From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 14:52:54 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 09:52:54 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Question from Texas
Message-ID: <00f601ca12b7$c4995a20$4dcc0e60$@com>

Hello group.  I have a question and I will try to not be too lengthy.

 

Last night after 8 p.m., after it was dark outside, I was sitting in my
living room when some people start to bang on my door.  I went to the door
and yelled through asking who it was.  They stated they were apartment
security.  Considering I live in a not so savory neighborhood and I had not
been out of my apartment for the past couple days, I was weary of opening
the door.  I asked what they wanted and they told me to open the door.  I
told them I would call the police first and then I would open the door.
They continued to bang to the point that it seemed as though they were
trying to push my door open.  

 

Once I called the police, I told the dispatcher that I was blind and that
people were knocking on the door loudly and saying they are security.  I
know that we sometimes have security but it is not a consistent thing.  The
dispatcher asked if I wanted to stay online and I told her yes because when
the cop got here I needed to know if it was really him.  Well, shortly
afterwards, there was another loud knock on the door and immediately
thereafter banging on the window.  I yelled through the door asking who it
is and he said it was the police.  I asked what was his badge number so I
could ask the dispatcher and he refused.

 

I eventually open the door when the dispatcher says you can probably go
ahead and open the door.  He then pushes my door open and asks me if I had
stolen someone's cell phone and taken out running.  I told him no
considering I'm blind and cannot outrun anybody.  He then told me to stand
outside my apartment and proceeded to go through my apartment, apparently
looking for somebody.  When he was done, all he said was to go back in and
close my door.  

 

There are so many things wrong with this situation that I do not think I am
really grasping the magnitude of this.  Could someone tell me what all I
need to report to the police department?  I tried calling and filing a
complaint right after this incident last night and they would not accept it.
They actually put me on hold when I started telling my story and never came
back to the phone.  I'm also going to report, in writing, to my apartment
managers that security handled themselves very unprofessionally by banging
on my door.  Someone please give me some guidance.

 

William


From rjs059 at peoplepc.com  Sat Aug  1 17:26:30 2009
From: rjs059 at peoplepc.com (rjs059 at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:26:30 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question from Texas
References: <00f601ca12b7$c4995a20$4dcc0e60$@com>
Message-ID: <31983953D1104AAEB355F29139E80348@rjige047kjawst>

That's a violation of this mans constitutional rights Correct? RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "BlindLaw" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Question from Texas


> Hello group.  I have a question and I will try to not be too lengthy.
>
>
>
> Last night after 8 p.m., after it was dark outside, I was sitting in my
> living room when some people start to bang on my door.  I went to the door
> and yelled through asking who it was.  They stated they were apartment
> security.  Considering I live in a not so savory neighborhood and I had 
> not
> been out of my apartment for the past couple days, I was weary of opening
> the door.  I asked what they wanted and they told me to open the door.  I
> told them I would call the police first and then I would open the door.
> They continued to bang to the point that it seemed as though they were
> trying to push my door open.
>
>
>
> Once I called the police, I told the dispatcher that I was blind and that
> people were knocking on the door loudly and saying they are security.  I
> know that we sometimes have security but it is not a consistent thing. 
> The
> dispatcher asked if I wanted to stay online and I told her yes because 
> when
> the cop got here I needed to know if it was really him.  Well, shortly
> afterwards, there was another loud knock on the door and immediately
> thereafter banging on the window.  I yelled through the door asking who it
> is and he said it was the police.  I asked what was his badge number so I
> could ask the dispatcher and he refused.
>
>
>
> I eventually open the door when the dispatcher says you can probably go
> ahead and open the door.  He then pushes my door open and asks me if I had
> stolen someone's cell phone and taken out running.  I told him no
> considering I'm blind and cannot outrun anybody.  He then told me to stand
> outside my apartment and proceeded to go through my apartment, apparently
> looking for somebody.  When he was done, all he said was to go back in and
> close my door.
>
>
>
> There are so many things wrong with this situation that I do not think I 
> am
> really grasping the magnitude of this.  Could someone tell me what all I
> need to report to the police department?  I tried calling and filing a
> complaint right after this incident last night and they would not accept 
> it.
> They actually put me on hold when I started telling my story and never 
> came
> back to the phone.  I'm also going to report, in writing, to my apartment
> managers that security handled themselves very unprofessionally by banging
> on my door.  Someone please give me some guidance.
>
>
>
> William
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From info at michaelhingson.com  Sun Aug  2 22:54:26 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:54:26 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KnfbReader Mobile pricing and seminar announcements
Message-ID: <auto-000110212755@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Just before the NFB national convention I announced that the price for the
KnfbReader when purchased from the NFB and The Michael Hingson Group was
decreasing.  Since there have been some questions about pricing after the
convention I want to clarify that this price decrease is permanent so long
as we continue to receive our present costs from our suppliers.  The pricing
is as follows:

The Basic KnfbReader Mobile including software and the Nokia N82 phone,
$1,370.00.

Talks screen reader optional add-on when purchased at the same time as the
Reader, $225.00.

Talks screen reader when purchased at another time, $295.00.

MobileSpeak screen reader purchased at any time, $295.00.

WayFinder Access GPS option for the KnfbReader system, $395.00.

NEW!  Extended battery for the Nokia N82, $35.00.

New!  Bluetooth headset with ear buds, model BH-201, $50.00.

New!  Nokia Bluetooth headset with ear covers, $75.00.

New!  Nokia Bluetooth keyboard model SU-8w, $125.00.

All prices are plus shipping and tax in California.  If you have questions
about the Reader or would like to order one please email me at
info at michaelhingson.com and I will get back to you or have one of our NFB
KnfbReader dealers contact you.  Also, don't forget that the National
Federation of the Blind has a %3 low interest loan program for those who
need help in purchasing the Reader.

I also want to ask if anyone would be interested in attending either an
upcoming online audio seminar or a conference call teleseminar to demo the
KnfbReader Mobile?  If so, please email me off list at
info at michaelhingson.com and tell me some times convenient for you to attend
either demo and which one you would be interested in attending.

Finally, over the summer many readers were sold at the various national
organizational conventions.  We are contemplating holding online or
conference call training sessions to help people get started using their
Readers.  Please email me at info at michaelhingson.com if you would like to
attend either kind of seminar.  Please include times convenient for you to
attend and which kind of seminar would be best for you.  All seminars are
free to everyone.  I will announce the status of the seminars as soon as I
get a sense from you about when and how to hold them.

Please send this on to others whom you think might be interested in knowing
more about the KnfbReader Mobile.  Happy reading to all.  Thanks for your
attention and time.


Best,


Michael Hingson

The Michael Hingson Group
      "Speaking with Vision"
                  Michael Hingson, President
                          (415) 827-4084
                    info at michaelhingson.com
                    www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com









__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus 
signature database 4296 (20090801) __________



From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug  2 15:39:06 2009
From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:39:06 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KnfbReader Mobile pricing and seminar announcements
References: <auto-000110212755@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <00e601ca1387$6004f210$81794a0c@HP8730notebook>

got this message on ten different lists.
why isn't everyone automatically subscribed to nfb-announce when signing up 
for any of the other nfb net lists?
why do people refuse to use nfb-announce/only send it once and why does the 
moderator allow bandwith to be wasted?
Bryan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Hingson (by way of David Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)" 
<info at michaelhingson.com>
To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 5:54 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] KnfbReader Mobile pricing and seminar announcements


>
> Just before the NFB national convention I announced that the price for the
> KnfbReader when purchased from the NFB and The Michael Hingson Group was
> decreasing.  Since there have been some questions about pricing after the
> convention I want to clarify that this price decrease is permanent so long
> as we continue to receive our present costs from our suppliers.  The 
> pricing
> is as follows:
>
> The Basic KnfbReader Mobile including software and the Nokia N82 phone,
> $1,370.00.
>
> Talks screen reader optional add-on when purchased at the same time as the
> Reader, $225.00.
>
> Talks screen reader when purchased at another time, $295.00.
>
> MobileSpeak screen reader purchased at any time, $295.00.
>
> WayFinder Access GPS option for the KnfbReader system, $395.00.
>
> NEW!  Extended battery for the Nokia N82, $35.00.
>
> New!  Bluetooth headset with ear buds, model BH-201, $50.00.
>
> New!  Nokia Bluetooth headset with ear covers, $75.00.
>
> New!  Nokia Bluetooth keyboard model SU-8w, $125.00.
>
> All prices are plus shipping and tax in California.  If you have questions
> about the Reader or would like to order one please email me at
> info at michaelhingson.com and I will get back to you or have one of our NFB
> KnfbReader dealers contact you.  Also, don't forget that the National
> Federation of the Blind has a %3 low interest loan program for those who
> need help in purchasing the Reader.
>
> I also want to ask if anyone would be interested in attending either an
> upcoming online audio seminar or a conference call teleseminar to demo the
> KnfbReader Mobile?  If so, please email me off list at
> info at michaelhingson.com and tell me some times convenient for you to 
> attend
> either demo and which one you would be interested in attending.
>
> Finally, over the summer many readers were sold at the various national
> organizational conventions.  We are contemplating holding online or
> conference call training sessions to help people get started using their
> Readers.  Please email me at info at michaelhingson.com if you would like to
> attend either kind of seminar.  Please include times convenient for you to
> attend and which kind of seminar would be best for you.  All seminars are
> free to everyone.  I will announce the status of the seminars as soon as I
> get a sense from you about when and how to hold them.
>
> Please send this on to others whom you think might be interested in 
> knowing
> more about the KnfbReader Mobile.  Happy reading to all.  Thanks for your
> attention and time.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> The Michael Hingson Group
>      "Speaking with Vision"
>                  Michael Hingson, President
>                          (415) 827-4084
>                    info at michaelhingson.com
>                    www.michaelhingson.com
>
>
> for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus 
> signature database 4296 (20090801) __________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> blindlaw:
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From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov  Wed Aug  5 19:00:56 2009
From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/CBC))
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:00:56 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] National Release Ten Outstanding Young Americans
Message-ID: <BBA045412218F84A8C4ED7B65BED5EE10741BEE9@AVN3VS002.ees.hhs.gov>

See the attached. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Gary Norman

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From craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 22:10:23 2009
From: craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com (Craig Spencer)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:10:23 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1>
	<COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
law offer any additional training for use with jaws?





From Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov  Wed Aug  5 22:42:34 2009
From: Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov (Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS))
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:42:34 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>
	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
Message-ID: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F60413DE00@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov>

I believe most of us use the www.text.westlaw.com version, and now there
is the very streamlined www.sireless.westlaw.com which works fine with
screen readers.  Westlaw used to provide training for free upon request,
and at least one of their trainers learned JAWS, and was very good at
explaining matters with JAWS in mind.  He since left, but hopefully West
has trained someone else on JAWS.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does
west law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From phingus at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 23:05:30 2009
From: phingus at gmail.com (Philip Sklover)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:05:30 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>
	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
Message-ID: <DB736AD806414131B3692F1CC01DA526@phingus>

Westlaw has created a special website for persons who are blind or have low
vision.  The URL of that website is "http//text.westlaw.com".  While that
site does not do everything which is available on the larger, far more
complex Westlaw site, it does 90% of what is on that site.  As formally the
Associate General Counsel of a Federal  agency's large appellate court's
program, I frequently recommended that site to my sighted staff.  

	Westlaw provides free telephone instruction by instructors who are
well versed in Jaws.  For years, I took twice weekly lessons from Kent
Rinker, who is an expert with Westlaw and Jaws.  He can be reached at 800
888 9907, extension 82416.  In addition, West  provide technical assistance
by specialists who know Jaws, and will assist in configuring a person's PC
to maximize Westlaw with Jaws.  

	I have found the West Publishing Company to be a highly sensitive
and responsible employer to the needs of persons with  visual difficulties.


Philip Sklover





Philip B. Sklover
 
-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 23:14:56 2009
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:14:56 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1>	<COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>
	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
Message-ID: <4a7a1273.c5c2f10a.0ed5.ffffc9f3@mx.google.com>

Hi,

I use the regular westlaw homepage for most things. If I want a specific
citation, I might use the text-only page. I received individualized Westlaw
training from my firm (because I was the only summer associate in that
particular office), but it was not JAWS-specific. I still found it helpful.

Angie



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 23:20:38 2009
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:20:38 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <DB736AD806414131B3692F1CC01DA526@phingus>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
	<DB736AD806414131B3692F1CC01DA526@phingus>
Message-ID: <4a7a13c9.47c2f10a.0196.7a22@mx.google.com>

Hello Philip,

This is excellent information. I wasn't aware that I could get Westlaw
instruction from people who know JAWS.

I would say, though, that my experience with the text-only site was not as
positive. I did not like the fact that it displayed much less about
individual search results. I like the fact that on the main site, extracts
of the search results containing the terms for which I searched are
displayed. This did not seem to be the case the last time I used the
text-only site. It also did not seem to display as many supplemental
results. Since the main site is accessible with JAWS, I opt for that unless
I know exactly what I want to retrieve. Then, I take advantage of the less
cluttered interface.

Angie



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Sklover
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw

Westlaw has created a special website for persons who are blind or have low
vision.  The URL of that website is "http//text.westlaw.com".  While that
site does not do everything which is available on the larger, far more
complex Westlaw site, it does 90% of what is on that site.  As formally the
Associate General Counsel of a Federal  agency's large appellate court's
program, I frequently recommended that site to my sighted staff.  

	Westlaw provides free telephone instruction by instructors who are
well versed in Jaws.  For years, I took twice weekly lessons from Kent
Rinker, who is an expert with Westlaw and Jaws.  He can be reached at 800
888 9907, extension 82416.  In addition, West  provide technical assistance
by specialists who know Jaws, and will assist in configuring a person's PC
to maximize Westlaw with Jaws.  

	I have found the West Publishing Company to be a highly sensitive
and responsible employer to the needs of persons with  visual difficulties.


Philip Sklover





Philip B. Sklover
 
-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From darlene.olsen at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 00:14:07 2009
From: darlene.olsen at gmail.com (Darlene Olsen)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:14:07 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>
	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
Message-ID: <631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>

Salutations,
     While conducting research at the Sacramento State Law Livrary I used 
Lexis Nexus and West Law databases.  They had a special computer for Zoon 
Tex, however there was not anything for JAWS.  The librarians said that they 
would look into the Jaws software.  I joined a law school and recently asked 
if Jaws is compatible with Lexis Nezxus.  The response is negative and 
honest in that Jaws and Lexis Nexus is clunky and many there are problems 
with these two subjects.
Best Wishes,
Darlene Olsen
First Year Law Student
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Spencer" <craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw


> Hello,
>
> Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
> law offer any additional training for use with jaws?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  6 00:49:56 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:49:56 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>
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	<631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>
Message-ID: <4F4DE26BB85D460388D25905364EADAF@spike>

One of the attorneys that I contract with uses Lexis Nexus for his on line 
research and as I use the attorney's research tools I have used Lexis Nexus 
with haws and had no problem. However, my preference is for Westlaw , I 
guess probably because it is what I first learned with when research done by 
blind lawyers students or paralegals was done in the stacks of a law library 
with a reader. Of course, it has gotten better since then.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darlene Olsen" <darlene.olsen at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw


> Salutations,
>     While conducting research at the Sacramento State Law Livrary I used 
> Lexis Nexus and West Law databases.  They had a special computer for Zoon 
> Tex, however there was not anything for JAWS.  The librarians said that 
> they would look into the Jaws software.  I joined a law school and 
> recently asked if Jaws is compatible with Lexis Nezxus.  The response is 
> negative and honest in that Jaws and Lexis Nexus is clunky and many there 
> are problems with these two subjects.
> Best Wishes,
> Darlene Olsen
> First Year Law Student
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Craig Spencer" <craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
>> law offer any additional training for use with jaws?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 01:16:09 2009
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:16:09 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
	<631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>
Message-ID: <4a7a2edb.c6c1f10a.7144.ffff9c8c@mx.google.com>

Hi,

I'm sorry you were given that information. I found Lexis to be very
accessible with JAWS. There was only one area that I ever found where
buttons were not labeled properly. This had to do with Shepardizing, though
I don't remember the exact context now. I called the customer service line,
and someone was able to replicate the problem and tell me what to do.

I have found that several JAWS commands, like using x and shift-x to move
between check boxes, can make it pretty easy for me to navigate search
results in Lexis. 

I have used JAWS versions 8 and later with both Lexis and Westlaw without
difficulty. I don't know if older versions of JAWS work as well.

Best,

Angie


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Darlene Olsen
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:14 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw

Salutations,
     While conducting research at the Sacramento State Law Livrary I used 
Lexis Nexus and West Law databases.  They had a special computer for Zoon 
Tex, however there was not anything for JAWS.  The librarians said that they

would look into the Jaws software.  I joined a law school and recently asked

if Jaws is compatible with Lexis Nezxus.  The response is negative and 
honest in that Jaws and Lexis Nexus is clunky and many there are problems 
with these two subjects.
Best Wishes,
Darlene Olsen
First Year Law Student
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Spencer" <craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw


> Hello,
>
> Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
> law offer any additional training for use with jaws?
>
>
>
>
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From jazenmazen at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  6 01:42:53 2009
From: jazenmazen at yahoo.com (Mazen)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:42:53 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Announcement
Message-ID: <000001ca1637$373c9510$a5b5bf30$@com>

Dear All,

 

I wanted to let you know that I was recently appointed to the DOJ as Counsel
to the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights. I look forward to
working with all of you to advance the cause of justice for blind persons
and all persons with disabilities. Please feel free to contact me regarding
any matters you think the Civil Rights Division should investigate  or
become involved with. 

 

My new work contact info is:

 

Tell: 202-305-1876 

e-mail: mazen.basrawi at usdoj.gov

 

Please feel free to pass on my contact information appropriately.   

 

 

Sincerely,

 

M~

 

Mazen M. Basrawi 


From chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 02:09:04 2009
From: chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com (mr. |Chikodinaka)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:09:04 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1528def40908051909u510b0175x22ef710a5d64a31b@mail.gmail.com>

mr. Oguledo is it aganst the blind law 2text and use a cane? it is
Aganst the law sightit 2text and drive a car/buss or other
trancepotation so can u use a cane and still use text|messageing?

-- 
Chikodinaka Nickkindidm Oguledo


From darlene.olsen at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 02:36:41 2009
From: darlene.olsen at gmail.com (Darlene Olsen)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:36:41 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Announcement
References: <000001ca1637$373c9510$a5b5bf30$@com>
Message-ID: <D168C25B2A474C24876F52C5FA2E3377@DarleneOlsen>

Congratulations

Sincerely,
Darlene Olsen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mazen" <jazenmazen at yahoo.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Announcement


> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I wanted to let you know that I was recently appointed to the DOJ as 
> Counsel
> to the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights. I look forward to
> working with all of you to advance the cause of justice for blind persons
> and all persons with disabilities. Please feel free to contact me 
> regarding
> any matters you think the Civil Rights Division should investigate  or
> become involved with.
>
>
>
> My new work contact info is:
>
>
>
> Tell: 202-305-1876
>
> e-mail: mazen.basrawi at usdoj.gov
>
>
>
> Please feel free to pass on my contact information appropriately.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> M~
>
>
>
> Mazen M. Basrawi
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  6 08:10:31 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 01:10:31 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1528def40908051909u510b0175x22ef710a5d64a31b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1528def40908051909u510b0175x22ef710a5d64a31b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319585E7121447EB9E26D13F894627A3@spike>

If someone could be coordinated enough to use a cane and text, more power to 
them! Driving of course is a different story. I would be more concerned 
about the potential liability that the blind person would have if they were 
texting while using their cane and were careless causing someone to trip 
over it.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mr. |Chikodinaka" <chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:09 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)


> mr. Oguledo is it aganst the blind law 2text and use a cane? it is
> Aganst the law sightit 2text and drive a car/buss or other
> trancepotation so can u use a cane and still use text|messageing?
>
> -- 
> Chikodinaka Nickkindidm Oguledo
>
> _______________________________________________
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> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From jweisberg at screncilaw.com  Thu Aug  6 12:35:27 2009
From: jweisberg at screncilaw.com (James Weisberg)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:35:27 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
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	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
Message-ID: <FC50B49ED94B8A45A9AA3CE6D096CAED1F3733@2K3FS1.screnci.local>

I use the regular Westlaw homepage with JAWS.  It is very cumbersome and difficult.  I have considered approaching Thomson West about whether they offer JAWS training but have not gotten around to it.  If you find out anything in this regard drop me a line.  Thanks.

James W. Weisberg, Esq. 
Law Office of Stephen W. Screnci, P.A.
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From b75205 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 13:36:19 2009
From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:36:19 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <319585E7121447EB9E26D13F894627A3@spike>
References: <1528def40908051909u510b0175x22ef710a5d64a31b@mail.gmail.com>
	<319585E7121447EB9E26D13F894627A3@spike>
Message-ID: <fe5b78280908060636y7add7d46g3c44355871317857@mail.gmail.com>

Last year I was at the NFB convention escorting people around the Dallas
Anatole Hotel and for the day that you all had the walk across Dallas, I
figured they needed the help that day!  We had quite a few people using
their canes.  Generally poeple knew what they were doing and were gentle
with the cane, but there were a sizeable amount of people who were swinging
that thing around so violently that when it hit it was actually painful.   A
lot of bruises after that event!

And what was interesting was that some of these people who were swinging
simply didn't care at all about what they hit, some through lack of
experience, but there were some who appeared to be doing it on purpose.  The
"In your face" type of thing, but the problem was the people they were
hitting were hotel staff and volunteers like me who came down to help out at
the convention.  We all got to know who was violent with the cane and
avoided them.

So if you were escorted around the Antatole on that day, chances are that
was me. Also I stood in front of that post between the staircase and the
main ballroom and announced the post when people were coming into the main
sessions in the main ballroom so you all knew there was a big post blocking
the way because people were having to find it to navigate around it. And
with a few hundred people with canes it caused the crowd to get held up.   I
suggest in future conventions that they get some volunteers to do this
because it really saves time in moving crowds of people if there is someone
standing in front of an obstacle to announce it.

James Pepper

From DFrye at nfb.org  Thu Aug  6 14:41:49 2009
From: DFrye at nfb.org (Frye, Dan)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:41:49 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <fe5b78280908060636y7add7d46g3c44355871317857@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B012C0A3F@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>

List Colleagues:
I'm not sure what exactly inspired this post. It seems unrelated to law,
the legal profession, or blindness. Despite a few problems that are
inherent in a large group dynamic, the NFB conventions run smoothly
because of independent, self-sufficient convention participants, the use
of marshals to announce important landmarks, and the occasional
volunteer to be of assistance to people who require support for one
reason or another. In short, convention operations are a pretty well
oiled machine that succeed because of good community spirit, effective
organizational planning, and established support systems.

Thank you, James, for any role you may have played in improving the 2008
operations of the Dallas convention. Mostly, though, I think we're
fairly aware of and responsive to the logistical planning that is
required for producing an excellent conference. Nevertheless, I'll pass
your feedback along to convention planners so that they can give your
post the attention that it merits.

***********************
Daniel B. Frye, J.D.
Associate Editor
The Braille Monitor
National Federation of the Blind
Office of the President
1800 Johnson Street
Baltimore, Maryland 21230
Telephone: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2208
Mobile: (410) 241-7006
Fax: (410) 685-5653
Email: DFrye at nfb.org
Web Address: www.nfb.org
"Voice of the Nation's Blind"
The Braille literacy crisis in America jeopardizes opportunities for
blind people throughout the country.
You can be part of the solution. 


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of James Pepper
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:36 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] (no subject)

Last year I was at the NFB convention escorting people around the Dallas
Anatole Hotel and for the day that you all had the walk across Dallas, I
figured they needed the help that day!  We had quite a few people using
their canes.  Generally poeple knew what they were doing and were gentle
with the cane, but there were a sizeable amount of people who were
swinging
that thing around so violently that when it hit it was actually painful.
A
lot of bruises after that event!

And what was interesting was that some of these people who were swinging
simply didn't care at all about what they hit, some through lack of
experience, but there were some who appeared to be doing it on purpose.
The "In your face" type of thing, but the problem was the people they
were hitting were hotel staff and volunteers like me who came down to
help out at the convention.  We all got to know who was violent with the
cane and avoided them.

So if you were escorted around the Antatole on that day, chances are
that was me. Also I stood in front of that post between the staircase
and the main ballroom and announced the post when people were coming
into the main sessions in the main ballroom so you all knew there was a
big post blocking the way because people were having to find it to
navigate around it. And
with a few hundred people with canes it caused the crowd to get held up.
I
suggest in future conventions that they get some volunteers to do this
because it really saves time in moving crowds of people if there is
someone standing in front of an obstacle to announce it.

James Pepper
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From jrelton at verizon.net  Thu Aug  6 15:02:10 2009
From: jrelton at verizon.net (Joy Relton)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:02:10 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>
Message-ID: <538D69E5B09A4D1B9A48476032D98ACE@JoyRelton>

OH Darlene that is sad news. I used Nexus Lexis many years ago with JAWS and
like it very much because I could type in a whole string search and get the
information quickly. I've had limited use with Westlaw but they certainly
have a reputation for accessibility.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Darlene Olsen
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:14 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw


Salutations,
     While conducting research at the Sacramento State Law Livrary I used 
Lexis Nexus and West Law databases.  They had a special computer for Zoon 
Tex, however there was not anything for JAWS.  The librarians said that they

would look into the Jaws software.  I joined a law school and recently asked

if Jaws is compatible with Lexis Nezxus.  The response is negative and 
honest in that Jaws and Lexis Nexus is clunky and many there are problems 
with these two subjects.
Best Wishes,
Darlene Olsen
First Year Law Student
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Spencer" <craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw


> Hello,
>
> Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does 
> west
> law offer any additional training for use with jaws?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov  Thu Aug  6 15:33:29 2009
From: Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov (Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS))
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:33:29 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Westlaw, Error in Internet Address
Message-ID: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F60413DE10@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov>

In my original note on this subject, see below, I just noticed I made a
typo in the web page for Westlaw that was designed for small wireless
device screens, and thus is a nice simple and clean layout that JAWS
likes.  The correct address is:

www.wireless.westlaw.com

 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS)
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:43 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw

I believe most of us use the www.text.westlaw.com version, and now there
is the very streamlined www.sireless.westlaw.com which works fine with
screen readers.  Westlaw used to provide training for free upon request,
and at least one of their trainers learned JAWS, and was very good at
explaining matters with JAWS in mind.  He since left, but hopefully West
has trained someone else on JAWS.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does
west law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From PMaurer at nfb.org  Thu Aug  6 15:58:58 2009
From: PMaurer at nfb.org (Maurer, Patricia)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:58:58 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] How many children in America are not taught to read?
Message-ID: <auto-000113299196@mailfront2.g2host.com>


----------
From: Marc Maurer [mailto:outreach at nfb.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Maurer, Patricia
Subject: How many children in America are not taught to read?

The answer is 90 percent if the children are blind.  Most Americans 
are shocked to hear this statistic.  And we should be.  The blind 
read and write using Braille, so why is our educational system 
failing to teach Braille to so many children?  Why are these children 
being denied the opportunities that come with a proper 
education?  What if you could not read and write?  Where would you be today?

There are three primary reasons for this educational crisis: (1) 
there are not enough Braille teachers; (2) some teachers of blind 
children have not received enough training; and (3) many educators do 
not think Braille instruction is even necessary.

To bring critically-needed attention to this educational crisis, the 
United States Congress authorized the minting of the 2009 Louis 
Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar with a portion of the sale of each 
coin going toward a revolutionary and comprehensive Braille literacy 
campaign.

Learning to read and write is fundamental to education, which in turn 
is paramount to full and equal participation in American 
society.  This coin, the first U.S. coin to have proper tactile 
Braille, symbolizes independence, opportunity, and the potential of 
blind people to make significant contributions to society when they 
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From craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 21:41:53 2009
From: craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com (Craig Spencer)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:41:53 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl><031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
	<FC50B49ED94B8A45A9AA3CE6D096CAED1F3733@2K3FS1.screnci.local>
Message-ID: <00a901ca16de$b80eaa00$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>

Thanks everyone for this discussion.
I had a talk with Kent Rinker as suggested.  Working with text.westlaw.com 
seems very efficient with jaws.  But also working with westlaw.com could be 
very useful.  I will be in contact with him in the future.

  He can be reached at 800
888 9907, extension 82416

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw


>I use the regular Westlaw homepage with JAWS.  It is very cumbersome and 
>difficult.  I have considered approaching Thomson West about whether they 
>offer JAWS training but have not gotten around to it.  If you find out 
>anything in this regard drop me a line.  Thanks.
>
> James W. Weisberg, Esq.
> Law Office of Stephen W. Screnci, P.A.
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From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 21:45:31 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:45:31 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
Message-ID: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>

Hello All.

 

Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have tried
the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services for
a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the old
attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me to
do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
worked for in order to get referrals.

 

My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the local
bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.  

 

Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a blind
paralegal a second thought where I am.

 

William


From rfarber at jw.com  Thu Aug  6 22:42:45 2009
From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:42:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
In-Reply-To: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
Message-ID: <8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F10C5B4454@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com>

William - Instead of a mass mailing, how about spending time at the
courthouse watching motions to determine solo practitioners or small
firms that may need your assistance.  You could then approach them in
person.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of WB
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:46 PM
To: BlindLaw
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal

Hello All.

 

Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have
tried
the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services
for
a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the
old
attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me
to
do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
worked for in order to get referrals.

 

My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the
local
bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.  

 

Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a
blind
paralegal a second thought where I am.

 

William

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From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 00:47:45 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:47:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
In-Reply-To: <8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F10C5B4454@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com>
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
	<8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F10C5B4454@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com>
Message-ID: <001301ca16f8$b17bedf0$1473c9d0$@com>

Thanks!  That's a really great idea that I didn't think about.  I'm
definitely going to try that out.

William

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Farber, Randy
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:43 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal

William - Instead of a mass mailing, how about spending time at the
courthouse watching motions to determine solo practitioners or small
firms that may need your assistance.  You could then approach them in
person.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of WB
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:46 PM
To: BlindLaw
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal

Hello All.

 

Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have
tried
the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services
for
a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the
old
attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me
to
do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
worked for in order to get referrals.

 

My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the
local
bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.  

 

Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a
blind
paralegal a second thought where I am.

 

William

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From mpeskoe at insightbb.com  Fri Aug  7 00:58:52 2009
From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:58:52 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?
Message-ID: <162BCD4655D14D939CC530F88911A358@Melanie>

Hello,
I am taking the LSAT in December and currently working with LSAC to
coordinate accommodations.  I am considering taking the large print version
of the test and I'd like to talk with others who have chosen this option.  I
would like to know what the test "looks like."  Is it on legal sized paper,
or standard paper? Did you get extra scratch paper to draw diagrams? What
does the nonscanable answer sheet look like?  Lastly, are you glad you took
the large print LSAT or do you wish you would have taken it in another
format?  Thanks in advance for your time and feedback.
Sincerely,
Melanie

From darlene.olsen at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 03:38:30 2009
From: darlene.olsen at gmail.com (Darlene Olsen)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:38:30 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
Message-ID: <024D52F98AA045FF956486D81AEF833D@DarleneOlsen>

Dear William,
     I know of a couple of attorneys in the Napa Valley area of California 
that search for free-lance paralegals to complete workers compensation 
issues (under the direction of the attorney) and a friend that works 
free-lance as a immigration specialist for attorneys.  The Napa Emergency 
Women Services (NEWS) has a staff of three paralegals to assist in 
restraining orders for  battered women inemergency situations.If they are 
not available then free-lance would be needed.   (available 24 hours per 
day).
ABC Channel 7 News Station, San Francisco utilizes paralegals for the media 
coverage to prevent slander, litigation etc.
Sacramento State Capitol has on past occassions utilized paralegals for 
senat sub-committee hearings.  There is an agency with five office spread 
out through California representing people with disabilities in various 
areas of law.  Many of the staff are disabled.  They are called, "Disability 
Rights of California, 1000 Howe Ave., Sacramento, California, 95825
Queen of the Valley Hospital request the aid of paralegals from time e to 
time,  in Napa, California for patients.
I know one paralegal that has a Notary Public business that travels and 
charges accordingly.
Disability Services and Legal Center, Napa, California, 94558 could use a 
paralegal from time to time.  They have a staff of three attorney.  I 
strongly suggest that you be proactive and think out of the box.    Perhaps, 
you could   Leave a businesscard with the   law librarians to introduce you 
to other professional persons needing paralegals in a court house.  Napa has 
a local television station  that speaks to members of the area to showcase 
the skills of persons available to the community, (Channel 58).
Legal clinics could offer a great opportunity for employment.  Think Tanks, 
i.e. Brookings Institute.  Internet companies such as, Google. Microsoft, 
etc. may be interested in having a free-lance paralegal on staff.
The local college or university could use a paralegal for the paralegal 
classes that may need assistance from attorneys teaching classes.
There is an attorney that frequently hires paralegals for research topics. 
There are two attorneys in downtown Napa, California that use paralegals for 
many tasks, i.e.: mock trial weekend seminars, paralegals select a jury and 
research a script to offer each side the area of the case to win or lose.
 The Suscol Tribal Council has requested the knowledge of a paralegal for 
permit information or research to build on Native American land.     I have 
never had opportunity to wander into Texas.  Thus, please ignore if these 
suggestions do not stand up to the agency or opportunities available to you 
in that area of the United States.
Respectfully yours,
Darlene Olsen
Paralegal in Napa, California.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "BlindLaw" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal


> Hello All.
>
>
>
> Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have tried
> the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services 
> for
> a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the old
> attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
> firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me to
> do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
> outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
> worked for in order to get referrals.
>
>
>
> My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the 
> local
> bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
> there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.
>
>
>
> Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a blind
> paralegal a second thought where I am.
>
>
>
> William
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  7 06:08:00 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:08:00 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
In-Reply-To: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
Message-ID: <23E30CDFAD4F41E181F3948E23524BF0@spike>

try some of the suggestions that I posted previously as far as networking. 
It does take time and much involves being at the right place at the right 
time.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "BlindLaw" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal


> Hello All.
>
>
>
> Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have tried
> the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services 
> for
> a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the old
> attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
> firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me to
> do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
> outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
> worked for in order to get referrals.
>
>
>
> My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the 
> local
> bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
> there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.
>
>
>
> Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a blind
> paralegal a second thought where I am.
>
>
>
> William
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  7 06:14:13 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:14:13 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
In-Reply-To: <8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F10C5B4454@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com>
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
	<8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F10C5B4454@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com>
Message-ID: <7D08CA52BDF741008CA32A454B1F9D66@spike>

This works well as it is one of the things that I have done. I also try to 
keep with news items about law suits that have been filed and at times 
contact those attorneys. I have also contacted attorneys from out of town 
who are in the needing assistance on a particular case they may be trying.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno a 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Farber, Randy" <rfarber at jw.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal


> William - Instead of a mass mailing, how about spending time at the
> courthouse watching motions to determine solo practitioners or small
> firms that may need your assistance.  You could then approach them in
> person.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of WB
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:46 PM
> To: BlindLaw
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
>
> Hello All.
>
>
>
> Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have
> tried
> the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services
> for
> a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the
> old
> attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
> firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me
> to
> do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
> outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
> worked for in order to get referrals.
>
>
>
> My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the
> local
> bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
> there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.
>
>
>
> Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a
> blind
> paralegal a second thought where I am.
>
>
>
> William
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  7 06:56:06 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:56:06 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
In-Reply-To: <024D52F98AA045FF956486D81AEF833D@DarleneOlsen>
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
	<024D52F98AA045FF956486D81AEF833D@DarleneOlsen>
Message-ID: <B66AA7D0572B433A92495E037814D0C7@spike>

Its good to know that there is at least one other active paralegal in 
California.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darlene Olsen" <darlene.olsen at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal


> Dear William,
>     I know of a couple of attorneys in the Napa Valley area of California 
> that search for free-lance paralegals to complete workers compensation 
> issues (under the direction of the attorney) and a friend that works 
> free-lance as a immigration specialist for attorneys.  The Napa Emergency 
> Women Services (NEWS) has a staff of three paralegals to assist in 
> restraining orders for  battered women inemergency situations.If they are 
> not available then free-lance would be needed.   (available 24 hours per 
> day).
> ABC Channel 7 News Station, San Francisco utilizes paralegals for the 
> media coverage to prevent slander, litigation etc.
> Sacramento State Capitol has on past occassions utilized paralegals for 
> senat sub-committee hearings.  There is an agency with five office spread 
> out through California representing people with disabilities in various 
> areas of law.  Many of the staff are disabled.  They are called, 
> "Disability Rights of California, 1000 Howe Ave., Sacramento, California, 
> 95825
> Queen of the Valley Hospital request the aid of paralegals from time e to 
> time,  in Napa, California for patients.
> I know one paralegal that has a Notary Public business that travels and 
> charges accordingly.
> Disability Services and Legal Center, Napa, California, 94558 could use a 
> paralegal from time to time.  They have a staff of three attorney.  I 
> strongly suggest that you be proactive and think out of the box. 
> Perhaps, you could   Leave a businesscard with the   law librarians to 
> introduce you to other professional persons needing paralegals in a court 
> house.  Napa has a local television station  that speaks to members of the 
> area to showcase the skills of persons available to the community, 
> (Channel 58).
> Legal clinics could offer a great opportunity for employment.  Think 
> Tanks, i.e. Brookings Institute.  Internet companies such as, Google. 
> Microsoft, etc. may be interested in having a free-lance paralegal on 
> staff.
> The local college or university could use a paralegal for the paralegal 
> classes that may need assistance from attorneys teaching classes.
> There is an attorney that frequently hires paralegals for research topics. 
> There are two attorneys in downtown Napa, California that use paralegals 
> for many tasks, i.e.: mock trial weekend seminars, paralegals select a 
> jury and research a script to offer each side the area of the case to win 
> or lose.
> The Suscol Tribal Council has requested the knowledge of a paralegal for 
> permit information or research to build on Native American land.     I 
> have never had opportunity to wander into Texas.  Thus, please ignore if 
> these suggestions do not stand up to the agency or opportunities available 
> to you in that area of the United States.
> Respectfully yours,
> Darlene Olsen
> Paralegal in Napa, California.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> To: "BlindLaw" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:45 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
>
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have 
>> tried
>> the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services 
>> for
>> a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the old
>> attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
>> firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me to
>> do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
>> outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
>> worked for in order to get referrals.
>>
>>
>>
>> My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the 
>> local
>> bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
>> there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a 
>> blind
>> paralegal a second thought where I am.
>>
>>
>>
>> William
>>
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From kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com  Fri Aug  7 09:46:17 2009
From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com (Kolby Garrison)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 05:46:17 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography Inquiry
Message-ID: <2D57D736C06847FEB55A101C4C87FE86@YOURXBFO0REXEG>

Hello Everyone,
I am interested in investigating the possibility of becoming a stenographer
and/or court reporter, but I have no idea where to begin. If there are any
resources that anyone can direct me to I would appreciate it.
Thank you,
Kolby


From DFrye at nfb.org  Fri Aug  7 12:11:30 2009
From: DFrye at nfb.org (Frye, Dan)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:11:30 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography Inquiry
In-Reply-To: <2D57D736C06847FEB55A101C4C87FE86@YOURXBFO0REXEG>
Message-ID: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B012C0D9C@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>

Kolby:

Sandy Halverson of Virginia is an accomplished court reporter, who uses
all kinds of technology and personal skill to successfully perform her
job. Sandy is totally blind, and she is a highly sought after court
reporter. I suggest you get in touch with Sandy; she can probably
provide you with excellent resources and information about pursuing your
vocational objective. Her contact details follow:

(703) 379-1141 (Home)
sandyh2 at earthlink.net or sandyh50 at comcast.net

Good luck.

