From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  1 07:11:50 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:11:50 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
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California still does it although it is very rare.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ross Doerr" <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys


> The last I knew, Vermont and North Carolina were the only two states who 
> still permitted that - and it was done through apprenticeship to an 
> admitted attorney.
> But that information is about 10 years old, so it may not apply any 
> longer.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>
>
>> Actually...my great-great grandfather "read" for the bar - in fact, he
>> only had a high school diploma, but became an attorney by internship and
>> very educated by his love of reading.  Going through modern law school,
>> was always jealous that it had at least once been by practice and
>> testing alone!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
>> Sent: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010 6:52 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>
>> Out rages!
>> Employ someone who hasn't passed the BAR?
>> Unless of course its some sort of internship.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>
>>> That is because Canada is a socialist nation.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Doerr"
>> <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good point Blain.
>>>> IF that were "required" in the U.S. the same result may append itself
>> to
>>>> U.S. graduates.
>>>> I like it.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher"
>> <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is why Canadian Law students have somewhat of an advantage over
>>>>> American students.  before you take the Bar you are required to do
>> one
>>>>> year
>>>>> of what they call artickling.  This is where you go and work in a
>> Law
>>>>> firm.
>>>>> A lot of Law students that attend  a Law school in Canada find that
>> that
>>>>> one
>>>>> year helps then gain employment and if you're really good or they
>> like you
>>>>> then you might get reemploied after you pass the bar.  Some firms
>> might
>>>>> pay
>>>>> for you to take the bar if they feel that you will be a real assit
>> to the
>>>>> firm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blaine
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <awilusa at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:06 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       my name is Girmai Kahsai. I graduated from law school and
>> acquired
>>>>> my bar license in 2009. I have been applying for a job for more than
>> a
>>>>> year.
>>>>> I have had interviews and I believe I was not selected for
>> employment in
>>>>> some cases due to discrimination tacit or otherwise whenever the
>>>>> interviewers discovered that I am blind. federal and state agencies
>>>>> require
>>>>> experience which is a hurdle for new attorney. due to other
>> obligations, I
>>>>> am seeking gainful employment in other areaas which may help me to
>> move to
>>>>> attorney position in the long run.  I have been a lawyer for
>> fourteen
>>>>> years
>>>>> in another country and I have no doubt that law is the best
>> profession
>>>>> that
>>>>> would not require sight. nonetheless due to innumberable challenges
>> such
>>>>> as
>>>>> the current economic crisis, bias etc. employment is evading me. but
>> I
>>>>> would
>>>>> like to stress that with proper planning and preparation newly
>> graduated
>>>>> blind attorneys have the chance of employment. the prospective blind
>>>>> lawyer
>>>>> should work as intern duringg summers in federal or state agencies,
>>>>> participate in nmoot court competitions, law school journal etc.
>> these
>>>>> experiences would give the blind lawyer an edge in the search for
>>>>> employment. employers consider these experiences during the hiring
>>>>> process.
>>>>> the formation of a nonprofit organization for the provision of legal
>> aid
>>>>> should be explored as an alternative option by a blind attorney. the
>> legal
>>>>> profession is extremely broad and can be applied flexibly depending
>> on the
>>>>> creativity of the blind attorney individual. I  would like to
>> encourage
>>>>> blind individuals with stamina and skills to strive to study law.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: James Weisberg
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:56 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>>
>>>>> My experience is similar Noel.  My point:  numerically speaking the
>> effort
>>>>> of the credentials are not worth the "chance" you will be one of the
>>>>> "lucky"
>>>>> one's to get a job offer.  Congrats on making it into the public
>> sector as
>>>>> I
>>>>> believe that is the place for those such as us with vision problems
>> and
>>>>> law
>>>>> degrees.  I am currently in the process of waiting for a job
>> interview
>>>>> with
>>>>> the Fed myself!
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:28 PM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>>
>>>>> James:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have lost track of your original point.   I hope this response is
>> on
>>>>> target.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was blind during law school, worked as a summer associate for a
>>>>> nationally-known firm, and received a job offer as a result of my
>> work
>>>>> during that summer.  I was employed by that firm for over five
>> years.  I
>>>>> now
>>>>> practice for the federal government.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know of others as well who were blind before law school who got
>> jobs at
>>>>> private firms.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also know that tremendous discrimination occurs but my own
>> experience
>>>>> tells me that it is entirely possible for a blind person to receive
>> offers
>>>>> of employment to practice in the private sector.
>>>>>
>>>>> Noel Nightingale
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of James Weisberg
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:48 AM
>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to distinguish, I'm getting back to Dave's comments below
>> again
>>>>> now,
>>>>> between employed blind lawyers who lost sight AFTER they had been
>> employed
>>>>> and developed a rep before going blind as being competent from those
>> who
>>>>> are
>>>>> blind and thus never given the opportunity to develop such a rep
>> unless
>>>>> they
>>>>> can do it on their own as I have.  I just don't count blind lawyers
>> in my
>>>>> calculation if they lost their sight after they were established
>> because
>>>>> my
>>>>> point is NOT whether or not a blind person can do the work, I know
>> as I
>>>>> have
>>>>> been doing it for over ten years now.  My point is the effort for
>> the
>>>>> credentials compared with the likelihood of a job offer means go for
>>>>> something else . . . that's all.  So I too would love the numbers on
>> blind
>>>>> lawyers never offered employment compared against employed blind
>> lawyers
>>>>> who
>>>>> were blind prior to ever practicing!!  I'm betting close to
>>>>> "astronomical."
>>>>> *smile*
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of mfhurley at optonline.net
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:29 AM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>>
>>>>> Prospects for blind lawyers were not good in a great ecomony.  I
>> agree
>>>>> with
>>>>> Dennis' post wholeheartedly.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: David Andrews
>>>>> Date: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:26 am
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>
>>>>>> James:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to suggest that the unemployment rate for blind
>>>>>> persons
>>>>>> in most all, if not all fields of endeavor is low. While my
>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>> is anecdotal, I don't think that it is necessarily any worse for
>>>>>> blind lawyers. Over the years I have known a bunch of blind
>>>>>> lawyers,
>>>>>> who are working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I read, the prospect for all lawyers isn't that good
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> now, so it is hard to separate the blindness penalty from the
>>>>>> bad
>>>>>> economy penalty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 05:55 PM 11/18/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>> >Based upon my experience, Berkeley grad, top tier law grad,
>>>>>> ZERO job offers
>>>>>> >despite NEVER not getting an interview, combined with the
>>>>>> extremely low
>>>>>> >numbers of blind attorneys I can't think of what there might be
>>>>>> to discuss.
>>>>>> >My advice to anyone with vision issues considering law as a
>>>>>> career is to not
>>>>>> >waste their time or money they have a greater chance
>> statistically,
>>>>>> >probably, of getting hit by lightening on the way to law class
>>>>>> than ever
>>>>>> >getting an offer of employment. Now if you come from money, forget
>>>>>> >everything I have said and just open your own firm! THAT IS
>>>>>> THE WAY IT IS!
>>>>>> >But there are always EXCEPTIONS. I personally wouldn't want to
>>>>>> invest the
>>>>>> >time and money law school requires on the hopes I'll be an
>> exception.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec  1 17:03:56 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:03:56 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney office job postings
Message-ID: <5BDE8F12280C4BBB8170AB49714EC5E2@none8a46117901>

     * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF GEORGIA VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER 11-MDGA-01 All applications must be postmarked no later than Monday, December 6, 2010.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-49-14001creuvacannnov10.htm ] 

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES TRUSTEES WASHINGTON, DC TRIAL ATTORNEY, GS-905-15 ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 10-49-14002 Applications must be postmarked by the closing date of 12/07/10.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/eoust-10-49-14002.htm ] 

"You don't have to fool all the people all of the time; you just have to fool enough to get elected"
~ ~ ~ Gerald Barzan 

 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec  1 22:27:55 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:27:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty job posting
Message-ID: <4F303B118DFE461B8F44E0ADF5139F7D@none8a46117901>

 * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF OKLAHOMA 11-OKW-04-A Resumes must be received no later than December 15, 2010. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-11-okw-04-a.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  2 03:26:56 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:26:56 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] llc law - news paper publication?
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Hi George,
I am a paralegal in California so you will need to contact an attorney in 
New York. There may be someone on this list or your local bar association 
may be albe to provide you a referral to an attorney that specializes in the 
formation of corporations.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
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> Chuck:
> Do you work in this field?
> If so, are you certified to practice in New York state.
> If you are, please email me offline and we can talk, because I want to be 
> completely sure of what I'm doing before I start.
> Thanks,
>
> Jorge
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2010, at 8:23 PM, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> the process of publishing notice for an LLC or any other type of 
>> corporation depends on your state laws as corporations and LLCs are 
>> registered in the state where they are doing business or where their 
>> directors/partners choose to register them. For that reason the specific 
>> procedures would not be covered in Federal publications. In establishing 
>> a business it is usually advisable to consult with an attorney or 
>> business consultant prior to proceeding so your options can be considered 
>> thoroughly and you don't make costly mistakes.
>> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
>> 1237 P Street
>> Fresno ca 93721
>> 559-266-9237
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:55 PM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] llc law - news paper publication?
>>
>>
>>> Hi all:
>>> Just wondering, is it true that if you're going to form an LLC you 
>>> require a publication to be made in 2 newspapers?
>>> That's what I heard, but don't know if its true because it hasn't been 
>>> mentioned in any of the government resources I look at.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec  2 13:23:25 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 08:23:25 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Funding source posting
Message-ID: <66A351EE94D5466A8D82266B50E0F2D0@none8a46117901>

National Institute of Justice 

*NIJ has released the solicitation **Partnerships Researcher-Practitioner Justice Criminal Enhancing and Building (pdf, 19 pages)* [ http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/sl000970.pdf ]*.* 

*Application Deadline:* March 1, 2011 11:59 PM eastern time. 

NIJ is seeking applications for funding multiple projects in support of criminal justice researcher-practitioner partnerships, as well as capturing, in detail, relevant accounts of these collaborations. This solicitation specifically aims to support activities that capture and build on these efforts and that provide opportunities for creating, enhancing, and sustaining criminal justice researcher-practitioner partnerships that will lead to better criminal justice policy, practice, and research.
 Projects that address issues and agencies in the juvenile justice system are also eligible. NIJ is interested in applications under one of the two following areas.


  * Area 1: Junior Faculty Grant Program to Promote Criminal Justice Researcher-Practitioner Partnerships. 
  * Area 2: Criminal Justice Researcher-Practitioner Fellowship Placement Program. 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
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F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Dec  2 17:55:02 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:55:02 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] President Obama Announces More Key Administration Posts
 for National Council on Disability
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B82C3AD4E@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: White House Disability Group [mailto:disability at messages.whitehouse.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: President Obama Announces More Key Administration Posts for National Council on Disability


THE WHITE HOUSE



Office of the Press Secretary



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



December 1, 2010



President Obama Announces More Key Administration Posts



WASHINGTON – Today, President Barack Obama announced his intent to nominate the following individual to a key administration post:





· Janice Lehrer-Stein, Member, National Council on Disability



President Obama also announced his intent to appoint Richard J. Danzig and Daniel Meltzer as Members of the President’s Intelligence Advisory Board. Their biographies are below.



President Obama said, “I am confident that these accomplished individuals will serve the American people well in their new roles. I am proud to have them join this Administration, and I look forward to working with them in the months and years ahead.”



President Obama announced his intent to nominate the following individual to a key administration post:



Janice Lehrer-Stein, Nominee for Member, National Council on Disability



Janice Lehrer-Stein is a former labor and employment discrimination litigator in Washington, DC and San Francisco, California. Her practice included state and federal trial and appellate practice in labor, constitutional, and discrimination law. She is currently a member of the Board of Directors and Chair of the Audit Committee of Medical Research Charities, a national federation of research focused non-profits, soliciting and directing employee donations to the Combined Federal and State Campaigns. Ms. Lehrer-Stein is a National Trustee of the Foundation Fighting Blindness and Chair of the 2010 San Francisco Dining in the Dark dinner, an event that increases awareness of the challenges faced by Americans with vision disabilities. Ms. Lehrer-Stein is also a member of the Board of Directors of Disability Rights Advocates, a non-profit law firm that seeks to improve access and to secure the civil rights of individuals with disabilities. Ms. Lehrer-Stein was diagnosed with retinitis pigmentosa in 1982 and is legally blind. She holds a Juris Doctor degree from University of Toronto and earned her Bachelor of Arts degree from Yale University.



President Obama announced his intent to appoint the following individuals to key administration posts:



Richard J. Danzig, Nominee for Member, President’s Intelligence Advisory Board Richard J. Danzig is a senior advisor at the Center for a New American Security, the Center for Naval Analyses and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, where he serves as a consultant to the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security on terrorism. Dr. Danzig also served as a Senior Advisor to then-Senator Barack Obama on national security issues throughout his Presidential campaign. During the Clinton Administration, Dr. Danzig served as the 71st Secretary of the Navy and Under Secretary of the Navy. During the Carter Administration, Dr. Danzig served in the Department of Defense as a Deputy Assistant Secretary then as Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for Manpower, Reserve Affairs and Logistics. Between his terms in public service, Dr. Danzig was a partner in the law firm Latham Watkins. He is the Chairman of the Center for a New American Security's Board of Directors, a member of the Defense Policy Board, a Director of the RAND Corporation and the Partnership for Public Service. Dr. Danzig was awarded the Defense Distinguished Public Service Award, the highest Department of Defense civilian award, in 2001, 1997 and 1981. He received a B.A. from Reed College, a J.D. from Yale Law School, and Bachelor of Philosophy and Doctor of Philosophy degrees from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar.



Daniel Meltzer, Nominee for Member, President’s Intelligence Advisory Board

Daniel Meltzer is currently the Story Professor of Law at Harvard Law School. He joined the Harvard Law School faculty in 1982, and has served as an Associate Dean and Vice Dean of the Law School. From 2009-10, Mr. Meltzer was the Principal Deputy Counsel to President Barack Obama at the White House. Before he joined the Harvard Law School faculty, Mr. Meltzer practiced law at Williams and Connolly in Washington D.C. and served as Special Assistant to Secretary Joseph A. Califano, Jr. at the Department of Health, Education and Welfare. Mr. Meltzer also served as a law clerk to Judge Carl McGowan of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit and to Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart.   Mr. Meltzer is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and a member of the Council of the American Law Institute. Mr. Meltzer holds an A.B. from Harvard College and a J.D. from Harvard Law School, where he served as President of the Harvard Law Review.

The White House · 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW · Washington DC 20500 · 202-456-1111

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec  2 22:58:47 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:58:47 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Office job Openings
Message-ID: <E8BEBB0B0B0C4BA996B3B66CE0B519D4@none8a46117901>

  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF WEST VIRGINIA ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER:11-SDWV-01 To be considered for a position, send a resume no later than December 10, 2010. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-sdwv-01.htm ] 

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, CRIMINAL SECTION TRIAL ATTORNEY, GS-14/15 CLOSING DATE: DECEMBER 17, 2010 10-ATT-033 CLOSING DATE: DECEMBER 17, 2010 [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-crt-att-033.htm ] 

  * UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION OFFICE OF INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS SECTION ATTORNEY ADVISOR GS-15 Please submit applications by: December 23, 2010.  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-nsi-opnsec-attyadv.htm ] 

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO. 10-AUSASDGA-02 Resumes must be received no later than December 15, 2010  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-ausasdga-02.htm ] 

"Most gods throw dice, but Fate plays chess, and you don't find out til too late that he's been playing with two queens all along" 
Terry Pratchett 




Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Fri Dec  3 11:54:52 2010
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 06:54:52 EST
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Job Opportunity at the Food and Drug Administration
	- Please share
Message-ID: <34957.351591f.3a2a348c@aol.com>

 
 
 
Job Title: Senior Equal  Employment Opportunity Specialist 
 
Department: Department Of  Health And Human Services 
 
Agency: Food and Drug  Administration 
 
Sub Agency: Department of  Health and Human Services 
 
Job Announcement Number:  HHS-FDA-02-2011-0093 
 

SALARY  RANGE:  
$105,211.00 - $136,771.00 /year   
OPEN  PERIOD:  
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 to Wednesday, December  15, 2010   
SERIES &  GRADE:  
GS-0260-14/14   
POSITION  INFORMATION:  
Full Time Permanent   
PROMOTION  POTENTIAL:  
14   
DUTY  LOCATIONS:  
1 vacancy - Rockville ,  MD 
 

 
_http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=94422675&JobTitle=Senior+Equal
+Employment+Opportunity+Specialist&q=hhs-fda-02-2011-0093&brd=3876&vw=b&FedE
mp=Y&FedPub=Y&x=113&y=16&pg=1&re=0&AVSDM=2010-12-01+00%3a03%3a00_ 
(http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=94422675&JobTitle=Senior+Equal+Employmen
t+Opportunity+Specialist&q=hhs-fda-02-2011-0093&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=Y&FedPu
b=Y&x=113&y=16&pg=1&re=0&AVSDM=2010-12-01+00:03:00) 
 



From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Dec  3 22:52:16 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:52:16 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty postings for the day
Message-ID: <58EC991D62F6447691EF3D102A45BFA7@none8a46117901>

Please note the first posting.
***
  * Attorney Advisor Office of the Justice Attache, Department of Justice US Embassy-Baghdad, Iraq  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/rol-dec032010.htm ] 

  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION LAND ACQUISITION SECTION GS-12/15 OPEN: DECEMBER 6, 2010 CLOSE: OPEN UNTIL FILLED. APPLICANTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY BEFORE DECEMBER 23, 2010 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: ENRD-10-070-EXC [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/executive-office-280344-dec032010.htm ] 

  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF NEBRASKA ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 2011-AUSA-01 (D.NE) Applications need to be posted by COB December 10, 2010. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/dtf-ausa-dec32010.htm ] 

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."

- - - Mark Twain 

 

 Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From sbg at sbgaal.com  Sun Dec  5 01:08:02 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 19:08:02 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
Message-ID: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

 

Shannon Geihsler

 

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Sun Dec  5 01:18:38 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 20:18:38 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <08F9A293-0DA7-4E2D-8BAE-8C2F277D1C84@mac.com>

No.
You have to get Oricale by Humanware LTD. if you want a Blackberry.


On Dec 4, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Shannon Geihsler wrote:

> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
> 
> 
> 
> Shannon Geihsler
> 
> 
> 
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
> 
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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Sun Dec  5 04:46:18 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 22:46:18 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio. 
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from 
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory 
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and 
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from 
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an 
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry 
smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the 
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about 
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of 
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry 
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at 
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume 
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more 
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry 
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the 
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different 
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind 
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry 
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform 
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software 
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more 
information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit 
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first 
screen reader software application designed specifically to support 
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers 
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like 
that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with 
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French, 
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare 
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages 
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen 
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide 
speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve 
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US 
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this 
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve 
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit 
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?skuId=sku7757100023. 
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software 
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones 
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and 
carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be 
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can 
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full 
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including 
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the 
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not 
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full 
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry 
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this 
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software 
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the 
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to 
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While 
Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products, 
HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for 
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from 
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with 
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM 
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface 
(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application 
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design 
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to 
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices 
support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the 
development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of 
charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing 
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be 
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to 
re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license 
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new 
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available 
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a 
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can 
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product 
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a 
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community, 
and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile 
screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application 
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Dec  5 04:55:52 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 22:55:52 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <auto-000180935091@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Talks does not work with the Blackberry -- the only thing that does, 
for a speech program, is Orator for Blackberry from Humanware.

As to talks and phones, look on their web site.

Dave

At 07:08 PM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
>does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility of
>the Talks program with various mobile phones?



From sbg at sbgaal.com  Sun Dec  5 16:43:48 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:43:48 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
Message-ID: <3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>

Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio. 
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from 
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory 
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and 
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from 
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an 
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the 
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about 
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of 
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry 
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at 
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume 
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more 
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry 
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the 
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different 
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind 
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry 
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform 
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software 
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit 
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first 
screen reader software application designed specifically to support 
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers 
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with 
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French, 
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare 
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages 
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen 
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve 
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US 
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this 
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve 
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit 
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023. 
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software 
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones 
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be 
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can 
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full 
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including 
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the 
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not 
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full 
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry 
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this 
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software 
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the 
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to 
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for 
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from 
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with 
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM 
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application 
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design 
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to 
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing 
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be 
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license 
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new 
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available 
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a 
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can 
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product 
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a 
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application 
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From cathrynisfinally at verizon.net  Sun Dec  5 17:12:24 2010
From: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net (Cathryn Bonnette)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 12:12:24 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Kaplan PMBR Bar Preparation Materials for Blind
	Students
Message-ID: <2BD9ACC0A93342B0BD269BAA31052720@14bd0130080a469>

All:

 

I'm forwarding to the list my message to Kaplan PMBR the company taking over
The Study Group, my choice for bar prep course materials and mentoring
service. If anyone can suggest an alternative, input is appreciated. At the
very least, this is F.Y.I.

CB

________________

  _____  

From: Cathryn Bonnette [mailto:cathrynisfinally at verizon.net] 
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:59 AM
To: 'Jasmine Mathieu'; 'David Luce'
Subject: RE: Cathryn Bonnette TSG inquiry

 

DATE: December 5, 2010

TO: "Dave" / KAPLAN PMBR

RE: Technical support to access the bar prep course using screen reader
speech software, JAWS for Windows

FROM: Cathryn Bonnette

 

Thank you for responding to my telephone call yesterday.

As I communicated by telephone, I cannot set a password on the web page you
provided via e-mail, (See message pasted below), using key board commands.
The commands do not register.  Consequently, I cannot access any course
materials to date.

(Start of pasted text.)


Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.
Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.
Medical Logo
Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.
Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.


Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

Thank you for choosing Kaplan! You've made the best decision for your
studies.

Your online resources are now available through your personal home page at:
<http://www.kaplanpmbr.com/myhome> www.kaplanpmbr.com/myhome.

Your user id is: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net

For security purposes, before you can access your personal homepage, your
password needs to be set. To set your password using our secure server,
<http://www.kaptest.com/resetpassword.jhtml?t=I1a0yO7ONrofvz2qUyYXaw==>
Click Here. 

If you are not able to click on this link, please copy and paste this into
your internet browser:
http://www.kaptest.com/resetpassword.jhtml?t=I1a0yO7ONrofvz2qUyYXaw==

At Kaplan, we're committed to helping you achieve your educational and
career goals. We look forward to working with you each step of the way.

Contact one of our expert advisors for more help or information at
1-800-523-0777. For callers outside the US and Canada call 1-213-452-5820.

Sincerely,

The Team at Kaplan

Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.


Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

 

(End of pasted text.)

 I am blind and use adaptive speech software, (JAWS for Windows). I
purchased the bar preparation course from The Study Group because they
provided materials and support to effectively assist blind students, and
because they offered me unlimited mentoring.  I understand that Kaplan PMBR
has taken over The Study Group as of December 1, 2010.

I have been delayed to date using any Kaplan PMBR services. The telephone
number provided for U.S. customers in the message text above goes to voice
mail stating offices are closed. This is neither what I expected nor the
excellent services I experienced from The Study Group. 

 

How is Kaplan PMBR accommodating blind customers? 

Your prompt attention to this matter is appreciated.

 

 

  _____  

From: Jasmine Mathieu [mailto:Jasmine.Mathieu at kaplan.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 11:53 AM
To: David Luce
Cc: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net
Subject: Cathryn Bonnette TSG inquiry

 

Hi Dave,

 

 

A student called in who has questions about The Study Group. She is
requesting to speak to a mentor. She also requested to be copied on this
email. Her account does not say if she was assigned a mentor yet, but she
would prefer someone who is apart of her study group to be her mentor. Do
you have a contact that I can forward her to about assigning a mentor for
her?

 

 

 

Jasmine Mathieu

PMBR Associate

Kaplan PMBR

 

Prep Smarter, Score Higher. Guaranteed - Or Your Money Back!

 

No virus found in this incoming message.
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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Sun Dec  5 18:07:00 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 12:07:00 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
	<3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook 
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if 
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the 
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
please contact the sender and delete all copies.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec  5 18:51:42 2010
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:51:42 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] off topic
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
	<192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
Message-ID: <AD765967326B4108B34F26CC2783FBAD@DANELLIEVANDAWN>

I have not heard from Angie Madney in a long time.  Angie, are you still out 
there?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


> I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft 
> Outlook
> uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and 
> if
> it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
> e-mail onto yourregular computer.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>
> Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
> www.humanware.com.
>
> from the Q.A off the website.
>
> What is Oratio for BlackBerry?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution 
> from
> HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
> (www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
> operate new BlackBerry smartphones.
>
>
>
> What does it do?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution 
> from
> HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
> audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of 
> BlackBerry
>
> smartphones.
>
>
>
> Who sells and supports this product?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
> leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
> Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
> When will Oratio be available for purchase?
>
> Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
> February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for 
> BlackBerry
> smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
> Where can I Purchase Oratio?
>
> Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
> www.humanware.com/oratio
>
>
>
> How much does Oratio cost?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. 
> Volume
> discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
> information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
> Is it the same as Mobile Speak?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
> smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, 
> the
> maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
> applications for different smartphone environments.
>
>
>
> Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
> and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
> smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
> other than BlackBerry.
>
> Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
> solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For 
> more
>
> information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
> www.codefactory.es.
>
> Is it like TALKS?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
> screen reader software application designed specifically to support
> BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
> with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.
>
>
>
> What TTS does it use?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine 
> like
>
> that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.
>
>
>
> What languages are supported?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
> upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
> Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.
>
>
>
> Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
> VictorReader Stream products.
>
>
>
> Does it support speech recognition?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
> text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other 
> screen
> readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not 
> provide
>
> speech to text functionality.
>
>
>
>
>
> Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
> 8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in 
> US
> English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
> software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
> 8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
> http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
> kuId=sku7757100023.
> Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device 
> software
> versions will not be supported by Oratio.
>
>
>
> HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
> with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device 
> and
>
> carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
> announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
> view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
> Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
> QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
> the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
> touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
> supported.
>
>
>
> Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
> QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
> smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
> time.
>
>
>
> Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?
>
> Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
> application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
> availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
> Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
> access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. 
> While
>
> Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of 
> products,
>
> HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
> BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
> third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
> disabilities at this time.
>
> To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
> has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming 
> Interface
>
> (API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.
>
> HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
> developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
> principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.
>
>
>
> Does it support the web browser application?
>
> At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support 
> to
> the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile 
> devices
>
> support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on 
> the
>
> development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free 
> of
>
> charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.
>
>
>
> Will updates be free?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:
>
>
>
> Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
> version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
> available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need 
> to
>
> re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
> registration.
>
>
>
> Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
> software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
> from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require 
> a
> new product registration.
>
>
>
> Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
> only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
> number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
> new license.
>
>
>
> Can I get a demo/trial copy?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind 
> community,
>
> and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building 
> mobile
>
> screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the 
> application
> is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the 
> box.
>
>
>
> No trial or demo copy is available at this time.
>
>
>
> Where can I get more information?
>
> For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Sun Dec  5 22:13:14 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 17:13:14 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
	<192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
Message-ID: <644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>

I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 


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Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Dec  5 23:42:02 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 17:42:02 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
	<3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <auto-000180998432@mailfront2.g2host.com>

At least as originally conceived, the Blackberry was primarily a 
device for reading your e-mail, answering it etc.  So, as soon as you 
get e-mail, it is pushed to the Blackberry, ready for you to read and 
respond.

Dave

At 10:43 AM 12/5/2010, you wrote:
>Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?
>
>Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>1001 Main St., Suite 803
>Lubbock, TX 79401
>Phone: 763-3999
>Fax: 749-3752
>
>This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
>attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
>review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
>permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
>please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
>www.humanware.com.
>
>from the Q.A off the website.
>
>What is Oratio for BlackBerry?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
>HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
>(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
>operate new BlackBerry smartphones.
>
>
>
>What does it do?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
>HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
>audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry
>
>smartphones.
>
>
>
>Who sells and supports this product?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
>leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
>Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
>www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
>When will Oratio be available for purchase?
>
>Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
>February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
>smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
>Where can I Purchase Oratio?
>
>Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
>www.humanware.com/oratio
>
>
>
>How much does Oratio cost?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
>discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
>information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
>www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
>Is it the same as Mobile Speak?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
>smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
>maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
>applications for different smartphone environments.
>
>
>
>Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
>and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
>smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
>other than BlackBerry.
>
>Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
>solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more
>
>information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
>www.codefactory.es.
>
>Is it like TALKS?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
>screen reader software application designed specifically to support
>BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
>with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.
>
>
>
>What TTS does it use?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like
>
>that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.
>
>
>
>What languages are supported?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
>upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
>Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.
>
>
>
>Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
>VictorReader Stream products.
>
>
>
>Does it support speech recognition?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
>text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
>readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide
>
>speech to text functionality.
>
>
>
>
>
>Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
>8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
>English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
>software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
>8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
>http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
>kuId=sku7757100023.
>Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
>versions will not be supported by Oratio.
>
>
>
>HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
>with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and
>
>carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
>announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
>view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
>Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
>QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
>the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
>touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
>supported.
>
>
>
>Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
>QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
>smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
>time.
>
>
>
>Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?
>
>Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
>application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
>availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
>Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
>access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While
>
>Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,
>
>HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
>BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
>third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
>disabilities at this time.
>
>To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
>has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface
>
>(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.
>
>HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
>developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
>principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.
>
>
>
>Does it support the web browser application?
>
>At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
>the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices
>
>support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the
>
>development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of
>
>charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.
>
>
>
>Will updates be free?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:
>
>
>
>Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
>version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
>available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to
>
>re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
>registration.
>
>
>
>Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
>software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
>from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
>new product registration.
>
>
>
>Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
>only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
>number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
>new license.
>
>
>
>Can I get a demo/trial copy?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,
>
>and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile
>
>screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
>is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.
>
>
>
>No trial or demo copy is available at this time.
>
>
>
>Where can I get more information?
>
>For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
>www.humanware.com/oratio.



From Susan.Kelly at pima.gov  Mon Dec  6 14:44:30 2010
From: Susan.Kelly at pima.gov (Susan Kelly)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 07:44:30 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>

Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
worked out from the initial release.  

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

 

Shannon Geihsler

 

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Mon Dec  6 14:50:37 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:50:37 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
	<644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>
Message-ID: <942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>

Can you tell me a little more about what this is??

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:13 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 


-------------------------------------------
Daniel K. Beitz
Wienner & Gould, P.C.
950 University Dr., Ste. 350
Rochester, MI  48307
Phone:  (248) 841-9405
Fax:  (248) 652-2729
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Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Mon Dec  6 15:09:15 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:09:15 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>
	<942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <39C7BE6FCDA84AE097A2B48497ED15E9@DHRL6TC1>

The Apple i-phone is the most popular phone in the US, I think.  Apple made
it talk right out of the box by creating a screen reader built into the
operating system called Voiceover.  I was a bit skeptical, because its a
touch screen phone.  But it absolutely works great.  Typing is slow, but it
is also slow on a little querty keyboard too.  I'm not the most coordinated
person with my fingers, and I have no problems.  If you go to apple.com,
select iphone, and click on accessibility, you'll be able to read about it.



-------------------------------------------
Daniel K. Beitz
Wienner & Gould, P.C.
950 University Dr., Ste. 350
Rochester, MI  48307
Phone:  (248) 841-9405
Fax:  (248) 652-2729
dbeitz at wiennergould.com
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:51 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Can you tell me a little more about what this is??

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:13 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 


-------------------------------------------
Daniel K. Beitz
Wienner & Gould, P.C.
950 University Dr., Ste. 350
Rochester, MI  48307
Phone:  (248) 841-9405
Fax:  (248) 652-2729
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email
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
please contact the sender and delete all copies.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From taiablas at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 19:13:07 2010
From: taiablas at gmail.com (Tai Blas)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:13:07 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
	<3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
	<192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
	<644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>
	<942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <AD845316-535A-4CD8-A173-0B918EB63B2D@gmail.com>

The iPhone also supports braille displays and has built in screen magnification. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2010, at 8:50 AM, "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com> wrote:

> Can you tell me a little more about what this is??
> 
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
> 
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:13 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
> $300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
> reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
> emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
> you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
> Fax:  (248) 652-2729
> dbeitz at wiennergould.com
> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages
> attached
> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If
> you are
> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this
> email
> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure,
> copying,
> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or
> attached to
> this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in
> error,
> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by
> telephoning
> us at (248) 841-9400.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
> uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
> it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
> e-mail onto yourregular computer.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> 
> Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?
> 
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
> 
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> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
> www.humanware.com.
> 
> from the Q.A off the website.
> 
> What is Oratio for BlackBerry?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
> HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
> (www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
> operate new BlackBerry smartphones.
> 
> 
> 
> What does it do?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
> HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
> audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry
> 
> smartphones.
> 
> 
> 
> Who sells and supports this product?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
> leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
> Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> When will Oratio be available for purchase?
> 
> Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
> February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
> smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> Where can I Purchase Oratio?
> 
> Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
> www.humanware.com/oratio
> 
> 
> 
> How much does Oratio cost?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
> discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
> information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> Is it the same as Mobile Speak?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
> smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
> maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
> applications for different smartphone environments.
> 
> 
> 
> Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
> and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
> smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
> other than BlackBerry.
> 
> Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
> solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more
> 
> information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
> www.codefactory.es.
> 
> Is it like TALKS?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
> screen reader software application designed specifically to support
> BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
> with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.
> 
> 
> 
> What TTS does it use?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like
> 
> that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.
> 
> 
> 
> What languages are supported?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
> upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
> Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.
> 
> 
> 
> Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
> VictorReader Stream products.
> 
> 
> 
> Does it support speech recognition?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
> text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
> readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide
> 
> speech to text functionality.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
> 8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
> English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
> software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
> 8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
> http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
> kuId=sku7757100023.
> Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
> versions will not be supported by Oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
> with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and
> 
> carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
> announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
> view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
> QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
> the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
> touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
> supported.
> 
> 
> 
> Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
> QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
> smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
> time.
> 
> 
> 
> Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?
> 
> Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
> application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
> availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
> access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While
> 
> Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,
> 
> HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
> BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
> third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
> disabilities at this time.
> 
> To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
> has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface
> 
> (API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.
> 
> HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
> developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
> principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.
> 
> 
> 
> Does it support the web browser application?
> 
> At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
> the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices
> 
> support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the
> 
> development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of
> 
> charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.
> 
> 
> 
> Will updates be free?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:
> 
> 
> 
> Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
> version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
> available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to
> 
> re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
> registration.
> 
> 
> 
> Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
> software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
> from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
> new product registration.
> 
> 
> 
> Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
> only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
> number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
> new license.
> 
> 
> 
> Can I get a demo/trial copy?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,
> 
> and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile
> 
> screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
> is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.
> 
> 
> 
> No trial or demo copy is available at this time.
> 
> 
> 
> Where can I get more information?
> 
> For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
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From taiablas at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 19:18:23 2010
From: taiablas at gmail.com (Tai Blas)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:18:23 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>
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Last I heard, the web browser on the blackberry was not accessible using the Oratio screenreader. 
Tai


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2010, at 8:44 AM, "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov> wrote:

> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
> 
> 
> 
> Shannon Geihsler
> 
> 
> 
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Mon Dec  6 19:35:35 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:35:35 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
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I've never heard of anything so completely accessible like the iPhone. 


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Behalf Of Tai Blas
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 2:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Last I heard, the web browser on the blackberry was not accessible using the
Oratio screenreader. 
Tai


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2010, at 8:44 AM, "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov> wrote:

> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
> 
> 
> 
> Shannon Geihsler
> 
> 
> 
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Mon Dec  6 19:39:33 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:39:33 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
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References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1><942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
	<39C7BE6FCDA84AE097A2B48497ED15E9@DHRL6TC1>
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Can the I-Phone be synchronized with Outlook on a windows based computer?

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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:09 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The Apple i-phone is the most popular phone in the US, I think.  Apple made
it talk right out of the box by creating a screen reader built into the
operating system called Voiceover.  I was a bit skeptical, because its a
touch screen phone.  But it absolutely works great.  Typing is slow, but it
is also slow on a little querty keyboard too.  I'm not the most coordinated
person with my fingers, and I have no problems.  If you go to apple.com,
select iphone, and click on accessibility, you'll be able to read about it.



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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:51 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Can you tell me a little more about what this is??

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Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:13 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 


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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

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Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Mon Dec  6 19:56:43 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:56:43 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <05E4E6339A1544F3AB1447ADD012F44B@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1><942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop><39C7BE6FCDA84AE097A2B48497ED15E9@DHRL6TC1>
	<05E4E6339A1544F3AB1447ADD012F44B@HPLaptop>
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Yes.  It works very well.  You can even have it synchronize over the web
automatically for about $100 a year.  All you do is download the free iTunes
program from Apple, and you can activate your phone, and synchronize
anything you want, including audible books, music and outlook.  The iPhone
calendar is really neat and easy to use.  The web browser works well too,
although there are some web pages it doesn't load well, but that has nothing
to do with the screen reader.  Blackberry could have the same issues.  Most
of the pages that don't load well have free apps for the iPhone that you can
download.  For example, the economist.com website doesn't want to load, but
there is an Apple app that makes it work fine.  Because there are 16 million
iPhones sold, the number of available apps is enormous.  It would be a real
good idea to go into an apple store near you, or maybe an A T and T store to
check one out.  You might have to tell them about voice over though, because
some don't know about it, although most do.


-------------------------------------------
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-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 2:40 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Can the I-Phone be synchronized with Outlook on a windows based computer?

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-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The Apple i-phone is the most popular phone in the US, I think.  Apple made
it talk right out of the box by creating a screen reader built into the
operating system called Voiceover.  I was a bit skeptical, because its a
touch screen phone.  But it absolutely works great.  Typing is slow, but it
is also slow on a little querty keyboard too.  I'm not the most coordinated
person with my fingers, and I have no problems.  If you go to apple.com,
select iphone, and click on accessibility, you'll be able to read about it.



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Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
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Can you tell me a little more about what this is??

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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 


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-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
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To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov  Mon Dec  6 20:14:03 2010
From: Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov (Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS))
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:14:03 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <05E4E6339A1544F3AB1447ADD012F44B@HPLaptop>
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My office will soon be switching from Windows XP and Office 2003, all
the way to Windows 7 and Office 2010.  I use JAWS, and was wondering if
anyone out there is using JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010?  If yes,
how well does JAWS work?  Please respond only if this applies to your
situation.

Sincerely,
Tim Ford



From drdrum1 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  6 21:01:01 2010
From: drdrum1 at hotmail.com (Ian Shadrick)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:01:01 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010
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References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
	<3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
	<192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
	<644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>
	<942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
	<39C7BE6FCDA84AE097A2B48497ED15E9@DHRL6TC1>
	<05E4E6339A1544F3AB1447ADD012F44B@HPLaptop>
	<839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F60699AE06@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov>
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I currently teach as a Certified Vision Rehabilitation Therapist and Certified Rehabilitation Counselor, and we are using all JAWS 11 equipped computers with MS Office 2010. We have had very good success, especially those previously familiar such ad yourself. Once you learn the new layout, you should be fine. Additionally many things are actually easier than with XP.

Ian 

Ian Shadrick, M.A. CVRT, CRC

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2010, at 15:14, "Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS)" <Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov> wrote:

> My office will soon be switching from Windows XP and Office 2003, all
> the way to Windows 7 and Office 2010.  I use JAWS, and was wondering if
> anyone out there is using JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010?  If yes,
> how well does JAWS work?  Please respond only if this applies to your
> situation.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Tim Ford
> 
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Dec  6 23:15:52 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 18:15:52 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Job Postings U.S. Attorney offices
Message-ID: <A61B1D9ADF9E4D358371C74583EC09A5@none8a46117901>

  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TENNESSEE Vacancy Announcement #11-EDTN-AUSA-05. [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/ausa-11-edtn-05-dec62010.html ] 
  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TENNESSEE Vacancy Announcement #11-EDTN-AUSA-04.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/ausa-11-edtn-04-dec62010.html ] 
  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF COLORADO VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO. 11-CO-405647-SAUSA-03 The announcement closes on Friday, December 17, 2010. [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/appellate-sausa-dec62010.html ] 
  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE Northern District of New York Vacancy Announcement No. 11-NDNY-01.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/ausa-albany-dec62010.html ] 
  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT DEPUTY CHIEF, COMPUTER CRIME, GS-905-15 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE COMPUTER CRIME AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY SECTION WASHINGTON, D.C. 11-CRM-CCIPS-007.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-crm-ccips-007-dec62010.html ] 
  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT EXPERIENCED TRIAL ATTORNEY, GS-905-13/14/15 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE UNIT OFFICE OF ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS WASHINGTON, D.C. 11-CRM-OEO-008.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-crm-oeo-008-dec62010.html ] 

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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Mon Dec  6 23:34:16 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 17:34:16 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>
Message-ID: <ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945>

Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted information 
on the program a while back on this.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
worked out from the initial release.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!



Shannon Geihsler



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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Mon Dec  6 23:43:17 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 17:43:17 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
	<3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
	<192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
	<644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>
	<942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <75AD44DB19994133A4AE09860F7B9A85@GPD945>

The IPhone is a Product of Apple (the company that made Mak computers, 
IPod's, Recently the IPad, and of course the IPhone).  The IPhone is a touch 
screen phone with a built in version of a screen reading program. When you 
touch something or move over something that you want to activate you double 
tap it quickly. There is also the smart touch where when you're on something 
all you do to activate the application or press the letter for typing is 
lift your finger instead of double tapping so you press down and lift for 
about 1 second and it activates the letter that you want to press. I've 
played with the IPhone before with FaceBook and sent a Text Message and it 
works quite well for me. It doesn't cost any extra to have the program.
Blaine
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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Can you tell me a little more about what this is??

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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing.


