[blindlaw] petition

Tue Jan 12 20:41:00 UTC 2010

Well, Lord help those who don't live in a state with a center.  They had
better scrounge up some money from somewhere.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:39 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition

Yes, if that state already has a blindness center which is supported by the 
tax dollars from the state and federal government.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition

> So a person who lives in a state that does not have a NFB center should 
> have
> to pay their own way to one of these facilities?  Last time I checked, if 
> a
> person is at the stage that they need to go to one of these, they are
> probably at the beginning of their blindness.  Therefore they are not
> working and have no money.  This was my situation.  Fortunately, I didn't
> have to go to a facility because I had a great support system.  But there
> are those who need the service.  I'm not sure whether the costs are
> different for the various centers...but it seems to me if NFB won't do
> anything to assist a person, then they probably aren't truly about 
> educating
> the blind to live independently...And I still say that states need to
> prioritize or else there will be a lot of blind people not able to work,
> live alone etc.
>
> Again, I understand what you're saying but I don't think our two ideas
> should be independent of one another.  If any state government isn't able 
> to
> reorient in times of recession, the people of that state need to elect 
> some
> new people.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:22 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>
> If a person wants to attend a center outside of their state where there is
> already a blindness center, the state in question should not have to pay 
> for
>
> the client to attend.  Voc Rehab budgets are stretched to the limit; there
> is no money for such out of state training.  Unless you can pay your own 
> way
>
> or NFB assists, the state can't aford this expense and still leave funding
> for all other consumers and their needs!!
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>
>
>> What aspect are you speaking of...NFB paying for people to go or for the
>> state to pay for people to go?  Here in Texas, the state agency is always
>> trying to get people to go.  At least they were for me.
>>
>> And I would argue that there is always room in the budget if states would
>> crack down on the way state workers are spending the money.  It's been my
>> experience that the answer is usually no.  So I'm not sure why there is 
>> no
>> money for anything.  Just my thoughts from what I've experienced.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:40 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>
>> With the budgets at this time, we can't afford it.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>
>>
>>> How about we not have only NFB facilities.  I am a member of the local
>>> NFB
>>> chapter but I don't believe their whole philosophy about blindness.
>>> There
>>> are some great points and there are some very strange ones.
>>>
>>> I agree that the NFB should pay but the fact is that they're not.  They
>>> are
>>> tied in with many of the state agencies across the country.
>>>
>>> So, if a person needs to get the state to pay for that institution, then
>>> they should go for it.  Rather than state agencies wasting money on
>>> frivolous things, they need to reorient their budget.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:33 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>
>>> You want blind individuals from those states having a blindness center,
>>> funded by tax payer dollars, to be able to attend NFB centers at those
>>> same
>>> tax payers expense.  That is just not right or fiscally possible..  If
>>> the
>>> NFB wants these clients from states with blindness centers in place to
>>> attend NFB centers, they should establish scholarships or pay the way
>>> with
>>> NFB funding.  The budgets' of states are stretched to the limit.  States
>>> with blindness centers should not pay for clients to attend NFB centers.
>>> There is a limited amount of resources in their budgets.  That is like
>>> saying a state agency should have to fund a education for a consumer to
>>> attend Harvard if the student could qualify.  Again, there limitedf
>>> resources to work with in these cases.  If a consumer wants to attend a
>>> private college, they need to pay the difference or get scholarships to
>>> makeup the difference from what a state agency is able to pay.  Usually,
>>> state agencies will pay for blind consumers to attend in-state
>>> institutions.
>>>
>>> You want an expensive college or an out of state college, you must make
>>> up
>>> the difference.  The same should go for the consumer attending a NFB
>>> center
>>> if his or her state has a blindness center.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>
>>>
>>>> Go down to your local member of Congress office and complain to them in
>>>> person.  Thats how you do things.  Everything else is really not going
>>>> to
>>>> do
>>>> much.
>>>>
>>>> You have to talk to the staff tell them what is going on.  Tell them 
>>>> why
>>>> it
>>>> doesn't work explain it to them because they have no idea why things do
>>>> not
>>>> work, they are not in your shoes.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM, <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There have been allegations that in some states the state agency does
>>>>> not
>>>>> want to pay for residents to go to out of state rehab centers such as
>>>>> the
>>>>> NFB centers and rehab clients have had to request hearings and other
>>>>> things
>>>>> to be have the fees paid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
>>>>> 1237 P Street
>>>>> Fresno ca 93721
>>>>> 559-266-9237
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Dubin" <mdubin at pobox.com>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:26 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   The petition reads: "Blind consumers working with federal state
>>>>> agencies
>>>>>> for the blind and Visually Impaired should be allowed to attend
>>>>>> National
>>>>>> Federation of the blind training centers and they should be fully 
>>>>>> paid
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> by said agencies in the U.S.A. Please rewrite...."
>>>>>> Would someone please explain to me what the problem is that is being
>>>>>> experienced?
>>>>>> How are they being denied the right to attend NFB Training Centers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> marc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc Dubin, Esq.
>>>>>> Director of Advocacy, Center for Independent Living of South Florida
>>>>>> mdubin at pobox.com
>>>>>> Mobile: 305-896-3000
>>>>>> Fax: 877-731-3030
>>>>>> www.victimswithdisabilities.org
>>>>>> Chair, Florida Bar Disability Law Committee
>>>>>> http://disabilitylawcommittee.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> Former Senior Trial Attorney, U.S. Department of Justice 1993-2005
>>>>>> www.ada.gov
>>>>>> Former Special Counsel, Office on Violence Against Women, USDOJ
>>>>>> www.ovw.usdoj.gov/overview.htm
>>>>>> Founder & Executive Director, CAVNET    www.cavnet.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:08 AM
>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, petitions put forth on Internet sites like this have
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> if any real effect with Congress. It is much more effective to use a
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> of actual letters that can electronically be submitted to members of
>>>>>> Congress and/or state legislators. Working with many groups as a
>>>>>> consultant
>>>>>> on legislative issues I have raised this issue previously. While
>>>>>> consumers
>>>>>> definitely need a choice and self empowerment to attend facilities of
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> choice for rehabilitation the Rehab Act of 1973 or any other
>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>> will not get rewritten using this format.
>>>>>> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
>>>>>> 1237 P Street
>>>>>> Fresno ca 93721
>>>>>> 559-266-9237
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser"
>>>>>> <MisterAlexanderScottKaiser10301990 at gmx.com>
>>>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:43 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> please read and sign
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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>>> /
>>>>>>>     Quick
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