Dan Frye 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Kolby Garrison
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:46 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography Inquiry

Hello Everyone,
I am interested in investigating the possibility of becoming a
stenographer and/or court reporter, but I have no idea where to begin.
If there are any resources that anyone can direct me to I would
appreciate it.
Thank you,
Kolby

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From craig.borne at dot.gov  Mon Aug 10 15:12:46 2009
From: craig.borne at dot.gov (craig.borne at dot.gov)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:12:46 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Job Opportunities with NHTSA
Message-ID: <61017FCC3706464B8ACB770A8038174E61C0CD@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov>

________________________________

From: Trujillo, Rose (NHTSA) 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:09 AM



 

 

8/10/2009

General Engineer - (Enforcement) - GS - 0801 - 13 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82463151&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D27
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=17514&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort
=dt&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=67&SUBMIT1.y=11> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

86,927.00+ 

8/14/2009

Program Analyst - GS - 0343 - 09 / 11 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82111909&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D14
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=17514&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort
=dt&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=67&SUBMIT1.y=11> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

50,408.00+ 

8/14/2009

Program Manager - GS - 0340 - 15 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82105100&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D14
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=17514&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort
=dt&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=67&SUBMIT1.y=11> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

120,830.00+ 

8/17/2009

Safety Defects Specialist - GS - 0301 - 13 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82485617&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D28
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=17514&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort
=dt&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=67&SUBMIT1.y=11> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

86,927.00+ 

8/24/2009

Mechanical Engineer - GS - 0830 - 13 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82382830&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D22
+14%3A06%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=17514&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort
=dt&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=67&SUBMIT1.y=11> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

86,927.00+ 

 

 

 

 

Loyola (Rose) Trujillo

Director, Office of Civil Rights

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 

U.S. Department of Transportation

1200 New Jersey Avenue S.E.  (W-43-324)

Washington, D.C.  20590

202-366-0972 office line

202-366-6795 direct line

202-492-2799 cell

 

 


From craig.borne at dot.gov  Mon Aug 10 15:14:21 2009
From: craig.borne at dot.gov (craig.borne at dot.gov)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:14:21 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] More Job Opportunities from NHTSA
Message-ID: <61017FCC3706464B8ACB770A8038174E61C0D0@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov>

________________________________

From: Trujillo, Rose (NHTSA) 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:12 AM



 

8/13/2009

Program Assistant - GS - 0303 - 07 / 08 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82536333&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D30
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=316&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort=d
t&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=64&SUBMIT1.y=12> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-OH-Throughout Ohio

38,117.00+ 

8/14/2009

Program Analyst - GS - 0343 - 09 / 11 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82111909&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D14
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=316&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort=d
t&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=64&SUBMIT1.y=12> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

50,408.00+ 

 

 


From b75205 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 16:40:25 2009
From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:40:25 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Voter registration forms
Message-ID: <fe5b78280908100940s1795d480w985023722005221f@mail.gmail.com>

We are looking for people who have had trouble filling out voter
registration forms.  Particularly the National Voter Registration form for
the United States of America which is a PDF form published by the Elections
Assistance Commission.  This also applies to state forms which require you
to draw a map of where you live on the form.  Has anyone here who is blind
suceeded in this task? Has anyone used free screen readers to fill out these
forms, all of the forms and undertand all of the content so there is a
meeting of the minds?


Sincerely,

James G. Pepper

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Aug 11 17:31:57 2009
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:31:57 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?
In-Reply-To: <162BCD4655D14D939CC530F88911A358@Melanie>
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D8F278F8A@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

Hundreds of years ago, I took the LSAT using the allegedly large print that the LSAC provided.  The large print was just a blow-up of the regular print test, and therefore had horrible quality.  I recommend that you ask for a sample of the large print that the LSAC uses before committing to taking the test that way.  If I had to do it all over, I would use a reader as I did not do as well on the LSAT as I could have.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melanie Peskoe
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:59 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Hello,
I am taking the LSAT in December and currently working with LSAC to coordinate accommodations.  I am considering taking the large print version of the test and I'd like to talk with others who have chosen this option.  I would like to know what the test "looks like."  Is it on legal sized paper, or standard paper? Did you get extra scratch paper to draw diagrams? What does the nonscanable answer sheet look like?  Lastly, are you glad you took the large print LSAT or do you wish you would have taken it in another format?  Thanks in advance for your time and feedback.
Sincerely,
Melanie
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From mpeskoe at insightbb.com  Tue Aug 11 20:17:01 2009
From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:17:01 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?
In-Reply-To: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D8F278F8A@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
References: <162BCD4655D14D939CC530F88911A358@Melanie>
	<E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D8F278F8A@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <6FF35764005C47CDBB4250842530826B@Melanie>

Thank You Noel for your response.  I will take your advice and ask for a
sample.  The other thing I'm struggling with is whether to ask for a scribe
or an unscannable answer sheet.  From what I've learned from LSAC (the
person with whom I spoke didn't seem to know the answer exactly) the
unscannable answer sheet is the same format and the scantron except that you
circle the letter rather than filling in a circle.  This would still create
the same problem of not being able to keep track of which line I am on, etc.
I find that I have a much more difficult time absorbing material if I hear
it rather than read it visually.  I'm not sure what I'll do yet.  Thanks
again for your response.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:32 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Hundreds of years ago, I took the LSAT using the allegedly large print that
the LSAC provided.  The large print was just a blow-up of the regular print
test, and therefore had horrible quality.  I recommend that you ask for a
sample of the large print that the LSAC uses before committing to taking the
test that way.  If I had to do it all over, I would use a reader as I did
not do as well on the LSAT as I could have.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Melanie Peskoe
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:59 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Hello,
I am taking the LSAT in December and currently working with LSAC to
coordinate accommodations.  I am considering taking the large print version
of the test and I'd like to talk with others who have chosen this option.  I
would like to know what the test "looks like."  Is it on legal sized paper,
or standard paper? Did you get extra scratch paper to draw diagrams? What
does the nonscanable answer sheet look like?  Lastly, are you glad you took
the large print LSAT or do you wish you would have taken it in another
format?  Thanks in advance for your time and feedback.
Sincerely,
Melanie
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From bspiry at comcast.net  Tue Aug 11 23:10:42 2009
From: bspiry at comcast.net (Bill Spiry)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:10:42 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?
Message-ID: <mailman.22.1771244943.730098.blindlaw_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Ask for a  scribe, time is precious enough while testing so eliminate the need to visually check accuracy. It works fine. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Melanie Peskoe <mpeskoe at insightbb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:17 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Thank You Noel for your response.  I will take your advice and ask for a
sample.  The other thing I'm struggling with is whether to ask for a scribe
or an unscannable answer sheet.  From what I've learned from LSAC (the
person with whom I spoke didn't seem to know the answer exactly) the
unscannable answer sheet is the same format and the scantron except that you
circle the letter rather than filling in a circle.  This would still create
the same problem of not being able to keep track of which line I am on, etc

From angie.matney at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 23:37:17 2009
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:37:17 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?
In-Reply-To: <4a81fffc.0602be0a.4087.075aSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <4a81fffc.0602be0a.4087.075aSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4a8200a9.1e035a0a.5b94.ffff9876@mx.google.com>

I wholeheartedly agree. I took it in Braille, though, so I needed a scribe. 

If you are concerned about accuracy (I was, particularly after my scribe
informed me, just before we started: "Just so you know, I'm a little hard of
hearing"), ask the scribe to repeat the number and the letter of your answer
choice for each question before writing it down.

Good luck,

Angie



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Spiry
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:11 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Ask for a  scribe, time is precious enough while testing so eliminate the
need to visually check accuracy. It works fine. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Melanie Peskoe <mpeskoe at insightbb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:17 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Thank You Noel for your response.  I will take your advice and ask for a
sample.  The other thing I'm struggling with is whether to ask for a scribe
or an unscannable answer sheet.  From what I've learned from LSAC (the
person with whom I spoke didn't seem to know the answer exactly) the
unscannable answer sheet is the same format and the scantron except that you
circle the letter rather than filling in a circle.  This would still create
the same problem of not being able to keep track of which line I am on, etc
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Aug 12 14:55:20 2009
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:55:20 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] PT Job at Microsoft - Ref#20411455
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D91C18BC1@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

Fyi! 

-----Original Message-----
From: Heidi Baxter [mailto:hbaxter at baxter-law.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:36 PM
To: MAMAS Mother Attorneys Mentoring Assoc. of Seattle Job Postings
Subject: [mamas_jobs] PT Job at Microsoft - Ref#20411455

Heidi Baxter posted:

Please contact Allison Williams with any questions at alliwil at microsoft.com if you or anyone else you know may be interested.  Thanks so much.  The job description is below.

 

Title:  Attorney 

This position is eligible for the following work arrangements:  Part-Time

 

Looking for some of the most interesting legal work around?  Want to be directly involved in creating excitement around a range of great Microsoft technologies, software and services throughout the world?  If so, Microsoft is looking for you!

 

The Server and Tools Business (STB) is looking for a part-time experienced attorney to join the Legal and Corporate Affairs (LCA) department at our global headquarters in Redmond, Washington.  STB is a thriving business with approximately US$13 billion in annual revenue.  STB develops and markets products and services that are widely used by enterprises and developer communities, such as Windows Server, SQL Server, Visual Studio, the System Center suite of systems management products and the Forefront suite of security products.

 

This attorney will work as part of a team to support the Developer and Platform Evangelism (DPE) organization in STB.  DPE is a critical business team that collaborates widely with other product and business teams across STB and Microsoft to evangelize and advance adoption of a broad range of Microsoft technologies, efforts which are critical to Microsoft's success as a platform technology company.  The successful candidate will need to demonstrate ingenuity, drive, and experience needed to devise creative solutions and identify "smart risks" to help achieve business goals.  The attorney will work closely with all levels of Microsoft executives, managers and employees, as well as outside customers and partners.

 

Primary responsibilities:

-     Work directly with executives and business development, technology evangelist and marketing teams to analyze and address legal issues across a wide array of customer and partner programs and engagements.

-     Advise executives and other internal business clients on a broad range of complex and rapidly developing legal and business issues, such as intellectual property (including open source software), interoperability, marketing, competition law and privacy.

 

-     Structure, draft, negotiate and advise on a wide range of agreements with global business customers and partners, including agreements for strategic alliances and joint marketing, software development and collaboration, outbound and inbound licenses for software and online services and other customer and partner engagements.

-     Partner with clients to understand and advise on cutting edge Microsoft business strategy and use of technologies. 

-     Collaborate with other attorneys and legal professionals at Microsoft to resolve cross-group issues and projects efficiently and effectively.

 

We are looking for an attorney who meets the following basic requirements:

-     Admitted to practice law in the US.

-     Minimum of 6 years of law firm or relevant in-house experience.

-     Software licensing and marketing experience; familiarity with competition law a strong plus.

-     Outstanding analytical, organizational, and communication skills.

-     Working knowledge or strong interest in learning more about computer software and Internet technologies.

-     Keen business sense, ability to think strategically and focus on establishing a "trusted advisor" relationship with executives and other business clients.

-     Demonstrated ability to work efficiently, meet demanding deadlines in a fast-paced environment, prioritize workflow and adjust to frequent workload fluctuations.

-     Strong results orientation and customer focus.

-     Desire and ability to work as part of a team.

-     Demonstrated ability to work independently with limited supervision, working with a variety of personalities across a large number of diverse internal groups, teams and cultures.

-     Willingness to have fun.

 

The above description has been designed to indicate the general nature and level of work performed by an employee in this position.  The actual duties, responsibilities and qualifications may vary.  Microsoft is an Equal Opportunity Employer and supports workforce diversity.

 

 

Allison Williams  l  Senior Staffing Consultant for Legal and Corporate Affairs  l  Microsoft Corporation  l  425.538.7033  l  alliwil at microsoft.com

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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 13 07:44:20 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:44:20 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: I NEED HELP TO FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE
	CALIFORNIA MEDICAL BOARD FOR ALLOWIN
Message-ID: <4E1C1DF4619E497D97F8E929DBC51A3C@spike>

Many of us who are chapter presidents in California received this email shown below. While there may be some issues surrounding statute of limitations that I found when I followed up by telephone with Mr. Kempe today there are some issues that I think are valid. He is working with an attorney that moved to California but has  not yet taken the California bar exam. Although I will be reviewing this with one of the attorneys I work for I am interested in any other suggestions or if someone has had experience with this as well. Contact me off list if needed.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Supernicecatch at aol.com 
To: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: I NEED HELP TO FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE CALIFORNIA MEDICAL BOARD FOR ALLOWIN


I NEED HELP TO FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE CALIFORNIA MEDICAL BOARD FOR ALLOWING LASIK DOCTORS TO OPERATE ON PATIENTS WITH HIGH AND/OR ABNORMAL PRESSURE, PIGMENTATION DISPERSION SYNDROME AND EVEN AFTER A FEW MONTHS FOLLOW UP NEVER GIVING MEDICATION, TAKING VISUAL FIELD TESTS-NEVER TELLING PATIENTS THEY WILL GO BLIND IF THEY DO NOT LOWER PRESSURE AND NEVER LOWERED PRESSURE AT ANY TIME AND WHEN AHEAD WITH LASIK, AND THE MEDICAL BOARD SAW ALL ON MEDICAL CHARTS AND FOUND LASIK DOCTORS DID NOTHING WRONG, YET PATIENTS GO BLIND WITH SAME DOCTORS AFTER LASIK FOR SAME REASONS.  THE MEDICAL BOARD IGNORES PATIENTS AND NEVER RESPONDS.

MARTIN KEMPE 310-275-8072 OR 310-622-3662

I AM LEGALLY BLIND FROM THIS ORDEAL IN BOTH EYES AT AGE 38


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Aug 13 22:29:09 2009
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:29:09 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D91C18BED@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



________________________________
From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:10 PM
To: jobs at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Jobs] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice



________________________________
From: Hunter, Sue [mailto:Sue.Hunter at usdoj.gov]
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:04 PM
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Subject: FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice


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 *   SENIOR-LEVEL ATTORNEY, ETHICS OFFICER NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, D.C. This announcement closes on August 27 , 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/senior-level-attorney.htm>
Date posted: 08-12-2009
 *   UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION FOREIGN INVESTMENT REVIEW STAFF EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY / GS-14 to GS-15 Applications must be postmarked by September 4, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/firs-atty-announcement-final-v2.htm>
Date posted: 08-12-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF ARKANSAS VACANCY NUMBER: 09-EDAR-03 POSTED 08-11-2009 All applications must be postmarked by August 28, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-edar-03.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS U.S. MEDICAL CENTER FOR FEDERAL PRISONERS SPRINGFIELD, MISSOURI ATTORNEY-ADVISOR GS-905-12/13/14 This position is open until filled, but no later than August 25, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/springfieldattyaug2009-mem.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, APPELLATE SECTION TRIAL ATTORNEY/GS-905-12 to 15 This position is open until September 9, 2009. Faxes or e-mails must be received by 12 midnight (EST) of the closing date.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/attorney-appellate-2009.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION ASSET FORFEITURE AND MONEY LAUNDERING SECTION DEPUTY CHIEF, GS-905-15 09-CRM-AFMLS-030 All applications must be received by August 31, 2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/deputychief-afmls2.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION ASSET FORFEITURE AND MONEY LAUNDERING SECTION TRIAL ATTORNEY, GS-13/14/15 09-CRM-AFMLS-031 All applications must be received August 31, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/attorneygs13-14-15afmls.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA 09-SDCA-02 Application materials must be postmarked by the deadline date of August 31, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-sdca-02.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   ATTORNEY-ADVISOR U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL WASHINGTON, D.C. Application Deadline is August 17, 2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-olc-attorneyadvisor.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE OF LEGAL PROGRAMS AND POLICY STAFF ATTORNEY-ADVISOR, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 09-EOUSA-51 Open: 8/10/2009 Close: 8/28/2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-eousa-51.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA Application Deadline is Monday, August 24, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-wdpa-ausa-01.htm>
Date posted: 08-10-2009
 *   SPECIAL ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA - OAKLAND BRANCH Applications must be received by AUGUST 21, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-ndca-e-03sausa-oakland.htm>
Date posted: 08-10-2009
 *   DIRECTOR ES-905 OFFICE OF ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS CRIMINAL DIVISION U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, DC 09-CRM-SES-01 Applications MUST BE RECEIVED BY 11:59 OF THE CLOSING DATE, WHICH HAS BEEN EXTENDED FROM AUGUST 7 TO AUGUST 28, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-crm-ses-01.htm>
Date posted: 08-07-2009
 *   UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION EXPERIENCED TRIAL ATTORNEY, GS-905-14/15 COUNTERTERRORISM SECTION (CTS) Applications will be handled on a rolling basis until all available positions are filled.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/cts-trial-attorney.htm>
Date posted: 08-07-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE U.S. TRUSTEE'S OFFICE -- DES MOINES, IOWA TRIAL ATTORNEY Applications must be postmarked by the closing date of August 21, 2009 and will be accepted up to five calendar days after the closing date.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-ust-ia-trialatty.htm>
Date posted: 08-06-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE U.S. TRUSTEE'S OFFICE -- LOS ANGELES, CA TRIAL ATTORNEY Applications must be postmarked by the closing date of August 14, 2009 and will be accepted up to five calendar days after the closing date.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-ust-trial-laca.htm>
Date posted: 08-06-2009
 *   ATTORNEY-ADVISOR CIVIL DIVISION, OFFICE OF POLICY AND MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS WASHINGTON, DC Application materials must be submitted no later than August 11, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/opmo-attorney-advisor-080509.htm>
Date posted: 08-05-2009
 *   EXPERIENCED TRIAL ATTORNEYS UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION COUNTERESPIONAGE SECTION Please submit applications by August 12, 2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-nsd-espionage-dc.htm>
Date posted: 08-04-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 09-AUSA-NM-3 Applications must be postmarked by August 17, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/ausaalbswb-09-ausa-nm-3.htm>
Date posted: 08-03-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE U.S. TRUSTEE PROGRAM -- WICHITA, KANSAS ASSISTANT U.S. TRUSTEE This position will be open until August 21, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/aust-wichita-2009-new.htm>
Date posted: 07-31-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION OFFICE OF OVERSEAS PROSECUTORIAL DEVELOPMENT, ASSISTANCE AND TRAINING EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY / GS-14 to GS-15 Applications will be accepted until October 15, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/mexico-city-rla-final.htm>
Date posted: 07-30-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK NEW YORK, NEW YORK Positions are open until filled.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/ausa-announcement.htm>
Date posted: 07-29-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION OFFICE OF OVERSEAS PROSECUTORIAL DEVELOPMENT, ASSISTANCE AND TRAINING RESIDENT LEGAL ADVISOR FOR SERBIA This vacancy announcement will remain open until filled.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-crm-serbia.htm>
Date posted: 07-28-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY (14-Month Term) UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS FT. WORTH, TEXAS July 28, 2009 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT #09-NDTX-AUSA-F01 Applications must be postmarked by August 11, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-usao-ndtx-ausa-f01.htm>
Date posted: 07-28-2009
 *   CHIEF, FRAUD SECTION ES-905 FRAUD SECTION CRIMINAL DIVISION U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, D.C. 09-CRM-SES-02 MUST BE RECEIVED BY 11:59 OF THE CLOSING DATE, AUGUST 21, 2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-crm-ses-02.htm>
Date posted: 07-28-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 09-NFLAUSA-03 Applications must be received by COB (5:00 Eastern) on August 10, 2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-usao-nflausa-03.htm>
Date posted: 07-28-2009

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From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov  Mon Aug 17 20:52:38 2009
From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/CBC))
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:52:38 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Gary Norman - Ten Outstanding Young Americans
Message-ID: <BBA045412218F84A8C4ED7B65BED5EE1076C9AC7@AVN3VS002.ees.hhs.gov>

See link below about my selection for a prestigious national award.
Thanks.

Sincerely,

Gary Norman

http://www.usjaycees.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19
7:2009-ten-outstanding-young-americans-announced&catid=79&Itemid=100019

 


From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 21:11:54 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:11:54 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Texas Landlord-Tenant Question
Message-ID: <001501ca1f7f$5c780e80$15682b80$@com>

Greetings All!  I hope your Monday is going well.

 

I have a question.  This is going to be based on Texas law if anyone can
help.

 

I have an apartment complex that took two months to fix a non-working
toilet.  It's been almost three months since the hot water has worked on one
of the sinks.  There has been a clear breach of the lease on the apartment
complex's part regarding property security procedures.  A toilet started
leaking and the problem was reported on a Friday evening and they said they
wouldn't send anyone until Monday, even though they knew the leakage had
gone to the downstairs area.  After repeated calls, they finally sent
someone to stop the leak on Saturday night.

 

A letter has been drafted regarding security issues and I am trying to get
out of my lease because of these ongoing problems.  Are there any
suggestions as it relates to Texas law or general common snese to make this
happen without being charged any reletting fees or having this placed on my
rental history as a broken lease?

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

William


From roddj12 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 17 21:25:17 2009
From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (roddj12 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:25:17 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply
In-Reply-To: <001501ca1f7f$5c780e80$15682b80$@com>
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From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (roddj12 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:53:40 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply
In-Reply-To: <BBA045412218F84A8C4ED7B65BED5EE1076C9AC7@AVN3VS002.ees.hhs.gov>
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From timandvickie at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 17 22:26:03 2009
From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (Tim Shaw)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:26:03 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply
In-Reply-To: <SNT0-MC1-F13866429DAF3EA8AF4B78EBB010@phx.gbl>
References: <BBA045412218F84A8C4ED7B65BED5EE1076C9AC7@AVN3VS002.ees.hhs.gov>
	<SNT0-MC1-F13866429DAF3EA8AF4B78EBB010@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY139-W6CEBFCEA8E58E948B7FEDCF010@phx.gbl>


Poor rodd j has had his email hijacked by a spammer;) doubt he even knwos it yet. PLease dont go to that site, it only encourages them.
 


To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:53:40 -0700
From: roddj12 at hotmail.com
Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply

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From timandvickie at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 17 22:41:17 2009
From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (Tim Shaw)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:41:17 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Texas Landlord-Tenant Question
In-Reply-To: <001501ca1f7f$5c780e80$15682b80$@com>
References: <001501ca1f7f$5c780e80$15682b80$@com>
Message-ID: <BAY139-W57978C43779F202CCE68BCF010@phx.gbl>


Heres a page that has basic tenant rights info for Texas, it is written by a professor at U of H so if it doenst answer your questions, maybe he could:

 

http://www.peopleslawyer.net/tenant3.html
 
> From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:11:54 -0500
> Subject: [blindlaw] Texas Landlord-Tenant Question
> 
> Greetings All! I hope your Monday is going well.
> 
> 
> 
> I have a question. This is going to be based on Texas law if anyone can
> help.
> 
> 
> 
> I have an apartment complex that took two months to fix a non-working
> toilet. It's been almost three months since the hot water has worked on one
> of the sinks. There has been a clear breach of the lease on the apartment
> complex's part regarding property security procedures. A toilet started
> leaking and the problem was reported on a Friday evening and they said they
> wouldn't send anyone until Monday, even though they knew the leakage had
> gone to the downstairs area. After repeated calls, they finally sent
> someone to stop the leak on Saturday night.
> 
> 
> 
> A letter has been drafted regarding security issues and I am trying to get
> out of my lease because of these ongoing problems. Are there any
> suggestions as it relates to Texas law or general common snese to make this
> happen without being charged any reletting fees or having this placed on my
> rental history as a broken lease?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> 
> 
> 
> William
> 
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From roddj12 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 17 23:02:19 2009
From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (roddj12 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:02:19 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Aug 18 02:08:46 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:08:46 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-W6CEBFCEA8E58E948B7FEDCF010@phx.gbl>
References: <BBA045412218F84A8C4ED7B65BED5EE1076C9AC7@AVN3VS002.ees.hhs.gov>
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He has been unsubscribed until he can get it straightened out.

Dave

At 05:26 PM 8/17/2009, you wrote:

>Poor rodd j has had his email hijacked by a spammer;) doubt he even 
>knwos it yet. PLease dont go to that site, it only encourages them.
>
>
>
>To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:53:40 -0700
>From: roddj12 at hotmail.com
>Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply
>
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> a very good company which i knew.Their website 
> is  www.buangels.com   .They can offer you all kinds of 
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> phones,ps3,MP3/4,motorcycles  etc........Please take some time to 
> have a check ,there must be somethings you 'd like to purchase .
>Their contact  email:buangels at 188.com ,MSN: buangels at hotmail.com .
>
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Aug 18 23:32:30 2009
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:32:30 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Civil rights tax relief legislation introduced,
 ABA Washington Letter, August 2009
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D91C18C33@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>


Thought some on this list might find this of interest.

Link:
http://www.abanet.org/poladv/wl/09aug/#no5

Text:
Civil rights tax relief legislation introduced

Sens. Jeff Bingaman (D-.N.M.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Reps. John Lewis (D-Ga.) and F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) reintroduced bipartisan legislation June 25 that would address excessive and unfair tax treatment of settlements and awards in employment rights cases.

Since 1996, non-economic damages recovered in employment discrimination and other employment and civil rights cases have been taxable, penalizing victims of discrimination under all federal, state and local laws providing for the enforcement of civil rights and regulating employment relations. In addition, lump-sum settlements or awards that compensate for lost back pay over a period of years are taxable at the rate of the year of receipt, which creates a higher tax burden than if the money had been earned in the normal course of employment. In contrast, the Internal Revenue Service does not tax non-economic damages received as a result of personal injury.

The proposed Civil Rights Tax Relief Act (CRTRA), S. 1360 and H.R. 3035, would amend the Internal Revenue Code to exclude noneconomic damages from gross income and permit income-averaging for back pay received in a lump sum. The provisions would put employment discrimination plaintiffs on a more equal footing with plaintiffs in personal injury cases by removing the current differences in the tax treatment between the two groups.

According to the ABA, the CRTRA restores the pre-1996 tax treatment of non-economic damages in employment discrimination cases, and victims of discrimination, employers and the administration of justice will all benefit from the legislation. The association and other supporters, including the National Employment Lawyers Association, maintain that the legislation will significantly reduce the costs of employment and civil rights cases.

Congress addressed another portion of civil rights tax relief in 2004, when the American Jobs Creation Act included provisions eliminating double taxation of attorneys' fees in employment discrimination, civil rights and other cases. The provisions, which were part of the Civil Rights Tax Relief Act proposed during the 108th Congress, allow plaintiffs an above-the line deduction for attorneys' fees and costs paid by or on behalf of the plaintiff in specific employment and discrimination cases, and preclude such payments from being subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax or the 12 percent floor on itemized deductions.

No action has been scheduled on the bills.



From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 20 00:22:27 2009
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:22:27 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] computer assistive technology
Message-ID: <7AC7DB747C8B4B1E8791CDFD12A030D9@DANELLIEVANDAWN>

I am looking for a digital recording device that will allow me to dictate pleadings and other documents vocally and then allow me to download the voice recording onto my computer in text.

If anyone out there knows which direction to point me, I would be most appreciative.

Dan McBride
Blind Attorney in Texas

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Aug 21 15:16:35 2009
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:16:35 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] NJP - Equal Justice AmeriCorps Fellowship-Seattle -
	Ref#20641020
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D91C18C66@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

FYI, for job seekers
From: Sue Encherman [mailto:Suee at nwjustice.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:19 AM
To: Washington State Alliance for Equal Justice Leadership Group
Cc: Michele E. Storms; Singleton, Diana; Shen-Jaffe, Ada
Subject: [atj-leadership] NJP - Equal Justice AmeriCorps Fellowship-Seattle


Northwest Justice Project has been awarded a one year fellowship to
focus on foreclosure issues. Please see 
http://www.nwjustice.org/about_njp/jobs.html. Application deadline is
Aug. 30th - position must begin by September 28th   

Susan Encherman

Northwest Justice Project

Director of Administration 

401 2nd Ave. S. , Suite 407

Seattle, WA   98104

Tele. 464 -1519, Fax 206-903-0526

suee at nwjustice.org

www.nwjustice.org  

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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 18:32:54 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:32:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
Message-ID: <3FDC9692A0CD469EBABC6491297ECE62@Rufus>

Hello,

I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am currently going through
the accommodations request process.  A day after submitting my request I
received a letter saying a preliminary review of my packet rendered my
request incomplete because I did not include:

1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for historical
information

2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI of the Candidate Form

Are they serious?  I don't know where someone gets copies of these documents
short of visiting my old school district's warehouse for my file.  I never
thought to keep any of this because these documents were never requested
when I took the GRE.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Joe Orozco

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crowd."--Max Lucado
 

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From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Fri Aug 21 19:15:44 2009
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:15:44 EDT
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
Message-ID: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>

Joe,
 
I had that problem as well.  I had my eye doctor write a letter that  my 
vision hadn't changed since birth and would not change.  I also had my  
college DSS Office write a letter indicating that they determined which  
accommodations I'd receive based on previous IEPs but that those IEPs were no  longer 
available.  Finally, I had my Vocational Rehab Counselor write a  letter 
explaining which accommodations I needed and why along with my IPE.   And then 
I wrote a cover letter explaining that my disability was not  
psychological, it was sensory, and that that was all the information they were  going to 
get.  I actually got an apology letter from the LSAT people  afterwards 
explaining that they have to be thorough for learning and cognitive  
disabilities, which sometimes do change year to year.
 
If there's a phone number, I suggest you call them and explain that you  
can't supply IEPs, etc., and that blindness accommodations for you haven't  
changed.
 
Good luck.
Ronza
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/21/2009 2:49:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jsorozco at gmail.com writes:

Hello,

I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am  currently going through
the accommodations request process.  A day  after submitting my request I
received a letter saying a preliminary review  of my packet rendered my
request incomplete because I did not  include:

1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for  historical
information

2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI  of the Candidate Form

Are they serious?  I don't know where  someone gets copies of these 
documents
short of visiting my old school  district's warehouse for my file.  I never
thought to keep any of this  because these documents were never requested
when I took the  GRE.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Joe  Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on  the
crowd."--Max Lucado


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From bjsexton at comcast.net  Fri Aug 21 19:40:33 2009
From: bjsexton at comcast.net (Bruce Sexton Jr.)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:40:33 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
References: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EF1650F91D34435D8E9AA7411EA57803@SLIM>

please let us know the results of your findings.

-B.J.
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To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations


> Joe,
>
> I had that problem as well.  I had my eye doctor write a letter that  my
> vision hadn't changed since birth and would not change.  I also had my
> college DSS Office write a letter indicating that they determined which
> accommodations I'd receive based on previous IEPs but that those IEPs were 
> no  longer
> available.  Finally, I had my Vocational Rehab Counselor write a  letter
> explaining which accommodations I needed and why along with my IPE.   And 
> then
> I wrote a cover letter explaining that my disability was not
> psychological, it was sensory, and that that was all the information they 
> were  going to
> get.  I actually got an apology letter from the LSAT people  afterwards
> explaining that they have to be thorough for learning and cognitive
> disabilities, which sometimes do change year to year.
>
> If there's a phone number, I suggest you call them and explain that you
> can't supply IEPs, etc., and that blindness accommodations for you haven't
> changed.
>
> Good luck.
> Ronza
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/21/2009 2:49:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jsorozco at gmail.com writes:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am  currently going through
> the accommodations request process.  A day  after submitting my request I
> received a letter saying a preliminary review  of my packet rendered my
> request incomplete because I did not  include:
>
> 1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for  historical
> information
>
> 2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI  of the Candidate Form
>
> Are they serious?  I don't know where  someone gets copies of these
> documents
> short of visiting my old school  district's warehouse for my file.  I 
> never
> thought to keep any of this  because these documents were never requested
> when I took the  GRE.
>
> Any advice would be very much appreciated.
>
> Joe  Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on  the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
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From mpeskoe at insightbb.com  Fri Aug 21 19:55:51 2009
From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:55:51 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
In-Reply-To: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
References: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ABF9ECE24DAF4CD1A5D8372F2EC7E86D@Melanie>

I am in the exact same situation.  I cannot locate old IEPs and therefore
was unable to send them with my request.  It's insane that LSAC requests
this of us.  I have followed all the steps that you have outlined below and
I have not received anything (good or bad) from LSAC yet regarding my
accommodations request. Thanks for this information.
Melanie

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:16 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations

Joe,
 
I had that problem as well.  I had my eye doctor write a letter that  my 
vision hadn't changed since birth and would not change.  I also had my  
college DSS Office write a letter indicating that they determined which  
accommodations I'd receive based on previous IEPs but that those IEPs were
no  longer 
available.  Finally, I had my Vocational Rehab Counselor write a  letter 
explaining which accommodations I needed and why along with my IPE.   And
then 
I wrote a cover letter explaining that my disability was not  
psychological, it was sensory, and that that was all the information they
were  going to 
get.  I actually got an apology letter from the LSAT people  afterwards 
explaining that they have to be thorough for learning and cognitive  
disabilities, which sometimes do change year to year.
 