-------------------------------------------
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Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

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Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 00:42:02 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:42:02 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Mobile Speak and Mobile Geo for Sale
Message-ID: <E15F6D167DC14CB3A1AF82ACCC400E7C@Rufus>

Hello,

I have the latest copies of Mobile Speak and Mobile Geo for sale.  If you're
new to Mobile Speak, it is a screen reading software for Windows Mobile
phones.  Mobile Geo provides GPS navigation software.  Please scroll down
for links to the complete list of features.

1. I'll sell Mobile Geo by itself for $600.  This is $295 off the normal
price.  If you want to pay in two installments, I'll let it go for $700,
which is still $88 less than the lowest price I could find online.

2. I'll sell Mobile Speak and Mobile Geo together for $900.  This is $290
off of what it would cost for both products and $163 less than the lowest
prices I could find for both products together.  If you want to pay in two
installments, I'll let them go for an even $1,000.

Notes:

A. People who want to arrange for two installments should be prepared to
sign a contract and be prepared to schedule an automatic future payment.

B. If you can find an online deal that beats my rate, send me the link to an
established company.

C. Only PayPal is accepted.  You need not have a PayPal account to pay with
a credit or debit card.

D. You need Mobile Speak to run Mobile Geo.  For a list of compatible phones
that run Mobile Speak, please visit:

http://www.codefactory.es/en/phoneslist.asp?id=342

E. For information on Mobile Speak, please visit:

http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=316

F. For information on Mobile Geo, please visit:

http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopmgeo.htm

Looking forward to some serious inquiries,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing



From sbg at sbgaal.com  Tue Dec  7 15:22:01 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:22:01 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>
	<ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945>
Message-ID: <E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop>

How big is this keyboard?

Thanks,

Shannon

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted information 
on the program a while back on this.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
worked out from the initial release.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!



Shannon Geihsler



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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Tue Dec  7 15:33:00 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:33:00 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov><ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945>
	<E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1>

Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't be
afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
need to read the write-up on the apple website.


-------------------------------------------
Daniel K. Beitz
Wienner & Gould, P.C.
950 University Dr., Ste. 350
Rochester, MI  48307
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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard

How big is this keyboard?

Thanks,

Shannon

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted information 
on the program a while back on this.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
worked out from the initial release.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!



Shannon Geihsler



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From mworkman.lists at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 16:42:30 2010
From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:42:30 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov><ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945><E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop>
	<B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1>
Message-ID: <6C1D63F383854780A0AD7F58440700AD@MarcPC>

I'm using an apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone, and the keyboard is 
approximately one foot long and six inches wide.  I haven't actually seen a 
Blackberry keyboard, but I can't imagine that its keyboard is anywhere near 
the same size.

A friendly suggestion, there are other, better places to find out about the 
experience of blind people using an iPhone.  Check out Apple Vis
http://applevis.com/

or check out the Apple site on accessibility
www.apple.com/accessibility


regards,

Marc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel K. Beitz" <dbeitz at wiennergould.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard


> Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't 
> be
> afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
> three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
> doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
> need to read the write-up on the apple website.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
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> Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>
> How big is this keyboard?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shannon
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted 
> information
> on the program a while back on this.
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>
> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
>
>
>
> Shannon Geihsler
>
>
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Tue Dec  7 16:45:07 2010
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:45:07 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1><942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
	<AD845316-535A-4CD8-A173-0B918EB63B2D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA91CA5D3FBB40BEB5C7FE07A1841AF3@valtd>

Hi Everyone:

Anyone knows of an attorney in the Denver area that takes cases relating to 
disability and Social Security?  If yes, I'd apreciate names and contact 
phone numbers.  This enquiry is for a friend, much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Tue Dec  7 16:49:51 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:49:51 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <6C1D63F383854780A0AD7F58440700AD@MarcPC>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov><ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945><E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop><B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1>
	<6C1D63F383854780A0AD7F58440700AD@MarcPC>
Message-ID: <1A9735AC84D44FD2A1CB10F754F0EDCD@DHRL6TC1>

My comparison was between the qwerty keyboard on the blackberry, and the
small keyboard on the apple touch screen.  I too have used the Bluetooth
keyboard, but find it pretty easy to use the on-screen keyboard once you get
used to it.  I'm not about to cary a separate keyboard with me.


-------------------------------------------
Daniel K. Beitz
Wienner & Gould, P.C.
950 University Dr., Ste. 350
Rochester, MI  48307
Phone:  (248) 841-9405
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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marc Workman
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:43 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

I'm using an apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone, and the keyboard is 
approximately one foot long and six inches wide.  I haven't actually seen a 
Blackberry keyboard, but I can't imagine that its keyboard is anywhere near 
the same size.

A friendly suggestion, there are other, better places to find out about the 
experience of blind people using an iPhone.  Check out Apple Vis
http://applevis.com/

or check out the Apple site on accessibility
www.apple.com/accessibility


regards,

Marc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel K. Beitz" <dbeitz at wiennergould.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard


> Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't 
> be
> afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
> three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
> doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
> need to read the write-up on the apple website.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
> Fax:  (248) 652-2729
> dbeitz at wiennergould.com
>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>
> How big is this keyboard?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shannon
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted 
> information
> on the program a while back on this.
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>
> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
>
>
>
> Shannon Geihsler
>
>
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
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> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Tue Dec  7 17:41:07 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:41:07 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <1A9735AC84D44FD2A1CB10F754F0EDCD@DHRL6TC1>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov><ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945><E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop><B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1><6C1D63F383854780A0AD7F58440700AD@MarcPC>
	<1A9735AC84D44FD2A1CB10F754F0EDCD@DHRL6TC1>
Message-ID: <3141F7760F244F208599EF3BF1126331@HPLaptop>

Ow good is your vision?  

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:50 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

My comparison was between the qwerty keyboard on the blackberry, and the
small keyboard on the apple touch screen.  I too have used the Bluetooth
keyboard, but find it pretty easy to use the on-screen keyboard once you get
used to it.  I'm not about to cary a separate keyboard with me.


-------------------------------------------
Daniel K. Beitz
Wienner & Gould, P.C.
950 University Dr., Ste. 350
Rochester, MI  48307
Phone:  (248) 841-9405
Fax:  (248) 652-2729
dbeitz at wiennergould.com
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marc Workman
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:43 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

I'm using an apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone, and the keyboard is 
approximately one foot long and six inches wide.  I haven't actually seen a 
Blackberry keyboard, but I can't imagine that its keyboard is anywhere near 
the same size.

A friendly suggestion, there are other, better places to find out about the 
experience of blind people using an iPhone.  Check out Apple Vis
http://applevis.com/

or check out the Apple site on accessibility
www.apple.com/accessibility


regards,

Marc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel K. Beitz" <dbeitz at wiennergould.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard


> Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't 
> be
> afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
> three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
> doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
> need to read the write-up on the apple website.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
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> Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>
> How big is this keyboard?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shannon
>
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> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
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> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted 
> information
> on the program a while back on this.
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>
> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
>
>
>
> Shannon Geihsler
>
>
>
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Tue Dec  7 17:49:55 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:49:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <3141F7760F244F208599EF3BF1126331@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov><ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945><E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop><B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1><6C1D63F383854780A0AD7F58440700AD@MarcPC><1A9735AC84D44FD2A1CB10F754F0EDCD@DHRL6TC1>
	<3141F7760F244F208599EF3BF1126331@HPLaptop>
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I have no vision. 


-------------------------------------------
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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:41 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

Ow good is your vision?  

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
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Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:50 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

My comparison was between the qwerty keyboard on the blackberry, and the
small keyboard on the apple touch screen.  I too have used the Bluetooth
keyboard, but find it pretty easy to use the on-screen keyboard once you get
used to it.  I'm not about to cary a separate keyboard with me.


-------------------------------------------
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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marc Workman
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:43 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

I'm using an apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone, and the keyboard is 
approximately one foot long and six inches wide.  I haven't actually seen a 
Blackberry keyboard, but I can't imagine that its keyboard is anywhere near 
the same size.

A friendly suggestion, there are other, better places to find out about the 
experience of blind people using an iPhone.  Check out Apple Vis
http://applevis.com/

or check out the Apple site on accessibility
www.apple.com/accessibility


regards,

Marc
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From: "Daniel K. Beitz" <dbeitz at wiennergould.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard


> Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't 
> be
> afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
> three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
> doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
> need to read the write-up on the apple website.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
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> Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>
> How big is this keyboard?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shannon
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
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> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted 
> information
> on the program a while back on this.
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>
> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
>
>
>
> Shannon Geihsler
>
>
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
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From mworkman.lists at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 18:13:53 2010
From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:13:53 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <1A9735AC84D44FD2A1CB10F754F0EDCD@DHRL6TC1>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov><ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945><E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop><B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1><6C1D63F383854780A0AD7F58440700AD@MarcPC>
	<1A9735AC84D44FD2A1CB10F754F0EDCD@DHRL6TC1>
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Ah, what through me was the fact that the subject line said Apple Bluetooth 
Keyboard.  Well, it originally said Applie Bluetooth Keyboard, but you know 
what I mean.

I typically use the on screen keyboard as well.  But if you are writing 
anything more than a few sentences, for example, keeping this on topic with 
the list, if you're taking notes during a deposition or doing whatever it is 
lawyers do, then you aren't going to want to use the on screen keyboard. 
Nor, of course, would you want to use a Blackberry for this either, but you 
might actually find this sort of activity easy and convenient on the Apple's 
bluetooth keyboard.  And though it means carrying around the keyboard, it is 
much much lighter than any laptop, netbook, or note taking device.

So it really depends on how much writing you want to do on the device.

And, Shannon, no sight is required to operate the device, but it does have 
magnification capabilities built in for people who can use such a feature.

Regards,

Marc

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To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard


> My comparison was between the qwerty keyboard on the blackberry, and the
> small keyboard on the apple touch screen.  I too have used the Bluetooth
> keyboard, but find it pretty easy to use the on-screen keyboard once you 
> get
> used to it.  I'm not about to cary a separate keyboard with me.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
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> Behalf Of Marc Workman
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:43 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
>
> I'm using an apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone, and the keyboard is
> approximately one foot long and six inches wide.  I haven't actually seen 
> a
> Blackberry keyboard, but I can't imagine that its keyboard is anywhere 
> near
> the same size.
>
> A friendly suggestion, there are other, better places to find out about 
> the
> experience of blind people using an iPhone.  Check out Apple Vis
> http://applevis.com/
>
> or check out the Apple site on accessibility
> www.apple.com/accessibility
>
>
> regards,
>
> Marc
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Daniel K. Beitz" <dbeitz at wiennergould.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>
>
>> Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't
>> be
>> afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
>> three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
>> doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
>> need to read the write-up on the apple website.
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------
>> Daniel K. Beitz
>> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
>> Rochester, MI  48307
>> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
>> Fax:  (248) 652-2729
>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com
>>
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>> us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning
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>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>>
>> How big is this keyboard?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
>> Lubbock, TX 79401
>> Phone: 763-3999
>> Fax: 749-3752
>>
>> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
>> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
>> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
>> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
>> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>>
>> Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted
>> information
>> on the program a while back on this.
>> Blaine
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>>
>>
>> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
>> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
>> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
>> worked out from the initial release.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>>
>> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
>> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
>> of
>> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Shannon Geihsler
>>
>>
>>
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>> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Tue Dec  7 18:42:35 2010
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 12:42:35 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F60699AE06@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov>
Message-ID: <auto-000025877390@mailback1.g2host.com>

Tim,

If you have received any responses to your question, I didn't see them so am chiming in.  While I am a Window-Eyes user, I do try to maintain familiarity with 
JFW and believe that my comments here will fit.  It is my understanding that the latest version of JFW will work with Office 2010 and with Windows 7.  What 
you need to keep in mind, though, is that there are differences in both Windows 7 and Office 2007 and 2010 that will mean that you need to do some 
learning as you move from Windows XP and Office 2003.  You may also have decisions to make.

In office 2007 and 2010, Microsoft changed their traditional menus to use what they call a ribbon.  While the ribbon is completely accessible, it does change 
the keystrokes that you may be used to to make certain things happen.  In some cases, it takes more keystrokes and they are not always very obvious.  
Some say they get used to it quickly and others not.  JFW has come out with something that is supposed to make the ribbon look like the old menus.  You 
may find this useful, but I think there are questions that one might want to ask before going that route.  Do you work in an office setting where you 
exchange information with co-workers as to how to do various tasks?  If you do, you are going to be best served by simply learning the ribbon so you have a 
common reference point.  You will also want to know how the JFW menu approach affects keystrokes.  If it recreates the old keystrokes, that might be 
handy but it means that any Office help or other documents that refer to keystrokes will be incorrect.  I do not have experience with this so I don't know how 
it works.  You will also want to know if every function on the ribbon is duplicated in JFW's menu, and if not, how do you get to it.  Again, there may be good 
answers to this, too.

Regarding Windows 7, it won't seem completely new, but some things are different such as the "Start menu."  If you tend to add shortcuts to your desktop 
and run them from there, you will notice little difference.  If you use the Start Menu, you'll find that it works quite a bit differently.  Many Windows 7 processes 
including the "start menu" have a search box that lets you type in something and have matching entries displayed.  This works surprisingly well in my 
experience, and if you use the start menu, you might come to like this approach rather than always arrowing all over.

If your office is upgrading, I believe that it is stable enough for you to upgrade.  You will want to make the move sometime and the need to get through the 
learning curve won't be any easier in a year or two.  <smile>

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:14:03 -0800, Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS) wrote:

>My office will soon be switching from Windows XP and Office 2003, all
>the way to Windows 7 and Office 2010.  I use JAWS, and was wondering if
>anyone out there is using JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010?  If yes,
>how well does JAWS work?  Please respond only if this applies to your
>situation.

>Sincerely,
>Tim Ford


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Dec  7 18:56:43 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:56:43 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES
In-Reply-To: <AA91CA5D3FBB40BEB5C7FE07A1841AF3@valtd>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1><942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
	<AD845316-535A-4CD8-A173-0B918EB63B2D@gmail.com>
	<AA91CA5D3FBB40BEB5C7FE07A1841AF3@valtd>
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B82C3B672@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

You might try calling the law offices of Scott LaBarre at (303) 504-5979.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:45 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES

Hi Everyone:

Anyone knows of an attorney in the Denver area that takes cases relating to 
disability and Social Security?  If yes, I'd apreciate names and contact 
phone numbers.  This enquiry is for a friend, much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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From rthomas at emplmntattorney.com  Tue Dec  7 19:13:53 2010
From: rthomas at emplmntattorney.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:13:53 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <auto-000025877390@mailback1.g2host.com>
References: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F60699AE06@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov>
	<auto-000025877390@mailback1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <D45A242D1B9F408293CE3EF9DF6BCC58@RThomas>


If everyone in your office is switching to Windows 7 and Office 2010, simply
from the standpoint of document compatibility, you will probably need to use
these programs. 

I have found trying to use the ribbon a bit challenging to say the least;
however, my sentiments in this regard are shared by many of my sighted
friends. One good feature of Jaws 12, is the virtual ribbon.  Once you have
some idea of the concept of the ribbon, the virtual ribbon feature is a big
help.

You can also download keystrokes for Office 2010 from the Microsoft website.
I have found this very helpful.

If you read Braille, get a list of the keystrokes embossed in Braille, so
you can look them up without leaving whatever documents you might be working
on.  



Respectfully,

 

Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101

Newport Beach, California 92660                             

T: (949) 752-0101                             

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:43 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010

Tim,

If you have received any responses to your question, I didn't see them so am
chiming in.  While I am a Window-Eyes user, I do try to maintain familiarity
with 
JFW and believe that my comments here will fit.  It is my understanding that
the latest version of JFW will work with Office 2010 and with Windows 7.
What 
you need to keep in mind, though, is that there are differences in both
Windows 7 and Office 2007 and 2010 that will mean that you need to do some 
learning as you move from Windows XP and Office 2003.  You may also have
decisions to make.

In office 2007 and 2010, Microsoft changed their traditional menus to use
what they call a ribbon.  While the ribbon is completely accessible, it does
change 
the keystrokes that you may be used to to make certain things happen.  In
some cases, it takes more keystrokes and they are not always very obvious.  
Some say they get used to it quickly and others not.  JFW has come out with
something that is supposed to make the ribbon look like the old menus.  You 
may find this useful, but I think there are questions that one might want to
ask before going that route.  Do you work in an office setting where you 
exchange information with co-workers as to how to do various tasks?  If you
do, you are going to be best served by simply learning the ribbon so you
have a 
common reference point.  You will also want to know how the JFW menu
approach affects keystrokes.  If it recreates the old keystrokes, that might
be 
handy but it means that any Office help or other documents that refer to
keystrokes will be incorrect.  I do not have experience with this so I don't
know how 
it works.  You will also want to know if every function on the ribbon is
duplicated in JFW's menu, and if not, how do you get to it.  Again, there
may be good 
answers to this, too.

Regarding Windows 7, it won't seem completely new, but some things are
different such as the "Start menu."  If you tend to add shortcuts to your
desktop 
and run them from there, you will notice little difference.  If you use the
Start Menu, you'll find that it works quite a bit differently.  Many Windows
7 processes 
including the "start menu" have a search box that lets you type in something
and have matching entries displayed.  This works surprisingly well in my 
experience, and if you use the start menu, you might come to like this
approach rather than always arrowing all over.

If your office is upgrading, I believe that it is stable enough for you to
upgrade.  You will want to make the move sometime and the need to get
through the 
learning curve won't be any easier in a year or two.  <smile>

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:14:03 -0800, Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS) wrote:

>My office will soon be switching from Windows XP and Office 2003, all
>the way to Windows 7 and Office 2010.  I use JAWS, and was wondering if
>anyone out there is using JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010?  If yes,
>how well does JAWS work?  Please respond only if this applies to your
>situation.

>Sincerely,
>Tim Ford


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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec  7 20:34:56 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:34:56 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1><942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop><AD845316-535A-4CD8-A173-0B918EB63B2D@gmail.com><AA91CA5D3FBB40BEB5C7FE07A1841AF3@valtd>
	<E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B82C3B672@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <02f501cb964e$36814c90$6601a8c0@server>

I concur with Noel, Call Scott.  He is in Denver, he is an excellent lawyer, 
and he has been doing this type of work for a long  time.
Good luck,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nightingale, Noel" <Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov>
To: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com>; 
"NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES


> You might try calling the law offices of Scott LaBarre at (303) 504-5979.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:45 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES
>
> Hi Everyone:
>
> Anyone knows of an attorney in the Denver area that takes cases relating 
> to
> disability and Social Security?  If yes, I'd apreciate names and contact
> phone numbers.  This enquiry is for a friend, much thanks!!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Tue Dec  7 20:42:12 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 14:42:12 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>
	<ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945>
	<E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <AB979D4EC32A4222979A80CD3F2A1B99@GPD945>

The keyboard is as large as the  phone. You can use it like a regular 
telephone numberPad with the letters or turn it on it's side with the home 
key to your left (something most people do when writing) to landescape and 
the keyboard is the entire length of the phone. If you go to AT&T they 
should be able to turn it on and let you play with the phone right in the 
store, that's what Rogers did for me.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:22 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard


How big is this keyboard?

Thanks,

Shannon

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted information
on the program a while back on this.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
worked out from the initial release.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!



Shannon Geihsler



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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  8 06:00:21 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:00:21 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to blind
Message-ID: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>

Court orders Ottawa to make websites accessible to blind 
Paola Loriggio 
Toronto- The Canadian Press (includes clarification) 
Published Monday, Nov. 29, 2010 1:21PM ESTLast updated Tuesday, Nov. 30, 2010 5:12PM 

The federal government is being ordered to make its websites accessible to visually impaired users - and the judge who issued the directive Monday says he'll be watching to make sure Ottawa follows through. 

Federal Court Justice Michael Kelen gave the government 15 months to update its websites after a blind Toronto woman said she was unable to apply for a public service job online. 

Donna Jodhan, a special-needs business consultant with a MBA, launched a constitutional challenge aiming to grant visually impaired people equal access to the services and information on several federal government websites. 

On Monday the court found the government "has not implemented existing accessibility standards and that some of the standards are obsolete." 

The court will monitor the government's progress in making the change, Judge Kelen said in the decision. 

David Baker, Ms. Jodhan's lawyer, said it's "extremely rare" for the court to follow a case so closely after making a decision. 

"Historically, courts have declared when there is a charter violation based on the assumption that the government will bring itself into compliance," he said. 

In this case, the court may compel the government to disclose what it has done to make the sites more accessible, likely through internal audits, Mr. Baker added. 

What's more, Ms. Jodhan can "force the matter back into court" if Ottawa doesn't co-operate, he said. 

The ruling is a "shot in the arm" for the blind and sight-impaired community, said Ms. Jodhan, who added it's a sign that people shouldn't be afraid to stand up for their rights. 

"In the case of the mainstream community, I think it will certainly help build awareness as far as why it's so important for blind and sight-impaired Canadians to be able to independently access their own information on government websites," she said. 

Government lawyers had argued there was no discrimination because those same services are provided in other formats, such as on the phone, in person or by mail. 

"We are continuing to look at ways to make information more accessible to all Canadians," Jay Denney, spokesman for the Treasury Board, said in an e-mail Monday. The Treasury Board is responsible for enforcing accessibility standards. 

Jutta Treviranus, director of the University of Toronto's Adaptative Technology Resource Centre and one of the experts involved in the case, said the decision will save taxpayers money in the long run. 

"If you think about how the incidence of disability in Canada is increasing as we age, and so it'll become a much more important thing as the years progress, and the earlier we do it, the less it will cost," she said. 

With more and more government services moving online, it's easier to make them accessible from the start than to retrofit them all later, she said, adding that government staff already have much of the technical tools and know-how they need to take action. 

Ms. Jodhan, who has been blind since birth, filed the challenge in 2007 after struggling through several attempts to apply for government positions through the job bank website. 

She also had problems accessing data on the Statistics Canada website, filling out an online census form, and viewing information on the Canada Pension Plan on the Service Canada website. 

Despite her extensive technological training - she won four awards from IBM for technical initiatives - Ms. Jodhan found herself relying on sighted individuals to help her navigate the sites, or on government employees to provide accurate information in a timely manner, she said in an affidavit. 

Many blind people use screen readers, computer software that translates electronic text into audio. But the readers aren't foolproof - for one thing, some can't decipher interactive web applications such as the government's ePass web portal. 

In 2001 the government adopted a web protocol known as the Common Look and Feel Standard, which requires government department websites to be designed and programmed to ensure they can be accessed by visually impaired users. 

The Treasury Board conducted a spot audit of 47 of the 146 federal departments in 2007 and found that none complied with the standard. No follow-up information was presented in court. 

The federal government's chief information officer, Ken Cochrane, told the court each department was responsible for implementing the standard. 

The court ruled that Ottawa must update the standard to make interactive applications accessible. 

It also found that visually impaired people are disadvantaged by having to obtain the information available online through other means, such as the phone or mail. 

The court also determined Ms. Jodhan's legal fees should be reimbursed because the case was in the public interest. 

Editor's note: An earlier version of this Canadian Press story that was online and in Tuesday's Globe and Mail reported that most screen readers (computer software that translates electronic text into audio for the visually impaired) cannot decipher PDF files. That statement was based on arguments made in Federal Court in Donna Jodhan's constitutional challenge against the federal government. However, a spokesman for Adobe Systems, the creator of PDF file technology, says that at present, and in 2007 when Ms. Jodhan initiated her case, most screen readers can read PDF files. 

© 2010 CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc. All Rights Reserved.

The complete ruling can be found here
http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-1190-07%20decision%20ENG%2029-11-2010.htm

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec  8 13:27:10 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:27:10 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty  office job postings
Message-ID: <E295E9DB4BC5483D9A0549C32292BFDD@none8a46117901>

  * DEPUTY CHIEF, GS-905-15 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION HUMAN RIGHTS AND SPECIAL PROSECUTIONS SECTION WASHINGTON, D.C. 11-CRM-HRSP-009The position is open until filled but applications must be received by the Section no later than December 24, 2010. [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-11-crm-hrsp-009.htm ] 
  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE Attorney Advisor, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 11-EOUSA-003 OPEN: 12/07/2010 CLOSE: 12/24/2010.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-11-eousa003.htm ] 

"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure."

- - - Mark Twain 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec  8 13:37:51 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:37:51 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] For fun...
Message-ID: <2DFD0CE75B4E454D9A85DFAB128515AC@none8a46117901>

Holiday cooking/eating tips:

1. If you eat standing up, it won't go to your hips.

 

2. If it has been liquified, all of the calories are out of it.

 

3. Do NOT use a clothes dryer to thaw out a frozen turkey. 

(that was from my wife - but hey, the turkey gets thawed out, the meat is pre-tenderized and if you take it out of the dryer right when the cycle is done, there are no unsightly wrinkles in it, and it is ready to just pop into the oven. If you close the door to the laundry room during the "thawing process" , the noise isn't all that bad - besides, nobody will see the dents on the inside of the dryer. 

(Rachel Ray, eat your heart out)

 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rthomas at emplmntattorney.com  Wed Dec  8 14:56:25 2010
From: rthomas at emplmntattorney.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 06:56:25 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to
	blind
In-Reply-To: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>
References: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>
Message-ID: <DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas>

Suggestion: Set up articles like this so that they can be shared on Twitter.


Respectfully,

 

Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101

Newport Beach, California 92660                             

T: (949) 752-0101                             

F: (949) 257-4756

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:00 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to
blind

Court orders Ottawa to make websites accessible to blind 
Paola Loriggio 
Toronto- The Canadian Press (includes clarification) 
Published Monday, Nov. 29, 2010 1:21PM ESTLast updated Tuesday, Nov. 30,
2010 5:12PM 

The federal government is being ordered to make its websites accessible to
visually impaired users - and the judge who issued the directive Monday says
he'll be watching to make sure Ottawa follows through. 

Federal Court Justice Michael Kelen gave the government 15 months to update
its websites after a blind Toronto woman said she was unable to apply for a
public service job online. 

Donna Jodhan, a special-needs business consultant with a MBA, launched a
constitutional challenge aiming to grant visually impaired people equal
access to the services and information on several federal government
websites. 

On Monday the court found the government "has not implemented existing
accessibility standards and that some of the standards are obsolete." 

The court will monitor the government's progress in making the change, Judge
Kelen said in the decision. 

David Baker, Ms. Jodhan's lawyer, said it's "extremely rare" for the court
to follow a case so closely after making a decision. 

"Historically, courts have declared when there is a charter violation based
on the assumption that the government will bring itself into compliance," he
said. 

In this case, the court may compel the government to disclose what it has
done to make the sites more accessible, likely through internal audits, Mr.
Baker added. 

What's more, Ms. Jodhan can "force the matter back into court" if Ottawa
doesn't co-operate, he said. 

The ruling is a "shot in the arm" for the blind and sight-impaired
community, said Ms. Jodhan, who added it's a sign that people shouldn't be
afraid to stand up for their rights. 

"In the case of the mainstream community, I think it will certainly help
build awareness as far as why it's so important for blind and sight-impaired
Canadians to be able to independently access their own information on
government websites," she said. 

Government lawyers had argued there was no discrimination because those same
services are provided in other formats, such as on the phone, in person or
by mail. 

"We are continuing to look at ways to make information more accessible to
all Canadians," Jay Denney, spokesman for the Treasury Board, said in an
e-mail Monday. The Treasury Board is responsible for enforcing accessibility
standards. 

Jutta Treviranus, director of the University of Toronto's Adaptative
Technology Resource Centre and one of the experts involved in the case, said
the decision will save taxpayers money in the long run. 

"If you think about how the incidence of disability in Canada is increasing
as we age, and so it'll become a much more important thing as the years
progress, and the earlier we do it, the less it will cost," she said. 

With more and more government services moving online, it's easier to make
them accessible from the start than to retrofit them all later, she said,
adding that government staff already have much of the technical tools and
know-how they need to take action. 

Ms. Jodhan, who has been blind since birth, filed the challenge in 2007
after struggling through several attempts to apply for government positions
through the job bank website. 

She also had problems accessing data on the Statistics Canada website,
filling out an online census form, and viewing information on the Canada
Pension Plan on the Service Canada website. 

Despite her extensive technological training - she won four awards from IBM
for technical initiatives - Ms. Jodhan found herself relying on sighted
individuals to help her navigate the sites, or on government employees to
provide accurate information in a timely manner, she said in an affidavit. 

Many blind people use screen readers, computer software that translates
electronic text into audio. But the readers aren't foolproof - for one
thing, some can't decipher interactive web applications such as the
government's ePass web portal. 

In 2001 the government adopted a web protocol known as the Common Look and
Feel Standard, which requires government department websites to be designed
and programmed to ensure they can be accessed by visually impaired users. 

The Treasury Board conducted a spot audit of 47 of the 146 federal
departments in 2007 and found that none complied with the standard. No
follow-up information was presented in court. 

The federal government's chief information officer, Ken Cochrane, told the
court each department was responsible for implementing the standard. 

The court ruled that Ottawa must update the standard to make interactive
applications accessible. 

It also found that visually impaired people are disadvantaged by having to
obtain the information available online through other means, such as the
phone or mail. 

The court also determined Ms. Jodhan's legal fees should be reimbursed
because the case was in the public interest. 

Editor's note: An earlier version of this Canadian Press story that was
online and in Tuesday's Globe and Mail reported that most screen readers
(computer software that translates electronic text into audio for the
visually impaired) cannot decipher PDF files. That statement was based on
arguments made in Federal Court in Donna Jodhan's constitutional challenge
against the federal government. However, a spokesman for Adobe Systems, the
creator of PDF file technology, says that at present, and in 2007 when Ms.
Jodhan initiated her case, most screen readers can read PDF files. 

C 2010 CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc. All Rights Reserved.

The complete ruling can be found here
http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-1190-07%20decision%20ENG%2029-11-
2010.htm
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  8 18:48:31 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:48:31 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible
	toblind
References: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>
	<DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas>
Message-ID: <03b501cb9708$835db480$6601a8c0@server>

Hi Russell,
I must confess that I don't understand how twitter actually works.  Can 
entire articles be posted on twitter?  I had heard about tweets on twitter 
but I thought these were small single line messages with very limited space. 
If you could bring me up to speed it would be appreciated.
Best,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr." <rthomas at emplmntattorney.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible 
toblind


> Suggestion: Set up articles like this so that they can be shared on 
> Twitter.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Russell J. Thomas, Jr.
>
> Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr.
>
> 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101
>
> Newport Beach, California 92660
>
> T: (949) 752-0101
>
> F: (949) 257-4756
>
> M: (949) 466-7238
>
> www.emplmnattorney.com
>
> Follow me on Twitter:  EmplmntAttorney
>
>
>
> PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS, EFF. 6/1/2010:
> RTHOMAS at EMPLMNTATTORNEY.COM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:00 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to
> blind
>
> Court orders Ottawa to make websites accessible to blind
> Paola Loriggio
> Toronto- The Canadian Press (includes clarification)
> Published Monday, Nov. 29, 2010 1:21PM ESTLast updated Tuesday, Nov. 30,
> 2010 5:12PM
>
> The federal government is being ordered to make its websites accessible to
> visually impaired users - and the judge who issued the directive Monday 
> says
> he'll be watching to make sure Ottawa follows through.
>
> Federal Court Justice Michael Kelen gave the government 15 months to 
> update
> its websites after a blind Toronto woman said she was unable to apply for 
> a
> public service job online.
>
> Donna Jodhan, a special-needs business consultant with a MBA, launched a
> constitutional challenge aiming to grant visually impaired people equal
> access to the services and information on several federal government
> websites.
>
> On Monday the court found the government "has not implemented existing
> accessibility standards and that some of the standards are obsolete."
>
> The court will monitor the government's progress in making the change, 
> Judge
> Kelen said in the decision.
>
> David Baker, Ms. Jodhan's lawyer, said it's "extremely rare" for the court
> to follow a case so closely after making a decision.
>
> "Historically, courts have declared when there is a charter violation 
> based
> on the assumption that the government will bring itself into compliance," 
> he
> said.
>
> In this case, the court may compel the government to disclose what it has
> done to make the sites more accessible, likely through internal audits, 
> Mr.
> Baker added.
>
> What's more, Ms. Jodhan can "force the matter back into court" if Ottawa
> doesn't co-operate, he said.
>
> The ruling is a "shot in the arm" for the blind and sight-impaired
> community, said Ms. Jodhan, who added it's a sign that people shouldn't be
> afraid to stand up for their rights.
>
> "In the case of the mainstream community, I think it will certainly help
> build awareness as far as why it's so important for blind and 
> sight-impaired
> Canadians to be able to independently access their own information on
> government websites," she said.
>
> Government lawyers had argued there was no discrimination because those 
> same
> services are provided in other formats, such as on the phone, in person or
> by mail.
>
> "We are continuing to look at ways to make information more accessible to
> all Canadians," Jay Denney, spokesman for the Treasury Board, said in an
> e-mail Monday. The Treasury Board is responsible for enforcing 
> accessibility
> standards.
>
> Jutta Treviranus, director of the University of Toronto's Adaptative
> Technology Resource Centre and one of the experts involved in the case, 
> said
> the decision will save taxpayers money in the long run.
>
> "If you think about how the incidence of disability in Canada is 
> increasing
> as we age, and so it'll become a much more important thing as the years
> progress, and the earlier we do it, the less it will cost," she said.
>
> With more and more government services moving online, it's easier to make
> them accessible from the start than to retrofit them all later, she said,
> adding that government staff already have much of the technical tools and
> know-how they need to take action.
>
> Ms. Jodhan, who has been blind since birth, filed the challenge in 2007
> after struggling through several attempts to apply for government 
> positions
> through the job bank website.
>
> She also had problems accessing data on the Statistics Canada website,
> filling out an online census form, and viewing information on the Canada
> Pension Plan on the Service Canada website.
>
> Despite her extensive technological training - she won four awards from 
> IBM
> for technical initiatives - Ms. Jodhan found herself relying on sighted
> individuals to help her navigate the sites, or on government employees to
> provide accurate information in a timely manner, she said in an affidavit.
>
> Many blind people use screen readers, computer software that translates
> electronic text into audio. But the readers aren't foolproof - for one
> thing, some can't decipher interactive web applications such as the
> government's ePass web portal.
>
> In 2001 the government adopted a web protocol known as the Common Look and
> Feel Standard, which requires government department websites to be 
> designed
> and programmed to ensure they can be accessed by visually impaired users.
>
> The Treasury Board conducted a spot audit of 47 of the 146 federal
> departments in 2007 and found that none complied with the standard. No
> follow-up information was presented in court.
>
> The federal government's chief information officer, Ken Cochrane, told the
> court each department was responsible for implementing the standard.
>
> The court ruled that Ottawa must update the standard to make interactive
> applications accessible.
>
> It also found that visually impaired people are disadvantaged by having to
> obtain the information available online through other means, such as the
> phone or mail.
>
> The court also determined Ms. Jodhan's legal fees should be reimbursed
> because the case was in the public interest.
>
> Editor's note: An earlier version of this Canadian Press story that was
> online and in Tuesday's Globe and Mail reported that most screen readers
> (computer software that translates electronic text into audio for the
> visually impaired) cannot decipher PDF files. That statement was based on
> arguments made in Federal Court in Donna Jodhan's constitutional challenge
> against the federal government. However, a spokesman for Adobe Systems, 
> the
> creator of PDF file technology, says that at present, and in 2007 when Ms.
> Jodhan initiated her case, most screen readers can read PDF files.
>
> C 2010 CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
> The complete ruling can be found here
> http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-1190-07%20decision%20ENG%2029-11-
> 2010.htm
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  8 19:17:35 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:17:35 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible
	toblind
In-Reply-To: <DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas>
References: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>
	<DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas>
Message-ID: <48634062727941CCA1C53EBC75FA75BD@spike>

not being a Twitter user I'm not sure how they should be set up.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr." <rthomas at emplmntattorney.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible 
toblind


> Suggestion: Set up articles like this so that they can be shared on 
> Twitter.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Russell J. Thomas, Jr.
>
> Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr.
>
> 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101
>
> Newport Beach, California 92660
>
> T: (949) 752-0101
>
> F: (949) 257-4756
>
> M: (949) 466-7238
>
> www.emplmnattorney.com
>
> Follow me on Twitter:  EmplmntAttorney
>
>
>
> PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS, EFF. 6/1/2010:
> RTHOMAS at EMPLMNTATTORNEY.COM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:00 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to
> blind
>
> Court orders Ottawa to make websites accessible to blind
> Paola Loriggio
> Toronto- The Canadian Press (includes clarification)
> Published Monday, Nov. 29, 2010 1:21PM ESTLast updated Tuesday, Nov. 30,
> 2010 5:12PM
>
> The federal government is being ordered to make its websites accessible to
> visually impaired users - and the judge who issued the directive Monday 
> says
> he'll be watching to make sure Ottawa follows through.
>
> Federal Court Justice Michael Kelen gave the government 15 months to 
> update
> its websites after a blind Toronto woman said she was unable to apply for 
> a
> public service job online.
>
> Donna Jodhan, a special-needs business consultant with a MBA, launched a
> constitutional challenge aiming to grant visually impaired people equal
> access to the services and information on several federal government
> websites.
>
> On Monday the court found the government "has not implemented existing
> accessibility standards and that some of the standards are obsolete."
>
> The court will monitor the government's progress in making the change, 
> Judge
> Kelen said in the decision.
>
> David Baker, Ms. Jodhan's lawyer, said it's "extremely rare" for the court
> to follow a case so closely after making a decision.
>
> "Historically, courts have declared when there is a charter violation 
> based
> on the assumption that the government will bring itself into compliance," 
> he
> said.
>
> In this case, the court may compel the government to disclose what it has
> done to make the sites more accessible, likely through internal audits, 
> Mr.
> Baker added.
>
> What's more, Ms. Jodhan can "force the matter back into court" if Ottawa
> doesn't co-operate, he said.
>
> The ruling is a "shot in the arm" for the blind and sight-impaired
> community, said Ms. Jodhan, who added it's a sign that people shouldn't be
> afraid to stand up for their rights.
>
> "In the case of the mainstream community, I think it will certainly help
> build awareness as far as why it's so important for blind and 
> sight-impaired
> Canadians to be able to independently access their own information on
> government websites," she said.
>
> Government lawyers had argued there was no discrimination because those 
> same
> services are provided in other formats, such as on the phone, in person or
> by mail.
>
> "We are continuing to look at ways to make information more accessible to
> all Canadians," Jay Denney, spokesman for the Treasury Board, said in an
> e-mail Monday. The Treasury Board is responsible for enforcing 
> accessibility
> standards.
>
> Jutta Treviranus, director of the University of Toronto's Adaptative
> Technology Resource Centre and one of the experts involved in the case, 
> said
> the decision will save taxpayers money in the long run.
>
> "If you think about how the incidence of disability in Canada is 
> increasing
> as we age, and so it'll become a much more important thing as the years
> progress, and the earlier we do it, the less it will cost," she said.
>
> With more and more government services moving online, it's easier to make
> them accessible from the start than to retrofit them all later, she said,
> adding that government staff already have much of the technical tools and
> know-how they need to take action.
>
> Ms. Jodhan, who has been blind since birth, filed the challenge in 2007
> after struggling through several attempts to apply for government 
> positions
> through the job bank website.
>
> She also had problems accessing data on the Statistics Canada website,
> filling out an online census form, and viewing information on the Canada
> Pension Plan on the Service Canada website.
>
> Despite her extensive technological training - she won four awards from 
> IBM
> for technical initiatives - Ms. Jodhan found herself relying on sighted
> individuals to help her navigate the sites, or on government employees to
> provide accurate information in a timely manner, she said in an affidavit.
>
> Many blind people use screen readers, computer software that translates
> electronic text into audio. But the readers aren't foolproof - for one
> thing, some can't decipher interactive web applications such as the
> government's ePass web portal.
>
> In 2001 the government adopted a web protocol known as the Common Look and
> Feel Standard, which requires government department websites to be 
> designed
> and programmed to ensure they can be accessed by visually impaired users.
>
> The Treasury Board conducted a spot audit of 47 of the 146 federal
> departments in 2007 and found that none complied with the standard. No
> follow-up information was presented in court.
>
> The federal government's chief information officer, Ken Cochrane, told the
> court each department was responsible for implementing the standard.
>
> The court ruled that Ottawa must update the standard to make interactive
> applications accessible.
>
> It also found that visually impaired people are disadvantaged by having to
> obtain the information available online through other means, such as the
> phone or mail.
>
> The court also determined Ms. Jodhan's legal fees should be reimbursed
> because the case was in the public interest.
>
> Editor's note: An earlier version of this Canadian Press story that was
> online and in Tuesday's Globe and Mail reported that most screen readers
> (computer software that translates electronic text into audio for the
> visually impaired) cannot decipher PDF files. That statement was based on
> arguments made in Federal Court in Donna Jodhan's constitutional challenge
> against the federal government. However, a spokesman for Adobe Systems, 
> the
> creator of PDF file technology, says that at present, and in 2007 when Ms.
> Jodhan initiated her case, most screen readers can read PDF files.
>
> C 2010 CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
> The complete ruling can be found here
> http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-1190-07%20decision%20ENG%2029-11-
> 2010.htm
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec  8 23:01:45 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:01:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney office job posting
Message-ID: <9D493F89FE9147CCA3140EF089B0EB14@none8a46117901>

  * VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY (CRIMINAL) UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF MARYLAND SOUTHERN (GREENBELT) DIVISION ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 11-MD-01 This announcement will close on December 29, 2010; therefore, resumes, cover letters and transcripts must be e-mailed or received by the closing date.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-md-01.htm ] 

        "He is a self-made man and worships his creator."  John Bright   


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec  9 18:26:36 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:26:36 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Office job Posting
Message-ID: <CF737CE72CAF4B4180467A9D5B86F6B8@none8a46117901>

  * CHIEF COUNSEL (GS-0905-15)ORGANIZED CRIME DRUG ENFORCEMENT TASK FORCES (OCDETF) UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, DC VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 11-JMD-OCDETF-001 This vacancy announcement will remain open until January 7, 2011.  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/vacant-ofcchiefcounsel.htm ] 

"Never play leapfrog with a Unicorn"

Author unknown


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec  9 23:22:45 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:22:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S.  Attorney Office Job postings
Message-ID: <3A7C9350A1D447D4B30C9B75030732BB@none8a46117901>

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, CRIMINAL SECTION SENIOR SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, GS-0905-15 CLOSING DATE: DECEMBER 30, 2010 10-ATT-036 [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-036.htm ] 

  * U.S.DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, POLICY AND STRATEGY SECTION CHIEF, POLICY AND STRATEGY SECTION, GS-0905-15 CLOSING DATE: DECEMBER 30, 2010 10-ATT-034 [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-034.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec 14 00:07:38 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:07:38 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. attorney office postings
Message-ID: <51C06C6C415E4FA6B700CA297427035C@none8a46117901>

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK 11-WDNY-002 Applications will be accepted until the position is filled, with a first cut-off date of January 7, 2011. Selections may be made from applications received by Friday, January 7, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-wdny-002.htm ] 

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF MAINE VACANCY NUMBER: 2010-ME-03 Position is open until filled. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/vacancyannouncement.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Dec 14 11:32:19 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 05:32:19 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible	to
 blind
In-Reply-To: <03b501cb9708$835db480$6601a8c0@server>
References: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>
	<DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas>
	<03b501cb9708$835db480$6601a8c0@server>
Message-ID: <auto-000182254641@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Yes, Tweets are limited to 140 characters in length or less.  What 
most do is include a link to whole article.

