternative formats used by individuals with disabilities; (3) understanding of current best-practice policies, programs, services, and support systems for individuals with disabilities; (4) familiarity with local and federal funding streams supporting services to people with disabilities; (5) experience in evaluating and managing accessibility programs; and (6) exceptional ability to successfully advocate for and implement new policies and/or programs. list of 2 items * Candidate must have a J.D., masters or related degree. Candidates with a J.D are preferred. * In addition, candidates should be able to develop and administer an operational and programming budget, communicate effectively and manage and motivate a high caliber staff. Salary and Residency Requirement The Director of the Office of Disability Rights is an E3 employee with a salary range of $100,848- $151,081. The incumbent must be a resident of the District of Columbia or be willing to become a resident within six months of his/her appointment. Application Instructions Interested candidates should forward a resume and cover letter via email to inessa.lurye at dc.gov by December 8, 2008. list end block quote block quote Applications may also be forwarded to: Executive Office of the Mayor Office of the City Administrator Attn: Inessa Lurye 1350 Pennsylvania Ave., NW, Suite 533 Washington, DC 20004 From fairall at shellworld.net Fri Nov 14 22:46:13 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:46:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Message-ID: I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks. From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 14 23:47:18 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:47:18 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will submit your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic reader. Again, good luck. James On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: > I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will > need to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type > the essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I > would give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people > who will be using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and > will upload their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who > have taken the bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you > took the California bar, that's even better but all responses are > welcome. Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Nov 15 00:58:57 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:58:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Were you required to use ExamSoft, James? If so, how did it work for you? I did not know that your exam could be provided in electronic format now. I thought the formats were large print, Braille, or a reader. How did you fill in the bubble sheet for your multiple choice questions? I've normally used a Braille exam and a reader to fill in my answers. If there is now a way to do this independently, that's even better! From everett at zufelt.ca Sat Nov 15 01:24:40 2008 From: everett at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:24:40 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations References: Message-ID: <000a01c946c0$eed0b450$0a02a8c0@everett704e491> Good evening, I didn't take a barr exam, but here are the accommodations that I was granted for the LSAT. 1. A reader / transcriber for all of the questions. a. I was able to work with the reader before the LSAT and had the option to reject the reder and request a new reader. 2. For the logic portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop to work through the questions. 3. for the writing portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop and saved my answer on a memory stick provided by the reader. I didn't do amazingly well, but I didn't pay a single dollar for the first year of law school, so things must of gone well enough. Not to mention I had the flu on the day I wrote the LSAT and had to blow my nose every 20 minutes. HTH, Everett ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisberg" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish > you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to > avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when > it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your > accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your > adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will submit > your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me > diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should > contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in > electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to > discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic > reader. Again, good luck. > > James > On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: > >> I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need >> to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the >> essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would >> give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be >> using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload >> their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the >> bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California >> bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.ca > From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 15 01:52:53 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:52:53 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> You can request the exam in electronic format. The Bar goes on about the requirement of using examsoft but when it came down to it they decided to just provide diskettes to me. Multiple choice is another matter. I don't know about electronic format. But for the mulitstate bar exam which is also multiple choice, it is provided in cassette format if requested. Perhaps the Cal Bar will do the same?? You will need a scribe to input your answers into the spaces. Providing only braille, large print or a reader does not afford accommodation for those who use adaptive equipment for various reasons. They are required to allow you to use your Pac Mate if it is required adaptive equipment. A final and MOST important caveat: IF YOU HAVE A READER FOR ANY REASON, REQUEST AND INSIST YOU HAVE SOMEONE FROM DOR TEST THIS INDIVIDUAL'S ABILITY TO READ A BAR QUESTION CORRECTLY IN ONE PASS! The Bar will not test the people they hire for reading competency so if you don't have someone test them with an old exam question you are rolling the dice. Good Luck. PS - Also demand extra time on the exam!!! It takes longer to read with your fingers or using adaptive equipment. On Nov 14, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: > Were you required to use ExamSoft, James? If so, how did it work for > you? I did not know that your exam could be provided in electronic > format now. I thought the formats were large print, Braille, or a > reader. How did you fill in the bubble sheet for your multiple > choice questions? I've normally used a Braille exam and a reader to > fill in my answers. If there is now a way to do this independently, > that's even better! > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From jsorozco at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 03:10:35 2008 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:10:35 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up In-Reply-To: <000a01c946c0$eed0b450$0a02a8c0@everett704e491> Message-ID: <0D1B01038D91414298A1C0AB63694DB0@MonkeyPaw> Everett, A laptop accommodation? I had such an accommodation for the GRE, but I've heard so many horror stories of dealing with the LSAC that I thought a Perkins was going to be the extent of my additional tools. Did you have someone else note the accommodation on their evaluation, or did you get away with noting it on your own general form? Thank you in advance. Joe Orozco "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M. Barrie -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Good evening, I didn't take a barr exam, but here are the accommodations that I was granted for the LSAT. 1. A reader / transcriber for all of the questions. a. I was able to work with the reader before the LSAT and had the option to reject the reder and request a new reader. 2. For the logic portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop to work through the questions. 3. for the writing portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop and saved my answer on a memory stick provided by the reader. I didn't do amazingly well, but I didn't pay a single dollar for the first year of law school, so things must of gone well enough. Not to mention I had the flu on the day I wrote the LSAT and had to blow my nose every 20 minutes. HTH, Everett ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisberg" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish > you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to > avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when > it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your > accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your > adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will submit > your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me > diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should > contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in > electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to > discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic > reader. Again, good luck. > > James > On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: > >> I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need >> to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the >> essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would >> give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be >> using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload >> their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the >> bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California >> bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%4 0sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.c a > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsorozco%40gmail.c om From timandvickie at hotmail.com Sat Nov 15 03:41:15 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:41:15 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up In-Reply-To: <0D1B01038D91414298A1C0AB63694DB0@MonkeyPaw> References: <000a01c946c0$eed0b450$0a02a8c0@everett704e491> <0D1B01038D91414298A1C0AB63694DB0@MonkeyPaw> Message-ID: Ya daeling with the LSAC so far sucks as far as I am concerned. Having to dig up SAT scores and stuff for tests i took 10 years ago and stuff. I told my doctor everything i was requesting on my own form so that he could not it on his as well. My doctor was lat submitting my papers to LSAC tough by one day so I had to bump back my testing day til February for the LSAT whihc will put me last in line for law school admissions. They told me in the letter notifying me that they recieved my papers to late to contac them to let hem knwo if i was my accomodations to be considered for the next testing date and I did and I really dont see the point of contacting them because their response says I have to redo all the paperwork anyway so why didnt I jsut do that why did I have tot tell them? lol. They made it soudn like theyd jsut review the papers I had submitted towards the next test date instead.> From: jsorozco at gmail.com> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:10:35 -0500> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up> > Everett,> > A laptop accommodation? I had such an accommodation for the GRE, but I've> heard so many horror stories of dealing with the LSAC that I thought a> Perkins was going to be the extent of my additional tools. Did you have> someone else note the accommodation on their evaluation, or did you get away> with noting it on your own general form? Thank you in advance.> > Joe Orozco> > "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.> Barrie> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 PM> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations> > Good evening,> > I didn't take a barr exam, but here are the accommodations that I was> granted for the LSAT.> > 1. A reader / transcriber for all of the questions.> a. I was able to work with the reader before the LSAT and had the option to> reject the reder and request a new reader.> > 2. For the logic portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop> to work through the questions.> > 3. for the writing portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop> and saved my answer on a memory stick provided by the reader.> > I didn't do amazingly well, but I didn't pay a single dollar for the first> year of law school, so things must of gone well enough. Not to mention I> had the flu on the day I wrote the LSAT and had to blow my nose every 20> minutes.> > HTH,> Everett> > > ----- Original Message -----> From: "James Weisberg" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:47 PM> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations> > > > Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish > > you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to > > avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when > > it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your > > accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your > > adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will submit> > > your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me > > diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should > > contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in > > electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to > > discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic > > reader. Again, good luck.> >> > James> > On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote:> >> >> I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need > >> to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the > >> essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would > >> give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be > >> using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload > >> their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the > >> bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California > >> bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks.> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw mailing list> >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw:> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%4> 0sbcglobal.net> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.c> a> > > > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsorozco%40gmail.c> om> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Nov 15 03:58:20 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:58:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Hi James: Are you saying that only the essay portion is in electronic format? I hope not. If I can get the whole exam in electronic format, I will request it along with a scribe to fill in my answers. I plan on asking for extra time. I'm a pretty fast Braille reader, but may need to use extra time on the essays. However, I'm speaking from inexperience here, having never written an essay under timed conditions before. I can usually make the time limit for multiple choice questions though. That does bring up another question. For those of you who took the bar or a test like the FYLSE, did you need extra time to write your essays? Thanks for all responses and input. From cjborne at comcast.net Sat Nov 15 04:47:11 2008 From: cjborne at comcast.net (Craig Borne) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:47:11 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <00d901c946dd$39306740$6700a8c0@computer> In Maryland, I had double time for the 12 essays, which were given to me electronically. For the multi-states, I also had double time, but it was read to me by a reader/scribe. She did an excellent job. If you go this route, I would suggest finding out the name and number of the reader and practice a little with him/her. I did, and I felt much better going into the exam because it was not an unknown quantity. Craig Craig Borne, Esq. Baltimore, Maryland "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:58 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Hi James: Are you saying that only the essay portion is in electronic format? I hope not. If I can get the whole exam in electronic format, I will request it along with a scribe to fill in my answers. I plan on asking for extra time. I'm a pretty fast Braille reader, but may need to use extra time on the essays. However, I'm speaking from inexperience here, having never written an essay under timed conditions before. I can usually make the time limit for multiple choice questions though. That does bring up another question. For those of you who took the bar or a test like the FYLSE, did you need extra time to write your essays? Thanks for all responses and input. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjborne%40comcast. net From everett at zufelt.ca Sat Nov 15 05:05:03 2008 From: everett at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:05:03 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up References: <0D1B01038D91414298A1C0AB63694DB0@MonkeyPaw> Message-ID: <002601c946df$bb40b080$0a02a8c0@everett704e491> Good evening Joe, After hearing all of the horror stories I was a bit nervous when applying for an LSAC accommodation. However, I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to get my accommodation. 1. I applied for the LSAC. 2. I took the accommodation forms to an optomotrist, I haven't had my own optholmologist in a few years. 3. I told the generic optomotrist what accommodations I needed. He thought it was reasonable and approved it on the form. 4. I sent in the form and within 2 weeks I was approved. The only difficulty I ran into was that they wanted me to go to an LSAT testing centre that was in another state (actually another country). I wanted to take the test in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada. They suggested somewhere in the state of Maine. So, I contacted the University of New Brunswick's Student Accessibility Centre. Once I confirmed that they would work with the testing program at the University campus in Fredericton to provide a reader I contacted LSAC again and they very quickly changed my testing location to Fredericton, the location I had originally requested. HTH, Everett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up > Everett, > > A laptop accommodation? I had such an accommodation for the GRE, but I've > heard so many horror stories of dealing with the LSAC that I thought a > Perkins was going to be the extent of my additional tools. Did you have > someone else note the accommodation on their evaluation, or did you get > away > with noting it on your own general form? Thank you in advance. > > Joe Orozco > > "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James > M. > Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > > Good evening, > > I didn't take a barr exam, but here are the accommodations that I was > granted for the LSAT. > > 1. A reader / transcriber for all of the questions. > a. I was able to work with the reader before the LSAT and had the option > to > reject the reder and request a new reader. > > 2. For the logic portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop > to work through the questions. > > 3. for the writing portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal > laptop > and saved my answer on a memory stick provided by the reader. > > I didn't do amazingly well, but I didn't pay a single dollar for the first > year of law school, so things must of gone well enough. Not to mention I > had the flu on the day I wrote the LSAT and had to blow my nose every 20 > minutes. > > HTH, > Everett > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Weisberg" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > > >> Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish >> you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to >> avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when >> it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your >> accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your >> adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will >> submit > >> your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me >> diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should >> contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in >> electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to >> discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic >> reader. Again, good luck. >> >> James >> On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: >> >>> I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need >>> to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the >>> essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would >>> give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be >>> using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload >>> their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the >>> bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California >>> bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%4 > 0sbcglobal.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.c > a >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsorozco%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.ca From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 15 05:06:59 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:06:59 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <6D03925E-6AFC-40B5-8868-7BE7E4D6E92F@sbcglobal.net> ask for extra time for everything!!!!! Why not? I am not certain about the extent to which the exam is in electronic format but you can be sure you can get the essay questions in electronic format. I suggest you find some old essay questions and practice answering them under timed conditions considering your lack of experience in these situations. On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: > Hi James: > > Are you saying that only the essay portion is in electronic format? > I hope not. If I can get the whole exam in electronic format, I will > request it along with a scribe to fill in my answers. I plan on > asking for extra time. I'm a pretty fast Braille reader, but may > need to use extra time on the essays. However, I'm speaking from > inexperience here, having never written an essay under timed > conditions before. I can usually make the time limit for multiple > choice questions though. That does bring up another question. For > those of you who took the bar or a test like the FYLSE, did you need > extra time to write your essays? Thanks for all responses and input. > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 15 05:24:13 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:24:13 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: <00d901c946dd$39306740$6700a8c0@computer> References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> <00d901c946dd$39306740$6700a8c0@computer> Message-ID: I would be shocked if Cal Bar will release the name or anything else concerning your prospective reader/scribe. Way too paranoid about the prospect for cheating. On Nov 14, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Craig Borne wrote: > In Maryland, I had double time for the 12 essays, which were given > to me > electronically. For the multi-states, I also had double time, but > it was > read to me by a reader/scribe. She did an excellent job. If you go > this > route, I would suggest finding out the name and number of the reader > and > practice a little with him/her. I did, and I felt much better going > into > the exam because it was not an unknown quantity. > > Craig > > Craig Borne, Esq. > Baltimore, Maryland > "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial > appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in > defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw- > bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Leslie Fairall > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:58 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > > Hi James: > > Are you saying that only the essay portion is in electronic format? > I hope > not. If I can get the whole exam in electronic format, I will > request it > along with a scribe to fill in my answers. I plan on asking for extra > time. I'm a pretty fast Braille reader, but may need to use extra > time on > the essays. However, I'm speaking from inexperience here, having never > written an essay under timed conditions before. I can usually make the > time limit for multiple choice questions though. That does bring up > another question. For those of you who took the bar or a test like the > FYLSE, did you need extra time to write your essays? Thanks for all > responses and input. > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjborne%40comcast > . > net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Nov 15 05:40:07 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:40:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> <00d901c946dd$39306740$6700a8c0@computer> Message-ID: Hi Craig: How were your answers to the essays submitted? did you use a laptop and submit them on a disk? From joramsey at cox.net Sat Nov 15 06:36:29 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:36:29 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <18D0DDE14F8E4CEB93E5675686F41F3E@noneeb869fea9a> Hello Leslie, I was granted extra time on the Florida bar on both parts. I asked for this as part of my accommodations. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:58 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Hi James: Are you saying that only the essay portion is in electronic format? I hope not. If I can get the whole exam in electronic format, I will request it along with a scribe to fill in my answers. I plan on asking for extra time. I'm a pretty fast Braille reader, but may need to use extra time on the essays. However, I'm speaking from inexperience here, having never written an essay under timed conditions before. I can usually make the time limit for multiple choice questions though. That does bring up another question. For those of you who took the bar or a test like the FYLSE, did you need extra time to write your essays? Thanks for all responses and input. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM From joramsey at cox.net Sat Nov 15 06:40:08 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:40:08 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Again, Here in Florida, I was allowed to use my laptop and submit the essays on disk however the laptop had to contain nothing more than windows and word (basically) and the board of bar examiners examined it religiously and kept it away from me the night prior to the exam. I provided my answers on disk. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:40 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Hi Craig: How were your answers to the essays submitted? did you use a laptop and submit them on a disk? _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Nov 15 15:59:41 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:59:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John: How did you handle the multiple choice questions? Did you get the test in braille, electronic format, or use a reader? It would be nice if blind people could just type our multiple choic answers instead of using a scribe. But to my knowledge, that's never been done before. My main concern is being allowed to use my Pac Mate. If I call it a "Braille laptop (since they understand what a laptop does), I run the risk of them asking me to use ExamSoft. If I tell them I need to use a Braille notetaker, I run the risk of them denying me because they won't know what a notetaker is. From cjborne at comcast.net Sat Nov 15 16:48:58 2008 From: cjborne at comcast.net (Craig Borne) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:48:58 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net><00d901c946dd$39306740$6700a8c0@computer> Message-ID: <000901c94742$0e60ac40$6700a8c0@computer> Yes, I used a laptop, and the Board provided the essay questions and any other materials (statutes, etc.) on a disk. I typed up my answers and saved it on the original disk. Craig Craig Borne, Esq. Baltimore, Maryland "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:40 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Hi Craig: How were your answers to the essays submitted? did you use a laptop and submit them on a disk? _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjborne%40comcast. net From joramsey at cox.net Sat Nov 15 16:55:23 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:55:23 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <98EB693FDCF14761BB9CE2233CE7A6FC@noneeb869fea9a> I was able to use my laptop without examsoft because at the time examsoft was incompatible with JFW and they did not want to get involved with trying to get around that argument. I also had the dean of my law school send a letter saying that I was never required to use examsoft. As for the multiple choice, I definitely had to use the reader and scribe method. I have never heard of anyone receiving electronic versions of the multiple choice either. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:00 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Hi John: How did you handle the multiple choice questions? Did you get the test in braille, electronic format, or use a reader? It would be nice if blind people could just type our multiple choic answers instead of using a scribe. But to my knowledge, that's never been done before. My main concern is being allowed to use my Pac Mate. If I call it a "Braille laptop (since they understand what a laptop does), I run the risk of them asking me to use ExamSoft. If I tell them I need to use a Braille notetaker, I run the risk of them denying me because they won't know what a notetaker is. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1790 - Release Date: 11/15/2008 9:32 AM From mpeskoe at insightbb.com Sat Nov 15 16:56:54 2008 From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:56:54 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Looking for MB\a's or MBA Students Message-ID: I have been asked to circulate the following: Dave Hello, my name is Melanie Peskoe. I am from Louisville, Kentucky and I will be starting an MBA program soon. I would like to connect with other NFB members who either have their MBA, or are pursuing an MBA. I specifically would like to find out about general MBA program structure and what alternative techniques you've used in and out of the classroom. I'd like to know also, in day to day work, what computer programs, charts, graphs, etc. do you encounter and how do you access them. I would be interested in finding a group of people to either start a list or meet during the convention next year. Please feel free to email me at mpeskoe at insightbb.com. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Melanie Peskoe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail24.dat Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 15 19:31:36 2008 From: goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net (Sarah Clark) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:31:36 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up References: <0D1B01038D91414298A1C0AB63694DB0@MonkeyPaw> Message-ID: <006e01c94758$c8aaa310$6701a8c0@computer2> Hi Joe, When I took the LSAT I requested and was given permission to use my laptop both for the writing sample and for notetaking during the other sections of the test. My physician requested it, and I also listed it on my form. I don't know what weight this information carries, but someone at LSAC did tell me that they tend to listen to the accomodation requests from doctors. Use of a laptop wasn't granted initially when I alone requested it, but I appealed it and simply provided a letter from my doctor and at that point it was approved. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up > Everett, > > A laptop accommodation? I had such an accommodation for the GRE, but I've > heard so many horror stories of dealing with the LSAC that I thought a > Perkins was going to be the extent of my additional tools. Did you have > someone else note the accommodation on their evaluation, or did you get > away > with noting it on your own general form? Thank you in advance. > > Joe Orozco > > "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James > M. > Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > > Good evening, > > I didn't take a barr exam, but here are the accommodations that I was > granted for the LSAT. > > 1. A reader / transcriber for all of the questions. > a. I was able to work with the reader before the LSAT and had the option > to > reject the reder and request a new reader. > > 2. For the logic portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop > to work through the questions. > > 3. for the writing portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal > laptop > and saved my answer on a memory stick provided by the reader. > > I didn't do amazingly well, but I didn't pay a single dollar for the first > year of law school, so things must of gone well enough. Not to mention I > had the flu on the day I wrote the LSAT and had to blow my nose every 20 > minutes. > > HTH, > Everett > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Weisberg" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > > >> Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish >> you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to >> avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when >> it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your >> accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your >> adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will >> submit > >> your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me >> diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should >> contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in >> electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to >> discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic >> reader. Again, good luck. >> >> James >> On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: >> >>> I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need >>> to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the >>> essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would >>> give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be >>> using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload >>> their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the >>> bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California >>> bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%4 > 0sbcglobal.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.c > a >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsorozco%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/goldflash9%40sbcglobal.net From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Sun Nov 16 00:16:58 2008 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:16:58 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> <6D03925E-6AFC-40B5-8868-7BE7E4D6E92F@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1CD1223DDD4442E9983603FD546DA06E@valtd> When I took the LSAT five years ago, I got all the exams in Braille per my request. I had a Scrybe who marked my answers on the answer sheet. The Scrybe also re-read the questions to me when I needed to MAKE COMPARISONS BETWEEN THE PRINT COPY OF THE EXAM AND MY BRAILLE COPY. She was a MAGNIFICENT reader and I hope I can get her again when I rewrite the test again some time next year. Although I DID NOT finish the test in the allotted time, I scored 145 on the test; I never MADE IT TO THE ESSAY portion of the test. I DID NOT get into a law school because I had ALLOWED SO MUCH TIME to elapse before applying to a law school. Now, I am CONSIDERING A CERTIFICATE PROGRAM in Paralegal Studies and hope to begin in the Spring semester. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From fairall at shellworld.net Sun Nov 16 01:39:48 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:39:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: <1CD1223DDD4442E9983603FD546DA06E@valtd> References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> <6D03925E-6AFC-40B5-8868-7BE7E4D6E92F@sbcglobal.net> <1CD1223DDD4442E9983603FD546DA06E@valtd> Message-ID: If law school is still your goal, you might want to consider Concord Law School, which is entirely online and does not require the LSAT to be admitted. Let me know if you have any questions. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Nov 18 18:17:03 2008 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:17:03 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Education Department issues loan repayment regulations, ABA Washington Letter, November 2008 Message-ID: Since many on this list are practicing for public interest or governments, I thought the below article would be of interest. Link: http://www.abanet.org/poladv/wl/08nov/#no7 Text: Education Department issues loan repayment regulations The Department of Education issued final regulations Oct. 23 to implement P.L. 110-84 (H.R. 2669), a new law that provides, among other things, student loan forgiveness and repayment options for those who accept low-paying public interest employment, including legal positions. The new law, enacted in September 2007, provides for cancellation of loans under the William Ford Direct Loan program for borrowers who make 120 monthly payments on those loans while employed in qualifying public service positions. The act also allows those in public interest positions to consolidate other qualifying federal student loans into the direct loan programs for the purposes of pursuing loan forgiveness. In addition, borrowers can opt for the Ford program's income-contingent repayment option and, by July 2009, for a more generous income-based repayment option that caps a borrower's monthly payments at an affordable percentage of his or her net income. "We believe that these changes provide vital tools necessary to bridge a gap between growing demands on the public sector in the delivery of critical services and the increasing insurmountable inability of higher education graduates with substantial student loan debt loans to be able to afford to take these usually lower-paying positions," ABA Governmental Affairs Director Thomas M. Susman wrote in a letter to the Education Department commenting on the regulations when they were proposed last summer. According to the regulation announcement, most of the 1,700 comments received by the Education Department addressed the public service loan forgiveness program and came from law schools, law students, legal aid centers, clinics and associations, public interest attorneys and public defenders. In response to some of the comments, including those from the ABA, the regulations clarified that October 1, 2007, was the effective date for the beginning of the public service loan forgiveness program and that the law requires that qualifying payments must be made while the borrower is providing the qualifying full-time service. The department will develop a form for borrowers to use to apply for the public service loan forgiveness program that will include an employer certification section and instructions regarding supporting documentation. For the purposes of the program, the regulations set "full-time" to mean 30 hours per week or as an employer prescribes, whichever is longer. They also clarified that persons working part-time but otherwise qualifying could aggregate their hours to meet the 30-hour full-time threshold. In addition, the department included intergovernmental or public regional agencies in the definition of "government" in the regulations. The department also will be developing regulations for P.L. 110-315 (H.R. 4137), a Higher Education Act reauthorization bill signed by the president Aug. 14 that includes the following four new loan forgiveness and repayment programs to benefit public interest lawyers. The John R. Justice Prosecutors and Defenders Incentive Act. Offers state and local prosecutors and public defenders $10,000 per year in exchange for a one-time renewable three-year commitment. The Legal Assistance Loan Repayment Program. Provides civil legal assistance lawyers with $6,000 per year in renewable three-year contracts up to $40,000; Loan Forgiveness for Service in Areas of National Need. Provides no more than $2,000 per year for five years to public sector employees that include those in public interest legal services such as prosecutors, public defenders, or legal advocates in low-income communities at non-profit organizations. Perkins Loan Cancellation for Public Service. Includes a percentage of loan cancellation based on years of service for persons in specified public service jobs that include federal public defenders and community defenders. With the exception of the John R. Justice program, P.L. 110-315 prevents those benefiting from one loan forgiveness/repayment program from also benefiting from another, including the programs under P.L. 110-84. From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 18:25:18 2008 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:25:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] blind attorney in D.C./Northern Virginia metro area Message-ID: <677757.13110.qm@web90303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello.   I've heard about this list and finally found out how to join.   I am an attorney who is licensed in Virginia. I live in the D.C. metro area on the Virginia side.   I am unemployed and looking for a job. I have a couple of questions for any lawyers licensed in Virginia, D.C., or both.   Thank you.   Mike   From LRovig at nfb.org Wed Nov 19 20:03:46 2008 From: LRovig at nfb.org (Rovig, Lorraine) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:03:46 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Employment Opportunities @ DC Department on Disability Services Message-ID: <33F75BFED8B0464E98F88836186BA754012D1472@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local> ________________________________ From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Coffron, Andrew (DDS) Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:09 PM To: NFBNET.ORG; DDVI; DisabledPerson.com; DOL; Melwood; PVA; VA DBVI Cc: Coffron, Andrew (DDS) Subject: Employment Opportunities Available @ District of Columbia Government Agency, Department on Disability Services THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA DEPARTMENT ON DISABILITY SERVICES EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES The DC Department on Disability Services (DDS) has several employment opportunities and is interested in receiving applications from qualified individuals who are committed to improving the quality of life for individuals with disabilities. Please see the listing of current opportunities: Reference Posting Title Grade Agency Area of Consideration Closing Date 12262 Rights Complaint Specialist 12 Department on Disability Services Open to Public Open Until December 2nd, 2008 12247 Program Support Assistant 6 Department on Disability Services Open to Public Open Until November 28th, 2008 12245 Management Analyst 13 Department on Disability Services Open to Public Open Until November 28th, 2008 11985 Vocational Rehabilitation Specialist 9, 11 Department on Disability Services Open to Public Open Until Filled 11960 Program Manager 15 Department on Disability Services Open to Public Open Until Filled If interested in learning more about any of the above opportunities, please visit the DC Human Resources Website at http://dcop.dc.gov/, click on "employment opportunities" and then on "view listing". The list of available positions can be sorted by agency. Applications can be submitted online via the website. Individuals not able to access the website or apply on-line can contact the Department on Disability Services HR office at (202) 730-1712 (if needed, please use voice-relay,) and ask to speak to a recruiter. Please forward this information liberally. Andrew Coffron Human Resources Specialist Office of Human Resources Department on Disability Services 1125 15th Street, N.W., 2nd Floor Washington, D.C. 20005 Office: (202) 730-1712 Fax: (202) 730-1515 Andrew.Coffron at dc.gov http://www.dc.gov/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it, may contain confidential information, trade secret information or information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify me by reply e-mail, and destroy the original transmission and its attachments. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/lrovig%40nfb.org From AZNOR99 at aol.com Wed Nov 19 21:47:17 2008 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:47:17 EST Subject: [blindlaw] blind attorney in D.C./Northern Virginia metro area Message-ID: Hi Mike, There are a lot of us in the DC metro area. Perhaps you could ask your questions and those on the list who can answer you will. Regards, Ronza In a message dated 11/19/2008 2:47:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com writes: Hello. I've heard about this list and finally found out how to join. I am an attorney who is licensed in Virginia. I live in the D.C. metro area on the Virginia side. I am unemployed and looking for a job. I have a couple of questions for any lawyers licensed in Virginia, D.C., or both. Thank you. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From KBorowicz at accessliving.org Wed Nov 19 23:40:00 2008 From: KBorowicz at accessliving.org (Kim Borowicz) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:40:00 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs In-Reply-To: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> References: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> Message-ID: I have attached some info on the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007. There is also some good information on the Equal Justice Works website. In a nutshell, it forgives your loans after making 120 monthly payments. But your loans have to be through federal direct loans (which you can do by consolidating) and you have to make payments through Income Based or Income Contingent Payments (not extended year payments, which is the standard method of payment, so you would have to call the Dept of Ed to change it). Kim Borowicz Staff Attorney Access Living 115 W. Chicago Ave Chicago, IL 60654 (312) 640-2155 (312) 640-2169 TTY (312) 640-2139 Fax -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:44 AM To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan forgiveness programs? Cordially, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kborowicz%40ac cessliving.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1780 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 8:58 PM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Loan Forgiveness, Equal Justice Works.pdf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 97785 bytes Desc: Loan Forgiveness, Equal Justice Works.pdf URL: From KBorowicz at accessliving.org Thu Nov 20 22:52:44 2008 From: KBorowicz at accessliving.org (Kim Borowicz) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:52:44 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Bluebook online Message-ID: The Bluebook is now available online. I just discovered this and thought that others might find it helpful as well. It is at www.legalbluebook.com Kim Borowicz Staff Attorney Access Living 115 W. Chicago Ave Chicago, IL 60654 (312) 640-2155 (312) 640-2169 TTY (312) 640-2139 Fax From fairall at shellworld.net Fri Nov 21 04:38:56 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:38:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Concord Law School info chat (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:46:50 -0800 (PST) From: Miriam Billington Reply-To: CLS-SBA-FYLSX-1L at yahoogroups.com To: CLS-SBA-FYLSX-1L at yahoogroups.com Subject: [FYLSX & 1L Group] Concord info chat If there's anyone in your life who wants to know more about Concord, Prof. Berman is hosting this info chat that's open and free to the public: Please invite friends, family, colleagues, and others to experience Concord!!! WHEN: Tuesday, December 9th, 5pm-6pm PT WHAT: Inside Tips to Success in Law School --an interactive session, totally free of charge, that can be attended from anywhere in the world. All that is needed is internet access, a name and email address. Register now at www.experienceconcord.com WHERE: Online in Concord's 21st century law classroom at www.experienceconcord.com REGISTER: www.experienceconcord.comWHO: Open to the Public. Join Law Professor and Author Sara J. Berman to learn more about the law school experience and get your questions answered. From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 21 05:17:53 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:17:53 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Concord Law School info chat (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EE211E09119415CA0C0F45B1AC887D7@spike> Thanks for posting this, I just signed up. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Fairall" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Concord Law School info chat (fwd) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:46:50 -0800 (PST) > From: Miriam Billington > Reply-To: CLS-SBA-FYLSX-1L at yahoogroups.com > To: CLS-SBA-FYLSX-1L at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FYLSX & 1L Group] Concord info chat > > If there's anyone in your life who wants to know more about Concord, Prof. > Berman is hosting this info chat that's open and free to the public: > > Please invite friends, family, colleagues, and others to experience > Concord!!! > > WHEN: Tuesday, December 9th, 5pm-6pm PT > > WHAT: Inside Tips to Success in Law School --an interactive session, > totally free of charge, that can be attended from anywhere in the world. > All that is needed is internet access, a name and email address. Register > now at www.experienceconcord.com > > > WHERE: Online in Concord's 21st century law classroom at > www.experienceconcord.com > > REGISTER: www.experienceconcord.comWHO: Open to the Public. Join Law > Professor and Author Sara J. Berman to learn more about the law school > experience and get your questions answered. > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 13:20:12 2008 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:20:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations Message-ID: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other jurisdictions feel free to chime in.   I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the beginning and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is being sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my head.   As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients or in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as a basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under the ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions don't as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the ACB can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting this as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We are handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants?   Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to you and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say, "Congratulations! You've been served!""   Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper service; we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on.   Mike   From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 13:43:15 2008 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:43:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] medmical practice suts against interns Message-ID: <610040.50009.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This question is mainly for those of you who practice in Illinois; but, everyone else feel free to chime in.   On last night's ER, Dr. Raskotra was sued for medical malpractice. The real person who botched the surgery was her intern. Granted, she was probably being sued because she's a surgeon and has deep pockets (so to speak) and was responsible for teaching her intern how to perform the surgery; so, she's somehow liable. Even so, it was the intern who performed the actual surgery. How come he's just not sued outright or joined as a party to the suit? Granted, interns aren't real doctors yet and probably aren't making as much as a full surgeon; but, in the end, is it all about which potential defendant has the most money in their pocket or is it under a respondeat superior theory under which they're suing Raskotra and not her intern? Of course, County General would probably be gone after, too, right?   Mike From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 13:59:03 2008 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:59:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] for Virginia attorneys Message-ID: <528351.20481.qm@web90302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everybody.   This question is for Virginia attorneys. (I'm especially interested in northern Virginia advice; but, I'll take advice from anyone.)   Do any of you work out of your home as a solo practitioner instead of renting office space or working for a firm?   I've been applying to the feds (and for those of you who have, you know that molasses if faster than they are in responding.) I'll be sitting for February's D.C. bar and hopefully pass so that I could pursue a career with a D.C. firm as an ethics associate (I'm unaware of any Virginia firms who hire ethics associates.) Anyway, I've also thought about doing solo work in the area of adoption law. For those of you who do work out of your home, how do you meet with clients? What type of equipment do you use? Do you have any sighted assistants working with you? Let's fac it: working out of your home is cheaper than renting office space. (But, is that something DBVI would do for someone hanging out their shingle? I know they'll pay for the first year of malpractice insurance because it's something that a lawyer ought to have.)   Any advice or personal experiences would be very much appreciated.   Thanks.   Mike From angie.matney at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 14:58:19 2008 From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:58:19 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bluebook online Message-ID: <2v30QKmrZppR.dY2gWP8G@smtp.gmail.com> I've used this, too. It's very accessible. angie -original message- Subject: [blindlaw] Bluebook online From: "Kim Borowicz" Date: 11/20/2008 6:43 PM The Bluebook is now available online. I just discovered this and thought that others might find it helpful as well. It is at www.legalbluebook.com Kim Borowicz Staff Attorney Access Living 115 W. Chicago Ave Chicago, IL 60654 (312) 640-2155 (312) 640-2169 TTY (312) 640-2139 Fax _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com From keith-vick at msn.com Fri Nov 21 15:08:33 2008 From: keith-vick at msn.com (Keith Vick) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:08:33 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bluebook online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kim, Thanks for the notice on the Bluebook. Just as additional information to those on the list, to use the online Bluebook, one signs up for a 1, 2, or 3 year membership. I signed up for a three year membership for 55 dollars. I believe that the subscription is renewed at 15 dollars for each year subsequent to the initial signup. This seems like a very good deal to me. The online Bluebook has a couple of nice features. One of the more interesting ones is the ability to take 'notes' in your copy of the online Bluebook. I attached a PDF of screenshots demonstrating the note taking features. For those relying on text reading software, please accept my apologies; I wasn't able to render the screenshots into readable text format. However, the webpage itself appears to render the notes in line with the text of the Bluebook and thus may be readable by a text reading software. Keith Vick -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kim Borowicz Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:53 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Bluebook online The Bluebook is now available online. I just discovered this and thought that others might find it helpful as well. It is at www.legalbluebook.com Kim Borowicz Staff Attorney Access Living 115 W. 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Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gilmore" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:43 AM Subject: [blindlaw] medmical practice suts against interns This question is mainly for those of you who practice in Illinois; but, everyone else feel free to chime in. On last night's ER, Dr. Raskotra was sued for medical malpractice. The real person who botched the surgery was her intern. Granted, she was probably being sued because she's a surgeon and has deep pockets (so to speak) and was responsible for teaching her intern how to perform the surgery; so, she's somehow liable. Even so, it was the intern who performed the actual surgery. How come he's just not sued outright or joined as a party to the suit? Granted, interns aren't real doctors yet and probably aren't making as much as a full surgeon; but, in the end, is it all about which potential defendant has the most money in their pocket or is it under a respondeat superior theory under which they're suing Raskotra and not her intern? Of course, County General would probably be gone after, too, right? Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 21 19:50:54 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:50:54 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations In-Reply-To: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is an interesting argument. Additionally with many small claims or landlord-tenant claims for unlawful detainer here in California these types of complaints in many cases are handwritten on forms that involve filling in blanks or checking boxes which would make them unreadable with devices such as the SARA or KNFB reader. I have had occasions when I have been served that process servers have taken it upon themselves to read the complaint after I acknowledged my identity to them. Charles L. Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gilmore" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:20 AM Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other jurisdictions feel free to chime in. I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the beginning and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is being sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my head. As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients or in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as a basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under the ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions don't as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the ACB can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting this as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We are handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants? Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to you and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say, "Congratulations! You've been served!"" Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper service; we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com Sat Nov 22 01:13:47 2008 From: RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com (Ray Wayne) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:13:47 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> I would never make this argument! It would suggest that we who are blind cannot handle printed material. I was served with process once. I asked the guy where it was from, and when he told me, I knew what it was about. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gilmore" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other jurisdictions feel free to chime in. I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the beginning and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is being sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my head. As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients or in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as a basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under the ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions don't as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the ACB can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting this as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We are handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants? Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to you and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say, "Congratulations! You've been served!"" Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper service; we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om From b75205 at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 06:35:01 2008 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:35:01 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations In-Reply-To: <002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Ok Charles, given that California is about to go digital in its documents, and accept digital signatures, what about a thumb drive, and by the way I could make that form! James Pepper On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Ray Wayne wrote: > I would never make this argument! It would suggest that we who are blind > cannot handle printed material. > I was served with process once. I asked the guy where it was from, and > when > he told me, I knew what it was about. > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Gilmore" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:20 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations > > > This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other > jurisdictions > feel free to chime in. > > I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch > it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the beginning > and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is > being > sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my head. > > As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients > or > in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as a > basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format > (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under > the > ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis > upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions > don't > as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the > ACB > can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting > this > as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil > procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We are > handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our > briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted > assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what > about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants? > > Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to > you > and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would > realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say, > "Congratulations! You've been served!"" > > Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in > mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper > service; > we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and > state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on. > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 22 06:24:17 2008 From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:24:17 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: hi, are you saying you're only blind when it's convenient? of course we can't read/handle printed information if we are worse than about 20/400. Bryan Schulz The BEST Solution www.best-acts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Wayne" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations >I would never make this argument! It would suggest that we who are blind > cannot handle printed material. > I was served with process once. I asked the guy where it was from, and > when > he told me, I knew what it was about. > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Gilmore" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:20 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations > > > This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other jurisdictions > feel free to chime in. > > I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch > it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the > beginning > and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is > being > sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my > head. > > As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients > or > in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as > a > basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format > (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under > the > ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis > upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions > don't > as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the > ACB > can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting > this > as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil > procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We > are > handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our > briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted > assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what > about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants? > > Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to > you > and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would > realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say, > "Congratulations! You've been served!"" > > Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in > mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper > service; > we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and > state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on. > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 22 16:07:55 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:07:55 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] For Immigration Lawyers Message-ID: <8E533A84-3F26-484F-AC09-06E50BA5D638@sbcglobal.net> List Members: Are there any attorneys on the list practicing Immigration law who would be willing to answer (off list) a few questions about the practice? Thanks. James From timandvickie at hotmail.com Sat Nov 22 16:27:22 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:27:22 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations In-Reply-To: References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: The interesting thing to me is going to be when they start you iris scan identification for stuff like flying, like they said they were gonna do after 9/11. Seeing as me primary vision problem i was born with is that i dont have an iris, I am going to get to all kinds of fun everytime i want to do something.> From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:24:17 -0600> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations> > hi,> > are you saying you're only blind when it's convenient?> of course we can't read/handle printed information if we are worse than > about 20/400.> > Bryan Schulz> The BEST Solution> www.best-acts.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:13 PM> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations> > > >I would never make this argument! It would suggest that we who are blind> > cannot handle printed material.> > I was served with process once. I asked the guy where it was from, and > > when> > he told me, I knew what it was about.> > Ray> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Mike Gilmore" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:20 AM> > Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations> >> >> > This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other jurisdictions> > feel free to chime in.> >> > I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch> > it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the > > beginning> > and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is > > being> > sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my > > head.> >> > As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients > > or> > in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as > > a> > basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format> > (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under > > the> > ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis> > upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions > > don't> > as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the > > ACB> > can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting > > this> > as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil> > procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We > > are> > handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our> > briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted> > assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what> > about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants?> >> > Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to > > you> > and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would> > realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say,> > "Congratulations! You've been served!""> >> > Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in> > mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper > > service;> > we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and> > state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on.> >> > Mike> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c> > om> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the “I’m a PC” Messenger themepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ From AZNOR99 at aol.com Sun Nov 23 00:32:52 2008 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:32:52 EST Subject: [blindlaw] For Immigration Lawyers Message-ID: James, Send me an email off-list with your questions to _aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) or call me at 708-829-0523. I practiced immigration law with a law firm and then as a solo practitioner prior to going to work for the Department of Homeland Security. This is an open invitation to anyone else on this list who wants to talk about immigration law. Ronza In a message dated 11/22/2008 1:22:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net writes: List Members: Are there any attorneys on the list practicing Immigration law who would be willing to answer (off list) a few questions about the practice? Thanks. James _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 23 02:24:47 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:24:47 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations In-Reply-To: References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: The California courts have not gone paperless yet and as I stated scanners do not read handwritten documents so the question is receiving process service that is handwritten or partially handwritten. Filling out the forms is not a problem and some of the forms for such things as unlawful detainers can be completed on line. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations > Ok Charles, given that California is about to go digital in its documents, > and accept digital signatures, what about a thumb drive, and by the way I > could make that form! > > James Pepper > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Ray Wayne wrote: > >> I would never make this argument! It would suggest that we who are blind >> cannot handle printed material. >> I was served with process once. I asked the guy where it was from, and >> when >> he told me, I knew what it was about. >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Gilmore" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:20 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations >> >> >> This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other >> jurisdictions >> feel free to chime in. >> >> I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still >> watch >> it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the >> beginning >> and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is >> being >> sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my >> head. >> >> As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients >> or >> in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as >> a >> basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format >> (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under >> the >> ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a >> basis >> upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions >> don't >> as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the >> ACB >> can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting >> this >> as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil >> procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We >> are >> handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in >> our >> briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted >> assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what >> about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants? >> >> Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to >> you >> and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney >> would >> realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and >> say, >> "Congratulations! You've been served!"" >> >> Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in >> mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper >> service; >> we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and >> state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 16:27:33 2008 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:27:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals Message-ID: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just a quick question for the paralegals on the list.   Are any of you licensed lawyers but choose to do paralegal work? I've thought of doing this for awhile to make a living and then practice law. Also, what are the duties of a paralegal?   Thanks.   Mike From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Nov 24 17:10:15 2008 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:10:15 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice Message-ID: ________________________________ From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:21 AM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Subject: [Jobs] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice ________________________________ From: Hunter, Sue [mailto:Sue.Hunter at usdoj.gov] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 11:55 AM To: noryrp at cox.net; nromulus at gmail.com; ntb at boglechang.com; ocaaba at cox.net; omanager at lawyerscomm.org; palsd at hotmail.com; patel at fr.com; patsyy at bellnunnally.com; pchanster at yahoo.com; pchapman at koonz.com; pgrewal at daycasebeer.com; pkim at lordbissell.com; Maurer, Patricia; pmorrison at state.wv.us; poppy.johnston at unlv.edu; president at abaw.org; president at adc.org; president at apabala.org; president at blackwomenlawyersla.org; president at dominicanbarassociation.org; president at mabl.org Subject: FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice To learn more about our attorneys and what they like most about working at DOJ, please visit our attorney profiles at, http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/profiles.htm, and the video clips of our attorneys and interns available at https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/ads/jobsatdojoarm/index.jsp We encourage you to share this email with interested colleagues and peers. 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Such posting and/or dissemination is not an endorsement by the Department of the organization or group disseminating and/or posting the information. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 19:09:51 2008 From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:09:51 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals In-Reply-To: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c94e68$3a85c3a0$6901a8c0@RThomas> You might think about looking for temporary assignments for research or other assignments. For example, look at Kelly Law Registry. There are other companies that look for contract work for attorneys or paralegals. As far as the duties of a paralegal, let me quote a former colleague, who when asked by a new paralegal what her job duties would be stated: whatever I tell you to do." Respectfully, Russell J. Thomas, Jr. THOMAS & ASSOCIATES Orange County Office 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 Newport Beach, California 92660 T: (949) 752-0101 F: (949) 257-4756 M: (949) 466-7238 Beverly Hills Office 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 Beverly Hills, California 90210 T: (310) 461-3561 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gilmore Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:28 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals Just a quick question for the paralegals on the list.   Are any of you licensed lawyers but choose to do paralegal work? I've thought of doing this for awhile to make a living and then practice law. Also, what are the duties of a paralegal?   Thanks.   Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com From Bennett.Prows at HHS.GOV Mon Nov 24 21:57:32 2008 From: Bennett.Prows at HHS.GOV (Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:57:32 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Civil Rights Division Attorney Vacancy In the Department of Health and Human Services Office of the General Council Message-ID: <9CDA99CD650C5544ACEADDB63CCD70D161584A@AVN3VS032.ees.hhs.gov> Subject: The Office of the General Counsel is seeking an attorney to join our Civil Rights Division. The Civil Rights Division advises the Department's Office for Civil Rights on the implementation of laws protecting against discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, disability, age and sex; and laws protecting the confidentiality of health information. A major focus of the position we are seeking to fill will be in the area of protecting the privacy of health information. The work will involve legal matters in a variety of areas, including rulemaking, regulatory interpretation, legal aspects of policy development, investigations, administrative enforcement and litigation support to the Department of Justice. We are seeking to fill the position at the GS-12 to GS-14 level ($69,764 - $127,442, depending on experience and qualifications). The position will be located in Washington, D.C., and reimbursement for relocation expenses is not available. Interested candidates should send resumes and 1-2 legal writing samples to Bonita Huff, Department of Health and Human Services, Office of the General Counsel, Civil Rights Division, Room 5362 Cohen Building, 330 Independence Ave., S.W., Washington, D.C. 20201, or by e-mail to Bonita.Huff at hhs.gov. To ensure consideration, applications must be received by COB December 31, 2008. The Department of Health and Human Services is an equal opportunity employer. From pebreeze at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 22:38:53 2008 From: pebreeze at gmail.com (Philip Breeze) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:38:53 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed Message-ID: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied for admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from admission for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters from doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This has been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education has ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the school has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the reasons for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point us in the right direction, thank you. From rumpole at roadrunner.com Tue Nov 25 00:35:33 2008 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:35:33 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> What state are you in? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied > for > admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from > admission > for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools > findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my > child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric > evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters from > doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This has > been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education > has > ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the > school > has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the > reasons > for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an > attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point us > in > the right direction, thank you. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 25 02:03:48 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:03:48 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals In-Reply-To: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92CB1416FFE14F17A499FB4432F5BC92@spike> I am a certificated paralegal that is thinking about proceeding with a law degree on line. As a paralegal in a traditional setting I work under the direction of an attorney and duties could include performing research drafting documents etc. As a paralegal I can in some instances represent people in administrative law hearings such as SSA hearings and other similar hearings. Additionally, in some states paralegals who meet criteria can perform work for the general public. Here in California these paralegals are registered with each county as Legal document assistants or unlawful detainer assistants. In this capacity I would be able to prepare and file documents for the public with the court but not provide any type of legal advice. Feel free to contact me off list with specific questions. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 5590-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gilmore" To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:27 AM Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals Just a quick question for the paralegals on the list. Are any of you licensed lawyers but choose to do paralegal work? I've thought of doing this for awhile to make a living and then practice law. Also, what are the duties of a paralegal? Thanks. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 25 02:29:23 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:29:23 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals In-Reply-To: <000301c94e68$3a85c3a0$6901a8c0@RThomas> References: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c94e68$3a85c3a0$6901a8c0@RThomas> Message-ID: That is a fairly accurate description of a paralegal's duties. What I tell people sometimes is that I do the work and give the attorney all the credit. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question for paralegals You might think about looking for temporary assignments for research or other assignments. For example, look at Kelly Law Registry. There are other companies that look for contract work for attorneys or paralegals. As far as the duties of a paralegal, let me quote a former colleague, who when asked by a new paralegal what her job duties would be stated: whatever I tell you to do." Respectfully, Russell J. Thomas, Jr. THOMAS & ASSOCIATES Orange County Office 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 Newport Beach, California 92660 T: (949) 752-0101 F: (949) 257-4756 M: (949) 466-7238 Beverly Hills Office 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 Beverly Hills, California 90210 T: (310) 461-3561 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gilmore Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:28 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals Just a quick question for the paralegals on the list. Are any of you licensed lawyers but choose to do paralegal work? I've thought of doing this for awhile to make a living and then practice law. Also, what are the duties of a paralegal? Thanks. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From mikefry79 at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 02:46:18 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:46:18 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed In-Reply-To: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811241846j32170779n96c548b8843630c9@mail.gmail.com> Needless to say it sounds like a winning case, you should get a court order requiring the school to admit your son and probably, I think, monetary damages. If I were you, I'd hire the most experienced and successfully attorney possible. I'd see if I could hire an attorney from a very big law firm like MOFO or Reed Smith, generally the very best and brightest attorney's work at big law firms. But I don't know if firms like that will work on this kind of case, however, they may point you in the right direction. There are public interest law firms that specialize in disability advocacy that are analogous to the huge law firms as far as their success rate is concerned. As stated in the previous email the jurisdiction of the case is important. If it's in California I know that Disability Rights Advocates is a top-notch law firm that cleans- up with huge cash verdicts. Disability Rights California is another organization that specializes in representing the disabled. It is advisable to contact these firms because even if they won't take your case it's likely they will point you in the direction of an attorney that will help you. Do a google search of "disability rights" or "disability advocacy" with your states name in it. That should link to a law firm that is analogous to DRA or DRC in your state. Good luck, I hope you stick it to those bastards. Mike On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Philip Breeze wrote: > My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied > for > admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from admission > for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools > findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my > child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric > evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters from > doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This has > been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education has > ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the school > has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the > reasons > for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an > attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point us > in > the right direction, thank you. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 25 06:08:27 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:08:27 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed In-Reply-To: <8c58e54a0811241846j32170779n96c548b8843630c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> <8c58e54a0811241846j32170779n96c548b8843630c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There are Protection and Advocacy agencies in all states. As this case involves a child this issue would most likely fall within the scope of their practice. Much of their work involves educational advocacy for children and adults with developmental disabilities which includes people who were blind or became blind as a child. In California they have recently expanded the scope of their services to be more inclusive and serve greater categories and now go by the name Disability Rights California. Charles L> Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Fry" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > Needless to say it sounds like a winning case, you should get a court > order > requiring the school to admit your son and probably, I think, monetary > damages. > > If I were you, I'd hire the most experienced and successfully attorney > possible. I'd see if I could hire an attorney from a very big law firm > like > MOFO or Reed Smith, generally the very best and brightest attorney's work > at big law firms. But I don't know if firms like that will work on this > kind of case, however, they may point you in the right direction. > > There are public interest law firms that specialize in disability advocacy > that are analogous to the huge law firms as far as their success rate is > concerned. As stated in the previous email the jurisdiction of the case > is > important. If it's in California I know that Disability Rights Advocates > is > a top-notch law firm that cleans- up with huge cash verdicts. Disability > Rights California is another organization that specializes in representing > the disabled. It is advisable to contact these firms because even if they > won't take your case it's likely they will point you in the direction of > an > attorney that will help you. > > Do a google search of "disability rights" or "disability advocacy" with > your > states name in it. That should link to a law firm that is analogous to > DRA > or DRC in your state. Good luck, I hope you stick it to those bastards. > > Mike > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Philip Breeze wrote: > >> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied >> for >> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >> admission >> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools >> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters from >> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This >> has >> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >> has >> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >> school >> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >> reasons >> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an >> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point us >> in >> the right direction, thank you. >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From pebreeze at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 14:39:09 2008 From: pebreeze at gmail.com (Philip Breeze) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:39:09 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed In-Reply-To: <247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> <247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> Message-ID: <88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr wrote: > What state are you in? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM > Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > > > My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied >> for >> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >> admission >> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools >> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters from >> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This has >> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >> has >> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >> school >> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >> reasons >> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an >> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point us >> in >> the right direction, thank you. >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze%40gmail.com > From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Nov 25 16:56:50 2008 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:56:50 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com><247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> <88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D63FE6C60904BA592EE65651EE73B74@labarre> Phillip: Please contact me off list at the information below. There is a group of attorneys working on these issues. Thanks, Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices P.C. 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 Denver, Colorado 80222 303 504-5979 (voice) 303 757-3640 (fax) slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) www.labarrelaw.com (website) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure > that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr > wrote: > >> What state are you in? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed >> >> >> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied >>> for >>> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >>> admission >>> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools >>> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >>> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >>> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters >>> from >>> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This >>> has >>> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >>> has >>> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >>> school >>> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >>> reasons >>> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an >>> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point >>> us >>> in >>> the right direction, thank you. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com > From mikefry79 at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 17:29:15 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:29:15 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed In-Reply-To: <88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> <247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> <88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811250929n567023ke8564f7c1accc824@mail.gmail.com> Chuck's post is right on point. Check-out: http://www.advocacycenter.org/ On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Philip Breeze wrote: > We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure > that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr > wrote: > > > What state are you in? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM > > Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > > > > > > My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied > >> for > >> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from > >> admission > >> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools > >> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my > >> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric > >> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters > from > >> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This > has > >> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education > >> has > >> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the > >> school > >> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the > >> reasons > >> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an > >> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point > us > >> in > >> the right direction, thank you. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blindlaw mailing list > >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw: > >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From rumpole at roadrunner.com Wed Nov 26 00:16:22 2008 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:16:22 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com><247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> <88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1A324451FE7D49CA96FAD6D05CE7F58B@Rosslaptop> Phillip, call the protection and advocacy in Florida - they may be listed as the Disability Rights Center - and they should have a statewide toll free number for you to call. IF they cannot help you, they should have some resources for you to follow up on to try and find help. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure > that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr > wrote: > >> What state are you in? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed >> >> >> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied >>> for >>> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >>> admission >>> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools >>> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >>> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >>> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters >>> from >>> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This >>> has >>> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >>> has >>> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >>> school >>> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >>> reasons >>> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an >>> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point >>> us >>> in >>> the right direction, thank you. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com From rjs59 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 26 02:20:39 2008 From: rjs59 at hotmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:20:39 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com><247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop><88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> <1A324451FE7D49CA96FAD6D05CE7F58B@Rosslaptop> Message-ID: Another Person he can try is: Law Offices of Matthew W. Dietz Pl. 2990 S.W. 35th Ave. Miami, FL 33133-3410 (305)669-2822 Fax: (305)442-4181 Email: matthewdietz at usdisabilitylaw.comHe is really helpfull, and if he isn't able to help you, he'll point you to some one who can. He even checks his email's in the evening. I know this from experience. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Doerr" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > Phillip, call the protection and advocacy in Florida - they may be listed > as the Disability Rights Center - and they should have a statewide toll > free number for you to call. > IF they cannot help you, they should have some resources for you to follow > up on to try and find help. > Good luck. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Breeze" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > > >> We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure >> that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. >> >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr >> wrote: >> >>> What state are you in? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed >>> >>> >>> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently >>> applied >>>> for >>>> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >>>> admission >>>> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the >>>> schools >>>> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >>>> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >>>> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters >>>> from >>>> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This >>>> has >>>> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >>>> has >>>> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >>>> school >>>> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >>>> reasons >>>> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need >>>> an >>>> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point >>>> us >>>> in >>>> the right direction, thank you. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjs59%40hotmail.com > From AZNOR99 at aol.com Wed Nov 26 04:59:05 2008 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:59:05 EST Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed Message-ID: Phillip, I am one of the attorneys working on these issues, and Florida is one of the states in which I'm talking with parents. Please call me at 410-649-1344 and leave me a message as to when would be a good time - evening or weekend - for you and I to talk more about what's been happening. Regards, Ronza Othman In a message dated 11/25/2008 2:36:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, slabarre at labarrelaw.com writes: Phillip: Please contact me off list at the information below. There is a group of attorneys working on these issues. Thanks, Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices P.C. 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 Denver, Colorado 80222 303 504-5979 (voice) 303 757-3640 (fax) slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) www.labarrelaw.com (website) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure > that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr > wrote: > >> What state are you in? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed >> >> >> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied >>> for >>> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >>> admission >>> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools >>> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >>> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >>> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters >>> from >>> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This >>> has >>> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >>> has >>> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >>> school >>> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >>> reasons >>> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an >>> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point >>> us >>> in >>> the right direction, thank you. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze% 40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.or g/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com **************One site has it all. 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From timandvickie at hotmail.com Wed Nov 5 16:25:50 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:25:50 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few good words and some guidance here. This is something I have always wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but something I really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want to do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for children that may have to go through all that I did. I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management. Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help" them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix" things like this. I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and Business education but once again have been pumping my head for a year trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in and out of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going to law school. I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back to school because she is the one that will have to help me to get my tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me to go back to school because how do they not know that they will give me the money to and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do. OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for me. Tim Shaw _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ From r.g.munro at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 19:42:17 2008 From: r.g.munro at gmail.com (Robert Munro) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:42:17 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim, Check and see whether there is a process for appealing your counselor's decision about funding Law School. I had to go through some thing similar here in North Carolina. Good luck. Onward! Rob -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:26 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] New guy Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few good words and some guidance here. This is something I have always wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but something I really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want to do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for children that may have to go through all that I did. I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management. Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help" them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix" things like this. I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and Business education but once again have been pumping my head for a year trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in and out of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going to law school. I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back to school because she is the one that will have to help me to get my tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me to go back to school because how do they not know that they will give me the money to and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do. OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for me. Tim Shaw _________________________________________________________________ See how WindowsR connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/r.g.munro%40gmail. com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Nov 6 00:35:20 2008 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:35:20 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy Message-ID: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> Tim: Each state vocational rehabilitation agency is required to have in place an ability to grant exceptions or waivers to policies that arbitrarily limit the kinds of services that can be included in an individualized plan for employment, such as a rule that an agency will not pay for graduate school. However, it does not sound like that is the stumbling block you are facing, rather it sounds like your vocational rehabilitation counselor has rejected your employment goal, in which case it seems that you need to go through the appeal process, which the agency is also required to have in place and should be on its website or in its policies or rules. Noel nightingale Seattle, Washington -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:26 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] New guy Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few good words and some guidance here. This is something I have always wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but something I really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want to do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for children that may have to go through all that I did. I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management. Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help" them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix" things like this. I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and Business education but once again have been pumping my head for a year trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in and out of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going to law school. I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back to school because she is the one that will have to help me to get my tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me to go back to school because how do they not know that they will give me the money to and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do. OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for me. Tim Shaw _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows(r) connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightinga le%40ed.gov From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 6 01:47:36 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:47:36 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10807C96-5885-4BA5-B6A4-4A859BD7DD19@sbcglobal.net> Here are some things I ran into worth considering . . . perhaps: 1. If you think your marriage is under stress now, wait until mid second semester of law school. 2. When your done and have the degree and a license, you will be on your own b/c the chances of getting a job offer are astronomical. I had to just open my own office right after getting the license. FUNDING! 3. After years practicing I have routinely had thoughts I perhaps should had gone into teaching!! Really. My point is things don't always turn out the way we imagine. Law school is tough on a marriage. Whatever you decide I wish you the best. I hope you find what you want and don't lose what's really important in the process (family). James On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:25 AM, tim and vickie shaw wrote: > > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting > to start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at > the moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get > a few good words and some guidance here. This is something I have > always wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but > something I really didn't see myself ever actually doing. I want to > do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for > children that may have to go through all that I did. > > I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business > Management. Not having any work experience I have had a very tough > time finding a job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that > specialize in providing employment and training to disabled > individuals and "help" them. The frustrating experience working with > these people only served to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to > work to be able to "fix" things like this. > > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to > take on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special > Education and Business education but once again have been pumping my > head for a year trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on > working as a teacher whnile i went to law school. Due to my > inability to find work in and out of teaching I have decided to just > try and move forward to going to law school. > > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a > tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works > with the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called > my counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about > going back to school because she is the one that will have to help > me to get my tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even > talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable > for me to go back to school because how do they not know that they > will give me the money to and then when I get out still wont be able > to find work. > > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal > with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am > just getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going > to hell because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to > jsut be sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do. > > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut > needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words > for me. > > > Tim Shaw > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are > part of your life > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From mikefry79 at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 02:15:09 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:15:09 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> References: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811051815l2f013e8cle417df51b11abca8@mail.gmail.com> Stay tough Tim. Just keep fighting for what you want. It'll work out eventually. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Nightingale, Noel wrote: > Tim: > > Each state vocational rehabilitation agency is required to have in place > an ability to grant exceptions or waivers to policies that arbitrarily > limit the kinds of services that can be included in an individualized > plan for employment, such as a rule that an agency will not pay for > graduate school. > > However, it does not sound like that is the stumbling block you are > facing, rather it sounds like your vocational rehabilitation counselor > has rejected your employment goal, in which case it seems that you need > to go through the appeal process, which the agency is also required to > have in place and should be on its website or in its policies or rules. > > Noel nightingale > Seattle, Washington > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:26 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] New guy > > > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to > start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the > moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few > good words and some guidance here. This is something I have always > wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but something I > really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want to do this so I can > handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for children that may have to > go through all that I did. > > I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management. > Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a > job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in > providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help" > them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served > to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix" > things like this. > > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take > on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and > Business education but once again have been pumping my head for a year > trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher > whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in and out > of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going to law > school. > > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a > tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with > the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my > counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back > to school because she is the one that will have to help me to get my > tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about > it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me to go back to > school because how do they not know that they will give me the money to > and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. > > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal > with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just > getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell > because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be > sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do. > > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut > needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for > me. > > > Tim Shaw > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows(r) connects the people, information, and fun that are > part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightinga > le%40ed.gov > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From timandvickie at hotmail.com Thu Nov 6 02:43:49 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:43:49 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> References: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> Message-ID: I will try and dig aroudn their site for an appeal process, sadly as in most government sites their website is not a very good one. Problem is I dont know if an appeal is the right step yet since she has not even allowed me to talk to her really about it in the first place then can I say that she denied my request when she didnt really even let me make my request?> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:35:20 -0500> From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New guy> > Tim:> > Each state vocational rehabilitation agency is required to have in place> an ability to grant exceptions or waivers to policies that arbitrarily> limit the kinds of services that can be included in an individualized> plan for employment, such as a rule that an agency will not pay for> graduate school. > > However, it does not sound like that is the stumbling block you are> facing, rather it sounds like your vocational rehabilitation counselor> has rejected your employment goal, in which case it seems that you need> to go through the appeal process, which the agency is also required to> have in place and should be on its website or in its policies or rules.> > Noel nightingale> Seattle, Washington> > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]> On Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:26 AM> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Subject: [blindlaw] New guy> > > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to> start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the> moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few> good words and some guidance here. This is something I have always> wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but something I> really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want to do this so I can> handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for children that may have to> go through all that I did. > > I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management.> Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a> job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in> providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help"> them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served> to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix"> things like this. > > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take> on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and> Business education but once again have been pumping my head for a year> trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher> whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in and out> of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going to law> school.> > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a> tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with> the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my> counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back> to school because she is the one that will have to help me to get my> tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about> it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me to go back to> school because how do they not know that they will give me the money to> and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. > > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal> with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just> getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell> because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be> sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do.> > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut> needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for> me.> > > Tim Shaw> _________________________________________________________________> See how Windows(r) connects the people, information, and fun that are> part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightinga> le%40ed.gov> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 From timandvickie at hotmail.com Thu Nov 6 02:50:27 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:50:27 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: <10807C96-5885-4BA5-B6A4-4A859BD7DD19@sbcglobal.net> References: <10807C96-5885-4BA5-B6A4-4A859BD7DD19@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: our marriage can handle the stresses of school is the stresses of making no headway at all at the moment thats straining us. Opening my own practice is deifintly something I would consider, but as far as getting job right out of school a business law tacher I had in the past had told me that in texas your first year or so out of school texas requires you to work as a publican defendant anyways.> From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:47:36 -0800> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New guy> > Here are some things I ran into worth considering . . . perhaps:> > 1. If you think your marriage is under stress now, wait until mid > second semester of law school.> 2. When your done and have the degree and a license, you will be on > your own b/c the chances of getting a job offer are astronomical. I > had to just open my own office right after getting the license. > FUNDING!> 3. After years practicing I have routinely had thoughts I perhaps > should had gone into teaching!! Really.> > My point is things don't always turn out the way we imagine. Law > school is tough on a marriage. Whatever you decide I wish you the > best. I hope you find what you want and don't lose what's really > important in the process (family).> > James> On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:25 AM, tim and vickie shaw wrote:> > >> > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting > > to start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at > > the moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get > > a few good words and some guidance here. This is something I have > > always wanted to do I guess really in the back of my mind, but > > something I really didn't see myself ever actually doing. I want to > > do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for > > children that may have to go through all that I did.