If there's a phone number, I suggest you call them and explain that you  
can't supply IEPs, etc., and that blindness accommodations for you haven't  
changed.
 
Good luck.
Ronza
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/21/2009 2:49:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jsorozco at gmail.com writes:

Hello,

I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am  currently going through
the accommodations request process.  A day  after submitting my request I
received a letter saying a preliminary review  of my packet rendered my
request incomplete because I did not  include:

1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for  historical
information

2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI  of the Candidate Form

Are they serious?  I don't know where  someone gets copies of these 
documents
short of visiting my old school  district's warehouse for my file.  I never
thought to keep any of this  because these documents were never requested
when I took the  GRE.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Joe  Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on  the
crowd."--Max Lucado


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From bjsexton at comcast.net  Fri Aug 21 21:29:07 2009
From: bjsexton at comcast.net (Bruce Sexton Jr.)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:29:07 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
References: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
	<ABF9ECE24DAF4CD1A5D8372F2EC7E86D@Melanie>
Message-ID: <270EB919201147CEBBAC7274A04C822F@SLIM>

Hey Joe Melony and all,

I joined this list about a week ago.  I too am taking the LSAT in December. 
How have you, or are you studying for the LSAT.  Are there any programs or 
methods that are better then others?

Thanks,
Bruce 



From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 02:32:50 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:32:50 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
In-Reply-To: <270EB919201147CEBBAC7274A04C822F@SLIM>
Message-ID: <61304644015B498CBBC2A11AAADFD657@Rufus>

I've been working off of old exams.  So far I've only been working out the
problems, not timing myself, but come September I hope to put myself on a
more regular schedule to do timed practices.  My weakest area are the logic
puzzles, and for this I've been trying out different ways of setting up the
problem on my Perkins.  Otherwise I spend time reading various discussion
forums.  I find the comments useful for real insight into the exam, study
strategies and the admissions process at different schools.  The only series
of books I've purchased are the Power Score LSAT bibles.  With the exception
of the logic games, I think the books are well written and excellent
resources, and the only reason the logic games volume is not as great has
more to do with the frequency of diagrams than anything else.

Good luck to all headed for the torture chamber that is the LSAT exam, and
let's try to keep each other updated on the accommodations process.  I'm
sorry to hear this is and has happened to others, but it is awkwardly
comfortable to know I am not the only one because perhaps this means there
is reason to help them change their practices.  I followed Ronza's
suggestion about writing my college about the IEP issue.  When I called the
LSAC they told me to disregard the psychoeducation evaluation piece.  I wish
they would also disregard the SAT scores, because it's going to be three to
five weeks for the College Board to pull my score report from their
archives.  If I didn't feel old before, I feel old now.

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
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Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:29 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations

Hey Joe Melony and all,

I joined this list about a week ago.  I too am taking the LSAT 
in December. 
How have you, or are you studying for the LSAT.  Are there any 
programs or methods that are better then others?

Thanks,
Bruce 


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From khagen12 at q.com  Sat Aug 22 02:33:54 2009
From: khagen12 at q.com (Kathleen Hagen)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:33:54 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
References: <3FDC9692A0CD469EBABC6491297ECE62@Rufus>
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV52F80009546B4D372A5143C9FB0@phx.gbl>

If you had voc. rehab at any point, they might have copies of assessments or 
accommodations requested during your bachelor degree.  If your old 
highschool still exists, maybe you can get them to check your records.  It 
is a real bummer to come up with this stuff and ETS has always been just 
horrible about this.
Didn't I see on list that someone is getting ready to sue them?
Kathy Hagen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations


> Hello,
>
> I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am currently going through
> the accommodations request process.  A day after submitting my request I
> received a letter saying a preliminary review of my packet rendered my
> request incomplete because I did not include:
>
> 1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for historical
> information
>
> 2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI of the Candidate Form
>
> Are they serious?  I don't know where someone gets copies of these 
> documents
> short of visiting my old school district's warehouse for my file.  I never
> thought to keep any of this because these documents were never requested
> when I took the GRE.
>
> Any advice would be very much appreciated.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
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From khagen12 at q.com  Sat Aug 22 02:35:13 2009
From: khagen12 at q.com (Kathleen Hagen)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:35:13 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
References: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV55244CA8C9768907CA5BB6C9FB0@phx.gbl>

I hope you framed that apology letter.  I've never heard of LSAT making an 
apology!
Kathy hagen
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations


> Joe,
>
> I had that problem as well.  I had my eye doctor write a letter that  my
> vision hadn't changed since birth and would not change.  I also had my
> college DSS Office write a letter indicating that they determined which
> accommodations I'd receive based on previous IEPs but that those IEPs were 
> no  longer
> available.  Finally, I had my Vocational Rehab Counselor write a  letter
> explaining which accommodations I needed and why along with my IPE.   And 
> then
> I wrote a cover letter explaining that my disability was not
> psychological, it was sensory, and that that was all the information they 
> were  going to
> get.  I actually got an apology letter from the LSAT people  afterwards
> explaining that they have to be thorough for learning and cognitive
> disabilities, which sometimes do change year to year.
>
> If there's a phone number, I suggest you call them and explain that you
> can't supply IEPs, etc., and that blindness accommodations for you haven't
> changed.
>
> Good luck.
> Ronza
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/21/2009 2:49:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jsorozco at gmail.com writes:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am  currently going through
> the accommodations request process.  A day  after submitting my request I
> received a letter saying a preliminary review  of my packet rendered my
> request incomplete because I did not  include:
>
> 1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for  historical
> information
>
> 2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI  of the Candidate Form
>
> Are they serious?  I don't know where  someone gets copies of these
> documents
> short of visiting my old school  district's warehouse for my file.  I 
> never
> thought to keep any of this  because these documents were never requested
> when I took the  GRE.
>
> Any advice would be very much appreciated.
>
> Joe  Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on  the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
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From roddj12 at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 22 02:39:33 2009
From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:39:33 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
References: <61304644015B498CBBC2A11AAADFD657@Rufus>
Message-ID: <BAY105-DAV57D537D515C24434F80EDBBFB0@phx.gbl>

Joe, you can pay extra and have the college board send you your scores much 
faster. I believe the fee is 21 dollars. I needed to also obtain my scores 
when I was applying to sit for the New Jersey Bar exam.

Rod Alcidonis, J.D.
C. 718-704-4651
roddj12 at hotmail.com
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From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations


> I've been working off of old exams.  So far I've only been working out the
> problems, not timing myself, but come September I hope to put myself on a
> more regular schedule to do timed practices.  My weakest area are the 
> logic
> puzzles, and for this I've been trying out different ways of setting up 
> the
> problem on my Perkins.  Otherwise I spend time reading various discussion
> forums.  I find the comments useful for real insight into the exam, study
> strategies and the admissions process at different schools.  The only 
> series
> of books I've purchased are the Power Score LSAT bibles.  With the 
> exception
> of the logic games, I think the books are well written and excellent
> resources, and the only reason the logic games volume is not as great has
> more to do with the frequency of diagrams than anything else.
>
> Good luck to all headed for the torture chamber that is the LSAT exam, and
> let's try to keep each other updated on the accommodations process.  I'm
> sorry to hear this is and has happened to others, but it is awkwardly
> comfortable to know I am not the only one because perhaps this means there
> is reason to help them change their practices.  I followed Ronza's
> suggestion about writing my college about the IEP issue.  When I called 
> the
> LSAC they told me to disregard the psychoeducation evaluation piece.  I 
> wish
> they would also disregard the SAT scores, because it's going to be three 
> to
> five weeks for the College Board to pull my score report from their
> archives.  If I didn't feel old before, I feel old now.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Sexton Jr.
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:29 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
>
> Hey Joe Melony and all,
>
> I joined this list about a week ago.  I too am taking the LSAT
> in December.
> How have you, or are you studying for the LSAT.  Are there any
> programs or methods that are better then others?
>
> Thanks,
> Bruce
>
>
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From mpeskoe at insightbb.com  Sat Aug 22 04:06:22 2009
From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:06:22 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
In-Reply-To: <270EB919201147CEBBAC7274A04C822F@SLIM>
References: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
	<ABF9ECE24DAF4CD1A5D8372F2EC7E86D@Melanie>
	<270EB919201147CEBBAC7274A04C822F@SLIM>
Message-ID: <42301A6C4D844E1F8FB552AF5D175056@Melanie>

Hi Bruce,
I am doing a few things.  RFB&D has a couple of good books that I
downloaded, I listen to some LSAT podcasts from itunes, and I'm using a
private tutor as well.  Maybe some of us can compare notes along the way?
Melanie

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Behalf Of Bruce Sexton Jr.
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:29 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations

Hey Joe Melony and all,

I joined this list about a week ago.  I too am taking the LSAT in December. 
How have you, or are you studying for the LSAT.  Are there any programs or 
methods that are better then others?

Thanks,
Bruce 


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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Tue Aug 25 14:58:05 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:58:05 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] National Federation of the Blind and Blind Social
 Security Beneficiary File Complaint with Social Security Administration
Message-ID: <auto-000113678401@mailfront1.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (cell)

cdanielsen at nfb.org

National Federation of the Blind and Blind Social Security Beneficiary
File Complaint with Social Security Administration

SSA's Inaccessible Web Site Discriminates Against the Blind

Baltimore, Maryland (August 24, 2009): The National Federation of the 
Blind, the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind people 
and the leading advocate for equal access by the blind to information 
technology, and Margot Downey, a blind Social Security beneficiary 
from Buffalo, New York, filed an administrative complaint today with 
the Social Security Administration (SSA).  The complaint asserts that 
the SSA's Web site violates Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act 
because it is inaccessible to blind people who use text-to-speech 
screen access technology or Braille displays to access information on 
the Internet.  Because of the inaccessibility of the SSA Web site, 
blind people cannot fill out forms and questionnaires on the site or 
access information about their benefits.

Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "In an age where the Internet is a part of everyday life, blind 
people must have equal access to the information and resources 
provided on the World Wide Web.  In particular, the United States 
government has a legal and moral obligation to ensure that the 
information it provides on the Internet is equally accessible to all 
Americans, including the blind.  The National Federation of the Blind 
demands equal access for blind Social Security beneficiaries and will 
tolerate nothing less."

  Margot Downey, a blind Social Security beneficiary from Buffalo, 
New York, said: "As an active and productive blind individual, I 
depend on the Internet to access and update all kinds of information, 
including the Social Security and Medicare benefits I receive.  I 
hope that the Social Security Administration will take swift action 
to correct the accessibility problems with its Web site so that blind 
Americans like me will have equal access to the valuable information 
the SSA Web site contains."

Complainants are represented by attorneys Daniel F. Goldstein and 
Allison L. Harper of Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP, 120 E. Baltimore 
Street, Suite 1700, Baltimore, Maryland  21202, (410) 962-1030, fax: 
(410) 385-0869, <mailto:dfg at browngold.com>dfg at browngold.com, 
<mailto:ah at browngold.com>ah at browngold.com, 
<http://www.browngold.com/>www.browngold.com.

###


From dibona at mac.com  Tue Aug 25 18:21:07 2009
From: dibona at mac.com (kdb)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:21:07 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] NEED ADVICE
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1203184807.9890.blindlaw@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.19.1203184807.9890.blindlaw@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <C4CC94A8-5E34-4AE7-AA2C-30B25C912C83@mac.com>

QUESTION NEEDING CLARIFICATION AND  LEGAL ADA Related ADVICE

    I AM LEGALLY BLIND . I think I may need a lawyer to  initiate a  
lawsuit or law action.
I serve as a board director at my condo.
I have placed the board on notice - it is a 3 person board, that I  
want to be told and be given copies of all board related business and  
actions and be updated on a regular basis.
   I am entitled, and as I see it required, to be listed on the condo  
bank accounts as a check signer. I am able to sign my name  on checks  
with limited assistance.
    The other two members of my board are out of town on a regular  
basis each month. I therefore need to be able to act in my official  
capacity when no other board member is here and things come up needing  
a board member to act or pay for services needed  within our  
requirements.
The president is said to have stated that due to my blindness I can  
not sign checks! As told to me- she is saying this information was  
obtained from our board attorney!  I checked. It was not!
        She also does not share board actions and info with me. I must  
continually seek it out each day, usually alone. The other board  
member does share but it takes the three of us to work together to  
know what is really happening as we perform our duties for our  
association. This is never the case here.
For the past 6 months , I have been  frustrated and feel that my ADA  
rights are being violated to the extreme!
     I am in need of a way(s) to stop this action, of what I feel is  
illegal behavior that excludes me continually and places me in a total  
"blind" stance when trying to access the information and processes  
used by  the board and most specifically the president, who is also  
the treasurer of the board. Any ideas?  All legal advice is appreciated.




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>         February 14, 2008
>
>
> Dear friend:
>
> Do you know someone who has demonstrated
> initiative and leadership in improving the lives
> of blind people?  Have you encountered an
> organization that focuses its energies on
> exemplary programs to benefit the blind?  Perhaps
> you, yourself, have contributed substantially to
> helping blind people achieve full participation
> in society on the basis of equality?  If so, I
> want you to know that the National Federation of
> the Blind (NFB) has established the Dr. Jacob
> Bolotin Award Program, made possible through the
> Alfred and Rosalind Perlman Trust, to recognize
> outstanding contributions made by individuals
> (blind or sighted) and organizations that have
> made a significant impact on the lives of blind people.
>
> The NFB will present $100,000 in cash awards at
> our 2008 annual convention in Dallas, Texas.  I
> am excited about the opportunity to reward those
> who believe as I do in the capacity of the blind
> and who work with the blind to overcome obstacles
> to self-sufficiency and independence.  The
> problems of blindness can be solved, and those
> who contribute their talents and energies to
> advance the independence of the blind should be
> recognized and encouraged to continue their
> efforts.  I need your help to identify those who
> have implemented innovative strategies to help
> the blind gain equal access to resources and
> information and who encourage the blind to
> recognize and use their abilities to live full and productive lives.
>
> Time is running out, but it is not too late to
> nominate yourself, an individual, or an
> organization for a Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award--all
> applications must be received by April 15,
> 2008.  Please visit the NFB Web site
> (<http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org) for more
> information about the award and how to
> apply.  You may also call the National Federation of the Blind at
> (410) 659-9314 or contact us by email at
> <mailto:Bolotinaward at nfb.org>Bolotinaward at nfb.org
> with any questions you may have or for additional information.
>
> I look forward to congratulating the recipients
> of the Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award in person at the
> 2008 NFB National Convention and to thanking them
> for their efforts in creating a brighter future for blind people  
> everywhere.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Marc Maurer, President
> NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>
>
> HAVE YOU OR YOUR ORGANIZATION
> SHOWN INITIATIVE AND LEADERSHIP IN ASSISTING
> BLIND AMERICANS TO SELF-SUFFICIENCY?
> SHARE YOUR STORY--WIN AN AWARD!
>
> THE 2008 DR. JACOB BOLOTIN AWARDS
> A $100,000 program rewarding merit
> in service to blind Americans
>
> []
>
>
>
>
>
> Awards open to:
>
> ?     Blind Applicants
> ?     Sighted Applicants
> ?     Organizations
> ?     Commercial Entities
>
>
>
>
>
>
> DEADLINE: APRIL 15, 2008
>
>
> For more information and to apply please go to:
>  www.nfb.org
> You may also contact the National Federation of
> the Blind at (410) 659-9314 or by email at
> <mailto:Bolotinaward at nfb.org>Bolotinaward at nfb.org
> with any questions you may have or for additional details.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sponsored by the Alfred & Rosalind Perlman Trust
>
> Presented by the National Federation of the Blind
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:22:10 -0500
> From: zz wolfman <dibona at mac.com>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and
> 	DVR use
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org, blindcomputerusers at yahoogroups.com,
> 	blindmoviebuff at yahoogroups.com, info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
> Cc: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org, rforetjr at bellsouth.net
> Message-ID: <42152F52-28D8-4CE6-9329-1CB585FE06AB at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Maybe our blind lawyer group can help and even file on our behalf
> against Comcast, Apple, TV and cell phone companies, etc..  to make
> all products speakable for us in all areas, menus and sub menus and be
> enabled with voice recognition and take voice commands. They do a lot
> for all other disabilities yet over and over ... when it comes to the
> low vision and blind populations, they turn a BLIND EYE and everyone
> seems to back down from taking on this seemingly highly discriminatory
> practice!
> AND they say ADA is designed to give equal access to all !
> Well then,   Let us all get behind  and support those who will fight
> for our rights here.  Class action or individual, count me in.. This
> could  the  time for us  to be included and maybe rise above being
> thought of as part of a second class citizentry!
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: The BlindTechs Network <info at theblindtechsnetwork.com>
>> Date: January 22, 2008 10:24:23 PM EST
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
>> Reply-To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>
>> why doesn't the nfb file against comcast or investigate them like  
>> they
>> are doing apple for nonaccessible products.
>>
>>
>> The BlindTechs Network
>> www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
>> info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
>> 623-565-9357 (west phoenix Arizona)
>> 480-297-7569 (East Phoenix Arizona)
>> 562-219-2309 (Los Angeles California)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Brett Boyer wrote:
>>
>> I just read your message so forgive me if it has been mentioned. I
>> have a
>> lot of blind friends who are comcast subscribers and from what I know
>> the
>> set top boxes are not very accessible at all. Maybe you could  
>> memorize
>> some
>> steps for menus but unless you have someone to help you and write
>> everything
>> down good luck!
>> bb
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "Electronics Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:11 PM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
>>
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> In a couple of days, I will be switching from AT&T to Comcast.
>>> I'll be
>>> getting all three services from them, and the DVR also.  I'd very
>>> much
>>> like
>>> to hear from all of y'all who have Comcast as to the eas of using
>>> the DVR
>>> and the general feeling you think Comcast has toward blind
>>> customers; if
>>> any.  Feel free to write me off list if you like; or, if you feel  
>>> the
>>> entire
>>> group would benefit from your answer, that's fine too.  Thanks in
>>> advance.
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>>> Ray
>>> Home phone and fax:
>>> (985)853-0139
>>> E-mail:
>>> rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>>> God bless our troops!
>>> and God bless America
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Electronics-talk mailing list
>>> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Electronics-talk mailing list
>> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Electronics-talk mailing list
>> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Maybe our blind lawyer group can help and even file on our behalf  
> against Comcast, Apple, TV and cell phone companies, etc..  to make  
> all products speakable for us in all areas, menus and sub menus and  
> be enabled with voice recognition and take voice commands. They do a  
> lot for all other disabilities yet over and over ... when it comes  
> to the low vision and blind populations, they turn a BLIND EYE and  
> everyone seems to back down from taking on this seemingly highly  
> discriminatory practice!
> AND they say ADA is designed to give equal access to all !
> Well then,   Let us all get behind  and support those who will fight  
> for our rights here.  Class action or individual, count me in.. This  
> could  the  time for us  to be included and maybe rise above being  
> thought of as part of a second class citizentry!
> Begin forwarded message:
> From:
> The BlindTechs Network < mailto:info at theblindtechsnetwork.com info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
>>
> Date:
> January 22, 2008 10:24:23 PM EST
> To:
> Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances < mailto:electronics-talk at nfbnet.org 
>  electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>
> Subject:
> Re: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
> Reply-To:
> Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances < mailto:electronics-talk at nfbnet.org 
>  electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>
> why doesn't the nfb file against comcast or investigate them like they
> are doing apple for nonaccessible products.
> The BlindTechs Network
> http://www.theblindtechsnetwork.com www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
> info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
> 623-565-9357 (west phoenix Arizona)
> 480-297-7569 (East Phoenix Arizona)
> 562-219-2309 (Los Angeles California)
> On Jan 22, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Brett Boyer wrote:
> I just read your message so forgive me if it has been mentioned. I
> have a
> lot of blind friends who are comcast subscribers and from what I know
> the
> set top boxes are not very accessible at all. Maybe you could memorize
> some
> steps for menus but unless you have someone to help you and write
> everything
> down good luck!
> bb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Electronics Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:11 PM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
> Hi there,
>  In a couple of days, I will be switching from AT&T to Comcast.
> I'll be
> getting all three services from them, and the DVR also.  I'd very much
> like
> to hear from all of y'all who have Comcast as to the eas of using
> the DVR
> and the general feeling you think Comcast has toward blind
> customers; if
> any.  Feel free to write me off list if you like; or, if you feel the
> entire
> group would benefit from your answer, that's fine too.  Thanks in
> advance.
> Sincerely yours,
> The Constantly Barefooted,
> Ray
> Home phone and fax:
> (985)853-0139
> E-mail:
> rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> God bless President George W. Bush!
> God bless our troops!
> and God bless America
> _______________________________________________
> Electronics-talk mailing list
> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
> _______________________________________________
> Electronics-talk mailing list
> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
> _______________________________________________
> Electronics-talk mailing list
> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:36:25 -0800
> From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind,
> 	and DVR use
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <001101c8706e$a3340cf0$4201a8c0 at markea5ff9c354>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
>
> I keep seeing this add on TV for a new remote control, "So easy,  
> anyone can
> use it."  While I haven't researched it, I always chuckle cynically  
> and
> wonder if I, a totally blind man, could really use this new remote  
> control.
> In which case, what part of "everyone," does not include me, ... and  
> how
> much will they pay me not to whine about not being part of  
> "everyone?"...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "zz wolfman" <dibona at mac.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>; <blindcomputerusers at yahoogroups.com>;
> <blindmoviebuff at yahoogroups.com>; <info at theblindtechsnetwork.com>
> Cc: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>; <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:22 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and  
> DVR use
>
>
>> Maybe our blind lawyer group can help and even file on our behalf
>> against Comcast, Apple, TV and cell phone companies, etc..  to make
>> all products speakable for us in all areas, menus and sub menus and  
>> be
>> enabled with voice recognition and take voice commands. They do a lot
>> for all other disabilities yet over and over ... when it comes to the
>> low vision and blind populations, they turn a BLIND EYE and everyone
>> seems to back down from taking on this seemingly highly  
>> discriminatory
>> practice!
>> AND they say ADA is designed to give equal access to all !
>> Well then,   Let us all get behind  and support those who will fight
>> for our rights here.  Class action or individual, count me in.. This
>> could  the  time for us  to be included and maybe rise above being
>> thought of as part of a second class citizentry!
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: The BlindTechs Network <info at theblindtechsnetwork.com>
>>> Date: January 22, 2008 10:24:23 PM EST
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
>>> Reply-To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> why doesn't the nfb file against comcast or investigate them like  
>>> they
>>> are doing apple for nonaccessible products.
>>>
>>>
>>> The BlindTechs Network
>>> www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
>>> info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
>>> 623-565-9357 (west phoenix Arizona)
>>> 480-297-7569 (East Phoenix Arizona)
>>> 562-219-2309 (Los Angeles California)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Brett Boyer wrote:
>>>
>>> I just read your message so forgive me if it has been mentioned. I
>>> have a
>>> lot of blind friends who are comcast subscribers and from what I  
>>> know
>>> the
>>> set top boxes are not very accessible at all. Maybe you could  
>>> memorize
>>> some
>>> steps for menus but unless you have someone to help you and write
>>> everything
>>> down good luck!
>>> bb
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: "Electronics Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:11 PM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> In a couple of days, I will be switching from AT&T to Comcast.
>>>> I'll be
>>>> getting all three services from them, and the DVR also.  I'd very
>>>> much
>>>> like
>>>> to hear from all of y'all who have Comcast as to the eas of using
>>>> the DVR
>>>> and the general feeling you think Comcast has toward blind
>>>> customers; if
>>>> any.  Feel free to write me off list if you like; or, if you feel  
>>>> the
>>>> entire
>>>> group would benefit from your answer, that's fine too.  Thanks in
>>>> advance.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>>>> Ray
>>>> Home phone and fax:
>>>> (985)853-0139
>>>> E-mail:
>>>> rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
>>>> Skype Name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>>>> God bless our troops!
>>>> and God bless America
>>>>
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Aug 25 20:04:12 2009
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:04:12 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D93F830A2@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



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Subject: FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice


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Date posted: 08-18-2009
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Date posted: 08-18-2009
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 11:40:19 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)
Message-ID: <614731.17521.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

WARNING: 
To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen magnification program in a timely manor.  
The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific examples from the text in the textbook.   
Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its courses.  
Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When one chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that the deadline for any refunds has passed.  
Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you register and are able to create a student account.  A student account can only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction or tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR technical reference pages through adobe systems.
Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able to utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the centers have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading software on sight.
In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE through there local colleges or universities, those individuals would have the same problems since the teachings and course related material is still channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University.  Kaplan outsources itself within local colleges and universities to offer there programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal corporate interests or political clout.  .  




      


From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 16:02:10 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Apoligies prior message was cut off:
Message-ID: <281338.34446.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I see that some have thought my message about my current expearience of studying for the GRE was a spam filled message.  
The information below outlines my experiences while studying for the Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I need some advice on how to proceed forward since I am not getting what I have paid for.
WARNING: 
To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen magnification program in a timely manor.  
The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific examples from the text in the textbook.   
Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its courses.  
Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When one chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that the deadline for any refunds has passed.  
Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you register and are able to create a student account.  A student account can only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction or tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR technical reference pages through adobe systems.
Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able to utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the centers have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading software on sight.
In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE through there local colleges or universities, those individuals would have the same problems since the teachings and course related material is still channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University.  Kaplan outsources itself within local colleges and universities to offer there programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal corporate interests or political clout.  .  




      


From timandvickie at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 26 18:39:10 2009
From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (Tim Shaw)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:39:10 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Apoligies prior message was cut off:
In-Reply-To: <281338.34446.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <281338.34446.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY139-W2245BA5916E74E8AC3A266CFF70@phx.gbl>


Now it IS getting a bit spamish;)
 
> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:02:10 -0700
> From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com
> To: humanser at nfbnet.org; promotion-technology at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org; Nyagdu at nfbnet.org; nagdu at nfbnet.org; Jobs at nfbnet.org; blindlaw at nfbnet.org; work-at-home-for-the-visually-impaired at googlegroups.com
> Subject: [blindlaw] Apoligies prior message was cut off:
> 
> I see that some have thought my message about my current expearience of studying for the GRE was a spam filled message.  
> The information below outlines my experiences while studying for the Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I need some advice on how to proceed forward since I am not getting what I have paid for.
> WARNING: 
> To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen magnification program in a timely manor.  
> The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific examples from the text in the textbook.   
> Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its courses.  
> Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When one chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that the deadline for any refunds has passed.  
> Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you register and are able to create a student account.  A student account can only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction or tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR technical reference pages through adobe systems.
> Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able to utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the centers have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading software on sight.
> In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE through there local colleges or universities, those individuals would have the same problems since the teachings and course related material is still channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University.  Kaplan outsources itself within local colleges and universities to offer there programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
> Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal corporate interests or political clout.  .  
> 
> 
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From Ronza.Othman at dhs.gov  Wed Aug 26 20:42:50 2009
From: Ronza.Othman at dhs.gov (Othman, Ronza)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:42:50 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Vacancy Announcement - Deputy Officer for Programs
	and Compliance
Message-ID: <C7A83F855C9DFC4794B8695BC4C10E6815D24B@ZAU1UG-0308.DHSNET.DS1.DHS>

 

DHS-CRCL has an opening for the Deputy Officer for Programs and
Compliance posted on USA Jobs.  The position sensitivity level is Top
Secret/SCI.  The vacancy announcement number is CHCO-09-011DHS and
closes on September 10, 2009.  Please forward to anyone who may be
interested and eligible.

 

CHCO-09-011DHS
<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=83044613&JobTitle=Deputy+O
fficer+for+Programs+and+Compliance&q=83044613&sort=rv%2c-dtex&jbf565=1&v
w=d&re=134&FedEmp=Y&FedPub=Y&caller=ses.aspx&AVSDM=2009-08-26+09%3a30%3a
00> 

 

Kind regards,

 

 

Ronza M. Othman, Esq.

Policy Advisor

Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties

U.S. Department of Homeland Security

202-357-8517

202-436-4437 (cell)

ronza.othman at dhs.gov <mailto:ronza.othman at dhs.gov> 

www.dhs.gov/civilliberties <http://www.dhs.gov/civilliberties> 

 

 


From ahuffman6 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 19:45:06 2009
From: ahuffman6 at gmail.com (F. Allen Huffman)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:45:06 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] possible assistance with internship or job opportunity
Message-ID: <003801ca274e$e96f0560$0201a8c0@ALLEN>

Hello, my name is Allen Huffman. I am totally blind and have recently graduated from the University of Central Florida with a degree in history and a minor  in political science pre-law. I am considering law school but would like to find a job or internship with a law firm to  gain practical experience in the legal field and to help me decide if that is the best career for me. I would also like to talk with blind attorneys to discuss their experiences as attorneys in general and as blind attorneys in particular. I was wondering if anyone in your organization had any thoughts or suggestions concerning these issues.  I can be reached by email at ahuffman6 at gmail.com. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thank you very much.

Respectfully Allen Huffman    

From jweisberg at screncilaw.com  Thu Aug 27 19:49:20 2009
From: jweisberg at screncilaw.com (James Weisberg)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:49:20 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Accommodations for State / NCBE
Message-ID: <FC50B49ED94B8A45A9AA3CE6D096CAED1F399B@2K3FS1.screnci.local>

Dear Listmates:

 

I am interested in hearing from anyone who has:

 

1.                   requested accommodations to take the Florida bar exam; and

2.                   requested accommodations on the multi-state bar exam.

 

Please e-mail me off-list with any information concerning your experience(s) and any advice gained.  Thanks.

 

James W. Weisberg, Esq. 

Law Office of Stephen W. Screnci, P.A.

2200 N.W. Boca Raton Blvd., Ste. 210

Boca Raton, Florida  33431

V:  (561) 300-3390

F:  (561) 300-3391

Email:  JWeisberg at screncilaw.com

 

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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 29 07:23:25 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:23:25 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
Message-ID: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>

I was contacted by a blind person who experienced a possible ADA violation at an Indian gaming casino here in central California. He was at a computer terminal playing bingo with his friend who was helping him as he could not read the computer screen. She advised him that he had a bingo and he called out as such. The casino staff did not want to award him his prize as he had stepped aside from the computer so his friend could read the screen and they were upset that someone was helping him play. He and his friend had frequented this casino on a regular basis and they were known to staff and other patrons. He attempted to explain the situation to a supervisor who was not helpful. I will be recommending that he file a complaint with the U.S. Department of Justice as it is my understanding that California ADA remedies and complaints do not apply as this is on Indian land. Is anyone aware of any similar problems with casinos both Indian or otherwise. I am especially interested as much of the new gaming technology is not accessible to blind patrons wanting to gamble. I personally raised the issue of accessibility to a member of another tribal council not involved in this incident and while he thought it was a valid concern he was not in a position to do anything about it. Any thoughts are appreciated.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237

From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 29 13:57:13 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 06:57:13 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
In-Reply-To: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>
References: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>
Message-ID: <359F6F31-B2B8-40A9-8571-37DA89523433@sbcglobal.net>

How would this be different from a case where someone goes to Las  
Vegas and can't play at the poker table, or read the bingo or keeno  
screens?  What does the ADA say about making these situations  
accessible?
Curious.

Mark BurningHawk
stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
Namaste!




From b75205 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 15:33:38 2009
From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:33:38 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
In-Reply-To: <359F6F31-B2B8-40A9-8571-37DA89523433@sbcglobal.net>
References: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>
	<359F6F31-B2B8-40A9-8571-37DA89523433@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <fe5b78280908290833t2fb427eblb026ba082a664b3b@mail.gmail.com>

They are a sovereign nation.
James Pepper

From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 16:18:56 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:18:56 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
Message-ID: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>

Good morning and happy Saturday to all.

 

I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
out?"  "Why do you live alone?"

 

There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.

 

Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions as
to how I should proceed?

 

Thanks!


From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 29 17:33:03 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:33:03 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
In-Reply-To: <359F6F31-B2B8-40A9-8571-37DA89523433@sbcglobal.net>
References: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>
	<359F6F31-B2B8-40A9-8571-37DA89523433@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <AEB4B285FF38459C8E24E7A538893ECC@spike>

There is actually no difference when it comes to ADA violations, the issue 
is the venue for resolving them as there is question about the level of 
authority that the state has on Indian lands because of their sovereignty.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino


> How would this be different from a case where someone goes to Las  Vegas 
> and can't play at the poker table, or read the bingo or keeno  screens? 
> What does the ADA say about making these situations  accessible?
> Curious.
>
> Mark BurningHawk
> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 29 17:42:27 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:42:27 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
Message-ID: <D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>

There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind tenant 
or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can do 
anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your ability to 
function in certain situations is not cause in itself for discrimination. On 
the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask such 
questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could constitute a 
violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
Chuck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>
>
>
> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>
>
>
> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>
>
>
> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions 
> as
> to how I should proceed?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
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From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 29 20:01:18 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:01:18 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
In-Reply-To: <AEB4B285FF38459C8E24E7A538893ECC@spike>
References: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>
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	<AEB4B285FF38459C8E24E7A538893ECC@spike>
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I guess the ADA isn't "constitutional," as it's a federal act, not an  
amendment.  Interesting quandary, that.

Mark BurningHawk
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From stiehm.law at juno.com  Sat Aug 29 21:48:59 2009
From: stiehm.law at juno.com (stiehm.law)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:48:59 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
Message-ID: <20090829.144900.23531.39624@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com>

I am hardly an expert in this area of the law, but I have learned some
basic concepts over the years, in several areas, i.e., debt collection
against tribal corporations, businesses and individuals on reservations,
enforceability of hunting and fishing regulations on reservations, the
creations of casinos on reservations within states in contravention of
state law and the Indian Child Welfare Act.  As a result I have some
ideas.

First, it is my understanding of the law, that state laws are not
generally enforceable on reservations, because of their status as
sovereign nations.  The vary reason you can have Indian casinos on
reservations within states that otherwise prohibit them is because of
this sovereign status.  This is important because state laws that mirror
the ADA in some aspects and may provide better remedies than the ADA, as
it has been interpreted, as I understand is the case in California, are
not of any help.  Tribal casinos are often managed by non tribal
corporations, that may be subject to state law, thought clearly such
entities are not subject to state law in running the casinos.  It may be
worth a bit of research however. 

Second, it is my understanding of the law that some federal laws apply to
individuals, businesses and corporations operating on reservation. 
Weather or not the ADA is one of these statutes and to what extent it may
apply, I do not know but again a bit of research might help.

Third, the tribal council may have adopted an ADA type ordinance or law,
that is enforceable in tribal courts.  This also my be worth a bit of
research.

Finally, the degree to which a given tribe may be "sovereign", vis-a-vis
some state and federal laws may be affected one way or another by
treaties between the United States and that tribe.  Not to sound like a
broken record, but this also may be worth a bit of research,

Good luck and please keep us posted on any progress you make on this
issue.  I am sure it is of interest to all of us.