At 12:48 PM 12/8/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Russell,
>I must confess that I don't understand how twitter actually 
>works.  Can entire articles be posted on twitter?  I had heard about 
>tweets on twitter but I thought these were small single line 
>messages with very limited space. If you could bring me up to speed 
>it would be appreciated.
>Best,
>Dennis
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr." 
><rthomas at emplmntattorney.com>
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:56 AM
>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites 
>accessible toblind
>
>
>>Suggestion: Set up articles like this so that they can be shared on Twitter.
>>
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>>Russell J. Thomas, Jr.



From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue Dec 14 16:12:00 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:12:00 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: [DRBA] Disability Rights Attorney Position Opening
	at American Diabetes Association
Message-ID: <23B3F13A49784CBCB4EFDD9B83AC3445@labarre>


Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
303 504-5979 (voice)
303 757-3640 (fax)
slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
www.labarrelaw.com (website)

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gary Gross 
To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:39 AM
Subject: [DRBA] Disability Rights Attorney Position Opening at American Diabetes Association



The American Diabetes Association is seeking to fill an ADA – Novo Nordisk staff attorney position (to work at our home office in Alexandria, VA).  The position plays a critical role in our legal advocacy program -- which fights discrimination against children and adults with diabetes. Our efforts are particularly focused on employment and school issues, but also address access to medical care in correctional institutions and public accommodations and improper police treatment of people with diabetes. The staff attorney will provide information and resources to workers, families of schoolchildren, inmates and their families, attorneys and others – and will work with them to develop strategies to combat discrimination.  



This is a great opportunity to work on a variety of challenging legal projects and to improve the lives of people affected by diabetes. 



Recent law school graduates as well as experienced attorneys are welcome to apply. 




For more information and instructions on applying, please see the job announcement on our website at http://careers.diabetes.org/job_detail.asp?JobID=2218644&user_id 



To learn more about our legal advocacy program, see www.diabetes.org/discrimination.  





Also, please see the current issue of our newsletter at http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/know-your-rights/for-lawyers/legal-advocacy-update.html 



Please distribute this notice to anyone you believe would be interested in this opportunity.



Thanks




Gary Gross

Director, Legal Advocacy

American Diabetes Association


REMINDER: The DRBA listserv is intended to facilitate open discussion and sharing of ideas. Members need to feel confident that their discussions will not be distributed beyond the group unnecessarily. PLEASE CONSULT WITH THE SENDER(S) BEFORE FORWARDING ANY LISTSERV DISCUSSIONS BEYOND THE DRBA GROUP. 

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec 14 16:47:27 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:47:27 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney office postings
Message-ID: <56D7011FDF0E4614B3956D67778DD52D@none8a46117901>

Two new ones today-

  * IMMIGRATION JUDGE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION REVIEW IMMIGRATION COURT, YORK, PENNSYLVANIA VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: EOIR-11-0067 1 POSITION Applications received after 01/04/2011 will not be considered. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-eoir-11-0067.htm ] 

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS DALLAS, TEXAS DECEMBER 14, 2010 - DECEMBER 28, 2010 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT #11-NDTX-AUSA-D03 (13-MONTH TERM APPOINTMENT) Emailed applications must be received by 11:59pm December 28, 2010. Hand-Delivered applications must be received by 5:00pm December 28, 2010. Mailed applications must be postmarked by December 28, 2010. [
 http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-ndtx-ausa-d03.htm ]


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec 14 23:05:59 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:05:59 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Job Postings
Message-ID: <3D94FDDF9FF14B4CB79D6E122E83808F@none8a46117901>

2 additional postings for today
      * UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA December 14, 2010 11-EDCA-08A This position will be open until filled; however, applications received by Wednesday, December 22, 2010, will be given first consideration.  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-usao-11-edca-08a.htm ] 

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE OF LEGAL AND VICTIM PROGRAMS (OLVP) Supervisory Attorney Advisor, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 11-EOUSA-004 Open: 12/14/2010 Close: 12/28/2010 [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-eousa-11-eousa-004.htm ] 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 15 00:54:21 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:54:21 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Trust Account Scam Warning
Message-ID: <1f7601cb9bf2$9c7cb300$6601a8c0@server>

Hello friends,
I just received the following from the attorney registration department in Illinois, and it contains some valuable reading for all attorneys.  
Enjoy,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: seminars at iardc.org 
To: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: Trust Account Scam Warning











E-Mail Scams and Lawyer Trust Accounts



Internet fraud schemes are increasingly targeting lawyers and law firms and the banks where lawyers have their client trust accounts. While many of these scams appear outwardly questionable and, as a result, are usually ignored, there have been reported cases throughout the country where lawyers have fallen prey to these scams resulting in the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars out of their respective trust accounts.  See ABA Journal, Six Indicted in $32M Internet Collection Scam That Snagged 80 Lawyers (Nov. 22, 2010).  Scam artists can be persistent, creative and determined; their schemes can be elaborate and sophisticated. Lawyers should be aware that these scams are out there, to be alert to the possibility of fraud, and to proceed with caution and vigilance in dealing with potential clients whose only contact with the lawyer is via the Internet or who request legal representation that requires the use of the lawyer's or law firm's trust account to receive and disburse funds. There are many variations on how these schemes are set in motion but the motivation is the same: to get the lawyer to send them money. 



The Way it Works
The most common scenario involves an alleged overseas company that contacts a U.S. lawyer by e-mail and purports to retain that lawyer as a settlement agent to collect a debt from a debtor. “Client” tells lawyer that it is imperative that the lawyer wire the money as soon as possible after receiving it from the debtor. Lawyer then promptly receives a check from the purported debtor and deposits it into a trust account. Lawyer confirms with his/her bank that the money has been credited to the account and wires it as directed, minus the lawyer's fee, to the purported client. A few days later, bank tells the lawyer that the check is counterfeit. Bank debits the trust account for monies lost.

Red Flags
  a.. A prospective client e-mails the lawyer likely through a blast e-mail (e.g., addressed to “Dear Counselor” and vaguely refers to the lawyer's practice as “your jurisdiction”); 


  b.. The requested representation usually involves the collection of a debt or other obligation; 


  c.. One of the parties is out of the country; 


  d.. The debt or other obligation resolves itself quickly and easily without much effort by the lawyer; 


  e.. Lawyer receives what looks like a very convincing cashier’s or certified check (a bank may tell the lawyer that the instrument looks “good”) for deposit in the trust account; and 


  f.. "Client" wants the funds, minus the lawyer’s fee, immediately wire transferred to an out-of-the-country account. 
Avoiding the Scam
  a.. Wait for a check, even a cashier's or certified check, to clear before using the money; provisional credit by your bank is not sufficient. Although your financial institution may quickly make funds available or may tell you that the deposit has been credited to your account within a few days after the deposit (i.e., provisional credit), that does not mean that the check is good or has cleared through the original issuing institution. That can take many days. Sometimes it can take weeks to discover a very good forgery, and the check won't bounce until then. Therefore, verify the authenticity of the check with the issuing bank and confirm with your depository bank that the check has gone through the check clearing process. 


  b.. Be suspicious of a client who insists that you send funds by wire transfer or otherwise pressures you to act quickly before you know the payment you received is good. A lawyer who decides to wait for final clearance of a check, before disbursing funds, is acting properly and is not in violation of a lawyer's duty of prompt delivery of trust funds. 


  c.. Know with whom you are dealing before accepting the representation.  Take reasonable steps to verify that the “client” is who they say they are, particularly if there are generally no face-to-face communications with the client. Also, verify the information the prospective client provides concerning third parties or even a source of the referral to you. If you are dealing with a stranger, make sure you have that person's name, address and phone number, then verify those independently using reliable online directories or other third party sources. 


  d.. Your deposits are your responsibility. If you have deposited a check that then bounces, the bank may withdraw the original dollar amount credited to your trust account and it may result in the conversion of other clients' funds in your trust account. If your trust account does not have enough money to cover the deduction, the bank may freeze your trust account or the bank may sue you to recover the funds. See Wachovia Bank v. Bartko, No. 1:08-CV-2636 ( Ga.) 
If You Receive A Counterfeit Check
If you think that you have received a counterfeit check, do not deposit it; contact your bank.

In addition to contacting the appropriate bank, you may report:

·        Scams generally - Federal Trade Commission (FTC): by telephone at 1-877-FTC-HELP or file an electronic complaint via their Internet site at www.ftc.gov 



·        Internet-based scams - Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Internet Fraud Complaint Center at www.ic3.gov 



·        Mail-based scams - U.S. Postal Inspective Service by telephone at 1-888-877-7644, by mail at U.S. Postal Inspection Service, Office of Inspector General, Operations Support Group, 222 S. Riverside Plaza, Suite 1250, Chicago, IL 60606-6100 or via e-mail at https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/MailFraudComplaint.aspx 

If you have a complaint or problem involving a check written on or deposited in an account at a national bank, and you cannot resolve the problem with the bank, contact the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency’s Customer Assistance Group, by calling 800-613-6743 or by sending an e-mail to: customer.assistance at occ.treas.gov.

For further information and tips on recognizing and avoiding fake check scams, please go to: 

 

Comptroller of the Currency - http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/bulletin/2007-2.html; 

National Fraud Information Center - http://www.fraud.org/tips/internet/fakecheck.htm; 

Internet Crime Complaint Center - http://www.ic3.gov/crimeschemes.aspx; and 

Federal Bureau of Investigation - http://www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/fraudschemes.htm. 

 

This email is prepared by the ARDC to provide information on current developments of interest to the legal profession in Illinois and is intended to educate Illinois lawyers on their ethical duties.  Please do not reply to this email.

For general questions or concerns about the ethical responsibilities of lawyers in Illinois, please call the ARDC Ethics Inquiry Program at either of the ARDC’s offices at the telephone numbers listed below. Additional information about the ARDC Ethics Inquiry Program can be obtained at www.iardc.org/ethics.html. 

Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of Illinois (ARDC) 

Chicago Office
One Prudential Plaza
130 East Randolph Drive, Suite 1500
Chicago, IL 60601-6219
312/565-2600 or 800/826-8625

Springfield Office
One North Old Capitol Plaza, Suite 333
Springfield, Illinois 62701-1625
217/522-6838 or 800/252-8048

Web Site: www.iardc.org 

 

From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 15 01:32:14 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:32:14 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible	to
	blind
References: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike><DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas><03b501cb9708$835db480$6601a8c0@server>
	<auto-000182254641@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <1f8401cb9bf7$e7a049a0$6601a8c0@server>

Hi David,
That's really cool.  Is there some way then to click on the tweet and have 
it take you to the website?
Thanks,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to 
blind


> Yes, Tweets are limited to 140 characters in length or less.  What most do 
> is include a link to whole article.
>
> At 12:48 PM 12/8/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi Russell,
>>I must confess that I don't understand how twitter actually works.  Can 
>>entire articles be posted on twitter?  I had heard about tweets on twitter 
>>but I thought these were small single line messages with very limited 
>>space. If you could bring me up to speed it would be appreciated.
>>Best,
>>Dennis
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr." 
>><rthomas at emplmntattorney.com>
>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:56 AM
>>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible 
>>toblind
>>
>>
>>>Suggestion: Set up articles like this so that they can be shared on 
>>>Twitter.
>>>
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Russell J. Thomas, Jr.
>
>
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Dec 15 21:18:58 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:18:58 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B843BAD98@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:34 AM
To: jobs at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Jobs] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice



________________________________
From: Hunter, Sue (JMD) [mailto:Sue.Hunter at usdoj.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:41 PM
To: 'nedy at wyjlaw.com'; 'newmedia at ja.org'; 'neysas at dnfsb.gov'; Maurer, Patricia; 'nijc at aol.com'; 'nlove at opd.state.md.us'; 'nmcconnell at jackscamp.com'; 'noconnell at jackscamp.com'; 'noryrp at cox.net'; 'nowaczej at staff.abanet.org'; 'nromulus at gmail.com'; 'ntb at boglechang.com'; 'nwpatton at law.stanford.edu'; 'nwright at lockelord.com'; 'ocaaba at cox.net'; 'omanager at lawyerscomm.org'; 'padilla at ailc-inc.org'; 'palsd at hotmail.com'; 'patel at fr.com'; 'pchanster at yahoo.com'; 'pchapman at koonz.com'; 'petricha at staff.abanet.org'; 'pgodar at fbtlaw.com'; 'pgrewal at daycasebeer.com'; Maurer, Patricia; 'pmorrison at state.wv.us'; 'poppy.johnston at unlv.edu'; 'president at abaw.org'; 'president at adc.org'; 'president at apaba-dc.org'; 'president at apabala.org'; 'president at blackwomenlawyersla.org'; 'president at dominicanbarassociation.org'; 'president at mabl.org'; 'president at msba.org'; 'president at phillybarristers.org'; 'president at sabadc.org'; 'president at southasianbar.org'
Subject: FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice
To learn more about our attorneys and what they like most about working at DOJ, please visit our attorney profiles at, http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/profiles.htm, and the video clips of our attorneys and interns available at https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/ads/jobsatdojoarm/index.jsp
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Current Department of Justice Attorney Vacancies
*  UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA December 14, 2010 11-EDCA-08A This position will be open until filled; however, applications received by Wednesday, December 22, 2010, will be given first consideration. <http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-usao-11-edca-08a.htm>
Date posted: 12-14-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE OF LEGAL AND VICTIM PROGRAMS (OLVP) Supervisory Attorney Advisor, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 11-EOUSA-004 Open: 12/14/2010 Close: 12/28/2010<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-eousa-11-eousa-004.htm>
Date posted: 12-14-2010

*  IMMIGRATION JUDGE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION REVIEW IMMIGRATION COURT, YORK, PENNSYLVANIA VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: EOIR-11-0067 1 POSITION Applications received after 01/04/2011 will not be considered.<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-eoir-11-0067.htm>
Date posted: 12-14-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS DALLAS, TEXAS DECEMBER 14, 2010 - DECEMBER 28, 2010 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT #11-NDTX-AUSA-D03 (13-MONTH TERM APPOINTMENT) Emailed applications must be received by 11:59pm December 28, 2010. Hand-Delivered applications must be received by 5:00pm December 28, 2010. Mailed applications must be postmarked by December 28, 2010.<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-ndtx-ausa-d03.htm>
Date posted: 12-14-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK 11-WDNY-002 Applications will be accepted until the position is filled, with a first cut-off date of January 7, 2011. Selections may be made from applications received by Friday, January 7, 2011.<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-wdny-002.htm>
Date posted: 12-13-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF MAINE VACANCY NUMBER: 2010-ME-03 Position is open until filled.<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/vacancyannouncement.htm>
Date posted: 12-10-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, CRIMINAL SECTION SENIOR SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, GS-0905-15 CLOSING DATE: DECEMBER 30, 2010 10-ATT-036<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-036.htm>
Date posted: 12-09-2010

*  U.S.DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, POLICY AND STRATEGY SECTION CHIEF, POLICY AND STRATEGY SECTION, GS-0905-15 CLOSING DATE: JANUARY 11, 2011 10-ATT-034<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-034.htm>
Date posted: 12-09-2010

*  CHIEF COUNSEL (GS-0905-15)ORGANIZED CRIME DRUG ENFORCEMENT TASK FORCES (OCDETF) UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, DC VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 11-JMD-OCDETF-001 This vacancy announcement will remain open until January 7, 2011. <http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/vacant-ofcchiefcounsel.htm>
Date posted: 12-09-2010

*  VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY (CRIMINAL) UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF MARYLAND SOUTHERN (GREENBELT) DIVISION ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 11-MD-01 This announcement will close on December 29, 2010; therefore, resumes, cover letters and transcripts must be e-mailed or received by the closing date. <http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-md-01.htm>
Date posted: 12-08-2010

*  DEPUTY CHIEF, GS-905-15 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION HUMAN RIGHTS AND SPECIAL PROSECUTIONS SECTION WASHINGTON, D.C. 11-CRM-HRSP-009The position is open until filled but applications must be received by the Section no later than December 24, 2010. <http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-11-crm-hrsp-009.htm>
Date posted: 12-07-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE Attorney Advisor, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 11-EOUSA-003 OPEN: 12/07/2010 CLOSE: 12/24/2010 <http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-11-eousa003.htm>
Date posted: 12-07-2010





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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec 15 21:21:02 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:21:02 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Federal Atty Posting - Bur. of Prisons
Message-ID: <377403B82DA44295B461F6B3ED2CD649@none8a46117901>

  * FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS CONSOLIDATED LEGAL CENTER FEDERAL CORRECTIONAL COMPLEX YAZOO CITY, MISSISSIPPI CLC LEADER (SUPERVISORY ATTORNEY ADVISOR) GS-905-13/14 This position is open until filled but no later than December 22, 2010.**  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/yazoocity-attyanndec10.htm ] 

  * FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS OFFICE OF GENERAL COUNSEL LABOR LAW BRANCH ATTORNEY-ADVISOR GS-905-12/13/14 This position is open until filled, but no later than December 22, 2010.  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/llbattorneyanndec2010.htm ] 

"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
- - - André Gide 

 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec 16 13:56:10 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:56:10 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Job Postings
Message-ID: <054321463FCD440E9511B2C923B42701@none8a46117901>

This one is located in Florida - where its warm!!
***
  * FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS CONSOLIDATED LEGAL CENTER FEDERAL CORRECTIONAL COMPLEX COLEMAN, FLORIDA SUPERVISORY ATTORNEY ADVISOR GS-905-14 This position is open until filled, but no later than December 22, 2010. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/fbop-clc-coleman-fl.htm ] 


"The reason the all-American boy prefers beauty over brains is that the all-American boy can see better than he can think."

- - - Farrah Fawcett Majors 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec 16 22:44:34 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:44:34 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Job postings
Message-ID: <DEC493F73D7944D8A19DE05D2A4AC671@none8a46117901>

      * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF DELAWARE Position is open until 1/15/2011.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/ausa-de.htm ] 

"Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened."
- - - Winston Churchill 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From awebb2168 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 17 07:48:52 2010
From: awebb2168 at hotmail.com (Andrew Webb)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:48:52 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Guide dogs in the workplace
Message-ID: <SNT113-DS242946B18992758ADCD45CB1160@phx.gbl>

Hello -

 

I am seriously considering training for my first guide dog.  I wondered if
anyone in the white-collar professional world (law or otherwise) might have
any thoughts to share about the marriage of service animals to the
workplace?  I'm already fully aware of the legal right to bring guide dogs
to work as an accommodation.  Also, while I realize many people have strong
and varied opinions on the use of guide dogs from the standpoint of mobility
and independence, I'm not asking for those opinions here -- I've already
investigated the question at great length, and have concluded that for me
personally, a guide dog would be of significant help in my independent
travel.

 

My question, which I suppose can best be answered by guide dog users, is
whether there are any particular advantages or disadvantages/pitfalls in
using a dog as one negotiates a professional career.  Has anyone found
prospective employers to respond noticeably well, or else with discomfort,
to the presence of a guide dog during the interviewing/hiring process?  What
about reactions from co-workers on the job?  Has anyone ever felt that their
dog exposed them to unwanted scrutiny in their job, beyond that engendered
by the mere fact of being blind?

 

My own feeling is that a dog will help me to maneuver more confidently and
skillfully than I already do using my cane, and so I can only imagine that
this would be a positive in the workplace, just as it would in my personal
life.  But if anyone thinks that there might be professional downside that I
might not appreciate, I'm happy to get those thoughts.

 

Thanks.

 

Andrew Webb 

 


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Dec 17 16:04:48 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:04:48 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: [DRBA] Off topic - Disability Team Leader position -
	Dept. of Ed. OCR
Message-ID: <1BC676E3355F4EB381B2F73898705DF2@labarre>

FYI
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Eve L Hill 
To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: [DRBA] Off topic - Disability Team Leader position - Dept. of Ed. OCR


You wouldn't know it from the title or qualifications, but I'm told the Department of Education OCR intends this position http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=94536480&JobTitle=Supervisory+General+Attorney&q=disability&where=dc&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y&x=0&y=0&re=4&jbf574=ED*&pg=1&AVSDM=2010-12-06+15%3a30%3a00 to be a Disability Team Leader.  So if you know anyone who might be interested, please let them know.  Dept. of Ed. really needs a good person in this position.  It closes 12/27.

 

 

Eve L. Hill 
Senior Vice President 
Burton Blatt Institute 
1667 K St. NW 
Suite 640 
Washington, DC 20006 
(202) 296-2044 
ehill at syr.edu

 

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From jimi-law at dc.rr.com  Fri Dec 17 16:55:43 2010
From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James Weisberg)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:55:43 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Guide dogs in the workplace
In-Reply-To: <SNT113-DS242946B18992758ADCD45CB1160@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT113-DS242946B18992758ADCD45CB1160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EAC6B1099D90410F94C7E6FAB186A18B@Blind>

Andrew:

I have been practicing law for over ten years at all times with a guide dog.
My first position was a judicial clerkship.  Since, I have had several short
stints with small firms (two) and the remainder as a solo practitioner.  In
all cases my dog received more respect than I did (could just be my personal
character flaws at play here!) but what you can expect to deal with will be
"dog lovers" who despite the dog clearly being a "working animal" will
repeatedly "break the rules" by attempting to interact with your dog no
matter how many times or how direct or indirect you request otherwise.  I do
not know whether my dogs have prevented any job offers as of course there's
really know way of knowing.  But if you are planning a career as a lawyer,
litigator in particular, a guide dog is a GREAT asset - stock the jury with
retirement age woman and your golden regardless of the facts of your case!!
When the jurors start blowing kisses to your dog during testimony or
otherwise mouthing "I love you" to your dog AND opposing counsel notices
your ripe for settlement at recess.  I'm talking from experience here.  I
say go for it.

Aside from the employment aspect you will no doubt be pleasantly surprised
by the companionship aspect which is even better than the mobility
assistance.  If you are thinking about "Guide Dogs for the Blind" absolutely
go for it as they are a first rate organization and their dogs are the best.
Go to the Oregon campus, it's sweet and so it the food!!

Best~

James

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Webb
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:49 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Guide dogs in the workplace

Hello -

 

I am seriously considering training for my first guide dog.  I wondered if
anyone in the white-collar professional world (law or otherwise) might have
any thoughts to share about the marriage of service animals to the
workplace?  I'm already fully aware of the legal right to bring guide dogs
to work as an accommodation.  Also, while I realize many people have strong
and varied opinions on the use of guide dogs from the standpoint of mobility
and independence, I'm not asking for those opinions here -- I've already
investigated the question at great length, and have concluded that for me
personally, a guide dog would be of significant help in my independent
travel.

 

My question, which I suppose can best be answered by guide dog users, is
whether there are any particular advantages or disadvantages/pitfalls in
using a dog as one negotiates a professional career.  Has anyone found
prospective employers to respond noticeably well, or else with discomfort,
to the presence of a guide dog during the interviewing/hiring process?  What
about reactions from co-workers on the job?  Has anyone ever felt that their
dog exposed them to unwanted scrutiny in their job, beyond that engendered
by the mere fact of being blind?

 

My own feeling is that a dog will help me to maneuver more confidently and
skillfully than I already do using my cane, and so I can only imagine that
this would be a positive in the workplace, just as it would in my personal
life.  But if anyone thinks that there might be professional downside that I
might not appreciate, I'm happy to get those thoughts.

 

Thanks.

 

Andrew Webb 

 

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Dec 17 19:51:52 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:51:52 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] ED OCR Supervisory General Attorney Job Announcement
	Number: OCR-PLG-2010-1227
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B843BB22F@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

the text of the announcement circulated by Scott earlier.


Link:
http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=94536480&JobTitle=Supervisory+General+Attorney&q=disability&where=dc&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y&x=0&y=0&re=4&jbf574=ED*&pg=1&AVSDM=2010-12-06+15%3a30%3a00

Text:
Job Title: Supervisory General Attorney
Department: Department Of Education
Agency: Office for Civil Rights
Sub Agency: Program Legal Group
Job Announcement Number: OCR-PLG-2010-1227

SALARY RANGE: $123,758.00 - $155,500.00 /year
OPEN PERIOD: Monday, December 06, 2010 to Monday, December 27, 2010
SERIES & GRADE: GS-0905-15/15
POSITION INFORMATION: Full-Time  Permanent
DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy - Washington, DC Metro Area
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: Applications will be accepted from all groups of qualified individuals.

* This position is an excepted service position - Exempt from the Competitive Service. *  Relocations expenses will not be paid.

JOB SUMMARY:
The Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) is a law enforcement agency charged with protecting fundamental rights conferred in statutes that charge the Federal government with the obligation to ensure that public monies do not support discrimination. OCR operates under the jurisdiction of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, the Age Discrimination Act of 1975, Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, and the Boys Scouts of America Equal Access Act (Section 9525 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965, as amended by Section 901 of the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001).

Additional Duty Location Info:

1 vacancy - Washington, DC Metro Area

As a member of the Program Legal Group in OCR's Washington, DC office, a Supervisory General Attorney team leader performs various duties on matters handled by OCR, including matters of considerable complexity.

Managers, directs, supervises the activities of a team that may include, Attorney, Management/Program Analysts, and Equal Opportunity Specialists, and Support Staff, providing general and specific policy, legal, procedural and program guidance to staff.  Serves as legal policy advisor to the Assistant Secretary of OCR, Deputy Assistant Secretaries, Enforcement Directors, and Director of the Program Legal Group, and serves as an expert resource for other managers within OCR. Supervises the development or review of policy, legal memoranda, guidelines, and proposed regulations pertaining to civil rights compliance, and the provision of technical assistance. Directs the review of the Department's and other agencies' proposed regulations and proposed legislation to determine the potential effect on OCR's  regulations and enforcement activities to ensure conformance with civil rights requirements. Review memoranda, and other documents that present pertinent legislative history, legal precedents for potential influence on OCR policies, and recommendations for the resolutions of problems.

QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED:
General Experience:

Minimum Qualification Requirements: All attorney positions require that applicants show proof of admission to the Bar of the highest Court of a State, Territory, the District of Columbia, or the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and current membership in such Bar as would permit the practice of law.

Specialized Experience:

Applicants must possess knowledge of the civil rights laws and regulations enforced by OCR, policy and legal issues related to enforcing civil rights statutes, civil rights theories, principles, and practices, and the role of the Federal, state and local governments. In-depth knowledge of issues relating to disability in education is essential. One year of experience must have been at a level of difficulty and responsibility equivalent to that of an attorney at the GS-14 level.

Your application or resume must show the following: Work experience related to the position for which you are applying including job title, duties and accomplishments, employer's name, number of hours worked per week, starting and ending dates (month and year), and annual salary. If you held various positions with the same employer, describe each separately. If you have Federal civilian experience, indicate the highest grade held, the job series and date held. If you had one or more years of professional experience, i.e., legal experience gained after your law degree was conferred, give a full description of the nature, extent, and complexity of work performed. Indicate any supervisory experience and any special educational qualifications such as a second law degree or evidence of superior law student work or activities.  Your application should specify your country or citizenship.

You must meet time-in-grade restrictions by the closing date of this announcement.

EDUCATIONAL SUBSTITUTIONS WILL BE ALLOWED AS SET FORTH IN OPM X-118 QUALIFICATIONS HANDBOOK.

HOW YOU WILL BE EVALUATED:

METHODS TO BE USED IN EVALUATING CANDIDATES:  To receive full credit for your qualifications, provide evidence of experience , training, education, awards, hobbies, self-development, achievements and any other aspects of your background as they relate to the knowledge, skills and abilities described on this announcement. Include clear concise examples to show level of accomplishment and degree of responsibility for each evaluation factor shown. You must ensure the knowledge, skills and abilities required for this position are identified within your resume and/or cover letter.  Upon recommendations for an interview, you may be required to provide a legal writing sample. The evaluation criteria are listed below:

Evaluation Criteria/ KSAs: (Knowledge, Skills and Abilities required)

1.   Knowledge of Federal laws, regulations, policies, and issues related to civil rights. Expert knowledge of Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

2.   Ability to provide leadership and training.

3.   Ability to establish and maintain effective relationships with high-level civil rights and institutional officials.

4.   Knowledge of management principles, techniques and methods needed to plan and conduct development of general and specific policy, procedural, and program guidance.

BENEFITS:
You may participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits program, with costs shared with your employer. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#FEHB.

Life insurance coverage is provided. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#life

New employees are automatically covered by the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS). If you are transferring from another agency and covered by Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS), you may continue in this program. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#retr

You will earn annual vacation leave. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#VACA

You will earn sick leave. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#SKLV

You will be paid for federal holidays that fall within your regularly scheduled tour of duty. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#HOLI

If you use public transportation, part of your transportation costs may be subsidized. Our human resources office can provide additional information on how this program is run.

OTHER INFORMATION:
This job is being filled by an alternative hiring process and is not in the competitive civil service.

The materials you send with your application will not be returned.

You will be required to serve a probationary period of 1 year.

HOW TO APPLY:
Mail your application so it will be postmarked by closing date. If hand delivered, be sure your application is received by closing date.

Be sure your application includes the following: A resume or an Optional Application for Federal Employment (OF 612) or any other format. Although we do not require a specific format certain information is required to determine if you are qualified.

There is no formal rating system for applying veterans' preference to attorney appointments in the excepted service; however, veteran's preference eligibility will be viewed as a positive factor in attorney hiring. Applicants eligible for veterans' preference must include that information in their cover letter or resume and attach supporting documentation (e.g., the DD 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty and other supporting documentation) to their submissions. Applicants eligible to claim 10-point preference must submit Standard Form (SF) 15, Application for 10-Point Veteran Preference, and submit the supporting documentation required for the specific type of preference claimed (visit the OPM website, www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/SF15.pdf for a copy of SF 15, which lists the types of 10-point preferences and the required supporting document(s).

If you are a current or former federal employee with reinstatement eligibility, you must submit a copy of your last Notification of Personnel Action (SF50) showing your position, title, series, grade and eligibility.

RELOCATION EXPENSES WILL NOT BE PAID.

APPLICATIONS EMAILED OR FAXED WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED OR CONSIDERED.

Send your application and all required documents to US Department of Education, Office for Civil Rights, Human Resources Team, 400 Maryland Ave, SW, LBJ 4C138, Washington, DC 20202-1174.  For additional information regarding this announcement, send email inquiries to ocr at ed.gov. You must include the Vacancy Announcement # OCRHQ-PLG-2010-1227 in the subject line when sending inquiries for information.

NOTICE: The applicant selected for this position is subject to a check to verify that he or she has not defaulted on any loan funded or guaranteed by the US Department of Education. New employees found to be in default will be contacted by the Department to make arrangements for repayment.

THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER. ALL APPLICANTS WILL RECEIVE CONSIDERATION REGARDLESS OF RACE, COLOR, AGE, RELIGION, SEX, NATIONAL ORIGIN, POLITICAL AFFILIATION, UNION AFFILIATION OR NON AFFILIATION, MARITAL STATUS, NON-DISQUALIFYING PHYSICAL HANDICAP, OR ANY OTHER NON-MERIT REASON.

AGENCY CONTACT INFO:
Office for Civil Rights
Phone: Email Inquiries Only
Email: ocr at ed.gov  Agency Information:
Department Of Education, Office for Civil Rights
400 Maryland Ave, SW
LBJ/ 4C138
Washington, DC 20202-1174
US

WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT:
Once your complete application is received, it will be evaluated and ranked. A committee will interview and refer the most highly qualified candidates to the hiring officials for a second interview. Applicants will be contacted for interviews.



From emrene at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 17 22:21:32 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:21:32 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] RE Guide Dogs in the Workplace
Message-ID: <48BCBBC3D7F243CCBE67DF98CFBC6D9C@elizabethrene>

Andrew,

I practiced Law with guide dogs for 16 years, and partnered with them for 
two years in major medical centers during seminary while training for 
hospital chaplaincy.  And I laughed out loud when I read James's post.

He's absolutely right about guide dogs in the law office and in court.  I 
want to add, as a woman attorney, that the presence of my dog ensured that 
my criminal defendants treated me with respect!  Having had a dog in court 
has left me with some of the best stories to tell, too.  Every judge reacted 
positively towards my dogs, and my canine colleague added to the general 
bonhomie of the office.

The medical teams I worked with loved my dogs, and with only an exception or 
two, all of my patients (kids especially) loved my dog.

My dogs had a vastly expanded life, many adventures, and an ever-growing 
network of friends and fans because of their dual-career status.  They 
weren't just mobility tools, they were my partners in everything I did, and 
have been remembered by others decades after their passing.

Go for it!

Elizabeth






From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Fri Dec 17 22:37:26 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:37:26 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] RE Guide Dogs in the Workplace
In-Reply-To: <48BCBBC3D7F243CCBE67DF98CFBC6D9C@elizabethrene>
References: <48BCBBC3D7F243CCBE67DF98CFBC6D9C@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <8BCE1D0EE84A429A9A6C02DD415C0DD1@D9DWCYF1>

I am totally blind, and practice law for a firm in Rochester MI.  I travel
well with a cane, but I am now 45, and thinking about getting a dog, as I am
just down the street from leader dogs for the blind.  Can someone tell me
what is the real advantage for me of a dog over a cane.  What am I likely to
appreciate most?


-------------------------------------------
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Wienner & Gould, P.C.
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Rochester, MI  48307
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 5:22 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] RE Guide Dogs in the Workplace

Andrew,

I practiced Law with guide dogs for 16 years, and partnered with them for
two years in major medical centers during seminary while training for
hospital chaplaincy.  And I laughed out loud when I read James's post.

He's absolutely right about guide dogs in the law office and in court.  I
want to add, as a woman attorney, that the presence of my dog ensured that
my criminal defendants treated me with respect!  Having had a dog in court
has left me with some of the best stories to tell, too.  Every judge reacted
positively towards my dogs, and my canine colleague added to the general
bonhomie of the office.

The medical teams I worked with loved my dogs, and with only an exception or
two, all of my patients (kids especially) loved my dog.

My dogs had a vastly expanded life, many adventures, and an ever-growing
network of friends and fans because of their dual-career status.  They
weren't just mobility tools, they were my partners in everything I did, and
have been remembered by others decades after their passing.

Go for it!

Elizabeth





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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Sat Dec 18 13:49:35 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 08:49:35 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Seeking Book Title
Message-ID: <8C6A0E68874C4C928964BBE961005D0E@none8a46117901>

Good morning:
About 3 weeks ago, someone on the list posted a note about a book that he or she thought was pretty good. 
If I recall correctly, it was about Justice Thurgood Marshall  and how he got his start as a black attorney in his early years when no white law firm would hire him, and most black clients couldn't afford to hire a lawyer.
    I'd like to get that book as a gift for someone, but can't recall the title, or ifr it was on CD or tape, or either for that matter.
Could anyone who recalls that book please contact me off-list with the correct title of the book, or a possible place to purchase it online?
Thank you.
Home email:
rumpole at roadrunner.com

    
Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From emrene at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 19 01:24:19 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:24:19 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
Message-ID: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>

Dear Daniel,

I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very good cane 
traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the advantages of 
having a guide dog.

1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a 
centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a 
courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.

2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you.  That's 
good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction site 
that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might walk 
right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!

3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn people's 
respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog will 
smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make 
that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.

4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it. 
Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh 
air.

5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny 
story about your cane?

Weigh the evidence.

Happy Holidays,

Elizabeth






From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 02:09:39 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:09:39 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
In-Reply-To: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <BF933EADD67549A4A62CB96F6039E258@Rufus>

Elizabeth,

For a bit of fair and balanced perspectives, I'll refute your points with my
own experiences, though most of your points can be valid.  My responses are
in-line:

1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a 
centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a 
courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.

* Your cane doesn't love you, but nor is it demanding.  Smack on a tip every
so often, and it could care less if you're happy, sad, or in the mood for
going anywhere at the break of dawn.*

2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you.  That's

good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction site 
that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might walk

right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!

* And let's not forget the squirrels that entice even the most trained of
service animals.  If you were furry, had a tail and funny ears, wouldn't you
get excited if said friends were blowing kisses and generally distracting
you from doing your job and getting to your meeting on time?*

3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn people's

respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog will 
smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make 
that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.

* Do we really want to be respected for what our dog can do?  I thought
respect is something I came by for my own abilities.  That pickpocket may
think twice about snatching something from me, or he might love dogs and
stick his tongue out at it as he walks away with my wallet.  As for the
woman, well, do you want her to be more excited about seeing you or your
canine?*

4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it. 
Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh 
air.

* Then again, when it's below 32 degrees outside, and the sidewalks are full
of unshoveled snow, you can enjoy feeling low and freezing at the same
time!*

5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny 
story about your cane?

* When was the last time you were out with your friends and had to stop to
try to clean up diarrhea?  Me thinks you'd be the butt end of that funny
story.*

In short, people think I'm cynical about guide dogs and wonder why I ever
got one.  I'm realistic is all, and while everything Elizabeth says can be
true, the sheer responsibility of owning a guide dog does not merely balance
the good times, it outweighs it.  If you can deal with all that, by all
means go out and get yourself a guide dog.  Responsibility notwithstanding
it can be a pretty great experience.  To give you something positive, I've
gotten Gator to the point where we can land at any gate at some airports and
find our way to the taxis without any assistance, as if on autopilot.  That,
to me, kicks ass.

Best,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 8:24 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace

Dear Daniel,

I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a 
very good cane 
traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the 
advantages of 
having a guide dog.

1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a 
centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a 
courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.

2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of 
you.  That's 
good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that 
construction site 
that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house 
you might walk 
right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!

3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll 
earn people's 
respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  
Your dog will 
smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to 
approach, and make 
that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.

4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say 
about it. 
Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into 
the fresh 
air.

5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny 
story about your cane?

Weigh the evidence.

Happy Holidays,

Elizabeth





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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Sun Dec 19 13:51:49 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:51:49 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945>

Hello there Everyone.

since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do you manage 
when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left pant leg?  If 
I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that horible but I 
was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your suit.  I 
often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been raining, but 
majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not catching the 
bus.  Thanks.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


Dear Daniel,

I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very good cane
traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the advantages of
having a guide dog.

1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.

2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you.  That's
good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction site
that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might walk
right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!

3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn people's
respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog will
smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make
that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.

4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it.
Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh
air.

5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
story about your cane?

Weigh the evidence.

Happy Holidays,

Elizabeth





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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Sun Dec 19 18:05:12 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:05:12 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] RE Guide Dogs in the Workplace
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References: <48BCBBC3D7F243CCBE67DF98CFBC6D9C@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <CB0FDA7676FD447DA77C1BFBC07635C2@HPLaptop>

		I totally agree with James's and Elizabeth's sentiments.  My
guide dog has been a total asset in my legal career.  I have been practicing
with him for 7 years now.

Shannon

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 4:22 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] RE Guide Dogs in the Workplace

Andrew,

I practiced Law with guide dogs for 16 years, and partnered with them for 
two years in major medical centers during seminary while training for 
hospital chaplaincy.  And I laughed out loud when I read James's post.

He's absolutely right about guide dogs in the law office and in court.  I 
want to add, as a woman attorney, that the presence of my dog ensured that 
my criminal defendants treated me with respect!  Having had a dog in court 
has left me with some of the best stories to tell, too.  Every judge reacted

positively towards my dogs, and my canine colleague added to the general 
bonhomie of the office.

The medical teams I worked with loved my dogs, and with only an exception or

two, all of my patients (kids especially) loved my dog.

My dogs had a vastly expanded life, many adventures, and an ever-growing 
network of friends and fans because of their dual-career status.  They 
weren't just mobility tools, they were my partners in everything I did, and 
have been remembered by others decades after their passing.

Go for it!

Elizabeth





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From emrene at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 19 22:11:11 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:11:11 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dogs in the Workplace
Message-ID: <4110742FEB424CE3A9E03A1E4A282D13@elizabethrene>

Joe is right about one thing: having a guide dog means having extra 
responsibility.

One has to decide whether the joy that a guide dog brings into one's own 
life and that of others adds enough zest to the task of getting from place 
to place to merit the commitment one makes to a dog.

The cane is a mobility tool; a dog is a relationship.