> >> > I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business > > Management. Not having any work experience I have had a very tough > > time finding a job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that > > specialize in providing employment and training to disabled > > individuals and "help" them. The frustrating experience working with > > these people only served to strengthen my resolve that I wanted to > > work to be able to "fix" things like this.> >> > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to > > take on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special > > Education and Business education but once again have been pumping my > > head for a year trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on > > working as a teacher whnile i went to law school. Due to my > > inability to find work in and out of teaching I have decided to just > > try and move forward to going to law school.> >> > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a > > tuition and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works > > with the blind provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called > > my counselor at the Division for Blind Services to ask her about > > going back to school because she is the one that will have to help > > me to get my tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even > > talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable > > for me to go back to school because how do they not know that they > > will give me the money to and then when I get out still wont be able > > to find work.> >> > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal > > with the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am > > just getting extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going > > to hell because of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to > > jsut be sitting in a rut. I am lost for what to do.> >> > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut > > needed to get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words > > for me.> >> >> > Tim Shaw> > _________________________________________________________________> > See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are > > part of your life> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 6 17:35:38 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:35:38 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <749895B4A6554EE38558E0CB8F86A7F7@spike> There is always an appeal process in dealing with a decision of a VR counselor in any state. There have been similar situations here in California when disabled people have wanted to attend law school. In some states the Department of Rehab is reluctant to fund many programs of advanced study. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Munro" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New guy > Tim, > > Check and see whether there is a process for appealing your counselor's > decision about funding Law School. I had to go through some thing similar > here in North Carolina. Good luck. > > Onward! > > Rob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:26 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] New guy > > > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new to the group. I am wanting to > start law school in the fall. Just keep running into obstacles at the > moment > *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. Hoping maybe can get a few good words > and some guidance here. This is something I have always wanted to do I > guess > really in the back of my mind, but something I really didnt see myself > ever > actually doing. I want to do this so I can handle ADA cases and works as > an > advocate for children that may have to go through all that I did. > > I graduated from college in 2005 with a degree in Business Management. > Not > having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a job. I > worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in providing > employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help" them. The > frustrating experience working with these people only served to strengthen > my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix" things like this. > > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and decided to take > on > teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special Education and Business > education but once again have been pumping my head for a year trying to > get > work to no avail. I had planned on working as a teacher whnile i went to > law > school. Due to my inability to find work in and out of teaching I have > decided to just try and move forward to going to law school. > > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind individuals recieve a > tuition > and fee waiver as well as the government agency that works with the blind > provides textbook vouchers and assistance. I called my counselor at the > Division for Blind Services to ask her about going back to school because > she is the one that will have to help me to get my tuition waiver adn all > of > this, but she wouldnt even talk to me about it. She said that she doesnt > think its reasonable for me to go back to school because how do they not > know that they will give me the money to and then when I get out still > wont > be able to find work. > > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal with > the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just getting > extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell because of > my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be sitting in a > rut. > I am lost for what to do. > > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering yall with all of this jsut needed > to > get it off my chest and see if anyone had any good words for me. > > > Tim Shaw > _________________________________________________________________ > See how WindowsR connects the people, information, and fun that are part > of > your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/r.g.munro%40gmail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 6 17:57:20 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:57:20 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] New guy In-Reply-To: References: <4313AD4429551F4595A8A414A660C75F1648F757@wdcrobe2m05.ed.gov> Message-ID: <0B0B80B39A7047AF814B4BD2BC556B18@spike> In most states the appeal process would first involve talking to her supervisor and if that goes no where asking for a hearing. In many states centers for independent living will provide advocacy services in rehab hearings and appeals. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim and vickie shaw" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New guy > > I will try and dig aroudn their site for an appeal process, sadly as in > most government sites their website is not a very good one. Problem is I > dont know if an appeal is the right step yet since she has not even > allowed me to talk to her really about it in the first place then can I > say that she denied my request when she didnt really even let me make my > request?> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:35:20 -0500> From: > Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] > New guy> > Tim:> > Each state vocational rehabilitation agency is required > to have in place> an ability to grant exceptions or waivers to policies > that arbitrarily> limit the kinds of services that can be included in an > individualized> plan for employment, such as a rule that an agency will > not pay for> graduate school. > > However, it does not sound like that is > the stumbling block you are> facing, rather it sounds like your vocational > rehabilitation counselor> has rejected your employment goal, in which case > it seems that you need> to go through the appeal process, which the agency > is also required to> have in place and should be on its website or in its > policies or rules.> > Noel nightingale> Seattle, Washington> > > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]> On Behalf Of tim and vickie shaw> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:26 AM> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > Subject: [blindlaw] New guy> > > Hello everyone, My name is Tim. I am new > to the group. I am wanting to> start law school in the fall. Just keep > running into obstacles at the> moment *sighs* hard not to get discouraged. > Hoping maybe can get a few> good words and some guidance here. This is > something I have always> wanted to do I guess really in the back of my > mind, but something I> really didnt see myself ever actually doing. I want > to do this so I can> handle ADA cases and works as an advocate for > children that may have to> go through all that I did. > > I graduated from > college in 2005 with a degree in Business M! > anagemen > t.> Not having any work experience I have had a very tough time finding a> > job. I worked for awhile for couple of companies that specialize in> > providing employment and training to disabiled individuals and "help"> > them. The frustrating experience working with these people only served> to > strengthen my resolve that I wanted to work to be able to "fix"> things > like this. > > I was desperate to get out of the situation I was in and > decided to take> on teaching. I have gotten my certification in Special > Education and> Business education but once again have been pumping my head > for a year> trying to get work to no avail. I had planned on working as a > teacher> whnile i went to law school. Due to my inability to find work in > and out> of teaching I have decided to just try and move forward to going > to law> school.> > I live in Texas and here it is law that blind > individuals recieve a> tuition and fee waiver as well as the government > agency that works with> the blind provides textbook vouchers and > assistance. I called my> counselor at the Division for Blind Services to > ask her about going back> to school because she is the one that will have > to help me to get my> tuition waiver adn all of this, but she wouldnt even > talk to me about> it. She said that she doesnt think its reasonable for me > to go back to> school because how do they not know that they will give me > the money to> and then when I get out still wont be able to find work. > > > So once again, I have hit my head against a wall when trying to deal> with > the very people that are supposed to be there to help. I am just> getting > extremely frustrated and mean time my marriage is going to hell> because > of my lack of being able to find word and seeming to jsut be> sitting in a > rut. I am lost for what to do.> > OK enough rambling, sorry for bothering > yall with all of this jsut> needed to get it off my chest and see if > anyone had any good words for> me.> > > Tim Shaw> > _________________________________________________________________> See how > Windows(r) connects the! > people, > information, and fun that are> part of your life > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/> > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightinga> > le%40ed.gov> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Nov 6 19:36:08 2008 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:36:08 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice Message-ID: ________________________________ From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:12 AM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Subject: [Jobs] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice ________________________________ From: Hunter, Sue [mailto:Sue.Hunter at usdoj.gov] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:50 AM To: mail at dallashispanicbar.com; mail at equaljusticeworks.org; mail at naicja.org; main at aabany.org; MamieLDavis at msn.com; Maricela.Siew at bakernet.com; mcalvet at morganlewis.com; mcle at vsb.org; mdalal at mhmlaw.com; mdsaa at bellatlantic.net; meiklejohns at sullcrom.com; melissa-tatum at utulsa.edu; mike at imba.com; Mikediv201 at aol.com; minorities at abanet.org; mjain at gdblegal.com; mlorenzo at graycary.com; nawl at nawl.org; ncai at ncai.org; nedy at wyjlaw.com; newmedia at ja.org; Neysas at dnfsb.gov; Maurer, Patricia; nijc at aol.com Subject: FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice To learn more about our attorneys and what they like most about working at DOJ, please visit our attorney profiles at, http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/profiles.htm, and the video clips of our attorneys and interns available at https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/ads/jobsatdojoarm/index.jsp We encourage you to share this email with interested colleagues and peers. 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Such posting and/or dissemination is not an endorsement by the Department of the organization or group disseminating and/or posting the information. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From dandrews at visi.com Fri Nov 7 10:31:55 2008 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:31:55 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school Message-ID: >Anybody want to transfer? Dave >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >Irvine law school students] > > >- >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school >students >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >From: Anne Ward > > > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >By Debra Cassens Weiss >Students >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >next fall will get their legal education for free. >The law school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 >to its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >reports. >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >raised about a third of the money. >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> From joramsey at cox.net Fri Nov 7 11:44:12 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 06:44:12 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs Message-ID: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan forgiveness programs? Cordially, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 From clucas at disabilitypride.com Fri Nov 7 16:22:36 2008 From: clucas at disabilitypride.com (Carrie Ann Lucas) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:22:36 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs In-Reply-To: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> References: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> Message-ID: The Florida Bar Foundation has one of the best LRAP programs in the country. I know legal aid attorneys receive help, I don't know if other public interest attorneys can access it. Fellowship programs like Equal Justice Works and Skadden have LRAP programs for fellows. Some law schools have their own LRAP programs for graduates doing public interest work. Unless you are doing public interest work, I don't know of any LRAP programs for folks. There is a new federal loan forgiveness program, but I don't know its applicability to people with older loans. Carrie Ann Lucas Director Center for Rights of Parents with Disabilities Colorado Cross-Disability Coalition 655 Broadway, Suite 775 Denver, CO 80203 303.839.1775 (main and messages) 303.839.0015 (direct and TTY) 303.839.1782 (facsimile) 800.817.1435 (main and messages) 877.267.1621 (direct and TTY) www.ccdconline.org -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:44 AM To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan forgiveness programs? Cordially, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit ypride.com From timandvickie at hotmail.com Fri Nov 7 18:11:43 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs In-Reply-To: References: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> Message-ID: these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it does look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law or for a nonprofit http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ From RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com Sat Nov 8 02:58:58 2008 From: RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com (Ray Wayne) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school References: Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >Anybody want to transfer? > > > Dave > > > > > >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC > >Irvine law school students] > > > > > >- > >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school > >students > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 > >From: Anne Ward > > > > > > > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class > >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST > >By Debra Cassens Weiss > >Students > >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine > >next fall will get their legal education for free. > >The law school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 > >to its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal > >reports. > >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs > >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract > >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to > >cost the school about $6 million, he said. > >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far > >raised about a third of the money. > >The story also reports that the law school had originally called > >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, > >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University > >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. > > > > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om From roddj12 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 8 05:30:58 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school References: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Wayne" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >> >next fall will get their legal education for free. >> >The law school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 >> >to its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >> >reports. >> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >> i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Nov 8 06:36:06 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school In-Reply-To: References: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the moment. From kdbenterprises at yahoo.com Sat Nov 8 20:50:05 2008 From: kdbenterprises at yahoo.com (kdb) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 References: Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm@web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold without adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing but the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. kdbenterprises ________________________________ From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 From: tim and vickie shaw Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it does look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law or for a nonprofit http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 From: "Ray Wayne" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >Anybody want to transfer? > > > Dave > > > > > >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC > >Irvine law school students] > > > > > >- > >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school > >students > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 > >From: Anne Ward > > > > > > > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class > >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST > >By Debra Cassens Weiss > >Students > >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine > >next fall will get their legal education for free. > >The law school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 > >to its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal > >reports. > >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs > >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract > >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to > >cost the school about $6 million, he said. > >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far > >raised about a third of the money. > >The story also reports that the law school had originally called > >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, > >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University > >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. > > > > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 From: "Rod Alcidonis" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Wayne" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >> >next fall will get their legal education for free. >> >The law school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 >> >to its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >> >reports. >> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >> i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: Leslie Fairall Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the moment. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 *************************************** From relton30857 at cox.net Sun Nov 9 23:43:51 2008 From: relton30857 at cox.net (Garry and Joy Relton) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:43:51 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the format of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. Could some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there today? I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would appreciate any input you can give me. Sincerely, Joy Relon -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) From: kdb Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold without adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing but the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. kdbenterprises ________________________________ From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 From: tim and vickie shaw Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it does look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law or for a nonprofit http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit > ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot mail.com _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 From: "Ray Wayne" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >Anybody want to transfer? > > > Dave > > > > > >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC > >Irvine law school students] > > > > > >- > >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school > >students > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 > >From: Anne Ward > > > > > > > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class > >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST > >By Debra Cassens Weiss > >Students > >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine > >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is > >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first > >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. > >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs > >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract > >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to > >cost the school about $6 million, he said. > >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far > >raised about a third of the money. > >The story also reports that the law school had originally called > >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, > >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University > >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. > >c:ma i > > > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 From: "Rod Alcidonis" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Wayne" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >>>sc:ma > i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny > c.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. com > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: Leslie Fairall Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the moment. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 *************************************** ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 *************************************** From joramsey at cox.net Mon Nov 10 00:35:19 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:35:19 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> Message-ID: I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses were on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic format. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the format of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. Could some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there today? I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would appreciate any input you can give me. Sincerely, Joy Relon -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) From: kdb Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold without adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing but the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. kdbenterprises ________________________________ From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 From: tim and vickie shaw Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it does look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law or for a nonprofit http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit > ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot mail.com _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 From: "Ray Wayne" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >Anybody want to transfer? > > > Dave > > > > > >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC > >Irvine law school students] > > > > > >- > >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school > >students > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 > >From: Anne Ward > > > > > > > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class > >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST > >By Debra Cassens Weiss > >Students > >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine > >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is > >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first > >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. > >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs > >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract > >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to > >cost the school about $6 million, he said. > >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far > >raised about a third of the money. > >The story also reports that the law school had originally called > >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, > >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University > >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. > >c:ma i > > > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 From: "Rod Alcidonis" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Wayne" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >>>sc:ma > i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny > c.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. com > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: Leslie Fairall Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the moment. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 *************************************** ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 *************************************** _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 2:14 PM From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 10 00:56:32 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:56:32 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> References: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> Message-ID: I was two for two on exams using Aspen Publishing''s "Law in a Flash" series of programs. They work great with JAWS and if you put the time in they will get you through both the MBE and essays. Good luck. James On Nov 9, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Garry and Joy Relton wrote: > Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when > the format > of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about > taking the > bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review > packages. Could > some of you share your experiences with the various courses out > there today? > I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I > would > appreciate any input you can give me. > > Sincerely, > > Joy Relon -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw- > bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) > From: kdb > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory > practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell > phones and > other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be > made > speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable > throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold > without > adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When > approached > regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for > accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of > hearing but > the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored > regarding > total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. > > kdbenterprises > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) > 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) > 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) > 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 > From: tim and vickie shaw > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but > it does > look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service > law or > for a nonprofit > > http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php > http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml > http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: >> Friday, > November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> > Subject: > [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic > to free > tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> > Cordially,> > John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) > 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or > get your account info for blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot > mail.com > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are > part of > your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 > From: "Ray Wayne" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >>> Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >>> news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> Irvine law school students] >>> >>> >>> - >>> Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> school >>> students >>> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> From: Anne Ward >>> >>> >>> >>> Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> Students >>> who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>> Irvine >>> next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >>> giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >>> 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >>> Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >>> at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >>> high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected >>> to >>> cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>> The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has >>> so far >>> raised about a third of the money. >>> The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>> donor, >>> but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>> University >>> of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >> > 00000160/%21x-us >> c:ma > i >>> >>> lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 > From: "Rod Alcidonis" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take > the MPRE > this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>>> Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>> Irvine law school students] >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>> school >>>> students >>>> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>> From: Anne Ward >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>> Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>> By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>> Students >>>> who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>> Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>> school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>> its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>> reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>> affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>> attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>> expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>> The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has >>>> so far >>>> raised about a third of the money. >>>> The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>> itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>>> donor, >>>> but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>>> University >>>> of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>> >> 00000160/%21x-u >>> sc:ma >> i >>>> >>>> lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ >> rwayne1%40ny >> c.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail > . > com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) > From: Leslie Fairall > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law > school > is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, > you have > to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides > at the > moment. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > *************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From fairall at shellworld.net Mon Nov 10 01:09:49 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:09:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A follow-up to this question. Our law school has student representatives from Bar/bri that are trying to convince us to sign up now as first-year law students. Would this be beneficial, or is it just another way to get our hard-earned money? From b75205 at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 01:52:20 2008 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:52:20 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: References: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> Message-ID: John: You should be made aware that all standardized testing companies will tell the school what type of accessibility device you use when taking the test. This is how colleges can find out who is disabled and who is not when determining how many people it should accept to the university. It is against the law for them to ask you if you are disabled so they get the information from the testing facility and make that law completely useless. So you are in a difficult position, trying to find an accessible law program and still have to deal with the prospects that a college will only accept the candidates that meet their quote for the blind's percentage of the population. So for schools that are particuarly friendly to the blind, they have more competition. I think that we should get rid of this loophole so that colleges accept people without knowing if they are blind or not so that admissions will not be based on population size but on merit. James Pepper From joramsey at cox.net Mon Nov 10 02:13:00 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:13:00 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <11015A1A2B694FDA88B329A198A2E0CF@noneeb869fea9a> I would say that depends on your study methods but there are some advantages, such as, you do get some materials in advance if you are a BAR/BRI member and you also get to lock your price in at that time. However, I don not have anything to verify if the price really goes up all that much State to State because I waited until I was going to take the bar to buy the course. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:10 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials A follow-up to this question. Our law school has student representatives from Bar/bri that are trying to convince us to sign up now as first-year law students. Would this be beneficial, or is it just another way to get our hard-earned money? _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 2:14 PM From roddj12 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 02:53:54 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:53:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: Message-ID: John, did you take the courses in the classroom? I am debating which is better. If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need to go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in my own quiet time, at my chosen location. Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? I will be making a choice soon! Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses were > on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic > format. > Take care, > John > > John Ramsey Esq. > > Gainesville, FL 32609 > > Phone: (352) 505-6642 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > > Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the > format > of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the > bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. > Could > some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there > today? > I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would > appreciate any input you can give me. > > Sincerely, > > Joy Relon -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) > From: kdb > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory > practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and > other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made > speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable > throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold > without > adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached > regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for > accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing > but > the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding > total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. > > kdbenterprises > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) > 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) > 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) > 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 > From: tim and vickie shaw > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it > does > look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law > or > for a nonprofit > > http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php > http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml > http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, > November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: > [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to > free > tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> > John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) > 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot > mail.com _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part > of > your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 > From: "Ray Wayne" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >>>c:ma > i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 > From: "Rod Alcidonis" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE > this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>> >far >>> >raised about a third of the money. >>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>sc:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >> c.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. > com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) > From: Leslie Fairall > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school > is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have > to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the > moment. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > *************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 > 2:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From AZNOR99 at aol.com Mon Nov 10 04:41:16 2008 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:41:16 EST Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials Message-ID: I took the Bar Exam two years ago. I registered for and took BarBri, which worked out very well. They provided me with all the course materials in electronic format, though it was WordPerfect. Such files can be easily converted to Word format though, so don't let that be a deterrent. I physically attended all of the classes, and I highly recommend you do the same. The instructors give all kinds of useful tips that don't appear in the written materials. I actually could hear the ConLaw and CivPro professors in my head during the exam, and I know I did better because of it. They also have an Ipod upgrade option, so you pay a little more and receive an Ipod with the lectures already programmed onto it. I also opted for this, and it helped when I had to miss a physical lecture or needed to go over some material more thoroughly. But this is not an Ipod you can sync with your computer or ITunes, as it will wipe itself if you do. If you can figure out a way to access it, it's great. If not, it'd be a waste of money. For me, I put it under a CCTV and selected the lectures I needed for that day. Or, you can just start it playing and move forward until you find the lecture you want by listening for it. I registered for PMBR, but I didn't go to the lectures because of a family emergency. But I did use the materials they sent, which took the format of electronic documents sent to me on a CD. This was most useful for the practice exams and question bank. If you want to study for the MBE only, PMBR might be a better bet, as it is much cheaper than BarBri. If you're taking an entire exam, I highly recommend BarBri. Feel free to email me off-list if you would like to chat with someone who's done it before. _aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) . Good luck. Ronza In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, roddj12 at hotmail.com writes: John, did you take the courses in the classroom? I am debating which is better. If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need to go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in my own quiet time, at my chosen location. Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? I will be making a choice soon! Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses were > on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic > format. > Take care, > John > > John Ramsey Esq. > > Gainesville, FL 32609 > > Phone: (352) 505-6642 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > > Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the > format > of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the > bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. > Could > some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there > today? > I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would > appreciate any input you can give me. > > Sincerely, > > Joy Relon -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) > From: kdb > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory > practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and > other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made > speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable > throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold > without > adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached > regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for > accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing > but > the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding > total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. > > kdbenterprises > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) > 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) > 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) > 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 > From: tim and vickie shaw > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it > does > look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law > or > for a nonprofit > > http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php > http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml > http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, > November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: > [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to > free > tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> > John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) > 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot > mail.com _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part > of > your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 > From: "Ray Wayne" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >> >raised about a third of the money. >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >> >>>c:ma > i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 > From: "Rod Alcidonis" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE > this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>> >far >>> >raised about a third of the money. >>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>sc:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >> c.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. > com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) > From: Leslie Fairall > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school > is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have > to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the > moment. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > *************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 > 2:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) From roddj12 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 09:37:07 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:37:07 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: Message-ID: Thanks, Ronza. I will seek further advice from you soon. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >I took the Bar Exam two years ago. I registered for and took BarBri, >which > worked out very well. They provided me with all the course materials in > electronic format, though it was WordPerfect. Such files can be easily > converted > to Word format though, so don't let that be a deterrent. I physically > attended all of the classes, and I highly recommend you do the same. The > instructors give all kinds of useful tips that don't appear in the > written > materials. I actually could hear the ConLaw and CivPro professors in my > head during > the exam, and I know I did better because of it. They also have an Ipod > upgrade option, so you pay a little more and receive an Ipod with the > lectures > already programmed onto it. I also opted for this, and it helped when I > had to > miss a physical lecture or needed to go over some material more > thoroughly. > But this is not an Ipod you can sync with your computer or ITunes, as it > will > wipe itself if you do. If you can figure out a way to access it, it's > great. If not, it'd be a waste of money. For me, I put it under a CCTV > and > selected the lectures I needed for that day. Or, you can just start it > playing > and move forward until you find the lecture you want by listening for it. > > I registered for PMBR, but I didn't go to the lectures because of a family > emergency. But I did use the materials they sent, which took the format > of > electronic documents sent to me on a CD. This was most useful for the > practice > exams and question bank. If you want to study for the MBE only, PMBR > might > be a better bet, as it is much cheaper than BarBri. If you're taking an > entire exam, I highly recommend BarBri. > > Feel free to email me off-list if you would like to chat with someone > who's > done it before. _aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) . Good luck. > > Ronza > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > roddj12 at hotmail.com writes: > > John, did you take the courses in the classroom? > I am debating which is better. > If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need > to > go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in > my > own quiet time, at my chosen location. > Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? > I will be making a choice soon! > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > >>I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >>were >> on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic >> format. >> Take care, >> John >> >> John Ramsey Esq. >> >> Gainesville, FL 32609 >> >> Phone: (352) 505-6642 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >> >> >> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the >> format >> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking >> the >> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. >> Could >> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there >> today? >> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would >> appreciate any input you can give me. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Joy Relon -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On >> Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) >> From: kdb >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory >> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones >> and >> other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be >> made >> speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable >> throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold >> without >> adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached >> regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for >> accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing >> but >> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding >> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. >> >> kdbenterprises >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) >> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) >> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) >> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 >> From: tim and vickie shaw >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it >> does >> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law >> or >> for a nonprofit >> >> http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php >> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml >> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >>> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, >> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: >> [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to >> free >> tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> >> Cordially,> >> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) >> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >>> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >>> blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot >> mail.com >> _________________________________________________________________ >> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part >> of >> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >>> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >>> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >>> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >>> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >>> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >>> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >>> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>> far >>> >raised about a third of the money. >>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>c:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >>> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c >> om >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 >> From: "Rod Alcidonis" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the >> MPRE >> this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. >> >> Rod Alcidonis >> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >> Roger Williams University School of Law >> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >> Bristol, RI 02809 >> Cell: 718-704-4651 >> Home: 401-824-8685 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>> Ray >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Andrews" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >- >>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>> >school >>>> >students >>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>> >Students >>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>>> >far >>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>>> >University >>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>> >>>>>>>sc:ma >>> i >>>> > >>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >>> c.rr.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. >> com >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) >> From: Leslie Fairall >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law >> school >> is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you >> have >> to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at >> the >> moment. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> *************************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> *************************************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: >> 11/9/2008 >> 2:14 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com > > > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From joramsey at cox.net Mon Nov 10 09:48:56 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:48:56 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4C5B89B5AF1C47BC9BDF94B0E675973A@noneeb869fea9a> Rod, I took both at home and it was definitely better than the video review BAR/BRI gave us in the 3L year. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:54 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials John, did you take the courses in the classroom? I am debating which is better. If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need to go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in my own quiet time, at my chosen location. Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? I will be making a choice soon! Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >were on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in >electronic format. Take care, > John > > John Ramsey Esq. > > Gainesville, FL 32609 > > Phone: (352) 505-6642 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > > Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the > format > of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the > bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. > Could > some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there > today? > I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would > appreciate any input you can give me. > > Sincerely, > > Joy Relon -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) > From: kdb > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory > practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones > and other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can > be made speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made > useable throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to > be sold without adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac > users? When approached regarding this issue and reminded that the > owners did provide for accessibility via TTY I remind them that is > fine for the hard of hearing but > the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding > total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. > > kdbenterprises > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM > Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than > "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) > 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) > 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) > 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 > From: tim and vickie shaw > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it > does > look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law > or > for a nonprofit > > http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php > http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml > http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: >> Friday, > November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> > Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related > topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness > programs?> Cordially,> > John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) > 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> > 505-6642> > > blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40dis > abilit >> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw > mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie > %40hot > mail.com _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part > of > your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 > From: "Ray Wayne" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> >> >Anybody want to transfer? >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >> >Irvine law school students] >> > >> > >> >- >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >> >school >> >students >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >> >From: Anne Ward >> > >> > >> > >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >> >Students >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. The school is >> >seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far raised >> >about a third of the money. The story also reports that the law >> >school had originally called itself the Donald Bren School of Law in >> >honor of a $20 million donor, but the school is dropping the name. >> >It will be called the University of California, Irvine, a name that >> >is parallel to other UC schools. >> >>>s >>c:ma > i >> > >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny > c.rr.c > om > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 > From: "Rod Alcidonis" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the > MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > > >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. The school >>> >is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >>> >raised about a third of the money. >>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>u >>>sc:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40n >> y >> c.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40ho > tmail. > com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) > From: Leslie Fairall > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law > school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. > However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 > Federal job provides at the moment. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 > *************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 > *************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40c > ox.net > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 > 2:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 2:14 PM From roddj12 at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 11:06:48 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:06:48 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: <4C5B89B5AF1C47BC9BDF94B0E675973A@noneeb869fea9a> Message-ID: I was wondering, more so, whether listening to the video or the tapes at home was preferred over going to the class to watch the same. I will asked Barbri whether the tapes they would provide to blind students are the same as the videos shown in class. If they are, I will have some hard thinking to do as to whether I should have to attend the lectures in class. Thanks to you all. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:48 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > Rod, > I took both at home and it was definitely better than the video review > BAR/BRI gave us in the 3L year. > Take care, > John > > John Ramsey Esq. > > Gainesville, FL 32609 > > Phone: (352) 505-6642 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Rod Alcidonis > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:54 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > > John, did you take the courses in the classroom? > I am debating which is better. > If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need to > go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in > my > own quiet time, at my chosen location. > Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? > I will be making a choice soon! > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > >>I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >>were on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in >>electronic format. Take care, >> John >> >> John Ramsey Esq. >> >> Gainesville, FL 32609 >> >> Phone: (352) 505-6642 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >> >> >> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the >> format >> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the >> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. >> Could >> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there >> today? >> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would >> appreciate any input you can give me. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Joy Relon -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) >> From: kdb >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory >> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones >> and other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can >> be made speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made >> useable throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to >> be sold without adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac >> users? When approached regarding this issue and reminded that the >> owners did provide for accessibility via TTY I remind them that is >> fine for the hard of hearing but >> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding >> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. >> >> kdbenterprises >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) >> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) >> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) >> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 >> From: tim and vickie shaw >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it >> does >> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law >> or >> for a nonprofit >> >> http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php >> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml >> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >>> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: >>> Friday, >> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> >> Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related >> topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness >> programs?> Cordially,> >> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) >> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> >> 505-6642> > > blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> >> blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40dis >> abilit >>> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >>> blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie >> %40hot >> mail.com >> _________________________________________________________________ >> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part >> of >> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. The school is >>> >seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far raised >>> >about a third of the money. The story also reports that the law >>> >school had originally called itself the Donald Bren School of Law in >>> >honor of a $20 million donor, but the school is dropping the name. >>> >It will be called the University of California, Irvine, a name that >>> >is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>s >>>c:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >> c.rr.c >> om >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 >> From: "Rod Alcidonis" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the >> MPRE this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. >> >> Rod Alcidonis >> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >> Roger Williams University School of Law >> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >> Bristol, RI 02809 >> Cell: 718-704-4651 >> Home: 401-824-8685 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>> Ray >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Andrews" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >- >>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>> >school >>>> >students >>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>> >Students >>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. The school >>>> >is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far >>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>> >>>>>>>u >>>>sc:ma >>> i >>>> > >>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>> blindlaw: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40n >>> y >>> c.rr.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40ho >> tmail. >> com >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) >> From: Leslie Fairall >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law >> school is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. >> However, you have to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 >> Federal job provides at the moment. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> *************************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> *************************************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40c >> ox.net >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 >> 2:14 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. > com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 > 2:14 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From jackchenonline at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 11:10:50 2008 From: jackchenonline at hotmail.com (Jack Chen) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:10:50 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: Message-ID: Hello Leslie I'm not a Rep for Barbri, so I'm not biased. However, about 95 percent of the people I know took Barbri. Therefore, if there is a discount, I would jump on it. I would, even though it isn't usually a problem, confirm that they will give you the materials in home study format. jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Fairall" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >A follow-up to this question. Our law school has student representatives >from Bar/bri that are trying to convince us to sign up now as first-year >law students. Would this be beneficial, or is it just another way to get >our hard-earned money? > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jackchenonline%40hotmail.com > From jackchenonline at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 11:17:19 2008 From: jackchenonline at hotmail.com (Jack Chen) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:17:19 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: Message-ID: Rod I also took the Barbri courses at home. They provided me with all of the lectures on CD and the files electronically (Can't remember if they are Word Perfect or Word). The only thing that I remember having trouble with was the study schedule -- it was in PDF. However, I just had someone read it to me early on. As a second note, I also took PMBR for the Multistate, which was equally as accomodating. One other thing that I found helpful was to figure out how I was going to take the exam and simulate it. NCBE refused to give me the exam in computer format, despite my protests that I would not be practicing law with a reader, and that it wouldn't measure my abilities. They were only willing to give me the exam on casette, so I recorded my computer reading the entire practice exams at approximately the speed I thought I would listen to the exam. Then, on practice day, I took the exam just as I would on the real day with the casette. Hope this helps and good luck. jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Alcidonis" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > Thanks, Ronza. I will seek further advice from you soon. > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > >>I took the Bar Exam two years ago. I registered for and took BarBri, >>which >> worked out very well. They provided me with all the course materials in >> electronic format, though it was WordPerfect. Such files can be easily >> converted >> to Word format though, so don't let that be a deterrent. I physically >> attended all of the classes, and I highly recommend you do the same. >> The >> instructors give all kinds of useful tips that don't appear in the >> written >> materials. I actually could hear the ConLaw and CivPro professors in my >> head during >> the exam, and I know I did better because of it. They also have an Ipod >> upgrade option, so you pay a little more and receive an Ipod with the >> lectures >> already programmed onto it. I also opted for this, and it helped when I >> had to >> miss a physical lecture or needed to go over some material more >> thoroughly. >> But this is not an Ipod you can sync with your computer or ITunes, as it >> will >> wipe itself if you do. If you can figure out a way to access it, it's >> great. If not, it'd be a waste of money. For me, I put it under a CCTV >> and >> selected the lectures I needed for that day. Or, you can just start it >> playing >> and move forward until you find the lecture you want by listening for >> it. >> >> I registered for PMBR, but I didn't go to the lectures because of a >> family >> emergency. But I did use the materials they sent, which took the format >> of >> electronic documents sent to me on a CD. This was most useful for the >> practice >> exams and question bank. If you want to study for the MBE only, PMBR >> might >> be a better bet, as it is much cheaper than BarBri. If you're taking an >> entire exam, I highly recommend BarBri. >> >> Feel free to email me off-list if you would like to chat with someone >> who's >> done it before. _aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) . Good luck. >> >> Ronza >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> roddj12 at hotmail.com writes: >> >> John, did you take the courses in the classroom? >> I am debating which is better. >> If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need >> to >> go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in >> my >> own quiet time, at my chosen location. >> Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? >> I will be making a choice soon! >> >> Rod Alcidonis >> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >> Roger Williams University School of Law >> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >> Bristol, RI 02809 >> Cell: 718-704-4651 >> Home: 401-824-8685 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "john" >> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >> >> >>>I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >>>were >>> on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic >>> format. >>> Take care, >>> John >>> >>> John Ramsey Esq. >>> >>> Gainesville, FL 32609 >>> >>> Phone: (352) 505-6642 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >>> >>> >>> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the >>> format >>> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking >>> the >>> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. >>> Could >>> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there >>> today? >>> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I >>> would >>> appreciate any input you can give me. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Joy Relon -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >>> >>> >>> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than >>> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) >>> From: kdb >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory >>> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones >>> and >>> other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be >>> made >>> speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable >>> throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold >>> without >>> adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When >>> approached >>> regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for >>> accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of >>> hearing >>> but >>> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored >>> regarding >>> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. >>> >>> kdbenterprises >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM >>> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >>> >>> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than >>> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) >>> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) >>> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) >>> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 >>> From: tim and vickie shaw >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs >>> To: >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>> these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it >>> does >>> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service >>> law >>> or >>> for a nonprofit >>> >>> http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php >>> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml >>> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >>>> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: >>>> Friday, >>> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> >>> Subject: >>> [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to >>> free >>> tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> >>> Cordially,> >>> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) >>> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw >>> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >>> unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >>>> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >>>> blindlaw >>> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >>> unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot >>> mail.com >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are >>> part >>> of >>> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 >>> From: "Ray Wayne" >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>> Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>> Ray >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Andrews" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >- >>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>> >school >>>> >students >>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>> >Students >>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >>>> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >>>> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >>>> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >>>> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >>>> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >>>> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected >>>> to >>>> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>>> far >>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>>> donor, >>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>> >>>>>>>c:ma >>> i >>>> > >>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>>> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 >>> From: "Rod Alcidonis" >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the >>> MPRE >>> this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. >>> >>> Rod Alcidonis >>> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >>> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >>> Roger Williams University School of Law >>> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >>> Bristol, RI 02809 >>> Cell: 718-704-4651 >>> Home: 401-824-8685 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ray Wayne" >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> >>> >>>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "David Andrews" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >- >>>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>>> >school >>>>> >students >>>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>>> >Students >>>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>>>> >far >>>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>>>> >donor, >>>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>>>> >University >>>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>sc:ma >>>> i >>>>> > >>>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >>>> c.rr.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. >>> com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) >>> From: Leslie Fairall >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >>> >>> As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law >>> school >>> is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you >>> have >>> to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at >>> the >>> moment. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >>> *************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >>> *************************************** >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: >>> 11/9/2008 >>> 2:14 PM >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com >> >> >> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all >> other >> Holiday needs. Search Now. >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from >> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jackchenonline%40hotmail.com > From joramsey at cox.net Mon Nov 10 11:31:46 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:31:46 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] BAR/BRI Accommodations Message-ID: <40E519F5C83B4C7D8933B68056882EC9@noneeb869fea9a> Hello All, I received the BAR/BRI course on CD because the IPOD was inaccessible, so that was a great option for me. I think they might be getting away from the CD package as much as they can due to costs and of course for the fear that the lectures might be copied. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 From garysherwig at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 12:57:54 2008 From: garysherwig at hotmail.com (Gary Herwig) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:57:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> References: <960B71CD34394BA896D0C699127AA2D5@JoyRelton> Message-ID: I found PMBR to be quite helpful. I purchased the CDs used from someone on eBay.> From: relton30857 at cox.net> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:43:51 -0500> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials> > Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the format> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. Could> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there today?> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would> appreciate any input you can give me.> > Sincerely,> > Joy Relon -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7> > > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST)> From: kdb > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and> other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made> speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable> throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold without> adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached> regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for> accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing but> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue.> > kdbenterprises> > > > > ________________________________> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6> > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw)> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne)> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis)> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000> From: tim and vickie shaw > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it does> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law or> for a nonprofit> > http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html> > -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org > > [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday,> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject:> [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to free> tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,>> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352)> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,> change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit> > ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,> change your list options or> get your account info for blindlaw:>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot> mail.com> _________________________________________________________________> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500> From: "Ray Wayne" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile!> Ray> > ----- Original Message -----> From: "David Andrews" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> > > >> > >Anybody want to transfer?> >> >> > Dave> >> >> >> >> > >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC> > >Irvine law school students]> > >> > >> > >-> > >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law school> > >students> > >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800> > >From: Anne Ward > > >> > >> > >> > >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class> > >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST> > >By Debra Cassens Weiss> > >Students> > >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine > > >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is > > >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first > > >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports.> > >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs> > >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract> > >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to> > >cost the school about $6 million, he said.> > >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far> > >raised about a third of the money.> > >The story also reports that the law school had originally called> > >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor,> > >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University> > >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools.> >> > >c:ma> i> > >> > >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com>> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c> om> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500> From: "Rod Alcidonis" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the MPRE > this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year.> > Rod Alcidonis> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009.> Roger Williams University School of Law> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003> Bristol, RI 02809> Cell: 718-704-4651> Home: 401-824-8685> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> > > > Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile!> > Ray> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "David Andrews" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM> > Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> >> >> >>> >> >Anybody want to transfer?> >>> >>> >> Dave> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC> >> >Irvine law school students]> >> >> >> >> >> >-> >> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law > >> >school> >> >students> >> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800> >> >From: Anne Ward > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class> >> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST> >> >By Debra Cassens Weiss> >> >Students> >> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in > >> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law > >> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to > >> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal > >> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external > >> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to > >> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is > >> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said.> >> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so far> >> >raised about a third of the money.> >> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called> >> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor,> >> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University> >> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools.> >>> >> >>sc:ma> > i> >> >> >> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw mailing list> >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > blindlaw:> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny> > c.rr.c> > om> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.> com> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST)> From: Leslie Fairall > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed> > As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law school > is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you have > to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at the > moment.> > > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6> ***************************************> > > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7> ***************************************> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garysherwig%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 From AZNOR99 at aol.com Mon Nov 10 13:23:15 2008 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:23:15 EST Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials Message-ID: I did the early sign-up for BarBri and saved more than $800. If you sign up during your first year, you lock in that rate for yourself. No matter how much the course goes up, you pay what it cost during the year you signed up. You also get the MPRE study session and materials included for free. You will also get the 1L and Advanced Law Course Guides, which have really good outlines and study materials for courses covered on the Bar Exam. I even sometimes refer to the 1L, Advanced Law School Study Materials, and Bar Exam materials in my practice when I need a quick refresher. So, Leslie, my advice is to do the early registration if 1) you're sure you want to take BarBri for the bar exam, and 2) you have the money to spare now. Ronza In a message dated 11/10/2008 7:13:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jackchenonline at hotmail.com writes: Hello Leslie I'm not a Rep for Barbri, so I'm not biased. However, about 95 percent of the people I know took Barbri. Therefore, if there is a discount, I would jump on it. I would, even though it isn't usually a problem, confirm that they will give you the materials in home study format. jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Fairall" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >A follow-up to this question. Our law school has student representatives >from Bar/bri that are trying to convince us to sign up now as first-year >law students. 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Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Chen" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > Rod > > I also took the Barbri courses at home. They provided me with all of the > lectures on CD and the files electronically (Can't remember if they are > Word Perfect or Word). The only thing that I remember having trouble with > was the study schedule -- it was in PDF. However, I just had someone read > it to me early on. > > As a second note, I also took PMBR for the Multistate, which was equally > as accomodating. > > One other thing that I found helpful was to figure out how I was going to > take the exam and simulate it. NCBE refused to give me the exam in > computer format, despite my protests that I would not be practicing law > with a reader, and that it wouldn't measure my abilities. They were only > willing to give me the exam on casette, so I recorded my computer reading > the entire practice exams at approximately the speed I thought I would > listen to the exam. Then, on practice day, I took the exam just as I > would on the real day with the casette. > > Hope this helps and good luck. > > jack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod Alcidonis" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:37 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > >> Thanks, Ronza. I will seek further advice from you soon. >> >> Rod Alcidonis >> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >> Roger Williams University School of Law >> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >> Bristol, RI 02809 >> Cell: 718-704-4651 >> Home: 401-824-8685 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >> >> >>>I took the Bar Exam two years ago. I registered for and took BarBri, >>>which >>> worked out very well. They provided me with all the course materials >>> in >>> electronic format, though it was WordPerfect. Such files can be easily >>> converted >>> to Word format though, so don't let that be a deterrent. I physically >>> attended all of the classes, and I highly recommend you do the same. >>> The >>> instructors give all kinds of useful tips that don't appear in the >>> written >>> materials. I actually could hear the ConLaw and CivPro professors in >>> my head during >>> the exam, and I know I did better because of it. They also have an >>> Ipod >>> upgrade option, so you pay a little more and receive an Ipod with the >>> lectures >>> already programmed onto it. I also opted for this, and it helped when >>> I had to >>> miss a physical lecture or needed to go over some material more >>> thoroughly. >>> But this is not an Ipod you can sync with your computer or ITunes, as >>> it will >>> wipe itself if you do. If you can figure out a way to access it, it's >>> great. If not, it'd be a waste of money. For me, I put it under a >>> CCTV and >>> selected the lectures I needed for that day. Or, you can just start it >>> playing >>> and move forward until you find the lecture you want by listening for >>> it. >>> >>> I registered for PMBR, but I didn't go to the lectures because of a >>> family >>> emergency. But I did use the materials they sent, which took the format >>> of >>> electronic documents sent to me on a CD. This was most useful for the >>> practice >>> exams and question bank. If you want to study for the MBE only, PMBR >>> might >>> be a better bet, as it is much cheaper than BarBri. If you're taking >>> an >>> entire exam, I highly recommend BarBri. >>> >>> Feel free to email me off-list if you would like to chat with someone >>> who's >>> done it before. _aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) . Good >>> luck. >>> >>> Ronza >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 11/9/2008 11:07:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> roddj12 at hotmail.com writes: >>> >>> John, did you take the courses in the classroom? >>> I am debating which is better. >>> If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need >>> to >>> go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that >>> in my >>> own quiet time, at my chosen location. >>> Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? >>> I will be making a choice soon! >>> >>> Rod Alcidonis >>> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >>> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >>> Roger Williams University School of Law >>> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >>> Bristol, RI 02809 >>> Cell: 718-704-4651 >>> Home: 401-824-8685 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "john" >>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" >>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >>> >>> >>>>I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >>>>were >>>> on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic >>>> format. >>>> Take care, >>>> John >>>> >>>> John Ramsey Esq. >>>> >>>> Gainesville, FL 32609 >>>> >>>> Phone: (352) 505-6642 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM >>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the >>>> format >>>> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking >>>> the >>>> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. >>>> Could >>>> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there >>>> today? >>>> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I >>>> would >>>> appreciate any input you can give me. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Joy Relon -----Original Message----- >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM >>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >>>> >>>> >>>> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than >>>> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) >>>> From: kdb >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory >>>> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones >>>> and >>>> other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be >>>> made >>>> speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable >>>> throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold >>>> without >>>> adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When >>>> approached >>>> regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for >>>> accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of >>>> hearing >>>> but >>>> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored >>>> regarding >>>> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. >>>> >>>> kdbenterprises >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" >>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM >>>> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >>>> >>>> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than >>>> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) >>>> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) >>>> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) >>>> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 >>>> From: tim and vickie shaw >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs >>>> To: >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> >>>> these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it >>>> does >>>> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service >>>> law >>>> or >>>> for a nonprofit >>>> >>>> http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php >>>> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml >>>> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >>>>> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: >>>>> Friday, >>>> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> >>>> Subject: >>>> [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to >>>> free >>>> tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> >>>> Cordially,> >>>> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) >>>> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> >>>> blindlaw >>>> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >>>> unsubscribe, >>>> change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >>>>> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >>>>> blindlaw >>>> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >>>> unsubscribe, >>>> change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot >>>> mail.com >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are >>>> part >>>> of >>>> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 >>>> From: "Ray Wayne" >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>>> Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "David Andrews" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >- >>>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>>> >school >>>>> >students >>>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>>> >Students >>>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>>> >Irvine >>>>> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >>>>> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >>>>> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >>>>> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >>>>> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >>>>> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected >>>>> to >>>>> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>>>> far >>>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>>>> donor, >>>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>>>> >University >>>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>c:ma >>>> i >>>>> > >>>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 >>>> From: "Rod Alcidonis" >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the >>>> MPRE >>>> this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. >>>> >>>> Rod Alcidonis >>>> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >>>> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >>>> Roger Williams University School of Law >>>> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >>>> Bristol, RI 02809 >>>> Cell: 718-704-4651 >>>> Home: 401-824-8685 >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ray Wayne" >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> >>>> >>>>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>>>> Ray >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "David Andrews" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >- >>>>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>>>> >school >>>>>> >students >>>>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>>>> >Students >>>>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>>>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>>>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>>>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>>>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>>>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>>>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>>>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has >>>>>> >so >>>>>> >far >>>>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million >>>>>> >donor, >>>>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the >>>>>> >University >>>>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC >>>>>> >schools. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>sc:ma >>>>> i >>>>>> > >>>>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >>>>> c.rr.c >>>>> om >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. >>>> com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) >>>> From: Leslie Fairall >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >>>> >>>> As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law >>>> school >>>> is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. 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Search Now. >>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from >>> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jackchenonline%40hotmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From fairall at shellworld.net Mon Nov 10 15:56:16 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for everyone's advice on Bar/Bri. I will check into how much it costs. I have a copy of Wordperfect 6.1 on my computer anyway, and many of my books from the West Group came in that format. The only thing I will need to do is to convert the wpd files to doc files to my notetaker when I'm traveling, which is no big deal. From APrevost at Sidley.com Mon Nov 10 16:40:20 2008 From: APrevost at Sidley.com (Prevost, Ann Marie) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:40:20 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Hello- I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. Has anyone had any experience with this? I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so helpful to me. Ann Marie Prevost Ann Marie Prevost Sidley Austin LLP 787 Seventh Avenue New York, New York 10019 aprevost at sidley.com 212-839-5408 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury regulations, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed on such taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax advice is used or referred to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as written in connection with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed in this communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayer's particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. **************************************************************************************************** This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify us immediately. **************************************************************************************************** From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 17:38:48 2008 From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:38:48 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Briefly, testing is a topic covered under the ADA. If the City of New York is giving this test, as a recipient of federal funds §504 of the Rehabilitation act may come into play. Based upon some cases I have been involved in, I also know that the City of New York has its own anti-discrimination ordinance. That ordinance may be of help to you. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Prevost, Ann Marie Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:40 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] IQ Testing Hello- I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. Has anyone had any experience with this? I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so helpful to me. Ann Marie Prevost Ann Marie Prevost Sidley Austin LLP 787 Seventh Avenue New York, New York 10019 aprevost at sidley.com 212-839-5408 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury regulations, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed on such taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax advice is used or referred to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as written in connection with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed in this communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayer's particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. **************************************************************************** ************************ This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify us immediately. **************************************************************************** ************************ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 10 18:47:09 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:47:09 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: I'm confident everyone who is on this list who is blind has had that experience. Sorry. On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: > Hello- > > I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually > impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes > this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a > particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have > come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested > within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off > for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's > score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they > supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. > However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter > how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not > receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these > tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can > possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I > wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > > My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school > my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What > upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of > insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to > exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took > the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! > > What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take > other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > > Has anyone had any experience with this? > > I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so > helpful to me. > > Ann Marie Prevost > > Ann Marie Prevost > Sidley Austin LLP > 787 Seventh Avenue > New York, New York 10019 > aprevost at sidley.com > 212-839-5408 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury > regulations, we inform you > that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this > communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to > be used, and cannot be > used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that > may be imposed on such > taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such > tax advice is used or referred > to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any > partnership or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be > construed as written in connection > with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or > matter(s) addressed in this > communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the > taxpayer's particular > circumstances from an independent tax advisor. > **************************************************************************************************** > This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that > is privileged or confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and > any attachments and notify us > immediately. > **************************************************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From mpeskoe at insightbb.com Mon Nov 10 19:10:53 2008 From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:10:53 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6u4f2q$1ptq61@asav00.insightbb.com> Please consider contacting Barbara Cheadle at the NFB National Center in Baltimore. She is the President of the National Organization of Blind Children. The group also has a listerv much like this one. I think you will find many people with similar stories as yours there. Good luck. Melanie -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Weisberg Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:47 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] IQ Testing I'm confident everyone who is on this list who is blind has had that experience. Sorry. On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: > Hello- > > I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually > impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes > this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a > particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have > come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested > within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off > for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's > score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they > supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. > However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter > how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not > receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these > tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can > possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I > wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > > My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school > my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What > upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of > insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to > exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took > the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! > > What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take > other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > > Has anyone had any experience with this? > > I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so > helpful to me. > > Ann Marie Prevost > > Ann Marie Prevost > Sidley Austin LLP > 787 Seventh Avenue > New York, New York 10019 > aprevost at sidley.com > 212-839-5408 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury > regulations, we inform you > that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this > communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to > be used, and cannot be > used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that > may be imposed on such > taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such > tax advice is used or referred > to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any > partnership or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be > construed as written in connection > with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or > matter(s) addressed in this > communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the > taxpayer's particular > circumstances from an independent tax advisor. > **************************************************************************** ************************ > This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that > is privileged or confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and > any attachments and notify us > immediately. > **************************************************************************** ************************ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%4 0sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mpeskoe%40insightb b.com From mikefry79 at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 19:12:05 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:12:05 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811101112m31a02671y3b22fe3feee03e99@mail.gmail.com> I think, visual information enters the mind and is processed virtually effortlessly whereas verbal information builds on top of itself through time. The more extensive a vocabulary is and the more concepts an individual has been exposed to will likely increase an IQ score. It's hard to imagine how a visually impaired 4 year old with a necessarily limited vocabulary and episodic imagination because of her age can have an accurately measured I.Q. The IQ is probably accurate of her performance compared to her peers however it is probably not indicative of future performance as it would be with other children since she is an outlier subject because she unlike all the other members in the statistical sample is visually disabled. I'm no expert but I'd recommend tons of audio books read by professional readers so her mind can be enriched with an extensive vocabulary and concepts that would otherwise likely be inaccessible. Don't necessarily pick commerically successful books like Harry Potter because many of them are geared towards less educated idiots. Charles Dickens, biographies, and others are probably good choices in addition to pop culture. Going the extra mile while she's young will likely pay off. Remember Obama's story about his mother waking him up early in the morning while he was elementary school to study. She said to him "this is no picnic for me either buster." The point is, is that IQ test are statistical measures. Statistics can only describe likely outcomes of a population, however statistics should never be used to describe an individual. Your assumption and concern that the IQ test has little to no utility in describing your daughter is correct because your daughter is a far outlier and the test no matter if accommodations were made isn't designed for her at this age. In ten years however, after plenty of her peers have been screwed-up on drugs, or by uncaring parents, or bad influencing older siblings and your daughters vocabulary has been extensively enriched beyond her peers because she's read all the classics and knows the biographies of all great Americans then the test will likely have more utility as it will get her into Harvard or some other prestigious school. Mike On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: > Hello- > > I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually > impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes this > interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a particular Gifted > and Talented program in the City. The results have come in. I am not > surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested within 2 points of each > other and will very easily make the cut-off for at least some of the G&T > programs in the City. My daughter's score was more than 20 points less then > the boys. Yes they supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I > believe. However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter > how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not receive her > information the same way. Maybe when she is older these tests will even out > - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can possibly be accurate. If she > had been 5 or 10 points behind I wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > > My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school my older > son is already in. However, that is not the point. What upsets me is that we > are supposed to accept this score instead of insisting on a test for the > visually impaired - which don't seem to exist. Heck, I would like to test > all the other children who took the test on the things she knows and > does!!!!!! > > What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take other > tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > > Has anyone had any experience with this? > > I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so helpful > to me. > > Ann Marie Prevost > > Ann Marie Prevost > Sidley Austin LLP > 787 Seventh Avenue > New York, New York 10019 > aprevost at sidley.com > 212-839-5408 > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury > regulations, we inform you > that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this > communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be > used, and cannot be > used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may be > imposed on such > taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax > advice is used or referred > to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any partnership > or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as > written in connection > with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or > matter(s) addressed in this > communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the > taxpayer's particular > circumstances from an independent tax advisor. > > **************************************************************************************************** > This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is > privileged or confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any > attachments and notify us > immediately. > > **************************************************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 10 20:30:54 2008 From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:30:54 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials References: Message-ID: <056401c94373$3baad040$6601a8c0@server> Hi Rod, I have taken several of the Barbri courses using audio cassettes, electronic books, and outlines all provided by Barbri. Taking the classroom course would not have worked as well for me, because I would have been working at the pace of the instructor rather than my own. A typical Barbri classroom course lasts approximately 2 months, but I always spent longer than that length of time studying. I have passed the California, Illinois, Oregon and New York bar exams using the Barbri materials. They are excellent. All the best, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Alcidonis" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > John, did you take the courses in the classroom? > I am debating which is better. > If they will give me the same thing on Cd, then there won't be the need to > go and sit in a room to watch a video and take notes -- I can do that in > my own quiet time, at my chosen location. > Have anyone taken those review classes privately before? > I will be making a choice soon! > > Rod Alcidonis > Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney > Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. > Roger Williams University School of Law > 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 > Bristol, RI 02809 > Cell: 718-704-4651 > Home: 401-824-8685 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials > > >>I had good luck with PMBR and BAR/BRI for the multi-state. The courses >>were >> on CD and I had the accompanying outlines and handouts in electronic >> format. >> Take care, >> John >> >> John Ramsey Esq. >> >> Gainesville, FL 32609 >> >> Phone: (352) 505-6642 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Garry and Joy Relton >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:44 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Review Materials >> >> >> Hi folks. I graduated from law school about twenty years ago when the >> format >> of law review materials was cassettes. I am now thinking about taking the >> bar and would like to try out one of the digital bar review packages. >> Could >> some of you share your experiences with the various courses out there >> today? >> I am especially interested in finding out about the MBE for now. I would >> appreciate any input you can give me. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Joy Relon -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 1:00 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 (kdb) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:50:05 -0800 (PST) >> From: kdb >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Message-ID: <311704.5198.qm at web57309.mail.re1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Update needed: Have any suits been filed to address the disciminatory >> practices of companies creating, distributing and selling cell phones and >> other equipment that via software that is currently AVAILABLE can be made >> speakable and use of voice command to operate the items made useable >> throughout each menu and submenu component, yet continues to be sold >> without >> adequate accessibility, especially for Apple/mac users? When approached >> regarding this issue and reminded that the owners did provide for >> accessibility via TTY I remind them that is fine for the hard of hearing >> but >> the blind and low vision groups seem to continue to be ignored regarding >> total accessibility for ALL. Thanks for any information on this issue. >> >> kdbenterprises >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org" >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:00:03 PM >> Subject: blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> >> Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Loan Forgiveness Programs (tim and vickie shaw) >> 2. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Ray Wayne) >> 3. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Rod Alcidonis) >> 4. Re: Fwd Free tuition for law school (Leslie Fairall) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:11:43 +0000 >> From: tim and vickie shaw >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> these sites have some good general info about loan forgiveness, but it >> does >> look lke most really only apply if you are working in public service law >> or >> for a nonprofit >> >> http://www.gradloans.com/law_school_loans/law_loan_forgiveness.php >> http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml >> http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/sclaid/lrap/home.html >>> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of john> Sent: Friday, >> November 07, 2008 4:44 AM> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'> Subject: >> [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs> > On a somewhat related topic to >> free >> tuition, does anyone know of any loan> forgiveness programs?> Cordially,> >> John> > > John Ramsey Esq.> > Gainesville, FL 32609> > Phone: (352) >> 505-6642> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilit >>> ypride.com> > > _______________________________________________> >>> blindlaw >> mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To >> unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hot >> mail.com >> _________________________________________________________________ >> See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part >> of >> your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:58:58 -0500 >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: <005901c9414d$f2194780$13560e62 at nyc.rr.