Patrick H. Stiehm
Stiehm Law Office
Alexandria, VA 22309
703-360-1089 (Voice)
703-935-8266 (Fax)


On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:23:25 -0700 <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> I was contacted by a blind person who experienced a possible ADA 
> violation at an Indian gaming casino here in central California. He 
> was at a computer terminal playing bingo with his friend who was 
> helping him as he could not read the computer screen. She advised 
> him that he had a bingo and he called out as such. The casino staff 
> did not want to award him his prize as he had stepped aside from the 
> computer so his friend could read the screen and they were upset 
> that someone was helping him play. He and his friend had frequented 
> this casino on a regular basis and they were known to staff and 
> other patrons. He attempted to explain the situation to a supervisor 
> who was not helpful. I will be recommending that he file a complaint 
> with the U.S. Department of Justice as it is my understanding that 
> California ADA remedies and complaints do not apply as this is on 
> Indian land. Is anyone aware of any similar problems with casinos 
> both Indian or otherwise. I am especially interested as much of the 
> new gaming technology is not accessible to blind patrons wanting to 
> gamble. I personally raised the issue of accessibility to a member 
> of another tribal council not involved in this incident and while he 
> thought it was a valid concern he was not in a position to do 
> anything about it. Any thoughts are appreciated.
> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
> 1237 P Street
> Fresno ca 93721
> 559-266-9237
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From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 21:56:59 2009
From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:56:59 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Attention: Parents,
	teachers and Supporters of blind children struggling with literacy
Message-ID: <632092010908291456y52c69180q81f498b4edf8cee9@mail.gmail.com>

How many of us have struggled through comprehending Braille upon first
being introduced to it. How many of us have watched another child
struggle through the attempts to comprehend Braille upon their first
few encounters? Reading is difficult, especially at first. It isn't
often a child will "want," to sit still and turn the pages of a book
for an hour when the alternative is running outside, or watching
television. Parents, teachers, supporters, and even the children
themselves understand these struggles. And so does this man who gives
this account.

A PARENT'S LATE COMING TO BRAILLE

Kevin C. Murphy

Fourteen, blind since infancy, multiply handicapped, Kevin knew
about letters. Letters excited him in the way angels, UFOs,
ghosts, and monsters excite many of us -- lots of mystery, little
practical value. His favorite television programs, SESAME STREET
and THE ELECTRIC COMPANY mimicked Madison Avenue's technique of
manipulating human want. Kevin wanted to read. For this child,
reading had to mean Braille. Yet by 1981 "Braille" for Kevin, was a
mispronunciation of "fail." Preceded by dread, overshadowed by fear,
each class was cursed by confusion, each ended in depression.
Ending six years of effort, Kevin's teachers abandoned efforts to
teach Braille to him. I believed that Braille was beyond Kevin's
grasp. Yet, a distant part of me raged against that illiterate life.
Inwardly I hesitated to post full cost and cause to Kevin's account.
Kevin -- and Heather, my adopted daughter -- were multiply
handicapped and blind. No fear, nor excessive concern about
blindness gripped me. My children were who they were, I saw nothing in
need of fixing -- except, perhaps, in the society that shunned them.
I nursed a parent's terror of Braille, a thing so exotic, so
beyond my experience, that surely my ignorance of it can only damage
my child. But what harm could I do now? Kevin's legacy of Braille's
letters, alphabets, grief, effort, and failure were now discarded as
junk. I could do no harm.
Kevin could, at least, learn that symbolic languages exist,
function. He might not read a book, but he might understand how
others do that. Many who've never piloted aircraft understand their
workings.
I searched for means such that Kevin might keep what literacy he
had, perhaps to re-shape that knowledge base a bit to make life less
confusing to him. The approach: "Hey Kevin, want to work with Dad?" is
not a proven winner with fourteen-year-olds.
"Hey Kevin, want to work on Braille?" was a certain loser in
that age.
I mutilated Christmas toys, fashioned my first TACK-TILES® .
Little building blocks became Braille cells. "Hey Kevin, guess what I
did to your Lego® blocks!" was as perfect a "come on"
as any ever devised. I let his very annoyed half-wondering fingers survey the
damage thoroughly before accounting for myself -or mentioning B-----.
Then we built words and sentences on toy boards meant to
serve as front lawns. I was poorly prepared for the success of early
sessions with Kevin and TACK-TILES® . In that setting, failure meant
only that I would deny him his great pleasure of confiscating my
TACK-TILES® , forfeiting opportunity to lodge them onto his own board.
Here Braille's challenge was a benign contest of human beings, fun,
much more to his comfort and liking. Braille was lodged in a world of
his own -- less like the adult's. He allowed me to tease and fence
with him around his knowledge and ability to use this new learning
tool. He revealed secrets about his unique learning style, remained
at task until I wondered if I had an attention disorder. Kevin's
instructor -- his father -- had not the beginning of an idea how to
proceed. That helped immensely. Kevin and the TACK-TILES® took
complete charge. Success, followed success in the wake of success.
His teachers's earlier efforts finally bore fruit. Kevin was
able to read his grade one Braille papers by the end of that month.
Nearly nine years would pass before another child would learn to read
with TACK-TILES®. Five more years beyond that would pass before we
could afford to make them commercially available in February, 1995.


In March of 2009, I had the chance to meet Kevin Murphey, the
developer of Tack-Tiles. I stood before his table in a huge exhibit
hall marveling at how the product had evolved since I used them to
help me learn to read as a child. I was listening distractedly to him
deliver a sales pitch to the gentlman standing beside me. Explaining
his reasons for building the blocks in the first place, and remarking
that he'd never met another student besides his own son who had used
these products to learn how to read, although he'd sold many. I looked
up startled and turned towards him, hesitantly I put out my hand and
spoke up. "I learned how to read with these blocks." Kevin stopped
talking and turned to face me, surprise and pleasure in his voice as
he asked, "Really?" I smiled and I confirmed that I had. Idly I played
with his newest product, Braille Teasers, a sort of flat puzzle that
makes you think about where the letters can go provided one empty
space. The object is to get the board alphabitized without removing
the legos which is considered cheating. We talked and talked like old
friends, and then I asked if I could take a picture with him. He
agreed on the conditions that I email him a copy of the photo, which I
found to be a fair price.

As I sat at National Convention I heard a constant message. We must
increase Braille Literacy. Our kids need to be taught Braille.
Braille, Braille and more Braille. This brought a smile to my lips,
however, once I returned home I began to think. Braille Readers are
Leaders, Slate Pals, these programs reenforce Braille Skills that
children already possess, encouraging them to read. However, I have
yet to hear of a program geared towards teaching children Braille when
they know none to begin with. I called up my new friend Kevin and
launched in to my creative mode. My excitement prooved contagious, and
Kevin agreed to allow me a shot at promoting the product that made me
the Braille Reader I am today.

Tack-Tiles are tiny lego blocks with Braille letters, contractions,
numbers, or music symbols on them, depending on which set you
purchase. Sets can also be purchased in different languages. This
product can be extremely benificial because children do not realize
they are learning. I would rapidly lose interest in my reading and
begin to build things with my legos, stopping in fascination as I
realized my house had words on the roof. These legos can hold a
child's attention routed to literacy without his or her knowledge,
thus providing them with more exposure and practice, and making
reading fun.

It is my belief that organizations, and schools helping young
students, or students with multi-disabilities should own a set of
Tack-Tiles. If anyone has any questions or an interest in this
product, please don't hesitate to email me off list at:
daydreamingncolor at gmail.com
Or, visit the Tac-Tiles home page at:
http://www.tack-tiles.com/

Aziza Cano


From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 00:07:05 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:07:05 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
	<D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>
Message-ID: <001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>

I am aware that it could be a violation.  I think I should have been a bit
clearer in my previous post.

What I am specifically asking for guidance with is what questions should I
ask myself to determine if this is something to look into.

A point of clarification:  The landlord specifically said that he would have
to think about it because if something happened because I was blind, he
would feel bad.  I mistakenly left that out.  

I am viewing this just as an employer, many of which have not dealt with a
blind employee, have certain things they can and cannot ask, do the same
protections extend to this arena.

This is more of what I am seeking an answer for.    Thanks for any
assistance.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:42 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination

There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind tenant 
or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can do 
anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your ability to

function in certain situations is not cause in itself for discrimination. On

the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask such 
questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could constitute a

violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
Chuck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>
>
>
> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>
>
>
> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>
>
>
> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions 
> as
> to how I should proceed?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 30 01:29:17 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
Message-ID: <802769.56835.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Thank you for posting.
I offer the following advice:
[1].	Research the local town/city policies on renters and percentage of units for the disabled.
[2].	IN New York City, a publicly rented building is required to offer a percentage of units to low-income, the disabled, and seniors.  To be exact, a renter who owns more than five physical units or properties must keep a percentage of those units for those special populations.
[3].	Private landlords are not required to follow any rules since there renting a single unit within there house.
[4].	lastly, see which local political representative serves your area as well as a local Independent Living center (ILC).
[5].	Treat this like a job hunt always prepared to sell yourself bad most importantly, have someone sighted go with you to insure that what you are being offered is legitimately for the taking and you are not being sold or forced in to something falsely for someone’s greed.
[6].	If you secure a rental place, insure that you document all agreements so a potential landlord can not turn around and tell you that you are unable to have a guide dog on the property for example.

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, WB <mruniverse08 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: WB <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 12:18 PM
> Good morning and happy Saturday to
> all.
> 
>  
> 
> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for
> rent.  When we
> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I
> could live alone
> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a
> fire, how will you get
> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
> 
>  
> 
> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history,
> income, etc.
> 
>  
> 
> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple
> days.  He has not
> returned my call.  I understand that this is his
> property to rent as he
> chooses, but does this smell like rental
> discrimination?  Any suggestions as
> to how I should proceed?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rjs059 at peoplepc.com  Sun Aug 30 02:23:31 2009
From: rjs059 at peoplepc.com (rjs059 at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:23:31 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Skype
Message-ID: <529CA7949F074A1FACA5E2FEAF754A00@rjige047kjawst>

What is skype, and where can I get it? Please email me off List. rjs059 at peoplepc.com
Sincerely, RJ

From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 30 03:34:29 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:34:29 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com><D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>
	<001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
Message-ID: <AF31909AA15F4D23BF2B7D19F294C2B0@spike>

In that case it changes things. The question is whether the landlord would 
feel just as bad if anything happened to his other tenants. Regardless, it 
now sounds like discrimination and if he does not rent to you you should 
file a complaint with your Fair Housing Council if you have one or else the 
U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. I'm not sure if Texas has 
the equivalent of the DFEH or Department of Fair Employment and Housing that 
we have in California but they would investigate such complaints here.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


>I am aware that it could be a violation.  I think I should have been a bit
> clearer in my previous post.
>
> What I am specifically asking for guidance with is what questions should I
> ask myself to determine if this is something to look into.
>
> A point of clarification:  The landlord specifically said that he would 
> have
> to think about it because if something happened because I was blind, he
> would feel bad.  I mistakenly left that out.
>
> I am viewing this just as an employer, many of which have not dealt with a
> blind employee, have certain things they can and cannot ask, do the same
> protections extend to this arena.
>
> This is more of what I am seeking an answer for.    Thanks for any
> assistance.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:42 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
> There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind tenant
> or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can 
> do
> anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your ability 
> to
>
> function in certain situations is not cause in itself for discrimination. 
> On
>
> the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask such
> questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could constitute 
> a
>
> violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
>> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
>> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live 
>> alone
>> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
>> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>>
>>
>>
>> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has 
>> not
>> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
>> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions
>> as
>> to how I should proceed?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 30 13:07:38 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:07:38 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
	<D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>
	<001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
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I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know whether or not a suit or legal  
action is possible, but I just don't get the fundamental basis of the  
landlord's objection.  The landlord sounds as if he may be indulging  
in magical thinking--blindness will cause catastrophe somehow, in the  
same way you shouldn't step on a crack, break your mother's back.   
What is the connection between being blind and having "something bad  
happen?"  How does being blind precipitate misfortune, or how does  
being blind imply increased likelihood of injury?  The landlord sounds  
mentally ill, as I say, and I would be quite dubious of his ability to  
competently carry out any duties related to the place you'd rent.

Mark BurningHawk
stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
Namaste!



From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 14:00:15 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:00:15 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <AC26D127-41C6-487E-A0E0-8222309D2D03@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>	<D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>	<001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
	<AC26D127-41C6-487E-A0E0-8222309D2D03@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <001e01ca297a$372a7a00$a57f6e00$@com>

Thanks for the responses.  I really appreciate them.

I don't think that I would bring suit against this guy, I was just curious
as to different avenues.  As some of you may be aware, my loss of sight is
fairly recent (within the past year and a half) so there are things I am
experiencing for the first time.

Thanks again.  I hope to be able to avoid this situation in the future...or
now be able to have a set of guidelines to go by to protect myself
adequately.

Thanks and have a great Sunday!

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:08 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know whether or not a suit or legal  
action is possible, but I just don't get the fundamental basis of the  
landlord's objection.  The landlord sounds as if he may be indulging  
in magical thinking--blindness will cause catastrophe somehow, in the  
same way you shouldn't step on a crack, break your mother's back.   
What is the connection between being blind and having "something bad  
happen?"  How does being blind precipitate misfortune, or how does  
being blind imply increased likelihood of injury?  The landlord sounds  
mentally ill, as I say, and I would be quite dubious of his ability to  
competently carry out any duties related to the place you'd rent.

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From roddj12 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 30 20:51:08 2009
From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod alcidonis)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:51:08 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-DAV8050B41B581A4BDD63D74BBF30@phx.gbl>

These are legitimate questions to ask, albeit improper ones. These 
questionss, standing alone, do not constitute discrimination. He has not 
refused to rent to you yet because of your blindness. It sounds like this is 
a landlord who is not familiar with the process rather than one who is out 
to discriminate.

Call him in a couple of days.

Rod alcidonis, J.D.
C. (718) 704-4651
roddj12 at hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:18 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>
>
>
> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>
>
>
> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>
>
>
> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions 
> as
> to how I should proceed?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
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From roddj12 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 30 20:58:17 2009
From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod alcidonis)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:58:17 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com><D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike><001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
	<AF31909AA15F4D23BF2B7D19F294C2B0@spike>
Message-ID: <BAY105-DAV96F8126DA337B487FE9A3BBF30@phx.gbl>

Chuck, threat of discrimination does not amount to discrimination. A 
complaint will be premature at this point. Discrimination is an act, and it 
only occurs when the Landlord makes it explicit that he would not rent to a 
blind person because of the person's blindess.

This is an uninformed landlord who needs to be educated.

Rod alcidonis, J.D.
C. (718) 704-4651
roddj12 at hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> In that case it changes things. The question is whether the landlord would 
> feel just as bad if anything happened to his other tenants. Regardless, it 
> now sounds like discrimination and if he does not rent to you you should 
> file a complaint with your Fair Housing Council if you have one or else 
> the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. I'm not sure if 
> Texas has the equivalent of the DFEH or Department of Fair Employment and 
> Housing that we have in California but they would investigate such 
> complaints here.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
>>I am aware that it could be a violation.  I think I should have been a bit
>> clearer in my previous post.
>>
>> What I am specifically asking for guidance with is what questions should 
>> I
>> ask myself to determine if this is something to look into.
>>
>> A point of clarification:  The landlord specifically said that he would 
>> have
>> to think about it because if something happened because I was blind, he
>> would feel bad.  I mistakenly left that out.
>>
>> I am viewing this just as an employer, many of which have not dealt with 
>> a
>> blind employee, have certain things they can and cannot ask, do the same
>> protections extend to this arena.
>>
>> This is more of what I am seeking an answer for.    Thanks for any
>> assistance.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:42 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>
>> There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind 
>> tenant
>> or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can 
>> do
>> anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your ability 
>> to
>>
>> function in certain situations is not cause in itself for discrimination. 
>> On
>>
>> the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask such
>> questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could 
>> constitute a
>>
>> violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
>> Chuck
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>
>>
>>> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
>>> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live 
>>> alone
>>> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
>>> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has 
>>> not
>>> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
>>> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any 
>>> suggestions
>>> as
>>> to how I should proceed?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 30 22:48:21 2009
From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:48:21 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-DAV8050B41B581A4BDD63D74BBF30@phx.gbl>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
	<BAY105-DAV8050B41B581A4BDD63D74BBF30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EB5EEDE5B7C646DDAC7881AC042D2D77@russ>

It may smell like discrimination, but you might not be able to prove it
because of one critical mistake you made. During your phone call, you had
nothing to gain by telling him you were blind. You should have Asked some
questions to determine if he was inclined to rent to you. If it seemed like
he might be inclined to rent to you, save the "I am blind" surprise for your
face-to-face meeting.  If he backed out then, you know the real reason.



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Rod alcidonis
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:51 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination

These are legitimate questions to ask, albeit improper ones. These 
questionss, standing alone, do not constitute discrimination. He has not 
refused to rent to you yet because of your blindness. It sounds like this is

a landlord who is not familiar with the process rather than one who is out 
to discriminate.

Call him in a couple of days.

Rod alcidonis, J.D.
C. (718) 704-4651
roddj12 at hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:18 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>
>
>
> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>
>
>
> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>
>
>
> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions 
> as
> to how I should proceed?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 00:15:51 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:15:51 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-DAV96F8126DA337B487FE9A3BBF30@phx.gbl>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com><D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike><001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com><AF31909AA15F4D23BF2B7D19F294C2B0@spike>
	<BAY105-DAV96F8126DA337B487FE9A3BBF30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <47A07686FBAC491580590492C1F822A3@spike>

You are correct as no real evidence of an act of discrimination has occurred 
and no pattern of discrimination exists here on the part of this landlord.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rod alcidonis" <roddj12 at hotmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> Chuck, threat of discrimination does not amount to discrimination. A 
> complaint will be premature at this point. Discrimination is an act, and 
> it only occurs when the Landlord makes it explicit that he would not rent 
> to a blind person because of the person's blindess.
>
> This is an uninformed landlord who needs to be educated.
>
> Rod alcidonis, J.D.
> C. (718) 704-4651
> roddj12 at hotmail.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
>> In that case it changes things. The question is whether the landlord 
>> would feel just as bad if anything happened to his other tenants. 
>> Regardless, it now sounds like discrimination and if he does not rent to 
>> you you should file a complaint with your Fair Housing Council if you 
>> have one or else the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. 
>> I'm not sure if Texas has the equivalent of the DFEH or Department of 
>> Fair Employment and Housing that we have in California but they would 
>> investigate such complaints here.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>
>>
>>>I am aware that it could be a violation.  I think I should have been a 
>>>bit
>>> clearer in my previous post.
>>>
>>> What I am specifically asking for guidance with is what questions should 
>>> I
>>> ask myself to determine if this is something to look into.
>>>
>>> A point of clarification:  The landlord specifically said that he would 
>>> have
>>> to think about it because if something happened because I was blind, he
>>> would feel bad.  I mistakenly left that out.
>>>
>>> I am viewing this just as an employer, many of which have not dealt with 
>>> a
>>> blind employee, have certain things they can and cannot ask, do the same
>>> protections extend to this arena.
>>>
>>> This is more of what I am seeking an answer for.    Thanks for any
>>> assistance.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:42 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>>
>>> There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind 
>>> tenant
>>> or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can 
>>> do
>>> anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your 
>>> ability to
>>>
>>> function in certain situations is not cause in itself for 
>>> discrimination. On
>>>
>>> the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask 
>>> such
>>> questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could 
>>> constitute a
>>>
>>> violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
>>>> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live 
>>>> alone
>>>> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you 
>>>> get
>>>> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, 
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has 
>>>> not
>>>> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
>>>> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any 
>>>> suggestions
>>>> as
>>>> to how I should proceed?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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>>> al.net
>>>
>>>
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From womankind at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 31 00:53:13 2009
From: womankind at earthlink.net (Stephanie Ortoleva)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:53:13 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <EB5EEDE5B7C646DDAC7881AC042D2D77@russ>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
	<BAY105-DAV8050B41B581A4BDD63D74BBF30@phx.gbl>
	<EB5EEDE5B7C646DDAC7881AC042D2D77@russ>
Message-ID: <E1Mhv8q-0003GU-Oa@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I would have a friend who is not blind call him to see if the 
apartment is still available.  Your friend should start with some 
personal history that would be like yours, e.g., income, last rent 
paid, etc.  Of course, your friend should not be blind and should not 
say anything about being blind.

Then if your friend gets an appointment to come to see the apartment, 
you should call back within a few minutes thereafter to re-express 
your interest.  Then your friend should confirm the appointment he or 
she had arranged -- but better to keep the sex the same as yours -- 
to confirm the appointment.

Seems to me that if your friend gets a "yes"" to making an 
appointment and you never get a callback and your friend does not 
indicate that he is blind, than at least you would have a potential 
"refusal to deal" complaint.  Of course, all this depends on where 
you live, e.g., which state or city and what the civil rights law is there.

What I am suggesting here is to do testing.  and, of course, keep 
records of dates of your phone calls and the calls of your friend who 
you ask to be a tester, and what was said during those calls.

But if the apartment is rented when your friend  calls that is more 
difficult without knowing the date and time of the first call from 
the person to whom the landlord rented  and the date and time at 
which the landlord offered to rent the apartment to that person.

Of course, this is not legal advice as I do not know all the facts of 
your claim and have no knowledge of the law in your jurisdiction.

And, of course, to actually rent the apartment, you would probably 
need to document your income and rental history, employment status, etc.

Good luck.
At 06:48 P
M 8/30/2009, you wrote:
>It may smell like discrimination, but you might not be able to prove it
>because of one critical mistake you made. During your phone call, you had
>nothing to gain by telling him you were blind. You should have Asked some
>questions to determine if he was inclined to rent to you. If it seemed like
>he might be inclined to rent to you, save the "I am blind" surprise for your
>face-to-face meeting.  If he backed out then, you know the real reason.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Rod alcidonis
>Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:51 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>These are legitimate questions to ask, albeit improper ones. These
>questionss, standing alone, do not constitute discrimination. He has not
>refused to rent to you yet because of your blindness. It sounds like this is
>
>a landlord who is not familiar with the process rather than one who is out
>to discriminate.
>
>Call him in a couple of days.
>
>Rod alcidonis, J.D.
>C. (718) 704-4651
>roddj12 at hotmail.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:18 PM
>Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
> > Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
> >
> >
> >
> > I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
> > talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
> > while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
> > out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
> >
> >
> >
> > There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
> > returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
> > chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions
> > as
> > to how I should proceed?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From langlois2 at verizon.net  Mon Aug 31 02:44:25 2009
From: langlois2 at verizon.net (Brian Langlois)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:44:25 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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I wonder if the landlord decides the risk is too high, you could ask him for 
a letter explaining the reasons for his refusal. Such a document would be 
helpful to support an administrative complaint.
Who knows? If he isn't bright enough to know he is discriminating, perhaps 
he would supply the letter!
Hopefully, it won't come to that.
Brian


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> In that case it changes things. The question is whether the landlord would
> feel just as bad if anything happened to his other tenants. Regardless, it
> now sounds like discrimination and if he does not rent to you you should
> file a complaint with your Fair Housing Council if you have one or else 
> the
> U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. I'm not sure if Texas 
> has
> the equivalent of the DFEH or Department of Fair Employment and Housing 
> that
> we have in California but they would investigate such complaints here.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
>>I am aware that it could be a violation.  I think I should have been a bit
>> clearer in my previous post.
>>
>> What I am specifically asking for guidance with is what questions should 
>> I
>> ask myself to determine if this is something to look into.
>>
>> A point of clarification:  The landlord specifically said that he would
>> have
>> to think about it because if something happened because I was blind, he
>> would feel bad.  I mistakenly left that out.
>>
>> I am viewing this just as an employer, many of which have not dealt with 
>> a
>> blind employee, have certain things they can and cannot ask, do the same
>> protections extend to this arena.
>>
>> This is more of what I am seeking an answer for.    Thanks for any
>> assistance.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:42 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>
>> There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind 
>> tenant
>> or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can
>> do
>> anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your ability
>> to
>>
>> function in certain situations is not cause in itself for discrimination.
>> On
>>
>> the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask such
>> questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could 
>> constitute
>> a
>>
>> violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
>> Chuck
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>
>>
>>> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
>>> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live
>>> alone
>>> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
>>> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has
>>> not
>>> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
>>> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any 
>>> suggestions
>>> as
>>> to how I should proceed?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From langlois2 at verizon.net  Mon Aug 31 02:51:24 2009
From: langlois2 at verizon.net (Brian Langlois)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:51:24 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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I've spoken with blind couples who, many years ago, were denied housing 
based on blindness,e.g. landlord couldn't afford to keep a fire truck at the 
ready in case they burned the house down.
I remember having the same concerns when looking at a unit. The fact that we 
didn't have a car was in our favour when the owner made his decision.
Brian


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know whether or not a suit or legal
> action is possible, but I just don't get the fundamental basis of the
> landlord's objection.  The landlord sounds as if he may be indulging
> in magical thinking--blindness will cause catastrophe somehow, in the
> same way you shouldn't step on a crack, break your mother's back.
> What is the connection between being blind and having "something bad
> happen?"  How does being blind precipitate misfortune, or how does
> being blind imply increased likelihood of injury?  The landlord sounds
> mentally ill, as I say, and I would be quite dubious of his ability to
> competently carry out any duties related to the place you'd rent.
>
> Mark BurningHawk
> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
> Namaste!
>
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From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 14:28:37 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:28:37 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <B1CC07BDFC1B499BB166CFCD318DF66C@barney03>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
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Message-ID: <F3711285-9013-4D45-ADD1-0ED926E81905@sbcglobal.net>

I'm still missing something here; why would a blind person burn the  
house down?  I didn't even know it was legal to privately own a fire  
truck, much less keep on residence. :)  I just don't understand the  
magical thinking that goes on between noting that someone's eyes don't  
work and extrapolating every conceivable disaster possible.  When I  
see a deaf person or a person using a wheelchair, I don't  
automatically start watching out for fires or hurricanes or falling  
bricks; the landlord sounds like he might need to be on meds. :)

Mark BurningHawk
stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
Namaste!




From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 19:29:44 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:29:44 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <F3711285-9013-4D45-ADD1-0ED926E81905@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com><D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>	<001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com><AC26D127-41C6-487E-A0E0-8222309D2D03@sbcglobal.net><B1CC07BDFC1B499BB166CFCD318DF66C@barney03>
	<F3711285-9013-4D45-ADD1-0ED926E81905@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <10BFC66FD9464582AFAFE3787E3FFD5B@spike>

being that you have a disability and specifically being blind you don't 
realize the fears and myths that sighted people have about blindness and the 
misunderstandings that the sighted have about how blind people are able to 
function. We know that for sighted people vision is the most used factor in 
a person's life and many sighted people cannot fathom how a blind person is 
able to do anything without the use of vision. It is not a question of 
mental illness or anything like that, it is a question of lack of exposure 
and information that is logical. I frequently have had to explain to many 
people that blindness is actually an easier disability to accommodate or 
adapt to as physical barriers do not need to be overcome or the blind person 
is not isolated because they cannot hear or participate in conversations 
around them, etc. Much of our job as Federationists is to constantly educate 
people and not jump to conclusions that because a person makes an uninformed 
statement regarding the blind or asks questions about how blind people 
function they are mentally ill. The fear factor is very prevalent on the 
part of many sighted people when it comes to losing their sight which is 
discussed in many classes in the counseling professions which is off topic 
for this list.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> I'm still missing something here; why would a blind person burn the  house 
> down?  I didn't even know it was legal to privately own a fire  truck, 
> much less keep on residence. :)  I just don't understand the  magical 
> thinking that goes on between noting that someone's eyes don't  work and 
> extrapolating every conceivable disaster possible.  When I  see a deaf 
> person or a person using a wheelchair, I don't  automatically start 
> watching out for fires or hurricanes or falling  bricks; the landlord 
> sounds like he might need to be on meds. :)
>
> Mark BurningHawk
> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
> Namaste!
>
>
>
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From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 20:43:20 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:43:20 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <10BFC66FD9464582AFAFE3787E3FFD5B@spike>
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I'm sorry if I said something that was mistaken.  I was born blind,  
and I am prone to shun people who seem to have prejudices.  Thus, I am  
not constantly exposed to these myths, nor am I so preoccupied with my  
blindness that I could recognize a myth if one were to rear its head  
during the course of my day.  Indeed, often I have to search my mind  
to figure out what someone is talking to when they engage in this sort  
of mythical approach to me.  I didn't mean to imply that the landlord  
was mentally ill for asking questions about blindness.  However, I  
don't see the relationship between blindness and increased fire  
hazard, so I wouldn't know how to answer such a question.  If he were  
to ask me how I will find the house, I might understand the question  
as one concerning me as a blind person.  HOwever, since I don't think  
of myself as a blind person, but rather as a person whose inability to  
physically see sometimes needs to be worked around, again, I have a  
hard time switching gears to the mind-set that the eyes not working is  
the *ONLY* thing someone perceives, or at least, by far, the most  
impacting.

You're right, though; we're drifting from the list goals.
Mark BurningHawk
stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
Namaste!




From timandvickie at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 31 21:01:07 2009
From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (Tim Shaw)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:01:07 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <F3711285-9013-4D45-ADD1-0ED926E81905@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
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	<B1CC07BDFC1B499BB166CFCD318DF66C@barney03> 
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Message-ID: <BAY139-W117465DD92FC8BCFB5A363CFF20@phx.gbl>


I dont think his point was yould be more likely to burn it down, hes worried he wouldnt get out of the house if it did catch fire.
 
> From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:28:37 -0700
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
> 
> I'm still missing something here; why would a blind person burn the 
> house down? I didn't even know it was legal to privately own a fire 
> truck, much less keep on residence. :) I just don't understand the 
> magical thinking that goes on between noting that someone's eyes don't 
> work and extrapolating every conceivable disaster possible. When I 
> see a deaf person or a person using a wheelchair, I don't 
> automatically start watching out for fires or hurricanes or falling 
> bricks; the landlord sounds like he might need to be on meds. :)
> 
> Mark BurningHawk
> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969
> Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
> Namaste!
> 
> 
> 
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Aug 31 22:02:18 2009
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:02:18 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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I couldn't agree more. The parade of tragedy and terror that will follow the 
blind or visually impaired is truly astounding. Your comments that the 
sighted cannot imagine life without sight as a cause of those types of myths 
is probably the reason.
I recall when I was in college many, many years ago - a friend of mine, with 
great concern in his voice told me that he'd read a study that had been 
conducted by the Mary Hitchcock medical center out of Dartmouth - this was 
back in the early 1980's - that noted a remarkable statistic:
The suicide rate among people diagnosed with terminal cancer was second to 
those who had gone blind later in life.
Apparently the thought of being in permanant darkness had a whole lot to do 
with it.
Of course, my buddy was all concerned that I was going to take some rash 
action as I was going blind. Well, there is just no understanding some 
people out there.
One of these days I should try to see if I can find that Mary-hitchcock 
study he was talking about. I'd like to read it sometime.
    But there you are, even if someone knows you, blindness changes the way 
they all look at you.
I could tell you stories about being a blind attorney that would make your 
hair curl though - and I'm sure that others on this list can do the same 
from their own experiences.
The depths of some people's lack of education is simply amazing though. Like 
the time I was being interviewed for a job by a private practice attorney 
who had just left the attorney general's office - he asked me if I'd learned 
how to use a telephone yet. He followed that one up with the best one I've 
ever heard to date: "Did you take the real bar exam, or one of those tests 
for handicapped people?"
    They're out there folks - they really are, and they outnumber us.
So, when someone relates stories like the landlord in this first posting - 
about all I can say to myself is: "Well, there is someone else who puts his 
logical reasoning "on hold" when he meets a blind person."
But when it comes to tragedies and disasters as a blind man --- I did break 
my foot once about 7 years ago when I stepped into a pothole that was in a 
crosswalk. Does that count as a tragedy?
 Hey, you ever try to walk on crutches with a white cane? There is a trick 
to it...

Ross Doerr



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> being that you have a disability and specifically being blind you don't
> realize the fears and myths that sighted people have about blindness and 
> the
> misunderstandings that the sighted have about how blind people are able to
> function. We know that for sighted people vision is the most used factor 
> in
> a person's life and many sighted people cannot fathom how a blind person 
> is
> able to do anything without the use of vision. It is not a question of
> mental illness or anything like that, it is a question of lack of exposure
> and information that is logical. I frequently have had to explain to many
> people that blindness is actually an easier disability to accommodate or
> adapt to as physical barriers do not need to be overcome or the blind 
> person
> is not isolated because they cannot hear or participate in conversations
> around them, etc. Much of our job as Federationists is to constantly 
> educate
> people and not jump to conclusions that because a person makes an 
> uninformed
> statement regarding the blind or asks questions about how blind people
> function they are mentally ill. The fear factor is very prevalent on the
> part of many sighted people when it comes to losing their sight which is
> discussed in many classes in the counseling professions which is off topic
> for this list.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
>> I'm still missing something here; why would a blind person burn the 
>> house
>> down?  I didn't even know it was legal to privately own a fire  truck,
>> much less keep on residence. :)  I just don't understand the  magical
>> thinking that goes on between noting that someone's eyes don't  work and
>> extrapolating every conceivable disaster possible.  When I  see a deaf
>> person or a person using a wheelchair, I don't  automatically start
>> watching out for fires or hurricanes or falling  bricks; the landlord
>> sounds like he might need to be on meds. :)
>>
>> Mark BurningHawk
>> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>> Namaste!
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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>
>
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From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 22:11:28 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:11:28 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-W117465DD92FC8BCFB5A363CFF20@phx.gbl>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
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	<001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
	<AC26D127-41C6-487E-A0E0-8222309D2D03@sbcglobal.net>
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	<BAY139-W117465DD92FC8BCFB5A363CFF20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <184019D3-0D04-48E9-AF41-FDA7DDD4D75F@sbcglobal.net>

Sorry, but it just doesn't follow logically for me; A sighted person  
who lives in an apartment, I am pretty sure, does not need sight to  
get around that place.  I could be wrong on this, and it was mentioned  
that the original poster was newly blind, so maybe I'm just not  
getting the context right.  Anyway, let's either take this off list or  
let it go, because I am not communicating my issue well and am adding  
go list clutter.

Mark BurningHawk
stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
Namaste!



From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 22:30:36 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:30:36 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <34AC35F727C64AC8955A909BA59745B7@none8a46117901>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com><D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>	<001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com><AC26D127-41C6-487E-A0E0-8222309D2D03@sbcglobal.net><B1CC07BDFC1B499BB166CFCD318DF66C@barney03><F3711285-9013-4D45-ADD1-0ED926E81905@sbcglobal.net>
	<10BFC66FD9464582AFAFE3787E3FFD5B@spike>
	<34AC35F727C64AC8955A909BA59745B7@none8a46117901>
Message-ID: <5684A201-162B-4869-98EF-3FD97EB7D2D9@sbcglobal.net>

I went to Dartmouth, class of 1990.  I only bring it up because you  
mentioned Mary Hitchcock.

For me, the problem is more basic.  I can't imagine life without legs,  
either, or a strong body, but that doesn't mean that if I meet someone  
who leads a life without legs, that I will "logically," deduce that he  
or she cannot think or cook or function.  I will merely observe to see  
if he or she has adapted; if not, then that's more his/her personal  
hell than mine; if so, then that is merely what I would expect of any  
strong person.  I'm not sure that a lack of education explains it,  
since attorneys, as some here may attest, have asked disconnected  
questions such a whether or not you can use a phone--another one I  
can't conceive of the connection.  There seems to be here demonstrated  
a lapse into fear-driven temporary insanity, in which Aristotelian  
logic or orderly, progressive reasoning does not function.  This is  
why I am almost always caught unprepared whenever confronted by  
someone acting irrationally around me.

Mark BurningHawk
stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
Namaste!



From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 23:45:24 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:45:24 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <BAY139-W117465DD92FC8BCFB5A363CFF20@phx.gbl>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>	<D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>	<001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>	<AC26D127-41C6-487E-A0E0-8222309D2D03@sbcglobal.net>	<B1CC07BDFC1B499BB166CFCD318DF66C@barney03>
	<F3711285-9013-4D45-ADD1-0ED926E81905@sbcglobal.net>
	<BAY139-W117465DD92FC8BCFB5A363CFF20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008101ca2a95$2012d800$60388800$@com>

Good afternoon group!  I hope your Monday has gone well.

As the person who posted this question, I would like to say that I have
received a wealth of information within this string of e-mails.  I had no
idea that my question would elicit so much interest.  I am thankful for
that.  I have received some great guidelines and suggestions that I will
carry with me.

I appreciate the comments as they have all helped me in some way.  Thank you
all and have a great week!

William

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Shaw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:01 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


I dont think his point was yould be more likely to burn it down, hes worried
he wouldnt get out of the house if it did catch fire.
 