Dogs need to be fed, walked, picked up after, and groomed every day.  They 
need love, encouragement, discipline, play, and the active and attentive 
employment of their guiding skills.  They need to be bathed and have their 
nails clipped, protected from fleas and other parasites, immunized against 
illness, get their teeth cleaned, and given veterinary care when sick.  Dog 
boots and rain gear need to be donned, wet or muddy feet wiped, clothes 
brushed, and carpets vacuumed more often than in dogless homes.  Occasional 
accidents do happen, and cleaning up after a sick dog--a large sick 
dog--demands fortitude.

If your cane breaks, you can buy a new one.  Ifv your guide dog dies, your 
heart can break.

There's no need to remember your cane at Christmas time.  Dogs want toys and 
treats.

After my last guide retired, I couldn't bear to get another dog for almost 
three years.  Then I got Alvin because I missed all of the work and the joy 
of having a guide dog.  He's my seventh.

I wear business suits and evening dress all the time, and don't feel sloppy. 
I don't wear silk and velvet anymore though, because nose prints show up on 
these.

To me, canes and dogs are both great mobility aids.  Deciding to use one or 
the other, or both as need dictates, is the kind of life choice one makes 
when deciding whether to marry or to have children.  The relationship is 
just as primary and the commitment just as big.  But your guide dog goes to 
work with you.  For me, that's been one of the biggest payoffs of my 
professional life.

Elizabeth







From goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 20 02:22:42 2010
From: goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net (Sarah Clark)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:22:42 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>
	<C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945>
Message-ID: <00f001cb9fec$c89f6a60$6701a8c0@computer2>

Hi Blaine,
When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I carry an 
umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments where mud is a 
concern.
But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.

Sarah Clark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> Hello there Everyone.
>
> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do you manage
> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left pant leg? 
> If
> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that horible but I
> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your suit.  I
> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been raining, but
> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not catching 
> the
> bus.  Thanks.
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>
>
> Dear Daniel,
>
> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very good 
> cane
> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the advantages 
> of
> having a guide dog.
>
> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>
> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you. 
> That's
> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction 
> site
> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might 
> walk
> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!
>
> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn 
> people's
> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog will
> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make
> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>
> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it.
> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh
> air.
>
> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
> story about your cane?
>
> Weigh the evidence.
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
>
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 02:38:01 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:38:01 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene><C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945>
	<00f001cb9fec$c89f6a60$6701a8c0@computer2>
Message-ID: <C1A1F4E34ED048818355E030D52260F3@hometwxakonvzn>

Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> Hi Blaine,
> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I carry an 
> umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments where mud is a 
> concern.
> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>
> Sarah Clark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>
>
>> Hello there Everyone.
>>
>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do you 
>> manage
>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left pant leg? 
>> If
>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that horible but 
>> I
>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your suit.  I
>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been raining, but
>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not catching 
>> the
>> bus.  Thanks.
>> Blaine
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>> Dear Daniel,
>>
>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very good 
>> cane
>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the advantages 
>> of
>> having a guide dog.
>>
>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>
>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you. 
>> That's
>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction 
>> site
>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might 
>> walk
>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!
>>
>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn 
>> people's
>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog 
>> will
>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make
>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>
>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it.
>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh
>> air.
>>
>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
>> story about your cane?
>>
>> Weigh the evidence.
>>
>> Happy Holidays,
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 20 02:41:43 2010
From: goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net (Sarah Clark)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:41:43 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene><C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945><00f001cb9fec$c89f6a60$6701a8c0@computer2>
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Hi RJ,
No, I'm not. I'm a financial advisor.

Sarah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>
>
>> Hi Blaine,
>> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I carry an 
>> umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments where mud is a 
>> concern.
>> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>>
>> Sarah Clark
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>>> Hello there Everyone.
>>>
>>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do you 
>>> manage
>>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left pant leg? 
>>> If
>>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that horible but 
>>> I
>>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your suit.  I
>>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been raining, but
>>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not catching 
>>> the
>>> bus.  Thanks.
>>> Blaine
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>
>>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very good 
>>> cane
>>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the advantages 
>>> of
>>> having a guide dog.
>>>
>>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
>>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>>
>>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you. 
>>> That's
>>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction 
>>> site
>>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might 
>>> walk
>>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!
>>>
>>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn 
>>> people's
>>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog 
>>> will
>>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and 
>>> make
>>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>>
>>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it.
>>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the 
>>> fresh
>>> air.
>>>
>>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
>>> story about your cane?
>>>
>>> Weigh the evidence.
>>>
>>> Happy Holidays,
>>>
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Dec 20 20:03:59 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:03:59 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney posting FLORIDA!
Message-ID: <6756F421B33945C787276983CA6F58F7@none8a46117901>

where it is warm!
***
  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF FLORIDA Position(s) is open until filled.  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/2010ausaannouncement.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Mon Dec 20 20:19:31 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:19:31 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
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What kind of financial adviser?


On Dec 19, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Sarah Clark wrote:

> Hi RJ,
> No, I'm not. I'm a financial advisor.
>
> Sarah
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com 
> >
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>
>
>> Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net 
>> >
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>>> Hi Blaine,
>>> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I  
>>> carry an umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments  
>>> where mud is a concern.
>>> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>>>
>>> Sarah Clark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net 
>>> >
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello there Everyone.
>>>>
>>>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do  
>>>> you manage
>>>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left  
>>>> pant leg? If
>>>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that  
>>>> horible but I
>>>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your  
>>>> suit.  I
>>>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been  
>>>> raining, but
>>>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not  
>>>> catching the
>>>> bus.  Thanks.
>>>> Blaine
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net 
>>>> >
>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very  
>>>> good cane
>>>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the  
>>>> advantages of
>>>> having a guide dog.
>>>>
>>>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>>>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick  
>>>> intelligence, a
>>>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>>>
>>>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of  
>>>> you. That's
>>>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that  
>>>> construction site
>>>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you  
>>>> might walk
>>>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's  
>>>> great!
>>>>
>>>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll  
>>>> earn people's
>>>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your  
>>>> dog will
>>>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach,  
>>>> and make
>>>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>>>
>>>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say  
>>>> about it.
>>>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into  
>>>> the fresh
>>>> air.
>>>>
>>>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a  
>>>> funny
>>>> story about your cane?
>>>>
>>>> Weigh the evidence.
>>>>
>>>> Happy Holidays,
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 20 21:51:00 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:51:00 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
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Hi George,
Sarah is a financial advisor with Morgan Stanley Smith Barney.  This is what 
stock brokers are called today.  However, in Sarah's case she also completed 
the financial planning program at UCLA.  She has also written an excellent 
book on investing which will hopefully be on the bookshelves once all the 
internal approvals are completed by Morgan Stanley.  She is an amazing 
person.
Best,
Dennis


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> What kind of financial adviser?
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Sarah Clark wrote:
>
>> Hi RJ,
>> No, I'm not. I'm a financial advisor.
>>
>> Sarah
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" 
>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>> >
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>>> Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Clark" 
>>> <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net
>>> >
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Blaine,
>>>> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I  carry 
>>>> an umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments  where mud 
>>>> is a concern.
>>>> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>>>>
>>>> Sarah Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" 
>>>> <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net
>>>> >
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello there Everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do  you 
>>>>> manage
>>>>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left  pant 
>>>>> leg? If
>>>>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that  horible 
>>>>> but I
>>>>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your  suit. 
>>>>> I
>>>>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been  raining, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not 
>>>>> catching the
>>>>> bus.  Thanks.
>>>>> Blaine
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Rene" 
>>>>> <emrene at earthlink.net
>>>>> >
>>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very 
>>>>> good cane
>>>>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the 
>>>>> advantages of
>>>>> having a guide dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>>>>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick  intelligence, a
>>>>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of  you. 
>>>>> That's
>>>>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that 
>>>>> construction site
>>>>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you 
>>>>> might walk
>>>>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's 
>>>>> great!
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll  earn 
>>>>> people's
>>>>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your  dog 
>>>>> will
>>>>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach,  and 
>>>>> make
>>>>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say  about 
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into  the 
>>>>> fresh
>>>>> air.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a 
>>>>> funny
>>>>> story about your cane?
>>>>>
>>>>> Weigh the evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy Holidays,
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Dec 20 23:58:21 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:58:21 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney posting
Message-ID: <CE7FCE97941142D3AFA5F9A221A77116@none8a46117901>

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA 11-GAN-AUSA-01 Applications will be considered on an ongoing basis until the position is filled.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-gan-ausa-01-2.htm ] 


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F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From garymelc at msn.com  Tue Dec 21 00:48:28 2010
From: garymelc at msn.com (gary melconian)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:48:28 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
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Hello I would like to be put into contact off list with sara the financial
advisor. I would like to ask some question off list. -----Original
Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Clark
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 1:51 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace

Hi George,
Sarah is a financial advisor with Morgan Stanley Smith Barney.  This is what

stock brokers are called today.  However, in Sarah's case she also completed

the financial planning program at UCLA.  She has also written an excellent 
book on investing which will hopefully be on the bookshelves once all the 
internal approvals are completed by Morgan Stanley.  She is an amazing 
person.
Best,
Dennis


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> What kind of financial adviser?
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Sarah Clark wrote:
>
>> Hi RJ,
>> No, I'm not. I'm a financial advisor.
>>
>> Sarah
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" 
>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>> >
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>>> Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Clark" 
>>> <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net
>>> >
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Blaine,
>>>> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I  carry

>>>> an umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments  where mud 
>>>> is a concern.
>>>> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>>>>
>>>> Sarah Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" 
>>>> <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net
>>>> >
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello there Everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do  you 
>>>>> manage
>>>>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left  pant 
>>>>> leg? If
>>>>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that  horible 
>>>>> but I
>>>>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your  suit.

>>>>> I
>>>>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been  raining, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not 
>>>>> catching the
>>>>> bus.  Thanks.
>>>>> Blaine
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Rene" 
>>>>> <emrene at earthlink.net
>>>>> >
>>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very 
>>>>> good cane
>>>>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the 
>>>>> advantages of
>>>>> having a guide dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>>>>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick  intelligence, a
>>>>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of  you. 
>>>>> That's
>>>>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that 
>>>>> construction site
>>>>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you 
>>>>> might walk
>>>>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's 
>>>>> great!
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll  earn 
>>>>> people's
>>>>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your  dog

>>>>> will
>>>>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach,  and 
>>>>> make
>>>>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say  about 
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into  the 
>>>>> fresh
>>>>> air.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a 
>>>>> funny
>>>>> story about your cane?
>>>>>
>>>>> Weigh the evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy Holidays,
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> blindlaw mailing list
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec 21 21:19:44 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:19:44 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Posting
Message-ID: <EFFA52774FA94196BD7F32E66940754A@none8a46117901>

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA 11-GAN-AUSA-02 Applications will be considered on an ongoing basis until the position is filled. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-gan-ausa-02.htm ] 


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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 16:58:13 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:58:13 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: [fcb-l] Scot's plan for merging departmentts
Message-ID: <78DCA9ECA4234FD3B8D051E6272FF5C8@hometwxakonvzn>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kirk 
To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List ; fcb-l at acb.org ; FRG-BVA at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:41 AM
Subject: [fcb-l] Scot's plan for merging departmentts


Scott team: Merge agencies

 By Jim Saunders and Carol Gentry
12/21/2010 © Health News Florida

Gov.-elect Rick Scott's transition team is calling for a dramatic change in Florida's health-care governance, merging the Department of Health and the Agency for Health Care Administration into a mammoth new agency. 

The Department of Elder Affairs and the Agency for Persons with Disabilities would be folded in, as well. So would the mental-health and substance-abuse programs of the Department of Children and Families.

It would return Florida to the centralized service model that was broken up during the 1990s, with the demise of the old Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services. But Alan Levine, who headed Scott's health and human services transition team, said there's no intention of recreating HRS.

Child welfare got lost in the old HRS, he said. Department of Children and Families will retain its independence in the suggested reorganization.
 
Levine said the merger of DOH, AHCA and the others aims to align "functions" -- putting people together who do similar jobs. That's the way to create more efficient government and reduce duplication, he said.

The report predicted "large savings" if the plan is enacted, a necessity in hard economic times, with the state facing a deficit of around $3.8 billion. Lawmakers have already done some cost-cutting and tapped state trust funds.

A proposed organizational chart calls the new agency, the "Department of Health and Human Services,'' an echo of the federal health agency.

Levine said he knows there will be opposition from "stakeholders" who have strong ties to agencies they are accustomed to dealing with. "I said, 'Let's not worry about the politics of it. Let's tee it up for the Legislature and governor to debate.'"

Such a major change would require legislative approval and would take at least a year to plan and put in place, the document says. House Appropriations Chairwoman Denise Grimsley, a Sebring Republican who is a key player on health issues, said in an e-mail this morning that she backs the concept.

"I do favor consolidation if we can show cost savings, and I believe we can,'' Grimsley said.

But Doug Martin, the Tallahassee-based legislative director of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, said he thinks such a merger would take several years if the Scott administration wants it to work.

"If they just want to jam stuff together like a potato salad, they could do it in a year,'' he said.

Martin also raised the specter of creating something like HRS, which he called "just an impenetrable bureaucratic maze.''

The 68-page plan, released late Monday, also calls for a statewide expansion of managed care in the Medicaid program. Levine, who served as AHCA secretary and as a top aide to former Gov. Jeb Bush, was an architect of a pilot managed-care program for Medicaid.

The team also recommended that Scott appoint someone in the governor's office who could "quarterback" three issues: the merger of the agencies, reforming the Medicaid system and carrying out the new federal health overhaul. However, the report also urged Scott to play a leadership role to repeal that federal law, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, saying its massive expansion of Medicaid will bankrupt the state and undermine the private market.

Scott made a fortune in the health-care industry, building the Columbia/HCA hospital chain before stepping down amid allegations that the company defrauded Medicare. But his health-care positions during this year's gubernatorial campaign were mostly broad statements of support for more privatization and expansion of managed care in Medicaid.

The transition-team recommendations call for far more sweeping changes in how government interacts with the health-care system.

They call for more privatization of government services, taking county health departments out of the business of primary care, privatizing three state mental hospitals and closing the A.G. Holley state tuberculosis hospital. 

Also, the recommendations strongly call for a statewide expansion of the Medicaid pilot program, which currently requires most beneficiaries in five counties to enroll in managed-care plans. Along with the expansion, the recommendations call for using managed care in the state's long-term care programs.

The report also expands on criticism that some lawmakers have heaped on the Department of Health. Members of the transition team said the department lacks a clear mission and headlined one section of the report as, "Challenge: Cultural Barrier to Excellence.''

"One of the largest challenges that the incoming administration will face, in both the short and long term, is how to redefine the culture of the department to promote excellence,'' part of the report said. "It is obvious that the current state of affairs is a product of a multitude of issues, including but not limited to, a lack of understanding with respect to the department's mission, an absence of defined and measurable outcomes and ineffective department leadership.''

The report includes examples of dysfunction at the department. In one of the examples, a transition-team member asked an employee for directions to the surgeon general's office.

"The employee pointed to the clock and noted that it was 6:58 a.m. and they did not begin work until 7 a.m., so they were unable to be of any assistance,'' the report says.

Levine said the problems at DOH are "cultural." When the team asked which employees were best, the answer was that all were "satisfactory."  When the team asked DOH to create a priority list of its functions, it couldn't, viewing all of its tasks as equally important. 

"Left to its own devices," Levine said, "the agency will not recognize that it has problems."

 

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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec 22 21:25:45 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:25:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney office postings
Message-ID: <05747DF19B944BBDBE794FCF228FBD8A@none8a46117901>

Two postings for Colorado and one for North Carolina
***
  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF COLORADO VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO. 11-CO-417579-SAUSA-05 This announcement is open from Tuesday, December 21, 2010 to Tuesday, January 11, 2011.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/12-13-10civildefen.htm ] 
  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF COLORADO VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO. 11-CO-418785-SAUSA-06 This announcement is open from Tuesday, December 21, 2010 to Tuesday, January 11, 2011.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/12-13-10civilaffirmunpauas.htm ] 
  * UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF NORTH CAROLINA ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA 11-EDNC-AUSA-02 Positions are opened until filled. The initial cut-off date for the receipt of applications is December 30, 2010.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11ednc02ausa.htm ] 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec 23 22:20:53 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:20:53 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Imigration Judge opening -Texas
Message-ID: <71268F845A444FC2B8023B470C2A1E7D@none8a46117901>

  * IMMIGRATION JUDGE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION REVIEW IMMIGRATION COURT, HOUSTON, TEXAS VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: EOIR-11-0068 1 POSITION Applications received after 01/13/2011 will not be considered. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/eoir-11-0068.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From law at cordovafirm.com  Fri Dec 24 16:45:04 2010
From: law at cordovafirm.com (Marina A. Cordova, Esq.)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:45:04 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
Message-ID: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>



Season's Greeting to Everyone!

 

I have a procedural question for federal court concerning preliminary
injunctions.  I previously included my motion and arguments for preliminary
injunction in my original complaint and first amended complaint.  However,
as more facts have arisen in the case it is necessary for me to submit the
motion for preliminary injunction separate.  I will be submitting my Second
Amended and First Supplemental Class Complaint.  Since this is the first
time the motion for preliminary injunction is separate do I just call it
"motion for preliminary injunction" or do I also call this a "second amended
motion for preliminary injunction?"  Probably the latter, right?

 

I know we're all in different federal districts, I'm in NM fed district
court (10th circuit), but many procedural rules are similar.

 

Sincerely,

Marina A. Cordova

Attorney at Law

551 W. Cordova Road, # 234

Santa Fe, NM 87505

Office (505) 467-8395

Fax (505) 467-8746

law at cordovafirm.com

 

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From pattichang at att.net  Sat Dec 25 19:50:46 2010
From: pattichang at att.net (Patti Gregory-Chang)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 13:50:46 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Note
Message-ID: <8726D97DDD55461DBE11BBCC87443408@D3J75Z91>

Dear friends and family, 
December 18, 2010



We are later than usual in getting out our updates and holiday wishes.  Hope 
we find you all happy, healthy, and looking forward to the new year.



Francisco's big news is a new job.  He has switched over to the 
Electrophysiologic (EP)  Lab.   He likes the move and can get a nicer start 
time with it.  He still takes calls with the cath lab.  Has been studying 
tons of material.  Kind of feel like he has gone back to school.



            Patti has been writing the new Chicago Building Code (2 volumes) 
for most of this year.  She still supervises and gets to court sometimes but 
not as much as she wants.  Her big news is an appointment to the National 
Federation of the Blind (NFB) scholarship committee as its chair.  The NFB 
gives away more than $122,000 in this program so it is a big responsibility.



John continues at University of Illinois as a sophomore and is considering a 
major in English/secondary education which would train him to teach English 
at the high school level.  He is pleased with his recent grades and has 
settled in at U of I.    In fact he is coming home today for Winter break. 
Mom and dad can't wait.



Julia is a sophomore at Whitney Young Magnet High School.  She is in choir 
and is lobbying for a new piano.  She plans to work over this coming summer. 
She has an active social life and just reminded mom that she will be 15 this 
coming summer.



            Above is a picture from Little Gerry's wedding.  Yes, he is 
married.  Gerry's little boy is hitched.  It is still amazing.







Love to all of you.





Happy Holidays and best of the New Year.



Francisco, Patti, Johnathon, and Julia





P.S. Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund 
via your phone bill.

P.S.S.  National Federation of the Blind of Illinois is now on twitter at 
www.twitter.com/nfbi.
We also have a facebook page.  Just search for our full name.

Patti Gregory-Chang, Esq.
Chairperson, NFB Scholarship Committee
scholarships at nfb.org
President, National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
pattichang at att.net
www.nfbofillinois.org
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Dec 27 14:23:52 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:23:52 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Two U.S. Atty Postings
Message-ID: <EDAA8EB98D144DD9A882C7025421B793@none8a46117901>

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA 11-WDPA-AUSA-02 Application Deadline is January 21, 2011.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-wdpa-ausa-02.htm ] 

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, DISABILITY RIGHTS SECTION SPECIAL LEGAL COUNSEL, SL-00 CLOSING DATE: JANUARY 14, 2011 10-ATT-035.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-035.htm ] 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Dec 27 16:35:01 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:35:01 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] DOJ Civil Rights Division,
 Special Legal Counsel position announcement
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B8450D9AD@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>


Link:
http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-035.htm

Text:
U.S. Department of Justice
Civil Rights Division, Disability Rights Section
Special Legal Counsel, SL-00
Closing Date: January 14, 2011
10-ATT-035

The U.S. Department of Justice, Civil Rights Division<http://www.justice.gov/crt/index.php> is seeking an experienced attorney for the position of Special Legal Counsel of the Disability Rights Section<http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/> in Washington, D.C. The Disability Rights Section handles the Department's enforcement responsibilities under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) under Title I (employment by State and local governments), Title II (all programs, services and activities of public entities), and Title III (public accommodations and commercial facilities). The Section has regulatory authority under Titles II and III and coordination responsibilities under Title II and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973. The Section also provides extensive technical assistance, certifies State and local accessibility codes for equivalency with ADA standards, and provides ADA policy guidance. The Section also handles the Department's enforcement responsibilities under the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act.
APPLICATION PROCESS: Attorney positions are in the excepted service, and applicants for attorney positions are not rated/ranked. For a description of the Civil Rights Division's process for hiring experienced attorneys, please see http://www.justice.gov/crt/legalinfo/attyhire_exp.pdf.
There is no formal rating system for applying veterans' preference to attorney appointments in the excepted service; however, the Department of Justice considers veterans' preference eligibility as a positive factor in attorney hiring. Applicants eligible for veterans' preference must include that information in their cover letter or resume and attach supporting documentation (e.g., the DD 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty and other supporting documentation) to their submissions. Although the 'point' system is not used, per se, applicants eligible to claim 10-point preference must submit Standard Form (SF) 15, Application for 10-Point Veteran Preference, and submit the supporting documentation required for the specific type of preference claimed (visit the OPM website, http://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/SF15.pdf for a copy of SF 15, which lists the types of 10-point preferences and the required supporting document(s). Applicants should note that SF 15 requires supporting documentation associated with service-connected disabilities or receipt of nonservice-connected disability pensions to be dated 1991 or later except in the case of service members submitting official statements or retirement orders from a branch of the Armed Forces showing that his or her retirement was due to a permanent service-connected disability or that he/she was transferred to the permanent disability retired list (the statement or retirement orders must indicate that the disability is 10% or more).
DUTIES:
The Special Legal Counsel reports directly to the Section Chief and acts to ensure the adequacy, consistency, and appropriateness of legal and policy positions taken throughout the Section's work. In particular, the Special Legal Counsel will be charged with coordinating Section legal policy with the Appellate Section, Office of the Solicitor General, other Department components, and other Federal agencies. The incumbent is also responsible for monitoring judicial and regulatory developments and assessing the impact of the Section's work, updating staff on significant developments as well as informing the Section Chief of all major activities, and responds to requests for legal guidance from specialists on the ADA information line. Additionally, the incumbent should demonstrate thorough knowledge of the legal principles applicable to the Department responsibilities under the Americans with Disabilities Act, Rehabilitation Act and other Federal disability rights laws, and the disability provision of Executive Order 11250. Further the incumbent shall assist the Section Chief and other Section managers in a variety of administrative and management tasks. The post requires extended hours and a limited amount of travel.
Qualifications:
MINIMUM FEDERAL QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS:
Required Qualifications:
Applicants must possess a J.D. degree, be duly licensed and authorized to practice as an attorney under the laws of a State, territory, Puerto Rico, or the District of Columbia, and have a minimum of seven years of post-J.D. legal experience. Applicants must possess an extensive knowledge of the Americans with Disabilities Act, Title V of the Rehabilitation Act, the ADA Standards for Accessible Design, and the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act. Applicants also must have strong interpersonal, leadership, organizational, editing and writing, and oral communication skills.
Specialized Education: You must be a graduate from a law school accredited by the American Bar Association and be a member in good standing of a state, territory of the United States, District of Columbia, or Commonwealth of Puerto Rico bar.
Employment is contingent upon the completion and satisfactory adjudication of a background investigation.
It is the policy of the Department to achieve a drug-free workplace and persons selected for employment will be required to pass a drug test which screens for illegal drug use prior to final appointment.
Other Information:
The Department of Justice encourages qualified applicants with disabilities, including individuals with targeted disabilities under 5 C.F.R. § 213.3102(u), to apply. Targeted disabilities are deafness, blindness, missing extremities, partial or complete paralysis, convulsive disorder, mental retardation, mental illness, severe distortion of limbs and/or spine. Applicants who meet the qualification requirements and are able to perform the essential functions of the position with or without reasonable accommodation are encouraged to identify disabilities in response to the questions in the on-line application system seeking that information. For additional information about hiring authorities for applicants with targeted disabilities, please contact the Civil Rights Division's Disability Program Manager, Diane Petrie, at (202) 514-3934 or the Department's Equal Employment Opportunity Staff at (202) 616-4800; see also http://www.jan.wvu.edu/LEAD/index.htm and http://www.opm.gov/disability/PeopleWithDisabilities.asp.
As part of the agency's review of your application, the agency may view and/or access publicly available information about you, including information publicly available on the internet, that is job-related and consistent with the merit system principles and prohibited personnel practices set forth in the Civil Service Reform Act, 5 U.S.C. §§ 2301, 2302. No information from any source may be used to discriminate for or against an applicant based on race, color, national origin.
Relocation expenses are not authorized.
As a condition of employment, all male applicants born after December 31, 1959, must have registered for the selective service. If selected for this position, the applicant must sign a statement certifying his registration, or the applicant must demonstrate exempt status under the Selective Service Law.
DIRECT DEPOSIT: All Federal employees are required to have Federal salary payments made by direct deposit to a financial institution of their choosing.
Only U.S. citizens are eligible for employment with the Executive Office for Immigration Review and the United States Attorneys' Offices. Unless otherwise indicated in a particular job advertisement, non-U.S. citizens may apply for employment with other organizations, but should be advised that appointments of non-U.S. citizens are extremely rare; such appointments would be possible only if necessary to accomplish the Department's mission and would be subject to strict security requirements. Applicants who hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and another country will be considered on a case-by-case basis.
EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY / REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION: The U.S. Department of Justice is an Equal Opportunity/Reasonable Accommodation Employer, and encourages qualified applicants from all backgrounds to apply. Except where otherwise provided by law, there will be no discrimination for or against an applicant because of color, race, religion, national origin, politics, marital status, disability, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, status as a parent, membership or non-membership in an employee organization, or on the basis of personal favoritism. The Department of Justice welcomes and encourages applications from persons with physical and mental disabilities. The Department is firmly committed to satisfying its affirmative obligations under the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, to ensure that persons with disabilities have every opportunity to be hired and advanced on the basis of merit within the Department of Justice. This agency provides reasonable accommodation to applicants with disabilities where appropriate. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please contact one of the Civil Rights Division's Reasonable Accommodation Coordinators, Kate Nicholson (202) 514-0547 or Carolyn Weiss (202) 514-6269. Determinations on requests for reasonable accommodation will be made on a case-by-case basis.
The materials you send with your application will not be returned.
How To Apply:
You must submit your application and all required information so that it will be received no later than 11:59 PM EST on the closing date of the vacancy announcement. If materials are not received, your application will be evaluated solely on the information available and you may not receive full consideration or may not be considered eligible.
Due to the delayed delivery of mail, applicants must either fax or e-mail their application in by the closing date for this position. Please submit your application via fax at 202-514-6603 or by email to CRD.ATTYVACANCIES at USDOJ.GOV<mailto:CRD.ATTYVACANCIES at USDOJ.GOV>. If you are submitting your application via e-mail, please indicate the Vacancy Announcement Number and position title in the subject line.
Required Documents: (are permissible w/ initial application only if specified in announcement.)
*       A cover letter (highlighting relevant experience), a resume, a brief writing sample (10 pages or less) that is the applicant's own work, and a current performance appraisal.
*       If you are a current or former federal employee, please attach a copy of your most recent SF-50 (Notification of Personnel Action)
*       Veterans' preference documentation, if applicable.
Individuals who are eligible for consideration under a special hiring authority (e.g., severely handicapped individuals) will be accepted and considered non-competitively for this vacancy.
Special hiring authority eligibles must indicate on their application if they are applying under a special program and submit proof of eligibility with their application.
Applications mailed using government postage and/or internal federal government mail systems are in violation of agency and postal regulations and will not be accepted.
Contact Information: Agency Information:
Diane Turner Department of Justice/CRD
Phone: 202-514-3934 PLEASE DO NOT MAIL APPLICATIONS
Fax: 202-514-6603 PLEASE SEE "HOW TO APPLY" SECTION
Email: crd.attyvacancies at usdoj.gov<mailto:crd.attyvacancies at usdoj.gov> WASHINGTON, DC 20530
FAX: 202-514-6603



From rthomas at emplmntattorney.com  Mon Dec 27 18:29:51 2010
From: rthomas at emplmntattorney.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:29:51 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
In-Reply-To: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
References: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
Message-ID: <5E489EAB56CC4DFF8C3E4547C39360E3@RThomas>

I am a little confused about what you are saying but let me give it a shot.

First, each of the pleadings you mention should be separate pleadings. I am
very unclear how it is you believe that you included a request for
preliminary injunction and an argument for it in a Complaint. 

If the opposing party has responded to the Complaint, then the only way you
can file an amended complaint is through a stipulation with the opposing
party permitting you to do so or by filing a motion with the court for leave
to file an amended complaint. 

With respect to a preliminary injunction, that should be filed as a separate
motion.  You must follow the Federal Rules on injunctions to the letter.
Also, be sure to check the local rules in your particular district for any
local requirements.

Such a Motion is normally accompanied by a brief and affidavits in support
of the Motion. 


Respectfully,

 

Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marina A. Cordova, Esq.
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 8:45 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
Importance: High



Season's Greeting to Everyone!

 

I have a procedural question for federal court concerning preliminary
injunctions.  I previously included my motion and arguments for preliminary
injunction in my original complaint and first amended complaint.  However,
as more facts have arisen in the case it is necessary for me to submit the
motion for preliminary injunction separate.  I will be submitting my Second
Amended and First Supplemental Class Complaint.  Since this is the first
time the motion for preliminary injunction is separate do I just call it
"motion for preliminary injunction" or do I also call this a "second amended
motion for preliminary injunction?"  Probably the latter, right?

 

I know we're all in different federal districts, I'm in NM fed district
court (10th circuit), but many procedural rules are similar.

 

Sincerely,

Marina A. Cordova

Attorney at Law

551 W. Cordova Road, # 234

Santa Fe, NM 87505

Office (505) 467-8395

Fax (505) 467-8746

law at cordovafirm.com

 

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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Mon Dec 27 18:42:05 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:42:05 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
In-Reply-To: <129401cba08f$fdb81be0$6601a8c0@server>
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene><C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945><00f001cb9fec$c89f6a60$6701a8c0@computer2><C1A1F4E34ED048818355E030D52260F3@hometwxakonvzn><00ff01cb9fef$b92682a0$6701a8c0@computer2><A00536C3-C5ED-4F5C-9314-5B6CFE10E4D1@mac.com>
	<129401cba08f$fdb81be0$6601a8c0@server>
Message-ID: <E0882D36F6E9446397450ABC1361B533@HPLaptop>

Please let me know when Sarah's book comes out.

Thanks,

Shannon

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Clark
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:51 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace

Hi George,
Sarah is a financial advisor with Morgan Stanley Smith Barney.  This is what

stock brokers are called today.  However, in Sarah's case she also completed

the financial planning program at UCLA.  She has also written an excellent 
book on investing which will hopefully be on the bookshelves once all the 
internal approvals are completed by Morgan Stanley.  She is an amazing 
person.
Best,
Dennis


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> What kind of financial adviser?
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Sarah Clark wrote:
>
>> Hi RJ,
>> No, I'm not. I'm a financial advisor.
>>
>> Sarah
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" 
>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>> >
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>>> Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Clark" 
>>> <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net
>>> >
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Blaine,
>>>> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I  carry

>>>> an umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments  where mud 
>>>> is a concern.
>>>> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>>>>
>>>> Sarah Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" 
>>>> <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net
>>>> >
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello there Everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do  you 
>>>>> manage
>>>>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left  pant 
>>>>> leg? If
>>>>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that  horible 
>>>>> but I
>>>>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your  suit.

>>>>> I
>>>>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been  raining, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not 
>>>>> catching the
>>>>> bus.  Thanks.
>>>>> Blaine
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Rene" 
>>>>> <emrene at earthlink.net
>>>>> >
>>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very 
>>>>> good cane
>>>>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the 
>>>>> advantages of
>>>>> having a guide dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>>>>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick  intelligence, a
>>>>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of  you. 
>>>>> That's
>>>>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that 
>>>>> construction site
>>>>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you 
>>>>> might walk
>>>>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's 
>>>>> great!
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll  earn 
>>>>> people's
>>>>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your  dog

>>>>> will
>>>>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach,  and 
>>>>> make
>>>>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say  about 
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into  the 
>>>>> fresh
>>>>> air.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a 
>>>>> funny
>>>>> story about your cane?
>>>>>
>>>>> Weigh the evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy Holidays,
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From emyska at charter.net  Mon Dec 27 20:39:39 2010
From: emyska at charter.net (Elizabeth Myska)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:39:39 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
In-Reply-To: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
References: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
Message-ID: <000b01cba606$38efdf10$aacf9d30$@net>

Hi Marina,

I would check your circuit's website for the rules for filing. They often
have helpful information which is specific to your circuit in determining
what to call a document like yours. But I would  guess that you are correct
that you would call the document "second amended motion for preliminary
injunction." The checking of the website is just to be safe. 

Attorney Liz Myska 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marina A. Cordova, Esq.
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:45 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
Importance: High



Season's Greeting to Everyone!

 

I have a procedural question for federal court concerning preliminary
injunctions.  I previously included my motion and arguments for preliminary
injunction in my original complaint and first amended complaint.  However,
as more facts have arisen in the case it is necessary for me to submit the
motion for preliminary injunction separate.  I will be submitting my Second
Amended and First Supplemental Class Complaint.  Since this is the first
time the motion for preliminary injunction is separate do I just call it
"motion for preliminary injunction" or do I also call this a "second amended
motion for preliminary injunction?"  Probably the latter, right?

 

I know we're all in different federal districts, I'm in NM fed district
court (10th circuit), but many procedural rules are similar.

 

Sincerely,

Marina A. Cordova

Attorney at Law

551 W. Cordova Road, # 234

Santa Fe, NM 87505

Office (505) 467-8395

Fax (505) 467-8746

law at cordovafirm.com

 

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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 27 20:55:25 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:55:25 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
In-Reply-To: <BF933EADD67549A4A62CB96F6039E258@Rufus>
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>
	<BF933EADD67549A4A62CB96F6039E258@Rufus>
Message-ID: <CFD0812938B74DE390E290041251898A@spike>

from the standpoint of balance what happens in the work place when your work 
and life are disrupted to eventually retrain with another guide dog after so 
many years?
chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> Elizabeth,
>
> For a bit of fair and balanced perspectives, I'll refute your points with 
> my
> own experiences, though most of your points can be valid.  My responses 
> are
> in-line:
>
> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>
> * Your cane doesn't love you, but nor is it demanding.  Smack on a tip 
> every
> so often, and it could care less if you're happy, sad, or in the mood for
> going anywhere at the break of dawn.*
>
> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you. 
> That's
>
> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction 
> site
> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might 
> walk
>
> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!
>
> * And let's not forget the squirrels that entice even the most trained of
> service animals.  If you were furry, had a tail and funny ears, wouldn't 
> you
> get excited if said friends were blowing kisses and generally distracting
> you from doing your job and getting to your meeting on time?*
>
> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn 
> people's
>
> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog will
> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make
> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>
> * Do we really want to be respected for what our dog can do?  I thought
> respect is something I came by for my own abilities.  That pickpocket may
> think twice about snatching something from me, or he might love dogs and
> stick his tongue out at it as he walks away with my wallet.  As for the
> woman, well, do you want her to be more excited about seeing you or your
> canine?*
>
> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it.
> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh
> air.
>
> * Then again, when it's below 32 degrees outside, and the sidewalks are 
> full
> of unshoveled snow, you can enjoy feeling low and freezing at the same
> time!*
>
> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
> story about your cane?
>
> * When was the last time you were out with your friends and had to stop to
> try to clean up diarrhea?  Me thinks you'd be the butt end of that funny
> story.*
>
> In short, people think I'm cynical about guide dogs and wonder why I ever
> got one.  I'm realistic is all, and while everything Elizabeth says can be
> true, the sheer responsibility of owning a guide dog does not merely 
> balance
> the good times, it outweighs it.  If you can deal with all that, by all
> means go out and get yourself a guide dog.  Responsibility notwithstanding
> it can be a pretty great experience.  To give you something positive, I've
> gotten Gator to the point where we can land at any gate at some airports 
> and
> find our way to the taxis without any assistance, as if on autopilot. 
> That,
> to me, kicks ass.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 8:24 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>
> Dear Daniel,
>
> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a
> very good cane
> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the
> advantages of
> having a guide dog.
>
> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>
> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of
> you.  That's
> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that
> construction site
> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house
> you might walk
> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!
>
> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll
> earn people's
> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.
> Your dog will
> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to
> approach, and make
> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>
> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say
> about it.
> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into
> the fresh
> air.
>
> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
> story about your cane?
>
> Weigh the evidence.
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
>
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From emyska at charter.net  Mon Dec 27 21:25:33 2010
From: emyska at charter.net (Elizabeth Myska)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:25:33 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
In-Reply-To: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
References: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
Message-ID: <000001cba60c$983ddac0$c8b99040$@net>

Hi Marina,

I would check your circuit's website for the rules for filing. They often
have helpful information which is specific to your circuit in determining
what to call a document like yours. But I would  guess that you are correct
that you would call the document "second amended motion for preliminary
injunction." The checking of the website is just to be safe. 

Attorney Liz Myska 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marina A. Cordova, Esq.
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:45 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
Importance: High



Season's Greeting to Everyone!

 

I have a procedural question for federal court concerning preliminary
injunctions.  I previously included my motion and arguments for preliminary
injunction in my original complaint and first amended complaint.  However,
as more facts have arisen in the case it is necessary for me to submit the
motion for preliminary injunction separate.  I will be submitting my Second
Amended and First Supplemental Class Complaint.  Since this is the first
time the motion for preliminary injunction is separate do I just call it
"motion for preliminary injunction" or do I also call this a "second amended
motion for preliminary injunction?"  Probably the latter, right?

 

I know we're all in different federal districts, I'm in NM fed district
court (10th circuit), but many procedural rules are similar.

 

Sincerely,

Marina A. Cordova

Attorney at Law

551 W. Cordova Road, # 234

Santa Fe, NM 87505

Office (505) 467-8395

Fax (505) 467-8746

law at cordovafirm.com

 

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the world, indeed it's the only thing that ever has.  - Margaret Mead

 

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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec 30 16:34:21 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:34:21 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty Position opening
Message-ID: <3744ED26B94A49C79D4B3CB1104ECC65@none8a46117901>

 * UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA 11-EDCA-09A This position will be open until filled; however, applications received by Monday, January 10, 2011, will be given first consideration.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/ausaad11-edca-09a.htm ] 

"When you are down and out something always turns up - and it's usually the noses of your friends."
- - - Orson Welles 

 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Dec 30 17:37:45 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:37:45 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: ISO ADA Title III Business Expert for ABA CLE
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B8450DC10@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



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Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:31 AM
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Subject: ISO ADA Title III Business Expert for ABA CLE

Hi all,

The American Bar Association is putting on a CLE around the date of February 24 about the Americans with Disabilities Act.

Program developers are looking for an attorney for the panel who has expertise in the ADA Title III, particularly from a business' perspective.

The CLE will be a webcast, so there is no need for travel.

If you or anyone you know may be a fit, please contact me off list.

