[blindlaw] Textbooks for disabled, Particularly College Students

Mon Sep 7 22:37:34 UTC 2009

Chuck:

While I agree with completely and this has been NFB's position, we've 
already lost the battle on this one in that courts have ruled that the 
ADA *requires* colleges to provide textbooks. Gets Big Rehab off the 
hook, dontchya know!

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Textbooks for disabled, Particularly College 
Students

Actually, you further illustrate my point in that it really doesn't make 
any
difference whether the student learns to take responsibility working 
with
the publishers electronically or otherwise. The colleges shouldn't be 
doing
this for students as it fosters dependence and enables them. Sighted
students don't have anyone obtaining their materials for them and 
neither
should blind students. Officially, I would hope that NFB doesn't support
these processes.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Textbooks for disabled, Particularly College
Students

>I can see your point to an extent, Chuck.  While I agree for the need 
>to
> lead an independent life through education into the workforce, the 
> fact of
> the matter is that we are in a different time.  So many things are
> electronically based, whether it be for the disabled or not.  As we 
> all
> know
> in the legal field, in the past few years there has been a 
> considerable
> push
> to go paperless in the court system and firms.
>
> I don't believe that making this service available will necessarily 
> make
> an
> individual less independent.  I think this service is catching up to 
> the
> way
> society as a whole has gone...electronic.  When I studied to become a
> paralegal, I learned to shepherdize with books.  That is now really 
> almost
> non-existent.  I'm thankful for being able to do that electronically 
> now
> because of my loss of sight.
>
> Sometimes I think I may think a bit differently than those who have 
> had
> vision impairments for most of their lives because I still view things
> predominately from a sighted person's perspective.
>
> But where you are correct is that individuals, disabled or not, should 
> be
> able to also use the old way in case the electronic way is 
> unavailable.
> But, as we know, we all adapt to what is necessary.
>
> It was great reading your comments on this.
>
> William
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:43 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Textbooks for disabled, Particularly College
> Students
>
> While this sounds good on the surface a drawback to this is that 
> disabled
> students are losing their choices to be independent by having to 
> register
> as
>
> being disabled and allowing the college to assume responsibility for
> producing and locating textbooks. I realize I'm dating myself here but 
> I
> learned many valuable skills by having to procure and arrangement for 
> use
> of
>
> text materials in an available format. These skills included the
> supervision
>
> of personnel (readers) a valuable skill transferable to the real work 
> of
> employment where supervision of staff is necessary, procuring 
> materials in
> a
>
> timely manner a transferable skill of meeting deadlines and insuring 
> that
> materials would be available. and an ability to be self-reliant 
> learning
> to
> find and create available resources and development of increased 
> problem
> solving skills. Unfortunately, too many disabled students blind or
> otherwise
>
> lack these skills today and as a result are ill equipped to adequately
> compete in the real world of employment when programs such disabled
> services
>
> do not exist in the real world. In many cases the development and use 
> of
> such systems prevent students from addressing individual needs with
> faculty
> members as they would have to do when they are on their own in an
> employment
>
> setting.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:42 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Textbooks for disabled, Particularly College 
> Students
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From
>>>
> <http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/08/28/access>http://www.insidehighe
> red.com/news/2009/08/28/access
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Textbooks for the Disabled
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>August 28, 2009
>>>
>>>The Association of American Publishers and the University of Georgia 
>>>this
>>>week unveiled an electronic database aimed at making it easier for 
>>>blind,
>>>dyslexic and otherwise impaired college students to get specialized
>>>textbooks in time for classes.
>>>
>>>The database, called <http://www.accesstext.org/>AccessText, is 
>>>designed
>>>to centralize the process by which electronic versions of textbooks 
>>>are
>>>requested by colleges and supplied by publishers. Experts say it will
>>>allow disabled students to get their textbooks more efficiently, help
