[blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind

Wed Aug 11 23:04:22 UTC 2010

Interestingly enough, I tried this yesterday and instead of the WP comeing up with the same error you are referencing, The audio file played with in a format that was easy to hear.

--- On Wed, 8/11/10, Chris Danielsen <cdanielsen8 at aol.com> wrote:

> From: Chris Danielsen <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 6:46 PM
> I finally encountered the LinkedIn
> barrier. I clicked on the audio link, and
> Windows Media Player opened, but I got an error message
> saying that Windows
> Media Player could not play the file. The error message
> said that either the
> file or the codec with which it was compressed were not
> supported. Did
> anyone else have this problem? This was on my work PC; on
> my Netbook I am
> able to log in to the service automatically, because I
> guess at some point I
> must have allowed LinkedIn to "remember" me.
> 
> Chris
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:46 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible
> To The Blind
> 
> I just listen to it a couple of times and tap the control
> key after getting
> the link.  I can usually silence window eyes. 
> Maybe need to repeat it a
> couple of times.
> 
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible
> To The Blind
> 
> 
> > My problem on LinkedIn is similar to what you have set
> up not.  There is a
> > jumbled string that can be read by clicking on a link,
> but JAWS announces
> > the new window opening at the same time, which makes
> the reading of the
> > string a problem either way.
> >
> > Basically, my point is that this sets up a barrier to
> those who do not 
> > know
> > how to work around screen readers talking at the same
> time or know about 
> > and
> > using a third party tool to read the string.  In
> the case of Home Depot, I
> > encountered a screen where there was no link to have
> the string read out
> > loud.  This is a bigger barrier.
> >
> > These barriers are going to get worse and become
> standard operating
> > procedure for web developers unless something is done
> to cause change in
> > this area.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Ladis
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 2:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made
> Inaccessible To The Blind
> >
> >
> >> Ok, you guys are talking way over my head. 
> I've been following this
> >> discussion closely.  My credit union, there
> online banking services, use 
> >> a
> >> verbal code link.  I'm able to click on a
> link for a verbal code and fill
> >> in
> >> the box.  after several discussions with
> them, the company running the
> >> online banking service was able to create this
> link which gives you a
> >> verbal
> >> code.  Is this the problem with LinkedIn?
> >>
> >> Steve
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:54 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made
> Inaccessible To The Blind
> >>
> >>
> >>> Do the new laws being discussed in Congress
> address this as an
> >>> accessibility
> >>> issue?  I went to the Home Depot website
> and was not able to complete my
> >>> order after spending 30 minutes or so shopping
> and creating an account.
> >>> They are also presenting some garbled text
> that I could not get past,
> >>> even
> >>> with a handheld CCTV.  They did not even
> offer a way to have the text
> >>> read
> >>> out loud.
> >>>
> >>> I expect that this will become more and more
> popular among the 
> >>> developers
> >>> and more and more of a problem for blind
> people.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Tom
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:57 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made
> Inaccessible To The Blind
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I have visited sites where that form of
> question was used and it was
> >>>>totally accessible for screen reader users.
> There are also other sites
> >>>>where the captcha code is shown and it can
> be selected and copied and
> >>>>pasted in to the form field to be entered.
> >>>> Chuck
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>> From: "Chris Danielsen" <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
> >>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'"
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:39 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been
> Made Inaccessible To The 
> >>>> Blind
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Recently I heard of a company, Gogo In
> Flight, that solved the
> >>>>> inaccessible
> >>>>> visual captcha problem with logic
> questions instead of an audio
> >>>>> captcha.
> >>>>> These were very simple questions that
> would require a human response,
> >>>>> such
> >>>>> as: If today is Tuesday, what was
> yesterday? Or: Of the numbers 3, 9,
> >>>>> 5,
> >>>>> 14,
> >>>>> 7, which is the largest? Or: Of cow,
> rose, or horse, which is not an
> >>>>> animal?
> >>>>> Of course I guess this approach might
> not work for people with some
> >>>>> forms
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> intellectual or developmental
> disability. So it's possible that there
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> no
> >>>>> perfect captcha solution. But that one
> at least addresses the concerns
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> both blind and deaf users, or of
> deaf-blind ones.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chris
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>> On
> >>>>> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:44 PM
> >>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has
> Been Made Inaccessible To The
> >>>>> Blind
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Charles and everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And what if this person is both blind
> and deaf? The folks who develop
> >>>>> these
> >>>>> CAPTCHA solving solutions need to
> consider this population too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter Donahue
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List"
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:17 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has
> Been Made Inaccessible To The
> >>>>> Blind
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> as long as there are alternatives to
> solve the captcha such as audio
> >>>>> captcha
> >>>>> or use of other services such as
> Solona or Web Vizum they are not
> >>>>> breaking
> >>>>> the law. As blind professionals we
> need to look toward using
> >>>>> alternatives
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> solve these types of problems and the
> alternatives are out there for 
> >>>>> us
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> use.
> >>>>> Chuck
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> >>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List"
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:54 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has
> Been Made Inaccessible To The
> >>>>> Blind
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Derek,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Interesting that they even make it
> a random test.  There are other
> >>>>>> sites
> >>>>>> that do this type of thing and it
> is not fair appropriate for any of
> >>>>>> them
> >>>>>> to do so.  This needs to
> change, for the sake of all blind people.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are they breaking the law by doing