Many thanks,
Bill

William J. Phelan, IV, Esq.
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American Bar Association
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  1 07:11:50 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:11:50 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
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References: <8648A7D72B204643BC6A6D6EE010F323@DANELLIEVANDAWN><2C964D613F8F45B390C61C9A5AE2D9A4@Blind><754D9C7D0111F64FB1C87BD46B8ACD1CE2151D@draexchange.dralegal.com><FF459547992C42F2AA7E2CF1C15AA37A@Blind><auto-000178709145@mailfront2.g2host.com><e4c8f3e1196a.4ce697ac@optonline.net><93F66754B056452785009BDABB84CDA2@Blind><E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B79042425@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov><62BFF6978C5B4B4CADDB66F73D46826C@Blind><AEFB013B9CD84B1986A3EA57AB6C0A78@girmaiPC><83260B7BE3EE45F9BE3A516E57B07110@GPD945><1F64C7B864CD46C8B032062E6644991B@none8a46117901><7D48B1F31C6247CA9547D7D931D4039B@StevePC><55FE9078-EC37-4456-ADC0-DF3166FBB6C3@mac.com><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F705F3E794@EVS02.central.pima.gov>
	<71F41AD82B4B4422B02742DDD32D66D3@none8a46117901>
Message-ID: <1FC2DFEAA9F4475F811DB7B394F95F6F@spike>

California still does it although it is very rare.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ross Doerr" <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys


> The last I knew, Vermont and North Carolina were the only two states who 
> still permitted that - and it was done through apprenticeship to an 
> admitted attorney.
> But that information is about 10 years old, so it may not apply any 
> longer.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>
>
>> Actually...my great-great grandfather "read" for the bar - in fact, he
>> only had a high school diploma, but became an attorney by internship and
>> very educated by his love of reading.  Going through modern law school,
>> was always jealous that it had at least once been by practice and
>> testing alone!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
>> Sent: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010 6:52 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>
>> Out rages!
>> Employ someone who hasn't passed the BAR?
>> Unless of course its some sort of internship.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>
>>> That is because Canada is a socialist nation.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Doerr"
>> <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good point Blain.
>>>> IF that were "required" in the U.S. the same result may append itself
>> to
>>>> U.S. graduates.
>>>> I like it.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher"
>> <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is why Canadian Law students have somewhat of an advantage over
>>>>> American students.  before you take the Bar you are required to do
>> one
>>>>> year
>>>>> of what they call artickling.  This is where you go and work in a
>> Law
>>>>> firm.
>>>>> A lot of Law students that attend  a Law school in Canada find that
>> that
>>>>> one
>>>>> year helps then gain employment and if you're really good or they
>> like you
>>>>> then you might get reemploied after you pass the bar.  Some firms
>> might
>>>>> pay
>>>>> for you to take the bar if they feel that you will be a real assit
>> to the
>>>>> firm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blaine
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <awilusa at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:06 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       my name is Girmai Kahsai. I graduated from law school and
>> acquired
>>>>> my bar license in 2009. I have been applying for a job for more than
>> a
>>>>> year.
>>>>> I have had interviews and I believe I was not selected for
>> employment in
>>>>> some cases due to discrimination tacit or otherwise whenever the
>>>>> interviewers discovered that I am blind. federal and state agencies
>>>>> require
>>>>> experience which is a hurdle for new attorney. due to other
>> obligations, I
>>>>> am seeking gainful employment in other areaas which may help me to
>> move to
>>>>> attorney position in the long run.  I have been a lawyer for
>> fourteen
>>>>> years
>>>>> in another country and I have no doubt that law is the best
>> profession
>>>>> that
>>>>> would not require sight. nonetheless due to innumberable challenges
>> such
>>>>> as
>>>>> the current economic crisis, bias etc. employment is evading me. but
>> I
>>>>> would
>>>>> like to stress that with proper planning and preparation newly
>> graduated
>>>>> blind attorneys have the chance of employment. the prospective blind
>>>>> lawyer
>>>>> should work as intern duringg summers in federal or state agencies,
>>>>> participate in nmoot court competitions, law school journal etc.
>> these
>>>>> experiences would give the blind lawyer an edge in the search for
>>>>> employment. employers consider these experiences during the hiring
>>>>> process.
>>>>> the formation of a nonprofit organization for the provision of legal
>> aid
>>>>> should be explored as an alternative option by a blind attorney. the
>> legal
>>>>> profession is extremely broad and can be applied flexibly depending
>> on the
>>>>> creativity of the blind attorney individual. I  would like to
>> encourage
>>>>> blind individuals with stamina and skills to strive to study law.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: James Weisberg
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:56 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>>
>>>>> My experience is similar Noel.  My point:  numerically speaking the
>> effort
>>>>> of the credentials are not worth the "chance" you will be one of the
>>>>> "lucky"
>>>>> one's to get a job offer.  Congrats on making it into the public
>> sector as
>>>>> I
>>>>> believe that is the place for those such as us with vision problems
>> and
>>>>> law
>>>>> degrees.  I am currently in the process of waiting for a job
>> interview
>>>>> with
>>>>> the Fed myself!
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:28 PM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>>
>>>>> James:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have lost track of your original point.   I hope this response is
>> on
>>>>> target.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was blind during law school, worked as a summer associate for a
>>>>> nationally-known firm, and received a job offer as a result of my
>> work
>>>>> during that summer.  I was employed by that firm for over five
>> years.  I
>>>>> now
>>>>> practice for the federal government.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know of others as well who were blind before law school who got
>> jobs at
>>>>> private firms.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also know that tremendous discrimination occurs but my own
>> experience
>>>>> tells me that it is entirely possible for a blind person to receive
>> offers
>>>>> of employment to practice in the private sector.
>>>>>
>>>>> Noel Nightingale
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of James Weisberg
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:48 AM
>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to distinguish, I'm getting back to Dave's comments below
>> again
>>>>> now,
>>>>> between employed blind lawyers who lost sight AFTER they had been
>> employed
>>>>> and developed a rep before going blind as being competent from those
>> who
>>>>> are
>>>>> blind and thus never given the opportunity to develop such a rep
>> unless
>>>>> they
>>>>> can do it on their own as I have.  I just don't count blind lawyers
>> in my
>>>>> calculation if they lost their sight after they were established
>> because
>>>>> my
>>>>> point is NOT whether or not a blind person can do the work, I know
>> as I
>>>>> have
>>>>> been doing it for over ten years now.  My point is the effort for
>> the
>>>>> credentials compared with the likelihood of a job offer means go for
>>>>> something else . . . that's all.  So I too would love the numbers on
>> blind
>>>>> lawyers never offered employment compared against employed blind
>> lawyers
>>>>> who
>>>>> were blind prior to ever practicing!!  I'm betting close to
>>>>> "astronomical."
>>>>> *smile*
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of mfhurley at optonline.net
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:29 AM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>>
>>>>> Prospects for blind lawyers were not good in a great ecomony.  I
>> agree
>>>>> with
>>>>> Dennis' post wholeheartedly.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: David Andrews
>>>>> Date: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:26 am
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>
>>>>>> James:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to suggest that the unemployment rate for blind
>>>>>> persons
>>>>>> in most all, if not all fields of endeavor is low. While my
>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>> is anecdotal, I don't think that it is necessarily any worse for
>>>>>> blind lawyers. Over the years I have known a bunch of blind
>>>>>> lawyers,
>>>>>> who are working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I read, the prospect for all lawyers isn't that good
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> now, so it is hard to separate the blindness penalty from the
>>>>>> bad
>>>>>> economy penalty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 05:55 PM 11/18/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>> >Based upon my experience, Berkeley grad, top tier law grad,
>>>>>> ZERO job offers
>>>>>> >despite NEVER not getting an interview, combined with the
>>>>>> extremely low
>>>>>> >numbers of blind attorneys I can't think of what there might be
>>>>>> to discuss.
>>>>>> >My advice to anyone with vision issues considering law as a
>>>>>> career is to not
>>>>>> >waste their time or money they have a greater chance
>> statistically,
>>>>>> >probably, of getting hit by lightening on the way to law class
>>>>>> than ever
>>>>>> >getting an offer of employment. Now if you come from money, forget
>>>>>> >everything I have said and just open your own firm! THAT IS
>>>>>> THE WAY IT IS!
>>>>>> >But there are always EXCEPTIONS. I personally wouldn't want to
>>>>>> invest the
>>>>>> >time and money law school requires on the hopes I'll be an
>> exception.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>> onli
>>>>> ne.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec  1 17:03:56 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:03:56 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney office job postings
Message-ID: <5BDE8F12280C4BBB8170AB49714EC5E2@none8a46117901>

     * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF GEORGIA VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER 11-MDGA-01 All applications must be postmarked no later than Monday, December 6, 2010.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-49-14001creuvacannnov10.htm ] 

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES TRUSTEES WASHINGTON, DC TRIAL ATTORNEY, GS-905-15 ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 10-49-14002 Applications must be postmarked by the closing date of 12/07/10.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/eoust-10-49-14002.htm ] 

"You don't have to fool all the people all of the time; you just have to fool enough to get elected"
~ ~ ~ Gerald Barzan 

 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec  1 22:27:55 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:27:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty job posting
Message-ID: <4F303B118DFE461B8F44E0ADF5139F7D@none8a46117901>

 * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF OKLAHOMA 11-OKW-04-A Resumes must be received no later than December 15, 2010. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-11-okw-04-a.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  2 03:26:56 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:26:56 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] llc law - news paper publication?
In-Reply-To: <CBD56553-CC90-4501-9191-92D3D4A2DE3A@mac.com>
References: <156845D4-7DA4-4D49-BEC7-026FCFFD7030@mac.com><71A6097E1A464C4BA6248EBD0A31FDF5@spike>
	<CBD56553-CC90-4501-9191-92D3D4A2DE3A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AB7F0180578A499C8E36D72B4D51FD0D@spike>

Hi George,
I am a paralegal in California so you will need to contact an attorney in 
New York. There may be someone on this list or your local bar association 
may be albe to provide you a referral to an attorney that specializes in the 
formation of corporations.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] llc law - news paper publication?


> Chuck:
> Do you work in this field?
> If so, are you certified to practice in New York state.
> If you are, please email me offline and we can talk, because I want to be 
> completely sure of what I'm doing before I start.
> Thanks,
>
> Jorge
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2010, at 8:23 PM, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> the process of publishing notice for an LLC or any other type of 
>> corporation depends on your state laws as corporations and LLCs are 
>> registered in the state where they are doing business or where their 
>> directors/partners choose to register them. For that reason the specific 
>> procedures would not be covered in Federal publications. In establishing 
>> a business it is usually advisable to consult with an attorney or 
>> business consultant prior to proceeding so your options can be considered 
>> thoroughly and you don't make costly mistakes.
>> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
>> 1237 P Street
>> Fresno ca 93721
>> 559-266-9237
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:55 PM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] llc law - news paper publication?
>>
>>
>>> Hi all:
>>> Just wondering, is it true that if you're going to form an LLC you 
>>> require a publication to be made in 2 newspapers?
>>> That's what I heard, but don't know if its true because it hasn't been 
>>> mentioned in any of the government resources I look at.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec  2 13:23:25 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 08:23:25 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Funding source posting
Message-ID: <66A351EE94D5466A8D82266B50E0F2D0@none8a46117901>

National Institute of Justice 

*NIJ has released the solicitation **Partnerships Researcher-Practitioner Justice Criminal Enhancing and Building (pdf, 19 pages)* [ http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/sl000970.pdf ]*.* 

*Application Deadline:* March 1, 2011 11:59 PM eastern time. 

NIJ is seeking applications for funding multiple projects in support of criminal justice researcher-practitioner partnerships, as well as capturing, in detail, relevant accounts of these collaborations. This solicitation specifically aims to support activities that capture and build on these efforts and that provide opportunities for creating, enhancing, and sustaining criminal justice researcher-practitioner partnerships that will lead to better criminal justice policy, practice, and research.
 Projects that address issues and agencies in the juvenile justice system are also eligible. NIJ is interested in applications under one of the two following areas.


  * Area 1: Junior Faculty Grant Program to Promote Criminal Justice Researcher-Practitioner Partnerships. 
  * Area 2: Criminal Justice Researcher-Practitioner Fellowship Placement Program. 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
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F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Dec  2 17:55:02 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:55:02 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] President Obama Announces More Key Administration Posts
 for National Council on Disability
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B82C3AD4E@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: White House Disability Group [mailto:disability at messages.whitehouse.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: President Obama Announces More Key Administration Posts for National Council on Disability


THE WHITE HOUSE



Office of the Press Secretary



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



December 1, 2010



President Obama Announces More Key Administration Posts



WASHINGTON – Today, President Barack Obama announced his intent to nominate the following individual to a key administration post:





· Janice Lehrer-Stein, Member, National Council on Disability



President Obama also announced his intent to appoint Richard J. Danzig and Daniel Meltzer as Members of the President’s Intelligence Advisory Board. Their biographies are below.



President Obama said, “I am confident that these accomplished individuals will serve the American people well in their new roles. I am proud to have them join this Administration, and I look forward to working with them in the months and years ahead.”



President Obama announced his intent to nominate the following individual to a key administration post:



Janice Lehrer-Stein, Nominee for Member, National Council on Disability



Janice Lehrer-Stein is a former labor and employment discrimination litigator in Washington, DC and San Francisco, California. Her practice included state and federal trial and appellate practice in labor, constitutional, and discrimination law. She is currently a member of the Board of Directors and Chair of the Audit Committee of Medical Research Charities, a national federation of research focused non-profits, soliciting and directing employee donations to the Combined Federal and State Campaigns. Ms. Lehrer-Stein is a National Trustee of the Foundation Fighting Blindness and Chair of the 2010 San Francisco Dining in the Dark dinner, an event that increases awareness of the challenges faced by Americans with vision disabilities. Ms. Lehrer-Stein is also a member of the Board of Directors of Disability Rights Advocates, a non-profit law firm that seeks to improve access and to secure the civil rights of individuals with disabilities. Ms. Lehrer-Stein was diagnosed with retinitis pigmentosa in 1982 and is legally blind. She holds a Juris Doctor degree from University of Toronto and earned her Bachelor of Arts degree from Yale University.



President Obama announced his intent to appoint the following individuals to key administration posts:



Richard J. Danzig, Nominee for Member, President’s Intelligence Advisory Board Richard J. Danzig is a senior advisor at the Center for a New American Security, the Center for Naval Analyses and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, where he serves as a consultant to the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security on terrorism. Dr. Danzig also served as a Senior Advisor to then-Senator Barack Obama on national security issues throughout his Presidential campaign. During the Clinton Administration, Dr. Danzig served as the 71st Secretary of the Navy and Under Secretary of the Navy. During the Carter Administration, Dr. Danzig served in the Department of Defense as a Deputy Assistant Secretary then as Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for Manpower, Reserve Affairs and Logistics. Between his terms in public service, Dr. Danzig was a partner in the law firm Latham Watkins. He is the Chairman of the Center for a New American Security's Board of Directors, a member of the Defense Policy Board, a Director of the RAND Corporation and the Partnership for Public Service. Dr. Danzig was awarded the Defense Distinguished Public Service Award, the highest Department of Defense civilian award, in 2001, 1997 and 1981. He received a B.A. from Reed College, a J.D. from Yale Law School, and Bachelor of Philosophy and Doctor of Philosophy degrees from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar.



Daniel Meltzer, Nominee for Member, President’s Intelligence Advisory Board

Daniel Meltzer is currently the Story Professor of Law at Harvard Law School. He joined the Harvard Law School faculty in 1982, and has served as an Associate Dean and Vice Dean of the Law School. From 2009-10, Mr. Meltzer was the Principal Deputy Counsel to President Barack Obama at the White House. Before he joined the Harvard Law School faculty, Mr. Meltzer practiced law at Williams and Connolly in Washington D.C. and served as Special Assistant to Secretary Joseph A. Califano, Jr. at the Department of Health, Education and Welfare. Mr. Meltzer also served as a law clerk to Judge Carl McGowan of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit and to Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart.   Mr. Meltzer is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and a member of the Council of the American Law Institute. Mr. Meltzer holds an A.B. from Harvard College and a J.D. from Harvard Law School, where he served as President of the Harvard Law Review.

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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec  2 22:58:47 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:58:47 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Office job Openings
Message-ID: <E8BEBB0B0B0C4BA996B3B66CE0B519D4@none8a46117901>

  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF WEST VIRGINIA ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER:11-SDWV-01 To be considered for a position, send a resume no later than December 10, 2010. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-sdwv-01.htm ] 

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, CRIMINAL SECTION TRIAL ATTORNEY, GS-14/15 CLOSING DATE: DECEMBER 17, 2010 10-ATT-033 CLOSING DATE: DECEMBER 17, 2010 [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-crt-att-033.htm ] 

  * UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION OFFICE OF INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS SECTION ATTORNEY ADVISOR GS-15 Please submit applications by: December 23, 2010.  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-nsi-opnsec-attyadv.htm ] 

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO. 10-AUSASDGA-02 Resumes must be received no later than December 15, 2010  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-ausasdga-02.htm ] 

"Most gods throw dice, but Fate plays chess, and you don't find out til too late that he's been playing with two queens all along" 
Terry Pratchett 




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Admitted to Practice in
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F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Fri Dec  3 11:54:52 2010
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 06:54:52 EST
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Job Opportunity at the Food and Drug Administration
	- Please share
Message-ID: <34957.351591f.3a2a348c@aol.com>

 
 
 
Job Title: Senior Equal  Employment Opportunity Specialist 
 
Department: Department Of  Health And Human Services 
 
Agency: Food and Drug  Administration 
 
Sub Agency: Department of  Health and Human Services 
 
Job Announcement Number:  HHS-FDA-02-2011-0093 
 

SALARY  RANGE:  
$105,211.00 - $136,771.00 /year   
OPEN  PERIOD:  
Wednesday, December 01, 2010 to Wednesday, December  15, 2010   
SERIES &  GRADE:  
GS-0260-14/14   
POSITION  INFORMATION:  
Full Time Permanent   
PROMOTION  POTENTIAL:  
14   
DUTY  LOCATIONS:  
1 vacancy - Rockville ,  MD 
 

 
_http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=94422675&JobTitle=Senior+Equal
+Employment+Opportunity+Specialist&q=hhs-fda-02-2011-0093&brd=3876&vw=b&FedE
mp=Y&FedPub=Y&x=113&y=16&pg=1&re=0&AVSDM=2010-12-01+00%3a03%3a00_ 
(http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=94422675&JobTitle=Senior+Equal+Employmen
t+Opportunity+Specialist&q=hhs-fda-02-2011-0093&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=Y&FedPu
b=Y&x=113&y=16&pg=1&re=0&AVSDM=2010-12-01+00:03:00) 
 



From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Dec  3 22:52:16 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:52:16 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty postings for the day
Message-ID: <58EC991D62F6447691EF3D102A45BFA7@none8a46117901>

Please note the first posting.
***
  * Attorney Advisor Office of the Justice Attache, Department of Justice US Embassy-Baghdad, Iraq  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/rol-dec032010.htm ] 

  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION LAND ACQUISITION SECTION GS-12/15 OPEN: DECEMBER 6, 2010 CLOSE: OPEN UNTIL FILLED. APPLICANTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY BEFORE DECEMBER 23, 2010 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: ENRD-10-070-EXC [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/executive-office-280344-dec032010.htm ] 

  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF NEBRASKA ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 2011-AUSA-01 (D.NE) Applications need to be posted by COB December 10, 2010. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/dtf-ausa-dec32010.htm ] 

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."

- - - Mark Twain 

 

 Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From sbg at sbgaal.com  Sun Dec  5 01:08:02 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 19:08:02 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
Message-ID: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

 

Shannon Geihsler

 

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
please contact the sender and delete all copies.

 


From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Sun Dec  5 01:18:38 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 20:18:38 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <08F9A293-0DA7-4E2D-8BAE-8C2F277D1C84@mac.com>

No.
You have to get Oricale by Humanware LTD. if you want a Blackberry.


On Dec 4, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Shannon Geihsler wrote:

> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
> 
> 
> 
> Shannon Geihsler
> 
> 
> 
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
> 
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> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Sun Dec  5 04:46:18 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 22:46:18 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio. 
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from 
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory 
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and 
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from 
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an 
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry 
smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the 
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about 
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of 
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry 
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at 
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume 
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more 
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry 
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the 
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different 
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind 
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry 
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform 
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software 
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more 
information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit 
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first 
screen reader software application designed specifically to support 
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers 
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like 
that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with 
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French, 
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare 
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages 
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen 
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide 
speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve 
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US 
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this 
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve 
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit 
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?skuId=sku7757100023. 
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software 
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones 
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and 
carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be 
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can 
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full 
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including 
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the 
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not 
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full 
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry 
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this 
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software 
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the 
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to 
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While 
Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products, 
HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for 
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from 
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with 
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM 
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface 
(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application 
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design 
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to 
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices 
support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the 
development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of 
charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing 
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be 
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to 
re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license 
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new 
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available 
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a 
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can 
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product 
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a 
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community, 
and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile 
screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application 
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Dec  5 04:55:52 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 22:55:52 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <auto-000180935091@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Talks does not work with the Blackberry -- the only thing that does, 
for a speech program, is Orator for Blackberry from Humanware.

As to talks and phones, look on their web site.

Dave

At 07:08 PM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
>does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility of
>the Talks program with various mobile phones?



From sbg at sbgaal.com  Sun Dec  5 16:43:48 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:43:48 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
Message-ID: <3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>

Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
please contact the sender and delete all copies.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio. 
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from 
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory 
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and 
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from 
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an 
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the 
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about 
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of 
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry 
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at 
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume 
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more 
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry 
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the 
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different 
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind 
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry 
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform 
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software 
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit 
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first 
screen reader software application designed specifically to support 
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers 
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with 
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French, 
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare 
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages 
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen 
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve 
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US 
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this 
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve 
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit 
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023. 
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software 
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones 
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be 
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can 
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full 
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including 
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the 
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not 
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full 
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry 
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this 
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software 
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the 
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to 
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for 
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from 
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with 
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM 
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application 
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design 
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to 
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing 
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be 
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license 
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new 
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available 
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a 
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can 
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product 
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a 
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application 
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit 
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From cathrynisfinally at verizon.net  Sun Dec  5 17:12:24 2010
From: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net (Cathryn Bonnette)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 12:12:24 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Kaplan PMBR Bar Preparation Materials for Blind
	Students
Message-ID: <2BD9ACC0A93342B0BD269BAA31052720@14bd0130080a469>

All:

 

I'm forwarding to the list my message to Kaplan PMBR the company taking over
The Study Group, my choice for bar prep course materials and mentoring
service. If anyone can suggest an alternative, input is appreciated. At the
very least, this is F.Y.I.

CB

________________

  _____  

From: Cathryn Bonnette [mailto:cathrynisfinally at verizon.net] 
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:59 AM
To: 'Jasmine Mathieu'; 'David Luce'
Subject: RE: Cathryn Bonnette TSG inquiry

 

DATE: December 5, 2010

TO: "Dave" / KAPLAN PMBR

RE: Technical support to access the bar prep course using screen reader
speech software, JAWS for Windows

FROM: Cathryn Bonnette

 

Thank you for responding to my telephone call yesterday.

As I communicated by telephone, I cannot set a password on the web page you
provided via e-mail, (See message pasted below), using key board commands.
The commands do not register.  Consequently, I cannot access any course
materials to date.

(Start of pasted text.)


Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.
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prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

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prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.
Medical Logo
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prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

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prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.
Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.


Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

Thank you for choosing Kaplan! You've made the best decision for your
studies.

Your online resources are now available through your personal home page at:
<http://www.kaplanpmbr.com/myhome> www.kaplanpmbr.com/myhome.

Your user id is: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net

For security purposes, before you can access your personal homepage, your
password needs to be set. To set your password using our secure server,
<http://www.kaptest.com/resetpassword.jhtml?t=I1a0yO7ONrofvz2qUyYXaw==>
Click Here. 

If you are not able to click on this link, please copy and paste this into
your internet browser:
http://www.kaptest.com/resetpassword.jhtml?t=I1a0yO7ONrofvz2qUyYXaw==

At Kaplan, we're committed to helping you achieve your educational and
career goals. We look forward to working with you each step of the way.

Contact one of our expert advisors for more help or information at
1-800-523-0777. For callers outside the US and Canada call 1-213-452-5820.

Sincerely,

The Team at Kaplan

Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.


Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.

 

(End of pasted text.)

 I am blind and use adaptive speech software, (JAWS for Windows). I
purchased the bar preparation course from The Study Group because they
provided materials and support to effectively assist blind students, and
because they offered me unlimited mentoring.  I understand that Kaplan PMBR
has taken over The Study Group as of December 1, 2010.

I have been delayed to date using any Kaplan PMBR services. The telephone
number provided for U.S. customers in the message text above goes to voice
mail stating offices are closed. This is neither what I expected nor the
excellent services I experienced from The Study Group. 

 

How is Kaplan PMBR accommodating blind customers? 

Your prompt attention to this matter is appreciated.

 

 

  _____  

From: Jasmine Mathieu [mailto:Jasmine.Mathieu at kaplan.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 11:53 AM
To: David Luce
Cc: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net
Subject: Cathryn Bonnette TSG inquiry

 

Hi Dave,

 

 

A student called in who has questions about The Study Group. She is
requesting to speak to a mentor. She also requested to be copied on this
email. Her account does not say if she was assigned a mentor yet, but she
would prefer someone who is apart of her study group to be her mentor. Do
you have a contact that I can forward her to about assigning a mentor for
her?

 

 

 

Jasmine Mathieu

PMBR Associate

Kaplan PMBR

 

Prep Smarter, Score Higher. Guaranteed - Or Your Money Back!

 

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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Sun Dec  5 18:07:00 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 12:07:00 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
	<3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook 
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if 
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the 
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec  5 18:51:42 2010
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 12:51:42 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] off topic
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
	<192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
Message-ID: <AD765967326B4108B34F26CC2783FBAD@DANELLIEVANDAWN>

I have not heard from Angie Madney in a long time.  Angie, are you still out 
there?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


> I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft 
> Outlook
> uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and 
> if
> it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
> e-mail onto yourregular computer.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>
> Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
> www.humanware.com.
>
> from the Q.A off the website.
>
> What is Oratio for BlackBerry?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution 
> from
> HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
> (www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
> operate new BlackBerry smartphones.
>
>
>
> What does it do?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution 
> from
> HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
> audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of 
> BlackBerry
>
> smartphones.
>
>
>
> Who sells and supports this product?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
> leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
> Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
> When will Oratio be available for purchase?
>
> Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
> February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for 
> BlackBerry
> smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
> Where can I Purchase Oratio?
>
> Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
> www.humanware.com/oratio
>
>
>
> How much does Oratio cost?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. 
> Volume
> discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
> information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
> Is it the same as Mobile Speak?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
> smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, 
> the
> maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
> applications for different smartphone environments.
>
>
>
> Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
> and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
> smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
> other than BlackBerry.
>
> Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
> solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For 
> more
>
> information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
> www.codefactory.es.
>
> Is it like TALKS?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
> screen reader software application designed specifically to support
> BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
> with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.
>
>
>
> What TTS does it use?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine 
> like
>
> that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.
>
>
>
> What languages are supported?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
> upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
> Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.
>
>
>
> Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
> VictorReader Stream products.
>
>
>
> Does it support speech recognition?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
> text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other 
> screen
> readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not 
> provide
>
> speech to text functionality.
>
>
>
>
>
> Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
> 8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in 
> US
> English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
> software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
> 8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
> http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
> kuId=sku7757100023.
> Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device 
> software
> versions will not be supported by Oratio.
>
>
>
> HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
> with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device 
> and
>
> carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
> announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
> view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
> Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
> QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
> the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
> touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
> supported.
>
>
>
> Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
> QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
> smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
> time.
>
>
>
> Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?
>
> Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
> application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
> availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
> Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
> access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. 
> While
>
> Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of 
> products,
>
> HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
> BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
> third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
> disabilities at this time.
>
> To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
> has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming 
> Interface
>
> (API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.
>
> HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
> developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
> principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.
>
>
>
> Does it support the web browser application?
>
> At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support 
> to
> the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile 
> devices
>
> support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on 
> the
>
> development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free 
> of
>
> charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.
>
>
>
> Will updates be free?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:
>
>
>
> Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
> version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
> available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need 
> to
>
> re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
> registration.
>
>
>
> Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
> software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
> from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require 
> a
> new product registration.
>
>
>
> Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
> only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
> number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
> new license.
>
>
>
> Can I get a demo/trial copy?
>
> Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind 
> community,
>
> and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building 
> mobile
>
> screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the 
> application
> is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the 
> box.
>
>
>
> No trial or demo copy is available at this time.
>
>
>
> Where can I get more information?
>
> For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Sun Dec  5 22:13:14 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 17:13:14 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
	<192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
Message-ID: <644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>

I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 


-------------------------------------------
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
please contact the sender and delete all copies.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Dec  5 23:42:02 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 17:42:02 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
	<3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <auto-000180998432@mailfront2.g2host.com>

At least as originally conceived, the Blackberry was primarily a 
device for reading your e-mail, answering it etc.  So, as soon as you 
get e-mail, it is pushed to the Blackberry, ready for you to read and 
respond.

Dave

At 10:43 AM 12/5/2010, you wrote:
>Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?
>
>Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>1001 Main St., Suite 803
>Lubbock, TX 79401
>Phone: 763-3999
>Fax: 749-3752
>
>This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
>attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
>review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
>permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
>please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
>Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
>www.humanware.com.
>
>from the Q.A off the website.
>
>What is Oratio for BlackBerry?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
>HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
>(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
>operate new BlackBerry smartphones.
>
>
>
>What does it do?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
>HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
>audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry
>
>smartphones.
>
>
>
>Who sells and supports this product?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
>leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
>Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
>www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
>When will Oratio be available for purchase?
>
>Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
>February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
>smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
>Where can I Purchase Oratio?
>
>Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
>www.humanware.com/oratio
>
>
>
>How much does Oratio cost?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
>discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
>information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
>www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
>Is it the same as Mobile Speak?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
>smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
>maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
>applications for different smartphone environments.
>
>
>
>Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
>and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
>smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
>other than BlackBerry.
>
>Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
>solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more
>
>information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
>www.codefactory.es.
>
>Is it like TALKS?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
>screen reader software application designed specifically to support
>BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
>with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.
>
>
>
>What TTS does it use?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like
>
>that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.
>
>
>
>What languages are supported?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
>upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
>Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.
>
>
>
>Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
>VictorReader Stream products.
>
>
>
>Does it support speech recognition?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
>text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
>readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide
>
>speech to text functionality.
>
>
>
>
>
>Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
>8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
>English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
>software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
>8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
>http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
>kuId=sku7757100023.
>Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
>versions will not be supported by Oratio.
>
>
>
>HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
>with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and
>
>carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
>announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
>view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
>Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
>QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
>the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
>touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
>supported.
>
>
>
>Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
>QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
>smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
>time.
>
>
>
>Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?
>
>Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
>application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
>availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
>
>
>
>Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
>access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While
>
>Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,
>
>HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
>BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
>third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
>disabilities at this time.
>
>To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
>has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface
>
>(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.
>
>HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
>developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
>principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.
>
>
>
>Does it support the web browser application?
>
>At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
>the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices
>
>support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the
>
>development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of
>
>charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.
>
>
>
>Will updates be free?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:
>
>
>
>Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
>version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
>available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to
>
>re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
>registration.
>
>
>
>Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
>software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
>from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
>new product registration.
>
>
>
>Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
>only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
>number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
>new license.
>
>
>
>Can I get a demo/trial copy?
>
>Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,
>
>and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile
>
>screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
>is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.
>
>
>
>No trial or demo copy is available at this time.
>
>
>
>Where can I get more information?
>
>For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
>www.humanware.com/oratio.



From Susan.Kelly at pima.gov  Mon Dec  6 14:44:30 2010
From: Susan.Kelly at pima.gov (Susan Kelly)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 07:44:30 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>

Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
worked out from the initial release.  

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

 

Shannon Geihsler

 

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1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Mon Dec  6 14:50:37 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:50:37 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
	<644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>
Message-ID: <942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>

Can you tell me a little more about what this is??

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:13 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 


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Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
----- Original Message -----
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To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Mon Dec  6 15:09:15 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:09:15 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>
	<942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <39C7BE6FCDA84AE097A2B48497ED15E9@DHRL6TC1>

The Apple i-phone is the most popular phone in the US, I think.  Apple made
it talk right out of the box by creating a screen reader built into the
operating system called Voiceover.  I was a bit skeptical, because its a
touch screen phone.  But it absolutely works great.  Typing is slow, but it
is also slow on a little querty keyboard too.  I'm not the most coordinated
person with my fingers, and I have no problems.  If you go to apple.com,
select iphone, and click on accessibility, you'll be able to read about it.



-------------------------------------------
Daniel K. Beitz
Wienner & Gould, P.C.
950 University Dr., Ste. 350
Rochester, MI  48307
Phone:  (248) 841-9405
Fax:  (248) 652-2729
dbeitz at wiennergould.com
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:51 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Can you tell me a little more about what this is??

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:13 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 


-------------------------------------------
Daniel K. Beitz
Wienner & Gould, P.C.
950 University Dr., Ste. 350
Rochester, MI  48307
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
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please contact the sender and delete all copies.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From taiablas at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 19:13:07 2010
From: taiablas at gmail.com (Tai Blas)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:13:07 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
	<3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
	<192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
	<644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>
	<942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <AD845316-535A-4CD8-A173-0B918EB63B2D@gmail.com>

The iPhone also supports braille displays and has built in screen magnification. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2010, at 8:50 AM, "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com> wrote:

> Can you tell me a little more about what this is??
> 
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
> 
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:13 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
> $300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
> reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
> emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
> you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
> Fax:  (248) 652-2729
> dbeitz at wiennergould.com
> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages
> attached
> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If
> you are
> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this
> email
> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure,
> copying,
> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or
> attached to
> this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in
> error,
> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by
> telephoning
> us at (248) 841-9400.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
> uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
> it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
> e-mail onto yourregular computer.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> 
> Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?
> 
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
> 
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
> www.humanware.com.
> 
> from the Q.A off the website.
> 
> What is Oratio for BlackBerry?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
> HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
> (www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
> operate new BlackBerry smartphones.
> 
> 
> 
> What does it do?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
> HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
> audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry
> 
> smartphones.
> 
> 
> 
> Who sells and supports this product?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
> leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
> Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> When will Oratio be available for purchase?
> 
> Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
> February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
> smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> Where can I Purchase Oratio?
> 
> Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
> www.humanware.com/oratio
> 
> 
> 
> How much does Oratio cost?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
> discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
> information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> Is it the same as Mobile Speak?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
> smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
> maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
> applications for different smartphone environments.
> 
> 
> 
> Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
> and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
> smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
> other than BlackBerry.
> 
> Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
> solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more
> 
> information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
> www.codefactory.es.
> 
> Is it like TALKS?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
> screen reader software application designed specifically to support
> BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
> with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.
> 
> 
> 
> What TTS does it use?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like
> 
> that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.
> 
> 
> 
> What languages are supported?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
> upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
> Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.
> 
> 
> 
> Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
> VictorReader Stream products.
> 
> 
> 
> Does it support speech recognition?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
> text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
> readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide
> 
> speech to text functionality.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
> 8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
> English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
> software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
> 8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
> http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
> kuId=sku7757100023.
> Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
> versions will not be supported by Oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
> with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and
> 
> carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
> announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
> view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
> QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
> the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
> touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
> supported.
> 
> 
> 
> Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
> QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
> smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
> time.
> 
> 
> 
> Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?
> 
> Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
> application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
> availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
> 
> 
> Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
> access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While
> 
> Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,
> 
> HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
> BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
> third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
> disabilities at this time.
> 
> To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
> has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface
> 
> (API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.
> 
> HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
> developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
> principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.
> 
> 
> 
> Does it support the web browser application?
> 
> At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
> the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices
> 
> support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the
> 
> development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of
> 
> charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.
> 
> 
> 
> Will updates be free?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:
> 
> 
> 
> Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
> version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
> available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to
> 
> re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
> registration.
> 
> 
> 
> Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
> software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
> from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
> new product registration.
> 
> 
> 
> Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
> only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
> number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
> new license.
> 
> 
> 
> Can I get a demo/trial copy?
> 
> Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,
> 
> and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile
> 
> screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
> is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.
> 
> 
> 
> No trial or demo copy is available at this time.
> 
> 
> 
> Where can I get more information?
> 
> For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
> www.humanware.com/oratio.
> 
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From taiablas at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 19:18:23 2010
From: taiablas at gmail.com (Tai Blas)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:18:23 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>
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Last I heard, the web browser on the blackberry was not accessible using the Oratio screenreader. 
Tai


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2010, at 8:44 AM, "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov> wrote:

> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
> 
> 
> 
> Shannon Geihsler
> 
> 
> 
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> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Mon Dec  6 19:35:35 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:35:35 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
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I've never heard of anything so completely accessible like the iPhone. 


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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Tai Blas
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 2:18 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Last I heard, the web browser on the blackberry was not accessible using the
Oratio screenreader. 
Tai


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2010, at 8:44 AM, "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov> wrote:

> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
> 
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
> 
> 
> 
> Shannon Geihsler
> 
> 
> 
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Mon Dec  6 19:39:33 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:39:33 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <39C7BE6FCDA84AE097A2B48497ED15E9@DHRL6TC1>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1><942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
	<39C7BE6FCDA84AE097A2B48497ED15E9@DHRL6TC1>
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Can the I-Phone be synchronized with Outlook on a windows based computer?

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Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:09 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The Apple i-phone is the most popular phone in the US, I think.  Apple made
it talk right out of the box by creating a screen reader built into the
operating system called Voiceover.  I was a bit skeptical, because its a
touch screen phone.  But it absolutely works great.  Typing is slow, but it
is also slow on a little querty keyboard too.  I'm not the most coordinated
person with my fingers, and I have no problems.  If you go to apple.com,
select iphone, and click on accessibility, you'll be able to read about it.



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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:51 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Can you tell me a little more about what this is??

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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:13 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 


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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Mon Dec  6 19:56:43 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:56:43 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
In-Reply-To: <05E4E6339A1544F3AB1447ADD012F44B@HPLaptop>
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Yes.  It works very well.  You can even have it synchronize over the web
automatically for about $100 a year.  All you do is download the free iTunes
program from Apple, and you can activate your phone, and synchronize
anything you want, including audible books, music and outlook.  The iPhone
calendar is really neat and easy to use.  The web browser works well too,
although there are some web pages it doesn't load well, but that has nothing
to do with the screen reader.  Blackberry could have the same issues.  Most
of the pages that don't load well have free apps for the iPhone that you can
download.  For example, the economist.com website doesn't want to load, but
there is an Apple app that makes it work fine.  Because there are 16 million
iPhones sold, the number of available apps is enormous.  It would be a real
good idea to go into an apple store near you, or maybe an A T and T store to
check one out.  You might have to tell them about voice over though, because
some don't know about it, although most do.


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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Can the I-Phone be synchronized with Outlook on a windows based computer?

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The Apple i-phone is the most popular phone in the US, I think.  Apple made
it talk right out of the box by creating a screen reader built into the
operating system called Voiceover.  I was a bit skeptical, because its a
touch screen phone.  But it absolutely works great.  Typing is slow, but it
is also slow on a little querty keyboard too.  I'm not the most coordinated
person with my fingers, and I have no problems.  If you go to apple.com,
select iphone, and click on accessibility, you'll be able to read about it.



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Can you tell me a little more about what this is??

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I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing. 


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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

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Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov  Mon Dec  6 20:14:03 2010
From: Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov (Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS))
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:14:03 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <05E4E6339A1544F3AB1447ADD012F44B@HPLaptop>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1><942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop><39C7BE6FCDA84AE097A2B48497ED15E9@DHRL6TC1>
	<05E4E6339A1544F3AB1447ADD012F44B@HPLaptop>
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My office will soon be switching from Windows XP and Office 2003, all
the way to Windows 7 and Office 2010.  I use JAWS, and was wondering if
anyone out there is using JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010?  If yes,
how well does JAWS work?  Please respond only if this applies to your
situation.

Sincerely,
Tim Ford



From drdrum1 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  6 21:01:01 2010
From: drdrum1 at hotmail.com (Ian Shadrick)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:01:01 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010
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References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
	<3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
	<192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
	<644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1>
	<942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
	<39C7BE6FCDA84AE097A2B48497ED15E9@DHRL6TC1>
	<05E4E6339A1544F3AB1447ADD012F44B@HPLaptop>
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I currently teach as a Certified Vision Rehabilitation Therapist and Certified Rehabilitation Counselor, and we are using all JAWS 11 equipped computers with MS Office 2010. We have had very good success, especially those previously familiar such ad yourself. Once you learn the new layout, you should be fine. Additionally many things are actually easier than with XP.

Ian 

Ian Shadrick, M.A. CVRT, CRC

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2010, at 15:14, "Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS)" <Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov> wrote:

> My office will soon be switching from Windows XP and Office 2003, all
> the way to Windows 7 and Office 2010.  I use JAWS, and was wondering if
> anyone out there is using JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010?  If yes,
> how well does JAWS work?  Please respond only if this applies to your
> situation.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Tim Ford
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From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 18:15:52 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Job Postings U.S. Attorney offices
Message-ID: <A61B1D9ADF9E4D358371C74583EC09A5@none8a46117901>

  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TENNESSEE Vacancy Announcement #11-EDTN-AUSA-05. [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/ausa-11-edtn-05-dec62010.html ] 
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  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF COLORADO VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO. 11-CO-405647-SAUSA-03 The announcement closes on Friday, December 17, 2010. [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/appellate-sausa-dec62010.html ] 
  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE Northern District of New York Vacancy Announcement No. 11-NDNY-01.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/ausa-albany-dec62010.html ] 
  * ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT DEPUTY CHIEF, COMPUTER CRIME, GS-905-15 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE COMPUTER CRIME AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY SECTION WASHINGTON, D.C. 11-CRM-CCIPS-007.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-crm-ccips-007-dec62010.html ] 
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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Mon Dec  6 23:34:16 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 17:34:16 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>
Message-ID: <ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945>

Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted information 
on the program a while back on this.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
worked out from the initial release.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!



Shannon Geihsler



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Lubbock, TX 79401
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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Mon Dec  6 23:43:17 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 17:43:17 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
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	<30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945>
	<3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop>
	<192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945>
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	<942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <75AD44DB19994133A4AE09860F7B9A85@GPD945>

The IPhone is a Product of Apple (the company that made Mak computers, 
IPod's, Recently the IPad, and of course the IPhone).  The IPhone is a touch 
screen phone with a built in version of a screen reading program. When you 
touch something or move over something that you want to activate you double 
tap it quickly. There is also the smart touch where when you're on something 
all you do to activate the application or press the letter for typing is 
lift your finger instead of double tapping so you press down and lift for 
about 1 second and it activates the letter that you want to press. I've 
played with the IPhone before with FaceBook and sent a Text Message and it 
works quite well for me. It doesn't cost any extra to have the program.
Blaine
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Can you tell me a little more about what this is??

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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 4:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I don't know if any of you have tried the iphone, but its great.  I paid
$300 for mine, and it has 32gb and talks fully out of the box.  The screen
reader for blackberry costs almost $500 by itself.  I use my iphone for
emails, I can text, read audio books on the ipod, and just about everything
you can think of.  I have been very impressed with the thing.


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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

I'd assume so as friends of mine have their calendar from Microsoft Outlook
uploaded to their BlackBerry and they can read e-mail and send e-mail and if
it's set up propperly it will send or it will send when you download the
e-mail onto yourregular computer.
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Do you know if Blackberry can be synchronized like the Nokia?

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Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

The program that works with the BlackBerry is called Oratio.
www.humanware.com.

from the Q.A off the website.

What is Oratio for BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare (www.humanware.com), and powered by Code Factory
(www.codefactory.es) technology. It enables blind customers to access and
operate new BlackBerry smartphones.