> From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:28:37 -0700
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
> 
> I'm still missing something here; why would a blind person burn the 
> house down? I didn't even know it was legal to privately own a fire 
> truck, much less keep on residence. :) I just don't understand the 
> magical thinking that goes on between noting that someone's eyes don't 
> work and extrapolating every conceivable disaster possible. When I 
> see a deaf person or a person using a wheelchair, I don't 
> automatically start watching out for fires or hurricanes or falling 
> bricks; the landlord sounds like he might need to be on meds. :)
> 
> Mark BurningHawk
> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969
> Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
> Namaste!
> 
> 
> 
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From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 14:52:54 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 09:52:54 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Question from Texas
Message-ID: <00f601ca12b7$c4995a20$4dcc0e60$@com>

Hello group.  I have a question and I will try to not be too lengthy.

 

Last night after 8 p.m., after it was dark outside, I was sitting in my
living room when some people start to bang on my door.  I went to the door
and yelled through asking who it was.  They stated they were apartment
security.  Considering I live in a not so savory neighborhood and I had not
been out of my apartment for the past couple days, I was weary of opening
the door.  I asked what they wanted and they told me to open the door.  I
told them I would call the police first and then I would open the door.
They continued to bang to the point that it seemed as though they were
trying to push my door open.  

 

Once I called the police, I told the dispatcher that I was blind and that
people were knocking on the door loudly and saying they are security.  I
know that we sometimes have security but it is not a consistent thing.  The
dispatcher asked if I wanted to stay online and I told her yes because when
the cop got here I needed to know if it was really him.  Well, shortly
afterwards, there was another loud knock on the door and immediately
thereafter banging on the window.  I yelled through the door asking who it
is and he said it was the police.  I asked what was his badge number so I
could ask the dispatcher and he refused.

 

I eventually open the door when the dispatcher says you can probably go
ahead and open the door.  He then pushes my door open and asks me if I had
stolen someone's cell phone and taken out running.  I told him no
considering I'm blind and cannot outrun anybody.  He then told me to stand
outside my apartment and proceeded to go through my apartment, apparently
looking for somebody.  When he was done, all he said was to go back in and
close my door.  

 

There are so many things wrong with this situation that I do not think I am
really grasping the magnitude of this.  Could someone tell me what all I
need to report to the police department?  I tried calling and filing a
complaint right after this incident last night and they would not accept it.
They actually put me on hold when I started telling my story and never came
back to the phone.  I'm also going to report, in writing, to my apartment
managers that security handled themselves very unprofessionally by banging
on my door.  Someone please give me some guidance.

 

William


From rjs059 at peoplepc.com  Sat Aug  1 17:26:30 2009
From: rjs059 at peoplepc.com (rjs059 at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:26:30 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question from Texas
References: <00f601ca12b7$c4995a20$4dcc0e60$@com>
Message-ID: <31983953D1104AAEB355F29139E80348@rjige047kjawst>

That's a violation of this mans constitutional rights Correct? RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "BlindLaw" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Question from Texas


> Hello group.  I have a question and I will try to not be too lengthy.
>
>
>
> Last night after 8 p.m., after it was dark outside, I was sitting in my
> living room when some people start to bang on my door.  I went to the door
> and yelled through asking who it was.  They stated they were apartment
> security.  Considering I live in a not so savory neighborhood and I had 
> not
> been out of my apartment for the past couple days, I was weary of opening
> the door.  I asked what they wanted and they told me to open the door.  I
> told them I would call the police first and then I would open the door.
> They continued to bang to the point that it seemed as though they were
> trying to push my door open.
>
>
>
> Once I called the police, I told the dispatcher that I was blind and that
> people were knocking on the door loudly and saying they are security.  I
> know that we sometimes have security but it is not a consistent thing. 
> The
> dispatcher asked if I wanted to stay online and I told her yes because 
> when
> the cop got here I needed to know if it was really him.  Well, shortly
> afterwards, there was another loud knock on the door and immediately
> thereafter banging on the window.  I yelled through the door asking who it
> is and he said it was the police.  I asked what was his badge number so I
> could ask the dispatcher and he refused.
>
>
>
> I eventually open the door when the dispatcher says you can probably go
> ahead and open the door.  He then pushes my door open and asks me if I had
> stolen someone's cell phone and taken out running.  I told him no
> considering I'm blind and cannot outrun anybody.  He then told me to stand
> outside my apartment and proceeded to go through my apartment, apparently
> looking for somebody.  When he was done, all he said was to go back in and
> close my door.
>
>
>
> There are so many things wrong with this situation that I do not think I 
> am
> really grasping the magnitude of this.  Could someone tell me what all I
> need to report to the police department?  I tried calling and filing a
> complaint right after this incident last night and they would not accept 
> it.
> They actually put me on hold when I started telling my story and never 
> came
> back to the phone.  I'm also going to report, in writing, to my apartment
> managers that security handled themselves very unprofessionally by banging
> on my door.  Someone please give me some guidance.
>
>
>
> William
>
> _______________________________________________
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> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From info at michaelhingson.com  Sun Aug  2 22:54:26 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:54:26 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KnfbReader Mobile pricing and seminar announcements
Message-ID: <auto-000110212755@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Just before the NFB national convention I announced that the price for the
KnfbReader when purchased from the NFB and The Michael Hingson Group was
decreasing.  Since there have been some questions about pricing after the
convention I want to clarify that this price decrease is permanent so long
as we continue to receive our present costs from our suppliers.  The pricing
is as follows:

The Basic KnfbReader Mobile including software and the Nokia N82 phone,
$1,370.00.

Talks screen reader optional add-on when purchased at the same time as the
Reader, $225.00.

Talks screen reader when purchased at another time, $295.00.

MobileSpeak screen reader purchased at any time, $295.00.

WayFinder Access GPS option for the KnfbReader system, $395.00.

NEW!  Extended battery for the Nokia N82, $35.00.

New!  Bluetooth headset with ear buds, model BH-201, $50.00.

New!  Nokia Bluetooth headset with ear covers, $75.00.

New!  Nokia Bluetooth keyboard model SU-8w, $125.00.

All prices are plus shipping and tax in California.  If you have questions
about the Reader or would like to order one please email me at
info at michaelhingson.com and I will get back to you or have one of our NFB
KnfbReader dealers contact you.  Also, don't forget that the National
Federation of the Blind has a %3 low interest loan program for those who
need help in purchasing the Reader.

I also want to ask if anyone would be interested in attending either an
upcoming online audio seminar or a conference call teleseminar to demo the
KnfbReader Mobile?  If so, please email me off list at
info at michaelhingson.com and tell me some times convenient for you to attend
either demo and which one you would be interested in attending.

Finally, over the summer many readers were sold at the various national
organizational conventions.  We are contemplating holding online or
conference call training sessions to help people get started using their
Readers.  Please email me at info at michaelhingson.com if you would like to
attend either kind of seminar.  Please include times convenient for you to
attend and which kind of seminar would be best for you.  All seminars are
free to everyone.  I will announce the status of the seminars as soon as I
get a sense from you about when and how to hold them.

Please send this on to others whom you think might be interested in knowing
more about the KnfbReader Mobile.  Happy reading to all.  Thanks for your
attention and time.


Best,


Michael Hingson

The Michael Hingson Group
      "Speaking with Vision"
                  Michael Hingson, President
                          (415) 827-4084
                    info at michaelhingson.com
                    www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
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From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug  2 15:39:06 2009
From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:39:06 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KnfbReader Mobile pricing and seminar announcements
References: <auto-000110212755@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <00e601ca1387$6004f210$81794a0c@HP8730notebook>

got this message on ten different lists.
why isn't everyone automatically subscribed to nfb-announce when signing up 
for any of the other nfb net lists?
why do people refuse to use nfb-announce/only send it once and why does the 
moderator allow bandwith to be wasted?
Bryan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Hingson (by way of David Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)" 
<info at michaelhingson.com>
To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 5:54 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] KnfbReader Mobile pricing and seminar announcements


>
> Just before the NFB national convention I announced that the price for the
> KnfbReader when purchased from the NFB and The Michael Hingson Group was
> decreasing.  Since there have been some questions about pricing after the
> convention I want to clarify that this price decrease is permanent so long
> as we continue to receive our present costs from our suppliers.  The 
> pricing
> is as follows:
>
> The Basic KnfbReader Mobile including software and the Nokia N82 phone,
> $1,370.00.
>
> Talks screen reader optional add-on when purchased at the same time as the
> Reader, $225.00.
>
> Talks screen reader when purchased at another time, $295.00.
>
> MobileSpeak screen reader purchased at any time, $295.00.
>
> WayFinder Access GPS option for the KnfbReader system, $395.00.
>
> NEW!  Extended battery for the Nokia N82, $35.00.
>
> New!  Bluetooth headset with ear buds, model BH-201, $50.00.
>
> New!  Nokia Bluetooth headset with ear covers, $75.00.
>
> New!  Nokia Bluetooth keyboard model SU-8w, $125.00.
>
> All prices are plus shipping and tax in California.  If you have questions
> about the Reader or would like to order one please email me at
> info at michaelhingson.com and I will get back to you or have one of our NFB
> KnfbReader dealers contact you.  Also, don't forget that the National
> Federation of the Blind has a %3 low interest loan program for those who
> need help in purchasing the Reader.
>
> I also want to ask if anyone would be interested in attending either an
> upcoming online audio seminar or a conference call teleseminar to demo the
> KnfbReader Mobile?  If so, please email me off list at
> info at michaelhingson.com and tell me some times convenient for you to 
> attend
> either demo and which one you would be interested in attending.
>
> Finally, over the summer many readers were sold at the various national
> organizational conventions.  We are contemplating holding online or
> conference call training sessions to help people get started using their
> Readers.  Please email me at info at michaelhingson.com if you would like to
> attend either kind of seminar.  Please include times convenient for you to
> attend and which kind of seminar would be best for you.  All seminars are
> free to everyone.  I will announce the status of the seminars as soon as I
> get a sense from you about when and how to hold them.
>
> Please send this on to others whom you think might be interested in 
> knowing
> more about the KnfbReader Mobile.  Happy reading to all.  Thanks for your
> attention and time.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> The Michael Hingson Group
>      "Speaking with Vision"
>                  Michael Hingson, President
>                          (415) 827-4084
>                    info at michaelhingson.com
>                    www.michaelhingson.com
>
>
> for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov  Wed Aug  5 19:00:56 2009
From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/CBC))
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:00:56 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] National Release Ten Outstanding Young Americans
Message-ID: <BBA045412218F84A8C4ED7B65BED5EE10741BEE9@AVN3VS002.ees.hhs.gov>

See the attached. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Gary Norman

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From craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 22:10:23 2009
From: craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com (Craig Spencer)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:10:23 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1>
	<COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
law offer any additional training for use with jaws?





From Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov  Wed Aug  5 22:42:34 2009
From: Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov (Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS))
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:42:34 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>
	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
Message-ID: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F60413DE00@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov>

I believe most of us use the www.text.westlaw.com version, and now there
is the very streamlined www.sireless.westlaw.com which works fine with
screen readers.  Westlaw used to provide training for free upon request,
and at least one of their trainers learned JAWS, and was very good at
explaining matters with JAWS in mind.  He since left, but hopefully West
has trained someone else on JAWS.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does
west law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From phingus at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 23:05:30 2009
From: phingus at gmail.com (Philip Sklover)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:05:30 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>
	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
Message-ID: <DB736AD806414131B3692F1CC01DA526@phingus>

Westlaw has created a special website for persons who are blind or have low
vision.  The URL of that website is "http//text.westlaw.com".  While that
site does not do everything which is available on the larger, far more
complex Westlaw site, it does 90% of what is on that site.  As formally the
Associate General Counsel of a Federal  agency's large appellate court's
program, I frequently recommended that site to my sighted staff.  

	Westlaw provides free telephone instruction by instructors who are
well versed in Jaws.  For years, I took twice weekly lessons from Kent
Rinker, who is an expert with Westlaw and Jaws.  He can be reached at 800
888 9907, extension 82416.  In addition, West  provide technical assistance
by specialists who know Jaws, and will assist in configuring a person's PC
to maximize Westlaw with Jaws.  

	I have found the West Publishing Company to be a highly sensitive
and responsible employer to the needs of persons with  visual difficulties.


Philip Sklover





Philip B. Sklover
 
-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 23:14:56 2009
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:14:56 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1>	<COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>
	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
Message-ID: <4a7a1273.c5c2f10a.0ed5.ffffc9f3@mx.google.com>

Hi,

I use the regular westlaw homepage for most things. If I want a specific
citation, I might use the text-only page. I received individualized Westlaw
training from my firm (because I was the only summer associate in that
particular office), but it was not JAWS-specific. I still found it helpful.

Angie



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 23:20:38 2009
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:20:38 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <DB736AD806414131B3692F1CC01DA526@phingus>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
	<DB736AD806414131B3692F1CC01DA526@phingus>
Message-ID: <4a7a13c9.47c2f10a.0196.7a22@mx.google.com>

Hello Philip,

This is excellent information. I wasn't aware that I could get Westlaw
instruction from people who know JAWS.

I would say, though, that my experience with the text-only site was not as
positive. I did not like the fact that it displayed much less about
individual search results. I like the fact that on the main site, extracts
of the search results containing the terms for which I searched are
displayed. This did not seem to be the case the last time I used the
text-only site. It also did not seem to display as many supplemental
results. Since the main site is accessible with JAWS, I opt for that unless
I know exactly what I want to retrieve. Then, I take advantage of the less
cluttered interface.

Angie



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Philip Sklover
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:06 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw

Westlaw has created a special website for persons who are blind or have low
vision.  The URL of that website is "http//text.westlaw.com".  While that
site does not do everything which is available on the larger, far more
complex Westlaw site, it does 90% of what is on that site.  As formally the
Associate General Counsel of a Federal  agency's large appellate court's
program, I frequently recommended that site to my sighted staff.  

	Westlaw provides free telephone instruction by instructors who are
well versed in Jaws.  For years, I took twice weekly lessons from Kent
Rinker, who is an expert with Westlaw and Jaws.  He can be reached at 800
888 9907, extension 82416.  In addition, West  provide technical assistance
by specialists who know Jaws, and will assist in configuring a person's PC
to maximize Westlaw with Jaws.  

	I have found the West Publishing Company to be a highly sensitive
and responsible employer to the needs of persons with  visual difficulties.


Philip Sklover





Philip B. Sklover
 
-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From darlene.olsen at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 00:14:07 2009
From: darlene.olsen at gmail.com (Darlene Olsen)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:14:07 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>
	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
Message-ID: <631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>

Salutations,
     While conducting research at the Sacramento State Law Livrary I used 
Lexis Nexus and West Law databases.  They had a special computer for Zoon 
Tex, however there was not anything for JAWS.  The librarians said that they 
would look into the Jaws software.  I joined a law school and recently asked 
if Jaws is compatible with Lexis Nezxus.  The response is negative and 
honest in that Jaws and Lexis Nexus is clunky and many there are problems 
with these two subjects.
Best Wishes,
Darlene Olsen
First Year Law Student
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Spencer" <craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw


> Hello,
>
> Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
> law offer any additional training for use with jaws?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  6 00:49:56 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:49:56 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl><031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
	<631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>
Message-ID: <4F4DE26BB85D460388D25905364EADAF@spike>

One of the attorneys that I contract with uses Lexis Nexus for his on line 
research and as I use the attorney's research tools I have used Lexis Nexus 
with haws and had no problem. However, my preference is for Westlaw , I 
guess probably because it is what I first learned with when research done by 
blind lawyers students or paralegals was done in the stacks of a law library 
with a reader. Of course, it has gotten better since then.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darlene Olsen" <darlene.olsen at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw


> Salutations,
>     While conducting research at the Sacramento State Law Livrary I used 
> Lexis Nexus and West Law databases.  They had a special computer for Zoon 
> Tex, however there was not anything for JAWS.  The librarians said that 
> they would look into the Jaws software.  I joined a law school and 
> recently asked if Jaws is compatible with Lexis Nezxus.  The response is 
> negative and honest in that Jaws and Lexis Nexus is clunky and many there 
> are problems with these two subjects.
> Best Wishes,
> Darlene Olsen
> First Year Law Student
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Craig Spencer" <craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
>> law offer any additional training for use with jaws?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 01:16:09 2009
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:16:09 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
	<631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>
Message-ID: <4a7a2edb.c6c1f10a.7144.ffff9c8c@mx.google.com>

Hi,

I'm sorry you were given that information. I found Lexis to be very
accessible with JAWS. There was only one area that I ever found where
buttons were not labeled properly. This had to do with Shepardizing, though
I don't remember the exact context now. I called the customer service line,
and someone was able to replicate the problem and tell me what to do.

I have found that several JAWS commands, like using x and shift-x to move
between check boxes, can make it pretty easy for me to navigate search
results in Lexis. 

I have used JAWS versions 8 and later with both Lexis and Westlaw without
difficulty. I don't know if older versions of JAWS work as well.

Best,

Angie


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Darlene Olsen
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:14 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw

Salutations,
     While conducting research at the Sacramento State Law Livrary I used 
Lexis Nexus and West Law databases.  They had a special computer for Zoon 
Tex, however there was not anything for JAWS.  The librarians said that they

would look into the Jaws software.  I joined a law school and recently asked

if Jaws is compatible with Lexis Nezxus.  The response is negative and 
honest in that Jaws and Lexis Nexus is clunky and many there are problems 
with these two subjects.
Best Wishes,
Darlene Olsen
First Year Law Student
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Spencer" <craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw


> Hello,
>
> Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
> law offer any additional training for use with jaws?
>
>
>
>
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From jazenmazen at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  6 01:42:53 2009
From: jazenmazen at yahoo.com (Mazen)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:42:53 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Announcement
Message-ID: <000001ca1637$373c9510$a5b5bf30$@com>

Dear All,

 

I wanted to let you know that I was recently appointed to the DOJ as Counsel
to the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights. I look forward to
working with all of you to advance the cause of justice for blind persons
and all persons with disabilities. Please feel free to contact me regarding
any matters you think the Civil Rights Division should investigate  or
become involved with. 

 

My new work contact info is:

 

Tell: 202-305-1876 

e-mail: mazen.basrawi at usdoj.gov

 

Please feel free to pass on my contact information appropriately.   

 

 

Sincerely,

 

M~

 

Mazen M. Basrawi 


From chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 02:09:04 2009
From: chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com (mr. |Chikodinaka)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:09:04 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1528def40908051909u510b0175x22ef710a5d64a31b@mail.gmail.com>

mr. Oguledo is it aganst the blind law 2text and use a cane? it is
Aganst the law sightit 2text and drive a car/buss or other
trancepotation so can u use a cane and still use text|messageing?

-- 
Chikodinaka Nickkindidm Oguledo


From darlene.olsen at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 02:36:41 2009
From: darlene.olsen at gmail.com (Darlene Olsen)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:36:41 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Announcement
References: <000001ca1637$373c9510$a5b5bf30$@com>
Message-ID: <D168C25B2A474C24876F52C5FA2E3377@DarleneOlsen>

Congratulations

Sincerely,
Darlene Olsen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mazen" <jazenmazen at yahoo.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Announcement


> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I wanted to let you know that I was recently appointed to the DOJ as 
> Counsel
> to the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights. I look forward to
> working with all of you to advance the cause of justice for blind persons
> and all persons with disabilities. Please feel free to contact me 
> regarding
> any matters you think the Civil Rights Division should investigate  or
> become involved with.
>
>
>
> My new work contact info is:
>
>
>
> Tell: 202-305-1876
>
> e-mail: mazen.basrawi at usdoj.gov
>
>
>
> Please feel free to pass on my contact information appropriately.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> M~
>
>
>
> Mazen M. Basrawi
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  6 08:10:31 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 01:10:31 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1528def40908051909u510b0175x22ef710a5d64a31b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1528def40908051909u510b0175x22ef710a5d64a31b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319585E7121447EB9E26D13F894627A3@spike>

If someone could be coordinated enough to use a cane and text, more power to 
them! Driving of course is a different story. I would be more concerned 
about the potential liability that the blind person would have if they were 
texting while using their cane and were careless causing someone to trip 
over it.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mr. |Chikodinaka" <chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:09 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)


> mr. Oguledo is it aganst the blind law 2text and use a cane? it is
> Aganst the law sightit 2text and drive a car/buss or other
> trancepotation so can u use a cane and still use text|messageing?
>
> -- 
> Chikodinaka Nickkindidm Oguledo
>
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From jweisberg at screncilaw.com  Thu Aug  6 12:35:27 2009
From: jweisberg at screncilaw.com (James Weisberg)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:35:27 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl>
	<031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
Message-ID: <FC50B49ED94B8A45A9AA3CE6D096CAED1F3733@2K3FS1.screnci.local>

I use the regular Westlaw homepage with JAWS.  It is very cumbersome and difficult.  I have considered approaching Thomson West about whether they offer JAWS training but have not gotten around to it.  If you find out anything in this regard drop me a line.  Thanks.

James W. Weisberg, Esq. 
Law Office of Stephen W. Screnci, P.A.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does west 
law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From b75205 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 13:36:19 2009
From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:36:19 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)
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Last year I was at the NFB convention escorting people around the Dallas
Anatole Hotel and for the day that you all had the walk across Dallas, I
figured they needed the help that day!  We had quite a few people using
their canes.  Generally poeple knew what they were doing and were gentle
with the cane, but there were a sizeable amount of people who were swinging
that thing around so violently that when it hit it was actually painful.   A
lot of bruises after that event!

And what was interesting was that some of these people who were swinging
simply didn't care at all about what they hit, some through lack of
experience, but there were some who appeared to be doing it on purpose.  The
"In your face" type of thing, but the problem was the people they were
hitting were hotel staff and volunteers like me who came down to help out at
the convention.  We all got to know who was violent with the cane and
avoided them.

So if you were escorted around the Antatole on that day, chances are that
was me. Also I stood in front of that post between the staircase and the
main ballroom and announced the post when people were coming into the main
sessions in the main ballroom so you all knew there was a big post blocking
the way because people were having to find it to navigate around it. And
with a few hundred people with canes it caused the crowd to get held up.   I
suggest in future conventions that they get some volunteers to do this
because it really saves time in moving crowds of people if there is someone
standing in front of an obstacle to announce it.

James Pepper

From DFrye at nfb.org  Thu Aug  6 14:41:49 2009
From: DFrye at nfb.org (Frye, Dan)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:41:49 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)
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Message-ID: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B012C0A3F@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>

List Colleagues:
I'm not sure what exactly inspired this post. It seems unrelated to law,
the legal profession, or blindness. Despite a few problems that are
inherent in a large group dynamic, the NFB conventions run smoothly
because of independent, self-sufficient convention participants, the use
of marshals to announce important landmarks, and the occasional
volunteer to be of assistance to people who require support for one
reason or another. In short, convention operations are a pretty well
oiled machine that succeed because of good community spirit, effective
organizational planning, and established support systems.

Thank you, James, for any role you may have played in improving the 2008
operations of the Dallas convention. Mostly, though, I think we're
fairly aware of and responsive to the logistical planning that is
required for producing an excellent conference. Nevertheless, I'll pass
your feedback along to convention planners so that they can give your
post the attention that it merits.

***********************
Daniel B. Frye, J.D.
Associate Editor
The Braille Monitor
National Federation of the Blind
Office of the President
1800 Johnson Street
Baltimore, Maryland 21230
Telephone: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2208
Mobile: (410) 241-7006
Fax: (410) 685-5653
Email: DFrye at nfb.org
Web Address: www.nfb.org
"Voice of the Nation's Blind"
The Braille literacy crisis in America jeopardizes opportunities for
blind people throughout the country.
You can be part of the solution. 


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of James Pepper
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:36 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] (no subject)

Last year I was at the NFB convention escorting people around the Dallas
Anatole Hotel and for the day that you all had the walk across Dallas, I
figured they needed the help that day!  We had quite a few people using
their canes.  Generally poeple knew what they were doing and were gentle
with the cane, but there were a sizeable amount of people who were
swinging
that thing around so violently that when it hit it was actually painful.
A
lot of bruises after that event!

And what was interesting was that some of these people who were swinging
simply didn't care at all about what they hit, some through lack of
experience, but there were some who appeared to be doing it on purpose.
The "In your face" type of thing, but the problem was the people they
were hitting were hotel staff and volunteers like me who came down to
help out at the convention.  We all got to know who was violent with the
cane and avoided them.

So if you were escorted around the Antatole on that day, chances are
that was me. Also I stood in front of that post between the staircase
and the main ballroom and announced the post when people were coming
into the main sessions in the main ballroom so you all knew there was a
big post blocking the way because people were having to find it to
navigate around it. And
with a few hundred people with canes it caused the crowd to get held up.
I
suggest in future conventions that they get some volunteers to do this
because it really saves time in moving crowds of people if there is
someone standing in front of an obstacle to announce it.

James Pepper
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From jrelton at verizon.net  Thu Aug  6 15:02:10 2009
From: jrelton at verizon.net (Joy Relton)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:02:10 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
In-Reply-To: <631334E3BA9A4C1C9C2A019F2F157590@DarleneOlsen>
Message-ID: <538D69E5B09A4D1B9A48476032D98ACE@JoyRelton>

OH Darlene that is sad news. I used Nexus Lexis many years ago with JAWS and
like it very much because I could type in a whole string search and get the
information quickly. I've had limited use with Westlaw but they certainly
have a reputation for accessibility.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Darlene Olsen
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:14 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw


Salutations,
     While conducting research at the Sacramento State Law Livrary I used 
Lexis Nexus and West Law databases.  They had a special computer for Zoon 
Tex, however there was not anything for JAWS.  The librarians said that they

would look into the Jaws software.  I joined a law school and recently asked

if Jaws is compatible with Lexis Nezxus.  The response is negative and 
honest in that Jaws and Lexis Nexus is clunky and many there are problems 
with these two subjects.
Best Wishes,
Darlene Olsen
First Year Law Student
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Spencer" <craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw


> Hello,
>
> Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does 
> west
> law offer any additional training for use with jaws?
>
>
>
>
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From Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov  Thu Aug  6 15:33:29 2009
From: Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov (Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS))
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:33:29 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Westlaw, Error in Internet Address
Message-ID: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F60413DE10@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov>

In my original note on this subject, see below, I just noticed I made a
typo in the web page for Westlaw that was designed for small wireless
device screens, and thus is a nice simple and clean layout that JAWS
likes.  The correct address is:

www.wireless.westlaw.com

 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS)
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:43 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw

I believe most of us use the www.text.westlaw.com version, and now there
is the very streamlined www.sireless.westlaw.com which works fine with
screen readers.  Westlaw used to provide training for free upon request,
and at least one of their trainers learned JAWS, and was very good at
explaining matters with JAWS in mind.  He since left, but hopefully West
has trained someone else on JAWS.
 

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Craig Spencer
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:10 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw

Hello,

Do persons on this list use the regular home page for Westlaw?  Does
west law offer any additional training for use with jaws?




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From PMaurer at nfb.org  Thu Aug  6 15:58:58 2009
From: PMaurer at nfb.org (Maurer, Patricia)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:58:58 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] How many children in America are not taught to read?
Message-ID: <auto-000113299196@mailfront2.g2host.com>


----------
From: Marc Maurer [mailto:outreach at nfb.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:14 PM
To: Maurer, Patricia
Subject: How many children in America are not taught to read?

The answer is 90 percent if the children are blind.  Most Americans 
are shocked to hear this statistic.  And we should be.  The blind 
read and write using Braille, so why is our educational system 
failing to teach Braille to so many children?  Why are these children 
being denied the opportunities that come with a proper 
education?  What if you could not read and write?  Where would you be today?

There are three primary reasons for this educational crisis: (1) 
there are not enough Braille teachers; (2) some teachers of blind 
children have not received enough training; and (3) many educators do 
not think Braille instruction is even necessary.

To bring critically-needed attention to this educational crisis, the 
United States Congress authorized the minting of the 2009 Louis 
Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar with a portion of the sale of each 
coin going toward a revolutionary and comprehensive Braille literacy 
campaign.

Learning to read and write is fundamental to education, which in turn 
is paramount to full and equal participation in American 
society.  This coin, the first U.S. coin to have proper tactile 
Braille, symbolizes independence, opportunity, and the potential of 
blind people to make significant contributions to society when they 
are taught to read and write using Braille.  To learn more, read our 
report 
<http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=yeymcYhMheQ-y7-mcNDRWg..>The 
Braille Literacy Crisis in America, or watch our video 
<http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=8AWBxYZpjpELqegcgZlFhg..>Making 
Change with a Dollar.

<http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=oU7TznrVm6kt3P1O7AWYDg..>Please 
purchase this unique and beautiful coin now and help solve this 
educational crisis for blind children in America.

The law authorizing this 2009 silver dollar requires that any coins 
not sold by midnight on December 31, 2009, be melted down.  Time is 
of the essence--a 90 percent illiteracy rate is not acceptable and 
the opportunity to purchase this coin will soon be gone.

Be part of the solution.  Give the gift of literacy.  Create new 
opportunities. 
<http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=nMVjIeI1iave6Nk717B4dA..>Buy 
the Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar today.

Marc Maurer, President
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND


From craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 21:41:53 2009
From: craigspencer2.0 at gmail.com (Craig Spencer)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:41:53 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] westlaw
References: <000d01c916f5$f9e89e20$62e943a4@DF5R2QD1><COL0-DAV59E42067152331488E2C1C3520@phx.gbl><031b01ca1619$8850a360$6401a8c0@craig031ff0b62>
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Thanks everyone for this discussion.
I had a talk with Kent Rinker as suggested.  Working with text.westlaw.com 
seems very efficient with jaws.  But also working with westlaw.com could be 
very useful.  I will be in contact with him in the future.

  He can be reached at 800
888 9907, extension 82416

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Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] westlaw


>I use the regular Westlaw homepage with JAWS.  It is very cumbersome and 
>difficult.  I have considered approaching Thomson West about whether they 
>offer JAWS training but have not gotten around to it.  If you find out 
>anything in this regard drop me a line.  Thanks.
>
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>
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From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 21:45:31 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:45:31 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
Message-ID: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>

Hello All.

 

Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have tried
the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services for
a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the old
attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me to
do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
worked for in order to get referrals.

 

My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the local
bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.  

 

Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a blind
paralegal a second thought where I am.

 

William


From rfarber at jw.com  Thu Aug  6 22:42:45 2009
From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:42:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
In-Reply-To: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
Message-ID: <8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F10C5B4454@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com>

William - Instead of a mass mailing, how about spending time at the
courthouse watching motions to determine solo practitioners or small
firms that may need your assistance.  You could then approach them in
person.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of WB
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:46 PM
To: BlindLaw
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal

Hello All.

 

Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have
tried
the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services
for
a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the
old
attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me
to
do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
worked for in order to get referrals.

 

My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the
local
bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.  

 

Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a
blind
paralegal a second thought where I am.

 

William

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From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 00:47:45 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:47:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
In-Reply-To: <8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F10C5B4454@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com>
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
	<8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F10C5B4454@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com>
Message-ID: <001301ca16f8$b17bedf0$1473c9d0$@com>

Thanks!  That's a really great idea that I didn't think about.  I'm
definitely going to try that out.

William

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Farber, Randy
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:43 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal

William - Instead of a mass mailing, how about spending time at the
courthouse watching motions to determine solo practitioners or small
firms that may need your assistance.  You could then approach them in
person.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of WB
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:46 PM
To: BlindLaw
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal

Hello All.

 

Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have
tried
the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services
for
a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the
old
attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me
to
do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
worked for in order to get referrals.

 

My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the
local
bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.  

 

Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a
blind
paralegal a second thought where I am.