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> >>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>> >Irvine law school students] >>> > >>> > >>> >- >>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>> >school >>> >students >>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>> >From: Anne Ward >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>> >Students >>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in Irvine >>> >next fall will get their legal education for free. The law school is >>> >giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to its first >>> >2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal reports. >>> >Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external affairs >>> >at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to attract >>> >high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is expected to >>> >cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>> >far >>> >raised about a third of the money. >>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>> >>>>>c:ma >> i >>> > >>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c >> om >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:30:58 -0500 >> From: "Rod Alcidonis" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Shame on Ray for discouraging!!!! (Smile). I am preparing to take the >> MPRE >> this morning, and there is not much motivation in one's 3l year. >> >> Rod Alcidonis >> Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney >> Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. >> Roger Williams University School of Law >> 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 >> Bristol, RI 02809 >> Cell: 718-704-4651 >> Home: 401-824-8685 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ray Wayne" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> >> >>> Nothing could make me repeat law school! Smile! >>> Ray >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Andrews" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:31 AM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >Anybody want to transfer? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >news: free tuition in 2009 for UC >>>> >Irvine law school students] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >- >>>> >Subject: CAPVI news: free tuition in 2009 for UC Irvine law >>>> >school >>>> >students >>>> >Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:16:49 -0800 >>>> >From: Anne Ward >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Law School Free for UC Irvine?s Entering 2009 Class >>>> >Posted Oct 22, 2008, 08:34 am CST >>>> >By Debra Cassens Weiss >>>> >Students >>>> >who enroll at the University of California?s new law school in >>>> >Irvine next fall will get their legal education for free. The law >>>> >school is giving full tuition scholarships worth about $100,000 to >>>> >its first 2009 class of about 60 students, the National Law Journal >>>> >reports. Charles Cannon, assistant dean of development and external >>>> >affairs at the law school, told the publication UC Irvine hopes to >>>> >attract high-quality students with the offer. The free tuition is >>>> >expected to cost the school about $6 million, he said. >>>> >The school is seeking donations to cover the scholarships and has so >>>> >far >>>> >raised about a third of the money. >>>> >The story also reports that the law school had originally called >>>> >itself the Donald Bren School of Law in honor of a $20 million donor, >>>> >but the school is dropping the name. It will be called the University >>>> >of California, Irvine, a name that is parallel to other UC schools. >>>> >>>>>>>sc:ma >>> i >>>> > >>>> >lto:Mail2Corbett%40yahoo.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40ny >>> c.rr.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail. >> com >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:36:06 -0500 (EST) >> From: Leslie Fairall >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd Free tuition for law school >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> As a struggling part-time 1L, the prospect is tempting since my law >> school >> is not approved by the ABA because the school is online. However, you >> have >> to have a way to pay the bills, which my GS-11 Federal job provides at >> the >> moment. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 6 >> *************************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 54, Issue 7 >> *************************************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 >> 2:14 PM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net From b75205 at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 21:40:36 2008 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:40:36 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Well this is what I have been pointing out that the testing facilities are not designing tests that accommodate the blind. They are only concerned with Section 508 compliance and not a whole solution. You and I know that Section 508 is rather meaningless unless they actually care enough to test their form or page using a real screen reader. I just received an email from the Access Board where they were commenting on the Accessibility of the EAC, the Elections Assistance Commission where they managed to find some features of the EAC website to be accessible to the blind according to Section 508 and they seemed pleased with that accomplishment. But Accessibility is not solved by fixing only a few items. It is an either or situation, not step by step. You are either accessible or you are not. The feeling that I find in government is that the blind should be happy with what they have, that the blind are a class of sub humans that should be happy with whatever scraps they receive from the table. This is appalling but I see it in the previous discussion on going to law school. Where you are requesting that they make the testing accessible as if there should be some sort of delay, that the technology does not exist to do it now. Oh please Mr law school please be nice. You should be demanding that they do this or CLOSE THEM DOWN under Section 504. Take their federal money. No more student loans. No more grants, CLOSE THEM DOWN! This is a disgrace. Stop this wimpy attitude and get them! The laws are on the books, this behavior is wrong. Who here has the guts to stand up for the blind? Where are you, what is this garbage! The technology exists. There is no excuse. Stand up and be counted and fight these people and force them into compliance! This little kid is being labeled mentally deficient because some bureaucrat refuses to obey the law. I faced this same type of problem when I was a kid, I was on crutches for the first 15 years of my life and the State of New Jersey had no provision for the disabled and so their solution was to fail all the disabled kids from Gym. The Gym teachers were idiots who regularly made fun of the disabled students and the teachers did not have the brain capacity to realize that we were capable we just need the curriculum changed. Yes this was illegal, cruel, but nobody enforces the law because everyone who is capable of enforcing the law are wimps. Fortunately my college figured out that the state bureaucrats of new jersey were neanderthals and they accepted me into college. If your kid was Hispanic and they refused to give that kid the test in Spanish you could sue them because of the status of the Hispanics under the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. They are a class of people to be protected from this type of discrimination. So why is it OK for the blind to be discriminated like this? And why are you lawyers all laying down and not doing anything about it? If you are under the impression that the technology does not exist, it exists, they just refuse to use it. And notice that the states are not concerned about the costs of changing documents and forms into spanish but they are concerned for the blind. This is just discrimination, that's all it is! In this past election, none, I repeat none of the voter registration forms were accessible to the blind. There are 10 million blind people who are eligible to vote according to Jim Dickson of the American Association of People with Disabilities. The states were required to be accessible to the blind in every law passed on voting rights and accessibility rights for the past 35 years. Each of these laws required specifically that voter registration be made accessible to the law, and it is written into 6 laws so clearly they have never complied and Congress had to write it into law 6 times. So why are the blind not a class to be protected under the Voting Rights Act? The consequences of non compliance is the removal of electors for the states, for both the electoral college and the House of Representatives and the redistricting of the states. The States would go ape if they there forced to redistrict let alone loose members of Congress. They would do anything to comply. It is all there in the law all you have to do is go before the DC US District Court a three judge panel is set up to hear these cases in an election. This is the same law that was used to punish the southern states under Reconstruction and that was because 4 million people were denied the right to vote. It is the same law, the 14th Amendment Section 2. We could not bring this before the election day because the states are discriminating in the election and they were not guilt of the crime until all the votes were cast. This is because many states have voter registration on election day. But you can attack this now before the electoral college meets because the crime is still active it can still be fixed. It will not make a difference to the outcome, but it will cause the states to Integrate the Blind. The lawyers who would normally use this law represent one side or the other in the political debate, and they have no vested interest in bringing the discrimination case of the blind to this court. This is because the consequences of violating the Voting Rights Act is to remove elector, remove members of Congress from ALL the states and the last thing they want to do is upset their political clients. So this has to be done by YOU the blind lawyers. That is if you really want to Integrate the blind, or if you want to do things piece-meal and rely on ADA law to do this bit by bit in the states. Or you can have three federal judges do a sweeping action which would probably result in the reconstruction of the Access Board, cause each state to create an auditing agency of their Section 508 compliance which would audit their IT people to determine if they actually know what they are doing, Change section 508 to include testing with real world solutions like JAWS and Window Eyes and bring everyone into W3c compliance and it will enable legislation to integrate the blind into the private sector and expand accessibility nationwide. And of course you the blind lawyers would be involved in actually integrating the blind all over this nation with real solutions and not all this little stuff of trying to get government agencies to make things section 508 compliant. Do you like begging for access that is a right for everyone else in our society. If the states are willing to deny the right to vote to the blind, then this shows just how much contempt they have for the law in every other aspect. You all see this, it is about time we demand change! Who here is willing to fight the fight? Or you can continue to beg for the scraps under the table. You need evidence, I fought the fight and I have correspondence from the EAC and the states where they refuse to integrate the blind. Where the state of Washington actually put it in writing that they were not required to make voter registration forms accessible to the blind. There is just too much money in not solving the problem. The Rehabilitation Act set up a huge government agency whose sole existence is to solve accessibility and they will continue to solve it for a thousand years because there is no incentive to actually fix anything, only to try to fix the problem. If they fix the problem then the agency disappears. I want the agency to disappear, we need to solve this once and for all! There is just too much money in keeping the problem alive. The result is the involuntary servitude of 10 million people. This is a national disgrace. Sincerely James G. Pepper 214-360-0622 PS if you don't want to fight the fight, do you all know anyone with any guts in France or Britain? On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: > Hello- > > I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually > impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes this > interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a particular Gifted > and Talented program in the City. The results have come in. I am not > surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested within 2 points of each > other and will very easily make the cut-off for at least some of the G&T > programs in the City. My daughter's score was more than 20 points less then > the boys. Yes they supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I > believe. However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter > how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not receive her > information the same way. Maybe when she is older these tests will even out > - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can possibly be accurate. If she > had been 5 or 10 points behind I wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > > My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school my older > son is already in. However, that is not the point. What upsets me is that we > are supposed to accept this score instead of insisting on a test for the > visually impaired - which don't seem to exist. Heck, I would like to test > all the other children who took the test on the things she knows and > does!!!!!! > > What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take other > tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > > Has anyone had any experience with this? > > I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so helpful > to me. > > Ann Marie Prevost > > Ann Marie Prevost > Sidley Austin LLP > 787 Seventh Avenue > New York, New York 10019 > aprevost at sidley.com > 212-839-5408 > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury > regulations, we inform you > that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this > communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be > used, and cannot be > used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may be > imposed on such > taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax > advice is used or referred > to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any partnership > or other entity, > investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as > written in connection > with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or > matter(s) addressed in this > communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the > taxpayer's particular > circumstances from an independent tax advisor. > > **************************************************************************************************** > This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is > privileged or confidential. > If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any > attachments and notify us > immediately. > > **************************************************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com Tue Nov 11 02:24:05 2008 From: RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com (Ray Wayne) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:24:05 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <001601c943a4$921c5e40$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Actually, the NYC Human Rights Law excludes coverage as to matters that are "educational or pedagogic in nature." I know because I work for the Commission on Human Rights. The US Dept. of Education, Office for Civil Rights should be the place to go. Please contact me off-list. Ray Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr." To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] IQ Testing Briefly, testing is a topic covered under the ADA. If the City of New York is giving this test, as a recipient of federal funds §504 of the Rehabilitation act may come into play. Based upon some cases I have been involved in, I also know that the City of New York has its own anti-discrimination ordinance. That ordinance may be of help to you. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Prevost, Ann Marie Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:40 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] IQ Testing Hello- I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. Has anyone had any experience with this? I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so helpful to me. Ann Marie Prevost Ann Marie Prevost Sidley Austin LLP 787 Seventh Avenue New York, New York 10019 aprevost at sidley.com 212-839-5408 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury regulations, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may be imposed on such taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax advice is used or referred to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as written in connection with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed in this communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayer's particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. **************************************************************************** ************************ This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify us immediately. **************************************************************************** ************************ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om From AZNOR99 at aol.com Tue Nov 11 03:20:22 2008 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:20:22 EST Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing Message-ID: Anne Marie, Please contact me off-list at _ro at browngold.com_ (mailto:ro at browngold.com) . I have some questions for you, and we may possibly have some direction we can take. But I need more information and also to talk to some people before I can be sure. Regards, Ronza Othman In a message dated 11/10/2008 2:09:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net writes: I'm confident everyone who is on this list who is blind has had that experience. Sorry. On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: > Hello- > > I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually > impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes > this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a > particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have > come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested > within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off > for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's > score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they > supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. > However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter > how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not > receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these > tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can > possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I > wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > > My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school > my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What > upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of > insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to > exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took > the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! > > What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take > other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > > Has anyone had any experience with this? > > I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so > helpful to me. > > Ann Marie Prevost > > Ann Marie Prevost > Sidley Austin LLP > 787 Seventh Avenue > New York, New York 10019 > aprevost at sidley.com > 212-839-5408 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury > regulations, we inform you > that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice > contained in this > communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to > be used, and cannot be > used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that > may be imposed on such > taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. 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Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) From dandrews at visi.com Tue Nov 11 12:09:19 2008 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:09:19 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] IQ Testing In-Reply-To: References: <001601c8b175$86c979e0$60570e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Dear Ms. Prevost: It is good that you are on this list as some of the issues that come up over the years may be legal -- unfortunat3ely the special education system is sometimes adversarial. However, you can also probably get your best assistance, advice, and suggestions from our National Organization of Parents of Blind Children NOP|BC division and list. To subscribe to their list go to: http://www.nfbnet.org and choose the first link. Then choose the Blind Kid list, and subscribe. Dave At 10:40 AM 11/10/2008, Prevost, Ann Marie wrote: >Hello- > >I am an attorney in NYC and the mother of a 4 year old visually >impaired/legally blind daughter. She is also a triplet which makes >this interesting. I have recently had all three tested for a >particular Gifted and Talented program in the City. The results have >come in. I am not surprised - however - I am angry. The boys tested >within 2 points of each other and will very easily make the cut-off >for at least some of the G&T programs in the City. My daughter's >score was more than 20 points less then the boys. Yes they >supposedly made accommodations - a few enlargements I believe. >However the test is geared toward children with vision. No matter >how bright she is she has a disadvantage in that she does not >receive her information the same way. Maybe when she is older these >tests will even out - but as a 4 year old I don't think they can >possibly be accurate. If she had been 5 or 10 points behind I >wouldn't be so upset - but not 20. > >My daughter is lucky because she is set to go to the public school >my older son is already in. However, that is not the point. What >upsets me is that we are supposed to accept this score instead of >insisting on a test for the visually impaired - which don't seem to >exist. Heck, I would like to test all the other children who took >the test on the things she knows and does!!!!!! > >What I am more worried about is the future when she needs to take >other tests which do not adequately reflect her ability. > >Has anyone had any experience with this? > >I can't thank you all enough. Being on this list serve has been so >helpful to me. > >Ann Marie Prevost > >Ann Marie Prevost >Sidley Austin LLP >787 Seventh Avenue >New York, New York 10019 >aprevost at sidley.com >212-839-5408 > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with certain U.S. Treasury >regulations, we inform you >that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice >contained in this >communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to >be used, and cannot be >used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that >may be imposed on such >taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such >tax advice is used or referred >to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any >partnership or other entity, >investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be >construed as written in connection >with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or >matter(s) addressed in this >communication and (ii) the taxpayer should seek advice based on the >taxpayer's particular >circumstances from an independent tax advisor. >**************************************************************************************************** >This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that >is privileged or confidential. >If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and >any attachments and notify us >immediately. >**************************************************************************************************** > >_______________________________________________ >blindlaw mailing list >blindlaw at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for blindlaw: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: >11/10/2008 7:53 AM From dandrews at visi.com Tue Nov 11 12:16:26 2008 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:16:26 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: [Blindvet-talk] Revised rule on visual disorders of the eye Message-ID: > >All Vets, >Notice from Jim McCarthy in Baltimore. >Read on Please. >Dwight > > > >____________________________________ > From: JMcCarthy at nfb.org >To: MisterAdvocate at aol.com >Sent: 11/10/2008 2:36:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time >Subj: Revised rule on visual disorders of the eye > > >Dwight, >This is the veteran's revised rule on disabilities of the eye. It has >been under consideration from 1998 and perhaps some here were aware of >that, but because there was no discussion of the rule, I was not. The >rule becomes final after December 10 and here it is as published in the >federal Register. >Jim McCarthy > >FR Doc E8-26304[Federal Register: November 10, 2008 (Volume 73, Number >218)] >[Rules and Regulations] >[Page 66543-66554] > >From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov] >[DOCID:fr10no08-17] > >======================================================================= >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS > >38 CFR Part 4 > >RIN 2900-AH43 > > >Schedule for Rating Disabilities; Eye > >AGENCY: Department of Veterans Affairs. > >ACTION: Final rule. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >SUMMARY: This document amends the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) >Schedule for Rating Disabilities (Rating Schedule) by updating the >portion of the schedule that addresses disabilities of the eye. These >amendments ensure that the schedule uses current medical terminology, >provides unambiguous criteria for evaluating disabilities, and > >[[Page 66544]] > >incorporates pertinent medical advances. > >DATES: Effective Date: This amendment is effective December 10, 2008. >Applicability Date: These amendments shall apply to all >applications for benefits received by VA on or after December 10, 2008. > >FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Maya Ferrandino, Consultant, Policy >and Regulations Staff (211D), Compensation and Pension Service, >Veterans Benefits Administration, Department of Veterans Affairs, 810 >Vermont Ave., NW., Washington, DC, 20420, (727) 319-5847. (This is not >a toll-free number.) > >SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: As part of its review of the Schedule for >Rating Disabilities (38 CFR part 4), VA published a proposal to amend >the portion of the schedule pertaining to the eye in the Federal >Register of May 11, 1999 (64 FR 25246-25258). Interested persons were >invited to submit written comments on or before July 12, 1999. We >received comments from the Disabled American Veterans, the Blinded >Veterans Association, and one other interested party. > >Section 4.75 General Considerations for Evaluating Visual Impairment > >We proposed to add paragraph (c) to Sec. 4.75 to codify the >longstanding VA practice that when visual impairment of only one eye is >service-connected, either directly or by aggravation, the visual acuity >of the nonservice-connected eye must be considered to be 20/40, subject >to the provisions of 38 CFR 3.383(a). Section 3.383(a) directs that >when there is blindness in one eye as a result of service-connected >disability and blindness in the other eye as a result of nonservice- >connected disability, VA will pay compensation as if both were service- >connected. >We also proposed to remove current Sec. 4.78, which provides a >method of determining the level of disability when the visual >impairment is aggravated during military service. As stated in the >proposed rule, Sec. 4.78 is not consistent with VA's method of >evaluating visual impairment incurred in service in one eye only, nor >is it consistent with VA's statutory scheme governing VA benefits. Its >application may, in some cases, result in a higher evaluation for a >condition that is aggravated by service than for an identical condition >incurred in service, which is not equitable. Section 4.78 is also >inconsistent with the method of evaluating other paired organs, such as >the hands, where only the service-connected hand is evaluated, >regardless of the status of the nonservice-connected hand, subject to >the provisions of Sec. 3.383(a). >One commenter challenges the rule proposed in Sec. 4.75(c) as >contrary to legal authority and long-standing VA practice. According to >the commenter, the proper rating of visual disability always considers: >(1) The vision of each eye, regardless of whether the origin of the >service-connected disability is one or both eyes and (2) the entire >disability, regardless of whether service connection is based on >incurrence or aggravation. The commenter stated that ``service >connection is always bilateral in the legal sense.'' The commenter >stated that VA used the term ``service connected'' in current Sec. >4.78 in its literal sense and that the nonservice-connected visual >impairment to which Sec. 4.78 refers ``denotes the origin of the >disability, not its legal status.'' The commenter further asserted that >``service connection attaches to the impairment of function or >disability and not to the organ or body part per se'' and that >``service connection is accordingly established for visual impairment >that is incurred in or aggravated by service and is not limited to the >eye with the service-related disability.'' The commenter cited VA's >Office of the General Counsel opinion VAOPGC 25-60 (9-13-60) and 38 >U.S.C. 1160 in support of these assertions. >To an extent, the commenter is correct that the proper rating of >visual disability always considers the vision of each eye, regardless >of whether the origin of the service-connected disability is one or >both eyes. However, if visual impairment of only one eye is service- >connected, the vision in the other eye is considered to be normal, >i.e., 20/40. To do otherwise would violate 38 CFR 4.14, which provides >that ``the use of manifestations not resulting from service-connected >disease or injury in establishing the service-connected evaluation * * >* [is] to be avoided.'' Proposed Sec. 4.75(c) merely states long- >standing VA practice in this regard. >The commenter is mistaken about the entire disability being >considered, regardless of whether service connection is based on >incurrence or aggravation. As 38 CFR 4.22 plainly states: ``In cases >involving aggravation by active service, the rating will reflect only >the degree of disability over and above the degree existing at the time >of entrance into the active service * * *. It is necessary therefore, >in all cases of this character[,] to deduct from the present degree of >disability the degree, if ascertainable, of the disability existing at >the time of entrance into active service. * * *'' >Although there are certain specified exceptions (such as 38 U.S.C. >1151 and 1160), generally the statutes governing VA benefits authorize >compensation for service-connected disability only. 38 U.S.C. 101(13), >1110, 1131. Only disabilities that result from injury or disease >incurred or aggravated in service may be service connected. 38 U.S.C. >1110, 1131; 38 CFR 3.310(a). VAOPGC 25-60 addressed whether VA had >authority to award a 100-percent disability rating for visual >impairment where there is service-connected loss or loss of use of one >eye and nonservice-connected loss or loss of use of the other eye >arising after service. The opinion held that VA did not have statutory >authority to compensate veterans for nonservice-connected visual >disability arising after service. However, Congress later provided an >exception in 38 U.S.C. 1160. If a veteran has visual impairment in one >eye as a result of service-connected disability and visual impairment >in the other eye as a result of nonservice-connected disability not the >result of the veteran's own willful misconduct and either (1) the >impairment of visual acuity in each eye is rated at a visual acuity of >20/200 or less or (2) the peripheral field of vision for each eye is 20 >degrees or less, VA must pay compensation to the veteran as if the >combination of both disabilities were the result of service-connected >disability. 38 U.S.C. 1160(a). Thus, VA's authority to consider >nonservice-connected visual disability for compensation purposes is >limited to the circumstances described in section 1160(a). Absent the >degree of visual impairment in both eyes prescribed in section 1160(a), >nonservice-connected visual disability is not compensable and therefore >not to be considered when rating service-connected disability. Where a >claimant has a service-connected disability of only one eye and a >nonservice-connected visual impairment but not of the degree prescribed >by section 1160(a) in the other eye, deeming the nonservice-connected >eye as having a visual acuity of 20/40 results in accurate evaluations >that are based solely upon service-connected visual impairment. Our >proposal to deem the nonservice-connected eye as having a visual acuity >of 20/40 is consistent with current law. We make no change based upon >this comment. >This commenter also asserted that VA should consider hearing loss >less than total deafness and visual impairment less than blindness when >evaluating impairment of the nonservice-connected ear and eye, >respectively. The > >[[Page 66545]] > >commenter disagreed with VA's Office of the General Counsel opinion >VAOPGCPREC 32-97, which interpreted the statutes governing compensation >for service-connected disabilities and concluded that where a claimant >has service-connected hearing loss in one ear and nonservice-connected >hearing loss in the other ear, for purposes of evaluating the service- >connected disability, the hearing in the ear with nonservice-connected >hearing loss should be considered normal, unless the claimant is >totally deaf in both ears. The issue raised by the commenter was mooted >by the Veterans Benefits Act of 2002, Public Law 107-330, which >authorized VA, when a veteran has compensable service-connected hearing >loss in one ear and nonservice-connected deafness in the other ear, to >assign an evaluation and pay compensation as though both ears were >service-connected, and the Dr. James Allen Veteran Vision Equity Act of >2007, Public Law 110-157, which authorized VA, when a veteran has >service-connected visual impairment in one eye and nonservice-connected >visual impairment in the other eye of the degree described above, to >assign an evaluation and pay compensation as though both eye >disabilities were service connected. See 38 U.S.C. 1160(a)(1) and (3). >Further, while Sec. 4.78 addressed aggravation, it is unnecessary >to include this in this regulation as it is covered in 38 CFR 4.22. >Section 4.78's discussion of aggravation was duplicative of Sec. 4.22. >Proposed Sec. 4.75(d) stated that the evaluation for visual >impairment of one eye may be combined with evaluations for other >disabilities that are not based on visual impairment and included >disfigurement as an example. One commenter suggested that we evaluate >phthisis bulbi (shrunken eyeball) or other serious cosmetic defect of >the eyeball at 40 percent instead of referring the rater to diagnostic >code 7800 (``Scars, disfiguring, head, face, or neck'') under the skin >portion of the Rating Schedule. The commenter felt this would provide a >standard evaluation for this problem. >The portion of the Rating Schedule that addresses the skin has been >revised (67 FR 49590, July 31, 2002) since the comment was written. >Diagnostic code 7800 is no longer limited to evaluation of scarring of >the skin. The revised evaluation criteria include a 30-percent >evaluation for gross distortion or asymmetry of a paired set of >features with visible or palpable tissue loss. Since by definition, >phthisis bulbi is a shrunken or atrophic eyeball, there would be >visible or palpable tissue loss, and this level of evaluation under >diagnostic code 7800 would apply. Any other cosmetic defect of the >eyeball that meets the criteria for disfigurement could also be >evaluated under diagnostic code 7800, with the level of evaluation >based on application of the criteria for disfigurement. Therefore, we >make no change based on this comment. >Proposed Sec. 4.75(e) instructed adjudicators to increase >evaluations by 10 percent in situations where a claimant has anatomical >loss of one eye with inability to wear a prosthesis. One commenter >suggested that 10 percent be added in the absence of anatomical loss >but with deformity and inability to wear a prosthesis. The evaluation >criteria of diagnostic code 7800 would apply in this situation. The >level of evaluation for deformity and inability to wear a prosthesis >could be more or less than 10 percent, depending on the extent of >disfigurement. However, to avoid pyramiding under 38 CFR 4.14 (``the >evaluation of the same manifestation under different diagnoses [is] to >be avoided''), an evaluation under diagnostic code 7800 would preclude >an additional 10 percent for the same deformity under Sec. 4.75. We >have decided to also specify in Sec. 4.75(e) that the 10-percent >increase in evaluation under that provision for anatomical loss of one >eye with inability to wear a prosthesis precludes an evaluation under >diagnostic code 7800 based on gross distortion or asymmetry of the eye. >We made nonsubstantive revisions to proposed Sec. 4.75(b), (c), >(d), (e), and (f) to improve clarity. > >Section 4.76 Visual Acuity > >We proposed to delete Sec. 4.83, which stated that a person not >able to read at any one of the scheduled steps or distances, but able >to read at the ``next scheduled step or distance,'' is to be rated as >reading at this latter step or distance. A commenter noted that this >rule is vital for determining whether to select the higher or lower >evaluation and recommended that we retain Sec. 4.83. In our view, an >adjudicator could simply refer to 38 CFR 4.7 to determine the correct >evaluation. However, we will retain this instruction to promote >consistency of evaluations. We have included the following language in >Sec. 4.76(b) at Sec. 4.76(b)(4): ``To evaluate the impairment of >visual acuity where a claimant has a reported visual acuity that is >between two sequentially listed visual acuities, use the visual acuity >which permits the higher evaluation.'' >We proposed that visual acuity would generally be evaluated on the >basis of corrected distance vision. One commenter suggested that >because VA policy is to rate on central acuity, not eccentric viewing, >we should revise the proposed language of Sec. 4.76(b)(1) to clarify >that even when a central scotoma is present, central visual acuity is >evaluated based upon best corrected distance vision with central >fixation. We agree that central visual acuity should be emphasized. To >assure consistency of evaluation and eliminate the variability that >could result if eccentric vision were tested, we have revised the >language of proposed Sec. 4.76(b)(1) according to the commenter's >suggestion. For the sake of consistency, we have also added ``central'' >to Sec. 4.76(a) before ``uncorrected and corrected visual acuity''. >Another commenter asked how visual acuity is determined if central >fixation is not possible. Visual acuity can be determined in these >cases by optometrists and ophthalmologists, because they are routinely >trained in special methods and techniques that allow them to assess >visual acuity and/or function when there is loss of central fixation. >Thus, central visual acuity can still be used to rate visual >impairment, even if central fixation is impossible. >In Sec. 4.76(b)(1), we proposed to amend how we evaluate visual >acuity where there is a significant difference in the lens required to >correct distance vision in the poorer eye compared to the lens required >to correct distance vision in the better eye. We proposed to evaluate >the visual acuity of the poorer eye using either its uncorrected visual >acuity or its visual acuity as corrected by a lens that does not differ >by more than three diopters from the lens needed for correction of the >other eye, whichever results in better combined visual acuity. This >provision reduced the diopter difference required for application of >this provision from the current requirement of more than four diopters >to a requirement of more than three diopters. We proposed to reduce the >diopter difference because at more than three diopters there is a >significant possibility that a claimant will have visual difficulties. >However, we have learned that even reducing the diopter difference >required for application of this provision from more than four diopters >to more than three diopters may still not assure that the individual's >brain will be able to ``fuse'' the two differently sized images. The >inability to do so results in an intolerable optical correction from >clinically significant aniseikonia (where the ocular image of an object >as seen by one eye differs in size and shape from that seen by the >other). >Therefore, we have decided to remove the language ``by a lens that >does not > >[[Page 66546]] > >differ by more than three diopters from the lens needed for correction >of the other eye.'' By permitting evaluation based on either >uncorrected vision or corrected vision without specifying the >refractive power of the lens, we can accommodate both individuals who >do experience visual difficulty when wearing such different lenses and >individuals who do not experience visual difficulty. >Further, we have added to Sec. 4.76(b)(1) language stating, ``and >either the poorer eye or both eyes are service connected'' to emphasize >VA's authority to service connect unilateral visual impairment. This >additional language clarifies that VA evaluators must apply this >provision whether disability of either only one eye (the poorer eye) or >both eyes is service-connected. >We made nonsubstantive revisions to proposed Sec. 4.76(a), (b)(1), >(b)(2) and (b)(3) to improve clarity. > >Section 4.76a Computation of Average Concentric Contraction of Visual >Fields > >We proposed to remove Sec. 4.76a because directions for evaluating >visual fields were revised and moved to Sec. 4.77. The proposed rule >did not make it clear whether or not Table III and Figure 1, which are >part of Sec. 4.76a, were to be retained. Table III lists the normal >degrees of the visual field at the eight principal meridians and also >gives an example of computing concentric contraction of abnormal visual >fields. One commenter suggested that we retain the example of computing >visual fields because it is useful for understanding the material on >average concentric contraction. We agree, and although we have deleted >from Sec. 4.76a the text preceding Table III, we have retained Table >III (including the example) and Figure 1 in the final rule. > >Section 4.77 Visual Fields > >Proposed Sec. 4.77(a) stated that to be adequate for VA purposes, >examinations of visual fields must be conducted using a Goldmann >kinetic perimeter or equivalent kinetic method, using a standard target >size and luminance (Goldmann's equivalent (III/4e)). It required that >at least 16 meridians 221/2 degrees apart be charted for each eye. >Table III listed the normal extent of the visual fields (in degrees) at >the 8 principal meridians (45 degrees apart). It also stated that the >examination must be supplemented by the use of a tangent screen when >the examiner indicates it is necessary. >The preamble to the proposed rule also stated that until there are >reliable standards for comparing the results from static and kinetic >perimetry, we propose to retain the requirement for the use of Goldmann >kinetic perimetry, which is more reliable than the alternatives. One >commenter suggested that VA's disability examination worksheet for the >eye also specify the use of a Goldmann kinetic perimeter or equivalent >kinetic examination method. >After the proposed rule was published, software programs for >automated perimetry were developed that completely simulate results >from Goldmann perimetry and can be charted on standard Goldmann charts. >The Compensation and Pension Service, after consultation with the >Veterans Health Administration's Chiefs of Ophthalmology and Optometry, >sent a letter (FL06-21) on November 8, 2006, to the Veterans Benefits >Administration regional offices stating that Humphrey Model 750, >Octopus Model 101, and later versions of these perimetric devices with >simulated kinetic Goldmann testing capability are acceptable devices >for determining the extent of visual field loss for compensation and >pension eye rating examinations. >Therefore, we have changed proposed Sec. 4.77(a) to indicate that >examiners must assess visual fields using either Goldmann kinetic >perimetry or automated perimetry using Humphrey Model 750, Octopus >Model 101, or later versions of these perimetric devices with simulated >kinetic Goldmann testing capability. We also clarified the directions >about the Goldmann equivalent that must be used for phakic (normal), >aphakic, and pseudophakic individuals. The content of the disability >examination worksheets is beyond the scope of this rulemaking, and we >make no change based on the comment about the worksheet. >We proposed to evaluate visual fields by using a Goldmann kinetic >perimeter or equivalent kinetic method, using a standard target size >and luminance (Goldmann's equivalent (III/4e)). That Goldmann >equivalent is useful for evaluating visual fields except in certain >cases where a larger equivalent size is needed. We have therefore >clarified the use of Goldmann equivalents in the final rule by revising >proposed Sec. 4.77(a) to state that, for phakic (normal) individuals, >as well as for pseudophakic or aphakic individuals who are well adapted >to intraocular lens implant or contact lens correction, visual field >examinations must be conducted using a standard target size and >luminance, which is Goldmann's equivalent III/4e. For aphakic >individuals not well adapted to contact lens correction or pseudophakic >individuals not well adapted to intraocular lens implant, visual field >examinations must be conducted using Goldmann's equivalent IV/4e. >Proposed Sec. 4.77(a) stated that ``[a]t least two recordings of >visual fields must be made'' for purposes of VA's disability >evaluations. We have learned from vision specialists that this is not >necessary and is not standard procedure, since the visual field outline >is determined by testing multiple objects along each meridian. >Therefore, we have removed the language requiring ``two recordings'' as >unnecessary. In conjunction with this change, we have also removed the >proposed statement that the confirmed visual fields must be made a part >of the examination report. Instead, we have stated in Sec. 4.77(a) >that in all cases, the results of visual field examinations must be >recorded on a standard Goldmann chart. We additionally require that the >Goldmann chart be included with the examination report. >Proposed Sec. 4.77(a) also said that the examination must be >supplemented by the use of a tangent screen when the examiner indicates >it is necessary. We have determined that a 30-degree threshold visual >field with the Goldmann III stimulus size could be used in lieu of a >tangent screen. This test provides information similar to the tangent >screen. For this reason, the final rule provides that adjudicators must >consider either of these two tests when additional testing of visual >fields becomes necessary, and requires that the examination report >include either the tracing of the tangent screen or the tracing of the >30-degree threshold visual field. >We made further nonsubstantive revisions to proposed Sec. 4.77(a), >(b), and (c) to improve clarity. > >Section 4.78 Muscle Function > >In proposed Sec. 4.78(b)(1), we provided guidance concerning the >evaluation of diplopia, and proposed that adjudicators assign an >evaluation for diplopia for only one eye. Further, we proposed that >where a claimant has both diplopia and decreased visual acuity or a >visual field defect, the corrected visual acuity for the poorer eye (or >the affected eye, if only one eye is service-connected) is deemed to >be, depending on the severity of the diplopia, between one and three >steps poorer, provided that the adjusted level of corrected visual >acuity does not exceed 5/200. Using the adjusted visual acuity for the >poorer eye (or the affected eye) and the corrected visual acuity for >the better eye, we proposed that the claimant's visual impairment be >evaluated under diagnostic codes 6064 through 6066. > >[[Page 66547]] > >Proposed diagnostic code 6064 refers to light perception only (LPO), >which exceeds a visual acuity level of 5/200. Hence, an evaluation >under diagnostic code 6064 is not permitted under Sec. 4.78(b). >Therefore, in Sec. 4.78(b)(1) we have omitted reference to diagnostic >code 6064. >We proposed not to retain in Sec. 4.78(b)(1) the rule from former >Sec. 4.77 (Examination of muscle function) which stated that >``[d]iplopia which is only occasional or correctable is not considered >a disability,'' since it pertains to the issue of service connection >rather than evaluation. Section 4.78(b)(1) addresses evaluation of >muscle function rather than service connection. One commenter stated >that this rule provides useful guidance to adjudicators considering >claims for service connection for diplopia. In response to this >comment, and because disease of or injury to one or more extraocular >eye muscles may cause diplopia which is occasional or correctable, >rather than including this language in Sec. 4.78(b)(1), we have added >a note under diagnostic code 6090 (diplopia) stating that in accordance >with 38 CFR 4.31, diplopia that is occasional or that is correctable >with spectacles is evaluated at 0 percent. This would clarify how to >evaluate diplopia with these characteristics. >In order to remove any doubt about the difference between Sec. >4.78(b)(2), which explains how to evaluate diplopia that is present in >more than one quadrant or range of degrees, and Sec. 4.78(b)(3), which >explains how to evaluate diplopia that exists in two separate areas of >the same eye, we have changed the language of Sec. 4.78(b)(2) from >``[w]hen diplopia is present in more than one quadrant,'' as proposed, >to ``[w]hen diplopia extends beyond more than one quadrant''. This is >similar to the language in the current rating schedule and will ensure >a clear distinction between these provisions. >We made nonsubstantive revisions to proposed Sec. 4.78 (a) and (b) >to improve clarity. > >Section 4.79 Schedule of Ratings--Eye > >We proposed to evaluate angle-closure glaucoma (diagnostic code >6012), which often presents as a red, painful eye, sometimes >accompanied by nausea and vomiting, either on the basis of visual >impairment or on the basis of incapacitating episodes, whichever >results in a higher evaluation. We proposed to evaluate open-angle >glaucoma (diagnostic code 6013), which generally presents as painless, >chronic, progressive loss of vision, solely on the basis of visual >impairment because open-angle glaucoma is unlikely to result in >incapacitating episodes. >One commenter questioned why angle-closure glaucoma based on >incapacitating episodes does not include a 10-percent evaluation for >incapacitating episodes of at least 1 week, but less than 2 weeks total >duration per year, when diagnostic codes 6000 through 6009 provide for >such an evaluation. Under the proposed rule, a minimum evaluation of 10 >percent would be assigned for angle-closure glaucoma if continuous >medication is required. In our view, virtually all claimants with >symptomatic angle-closure glaucoma would require continuous medication, >which would entitle them to a minimum 10-percent evaluation. Therefore, >we did not propose a 10-percent evaluation based on incapacitating >episodes. We make no change based upon this comment. >One commenter suggested that we evaluate both angle-closure and >open-angle glaucoma on the basis of visual field loss or central visual >acuity impairment, whichever results in a higher evaluation. Section >4.75(a) states that the evaluation of visual impairment is based on >impairment of visual acuity (excluding developmental errors of >refraction), visual field, and muscle function. All three elements of >visual impairment may be present in glaucoma, although visual field >loss is most common. Not only would the commenter's suggestion limit >the rating possibilities to two of the three elements of visual >impairment, it also would not allow for evaluation of angle-closure >glaucoma based on incapacitating episodes. Section 4.75(b) states that >eye examinations must be conducted by a licensed optometrist or >ophthalmologist, and such specialists are unlikely to overlook a visual >field defect or any other type of visual impairment in an individual >with glaucoma. In our judgment, allowing evaluation to be based on any >of the three elements of visual impairment or on incapacitating >episodes is a fair way to assess glaucoma and to assure that the >veteran is evaluated based on the disabling effects that provide the >higher benefit. We have therefore not adopted the commenter's >suggestion. >We proposed that certain eye disabilities be evaluated either on >visual impairment or on incapacitating episodes, whichever results in a >higher evaluation. We proposed to define an incapacitating episode as a >period of acute symptoms severe enough to require bed rest and >treatment by a physician or other healthcare provider. >One commenter suggested that the rating formula based on >incapacitating episodes--60 percent if there are incapacitating >episodes of at least 6 weeks total duration per year, 40 percent if >there are incapacitating episodes of at least 4 weeks, but less than 6 >weeks, total duration per year, etc.--is miserly because a veteran will >be compensated only for visual impairment or periods of incapacitation, >but not both, and with less than bedrest, the veteran receives nothing. >In most eye diseases, visual impairment will be the major problem >and therefore the more common basis of evaluation. With modern medical >and surgical treatment, few patients require bedrest of any duration >for eye disease. However, an evaluation based on incapacitating >episodes might be higher in those few cases in which bedrest might be >required, e.g., angle-closure glaucoma with severe pain, nausea, and >vomiting. If bedrest is not required, evaluation is based on visual >impairment. The evaluations based on visual impairment and those based >on incapacitating episodes are both meant to account for the average >occupational impairment. Providing alternative criteria allows the >rater to evaluate using the set of criteria more favorable to the >veteran. >The same commenter asked why there is a maximum evaluation of 60 >percent for incapacitating episodes. >As stated above, with modern medical and surgical treatment, very >few, if any, veterans will experience incapacitating episodes of more >than 6 weeks total duration per year due to eye disease. However, for >any who do, 38 CFR 4.16(a), which provides for a total evaluation based >on individual unemployability, and 38 CFR 3.321(b)(1), which provides >for extra-schedular evaluations in cases where an evaluation is >inadequate because the condition presents such an unusual disability >picture that applying the regular schedular standards would be >impractical, provide reasonable alternatives for assigning an >evaluation greater than 60 percent. In our judgment, the range of >evaluations we have provided based on incapacitating episodes of eye >disease will adequately compensate veterans, and a 100-percent >evaluation level based on incapacitating episodes is not warranted. >Conditions evaluated on the basis of incapacitating episodes are >entitled to a 60-percent evaluation when the claimant has experienced >at least 6 weeks of incapacitating episodes over the preceding 12 >months. One commenter suggested that, in some cases, an adjudicator >would not be able > >[[Page 66548]] > >to assign the maximum 60-percent evaluation until after the passage of >an entire year, and felt that evaluations based upon incapacitating >episodes should be retroactive to the date of the first incapacitating >episode, regardless of when it occurred. >By statute (38 U.S.C. 5110(a)), except as otherwise provided, the >effective date of an award of compensation will be fixed in accordance >with the facts but not before the date of receipt of the claim. >Furthermore, an award of increased compensation will be effective the >earliest date it is ascertainable that an increase in disability >occurred if application is received within 1 year of that date. 38 >U.S.C. 5110(b)(2). Otherwise, the effective date is the date the claim >was received. 