From emrene at earthlink.net Thu Jul 1 19:21:09 2010 From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 12:21:09 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Canadian law study Message-ID: Hi, Graham, Major U.S. law firms have offices in other countries, and their associates have to know the law in those jurisdictions. I'd bet some of the major firms in Seattle have business in Canada, and might entertain your inquiries. I've lived in Seattle for a long time, and it's a great city. I wish I could get to BC more often. Best, Elizabeth From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Thu Jul 1 21:09:17 2010 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 15:09:17 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] NABL 2010 Annual Meeting Agenda Attached and in body Message-ID: AGENDA NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS 2010 ANNUAL MEETING --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, July 5, 2010 L'Entrecote Room, Atrium Lobby Hilton Anatole Hotel Dallas, Texas 12:30 p.m. REGISTRATION 1:00 p.m. WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS Scott C. LaBarre, President, NABL Denver, Colorado 1:05 p.m. RECENT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE LAW AFFECTING BLIND AMERICANS Scott C. LaBarre, LaBarre Law Offices; Denver, Colorado, Daniel F. Goldstein, Partner, Brown Goldstein and Levy, Baltimore, Maryland; Mehgan Sidhu, Associate, Brown Goldstein and Levy, Baltimore Maryland; Mary Anne Rojek, Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Jackson, Michigan 2:00 p.m. TEACHING AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS: A Practicing Attorney Learns and Uses Braille After Losing Sight Randal S. Farber, Partner, Jackson Walker, L.L.P., Houston Texas 2:25 p.m. PRACTICE TIPS FOR BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED ATTORNEYS: From Handling Exhibits to Handling Employees; An Interactive Presentation Patti Chang, Practicing Attorney for the City of Chicago; Board Member, NABL; Board Member, NFB; Chicago, Illinois, Parnell Diggs, Private Practitioner; Board Member, NABL; Board Member, NFB; Blind Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, Millie Ann Rivera-Rau, Attorney Advisor, Agency Oversight Division Office of Federal Operations Equal Employment Opportunity Commission; Board Member, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland, Ray Wayne, Supervising Attorney, New York City Commission on Human Rights; Secretary, NABL; New York, New York. 3:20 p.m. Break 3:30 p.m. THE LATEST FROM DOJ: PROTECTING THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES Mazen M. Basrawi, Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General Department of Justice Civil Rights Division 4:00 p.m. THE LATEST IN ACCESSIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS FOR BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED ATTORNEYS Ronza Othman, Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights; Board Member, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland 4:30 p.m. FROM THE DISABILITY RIGHTS BAR TO VOTING RIGHTS: A Comprehensive Presentation from the Burton Blatt Institute Eve L. Hill, Senior Vice President, the Burton Blatt Institute of Syracuse University, Washington, DC 5:00 p.m. ADJOURN 5:00 to 6:30 p.m. NABL RECEPTION (ticketed event) Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres as we celebrate the progress of our organization. Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys and legal professionals. Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. 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LaBarre" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: [blindlaw] NABL 2010 Annual Meeting Agenda Attached and in body AGENDA NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS 2010 ANNUAL MEETING --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, July 5, 2010 L'Entrecote Room, Atrium Lobby Hilton Anatole Hotel Dallas, Texas 12:30 p.m. REGISTRATION 1:00 p.m. WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS Scott C. LaBarre, President, NABL Denver, Colorado 1:05 p.m. RECENT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE LAW AFFECTING BLIND AMERICANS Scott C. LaBarre, LaBarre Law Offices; Denver, Colorado, Daniel F. Goldstein, Partner, Brown Goldstein and Levy, Baltimore, Maryland; Mehgan Sidhu, Associate, Brown Goldstein and Levy, Baltimore Maryland; Mary Anne Rojek, Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Jackson, Michigan 2:00 p.m. TEACHING AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS: A Practicing Attorney Learns and Uses Braille After Losing Sight Randal S. Farber, Partner, Jackson Walker, L.L.P., Houston Texas 2:25 p.m. PRACTICE TIPS FOR BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED ATTORNEYS: From Handling Exhibits to Handling Employees; An Interactive Presentation Patti Chang, Practicing Attorney for the City of Chicago; Board Member, NABL; Board Member, NFB; Chicago, Illinois, Parnell Diggs, Private Practitioner; Board Member, NABL; Board Member, NFB; Blind Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, Millie Ann Rivera-Rau, Attorney Advisor, Agency Oversight Division Office of Federal Operations Equal Employment Opportunity Commission; Board Member, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland, Ray Wayne, Supervising Attorney, New York City Commission on Human Rights; Secretary, NABL; New York, New York. 3:20 p.m. Break 3:30 p.m. THE LATEST FROM DOJ: PROTECTING THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES Mazen M. Basrawi, Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General Department of Justice Civil Rights Division 4:00 p.m. THE LATEST IN ACCESSIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS FOR BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED ATTORNEYS Ronza Othman, Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights; Board Member, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland 4:30 p.m. FROM THE DISABILITY RIGHTS BAR TO VOTING RIGHTS: A Comprehensive Presentation from the Burton Blatt Institute Eve L. Hill, Senior Vice President, the Burton Blatt Institute of Syracuse University, Washington, DC 5:00 p.m. ADJOURN 5:00 to 6:30 p.m. NABL RECEPTION (ticketed event) Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres as we celebrate the progress of our organization. Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys and legal professionals. Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. 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Best, -- Kathryn CARROLL BlueLaw International LLP 703-647-7508 Cell: 631-521-3018 From k7uij at panix.com Fri Jul 2 16:05:29 2010 From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 09:05:29 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act References: Message-ID: Just my opinion: I think that it could be argued before the proposed commission to set accessibility standards that such screens were covered. However, I could see the argument going either way. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Carroll" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act > Hi all, > > Would the technologies affected in the Technology Bill of Rights for the > Blind (H.R. 4533) include the touchscreens for media entertainment that > are > common on many planes used for long-distance and international flights? > > Best, > > -- > Kathryn CARROLL > BlueLaw International LLP > 703-647-7508 > Cell: 631-521-3018 > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Jul 2 16:06:35 2010 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:06:35 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: 6th Annual IMPACT Career Fair for Law Students/Attorneys with Disabilities Message-ID: From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Mary N. 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From b75205 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 18:05:07 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:05:07 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention Message-ID: I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to the Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the walk. It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue to rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. Also rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. James Pepper From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 17:30:54 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:30:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe it is included in it. If passed all features like the mentioned by you Katie is covered, but I have no idea if it is anywhere nearing passage and when a similar piece of legislation will be introduced in the Senate. Once passed in Senate it shall go to President Obama's desk where we all are confident it will be passed. On 7/2/10, Mike Freeman wrote: > Just my opinion: I think that it could be argued before the proposed > commission to set accessibility standards that such screens were covered. > However, I could see the argument going either way. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katy Carroll" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Cc: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:30 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act > > >> Hi all, >> >> Would the technologies affected in the Technology Bill of Rights for the >> Blind (H.R. 4533) include the touchscreens for media entertainment that >> are >> common on many planes used for long-distance and international flights? >> >> Best, >> >> -- >> Kathryn CARROLL >> BlueLaw International LLP >> 703-647-7508 >> Cell: 631-521-3018 >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From kc2992a at student.american.edu Fri Jul 2 18:31:51 2010 From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:31:51 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, I haven't heard about any movement concerning this bill; the thought occurred to me yesterday as I was flying in from abroad. Airlines seem notoriously slow to change regarding any related issue. Thanks for you responses. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Justin Young wrote: > I believe it is included in it. If passed all features like the > mentioned by you Katie is covered, but I have no idea if it is > anywhere nearing passage and when a similar piece of legislation will > be introduced in the Senate. Once passed in Senate it shall go to > President Obama's desk where we all are confident it will be passed. > > On 7/2/10, Mike Freeman wrote: > > Just my opinion: I think that it could be argued before the proposed > > commission to set accessibility standards that such screens were covered. > > However, I could see the argument going either way. > > > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Katy Carroll" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Cc: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:30 AM > > Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act > > > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Would the technologies affected in the Technology Bill of Rights for the > >> Blind (H.R. 4533) include the touchscreens for media entertainment that > >> are > >> common on many planes used for long-distance and international flights? > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> -- > >> Kathryn CARROLL > >> BlueLaw International LLP > >> 703-647-7508 > >> Cell: 631-521-3018 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blindlaw mailing list > >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu > -- Kathryn CARROLL BlueLaw International LLP 703-647-7508 Cell: 631-521-3018 From b75205 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 18:35:45 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:35:45 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The big problem here is that the idea of an accessible ebook is right now a myth because a lot of people promised that their new software would deliver accessibility in ebooks but in reality it is not here yet. To make an ebook today involves reformatting books into many different types of e-books and that is expensive. Oh sure they can set books to be text only but to make a true ebook with the text and images cooresponding on the page is actually a matter of sending the book to India where very cheap labor can slog through the book and set it properly to each type of e-book format. And lets face it, the publishers are not going to lay out a book for and ebook unless they can sell it. So we get books later than everyone else. When someone goes through the trouble of turning it into an e-book. Oh sure the big players can afford to make these things, well not so much anymore with the economy, but the hayday of accessible ebooks was last year. Right now everyone is on hold until this gets sorted out. And since we are talking about a dozen or so e-book formats, the publishers are all trying to figure out which ones are being used by which audience. And since this is all not standardized, the market has not shaken out yet, legislation is at a standstill. Adobe is pushing epub but most publishers would rather make books they can sell on devices other than adobe's ebook reader. That format seems to be the big thing in accessibility and it is already dying the way of the beta max for publishers. Decent product but people are fed up with having to jump through the hoops. We are not there yet. Despite all the promises. James Pepper On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Justin Young wrote: > I believe it is included in it. If passed all features like the > mentioned by you Katie is covered, but I have no idea if it is > anywhere nearing passage and when a similar piece of legislation will > be introduced in the Senate. Once passed in Senate it shall go to > President Obama's desk where we all are confident it will be passed. > > On 7/2/10, Mike Freeman wrote: > > Just my opinion: I think that it could be argued before the proposed > > commission to set accessibility standards that such screens were covered. > > However, I could see the argument going either way. > > > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Katy Carroll" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Cc: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:30 AM > > Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act > > > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Would the technologies affected in the Technology Bill of Rights for the > >> Blind (H.R. 4533) include the touchscreens for media entertainment that > >> are > >> common on many planes used for long-distance and international flights? > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> -- > >> Kathryn CARROLL > >> BlueLaw International LLP > >> 703-647-7508 > >> Cell: 631-521-3018 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blindlaw mailing list > >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From kc2992a at student.american.edu Fri Jul 2 18:39:45 2010 From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:39:45 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Fw: Service dog protection private members bill In-Reply-To: <04d101cb17cb$69d3a8b0$400110ac@GPD945> References: <04d101cb17cb$69d3a8b0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: Very interesting. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Blaine Deutscher wrote: > Hello there. I thought that I would send this to you and anyone who is > interested in reading this feel free. If you have any comments feel free to > write me off list at: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net > > Blaine Deutscher > University of Regina: Faculty of Arts-English > Phone: (cell) 306-531-7137 > (home) 306-543-5737 > e-mail: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net > deutschb at uregina.ca > www.uregina.