[blindlaw] ADA and Air Travel
James Weisberg
jimi-law at dc.rr.com
Thu Dec 3 01:34:44 UTC 2009
Assumptions. Who said anything about money damages? I referenced their
need to adequately train their staff I think. Who is going to advocate for
people like me? If I can do it for myself should I not? It takes thick
skin to fight the good fight and not go along to get along.
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] ADA and Air Travel
I think you just get some thicker skin and go on with your life.
A bad break but not worth monetary damages.
Steve----- Original Message -----
From: "James Weisberg" <jimi-law at dc.rr.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] ADA and Air Travel
> In retrospect it's actually kind of funny although at the time it wasn't.
> I
> travel with a Guide Dog. So, as it was discussed in this thread, I made
> advance arrangements to be seated in the "bulkhead" seat which affords
> more
> foot space so the dog can be in a position whereby she is not entirely on
> my
> feet nor the feet of the person next to me. No problem. When I get to
> the
> airport to check in I get assistance to the gate since the dog has yet to
> learn to read much to my consternation. When I get to the gate I check in
> and inform the attendant about the Guide Dog and confirm the placement in
> the bulkhead seat. At this time I also inquire if the plane is full,
> sometimes it is not, as in this instance. I inform the attendant they may
> wish to juggle the passengers around and leave the seat next to me empty
> so
> they do not have a paying passenger with a dog on their legs for the
> entire
> trip. Never had a problem when put in these terms. I also inform them
> the
> window seat is necessary to keep the dog from sticking into the isle. So
> a
> window, bulkhead seat with and empty seat next to me is ideal for me, the
> dog, and the passenger who would otherwise be seated next to me.
>
> Get on the plane and in my window bulk head seat which has been assigned
> to
> me along with leaving the seat next to me empty which was arranged at the
> gate. I am traveling with a cat in a container which I have paid to bring
> on the plane and immediately after taking my seat I place the cat
> container
> in the seat next to me to get "situated." As soon as I am seated I am
> confronted by a stew who says I will have to change seats to another row;
> non bulkhead. I think it was the cat container b/c the rules I believe
> are
> it has to be placed under the seat in front of you and a bulkhead seat has
> no seat in front of it so . . . On my travels the other way with the cat
> six months earlier the container was taken and moved to an appropriate
> place
> on the plane to the entertainment of the other passengers. Anyways, I
> politely inform the stew I cannot move to another row and attempt to
> explain
> my particular circumstances which make this so. He interrupts me and
> starts
> to berate me, and here comes the funny part, he actually says to me, "we
> have disabled passengers who have paid for these seats (the two next to
> me)." Keep in mind I am sitting there with a dog in harness that says
> "Guide Dogs for the Blind." This guy is a real genius. I just tell him
> after that to het his supervisor. The sup shows and gives me the same
> routine stating there is an entire empty row in the rear of the plane
> (where
> of course only I would be inconvenienced without a place for MY feet). So
> instead of moving the passengers across the isle in the bulkhead row to
> the
> empty row of seats and allowing the other disabled passengers to take the
> bulk head across the row from me they instead stuck a nice old woman and
> her
> daughter next to me (nobody disabled) and this nice woman took it in
> stride
> with grace and dealt with a dog on her feet for four plus hours.
>
> The humiliation comes from, if not obvious, having my disability pointed
> out
> to all on the plane who hadn't already noticed in a demeaning manner
> (which
> would not have occurred but for the disability)thereafter followed up by
> their non accommodating my request to me indicates indifference to the
> needs
> of those similarly situated as I when traveling. Seems like the airline I
> refer is in need of some modification to their training. I think I may
> help
> them out toward that end.
>
> James W. Weisberg, Esq.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of WB
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] ADA and Air Travel
>
> Well, exactly how wer you marginalized is what the question is I think.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of James Weisberg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:40 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] ADA and Air Travel
>
> being marginalized because of something (my case disability)in front of a
> plane full of passengers is humiliating. No?
>
> James W. Weisberg, Esq.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:19 AM
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] ADA and Air Travel
>
> In your opinion, how were you humiliated?
> Steve
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Weisberg" <jimi-law at dc.rr.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] ADA and Air Travel
>
>
>> As the original poster of this thread I wanted to point out the reason
>> for
>> my inquiry was not related to accommodations but rather being publicly
>> humiliated by air carrier staff (stew) which of course is a common
>> carrier
>> and that's a big "no no." Since the humiliation was based upon the
>> presence
>> of a guide dog the ADA first came to mind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally, Ben you rock dude!!
>>
>>
>> James W. Weisberg, Esq.
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of stiehm.law
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:58 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] ADA and Air Travel
>>
>> In addition to the airlines, I have recently become curious as to what if
>> any, accommodations for the TSA makes with respect to disabled people
>> going through security and being picked up by somebody at the gate at the
>> terminal at the other end of the flight. For example, do they permit a
>> blind person who is traveling alone to be accompanied through security,
>> down to the airline check-in counter at the gate by a non-ticketed
>> person.
>>
>> At the other end, is a non-ticketed person permitted through security to
>> go to the gate to meet a blind person flying alone?
>>
>> If TSA does not provide for such accommodations do the airlines take it
>> on themselves to provide this service?
>>
>> Has anybody had any experience in this regard? Is the accommodation, if
>> any, voluntary on the part of the TSA and/or the airlines or is it
>> governed by regulation?
>>
>> Patrick H. Stiehm
>> Stiehm Law Office
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>>
>>
>>
>> Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:30:37 -0800 "Russell J. Thomas, Jr."
>> <rthomas at rjtlawfirm.com> writes:
>>> Off the top of my head, and without any new research, the only case
>>> I
>>> remember is a case challenging the accessibility of airline websites
>>> with
>>> respect to attempting to make reservations and ordering tickets on
>>> line.
>>>
>>> I also think that there are regulations on the subject, especially
>>> dealing
>>> with how disabled passengers are to be treated (or perhaps on some
>>> occasions
>>> mistreated).
>>>
>>> I often thought it would be a good idea for the NFB to put together
>>> a short
>>> guide book concerning travel, including air travel, based upon
>>> experiences
>>> of NFB members, to be used as a reference guide for blind people who
>>> use air
>>> travel. Certainly things have changed since 911--some changes for
>>> the good,
>>> and others not so good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of James Weisberg
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:01 AM
>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] ADA and Air Travel
>>>
>>> Hi Folks:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone on the lists have experience or knowledge regarding the ADA
>>> and suits
>>> against air carriers for violations available for quick consult?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James W. Weisberg, Esq.
>>>
>>> Law Office of J. William Weisberg
>>>
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