What does it do?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a screen reader software solution from
HumanWare that provides blind and visually impaired customers with an
audible output of information displayed visually on the screen of BlackBerry

smartphones.



Who sells and supports this product?

Oratio for BlackBerry is marketed, sold and supported by HumanWare, the
leader in technology for the print disabled.  For more information about
Oratio, including how to purchase a license today, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



When will Oratio be available for purchase?

Oratio will be available for sale in US English from HumanWare as of
February 1st, 2010. For more information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry
smartphones, please visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Where can I Purchase Oratio?

Oratio is available for purchase directly from HumanWare at
www.humanware.com/oratio



How much does Oratio cost?

Oratio for BlackBerry retails for $449 US for a single user license. Volume
discount opportunity will be available for 50 licenses or more. For more
information about buying Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.



Is it the same as Mobile Speak?

Oratio for BlackBerry is designed specifically to support BlackBerry
smartphones. While Oratio is developed in partnership with CodeFactory, the
maker of the award-winning Mobile Speak screen reader, these are different
applications for different smartphone environments.



Is it compatible with Windows Mobile or Symbian based phones?

Oratio for BlackBerry is a screen reader solution designed to enable blind
and visually impaired customers to access and operate BlackBerry
smartphones. As such, Oratio does not support any other device or platform
other than BlackBerry.

Mobile Speak from Code Factory is an award-winning screen reader software
solution that does support Windows Mobile and Symbian based phones. For more

information about Code Factory Mobile Speak, please visit
www.codefactory.es.

Is it like TALKS?

Oratio for BlackBerry differs from other screen readers as it is the first
screen reader software application designed specifically to support
BlackBerry smartphones, and provide blind and visually impaired customers
with access to the popular line of BlackBerry smartphone.



What TTS does it use?

Oratio for BlackBerry implements a familiar and high quality TTS engine like

that found on the HumanWare VictorReader Stream.



What languages are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will first be release in North America English with
upcoming support for multiple languages, including UK English, French,
Italian, German and Spanish languages soon thereafter.



Each language includes a voice similar to those found on the HumanWare
VictorReader Stream products.



Does it support speech recognition?

Oratio for BlackBerry is screen reader application that leverages
text-to-speech output for blind users. As is the case with all other screen
readers on mobile phones, Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones does not provide

speech to text functionality.





Which BlackBerry smartphone models are supported?

Oratio for BlackBerry will initially support use on the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone running BlackBerry device software version 4.6.1.297, in US
English. At this time, the wireless carrier selling this device with this
software version is AT&T. For more information about the BlackBerry Curve
8520 smartphone from AT&T Wireless, visit
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackberry-curve-8520/index.jsp?s
kuId=sku7757100023.
Other BlackBerry Curve 8520 smartphone models with previous device software
versions will not be supported by Oratio.



HumanWare's strategy is to provide support for new BlackBerry smartphones
with QWERTY keyboards, which will provide customers with multiple device and

carrier options. As new BlackBerry devices are supported they will be
announced on the Oratio web page under supported devices section. You can
view all supported devices at anytime at www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does it support the BlackBerry Storm smartphone?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards.  Other form factors of BlackBerry smartphones, including
the mini QWERTY keyboard found on the BlackBerry Pearl smartphone and the
touch screen interface found on the BlackBerry Storm2 smartphone, are not
supported.



Can I load it on my existing BlackBerry smartphone model?

Oratio for BlackBerry will support new BlackBerry smartphones with full
QWERTY keyboards. Due to the requirement for TTS support, BlackBerry
smartphones already available for sale in market are not supported at this
time.



Does it come preloaded on the BlackBerry smartphone?

Oratio is sold and supported by HumanWare as a third party software
application for BlackBerry smartphones. For more information about the
availability of Oratio, visit www.humanware.com/oratio.



Does Oratio support all applications on BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry enables blind and visually impaired customers to
access and operate BlackBerry smartphones and their core applications. While

Research In Motion (RIM), the maker of the BlackBerry portfolio of products,

HumanWare and Code Factory have collaborated to ensure that Oratio for
BlackBerry smartphones is a feature rich product, some applications from
third party software vendors may or may not be accessible by persons with
disabilities at this time.

To facilitate the development of accessible third party applications, RIM
has developed the BlackBerry Accessibility Application Programming Interface

(API), and the BlackBerry Accessibility Development Guide.

HumanWare and RIM will continue to work with third party application
developers to create applications that implement Universal Design
principles, and that are accessible by persons with disabilities.



Does it support the web browser application?

At time of launch, Oratio for BlackBerry will only offer partial support to
the web browser application given selected web content offers mobile devices

support and is accessible. HumanWare, Code Factory and RIM will focus on the

development of this application for the first upgrade and provide it free of

charge to Oratio for Blackberry users.



Will updates be free?

Oratio for BlackBerry updates will be offered in 2 distinct formats:



Minor updates: minor improvements and corrections on an already existing
version of Oratio will be provided free of charge. These updates will be
available from the HumanWare website for free download. You will not need to

re-register these updated versions and it will not affect your license
registration.



Major Updates: new application functionality will be provided through new
software versions at a given cost. These major updates will be available
from the HumanWare website for download and installation and will require a
new product registration.



Will I be able to transfer the software to an updated BlackBerry?

Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones is a dedicated software license that can
only be activated for and through a specific BlackBerry device product
number. Upgrading to a new supported device will require the purchase of a
new license.



Can I get a demo/trial copy?

Oratio for BlackBerry was designed with the feedback of the blind community,

and benefits from Code Factory's experience and expertise in building mobile

screen reader applications for blind users. This means that the application
is well positioned to meet the needs of our customer's right out of the box.



No trial or demo copy is available at this time.



Where can I get more information?

For more information about Oratio for BlackBerry smartphones, please visit
www.humanware.com/oratio.


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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 00:42:02 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:42:02 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Mobile Speak and Mobile Geo for Sale
Message-ID: <E15F6D167DC14CB3A1AF82ACCC400E7C@Rufus>

Hello,

I have the latest copies of Mobile Speak and Mobile Geo for sale.  If you're
new to Mobile Speak, it is a screen reading software for Windows Mobile
phones.  Mobile Geo provides GPS navigation software.  Please scroll down
for links to the complete list of features.

1. I'll sell Mobile Geo by itself for $600.  This is $295 off the normal
price.  If you want to pay in two installments, I'll let it go for $700,
which is still $88 less than the lowest price I could find online.

2. I'll sell Mobile Speak and Mobile Geo together for $900.  This is $290
off of what it would cost for both products and $163 less than the lowest
prices I could find for both products together.  If you want to pay in two
installments, I'll let them go for an even $1,000.

Notes:

A. People who want to arrange for two installments should be prepared to
sign a contract and be prepared to schedule an automatic future payment.

B. If you can find an online deal that beats my rate, send me the link to an
established company.

C. Only PayPal is accepted.  You need not have a PayPal account to pay with
a credit or debit card.

D. You need Mobile Speak to run Mobile Geo.  For a list of compatible phones
that run Mobile Speak, please visit:

http://www.codefactory.es/en/phoneslist.asp?id=342

E. For information on Mobile Speak, please visit:

http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=316

F. For information on Mobile Geo, please visit:

http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopmgeo.htm

Looking forward to some serious inquiries,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing



From sbg at sbgaal.com  Tue Dec  7 15:22:01 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:22:01 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>
	<ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945>
Message-ID: <E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop>

How big is this keyboard?

Thanks,

Shannon

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
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Fax: 749-3752

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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted information 
on the program a while back on this.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
worked out from the initial release.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!



Shannon Geihsler



Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Tue Dec  7 15:33:00 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:33:00 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
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References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov><ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945>
	<E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop>
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Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't be
afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
need to read the write-up on the apple website.


-------------------------------------------
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Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
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Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard

How big is this keyboard?

Thanks,

Shannon

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1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted information 
on the program a while back on this.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
worked out from the initial release.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!



Shannon Geihsler



Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
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From mworkman.lists at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 16:42:30 2010
From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:42:30 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov><ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945><E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop>
	<B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1>
Message-ID: <6C1D63F383854780A0AD7F58440700AD@MarcPC>

I'm using an apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone, and the keyboard is 
approximately one foot long and six inches wide.  I haven't actually seen a 
Blackberry keyboard, but I can't imagine that its keyboard is anywhere near 
the same size.

A friendly suggestion, there are other, better places to find out about the 
experience of blind people using an iPhone.  Check out Apple Vis
http://applevis.com/

or check out the Apple site on accessibility
www.apple.com/accessibility


regards,

Marc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel K. Beitz" <dbeitz at wiennergould.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard


> Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't 
> be
> afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
> three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
> doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
> need to read the write-up on the apple website.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>
> How big is this keyboard?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shannon
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted 
> information
> on the program a while back on this.
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>
> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
>
>
>
> Shannon Geihsler
>
>
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Tue Dec  7 16:45:07 2010
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:45:07 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1><942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
	<AD845316-535A-4CD8-A173-0B918EB63B2D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA91CA5D3FBB40BEB5C7FE07A1841AF3@valtd>

Hi Everyone:

Anyone knows of an attorney in the Denver area that takes cases relating to 
disability and Social Security?  If yes, I'd apreciate names and contact 
phone numbers.  This enquiry is for a friend, much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Tue Dec  7 16:49:51 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:49:51 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <6C1D63F383854780A0AD7F58440700AD@MarcPC>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov><ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945><E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop><B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1>
	<6C1D63F383854780A0AD7F58440700AD@MarcPC>
Message-ID: <1A9735AC84D44FD2A1CB10F754F0EDCD@DHRL6TC1>

My comparison was between the qwerty keyboard on the blackberry, and the
small keyboard on the apple touch screen.  I too have used the Bluetooth
keyboard, but find it pretty easy to use the on-screen keyboard once you get
used to it.  I'm not about to cary a separate keyboard with me.


-------------------------------------------
Daniel K. Beitz
Wienner & Gould, P.C.
950 University Dr., Ste. 350
Rochester, MI  48307
Phone:  (248) 841-9405
Fax:  (248) 652-2729
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marc Workman
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:43 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

I'm using an apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone, and the keyboard is 
approximately one foot long and six inches wide.  I haven't actually seen a 
Blackberry keyboard, but I can't imagine that its keyboard is anywhere near 
the same size.

A friendly suggestion, there are other, better places to find out about the 
experience of blind people using an iPhone.  Check out Apple Vis
http://applevis.com/

or check out the Apple site on accessibility
www.apple.com/accessibility


regards,

Marc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel K. Beitz" <dbeitz at wiennergould.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard


> Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't 
> be
> afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
> three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
> doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
> need to read the write-up on the apple website.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
> Fax:  (248) 652-2729
> dbeitz at wiennergould.com
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>
> How big is this keyboard?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shannon
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted 
> information
> on the program a while back on this.
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>
> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
>
>
>
> Shannon Geihsler
>
>
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
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> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Tue Dec  7 17:41:07 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:41:07 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <1A9735AC84D44FD2A1CB10F754F0EDCD@DHRL6TC1>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov><ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945><E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop><B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1><6C1D63F383854780A0AD7F58440700AD@MarcPC>
	<1A9735AC84D44FD2A1CB10F754F0EDCD@DHRL6TC1>
Message-ID: <3141F7760F244F208599EF3BF1126331@HPLaptop>

Ow good is your vision?  

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel K. Beitz
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:50 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

My comparison was between the qwerty keyboard on the blackberry, and the
small keyboard on the apple touch screen.  I too have used the Bluetooth
keyboard, but find it pretty easy to use the on-screen keyboard once you get
used to it.  I'm not about to cary a separate keyboard with me.


-------------------------------------------
Daniel K. Beitz
Wienner & Gould, P.C.
950 University Dr., Ste. 350
Rochester, MI  48307
Phone:  (248) 841-9405
Fax:  (248) 652-2729
dbeitz at wiennergould.com
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marc Workman
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:43 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

I'm using an apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone, and the keyboard is 
approximately one foot long and six inches wide.  I haven't actually seen a 
Blackberry keyboard, but I can't imagine that its keyboard is anywhere near 
the same size.

A friendly suggestion, there are other, better places to find out about the 
experience of blind people using an iPhone.  Check out Apple Vis
http://applevis.com/

or check out the Apple site on accessibility
www.apple.com/accessibility


regards,

Marc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel K. Beitz" <dbeitz at wiennergould.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard


> Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't 
> be
> afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
> three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
> doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
> need to read the write-up on the apple website.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
> Fax:  (248) 652-2729
> dbeitz at wiennergould.com
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>
> How big is this keyboard?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shannon
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted 
> information
> on the program a while back on this.
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>
> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
>
>
>
> Shannon Geihsler
>
>
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Tue Dec  7 17:49:55 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:49:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
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	<3141F7760F244F208599EF3BF1126331@HPLaptop>
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I have no vision. 


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Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

Ow good is your vision?  

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
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Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:50 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

My comparison was between the qwerty keyboard on the blackberry, and the
small keyboard on the apple touch screen.  I too have used the Bluetooth
keyboard, but find it pretty easy to use the on-screen keyboard once you get
used to it.  I'm not about to cary a separate keyboard with me.


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Behalf Of Marc Workman
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:43 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard

I'm using an apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone, and the keyboard is 
approximately one foot long and six inches wide.  I haven't actually seen a 
Blackberry keyboard, but I can't imagine that its keyboard is anywhere near 
the same size.

A friendly suggestion, there are other, better places to find out about the 
experience of blind people using an iPhone.  Check out Apple Vis
http://applevis.com/

or check out the Apple site on accessibility
www.apple.com/accessibility


regards,

Marc
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Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard


> Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't 
> be
> afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
> three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
> doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
> need to read the write-up on the apple website.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
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> Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>
> How big is this keyboard?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shannon
>
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> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
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> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted 
> information
> on the program a while back on this.
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
>
> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
> worked out from the initial release.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>
> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
> of
> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
>
>
>
> Shannon Geihsler
>
>
>
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From mworkman.lists at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 18:13:53 2010
From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:13:53 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
In-Reply-To: <1A9735AC84D44FD2A1CB10F754F0EDCD@DHRL6TC1>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov><ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945><E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop><B3975EB722534AF4AC501816E22B776F@DHRL6TC1><6C1D63F383854780A0AD7F58440700AD@MarcPC>
	<1A9735AC84D44FD2A1CB10F754F0EDCD@DHRL6TC1>
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Ah, what through me was the fact that the subject line said Apple Bluetooth 
Keyboard.  Well, it originally said Applie Bluetooth Keyboard, but you know 
what I mean.

I typically use the on screen keyboard as well.  But if you are writing 
anything more than a few sentences, for example, keeping this on topic with 
the list, if you're taking notes during a deposition or doing whatever it is 
lawyers do, then you aren't going to want to use the on screen keyboard. 
Nor, of course, would you want to use a Blackberry for this either, but you 
might actually find this sort of activity easy and convenient on the Apple's 
bluetooth keyboard.  And though it means carrying around the keyboard, it is 
much much lighter than any laptop, netbook, or note taking device.

So it really depends on how much writing you want to do on the device.

And, Shannon, no sight is required to operate the device, but it does have 
magnification capabilities built in for people who can use such a feature.

Regards,

Marc

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To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard


> My comparison was between the qwerty keyboard on the blackberry, and the
> small keyboard on the apple touch screen.  I too have used the Bluetooth
> keyboard, but find it pretty easy to use the on-screen keyboard once you 
> get
> used to it.  I'm not about to cary a separate keyboard with me.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
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> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
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> Behalf Of Marc Workman
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:43 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and apple blue tooth keyboard
>
> I'm using an apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone, and the keyboard is
> approximately one foot long and six inches wide.  I haven't actually seen 
> a
> Blackberry keyboard, but I can't imagine that its keyboard is anywhere 
> near
> the same size.
>
> A friendly suggestion, there are other, better places to find out about 
> the
> experience of blind people using an iPhone.  Check out Apple Vis
> http://applevis.com/
>
> or check out the Apple site on accessibility
> www.apple.com/accessibility
>
>
> regards,
>
> Marc
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Daniel K. Beitz" <dbeitz at wiennergould.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>
>
>> Probably about the size of a qwerty keyboard on a blackberry.  I wouldn't
>> be
>> afraid of this device.  Its pretty darned good.  I've been using mine for
>> three months now, and I can do what ever I want to do.  The apple way of
>> doing things does take some getting used to, but its well worth it.  You
>> need to read the write-up on the apple website.
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------
>> Daniel K. Beitz
>> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
>> Rochester, MI  48307
>> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
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>>
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>> Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:22 AM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
>>
>> How big is this keyboard?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
>> Lubbock, TX 79401
>> Phone: 763-3999
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>>
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>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>>
>> Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted
>> information
>> on the program a while back on this.
>> Blaine
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>>
>>
>> Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
>> Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
>> buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
>> worked out from the initial release.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader
>>
>> Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
>> does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
>> of
>> the Talks program with various mobile phones?
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Shannon Geihsler
>>
>>
>>
>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
>> Lubbock, TX 79401
>> Phone: 763-3999
>> Fax: 749-3752
>>
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Tue Dec  7 18:42:35 2010
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 12:42:35 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010
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Tim,

If you have received any responses to your question, I didn't see them so am chiming in.  While I am a Window-Eyes user, I do try to maintain familiarity with 
JFW and believe that my comments here will fit.  It is my understanding that the latest version of JFW will work with Office 2010 and with Windows 7.  What 
you need to keep in mind, though, is that there are differences in both Windows 7 and Office 2007 and 2010 that will mean that you need to do some 
learning as you move from Windows XP and Office 2003.  You may also have decisions to make.

In office 2007 and 2010, Microsoft changed their traditional menus to use what they call a ribbon.  While the ribbon is completely accessible, it does change 
the keystrokes that you may be used to to make certain things happen.  In some cases, it takes more keystrokes and they are not always very obvious.  
Some say they get used to it quickly and others not.  JFW has come out with something that is supposed to make the ribbon look like the old menus.  You 
may find this useful, but I think there are questions that one might want to ask before going that route.  Do you work in an office setting where you 
exchange information with co-workers as to how to do various tasks?  If you do, you are going to be best served by simply learning the ribbon so you have a 
common reference point.  You will also want to know how the JFW menu approach affects keystrokes.  If it recreates the old keystrokes, that might be 
handy but it means that any Office help or other documents that refer to keystrokes will be incorrect.  I do not have experience with this so I don't know how 
it works.  You will also want to know if every function on the ribbon is duplicated in JFW's menu, and if not, how do you get to it.  Again, there may be good 
answers to this, too.

Regarding Windows 7, it won't seem completely new, but some things are different such as the "Start menu."  If you tend to add shortcuts to your desktop 
and run them from there, you will notice little difference.  If you use the Start Menu, you'll find that it works quite a bit differently.  Many Windows 7 processes 
including the "start menu" have a search box that lets you type in something and have matching entries displayed.  This works surprisingly well in my 
experience, and if you use the start menu, you might come to like this approach rather than always arrowing all over.

If your office is upgrading, I believe that it is stable enough for you to upgrade.  You will want to make the move sometime and the need to get through the 
learning curve won't be any easier in a year or two.  <smile>

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:14:03 -0800, Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS) wrote:

>My office will soon be switching from Windows XP and Office 2003, all
>the way to Windows 7 and Office 2010.  I use JAWS, and was wondering if
>anyone out there is using JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010?  If yes,
>how well does JAWS work?  Please respond only if this applies to your
>situation.

>Sincerely,
>Tim Ford


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Dec  7 18:56:43 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:56:43 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES
In-Reply-To: <AA91CA5D3FBB40BEB5C7FE07A1841AF3@valtd>
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1><942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop>
	<AD845316-535A-4CD8-A173-0B918EB63B2D@gmail.com>
	<AA91CA5D3FBB40BEB5C7FE07A1841AF3@valtd>
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B82C3B672@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

You might try calling the law offices of Scott LaBarre at (303) 504-5979.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:45 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES

Hi Everyone:

Anyone knows of an attorney in the Denver area that takes cases relating to 
disability and Social Security?  If yes, I'd apreciate names and contact 
phone numbers.  This enquiry is for a friend, much thanks!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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From rthomas at emplmntattorney.com  Tue Dec  7 19:13:53 2010
From: rthomas at emplmntattorney.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:13:53 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <auto-000025877390@mailback1.g2host.com>
References: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F60699AE06@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov>
	<auto-000025877390@mailback1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <D45A242D1B9F408293CE3EF9DF6BCC58@RThomas>


If everyone in your office is switching to Windows 7 and Office 2010, simply
from the standpoint of document compatibility, you will probably need to use
these programs. 

I have found trying to use the ribbon a bit challenging to say the least;
however, my sentiments in this regard are shared by many of my sighted
friends. One good feature of Jaws 12, is the virtual ribbon.  Once you have
some idea of the concept of the ribbon, the virtual ribbon feature is a big
help.

You can also download keystrokes for Office 2010 from the Microsoft website.
I have found this very helpful.

If you read Braille, get a list of the keystrokes embossed in Braille, so
you can look them up without leaving whatever documents you might be working
on.  



Respectfully,

 

Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:43 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010

Tim,

If you have received any responses to your question, I didn't see them so am
chiming in.  While I am a Window-Eyes user, I do try to maintain familiarity
with 
JFW and believe that my comments here will fit.  It is my understanding that
the latest version of JFW will work with Office 2010 and with Windows 7.
What 
you need to keep in mind, though, is that there are differences in both
Windows 7 and Office 2007 and 2010 that will mean that you need to do some 
learning as you move from Windows XP and Office 2003.  You may also have
decisions to make.

In office 2007 and 2010, Microsoft changed their traditional menus to use
what they call a ribbon.  While the ribbon is completely accessible, it does
change 
the keystrokes that you may be used to to make certain things happen.  In
some cases, it takes more keystrokes and they are not always very obvious.  
Some say they get used to it quickly and others not.  JFW has come out with
something that is supposed to make the ribbon look like the old menus.  You 
may find this useful, but I think there are questions that one might want to
ask before going that route.  Do you work in an office setting where you 
exchange information with co-workers as to how to do various tasks?  If you
do, you are going to be best served by simply learning the ribbon so you
have a 
common reference point.  You will also want to know how the JFW menu
approach affects keystrokes.  If it recreates the old keystrokes, that might
be 
handy but it means that any Office help or other documents that refer to
keystrokes will be incorrect.  I do not have experience with this so I don't
know how 
it works.  You will also want to know if every function on the ribbon is
duplicated in JFW's menu, and if not, how do you get to it.  Again, there
may be good 
answers to this, too.

Regarding Windows 7, it won't seem completely new, but some things are
different such as the "Start menu."  If you tend to add shortcuts to your
desktop 
and run them from there, you will notice little difference.  If you use the
Start Menu, you'll find that it works quite a bit differently.  Many Windows
7 processes 
including the "start menu" have a search box that lets you type in something
and have matching entries displayed.  This works surprisingly well in my 
experience, and if you use the start menu, you might come to like this
approach rather than always arrowing all over.

If your office is upgrading, I believe that it is stable enough for you to
upgrade.  You will want to make the move sometime and the need to get
through the 
learning curve won't be any easier in a year or two.  <smile>

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:14:03 -0800, Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS) wrote:

>My office will soon be switching from Windows XP and Office 2003, all
>the way to Windows 7 and Office 2010.  I use JAWS, and was wondering if
>anyone out there is using JAWS with Windows 7 and Office 2010?  If yes,
>how well does JAWS work?  Please respond only if this applies to your
>situation.

>Sincerely,
>Tim Ford


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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec  7 20:34:56 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:34:56 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop><30B318B363D1444F943AB66E63B16B27@GPD945><3E84DC45405344A4B37BE05741087EC0@HPLaptop><192E519F4A984AD7A14622393647A7C5@GPD945><644D0AC5214D4A04B258349DC84947CA@D9DWCYF1><942C1C3498BC4293B26BC20C9A0078E5@HPLaptop><AD845316-535A-4CD8-A173-0B918EB63B2D@gmail.com><AA91CA5D3FBB40BEB5C7FE07A1841AF3@valtd>
	<E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B82C3B672@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <02f501cb964e$36814c90$6601a8c0@server>

I concur with Noel, Call Scott.  He is in Denver, he is an excellent lawyer, 
and he has been doing this type of work for a long  time.
Good luck,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nightingale, Noel" <Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov>
To: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com>; 
"NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES


> You might try calling the law offices of Scott LaBarre at (303) 504-5979.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:45 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: [blindlaw] DISABILITY ISSUES
>
> Hi Everyone:
>
> Anyone knows of an attorney in the Denver area that takes cases relating 
> to
> disability and Social Security?  If yes, I'd apreciate names and contact
> phone numbers.  This enquiry is for a friend, much thanks!!
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Tue Dec  7 20:42:12 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 14:42:12 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard
References: <8D73100B1C294A2BB2F9B8F28A5C874E@HPLaptop>
	<1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7069BB18A@EVS02.central.pima.gov>
	<ADB90B7C71544BEAA3614E0A9D46C1EC@GPD945>
	<E4AD6D62C1D5440FB64F89DE027F064B@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <AB979D4EC32A4222979A80CD3F2A1B99@GPD945>

The keyboard is as large as the  phone. You can use it like a regular 
telephone numberPad with the letters or turn it on it's side with the home 
key to your left (something most people do when writing) to landescape and 
the keyboard is the entire length of the phone. If you go to AT&T they 
should be able to turn it on and let you play with the phone right in the 
store, that's what Rogers did for me.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:22 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] I-Phone and applie blue tooth keyboard


How big is this keyboard?

Thanks,

Shannon

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:34 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Yes it's Humanwear. www.humanware.com and it's oratio. I posted information
on the program a while back on this.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kelly" <Susan.Kelly at pima.gov>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader


Humanware (I think that's the company) has a program called Oratio for
Blackberrys.  I do not know yet how it works - my office is willing to
buy it, but I wanted to wait to find out if the bugs, if any, had been
worked out from the initial release.

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:08 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] Blackberry and screen reader

Does anyone know if a program like Talks works with a Black Berry?  Also
does anyone know where I can find some information about compatibility
of
the Talks program with various mobile phones?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!



Shannon Geihsler



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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  8 06:00:21 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:00:21 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to blind
Message-ID: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>

Court orders Ottawa to make websites accessible to blind 
Paola Loriggio 
Toronto- The Canadian Press (includes clarification) 
Published Monday, Nov. 29, 2010 1:21PM ESTLast updated Tuesday, Nov. 30, 2010 5:12PM 

The federal government is being ordered to make its websites accessible to visually impaired users - and the judge who issued the directive Monday says he'll be watching to make sure Ottawa follows through. 

Federal Court Justice Michael Kelen gave the government 15 months to update its websites after a blind Toronto woman said she was unable to apply for a public service job online. 

Donna Jodhan, a special-needs business consultant with a MBA, launched a constitutional challenge aiming to grant visually impaired people equal access to the services and information on several federal government websites. 

On Monday the court found the government "has not implemented existing accessibility standards and that some of the standards are obsolete." 

The court will monitor the government's progress in making the change, Judge Kelen said in the decision. 

David Baker, Ms. Jodhan's lawyer, said it's "extremely rare" for the court to follow a case so closely after making a decision. 

"Historically, courts have declared when there is a charter violation based on the assumption that the government will bring itself into compliance," he said. 

In this case, the court may compel the government to disclose what it has done to make the sites more accessible, likely through internal audits, Mr. Baker added. 

What's more, Ms. Jodhan can "force the matter back into court" if Ottawa doesn't co-operate, he said. 

The ruling is a "shot in the arm" for the blind and sight-impaired community, said Ms. Jodhan, who added it's a sign that people shouldn't be afraid to stand up for their rights. 

"In the case of the mainstream community, I think it will certainly help build awareness as far as why it's so important for blind and sight-impaired Canadians to be able to independently access their own information on government websites," she said. 

Government lawyers had argued there was no discrimination because those same services are provided in other formats, such as on the phone, in person or by mail. 

"We are continuing to look at ways to make information more accessible to all Canadians," Jay Denney, spokesman for the Treasury Board, said in an e-mail Monday. The Treasury Board is responsible for enforcing accessibility standards. 

Jutta Treviranus, director of the University of Toronto's Adaptative Technology Resource Centre and one of the experts involved in the case, said the decision will save taxpayers money in the long run. 

"If you think about how the incidence of disability in Canada is increasing as we age, and so it'll become a much more important thing as the years progress, and the earlier we do it, the less it will cost," she said. 

With more and more government services moving online, it's easier to make them accessible from the start than to retrofit them all later, she said, adding that government staff already have much of the technical tools and know-how they need to take action. 

Ms. Jodhan, who has been blind since birth, filed the challenge in 2007 after struggling through several attempts to apply for government positions through the job bank website. 

She also had problems accessing data on the Statistics Canada website, filling out an online census form, and viewing information on the Canada Pension Plan on the Service Canada website. 

Despite her extensive technological training - she won four awards from IBM for technical initiatives - Ms. Jodhan found herself relying on sighted individuals to help her navigate the sites, or on government employees to provide accurate information in a timely manner, she said in an affidavit. 

Many blind people use screen readers, computer software that translates electronic text into audio. But the readers aren't foolproof - for one thing, some can't decipher interactive web applications such as the government's ePass web portal. 

In 2001 the government adopted a web protocol known as the Common Look and Feel Standard, which requires government department websites to be designed and programmed to ensure they can be accessed by visually impaired users. 

The Treasury Board conducted a spot audit of 47 of the 146 federal departments in 2007 and found that none complied with the standard. No follow-up information was presented in court. 

The federal government's chief information officer, Ken Cochrane, told the court each department was responsible for implementing the standard. 

The court ruled that Ottawa must update the standard to make interactive applications accessible. 

It also found that visually impaired people are disadvantaged by having to obtain the information available online through other means, such as the phone or mail. 

The court also determined Ms. Jodhan's legal fees should be reimbursed because the case was in the public interest. 

Editor's note: An earlier version of this Canadian Press story that was online and in Tuesday's Globe and Mail reported that most screen readers (computer software that translates electronic text into audio for the visually impaired) cannot decipher PDF files. That statement was based on arguments made in Federal Court in Donna Jodhan's constitutional challenge against the federal government. However, a spokesman for Adobe Systems, the creator of PDF file technology, says that at present, and in 2007 when Ms. Jodhan initiated her case, most screen readers can read PDF files. 

© 2010 CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc. All Rights Reserved.

The complete ruling can be found here
http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-1190-07%20decision%20ENG%2029-11-2010.htm

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec  8 13:27:10 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:27:10 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty  office job postings
Message-ID: <E295E9DB4BC5483D9A0549C32292BFDD@none8a46117901>

  * DEPUTY CHIEF, GS-905-15 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION HUMAN RIGHTS AND SPECIAL PROSECUTIONS SECTION WASHINGTON, D.C. 11-CRM-HRSP-009The position is open until filled but applications must be received by the Section no later than December 24, 2010. [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-11-crm-hrsp-009.htm ] 
  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE Attorney Advisor, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 11-EOUSA-003 OPEN: 12/07/2010 CLOSE: 12/24/2010.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-11-eousa003.htm ] 

"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure."

- - - Mark Twain 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec  8 13:37:51 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:37:51 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] For fun...
Message-ID: <2DFD0CE75B4E454D9A85DFAB128515AC@none8a46117901>

Holiday cooking/eating tips:

1. If you eat standing up, it won't go to your hips.

 

2. If it has been liquified, all of the calories are out of it.

 

3. Do NOT use a clothes dryer to thaw out a frozen turkey. 

(that was from my wife - but hey, the turkey gets thawed out, the meat is pre-tenderized and if you take it out of the dryer right when the cycle is done, there are no unsightly wrinkles in it, and it is ready to just pop into the oven. If you close the door to the laundry room during the "thawing process" , the noise isn't all that bad - besides, nobody will see the dents on the inside of the dryer. 

(Rachel Ray, eat your heart out)

 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rthomas at emplmntattorney.com  Wed Dec  8 14:56:25 2010
From: rthomas at emplmntattorney.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 06:56:25 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to
	blind
In-Reply-To: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>
References: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>
Message-ID: <DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas>

Suggestion: Set up articles like this so that they can be shared on Twitter.


Respectfully,

 

Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101

Newport Beach, California 92660                             

T: (949) 752-0101                             

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:00 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to
blind

Court orders Ottawa to make websites accessible to blind 
Paola Loriggio 
Toronto- The Canadian Press (includes clarification) 
Published Monday, Nov. 29, 2010 1:21PM ESTLast updated Tuesday, Nov. 30,
2010 5:12PM 

The federal government is being ordered to make its websites accessible to
visually impaired users - and the judge who issued the directive Monday says
he'll be watching to make sure Ottawa follows through. 

Federal Court Justice Michael Kelen gave the government 15 months to update
its websites after a blind Toronto woman said she was unable to apply for a
public service job online. 

Donna Jodhan, a special-needs business consultant with a MBA, launched a
constitutional challenge aiming to grant visually impaired people equal
access to the services and information on several federal government
websites. 

On Monday the court found the government "has not implemented existing
accessibility standards and that some of the standards are obsolete." 

The court will monitor the government's progress in making the change, Judge
Kelen said in the decision. 

David Baker, Ms. Jodhan's lawyer, said it's "extremely rare" for the court
to follow a case so closely after making a decision. 

"Historically, courts have declared when there is a charter violation based
on the assumption that the government will bring itself into compliance," he
said. 

In this case, the court may compel the government to disclose what it has
done to make the sites more accessible, likely through internal audits, Mr.
Baker added. 

What's more, Ms. Jodhan can "force the matter back into court" if Ottawa
doesn't co-operate, he said. 

The ruling is a "shot in the arm" for the blind and sight-impaired
community, said Ms. Jodhan, who added it's a sign that people shouldn't be
afraid to stand up for their rights. 

"In the case of the mainstream community, I think it will certainly help
build awareness as far as why it's so important for blind and sight-impaired
Canadians to be able to independently access their own information on
government websites," she said. 

Government lawyers had argued there was no discrimination because those same
services are provided in other formats, such as on the phone, in person or
by mail. 

"We are continuing to look at ways to make information more accessible to
all Canadians," Jay Denney, spokesman for the Treasury Board, said in an
e-mail Monday. The Treasury Board is responsible for enforcing accessibility
standards. 

Jutta Treviranus, director of the University of Toronto's Adaptative
Technology Resource Centre and one of the experts involved in the case, said
the decision will save taxpayers money in the long run. 

"If you think about how the incidence of disability in Canada is increasing
as we age, and so it'll become a much more important thing as the years
progress, and the earlier we do it, the less it will cost," she said. 

With more and more government services moving online, it's easier to make
them accessible from the start than to retrofit them all later, she said,
adding that government staff already have much of the technical tools and
know-how they need to take action. 

Ms. Jodhan, who has been blind since birth, filed the challenge in 2007
after struggling through several attempts to apply for government positions
through the job bank website. 

She also had problems accessing data on the Statistics Canada website,
filling out an online census form, and viewing information on the Canada
Pension Plan on the Service Canada website. 

Despite her extensive technological training - she won four awards from IBM
for technical initiatives - Ms. Jodhan found herself relying on sighted
individuals to help her navigate the sites, or on government employees to
provide accurate information in a timely manner, she said in an affidavit. 

Many blind people use screen readers, computer software that translates
electronic text into audio. But the readers aren't foolproof - for one
thing, some can't decipher interactive web applications such as the
government's ePass web portal. 

In 2001 the government adopted a web protocol known as the Common Look and
Feel Standard, which requires government department websites to be designed
and programmed to ensure they can be accessed by visually impaired users. 

The Treasury Board conducted a spot audit of 47 of the 146 federal
departments in 2007 and found that none complied with the standard. No
follow-up information was presented in court. 

The federal government's chief information officer, Ken Cochrane, told the
court each department was responsible for implementing the standard. 

The court ruled that Ottawa must update the standard to make interactive
applications accessible. 

It also found that visually impaired people are disadvantaged by having to
obtain the information available online through other means, such as the
phone or mail. 

The court also determined Ms. Jodhan's legal fees should be reimbursed
because the case was in the public interest. 

Editor's note: An earlier version of this Canadian Press story that was
online and in Tuesday's Globe and Mail reported that most screen readers
(computer software that translates electronic text into audio for the
visually impaired) cannot decipher PDF files. That statement was based on
arguments made in Federal Court in Donna Jodhan's constitutional challenge
against the federal government. However, a spokesman for Adobe Systems, the
creator of PDF file technology, says that at present, and in 2007 when Ms.
Jodhan initiated her case, most screen readers can read PDF files. 

C 2010 CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc. All Rights Reserved.

