[blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind

Mon Aug 9 19:26:16 UTC 2010

Ok, you guys are talking way over my head.  I've been following this 
discussion closely.  My credit union, there online banking services, use a 
verbal code link.  I'm able to click on a link for a verbal code and fill in 
the box.  after several discussions with them, the company running the 
online banking service was able to create this link which gives you a verbal 
code.  Is this the problem with LinkedIn?

Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind

> Do the new laws being discussed in Congress address this as an 
> accessibility
> issue?  I went to the Home Depot website and was not able to complete my
> order after spending 30 minutes or so shopping and creating an account.
> They are also presenting some garbled text that I could not get past, even
> with a handheld CCTV.  They did not even offer a way to have the text read
> out loud.
>
> I expect that this will become more and more popular among the developers
> and more and more of a problem for blind people.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>
>
>>I have visited sites where that form of question was used and it was
>>totally accessible for screen reader users. There are also other sites
>>where the captcha code is shown and it can be selected and copied and
>>pasted in to the form field to be entered.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Chris Danielsen" <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>>
>>
>>> Recently I heard of a company, Gogo In Flight, that solved the
>>> inaccessible
>>> visual captcha problem with logic questions instead of an audio captcha.
>>> These were very simple questions that would require a human response,
>>> such
>>> as: If today is Tuesday, what was yesterday? Or: Of the numbers 3, 9, 5,
>>> 14,
>>> 7, which is the largest? Or: Of cow, rose, or horse, which is not an
>>> animal?
>>> Of course I guess this approach might not work for people with some 
>>> forms
>>> of
>>> intellectual or developmental disability. So it's possible that there is
>>> no
>>> perfect captcha solution. But that one at least addresses the concerns 
>>> of
>>> both blind and deaf users, or of deaf-blind ones.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:44 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>>>
>>> Hello Charles and everyone,
>>>
>>> And what if this person is both blind and deaf? The folks who develop
>>> these
>>> CAPTCHA solving solutions need to consider this population too.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>>>
>>>
>>> as long as there are alternatives to solve the captcha such as audio
>>> captcha
>>> or use of other services such as Solona or Web Vizum they are not
>>> breaking
>>> the law. As blind professionals we need to look toward using 
>>> alternatives
>>> to
>>> solve these types of problems and the alternatives are out there for us
>>> to
>>> use.
>>> Chuck
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>>>
>>>
>>>> Derek,
>>>>
>>>> Interesting that they even make it a random test.  There are other 
>>>> sites
>>>> that do this type of thing and it is not fair appropriate for any of
>>>> them
>>>> to do so.  This needs to change, for the sake of all blind people.
>>>>
>>>> Are they breaking the law by doing this test?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:13 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The 
>>>> Blind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If you are wondering why sometimes LinkedIn prompts you with a captcha
>>>>> and
>>>>> sometimes not, you may want to read on:
>>>>>
>>>>> QUOTE
>>>>>
>>>>> Security Verification Prompts
>>>>> Why am I sometimes prompted for my password or to type in characters
>>>>> from
>>>>> an
>>>>> image shown on the security verification screen?
>>>>>
>>>>> LinkedIn is committed to protecting the privacy and security of our
>>>>> members'
>>>>> information and maintaining the mutual trust we share with our
>>>>> community.
>>>>>
>>>>> As part of our proactive efforts to keep our members and community 
>>>>> safe
>>>>> from
>>>>> real and perceived threats, we vigorously monitor site activity. At
>>>>> various
>>>>> points in the LinkedIn site, you may be prompted to re-enter your
>>>>> password
>>>>> or you may be asked to type in distorted letters or numbers presented
>>>>> in
>>>>> a
>>>>> security challenge. CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing test 
>>>>> to
>>>>> tell
>>>>> Computers and Humans Apart) is a security method commonly used by
>>>>> websites.
>>>>> This feature helps to distinguish human attempts to access the site
>>>>> from
>>>>> automatic, computer-generated attempts to access the site, a technique
>>>>> typically used by spammers.
>>>>>
>>>>> At various times, you could experience an increase in CAPTCHA prompts.
>>>>> To
>>>>> reduce the number of times you see the security challenge during the
>>>>> day,
>>>>> you might consider the following actions:
>>>>>
>>>>>   1. Enable cookies on your browser. (See your browser's help 
>>>>> section.)
>>>>>   2. Ensure that you don't sign out each time you use LinkedIn during
>>>>> the
>>>>> day. We will remember your last login for a period of time which will
>>>>> allow
>>>>> you to bypass the login sequence (including the CAPTCHA prompt). We do
>>>>> recommend that you sign out at the end of each day.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have difficulty distinguishing a particular CAPTCHA image, you
>>>>> can
>>>>> click on the "Try a different image" link. Audio CAPTCHA is also
>>>>> available
>>>>> by clicking the audio icon found on the "Security Verification" page.
>>>>> Source:
>>>>>
>>> http://linkedin.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linkedin.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_
>>>>> faqid=3065
>>>>>
>>>>> The catch is, at least for me, that I cannot find the audio icon. 
>>>>> This
>>>>> means I cannot accesss my account - even with a password.  This issue
>>>>> will
>>>>> persist - especially for the totally blind - until it is addressed by
>>>>> LinkedIn.
>>>>>
>>>>> END QUOTE
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are on Twitter, I encourage you to pressure @LinkedIn to get
>>>>> their
>>>>> act together. See: http://ow.ly/2lKvs & http://ow.ly/2lKxU
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Derek
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 12:37 PM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
>>>>> Blind
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Chris and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>    Upon reading the posts about this I checked for myself and was
>>>>> automatically logged in. Linked-In worked as it always does.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Chris Danielsen" <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
>>>>> Blind
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if this is only a problem with new accounts or only happens
>>>>> sometimes? Someone else on this list raised this issue last week but I
>>>>> was
>>>>> able to log into my own account with no problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:34 AM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
>>>>> Blind
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you hit Control to silence JAWS?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, the advantages of an external synth!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I received an invitation to connect to colleagues from the past
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> www.LinkedIn.com.  I have used LinkedIn in the past and been able to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> around with only a few problems.  It appears that they have added
>>>>>> real-time verification to the login process on top of the normal
>>>>>> username
>>>>>> and password.  They do offer the ability to have the image that they
>>>>>> present for real[-time verification, but the text is spoken at the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> time that JAWS announces the popup window.  This seems to me to be a
>>>>>> barrier and was not there the last time that I logged in to my
>>>>>> account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone else on here use LinkedIn?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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