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu > > -- Kathryn CARROLL BlueLaw International LLP 703-647-7508 Cell: 631-521-3018 From k7uij at panix.com Fri Jul 2 18:39:52 2010 From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:39:52 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention References: Message-ID: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> No walk this year. I'm already here. Mike Freeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" To: Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention >I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to the > Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the > walk. > It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue to > rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. > Also > rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. > > James Pepper > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com From b75205 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 18:54:37 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:54:37 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> References: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> Message-ID: If anyone has their family with them there is a big parade on Saturday Morning in Dallas, that's when everyone will be celebrating the 4th of July and this parade ends up in a park which is in University Park a few miles north of the Anatole and they have lemonade, bounce houses for kids and they hand out watermelon slices, sometimes they have ice cream, it is a nice family event. Thousands of people show up for the parade. Lots of horses in the parade and floats, boy scout troops the whole nine yards. It goes up Preston road and ends up at the University Park Town Hall at Goar Park. Highland Park Presbyterian Church is along the parade route towards the end. James On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: > No walk this year. I'm already here. > > Mike Freeman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention > > > I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >> the >> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >> walk. >> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue to >> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. Also >> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >> >> James Pepper >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From b75205 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 18:55:06 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:55:06 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> Message-ID: Oh and the fireworks will probably be both nights. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:54 PM, James Pepper wrote: > If anyone has their family with them there is a big parade on Saturday > Morning in Dallas, that's when everyone will be celebrating the 4th of July > and this parade ends up in a park which is in University Park a few miles > north of the Anatole and they have lemonade, bounce houses for kids and they > hand out watermelon slices, sometimes they have ice cream, it is a nice > family event. Thousands of people show up for the parade. Lots of horses in > the parade and floats, boy scout troops the whole nine yards. It goes up > Preston road and ends up at the University Park Town Hall at Goar Park. > Highland Park Presbyterian Church is along the parade route towards the > end. > > James > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: > >> No walk this year. I'm already here. >> >> Mike Freeman >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention >> >> >> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>> the >>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>> walk. >>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>> to >>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>> Also >>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>> >>> James Pepper >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > > From k7uij at panix.com Fri Jul 2 20:21:00 2010 From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:21:00 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention References: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> Message-ID: <13FD76628E1F492B8D765027D473DA32@owner1e06aeb63> What? NO bounce houses for us older kids? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention > If anyone has their family with them there is a big parade on Saturday > Morning in Dallas, that's when everyone will be celebrating the 4th of > July > and this parade ends up in a park which is in University Park a few miles > north of the Anatole and they have lemonade, bounce houses for kids and > they > hand out watermelon slices, sometimes they have ice cream, it is a nice > family event. Thousands of people show up for the parade. Lots of horses > in > the parade and floats, boy scout troops the whole nine yards. It goes up > Preston road and ends up at the University Park Town Hall at Goar Park. > Highland Park Presbyterian Church is along the parade route towards the > end. > > James > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: > >> No walk this year. I'm already here. >> >> Mike Freeman >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention >> >> >> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>> the >>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>> walk. >>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>> to >>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>> Also >>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>> >>> James Pepper >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 2 20:50:13 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:50:13 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Pet fee thing: a happy ending Message-ID: <95AD488C-826A-495F-B8CD-0BBCA6EF0C8A@sbcglobal.net> Hi, listers. Just thought you could use some good news. After a change of real estate agents, the owners/landlords waived the pet fee altogether with regard to Ezra the guide dog, and I'm actually mostly moved in there now. :) Happy Fourth, yall. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From b75205 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 20:59:50 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:59:50 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: <13FD76628E1F492B8D765027D473DA32@owner1e06aeb63> References: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> <13FD76628E1F492B8D765027D473DA32@owner1e06aeb63> Message-ID: No, they wont let you in on the pretense of getting your kid! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: > What? NO bounce houses for us older kids? > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention > > > > If anyone has their family with them there is a big parade on Saturday >> Morning in Dallas, that's when everyone will be celebrating the 4th of >> July >> and this parade ends up in a park which is in University Park a few miles >> north of the Anatole and they have lemonade, bounce houses for kids and >> they >> hand out watermelon slices, sometimes they have ice cream, it is a nice >> family event. Thousands of people show up for the parade. Lots of horses >> in >> the parade and floats, boy scout troops the whole nine yards. It goes up >> Preston road and ends up at the University Park Town Hall at Goar Park. >> Highland Park Presbyterian Church is along the parade route towards the >> end. >> >> James >> >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: >> >> No walk this year. I'm already here. >>> >>> Mike Freeman >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention >>> >>> >>> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>> >>>> the >>>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>>> walk. >>>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>>> to >>>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>>> Also >>>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>>> >>>> James Pepper >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 3 03:34:48 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:34:48 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Pet fee thing: a happy ending In-Reply-To: <95AD488C-826A-495F-B8CD-0BBCA6EF0C8A@sbcglobal.net> References: <95AD488C-826A-495F-B8CD-0BBCA6EF0C8A@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: congratulations! a nice way to celebrate the holiday. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark BurningHawk" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 1:50 PM Subject: [blindlaw] The Pet fee thing: a happy ending > Hi, listers. > > Just thought you could use some good news. After a change of real estate > agents, the owners/landlords waived the pet fee altogether with regard to > Ezra the guide dog, and I'm actually mostly moved in there now. :) > > Happy Fourth, yall. > > Mark BurningHawk > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > Namaste! > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Sat Jul 3 14:05:57 2010 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. 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REMINDER: The DRBA listserv is intended to facilitate open discussion and sharing of ideas. Members need to feel confident that their discussions will not be distributed beyond the group unnecessarily. PLEASE CONSULT WITH THE SENDER(S) BEFORE FORWARDING ANY LISTSERV DISCUSSIONS BEYOND THE DRBA GROUP. From b75205 at gmail.com Sat Jul 3 17:24:56 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 12:24:56 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> <13FD76628E1F492B8D765027D473DA32@owner1e06aeb63> Message-ID: The parade is monday. The bus system in dallas is on the sunday schedule on monday. Just found out they closed my local train station for repairs so I cant get down there until next week. James On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:59 PM, James Pepper wrote: > No, they wont let you in on the pretense of getting your kid! > > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: > >> What? NO bounce houses for us older kids? >> >> Mike >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention >> >> >> >> If anyone has their family with them there is a big parade on Saturday >>> Morning in Dallas, that's when everyone will be celebrating the 4th of >>> July >>> and this parade ends up in a park which is in University Park a few miles >>> north of the Anatole and they have lemonade, bounce houses for kids and >>> they >>> hand out watermelon slices, sometimes they have ice cream, it is a nice >>> family event. Thousands of people show up for the parade. Lots of horses >>> in >>> the parade and floats, boy scout troops the whole nine yards. It goes up >>> Preston road and ends up at the University Park Town Hall at Goar Park. >>> Highland Park Presbyterian Church is along the parade route towards the >>> end. >>> >>> James >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: >>> >>> No walk this year. I'm already here. >>>> >>>> Mike Freeman >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention >>>> >>>> >>>> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>>> >>>>> the >>>>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>>>> walk. >>>>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>>>> to >>>>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>>>> Also >>>>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>>>> >>>>> James Pepper >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > > From jimi-law at dc.rr.com Sun Jul 4 01:01:48 2010 From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James Weisberg) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 18:01:48 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Pet fee thing: a happy ending In-Reply-To: <95AD488C-826A-495F-B8CD-0BBCA6EF0C8A@sbcglobal.net> References: <95AD488C-826A-495F-B8CD-0BBCA6EF0C8A@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <0D7548D635AB4FFC9F8EE30998D73DEB@Blind> They didn't have a choice if they were interested in not violating the law. Congrats. James, attorney at law -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 1:50 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] The Pet fee thing: a happy ending Hi, listers. Just thought you could use some good news. After a change of real estate agents, the owners/landlords waived the pet fee altogether with regard to Ezra the guide dog, and I'm actually mostly moved in there now. :) Happy Fourth, yall. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c om __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jul 4 01:18:45 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 20:18:45 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is no walk this year, kind of a virtual fund-raising activity. Dave At 01:05 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote: >I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to the >Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the walk. >It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue to >rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. Also >rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From b75205 at gmail.com Sun Jul 4 15:30:33 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 10:30:33 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Will it be possible for me to come in on Tuesday or Wednesday and register for that day? I cannot get down there on Sunday the bus does not run on Sundays and Monday is also going to be the Sunday Schedule. Next time the convention needs to be in a location that is accessible to mass transit! Also I was wondering if you all could help. There is a grocery store near me where a totally blind man has to walk up the sidewalk to get to the store and his guide dog is very good and helping him stop before he hits the trees. The trees and the hedge are low hanging and blocks his way so he has to guard his face as he goes down this walk, it is about 100 feet and half of it is covered in low limbs. I have asked that they trim it, even showed it to the manager and volunteered to cut it if they had a pruning saw but they have done nothing. This is in Dallas. The man is very independent and refuses to make a fuss but I think it is terrible that he has to go through this every day! James On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 8:18 PM, David Andrews wrote: > There is no walk this year, kind of a virtual fund-raising activity. > > Dave > > > At 01:05 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote: > >> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >> the >> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >> walk. >> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue to >> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >> Also >> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >> > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jul 4 18:31:23 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:31:23 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, you can register any day you go. Dave At 10:30 AM 7/4/2010, you wrote: >Will it be possible for me to come in on Tuesday or Wednesday and register >for that day? I cannot get down there on Sunday the bus does not run on >Sundays and Monday is also going to be the Sunday Schedule. David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 5 05:52:46 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 22:52:46 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86DACF60E4354361BFD8E63FFEC5C229@spike> He needs to file a compliant with the local city code enforcement as well as a compliant with the U.S. Department of Justice as the overhanging trees would constitute an ADA violation regarding accessibility. Details about filing a complaint and downloadable complaint forms are available at www.ada.gov. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention > Will it be possible for me to come in on Tuesday or Wednesday and register > for that day? I cannot get down there on Sunday the bus does not run on > Sundays and Monday is also going to be the Sunday Schedule. > > Next time the convention needs to be in a location that is accessible to > mass transit! > > Also I was wondering if you all could help. There is a grocery store near > me where a totally blind man has to walk up the sidewalk to get to the > store > and his guide dog is very good and helping him stop before he hits the > trees. The trees and the hedge are low hanging and blocks his way so he > has > to guard his face as he goes down this walk, it is about 100 feet and half > of it is covered in low limbs. > > I have asked that they trim it, even showed it to the manager and > volunteered to cut it if they had a pruning saw but they have done > nothing. > This is in Dallas. The man is very independent and refuses to make a fuss > but I think it is terrible that he has to go through this every day! > > James > On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 8:18 PM, David Andrews wrote: > >> There is no walk this year, kind of a virtual fund-raising activity. >> >> Dave >> >> >> At 01:05 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote: >> >>> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>> the >>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>> walk. >>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>> to >>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>> Also >>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>> >> >> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com >> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From b75205 at gmail.com Mon Jul 5 19:34:17 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 14:34:17 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: <86DACF60E4354361BFD8E63FFEC5C229@spike> References: <86DACF60E4354361BFD8E63FFEC5C229@spike> Message-ID: Well it just is a big problem, the grocery store says its the apartment complexes problem because it is their trees but the apartment complex says its on their land and they trim them back in the past without asking, its their problem. I have volunteered to go out there and do it but I do not have a branch cutter. This would take an hour tops. Just a big bunch of "it's not my problem" type of thing. James On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:52 AM, wrote: > He needs to file a compliant with the local city code enforcement as well > as a compliant with the U.S. Department of Justice as the overhanging trees > would constitute an ADA violation regarding accessibility. Details about > filing a complaint and downloadable complaint forms are available at > www.ada.gov. > Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention > > > Will it be possible for me to come in on Tuesday or Wednesday and >> register >> for that day? I cannot get down there on Sunday the bus does not run on >> Sundays and Monday is also going to be the Sunday Schedule. >> >> Next time the convention needs to be in a location that is accessible to >> mass transit! >> >> Also I was wondering if you all could help. There is a grocery store near >> me where a totally blind man has to walk up the sidewalk to get to the >> store >> and his guide dog is very good and helping him stop before he hits the >> trees. The trees and the hedge are low hanging and blocks his way so he >> has >> to guard his face as he goes down this walk, it is about 100 feet and half >> of it is covered in low limbs. >> >> I have asked that they trim it, even showed it to the manager and >> volunteered to cut it if they had a pruning saw but they have done >> nothing. >> This is in Dallas. The man is very independent and refuses to make a fuss >> but I think it is terrible that he has to go through this every day! >> >> James >> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 8:18 PM, David Andrews wrote: >> >> There is no walk this year, kind of a virtual fund-raising activity. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> At 01:05 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote: >>> >>> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>>> the >>>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>>> walk. >>>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>>> to >>>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>>> Also >>>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>>> >>>> >>> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com >>> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From graham.hardy at gmail.com Mon Jul 5 20:29:07 2010 From: graham.hardy at gmail.com (Graham Hardy) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:29:07 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Canadian law study In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCC81955F3A488F9DAFD0A4CFBC5AEC@Desktop> Thanks, Elizabeth, for suggesting law firms in Seattle. After doing a bit more research I've discovered that it's very rare for first-year law students to find positions in law firms at all. Do you know if U.S. law firms might be interested in someone like me, or if I might be burning my bridges by trying to make contact with them too early? Graham -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene Sent: Thursday 1 July 2010 12:21 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Canadian law study Hi, Graham, Major U.S. law firms have offices in other countries, and their associates have to know the law in those jurisdictions. I'd bet some of the major firms in Seattle have business in Canada, and might entertain your inquiries. I've lived in Seattle for a long time, and it's a great city. I wish I could get to BC more often. Best, Elizabeth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/graham.hardy%40gma il.com From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 5 20:49:53 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:49:53 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: <86DACF60E4354361BFD8E63FFEC5C229@spike> Message-ID: <5AC8FA86EB054FD98AFC5DF77845CD99@spike> If it is on the apartment complex's land then the complaint needs to be filed against the apartment complex. Again, contact your city's building code enforcement division. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention > Well it just is a big problem, the grocery store says its the apartment > complexes problem because it is their trees but the apartment complex says > its on their land and they trim them back in the past without asking, its > their problem. I have volunteered to go out there and do it but I do not > have a branch cutter. This would take an hour tops. > > Just a big bunch of "it's not my problem" type of thing. > > James > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:52 AM, wrote: > >> He needs to file a compliant with the local city code enforcement as well >> as a compliant with the U.S. Department of Justice as the overhanging >> trees >> would constitute an ADA violation regarding accessibility. Details about >> filing a complaint and downloadable complaint forms are available at >> www.ada.gov. >> Chuck >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:30 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention >> >> >> Will it be possible for me to come in on Tuesday or Wednesday and >>> register >>> for that day? I cannot get down there on Sunday the bus does not run on >>> Sundays and Monday is also going to be the Sunday Schedule. >>> >>> Next time the convention needs to be in a location that is accessible to >>> mass transit! >>> >>> Also I was wondering if you all could help. There is a grocery store >>> near >>> me where a totally blind man has to walk up the sidewalk to get to the >>> store >>> and his guide dog is very good and helping him stop before he hits the >>> trees. The trees and the hedge are low hanging and blocks his way so he >>> has >>> to guard his face as he goes down this walk, it is about 100 feet and >>> half >>> of it is covered in low limbs. >>> >>> I have asked that they trim it, even showed it to the manager and >>> volunteered to cut it if they had a pruning saw but they have done >>> nothing. >>> This is in Dallas. The man is very independent and refuses to make a >>> fuss >>> but I think it is terrible that he has to go through this every day! >>> >>> James >>> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 8:18 PM, David Andrews wrote: >>> >>> There is no walk this year, kind of a virtual fund-raising activity. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> At 01:05 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote: >>>> >>>> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>>>> the >>>>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>>>> walk. >>>>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably >>>>> continue >>>>> to >>>>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>>>> Also >>>>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com >>>> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From emrene at earthlink.net Tue Jul 6 18:14:35 2010 From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:14:35 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] RE Canadian Law Study Message-ID: <25BA471C80A140B1B33F5FA5066C3EFE@elizabethrene> Hi, Graham, Your chances of clerking with any law firm will depend on how well you do gradewise. They will be looking for people near the top of their class, with proven research and writing skills. You may be right about it being harder to get a job as a first year student, but firms do hire summer clerks, from the pool of students with the credentials listed above. If these clerks do well, they get invited back for the next summer, and possibly hired on full time after graduation. If you are just entering law school this fall, though, the most important thing to be doing now will be to get used to law school, which is very different from college, and to concentrate on doing well there. Law study is very challenging, for sighted students as well as for blind ones, because it involves a whole new way of thinking and learning, and interacting with peers and professors. The workload is heavy, the pressure is intense, and There's an acculturation that takes place that deserves the effort needed to get used to it. A major life task of the first year law student is to find out whether he or she can thrive in that environment, or at least cope with it. Worrying too much about finding a premium clerkship during the first summer could add pressure you don't really need. Once you have at least your first semester grades, then you'll be in a better position from which to approach summer employers. Even if you're not so happy with your first semester grades (my own weren't that hot that first semester), you can still find summer work in the public sector, or as a volunteer. Then too, if your university offers law school courses during the summer, one of these might lighten your workload for the second year or help you catch up on the first. Your law school might offer the chance for first year students to take a summer legal clinic for credit, which would combine classwork with hands-on experience. This could be a great chance to boost your confidence as a student by using what you've learned to help real people solve their legal problems, and by affirming for yourself that being a lawyer is what you really want to do. Your grades will very likely improve quite a bit once you've found your feet in law school. Then you can try again for a clerkship during the summer between your second and third year. Good luck. Elizabeth From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Wed Jul 7 00:19:53 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:19:53 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association Message-ID: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> Hello there. I hear that there is a Blind lawyers association that people can join when they become lawyers? Is it for American lawyers or any lawyer that has a law degree in both Canada and the United states. How is the convention coming? I want to listen into the stream tomorrow annd pick up the blind Lawyers speakers. Have a great day. Blaine From jimi-law at dc.rr.com Wed Jul 7 00:58:14 2010 From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James Weisberg) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:58:14 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> If it's the same blind lawyer's association I contacted they were not the kind of individuals I would choose to associate with. I spoke with the president of one and they were all about the money for dues, period. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:20 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association Hello there. I hear that there is a Blind lawyers association that people can join when they become lawyers? Is it for American lawyers or any lawyer that has a law degree in both Canada and the United states. How is the convention coming? I want to listen into the stream tomorrow annd pick up the blind Lawyers speakers. Have a great day. Blaine _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c om __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Wed Jul 7 02:25:49 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:25:49 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> Message-ID: <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> wow! I know that someone mentioned it and they are going to be at the NFB convention so thought that I would ask about it. What do these dues cover? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisberg" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association If it's the same blind lawyer's association I contacted they were not the kind of individuals I would choose to associate with. I spoke with the president of one and they were all about the money for dues, period. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:20 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association Hello there. I hear that there is a Blind lawyers association that people can join when they become lawyers? Is it for American lawyers or any lawyer that has a law degree in both Canada and the United states. How is the convention coming? I want to listen into the stream tomorrow annd pick up the blind Lawyers speakers. Have a great day. Blaine _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c om __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.m.deutscher%40sasktel.net From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Wed Jul 7 03:35:59 2010 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:35:59 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945><259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> Blaine, me thinks you are already on the Blind Lawyers mailing list. If memory serves, isn't this list for the National Association of Blind Lawyers? It is an NFB affiliate assuming I am right. Although I hang out on this list to learn about various aspects of law, I do not consider myself a member of the NABL. I am not certain there is another blind lawyers association, but it might not be a bad idea to find a way to see if one can be formed; I'd contend that one that is NON AFFILIATED with any of the blindness organizations would be great. Hopefully I've not gotten myself into more trouble than I can chew! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Wed Jul 7 04:10:14 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 22:10:14 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> <27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> Message-ID: <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> yes I was speaking about the NABL. I did not know that it was an affiliate of the NFB chapters. As a member of the NABL and have paid your dues do you have certain privileges--functions that you gather, golf outings, stuff like that? I'm a huge golf fan, or sports fan of any kind. I love communicating with people who share the same interest as me, golfing, drinking coffee, shooting the breeze, walking my dog, stuff like that. I'm andoutdoor type of person, camping, hiking, swimming or boating in the lake, and what not. I also love nice things so as a student right now nice things is not something that I can have, unless I build it myself--oak coffee tables, dressers, night tables, ... Have a great day. Blaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association Blaine, me thinks you are already on the Blind Lawyers mailing list. If memory serves, isn't this list for the National Association of Blind Lawyers? It is an NFB affiliate assuming I am right. Although I hang out on this list to learn about various aspects of law, I do not consider myself a member of the NABL. I am not certain there is another blind lawyers association, but it might not be a bad idea to find a way to see if one can be formed; I'd contend that one that is NON AFFILIATED with any of the blindness organizations would be great. Hopefully I've not gotten myself into more trouble than I can chew! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.m.deutscher%40sasktel.net From jimi-law at dc.rr.com Wed Jul 7 05:18:53 2010 From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James Weisberg) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:18:53 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945><259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <4E84009570DC42358BAA05928BEB8795@Blind> I was so turned off after speaking with the prez I didn't care! He certainly didn't have any interest in selling me on the association though. Reminded me of all those attorneys I cannot stand working with (I'm a litigator)! -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:26 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association wow! I know that someone mentioned it and they are going to be at the NFB convention so thought that I would ask about it. What do these dues cover? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisberg" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association If it's the same blind lawyer's association I contacted they were not the kind of individuals I would choose to associate with. I spoke with the president of one and they were all about the money for dues, period. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:20 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association Hello there. I hear that there is a Blind lawyers association that people can join when they become lawyers? Is it for American lawyers or any lawyer that has a law degree in both Canada and the United states. How is the convention coming? I want to listen into the stream tomorrow annd pick up the blind Lawyers speakers. Have a great day. Blaine _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c om __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.m.deutscher%40sa sktel.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c om __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 7 05:34:01 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:34:01 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> <27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: The NABL is primarily not a social group -- that is its intents are not social, golf etc. It is a Division of the National Federation of the Blind, NFB. Dave At 11:10 PM 7/6/2010, you wrote: >yes I was speaking about the NABL. I did not know that it was an affiliate >of the NFB chapters. As a member of the NABL and have paid your dues do you >have certain privileges--functions that you gather, golf outings, stuff like >that? I'm a huge golf fan, or sports fan of any kind. I love communicating >with people who share the same interest as me, golfing, drinking coffee, >shooting the breeze, walking my dog, stuff like that. I'm andoutdoor type of >person, camping, hiking, swimming or boating in the lake, and what not. I >also love nice things so as a student right now nice things is not >something that I can have, unless I build it myself--oak coffee tables, >dressers, night tables, ... > >Have a great day. David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:32 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:34:32 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> <27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <02c501cb1d9e$75f57550$400110ac@GPD945> so what do you do if you are a member there? discuss legal issues in the states and Canada? Just wondering what the point of this group is to be a member if they don't do any social gatherings? Blaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association The NABL is primarily not a social group -- that is its intents are not social, golf etc. It is a Division of the National Federation of the Blind, NFB. Dave At 11:10 PM 7/6/2010, you wrote: >yes I was speaking about the NABL. I did not know that it was an affiliate >of the NFB chapters. As a member of the NABL and have paid your dues do you >have certain privileges--functions that you gather, golf outings, stuff >like >that? I'm a huge golf fan, or sports fan of any kind. I love communicating >with people who share the same interest as me, golfing, drinking coffee, >shooting the breeze, walking my dog, stuff like that. I'm andoutdoor type >of >person, camping, hiking, swimming or boating in the lake, and what not. I >also love nice things so as a student right now nice things is not >something that I can have, unless I build it myself--oak coffee tables, >dressers, night tables, ... > >Have a great day. David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.m.deutscher%40sasktel.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 8 00:00:06 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:00:06 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> Message-ID: <5A15F292718044A7ABE0842BBF40C5AB@spike> The National Association of Blind Lawyers is an affiliate of NFB. It is open to lawyers and others working in the legal field. There is another organization something to the effect of american Association of visually impaired Lawyers and when I went to their web site at one point it did not seem as friendly and inviting to me as a paralegal. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisberg" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association > If it's the same blind lawyer's association I contacted they were not the > kind of individuals I would choose to associate with. I spoke with the > president of one and they were all about the money for dues, period. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:20 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association > > Hello there. > > I hear that there is a Blind lawyers association that people can join when > they become lawyers? Is it for American lawyers or any lawyer that has a > law > > degree in both Canada and the United states. How is the convention coming? > I > > want to listen into the stream tomorrow annd pick up the blind Lawyers > speakers. Have a great day. > > Blaine > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c > om > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 5173 (20100604) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 5173 (20100604) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 5173 (20100604) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From dandrews at visi.com Thu Jul 8 05:28:18 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 00:28:18 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <02c501cb1d9e$75f57550$400110ac@GPD945> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> <27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> <02c501cb1d9e$75f57550$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: I didn't say they don't do any -- I just said it isn't primarily a social entity;. Also, members are from around the u.s. so members are not in same place that often. As a division of the National Federation of the Blind, the National Association of Blind Lawyers has its annual meeting at NFB's convention -- this past Monday in Dallas, texas. The agenda was posted to this list last week. After words, they did have a reception for members. Dave At 01:34 AM 7/7/2010, you wrote: >so what do you do if you are a member there? discuss legal issues in the >states and Canada? Just wondering what the point of this group is to be a >member if they don't do any social gatherings? >Blaine David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 8 05:37:58 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 22:37:58 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945><259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind><01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945><27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: The NABL focuses its activities on providing support and training for blind lawyers and legal professionals. It is a division of the NFB and is involved in activities and training at the National convention and sponsors other seminars and training throughout the year. As an outdoor enthusiast you might check out the recreation and sports division of the NFB. Although I'm not sure if there is an equivalent in Canada. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" To: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association > yes I was speaking about the NABL. I did not know that it was an affiliate > of the NFB chapters. As a member of the NABL and have paid your dues do > you > have certain privileges--functions that you gather, golf outings, stuff > like > that? I'm a huge golf fan, or sports fan of any kind. I love communicating > with people who share the same interest as me, golfing, drinking coffee, > shooting the breeze, walking my dog, stuff like that. I'm andoutdoor type > of > person, camping, hiking, swimming or boating in the lake, and what not. I > also love nice things so as a student right now nice things is not > something that I can have, unless I build it myself--oak coffee tables, > dressers, night tables, ... > > Have a great day. > > Blaine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association > > > Blaine, me thinks you are already on the Blind Lawyers mailing list. If > memory serves, isn't this list for the National Association of Blind > Lawyers? It is an NFB affiliate assuming I am right. > > Although I hang out on this list to learn about various aspects of law, I > do > not consider myself a member of the NABL. I am not certain there is > another > blind lawyers association, but it might not be a bad idea to find a way to > see if one can be formed; I'd contend that one that is NON AFFILIATED with > any of the blindness organizations would be great. Hopefully I've not > gotten myself into more trouble than I can chew! > > Sincerely, > Olusegun > Denver, Colorado > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.m.deutscher%40sasktel.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Fri Jul 9 00:28:09 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:28:09 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Owner approved: Chat line for blind people Message-ID: <00a201cb1efd$9ba28670$400110ac@GPD945> Hello there. I spoke with Dave and got his permission to post this to the list. I just wanted to let people out there know that there is a conference line for blind people. The number is 1-724-444-3592. I'm in room three and what I'm looking for is if there are any lawyers that would like to come together and chat about careers, answer questions that people may have about legal issues that don't require a lot of information. I'm looking at questions like if I have a guide dog and am refused do you know of any law firms in (alabama) that I could go to. the instructions to get in are: 1. dile the number (1-724-444-3592) 2. Press one when you hear welcome to TalkShop and you will enter the main menu 3. when you hit the main menu press two for private rooms then you will hear enter a room number up to ten digets followed by the pound key. 4. press three then pound and I will be there. If you want to move around the line you can move up and down by zero (down a room) and pound (Up a room). Hope to see you on here. Blaine From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 9 03:57:01 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 20:57:01 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Owner approved: Chat line for blind people In-Reply-To: <00a201cb1efd$9ba28670$400110ac@GPD945> References: <00a201cb1efd$9ba28670$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <6F598ED921414015958B669181EEFADC@spike> not a real effective use of time management as a professional. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" To: Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:28 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Owner approved: Chat line for blind people > Hello there. > > I spoke with Dave and got his permission to post this to the list. I just > wanted to let people out there know that there is a conference line for > blind people. The number is 1-724-444-3592. I'm in room three and what I'm > looking for is if there are any lawyers that would like to come together > and > chat about careers, answer questions that people may have about legal > issues > that don't require a lot of information. I'm looking at questions like if > I > have a guide dog and am refused do you know of any law firms in (alabama) > that I could go to. the instructions to get in are: > 1. dile the number (1-724-444-3592) > 2. Press one when you hear welcome to TalkShop and you will enter the main > menu > 3. when you hit the main menu press two for private rooms then you will > hear > enter a room number up to ten digets followed by the pound key. > 4. press three then pound and I will be there. If you want to move around > the line you can move up and down by zero (down a room) and pound (Up a > room). > > Hope to see you on here. > > Blaine > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From jsorozco at gmail.com Sat Jul 10 00:05:23 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 20:05:23 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Serving on Juries Message-ID: <1D3431979CD547FD8E10C16FFDF1415A@Rufus> Hello, I may very well be one of the few people who would find serving on a jury an awesome experience. I was summoned to serve on a grand jury here in DC, and I wonder if I should expect any difficulties on account of my being blind? Does it depend on the judge, the attorneys or the cases? Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks.--Joe Orozco "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing From k7uij at panix.com Sat Jul 10 05:20:16 2010 From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 22:20:16 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Serving on Juries References: <1D3431979CD547FD8E10C16FFDF1415A@Rufus> Message-ID: <8A9F4DDFC55147FBB2D210093C3A9D8C@owner1e06aeb63> Joe: To a certain extent, it does depend upon the judges and attorneys. And, at least in Washington state, any attorney is allowed two peremptory challenges during the voie dire process so one might get booted from a potential jury without being able to question the reason. However, in the one case on whose jury I served, I was not challenged during the voie dire and the only questions from the defense attorney were whether I had handled firearms (it was a reckless endangerment case) and was mildly surprised when I said that I had. Other than that, I had no trouble. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Serving on Juries > Hello, > > I may very well be one of the few people who would find serving on a jury > an > awesome experience. I was summoned to serve on a grand jury here in DC, > and > I wonder if I should expect any difficulties on account of my being blind? > Does it depend on the judge, the attorneys or the cases? Any tips would > be > appreciated. Thanks.