The complete ruling can be found here
http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-1190-07%20decision%20ENG%2029-11-
2010.htm
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  8 18:48:31 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:48:31 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible
	toblind
References: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>
	<DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas>
Message-ID: <03b501cb9708$835db480$6601a8c0@server>

Hi Russell,
I must confess that I don't understand how twitter actually works.  Can 
entire articles be posted on twitter?  I had heard about tweets on twitter 
but I thought these were small single line messages with very limited space. 
If you could bring me up to speed it would be appreciated.
Best,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr." <rthomas at emplmntattorney.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible 
toblind


> Suggestion: Set up articles like this so that they can be shared on 
> Twitter.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Russell J. Thomas, Jr.
>
> Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr.
>
> 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101
>
> Newport Beach, California 92660
>
> T: (949) 752-0101
>
> F: (949) 257-4756
>
> M: (949) 466-7238
>
> www.emplmnattorney.com
>
> Follow me on Twitter:  EmplmntAttorney
>
>
>
> PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS, EFF. 6/1/2010:
> RTHOMAS at EMPLMNTATTORNEY.COM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:00 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to
> blind
>
> Court orders Ottawa to make websites accessible to blind
> Paola Loriggio
> Toronto- The Canadian Press (includes clarification)
> Published Monday, Nov. 29, 2010 1:21PM ESTLast updated Tuesday, Nov. 30,
> 2010 5:12PM
>
> The federal government is being ordered to make its websites accessible to
> visually impaired users - and the judge who issued the directive Monday 
> says
> he'll be watching to make sure Ottawa follows through.
>
> Federal Court Justice Michael Kelen gave the government 15 months to 
> update
> its websites after a blind Toronto woman said she was unable to apply for 
> a
> public service job online.
>
> Donna Jodhan, a special-needs business consultant with a MBA, launched a
> constitutional challenge aiming to grant visually impaired people equal
> access to the services and information on several federal government
> websites.
>
> On Monday the court found the government "has not implemented existing
> accessibility standards and that some of the standards are obsolete."
>
> The court will monitor the government's progress in making the change, 
> Judge
> Kelen said in the decision.
>
> David Baker, Ms. Jodhan's lawyer, said it's "extremely rare" for the court
> to follow a case so closely after making a decision.
>
> "Historically, courts have declared when there is a charter violation 
> based
> on the assumption that the government will bring itself into compliance," 
> he
> said.
>
> In this case, the court may compel the government to disclose what it has
> done to make the sites more accessible, likely through internal audits, 
> Mr.
> Baker added.
>
> What's more, Ms. Jodhan can "force the matter back into court" if Ottawa
> doesn't co-operate, he said.
>
> The ruling is a "shot in the arm" for the blind and sight-impaired
> community, said Ms. Jodhan, who added it's a sign that people shouldn't be
> afraid to stand up for their rights.
>
> "In the case of the mainstream community, I think it will certainly help
> build awareness as far as why it's so important for blind and 
> sight-impaired
> Canadians to be able to independently access their own information on
> government websites," she said.
>
> Government lawyers had argued there was no discrimination because those 
> same
> services are provided in other formats, such as on the phone, in person or
> by mail.
>
> "We are continuing to look at ways to make information more accessible to
> all Canadians," Jay Denney, spokesman for the Treasury Board, said in an
> e-mail Monday. The Treasury Board is responsible for enforcing 
> accessibility
> standards.
>
> Jutta Treviranus, director of the University of Toronto's Adaptative
> Technology Resource Centre and one of the experts involved in the case, 
> said
> the decision will save taxpayers money in the long run.
>
> "If you think about how the incidence of disability in Canada is 
> increasing
> as we age, and so it'll become a much more important thing as the years
> progress, and the earlier we do it, the less it will cost," she said.
>
> With more and more government services moving online, it's easier to make
> them accessible from the start than to retrofit them all later, she said,
> adding that government staff already have much of the technical tools and
> know-how they need to take action.
>
> Ms. Jodhan, who has been blind since birth, filed the challenge in 2007
> after struggling through several attempts to apply for government 
> positions
> through the job bank website.
>
> She also had problems accessing data on the Statistics Canada website,
> filling out an online census form, and viewing information on the Canada
> Pension Plan on the Service Canada website.
>
> Despite her extensive technological training - she won four awards from 
> IBM
> for technical initiatives - Ms. Jodhan found herself relying on sighted
> individuals to help her navigate the sites, or on government employees to
> provide accurate information in a timely manner, she said in an affidavit.
>
> Many blind people use screen readers, computer software that translates
> electronic text into audio. But the readers aren't foolproof - for one
> thing, some can't decipher interactive web applications such as the
> government's ePass web portal.
>
> In 2001 the government adopted a web protocol known as the Common Look and
> Feel Standard, which requires government department websites to be 
> designed
> and programmed to ensure they can be accessed by visually impaired users.
>
> The Treasury Board conducted a spot audit of 47 of the 146 federal
> departments in 2007 and found that none complied with the standard. No
> follow-up information was presented in court.
>
> The federal government's chief information officer, Ken Cochrane, told the
> court each department was responsible for implementing the standard.
>
> The court ruled that Ottawa must update the standard to make interactive
> applications accessible.
>
> It also found that visually impaired people are disadvantaged by having to
> obtain the information available online through other means, such as the
> phone or mail.
>
> The court also determined Ms. Jodhan's legal fees should be reimbursed
> because the case was in the public interest.
>
> Editor's note: An earlier version of this Canadian Press story that was
> online and in Tuesday's Globe and Mail reported that most screen readers
> (computer software that translates electronic text into audio for the
> visually impaired) cannot decipher PDF files. That statement was based on
> arguments made in Federal Court in Donna Jodhan's constitutional challenge
> against the federal government. However, a spokesman for Adobe Systems, 
> the
> creator of PDF file technology, says that at present, and in 2007 when Ms.
> Jodhan initiated her case, most screen readers can read PDF files.
>
> C 2010 CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
> The complete ruling can be found here
> http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-1190-07%20decision%20ENG%2029-11-
> 2010.htm
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  8 19:17:35 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:17:35 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible
	toblind
In-Reply-To: <DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas>
References: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>
	<DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas>
Message-ID: <48634062727941CCA1C53EBC75FA75BD@spike>

not being a Twitter user I'm not sure how they should be set up.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr." <rthomas at emplmntattorney.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible 
toblind


> Suggestion: Set up articles like this so that they can be shared on 
> Twitter.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Russell J. Thomas, Jr.
>
> Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr.
>
> 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101
>
> Newport Beach, California 92660
>
> T: (949) 752-0101
>
> F: (949) 257-4756
>
> M: (949) 466-7238
>
> www.emplmnattorney.com
>
> Follow me on Twitter:  EmplmntAttorney
>
>
>
> PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS, EFF. 6/1/2010:
> RTHOMAS at EMPLMNTATTORNEY.COM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 10:00 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to
> blind
>
> Court orders Ottawa to make websites accessible to blind
> Paola Loriggio
> Toronto- The Canadian Press (includes clarification)
> Published Monday, Nov. 29, 2010 1:21PM ESTLast updated Tuesday, Nov. 30,
> 2010 5:12PM
>
> The federal government is being ordered to make its websites accessible to
> visually impaired users - and the judge who issued the directive Monday 
> says
> he'll be watching to make sure Ottawa follows through.
>
> Federal Court Justice Michael Kelen gave the government 15 months to 
> update
> its websites after a blind Toronto woman said she was unable to apply for 
> a
> public service job online.
>
> Donna Jodhan, a special-needs business consultant with a MBA, launched a
> constitutional challenge aiming to grant visually impaired people equal
> access to the services and information on several federal government
> websites.
>
> On Monday the court found the government "has not implemented existing
> accessibility standards and that some of the standards are obsolete."
>
> The court will monitor the government's progress in making the change, 
> Judge
> Kelen said in the decision.
>
> David Baker, Ms. Jodhan's lawyer, said it's "extremely rare" for the court
> to follow a case so closely after making a decision.
>
> "Historically, courts have declared when there is a charter violation 
> based
> on the assumption that the government will bring itself into compliance," 
> he
> said.
>
> In this case, the court may compel the government to disclose what it has
> done to make the sites more accessible, likely through internal audits, 
> Mr.
> Baker added.
>
> What's more, Ms. Jodhan can "force the matter back into court" if Ottawa
> doesn't co-operate, he said.
>
> The ruling is a "shot in the arm" for the blind and sight-impaired
> community, said Ms. Jodhan, who added it's a sign that people shouldn't be
> afraid to stand up for their rights.
>
> "In the case of the mainstream community, I think it will certainly help
> build awareness as far as why it's so important for blind and 
> sight-impaired
> Canadians to be able to independently access their own information on
> government websites," she said.
>
> Government lawyers had argued there was no discrimination because those 
> same
> services are provided in other formats, such as on the phone, in person or
> by mail.
>
> "We are continuing to look at ways to make information more accessible to
> all Canadians," Jay Denney, spokesman for the Treasury Board, said in an
> e-mail Monday. The Treasury Board is responsible for enforcing 
> accessibility
> standards.
>
> Jutta Treviranus, director of the University of Toronto's Adaptative
> Technology Resource Centre and one of the experts involved in the case, 
> said
> the decision will save taxpayers money in the long run.
>
> "If you think about how the incidence of disability in Canada is 
> increasing
> as we age, and so it'll become a much more important thing as the years
> progress, and the earlier we do it, the less it will cost," she said.
>
> With more and more government services moving online, it's easier to make
> them accessible from the start than to retrofit them all later, she said,
> adding that government staff already have much of the technical tools and
> know-how they need to take action.
>
> Ms. Jodhan, who has been blind since birth, filed the challenge in 2007
> after struggling through several attempts to apply for government 
> positions
> through the job bank website.
>
> She also had problems accessing data on the Statistics Canada website,
> filling out an online census form, and viewing information on the Canada
> Pension Plan on the Service Canada website.
>
> Despite her extensive technological training - she won four awards from 
> IBM
> for technical initiatives - Ms. Jodhan found herself relying on sighted
> individuals to help her navigate the sites, or on government employees to
> provide accurate information in a timely manner, she said in an affidavit.
>
> Many blind people use screen readers, computer software that translates
> electronic text into audio. But the readers aren't foolproof - for one
> thing, some can't decipher interactive web applications such as the
> government's ePass web portal.
>
> In 2001 the government adopted a web protocol known as the Common Look and
> Feel Standard, which requires government department websites to be 
> designed
> and programmed to ensure they can be accessed by visually impaired users.
>
> The Treasury Board conducted a spot audit of 47 of the 146 federal
> departments in 2007 and found that none complied with the standard. No
> follow-up information was presented in court.
>
> The federal government's chief information officer, Ken Cochrane, told the
> court each department was responsible for implementing the standard.
>
> The court ruled that Ottawa must update the standard to make interactive
> applications accessible.
>
> It also found that visually impaired people are disadvantaged by having to
> obtain the information available online through other means, such as the
> phone or mail.
>
> The court also determined Ms. Jodhan's legal fees should be reimbursed
> because the case was in the public interest.
>
> Editor's note: An earlier version of this Canadian Press story that was
> online and in Tuesday's Globe and Mail reported that most screen readers
> (computer software that translates electronic text into audio for the
> visually impaired) cannot decipher PDF files. That statement was based on
> arguments made in Federal Court in Donna Jodhan's constitutional challenge
> against the federal government. However, a spokesman for Adobe Systems, 
> the
> creator of PDF file technology, says that at present, and in 2007 when Ms.
> Jodhan initiated her case, most screen readers can read PDF files.
>
> C 2010 CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
> The complete ruling can be found here
> http://cas-ncr-nter03.cas-satj.gc.ca/rss/T-1190-07%20decision%20ENG%2029-11-
> 2010.htm
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec  8 23:01:45 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:01:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney office job posting
Message-ID: <9D493F89FE9147CCA3140EF089B0EB14@none8a46117901>

  * VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY (CRIMINAL) UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF MARYLAND SOUTHERN (GREENBELT) DIVISION ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 11-MD-01 This announcement will close on December 29, 2010; therefore, resumes, cover letters and transcripts must be e-mailed or received by the closing date.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-md-01.htm ] 

        "He is a self-made man and worships his creator."  John Bright   


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec  9 18:26:36 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:26:36 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Office job Posting
Message-ID: <CF737CE72CAF4B4180467A9D5B86F6B8@none8a46117901>

  * CHIEF COUNSEL (GS-0905-15)ORGANIZED CRIME DRUG ENFORCEMENT TASK FORCES (OCDETF) UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, DC VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 11-JMD-OCDETF-001 This vacancy announcement will remain open until January 7, 2011.  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/vacant-ofcchiefcounsel.htm ] 

"Never play leapfrog with a Unicorn"

Author unknown


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec  9 23:22:45 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:22:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S.  Attorney Office Job postings
Message-ID: <3A7C9350A1D447D4B30C9B75030732BB@none8a46117901>

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, CRIMINAL SECTION SENIOR SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, GS-0905-15 CLOSING DATE: DECEMBER 30, 2010 10-ATT-036 [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-036.htm ] 

  * U.S.DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, POLICY AND STRATEGY SECTION CHIEF, POLICY AND STRATEGY SECTION, GS-0905-15 CLOSING DATE: DECEMBER 30, 2010 10-ATT-034 [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-034.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec 14 00:07:38 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:07:38 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. attorney office postings
Message-ID: <51C06C6C415E4FA6B700CA297427035C@none8a46117901>

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK 11-WDNY-002 Applications will be accepted until the position is filled, with a first cut-off date of January 7, 2011. Selections may be made from applications received by Friday, January 7, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-wdny-002.htm ] 

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF MAINE VACANCY NUMBER: 2010-ME-03 Position is open until filled. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/vacancyannouncement.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Dec 14 11:32:19 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 05:32:19 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible	to
 blind
In-Reply-To: <03b501cb9708$835db480$6601a8c0@server>
References: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike>
	<DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas>
	<03b501cb9708$835db480$6601a8c0@server>
Message-ID: <auto-000182254641@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Yes, Tweets are limited to 140 characters in length or less.  What 
most do is include a link to whole article.

At 12:48 PM 12/8/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Russell,
>I must confess that I don't understand how twitter actually 
>works.  Can entire articles be posted on twitter?  I had heard about 
>tweets on twitter but I thought these were small single line 
>messages with very limited space. If you could bring me up to speed 
>it would be appreciated.
>Best,
>Dennis
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr." 
><rthomas at emplmntattorney.com>
>To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:56 AM
>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites 
>accessible toblind
>
>
>>Suggestion: Set up articles like this so that they can be shared on Twitter.
>>
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>>Russell J. Thomas, Jr.



From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue Dec 14 16:12:00 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:12:00 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: [DRBA] Disability Rights Attorney Position Opening
	at American Diabetes Association
Message-ID: <23B3F13A49784CBCB4EFDD9B83AC3445@labarre>


Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
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To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:39 AM
Subject: [DRBA] Disability Rights Attorney Position Opening at American Diabetes Association



The American Diabetes Association is seeking to fill an ADA – Novo Nordisk staff attorney position (to work at our home office in Alexandria, VA).  The position plays a critical role in our legal advocacy program -- which fights discrimination against children and adults with diabetes. Our efforts are particularly focused on employment and school issues, but also address access to medical care in correctional institutions and public accommodations and improper police treatment of people with diabetes. The staff attorney will provide information and resources to workers, families of schoolchildren, inmates and their families, attorneys and others – and will work with them to develop strategies to combat discrimination.  



This is a great opportunity to work on a variety of challenging legal projects and to improve the lives of people affected by diabetes. 



Recent law school graduates as well as experienced attorneys are welcome to apply. 




For more information and instructions on applying, please see the job announcement on our website at http://careers.diabetes.org/job_detail.asp?JobID=2218644&user_id 



To learn more about our legal advocacy program, see www.diabetes.org/discrimination.  





Also, please see the current issue of our newsletter at http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/know-your-rights/for-lawyers/legal-advocacy-update.html 



Please distribute this notice to anyone you believe would be interested in this opportunity.



Thanks




Gary Gross

Director, Legal Advocacy

American Diabetes Association


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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec 14 16:47:27 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:47:27 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney office postings
Message-ID: <56D7011FDF0E4614B3956D67778DD52D@none8a46117901>

Two new ones today-

  * IMMIGRATION JUDGE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION REVIEW IMMIGRATION COURT, YORK, PENNSYLVANIA VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: EOIR-11-0067 1 POSITION Applications received after 01/04/2011 will not be considered. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-eoir-11-0067.htm ] 

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS DALLAS, TEXAS DECEMBER 14, 2010 - DECEMBER 28, 2010 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT #11-NDTX-AUSA-D03 (13-MONTH TERM APPOINTMENT) Emailed applications must be received by 11:59pm December 28, 2010. Hand-Delivered applications must be received by 5:00pm December 28, 2010. Mailed applications must be postmarked by December 28, 2010. [
 http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-ndtx-ausa-d03.htm ]


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec 14 23:05:59 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:05:59 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Job Postings
Message-ID: <3D94FDDF9FF14B4CB79D6E122E83808F@none8a46117901>

2 additional postings for today
      * UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA December 14, 2010 11-EDCA-08A This position will be open until filled; however, applications received by Wednesday, December 22, 2010, will be given first consideration.  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-usao-11-edca-08a.htm ] 

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE OF LEGAL AND VICTIM PROGRAMS (OLVP) Supervisory Attorney Advisor, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 11-EOUSA-004 Open: 12/14/2010 Close: 12/28/2010 [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-eousa-11-eousa-004.htm ] 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 15 00:54:21 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:54:21 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Trust Account Scam Warning
Message-ID: <1f7601cb9bf2$9c7cb300$6601a8c0@server>

Hello friends,
I just received the following from the attorney registration department in Illinois, and it contains some valuable reading for all attorneys.  
Enjoy,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: seminars at iardc.org 
To: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: Trust Account Scam Warning











E-Mail Scams and Lawyer Trust Accounts



Internet fraud schemes are increasingly targeting lawyers and law firms and the banks where lawyers have their client trust accounts. While many of these scams appear outwardly questionable and, as a result, are usually ignored, there have been reported cases throughout the country where lawyers have fallen prey to these scams resulting in the loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars out of their respective trust accounts.  See ABA Journal, Six Indicted in $32M Internet Collection Scam That Snagged 80 Lawyers (Nov. 22, 2010).  Scam artists can be persistent, creative and determined; their schemes can be elaborate and sophisticated. Lawyers should be aware that these scams are out there, to be alert to the possibility of fraud, and to proceed with caution and vigilance in dealing with potential clients whose only contact with the lawyer is via the Internet or who request legal representation that requires the use of the lawyer's or law firm's trust account to receive and disburse funds. There are many variations on how these schemes are set in motion but the motivation is the same: to get the lawyer to send them money. 



The Way it Works
The most common scenario involves an alleged overseas company that contacts a U.S. lawyer by e-mail and purports to retain that lawyer as a settlement agent to collect a debt from a debtor. “Client” tells lawyer that it is imperative that the lawyer wire the money as soon as possible after receiving it from the debtor. Lawyer then promptly receives a check from the purported debtor and deposits it into a trust account. Lawyer confirms with his/her bank that the money has been credited to the account and wires it as directed, minus the lawyer's fee, to the purported client. A few days later, bank tells the lawyer that the check is counterfeit. Bank debits the trust account for monies lost.

Red Flags
  a.. A prospective client e-mails the lawyer likely through a blast e-mail (e.g., addressed to “Dear Counselor” and vaguely refers to the lawyer's practice as “your jurisdiction”); 


  b.. The requested representation usually involves the collection of a debt or other obligation; 


  c.. One of the parties is out of the country; 


  d.. The debt or other obligation resolves itself quickly and easily without much effort by the lawyer; 


  e.. Lawyer receives what looks like a very convincing cashier’s or certified check (a bank may tell the lawyer that the instrument looks “good”) for deposit in the trust account; and 


  f.. "Client" wants the funds, minus the lawyer’s fee, immediately wire transferred to an out-of-the-country account. 
Avoiding the Scam
  a.. Wait for a check, even a cashier's or certified check, to clear before using the money; provisional credit by your bank is not sufficient. Although your financial institution may quickly make funds available or may tell you that the deposit has been credited to your account within a few days after the deposit (i.e., provisional credit), that does not mean that the check is good or has cleared through the original issuing institution. That can take many days. Sometimes it can take weeks to discover a very good forgery, and the check won't bounce until then. Therefore, verify the authenticity of the check with the issuing bank and confirm with your depository bank that the check has gone through the check clearing process. 


  b.. Be suspicious of a client who insists that you send funds by wire transfer or otherwise pressures you to act quickly before you know the payment you received is good. A lawyer who decides to wait for final clearance of a check, before disbursing funds, is acting properly and is not in violation of a lawyer's duty of prompt delivery of trust funds. 


  c.. Know with whom you are dealing before accepting the representation.  Take reasonable steps to verify that the “client” is who they say they are, particularly if there are generally no face-to-face communications with the client. Also, verify the information the prospective client provides concerning third parties or even a source of the referral to you. If you are dealing with a stranger, make sure you have that person's name, address and phone number, then verify those independently using reliable online directories or other third party sources. 


  d.. Your deposits are your responsibility. If you have deposited a check that then bounces, the bank may withdraw the original dollar amount credited to your trust account and it may result in the conversion of other clients' funds in your trust account. If your trust account does not have enough money to cover the deduction, the bank may freeze your trust account or the bank may sue you to recover the funds. See Wachovia Bank v. Bartko, No. 1:08-CV-2636 ( Ga.) 
If You Receive A Counterfeit Check
If you think that you have received a counterfeit check, do not deposit it; contact your bank.

In addition to contacting the appropriate bank, you may report:

·        Scams generally - Federal Trade Commission (FTC): by telephone at 1-877-FTC-HELP or file an electronic complaint via their Internet site at www.ftc.gov 



·        Internet-based scams - Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Internet Fraud Complaint Center at www.ic3.gov 



·        Mail-based scams - U.S. Postal Inspective Service by telephone at 1-888-877-7644, by mail at U.S. Postal Inspection Service, Office of Inspector General, Operations Support Group, 222 S. Riverside Plaza, Suite 1250, Chicago, IL 60606-6100 or via e-mail at https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/MailFraudComplaint.aspx 

If you have a complaint or problem involving a check written on or deposited in an account at a national bank, and you cannot resolve the problem with the bank, contact the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency’s Customer Assistance Group, by calling 800-613-6743 or by sending an e-mail to: customer.assistance at occ.treas.gov.

For further information and tips on recognizing and avoiding fake check scams, please go to: 

 

Comptroller of the Currency - http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/bulletin/2007-2.html; 

National Fraud Information Center - http://www.fraud.org/tips/internet/fakecheck.htm; 

Internet Crime Complaint Center - http://www.ic3.gov/crimeschemes.aspx; and 

Federal Bureau of Investigation - http://www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/fraudschemes.htm. 

 

This email is prepared by the ARDC to provide information on current developments of interest to the legal profession in Illinois and is intended to educate Illinois lawyers on their ethical duties.  Please do not reply to this email.

For general questions or concerns about the ethical responsibilities of lawyers in Illinois, please call the ARDC Ethics Inquiry Program at either of the ARDC’s offices at the telephone numbers listed below. Additional information about the ARDC Ethics Inquiry Program can be obtained at www.iardc.org/ethics.html. 

Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of Illinois (ARDC) 

Chicago Office
One Prudential Plaza
130 East Randolph Drive, Suite 1500
Chicago, IL 60601-6219
312/565-2600 or 800/826-8625

Springfield Office
One North Old Capitol Plaza, Suite 333
Springfield, Illinois 62701-1625
217/522-6838 or 800/252-8048

Web Site: www.iardc.org 

 

From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 15 01:32:14 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:32:14 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible	to
	blind
References: <04F5EFDCD463427BB7EA38FE46439AE4@spike><DEAED0EF14CF4499A6AED47EECA4914A@RThomas><03b501cb9708$835db480$6601a8c0@server>
	<auto-000182254641@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <1f8401cb9bf7$e7a049a0$6601a8c0@server>

Hi David,
That's really cool.  Is there some way then to click on the tweet and have 
it take you to the website?
Thanks,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible to 
blind


> Yes, Tweets are limited to 140 characters in length or less.  What most do 
> is include a link to whole article.
>
> At 12:48 PM 12/8/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi Russell,
>>I must confess that I don't understand how twitter actually works.  Can 
>>entire articles be posted on twitter?  I had heard about tweets on twitter 
>>but I thought these were small single line messages with very limited 
>>space. If you could bring me up to speed it would be appreciated.
>>Best,
>>Dennis
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell J. Thomas, Jr." 
>><rthomas at emplmntattorney.com>
>>To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:56 AM
>>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] court orders Ottawa to make web sites accessible 
>>toblind
>>
>>
>>>Suggestion: Set up articles like this so that they can be shared on 
>>>Twitter.
>>>
>>>
>>>Respectfully,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Russell J. Thomas, Jr.
>
>
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Dec 15 21:18:58 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:18:58 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B843BAD98@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:34 AM
To: jobs at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Jobs] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice



________________________________
From: Hunter, Sue (JMD) [mailto:Sue.Hunter at usdoj.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:41 PM
To: 'nedy at wyjlaw.com'; 'newmedia at ja.org'; 'neysas at dnfsb.gov'; Maurer, Patricia; 'nijc at aol.com'; 'nlove at opd.state.md.us'; 'nmcconnell at jackscamp.com'; 'noconnell at jackscamp.com'; 'noryrp at cox.net'; 'nowaczej at staff.abanet.org'; 'nromulus at gmail.com'; 'ntb at boglechang.com'; 'nwpatton at law.stanford.edu'; 'nwright at lockelord.com'; 'ocaaba at cox.net'; 'omanager at lawyerscomm.org'; 'padilla at ailc-inc.org'; 'palsd at hotmail.com'; 'patel at fr.com'; 'pchanster at yahoo.com'; 'pchapman at koonz.com'; 'petricha at staff.abanet.org'; 'pgodar at fbtlaw.com'; 'pgrewal at daycasebeer.com'; Maurer, Patricia; 'pmorrison at state.wv.us'; 'poppy.johnston at unlv.edu'; 'president at abaw.org'; 'president at adc.org'; 'president at apaba-dc.org'; 'president at apabala.org'; 'president at blackwomenlawyersla.org'; 'president at dominicanbarassociation.org'; 'president at mabl.org'; 'president at msba.org'; 'president at phillybarristers.org'; 'president at sabadc.org'; 'president at southasianbar.org'
Subject: FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice
To learn more about our attorneys and what they like most about working at DOJ, please visit our attorney profiles at, http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/arm/profiles.htm, and the video clips of our attorneys and interns available at https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/ads/jobsatdojoarm/index.jsp
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Current Department of Justice Attorney Vacancies
*  UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA December 14, 2010 11-EDCA-08A This position will be open until filled; however, applications received by Wednesday, December 22, 2010, will be given first consideration. <http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-usao-11-edca-08a.htm>
Date posted: 12-14-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE OF LEGAL AND VICTIM PROGRAMS (OLVP) Supervisory Attorney Advisor, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 11-EOUSA-004 Open: 12/14/2010 Close: 12/28/2010<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-eousa-11-eousa-004.htm>
Date posted: 12-14-2010

*  IMMIGRATION JUDGE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION REVIEW IMMIGRATION COURT, YORK, PENNSYLVANIA VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: EOIR-11-0067 1 POSITION Applications received after 01/04/2011 will not be considered.<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-eoir-11-0067.htm>
Date posted: 12-14-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS DALLAS, TEXAS DECEMBER 14, 2010 - DECEMBER 28, 2010 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT #11-NDTX-AUSA-D03 (13-MONTH TERM APPOINTMENT) Emailed applications must be received by 11:59pm December 28, 2010. Hand-Delivered applications must be received by 5:00pm December 28, 2010. Mailed applications must be postmarked by December 28, 2010.<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-ndtx-ausa-d03.htm>
Date posted: 12-14-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK 11-WDNY-002 Applications will be accepted until the position is filled, with a first cut-off date of January 7, 2011. Selections may be made from applications received by Friday, January 7, 2011.<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-wdny-002.htm>
Date posted: 12-13-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF MAINE VACANCY NUMBER: 2010-ME-03 Position is open until filled.<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/vacancyannouncement.htm>
Date posted: 12-10-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, CRIMINAL SECTION SENIOR SPECIAL COUNSEL FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, GS-0905-15 CLOSING DATE: DECEMBER 30, 2010 10-ATT-036<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-036.htm>
Date posted: 12-09-2010

*  U.S.DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, POLICY AND STRATEGY SECTION CHIEF, POLICY AND STRATEGY SECTION, GS-0905-15 CLOSING DATE: JANUARY 11, 2011 10-ATT-034<http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-034.htm>
Date posted: 12-09-2010

*  CHIEF COUNSEL (GS-0905-15)ORGANIZED CRIME DRUG ENFORCEMENT TASK FORCES (OCDETF) UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, DC VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 11-JMD-OCDETF-001 This vacancy announcement will remain open until January 7, 2011. <http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/vacant-ofcchiefcounsel.htm>
Date posted: 12-09-2010

*  VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY (CRIMINAL) UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF MARYLAND SOUTHERN (GREENBELT) DIVISION ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 11-MD-01 This announcement will close on December 29, 2010; therefore, resumes, cover letters and transcripts must be e-mailed or received by the closing date. <http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-11-md-01.htm>
Date posted: 12-08-2010

*  DEPUTY CHIEF, GS-905-15 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION HUMAN RIGHTS AND SPECIAL PROSECUTIONS SECTION WASHINGTON, D.C. 11-CRM-HRSP-009The position is open until filled but applications must be received by the Section no later than December 24, 2010. <http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-11-crm-hrsp-009.htm>
Date posted: 12-07-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE Attorney Advisor, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 11-EOUSA-003 OPEN: 12/07/2010 CLOSE: 12/24/2010 <http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-11-eousa003.htm>
Date posted: 12-07-2010





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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec 15 21:21:02 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:21:02 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Federal Atty Posting - Bur. of Prisons
Message-ID: <377403B82DA44295B461F6B3ED2CD649@none8a46117901>

  * FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS CONSOLIDATED LEGAL CENTER FEDERAL CORRECTIONAL COMPLEX YAZOO CITY, MISSISSIPPI CLC LEADER (SUPERVISORY ATTORNEY ADVISOR) GS-905-13/14 This position is open until filled but no later than December 22, 2010.**  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/yazoocity-attyanndec10.htm ] 

  * FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS OFFICE OF GENERAL COUNSEL LABOR LAW BRANCH ATTORNEY-ADVISOR GS-905-12/13/14 This position is open until filled, but no later than December 22, 2010.  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/llbattorneyanndec2010.htm ] 

"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
- - - André Gide 

 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec 16 13:56:10 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:56:10 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Job Postings
Message-ID: <054321463FCD440E9511B2C923B42701@none8a46117901>

This one is located in Florida - where its warm!!
***
  * FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS CONSOLIDATED LEGAL CENTER FEDERAL CORRECTIONAL COMPLEX COLEMAN, FLORIDA SUPERVISORY ATTORNEY ADVISOR GS-905-14 This position is open until filled, but no later than December 22, 2010. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/fbop-clc-coleman-fl.htm ] 


"The reason the all-American boy prefers beauty over brains is that the all-American boy can see better than he can think."

- - - Farrah Fawcett Majors 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec 16 22:44:34 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:44:34 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Job postings
Message-ID: <DEC493F73D7944D8A19DE05D2A4AC671@none8a46117901>

      * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF DELAWARE Position is open until 1/15/2011.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/ausa-de.htm ] 

"Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened."
- - - Winston Churchill 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From awebb2168 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 17 07:48:52 2010
From: awebb2168 at hotmail.com (Andrew Webb)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:48:52 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Guide dogs in the workplace
Message-ID: <SNT113-DS242946B18992758ADCD45CB1160@phx.gbl>

Hello -

 

I am seriously considering training for my first guide dog.  I wondered if
anyone in the white-collar professional world (law or otherwise) might have
any thoughts to share about the marriage of service animals to the
workplace?  I'm already fully aware of the legal right to bring guide dogs
to work as an accommodation.  Also, while I realize many people have strong
and varied opinions on the use of guide dogs from the standpoint of mobility
and independence, I'm not asking for those opinions here -- I've already
investigated the question at great length, and have concluded that for me
personally, a guide dog would be of significant help in my independent
travel.

 

My question, which I suppose can best be answered by guide dog users, is
whether there are any particular advantages or disadvantages/pitfalls in
using a dog as one negotiates a professional career.  Has anyone found
prospective employers to respond noticeably well, or else with discomfort,
to the presence of a guide dog during the interviewing/hiring process?  What
about reactions from co-workers on the job?  Has anyone ever felt that their
dog exposed them to unwanted scrutiny in their job, beyond that engendered
by the mere fact of being blind?

 

My own feeling is that a dog will help me to maneuver more confidently and
skillfully than I already do using my cane, and so I can only imagine that
this would be a positive in the workplace, just as it would in my personal
life.  But if anyone thinks that there might be professional downside that I
might not appreciate, I'm happy to get those thoughts.

 

Thanks.

 

Andrew Webb 

 


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Dec 17 16:04:48 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:04:48 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: [DRBA] Off topic - Disability Team Leader position -
	Dept. of Ed. OCR
Message-ID: <1BC676E3355F4EB381B2F73898705DF2@labarre>

FYI
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Eve L Hill 
To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: [DRBA] Off topic - Disability Team Leader position - Dept. of Ed. OCR


You wouldn't know it from the title or qualifications, but I'm told the Department of Education OCR intends this position http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=94536480&JobTitle=Supervisory+General+Attorney&q=disability&where=dc&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y&x=0&y=0&re=4&jbf574=ED*&pg=1&AVSDM=2010-12-06+15%3a30%3a00 to be a Disability Team Leader.  So if you know anyone who might be interested, please let them know.  Dept. of Ed. really needs a good person in this position.  It closes 12/27.

 

 

Eve L. Hill 
Senior Vice President 
Burton Blatt Institute 
1667 K St. NW 
Suite 640 
Washington, DC 20006 
(202) 296-2044 
ehill at syr.edu

 

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From jimi-law at dc.rr.com  Fri Dec 17 16:55:43 2010
From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James Weisberg)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:55:43 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Guide dogs in the workplace
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Andrew:

I have been practicing law for over ten years at all times with a guide dog.
My first position was a judicial clerkship.  Since, I have had several short
stints with small firms (two) and the remainder as a solo practitioner.  In
all cases my dog received more respect than I did (could just be my personal
character flaws at play here!) but what you can expect to deal with will be
"dog lovers" who despite the dog clearly being a "working animal" will
repeatedly "break the rules" by attempting to interact with your dog no
matter how many times or how direct or indirect you request otherwise.  I do
not know whether my dogs have prevented any job offers as of course there's
really know way of knowing.  But if you are planning a career as a lawyer,
litigator in particular, a guide dog is a GREAT asset - stock the jury with
retirement age woman and your golden regardless of the facts of your case!!
When the jurors start blowing kisses to your dog during testimony or
otherwise mouthing "I love you" to your dog AND opposing counsel notices
your ripe for settlement at recess.  I'm talking from experience here.  I
say go for it.

Aside from the employment aspect you will no doubt be pleasantly surprised
by the companionship aspect which is even better than the mobility
assistance.  If you are thinking about "Guide Dogs for the Blind" absolutely
go for it as they are a first rate organization and their dogs are the best.
Go to the Oregon campus, it's sweet and so it the food!!

Best~

James

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Webb
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:49 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Guide dogs in the workplace

Hello -

 

I am seriously considering training for my first guide dog.  I wondered if
anyone in the white-collar professional world (law or otherwise) might have
any thoughts to share about the marriage of service animals to the
workplace?  I'm already fully aware of the legal right to bring guide dogs
to work as an accommodation.  Also, while I realize many people have strong
and varied opinions on the use of guide dogs from the standpoint of mobility
and independence, I'm not asking for those opinions here -- I've already
investigated the question at great length, and have concluded that for me
personally, a guide dog would be of significant help in my independent
travel.

 

My question, which I suppose can best be answered by guide dog users, is
whether there are any particular advantages or disadvantages/pitfalls in
using a dog as one negotiates a professional career.  Has anyone found
prospective employers to respond noticeably well, or else with discomfort,
to the presence of a guide dog during the interviewing/hiring process?  What
about reactions from co-workers on the job?  Has anyone ever felt that their
dog exposed them to unwanted scrutiny in their job, beyond that engendered
by the mere fact of being blind?

 

My own feeling is that a dog will help me to maneuver more confidently and
skillfully than I already do using my cane, and so I can only imagine that
this would be a positive in the workplace, just as it would in my personal
life.  But if anyone thinks that there might be professional downside that I
might not appreciate, I'm happy to get those thoughts.

 

Thanks.

 

Andrew Webb 

 

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Dec 17 19:51:52 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:51:52 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] ED OCR Supervisory General Attorney Job Announcement
	Number: OCR-PLG-2010-1227
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B843BB22F@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

the text of the announcement circulated by Scott earlier.


Link:
http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=94536480&JobTitle=Supervisory+General+Attorney&q=disability&where=dc&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y&x=0&y=0&re=4&jbf574=ED*&pg=1&AVSDM=2010-12-06+15%3a30%3a00

Text:
Job Title: Supervisory General Attorney
Department: Department Of Education
Agency: Office for Civil Rights
Sub Agency: Program Legal Group
Job Announcement Number: OCR-PLG-2010-1227

SALARY RANGE: $123,758.00 - $155,500.00 /year
OPEN PERIOD: Monday, December 06, 2010 to Monday, December 27, 2010
SERIES & GRADE: GS-0905-15/15
POSITION INFORMATION: Full-Time  Permanent
DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy - Washington, DC Metro Area
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: Applications will be accepted from all groups of qualified individuals.

* This position is an excepted service position - Exempt from the Competitive Service. *  Relocations expenses will not be paid.

JOB SUMMARY:
The Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) is a law enforcement agency charged with protecting fundamental rights conferred in statutes that charge the Federal government with the obligation to ensure that public monies do not support discrimination. OCR operates under the jurisdiction of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, the Age Discrimination Act of 1975, Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, and the Boys Scouts of America Equal Access Act (Section 9525 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965, as amended by Section 901 of the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001).

Additional Duty Location Info:

1 vacancy - Washington, DC Metro Area

As a member of the Program Legal Group in OCR's Washington, DC office, a Supervisory General Attorney team leader performs various duties on matters handled by OCR, including matters of considerable complexity.

Managers, directs, supervises the activities of a team that may include, Attorney, Management/Program Analysts, and Equal Opportunity Specialists, and Support Staff, providing general and specific policy, legal, procedural and program guidance to staff.  Serves as legal policy advisor to the Assistant Secretary of OCR, Deputy Assistant Secretaries, Enforcement Directors, and Director of the Program Legal Group, and serves as an expert resource for other managers within OCR. Supervises the development or review of policy, legal memoranda, guidelines, and proposed regulations pertaining to civil rights compliance, and the provision of technical assistance. Directs the review of the Department's and other agencies' proposed regulations and proposed legislation to determine the potential effect on OCR's  regulations and enforcement activities to ensure conformance with civil rights requirements. Review memoranda, and other documents that present pertinent legislative history, legal precedents for potential influence on OCR policies, and recommendations for the resolutions of problems.

QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED:
General Experience:

Minimum Qualification Requirements: All attorney positions require that applicants show proof of admission to the Bar of the highest Court of a State, Territory, the District of Columbia, or the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and current membership in such Bar as would permit the practice of law.

Specialized Experience:

Applicants must possess knowledge of the civil rights laws and regulations enforced by OCR, policy and legal issues related to enforcing civil rights statutes, civil rights theories, principles, and practices, and the role of the Federal, state and local governments. In-depth knowledge of issues relating to disability in education is essential. One year of experience must have been at a level of difficulty and responsibility equivalent to that of an attorney at the GS-14 level.

Your application or resume must show the following: Work experience related to the position for which you are applying including job title, duties and accomplishments, employer's name, number of hours worked per week, starting and ending dates (month and year), and annual salary. If you held various positions with the same employer, describe each separately. If you have Federal civilian experience, indicate the highest grade held, the job series and date held. If you had one or more years of professional experience, i.e., legal experience gained after your law degree was conferred, give a full description of the nature, extent, and complexity of work performed. Indicate any supervisory experience and any special educational qualifications such as a second law degree or evidence of superior law student work or activities.  Your application should specify your country or citizenship.

You must meet time-in-grade restrictions by the closing date of this announcement.

EDUCATIONAL SUBSTITUTIONS WILL BE ALLOWED AS SET FORTH IN OPM X-118 QUALIFICATIONS HANDBOOK.

HOW YOU WILL BE EVALUATED:

METHODS TO BE USED IN EVALUATING CANDIDATES:  To receive full credit for your qualifications, provide evidence of experience , training, education, awards, hobbies, self-development, achievements and any other aspects of your background as they relate to the knowledge, skills and abilities described on this announcement. Include clear concise examples to show level of accomplishment and degree of responsibility for each evaluation factor shown. You must ensure the knowledge, skills and abilities required for this position are identified within your resume and/or cover letter.  Upon recommendations for an interview, you may be required to provide a legal writing sample. The evaluation criteria are listed below:

Evaluation Criteria/ KSAs: (Knowledge, Skills and Abilities required)

1.   Knowledge of Federal laws, regulations, policies, and issues related to civil rights. Expert knowledge of Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

2.   Ability to provide leadership and training.

3.   Ability to establish and maintain effective relationships with high-level civil rights and institutional officials.

4.   Knowledge of management principles, techniques and methods needed to plan and conduct development of general and specific policy, procedural, and program guidance.

BENEFITS:
You may participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits program, with costs shared with your employer. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#FEHB.

Life insurance coverage is provided. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#life

New employees are automatically covered by the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS). If you are transferring from another agency and covered by Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS), you may continue in this program. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#retr

You will earn annual vacation leave. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#VACA

You will earn sick leave. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#SKLV

You will be paid for federal holidays that fall within your regularly scheduled tour of duty. More info: http://www.usajobs.gov/jobextrainfo.asp#HOLI

If you use public transportation, part of your transportation costs may be subsidized. Our human resources office can provide additional information on how this program is run.

OTHER INFORMATION:
This job is being filled by an alternative hiring process and is not in the competitive civil service.

The materials you send with your application will not be returned.

You will be required to serve a probationary period of 1 year.

HOW TO APPLY:
Mail your application so it will be postmarked by closing date. If hand delivered, be sure your application is received by closing date.

Be sure your application includes the following: A resume or an Optional Application for Federal Employment (OF 612) or any other format. Although we do not require a specific format certain information is required to determine if you are qualified.

There is no formal rating system for applying veterans' preference to attorney appointments in the excepted service; however, veteran's preference eligibility will be viewed as a positive factor in attorney hiring. Applicants eligible for veterans' preference must include that information in their cover letter or resume and attach supporting documentation (e.g., the DD 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty and other supporting documentation) to their submissions. Applicants eligible to claim 10-point preference must submit Standard Form (SF) 15, Application for 10-Point Veteran Preference, and submit the supporting documentation required for the specific type of preference claimed (visit the OPM website, www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/SF15.pdf for a copy of SF 15, which lists the types of 10-point preferences and the required supporting document(s).

If you are a current or former federal employee with reinstatement eligibility, you must submit a copy of your last Notification of Personnel Action (SF50) showing your position, title, series, grade and eligibility.

RELOCATION EXPENSES WILL NOT BE PAID.

APPLICATIONS EMAILED OR FAXED WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED OR CONSIDERED.

Send your application and all required documents to US Department of Education, Office for Civil Rights, Human Resources Team, 400 Maryland Ave, SW, LBJ 4C138, Washington, DC 20202-1174.  For additional information regarding this announcement, send email inquiries to ocr at ed.gov. You must include the Vacancy Announcement # OCRHQ-PLG-2010-1227 in the subject line when sending inquiries for information.

NOTICE: The applicant selected for this position is subject to a check to verify that he or she has not defaulted on any loan funded or guaranteed by the US Department of Education. New employees found to be in default will be contacted by the Department to make arrangements for repayment.

THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER. ALL APPLICANTS WILL RECEIVE CONSIDERATION REGARDLESS OF RACE, COLOR, AGE, RELIGION, SEX, NATIONAL ORIGIN, POLITICAL AFFILIATION, UNION AFFILIATION OR NON AFFILIATION, MARITAL STATUS, NON-DISQUALIFYING PHYSICAL HANDICAP, OR ANY OTHER NON-MERIT REASON.

AGENCY CONTACT INFO:
Office for Civil Rights
Phone: Email Inquiries Only
Email: ocr at ed.gov  Agency Information:
Department Of Education, Office for Civil Rights
400 Maryland Ave, SW
LBJ/ 4C138
Washington, DC 20202-1174
US

WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT:
Once your complete application is received, it will be evaluated and ranked. A committee will interview and refer the most highly qualified candidates to the hiring officials for a second interview. Applicants will be contacted for interviews.



From emrene at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 17 22:21:32 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:21:32 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] RE Guide Dogs in the Workplace
Message-ID: <48BCBBC3D7F243CCBE67DF98CFBC6D9C@elizabethrene>

Andrew,

I practiced Law with guide dogs for 16 years, and partnered with them for 
two years in major medical centers during seminary while training for 
hospital chaplaincy.  And I laughed out loud when I read James's post.

He's absolutely right about guide dogs in the law office and in court.  I 
want to add, as a woman attorney, that the presence of my dog ensured that 
my criminal defendants treated me with respect!  Having had a dog in court 
has left me with some of the best stories to tell, too.  Every judge reacted 
positively towards my dogs, and my canine colleague added to the general 
bonhomie of the office.

The medical teams I worked with loved my dogs, and with only an exception or 
two, all of my patients (kids especially) loved my dog.

My dogs had a vastly expanded life, many adventures, and an ever-growing 
network of friends and fans because of their dual-career status.  They 
weren't just mobility tools, they were my partners in everything I did, and 
have been remembered by others decades after their passing.

Go for it!

Elizabeth






From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Fri Dec 17 22:37:26 2010
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:37:26 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] RE Guide Dogs in the Workplace
In-Reply-To: <48BCBBC3D7F243CCBE67DF98CFBC6D9C@elizabethrene>
References: <48BCBBC3D7F243CCBE67DF98CFBC6D9C@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <8BCE1D0EE84A429A9A6C02DD415C0DD1@D9DWCYF1>

I am totally blind, and practice law for a firm in Rochester MI.  I travel
well with a cane, but I am now 45, and thinking about getting a dog, as I am
just down the street from leader dogs for the blind.  Can someone tell me
what is the real advantage for me of a dog over a cane.  What am I likely to
appreciate most?


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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 5:22 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] RE Guide Dogs in the Workplace

Andrew,

I practiced Law with guide dogs for 16 years, and partnered with them for
two years in major medical centers during seminary while training for
hospital chaplaincy.  And I laughed out loud when I read James's post.

He's absolutely right about guide dogs in the law office and in court.  I
want to add, as a woman attorney, that the presence of my dog ensured that
my criminal defendants treated me with respect!  Having had a dog in court
has left me with some of the best stories to tell, too.  Every judge reacted
positively towards my dogs, and my canine colleague added to the general
bonhomie of the office.

