[blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind

Tom Ladis tom at tomladis.com
Fri Aug 13 02:37:22 UTC 2010 

I was initially trying to see if anybody had any success as an advocate with 
this issue.    I guess that I have the answer.  Thanks for your thoughts.  I 
will quit "whining" about this issue right now.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind


> Hi Tom.
>
> I cannot speak for Chuck....but you don't seem to be paying attention to
> what people are saying...or at least that's how it appears through your
> comments which show sarcasm.  Way before these comments people made
> suggestions for how you could get around this issue and suggested you
> contact the website owners.
>
> It does not seem you have done this and as stated earlier, you keep saying
> the same thing.  At some point, the same comments will recycle themselves.
>
> My question is...What do you want the group to tell you about this issue
> you're having?  What steps do you want to be made aware of to resolve the
> issue you're having with the site?  What else can we do to assist you?  I
> ask this because obviously some of us are not getting exactly what you're
> asking since you repeatedly ask the same questions.
>
> Hope this doesn't come off as rude, but there seems to be a disconnect
> somewhere.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom Ladis
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:31 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>
> Interesting.  I wish that you had shared this before talking about
> "whiners", but thanks for the reminder that I need to be more independent.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>
>
> I have used sites where I have notified the administrator and it has been
> resolved. Interestingly, in contacting many sites I found that the site
> administrators were not aware of the barriers that captchas presented. 
> When
> they were made aware of it in many cases they decided not to use it. They
> were using it because they were told that they should as part of their web
> packages that were purchased by their organizations and nothing was said
> about any difficulties with it. My point about being a whiner is that we
> need to effectively pick and choose our battlefields and when we don't 
> take
> any responsibility ourselves to try to mitigate issues it does not present
> well.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "E.J. Zufelt" <lists at zufelt.ca>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>
>
> Good thing I'm not someone with a multiple disability, say blindness and
> cognitive or learning.  I wouldn't want to seem like a whiner.
>
> But seriously, organizations who choose to implement CAPTCHAs need to
> provide options for individuals who are not able to solve the CAPTCHA with 
> a
> reasonable degree of ease.
>
> In the Drupal community CAPTCHAs are used on the groups pages for 
> submitting
> posts (http://groups.drupal.org).  The community has a policy on CAPTCHAs
>
> . We use a form of spam protection called Mollom - you should be aware of
> their Terms of service. If you are visually impaired please contact the 
> site
> maintainers and we will change your account so you don't have to interact
> with Mollom.
>
> This is not a perfect solution, the policy is on a page that is not
> particularly easy to find, and it could be better worded.  But, we are
> moving in the correct direction.  The reasoning for using a CAPTCHA is 
> that
> if a user is subscribed to a group the new messages and comments are sent 
> to
> their e-mail inbox immediately.  This means that any SPAM that gets 
> through
> to the site is sent out to many users, even if it is later identified and
> removed from the site.
>
> HTH,
>
> Everett Zufelt
> http://zufelt.ca
>
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>
> On 2010-08-12, at 10:11 AM, <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Its much better to pick and choose worthwhile battles rather than
>> insulting ourselves as blind people by making ourselves appear to be
>> helpless and incompetent. Its for us as a community to deal with real
>> issues and stop whining.
>> chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I do not mean any offense at all, but it seems that people are willing 
>>> to
>
>>> accept things like this as ok even though they are unnecessarily
>>> complicated and  barriers, and they add to the frustrations of using the
>>> internet when blind.  If they are going to present barriers then they
>>> should have to present  an easy way around the barriers for human
>>> operators but still make it difficult for automated systems.
>>>
>>> The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and if we are willing to accept these
>>> things then we will be presented with more and more barriers as security
>>> becomes more and more of a concern.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve P. Deeley"
>>> <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:46 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>>>
>>>
>>>> I just listen to it a couple of times and tap the control key after
>>>> getting
>>>> the link.  I can usually silence window eyes.  Maybe need to repeat it 
>>>> a
>>>> couple of times.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The 
>>>> Blind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My problem on LinkedIn is similar to what you have set up not.  There
>>>>> is a
>>>>> jumbled string that can be read by clicking on a link, but JAWS
>>>>> announces
>>>>> the new window opening at the same time, which makes the reading of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> string a problem either way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, my point is that this sets up a barrier to those who do not
>>>>> know
>>>>> how to work around screen readers talking at the same time or know
>>>>> about
>>>>> and
>>>>> using a third party tool to read the string.  In the case of Home
>>>>> Depot, I
>>>>> encountered a screen where there was no link to have the string read
>>>>> out
>>>>> loud.  This is a bigger barrier.
>>>>>
>>>>> These barriers are going to get worse and become standard operating
>>>>> procedure for web developers unless something is done to cause change
>>>>> in
>>>>> this area.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Tom Ladis
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve P. Deeley"
>>>>> <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 2:26 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
>>>>> Blind
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, you guys are talking way over my head.  I've been following this
>>>>>> discussion closely.  My credit union, there online banking services,
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> verbal code link.  I'm able to click on a link for a verbal code and
>>>>>> fill
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the box.  after several discussions with them, the company running 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> online banking service was able to create this link which gives you a
>>>>>> verbal
>>>>>> code.  Is this the problem with LinkedIn?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:54 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do the new laws being discussed in Congress address this as an
>>>>>>> accessibility
>>>>>>> issue?  I went to the Home Depot website and was not able to 
>>>>>>> complete
>
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> order after spending 30 minutes or so shopping and creating an
>>>>>>> account.
>>>>>>> They are also presenting some garbled text that I could not get 
>>>>>>> past,
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> with a handheld CCTV.  They did not even offer a way to have the 
>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>> out loud.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I expect that this will become more and more popular among the
>>>>>>> developers
>>>>>>> and more and more of a problem for blind people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:57 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have visited sites where that form of question was used and it 
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> totally accessible for screen reader users. There are also other
>>>>>>>> sites
>>>>>>>> where the captcha code is shown and it can be selected and copied
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> pasted in to the form field to be entered.
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Danielsen"
>>>>>>>> <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:39 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Recently I heard of a company, Gogo In Flight, that solved the
>>>>>>>>> inaccessible
>>>>>>>>> visual captcha problem with logic questions instead of an audio
>>>>>>>>> captcha.
>>>>>>>>> These were very simple questions that would require a human
>>>>>>>>> response,
>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> as: If today is Tuesday, what was yesterday? Or: Of the numbers 3,