--Joe Orozco > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com From emrene at earthlink.net Sat Jul 10 22:52:44 2010 From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:52:44 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Grand jury service Message-ID: <9C2BDE2B29B645A6822DF127FAB1836E@elizabethrene> Joe, I served as an assistant prosecuting attorney, at trial and on appeal, for nine years. Here is my perspective. if you are summoned to serve on a grand jury, you will be asked to determine whether someone should be indicted for a felony offense. The question will be whether there exists enough evidence to bring that person to trial on the charges proposed by the prosecution. Like Mike, I'm from Washington, and we don't use grand juries here. So I don't know, or remember, whether there will be a voire dire examination to seat you on the grand jury panel. I doubt, though, that your blindness will be a factor, since your job would be to assess the sufficiency of the evidence needed to support a charge, rather than to determine the guilt or innocence of the accused. The evidence would probably be presented in a different way than at trial, and different standards of proof would apply. If the grand jury voted to indict, the evidence could be further developed for presentation at trial. So even the kinds of evidence that might make some less informed lawyers nervous about having a blind juror seated for trial--traffic accident reconstruction evidence, say, or the nonverbal cues as to a witness's credibility that never make it into the record, might not even be put before a grand jury. Either way, the Constitutional right of the accused person to be tried by a jury of his or her peers, and the duty of the prosecution to bear its burden of proof, would be paramount to the court. Lawyers have a duty to present their evidence in ways that allow each juror to understand it and to weigh its significance. But, in selecting a jury panel, they also get to assure themselves that each juror will have the capacity to receive the evidence, to remember it, and to evaluate it in deciding the issues in question. We blind citizens have a duty to serve on a jury if called to do so, but we don't have an enforceable right to be there. Nobody does. So, as obnoxious and demeaning as it is to be the subject of questions about our abilities to serve as jurors, I think it's in our best interest as blind citizens to present ourselves in court in ways that effectively communicate our competence, and to not allow under our skin questions and conduct from lawyers whose jobs require them to defend interests conflicting with our own. On the other hand, though, if I am ever accused of a crime, and go to trial, I hope that my lawyer will demand, as a matter of my Constitutional right to a jury of my peers, that the panel seated to decide my guilt or innocence include some blind people. Elizabeth From bspiry at comcast.net Mon Jul 12 01:38:49 2010 From: bspiry at comcast.net (Bill Spiry) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:38:49 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Grand jury service In-Reply-To: <9C2BDE2B29B645A6822DF127FAB1836E@elizabethrene> References: <9C2BDE2B29B645A6822DF127FAB1836E@elizabethrene> Message-ID: <001001cb2162$fb8f1140$f2ad33c0$@net> Elizabeth Your explanation of balancing the tension between the interests of the representing attorneies and their clients vs. the interests and dignity of potential jurors with disabilities is concise and well done. Thanks. Bil Bill spiry Juris Doctor candidate 2012 University of Oregon School of Law -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:53 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Grand jury service Joe, I served as an assistant prosecuting attorney, at trial and on appeal, for nine years. Here is my perspective. if you are summoned to serve on a grand jury, you will be asked to determine whether someone should be indicted for a felony offense. The question will be whether there exists enough evidence to bring that person to trial on the charges proposed by the prosecution. Like Mike, I'm from Washington, and we don't use grand juries here. So I don't know, or remember, whether there will be a voire dire examination to seat you on the grand jury panel. I doubt, though, that your blindness will be a factor, since your job would be to assess the sufficiency of the evidence needed to support a charge, rather than to determine the guilt or innocence of the accused. The evidence would probably be presented in a different way than at trial, and different standards of proof would apply. If the grand jury voted to indict, the evidence could be further developed for presentation at trial. So even the kinds of evidence that might make some less informed lawyers nervous about having a blind juror seated for trial--traffic accident reconstruction evidence, say, or the nonverbal cues as to a witness's credibility that never make it into the record, might not even be put before a grand jury. Either way, the Constitutional right of the accused person to be tried by a jury of his or her peers, and the duty of the prosecution to bear its burden of proof, would be paramount to the court. Lawyers have a duty to present their evidence in ways that allow each juror to understand it and to weigh its significance. But, in selecting a jury panel, they also get to assure themselves that each juror will have the capacity to receive the evidence, to remember it, and to evaluate it in deciding the issues in question. We blind citizens have a duty to serve on a jury if called to do so, but we don't have an enforceable right to be there. Nobody does. So, as obnoxious and demeaning as it is to be the subject of questions about our abilities to serve as jurors, I think it's in our best interest as blind citizens to present ourselves in court in ways that effectively communicate our competence, and to not allow under our skin questions and conduct from lawyers whose jobs require them to defend interests conflicting with our own. On the other hand, though, if I am ever accused of a crime, and go to trial, I hope that my lawyer will demand, as a matter of my Constitutional right to a jury of my peers, that the panel seated to decide my guilt or innocence include some blind people. 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These judges accept and consider law clerk applicants of all backgrounds, and this opportunity is merely an effort in addition to, not in lieu of, traditional application channels. Judge Lee, along with four of his colleagues, will be conducting a round of interviews in connection with the Just the Beginning Foundation Share the Wealth Judicial Law Clerk Program on Saturday, September 18, 2010, in Alexandria, Virginia. Twelve students will be selected to interview; you may not attend unless you are specifically invited to do so. The following five federal district judges will be participating in this law clerk interview session: * Judge Gerald Bruce Lee, E.D. Va. (Alexandria) * Judge Raymond Jackson, E.D. Va. (Norfolk) * Chief Judge James Spencer, E.D. Va. (Richmond) * Judge Richard W. Roberts, D.D.C. * Judge Alexander Williams, D. Md. (Greenbelt) Additionally, these five judges will be considering applicants for a clerkship with Judge Irene Berger, S.D. W. Va. (Beckley). Please note that all clerkships are for one year terms. Each judge will review applications and participate in deciding which students to invite to this special round of interviews. Therefore, you must submit a separate application package to each judge whom you would like to consider your application. The panel will only interview candidates who are seriously interested in being considered by a minimum of three of the participating judges. The JTBF Share the Wealth Judicial Law Clerk Program is a referral program run by judges. Participating judges screen qualified law student applicants, conduct panel interviews with twelve students, and consider them for clerkship positions. At the conclusion of this initial process, students who are not extended an offer by one of the six judges may have their application packages shared with additional judges who have requested to receive information on applicants through JTBF. Many judges contact JTBF to seek assistance in identifying competitive candidates from diverse backgrounds for consideration. The following is a list of participating judges and their mailing addresses, as well as instructions on how to apply to the participating judges. Please feel free to contact Ebony Johnson, law clerk to the Honorable Gerald Bruce Lee, if you have any questions: EbonyJohnson at vaed.uscourts.gov JTBF Share the Wealth Law Clerk Program: Participating Judges The Honorable Irene Berger United States District Judge P.O. Box 5009 Beckley, WV 25801 The Honorable Raymond Jackson United States District Judge United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia Walter E. Hoffman United States Courthouse 600 Granby Street Suite 130 Norfolk, VA 23510 The Honorable Gerald Bruce Lee United States District Judge United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia 401 Courthouse Square Alexandria, VA 22314 The Honorable Richard W. 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Name: image004.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 368 bytes Desc: image004.jpg URL: From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Jul 12 20:28:34 2010 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:28:34 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] DOJ and DOE: E-readers Must Be Accessible, Library Journal, July 1 2010 Message-ID: Link: http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/community/academiclibraries/885596-265/doj_and_doe_ereaders_must.html.csp Text: DOJ and DOE: E-readers Must Be Accessible By David Rapp July 1, 2010 The U.S. Departments of Justice (DOJ) and Education (DOE), in a letter released Tuesday, reinforced their firm stance against universities using e-readers that cannot be used by the blind. The departments jointly released an open "Dear Colleague" letter, directed at colleges and universities, advising them against using e-readers that are "not accessible to students who are blind or have low vision," and calling their use "unacceptable." "With technological advances, procuring electronic book readers that are accessible should be neither costly nor difficult," the departments stated. Past settlements This pointed reiteration of the departments' position mentions recent settlements the DOJ made with five academic institutions. As LJ reported in January, four schools-Arizona State University (ASU), Tempe; Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland; Pace University, New York City; and Reed College, Portland, OR-agreed not to use any e-readers, including Amazon's Kindle DX, until they are rendered fully accessible for blind students. Princeton University, NJ, reached a similar agreement with the DOJ in March. (The settlements can be seen on the Americans with Disabilities Act website.) The five schools, along with the Darden School of Business at the University of Virginia, Charlottesville, had been part of a pilot project last year for students to deploy Kindle DXs to help determine the role of e-readers in an academic setting. However, in July 2009, ASU was sued by the National Federation of the Blind and the American Council of the Blind, who charged that the Kindle DX, though it did have a text-to-speech function, had an interface that made it impossible for blind people to use. Accessible options Apple's iPad, as well as its iPod Touch and iPhone devices, offer the capacity to be fully accessible to the blind. A technology called VoiceOver describes out loud whatever is under the user's finger on the touch-screen. But the iPad is currently more expensive than other e-readers. Princeton has also reported an ongoing problem with iPads on its campus, due to a software bug which has led to network difficulties. The Kindle, however, may soon find its way back to universities. In December 2009, Amazon announced that it aimed to add more accessibility features to the Kindle, including audible menus. The latest iteration of the Kindle, due to be released next week, has larger font options, but time will tell if more features will follow. From tom at tomladis.com Mon Jul 12 22:48:20 2010 From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:48:20 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support References: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1><7BDC17BBA47C498092CB7780D10E1811@LawOfficePC><26DF25C22D2743008FCE6CA89C81EF8E@TMLDELLLAPTOP1><039f01caf4b5$af28e030$6601a8c0@server><6539E4A36B6140989C419787B8560DC7@TMLDELLLAPTOP1> <006501cb158f$2d5f7b90$6601a8c0@server> Message-ID: Hi Dennis, I completed the test on June 13, and got a 139. Considering what I went through to get through the test and that I could not do the logic games section or take notes, I am proud of what I did. For the next short while I will go through the process and try to make it better. I feel like I am contributing to the blind community just doing that. I plan to take the test again. Equip For Equality is working with Kaplan to make the LSAT prep course accessible. Once they have things et up, I will take the prep class again. Then I will register with LSAC to take the test under a completely new set of accommodations based on what I learned by taking it in June. I have to hand it to anyone who is blind and has made it through the test. The accommodations at Kaplan and from the LSAC were essentially unfair and probably illegal or not in sync with the spirit of ADA law. What are you working on lately (if you can share that info)? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support Hello Tom, I was just cleaning my inbox and ran across your message. How is the Kaplan review going for you and are, or have you already taken the LSAT this month? Drop me a note when you have time and let me know how all is going for you. Also if I can help in some way let me know. All the best, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support Hello Dennis and All, Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting issues due to table conversion issues. I have also not done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of these issues with Kaplan. At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get into many schools, but probably a good first attempt. I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being administered on a computer starting this year. If that is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that will put everyone into the same ball park. They are still going to provide my test in a printed format along with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen reader application. She reported that people did not like the computer format because it did not allow them to do their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how Kaplan trains test takers. More later as I try to get another practice exam or three done before the actual test. Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the question text that got jumbled during conversion, and appreciate your offer of support. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support Hello Tom, I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for about 20 years now since I graduated from law school and I have had some success over the years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to convert the PDF's that Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you can do with Open Book. The files are too large to be sent as email attachments but if we can talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file transfer service that I use. I would also like to talk with you about the legal problems raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course. Over the years I have taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was accessible, but my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA. However, the ADA has been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they get their act together and provide complete course accessibility. Please give me a call if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am located in California, but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I look forward to talking with you. Warmest regards, Dennis Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very difficult to work with to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email instead of human interaction. They are not willing to give much information over the phone, and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter in PDF files for me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see them add some more check boxes to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations advisors to people who are blind. Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended Kaplan, but it appears that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText and when you need to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files all seem to have formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke with Freedom Scientific about the problem and their conclusion is that the files are not formatted to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF files using OpenBook and saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of junk in the file because of their multi column structure and the books being for the Premier classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to keep up with a class when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded in the test is a problem. It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just trying to level the playing field for blind people who are already in or trying to get into the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the playing field leveled and attorney fees paid are welcome. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support Hi Tom, I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much less accessible, as the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped around the screen at random. In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC. Kaplan had nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo last September and again last December. One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day. I prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able to read only 14 or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of time. To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to help me study, my options were limited. I don't what the implications are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention. If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills at this level. They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for them to meet with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit for the task. After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No, not at this time." I have since learned that two of my acquaintances in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology. I would not go so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me that the playing field is far from level. I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way, and I wish you the best of luck on test day! Regards, Derek Wilson www.twitter.com/culturemate http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis wrote: > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has > started > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to get me the PDF files > just > 3 days before the class started. My fault for starting late and I have > not > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me > the materials in a JAWS friendly format. I was finally able to get > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest > solution > either. > > Thanks for your thoughts, > Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support > > > Tom > > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan > has > demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying > with > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a > constructive dialog with them. > > > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl > Philadelphia, PA 19111 > Tel: (215) 305-8085 > Fax: (215) 525-0999 > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > This message and/or its attachment(s) is being sent by a lawyer and may > contain privileged and confidential information and may be protected by > attorney client and work product privileges. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, > reading, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. > > If you have received this communication in error, notify Attorney > Alcidonis > at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com, and permanently delete > this message from your system. This communication is covered by the > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. § 2510-2521. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Tom Ladis" > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support > >> Hello All. >> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in >> a digital format. They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS. >> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not usable. Kaplan has not been able >> to provide anything besides the PDF files. >> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word >> document? >> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe >> for the practice tests? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonislaw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dwilson.lists%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com From tom at tomladis.com Tue Jul 13 17:57:13 2010 From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:57:13 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Inaccessible Canon Printer Scanner Applications Message-ID: Hello all. I recently purchased a new Canon Printer Scanner Copier unit from Best Buy. Most of the applications that come with the unit are not accessible to JAWS. For the sake of furthering accessibility for blind people (and helping me), is anyone interested in starting a conversation with Canon regarding their hardware and software applications, and their discrimination against blind people? Since Canon is so big, their compliance would make a huge difference for blind people and a statement for software and hardware developers. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3013 - Release Date: 07/18/10 18:35:00 _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 22 19:16:52 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:16:52 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] FCC seeks comments on accessible mobile phone options for blind and deaf blind Message-ID: DA 10-1324 Released: July 19, 2010 Wireless Telecommunications Bureau And Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau Seek Comment on Accessible Mobile Phone Options for People who are Blind, Deaf-blind, or Have Low Vision Comment Date: September 13, 2010 Reply Comment Date: September 30, 2010 On May 13, 2010, the Wireless Telecommunications Bureau and the Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau held a workshop on "Expanding Disability Access with Wireless Technologies" (Wireless Access Workshop) to learn more about mobile communications issues facing people with disabilities and the ways in which new technologies can offer opportunities to meet the communications access needs of this community. Participants included stakeholders from the disability community, industry, academia, and non-profit organizations. On June 15, 2010, the Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau met with twelve members of the deaf-blind community, along with representatives of the Helen Keller National Center and the American Association of the Deaf-Blind.1 The purpose of this meeting was to discuss telecommunications and Internet barriers experienced by this population. Based on the input that Commission staff received during these events, along with the record developed in conjunction with the National Broadband Plan,2 we are concerned that people who are blind or have other vision disabilities have few accessible and affordable wireless phone options.3 More specifically, according to statements made at the workshop, the vast majority of mobile telephones are not accessible to this population without the addition of expensive software. We are also concerned that many wireless technologies may not be compatible with Braille displays needed by individuals who are deaf-blind. In addition, according to the participants of the June 15th meeting, many specialized technologies needed to enable wireless telecommunications access for the deaf-blind community are cost prohibitive and difficult to find. In order to be fully informed on the issues raised by consumers and determine appropriate next steps to achieve telecommunications access for these populations, we seek input from all stakeholders on the following: (1) The wireless phone features and functions in the current marketplace that are not accessible for people who are blind, have vision loss, or are deaf-blind and the extent to which gaps in accessibility are preventing wireless communication access by these populations; (2) The cost and feasibility of technical solutions to achieve wireless accessibility for these populations; (3) Reasons why there are not a greater number of wireless phones - particularly among less expensive or moderately-priced handset models - that are accessible to people who are blind or have vision loss; (4) Technical obstacles, if any, to making wireless technologies compatible with Braille displays, as well as the cost and feasibility of technical solutions to achieve other forms of compatibility with wireless products and services for people who are deaf-blind; (5) Recommendations on the most effective and efficient technical and policy solutions for addressing the needs of consumers with vision disabilities, including those who are deaf-blind. (6) Recommendations on actions that our bureaus or the Commission should take to address the current lack of access. For example, is additional guidance needed on specific access features that should be included in wireless products? Should we facilitate a dialogue among stakeholders in order to reach a specific agreement to address the accessibility concerns outlined above? Pursuant to sections 1.415 and 1.419 of the Commission's rules, interested parties may file comments on or before September 13, 2010 and reply comments on or before September 30, 2010. Comments may be filed using: (1) the Commission's Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS), (2) the Federal Government's eRulemaking Portal, or (3) by filing paper copies. See Electronic Filing of Documents in Rulemaking Proceedings, 63 FR 24121 (1998). * Electronic Filers: Comments may be filed electronically using the Internet by accessing the ECFS: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/. Filers should follow the instructions provided on the website for submitting comments. * Paper Filers: Parties who choose to file by paper must file an original and four copies of each filing. If more than one docket or rulemaking number appears in the caption of this proceeding, filers must submit two additional copies for each additional docket or rulemaking number. * Filings can be sent by hand or messenger delivery, by commercial overnight courier, or by first-class or overnight U.S. Postal Service mail (although we continue to experience delays in receiving U.S. Postal Service mail). All filings must be addressed to the Commission's Secretary, Office of the Secretary, Federal Communications Commission. * The Commission's contractor will receive hand-delivered or messenger-delivered paper filings for the Commission's Secretary at 236 Massachusetts Avenue, NE, Suite 110, Washington, DC 20002. The filing hours at this location are 8:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. All hand deliveries must be held together with rubber bands or fasteners. Any envelopes must be disposed of before entering the building. * Commercial overnight mail (other than U.S. Postal Service Express Mail and Priority Mail) must be sent to 9300 East Hampton Drive, Capitol Heights, MD 20743. * U.S. Postal Service first-class, Express, and Priority mail must be addressed to 445 12th Street, SW, Washington DC 20554. A copy of this document and any subsequently filed documents in this matter will be available during regular business hours at the FCC Reference Center, Portals II, 445 12th Street, SW, Room CY-A257, Washington, DC 20554, (202) 418-0270. This document and any subsequently filed documents in this matter may also be purchased from the Commission's duplicating contractor at their website, www.bcpiweb.com, or by calling 1-800-378-3160. A copy of the submission may also be found by searching on the Commission's Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS) at http://www.fcc.gov.cgb/ecfs. To request materials in accessible formats for people with disabilities (Braille, large print, electronic files, audio format), send an e-mail to fcc504 at fcc.gov or call the Consumer & Governmental Affairs Bureau at (202) 418-0530 (voice), (202) 418-0432 (TTY). FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Elizabeth Lyle, Wireless Telecommunications Bureau, (202) 418-1776; TTY (202) 418-1169 or email at Elizabeth.Lyle at fcc.gov. -FCC- 1 Meeting summary available at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020511584. 2 See, e.g., American Association of the Deaf-Blind Comments in re: NBP PN#4 (Comment Sought on Broadband Accessibility for People with Disabilities Workshop II: Barriers, Opportunities, and Policy Recommendations - NBP Public Notice #4, GN Docket Nos. 09-47, 09-51, 09-137, Public Notice 24 FCC Rcd 11968 (CGB 2009), filed Oct. 6, 2009, at 1-2. 3 See e.g., Comments of Paul Schroeder, American Foundation for the Blind, "Expanding Disability Access with Wireless Technologies," (May 13, 2010), (Wireless Access Workshop), http://reboot.fcc.gov/video-archives. ?? ?? ?? ?? PUBLIC NOTICE --------------------------------------------------------- From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 22 20:13:04 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:13:04 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Department of Labor seeks input to strenghten disability regulations Message-ID: News Release U.S. Department of Labor For Immediate Release Office of Public Affairs July 22, 2010 Washington, D.C. Contact: Jesse Lawder Michael Volpe Release Number: 10-1015-NAT Phone: 202-693-4659 202-693-3984 US Labor Department seeks public input to strengthen disability regulations WASHINGTON - The U.S. Department of Labor's Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs is seeking input from the public on ways to strengthen its regulations requiring federal contractors to take affirmative action to employ and advance in employment qualified individuals with disabilities. In an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to be published in the Federal Register July 23, the agency invites the public to help revise the regulations implementing Section 503 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973. "Equal access to employment is a fundamental right of every American," said Secretary of Labor Hilda L. Solis. "It's time to update this regulation to ensure that everyone has access to good jobs, including individuals with disabilities." The Section 503 regulations have required equal employment opportunity and affirmative action since the 1970s, yet the rate of disabled people who are unemployed or not in the labor force remain significantly higher than those without disabilities. According to recent data from the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics, 21.7 percent of people with disabilities were in the labor force in June 2010, compared with 70.5 percent of people with no disability. In addition, the unemployment rate for those with disabilities was 14.4 percent, compared with 9.4 percent unemployment for those without a disability. "Work is central to every person's financial independence, sense of self and integrity," said OFCCP Director Patricia A. Shiu. "OFCCP is re-examining its affirmative action regulations so that people with disabilities can be assured that federal contractors are proactively seeking them out for employment." Topics on which comment is requested include: · What employment practices have been effective in recruiting, hiring, advancing and retaining qualified individuals with disabilities. · What data are available that could be used to establish hiring goals and conduct utilization analyses of individuals with disabilities. · How linkage agreements between federal contractors and organizations that focus on the employment of qualified individuals with disabilities can be strengthened to increase effectiveness. Comments must be received by OFCCP within 60 days of the ANPRM's publication. To read the ANPRM or submit a comment, go to the Federal eRulemaking Portal at www.regulations.gov . The deadline for receiving comments is ­­Sept. 21, 2010. OFCCP enforces Executive Order 11246, Section 503 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, and the Vietnam Era Veterans' Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974, 38 U.S.C. 4212. These laws prohibit federal contractors and subcontractors from discriminating on the bases of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability and veteran status. They also require affirmative action in employment by federal contractors and subcontractors. ----- From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Mon Jul 26 15:28:37 2010 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:28:37 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed live with captioning Message-ID: urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed live with captioning FYI Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices P.C. 