[blindlaw] Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008

John joramsey at cox.net
Tue Jan 6 01:53:17 UTC 2009


And how do you propose that we eliminate this need. It is somewhat analogous
to the need to warn unsuspecting people that they are underneath of a window
cleaning scaffold. This is probably a terrible analogy but it is very
similar. It is not that blind people that are hazardous, but in my case for
example, if I did not use my cane, I might cause all kinds of accidents. It
is not that we are some kind of hazard, it is just that blind people who
tend to forget to realize or blatantly ignore their limitations cause
problems for those of us who do take the necessary precautions to protect
ourselves and others.
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., Esq.

Gainesville, FL 32609

Phone: (352) 505-6642



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Interesting; at bottom line, blind people are required to warn the public of

their presence.  Of course I know I'm being slightly stretchy here, but 
shouldn't the goal be to eliminate this need?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John " <joramsey at cox.net>
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> Chuck,
> Believe it or not, I have had several people fall over my cane because
> they
> walk backward while chatting with friends and the like. I have no idea 
> what
> the liability would be if you were acting as the reasonable blind person
> would act. However,  I can almost guarantee you that if you were 
> practicing
> some form of martial arts  navigation you are going to be liable if 
> someone
> is injured because you walked into them and the like.
> Take care,
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., Esq.
>
> Gainesville, FL 32609
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:56 PM
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> Subject: Re: 
> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 
> 2008
>
>
> This is totally hypothetical but I have always wondered about the
> potential
> liability if someone is injured when they trip and fall over my cane when
> they are not paying attention. I realize its far-fetched but many law 
> suits
> are far-fetched.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "KEITH VICK " <keith-vick at msn.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List " <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>; "Mark
> BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw]
> Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>
>
>> Hi List Members, I believe that New York has a statute that disallows 
>> a claim of negligence based on failure to use a cane. This may be the 
>> case in other states. Also, as someone who has had the privilege of 
>> training in
>
>> aikido and brazilian jiu jitsu I find the concept of martial arts
>> training
>
>> as a recognized adaptive method rather amusing and highly 
>> speculative. However, I do admit that the training has helped me 
>> adjust to my progressively worsening vision mostly because the arts 
>> trains one to deal with unexpected movements against ones body - a 
>> rather common occurrence in the subways of New York city. Warmest 
>> regards, Keith Vick
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark BurningHawk
>> Sent: 1/4/2009 11:26:01 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 
>> Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008 I am 
>> not sure of a way in which a blind person using skills learned via a 
>> certain type of training could injure another person.  I am a bit 
>> disturbed to hear that there's a different "reasonable standard," for 
>> persons and blind persons, but other than that, I think my original 
>> question has been answered, and I really didn't mean to stir up any 
>> controversy over mobility
>> methods.
>>
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