38 CFR 3.400(o)(2). We are aware of no special provisions >that would apply to the evaluation of incapacitating episodes of the >eye. Under governing law, entitlement to a 60-percent rating would not >arise until 6 weeks of incapacitating episodes have taken place, and >the effective date could not be established before then. Once the >claimant has experienced 6 weeks of incapacitating episodes, the 60- >percent evaluation will be assigned, even if the evaluation occurs >within several months of the initial incapacitating episode. In cases >where it takes the entire 12-month period for a claimant to experience >6 weeks of incapacitating episodes, the 60-percent evaluation will be >assigned at that time. However, during the interim, a rating >corresponding to the total duration of incapacitating episodes already >experienced may be assigned. That is to say, once 1 week of >incapacitating episodes is experienced, a 10-percent rating may be >assigned; once 2 weeks of incapacitating episodes are experienced, a >20-percent rating may be assigned; etc. We make no change based on this >comment. >The proposed criteria based on incapacitating episodes referred to >the total duration of incapacitating episodes ``per year''. To clarify >that we mean during the preceding 12-month period, and not the calendar >year, we have changed this language to refer to incapacitating episodes >``during the past 12 months''. This language is consistent with other >provisions in the rating schedule that evaluate incapacitating episodes >(e.g., diagnostic code 5243, intervertebral disc syndrome, and >diagnostic code 7354, hepatitis C). We are also adding language to >indicate that bed rest must be prescribed by a physician to the notes >following diagnostic codes 6000 through 6009 and diagnostic code 6012 >of the rating schedule. This clarifies VA's intent in the proposed rule >and makes a nonsubstantive change for clarification purposes. >One commenter asked for clarification as to whether the absence of >light perception is to be evaluated as anatomical loss of one eye >(diagnostic code 6063) or light perception only (diagnostic code 6064). >Section 4.75(d) states that the evaluation for visual impairment of >one eye must not exceed 30-percent unless there is anatomical loss of >the eye. This is clear and straightforward and names no exceptions. >Therefore, in evaluating visual acuity of one eye, no light perception >is evaluated the same as light perception only. To avoid confusion, we >have revised the titles of diagnostic codes 6062 to ``No more than >light perception in both eyes'' and 6064 to ``No more than light >perception in one eye.'' >As previously discussed under one of the comments about diplopia, >we have added a note to diagnostic code 6090 stating that occasional or >correctable diplopia will be evaluated as 0-percent disabling. >One commenter asked that we clarify whether the use of an eye patch >for diplopia warrants special monthly compensation (SMC) (see 38 CFR >3.350) for loss or loss of use of an eye. Since the eye is present when >an eye patch is used for diplopia, SMC for loss of an eye is not >warranted. Visual impairment due to diplopia is determined without the >eye patch, and it could be at any level of severity, so SMC for loss of >use of an eye is also not warranted. The fact that the eye is not being >used when it is patched does not necessarily mean it cannot be used, >which would be required for loss of use. >We use the word ``alternatively'' instead of the proposed >``otherwise'' in diagnostic code 6011 for clarity and add ``if this >would result in a higher evaluation'' for further guidance. We use >similar language in diagnostic code 6081 for the same purpose. We >additionally edited the proposed criteria for evaluating malignant >neoplasms of the eyeball (diagnostic code 6014) for the sake of >clarity. >VA appreciates the comments submitted in response to the proposed >rule. Based on the rationale stated in the proposed rule and in this >document, the proposed rule is adopted as final with the changes noted. > >Unfunded Mandates > >The Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995 requires, at 2 U.S.C. >1532, that agencies prepare an assessment of anticipated costs and >benefits before issuing any rule that may result in the expenditure by >State, local, and tribal governments, in the aggregate, or by the >private sector, of $100 million or more (adjusted annually for >inflation) in any year. This final rule would have no such effect on >State, local, and tribal governments, or on the private sector. > >Paperwork Reduction Act > >This document contains no provisions constituting a collection of >information under the Paperwork Reduction Act (44 U.S.C. 3501-3521). > >Executive Order 12866 > >Executive Order 12866 directs agencies to assess all costs and >benefits of available regulatory alternatives and, when regulation is >necessary, to select regulatory approaches that maximize net benefits >(including potential economic, environmental, public health and safety, >and other advantages; distributive impacts; and equity). The Executive >Order classifies a ``significant regulatory action,'' requiring review >by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) unless OMB waives such >review, as any regulatory action that is likely to result in a rule >that may: (1) Have an annual effect on the economy of $100 million or >more or adversely affect in a material way the economy, a sector of the >economy, productivity, competition, jobs, the environment, public >health or safety, or State, local, or tribal governments or >communities; (2) create a serious inconsistency or otherwise interfere >with an action taken or planned by another agency; (3) materially alter >the budgetary impact of entitlements, grants, user fees, or loan >programs or the rights and obligations of recipients thereof; or (4) >raise novel legal or policy issues arising out of legal mandates, the >President's priorities, or the principles set forth in the Executive >Order. >The economic, interagency, budgetary, legal, and policy >implications of this final rule has been examined, and it has been >determined to be a significant regulatory action under the Executive >Order because it is likely to result in a rule that may raise novel >legal or policy issues arising out of legal mandates, the President's >priorities, or the principles set forth in the Executive Order. > >Regulatory Flexibility Act > >The Secretary hereby certifies that this final rule will not have a >significant economic impact on a substantial number of small entities >as they are defined in the Regulatory Flexibility Act, 5 U.S.C. 601- >612. This final rule would not affect any small entities. Only VA >beneficiaries could be directly > >[[Page 66549]] > >affected. Therefore, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 605(b), this final rule is >exempt from the initial and final regulatory flexibility analysis >requirements of sections 603 and 604. > >Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance Numbers and Titles > >The Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance program numbers and >titles are 64.104, Pension for Non-Service-Connected Disability for >Veterans, and 64.109, Veterans Compensation for Service-Connected >Disability. > >List of Subjects in 38 CFR Part 4 > >Disability benefits, Pensions, Veterans. > >Approved: August 6, 2008. >Gordon H. Mansfield, >Deputy Secretary of Veterans Affairs. > >0 >For the reasons set out in the preamble, 38 CFR part 4, subpart B, is >amended as set forth below: > >PART 4--SCHEDULE FOR RATING DISABILITIES > >0 >1. The authority citation for part 4 continues to read as follows: > >Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155, unless otherwise noted. > >Subpart B--Disability Ratings > >0 >2. Section 4.75 is revised to read as follows: > > >Sec. 4.75 General considerations for evaluating visual impairment. > >(a) Visual impairment. The evaluation of visual impairment is based >on impairment of visual acuity (excluding developmental errors of >refraction), visual field, and muscle function. >(b) Examination for visual impairment. The examination must be >conducted by a licensed optometrist or by a licensed ophthalmologist. >The examiner must identify the disease, injury, or other pathologic >process responsible for any visual impairment found. Examinations of >visual fields or muscle function will be conducted only when there is a >medical indication of disease or injury that may be associated with >visual field defect or impaired muscle function. Unless medically >contraindicated, the fundus must be examined with the claimant's pupils >dilated. >(c) Service-connected visual impairment of only one eye. Subject to >the provisions of 38 CFR 3.383(a), if visual impairment of only one eye >is service-connected, the visual acuity of the other eye will be >considered to be 20/40 for purposes of evaluating the service-connected >visual impairment. >(d) Maximum evaluation for visual impairment of one eye. The >evaluation for visual impairment of one eye must not exceed 30 percent >unless there is anatomical loss of the eye. Combine the evaluation for >visual impairment of one eye with evaluations for other disabilities of >the same eye that are not based on visual impairment (e.g., >disfigurement under diagnostic code 7800). >(e) Anatomical loss of one eye with inability to wear a prosthesis. >When the claimant has anatomical loss of one eye and is unable to wear >a prosthesis, increase the evaluation for visual acuity under >diagnostic code 6063 by 10 percent, but the maximum evaluation for >visual impairment of both eyes must not exceed 100 percent. A 10- >percent increase under this paragraph precludes an evaluation under >diagnostic code 7800 based on gross distortion or asymmetry of the eye >but not an evaluation under diagnostic code 7800 based on other >characteristics of disfigurement. >(f) Special monthly compensation. When evaluating visual >impairment, refer to 38 CFR 3.350 to determine whether the claimant may >be entitled to special monthly compensation. Footnotes in the schedule >indicate levels of visual impairment that potentially establish >entitlement to special monthly compensation; however, other levels of >visual impairment combined with disabilities of other body systems may >also establish entitlement. > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1114 and 1155) > > > >0 >3. Section 4.76 is revised to read as follows: > > >Sec. 4.76 Visual acuity. > >(a) Examination of visual acuity. Examination of visual acuity must >include the central uncorrected and corrected visual acuity for >distance and near vision using Snellen's test type or its equivalent. >(b) Evaluation of visual acuity. (1) Evaluate central visual acuity >on the basis of corrected distance vision with central fixation, even >if a central scotoma is present. However, when the lens required to >correct distance vision in the poorer eye differs by more than three >diopters from the lens required to correct distance vision in the >better eye (and the difference is not due to congenital or >developmental refractive error), and either the poorer eye or both eyes >are service connected, evaluate the visual acuity of the poorer eye >using either its uncorrected or corrected visual acuity, whichever >results in better combined visual acuity. >(2) Provided that he or she customarily wears contact lenses, >evaluate the visual acuity of any individual affected by a corneal >disorder that results in severe irregular astigmatism that can be >improved more by contact lenses than by eyeglass lenses, as corrected >by contact lenses. >(3) In any case where the examiner reports that there is a >difference equal to two or more scheduled steps between near and >distance corrected vision, with the near vision being worse, the >examination report must include at least two recordings of near and >distance corrected vision and an explanation of the reason for the >difference. In these cases, evaluate based on corrected distance vision >adjusted to one step poorer than measured. >(4) To evaluate the impairment of visual acuity where a claimant >has a reported visual acuity that is between two sequentially listed >visual acuities, use the visual acuity which permits the higher >evaluation. > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155) > > > >0 >4. In Sec. 4.76a, remove the introductory text, retain Table III-- >Normal Visual Field Extent at 8 Principal Meridians, retain Figure 1. >Chart of visual field showing normal field right eye and abnormal >contraction visual field left eye and the text and table following >Figure 1, and add an authority citation at the end of the section to >read as follows. > > >Sec. 4.76a Computation of average concentric contraction of visual >fields. > >* * * * * > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155) > > > >0 >5. Section 4.77 is amended by: >0 >a. Revising the section heading. >0 >b. Removing the introductory text and adding, in its place, paragraphs >(a), (b), and (c). >0 >c. Retaining Figure 2. Goldmann Perimeter Chart. >0 >d. Adding an authority citation at the end of the section. >The additions read as follows: > > >Sec. 4.77 Visual fields. > >(a) Examination of visual fields. Examiners must use either >Goldmann kinetic perimetry or automated perimetry using Humphrey Model >750, Octopus Model 101, or later versions of these perimetric devices >with simulated kinetic Goldmann testing capability. For phakic (normal) >individuals, as well as for pseudophakic or aphakic individuals who are >well adapted to intraocular lens implant or contact lens correction, >visual field examinations must be conducted using a standard target >size > >[[Page 66550]] > >and luminance, which is Goldmann's equivalent III/4e. For aphakic >individuals not well adapted to contact lens correction or pseudophakic >individuals not well adapted to intraocular lens implant, visual field >examinations must be conducted using Goldmann's equivalent IV/4e. In >all cases, the results must be recorded on a standard Goldmann chart >(see Figure 1), and the Goldmann chart must be included with the >examination report. The examiner must chart at least 16 meridians 22\1/ >2\ degrees apart for each eye and indicate the Goldmann equivalent >used. See Table III for the normal extent (in degrees) of the visual >fields at the 8 principal meridians (45 degrees apart). When the >examiner indicates that additional testing is necessary to evaluate >visual fields, the additional testing must be conducted using either a >tangent screen or a 30-degree threshold visual field with the Goldmann >III stimulus size. The examination report must then include the tracing >of either the tangent screen or of the 30-degree threshold visual field >with the Goldmann III stimulus size. >(b) Evaluation of visual fields. Determine the average concentric >contraction of the visual field of each eye by measuring the remaining >visual field (in degrees) at each of eight principal meridians 45 >degrees apart, adding them, and dividing the sum by eight. >(c) Combination of visual field defect and decreased visual acuity. >To determine the evaluation for visual impairment when both decreased >visual acuity and visual field defect are present in one or both eyes >and are service connected, separately evaluate the visual acuity and >visual field defect (expressed as a level of visual acuity), and >combine them under the provisions of Sec. 4.25. >* * * * * > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155) > > > >0 >6. Section 4.78 is revised to read as follows: > > >Sec. 4.78 Muscle function. > >(a) Examination of muscle function. The examiner must use a >Goldmann perimeter chart that identifies the four major quadrants >(upward, downward, left and right lateral) and the central field (20 >degrees or less) (see Figure 2). The examiner must chart the areas of >diplopia and include the plotted chart with the examination report. >(b) Evaluation of muscle function. (1) An evaluation for diplopia >will be assigned to only one eye. When a claimant has both diplopia and >decreased visual acuity or visual field defect, assign a level of >corrected visual acuity for the poorer eye (or the affected eye, if >disability of only one eye is service-connected) that is: one step >poorer than it would otherwise warrant if the evaluation for diplopia >under diagnostic code 6090 is 20/70 or 20/100; two steps poorer if the >evaluation under diagnostic code 6090 is 20/200 or 15/200; or three >steps poorer if the evaluation under diagnostic code 6090 is 5/200. >This adjusted level of corrected visual acuity, however, must not >exceed a level of 5/200. Use the adjusted visual acuity for the poorer >eye (or the affected eye, if disability of only one eye is service- >connected), and the corrected visual acuity for the better eye (or >visual acuity of 20/40 for the other eye, if only one eye is service- >connected) to determine the percentage evaluation for visual impairment >under diagnostic codes 6065 through 6066. >(2) When diplopia extends beyond more than one quadrant or range of >degrees, evaluate diplopia based on the quadrant and degree range that >provides the highest evaluation. >(3) When diplopia exists in two separate areas of the same eye, >increase the equivalent visual acuity under diagnostic code 6090 to the >next poorer level of visual acuity, not to exceed 5/200. > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155) > > > >0 >7. Section 4.79 is revised to read as follows: > > >Sec. 4.79 Schedule of ratings--eye. > >Diseases of the Eye >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Rating >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >6000 Choroidopathy, including uveitis, iritis, cyclitis, and >choroiditis. >6001 Keratopathy. >6002 Scleritis. >6006 Retinopathy or maculopathy. >6007 Intraocular hemorrhage. >6008 Detachment of retina. >6009 Unhealed eye injury. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >General Rating Formula for Diagnostic Codes 6000 through 6009 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Evaluate on the basis of either visual impairment due to >the particular condition or on incapacitating episodes, >whichever results in a higher evaluation. >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 60 >at least 6 weeks during the past 12 months.............. >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 40 >at least 4 weeks, but less than 6 weeks, during the past >12 months............................................... >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 20 >at least 2 weeks, but less than 4 weeks, during the past >12 months............................................... >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 10 >at least 1 week, but less than 2 weeks, during the past >12 months............................................... >Note: For VA purposes, an incapacitating episode is a period >of acute symptoms severe enough to require prescribed bed >rest and treatment by a physician or other healthcare >provider. >6010 Tuberculosis of eye: >Active................................................... 100 >Inactive: Evaluate under Sec. 4.88c or Sec. 4.89 of >this part, whichever is appropriate. >6011 Retinal scars, atrophy, or irregularities: >Localized scars, atrophy, or irregularities of the 10 >retina, unilateral or bilateral, that are centrally >located and that result in an irregular, duplicated, >enlarged, or diminished image........................... >Alternatively, evaluate based on visual impairment due to >retinal scars, atrophy, or irregularities, if this would >result in a higher evaluation. >6012 Angle-closure glaucoma: >Evaluate on the basis of either visual impairment due to >angle-closure glaucoma or incapacitating episodes, >whichever results in a higher evaluation. >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 60 >at least 6 weeks during the past 12 months.............. > >[[Page 66551]] > > >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 40 >at least 4 weeks, but less than 6 weeks, during the past >12 months............................................... >With incapacitating episodes having a total duration of 20 >at least 2 weeks, but less than 4 weeks, during the past >12 months............................................... >Minimum evaluation if continuous medication is required.. 10 >Note: For VA purposes, an incapacitating episode is a period >of acute symptoms severe enough to require prescribed bed >rest and treatment by a physician or other healthcare >provider. >6013 Open-angle glaucoma: >Evaluate based on visual impairment due to open-angle >glaucoma. >Minimum evaluation if continuous medication is required.. 10 >6014 Malignant neoplasms (eyeball only): >Malignant neoplasm of the eyeball that requires therapy 100 >that is comparable to that used for systemic >malignancies, i.e., systemic chemotherapy, X-ray therapy >more extensive than to the area of the eye, or surgery >more extensive than enucleation......................... >Note: Continue the 100-percent rating beyond the cessation of >any surgical, X-ray, antineoplastic chemotherapy or other >therapeutic procedure. Six months after discontinuance of >such treatment, the appropriate disability rating will be >determined by mandatory VA examination. Any change in >evaluation based upon that or any subsequent examination >will be subject to the provisions of Sec. 3.105(e) of this >chapter. If there has been no local recurrence or >metastasis, evaluate based on residuals. >Malignant neoplasm of the eyeball that does not require >therapy comparable to that for systemic malignancies: >Separately evaluate visual impairment and nonvisual >impairment, e.g., disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800), >and combine the evaluations. >6015 Benign neoplasms (of eyeball and adnexa): >Separately evaluate visual impairment and nonvisual >impairment, e.g., disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800), >and combine the evaluations. >6016 Nystagmus, central...................................... 10 >6017 Trachomatous conjunctivitis: >Active: Evaluate based on visual impairment, minimum..... 30 >Inactive: Evaluate based on residuals, such as visual >impairment and disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800). >6018 Chronic conjunctivitis (nontrachomatous): >Active (with objective findings, such as red, thick 10 >conjunctivae, mucous secretion, etc.)................... >Inactive: Evaluate based on residuals, such as visual >impairment and disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800). >6019 Ptosis, unilateral or bilateral: >Evaluate based on visual impairment or, in the absence of >visual impairment, on disfigurement (diagnostic code >7800). >6020 Ectropion: >Bilateral................................................ 20 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >6021 Entropion: >Bilateral................................................ 20 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >6022 Lagophthalmos: >Bilateral................................................ 20 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >6023 Loss of eyebrows, complete, unilateral or bilateral..... 10 >6024 Loss of eyelashes, complete, unilateral or bilateral.... 10 >6025 Disorders of the lacrimal apparatus (epiphora, >dacryocystitis, etc.): >Bilateral................................................ 20 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >6026 Optic neuropathy: >Evaluate based on visual impairment. >6027 Cataract of any type: >Preoperative: >Evaluate based on visual impairment. >Postoperative: >If a replacement lens is present (pseudophakia), evaluate >based on visual impairment. If there is no replacement >lens, evaluate based on aphakia. >6029 Aphakia or dislocation of crystalline lens: >Evaluate based on visual impairment, and elevate the >resulting level of visual impairment one step. >Minimum (unilateral or bilateral)........................ 30 >6030 Paralysis of accommodation (due to neuropathy of the 20 >Oculomotor Nerve (cranial nerve III)). >6032 Loss of eyelids, partial or complete: >Separately evaluate both visual impairment due to eyelid >loss and nonvisual impairment, e.g., disfigurement >(diagnostic code 7800), and combine the evaluations. >6034 Pterygium: >Evaluate based on visual impairment, disfigurement >(diagnostic code 7800), conjunctivitis (diagnostic code >6018), etc., depending on the particular findings. >6035 Keratoconus: >Evaluate based on impairment of visual acuity. >6036 Status post corneal transplant: >Evaluate based on visual impairment. >Minimum, if there is pain, photophobia, and glare 10 >sensitivity............................................. >6037 Pinguecula: >Evaluate based on disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800). >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[[Page 66552]] > > >Impairment of Central Visual Acuity >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >6061 Anatomical loss of both eyes \1\........................ 100 >6062 No more than light perception in both eyes \1\.......... 100 >6063 Anatomical loss of one eye: \1\ >In the other eye 5/200 (1.5/60).......................... 100 >In the other eye 10/200 (3/60)........................... 90 >In the other eye 15/200 (4.5/60)......................... 80 >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 60 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 50 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 40 >6064 No more than light perception in one eye: \1\ >In the other eye 5/200 (1.5/60).......................... 100 >In the other eye 10/200 (3/60)........................... 90 >In the other eye 15/200 (4.5/60)......................... 80 >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 50 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 40 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 30 >6065 Vision in one eye 5/200 (1.5/60): >In the other eye 5/200 (1.5/60).......................... \1\100 >In the other eye 10/200 (3/60)........................... 90 >In the other eye 15/200 (4.5/60)......................... 80 >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 50 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 40 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 30 >6066 Visual acuity in one eye 10/200 (3/60) or better: >Vision in one eye 10/200 (3/60): >In the other eye 10/200 (3/60)........................... 90 >In the other eye 15/200 (4.5/60)......................... 80 >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 50 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 40 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 30 >Vision in one eye 15/200 (4.5/60): >In the other eye 15/200 (4.5/60)......................... 80 >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 40 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 30 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 20 >Vision in one eye 20/200 (6/60): >In the other eye 20/200 (6/60)........................... 70 >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 60 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 40 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 30 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 20 >Vision in one eye 20/100 (6/30): >In the other eye 20/100 (6/30)........................... 50 >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 30 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 20 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 10 >Vision in one eye 20/70 (6/21): >In the other eye 20/70 (6/21)............................ 30 >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 20 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 10 >Vision in one eye 20/50 (6/15): >In the other eye 20/50 (6/15)............................ 10 >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 10 >Vision in one eye 20/40 (6/12): >In the other eye 20/40 (6/12)............................ 0 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >\1\ Review for entitlement to special monthly compensation under 38 CFR >3.350. > > >[[Page 66553]] > > >Ratings for Impairment of Visual Fields >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Rating >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >6080 Visual field defects: >Homonymous hemianopsia................................... 30 >Loss of temporal half of visual field: >Bilateral................................................ 30 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/70 (6/21)............ >Loss of nasal half of visual field: >Bilateral................................................ 10 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/50 (6/15)............ >Loss of inferior half of visual field: >Bilateral................................................ 30 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/70 (6/21)............ >Loss of superior half of visual field: >Bilateral................................................ 10 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/50 (6/15)............ >Concentric contraction of visual field: >With remaining field of 5 degrees: \1\ >Bilateral................................................ 100 >Unilateral............................................... 30 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 5/200 (1.5/60).......... >With remaining field of 6 to 15 degrees: >Bilateral................................................ 70 >Unilateral............................................... 20 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/200 (6/60)........... >With remaining field of 16 to 30 degrees: >Bilateral................................................ 50 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/100 (6/30)........... >With remaining field of 31 to 45 degrees: >Bilateral................................................ 30 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/70 (6/21)............ >With remaining field of 46 to 60 degrees: >Bilateral................................................ 10 >Unilateral............................................... 10 >Or evaluate each affected eye as 20/50 (6/15)............ >6081 Scotoma, unilateral: >Minimum, with scotoma affecting at least one-quarter of 10 >the visual field (quadrantanopsia) or with centrally >located scotoma of any size............................. >Alternatively, evaluate based on visual impairment due to >scotoma, if that would result in a higher evaluation.... >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >\1\ Review for entitlement to special monthly compensation under 38 CFR >3.350. > > >Ratings for Impairment of Muscle Function >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Equivalent >Degree of diplopia visual acuity >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >6090 Diplopia (double vision): >(a) Central 20 degrees........................... 5/200 (1.5/60) >(b) 21 degrees to 30 degrees >(1) Down..................................... 15/200 (4.5/60) >(2) Lateral.................................. 20/100 (6/30) >(3) Up....................................... 20/70 (6/21) >(c) 31 degrees to 40 degrees >(1) Down..................................... 20/200 (6/60) >(2) Lateral.................................. 20/70 (6/21) >(3) Up....................................... 20/40 (6/12) >Note: In accordance with 38 CFR 4.31, diplopia that >is occasional or that is correctable with spectacles >is evaluated at 0 percent. >6091 Symblepharon: >Evaluate based on visual impairment, >lagophthalmos (diagnostic code 6022), >disfigurement (diagnostic code 7800), etc., >depending on the particular findings. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >[[Page 66554]] > > >(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 1155) > > >Sec. Sec. 4.80, 4.83, and 4.84 [Removed and Reserved] > >0 >8. Sections 4.80, 4.83, and 4.84 are removed and reserved. > > >Sec. Sec. 4.83a and 4.84a [Removed] > >0 >9. Sections 4.83a and 4.84a are removed. > >[FR Doc. E8-26304 Filed 11-7-08; 8:45 am] > >BILLING CODE 8320-01-P From b75205 at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 17:04:54 2008 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:04:54 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] BAR/BRI Accommodations In-Reply-To: <40E519F5C83B4C7D8933B68056882EC9@noneeb869fea9a> References: <40E519F5C83B4C7D8933B68056882EC9@noneeb869fea9a> Message-ID: Apple will always have a disability as far as accessibility is concerned. Their platform for coding text is different than Windows Based machines and since most accessibility devices and software are on the Windows platform, they have a fundamental problem with their software that cannot be overcome easily. Also in general apple products rely on the person being able to see to use their accessibility features, somewhere along the line you have to see an instruction. Hence I advise people to avoid Apple products. James G. Pepper On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 5:31 AM, john wrote: > Hello All, > I received the BAR/BRI course on CD because the IPOD was inaccessible, so > that was a great option for me. I think they might be getting away from the > CD package as much as they can due to costs and of course for the fear that > the lectures might be copied. > Take care, > John > > > John Ramsey Esq. > > Gainesville, FL 32609 > > Phone: (352) 505-6642 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From dallasfortworthlawyer at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 22:23:16 2008 From: dallasfortworthlawyer at yahoo.com (Cameron Gray) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:23:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds Message-ID: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com>   If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cameron Gray To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM Subject: service refused at McDonalds Listmates: I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers.  When she tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT".  Needless to say this was a very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a physician since it happened.  She has trouble sleeping and problems with anxiety. At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case.  However, the prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired.  No injunctive relief needed.  Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in state court?  An assault perhaps?  Problem is that the manager never touched her.  Any comments will be appreciated. Cameron Gray, Attorney at Law Grand Prairie, Texas   If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 00:21:58 2008 From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:21:58 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds In-Reply-To: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Intentional infliction of emotional distress? Negligent infliction of emotional distress? Negligence--breach of duty of care imposed by violation of statute? -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Gray Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:23 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds   If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cameron Gray To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM Subject: service refused at McDonalds Listmates: I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers.  When she tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT".  Needless to say this was a very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a physician since it happened.  She has trouble sleeping and problems with anxiety. At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case.  However, the prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired.  No injunctive relief needed.  Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in state court?  An assault perhaps?  Problem is that the manager never touched her.  Any comments will be appreciated. Cameron Gray, Attorney at Law Grand Prairie, Texas   If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com From mikefry79 at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 00:38:52 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:38:52 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds In-Reply-To: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811111638r70ba9e59t55f7039eff251313@mail.gmail.com> *I think, sue McDonald's under a theory of Respondeat superior for Negligent Infliction of Emotional Distress, or there are probably analogous state provisions to 42 USC s 1983 that may be applicable to discrimination against the disabled.* ** *Common law criminal assault is fear of an unwanted touching, no physical contact is necessary. The elements of civil assault in Texas case law probably does not require physical contact. I think it's doubtful that physical contact is necessary to maintain a civil suit for assault. * * * On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Cameron Gray < dallasfortworthlawyer at yahoo.com> wrote: > > > If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should > we serve? - John Adams > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Cameron Gray > To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM > Subject: service refused at McDonalds > > > Listmates: > I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt > that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When she > tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept > saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was a > very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a > physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with > anxiety. > At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, the > prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No > injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in > state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never touched > her. Any comments will be appreciated. > Cameron Gray, > Attorney at Law > Grand Prairie, Texas > > If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should > we serve? - John Adams > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From roddj12 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 00:43:43 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:43:43 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Intentional or negligent infliction of emotional distress? Intentional, the allegation would be that she was humiliated in public, and such conduct was extreme and outrageous, which caused her to have to obtain medical treatment follwing the incident. These are weak theories, though. For negligent, you would have to prove that she suffered some type of manifestation of physical impact, in addition to the emotional distress. Look at the law in your jurisdiction to see how much physical impact is required. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Gray" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cameron Gray To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM Subject: service refused at McDonalds Listmates: I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When she tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was a very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with anxiety. At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, the prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never touched her. Any comments will be appreciated. Cameron Gray, Attorney at Law Grand Prairie, Texas If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com From roddj12 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 00:46:24 2008 From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:46:24 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8c58e54a0811111638r70ba9e59t55f7039eff251313@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There is no evidence to support assault under either a criminal theory or a civil one in this situation. She was not in fear of anything. Rod Alcidonis Criminal Defense Clinic Student Attorney Juris Doctor Candidate, 2009. Roger Williams University School of Law 10 Metacom Ave., Box: 9003 Bristol, RI 02809 Cell: 718-704-4651 Home: 401-824-8685 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Fry" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds > *I think, sue McDonald's under a theory of Respondeat superior for > Negligent > Infliction of Emotional Distress, or there are probably analogous state > provisions to 42 USC s 1983 that may be applicable to discrimination > against > the disabled.* > ** > *Common law criminal assault is fear of an unwanted touching, no physical > contact is necessary. The elements of civil assault in Texas case law > probably does not require physical contact. I think it's doubtful that > physical contact is necessary to maintain a civil suit for assault. * > * * > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Cameron Gray < > dallasfortworthlawyer at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom >> should >> we serve? - John Adams >> >> >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> From: Cameron Gray >> To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM >> Subject: service refused at McDonalds >> >> >> Listmates: >> I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager >> felt >> that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When >> she >> tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept >> saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was >> a >> very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care >> of a >> physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with >> anxiety. >> At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, >> the >> prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No >> injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue >> in >> state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never >> touched >> her. Any comments will be appreciated. >> Cameron Gray, >> Attorney at Law >> Grand Prairie, Texas >> >> If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom >> should >> we serve? - John Adams >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/roddj12%40hotmail.com > From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 12 01:12:27 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:12:27 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds In-Reply-To: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8BC18A01C8974193B9DD061275841ECD@spike> My impression is that your client was still damaged, she is having nightmares, anxiety, etc. possible PTSD symptoms. She still experienced damage as a result of the incident is requiring doctor's care, etc. The firing of the manager and an apology don't mitigate the emotional distress and pain and suffering that she has undergone. Additionally, are there state civil rights laws in Texas or specific laws governing the use of service animals. Here in California in addition to the ADA we have state laws that also address this issue as well. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Gray" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cameron Gray To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM Subject: service refused at McDonalds Listmates: I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When she tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was a very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with anxiety. At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, the prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never touched her. Any comments will be appreciated. Cameron Gray, Attorney at Law Grand Prairie, Texas If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From langlois2 at verizon.net Wed Nov 12 03:16:57 2008 From: langlois2 at verizon.net (BRIAN LANGLOIS) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:16:57 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not Message-ID: <005801c94475$1f1e1f60$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Hello, All, I'm interested in information regarding a possible action by lender Sallie Mae who said that they have the ability to garnish SSDI to recover funds for student loans. My guess is that they do have the authority to attach a portion of disability benefits if the balance is in default. I appreciate any information. Thanks! Brian Langlois Brian J. Langlois (978) 857-7126 Haverhill, MA USA From RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com Wed Nov 12 03:22:18 2008 From: RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com (Ray Wayne) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:22:18 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c94475$de1d62e0$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> I just settled a case involving a well-known fast food chain, which will remain nameless. We are requiring them to pay the Complainant $1,000, and a civil penalty (which is permitted under the NYC Human Rights Law of $5,000 to the City. Further, and perhaps most important, we are requiring that they circulate a written policy to all employees at any of their stores throughout New York City stating that blind and other disabled people are entitled to full access with their guide dogs or other service animals. All employees will have to sign a statement indicating that they have read and understand the policy. If you have any questions, contact me off list. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Gray" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Cameron Gray To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM Subject: service refused at McDonalds Listmates: I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When she tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was a very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of a physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with anxiety. At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, the prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never touched her. Any comments will be appreciated. Cameron Gray, Attorney at Law Grand Prairie, Texas If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should we serve? - John Adams _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 12 09:44:54 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:44:54 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not In-Reply-To: <005801c94475$1f1e1f60$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <005801c94475$1f1e1f60$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <0B26E75EE24240AFAA8C2B2E57C31502@spike> SSDI payments are not exempt from judgments as compared to SSI payments which are judgment proof. At least this is my general understanding. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRIAN LANGLOIS" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not > Hello, All, > I'm interested in information regarding a possible action by lender Sallie > Mae who said that they have the ability to garnish SSDI to recover funds > for > student loans. > My guess is that they do have the authority to attach a portion of > disability benefits if the balance is in default. > I appreciate any information. > Thanks! > Brian Langlois > > Brian J. Langlois > (978) 857-7126 > Haverhill, MA USA > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From clucas at disabilitypride.com Wed Nov 12 14:27:33 2008 From: clucas at disabilitypride.com (clucas at disabilitypride.com) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:27:33 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not In-Reply-To: <0B26E75EE24240AFAA8C2B2E57C31502@spike> References: <005801c94475$1f1e1f60$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com><0B26E75EE24240AFAA8C2B2E57C31502@spike> Message-ID: <617047158-1226500063-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2026423321-@bxe160.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> The S.Ct. ruled a few years ago that social security payments could be garnished. I think it was in 2005 and it was a 9th Circuit case. Not only can they garnish social security payments, but you cannot discharge the loans in bankruptcy. However you do have other options to make payments affordable. If you have more than one loan you can consolidate them, you can get an economic hardship deferrment or forebearance, or you can choose the income contigent payment plan. -----Original Message----- From: "Charles Krugman" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:44:54 To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not SSDI payments are not exempt from judgments as compared to SSI payments which are judgment proof. At least this is my general understanding. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRIAN LANGLOIS" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not > Hello, All, > I'm interested in information regarding a possible action by lender Sallie > Mae who said that they have the ability to garnish SSDI to recover funds > for > student loans. > My guess is that they do have the authority to attach a portion of > disability benefits if the balance is in default. > I appreciate any information. > Thanks! > Brian Langlois > > Brian J. Langlois > (978) 857-7126 > Haverhill, MA USA > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/clucas%40disabilitypride.com From mikefry79 at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 16:23:02 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:23:02 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds In-Reply-To: <002f01c94475$de1d62e0$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> References: <85651.20870.qm@web57612.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <002f01c94475$de1d62e0$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811120823s43c0ed79g9ca49b537ecf7b64@mail.gmail.com> Congratulations, Ray. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Ray Wayne wrote: > I just settled a case involving a well-known fast food chain, which will > remain nameless. We are requiring them to pay the Complainant $1,000, and > a > civil penalty (which is permitted under the NYC Human Rights Law of $5,000 > to the City. > Further, and perhaps most important, we are requiring that they circulate a > written policy to all employees at any of their stores throughout New York > City stating that blind and other disabled people are entitled to full > access with their guide dogs or other service animals. All employees will > have to sign a statement indicating that they have read and understand the > policy. > If you have any questions, contact me off list. > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cameron Gray" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:23 PM > Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: service refused at McDonalds > > > > > If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom > should > we serve? - John Adams > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Cameron Gray > To: Blinglaw at nfbnet.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:20:49 PM > Subject: service refused at McDonalds > > > Listmates: > I have a client who was asked to leave a McDonalds because the manager felt > that her dog was too big and a possible threat to other customers. When she > tried to explain that her dog was trained and licensed, the manager kept > saying in a loud voice "OUT OUT OUT, GET OUT". Needless to say this was a > very traumatic experience for my client and she has been under the care of > a > physician since it happened. She has trouble sleeping and problems with > anxiety. > At first impression this seemed to be an ADA, Title II case. However, the > prospective defendant has apologized and the manager has been fired. No > injunctive relief needed. Can anyone help me with a viable theory to sue in > state court? An assault perhaps? Problem is that the manager never touched > her. Any comments will be appreciated. > Cameron Gray, > Attorney at Law > Grand Prairie, Texas > > If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind, then whom should > we serve? - John Adams > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From mtarley at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 21:03:43 2008 From: mtarley at gmail.com (M T) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:03:43 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance Message-ID: Hi All, I have a client who has been injured at work in a slip and fall and is now considered permanently disabled. She sustained a pretty severe back injury and is currently receiving benefits from her former employer under Workman's comp. However, she is now working for a different employer due to the fact that she was no longer able to continue doing her previous line of work, (she was a chef) and the insurance carrier for her current employer refuses to accept her b/c she is under workman's comp. Does anyone know of any case law on point for this particular issue. I am located in Ga. so if anyone knows of laws on point or has litigated a case similar I would appreciate any advice you could give. Thanks. Michelle -- Michelle Tarley, Esq. Attorney At Law "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" -- Helen Keller From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 21:17:29 2008 From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:17:29 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> I am not sure that we have all the facts. When you say she is still receiving benefits, does that mean her workers comp case is still open? If it is, any prospective employer's concern is whether the condition will worsen; put another way, a prospective employer is asking--what kind of liability am I buying. The case is different if she is, what we call in California permanent and stationary. That means she probably won't get any worse, and it means that her workers comp case has been settled. If that is true the issue is reasonable accommodation; after engaging in the interactive process required under the ADA, is there a job she can do? If she can work with reasonable accommodation and an employer refuses to employer her, then the ADA has been violated. Respectfully, Russell J. Thomas, Jr. THOMAS & ASSOCIATES Orange County Office 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 Newport Beach, California 92660 T: (949) 752-0101 F: (949) 257-4756 M: (949) 466-7238 Beverly Hills Office 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 Beverly Hills, California 90210 T: (310) 461-3561 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of M T Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:04 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance Hi All, I have a client who has been injured at work in a slip and fall and is now considered permanently disabled. She sustained a pretty severe back injury and is currently receiving benefits from her former employer under Workman's comp. However, she is now working for a different employer due to the fact that she was no longer able to continue doing her previous line of work, (she was a chef) and the insurance carrier for her current employer refuses to accept her b/c she is under workman's comp. Does anyone know of any case law on point for this particular issue. I am located in Ga. so if anyone knows of laws on point or has litigated a case similar I would appreciate any advice you could give. Thanks. Michelle -- Michelle Tarley, Esq. Attorney At Law "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" -- Helen Keller _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com From mtarley at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 21:56:39 2008 From: mtarley at gmail.com (M T) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:56:39 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance In-Reply-To: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> References: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> Message-ID: Her case is still open because she is under a dr's care and going to physical therapy, which is all being paid for by her previous employer. However, when the business was bought by someone else, the insurance carrier switched and she is is unable to get regular insurance provided by her new employer. But she is still receiving care for her injuries resulting from the slip in fall. Thanks for the input. I hope this clears a little of the vagueness up. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Russell J. Thomas, Jr wrote: > I am not sure that we have all the facts. > > When you say she is still receiving benefits, does that mean her workers > comp case is still open? If it is, any prospective employer's concern is > whether the condition will worsen; put another way, a prospective employer > is asking--what kind of liability am I buying. > > The case is different if she is, what we call in California permanent and > stationary. That means she probably won't get any worse, and it means that > her workers comp case has been settled. > > If that is true the issue is reasonable accommodation; after engaging in the > interactive process required under the ADA, is there a job she can do? If > she can work with reasonable accommodation and an employer refuses to > employer her, then the ADA has been violated. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Russell J. Thomas, Jr. > > THOMAS & ASSOCIATES > > Orange County Office > > 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 > > Newport Beach, California 92660 > > T: (949) 752-0101 > > F: (949) 257-4756 > > M: (949) 466-7238 > > Beverly Hills Office > > 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 > > Beverly Hills, California 90210 > > T: (310) 461-3561 > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of M T > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:04 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance > > Hi All, > I have a client who has been injured at work in a slip and fall and is > now considered permanently disabled. She sustained a pretty severe > back injury and is currently receiving benefits from her former > employer under Workman's comp. However, she is now working for a > different employer due to the fact that she was no longer able to > continue doing her previous line of work, (she was a chef) and the > insurance carrier for her current employer refuses to accept her b/c > she is under workman's comp. Does anyone know of any case law on point > for this particular issue. I am located in Ga. so if anyone knows of > laws on point or has litigated a case similar I would appreciate any > advice you could give. Thanks. > > Michelle > -- > Michelle Tarley, Esq. > Attorney At Law > > "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" > -- Helen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mtarley%40gmail.com > -- Michelle Tarley, Esq. Attorney At Law "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" -- Helen Keller From b75205 at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 22:21:34 2008 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:21:34 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance In-Reply-To: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> References: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> Message-ID: in Georgia do they have a risk pool. I think kaiers is the administrator. In Texas we have a risk pool which is bloody expensive but it is there. What are the qualifications to get on the risk pool. James G. Pepper On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Russell J. Thomas, Jr wrote: > I am not sure that we have all the facts. > > When you say she is still receiving benefits, does that mean her workers > comp case is still open? If it is, any prospective employer's concern is > whether the condition will worsen; put another way, a prospective employer > is asking--what kind of liability am I buying. > > The case is different if she is, what we call in California permanent and > stationary. That means she probably won't get any worse, and it means that > her workers comp case has been settled. > > If that is true the issue is reasonable accommodation; after engaging in > the > interactive process required under the ADA, is there a job she can do? If > she can work with reasonable accommodation and an employer refuses to > employer her, then the ADA has been violated. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Russell J. Thomas, Jr. > > THOMAS & ASSOCIATES > > Orange County Office > > 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 > > Newport Beach, California 92660 > > T: (949) 752-0101 > > F: (949) 257-4756 > > M: (949) 466-7238 > > Beverly Hills Office > > 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 > > Beverly Hills, California 90210 > > T: (310) 461-3561 > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of M T > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:04 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance > > Hi All, > I have a client who has been injured at work in a slip and fall and is > now considered permanently disabled. She sustained a pretty severe > back injury and is currently receiving benefits from her former > employer under Workman's comp. However, she is now working for a > different employer due to the fact that she was no longer able to > continue doing her previous line of work, (she was a chef) and the > insurance carrier for her current employer refuses to accept her b/c > she is under workman's comp. Does anyone know of any case law on point > for this particular issue. I am located in Ga. so if anyone knows of > laws on point or has litigated a case similar I would appreciate any > advice you could give. Thanks. > > Michelle > -- > Michelle Tarley, Esq. > Attorney At Law > > "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" > -- Helen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 23:37:41 2008 From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:37:41 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c9450c$127d5ea0$6901a8c0@RThomas> Message-ID: <000c01c9451f$a81b3d70$6901a8c0@RThomas> The issue then, is she employable right now, or does she need further care to become employable? Normally, an employee will not be permitted to return to work without a note from a physician clearing the employee to return to work. In the alternative, the employee could be cleared to return to work with medical restrictions. Then the question would become -- can the employee be returned to a job that would permit her to work within those restrictions? Respectfully, Russell J. Thomas, Jr. THOMAS & ASSOCIATES Orange County Office 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 Newport Beach, California 92660 T: (949) 752-0101 F: (949) 257-4756 M: (949) 466-7238 Beverly Hills Office 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 Beverly Hills, California 90210 T: (310) 461-3561 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of M T Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:57 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Need some assistance Her case is still open because she is under a dr's care and going to physical therapy, which is all being paid for by her previous employer. However, when the business was bought by someone else, the insurance carrier switched and she is is unable to get regular insurance provided by her new employer. But she is still receiving care for her injuries resulting from the slip in fall. Thanks for the input. I hope this clears a little of the vagueness up. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Russell J. Thomas, Jr wrote: > I am not sure that we have all the facts. > > When you say she is still receiving benefits, does that mean her workers > comp case is still open? If it is, any prospective employer's concern is > whether the condition will worsen; put another way, a prospective employer > is asking--what kind of liability am I buying. > > The case is different if she is, what we call in California permanent and > stationary. That means she probably won't get any worse, and it means that > her workers comp case has been settled. > > If that is true the issue is reasonable accommodation; after engaging in the > interactive process required under the ADA, is there a job she can do? If > she can work with reasonable accommodation and an employer refuses to > employer her, then the ADA has been violated. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Russell J. Thomas, Jr. > > THOMAS & ASSOCIATES > > Orange County Office > > 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 > > Newport Beach, California 92660 > > T: (949) 752-0101 > > F: (949) 257-4756 > > M: (949) 466-7238 > > Beverly Hills Office > > 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 > > Beverly Hills, California 90210 > > T: (310) 461-3561 > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of M T > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:04 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] Need some assistance > > Hi All, > I have a client who has been injured at work in a slip and fall and is > now considered permanently disabled. She sustained a pretty severe > back injury and is currently receiving benefits from her former > employer under Workman's comp. However, she is now working for a > different employer due to the fact that she was no longer able to > continue doing her previous line of work, (she was a chef) and the > insurance carrier for her current employer refuses to accept her b/c > she is under workman's comp. Does anyone know of any case law on point > for this particular issue. I am located in Ga. so if anyone knows of > laws on point or has litigated a case similar I would appreciate any > advice you could give. Thanks. > > Michelle > -- > Michelle Tarley, Esq. > Attorney At Law > > "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" > -- Helen Keller > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mtarley%40gmail.co m > -- Michelle Tarley, Esq. Attorney At Law "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing" -- Helen Keller _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com From RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com Thu Nov 13 00:20:35 2008 From: RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com (Ray Wayne) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:20:35 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? Message-ID: <000c01c94525$a644c100$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Can anyone help Christine, whose questions I am forwarding? I know a lot of you work with track changes, and I have never taken on the task of figuring it out. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Grassman To: Ray Wayne Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? I've reviewed the forwards. I didn't find info on how I can actually accept, reject, or edit the revisions. In the screen version, there are apparently a left arrow and right arrow to take you backwards or forwards through proposed changes, a blue checkmark to accept, and a red X to reject. I can't find these. Also, I want to know how to delete all the commentary. I'm told a pop-up should come up if you"hover your mouse over the comment and right-click" -- which, of course, I can't do. Could you forward this with my e-mail address and ask if folks could help me out with the intracacies of working with track changes? I've got Word 2003 and JAWS 9. Thanks for your help, Ray. Christine P.S. I'm carbon-copying some other "in the know" Federationists who might be able to help, but it seems the lawyers work with this a great deal, and I just don't have the time to add myself to another emial list! From rfarber at jw.com Thu Nov 13 02:32:14 2008 From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:32:14 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? In-Reply-To: <000c01c94525$a644c100$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> References: <000c01c94525$a644c100$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F106C94906@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Ray - I work with track changes in Word 2003. Here are a few items that can help Christine. She can call me at the office tomorrow and I can hopefully answer any additional questions. See phone numbers below. CTRL-SHIFT-E when in a Word document will toggle track changes on and off. JAWS will tell you whether it is on or off. With track changes on, Word will automatically mark deletions and insertions in a document. JAWS tells me when I am entering and leaving changes. You need the REVIEWING toolbar to accept and reject changes. To turn on the toolbar, follow these steps: Alt-V to open the VIEW menu T to go to the toolbars v arrow down to the reviewing toolbar and press enter Once the reviewing toolbar is on then you can go to it and select the appropriate button or other selections on the toolbar. To get to the toolbar press ALT to get to the menu bar CTRL-TAB will then move you through the different toolbars that are open. When I get to my REVIEWING toolbar, JAWS says Display for Review You can move through the REVIEWING Toolbar by using either the TAB or the arrow keys. JAWS will tell you Previous - Go to the previous change Next - Go to the next change Accept - Accept the change Reject - Reject the change To delete the comments, I think you have to be our of track changes and then search for them and delete them individually. Randy Randal S. Farber Jackson Walker L.L.P. 1401 McKinney, Suite 1900 Houston, Texas 77010 713-752-4241 - Phone 713-308-4120 - Fax RFarber at JW.Com -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Wayne Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:21 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? Can anyone help Christine, whose questions I am forwarding? I know a lot of you work with track changes, and I have never taken on the task of figuring it out. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Grassman To: Ray Wayne Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? I've reviewed the forwards. I didn't find info on how I can actually accept, reject, or edit the revisions. In the screen version, there are apparently a left arrow and right arrow to take you backwards or forwards through proposed changes, a blue checkmark to accept, and a red X to reject. I can't find these. Also, I want to know how to delete all the commentary. I'm told a pop-up should come up if you"hover your mouse over the comment and right-click" -- which, of course, I can't do. Could you forward this with my e-mail address and ask if folks could help me out with the intracacies of working with track changes? I've got Word 2003 and JAWS 9. Thanks for your help, Ray. Christine P.S. I'm carbon-copying some other "in the know" Federationists who might be able to help, but it seems the lawyers work with this a great deal, and I just don't have the time to add myself to another emial list! _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.c om -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Farber, Randal S .vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 427 bytes Desc: Farber, Randal S .vcf URL: From rfarber at jw.com Thu Nov 13 02:52:06 2008 From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:52:06 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? In-Reply-To: <000c01c94525$a644c100$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> References: <000c01c94525$a644c100$13560e62@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: <8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F106C9490E@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com> Ray - I work with track changes in Word 2003. Here are a few items that can help Christine. She can call me at the office tomorrow and I can hopefully answer any additional questions. See phone numbers below. CTRL-SHIFT-E when in a Word document will toggle track changes on and off. JAWS will tell you whether it is on or off. With track changes on, Word will automatically mark deletions and insertions in a document. JAWS tells me when I am entering and leaving changes. You need the REVIEWING toolbar to accept and reject changes. To turn on the toolbar, follow these steps: Alt-V to open the VIEW menu T to go to the toolbars v arrow down to the reviewing toolbar and press enter Once the reviewing toolbar is on then you can go to it and select the appropriate button or other selections on the toolbar. To get to the toolbar press ALT to get to the menu bar CTRL-TAB will then move you through the different toolbars that are open. When I get to my REVIEWING toolbar, JAWS says Display for Review You can move through the REVIEWING Toolbar by using either the TAB or the arrow keys. JAWS will tell you Previous - Go to the previous change Next - Go to the next change Accept - Accept the change Reject - Reject the change To delete the comments, I think you have to be our of track changes and then search for them and delete them individually. Randy Randal S. Farber Jackson Walker L.L.P. 1401 McKinney, Suite 1900 Houston, Texas 77010 713-752-4241 - Phone 713-308-4120 - Fax RFarber at JW.Com -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ray Wayne Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:21 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? Can anyone help Christine, whose questions I am forwarding? I know a lot of you work with track changes, and I have never taken on the task of figuring it out. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Grassman To: Ray Wayne Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Ray, could you do me a huge favor? I've reviewed the forwards. I didn't find info on how I can actually accept, reject, or edit the revisions. In the screen version, there are apparently a left arrow and right arrow to take you backwards or forwards through proposed changes, a blue checkmark to accept, and a red X to reject. I can't find these. Also, I want to know how to delete all the commentary. I'm told a pop-up should come up if you"hover your mouse over the comment and right-click" -- which, of course, I can't do. Could you forward this with my e-mail address and ask if folks could help me out with the intracacies of working with track changes? I've got Word 2003 and JAWS 9. Thanks for your help, Ray. Christine P.S. I'm carbon-copying some other "in the know" Federationists who might be able to help, but it seems the lawyers work with this a great deal, and I just don't have the time to add myself to another emial list! _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.c om -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Farber, Randal S .vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 427 bytes Desc: Farber, Randal S .vcf URL: From langlois2 at verizon.net Thu Nov 13 02:58:33 2008 From: langlois2 at verizon.net (BRIAN LANGLOIS) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:58:33 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not References: <005801c94475$1f1e1f60$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <0B26E75EE24240AFAA8C2B2E57C31502@spike> Message-ID: <000801c9453b$b7a990e0$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Yes indeed, thank you. I checked further on the web and found that SSDI can be garnished. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Krugman" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:44 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not > SSDI payments are not exempt from judgments as compared to SSI payments > which are judgment proof. At least this is my general understanding. > Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BRIAN LANGLOIS" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:16 PM > Subject: [blindlaw] Judgement proof or not > > > > Hello, All, > > I'm interested in information regarding a possible action by lender Sallie > > Mae who said that they have the ability to garnish SSDI to recover funds > > for > > student loans. > > My guess is that they do have the authority to attach a portion of > > disability benefits if the balance is in default. > > I appreciate any information. > > Thanks! > > Brian Langlois > > > > Brian J. Langlois > > (978) 857-7126 > > Haverhill, MA USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob al.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/langlois2%40verizo n.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1783 - Release Date: 11/12/08 10:01 AM > > From claviet at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 02:14:47 2008 From: claviet at gmail.com (Toni Clavie) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:14:47 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Study aids follow-up question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71E163A0F475473DA534EA8E04065773@Toshiyo> Hi, Are you referring to the flash card series published by aspen? They have a program that has the Emanuel outlines and as well as the Law in a Flash series. The web address is http://www.aspenlaw.com The application is called the AspenLaw Studydesk. There is a trial version you can use to see if it's what you're looking for. I hope this was helpful! Toni Clavie J.D. Candidate, 2011, Florida A&M University College of Law -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces+claviet=gmail.com at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces+claviet=gmail.com at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:23 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Study aids follow-up question James or anyone else on this list: Can you tell me again where you found the "Law in a Flash" electronic flashcards? I've done a search on Google, on Amazon, and www.legalbookstore.com and have found the "law in a Flash" series, but I believe they are referring to books (it didn't say software specifically). Has anyone heard of or tried the Quizzer software that's based on Gilbert's Law Summaries? It has all of the classes I'm taking and sounds like something I could really use. However, since things are tight for me, I hate to spend money on something that won't work. Any information at all would be helpful. Thanks. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw/claviet%40gmail.com From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 14 03:30:52 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:30:52 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Study aids follow-up question In-Reply-To: <71E163A0F475473DA534EA8E04065773@Toshiyo> References: <71E163A0F475473DA534EA8E04065773@Toshiyo> Message-ID: <50A036EE-4192-4281-B306-6E02A09BC70A@sbcglobal.net> That would be it in a modern version I suppose. I'm ten years out of date. On Nov 13, 2008, at 6:14 PM, Toni Clavie wrote: > Hi, > Are you referring to the flash card series published by aspen? > > They have a program that has the Emanuel outlines and as well as the > Law in > a Flash series. > The web address is > http://www.aspenlaw.com > The application is called the AspenLaw Studydesk. > There is a trial version you can use to see if it's what you're > looking for. > > I hope this was helpful! > > > Toni Clavie > > J.D. Candidate, 2011, > Florida A&M University College of Law > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces+claviet=gmail.com at nfbnet.org > [mailto:blindlaw-bounces+claviet=gmail.com at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Leslie > Fairall > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:23 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Study aids follow-up question > > James or anyone else on this list: > > Can you tell me again where you found the "Law in a Flash" electronic > flashcards? I've done a search on Google, on Amazon, and > www.legalbookstore.com and have found the "law in a Flash" series, > but I > believe they are referring to books (it didn't say software > specifically). > Has anyone heard of or tried the Quizzer software that's based on > Gilbert's Law Summaries? It has all of the classes I'm taking and > sounds > like something I could really use. However, since things are tight > for me, > I hate to spend money on something that won't work. Any information > at all > would be helpful. Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw/claviet%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From fairall at shellworld.net Fri Nov 14 12:05:32 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:05:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Study aids follow-up question In-Reply-To: <71E163A0F475473DA534EA8E04065773@Toshiyo> References: <71E163A0F475473DA534EA8E04065773@Toshiyo> Message-ID: I was able to find Most of the "Law in a Flash" series on CD used from Barnes and Noble. It took some playing around, but I figured out how to make it work with Jaws. Since it is old, I'm wondering if Aspen Studydesk or any other electronic study aid is accessible? I know Thompson West puts out Quizzer, which is keyed to three or four casebooks in each subject, but don't how accessible it is. "Law in A Flash" will work for the midterm next Friday though. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Nov 14 16:24:24 2008 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:24:24 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Director of Disability Rights in D.C. Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: ESD GP GCDE-INFO [mailto:GCDE-INFO at ESD.WA.GOV] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:15 PM To: GCDE-INFO at LISTSERV.WA.GOV Subject: FW: [leadership] FW: Job Announcement in D.C. Job opening in Washington, DC Director - Office of Disability Rights Application Deadline: Monday, December 8, 2008 Mayor Adrian Fenty is dramatically improving city services in the District of Columbia and making these services more accessible to residents with disabilities. To accomplish this, he continues to recruit exceptional leaders and is now seeking a Director for the Office of Disability Rights (ODR). The ideal ODR Director views public service as "customer service" and will combine energy, achievement, and the ability to attract and motivate other exceptional people to produce targeted results. Innovative backgrounds and clarity of vision will set candidates apart, as will strong communication and advocacy skills. The Office of Disability Rights (ODR) is a cabinet-level agency established by the Disability Rights Protection Act of 2006, a culmination of collaborations between organizations in the disability community and the DC Council. 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Salary and Residency Requirement The Director of the Office of Disability Rights is an E3 employee with a salary range of $100,848- $151,081. The incumbent must be a resident of the District of Columbia or be willing to become a resident within six months of his/her appointment. Application Instructions Interested candidates should forward a resume and cover letter via email to inessa.lurye at dc.gov by December 8, 2008. list end block quote block quote Applications may also be forwarded to: Executive Office of the Mayor Office of the City Administrator Attn: Inessa Lurye 1350 Pennsylvania Ave., NW, Suite 533 Washington, DC 20004 From fairall at shellworld.net Fri Nov 14 22:46:13 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:46:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Message-ID: I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks. From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 14 23:47:18 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:47:18 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will submit your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic reader. Again, good luck. James On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: > I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will > need to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type > the essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I > would give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people > who will be using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and > will upload their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who > have taken the bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you > took the California bar, that's even better but all responses are > welcome. Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Nov 15 00:58:57 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:58:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Were you required to use ExamSoft, James? If so, how did it work for you? I did not know that your exam could be provided in electronic format now. I thought the formats were large print, Braille, or a reader. How did you fill in the bubble sheet for your multiple choice questions? I've normally used a Braille exam and a reader to fill in my answers. If there is now a way to do this independently, that's even better! From everett at zufelt.ca Sat Nov 15 01:24:40 2008 From: everett at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:24:40 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations References: Message-ID: <000a01c946c0$eed0b450$0a02a8c0@everett704e491> Good evening, I didn't take a barr exam, but here are the accommodations that I was granted for the LSAT. 1. A reader / transcriber for all of the questions. a. I was able to work with the reader before the LSAT and had the option to reject the reder and request a new reader. 2. For the logic portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop to work through the questions. 3. for the writing portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop and saved my answer on a memory stick provided by the reader. I didn't do amazingly well, but I didn't pay a single dollar for the first year of law school, so things must of gone well enough. Not to mention I had the flu on the day I wrote the LSAT and had to blow my nose every 20 minutes. HTH, Everett ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisberg" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish > you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to > avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when > it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your > accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your > adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will submit > your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me > diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should > contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in > electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to > discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic > reader. Again, good luck. > > James > On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: > >> I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need >> to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the >> essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would >> give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be >> using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload >> their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the >> bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California >> bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.ca > From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 15 01:52:53 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:52:53 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> You can request the exam in electronic format. The Bar goes on about the requirement of using examsoft but when it came down to it they decided to just provide diskettes to me. Multiple choice is another matter. I don't know about electronic format. But for the mulitstate bar exam which is also multiple choice, it is provided in cassette format if requested. Perhaps the Cal Bar will do the same?? You will need a scribe to input your answers into the spaces. Providing only braille, large print or a reader does not afford accommodation for those who use adaptive equipment for various reasons. They are required to allow you to use your Pac Mate if it is required adaptive equipment. A final and MOST important caveat: IF YOU HAVE A READER FOR ANY REASON, REQUEST AND INSIST YOU HAVE SOMEONE FROM DOR TEST THIS INDIVIDUAL'S ABILITY TO READ A BAR QUESTION CORRECTLY IN ONE PASS! The Bar will not test the people they hire for reading competency so if you don't have someone test them with an old exam question you are rolling the dice. Good Luck. PS - Also demand extra time on the exam!!! It takes longer to read with your fingers or using adaptive equipment. On Nov 14, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: > Were you required to use ExamSoft, James? If so, how did it work for > you? I did not know that your exam could be provided in electronic > format now. I thought the formats were large print, Braille, or a > reader. How did you fill in the bubble sheet for your multiple > choice questions? I've normally used a Braille exam and a reader to > fill in my answers. If there is now a way to do this independently, > that's even better! > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From jsorozco at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 03:10:35 2008 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:10:35 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up In-Reply-To: <000a01c946c0$eed0b450$0a02a8c0@everett704e491> Message-ID: <0D1B01038D91414298A1C0AB63694DB0@MonkeyPaw> Everett, A laptop accommodation? I had such an accommodation for the GRE, but I've heard so many horror stories of dealing with the LSAC that I thought a Perkins was going to be the extent of my additional tools. Did you have someone else note the accommodation on their evaluation, or did you get away with noting it on your own general form? Thank you in advance. Joe Orozco "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M. Barrie -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Good evening, I didn't take a barr exam, but here are the accommodations that I was granted for the LSAT. 1. A reader / transcriber for all of the questions. a. I was able to work with the reader before the LSAT and had the option to reject the reder and request a new reader. 2. For the logic portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop to work through the questions. 3. for the writing portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop and saved my answer on a memory stick provided by the reader. I didn't do amazingly well, but I didn't pay a single dollar for the first year of law school, so things must of gone well enough. Not to mention I had the flu on the day I wrote the LSAT and had to blow my nose every 20 minutes. HTH, Everett ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisberg" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish > you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to > avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when > it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your > accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your > adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will submit > your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me > diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should > contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in > electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to > discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic > reader. Again, good luck. > > James > On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: > >> I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need >> to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the >> essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would >> give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be >> using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload >> their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the >> bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California >> bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%4 0sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.c a > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsorozco%40gmail.c om From timandvickie at hotmail.com Sat Nov 15 03:41:15 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:41:15 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up In-Reply-To: <0D1B01038D91414298A1C0AB63694DB0@MonkeyPaw> References: <000a01c946c0$eed0b450$0a02a8c0@everett704e491> <0D1B01038D91414298A1C0AB63694DB0@MonkeyPaw> Message-ID: Ya daeling with the LSAC so far sucks as far as I am concerned. Having to dig up SAT scores and stuff for tests i took 10 years ago and stuff. I told my doctor everything i was requesting on my own form so that he could not it on his as well. My doctor was lat submitting my papers to LSAC tough by one day so I had to bump back my testing day til February for the LSAT whihc will put me last in line for law school admissions. They told me in the letter notifying me that they recieved my papers to late to contac them to let hem knwo if i was my accomodations to be considered for the next testing date and I did and I really dont see the point of contacting them because their response says I have to redo all the paperwork anyway so why didnt I jsut do that why did I have tot tell them? lol. They made it soudn like theyd jsut review the papers I had submitted towards the next test date instead.> From: jsorozco at gmail.com> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:10:35 -0500> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up> > Everett,> > A laptop accommodation? I had such an accommodation for the GRE, but I've> heard so many horror stories of dealing with the LSAC that I thought a> Perkins was going to be the extent of my additional tools. Did you have> someone else note the accommodation on their evaluation, or did you get away> with noting it on your own general form? Thank you in advance.> > Joe Orozco> > "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.> Barrie> -----Original Message-----> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On> Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 PM> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations> > Good evening,> > I didn't take a barr exam, but here are the accommodations that I was> granted for the LSAT.> > 1. A reader / transcriber for all of the questions.> a. I was able to work with the reader before the LSAT and had the option to> reject the reder and request a new reader.> > 2. For the logic portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop> to work through the questions.> > 3. for the writing portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop> and saved my answer on a memory stick provided by the reader.> > I didn't do amazingly well, but I didn't pay a single dollar for the first> year of law school, so things must of gone well enough. Not to mention I> had the flu on the day I wrote the LSAT and had to blow my nose every 20> minutes.> > HTH,> Everett> > > ----- Original Message -----> From: "James Weisberg" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:47 PM> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations> > > > Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish > > you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to > > avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when > > it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your > > accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your > > adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will submit> > > your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me > > diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should > > contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in > > electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to > > discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic > > reader. Again, good luck.> >> > James> > On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote:> >> >> I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need > >> to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the > >> essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would > >> give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be > >> using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload > >> their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the > >> bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California > >> bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks.> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> blindlaw mailing list> >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw:> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%4> 0sbcglobal.net> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw:> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.c> a> > > > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsorozco%40gmail.c> om> > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Nov 15 03:58:20 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:58:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Hi James: Are you saying that only the essay portion is in electronic format? I hope not. If I can get the whole exam in electronic format, I will request it along with a scribe to fill in my answers. I plan on asking for extra time. I'm a pretty fast Braille reader, but may need to use extra time on the essays. However, I'm speaking from inexperience here, having never written an essay under timed conditions before. I can usually make the time limit for multiple choice questions though. That does bring up another question. For those of you who took the bar or a test like the FYLSE, did you need extra time to write your essays? Thanks for all responses and input. From cjborne at comcast.net Sat Nov 15 04:47:11 2008 From: cjborne at comcast.net (Craig Borne) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:47:11 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <00d901c946dd$39306740$6700a8c0@computer> In Maryland, I had double time for the 12 essays, which were given to me electronically. For the multi-states, I also had double time, but it was read to me by a reader/scribe. She did an excellent job. If you go this route, I would suggest finding out the name and number of the reader and practice a little with him/her. I did, and I felt much better going into the exam because it was not an unknown quantity. Craig Craig Borne, Esq. Baltimore, Maryland "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:58 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Hi James: Are you saying that only the essay portion is in electronic format? I hope not. If I can get the whole exam in electronic format, I will request it along with a scribe to fill in my answers. I plan on asking for extra time. I'm a pretty fast Braille reader, but may need to use extra time on the essays. However, I'm speaking from inexperience here, having never written an essay under timed conditions before. I can usually make the time limit for multiple choice questions though. That does bring up another question. For those of you who took the bar or a test like the FYLSE, did you need extra time to write your essays? Thanks for all responses and input. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjborne%40comcast. net From everett at zufelt.ca Sat Nov 15 05:05:03 2008 From: everett at zufelt.ca (E.J. Zufelt) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:05:03 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up References: <0D1B01038D91414298A1C0AB63694DB0@MonkeyPaw> Message-ID: <002601c946df$bb40b080$0a02a8c0@everett704e491> Good evening Joe, After hearing all of the horror stories I was a bit nervous when applying for an LSAC accommodation. However, I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to get my accommodation. 1. I applied for the LSAC. 2. I took the accommodation forms to an optomotrist, I haven't had my own optholmologist in a few years. 3. I told the generic optomotrist what accommodations I needed. He thought it was reasonable and approved it on the form. 4. I sent in the form and within 2 weeks I was approved. The only difficulty I ran into was that they wanted me to go to an LSAT testing centre that was in another state (actually another country). I wanted to take the test in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada. They suggested somewhere in the state of Maine. So, I contacted the University of New Brunswick's Student Accessibility Centre. Once I confirmed that they would work with the testing program at the University campus in Fredericton to provide a reader I contacted LSAC again and they very quickly changed my testing location to Fredericton, the location I had originally requested. HTH, Everett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:10 PM Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up > Everett, > > A laptop accommodation? I had such an accommodation for the GRE, but I've > heard so many horror stories of dealing with the LSAC that I thought a > Perkins was going to be the extent of my additional tools. Did you have > someone else note the accommodation on their evaluation, or did you get > away > with noting it on your own general form? Thank you in advance. > > Joe Orozco > > "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James > M. > Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > > Good evening, > > I didn't take a barr exam, but here are the accommodations that I was > granted for the LSAT. > > 1. A reader / transcriber for all of the questions. > a. I was able to work with the reader before the LSAT and had the option > to > reject the reder and request a new reader. > > 2. For the logic portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop > to work through the questions. > > 3. for the writing portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal > laptop > and saved my answer on a memory stick provided by the reader. > > I didn't do amazingly well, but I didn't pay a single dollar for the first > year of law school, so things must of gone well enough. Not to mention I > had the flu on the day I wrote the LSAT and had to blow my nose every 20 > minutes. > > HTH, > Everett > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Weisberg" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > > >> Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish >> you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to >> avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when >> it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your >> accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your >> adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will >> submit > >> your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me >> diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should >> contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in >> electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to >> discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic >> reader. Again, good luck. >> >> James >> On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: >> >>> I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need >>> to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the >>> essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would >>> give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be >>> using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload >>> their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the >>> bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California >>> bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%4 > 0sbcglobal.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.c > a >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsorozco%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.ca From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 15 05:06:59 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:06:59 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <6D03925E-6AFC-40B5-8868-7BE7E4D6E92F@sbcglobal.net> ask for extra time for everything!!!!! Why not? I am not certain about the extent to which the exam is in electronic format but you can be sure you can get the essay questions in electronic format. I suggest you find some old essay questions and practice answering them under timed conditions considering your lack of experience in these situations. On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: > Hi James: > > Are you saying that only the essay portion is in electronic format? > I hope not. If I can get the whole exam in electronic format, I will > request it along with a scribe to fill in my answers. I plan on > asking for extra time. I'm a pretty fast Braille reader, but may > need to use extra time on the essays. However, I'm speaking from > inexperience here, having never written an essay under timed > conditions before. I can usually make the time limit for multiple > choice questions though. That does bring up another question. For > those of you who took the bar or a test like the FYLSE, did you need > extra time to write your essays? Thanks for all responses and input. > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 15 05:24:13 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:24:13 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: <00d901c946dd$39306740$6700a8c0@computer> References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> <00d901c946dd$39306740$6700a8c0@computer> Message-ID: I would be shocked if Cal Bar will release the name or anything else concerning your prospective reader/scribe. Way too paranoid about the prospect for cheating. On Nov 14, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Craig Borne wrote: > In Maryland, I had double time for the 12 essays, which were given > to me > electronically. For the multi-states, I also had double time, but > it was > read to me by a reader/scribe. She did an excellent job. If you go > this > route, I would suggest finding out the name and number of the reader > and > practice a little with him/her. I did, and I felt much better going > into > the exam because it was not an unknown quantity. > > Craig > > Craig Borne, Esq. > Baltimore, Maryland > "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial > appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in > defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw- > bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Leslie Fairall > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:58 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > > Hi James: > > Are you saying that only the essay portion is in electronic format? > I hope > not. If I can get the whole exam in electronic format, I will > request it > along with a scribe to fill in my answers. I plan on asking for extra > time. I'm a pretty fast Braille reader, but may need to use extra > time on > the essays. However, I'm speaking from inexperience here, having never > written an essay under timed conditions before. I can usually make the > time limit for multiple choice questions though. That does bring up > another question. For those of you who took the bar or a test like the > FYLSE, did you need extra time to write your essays? Thanks for all > responses and input. > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjborne%40comcast > . > net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%40sbcglobal.net From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Nov 15 05:40:07 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:40:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> <00d901c946dd$39306740$6700a8c0@computer> Message-ID: Hi Craig: How were your answers to the essays submitted? did you use a laptop and submit them on a disk? From joramsey at cox.net Sat Nov 15 06:36:29 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:36:29 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <18D0DDE14F8E4CEB93E5675686F41F3E@noneeb869fea9a> Hello Leslie, I was granted extra time on the Florida bar on both parts. I asked for this as part of my accommodations. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:58 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Hi James: Are you saying that only the essay portion is in electronic format? I hope not. If I can get the whole exam in electronic format, I will request it along with a scribe to fill in my answers. I plan on asking for extra time. I'm a pretty fast Braille reader, but may need to use extra time on the essays. However, I'm speaking from inexperience here, having never written an essay under timed conditions before. I can usually make the time limit for multiple choice questions though. That does bring up another question. For those of you who took the bar or a test like the FYLSE, did you need extra time to write your essays? Thanks for all responses and input. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM From joramsey at cox.net Sat Nov 15 06:40:08 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:40:08 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Again, Here in Florida, I was allowed to use my laptop and submit the essays on disk however the laptop had to contain nothing more than windows and word (basically) and the board of bar examiners examined it religiously and kept it away from me the night prior to the exam. I provided my answers on disk. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:40 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Hi Craig: How were your answers to the essays submitted? did you use a laptop and submit them on a disk? _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM From fairall at shellworld.net Sat Nov 15 15:59:41 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:59:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John: How did you handle the multiple choice questions? Did you get the test in braille, electronic format, or use a reader? It would be nice if blind people could just type our multiple choic answers instead of using a scribe. But to my knowledge, that's never been done before. My main concern is being allowed to use my Pac Mate. If I call it a "Braille laptop (since they understand what a laptop does), I run the risk of them asking me to use ExamSoft. If I tell them I need to use a Braille notetaker, I run the risk of them denying me because they won't know what a notetaker is. From cjborne at comcast.net Sat Nov 15 16:48:58 2008 From: cjborne at comcast.net (Craig Borne) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:48:58 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net><00d901c946dd$39306740$6700a8c0@computer> Message-ID: <000901c94742$0e60ac40$6700a8c0@computer> Yes, I used a laptop, and the Board provided the essay questions and any other materials (statutes, etc.) on a disk. I typed up my answers and saved it on the original disk. Craig Craig Borne, Esq. Baltimore, Maryland "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:40 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Hi Craig: How were your answers to the essays submitted? did you use a laptop and submit them on a disk? _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjborne%40comcast. net From joramsey at cox.net Sat Nov 15 16:55:23 2008 From: joramsey at cox.net (john) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:55:23 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <98EB693FDCF14761BB9CE2233CE7A6FC@noneeb869fea9a> I was able to use my laptop without examsoft because at the time examsoft was incompatible with JFW and they did not want to get involved with trying to get around that argument. I also had the dean of my law school send a letter saying that I was never required to use examsoft. As for the multiple choice, I definitely had to use the reader and scribe method. I have never heard of anyone receiving electronic versions of the multiple choice either. Take care, John John Ramsey Esq. Gainesville, FL 32609 Phone: (352) 505-6642 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Fairall Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:00 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations Hi John: How did you handle the multiple choice questions? Did you get the test in braille, electronic format, or use a reader? It would be nice if blind people could just type our multiple choic answers instead of using a scribe. But to my knowledge, that's never been done before. My main concern is being allowed to use my Pac Mate. If I call it a "Braille laptop (since they understand what a laptop does), I run the risk of them asking me to use ExamSoft. If I tell them I need to use a Braille notetaker, I run the risk of them denying me because they won't know what a notetaker is. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joramsey%40cox.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1790 - Release Date: 11/15/2008 9:32 AM From mpeskoe at insightbb.com Sat Nov 15 16:56:54 2008 From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:56:54 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Looking for MB\a's or MBA Students Message-ID: I have been asked to circulate the following: Dave Hello, my name is Melanie Peskoe. I am from Louisville, Kentucky and I will be starting an MBA program soon. I would like to connect with other NFB members who either have their MBA, or are pursuing an MBA. I specifically would like to find out about general MBA program structure and what alternative techniques you've used in and out of the classroom. I'd like to know also, in day to day work, what computer programs, charts, graphs, etc. do you encounter and how do you access them. I would be interested in finding a group of people to either start a list or meet during the convention next year. Please feel free to email me at mpeskoe at insightbb.com. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration. Sincerely, Melanie Peskoe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail24.dat Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 15 19:31:36 2008 From: goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net (Sarah Clark) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:31:36 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up References: <0D1B01038D91414298A1C0AB63694DB0@MonkeyPaw> Message-ID: <006e01c94758$c8aaa310$6701a8c0@computer2> Hi Joe, When I took the LSAT I requested and was given permission to use my laptop both for the writing sample and for notetaking during the other sections of the test. My physician requested it, and I also listed it on my form. I don't know what weight this information carries, but someone at LSAC did tell me that they tend to listen to the accomodation requests from doctors. Use of a laptop wasn't granted initially when I alone requested it, but I appealed it and simply provided a letter from my doctor and at that point it was approved. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Acommodation Follow-up > Everett, > > A laptop accommodation? I had such an accommodation for the GRE, but I've > heard so many horror stories of dealing with the LSAC that I thought a > Perkins was going to be the extent of my additional tools. Did you have > someone else note the accommodation on their evaluation, or did you get > away > with noting it on your own general form? Thank you in advance. > > Joe Orozco > > "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James > M. > Barrie > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of E.J. Zufelt > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > > Good evening, > > I didn't take a barr exam, but here are the accommodations that I was > granted for the LSAT. > > 1. A reader / transcriber for all of the questions. > a. I was able to work with the reader before the LSAT and had the option > to > reject the reder and request a new reader. > > 2. For the logic portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal laptop > to work through the questions. > > 3. for the writing portion of the LSAT I was able to use my personal > laptop > and saved my answer on a memory stick provided by the reader. > > I didn't do amazingly well, but I didn't pay a single dollar for the first > year of law school, so things must of gone well enough. Not to mention I > had the flu on the day I wrote the LSAT and had to blow my nose every 20 > minutes. > > HTH, > Everett > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Weisberg" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations > > >> Testing accommodations from the Cal Bar? Enjoy the experience, I wish >> you luck. Some advice: submit your request as early as possible to >> avoid the tired technique of providing your accommodation letter when >> it's too close to exam time to appeal their decision. Make part of your >> accommodation request the need to use the Pac Mate as "part of" your >> adaptive equipment. This way they have to figure out how you will >> submit > >> your answers. I used a laptop and JAWS and the Bar provided me >> diskettes. One final caveat, sometime prior to the exam you should >> contact someone by phone to confirm your materials will be available in >> electronic format (If necessary) so you don't show up on day one to >> discover there are no materials as requested but instead a dyslexic >> reader. Again, good luck. >> >> James >> On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Leslie Fairall wrote: >> >>> I will be taking the first Year Law Exam next year (2009) and will need >>> to apply for testing accommodations soon. I would like to type the >>> essays using my Pac Mate. What I'm trying to figure out is how I would >>> give them to the examiner when I'm finished. Sighted people who will be >>> using laptops use a software program called ExamSoft and will upload >>> their answers. I'm interested in hearing from people who have taken the >>> bar exam with either a notetaker or laptop. If you took the California >>> bar, that's even better but all responses are welcome. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweisberggroup%4 > 0sbcglobal.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/everett%40zufelt.c > a >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsorozco%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/goldflash9%40sbcglobal.net From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Sun Nov 16 00:16:58 2008 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:16:58 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> <6D03925E-6AFC-40B5-8868-7BE7E4D6E92F@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1CD1223DDD4442E9983603FD546DA06E@valtd> When I took the LSAT five years ago, I got all the exams in Braille per my request. I had a Scrybe who marked my answers on the answer sheet. The Scrybe also re-read the questions to me when I needed to MAKE COMPARISONS BETWEEN THE PRINT COPY OF THE EXAM AND MY BRAILLE COPY. She was a MAGNIFICENT reader and I hope I can get her again when I rewrite the test again some time next year. Although I DID NOT finish the test in the allotted time, I scored 145 on the test; I never MADE IT TO THE ESSAY portion of the test. I DID NOT get into a law school because I had ALLOWED SO MUCH TIME to elapse before applying to a law school. Now, I am CONSIDERING A CERTIFICATE PROGRAM in Paralegal Studies and hope to begin in the Spring semester. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From fairall at shellworld.net Sun Nov 16 01:39:48 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:39:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Testing accommodations In-Reply-To: <1CD1223DDD4442E9983603FD546DA06E@valtd> References: <41869DF5-7519-4B42-B1F3-0398811D5064@sbcglobal.net> <6D03925E-6AFC-40B5-8868-7BE7E4D6E92F@sbcglobal.net> <1CD1223DDD4442E9983603FD546DA06E@valtd> Message-ID: If law school is still your goal, you might want to consider Concord Law School, which is entirely online and does not require the LSAT to be admitted. Let me know if you have any questions. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Nov 18 18:17:03 2008 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:17:03 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Education Department issues loan repayment regulations, ABA Washington Letter, November 2008 Message-ID: Since many on this list are practicing for public interest or governments, I thought the below article would be of interest. Link: http://www.abanet.org/poladv/wl/08nov/#no7 Text: Education Department issues loan repayment regulations The Department of Education issued final regulations Oct. 23 to implement P.L. 110-84 (H.R. 2669), a new law that provides, among other things, student loan forgiveness and repayment options for those who accept low-paying public interest employment, including legal positions. The new law, enacted in September 2007, provides for cancellation of loans under the William Ford Direct Loan program for borrowers who make 120 monthly payments on those loans while employed in qualifying public service positions. The act also allows those in public interest positions to consolidate other qualifying federal student loans into the direct loan programs for the purposes of pursuing loan forgiveness. In addition, borrowers can opt for the Ford program's income-contingent repayment option and, by July 2009, for a more generous income-based repayment option that caps a borrower's monthly payments at an affordable percentage of his or her net income. "We believe that these changes provide vital tools necessary to bridge a gap between growing demands on the public sector in the delivery of critical services and the increasing insurmountable inability of higher education graduates with substantial student loan debt loans to be able to afford to take these usually lower-paying positions," ABA Governmental Affairs Director Thomas M. Susman wrote in a letter to the Education Department commenting on the regulations when they were proposed last summer. According to the regulation announcement, most of the 1,700 comments received by the Education Department addressed the public service loan forgiveness program and came from law schools, law students, legal aid centers, clinics and associations, public interest attorneys and public defenders. In response to some of the comments, including those from the ABA, the regulations clarified that October 1, 2007, was the effective date for the beginning of the public service loan forgiveness program and that the law requires that qualifying payments must be made while the borrower is providing the qualifying full-time service. The department will develop a form for borrowers to use to apply for the public service loan forgiveness program that will include an employer certification section and instructions regarding supporting documentation. For the purposes of the program, the regulations set "full-time" to mean 30 hours per week or as an employer prescribes, whichever is longer. They also clarified that persons working part-time but otherwise qualifying could aggregate their hours to meet the 30-hour full-time threshold. In addition, the department included intergovernmental or public regional agencies in the definition of "government" in the regulations. The department also will be developing regulations for P.L. 110-315 (H.R. 4137), a Higher Education Act reauthorization bill signed by the president Aug. 14 that includes the following four new loan forgiveness and repayment programs to benefit public interest lawyers. The John R. Justice Prosecutors and Defenders Incentive Act. Offers state and local prosecutors and public defenders $10,000 per year in exchange for a one-time renewable three-year commitment. The Legal Assistance Loan Repayment Program. Provides civil legal assistance lawyers with $6,000 per year in renewable three-year contracts up to $40,000; Loan Forgiveness for Service in Areas of National Need. Provides no more than $2,000 per year for five years to public sector employees that include those in public interest legal services such as prosecutors, public defenders, or legal advocates in low-income communities at non-profit organizations. Perkins Loan Cancellation for Public Service. Includes a percentage of loan cancellation based on years of service for persons in specified public service jobs that include federal public defenders and community defenders. With the exception of the John R. Justice program, P.L. 110-315 prevents those benefiting from one loan forgiveness/repayment program from also benefiting from another, including the programs under P.L. 110-84. From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 18:25:18 2008 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:25:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] blind attorney in D.C./Northern Virginia metro area Message-ID: <677757.13110.qm@web90303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello.   I've heard about this list and finally found out how to join.   I am an attorney who is licensed in Virginia. I live in the D.C. metro area on the Virginia side.   I am unemployed and looking for a job. I have a couple of questions for any lawyers licensed in Virginia, D.C., or both.   Thank you.   