 

William

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From mpeskoe at insightbb.com  Fri Aug  7 00:58:52 2009
From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:58:52 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?
Message-ID: <162BCD4655D14D939CC530F88911A358@Melanie>

Hello,
I am taking the LSAT in December and currently working with LSAC to
coordinate accommodations.  I am considering taking the large print version
of the test and I'd like to talk with others who have chosen this option.  I
would like to know what the test "looks like."  Is it on legal sized paper,
or standard paper? Did you get extra scratch paper to draw diagrams? What
does the nonscanable answer sheet look like?  Lastly, are you glad you took
the large print LSAT or do you wish you would have taken it in another
format?  Thanks in advance for your time and feedback.
Sincerely,
Melanie

From darlene.olsen at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 03:38:30 2009
From: darlene.olsen at gmail.com (Darlene Olsen)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:38:30 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
Message-ID: <024D52F98AA045FF956486D81AEF833D@DarleneOlsen>

Dear William,
     I know of a couple of attorneys in the Napa Valley area of California 
that search for free-lance paralegals to complete workers compensation 
issues (under the direction of the attorney) and a friend that works 
free-lance as a immigration specialist for attorneys.  The Napa Emergency 
Women Services (NEWS) has a staff of three paralegals to assist in 
restraining orders for  battered women inemergency situations.If they are 
not available then free-lance would be needed.   (available 24 hours per 
day).
ABC Channel 7 News Station, San Francisco utilizes paralegals for the media 
coverage to prevent slander, litigation etc.
Sacramento State Capitol has on past occassions utilized paralegals for 
senat sub-committee hearings.  There is an agency with five office spread 
out through California representing people with disabilities in various 
areas of law.  Many of the staff are disabled.  They are called, "Disability 
Rights of California, 1000 Howe Ave., Sacramento, California, 95825
Queen of the Valley Hospital request the aid of paralegals from time e to 
time,  in Napa, California for patients.
I know one paralegal that has a Notary Public business that travels and 
charges accordingly.
Disability Services and Legal Center, Napa, California, 94558 could use a 
paralegal from time to time.  They have a staff of three attorney.  I 
strongly suggest that you be proactive and think out of the box.    Perhaps, 
you could   Leave a businesscard with the   law librarians to introduce you 
to other professional persons needing paralegals in a court house.  Napa has 
a local television station  that speaks to members of the area to showcase 
the skills of persons available to the community, (Channel 58).
Legal clinics could offer a great opportunity for employment.  Think Tanks, 
i.e. Brookings Institute.  Internet companies such as, Google. Microsoft, 
etc. may be interested in having a free-lance paralegal on staff.
The local college or university could use a paralegal for the paralegal 
classes that may need assistance from attorneys teaching classes.
There is an attorney that frequently hires paralegals for research topics. 
There are two attorneys in downtown Napa, California that use paralegals for 
many tasks, i.e.: mock trial weekend seminars, paralegals select a jury and 
research a script to offer each side the area of the case to win or lose.
 The Suscol Tribal Council has requested the knowledge of a paralegal for 
permit information or research to build on Native American land.     I have 
never had opportunity to wander into Texas.  Thus, please ignore if these 
suggestions do not stand up to the agency or opportunities available to you 
in that area of the United States.
Respectfully yours,
Darlene Olsen
Paralegal in Napa, California.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "BlindLaw" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal


> Hello All.
>
>
>
> Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have tried
> the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services 
> for
> a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the old
> attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
> firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me to
> do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
> outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
> worked for in order to get referrals.
>
>
>
> My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the 
> local
> bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
> there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.
>
>
>
> Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a blind
> paralegal a second thought where I am.
>
>
>
> William
>
> _______________________________________________
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> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  7 06:08:00 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:08:00 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
In-Reply-To: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
Message-ID: <23E30CDFAD4F41E181F3948E23524BF0@spike>

try some of the suggestions that I posted previously as far as networking. 
It does take time and much involves being at the right place at the right 
time.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "BlindLaw" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal


> Hello All.
>
>
>
> Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have tried
> the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services 
> for
> a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the old
> attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
> firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me to
> do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
> outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
> worked for in order to get referrals.
>
>
>
> My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the 
> local
> bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
> there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.
>
>
>
> Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a blind
> paralegal a second thought where I am.
>
>
>
> William
>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  7 06:14:13 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:14:13 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
In-Reply-To: <8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F10C5B4454@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com>
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
	<8EA167BDF4483449B67BBE3BFCB648F10C5B4454@pdc-mail01.jwllp.com>
Message-ID: <7D08CA52BDF741008CA32A454B1F9D66@spike>

This works well as it is one of the things that I have done. I also try to 
keep with news items about law suits that have been filed and at times 
contact those attorneys. I have also contacted attorneys from out of town 
who are in the needing assistance on a particular case they may be trying.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno a 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Farber, Randy" <rfarber at jw.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal


> William - Instead of a mass mailing, how about spending time at the
> courthouse watching motions to determine solo practitioners or small
> firms that may need your assistance.  You could then approach them in
> person.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of WB
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:46 PM
> To: BlindLaw
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
>
> Hello All.
>
>
>
> Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have
> tried
> the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services
> for
> a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the
> old
> attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
> firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me
> to
> do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
> outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
> worked for in order to get referrals.
>
>
>
> My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the
> local
> bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
> there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.
>
>
>
> Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a
> blind
> paralegal a second thought where I am.
>
>
>
> William
>
> _______________________________________________
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> om
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  7 06:56:06 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:56:06 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
In-Reply-To: <024D52F98AA045FF956486D81AEF833D@DarleneOlsen>
References: <000301ca16df$3c440810$b4cc1830$@com>
	<024D52F98AA045FF956486D81AEF833D@DarleneOlsen>
Message-ID: <B66AA7D0572B433A92495E037814D0C7@spike>

Its good to know that there is at least one other active paralegal in 
California.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darlene Olsen" <darlene.olsen at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal


> Dear William,
>     I know of a couple of attorneys in the Napa Valley area of California 
> that search for free-lance paralegals to complete workers compensation 
> issues (under the direction of the attorney) and a friend that works 
> free-lance as a immigration specialist for attorneys.  The Napa Emergency 
> Women Services (NEWS) has a staff of three paralegals to assist in 
> restraining orders for  battered women inemergency situations.If they are 
> not available then free-lance would be needed.   (available 24 hours per 
> day).
> ABC Channel 7 News Station, San Francisco utilizes paralegals for the 
> media coverage to prevent slander, litigation etc.
> Sacramento State Capitol has on past occassions utilized paralegals for 
> senat sub-committee hearings.  There is an agency with five office spread 
> out through California representing people with disabilities in various 
> areas of law.  Many of the staff are disabled.  They are called, 
> "Disability Rights of California, 1000 Howe Ave., Sacramento, California, 
> 95825
> Queen of the Valley Hospital request the aid of paralegals from time e to 
> time,  in Napa, California for patients.
> I know one paralegal that has a Notary Public business that travels and 
> charges accordingly.
> Disability Services and Legal Center, Napa, California, 94558 could use a 
> paralegal from time to time.  They have a staff of three attorney.  I 
> strongly suggest that you be proactive and think out of the box. 
> Perhaps, you could   Leave a businesscard with the   law librarians to 
> introduce you to other professional persons needing paralegals in a court 
> house.  Napa has a local television station  that speaks to members of the 
> area to showcase the skills of persons available to the community, 
> (Channel 58).
> Legal clinics could offer a great opportunity for employment.  Think 
> Tanks, i.e. Brookings Institute.  Internet companies such as, Google. 
> Microsoft, etc. may be interested in having a free-lance paralegal on 
> staff.
> The local college or university could use a paralegal for the paralegal 
> classes that may need assistance from attorneys teaching classes.
> There is an attorney that frequently hires paralegals for research topics. 
> There are two attorneys in downtown Napa, California that use paralegals 
> for many tasks, i.e.: mock trial weekend seminars, paralegals select a 
> jury and research a script to offer each side the area of the case to win 
> or lose.
> The Suscol Tribal Council has requested the knowledge of a paralegal for 
> permit information or research to build on Native American land.     I 
> have never had opportunity to wander into Texas.  Thus, please ignore if 
> these suggestions do not stand up to the agency or opportunities available 
> to you in that area of the United States.
> Respectfully yours,
> Darlene Olsen
> Paralegal in Napa, California.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> To: "BlindLaw" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:45 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Paralegal
>
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can anyone offer suggestions as to how to begin freelancing?  I have 
>> tried
>> the obvious methods of offering to provide a set amount of free services 
>> for
>> a reference letter and/or referrals.  I've also contacted many of the old
>> attorneys I've worked for with no luck.  I've only worked for two small
>> firms and they are fully staffed or don't have enough work to allow me to
>> do.  The other firms I've worked for are much larger and they do not
>> outsource work and I did not have a close relationship with attorneys I
>> worked for in order to get referrals.
>>
>>
>>
>> My only other thought is to create some type of correspondence to the 
>> local
>> bar associations, which tend to have many of the smaller firm attorneys
>> there, to offer the same deal I have to the attorneys I worked for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any other suggestions?  I'm finding many people don't want to give a 
>> blind
>> paralegal a second thought where I am.
>>
>>
>>
>> William
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> blindlaw:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/darlene.olsen%40gmail.com
>
>
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From kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com  Fri Aug  7 09:46:17 2009
From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com (Kolby Garrison)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 05:46:17 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography Inquiry
Message-ID: <2D57D736C06847FEB55A101C4C87FE86@YOURXBFO0REXEG>

Hello Everyone,
I am interested in investigating the possibility of becoming a stenographer
and/or court reporter, but I have no idea where to begin. If there are any
resources that anyone can direct me to I would appreciate it.
Thank you,
Kolby


From DFrye at nfb.org  Fri Aug  7 12:11:30 2009
From: DFrye at nfb.org (Frye, Dan)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:11:30 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography Inquiry
In-Reply-To: <2D57D736C06847FEB55A101C4C87FE86@YOURXBFO0REXEG>
Message-ID: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B012C0D9C@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>

Kolby:

Sandy Halverson of Virginia is an accomplished court reporter, who uses
all kinds of technology and personal skill to successfully perform her
job. Sandy is totally blind, and she is a highly sought after court
reporter. I suggest you get in touch with Sandy; she can probably
provide you with excellent resources and information about pursuing your
vocational objective. Her contact details follow:

(703) 379-1141 (Home)
sandyh2 at earthlink.net or sandyh50 at comcast.net

Good luck.

Dan Frye 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Kolby Garrison
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:46 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography Inquiry

Hello Everyone,
I am interested in investigating the possibility of becoming a
stenographer and/or court reporter, but I have no idea where to begin.
If there are any resources that anyone can direct me to I would
appreciate it.
Thank you,
Kolby

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From craig.borne at dot.gov  Mon Aug 10 15:12:46 2009
From: craig.borne at dot.gov (craig.borne at dot.gov)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:12:46 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Job Opportunities with NHTSA
Message-ID: <61017FCC3706464B8ACB770A8038174E61C0CD@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov>

________________________________

From: Trujillo, Rose (NHTSA) 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:09 AM



 

 

8/10/2009

General Engineer - (Enforcement) - GS - 0801 - 13 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82463151&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D27
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=17514&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort
=dt&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=67&SUBMIT1.y=11> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

86,927.00+ 

8/14/2009

Program Analyst - GS - 0343 - 09 / 11 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82111909&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D14
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=17514&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort
=dt&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=67&SUBMIT1.y=11> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

50,408.00+ 

8/14/2009

Program Manager - GS - 0340 - 15 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82105100&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D14
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=17514&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort
=dt&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=67&SUBMIT1.y=11> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

120,830.00+ 

8/17/2009

Safety Defects Specialist - GS - 0301 - 13 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82485617&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D28
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=17514&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort
=dt&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=67&SUBMIT1.y=11> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

86,927.00+ 

8/24/2009

Mechanical Engineer - GS - 0830 - 13 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82382830&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D22
+14%3A06%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=17514&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort
=dt&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=67&SUBMIT1.y=11> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

86,927.00+ 

 

 

 

 

Loyola (Rose) Trujillo

Director, Office of Civil Rights

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 

U.S. Department of Transportation

1200 New Jersey Avenue S.E.  (W-43-324)

Washington, D.C.  20590

202-366-0972 office line

202-366-6795 direct line

202-492-2799 cell

 

 


From craig.borne at dot.gov  Mon Aug 10 15:14:21 2009
From: craig.borne at dot.gov (craig.borne at dot.gov)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:14:21 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] More Job Opportunities from NHTSA
Message-ID: <61017FCC3706464B8ACB770A8038174E61C0D0@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov>

________________________________

From: Trujillo, Rose (NHTSA) 
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:12 AM



 

8/13/2009

Program Assistant - GS - 0303 - 07 / 08 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82536333&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D30
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=316&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort=d
t&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=64&SUBMIT1.y=12> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-OH-Throughout Ohio

38,117.00+ 

8/14/2009

Program Analyst - GS - 0343 - 09 / 11 BP
<http://jobsearch.dot.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=82111909&AVSDM=2009%2D07%2D14
+00%3A03%3A00&Logo=0&jbf574=TD*&q=NHTSA&lid=316&jbf565=0&FedEmp=N&sort=d
t&vw=b&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=64&SUBMIT1.y=12> 

Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

US-DC-Washington

50,408.00+ 

 

 


From b75205 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 16:40:25 2009
From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:40:25 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Voter registration forms
Message-ID: <fe5b78280908100940s1795d480w985023722005221f@mail.gmail.com>

We are looking for people who have had trouble filling out voter
registration forms.  Particularly the National Voter Registration form for
the United States of America which is a PDF form published by the Elections
Assistance Commission.  This also applies to state forms which require you
to draw a map of where you live on the form.  Has anyone here who is blind
suceeded in this task? Has anyone used free screen readers to fill out these
forms, all of the forms and undertand all of the content so there is a
meeting of the minds?


Sincerely,

James G. Pepper

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Aug 11 17:31:57 2009
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:31:57 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?
In-Reply-To: <162BCD4655D14D939CC530F88911A358@Melanie>
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D8F278F8A@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

Hundreds of years ago, I took the LSAT using the allegedly large print that the LSAC provided.  The large print was just a blow-up of the regular print test, and therefore had horrible quality.  I recommend that you ask for a sample of the large print that the LSAC uses before committing to taking the test that way.  If I had to do it all over, I would use a reader as I did not do as well on the LSAT as I could have.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melanie Peskoe
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:59 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Hello,
I am taking the LSAT in December and currently working with LSAC to coordinate accommodations.  I am considering taking the large print version of the test and I'd like to talk with others who have chosen this option.  I would like to know what the test "looks like."  Is it on legal sized paper, or standard paper? Did you get extra scratch paper to draw diagrams? What does the nonscanable answer sheet look like?  Lastly, are you glad you took the large print LSAT or do you wish you would have taken it in another format?  Thanks in advance for your time and feedback.
Sincerely,
Melanie
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From mpeskoe at insightbb.com  Tue Aug 11 20:17:01 2009
From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:17:01 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?
In-Reply-To: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D8F278F8A@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
References: <162BCD4655D14D939CC530F88911A358@Melanie>
	<E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D8F278F8A@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <6FF35764005C47CDBB4250842530826B@Melanie>

Thank You Noel for your response.  I will take your advice and ask for a
sample.  The other thing I'm struggling with is whether to ask for a scribe
or an unscannable answer sheet.  From what I've learned from LSAC (the
person with whom I spoke didn't seem to know the answer exactly) the
unscannable answer sheet is the same format and the scantron except that you
circle the letter rather than filling in a circle.  This would still create
the same problem of not being able to keep track of which line I am on, etc.
I find that I have a much more difficult time absorbing material if I hear
it rather than read it visually.  I'm not sure what I'll do yet.  Thanks
again for your response.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:32 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Hundreds of years ago, I took the LSAT using the allegedly large print that
the LSAC provided.  The large print was just a blow-up of the regular print
test, and therefore had horrible quality.  I recommend that you ask for a
sample of the large print that the LSAC uses before committing to taking the
test that way.  If I had to do it all over, I would use a reader as I did
not do as well on the LSAT as I could have.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Melanie Peskoe
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:59 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Hello,
I am taking the LSAT in December and currently working with LSAC to
coordinate accommodations.  I am considering taking the large print version
of the test and I'd like to talk with others who have chosen this option.  I
would like to know what the test "looks like."  Is it on legal sized paper,
or standard paper? Did you get extra scratch paper to draw diagrams? What
does the nonscanable answer sheet look like?  Lastly, are you glad you took
the large print LSAT or do you wish you would have taken it in another
format?  Thanks in advance for your time and feedback.
Sincerely,
Melanie
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From bspiry at comcast.net  Tue Aug 11 23:10:42 2009
From: bspiry at comcast.net (Bill Spiry)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:10:42 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?
Message-ID: <mailman.22.1771245436.733174.blindlaw_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Ask for a  scribe, time is precious enough while testing so eliminate the need to visually check accuracy. It works fine. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Melanie Peskoe <mpeskoe at insightbb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:17 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Thank You Noel for your response.  I will take your advice and ask for a
sample.  The other thing I'm struggling with is whether to ask for a scribe
or an unscannable answer sheet.  From what I've learned from LSAC (the
person with whom I spoke didn't seem to know the answer exactly) the
unscannable answer sheet is the same format and the scantron except that you
circle the letter rather than filling in a circle.  This would still create
the same problem of not being able to keep track of which line I am on, etc

From angie.matney at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 23:37:17 2009
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:37:17 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?
In-Reply-To: <4a81fffc.0602be0a.4087.075aSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <4a81fffc.0602be0a.4087.075aSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4a8200a9.1e035a0a.5b94.ffff9876@mx.google.com>

I wholeheartedly agree. I took it in Braille, though, so I needed a scribe. 

If you are concerned about accuracy (I was, particularly after my scribe
informed me, just before we started: "Just so you know, I'm a little hard of
hearing"), ask the scribe to repeat the number and the letter of your answer
choice for each question before writing it down.

Good luck,

Angie



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Spiry
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:11 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Ask for a  scribe, time is precious enough while testing so eliminate the
need to visually check accuracy. It works fine. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Melanie Peskoe <mpeskoe at insightbb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:17 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Large Print LSAT?

Thank You Noel for your response.  I will take your advice and ask for a
sample.  The other thing I'm struggling with is whether to ask for a scribe
or an unscannable answer sheet.  From what I've learned from LSAC (the
person with whom I spoke didn't seem to know the answer exactly) the
unscannable answer sheet is the same format and the scantron except that you
circle the letter rather than filling in a circle.  This would still create
the same problem of not being able to keep track of which line I am on, etc
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Aug 12 14:55:20 2009
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:55:20 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] PT Job at Microsoft - Ref#20411455
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D91C18BC1@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

Fyi! 

-----Original Message-----
From: Heidi Baxter [mailto:hbaxter at baxter-law.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:36 PM
To: MAMAS Mother Attorneys Mentoring Assoc. of Seattle Job Postings
Subject: [mamas_jobs] PT Job at Microsoft - Ref#20411455

Heidi Baxter posted:

Please contact Allison Williams with any questions at alliwil at microsoft.com if you or anyone else you know may be interested.  Thanks so much.  The job description is below.

 

Title:  Attorney 

This position is eligible for the following work arrangements:  Part-Time

 

Looking for some of the most interesting legal work around?  Want to be directly involved in creating excitement around a range of great Microsoft technologies, software and services throughout the world?  If so, Microsoft is looking for you!

 

The Server and Tools Business (STB) is looking for a part-time experienced attorney to join the Legal and Corporate Affairs (LCA) department at our global headquarters in Redmond, Washington.  STB is a thriving business with approximately US$13 billion in annual revenue.  STB develops and markets products and services that are widely used by enterprises and developer communities, such as Windows Server, SQL Server, Visual Studio, the System Center suite of systems management products and the Forefront suite of security products.

 

This attorney will work as part of a team to support the Developer and Platform Evangelism (DPE) organization in STB.  DPE is a critical business team that collaborates widely with other product and business teams across STB and Microsoft to evangelize and advance adoption of a broad range of Microsoft technologies, efforts which are critical to Microsoft's success as a platform technology company.  The successful candidate will need to demonstrate ingenuity, drive, and experience needed to devise creative solutions and identify "smart risks" to help achieve business goals.  The attorney will work closely with all levels of Microsoft executives, managers and employees, as well as outside customers and partners.

 

Primary responsibilities:

-     Work directly with executives and business development, technology evangelist and marketing teams to analyze and address legal issues across a wide array of customer and partner programs and engagements.

-     Advise executives and other internal business clients on a broad range of complex and rapidly developing legal and business issues, such as intellectual property (including open source software), interoperability, marketing, competition law and privacy.

 

-     Structure, draft, negotiate and advise on a wide range of agreements with global business customers and partners, including agreements for strategic alliances and joint marketing, software development and collaboration, outbound and inbound licenses for software and online services and other customer and partner engagements.

-     Partner with clients to understand and advise on cutting edge Microsoft business strategy and use of technologies. 

-     Collaborate with other attorneys and legal professionals at Microsoft to resolve cross-group issues and projects efficiently and effectively.

 

We are looking for an attorney who meets the following basic requirements:

-     Admitted to practice law in the US.

-     Minimum of 6 years of law firm or relevant in-house experience.

-     Software licensing and marketing experience; familiarity with competition law a strong plus.

-     Outstanding analytical, organizational, and communication skills.

-     Working knowledge or strong interest in learning more about computer software and Internet technologies.

-     Keen business sense, ability to think strategically and focus on establishing a "trusted advisor" relationship with executives and other business clients.

-     Demonstrated ability to work efficiently, meet demanding deadlines in a fast-paced environment, prioritize workflow and adjust to frequent workload fluctuations.

-     Strong results orientation and customer focus.

-     Desire and ability to work as part of a team.

-     Demonstrated ability to work independently with limited supervision, working with a variety of personalities across a large number of diverse internal groups, teams and cultures.

-     Willingness to have fun.

 

The above description has been designed to indicate the general nature and level of work performed by an employee in this position.  The actual duties, responsibilities and qualifications may vary.  Microsoft is an Equal Opportunity Employer and supports workforce diversity.

 

 

Allison Williams  l  Senior Staffing Consultant for Legal and Corporate Affairs  l  Microsoft Corporation  l  425.538.7033  l  alliwil at microsoft.com

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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 13 07:44:20 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:44:20 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: I NEED HELP TO FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE
	CALIFORNIA MEDICAL BOARD FOR ALLOWIN
Message-ID: <4E1C1DF4619E497D97F8E929DBC51A3C@spike>

Many of us who are chapter presidents in California received this email shown below. While there may be some issues surrounding statute of limitations that I found when I followed up by telephone with Mr. Kempe today there are some issues that I think are valid. He is working with an attorney that moved to California but has  not yet taken the California bar exam. Although I will be reviewing this with one of the attorneys I work for I am interested in any other suggestions or if someone has had experience with this as well. Contact me off list if needed.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Supernicecatch at aol.com 
To: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: I NEED HELP TO FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE CALIFORNIA MEDICAL BOARD FOR ALLOWIN


I NEED HELP TO FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE CALIFORNIA MEDICAL BOARD FOR ALLOWING LASIK DOCTORS TO OPERATE ON PATIENTS WITH HIGH AND/OR ABNORMAL PRESSURE, PIGMENTATION DISPERSION SYNDROME AND EVEN AFTER A FEW MONTHS FOLLOW UP NEVER GIVING MEDICATION, TAKING VISUAL FIELD TESTS-NEVER TELLING PATIENTS THEY WILL GO BLIND IF THEY DO NOT LOWER PRESSURE AND NEVER LOWERED PRESSURE AT ANY TIME AND WHEN AHEAD WITH LASIK, AND THE MEDICAL BOARD SAW ALL ON MEDICAL CHARTS AND FOUND LASIK DOCTORS DID NOTHING WRONG, YET PATIENTS GO BLIND WITH SAME DOCTORS AFTER LASIK FOR SAME REASONS.  THE MEDICAL BOARD IGNORES PATIENTS AND NEVER RESPONDS.

MARTIN KEMPE 310-275-8072 OR 310-622-3662

I AM LEGALLY BLIND FROM THIS ORDEAL IN BOTH EYES AT AGE 38


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Aug 13 22:29:09 2009
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:29:09 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D91C18BED@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



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To: jobs at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Jobs] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice



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Subject: FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice


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Current Department of Justice Attorney Vacancies

 *   SENIOR-LEVEL ATTORNEY, ETHICS OFFICER NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, D.C. This announcement closes on August 27 , 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/senior-level-attorney.htm>
Date posted: 08-12-2009
 *   UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION FOREIGN INVESTMENT REVIEW STAFF EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY / GS-14 to GS-15 Applications must be postmarked by September 4, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/firs-atty-announcement-final-v2.htm>
Date posted: 08-12-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF ARKANSAS VACANCY NUMBER: 09-EDAR-03 POSTED 08-11-2009 All applications must be postmarked by August 28, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-edar-03.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS U.S. MEDICAL CENTER FOR FEDERAL PRISONERS SPRINGFIELD, MISSOURI ATTORNEY-ADVISOR GS-905-12/13/14 This position is open until filled, but no later than August 25, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/springfieldattyaug2009-mem.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, APPELLATE SECTION TRIAL ATTORNEY/GS-905-12 to 15 This position is open until September 9, 2009. Faxes or e-mails must be received by 12 midnight (EST) of the closing date.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/attorney-appellate-2009.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION ASSET FORFEITURE AND MONEY LAUNDERING SECTION DEPUTY CHIEF, GS-905-15 09-CRM-AFMLS-030 All applications must be received by August 31, 2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/deputychief-afmls2.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION ASSET FORFEITURE AND MONEY LAUNDERING SECTION TRIAL ATTORNEY, GS-13/14/15 09-CRM-AFMLS-031 All applications must be received August 31, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/attorneygs13-14-15afmls.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA 09-SDCA-02 Application materials must be postmarked by the deadline date of August 31, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-sdca-02.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   ATTORNEY-ADVISOR U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL WASHINGTON, D.C. Application Deadline is August 17, 2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-olc-attorneyadvisor.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE OF LEGAL PROGRAMS AND POLICY STAFF ATTORNEY-ADVISOR, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 09-EOUSA-51 Open: 8/10/2009 Close: 8/28/2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-eousa-51.htm>
Date posted: 08-11-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA Application Deadline is Monday, August 24, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-wdpa-ausa-01.htm>
Date posted: 08-10-2009
 *   SPECIAL ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA - OAKLAND BRANCH Applications must be received by AUGUST 21, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-ndca-e-03sausa-oakland.htm>
Date posted: 08-10-2009
 *   DIRECTOR ES-905 OFFICE OF ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS CRIMINAL DIVISION U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, DC 09-CRM-SES-01 Applications MUST BE RECEIVED BY 11:59 OF THE CLOSING DATE, WHICH HAS BEEN EXTENDED FROM AUGUST 7 TO AUGUST 28, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-crm-ses-01.htm>
Date posted: 08-07-2009
 *   UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION EXPERIENCED TRIAL ATTORNEY, GS-905-14/15 COUNTERTERRORISM SECTION (CTS) Applications will be handled on a rolling basis until all available positions are filled.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/cts-trial-attorney.htm>
Date posted: 08-07-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE U.S. TRUSTEE'S OFFICE -- DES MOINES, IOWA TRIAL ATTORNEY Applications must be postmarked by the closing date of August 21, 2009 and will be accepted up to five calendar days after the closing date.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-ust-ia-trialatty.htm>
Date posted: 08-06-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE U.S. TRUSTEE'S OFFICE -- LOS ANGELES, CA TRIAL ATTORNEY Applications must be postmarked by the closing date of August 14, 2009 and will be accepted up to five calendar days after the closing date.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-ust-trial-laca.htm>
Date posted: 08-06-2009
 *   ATTORNEY-ADVISOR CIVIL DIVISION, OFFICE OF POLICY AND MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS WASHINGTON, DC Application materials must be submitted no later than August 11, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/opmo-attorney-advisor-080509.htm>
Date posted: 08-05-2009
 *   EXPERIENCED TRIAL ATTORNEYS UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION COUNTERESPIONAGE SECTION Please submit applications by August 12, 2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-nsd-espionage-dc.htm>
Date posted: 08-04-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 09-AUSA-NM-3 Applications must be postmarked by August 17, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/ausaalbswb-09-ausa-nm-3.htm>
Date posted: 08-03-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE U.S. TRUSTEE PROGRAM -- WICHITA, KANSAS ASSISTANT U.S. TRUSTEE This position will be open until August 21, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/aust-wichita-2009-new.htm>
Date posted: 07-31-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION OFFICE OF OVERSEAS PROSECUTORIAL DEVELOPMENT, ASSISTANCE AND TRAINING EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY / GS-14 to GS-15 Applications will be accepted until October 15, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/mexico-city-rla-final.htm>
Date posted: 07-30-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK NEW YORK, NEW YORK Positions are open until filled.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/ausa-announcement.htm>
Date posted: 07-29-2009
 *   U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION OFFICE OF OVERSEAS PROSECUTORIAL DEVELOPMENT, ASSISTANCE AND TRAINING RESIDENT LEGAL ADVISOR FOR SERBIA This vacancy announcement will remain open until filled.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-crm-serbia.htm>
Date posted: 07-28-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY (14-Month Term) UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS FT. WORTH, TEXAS July 28, 2009 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT #09-NDTX-AUSA-F01 Applications must be postmarked by August 11, 2009.<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-usao-ndtx-ausa-f01.htm>
Date posted: 07-28-2009
 *   CHIEF, FRAUD SECTION ES-905 FRAUD SECTION CRIMINAL DIVISION U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, D.C. 09-CRM-SES-02 MUST BE RECEIVED BY 11:59 OF THE CLOSING DATE, AUGUST 21, 2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-crm-ses-02.htm>
Date posted: 07-28-2009
 *   ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 09-NFLAUSA-03 Applications must be received by COB (5:00 Eastern) on August 10, 2009<http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs/09-usao-nflausa-03.htm>
Date posted: 07-28-2009

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From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov  Mon Aug 17 20:52:38 2009
From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/CBC))
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:52:38 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Gary Norman - Ten Outstanding Young Americans
Message-ID: <BBA045412218F84A8C4ED7B65BED5EE1076C9AC7@AVN3VS002.ees.hhs.gov>

See link below about my selection for a prestigious national award.
Thanks.

Sincerely,

Gary Norman

http://www.usjaycees.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19
7:2009-ten-outstanding-young-americans-announced&catid=79&Itemid=100019

 


From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 21:11:54 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:11:54 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Texas Landlord-Tenant Question
Message-ID: <001501ca1f7f$5c780e80$15682b80$@com>

Greetings All!  I hope your Monday is going well.

 

I have a question.  This is going to be based on Texas law if anyone can
help.

 

I have an apartment complex that took two months to fix a non-working
toilet.  It's been almost three months since the hot water has worked on one
of the sinks.  There has been a clear breach of the lease on the apartment
complex's part regarding property security procedures.  A toilet started
leaking and the problem was reported on a Friday evening and they said they
wouldn't send anyone until Monday, even though they knew the leakage had
gone to the downstairs area.  After repeated calls, they finally sent
someone to stop the leak on Saturday night.

 

A letter has been drafted regarding security issues and I am trying to get
out of my lease because of these ongoing problems.  Are there any
suggestions as it relates to Texas law or general common snese to make this
happen without being charged any reletting fees or having this placed on my
rental history as a broken lease?

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

William


From roddj12 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 17 21:25:17 2009
From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (roddj12 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:25:17 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply
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From timandvickie at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 17 22:26:03 2009
From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (Tim Shaw)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:26:03 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply
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Poor rodd j has had his email hijacked by a spammer;) doubt he even knwos it yet. PLease dont go to that site, it only encourages them.
 


To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:53:40 -0700
From: roddj12 at hotmail.com
Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply

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From timandvickie at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 17 22:41:17 2009
From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (Tim Shaw)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:41:17 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Texas Landlord-Tenant Question
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Heres a page that has basic tenant rights info for Texas, it is written by a professor at U of H so if it doenst answer your questions, maybe he could:

 

http://www.peopleslawyer.net/tenant3.html
 
> From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:11:54 -0500
> Subject: [blindlaw] Texas Landlord-Tenant Question
> 
> Greetings All! I hope your Monday is going well.
> 
> 
> 
> I have a question. This is going to be based on Texas law if anyone can
> help.
> 
> 
> 
> I have an apartment complex that took two months to fix a non-working
> toilet. It's been almost three months since the hot water has worked on one
> of the sinks. There has been a clear breach of the lease on the apartment
> complex's part regarding property security procedures. A toilet started
> leaking and the problem was reported on a Friday evening and they said they
> wouldn't send anyone until Monday, even though they knew the leakage had
> gone to the downstairs area. After repeated calls, they finally sent
> someone to stop the leak on Saturday night.
> 
> 
> 
> A letter has been drafted regarding security issues and I am trying to get
> out of my lease because of these ongoing problems. Are there any
> suggestions as it relates to Texas law or general common snese to make this
> happen without being charged any reletting fees or having this placed on my
> rental history as a broken lease?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> 
> 
> 
> William
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:02:19 -0700
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From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:08:46 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply
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He has been unsubscribed until he can get it straightened out.

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>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:53:40 -0700
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>Subject: [blindlaw] Vacation reply
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Aug 18 23:32:30 2009
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:32:30 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Civil rights tax relief legislation introduced,
 ABA Washington Letter, August 2009
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D91C18C33@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>


Thought some on this list might find this of interest.

Link:
http://www.abanet.org/poladv/wl/09aug/#no5

Text:
Civil rights tax relief legislation introduced

Sens. Jeff Bingaman (D-.N.M.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Reps. John Lewis (D-Ga.) and F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) reintroduced bipartisan legislation June 25 that would address excessive and unfair tax treatment of settlements and awards in employment rights cases.

Since 1996, non-economic damages recovered in employment discrimination and other employment and civil rights cases have been taxable, penalizing victims of discrimination under all federal, state and local laws providing for the enforcement of civil rights and regulating employment relations. In addition, lump-sum settlements or awards that compensate for lost back pay over a period of years are taxable at the rate of the year of receipt, which creates a higher tax burden than if the money had been earned in the normal course of employment. In contrast, the Internal Revenue Service does not tax non-economic damages received as a result of personal injury.

The proposed Civil Rights Tax Relief Act (CRTRA), S. 1360 and H.R. 3035, would amend the Internal Revenue Code to exclude noneconomic damages from gross income and permit income-averaging for back pay received in a lump sum. The provisions would put employment discrimination plaintiffs on a more equal footing with plaintiffs in personal injury cases by removing the current differences in the tax treatment between the two groups.

According to the ABA, the CRTRA restores the pre-1996 tax treatment of non-economic damages in employment discrimination cases, and victims of discrimination, employers and the administration of justice will all benefit from the legislation. The association and other supporters, including the National Employment Lawyers Association, maintain that the legislation will significantly reduce the costs of employment and civil rights cases.

Congress addressed another portion of civil rights tax relief in 2004, when the American Jobs Creation Act included provisions eliminating double taxation of attorneys' fees in employment discrimination, civil rights and other cases. The provisions, which were part of the Civil Rights Tax Relief Act proposed during the 108th Congress, allow plaintiffs an above-the line deduction for attorneys' fees and costs paid by or on behalf of the plaintiff in specific employment and discrimination cases, and preclude such payments from being subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax or the 12 percent floor on itemized deductions.

No action has been scheduled on the bills.



From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 20 00:22:27 2009
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:22:27 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] computer assistive technology
Message-ID: <7AC7DB747C8B4B1E8791CDFD12A030D9@DANELLIEVANDAWN>

I am looking for a digital recording device that will allow me to dictate pleadings and other documents vocally and then allow me to download the voice recording onto my computer in text.

If anyone out there knows which direction to point me, I would be most appreciative.

Dan McBride
Blind Attorney in Texas

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Aug 21 15:16:35 2009
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:16:35 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] NJP - Equal Justice AmeriCorps Fellowship-Seattle -
	Ref#20641020
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED4D91C18C66@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

FYI, for job seekers
From: Sue Encherman [mailto:Suee at nwjustice.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:19 AM
To: Washington State Alliance for Equal Justice Leadership Group
Cc: Michele E. Storms; Singleton, Diana; Shen-Jaffe, Ada
Subject: [atj-leadership] NJP - Equal Justice AmeriCorps Fellowship-Seattle


Northwest Justice Project has been awarded a one year fellowship to
focus on foreclosure issues. Please see 
http://www.nwjustice.org/about_njp/jobs.html. Application deadline is
Aug. 30th - position must begin by September 28th   

Susan Encherman

Northwest Justice Project

Director of Administration 

401 2nd Ave. S. , Suite 407

Seattle, WA   98104

Tele. 464 -1519, Fax 206-903-0526

suee at nwjustice.org

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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 18:32:54 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:32:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
Message-ID: <3FDC9692A0CD469EBABC6491297ECE62@Rufus>

Hello,

I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am currently going through
the accommodations request process.  A day after submitting my request I
received a letter saying a preliminary review of my packet rendered my
request incomplete because I did not include:

1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for historical
information

2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI of the Candidate Form

Are they serious?  I don't know where someone gets copies of these documents
short of visiting my old school district's warehouse for my file.  I never
thought to keep any of this because these documents were never requested
when I took the GRE.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado
 

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From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Fri Aug 21 19:15:44 2009
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:15:44 EDT
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
Message-ID: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>

Joe,
 
I had that problem as well.  I had my eye doctor write a letter that  my 
vision hadn't changed since birth and would not change.  I also had my  
college DSS Office write a letter indicating that they determined which  
accommodations I'd receive based on previous IEPs but that those IEPs were no  longer 
available.  Finally, I had my Vocational Rehab Counselor write a  letter 
explaining which accommodations I needed and why along with my IPE.   And then 
I wrote a cover letter explaining that my disability was not  
psychological, it was sensory, and that that was all the information they were  going to 
get.  I actually got an apology letter from the LSAT people  afterwards 
explaining that they have to be thorough for learning and cognitive  
disabilities, which sometimes do change year to year.
 
If there's a phone number, I suggest you call them and explain that you  
can't supply IEPs, etc., and that blindness accommodations for you haven't  
changed.
 
Good luck.
Ronza
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/21/2009 2:49:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jsorozco at gmail.com writes:

Hello,

I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am  currently going through
the accommodations request process.  A day  after submitting my request I
received a letter saying a preliminary review  of my packet rendered my
request incomplete because I did not  include:

1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for  historical
information

2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI  of the Candidate Form

Are they serious?  I don't know where  someone gets copies of these 
documents
short of visiting my old school  district's warehouse for my file.  I never
thought to keep any of this  because these documents were never requested
when I took the  GRE.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Joe  Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on  the
crowd."--Max Lucado


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From bjsexton at comcast.net  Fri Aug 21 19:40:33 2009
From: bjsexton at comcast.net (Bruce Sexton Jr.)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:40:33 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
References: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EF1650F91D34435D8E9AA7411EA57803@SLIM>

please let us know the results of your findings.

-B.J.
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations


> Joe,
>
> I had that problem as well.  I had my eye doctor write a letter that  my
> vision hadn't changed since birth and would not change.  I also had my
> college DSS Office write a letter indicating that they determined which
> accommodations I'd receive based on previous IEPs but that those IEPs were 
> no  longer
> available.  Finally, I had my Vocational Rehab Counselor write a  letter
> explaining which accommodations I needed and why along with my IPE.   And 
> then
> I wrote a cover letter explaining that my disability was not
> psychological, it was sensory, and that that was all the information they 
> were  going to
> get.  I actually got an apology letter from the LSAT people  afterwards
> explaining that they have to be thorough for learning and cognitive
> disabilities, which sometimes do change year to year.
>
> If there's a phone number, I suggest you call them and explain that you
> can't supply IEPs, etc., and that blindness accommodations for you haven't
> changed.
>
> Good luck.
> Ronza
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/21/2009 2:49:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jsorozco at gmail.com writes:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am  currently going through
> the accommodations request process.  A day  after submitting my request I
> received a letter saying a preliminary review  of my packet rendered my
> request incomplete because I did not  include:
>
> 1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for  historical
> information
>
> 2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI  of the Candidate Form
>
> Are they serious?  I don't know where  someone gets copies of these
> documents
> short of visiting my old school  district's warehouse for my file.  I 
> never
> thought to keep any of this  because these documents were never requested
> when I took the  GRE.
>
> Any advice would be very much appreciated.
>
> Joe  Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on  the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
>
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From mpeskoe at insightbb.com  Fri Aug 21 19:55:51 2009
From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:55:51 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
In-Reply-To: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
References: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ABF9ECE24DAF4CD1A5D8372F2EC7E86D@Melanie>

I am in the exact same situation.  I cannot locate old IEPs and therefore
was unable to send them with my request.  It's insane that LSAC requests
this of us.  I have followed all the steps that you have outlined below and
I have not received anything (good or bad) from LSAC yet regarding my
accommodations request. Thanks for this information.
Melanie

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:16 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations

Joe,
 
I had that problem as well.  I had my eye doctor write a letter that  my 
vision hadn't changed since birth and would not change.  I also had my  
college DSS Office write a letter indicating that they determined which  
accommodations I'd receive based on previous IEPs but that those IEPs were
no  longer 
available.  Finally, I had my Vocational Rehab Counselor write a  letter 
explaining which accommodations I needed and why along with my IPE.   And
then 
I wrote a cover letter explaining that my disability was not  
psychological, it was sensory, and that that was all the information they
were  going to 
get.  I actually got an apology letter from the LSAT people  afterwards 
explaining that they have to be thorough for learning and cognitive  
disabilities, which sometimes do change year to year.
 