>>>colleges save money and avoid lawsuits, and protect publishers'
>>>copyrights.
>>>
>>>For students whose disabilities prevent them from using traditional
>>>texts,
>
>>>the normally straightforward task of acquiring books for their 
>>>courses
>>>can
>
>>>be tedious and frustrating. Federal law requires that colleges and
>>>universities provide disabled students equal access to educational
>>>materials, but this is often easier said than done. College officials
>>>have
>
>>>to track down and contact the publisher of every textbook that each 
>>>of
>>>its
>
>>>disabled students buys and request an electronic copy. If such a copy
>>>exists -- the likelihood shrinks the older the book and the smaller 
>>>the
>>>publisher -- college officials still have to convert the file to a 
>>>format
>>>that can be read by whatever reading aid the student uses. If not, 
>>>the
>>>college has to wait, sometimes weeks, to obtain permission to scan 
>>>the
>>>book and create its own electronic version.
>>>
>>>Once a college has an electronic copy, converting to a readable 
>>>format
>>>can
>
>>>be another complex process, says Sean Keegan, associate director of
>>>assistive technology at Stanford University. Math and science texts 
>>>often
>>>arrive as scanned pages, and cannot always be easily read by the
>>>character-recognition software the university uses to turn them into
>>>standard electronic files, Keegan says. "That can take a longer 
>>>amount of
>>>time to process that material internally and turn it around and give 
>>>that
>>>to the student efficiently," he says.
>>>
>>>Meanwhile, delays in the process can make it impossible for disabled
>>>students to prepare for and participate in classes. "Students need to
>>>have
>
>>>a book in time so they can do the assigned reading and study for 
>>>tests
>>>and
>
>>>papers," says Gaeir Dietrich, interim director of high-tech training 
>>>for
>>>the California Community Colleges system. "So if the book doesn't 
>>>come
>>>until the term has been in session for three or four weeks, that puts
>>>that
>
>>>student very far behind." Some students have sued colleges over such
>>>delays, she says.
>>>
>>>AccessText aims to mitigate these woes by streamlining the request 
>>>and
>>>delivery process, says Ed McCoyd, executive director for 
>>>accessibility
>>>affairs at AAP.
>>>
>>>"There's a lot of transactional friction taking place currently," 
>>>says
>>>McCoyd. "What AccessText is trying to do is take some of that out of 
>>>the
>>>transaction by having parties agree to streamlined rules up front."
>>>
>>>Having colleges submit requests using the AccessText portal should
>>>eliminate the need for the publishers to require endless paperwork 
>>>with
>>>each request to protect its copyrights, McCoyd says. Under the 
>>>system,
>>>the
>
>>>copyright protection agreements can be handled once, during 
>>>registration,
>>>and the requester's bona fides can be verified by a log-in.
>>>
>>>Currently, colleges that get tired of waiting for publishers to 
>>>process
>>>the paperwork and procure an electronic copy of a text sometimes just
>>>scan
>
>>>a text themselves to try to satisfy the needs of disabled students in 
>>>a
>>>timely fashion, says Dietrich.
>>>
>>>AccessText is also set up to eliminate the need for different 
>>>colleges to
>>>convert the same text to a readable format once it is acquired. 
>>>Currently
>>>"numerous schools could be doing the exact same thing, converting the
>>>same
>
>>>text," says Bruce Hildebrand, executive director for higher education 
>>>at
>>>the publishers' association. Under the new system, "if one school has
>>>already spent the time and the money to convert a file to a format, 
>>>they
>>>could advise the AccessText network, which could then make the info
>>>available that it was still available in that format, and that school
>>>could share it with another school" -- thereby sparing those colleges 
>>>the
>>>time and resources it would have used to convert the file themselves, 
>>>he
>>>says.
>>>
>>>Eight major publishing houses paid a total of just under $1 million 
>>>to
>>>develop the AccessText network and maintain it through its beta 
>>>phase,
>>>which will end next July. From then on, it will sustain itself by 
>>>billing
>>>member colleges between $375 and $500 annually, depending on size.
>>>
>>>Dietrich notes that community colleges might not benefit from the
>>>AccessText network as much as other institutions, since "we have a 
>>>lot
>>>more vocational classes and basic-skills classes, and a lot of those
>>>books
>
>>>don't come through those big publishers, they come through 
>>>specialized
>>>publishers," she says. "It doesn't solve that part of the problem for
>>>us."
>>>
>>>The network includes 92 percent of all college textbook publishers 
>>>and is
>>>recruiting even more, according to AAP officials.
>>
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