[blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services

Steve P. Deeley stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
Sun Apr 25 23:03:28 UTC 2010


Are you a fool or what????  You are falsifying an address for somewhere 
where you don't reside!
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's 
policy concerning out of state services


> How or in what way is this being dishonest? Can you please email me off
> list, and tell me what my options are? My email adress is
> joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
> Thanks RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
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> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 5:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's
> policy concerning out of state services
>
>
>>I agree with Steve. This is blatantly dishonest and could actually result
>>in
>> the client ending up with no services at all.
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 4:44 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and 
>> DBS's
>> policy concerning out of state services
>>
>>
>> That is dishonest!
>>
>> Steve
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tim Shaw" <timandvickie at hotmail.com>
>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and
>> DBS's
>> policy concerning out of state services
>>
>>
>>>
>>> As a person working for a similar agency will telly ou they will
>>> infact
>>> deny you sending you to the lousiana center unless you can come up with
>>> specific reason that you need to attend that center of their own. For
>>> example fi you were going to go into a specific vocational field and the
>>> other center had a program geared toward it while theirs did not. That 
>>> is
>>> what the statement on out of state triaining is saying. If you can not
>>> show that there is a training aspect that will be provided their that 
>>> you
>>> need that is not offered in state then they will only support the 
>>> cheaper
>>> in state training. My advice would be to find someone you know that 
>>> lives
>>> in lousiana and use their address to oopen a case there and get the
>>> lousiana agency to send yu to the center. That would be much less of a
>>> head ache
>>>
>>>> From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:52:18 -0400
>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and
>>>> DBS's
>>>> policy concerning out of state services
>>>>
>>>> Here's the attachment she sent. Its been scanned as well. I'd like
>>>> your
>>>> feed back. RJ
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: Howard-Davis, Bobbie
>>>> To: RJ Sandefur
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:51 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy
>>>> concerning out of state services
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Sandefur, please accept my condolence to you on the lost of your
>>>> mother.
>>>>
>>>> If you need some adjustment to blindness training at this time, we
>>>> can
>>>> reopen your file and refer you the Lighthouse for the Blind of the Palm
>>>> Beaches at this time for training.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am also attaching a copy the Division's policy on Informed Choice
>>>> to
>>>> help you in making your decision about training.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know you are aware of the DBS policy on Out-State-Services, because
>>>> you
>>>> attached it to your e-mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In order to assist you with training services, please call our office
>>>> and
>>>> ask to have your case reopen for services at 561-681-2448 or
>>>> 866-225-0794.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bobbie Howard-Davis
>>>>
>>>> District Administrator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> -----------
>>>> From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:09 AM
>>>> To: Howard-Davis, Bobbie
>>>> Subject: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy
>>>> concerning out of state services
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mrs. Davis, My name is Robert Sandefur, I have some questions
>>>> for
>>>> you concerning my right to informed choice, and the DBS policy
>>>> concerning
>>
>>>> out of state services. In 1999, I attended the rehabilitation center,
>>>> which is now the orientation and adjustment center, and did not find 
>>>> the
>>>> experience to be a pleasant one. In 2004, I closed my case with DBS, 
>>>> due
>>>> to a disagreement with my councilor at the time. However, due to having
>>>> recently lost my mother, and other factors, I believe I am in need of
>>>> some adjustment to blindness training, and this training should be
>>>> conducted at the Louisiana center for the blind. (LCB) I was looking at
>>>> the DBS web sight and came across the policy concerning out of state
>>>> services:
>>>> Out of State Services
>>>> DIVISION POLICY 6.14
>>>>
>>>> SUBJECT
>>>> Out of State Services
>>>>
>>>> EFFECTIVE DATE
>>>> July 9, 2003
>>>>
>>>> REVISION DATE
>>>> February 14, 2008
>>>>
>>>> EXPIRATION DATE
>>>> This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed.
>>>>
>>>> PURPOSE
>>>>
>>>> To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services.
>>>>
>>>> AUTHORITY
>>>> 34 CFR 361.50(b)
>>>>
>>>> POLICY
>>>> The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference
>>>> for
>>>> in-State services, provided that the preference does not effectively
>>>> deny
>>
>>>> an individual a necessary service. If the individual chooses an
>>>> out-of-State service at a higher cost than an in-State service, and
>>>> either service would meet the individual's rehabilitation needs, the
>>>> designated State unit is not responsible for those costs in excess of
>>>> the
>>
>>>> cost of the in-State service. However, if the out-of-state services
>>>> provides a unique service to meet the individual's rehabilitation plan,
>>>> the Bureau Chief should be contacted to approve or disapproval such a
>>>> service.
>>>>
>>>> Original signed by Michael Elliott, Bureau Chief, February 14, 2008
>>>> But
>>>> compare this with a directive from RSA. policy as stated in 2001 in RSA
>>>> PD-01-03:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> POLICY STATEMENT: The State VR program must provide applicants and
>>>> individuals eligible for VR services with opportunities to exercise
>>>> informed choice throughout the VR process, including making decisions
>>>> about the employment goal, VR services, service providers, settings
>>>> for employment and service provision, and methods for procuring
>>>> services. To enable an individual to make such decisions, the State
>>>> VR agency must provide information, support and assistance needed by
>>>> the individual. The VR agency has the responsibility to implement
>>>> policies, procedures, and practices, and to develop resources that
>>>> enable applicants and individuals eligible for VR services to
>>>> exercise informed choice throughout the entire VR process; these
>>>> policies, procedures, and practices must be consistent with Federal
>>>> statutory and regulatory requirements. Mrs. Davis, Does this mean,
>>>> that DBS can tell me, "RJ, we're denying your request to attend LCB,
>>>> due to causts?" I do realize I'd have to open a new case with DBS,
>>>> since the previous one was closed in 2004. For your convience, I've
>>>> attached a document explaining what LCB is, although I'm shure you
>>>> know who they are. Mrs. Davis, This is only an inquiry, and I wish to
>>>> get my facts so that I'll be able to have enough information in order
>>>> to make an informed choice as to where to go from here. I did study
>>>> with a Seminary, and obtain my master of theology, in 2006, and I was
>>>> licensed by my church to preach in 2005. It was tough loosing Mom,
>>>> and I know, she'd want me to continue doing what I believe the Lord
>>>> has called me to do. However, How am I going to be an effective
>>>> minister, if I don't have the blindness training, needed to sirvive?
>>>> Another concern I have, is I have learned some ministers start out as
>>>> by-vocational. In 2004, until now,
>>> I didn't see that aspect of it. I have a batchors degree in criminal
>>> justice. Another not so wise disision on my part. Mrs. Davis, I look
>>> forward to your answer. Sencerly, Robert Sandefur
>>>
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