If there's a phone number, I suggest you call them and explain that you  
can't supply IEPs, etc., and that blindness accommodations for you haven't  
changed.
 
Good luck.
Ronza
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/21/2009 2:49:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jsorozco at gmail.com writes:

Hello,

I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am  currently going through
the accommodations request process.  A day  after submitting my request I
received a letter saying a preliminary review  of my packet rendered my
request incomplete because I did not  include:

1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for  historical
information

2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI  of the Candidate Form

Are they serious?  I don't know where  someone gets copies of these 
documents
short of visiting my old school  district's warehouse for my file.  I never
thought to keep any of this  because these documents were never requested
when I took the  GRE.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Joe  Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on  the
crowd."--Max Lucado


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From bjsexton at comcast.net  Fri Aug 21 21:29:07 2009
From: bjsexton at comcast.net (Bruce Sexton Jr.)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:29:07 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
References: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
	<ABF9ECE24DAF4CD1A5D8372F2EC7E86D@Melanie>
Message-ID: <270EB919201147CEBBAC7274A04C822F@SLIM>

Hey Joe Melony and all,

I joined this list about a week ago.  I too am taking the LSAT in December. 
How have you, or are you studying for the LSAT.  Are there any programs or 
methods that are better then others?

Thanks,
Bruce 



From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 02:32:50 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:32:50 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
In-Reply-To: <270EB919201147CEBBAC7274A04C822F@SLIM>
Message-ID: <61304644015B498CBBC2A11AAADFD657@Rufus>

I've been working off of old exams.  So far I've only been working out the
problems, not timing myself, but come September I hope to put myself on a
more regular schedule to do timed practices.  My weakest area are the logic
puzzles, and for this I've been trying out different ways of setting up the
problem on my Perkins.  Otherwise I spend time reading various discussion
forums.  I find the comments useful for real insight into the exam, study
strategies and the admissions process at different schools.  The only series
of books I've purchased are the Power Score LSAT bibles.  With the exception
of the logic games, I think the books are well written and excellent
resources, and the only reason the logic games volume is not as great has
more to do with the frequency of diagrams than anything else.

Good luck to all headed for the torture chamber that is the LSAT exam, and
let's try to keep each other updated on the accommodations process.  I'm
sorry to hear this is and has happened to others, but it is awkwardly
comfortable to know I am not the only one because perhaps this means there
is reason to help them change their practices.  I followed Ronza's
suggestion about writing my college about the IEP issue.  When I called the
LSAC they told me to disregard the psychoeducation evaluation piece.  I wish
they would also disregard the SAT scores, because it's going to be three to
five weeks for the College Board to pull my score report from their
archives.  If I didn't feel old before, I feel old now.

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Sexton Jr.
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:29 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations

Hey Joe Melony and all,

I joined this list about a week ago.  I too am taking the LSAT 
in December. 
How have you, or are you studying for the LSAT.  Are there any 
programs or methods that are better then others?

Thanks,
Bruce 


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From khagen12 at q.com  Sat Aug 22 02:33:54 2009
From: khagen12 at q.com (Kathleen Hagen)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:33:54 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
References: <3FDC9692A0CD469EBABC6491297ECE62@Rufus>
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV52F80009546B4D372A5143C9FB0@phx.gbl>

If you had voc. rehab at any point, they might have copies of assessments or 
accommodations requested during your bachelor degree.  If your old 
highschool still exists, maybe you can get them to check your records.  It 
is a real bummer to come up with this stuff and ETS has always been just 
horrible about this.
Didn't I see on list that someone is getting ready to sue them?
Kathy Hagen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations


> Hello,
>
> I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am currently going through
> the accommodations request process.  A day after submitting my request I
> received a letter saying a preliminary review of my packet rendered my
> request incomplete because I did not include:
>
> 1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for historical
> information
>
> 2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI of the Candidate Form
>
> Are they serious?  I don't know where someone gets copies of these 
> documents
> short of visiting my old school district's warehouse for my file.  I never
> thought to keep any of this because these documents were never requested
> when I took the GRE.
>
> Any advice would be very much appreciated.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
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> crowd."--Max Lucado
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From khagen12 at q.com  Sat Aug 22 02:35:13 2009
From: khagen12 at q.com (Kathleen Hagen)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:35:13 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
References: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
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I hope you framed that apology letter.  I've never heard of LSAT making an 
apology!
Kathy hagen
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations


> Joe,
>
> I had that problem as well.  I had my eye doctor write a letter that  my
> vision hadn't changed since birth and would not change.  I also had my
> college DSS Office write a letter indicating that they determined which
> accommodations I'd receive based on previous IEPs but that those IEPs were 
> no  longer
> available.  Finally, I had my Vocational Rehab Counselor write a  letter
> explaining which accommodations I needed and why along with my IPE.   And 
> then
> I wrote a cover letter explaining that my disability was not
> psychological, it was sensory, and that that was all the information they 
> were  going to
> get.  I actually got an apology letter from the LSAT people  afterwards
> explaining that they have to be thorough for learning and cognitive
> disabilities, which sometimes do change year to year.
>
> If there's a phone number, I suggest you call them and explain that you
> can't supply IEPs, etc., and that blindness accommodations for you haven't
> changed.
>
> Good luck.
> Ronza
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/21/2009 2:49:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jsorozco at gmail.com writes:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm scheduled to take the LSAT in December and am  currently going through
> the accommodations request process.  A day  after submitting my request I
> received a letter saying a preliminary review  of my packet rendered my
> request incomplete because I did not  include:
>
> 1. copies of past psychoeducational evaluation reports for  historical
> information
>
> 2. copies of the IEP's referenced on page CI  of the Candidate Form
>
> Are they serious?  I don't know where  someone gets copies of these
> documents
> short of visiting my old school  district's warehouse for my file.  I 
> never
> thought to keep any of this  because these documents were never requested
> when I took the  GRE.
>
> Any advice would be very much appreciated.
>
> Joe  Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on  the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
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From roddj12 at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 22 02:39:33 2009
From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod Alcidonis)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:39:33 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
References: <61304644015B498CBBC2A11AAADFD657@Rufus>
Message-ID: <BAY105-DAV57D537D515C24434F80EDBBFB0@phx.gbl>

Joe, you can pay extra and have the college board send you your scores much 
faster. I believe the fee is 21 dollars. I needed to also obtain my scores 
when I was applying to sit for the New Jersey Bar exam.

Rod Alcidonis, J.D.
C. 718-704-4651
roddj12 at hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations


> I've been working off of old exams.  So far I've only been working out the
> problems, not timing myself, but come September I hope to put myself on a
> more regular schedule to do timed practices.  My weakest area are the 
> logic
> puzzles, and for this I've been trying out different ways of setting up 
> the
> problem on my Perkins.  Otherwise I spend time reading various discussion
> forums.  I find the comments useful for real insight into the exam, study
> strategies and the admissions process at different schools.  The only 
> series
> of books I've purchased are the Power Score LSAT bibles.  With the 
> exception
> of the logic games, I think the books are well written and excellent
> resources, and the only reason the logic games volume is not as great has
> more to do with the frequency of diagrams than anything else.
>
> Good luck to all headed for the torture chamber that is the LSAT exam, and
> let's try to keep each other updated on the accommodations process.  I'm
> sorry to hear this is and has happened to others, but it is awkwardly
> comfortable to know I am not the only one because perhaps this means there
> is reason to help them change their practices.  I followed Ronza's
> suggestion about writing my college about the IEP issue.  When I called 
> the
> LSAC they told me to disregard the psychoeducation evaluation piece.  I 
> wish
> they would also disregard the SAT scores, because it's going to be three 
> to
> five weeks for the College Board to pull my score report from their
> archives.  If I didn't feel old before, I feel old now.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Sexton Jr.
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:29 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
>
> Hey Joe Melony and all,
>
> I joined this list about a week ago.  I too am taking the LSAT
> in December.
> How have you, or are you studying for the LSAT.  Are there any
> programs or methods that are better then others?
>
> Thanks,
> Bruce
>
>
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From mpeskoe at insightbb.com  Sat Aug 22 04:06:22 2009
From: mpeskoe at insightbb.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:06:22 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations
In-Reply-To: <270EB919201147CEBBAC7274A04C822F@SLIM>
References: <c7d.52dd4f60.37c04c60@aol.com>
	<ABF9ECE24DAF4CD1A5D8372F2EC7E86D@Melanie>
	<270EB919201147CEBBAC7274A04C822F@SLIM>
Message-ID: <42301A6C4D844E1F8FB552AF5D175056@Melanie>

Hi Bruce,
I am doing a few things.  RFB&D has a couple of good books that I
downloaded, I listen to some LSAT podcasts from itunes, and I'm using a
private tutor as well.  Maybe some of us can compare notes along the way?
Melanie

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Bruce Sexton Jr.
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:29 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations

Hey Joe Melony and all,

I joined this list about a week ago.  I too am taking the LSAT in December. 
How have you, or are you studying for the LSAT.  Are there any programs or 
methods that are better then others?

Thanks,
Bruce 


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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Tue Aug 25 14:58:05 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:58:05 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] National Federation of the Blind and Blind Social
 Security Beneficiary File Complaint with Social Security Administration
Message-ID: <auto-000113678401@mailfront1.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (cell)

cdanielsen at nfb.org

National Federation of the Blind and Blind Social Security Beneficiary
File Complaint with Social Security Administration

SSA's Inaccessible Web Site Discriminates Against the Blind

Baltimore, Maryland (August 24, 2009): The National Federation of the 
Blind, the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind people 
and the leading advocate for equal access by the blind to information 
technology, and Margot Downey, a blind Social Security beneficiary 
from Buffalo, New York, filed an administrative complaint today with 
the Social Security Administration (SSA).  The complaint asserts that 
the SSA's Web site violates Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act 
because it is inaccessible to blind people who use text-to-speech 
screen access technology or Braille displays to access information on 
the Internet.  Because of the inaccessibility of the SSA Web site, 
blind people cannot fill out forms and questionnaires on the site or 
access information about their benefits.

Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "In an age where the Internet is a part of everyday life, blind 
people must have equal access to the information and resources 
provided on the World Wide Web.  In particular, the United States 
government has a legal and moral obligation to ensure that the 
information it provides on the Internet is equally accessible to all 
Americans, including the blind.  The National Federation of the Blind 
demands equal access for blind Social Security beneficiaries and will 
tolerate nothing less."

  Margot Downey, a blind Social Security beneficiary from Buffalo, 
New York, said: "As an active and productive blind individual, I 
depend on the Internet to access and update all kinds of information, 
including the Social Security and Medicare benefits I receive.  I 
hope that the Social Security Administration will take swift action 
to correct the accessibility problems with its Web site so that blind 
Americans like me will have equal access to the valuable information 
the SSA Web site contains."

Complainants are represented by attorneys Daniel F. Goldstein and 
Allison L. Harper of Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP, 120 E. Baltimore 
Street, Suite 1700, Baltimore, Maryland  21202, (410) 962-1030, fax: 
(410) 385-0869, <mailto:dfg at browngold.com>dfg at browngold.com, 
<mailto:ah at browngold.com>ah at browngold.com, 
<http://www.browngold.com/>www.browngold.com.

###


From dibona at mac.com  Tue Aug 25 18:21:07 2009
From: dibona at mac.com (kdb)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:21:07 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] NEED ADVICE
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1203184807.9890.blindlaw@nfbnet.org>
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QUESTION NEEDING CLARIFICATION AND  LEGAL ADA Related ADVICE

    I AM LEGALLY BLIND . I think I may need a lawyer to  initiate a  
lawsuit or law action.
I serve as a board director at my condo.
I have placed the board on notice - it is a 3 person board, that I  
want to be told and be given copies of all board related business and  
actions and be updated on a regular basis.
   I am entitled, and as I see it required, to be listed on the condo  
bank accounts as a check signer. I am able to sign my name  on checks  
with limited assistance.
    The other two members of my board are out of town on a regular  
basis each month. I therefore need to be able to act in my official  
capacity when no other board member is here and things come up needing  
a board member to act or pay for services needed  within our  
requirements.
The president is said to have stated that due to my blindness I can  
not sign checks! As told to me- she is saying this information was  
obtained from our board attorney!  I checked. It was not!
        She also does not share board actions and info with me. I must  
continually seek it out each day, usually alone. The other board  
member does share but it takes the three of us to work together to  
know what is really happening as we perform our duties for our  
association. This is never the case here.
For the past 6 months , I have been  frustrated and feel that my ADA  
rights are being violated to the extreme!
     I am in need of a way(s) to stop this action, of what I feel is  
illegal behavior that excludes me continually and places me in a total  
"blind" stance when trying to access the information and processes  
used by  the board and most specifically the president, who is also  
the treasurer of the board. Any ideas?  All legal advice is appreciated.




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>         February 14, 2008
>
>
> Dear friend:
>
> Do you know someone who has demonstrated
> initiative and leadership in improving the lives
> of blind people?  Have you encountered an
> organization that focuses its energies on
> exemplary programs to benefit the blind?  Perhaps
> you, yourself, have contributed substantially to
> helping blind people achieve full participation
> in society on the basis of equality?  If so, I
> want you to know that the National Federation of
> the Blind (NFB) has established the Dr. Jacob
> Bolotin Award Program, made possible through the
> Alfred and Rosalind Perlman Trust, to recognize
> outstanding contributions made by individuals
> (blind or sighted) and organizations that have
> made a significant impact on the lives of blind people.
>
> The NFB will present $100,000 in cash awards at
> our 2008 annual convention in Dallas, Texas.  I
> am excited about the opportunity to reward those
> who believe as I do in the capacity of the blind
> and who work with the blind to overcome obstacles
> to self-sufficiency and independence.  The
> problems of blindness can be solved, and those
> who contribute their talents and energies to
> advance the independence of the blind should be
> recognized and encouraged to continue their
> efforts.  I need your help to identify those who
> have implemented innovative strategies to help
> the blind gain equal access to resources and
> information and who encourage the blind to
> recognize and use their abilities to live full and productive lives.
>
> Time is running out, but it is not too late to
> nominate yourself, an individual, or an
> organization for a Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award--all
> applications must be received by April 15,
> 2008.  Please visit the NFB Web site
> (<http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org) for more
> information about the award and how to
> apply.  You may also call the National Federation of the Blind at
> (410) 659-9314 or contact us by email at
> <mailto:Bolotinaward at nfb.org>Bolotinaward at nfb.org
> with any questions you may have or for additional information.
>
> I look forward to congratulating the recipients
> of the Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award in person at the
> 2008 NFB National Convention and to thanking them
> for their efforts in creating a brighter future for blind people  
> everywhere.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Marc Maurer, President
> NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>
>
> HAVE YOU OR YOUR ORGANIZATION
> SHOWN INITIATIVE AND LEADERSHIP IN ASSISTING
> BLIND AMERICANS TO SELF-SUFFICIENCY?
> SHARE YOUR STORY--WIN AN AWARD!
>
> THE 2008 DR. JACOB BOLOTIN AWARDS
> A $100,000 program rewarding merit
> in service to blind Americans
>
> []
>
>
>
>
>
> Awards open to:
>
> ?     Blind Applicants
> ?     Sighted Applicants
> ?     Organizations
> ?     Commercial Entities
>
>
>
>
>
>
> DEADLINE: APRIL 15, 2008
>
>
> For more information and to apply please go to:
>  www.nfb.org
> You may also contact the National Federation of
> the Blind at (410) 659-9314 or by email at
> <mailto:Bolotinaward at nfb.org>Bolotinaward at nfb.org
> with any questions you may have or for additional details.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sponsored by the Alfred & Rosalind Perlman Trust
>
> Presented by the National Federation of the Blind
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:22:10 -0500
> From: zz wolfman <dibona at mac.com>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and
> 	DVR use
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org, blindcomputerusers at yahoogroups.com,
> 	blindmoviebuff at yahoogroups.com, info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
> Cc: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org, rforetjr at bellsouth.net
> Message-ID: <42152F52-28D8-4CE6-9329-1CB585FE06AB at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Maybe our blind lawyer group can help and even file on our behalf
> against Comcast, Apple, TV and cell phone companies, etc..  to make
> all products speakable for us in all areas, menus and sub menus and be
> enabled with voice recognition and take voice commands. They do a lot
> for all other disabilities yet over and over ... when it comes to the
> low vision and blind populations, they turn a BLIND EYE and everyone
> seems to back down from taking on this seemingly highly discriminatory
> practice!
> AND they say ADA is designed to give equal access to all !
> Well then,   Let us all get behind  and support those who will fight
> for our rights here.  Class action or individual, count me in.. This
> could  the  time for us  to be included and maybe rise above being
> thought of as part of a second class citizentry!
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: The BlindTechs Network <info at theblindtechsnetwork.com>
>> Date: January 22, 2008 10:24:23 PM EST
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
>> Reply-To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>
>> why doesn't the nfb file against comcast or investigate them like  
>> they
>> are doing apple for nonaccessible products.
>>
>>
>> The BlindTechs Network
>> www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
>> info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
>> 623-565-9357 (west phoenix Arizona)
>> 480-297-7569 (East Phoenix Arizona)
>> 562-219-2309 (Los Angeles California)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Brett Boyer wrote:
>>
>> I just read your message so forgive me if it has been mentioned. I
>> have a
>> lot of blind friends who are comcast subscribers and from what I know
>> the
>> set top boxes are not very accessible at all. Maybe you could  
>> memorize
>> some
>> steps for menus but unless you have someone to help you and write
>> everything
>> down good luck!
>> bb
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "Electronics Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:11 PM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
>>
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> In a couple of days, I will be switching from AT&T to Comcast.
>>> I'll be
>>> getting all three services from them, and the DVR also.  I'd very
>>> much
>>> like
>>> to hear from all of y'all who have Comcast as to the eas of using
>>> the DVR
>>> and the general feeling you think Comcast has toward blind
>>> customers; if
>>> any.  Feel free to write me off list if you like; or, if you feel  
>>> the
>>> entire
>>> group would benefit from your answer, that's fine too.  Thanks in
>>> advance.
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>>> Ray
>>> Home phone and fax:
>>> (985)853-0139
>>> E-mail:
>>> rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>>> God bless our troops!
>>> and God bless America
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Electronics-talk mailing list
>>> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Electronics-talk mailing list
>> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Electronics-talk mailing list
>> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> Maybe our blind lawyer group can help and even file on our behalf  
> against Comcast, Apple, TV and cell phone companies, etc..  to make  
> all products speakable for us in all areas, menus and sub menus and  
> be enabled with voice recognition and take voice commands. They do a  
> lot for all other disabilities yet over and over ... when it comes  
> to the low vision and blind populations, they turn a BLIND EYE and  
> everyone seems to back down from taking on this seemingly highly  
> discriminatory practice!
> AND they say ADA is designed to give equal access to all !
> Well then,   Let us all get behind  and support those who will fight  
> for our rights here.  Class action or individual, count me in.. This  
> could  the  time for us  to be included and maybe rise above being  
> thought of as part of a second class citizentry!
> Begin forwarded message:
> From:
> The BlindTechs Network < mailto:info at theblindtechsnetwork.com info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
>>
> Date:
> January 22, 2008 10:24:23 PM EST
> To:
> Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances < mailto:electronics-talk at nfbnet.org 
>  electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>
> Subject:
> Re: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
> Reply-To:
> Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances < mailto:electronics-talk at nfbnet.org 
>  electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>
> why doesn't the nfb file against comcast or investigate them like they
> are doing apple for nonaccessible products.
> The BlindTechs Network
> http://www.theblindtechsnetwork.com www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
> info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
> 623-565-9357 (west phoenix Arizona)
> 480-297-7569 (East Phoenix Arizona)
> 562-219-2309 (Los Angeles California)
> On Jan 22, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Brett Boyer wrote:
> I just read your message so forgive me if it has been mentioned. I
> have a
> lot of blind friends who are comcast subscribers and from what I know
> the
> set top boxes are not very accessible at all. Maybe you could memorize
> some
> steps for menus but unless you have someone to help you and write
> everything
> down good luck!
> bb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> To: "Electronics Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:11 PM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
> Hi there,
>  In a couple of days, I will be switching from AT&T to Comcast.
> I'll be
> getting all three services from them, and the DVR also.  I'd very much
> like
> to hear from all of y'all who have Comcast as to the eas of using
> the DVR
> and the general feeling you think Comcast has toward blind
> customers; if
> any.  Feel free to write me off list if you like; or, if you feel the
> entire
> group would benefit from your answer, that's fine too.  Thanks in
> advance.
> Sincerely yours,
> The Constantly Barefooted,
> Ray
> Home phone and fax:
> (985)853-0139
> E-mail:
> rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> God bless President George W. Bush!
> God bless our troops!
> and God bless America
> _______________________________________________
> Electronics-talk mailing list
> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
> _______________________________________________
> Electronics-talk mailing list
> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
> _______________________________________________
> Electronics-talk mailing list
> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:36:25 -0800
> From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fwd: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind,
> 	and DVR use
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <001101c8706e$a3340cf0$4201a8c0 at markea5ff9c354>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
>
> I keep seeing this add on TV for a new remote control, "So easy,  
> anyone can
> use it."  While I haven't researched it, I always chuckle cynically  
> and
> wonder if I, a totally blind man, could really use this new remote  
> control.
> In which case, what part of "everyone," does not include me, ... and  
> how
> much will they pay me not to whine about not being part of  
> "everyone?"...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "zz wolfman" <dibona at mac.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>; <blindcomputerusers at yahoogroups.com>;
> <blindmoviebuff at yahoogroups.com>; <info at theblindtechsnetwork.com>
> Cc: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>; <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:22 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and  
> DVR use
>
>
>> Maybe our blind lawyer group can help and even file on our behalf
>> against Comcast, Apple, TV and cell phone companies, etc..  to make
>> all products speakable for us in all areas, menus and sub menus and  
>> be
>> enabled with voice recognition and take voice commands. They do a lot
>> for all other disabilities yet over and over ... when it comes to the
>> low vision and blind populations, they turn a BLIND EYE and everyone
>> seems to back down from taking on this seemingly highly  
>> discriminatory
>> practice!
>> AND they say ADA is designed to give equal access to all !
>> Well then,   Let us all get behind  and support those who will fight
>> for our rights here.  Class action or individual, count me in.. This
>> could  the  time for us  to be included and maybe rise above being
>> thought of as part of a second class citizentry!
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: The BlindTechs Network <info at theblindtechsnetwork.com>
>>> Date: January 22, 2008 10:24:23 PM EST
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
>>> Reply-To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> why doesn't the nfb file against comcast or investigate them like  
>>> they
>>> are doing apple for nonaccessible products.
>>>
>>>
>>> The BlindTechs Network
>>> www.theblindtechsnetwork.com
>>> info at theblindtechsnetwork.com
>>> 623-565-9357 (west phoenix Arizona)
>>> 480-297-7569 (East Phoenix Arizona)
>>> 562-219-2309 (Los Angeles California)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Brett Boyer wrote:
>>>
>>> I just read your message so forgive me if it has been mentioned. I
>>> have a
>>> lot of blind friends who are comcast subscribers and from what I  
>>> know
>>> the
>>> set top boxes are not very accessible at all. Maybe you could  
>>> memorize
>>> some
>>> steps for menus but unless you have someone to help you and write
>>> everything
>>> down good luck!
>>> bb
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: "Electronics Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:11 PM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Comcast, the blind, and DVR use
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> In a couple of days, I will be switching from AT&T to Comcast.
>>>> I'll be
>>>> getting all three services from them, and the DVR also.  I'd very
>>>> much
>>>> like
>>>> to hear from all of y'all who have Comcast as to the eas of using
>>>> the DVR
>>>> and the general feeling you think Comcast has toward blind
>>>> customers; if
>>>> any.  Feel free to write me off list if you like; or, if you feel  
>>>> the
>>>> entire
>>>> group would benefit from your answer, that's fine too.  Thanks in
>>>> advance.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted,
>>>> Ray
>>>> Home phone and fax:
>>>> (985)853-0139
>>>> E-mail:
>>>> rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
>>>> Skype Name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> God bless President George W. Bush!
>>>> God bless our troops!
>>>> and God bless America
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Electronics-talk mailing list
>>>> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Electronics-talk mailing list
>>> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Electronics-talk mailing list
>>> Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/electronics-talk
>>
>>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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>
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From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:04:12 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice
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To: jobs at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Jobs] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice



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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 11:40:19 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] (no subject)
Message-ID: <614731.17521.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

WARNING: 
To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen magnification program in a timely manor.  
The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific examples from the text in the textbook.   
Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its courses.  
Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When one chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that the deadline for any refunds has passed.  
Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you register and are able to create a student account.  A student account can only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction or tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR technical reference pages through adobe systems.
Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able to utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the centers have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading software on sight.
In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE through there local colleges or universities, those individuals would have the same problems since the teachings and course related material is still channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University.  Kaplan outsources itself within local colleges and universities to offer there programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal corporate interests or political clout.  .  




      


From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 16:02:10 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Apoligies prior message was cut off:
Message-ID: <281338.34446.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I see that some have thought my message about my current expearience of studying for the GRE was a spam filled message.  
The information below outlines my experiences while studying for the Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I need some advice on how to proceed forward since I am not getting what I have paid for.
WARNING: 
To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen magnification program in a timely manor.  
The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific examples from the text in the textbook.   
Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its courses.  
Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When one chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that the deadline for any refunds has passed.  
Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you register and are able to create a student account.  A student account can only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction or tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR technical reference pages through adobe systems.
Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able to utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the centers have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading software on sight.
In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE through there local colleges or universities, those individuals would have the same problems since the teachings and course related material is still channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University.  Kaplan outsources itself within local colleges and universities to offer there programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal corporate interests or political clout.  .  




      


From timandvickie at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 26 18:39:10 2009
From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (Tim Shaw)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:39:10 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Apoligies prior message was cut off:
In-Reply-To: <281338.34446.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <281338.34446.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY139-W2245BA5916E74E8AC3A266CFF70@phx.gbl>


Now it IS getting a bit spamish;)
 
> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:02:10 -0700
> From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com
> To: humanser at nfbnet.org; promotion-technology at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org; Nyagdu at nfbnet.org; nagdu at nfbnet.org; Jobs at nfbnet.org; blindlaw at nfbnet.org; work-at-home-for-the-visually-impaired at googlegroups.com
> Subject: [blindlaw] Apoligies prior message was cut off:
> 
> I see that some have thought my message about my current expearience of studying for the GRE was a spam filled message.  
> The information below outlines my experiences while studying for the Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I need some advice on how to proceed forward since I am not getting what I have paid for.
> WARNING: 
> To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen magnification program in a timely manor.  
> The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific examples from the text in the textbook.   
> Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its courses.  
> Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When one chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that the deadline for any refunds has passed.  
> Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you register and are able to create a student account.  A student account can only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction or tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR technical reference pages through adobe systems.
> Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able to utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the centers have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading software on sight.
> In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE through there local colleges or universities, those individuals would have the same problems since the teachings and course related material is still channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University.  Kaplan outsources itself within local colleges and universities to offer there programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
> Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal corporate interests or political clout.  .  
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From Ronza.Othman at dhs.gov  Wed Aug 26 20:42:50 2009
From: Ronza.Othman at dhs.gov (Othman, Ronza)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:42:50 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Vacancy Announcement - Deputy Officer for Programs
	and Compliance
Message-ID: <C7A83F855C9DFC4794B8695BC4C10E6815D24B@ZAU1UG-0308.DHSNET.DS1.DHS>

 

DHS-CRCL has an opening for the Deputy Officer for Programs and
Compliance posted on USA Jobs.  The position sensitivity level is Top
Secret/SCI.  The vacancy announcement number is CHCO-09-011DHS and
closes on September 10, 2009.  Please forward to anyone who may be
interested and eligible.

 

CHCO-09-011DHS
<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=83044613&JobTitle=Deputy+O
fficer+for+Programs+and+Compliance&q=83044613&sort=rv%2c-dtex&jbf565=1&v
w=d&re=134&FedEmp=Y&FedPub=Y&caller=ses.aspx&AVSDM=2009-08-26+09%3a30%3a
00> 

 

Kind regards,

 

 

Ronza M. Othman, Esq.

Policy Advisor

Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties

U.S. Department of Homeland Security

202-357-8517

202-436-4437 (cell)

ronza.othman at dhs.gov <mailto:ronza.othman at dhs.gov> 

www.dhs.gov/civilliberties <http://www.dhs.gov/civilliberties> 

 

 


From ahuffman6 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 19:45:06 2009
From: ahuffman6 at gmail.com (F. Allen Huffman)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:45:06 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] possible assistance with internship or job opportunity
Message-ID: <003801ca274e$e96f0560$0201a8c0@ALLEN>

Hello, my name is Allen Huffman. I am totally blind and have recently graduated from the University of Central Florida with a degree in history and a minor  in political science pre-law. I am considering law school but would like to find a job or internship with a law firm to  gain practical experience in the legal field and to help me decide if that is the best career for me. I would also like to talk with blind attorneys to discuss their experiences as attorneys in general and as blind attorneys in particular. I was wondering if anyone in your organization had any thoughts or suggestions concerning these issues.  I can be reached by email at ahuffman6 at gmail.com. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thank you very much.

Respectfully Allen Huffman    

From jweisberg at screncilaw.com  Thu Aug 27 19:49:20 2009
From: jweisberg at screncilaw.com (James Weisberg)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:49:20 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Accommodations for State / NCBE
Message-ID: <FC50B49ED94B8A45A9AA3CE6D096CAED1F399B@2K3FS1.screnci.local>

Dear Listmates:

 

I am interested in hearing from anyone who has:

 

1.                   requested accommodations to take the Florida bar exam; and

2.                   requested accommodations on the multi-state bar exam.

 

Please e-mail me off-list with any information concerning your experience(s) and any advice gained.  Thanks.

 

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Law Office of Stephen W. Screnci, P.A.

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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 29 07:23:25 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:23:25 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
Message-ID: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>

I was contacted by a blind person who experienced a possible ADA violation at an Indian gaming casino here in central California. He was at a computer terminal playing bingo with his friend who was helping him as he could not read the computer screen. She advised him that he had a bingo and he called out as such. The casino staff did not want to award him his prize as he had stepped aside from the computer so his friend could read the screen and they were upset that someone was helping him play. He and his friend had frequented this casino on a regular basis and they were known to staff and other patrons. He attempted to explain the situation to a supervisor who was not helpful. I will be recommending that he file a complaint with the U.S. Department of Justice as it is my understanding that California ADA remedies and complaints do not apply as this is on Indian land. Is anyone aware of any similar problems with casinos both Indian or otherwise. I am especially interested as much of the new gaming technology is not accessible to blind patrons wanting to gamble. I personally raised the issue of accessibility to a member of another tribal council not involved in this incident and while he thought it was a valid concern he was not in a position to do anything about it. Any thoughts are appreciated.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237

From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 29 13:57:13 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 06:57:13 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
In-Reply-To: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>
References: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>
Message-ID: <359F6F31-B2B8-40A9-8571-37DA89523433@sbcglobal.net>

How would this be different from a case where someone goes to Las  
Vegas and can't play at the poker table, or read the bingo or keeno  
screens?  What does the ADA say about making these situations  
accessible?
Curious.

Mark BurningHawk
stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
Namaste!




From b75205 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 15:33:38 2009
From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:33:38 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
In-Reply-To: <359F6F31-B2B8-40A9-8571-37DA89523433@sbcglobal.net>
References: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>
	<359F6F31-B2B8-40A9-8571-37DA89523433@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <fe5b78280908290833t2fb427eblb026ba082a664b3b@mail.gmail.com>

They are a sovereign nation.
James Pepper

From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 16:18:56 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:18:56 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
Message-ID: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>

Good morning and happy Saturday to all.

 

I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
out?"  "Why do you live alone?"

 

There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.

 

Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions as
to how I should proceed?

 

Thanks!


From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 29 17:33:03 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:33:03 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
In-Reply-To: <359F6F31-B2B8-40A9-8571-37DA89523433@sbcglobal.net>
References: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>
	<359F6F31-B2B8-40A9-8571-37DA89523433@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <AEB4B285FF38459C8E24E7A538893ECC@spike>

There is actually no difference when it comes to ADA violations, the issue 
is the venue for resolving them as there is question about the level of 
authority that the state has on Indian lands because of their sovereignty.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino


> How would this be different from a case where someone goes to Las  Vegas 
> and can't play at the poker table, or read the bingo or keeno  screens? 
> What does the ADA say about making these situations  accessible?
> Curious.
>
> Mark BurningHawk
> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
> Namaste!
>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 29 17:42:27 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:42:27 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
Message-ID: <D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>

There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind tenant 
or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can do 
anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your ability to 
function in certain situations is not cause in itself for discrimination. On 
the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask such 
questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could constitute a 
violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
Chuck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>
>
>
> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>
>
>
> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>
>
>
> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions 
> as
> to how I should proceed?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
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> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 29 20:01:18 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:01:18 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
In-Reply-To: <AEB4B285FF38459C8E24E7A538893ECC@spike>
References: <F17CA5697A984E67A241B6C2A07A522C@spike>
	<359F6F31-B2B8-40A9-8571-37DA89523433@sbcglobal.net>
	<AEB4B285FF38459C8E24E7A538893ECC@spike>
Message-ID: <42CF4183-8AF1-4D1B-89CD-D366863BA563@sbcglobal.net>

I guess the ADA isn't "constitutional," as it's a federal act, not an  
amendment.  Interesting quandary, that.

Mark BurningHawk
stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
Namaste!


From stiehm.law at juno.com  Sat Aug 29 21:48:59 2009
From: stiehm.law at juno.com (stiehm.law)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:48:59 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] ADA violations in Indian gaming casino
Message-ID: <20090829.144900.23531.39624@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com>

I am hardly an expert in this area of the law, but I have learned some
basic concepts over the years, in several areas, i.e., debt collection
against tribal corporations, businesses and individuals on reservations,
enforceability of hunting and fishing regulations on reservations, the
creations of casinos on reservations within states in contravention of
state law and the Indian Child Welfare Act.  As a result I have some
ideas.

First, it is my understanding of the law, that state laws are not
generally enforceable on reservations, because of their status as
sovereign nations.  The vary reason you can have Indian casinos on
reservations within states that otherwise prohibit them is because of
this sovereign status.  This is important because state laws that mirror
the ADA in some aspects and may provide better remedies than the ADA, as
it has been interpreted, as I understand is the case in California, are
not of any help.  Tribal casinos are often managed by non tribal
corporations, that may be subject to state law, thought clearly such
entities are not subject to state law in running the casinos.  It may be
worth a bit of research however. 

Second, it is my understanding of the law that some federal laws apply to
individuals, businesses and corporations operating on reservation. 
Weather or not the ADA is one of these statutes and to what extent it may
apply, I do not know but again a bit of research might help.

Third, the tribal council may have adopted an ADA type ordinance or law,
that is enforceable in tribal courts.  This also my be worth a bit of
research.

Finally, the degree to which a given tribe may be "sovereign", vis-a-vis
some state and federal laws may be affected one way or another by
treaties between the United States and that tribe.  Not to sound like a
broken record, but this also may be worth a bit of research,

Good luck and please keep us posted on any progress you make on this
issue.  I am sure it is of interest to all of us.