>>>>>>>>> 9,
>>>>>>>>> 5,
>>>>>>>>> 14,
>>>>>>>>> 7, which is the largest? Or: Of cow, rose, or horse, which is not
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> animal?
>>>>>>>>> Of course I guess this approach might not work for people with 
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> forms
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> intellectual or developmental disability. So it's possible that
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> perfect captcha solution. But that one at least addresses the
>>>>>>>>> concerns
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> both blind and deaf users, or of deaf-blind ones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:44 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
>>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Charles and everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And what if this person is both blind and deaf? The folks who
>>>>>>>>> develop
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> CAPTCHA solving solutions need to consider this population too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:17 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
>>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> as long as there are alternatives to solve the captcha such as
>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>> captcha
>>>>>>>>> or use of other services such as Solona or Web Vizum they are not
>>>>>>>>> breaking
>>>>>>>>> the law. As blind professionals we need to look toward using
>>>>>>>>> alternatives
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> solve these types of problems and the alternatives are out there
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> use.
>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:54 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
>>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Derek,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that they even make it a random test.  There are 
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> sites
>>>>>>>>>> that do this type of thing and it is not fair appropriate for any
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> to do so.  This needs to change, for the sake of all blind 
>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are they breaking the law by doing this test?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson"
>>>>>>>>>> <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:13 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To 
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you are wondering why sometimes LinkedIn prompts you with a
>>>>>>>>>>> captcha
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes not, you may want to read on:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> QUOTE
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Security Verification Prompts
>>>>>>>>>>> Why am I sometimes prompted for my password or to type in
>>>>>>>>>>> characters
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> image shown on the security verification screen?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn is committed to protecting the privacy and security of
>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> members'
>>>>>>>>>>> information and maintaining the mutual trust we share with our
>>>>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As part of our proactive efforts to keep our members and
>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>> safe
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> real and perceived threats, we vigorously monitor site activity.
>>>>>>>>>>> At
>>>>>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>>>>>> points in the LinkedIn site, you may be prompted to re-enter 
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> password
>>>>>>>>>>> or you may be asked to type in distorted letters or numbers
>>>>>>>>>>> presented
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> security challenge. CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing
>>>>>>>>>>> test
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>>> Computers and Humans Apart) is a security method commonly used 
>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> websites.
>>>>>>>>>>> This feature helps to distinguish human attempts to access the
>>>>>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> automatic, computer-generated attempts to access the site, a
>>>>>>>>>>> technique
>>>>>>>>>>> typically used by spammers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At various times, you could experience an increase in CAPTCHA
>>>>>>>>>>> prompts.
>>>>>>>>>>> To
>>>>>>>>>>> reduce the number of times you see the security challenge during
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> day,
>>>>>>>>>>> you might consider the following actions:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  1. Enable cookies on your browser. (See your browser's help
>>>>>>>>>>> section.)
>>>>>>>>>>>  2. Ensure that you don't sign out each time you use LinkedIn
>>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> day. We will remember your last login for a period of time which
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>>>> you to bypass the login sequence (including the CAPTCHA prompt).
>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>> recommend that you sign out at the end of each day.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you have difficulty distinguishing a particular CAPTCHA 
>>>>>>>>>>> image,
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> click on the "Try a different image" link. Audio CAPTCHA is also
>>>>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>> by clicking the audio icon found on the "Security Verification"
>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>> Source:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
> http://linkedin.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linkedin.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_
>>>>>>>>>>> faqid=3065
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The catch is, at least for me, that I cannot find the audio 
>>>>>>>>>>> icon.
>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>> means I cannot accesss my account - even with a password.  This
>>>>>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> persist - especially for the totally blind - until it is
>>>>>>>>>>> addressed
>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> END QUOTE
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you are on Twitter, I encourage you to pressure @LinkedIn to
>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> act together. See: http://ow.ly/2lKvs & http://ow.ly/2lKxU
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Derek
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 12:37 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Chris and everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Upon reading the posts about this I checked for myself and was
>>>>>>>>>>> automatically logged in. Linked-In worked as it always does.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Danielsen" <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:13 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if this is only a problem with new accounts or only
>>>>>>>>>>> happens
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes? Someone else on this list raised this issue last week
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> able to log into my own account with no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you hit Control to silence JAWS?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, the advantages of an external synth!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:09 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The
>>>>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I received an invitation to connect to colleagues from the past
>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.LinkedIn.com.  I have used LinkedIn in the past and been
>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> around with only a few problems.  It appears that they have
>>>>>>>>>>>> added
>>>>>>>>>>>> real-time verification to the login process on top of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
>>>>>>>>>>>> username
>>>>>>>>>>>> and password.  They do offer the ability to have the image that
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> present for real[-time verification, but the text is spoken at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>> time that JAWS announces the popup window.  This seems to me to
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> barrier and was not there the last time that I logged in to my
>>>>>>>>>>>> account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone else on here use LinkedIn?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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