[blindlaw] petition

Wed Jan 13 07:01:05 UTC 2010

dthat's a valid point as many consumers expect their hands to be held every 
step of the way and beyond.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition


>I would need to see some empirical data on the effectiveness of NFB centers 
>compared to those run by the states or non-NFB centers.  Some of the 
>hard-luck consumers that states must work with would never be able to make 
>it in a NFB run center.
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
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>> The argument could also be made that by using NFB rehab centers the 
>> quality
>> of the program and the long-term benefit both to the consumer and the 
>> state
>> is more cost effective. I wonder how cost effecdtive some of the non-NFB
>> programs are in comparison. States tned to waste a lot of money by
>> maintaining the status quo.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>
>>
>>> What aspect are you speaking of...NFB paying for people to go or for the
>>> state to pay for people to go?  Here in Texas, the state agency is 
>>> always
>>> trying to get people to go.  At least they were for me.
>>>
>>> And I would argue that there is always room in the budget if states 
>>> would
>>> crack down on the way state workers are spending the money.  It's been 
>>> my
>>> experience that the answer is usually no.  So I'm not sure why there is 
>>> no
>>> money for anything.  Just my thoughts from what I've experienced.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:40 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>
>>> With the budgets at this time, we can't afford it.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>
>>>
>>>> How about we not have only NFB facilities.  I am a member of the local
>>>> NFB
>>>> chapter but I don't believe their whole philosophy about blindness.
>>>> There
>>>> are some great points and there are some very strange ones.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that the NFB should pay but the fact is that they're not.  They
>>>> are
>>>> tied in with many of the state agencies across the country.
>>>>
>>>> So, if a person needs to get the state to pay for that institution, 
>>>> then
>>>> they should go for it.  Rather than state agencies wasting money on
>>>> frivolous things, they need to reorient their budget.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:33 PM
>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>
>>>> You want blind individuals from those states having a blindness center,
>>>> funded by tax payer dollars, to be able to attend NFB centers at those
>>>> same
>>>> tax payers expense.  That is just not right or fiscally possible..  If
>>>> the
>>>> NFB wants these clients from states with blindness centers in place to
>>>> attend NFB centers, they should establish scholarships or pay the way
>>>> with
>>>> NFB funding.  The budgets' of states are stretched to the limit. 
>>>> States
>>>> with blindness centers should not pay for clients to attend NFB 
>>>> centers.
>>>> There is a limited amount of resources in their budgets.  That is like
>>>> saying a state agency should have to fund a education for a consumer to
>>>> attend Harvard if the student could qualify.  Again, there limitedf
>>>> resources to work with in these cases.  If a consumer wants to attend a
>>>> private college, they need to pay the difference or get scholarships to
>>>> makeup the difference from what a state agency is able to pay. 
>>>> Usually,
>>>> state agencies will pay for blind consumers to attend in-state
>>>> institutions.
>>>>
>>>> You want an expensive college or an out of state college, you must make
>>>> up
>>>> the difference.  The same should go for the consumer attending a NFB
>>>> center
>>>> if his or her state has a blindness center.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Go down to your local member of Congress office and complain to them 
>>>>> in
>>>>> person.  Thats how you do things.  Everything else is really not going
>>>>> to
>>>>> do
>>>>> much.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have to talk to the staff tell them what is going on.  Tell them 
>>>>> why
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn't work explain it to them because they have no idea why things 
>>>>> do
>>>>> not
>>>>> work, they are not in your shoes.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM, <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There have been allegations that in some states the state agency does
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> want to pay for residents to go to out of state rehab centers such as
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> NFB centers and rehab clients have had to request hearings and other
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> to be have the fees paid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
>>>>>> 1237 P Street
>>>>>> Fresno ca 93721
>>>>>> 559-266-9237
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Dubin" <mdubin at pobox.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:26 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   The petition reads: "Blind consumers working with federal state
>>>>>> agencies
>>>>>>> for the blind and Visually Impaired should be allowed to attend
>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>> Federation of the blind training centers and they should be fully 
>>>>>>> paid
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> by said agencies in the U.S.A. Please rewrite...."
>>>>>>> Would someone please explain to me what the problem is that is being
>>>>>>> experienced?
>>>>>>> How are they being denied the right to attend NFB Training Centers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> marc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marc Dubin, Esq.
>>>>>>> Director of Advocacy, Center for Independent Living of South Florida
>>>>>>> mdubin at pobox.com
>>>>>>> Mobile: 305-896-3000
>>>>>>> Fax: 877-731-3030
>>>>>>> www.victimswithdisabilities.org
>>>>>>> Chair, Florida Bar Disability Law Committee
>>>>>>> http://disabilitylawcommittee.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> Former Senior Trial Attorney, U.S. Department of Justice 1993-2005
>>>>>>> www.ada.gov
>>>>>>> Former Special Counsel, Office on Violence Against Women, USDOJ
>>>>>>> www.ovw.usdoj.gov/overview.htm
>>>>>>> Founder & Executive Director, CAVNET    www.cavnet.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:08 AM
>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, petitions put forth on Internet sites like this have
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> if any real effect with Congress. It is much more effective to use a
>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>> of actual letters that can electronically be submitted to members of
>>>>>>> Congress and/or state legislators. Working with many groups as a
>>>>>>> consultant
>>>>>>> on legislative issues I have raised this issue previously. While
>>>>>>> consumers
>>>>>>> definitely need a choice and self empowerment to attend facilities 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> choice for rehabilitation the Rehab Act of 1973 or any other
>>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>>> will not get rewritten using this format.
>>>>>>> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
>>>>>>> 1237 P Street
>>>>>>> Fresno ca 93721
>>>>>>> 559-266-9237
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser"
>>>>>>> <MisterAlexanderScottKaiser10301990 at gmx.com>
>>>>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:43 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> please read and sign
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.petition2congress.com/2/2768/rewriting-us-rehabilitation-act-1973
>>>> /
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