Patrick H. Stiehm
Stiehm Law Office
Alexandria, VA 22309
703-360-1089 (Voice)
703-935-8266 (Fax)


On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:23:25 -0700 <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> I was contacted by a blind person who experienced a possible ADA 
> violation at an Indian gaming casino here in central California. He 
> was at a computer terminal playing bingo with his friend who was 
> helping him as he could not read the computer screen. She advised 
> him that he had a bingo and he called out as such. The casino staff 
> did not want to award him his prize as he had stepped aside from the 
> computer so his friend could read the screen and they were upset 
> that someone was helping him play. He and his friend had frequented 
> this casino on a regular basis and they were known to staff and 
> other patrons. He attempted to explain the situation to a supervisor 
> who was not helpful. I will be recommending that he file a complaint 
> with the U.S. Department of Justice as it is my understanding that 
> California ADA remedies and complaints do not apply as this is on 
> Indian land. Is anyone aware of any similar problems with casinos 
> both Indian or otherwise. I am especially interested as much of the 
> new gaming technology is not accessible to blind patrons wanting to 
> gamble. I personally raised the issue of accessibility to a member 
> of another tribal council not involved in this incident and while he 
> thought it was a valid concern he was not in a position to do 
> anything about it. Any thoughts are appreciated.
> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
> 1237 P Street
> Fresno ca 93721
> 559-266-9237
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From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 21:56:59 2009
From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:56:59 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Attention: Parents,
	teachers and Supporters of blind children struggling with literacy
Message-ID: <632092010908291456y52c69180q81f498b4edf8cee9@mail.gmail.com>

How many of us have struggled through comprehending Braille upon first
being introduced to it. How many of us have watched another child
struggle through the attempts to comprehend Braille upon their first
few encounters? Reading is difficult, especially at first. It isn't
often a child will "want," to sit still and turn the pages of a book
for an hour when the alternative is running outside, or watching
television. Parents, teachers, supporters, and even the children
themselves understand these struggles. And so does this man who gives
this account.

A PARENT'S LATE COMING TO BRAILLE

Kevin C. Murphy

Fourteen, blind since infancy, multiply handicapped, Kevin knew
about letters. Letters excited him in the way angels, UFOs,
ghosts, and monsters excite many of us -- lots of mystery, little
practical value. His favorite television programs, SESAME STREET
and THE ELECTRIC COMPANY mimicked Madison Avenue's technique of
manipulating human want. Kevin wanted to read. For this child,
reading had to mean Braille. Yet by 1981 "Braille" for Kevin, was a
mispronunciation of "fail." Preceded by dread, overshadowed by fear,
each class was cursed by confusion, each ended in depression.
Ending six years of effort, Kevin's teachers abandoned efforts to
teach Braille to him. I believed that Braille was beyond Kevin's
grasp. Yet, a distant part of me raged against that illiterate life.
Inwardly I hesitated to post full cost and cause to Kevin's account.
Kevin -- and Heather, my adopted daughter -- were multiply
handicapped and blind. No fear, nor excessive concern about
blindness gripped me. My children were who they were, I saw nothing in
need of fixing -- except, perhaps, in the society that shunned them.
I nursed a parent's terror of Braille, a thing so exotic, so
beyond my experience, that surely my ignorance of it can only damage
my child. But what harm could I do now? Kevin's legacy of Braille's
letters, alphabets, grief, effort, and failure were now discarded as
junk. I could do no harm.
Kevin could, at least, learn that symbolic languages exist,
function. He might not read a book, but he might understand how
others do that. Many who've never piloted aircraft understand their
workings.
I searched for means such that Kevin might keep what literacy he
had, perhaps to re-shape that knowledge base a bit to make life less
confusing to him. The approach: "Hey Kevin, want to work with Dad?" is
not a proven winner with fourteen-year-olds.
"Hey Kevin, want to work on Braille?" was a certain loser in
that age.
I mutilated Christmas toys, fashioned my first TACK-TILES® .
Little building blocks became Braille cells. "Hey Kevin, guess what I
did to your Lego® blocks!" was as perfect a "come on"
as any ever devised. I let his very annoyed half-wondering fingers survey the
damage thoroughly before accounting for myself -or mentioning B-----.
Then we built words and sentences on toy boards meant to
serve as front lawns. I was poorly prepared for the success of early
sessions with Kevin and TACK-TILES® . In that setting, failure meant
only that I would deny him his great pleasure of confiscating my
TACK-TILES® , forfeiting opportunity to lodge them onto his own board.
Here Braille's challenge was a benign contest of human beings, fun,
much more to his comfort and liking. Braille was lodged in a world of
his own -- less like the adult's. He allowed me to tease and fence
with him around his knowledge and ability to use this new learning
tool. He revealed secrets about his unique learning style, remained
at task until I wondered if I had an attention disorder. Kevin's
instructor -- his father -- had not the beginning of an idea how to
proceed. That helped immensely. Kevin and the TACK-TILES® took
complete charge. Success, followed success in the wake of success.
His teachers's earlier efforts finally bore fruit. Kevin was
able to read his grade one Braille papers by the end of that month.
Nearly nine years would pass before another child would learn to read
with TACK-TILES®. Five more years beyond that would pass before we
could afford to make them commercially available in February, 1995.


In March of 2009, I had the chance to meet Kevin Murphey, the
developer of Tack-Tiles. I stood before his table in a huge exhibit
hall marveling at how the product had evolved since I used them to
help me learn to read as a child. I was listening distractedly to him
deliver a sales pitch to the gentlman standing beside me. Explaining
his reasons for building the blocks in the first place, and remarking
that he'd never met another student besides his own son who had used
these products to learn how to read, although he'd sold many. I looked
up startled and turned towards him, hesitantly I put out my hand and
spoke up. "I learned how to read with these blocks." Kevin stopped
talking and turned to face me, surprise and pleasure in his voice as
he asked, "Really?" I smiled and I confirmed that I had. Idly I played
with his newest product, Braille Teasers, a sort of flat puzzle that
makes you think about where the letters can go provided one empty
space. The object is to get the board alphabitized without removing
the legos which is considered cheating. We talked and talked like old
friends, and then I asked if I could take a picture with him. He
agreed on the conditions that I email him a copy of the photo, which I
found to be a fair price.

As I sat at National Convention I heard a constant message. We must
increase Braille Literacy. Our kids need to be taught Braille.
Braille, Braille and more Braille. This brought a smile to my lips,
however, once I returned home I began to think. Braille Readers are
Leaders, Slate Pals, these programs reenforce Braille Skills that
children already possess, encouraging them to read. However, I have
yet to hear of a program geared towards teaching children Braille when
they know none to begin with. I called up my new friend Kevin and
launched in to my creative mode. My excitement prooved contagious, and
Kevin agreed to allow me a shot at promoting the product that made me
the Braille Reader I am today.

Tack-Tiles are tiny lego blocks with Braille letters, contractions,
numbers, or music symbols on them, depending on which set you
purchase. Sets can also be purchased in different languages. This
product can be extremely benificial because children do not realize
they are learning. I would rapidly lose interest in my reading and
begin to build things with my legos, stopping in fascination as I
realized my house had words on the roof. These legos can hold a
child's attention routed to literacy without his or her knowledge,
thus providing them with more exposure and practice, and making
reading fun.

It is my belief that organizations, and schools helping young
students, or students with multi-disabilities should own a set of
Tack-Tiles. If anyone has any questions or an interest in this
product, please don't hesitate to email me off list at:
daydreamingncolor at gmail.com
Or, visit the Tac-Tiles home page at:
http://www.tack-tiles.com/

Aziza Cano


From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 00:07:05 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:07:05 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
	<D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>
Message-ID: <001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>

I am aware that it could be a violation.  I think I should have been a bit
clearer in my previous post.

What I am specifically asking for guidance with is what questions should I
ask myself to determine if this is something to look into.

A point of clarification:  The landlord specifically said that he would have
to think about it because if something happened because I was blind, he
would feel bad.  I mistakenly left that out.  

I am viewing this just as an employer, many of which have not dealt with a
blind employee, have certain things they can and cannot ask, do the same
protections extend to this arena.

This is more of what I am seeking an answer for.    Thanks for any
assistance.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:42 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination

There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind tenant 
or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can do 
anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your ability to

function in certain situations is not cause in itself for discrimination. On

the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask such 
questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could constitute a

violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
Chuck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>
>
>
> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>
>
>
> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>
>
>
> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions 
> as
> to how I should proceed?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> _______________________________________________
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 30 01:29:17 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
Message-ID: <802769.56835.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Thank you for posting.
I offer the following advice:
[1].	Research the local town/city policies on renters and percentage of units for the disabled.
[2].	IN New York City, a publicly rented building is required to offer a percentage of units to low-income, the disabled, and seniors.  To be exact, a renter who owns more than five physical units or properties must keep a percentage of those units for those special populations.
[3].	Private landlords are not required to follow any rules since there renting a single unit within there house.
[4].	lastly, see which local political representative serves your area as well as a local Independent Living center (ILC).
[5].	Treat this like a job hunt always prepared to sell yourself bad most importantly, have someone sighted go with you to insure that what you are being offered is legitimately for the taking and you are not being sold or forced in to something falsely for someone’s greed.
[6].	If you secure a rental place, insure that you document all agreements so a potential landlord can not turn around and tell you that you are unable to have a guide dog on the property for example.

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, WB <mruniverse08 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: WB <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 12:18 PM
> Good morning and happy Saturday to
> all.
> 
>  
> 
> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for
> rent.  When we
> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I
> could live alone
> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a
> fire, how will you get
> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
> 
>  
> 
> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history,
> income, etc.
> 
>  
> 
> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple
> days.  He has not
> returned my call.  I understand that this is his
> property to rent as he
> chooses, but does this smell like rental
> discrimination?  Any suggestions as
> to how I should proceed?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rjs059 at peoplepc.com  Sun Aug 30 02:23:31 2009
From: rjs059 at peoplepc.com (rjs059 at peoplepc.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:23:31 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Skype
Message-ID: <529CA7949F074A1FACA5E2FEAF754A00@rjige047kjawst>

What is skype, and where can I get it? Please email me off List. rjs059 at peoplepc.com
Sincerely, RJ

From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 30 03:34:29 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:34:29 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com><D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>
	<001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
Message-ID: <AF31909AA15F4D23BF2B7D19F294C2B0@spike>

In that case it changes things. The question is whether the landlord would 
feel just as bad if anything happened to his other tenants. Regardless, it 
now sounds like discrimination and if he does not rent to you you should 
file a complaint with your Fair Housing Council if you have one or else the 
U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. I'm not sure if Texas has 
the equivalent of the DFEH or Department of Fair Employment and Housing that 
we have in California but they would investigate such complaints here.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


>I am aware that it could be a violation.  I think I should have been a bit
> clearer in my previous post.
>
> What I am specifically asking for guidance with is what questions should I
> ask myself to determine if this is something to look into.
>
> A point of clarification:  The landlord specifically said that he would 
> have
> to think about it because if something happened because I was blind, he
> would feel bad.  I mistakenly left that out.
>
> I am viewing this just as an employer, many of which have not dealt with a
> blind employee, have certain things they can and cannot ask, do the same
> protections extend to this arena.
>
> This is more of what I am seeking an answer for.    Thanks for any
> assistance.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:42 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
> There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind tenant
> or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can 
> do
> anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your ability 
> to
>
> function in certain situations is not cause in itself for discrimination. 
> On
>
> the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask such
> questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could constitute 
> a
>
> violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
>> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>>
>>
>>
>> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
>> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live 
>> alone
>> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
>> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>>
>>
>>
>> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has 
>> not
>> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
>> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions
>> as
>> to how I should proceed?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 30 13:07:38 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:07:38 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
	<D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>
	<001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
Message-ID: <AC26D127-41C6-487E-A0E0-8222309D2D03@sbcglobal.net>

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know whether or not a suit or legal  
action is possible, but I just don't get the fundamental basis of the  
landlord's objection.  The landlord sounds as if he may be indulging  
in magical thinking--blindness will cause catastrophe somehow, in the  
same way you shouldn't step on a crack, break your mother's back.   
What is the connection between being blind and having "something bad  
happen?"  How does being blind precipitate misfortune, or how does  
being blind imply increased likelihood of injury?  The landlord sounds  
mentally ill, as I say, and I would be quite dubious of his ability to  
competently carry out any duties related to the place you'd rent.

Mark BurningHawk
stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
Namaste!



From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 14:00:15 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:00:15 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <AC26D127-41C6-487E-A0E0-8222309D2D03@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>	<D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>	<001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
	<AC26D127-41C6-487E-A0E0-8222309D2D03@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <001e01ca297a$372a7a00$a57f6e00$@com>

Thanks for the responses.  I really appreciate them.

I don't think that I would bring suit against this guy, I was just curious
as to different avenues.  As some of you may be aware, my loss of sight is
fairly recent (within the past year and a half) so there are things I am
experiencing for the first time.

Thanks again.  I hope to be able to avoid this situation in the future...or
now be able to have a set of guidelines to go by to protect myself
adequately.

Thanks and have a great Sunday!

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:08 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know whether or not a suit or legal  
action is possible, but I just don't get the fundamental basis of the  
landlord's objection.  The landlord sounds as if he may be indulging  
in magical thinking--blindness will cause catastrophe somehow, in the  
same way you shouldn't step on a crack, break your mother's back.   
What is the connection between being blind and having "something bad  
happen?"  How does being blind precipitate misfortune, or how does  
being blind imply increased likelihood of injury?  The landlord sounds  
mentally ill, as I say, and I would be quite dubious of his ability to  
competently carry out any duties related to the place you'd rent.

Mark BurningHawk
stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
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From roddj12 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 30 20:51:08 2009
From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod alcidonis)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:51:08 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-DAV8050B41B581A4BDD63D74BBF30@phx.gbl>

These are legitimate questions to ask, albeit improper ones. These 
questionss, standing alone, do not constitute discrimination. He has not 
refused to rent to you yet because of your blindness. It sounds like this is 
a landlord who is not familiar with the process rather than one who is out 
to discriminate.

Call him in a couple of days.

Rod alcidonis, J.D.
C. (718) 704-4651
roddj12 at hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:18 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>
>
>
> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>
>
>
> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>
>
>
> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions 
> as
> to how I should proceed?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
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From roddj12 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 30 20:58:17 2009
From: roddj12 at hotmail.com (Rod alcidonis)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:58:17 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com><D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike><001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
	<AF31909AA15F4D23BF2B7D19F294C2B0@spike>
Message-ID: <BAY105-DAV96F8126DA337B487FE9A3BBF30@phx.gbl>

Chuck, threat of discrimination does not amount to discrimination. A 
complaint will be premature at this point. Discrimination is an act, and it 
only occurs when the Landlord makes it explicit that he would not rent to a 
blind person because of the person's blindess.

This is an uninformed landlord who needs to be educated.

Rod alcidonis, J.D.
C. (718) 704-4651
roddj12 at hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> In that case it changes things. The question is whether the landlord would 
> feel just as bad if anything happened to his other tenants. Regardless, it 
> now sounds like discrimination and if he does not rent to you you should 
> file a complaint with your Fair Housing Council if you have one or else 
> the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. I'm not sure if 
> Texas has the equivalent of the DFEH or Department of Fair Employment and 
> Housing that we have in California but they would investigate such 
> complaints here.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
>>I am aware that it could be a violation.  I think I should have been a bit
>> clearer in my previous post.
>>
>> What I am specifically asking for guidance with is what questions should 
>> I
>> ask myself to determine if this is something to look into.
>>
>> A point of clarification:  The landlord specifically said that he would 
>> have
>> to think about it because if something happened because I was blind, he
>> would feel bad.  I mistakenly left that out.
>>
>> I am viewing this just as an employer, many of which have not dealt with 
>> a
>> blind employee, have certain things they can and cannot ask, do the same
>> protections extend to this arena.
>>
>> This is more of what I am seeking an answer for.    Thanks for any
>> assistance.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:42 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>
>> There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind 
>> tenant
>> or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can 
>> do
>> anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your ability 
>> to
>>
>> function in certain situations is not cause in itself for discrimination. 
>> On
>>
>> the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask such
>> questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could 
>> constitute a
>>
>> violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
>> Chuck
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>
>>
>>> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
>>> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live 
>>> alone
>>> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
>>> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has 
>>> not
>>> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
>>> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any 
>>> suggestions
>>> as
>>> to how I should proceed?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 30 22:48:21 2009
From: rjtlawfirm at yahoo.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:48:21 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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It may smell like discrimination, but you might not be able to prove it
because of one critical mistake you made. During your phone call, you had
nothing to gain by telling him you were blind. You should have Asked some
questions to determine if he was inclined to rent to you. If it seemed like
he might be inclined to rent to you, save the "I am blind" surprise for your
face-to-face meeting.  If he backed out then, you know the real reason.



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Rod alcidonis
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:51 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination

These are legitimate questions to ask, albeit improper ones. These 
questionss, standing alone, do not constitute discrimination. He has not 
refused to rent to you yet because of your blindness. It sounds like this is

a landlord who is not familiar with the process rather than one who is out 
to discriminate.

Call him in a couple of days.

Rod alcidonis, J.D.
C. (718) 704-4651
roddj12 at hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:18 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>
>
>
> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>
>
>
> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>
>
>
> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions 
> as
> to how I should proceed?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 00:15:51 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:15:51 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-DAV96F8126DA337B487FE9A3BBF30@phx.gbl>
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You are correct as no real evidence of an act of discrimination has occurred 
and no pattern of discrimination exists here on the part of this landlord.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rod alcidonis" <roddj12 at hotmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> Chuck, threat of discrimination does not amount to discrimination. A 
> complaint will be premature at this point. Discrimination is an act, and 
> it only occurs when the Landlord makes it explicit that he would not rent 
> to a blind person because of the person's blindess.
>
> This is an uninformed landlord who needs to be educated.
>
> Rod alcidonis, J.D.
> C. (718) 704-4651
> roddj12 at hotmail.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
>> In that case it changes things. The question is whether the landlord 
>> would feel just as bad if anything happened to his other tenants. 
>> Regardless, it now sounds like discrimination and if he does not rent to 
>> you you should file a complaint with your Fair Housing Council if you 
>> have one or else the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. 
>> I'm not sure if Texas has the equivalent of the DFEH or Department of 
>> Fair Employment and Housing that we have in California but they would 
>> investigate such complaints here.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>
>>
>>>I am aware that it could be a violation.  I think I should have been a 
>>>bit
>>> clearer in my previous post.
>>>
>>> What I am specifically asking for guidance with is what questions should 
>>> I
>>> ask myself to determine if this is something to look into.
>>>
>>> A point of clarification:  The landlord specifically said that he would 
>>> have
>>> to think about it because if something happened because I was blind, he
>>> would feel bad.  I mistakenly left that out.
>>>
>>> I am viewing this just as an employer, many of which have not dealt with 
>>> a
>>> blind employee, have certain things they can and cannot ask, do the same
>>> protections extend to this arena.
>>>
>>> This is more of what I am seeking an answer for.    Thanks for any
>>> assistance.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:42 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>>
>>> There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind 
>>> tenant
>>> or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can 
>>> do
>>> anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your 
>>> ability to
>>>
>>> function in certain situations is not cause in itself for 
>>> discrimination. On
>>>
>>> the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask 
>>> such
>>> questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could 
>>> constitute a
>>>
>>> violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
>>>> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live 
>>>> alone
>>>> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you 
>>>> get
>>>> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, 
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has 
>>>> not
>>>> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
>>>> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any 
>>>> suggestions
>>>> as
>>>> to how I should proceed?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> blindlaw mailing list
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From womankind at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 31 00:53:13 2009
From: womankind at earthlink.net (Stephanie Ortoleva)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:53:13 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
In-Reply-To: <EB5EEDE5B7C646DDAC7881AC042D2D77@russ>
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
	<BAY105-DAV8050B41B581A4BDD63D74BBF30@phx.gbl>
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I would have a friend who is not blind call him to see if the 
apartment is still available.  Your friend should start with some 
personal history that would be like yours, e.g., income, last rent 
paid, etc.  Of course, your friend should not be blind and should not 
say anything about being blind.

Then if your friend gets an appointment to come to see the apartment, 
you should call back within a few minutes thereafter to re-express 
your interest.  Then your friend should confirm the appointment he or 
she had arranged -- but better to keep the sex the same as yours -- 
to confirm the appointment.

Seems to me that if your friend gets a "yes"" to making an 
appointment and you never get a callback and your friend does not 
indicate that he is blind, than at least you would have a potential 
"refusal to deal" complaint.  Of course, all this depends on where 
you live, e.g., which state or city and what the civil rights law is there.

What I am suggesting here is to do testing.  and, of course, keep 
records of dates of your phone calls and the calls of your friend who 
you ask to be a tester, and what was said during those calls.

But if the apartment is rented when your friend  calls that is more 
difficult without knowing the date and time of the first call from 
the person to whom the landlord rented  and the date and time at 
which the landlord offered to rent the apartment to that person.

Of course, this is not legal advice as I do not know all the facts of 
your claim and have no knowledge of the law in your jurisdiction.

And, of course, to actually rent the apartment, you would probably 
need to document your income and rental history, employment status, etc.

Good luck.
At 06:48 P
M 8/30/2009, you wrote:
>It may smell like discrimination, but you might not be able to prove it
>because of one critical mistake you made. During your phone call, you had
>nothing to gain by telling him you were blind. You should have Asked some
>questions to determine if he was inclined to rent to you. If it seemed like
>he might be inclined to rent to you, save the "I am blind" surprise for your
>face-to-face meeting.  If he backed out then, you know the real reason.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Rod alcidonis
>Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:51 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>These are legitimate questions to ask, albeit improper ones. These
>questionss, standing alone, do not constitute discrimination. He has not
>refused to rent to you yet because of your blindness. It sounds like this is
>
>a landlord who is not familiar with the process rather than one who is out
>to discriminate.
>
>Call him in a couple of days.
>
>Rod alcidonis, J.D.
>C. (718) 704-4651
>roddj12 at hotmail.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:18 PM
>Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
> > Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
> >
> >
> >
> > I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
> > talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live alone
> > while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
> > out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
> >
> >
> >
> > There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has not
> > returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
> > chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any suggestions
> > as
> > to how I should proceed?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > blindlaw mailing list
> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > blindlaw:
> >
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>com
> >
>
>
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From langlois2 at verizon.net  Mon Aug 31 02:44:25 2009
From: langlois2 at verizon.net (Brian Langlois)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:44:25 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com><D9D702557E8C4F2F8BB2F22FDCA7FBAE@spike>
	<001401ca2905$d2c631e0$785295a0$@com>
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Message-ID: <EE9AE4E07CE54BB0A5005548DAD18743@barney03>

I wonder if the landlord decides the risk is too high, you could ask him for 
a letter explaining the reasons for his refusal. Such a document would be 
helpful to support an administrative complaint.
Who knows? If he isn't bright enough to know he is discriminating, perhaps 
he would supply the letter!
Hopefully, it won't come to that.
Brian


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> In that case it changes things. The question is whether the landlord would
> feel just as bad if anything happened to his other tenants. Regardless, it
> now sounds like discrimination and if he does not rent to you you should
> file a complaint with your Fair Housing Council if you have one or else 
> the
> U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. I'm not sure if Texas 
> has
> the equivalent of the DFEH or Department of Fair Employment and Housing 
> that
> we have in California but they would investigate such complaints here.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
>>I am aware that it could be a violation.  I think I should have been a bit
>> clearer in my previous post.
>>
>> What I am specifically asking for guidance with is what questions should 
>> I
>> ask myself to determine if this is something to look into.
>>
>> A point of clarification:  The landlord specifically said that he would
>> have
>> to think about it because if something happened because I was blind, he
>> would feel bad.  I mistakenly left that out.
>>
>> I am viewing this just as an employer, many of which have not dealt with 
>> a
>> blind employee, have certain things they can and cannot ask, do the same
>> protections extend to this arena.
>>
>> This is more of what I am seeking an answer for.    Thanks for any
>> assistance.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:42 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>
>> There are many private landlords that have never dealt with a blind 
>> tenant
>> or a blind person for that matter and are in awe that a blind person can
>> do
>> anything independently. Just because he asks questions about your ability
>> to
>>
>> function in certain situations is not cause in itself for discrimination.
>> On
>>
>> the other hand however it is not good practice for a landlord to ask such
>> questions and if he does not rent to you in the future it could 
>> constitute
>> a
>>
>> violation of the U.S. Fair Housing Act.
>> Chuck
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:18 AM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>>
>>
>>> Good morning and happy Saturday to all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns duplexes for rent.  When we
>>> talked about my renting one, he only asked me about how I could live
>>> alone
>>> while being blind.  He also asked, "If there is a fire, how will you get
>>> out?"  "Why do you live alone?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There were absolutely no questions about my rental history, income, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Needless to say, he told me to call him back in a couple days.  He has
>>> not
>>> returned my call.  I understand that this is his property to rent as he
>>> chooses, but does this smell like rental discrimination?  Any 
>>> suggestions
>>> as
>>> to how I should proceed?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From langlois2 at verizon.net  Mon Aug 31 02:51:24 2009
From: langlois2 at verizon.net (Brian Langlois)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:51:24 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
References: <000301ca28c4$6e2f38d0$4a8daa70$@com>
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Message-ID: <B1CC07BDFC1B499BB166CFCD318DF66C@barney03>

I've spoken with blind couples who, many years ago, were denied housing 
based on blindness,e.g. landlord couldn't afford to keep a fire truck at the 
ready in case they burned the house down.
I remember having the same concerns when looking at a unit. The fact that we 
didn't have a car was in our favour when the owner made his decision.
Brian


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know whether or not a suit or legal
> action is possible, but I just don't get the fundamental basis of the
> landlord's objection.  The landlord sounds as if he may be indulging
> in magical thinking--blindness will cause catastrophe somehow, in the
> same way you shouldn't step on a crack, break your mother's back.
> What is the connection between being blind and having "something bad
> happen?"  How does being blind precipitate misfortune, or how does
> being blind imply increased likelihood of injury?  The landlord sounds
> mentally ill, as I say, and I would be quite dubious of his ability to
> competently carry out any duties related to the place you'd rent.
>
> Mark BurningHawk
> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
> Namaste!
>
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From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:28:37 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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I'm still missing something here; why would a blind person burn the  
house down?  I didn't even know it was legal to privately own a fire  
truck, much less keep on residence. :)  I just don't understand the  
magical thinking that goes on between noting that someone's eyes don't  
work and extrapolating every conceivable disaster possible.  When I  
see a deaf person or a person using a wheelchair, I don't  
automatically start watching out for fires or hurricanes or falling  
bricks; the landlord sounds like he might need to be on meds. :)

Mark BurningHawk
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Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 19:29:44 2009
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:29:44 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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being that you have a disability and specifically being blind you don't 
realize the fears and myths that sighted people have about blindness and the 
misunderstandings that the sighted have about how blind people are able to 
function. We know that for sighted people vision is the most used factor in 
a person's life and many sighted people cannot fathom how a blind person is 
able to do anything without the use of vision. It is not a question of 
mental illness or anything like that, it is a question of lack of exposure 
and information that is logical. I frequently have had to explain to many 
people that blindness is actually an easier disability to accommodate or 
adapt to as physical barriers do not need to be overcome or the blind person 
is not isolated because they cannot hear or participate in conversations 
around them, etc. Much of our job as Federationists is to constantly educate 
people and not jump to conclusions that because a person makes an uninformed 
statement regarding the blind or asks questions about how blind people 
function they are mentally ill. The fear factor is very prevalent on the 
part of many sighted people when it comes to losing their sight which is 
discussed in many classes in the counseling professions which is off topic 
for this list.
Chuck
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> I'm still missing something here; why would a blind person burn the  house 
> down?  I didn't even know it was legal to privately own a fire  truck, 
> much less keep on residence. :)  I just don't understand the  magical 
> thinking that goes on between noting that someone's eyes don't  work and 
> extrapolating every conceivable disaster possible.  When I  see a deaf 
> person or a person using a wheelchair, I don't  automatically start 
> watching out for fires or hurricanes or falling  bricks; the landlord 
> sounds like he might need to be on meds. :)
>
> Mark BurningHawk
> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
> Namaste!
>
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From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 20:43:20 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:43:20 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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I'm sorry if I said something that was mistaken.  I was born blind,  
and I am prone to shun people who seem to have prejudices.  Thus, I am  
not constantly exposed to these myths, nor am I so preoccupied with my  
blindness that I could recognize a myth if one were to rear its head  
during the course of my day.  Indeed, often I have to search my mind  
to figure out what someone is talking to when they engage in this sort  
of mythical approach to me.  I didn't mean to imply that the landlord  
was mentally ill for asking questions about blindness.  However, I  
don't see the relationship between blindness and increased fire  
hazard, so I wouldn't know how to answer such a question.  If he were  
to ask me how I will find the house, I might understand the question  
as one concerning me as a blind person.  HOwever, since I don't think  
of myself as a blind person, but rather as a person whose inability to  
physically see sometimes needs to be worked around, again, I have a  
hard time switching gears to the mind-set that the eyes not working is  
the *ONLY* thing someone perceives, or at least, by far, the most  
impacting.

You're right, though; we're drifting from the list goals.
Mark BurningHawk
stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
Namaste!




From timandvickie at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 31 21:01:07 2009
From: timandvickie at hotmail.com (Tim Shaw)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:01:07 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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I dont think his point was yould be more likely to burn it down, hes worried he wouldnt get out of the house if it did catch fire.
 
> From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:28:37 -0700
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
> 
> I'm still missing something here; why would a blind person burn the 
> house down? I didn't even know it was legal to privately own a fire 
> truck, much less keep on residence. :) I just don't understand the 
> magical thinking that goes on between noting that someone's eyes don't 
> work and extrapolating every conceivable disaster possible. When I 
> see a deaf person or a person using a wheelchair, I don't 
> automatically start watching out for fires or hurricanes or falling 
> bricks; the landlord sounds like he might need to be on meds. :)
> 
> Mark BurningHawk
> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969
> Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
> Namaste!
> 
> 
> 
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Aug 31 22:02:18 2009
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:02:18 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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I couldn't agree more. The parade of tragedy and terror that will follow the 
blind or visually impaired is truly astounding. Your comments that the 
sighted cannot imagine life without sight as a cause of those types of myths 
is probably the reason.
I recall when I was in college many, many years ago - a friend of mine, with 
great concern in his voice told me that he'd read a study that had been 
conducted by the Mary Hitchcock medical center out of Dartmouth - this was 
back in the early 1980's - that noted a remarkable statistic:
The suicide rate among people diagnosed with terminal cancer was second to 
those who had gone blind later in life.
Apparently the thought of being in permanant darkness had a whole lot to do 
with it.
Of course, my buddy was all concerned that I was going to take some rash 
action as I was going blind. Well, there is just no understanding some 
people out there.
One of these days I should try to see if I can find that Mary-hitchcock 
study he was talking about. I'd like to read it sometime.
    But there you are, even if someone knows you, blindness changes the way 
they all look at you.
I could tell you stories about being a blind attorney that would make your 
hair curl though - and I'm sure that others on this list can do the same 
from their own experiences.
The depths of some people's lack of education is simply amazing though. Like 
the time I was being interviewed for a job by a private practice attorney 
who had just left the attorney general's office - he asked me if I'd learned 
how to use a telephone yet. He followed that one up with the best one I've 
ever heard to date: "Did you take the real bar exam, or one of those tests 
for handicapped people?"
    They're out there folks - they really are, and they outnumber us.
So, when someone relates stories like the landlord in this first posting - 
about all I can say to myself is: "Well, there is someone else who puts his 
logical reasoning "on hold" when he meets a blind person."
But when it comes to tragedies and disasters as a blind man --- I did break 
my foot once about 7 years ago when I stepped into a pothole that was in a 
crosswalk. Does that count as a tragedy?
 Hey, you ever try to walk on crutches with a white cane? There is a trick 
to it...

Ross Doerr



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To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


> being that you have a disability and specifically being blind you don't
> realize the fears and myths that sighted people have about blindness and 
> the
> misunderstandings that the sighted have about how blind people are able to
> function. We know that for sighted people vision is the most used factor 
> in
> a person's life and many sighted people cannot fathom how a blind person 
> is
> able to do anything without the use of vision. It is not a question of
> mental illness or anything like that, it is a question of lack of exposure
> and information that is logical. I frequently have had to explain to many
> people that blindness is actually an easier disability to accommodate or
> adapt to as physical barriers do not need to be overcome or the blind 
> person
> is not isolated because they cannot hear or participate in conversations
> around them, etc. Much of our job as Federationists is to constantly 
> educate
> people and not jump to conclusions that because a person makes an 
> uninformed
> statement regarding the blind or asks questions about how blind people
> function they are mentally ill. The fear factor is very prevalent on the
> part of many sighted people when it comes to losing their sight which is
> discussed in many classes in the counseling professions which is off topic
> for this list.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
>
>
>> I'm still missing something here; why would a blind person burn the 
>> house
>> down?  I didn't even know it was legal to privately own a fire  truck,
>> much less keep on residence. :)  I just don't understand the  magical
>> thinking that goes on between noting that someone's eyes don't  work and
>> extrapolating every conceivable disaster possible.  When I  see a deaf
>> person or a person using a wheelchair, I don't  automatically start
>> watching out for fires or hurricanes or falling  bricks; the landlord
>> sounds like he might need to be on meds. :)
>>
>> Mark BurningHawk
>> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>> Namaste!
>>
>>
>>
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>
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From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 22:11:28 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:11:28 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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Sorry, but it just doesn't follow logically for me; A sighted person  
who lives in an apartment, I am pretty sure, does not need sight to  
get around that place.  I could be wrong on this, and it was mentioned  
that the original poster was newly blind, so maybe I'm just not  
getting the context right.  Anyway, let's either take this off list or  
let it go, because I am not communicating my issue well and am adding  
go list clutter.

Mark BurningHawk
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Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
Namaste!



From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 22:30:36 2009
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:30:36 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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I went to Dartmouth, class of 1990.  I only bring it up because you  
mentioned Mary Hitchcock.

For me, the problem is more basic.  I can't imagine life without legs,  
either, or a strong body, but that doesn't mean that if I meet someone  
who leads a life without legs, that I will "logically," deduce that he  
or she cannot think or cook or function.  I will merely observe to see  
if he or she has adapted; if not, then that's more his/her personal  
hell than mine; if so, then that is merely what I would expect of any  
strong person.  I'm not sure that a lack of education explains it,  
since attorneys, as some here may attest, have asked disconnected  
questions such a whether or not you can use a phone--another one I  
can't conceive of the connection.  There seems to be here demonstrated  
a lapse into fear-driven temporary insanity, in which Aristotelian  
logic or orderly, progressive reasoning does not function.  This is  
why I am almost always caught unprepared whenever confronted by  
someone acting irrationally around me.

Mark BurningHawk
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Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 23:45:24 2009
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:45:24 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
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Good afternoon group!  I hope your Monday has gone well.

As the person who posted this question, I would like to say that I have
received a wealth of information within this string of e-mails.  I had no
idea that my question would elicit so much interest.  I am thankful for
that.  I have received some great guidelines and suggestions that I will
carry with me.

I appreciate the comments as they have all helped me in some way.  Thank you
all and have a great week!

William

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Shaw
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:01 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination


I dont think his point was yould be more likely to burn it down, hes worried
he wouldnt get out of the house if it did catch fire.
 
> From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:28:37 -0700
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question About Rental Discrimination
> 
> I'm still missing something here; why would a blind person burn the 
> house down? I didn't even know it was legal to privately own a fire 
> truck, much less keep on residence. :) I just don't understand the 
> magical thinking that goes on between noting that someone's eyes don't 
> work and extrapolating every conceivable disaster possible. When I 
> see a deaf person or a person using a wheelchair, I don't 
> automatically start watching out for fires or hurricanes or falling 
> bricks; the landlord sounds like he might need to be on meds. :)
> 
> Mark BurningHawk
> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969
> Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
> Namaste!
> 
> 
> 
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