Mike   From LRovig at nfb.org Wed Nov 19 20:03:46 2008 From: LRovig at nfb.org (Rovig, Lorraine) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:03:46 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Employment Opportunities @ DC Department on Disability Services Message-ID: <33F75BFED8B0464E98F88836186BA754012D1472@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local> ________________________________ From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Coffron, Andrew (DDS) Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:09 PM To: NFBNET.ORG; DDVI; DisabledPerson.com; DOL; Melwood; PVA; VA DBVI Cc: Coffron, Andrew (DDS) Subject: Employment Opportunities Available @ District of Columbia Government Agency, Department on Disability Services THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA DEPARTMENT ON DISABILITY SERVICES EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES The DC Department on Disability Services (DDS) has several employment opportunities and is interested in receiving applications from qualified individuals who are committed to improving the quality of life for individuals with disabilities. Please see the listing of current opportunities: Reference Posting Title Grade Agency Area of Consideration Closing Date 12262 Rights Complaint Specialist 12 Department on Disability Services Open to Public Open Until December 2nd, 2008 12247 Program Support Assistant 6 Department on Disability Services Open to Public Open Until November 28th, 2008 12245 Management Analyst 13 Department on Disability Services Open to Public Open Until November 28th, 2008 11985 Vocational Rehabilitation Specialist 9, 11 Department on Disability Services Open to Public Open Until Filled 11960 Program Manager 15 Department on Disability Services Open to Public Open Until Filled If interested in learning more about any of the above opportunities, please visit the DC Human Resources Website at http://dcop.dc.gov/, click on "employment opportunities" and then on "view listing". The list of available positions can be sorted by agency. Applications can be submitted online via the website. Individuals not able to access the website or apply on-line can contact the Department on Disability Services HR office at (202) 730-1712 (if needed, please use voice-relay,) and ask to speak to a recruiter. Please forward this information liberally. Andrew Coffron Human Resources Specialist Office of Human Resources Department on Disability Services 1125 15th Street, N.W., 2nd Floor Washington, D.C. 20005 Office: (202) 730-1712 Fax: (202) 730-1515 Andrew.Coffron at dc.gov http://www.dc.gov/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it, may contain confidential information, trade secret information or information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. 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I've heard about this list and finally found out how to join. I am an attorney who is licensed in Virginia. I live in the D.C. metro area on the Virginia side. I am unemployed and looking for a job. I have a couple of questions for any lawyers licensed in Virginia, D.C., or both. Thank you. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From KBorowicz at accessliving.org Wed Nov 19 23:40:00 2008 From: KBorowicz at accessliving.org (Kim Borowicz) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:40:00 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs In-Reply-To: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> References: <43587C97BB2C4DBF8EE78081243D01AF@noneeb869fea9a> Message-ID: I have attached some info on the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007. There is also some good information on the Equal Justice Works website. In a nutshell, it forgives your loans after making 120 monthly payments. But your loans have to be through federal direct loans (which you can do by consolidating) and you have to make payments through Income Based or Income Contingent Payments (not extended year payments, which is the standard method of payment, so you would have to call the Dept of Ed to change it). Kim Borowicz Staff Attorney Access Living 115 W. Chicago Ave Chicago, IL 60654 (312) 640-2155 (312) 640-2169 TTY (312) 640-2139 Fax -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:44 AM To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: [blindlaw] Loan Forgiveness Programs On a somewhat related topic to free tuition, does anyone know of any loan forgiveness programs? Cordially, John John Ramsey Esq. 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I just discovered this and thought that others might find it helpful as well. It is at www.legalbluebook.com Kim Borowicz Staff Attorney Access Living 115 W. Chicago Ave Chicago, IL 60654 (312) 640-2155 (312) 640-2169 TTY (312) 640-2139 Fax From fairall at shellworld.net Fri Nov 21 04:38:56 2008 From: fairall at shellworld.net (Leslie Fairall) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:38:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [blindlaw] Concord Law School info chat (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:46:50 -0800 (PST) From: Miriam Billington Reply-To: CLS-SBA-FYLSX-1L at yahoogroups.com To: CLS-SBA-FYLSX-1L at yahoogroups.com Subject: [FYLSX & 1L Group] Concord info chat If there's anyone in your life who wants to know more about Concord, Prof. Berman is hosting this info chat that's open and free to the public: Please invite friends, family, colleagues, and others to experience Concord!!! WHEN: Tuesday, December 9th, 5pm-6pm PT WHAT: Inside Tips to Success in Law School --an interactive session, totally free of charge, that can be attended from anywhere in the world. All that is needed is internet access, a name and email address. Register now at www.experienceconcord.com WHERE: Online in Concord's 21st century law classroom at www.experienceconcord.com REGISTER: www.experienceconcord.comWHO: Open to the Public. Join Law Professor and Author Sara J. Berman to learn more about the law school experience and get your questions answered. From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 21 05:17:53 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:17:53 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Concord Law School info chat (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EE211E09119415CA0C0F45B1AC887D7@spike> Thanks for posting this, I just signed up. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Fairall" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Concord Law School info chat (fwd) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:46:50 -0800 (PST) > From: Miriam Billington > Reply-To: CLS-SBA-FYLSX-1L at yahoogroups.com > To: CLS-SBA-FYLSX-1L at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FYLSX & 1L Group] Concord info chat > > If there's anyone in your life who wants to know more about Concord, Prof. > Berman is hosting this info chat that's open and free to the public: > > Please invite friends, family, colleagues, and others to experience > Concord!!! > > WHEN: Tuesday, December 9th, 5pm-6pm PT > > WHAT: Inside Tips to Success in Law School --an interactive session, > totally free of charge, that can be attended from anywhere in the world. > All that is needed is internet access, a name and email address. Register > now at www.experienceconcord.com > > > WHERE: Online in Concord's 21st century law classroom at > www.experienceconcord.com > > REGISTER: www.experienceconcord.comWHO: Open to the Public. Join Law > Professor and Author Sara J. Berman to learn more about the law school > experience and get your questions answered. > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 13:20:12 2008 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:20:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations Message-ID: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other jurisdictions feel free to chime in.   I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the beginning and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is being sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my head.   As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients or in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as a basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under the ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions don't as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the ACB can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting this as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We are handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants?   Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to you and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say, "Congratulations! You've been served!""   Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper service; we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on.   Mike   From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 13:43:15 2008 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:43:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] medmical practice suts against interns Message-ID: <610040.50009.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This question is mainly for those of you who practice in Illinois; but, everyone else feel free to chime in.   On last night's ER, Dr. Raskotra was sued for medical malpractice. The real person who botched the surgery was her intern. Granted, she was probably being sued because she's a surgeon and has deep pockets (so to speak) and was responsible for teaching her intern how to perform the surgery; so, she's somehow liable. Even so, it was the intern who performed the actual surgery. How come he's just not sued outright or joined as a party to the suit? Granted, interns aren't real doctors yet and probably aren't making as much as a full surgeon; but, in the end, is it all about which potential defendant has the most money in their pocket or is it under a respondeat superior theory under which they're suing Raskotra and not her intern? Of course, County General would probably be gone after, too, right?   Mike From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 13:59:03 2008 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:59:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] for Virginia attorneys Message-ID: <528351.20481.qm@web90302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everybody.   This question is for Virginia attorneys. (I'm especially interested in northern Virginia advice; but, I'll take advice from anyone.)   Do any of you work out of your home as a solo practitioner instead of renting office space or working for a firm?   I've been applying to the feds (and for those of you who have, you know that molasses if faster than they are in responding.) I'll be sitting for February's D.C. bar and hopefully pass so that I could pursue a career with a D.C. firm as an ethics associate (I'm unaware of any Virginia firms who hire ethics associates.) Anyway, I've also thought about doing solo work in the area of adoption law. For those of you who do work out of your home, how do you meet with clients? What type of equipment do you use? Do you have any sighted assistants working with you? Let's fac it: working out of your home is cheaper than renting office space. (But, is that something DBVI would do for someone hanging out their shingle? I know they'll pay for the first year of malpractice insurance because it's something that a lawyer ought to have.)   Any advice or personal experiences would be very much appreciated.   Thanks.   Mike From angie.matney at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 14:58:19 2008 From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:58:19 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bluebook online Message-ID: <2v30QKmrZppR.dY2gWP8G@smtp.gmail.com> I've used this, too. It's very accessible. angie -original message- Subject: [blindlaw] Bluebook online From: "Kim Borowicz" Date: 11/20/2008 6:43 PM The Bluebook is now available online. I just discovered this and thought that others might find it helpful as well. It is at www.legalbluebook.com Kim Borowicz Staff Attorney Access Living 115 W. Chicago Ave Chicago, IL 60654 (312) 640-2155 (312) 640-2169 TTY (312) 640-2139 Fax _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com From keith-vick at msn.com Fri Nov 21 15:08:33 2008 From: keith-vick at msn.com (Keith Vick) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:08:33 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bluebook online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kim, Thanks for the notice on the Bluebook. Just as additional information to those on the list, to use the online Bluebook, one signs up for a 1, 2, or 3 year membership. I signed up for a three year membership for 55 dollars. I believe that the subscription is renewed at 15 dollars for each year subsequent to the initial signup. This seems like a very good deal to me. The online Bluebook has a couple of nice features. One of the more interesting ones is the ability to take 'notes' in your copy of the online Bluebook. I attached a PDF of screenshots demonstrating the note taking features. For those relying on text reading software, please accept my apologies; I wasn't able to render the screenshots into readable text format. However, the webpage itself appears to render the notes in line with the text of the Bluebook and thus may be readable by a text reading software. Keith Vick -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kim Borowicz Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:53 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Bluebook online The Bluebook is now available online. I just discovered this and thought that others might find it helpful as well. It is at www.legalbluebook.com Kim Borowicz Staff Attorney Access Living 115 W. Chicago Ave Chicago, IL 60654 (312) 640-2155 (312) 640-2169 TTY (312) 640-2139 Fax _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/keith-vick%40msn.c om -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Unfiled Notes.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 66033 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 21 19:44:34 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:44:34 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] medmical practice suts against interns In-Reply-To: <610040.50009.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <610040.50009.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869717EAA1714F1A92782A86E2C72F0F@spike> Here in California supervising attorneys have been sued for malpractice when the act was committed by a paralegal as the attorney supervises or is supposed to supervise the work of the paralegal. That apparently extends to interns as well. I would assume that this applies generally. Charles L. Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gilmore" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:43 AM Subject: [blindlaw] medmical practice suts against interns This question is mainly for those of you who practice in Illinois; but, everyone else feel free to chime in. On last night's ER, Dr. Raskotra was sued for medical malpractice. The real person who botched the surgery was her intern. Granted, she was probably being sued because she's a surgeon and has deep pockets (so to speak) and was responsible for teaching her intern how to perform the surgery; so, she's somehow liable. Even so, it was the intern who performed the actual surgery. How come he's just not sued outright or joined as a party to the suit? Granted, interns aren't real doctors yet and probably aren't making as much as a full surgeon; but, in the end, is it all about which potential defendant has the most money in their pocket or is it under a respondeat superior theory under which they're suing Raskotra and not her intern? Of course, County General would probably be gone after, too, right? Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 21 19:50:54 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:50:54 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations In-Reply-To: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is an interesting argument. Additionally with many small claims or landlord-tenant claims for unlawful detainer here in California these types of complaints in many cases are handwritten on forms that involve filling in blanks or checking boxes which would make them unreadable with devices such as the SARA or KNFB reader. I have had occasions when I have been served that process servers have taken it upon themselves to read the complaint after I acknowledged my identity to them. Charles L. Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gilmore" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:20 AM Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other jurisdictions feel free to chime in. I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the beginning and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is being sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my head. As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients or in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as a basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under the ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions don't as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the ACB can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting this as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We are handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants? Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to you and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say, "Congratulations! You've been served!"" Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper service; we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com Sat Nov 22 01:13:47 2008 From: RWayne1 at nyc.rr.com (Ray Wayne) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:13:47 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> I would never make this argument! It would suggest that we who are blind cannot handle printed material. I was served with process once. I asked the guy where it was from, and when he told me, I knew what it was about. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gilmore" To: Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other jurisdictions feel free to chime in. I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the beginning and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is being sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my head. As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients or in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as a basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under the ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions don't as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the ACB can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting this as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We are handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants? Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to you and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say, "Congratulations! You've been served!"" Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper service; we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c om From b75205 at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 06:35:01 2008 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:35:01 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations In-Reply-To: <002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: Ok Charles, given that California is about to go digital in its documents, and accept digital signatures, what about a thumb drive, and by the way I could make that form! James Pepper On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Ray Wayne wrote: > I would never make this argument! It would suggest that we who are blind > cannot handle printed material. > I was served with process once. I asked the guy where it was from, and > when > he told me, I knew what it was about. > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Gilmore" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:20 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations > > > This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other > jurisdictions > feel free to chime in. > > I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch > it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the beginning > and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is > being > sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my head. > > As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients > or > in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as a > basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format > (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under > the > ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis > upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions > don't > as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the > ACB > can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting > this > as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil > procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We are > handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our > briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted > assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what > about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants? > > Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to > you > and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would > realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say, > "Congratulations! You've been served!"" > > Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in > mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper > service; > we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and > state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on. > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 22 06:24:17 2008 From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:24:17 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: hi, are you saying you're only blind when it's convenient? of course we can't read/handle printed information if we are worse than about 20/400. Bryan Schulz The BEST Solution www.best-acts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Wayne" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations >I would never make this argument! It would suggest that we who are blind > cannot handle printed material. > I was served with process once. I asked the guy where it was from, and > when > he told me, I knew what it was about. > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Gilmore" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:20 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations > > > This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other jurisdictions > feel free to chime in. > > I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch > it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the > beginning > and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is > being > sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my > head. > > As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients > or > in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as > a > basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format > (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under > the > ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis > upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions > don't > as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the > ACB > can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting > this > as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil > procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We > are > handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our > briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted > assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what > about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants? > > Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to > you > and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would > realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say, > "Congratulations! You've been served!"" > > Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in > mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper > service; > we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and > state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on. > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net From theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 22 16:07:55 2008 From: theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net (James Weisberg) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:07:55 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] For Immigration Lawyers Message-ID: <8E533A84-3F26-484F-AC09-06E50BA5D638@sbcglobal.net> List Members: Are there any attorneys on the list practicing Immigration law who would be willing to answer (off list) a few questions about the practice? Thanks. James From timandvickie at hotmail.com Sat Nov 22 16:27:22 2008 From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (tim and vickie shaw) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:27:22 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations In-Reply-To: References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: The interesting thing to me is going to be when they start you iris scan identification for stuff like flying, like they said they were gonna do after 9/11. Seeing as me primary vision problem i was born with is that i dont have an iris, I am going to get to all kinds of fun everytime i want to do something.> From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:24:17 -0600> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations> > hi,> > are you saying you're only blind when it's convenient?> of course we can't read/handle printed information if we are worse than > about 20/400.> > Bryan Schulz> The BEST Solution> www.best-acts.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Wayne" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:13 PM> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations> > > >I would never make this argument! It would suggest that we who are blind> > cannot handle printed material.> > I was served with process once. I asked the guy where it was from, and > > when> > he told me, I knew what it was about.> > Ray> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: "Mike Gilmore" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:20 AM> > Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations> >> >> > This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other jurisdictions> > feel free to chime in.> >> > I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still watch> > it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the > > beginning> > and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is > > being> > sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my > > head.> >> > As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients > > or> > in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as > > a> > basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format> > (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under > > the> > ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a basis> > upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions > > don't> > as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the > > ACB> > can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting > > this> > as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil> > procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We > > are> > handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in our> > briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted> > assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what> > about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants?> >> > Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to > > you> > and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney would> > realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and say,> > "Congratulations! You've been served!""> >> > Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in> > mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper > > service;> > we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and> > state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on.> >> > Mike> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c> > om> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > blindlaw mailing list> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________> blindlaw mailing list> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/timandvickie%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the “I’m a PC” Messenger themepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ From AZNOR99 at aol.com Sun Nov 23 00:32:52 2008 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:32:52 EST Subject: [blindlaw] For Immigration Lawyers Message-ID: James, Send me an email off-list with your questions to _aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) or call me at 708-829-0523. I practiced immigration law with a law firm and then as a solo practitioner prior to going to work for the Department of Homeland Security. This is an open invitation to anyone else on this list who wants to talk about immigration law. Ronza In a message dated 11/22/2008 1:22:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, theweisberggroup at sbcglobal.net writes: List Members: Are there any attorneys on the list practicing Immigration law who would be willing to answer (off list) a few questions about the practice? Thanks. James _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 23 02:24:47 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:24:47 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations In-Reply-To: References: <998869.34110.qm@web90301.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002001c94c3f$925d2bc0$cd53f443@nyc.rr.com> Message-ID: The California courts have not gone paperless yet and as I stated scanners do not read handwritten documents so the question is receiving process service that is handwritten or partially handwritten. Filling out the forms is not a problem and some of the forms for such things as unlawful detainers can be completed on line. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations > Ok Charles, given that California is about to go digital in its documents, > and accept digital signatures, what about a thumb drive, and by the way I > could make that form! > > James Pepper > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Ray Wayne wrote: > >> I would never make this argument! It would suggest that we who are blind >> cannot handle printed material. >> I was served with process once. I asked the guy where it was from, and >> when >> he told me, I knew what it was about. >> Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Gilmore" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:20 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] service of process and reasonable accomodations >> >> >> This question is for Virginia lawyers--but people from other >> jurisdictions >> feel free to chime in. >> >> I was watching ER last night (yes, I'm one of those people who still >> watch >> it regularly after all these years. You know, you start it at the >> beginning >> and you gotta see how it ends.) Anyway, Dr. Raskotra was served and is >> being >> sued for medical malpractice. All of a sudden, a light went off in my >> head. >> >> As lawyers, I'm sure some of you have been served because of your clients >> or >> in general (e.g., divorce, whatever.) Has anyone ever thought of using as >> a >> basis for improper service that you weren't served in an alternate format >> (i.e., braille) and as such, your right to reasonable accomodation under >> the >> ADA has been violated? Granted, Virginia law doesn't allow this as a >> basis >> upon which to raise improper service (and I'm sure other jurisdictions >> don't >> as well.) But, who's to say we can't use this as a basis? I mean, if the >> ACB >> can raise a lawsuit for braille money, what's to stop us from asserting >> this >> as a ground in the service of process phase? Concededly, federal civil >> procedure doesn't allow for this ground either; but, think about it. We >> are >> handed a document and how many of us have a scanner or SARA sitting in >> our >> briefcase to scan the document? Sure, some of us may have a sighted >> assistant who can say, "It's a complaint by John Doe", but what >> about those lawyers who don't have sighted assistants? >> >> Of course, the other side to the argument is, "Well, someone comes up to >> you >> and says you've been served, it's logical that you being an attorney >> would >> realize what the document is. People just don't walk up to others and >> say, >> "Congratulations! You've been served!"" >> >> Just something to ponder. I'd love to hear opinions and thoughts. Keep in >> mind, I'm not saying we should assert this as a ground for improper >> service; >> we must obey the statues and rules of civil procedure in the federal and >> state jurisdictions. It's just something to chew on. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 16:27:33 2008 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:27:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals Message-ID: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just a quick question for the paralegals on the list.   Are any of you licensed lawyers but choose to do paralegal work? I've thought of doing this for awhile to make a living and then practice law. Also, what are the duties of a paralegal?   Thanks.   Mike From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Nov 24 17:10:15 2008 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:10:15 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice Message-ID: ________________________________ From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:21 AM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Subject: [Jobs] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice ________________________________ From: Hunter, Sue [mailto:Sue.Hunter at usdoj.gov] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 11:55 AM To: noryrp at cox.net; nromulus at gmail.com; ntb at boglechang.com; ocaaba at cox.net; omanager at lawyerscomm.org; palsd at hotmail.com; patel at fr.com; patsyy at bellnunnally.com; pchanster at yahoo.com; pchapman at koonz.com; pgrewal at daycasebeer.com; pkim at lordbissell.com; Maurer, Patricia; pmorrison at state.wv.us; poppy.johnston at unlv.edu; president at abaw.org; president at adc.org; president at apabala.org; president at blackwomenlawyersla.org; president at dominicanbarassociation.org; president at mabl.org Subject: FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice To learn more about our attorneys and what they like most about working at DOJ, please visit our attorney profiles at, http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/profiles.htm, and the video clips of our attorneys and interns available at https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/ads/jobsatdojoarm/index.jsp We encourage you to share this email with interested colleagues and peers. 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Such posting and/or dissemination is not an endorsement by the Department of the organization or group disseminating and/or posting the information. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 19:09:51 2008 From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:09:51 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals In-Reply-To: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c94e68$3a85c3a0$6901a8c0@RThomas> You might think about looking for temporary assignments for research or other assignments. For example, look at Kelly Law Registry. There are other companies that look for contract work for attorneys or paralegals. As far as the duties of a paralegal, let me quote a former colleague, who when asked by a new paralegal what her job duties would be stated: whatever I tell you to do." Respectfully, Russell J. Thomas, Jr. THOMAS & ASSOCIATES Orange County Office 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 Newport Beach, California 92660 T: (949) 752-0101 F: (949) 257-4756 M: (949) 466-7238 Beverly Hills Office 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 Beverly Hills, California 90210 T: (310) 461-3561 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gilmore Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:28 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals Just a quick question for the paralegals on the list.   Are any of you licensed lawyers but choose to do paralegal work? I've thought of doing this for awhile to make a living and then practice law. Also, what are the duties of a paralegal?   Thanks.   Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com From Bennett.Prows at HHS.GOV Mon Nov 24 21:57:32 2008 From: Bennett.Prows at HHS.GOV (Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:57:32 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Civil Rights Division Attorney Vacancy In the Department of Health and Human Services Office of the General Council Message-ID: <9CDA99CD650C5544ACEADDB63CCD70D161584A@AVN3VS032.ees.hhs.gov> Subject: The Office of the General Counsel is seeking an attorney to join our Civil Rights Division. The Civil Rights Division advises the Department's Office for Civil Rights on the implementation of laws protecting against discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, disability, age and sex; and laws protecting the confidentiality of health information. A major focus of the position we are seeking to fill will be in the area of protecting the privacy of health information. The work will involve legal matters in a variety of areas, including rulemaking, regulatory interpretation, legal aspects of policy development, investigations, administrative enforcement and litigation support to the Department of Justice. We are seeking to fill the position at the GS-12 to GS-14 level ($69,764 - $127,442, depending on experience and qualifications). The position will be located in Washington, D.C., and reimbursement for relocation expenses is not available. Interested candidates should send resumes and 1-2 legal writing samples to Bonita Huff, Department of Health and Human Services, Office of the General Counsel, Civil Rights Division, Room 5362 Cohen Building, 330 Independence Ave., S.W., Washington, D.C. 20201, or by e-mail to Bonita.Huff at hhs.gov. To ensure consideration, applications must be received by COB December 31, 2008. The Department of Health and Human Services is an equal opportunity employer. From pebreeze at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 22:38:53 2008 From: pebreeze at gmail.com (Philip Breeze) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:38:53 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed Message-ID: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied for admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from admission for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters from doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This has been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education has ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the school has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the reasons for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point us in the right direction, thank you. From rumpole at roadrunner.com Tue Nov 25 00:35:33 2008 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:35:33 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> What state are you in? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied > for > admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from > admission > for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools > findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my > child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric > evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters from > doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This has > been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education > has > ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the > school > has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the > reasons > for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an > attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point us > in > the right direction, thank you. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 25 02:03:48 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:03:48 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals In-Reply-To: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92CB1416FFE14F17A499FB4432F5BC92@spike> I am a certificated paralegal that is thinking about proceeding with a law degree on line. As a paralegal in a traditional setting I work under the direction of an attorney and duties could include performing research drafting documents etc. As a paralegal I can in some instances represent people in administrative law hearings such as SSA hearings and other similar hearings. Additionally, in some states paralegals who meet criteria can perform work for the general public. Here in California these paralegals are registered with each county as Legal document assistants or unlawful detainer assistants. In this capacity I would be able to prepare and file documents for the public with the court but not provide any type of legal advice. Feel free to contact me off list with specific questions. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 5590-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gilmore" To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:27 AM Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals Just a quick question for the paralegals on the list. Are any of you licensed lawyers but choose to do paralegal work? I've thought of doing this for awhile to make a living and then practice law. Also, what are the duties of a paralegal? Thanks. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 25 02:29:23 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:29:23 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals In-Reply-To: <000301c94e68$3a85c3a0$6901a8c0@RThomas> References: <337170.20972.qm@web90304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c94e68$3a85c3a0$6901a8c0@RThomas> Message-ID: That is a fairly accurate description of a paralegal's duties. What I tell people sometimes is that I do the work and give the attorney all the credit. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question for paralegals You might think about looking for temporary assignments for research or other assignments. For example, look at Kelly Law Registry. There are other companies that look for contract work for attorneys or paralegals. As far as the duties of a paralegal, let me quote a former colleague, who when asked by a new paralegal what her job duties would be stated: whatever I tell you to do." Respectfully, Russell J. Thomas, Jr. THOMAS & ASSOCIATES Orange County Office 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 Newport Beach, California 92660 T: (949) 752-0101 F: (949) 257-4756 M: (949) 466-7238 Beverly Hills Office 9107 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 450 Beverly Hills, California 90210 T: (310) 461-3561 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gilmore Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:28 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] question for paralegals Just a quick question for the paralegals on the list. Are any of you licensed lawyers but choose to do paralegal work? I've thought of doing this for awhile to make a living and then practice law. Also, what are the duties of a paralegal? Thanks. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjtlawfirm%40yahoo .com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From mikefry79 at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 02:46:18 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:46:18 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed In-Reply-To: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811241846j32170779n96c548b8843630c9@mail.gmail.com> Needless to say it sounds like a winning case, you should get a court order requiring the school to admit your son and probably, I think, monetary damages. If I were you, I'd hire the most experienced and successfully attorney possible. I'd see if I could hire an attorney from a very big law firm like MOFO or Reed Smith, generally the very best and brightest attorney's work at big law firms. But I don't know if firms like that will work on this kind of case, however, they may point you in the right direction. There are public interest law firms that specialize in disability advocacy that are analogous to the huge law firms as far as their success rate is concerned. As stated in the previous email the jurisdiction of the case is important. If it's in California I know that Disability Rights Advocates is a top-notch law firm that cleans- up with huge cash verdicts. Disability Rights California is another organization that specializes in representing the disabled. It is advisable to contact these firms because even if they won't take your case it's likely they will point you in the direction of an attorney that will help you. Do a google search of "disability rights" or "disability advocacy" with your states name in it. That should link to a law firm that is analogous to DRA or DRC in your state. Good luck, I hope you stick it to those bastards. Mike On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Philip Breeze wrote: > My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied > for > admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from admission > for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools > findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my > child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric > evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters from > doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This has > been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education has > ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the school > has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the > reasons > for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an > attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point us > in > the right direction, thank you. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 25 06:08:27 2008 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:08:27 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed In-Reply-To: <8c58e54a0811241846j32170779n96c548b8843630c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> <8c58e54a0811241846j32170779n96c548b8843630c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There are Protection and Advocacy agencies in all states. As this case involves a child this issue would most likely fall within the scope of their practice. Much of their work involves educational advocacy for children and adults with developmental disabilities which includes people who were blind or became blind as a child. In California they have recently expanded the scope of their services to be more inclusive and serve greater categories and now go by the name Disability Rights California. Charles L> Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Fry" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > Needless to say it sounds like a winning case, you should get a court > order > requiring the school to admit your son and probably, I think, monetary > damages. > > If I were you, I'd hire the most experienced and successfully attorney > possible. I'd see if I could hire an attorney from a very big law firm > like > MOFO or Reed Smith, generally the very best and brightest attorney's work > at big law firms. But I don't know if firms like that will work on this > kind of case, however, they may point you in the right direction. > > There are public interest law firms that specialize in disability advocacy > that are analogous to the huge law firms as far as their success rate is > concerned. As stated in the previous email the jurisdiction of the case > is > important. If it's in California I know that Disability Rights Advocates > is > a top-notch law firm that cleans- up with huge cash verdicts. Disability > Rights California is another organization that specializes in representing > the disabled. It is advisable to contact these firms because even if they > won't take your case it's likely they will point you in the direction of > an > attorney that will help you. > > Do a google search of "disability rights" or "disability advocacy" with > your > states name in it. That should link to a law firm that is analogous to > DRA > or DRC in your state. Good luck, I hope you stick it to those bastards. > > Mike > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Philip Breeze wrote: > >> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied >> for >> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >> admission >> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools >> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters from >> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This >> has >> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >> has >> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >> school >> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >> reasons >> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an >> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point us >> in >> the right direction, thank you. >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From pebreeze at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 14:39:09 2008 From: pebreeze at gmail.com (Philip Breeze) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:39:09 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed In-Reply-To: <247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> <247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> Message-ID: <88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr wrote: > What state are you in? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM > Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > > > My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied >> for >> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >> admission >> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools >> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters from >> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This has >> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >> has >> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >> school >> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >> reasons >> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an >> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point us >> in >> the right direction, thank you. >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze%40gmail.com > From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Nov 25 16:56:50 2008 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:56:50 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com><247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> <88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D63FE6C60904BA592EE65651EE73B74@labarre> Phillip: Please contact me off list at the information below. There is a group of attorneys working on these issues. Thanks, Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices P.C. 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 Denver, Colorado 80222 303 504-5979 (voice) 303 757-3640 (fax) slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) www.labarrelaw.com (website) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure > that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr > wrote: > >> What state are you in? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed >> >> >> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied >>> for >>> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >>> admission >>> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools >>> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >>> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >>> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters >>> from >>> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This >>> has >>> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >>> has >>> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >>> school >>> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >>> reasons >>> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an >>> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point >>> us >>> in >>> the right direction, thank you. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com > From mikefry79 at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 17:29:15 2008 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:29:15 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed In-Reply-To: <88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com> <247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> <88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c58e54a0811250929n567023ke8564f7c1accc824@mail.gmail.com> Chuck's post is right on point. Check-out: http://www.advocacycenter.org/ On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Philip Breeze wrote: > We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure > that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr > wrote: > > > What state are you in? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM > > Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > > > > > > My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied > >> for > >> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from > >> admission > >> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools > >> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my > >> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric > >> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters > from > >> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This > has > >> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education > >> has > >> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the > >> school > >> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the > >> reasons > >> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an > >> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point > us > >> in > >> the right direction, thank you. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blindlaw mailing list > >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw: > >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From rumpole at roadrunner.com Wed Nov 26 00:16:22 2008 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:16:22 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com><247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop> <88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1A324451FE7D49CA96FAD6D05CE7F58B@Rosslaptop> Phillip, call the protection and advocacy in Florida - they may be listed as the Disability Rights Center - and they should have a statewide toll free number for you to call. IF they cannot help you, they should have some resources for you to follow up on to try and find help. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure > that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr > wrote: > >> What state are you in? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed >> >> >> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied >>> for >>> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >>> admission >>> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools >>> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >>> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >>> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters >>> from >>> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This >>> has >>> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >>> has >>> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >>> school >>> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >>> reasons >>> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an >>> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point >>> us >>> in >>> the right direction, thank you. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com From rjs59 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 26 02:20:39 2008 From: rjs59 at hotmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:20:39 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed References: <88afe4410811241438u36d4d1a3n8370806ef6e3a10a@mail.gmail.com><247C502FD296424A9907ED8F0692C229@Rosslaptop><88afe4410811250639s3c3e6e1ai5312f57dd8f88565@mail.gmail.com> <1A324451FE7D49CA96FAD6D05CE7F58B@Rosslaptop> Message-ID: Another Person he can try is: Law Offices of Matthew W. Dietz Pl. 2990 S.W. 35th Ave. Miami, FL 33133-3410 (305)669-2822 Fax: (305)442-4181 Email: matthewdietz at usdisabilitylaw.comHe is really helpfull, and if he isn't able to help you, he'll point you to some one who can. He even checks his email's in the evening. I know this from experience. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Doerr" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > Phillip, call the protection and advocacy in Florida - they may be listed > as the Disability Rights Center - and they should have a statewide toll > free number for you to call. > IF they cannot help you, they should have some resources for you to follow > up on to try and find help. > Good luck. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Breeze" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > > >> We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure >> that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. >> >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr >> wrote: >> >>> What state are you in? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed >>> >>> >>> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently >>> applied >>>> for >>>> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >>>> admission >>>> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the >>>> schools >>>> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >>>> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >>>> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters >>>> from >>>> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This >>>> has >>>> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >>>> has >>>> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >>>> school >>>> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >>>> reasons >>>> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need >>>> an >>>> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point >>>> us >>>> in >>>> the right direction, thank you. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjs59%40hotmail.com > From AZNOR99 at aol.com Wed Nov 26 04:59:05 2008 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:59:05 EST Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed Message-ID: Phillip, I am one of the attorneys working on these issues, and Florida is one of the states in which I'm talking with parents. Please call me at 410-649-1344 and leave me a message as to when would be a good time - evening or weekend - for you and I to talk more about what's been happening. Regards, Ronza Othman In a message dated 11/25/2008 2:36:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, slabarre at labarrelaw.com writes: Phillip: Please contact me off list at the information below. There is a group of attorneys working on these issues. Thanks, Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices P.C. 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 Denver, Colorado 80222 303 504-5979 (voice) 303 757-3640 (fax) slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) www.labarrelaw.com (website) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attorney needed > We are in Florida. I left out the state in the posting because I am sure > that if anyone from FSDB reads this they will know the case. > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ross Doerr > wrote: > >> What state are you in? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:38 PM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney needed >> >> >> My son is congenitally blind. He is 6 years old and we recently applied >>> for >>> admission to a public school for the blind. He was rejected from >>> admission >>> for unfounded reasons. We have repeatedly demanded proof of the schools >>> findings and have received no proof to date. They have also labeled my >>> child as mentally retarded and he has never been given a psychiatric >>> evaluation or been seen by this schools evaluators. We have letters >>> from >>> doctors and educators proving that he has no mental retardation. This >>> has >>> been on going for the past 8 months. The State Department of Education >>> has >>> ordered the school's administration to reveal their findings and the >>> school >>> has not and refuses to. They have no proof because they made up the >>> reasons >>> for rejection. We have been given a case for Due Process and we need an >>> attorney that can help represent us. Please email me if you can point >>> us >>> in >>> the right direction, thank you. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pebreeze% 40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.or g/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com **************One site has it all. 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