> this test?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>> From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing
> List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:13
> AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn
> Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
> >>>>>> Blind
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you are wondering why
> sometimes LinkedIn prompts you with a
> >>>>>>> captcha
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> sometimes not, you may want to
> read on:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> QUOTE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Security Verification Prompts
> >>>>>>> Why am I sometimes prompted
> for my password or to type in characters
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>> image shown on the security
> verification screen?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> LinkedIn is committed to
> protecting the privacy and security of our
> >>>>>>> members'
> >>>>>>> information and maintaining
> the mutual trust we share with our
> >>>>>>> community.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As part of our proactive
> efforts to keep our members and community
> >>>>>>> safe
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>> real and perceived threats, we
> vigorously monitor site activity. At
> >>>>>>> various
> >>>>>>> points in the LinkedIn site,
> you may be prompted to re-enter your
> >>>>>>> password
> >>>>>>> or you may be asked to type in
> distorted letters or numbers 
> >>>>>>> presented
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> security challenge. CAPTCHA
> (Completely Automated Public Turing test
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> tell
> >>>>>>> Computers and Humans Apart) is
> a security method commonly used by
> >>>>>>> websites.
> >>>>>>> This feature helps to
> distinguish human attempts to access the site
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>> automatic, computer-generated
> attempts to access the site, a
> >>>>>>> technique
> >>>>>>> typically used by spammers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> At various times, you could
> experience an increase in CAPTCHA
> >>>>>>> prompts.
> >>>>>>> To
> >>>>>>> reduce the number of times you
> see the security challenge during the
> >>>>>>> day,
> >>>>>>> you might consider the
> following actions:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   1. Enable
> cookies on your browser. (See your browser's help
> >>>>>>> section.)
> >>>>>>>   2. Ensure
> that you don't sign out each time you use LinkedIn 
> >>>>>>> during
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> day. We will remember your
> last login for a period of time which 
> >>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>> allow
> >>>>>>> you to bypass the login
> sequence (including the CAPTCHA prompt). We
> >>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>> recommend that you sign out at
> the end of each day.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you have difficulty
> distinguishing a particular CAPTCHA image, 
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>> click on the "Try a different
> image" link. Audio CAPTCHA is also
> >>>>>>> available
> >>>>>>> by clicking the audio icon
> found on the "Security Verification" 
> >>>>>>> page.
> >>>>>>> Source:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://linkedin.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linkedin.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_
> >>>>>>> faqid=3065
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The catch is, at least for me,
> that I cannot find the audio icon.
> >>>>>>> This
> >>>>>>> means I cannot accesss my
> account - even with a password.  This 
> >>>>>>> issue
> >>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>> persist - especially for the
> totally blind - until it is addressed 
> >>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>> LinkedIn.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> END QUOTE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you are on Twitter, I
> encourage you to pressure @LinkedIn to get
> >>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>> act together. See: http://ow.ly/2lKvs & http://ow.ly/2lKxU
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>> Derek
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>>> On
> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010
> 12:37 PM
> >>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing
> List
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw]
> LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
> >>>>>>> Blind
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello Chris and everyone,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    Upon reading the
> posts about this I checked for myself and was
> >>>>>>> automatically logged in.
> Linked-In worked as it always does.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Peter Donahue
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Chris Danielsen" <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing
> List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05,
> 2010 5:13 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw]
> LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
> >>>>>>> Blind
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I wonder if this is only a
> problem with new accounts or only happens
> >>>>>>> sometimes? Someone else on
> this list raised this issue last week but
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>> able to log into my own
> account with no problem.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>>> On
> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05,
> 2010 11:34 AM
> >>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing
> List
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw]
> LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
> >>>>>>> Blind
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Can you hit Control to silence
> JAWS?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ah, the advantages of an
> external synth!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing
> List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05,
> 2010 8:09 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] LinkedIn
> Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello All,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I received an invitation
> to connect to colleagues from the past
> >>>>>>>> through
> >>>>>>>> www.LinkedIn.com.  I
> have used LinkedIn in the past and been able 
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>> around with only a few
> problems.  It appears that they have added
> >>>>>>>> real-time verification to
> the login process on top of the normal
> >>>>>>>> username
> >>>>>>>> and password.  They
> do offer the ability to have the image that 
> >>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>> present for real[-time
> verification, but the text is spoken at the
> >>>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>>> time that JAWS announces
> the popup window.  This seems to me to be 
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> barrier and was not there
> the last time that I logged in to my
> >>>>>>>> account.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Does anyone else on here
> use LinkedIn?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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