The medical teams I worked with loved my dogs, and with only an exception or
two, all of my patients (kids especially) loved my dog.

My dogs had a vastly expanded life, many adventures, and an ever-growing
network of friends and fans because of their dual-career status.  They
weren't just mobility tools, they were my partners in everything I did, and
have been remembered by others decades after their passing.

Go for it!

Elizabeth





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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Sat Dec 18 13:49:35 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 08:49:35 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Seeking Book Title
Message-ID: <8C6A0E68874C4C928964BBE961005D0E@none8a46117901>

Good morning:
About 3 weeks ago, someone on the list posted a note about a book that he or she thought was pretty good. 
If I recall correctly, it was about Justice Thurgood Marshall  and how he got his start as a black attorney in his early years when no white law firm would hire him, and most black clients couldn't afford to hire a lawyer.
    I'd like to get that book as a gift for someone, but can't recall the title, or ifr it was on CD or tape, or either for that matter.
Could anyone who recalls that book please contact me off-list with the correct title of the book, or a possible place to purchase it online?
Thank you.
Home email:
rumpole at roadrunner.com

    
Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From emrene at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 19 01:24:19 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:24:19 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
Message-ID: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>

Dear Daniel,

I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very good cane 
traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the advantages of 
having a guide dog.

1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a 
centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a 
courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.

2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you.  That's 
good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction site 
that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might walk 
right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!

3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn people's 
respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog will 
smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make 
that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.

4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it. 
Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh 
air.

5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny 
story about your cane?

Weigh the evidence.

Happy Holidays,

Elizabeth






From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 02:09:39 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:09:39 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
In-Reply-To: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <BF933EADD67549A4A62CB96F6039E258@Rufus>

Elizabeth,

For a bit of fair and balanced perspectives, I'll refute your points with my
own experiences, though most of your points can be valid.  My responses are
in-line:

1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a 
centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a 
courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.

* Your cane doesn't love you, but nor is it demanding.  Smack on a tip every
so often, and it could care less if you're happy, sad, or in the mood for
going anywhere at the break of dawn.*

2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you.  That's

good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction site 
that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might walk

right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!

* And let's not forget the squirrels that entice even the most trained of
service animals.  If you were furry, had a tail and funny ears, wouldn't you
get excited if said friends were blowing kisses and generally distracting
you from doing your job and getting to your meeting on time?*

3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn people's

respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog will 
smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make 
that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.

* Do we really want to be respected for what our dog can do?  I thought
respect is something I came by for my own abilities.  That pickpocket may
think twice about snatching something from me, or he might love dogs and
stick his tongue out at it as he walks away with my wallet.  As for the
woman, well, do you want her to be more excited about seeing you or your
canine?*

4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it. 
Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh 
air.

* Then again, when it's below 32 degrees outside, and the sidewalks are full
of unshoveled snow, you can enjoy feeling low and freezing at the same
time!*

5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny 
story about your cane?

* When was the last time you were out with your friends and had to stop to
try to clean up diarrhea?  Me thinks you'd be the butt end of that funny
story.*

In short, people think I'm cynical about guide dogs and wonder why I ever
got one.  I'm realistic is all, and while everything Elizabeth says can be
true, the sheer responsibility of owning a guide dog does not merely balance
the good times, it outweighs it.  If you can deal with all that, by all
means go out and get yourself a guide dog.  Responsibility notwithstanding
it can be a pretty great experience.  To give you something positive, I've
gotten Gator to the point where we can land at any gate at some airports and
find our way to the taxis without any assistance, as if on autopilot.  That,
to me, kicks ass.

Best,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 8:24 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace

Dear Daniel,

I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a 
very good cane 
traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the 
advantages of 
having a guide dog.

1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a 
centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a 
courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.

2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of 
you.  That's 
good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that 
construction site 
that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house 
you might walk 
right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!

3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll 
earn people's 
respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  
Your dog will 
smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to 
approach, and make 
that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.

4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say 
about it. 
Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into 
the fresh 
air.

5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny 
story about your cane?

Weigh the evidence.

Happy Holidays,

Elizabeth





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From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net  Sun Dec 19 13:51:49 2010
From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:51:49 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945>

Hello there Everyone.

since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do you manage 
when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left pant leg?  If 
I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that horible but I 
was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your suit.  I 
often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been raining, but 
majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not catching the 
bus.  Thanks.
Blaine
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


Dear Daniel,

I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very good cane
traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the advantages of
having a guide dog.

1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.

2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you.  That's
good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction site
that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might walk
right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!

3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn people's
respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog will
smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make
that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.

4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it.
Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh
air.

5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
story about your cane?

Weigh the evidence.

Happy Holidays,

Elizabeth





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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Sun Dec 19 18:05:12 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:05:12 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] RE Guide Dogs in the Workplace
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References: <48BCBBC3D7F243CCBE67DF98CFBC6D9C@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <CB0FDA7676FD447DA77C1BFBC07635C2@HPLaptop>

		I totally agree with James's and Elizabeth's sentiments.  My
guide dog has been a total asset in my legal career.  I have been practicing
with him for 7 years now.

Shannon

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 4:22 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] RE Guide Dogs in the Workplace

Andrew,

I practiced Law with guide dogs for 16 years, and partnered with them for 
two years in major medical centers during seminary while training for 
hospital chaplaincy.  And I laughed out loud when I read James's post.

He's absolutely right about guide dogs in the law office and in court.  I 
want to add, as a woman attorney, that the presence of my dog ensured that 
my criminal defendants treated me with respect!  Having had a dog in court 
has left me with some of the best stories to tell, too.  Every judge reacted

positively towards my dogs, and my canine colleague added to the general 
bonhomie of the office.

The medical teams I worked with loved my dogs, and with only an exception or

two, all of my patients (kids especially) loved my dog.

My dogs had a vastly expanded life, many adventures, and an ever-growing 
network of friends and fans because of their dual-career status.  They 
weren't just mobility tools, they were my partners in everything I did, and 
have been remembered by others decades after their passing.

Go for it!

Elizabeth





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From emrene at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 19 22:11:11 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:11:11 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dogs in the Workplace
Message-ID: <4110742FEB424CE3A9E03A1E4A282D13@elizabethrene>

Joe is right about one thing: having a guide dog means having extra 
responsibility.

One has to decide whether the joy that a guide dog brings into one's own 
life and that of others adds enough zest to the task of getting from place 
to place to merit the commitment one makes to a dog.

The cane is a mobility tool; a dog is a relationship.

Dogs need to be fed, walked, picked up after, and groomed every day.  They 
need love, encouragement, discipline, play, and the active and attentive 
employment of their guiding skills.  They need to be bathed and have their 
nails clipped, protected from fleas and other parasites, immunized against 
illness, get their teeth cleaned, and given veterinary care when sick.  Dog 
boots and rain gear need to be donned, wet or muddy feet wiped, clothes 
brushed, and carpets vacuumed more often than in dogless homes.  Occasional 
accidents do happen, and cleaning up after a sick dog--a large sick 
dog--demands fortitude.

If your cane breaks, you can buy a new one.  Ifv your guide dog dies, your 
heart can break.

There's no need to remember your cane at Christmas time.  Dogs want toys and 
treats.

After my last guide retired, I couldn't bear to get another dog for almost 
three years.  Then I got Alvin because I missed all of the work and the joy 
of having a guide dog.  He's my seventh.

I wear business suits and evening dress all the time, and don't feel sloppy. 
I don't wear silk and velvet anymore though, because nose prints show up on 
these.

To me, canes and dogs are both great mobility aids.  Deciding to use one or 
the other, or both as need dictates, is the kind of life choice one makes 
when deciding whether to marry or to have children.  The relationship is 
just as primary and the commitment just as big.  But your guide dog goes to 
work with you.  For me, that's been one of the biggest payoffs of my 
professional life.

Elizabeth







From goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 20 02:22:42 2010
From: goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net (Sarah Clark)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:22:42 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>
	<C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945>
Message-ID: <00f001cb9fec$c89f6a60$6701a8c0@computer2>

Hi Blaine,
When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I carry an 
umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments where mud is a 
concern.
But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.

Sarah Clark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> Hello there Everyone.
>
> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do you manage
> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left pant leg? 
> If
> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that horible but I
> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your suit.  I
> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been raining, but
> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not catching 
> the
> bus.  Thanks.
> Blaine
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>
>
> Dear Daniel,
>
> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very good 
> cane
> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the advantages 
> of
> having a guide dog.
>
> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>
> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you. 
> That's
> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction 
> site
> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might 
> walk
> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!
>
> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn 
> people's
> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog will
> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make
> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>
> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it.
> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh
> air.
>
> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
> story about your cane?
>
> Weigh the evidence.
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
>
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 02:38:01 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:38:01 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene><C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945>
	<00f001cb9fec$c89f6a60$6701a8c0@computer2>
Message-ID: <C1A1F4E34ED048818355E030D52260F3@hometwxakonvzn>

Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> Hi Blaine,
> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I carry an 
> umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments where mud is a 
> concern.
> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>
> Sarah Clark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>
>
>> Hello there Everyone.
>>
>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do you 
>> manage
>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left pant leg? 
>> If
>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that horible but 
>> I
>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your suit.  I
>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been raining, but
>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not catching 
>> the
>> bus.  Thanks.
>> Blaine
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>> Dear Daniel,
>>
>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very good 
>> cane
>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the advantages 
>> of
>> having a guide dog.
>>
>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>
>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you. 
>> That's
>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction 
>> site
>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might 
>> walk
>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!
>>
>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn 
>> people's
>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog 
>> will
>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make
>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>
>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it.
>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh
>> air.
>>
>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
>> story about your cane?
>>
>> Weigh the evidence.
>>
>> Happy Holidays,
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 20 02:41:43 2010
From: goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net (Sarah Clark)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:41:43 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene><C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945><00f001cb9fec$c89f6a60$6701a8c0@computer2>
	<C1A1F4E34ED048818355E030D52260F3@hometwxakonvzn>
Message-ID: <00ff01cb9fef$b92682a0$6701a8c0@computer2>

Hi RJ,
No, I'm not. I'm a financial advisor.

Sarah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>
>
>> Hi Blaine,
>> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I carry an 
>> umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments where mud is a 
>> concern.
>> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>>
>> Sarah Clark
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>>> Hello there Everyone.
>>>
>>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do you 
>>> manage
>>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left pant leg? 
>>> If
>>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that horible but 
>>> I
>>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your suit.  I
>>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been raining, but
>>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not catching 
>>> the
>>> bus.  Thanks.
>>> Blaine
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>
>>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very good 
>>> cane
>>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the advantages 
>>> of
>>> having a guide dog.
>>>
>>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
>>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>>
>>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you. 
>>> That's
>>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction 
>>> site
>>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might 
>>> walk
>>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!
>>>
>>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn 
>>> people's
>>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog 
>>> will
>>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and 
>>> make
>>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>>
>>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it.
>>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the 
>>> fresh
>>> air.
>>>
>>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
>>> story about your cane?
>>>
>>> Weigh the evidence.
>>>
>>> Happy Holidays,
>>>
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Dec 20 20:03:59 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:03:59 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney posting FLORIDA!
Message-ID: <6756F421B33945C787276983CA6F58F7@none8a46117901>

where it is warm!
***
  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF FLORIDA Position(s) is open until filled.  [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/2010ausaannouncement.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Mon Dec 20 20:19:31 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:19:31 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
In-Reply-To: <00ff01cb9fef$b92682a0$6701a8c0@computer2>
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>
	<C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945>
	<00f001cb9fec$c89f6a60$6701a8c0@computer2>
	<C1A1F4E34ED048818355E030D52260F3@hometwxakonvzn>
	<00ff01cb9fef$b92682a0$6701a8c0@computer2>
Message-ID: <A00536C3-C5ED-4F5C-9314-5B6CFE10E4D1@mac.com>

What kind of financial adviser?


On Dec 19, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Sarah Clark wrote:

> Hi RJ,
> No, I'm not. I'm a financial advisor.
>
> Sarah
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com 
> >
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>
>
>> Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net 
>> >
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>>> Hi Blaine,
>>> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I  
>>> carry an umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments  
>>> where mud is a concern.
>>> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>>>
>>> Sarah Clark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net 
>>> >
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello there Everyone.
>>>>
>>>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do  
>>>> you manage
>>>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left  
>>>> pant leg? If
>>>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that  
>>>> horible but I
>>>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your  
>>>> suit.  I
>>>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been  
>>>> raining, but
>>>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not  
>>>> catching the
>>>> bus.  Thanks.
>>>> Blaine
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net 
>>>> >
>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very  
>>>> good cane
>>>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the  
>>>> advantages of
>>>> having a guide dog.
>>>>
>>>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>>>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick  
>>>> intelligence, a
>>>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>>>
>>>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of  
>>>> you. That's
>>>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that  
>>>> construction site
>>>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you  
>>>> might walk
>>>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's  
>>>> great!
>>>>
>>>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll  
>>>> earn people's
>>>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your  
>>>> dog will
>>>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach,  
>>>> and make
>>>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>>>
>>>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say  
>>>> about it.
>>>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into  
>>>> the fresh
>>>> air.
>>>>
>>>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a  
>>>> funny
>>>> story about your cane?
>>>>
>>>> Weigh the evidence.
>>>>
>>>> Happy Holidays,
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 20 21:51:00 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:51:00 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene><C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945><00f001cb9fec$c89f6a60$6701a8c0@computer2><C1A1F4E34ED048818355E030D52260F3@hometwxakonvzn><00ff01cb9fef$b92682a0$6701a8c0@computer2>
	<A00536C3-C5ED-4F5C-9314-5B6CFE10E4D1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <129401cba08f$fdb81be0$6601a8c0@server>

Hi George,
Sarah is a financial advisor with Morgan Stanley Smith Barney.  This is what 
stock brokers are called today.  However, in Sarah's case she also completed 
the financial planning program at UCLA.  She has also written an excellent 
book on investing which will hopefully be on the bookshelves once all the 
internal approvals are completed by Morgan Stanley.  She is an amazing 
person.
Best,
Dennis


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> What kind of financial adviser?
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Sarah Clark wrote:
>
>> Hi RJ,
>> No, I'm not. I'm a financial advisor.
>>
>> Sarah
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" 
>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>> >
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>>> Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Clark" 
>>> <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net
>>> >
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Blaine,
>>>> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I  carry 
>>>> an umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments  where mud 
>>>> is a concern.
>>>> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>>>>
>>>> Sarah Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" 
>>>> <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net
>>>> >
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello there Everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do  you 
>>>>> manage
>>>>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left  pant 
>>>>> leg? If
>>>>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that  horible 
>>>>> but I
>>>>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your  suit. 
>>>>> I
>>>>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been  raining, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not 
>>>>> catching the
>>>>> bus.  Thanks.
>>>>> Blaine
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Rene" 
>>>>> <emrene at earthlink.net
>>>>> >
>>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very 
>>>>> good cane
>>>>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the 
>>>>> advantages of
>>>>> having a guide dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>>>>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick  intelligence, a
>>>>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of  you. 
>>>>> That's
>>>>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that 
>>>>> construction site
>>>>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you 
>>>>> might walk
>>>>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's 
>>>>> great!
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll  earn 
>>>>> people's
>>>>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your  dog 
>>>>> will
>>>>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach,  and 
>>>>> make
>>>>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say  about 
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into  the 
>>>>> fresh
>>>>> air.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a 
>>>>> funny
>>>>> story about your cane?
>>>>>
>>>>> Weigh the evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy Holidays,
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  for
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Dec 20 23:58:21 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:58:21 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney posting
Message-ID: <CE7FCE97941142D3AFA5F9A221A77116@none8a46117901>

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA 11-GAN-AUSA-01 Applications will be considered on an ongoing basis until the position is filled.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-gan-ausa-01-2.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From garymelc at msn.com  Tue Dec 21 00:48:28 2010
From: garymelc at msn.com (gary melconian)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:48:28 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
In-Reply-To: <129401cba08f$fdb81be0$6601a8c0@server>
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene><C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945><00f001cb9fec$c89f6a60$6701a8c0@computer2><C1A1F4E34ED048818355E030D52260F3@hometwxakonvzn><00ff01cb9fef$b92682a0$6701a8c0@computer2>	<A00536C3-C5ED-4F5C-9314-5B6CFE10E4D1@mac.com>
	<129401cba08f$fdb81be0$6601a8c0@server>
Message-ID: <BAY148-ds5001FF2DDF4D329AA20E9CF1A0@phx.gbl>

Hello I would like to be put into contact off list with sara the financial
advisor. I would like to ask some question off list. -----Original
Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Clark
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 1:51 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace

Hi George,
Sarah is a financial advisor with Morgan Stanley Smith Barney.  This is what

stock brokers are called today.  However, in Sarah's case she also completed

the financial planning program at UCLA.  She has also written an excellent 
book on investing which will hopefully be on the bookshelves once all the 
internal approvals are completed by Morgan Stanley.  She is an amazing 
person.
Best,
Dennis


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> What kind of financial adviser?
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Sarah Clark wrote:
>
>> Hi RJ,
>> No, I'm not. I'm a financial advisor.
>>
>> Sarah
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" 
>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>> >
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>>> Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Clark" 
>>> <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net
>>> >
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Blaine,
>>>> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I  carry

>>>> an umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments  where mud 
>>>> is a concern.
>>>> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>>>>
>>>> Sarah Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" 
>>>> <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net
>>>> >
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello there Everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do  you 
>>>>> manage
>>>>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left  pant 
>>>>> leg? If
>>>>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that  horible 
>>>>> but I
>>>>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your  suit.

>>>>> I
>>>>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been  raining, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not 
>>>>> catching the
>>>>> bus.  Thanks.
>>>>> Blaine
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Rene" 
>>>>> <emrene at earthlink.net
>>>>> >
>>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very 
>>>>> good cane
>>>>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the 
>>>>> advantages of
>>>>> having a guide dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>>>>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick  intelligence, a
>>>>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of  you. 
>>>>> That's
>>>>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that 
>>>>> construction site
>>>>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you 
>>>>> might walk
>>>>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's 
>>>>> great!
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll  earn 
>>>>> people's
>>>>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your  dog

>>>>> will
>>>>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach,  and 
>>>>> make
>>>>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say  about 
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into  the 
>>>>> fresh
>>>>> air.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a 
>>>>> funny
>>>>> story about your cane?
>>>>>
>>>>> Weigh the evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy Holidays,
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  for
>>>>> blindlaw:
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec 21 21:19:44 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:19:44 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Posting
Message-ID: <EFFA52774FA94196BD7F32E66940754A@none8a46117901>

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA 11-GAN-AUSA-02 Applications will be considered on an ongoing basis until the position is filled. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-gan-ausa-02.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 16:58:13 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:58:13 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: [fcb-l] Scot's plan for merging departmentts
Message-ID: <78DCA9ECA4234FD3B8D051E6272FF5C8@hometwxakonvzn>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kirk 
To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List ; fcb-l at acb.org ; FRG-BVA at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:41 AM
Subject: [fcb-l] Scot's plan for merging departmentts


Scott team: Merge agencies

 By Jim Saunders and Carol Gentry
12/21/2010 © Health News Florida

Gov.-elect Rick Scott's transition team is calling for a dramatic change in Florida's health-care governance, merging the Department of Health and the Agency for Health Care Administration into a mammoth new agency. 

The Department of Elder Affairs and the Agency for Persons with Disabilities would be folded in, as well. So would the mental-health and substance-abuse programs of the Department of Children and Families.

It would return Florida to the centralized service model that was broken up during the 1990s, with the demise of the old Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services. But Alan Levine, who headed Scott's health and human services transition team, said there's no intention of recreating HRS.

Child welfare got lost in the old HRS, he said. Department of Children and Families will retain its independence in the suggested reorganization.
 
Levine said the merger of DOH, AHCA and the others aims to align "functions" -- putting people together who do similar jobs. That's the way to create more efficient government and reduce duplication, he said.

The report predicted "large savings" if the plan is enacted, a necessity in hard economic times, with the state facing a deficit of around $3.8 billion. Lawmakers have already done some cost-cutting and tapped state trust funds.

A proposed organizational chart calls the new agency, the "Department of Health and Human Services,'' an echo of the federal health agency.

Levine said he knows there will be opposition from "stakeholders" who have strong ties to agencies they are accustomed to dealing with. "I said, 'Let's not worry about the politics of it. Let's tee it up for the Legislature and governor to debate.'"

Such a major change would require legislative approval and would take at least a year to plan and put in place, the document says. House Appropriations Chairwoman Denise Grimsley, a Sebring Republican who is a key player on health issues, said in an e-mail this morning that she backs the concept.

"I do favor consolidation if we can show cost savings, and I believe we can,'' Grimsley said.

But Doug Martin, the Tallahassee-based legislative director of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, said he thinks such a merger would take several years if the Scott administration wants it to work.

"If they just want to jam stuff together like a potato salad, they could do it in a year,'' he said.

Martin also raised the specter of creating something like HRS, which he called "just an impenetrable bureaucratic maze.''

The 68-page plan, released late Monday, also calls for a statewide expansion of managed care in the Medicaid program. Levine, who served as AHCA secretary and as a top aide to former Gov. Jeb Bush, was an architect of a pilot managed-care program for Medicaid.

The team also recommended that Scott appoint someone in the governor's office who could "quarterback" three issues: the merger of the agencies, reforming the Medicaid system and carrying out the new federal health overhaul. However, the report also urged Scott to play a leadership role to repeal that federal law, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, saying its massive expansion of Medicaid will bankrupt the state and undermine the private market.

Scott made a fortune in the health-care industry, building the Columbia/HCA hospital chain before stepping down amid allegations that the company defrauded Medicare. But his health-care positions during this year's gubernatorial campaign were mostly broad statements of support for more privatization and expansion of managed care in Medicaid.

The transition-team recommendations call for far more sweeping changes in how government interacts with the health-care system.

They call for more privatization of government services, taking county health departments out of the business of primary care, privatizing three state mental hospitals and closing the A.G. Holley state tuberculosis hospital. 

Also, the recommendations strongly call for a statewide expansion of the Medicaid pilot program, which currently requires most beneficiaries in five counties to enroll in managed-care plans. Along with the expansion, the recommendations call for using managed care in the state's long-term care programs.

The report also expands on criticism that some lawmakers have heaped on the Department of Health. Members of the transition team said the department lacks a clear mission and headlined one section of the report as, "Challenge: Cultural Barrier to Excellence.''

"One of the largest challenges that the incoming administration will face, in both the short and long term, is how to redefine the culture of the department to promote excellence,'' part of the report said. "It is obvious that the current state of affairs is a product of a multitude of issues, including but not limited to, a lack of understanding with respect to the department's mission, an absence of defined and measurable outcomes and ineffective department leadership.''

The report includes examples of dysfunction at the department. In one of the examples, a transition-team member asked an employee for directions to the surgeon general's office.

"The employee pointed to the clock and noted that it was 6:58 a.m. and they did not begin work until 7 a.m., so they were unable to be of any assistance,'' the report says.

Levine said the problems at DOH are "cultural." When the team asked which employees were best, the answer was that all were "satisfactory."  When the team asked DOH to create a priority list of its functions, it couldn't, viewing all of its tasks as equally important. 

"Left to its own devices," Levine said, "the agency will not recognize that it has problems."

 

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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec 22 21:25:45 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:25:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney office postings
Message-ID: <05747DF19B944BBDBE794FCF228FBD8A@none8a46117901>

Two postings for Colorado and one for North Carolina
***
  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF COLORADO VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO. 11-CO-417579-SAUSA-05 This announcement is open from Tuesday, December 21, 2010 to Tuesday, January 11, 2011.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/12-13-10civildefen.htm ] 
  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF COLORADO VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO. 11-CO-418785-SAUSA-06 This announcement is open from Tuesday, December 21, 2010 to Tuesday, January 11, 2011.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/12-13-10civilaffirmunpauas.htm ] 
  * UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF NORTH CAROLINA ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA 11-EDNC-AUSA-02 Positions are opened until filled. The initial cut-off date for the receipt of applications is December 30, 2010.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11ednc02ausa.htm ] 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec 23 22:20:53 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:20:53 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Imigration Judge opening -Texas
Message-ID: <71268F845A444FC2B8023B470C2A1E7D@none8a46117901>

  * IMMIGRATION JUDGE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION REVIEW IMMIGRATION COURT, HOUSTON, TEXAS VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: EOIR-11-0068 1 POSITION Applications received after 01/13/2011 will not be considered. [ http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/eoir-11-0068.htm ] 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From law at cordovafirm.com  Fri Dec 24 16:45:04 2010
From: law at cordovafirm.com (Marina A. Cordova, Esq.)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:45:04 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
Message-ID: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>



Season's Greeting to Everyone!

 

I have a procedural question for federal court concerning preliminary
injunctions.  I previously included my motion and arguments for preliminary
injunction in my original complaint and first amended complaint.  However,
as more facts have arisen in the case it is necessary for me to submit the
motion for preliminary injunction separate.  I will be submitting my Second
Amended and First Supplemental Class Complaint.  Since this is the first
time the motion for preliminary injunction is separate do I just call it
"motion for preliminary injunction" or do I also call this a "second amended
motion for preliminary injunction?"  Probably the latter, right?

 

I know we're all in different federal districts, I'm in NM fed district
court (10th circuit), but many procedural rules are similar.

 

Sincerely,

Marina A. Cordova

Attorney at Law

551 W. Cordova Road, # 234

Santa Fe, NM 87505

Office (505) 467-8395

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From pattichang at att.net  Sat Dec 25 19:50:46 2010
From: pattichang at att.net (Patti Gregory-Chang)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 13:50:46 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Note
Message-ID: <8726D97DDD55461DBE11BBCC87443408@D3J75Z91>

Dear friends and family, 
December 18, 2010



We are later than usual in getting out our updates and holiday wishes.  Hope 
we find you all happy, healthy, and looking forward to the new year.



Francisco's big news is a new job.  He has switched over to the 
Electrophysiologic (EP)  Lab.   He likes the move and can get a nicer start 
time with it.  He still takes calls with the cath lab.  Has been studying 
tons of material.  Kind of feel like he has gone back to school.



            Patti has been writing the new Chicago Building Code (2 volumes) 
for most of this year.  She still supervises and gets to court sometimes but 
not as much as she wants.  Her big news is an appointment to the National 
Federation of the Blind (NFB) scholarship committee as its chair.  The NFB 
gives away more than $122,000 in this program so it is a big responsibility.



John continues at University of Illinois as a sophomore and is considering a 
major in English/secondary education which would train him to teach English 
at the high school level.  He is pleased with his recent grades and has 
settled in at U of I.    In fact he is coming home today for Winter break. 
Mom and dad can't wait.



Julia is a sophomore at Whitney Young Magnet High School.  She is in choir 
and is lobbying for a new piano.  She plans to work over this coming summer. 
She has an active social life and just reminded mom that she will be 15 this 
coming summer.



            Above is a picture from Little Gerry's wedding.  Yes, he is 
married.  Gerry's little boy is hitched.  It is still amazing.







Love to all of you.





Happy Holidays and best of the New Year.



Francisco, Patti, Johnathon, and Julia





P.S. Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund 
via your phone bill.

P.S.S.  National Federation of the Blind of Illinois is now on twitter at 
www.twitter.com/nfbi.
We also have a facebook page.  Just search for our full name.

Patti Gregory-Chang, Esq.
Chairperson, NFB Scholarship Committee
scholarships at nfb.org
President, National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
pattichang at att.net
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Dec 27 14:23:52 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:23:52 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Two U.S. Atty Postings
Message-ID: <EDAA8EB98D144DD9A882C7025421B793@none8a46117901>

  * ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA 11-WDPA-AUSA-02 Application Deadline is January 21, 2011.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-wdpa-ausa-02.htm ] 

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION, DISABILITY RIGHTS SECTION SPECIAL LEGAL COUNSEL, SL-00 CLOSING DATE: JANUARY 14, 2011 10-ATT-035.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-035.htm ] 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Dec 27 16:35:01 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:35:01 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] DOJ Civil Rights Division,
 Special Legal Counsel position announcement
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED7B8450D9AD@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>


Link:
http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-att-035.htm

Text:
U.S. Department of Justice
Civil Rights Division, Disability Rights Section
Special Legal Counsel, SL-00
Closing Date: January 14, 2011
10-ATT-035

The U.S. Department of Justice, Civil Rights Division<http://www.justice.gov/crt/index.php> is seeking an experienced attorney for the position of Special Legal Counsel of the Disability Rights Section<http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/drs/> in Washington, D.C. The Disability Rights Section handles the Department's enforcement responsibilities under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) under Title I (employment by State and local governments), Title II (all programs, services and activities of public entities), and Title III (public accommodations and commercial facilities). The Section has regulatory authority under Titles II and III and coordination responsibilities under Title II and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973. The Section also provides extensive technical assistance, certifies State and local accessibility codes for equivalency with ADA standards, and provides ADA policy guidance. The Section also handles the Department's enforcement responsibilities under the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act.
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From rthomas at emplmntattorney.com  Mon Dec 27 18:29:51 2010
From: rthomas at emplmntattorney.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:29:51 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
In-Reply-To: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
References: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
Message-ID: <5E489EAB56CC4DFF8C3E4547C39360E3@RThomas>

I am a little confused about what you are saying but let me give it a shot.

First, each of the pleadings you mention should be separate pleadings. I am
very unclear how it is you believe that you included a request for
preliminary injunction and an argument for it in a Complaint. 

If the opposing party has responded to the Complaint, then the only way you
can file an amended complaint is through a stipulation with the opposing
party permitting you to do so or by filing a motion with the court for leave
to file an amended complaint. 

With respect to a preliminary injunction, that should be filed as a separate
motion.  You must follow the Federal Rules on injunctions to the letter.
Also, be sure to check the local rules in your particular district for any
local requirements.

Such a Motion is normally accompanied by a brief and affidavits in support
of the Motion. 


Respectfully,

 

Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr.

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marina A. Cordova, Esq.
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 8:45 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
Importance: High



Season's Greeting to Everyone!

 

I have a procedural question for federal court concerning preliminary
injunctions.  I previously included my motion and arguments for preliminary
injunction in my original complaint and first amended complaint.  However,
as more facts have arisen in the case it is necessary for me to submit the
motion for preliminary injunction separate.  I will be submitting my Second
Amended and First Supplemental Class Complaint.  Since this is the first
time the motion for preliminary injunction is separate do I just call it
"motion for preliminary injunction" or do I also call this a "second amended
motion for preliminary injunction?"  Probably the latter, right?

 

I know we're all in different federal districts, I'm in NM fed district
court (10th circuit), but many procedural rules are similar.

 

Sincerely,

Marina A. Cordova

Attorney at Law

551 W. Cordova Road, # 234

Santa Fe, NM 87505

Office (505) 467-8395

Fax (505) 467-8746

law at cordovafirm.com

 

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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Mon Dec 27 18:42:05 2010
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:42:05 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
In-Reply-To: <129401cba08f$fdb81be0$6601a8c0@server>
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene><C58B3E0D5415466FB44809B38E1B4A0D@GPD945><00f001cb9fec$c89f6a60$6701a8c0@computer2><C1A1F4E34ED048818355E030D52260F3@hometwxakonvzn><00ff01cb9fef$b92682a0$6701a8c0@computer2><A00536C3-C5ED-4F5C-9314-5B6CFE10E4D1@mac.com>
	<129401cba08f$fdb81be0$6601a8c0@server>
Message-ID: <E0882D36F6E9446397450ABC1361B533@HPLaptop>

Please let me know when Sarah's book comes out.

Thanks,

Shannon

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Clark
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:51 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace

Hi George,
Sarah is a financial advisor with Morgan Stanley Smith Barney.  This is what

stock brokers are called today.  However, in Sarah's case she also completed

the financial planning program at UCLA.  She has also written an excellent 
book on investing which will hopefully be on the bookshelves once all the 
internal approvals are completed by Morgan Stanley.  She is an amazing 
person.
Best,
Dennis


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> What kind of financial adviser?
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Sarah Clark wrote:
>
>> Hi RJ,
>> No, I'm not. I'm a financial advisor.
>>
>> Sarah
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" 
>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>> >
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>
>>
>>> Sarah, Are you a Layer? RJ
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Clark" 
>>> <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net
>>> >
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Blaine,
>>>> When I have to go outside with my guide dog and it is raining, I  carry

>>>> an umbrella.  Fortunately I'm never really in environments  where mud 
>>>> is a concern.
>>>> But normally I opt to take a taxi when it is raining.
>>>>
>>>> Sarah Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" 
>>>> <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net
>>>> >
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 5:51 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello there Everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> since we're on the topic of guide dogs in the work place how do  you 
>>>>> manage
>>>>> when it's raining out and your dog gets mud up the entire left  pant 
>>>>> leg? If
>>>>> I'm in the University and waring regular pants it's not that  horible 
>>>>> but I
>>>>> was just wondering what methods you have found when waring your  suit.

>>>>> I
>>>>> often find myself waring suits, so far not when it's been  raining, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> majority of the time when waring a suit I'm getting a ride not 
>>>>> catching the
>>>>> bus.  Thanks.
>>>>> Blaine
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Rene" 
>>>>> <emrene at earthlink.net
>>>>> >
>>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Daniel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a very 
>>>>> good cane
>>>>> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the 
>>>>> advantages of
>>>>> having a guide dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
>>>>> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick  intelligence, a
>>>>> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of  you. 
>>>>> That's
>>>>> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that 
>>>>> construction site
>>>>> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you 
>>>>> might walk
>>>>> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's 
>>>>> great!
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll  earn 
>>>>> people's
>>>>> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your  dog

>>>>> will
>>>>> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach,  and 
>>>>> make
>>>>> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say  about 
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into  the 
>>>>> fresh
>>>>> air.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a 
>>>>> funny
>>>>> story about your cane?
>>>>>
>>>>> Weigh the evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy Holidays,
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From emyska at charter.net  Mon Dec 27 20:39:39 2010
From: emyska at charter.net (Elizabeth Myska)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:39:39 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
In-Reply-To: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
References: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
Message-ID: <000b01cba606$38efdf10$aacf9d30$@net>

Hi Marina,

I would check your circuit's website for the rules for filing. They often
have helpful information which is specific to your circuit in determining
what to call a document like yours. But I would  guess that you are correct
that you would call the document "second amended motion for preliminary
injunction." The checking of the website is just to be safe. 

Attorney Liz Myska 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marina A. Cordova, Esq.
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:45 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
Importance: High



Season's Greeting to Everyone!

 

I have a procedural question for federal court concerning preliminary
injunctions.  I previously included my motion and arguments for preliminary
injunction in my original complaint and first amended complaint.  However,
as more facts have arisen in the case it is necessary for me to submit the
motion for preliminary injunction separate.  I will be submitting my Second
Amended and First Supplemental Class Complaint.  Since this is the first
time the motion for preliminary injunction is separate do I just call it
"motion for preliminary injunction" or do I also call this a "second amended
motion for preliminary injunction?"  Probably the latter, right?

 

I know we're all in different federal districts, I'm in NM fed district
court (10th circuit), but many procedural rules are similar.

 

Sincerely,

Marina A. Cordova

Attorney at Law

551 W. Cordova Road, # 234

Santa Fe, NM 87505

Office (505) 467-8395

Fax (505) 467-8746

law at cordovafirm.com

 

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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 27 20:55:25 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:55:25 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
In-Reply-To: <BF933EADD67549A4A62CB96F6039E258@Rufus>
References: <309527252ED245CE9153B49CB1AD92BD@elizabethrene>
	<BF933EADD67549A4A62CB96F6039E258@Rufus>
Message-ID: <CFD0812938B74DE390E290041251898A@spike>

from the standpoint of balance what happens in the work place when your work 
and life are disrupted to eventually retrain with another guide dog after so 
many years?
chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace


> Elizabeth,
>
> For a bit of fair and balanced perspectives, I'll refute your points with 
> my
> own experiences, though most of your points can be valid.  My responses 
> are
> in-line:
>
> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>
> * Your cane doesn't love you, but nor is it demanding.  Smack on a tip 
> every
> so often, and it could care less if you're happy, sad, or in the mood for
> going anywhere at the break of dawn.*
>
> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of you. 
> That's
>
> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that construction 
> site
> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house you might 
> walk
>
> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!
>
> * And let's not forget the squirrels that entice even the most trained of
> service animals.  If you were furry, had a tail and funny ears, wouldn't 
> you
> get excited if said friends were blowing kisses and generally distracting
> you from doing your job and getting to your meeting on time?*
>
> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll earn 
> people's
>
> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.  Your dog will
> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to approach, and make
> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>
> * Do we really want to be respected for what our dog can do?  I thought
> respect is something I came by for my own abilities.  That pickpocket may
> think twice about snatching something from me, or he might love dogs and
> stick his tongue out at it as he walks away with my wallet.  As for the
> woman, well, do you want her to be more excited about seeing you or your
> canine?*
>
> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say about it.
> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into the fresh
> air.
>
> * Then again, when it's below 32 degrees outside, and the sidewalks are 
> full
> of unshoveled snow, you can enjoy feeling low and freezing at the same
> time!*
>
> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
> story about your cane?
>
> * When was the last time you were out with your friends and had to stop to
> try to clean up diarrhea?  Me thinks you'd be the butt end of that funny
> story.*
>
> In short, people think I'm cynical about guide dogs and wonder why I ever
> got one.  I'm realistic is all, and while everything Elizabeth says can be
> true, the sheer responsibility of owning a guide dog does not merely 
> balance
> the good times, it outweighs it.  If you can deal with all that, by all
> means go out and get yourself a guide dog.  Responsibility notwithstanding
> it can be a pretty great experience.  To give you something positive, I've
> gotten Gator to the point where we can land at any gate at some airports 
> and
> find our way to the taxis without any assistance, as if on autopilot. 
> That,
> to me, kicks ass.
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 8:24 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] Re Guide Dog in the Workplace
>
> Dear Daniel,
>
> I was 27 and in law school when I got my first dog.  I was a
> very good cane
> traveler, and still am when necessary.  Here's my take on the
> advantages of
> having a guide dog.
>
> 1.  Your cane doesn't love you.  Your dog is a living being with a
> centuries-old bond to humankind, motivated by a quick intelligence, a
> courageous and playful spirit, and a loving heart.
>
> 2.  Your cane extends your fingertip maybe six feet in front of
> you.  That's
> good.  Your dog knows what's happening a block away--that
> construction site
> that will make you retrace your steps; that cool coffee-house
> you might walk
> right on by; that dear friend who hasn't noticed you yet.  That's great!
>
> 3.   With your cane and your developed mobility skills, you'll
> earn people's
> respect for doing what they themselves can't imagine doing.
> Your dog will
> smile back at that pretty woman you've been too shy to
> approach, and make
> that pickpocket think twice about picking yours.
>
> 4.   When you're feeling low, your cane won't have much to say
> about it.
> Your dog's needs will get you up off the couch and outside into
> the fresh
> air.
>
> 5.   When was the last time you were out with the guys and told a funny
> story about your cane?
>
> Weigh the evidence.
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
>
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From emyska at charter.net  Mon Dec 27 21:25:33 2010
From: emyska at charter.net (Elizabeth Myska)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:25:33 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
In-Reply-To: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
References: <000601cba389$eab6d9d0$c0248d70$@com>
Message-ID: <000001cba60c$983ddac0$c8b99040$@net>

Hi Marina,

I would check your circuit's website for the rules for filing. They often
have helpful information which is specific to your circuit in determining
what to call a document like yours. But I would  guess that you are correct
that you would call the document "second amended motion for preliminary
injunction." The checking of the website is just to be safe. 

Attorney Liz Myska 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Marina A. Cordova, Esq.
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:45 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] federal court procedural question
Importance: High



Season's Greeting to Everyone!

 

I have a procedural question for federal court concerning preliminary
injunctions.  I previously included my motion and arguments for preliminary
injunction in my original complaint and first amended complaint.  However,
as more facts have arisen in the case it is necessary for me to submit the
motion for preliminary injunction separate.  I will be submitting my Second
Amended and First Supplemental Class Complaint.  Since this is the first
time the motion for preliminary injunction is separate do I just call it
"motion for preliminary injunction" or do I also call this a "second amended
motion for preliminary injunction?"  Probably the latter, right?

 

I know we're all in different federal districts, I'm in NM fed district
court (10th circuit), but many procedural rules are similar.

 

Sincerely,

Marina A. Cordova

Attorney at Law

551 W. Cordova Road, # 234

Santa Fe, NM 87505

Office (505) 467-8395

Fax (505) 467-8746

law at cordovafirm.com

 

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change
the world, indeed it's the only thing that ever has.  - Margaret Mead

 

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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec 30 16:34:21 2010
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:34:21 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty Position opening
Message-ID: <3744ED26B94A49C79D4B3CB1104ECC65@none8a46117901>

 * UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA 11-EDCA-09A This position will be open until filled; however, applications received by Monday, January 10, 2011, will be given first consideration.  [ http://justice.gov/oarm/jobs/ausaad11-edca-09a.htm ] 

"When you are down and out something always turns up - and it's usually the noses of your friends."
- - - Orson Welles 

 

Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Dec 30 17:37:45 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:37:45 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: ISO ADA Title III Business Expert for ABA CLE
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From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:31 AM
To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG
Subject: ISO ADA Title III Business Expert for ABA CLE

Hi all,

The American Bar Association is putting on a CLE around the date of February 24 about the Americans with Disabilities Act.

Program developers are looking for an attorney for the panel who has expertise in the ADA Title III, particularly from a business' perspective.

The CLE will be a webcast, so there is no need for travel.

If you or anyone you know may be a fit, please contact me off list.

Many thanks,
Bill

William J. Phelan, IV, Esq.
Special Projects and Technology Coordinator
Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law
American Bar Association
740 15th Street, NW, 9th Floor
Washington, DC 20005-1022

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