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 Denver, Colorado 80222 303 504-5979 (voice) 303 757-3640 (fax) slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) www.labarrelaw.com (website) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. ----- Original Message ----- From: White House Disability Group To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:55 AM Subject: urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed live with captioning Today’s ADA celebration, which begins at 5:30 Eastern time, will be streamed live at www.whitehouse.gov/live Please log in and share in the celebration. The live stream, barring any technical difficulties, will have available captioning either as picture in picture or another technical setup. ----- Unsubscribe The White House · 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW · Washington DC 20500 · 202-456-1111 From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Jul 26 20:18:41 2010 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:18:41 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] TSA Senior Policy Advisor vacancy announcement Message-ID: Link: http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=89250610&JobTitle=Senior+Policy+Advisor-SV-0301-J%2fK&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=Y&FedPub=Y&x=72&y=11&jbf574=HSBC&tm=3&AVSDM=2010-07-09+07%3a21%3a00 Text: Job Title: Senior Policy Advisor-SV-0301-J/K Department: Department Of Homeland Security Agency: Transportation Security Administration Sub Agency: DHS-Transportation Security Administration Job Announcement Number: HQ-OSC-10-256316 SALARY RANGE: $88,648.00 - $164,265.00 /year OPEN PERIOD: Friday, July 09, 2010 to Friday, July 30, 2010 SERIES & GRADE: SV-0301-J/K POSITION INFORMATION: Full Time Permanent PROMOTION POTENTIAL: K DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy(s) in one of the following locations: Arlington, VA WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: Open to all U.S. Citizens. For further information concerning U.S. Citizenship, please visit link: http://www.http://www.uscis.gov This position is located in Arlington, VA. The salary includes Locality Pay of 24.22%. The Transportation Security Administration is an Excepted Service agency. Basic Federal employee benefits remain the same as other Federal agencies. JOB SUMMARY: Securing Travel, Protecting People At the Transportation Security Administration, we serve in a high- stakes environment to safeguard the American way of life. In cities across the country, we secure airports, seaports, railroads, highways, and public transit systems. We protect our transportation infrastructure from terrorist attack and ensure freedom of movement for people and commerce. At TSA, we act swiftly and with integrity to: * Discover and stop emerging transportation security threats, utilizing state of the art technology * Educate and provide friendly customer service to travelers * Screen passengers and gather intelligence * Coordinate security involving aviation, rail, and other surface and maritime transportation * Oversee most transportation-related responsibilities of the federal government during a national emergency KEY REQUIREMENTS: Must possess U.S. Citizenship or be a U.S. National. Must complete a favorable Background Investigation (BI). Must pass Drug and Alcohol Screening and be subject to random drug tests. Additional Duty Location Info: Arlington, VA This position is located in the Office of Disability Policy and Outreach, Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Department of Homeland Security (DHS). If selected for this position, you will serve as a Senior Policy Advisor responsible for identifying and proposing solutions to complex problems where previous studies and established techniques require modification and adaptation. You will also conduct studies that impact programs, projects, or processes across functional and/or organizational lines. You may be tasked with communicating TSA's position on issues. Typical duties include: Creating and drafting final policy documents, such as management directives, guidance documents, policy statements, process and procedures documents, action memoranda and training materials. Handling complaints from the traveling public to include responding to customer inquiries, conducting fact-finding inquiries, drawing conclusions based on the facts, drafting thorough fact-finding reports, or reports of investigation relating to Disability Policy and Outreach. Reviewing and commenting on disability policy or procedure documents and training materials and packages submitted by other lines of business for review and comment. Developing, managing, and strengthening partnerships with community leaders from disability-related interest groups to facilitate mutual understanding and the exchange of information. Serving as a subject matter expert regarding pertinent disability and civil rights laws. Evaluating and implementing disability-related etiquette and accessibility. The major duties described above reflect the full performance level of this position. Typically, the lower pay band (Pay Band J) performs the same duties but will receive more guidance and training; and/or projects/work assignments may be less complex. QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED: To qualify for the SV-J Pay Band (equivalent to GS-14), you must have one year of specialized experience at the SV-I Pay Band or GS-13 in the Federal service or equivalent experience in the private sector. Specialized experience is experience that has equipped you with the particular knowledge, skills and abilities to successfully perform the duties of the position. Such experience includes evaluating and making recommendations concerning overall plans and proposals for highly complex projects; conducting comprehensive management studies; and interpreting disability and civil rights laws. To qualify for the SV-K Pay Band (equivalent to the GS-15), you must have one year of Specialized experience at the SV-J Pay Band or GS-14 level in the Federal service or equivalent experience in the private sector. Specialized experience is experience that has equipped you with the particular knowledge, skills and abilities to successfully perform the duties of the position. Such experience includes providing expert advice, guidance and instructions, to address diverse, complex issues; leading large project/program teams; defining and developing internal civil rights and disability policies and procedures; and preparing recommendations to change the way programs are carried out and implemented. KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS, ABILITIES AND CORE COMPETENCIES: The following KSAs/Competencies have been identified as critical for successful job performance. These KSAs/Competencies were used to develop the occupational assessment questions presented for your response. 1. Civil Rights, Civil Liberties and Disability Rights Laws and Regulations: Knowledge of laws, regulations, Executive Orders and policy statements to make recommendations for resolving related complaints. 2. Public Affairs: Develops communication plans to disseminate information concerning organizational matters affecting target audiences. 3. Partnering: Develops networks and builds alliances; collaborates across boundaries to build strategic relationships and achieve common goals. 4. Interpersonal Skills: Treats others with courtesy, sensitivity, and respect; considers and responds appropriately to the needs and feelings of different people in different situations. 5. Human Capital Management: Builds and manages workforce based on organizational goals, budget considerations and staffing needs; ensures that employees are appropriately recruited, selected, appraised and rewarded; takes action to address performance problems; manages a multi-sector blended workforce and a variety of work situations. 6. Oral Communication: Makes clear and convincing oral presentations; listens effectively; clarifies information as needed. 7. Written Communication: Writes in a clear, concise, organized, and convincing manner for the intended audience. You must meet the qualification requirements for this position no later than the closing date of the vacancy announcement. HOW YOU WILL BE EVALUATED: You will be evaluated on their total background including experience, education, awards, training, and self-development as it relates to the position. Report only attendance and/or degrees from schools accredited by accrediting institutions recognized by the U.S. Department of Education. Refer to the Office of Personnel Management and the U.S. Department of Education websites for more information at Office of Personnel Management link: http://www.opm.gov/qualifications Responses to the evaluation criteria may be ranked according to relative merit for this position and identified as being "qualified" or "best qualified." Selection for this position will be made only from among applicants possessing the best qualifications. To preview questions please click here link: https://jobs.mgsapps.monster.com/tsa/vacancy/previewVacancyQuestions.hms?orgId=1&jnum=28367 BENEFITS: The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program has many plans to choose from all at very reasonable rates, which can be paid from pre- tax income. The Federal Employees Retirement System is one of the premier retirement programs in the Nation. The program features three components: * a retirement pension; * the Thrift Savings Plan (an employee controlled investment program); * and social security. Federal Employee Group Life Insurance offers numerous life insurance policy options covering employees and dependents. The leave program offers exceptional time off benefits including annual leave, sick leave, family medical leave, and 10 paid holidays per year. You may be eligible for career development and enrichment training; family friendly policies; and Employee Assistance Programs. If you commute using public transportation, you may be eligible for a transit subsidy. OTHER INFORMATION: TSA employees who are absent for the purpose of performing military duty may apply for any vacancies announced in their absence. STATUS AND ELIGIBILITY TO APPLY FOR OTHER FEDERAL POSITIONS: TSA is an excepted service agency exempt from most of Title 5 United States Code; therefore, employment with TSA does not confer the "competitive status" that generally results from selection and service in competitive service agencies. Under the OPM-DHS Interchange Agreement, permanent employees who have at least one year of continuous service with TSA can apply and be considered for positions in other Federal agencies open to current/former Federal employees with competitive status. For more information please visit: www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/tsa_interchange_agreement.pdf VETERANS' PREFERENCE: For most external recruitment efforts, TSA provides preference to eligible veterans who were discharged or released from military service under honorable conditions. Eligibility requirements for Veterans' Preference are available in the Vets Info Guide available on the Office of Personnel Management's Web site at www.opm.gov. You must identify your claim for Veterans' Preference on your application and provide proof of your entitlement by submitting appropriate documentation such as a copy of your DD-214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty (Member 4 copy). If you are claiming a disability you must submit the appropriate documentation from the military service or a current letter of disability from Department of Veterans Affairs. If you are claiming 10-point preference you must also complete Standard Form SF-15, Application for 10-Point Veterans' Preference. SELECTIVE SERVICE: TSA policy requires verification of Selective Service registration for male applicants born after 12/31/59. Generally, male applicants who knowingly fail to register will be ineligible for employment with TSA. For more information on registering with the Selective Service, visit the Selective Service System Web site at www.sss.gov or contact them by telephone at 1-847-688-6888. EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY AND REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION: TSA is an Equal Opportunity Employer. All qualified candidates will be considered regardless of political affiliation, race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, age, disability, personal favoritism, protected genetic information, or other non-merit factors. TSA provides reasonable accommodation to applicants with disabilities where appropriate. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please contact the TSA Help Desk by phone at 1-877-872-7990 or by TTY at 1-877-872-7992. Determinations on requests for reasonable accommodation will be made on a case-by-case basis. PRIVACY ACT REQUIREMENTS: The forms referenced in this announcement are used to determine candidates' qualifications for the position and are authorized in 5 U.S.C. 3302 and 3361. PERMANENT CHANGE OF STATION: Current TSA employees will not be granted PCS if selected for this position in a location outside their current commuting area. Non-TSA employees are not entitled. RELOCATION: No relocation expenses will be authorized for this position. HOW TO APPLY: Applications will be accepted online until 11:59 p.m. (Eastern Time) on the closing date of this vacancy announcement. Please click the "Apply Online" button. There are three steps to the application process. You will be required to complete all steps to be considered for this position. PLEASE NOTE: Failure to submit the information outlined below will render your application ineligible for consideration for this position. Step #1: You MUST complete the online assessment, or the Employment Packet (paper), specifically generated for this position. To apply online, click the "Apply Online" button at the bottom of the screen. If you do not have access to a computer and you are unable to apply online, a paper application is permitted. Please contact the TSA HR Access Help Desk at 1-877-872-7990. An "Employment Packet" will be sent to you, which includes the vacancy announcement, the demographic questions, the core questions and the vacancy specific questions. The "Employment Packet" must be completed and submitted so that it will be received no later than the closing date (Eastern Time) of this vacancy announcement. Step #2: You MUST also submit a resume or other form of application. You have an option of completing a resume within this automated staffing system or submitting a resume that you have in another format or maintained in personal files. Please follow the process outlined at the end of the series of occupational assessment questions regarding submitting your resume or other application form. Step #3: This step must be followed if you are applying based upon current or former Federal government status, if you are claiming Veterans' Preference, if you are attempting to qualify for this position based upon education (if applicable), or if you are requesting consideration based upon a special appointing authority, you must submit the required documents with your application. Fax these documents to the fax number on the fax cover sheet provided for each separate document. Failure to include the required documents may make you ineligible for the position. For additional information about the TSA and employment, please visit link: http://www.tsa.gov/join/index.shtm REQUIRED DOCUMENTS: After completing the steps outlined above, the following documents are required supplements to the resume or application form, if applicable. If you are a current or former Federal government employee, you MUST submit a copy of your most recent or current SF-50, Notification of Personnel Action, or equivalent documentation that indicates the type of appointment, position and grade/pay band. Failure to provide this documentation will result in your application being treated as "External" (i.e., from an applicant who is outside the Federal service). If you are claiming tentative (TP) Veteran Preference, you MUST provide a copy of your DD-214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, or other proof of entitlement. If you are claiming Veterans' Preference based upon compensable disability, widow or spouse entitlement or Purple Heart receipt (CPS/CP/XP), you MUST submit a copy of your DD-214, an SF-15, Application for 10-Point Veterans' Preference, and the required proof (i.e., Department of Veterans Affairs letter dated 1991 or later),and the latest copy of report of separation from active duty (DD-214) to establish proof of honorable discharge). If you are attempting to qualify for this position based upon education, you must submit a copy of your transcript(s) from an accredited college or university (for each school attended) to establish qualifications based upon education. The on-line process and the submission of your application materials will be accepted online until 11:59 p.m. on the closing date of this vacancy announcement. AGENCY CONTACT INFO: HR Help Desk Phone: 877-872-7990 Fax: 571-258-4052 TDD: 877-872-7992 Email: Helpdesk at TSA-HRAccess.com Agency Information: DHS-Transportation Security Administration Shared Service Center 2650 Park Tower Drive Merrifield, VA 22180 Fax: 571-258-4052 WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT: After completion of the evaluation process, you will be notified by e-mail if you applied through the automated process or by letter if you completed an "Employment Packet." You may also check your application status online. Agency Information: DHS-Transportation Security Administration Shared Service Center 2650 Park Tower Drive Merrifield, VA 22180 Fax: 571-258-4052 Questions about this job: HR Help Desk Phone: 877-872-7990 Fax: 571-258-4052 TDD: 877-872-7992 Email: Helpdesk at TSA-HRAccess.com Job Announcement Number: HQ-OSC-10-256316 Control Number: 1965672 EEO Policy Statement | Reasonable Accommodation Policy Statement | Veterans Information | Legal and Regulatory Guidance From Susan.Kelly at pima.gov Mon Jul 26 21:21:10 2010 From: Susan.Kelly at pima.gov (Susan Kelly) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:21:10 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] JustWare computer case management system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D712A@EVS02.central.pima.gov> Has anyone used this program? The public defender and legal defender offices in our county are about to go live with it in a couple of months, even though rather pointed questioning by my direct supervisor made it clear that the program the county decided to purchase was not compatible with JAWS or WinZoom or Zoom Text. My supervisor is already planning additional things to do for me and a co-worker who needs DragonSpeak, but we would appreciate suggestions by anyone who has used this or a similarly in-accessible program...thanks! From bjsexton at comcast.net Mon Jul 26 20:59:31 2010 From: bjsexton at comcast.net (Bruce Sexton) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:59:31 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] CCTV Message-ID: <1DF88824B3224BF097D1CEE39792D26E@donna> Hello, I have a color CCTV with a 15 inch flat screen monitor that I would like to sell. It is approximately 5 years old and in like-new condition. It costs $8,000 new. I am willing to sell it for $1500 or best offer. It is a Smart View from Pulse Data International model number: SVCV 510. If you're interested please email me off list at: bjsexton at comcast.net . Thanks, Bruce Sexton, Jr. (B.J.) From jty727 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 00:29:34 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:29:34 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed live with captioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello! I was wondering if there was somewhere I could review the video from today's event? I ask becaus about half way through the President's speech I had massive technical difficulties. It made it unable for me to hear his talk. I loved what I was hearing and was disappointed when it refused to playing. thanks Justin On 7/26/10, Scott C. LaBarre wrote: > urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed live with > captioning FYI > Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. > > LaBarre Law Offices P.C. > 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 > Denver, Colorado 80222 > 303 504-5979 (voice) > 303 757-3640 (fax) > slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) > www.labarrelaw.com (website) > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged > information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, > copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in > error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, > and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments > are covered by the Electronic > Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: White House Disability Group > To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:55 AM > Subject: urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed > live with captioning > > > Today’s ADA celebration, which begins at 5:30 Eastern time, will be streamed > live at www.whitehouse.gov/live > > > > Please log in and share in the celebration. > > > > The live stream, barring any technical difficulties, will have available > captioning either as picture in picture or another technical setup. > > ----- > > Unsubscribe > > The White House · 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW · Washington DC 20500 · > 202-456-1111 > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 27 15:46:42 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:46:42 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market Message-ID: Hello, list. I would like legal advice concerning inaccessible touch-screen credit card terminals currently employed by my local supermarkets. I shop at two stores in southern Oregon which use these devices; their only gesture toward access is a telephone keypad with which to input a PIN. In speaking with the legal representative for C&K Market, the company which runs both these markets, he has told me that the ADA does not, in fact, cover these, since they are not a federal business and receive no federal money. Having no further option, I told him that I would research the issue, the laws for the state of Oregon, if any, concerning these touch-screen terminals and get back to him. Can someone point me in the right direction, if there is one, as to how I can get these touch-screens removed or supplemented with a credit card terminal accessible to a totally blind person? Thanks for any information you can provide. Have a great day! :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 15:54:53 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:54:53 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a touch screen terminal at King Super's. That's the local store here in CO. They used to have a touch pad that was accessible but now it's been replaced with a touch screen that is inaccessible. That, I say, is the wrong move. Beth On 7/27/10, Mark BurningHawk wrote: > Hello, list. > > I would like legal advice concerning inaccessible touch-screen credit > card terminals currently employed by my local supermarkets. I shop at > two stores in southern Oregon which use these devices; their only > gesture toward access is a telephone keypad with which to input a > PIN. In speaking with the legal representative for C&K Market, the > company which runs both these markets, he has told me that the ADA > does not, in fact, cover these, since they are not a federal business > and receive no federal money. Having no further option, I told him > that I would research the issue, the laws for the state of Oregon, if > any, concerning these touch-screen terminals and get back to him. Can > someone point me in the right direction, if there is one, as to how I > can get these touch-screens removed or supplemented with a credit card > terminal accessible to a totally blind person? > > Thanks for any information you can provide. Have a great day! :) > > Mark BurningHawk > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > Namaste! > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 16:09:32 2010 From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <741928.80390.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That happened here in at many places all over NY/NJ and elseware for some years. I guess since early 2006 or so. Good luck with that one especially using a debit card or something. --- On Tue, 7/27/10, Beth wrote: > From: Beth > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 11:54 AM > There is a touch screen terminal at > King Super's.  That's the local > store here in CO.  They used to have a touch pad that > was accessible > but now it's been replaced with a touch screen that is > inaccessible. > That, I say, is the wrong move. > Beth > > On 7/27/10, Mark BurningHawk > wrote: > > Hello, list. > > > > I would like legal advice concerning inaccessible > touch-screen credit > > card terminals currently employed by my local > supermarkets.  I shop at > > two stores in southern Oregon which use these devices; > their only > > gesture toward access is a telephone keypad with which > to input a > > PIN.  In speaking with the legal representative > for C&K Market, the > > company which runs both these markets, he has told me > that the ADA > > does not, in fact, cover these, since they are not a > federal business > > and receive no federal money.  Having no further > option, I told him > > that I would research the issue, the laws for the > state of Oregon, if > > any, concerning these touch-screen terminals and get > back to him.  Can > > someone point me in the right direction, if there is > one, as to how I > > can get these touch-screens removed or supplemented > with a credit card > > terminal accessible to a totally blind person? > > > > Thanks for any information you can provide.  Have > a great day! :) > > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969 > > Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > Namaste! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com > From craig.borne at dot.gov Tue Jul 27 16:38:20 2010 From: craig.borne at dot.gov (craig.borne at dot.gov) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:38:20 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Call back the legal representative and ask where he/she received a law degree; a refund may be in order. The ADA, Title III applies to places of public accommodation, such as supermarkets. The ADA has absolutely nothing to do with Federal funding or a Federal business -- whatever that even is. Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 is tied to Federal funding. Go to www.ada.gov for some good resources on Title III entities to combat legal reps who are clueless. Craig -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:47 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market Hello, list. I would like legal advice concerning inaccessible touch-screen credit card terminals currently employed by my local supermarkets. I shop at two stores in southern Oregon which use these devices; their only gesture toward access is a telephone keypad with which to input a PIN. In speaking with the legal representative for C&K Market, the company which runs both these markets, he has told me that the ADA does not, in fact, cover these, since they are not a federal business and receive no federal money. Having no further option, I told him that I would research the issue, the laws for the state of Oregon, if any, concerning these touch-screen terminals and get back to him. Can someone point me in the right direction, if there is one, as to how I can get these touch-screens removed or supplemented with a credit card terminal accessible to a totally blind person? Thanks for any information you can provide. Have a great day! :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/craig.borne%40 dot.gov From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 27 19:28:46 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:28:46 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: Craig: What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need to replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't feel that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need something concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the ADA's guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate their replacement. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Jul 27 21:02:59 2010 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:02:59 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Librarian of Congress Says Blind Have Right to Access E-books Message-ID: <033FDC836C8345F38723DE4709D24328@labarre> This is a major statement in the right direction. Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices P.C. 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 Denver, Colorado 80222 303 504-5979 (voice) 303 757-3640 (fax) slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) www.labarrelaw.com (website) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. ----- Original Message ----- From: Freeh, Jessica To: Alpidio Rolon ; Amy Buresh ; Angela Wolf ; Anil Lewis ; Art Schreiber ; Beth Rival ; Bill Packee ; Bob Kresmer ; Carl Jacobsen ; Cassandra McNabb ; Cathy Jackson ; Charlene Smyth ; Christine G. Hall ; Dan Hicks ; Daniel Burke ; Don Galloway ; Donna Wood ; Elsie Dickerson ; Frank Lee ; Franklin Shiner ; Fred Schroeder ; Gary Ray ; Gary Wunder ; J.W. Smith ; James Antonacci ; Jennelle Bichler ; Jennifer Dunnam ; Joe Ruffalo ; John Batron ; John Fritz ; Joyce Scanlan ; Ken Rollman ; Kevan Worley ; Kim Williams ; Larry Posont ; Lynn Majewski ; Mary Willows ; Matt Lyles ; Matt Lyles ; Melissa Riccobono ; Michael Barber ; Michael Freeman ; Mika Pyyhkala ; Nani Fife ; Pam Allen ; Parnell Diggs ; Patti Chang ; Rena Smith ; Richard Gaffney ; Ron Brown ; Ron Gardner ; Sam Gleese ; Scott LaBarre ; Selena Sundling-Crawford Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Librarian of Congress Says Blind Have Right to Access E-books FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Librarian of Congress Says Blind Have Right to Access E-books National Federation of the Blind Commends Copyright Ruling Baltimore, Maryland (July 27, 2010): The National Federation of the Blind, the oldest nationwide organization of blind Americans and the leading advocate for access to digital information by the blind, commented today on the renewal of a ruling from the Librarian of Congress that allows the circumvention of digital rights management (DRM) technology by blind people seeking equal access to e-books. The ruling states that one of the circumstances in which circumvention of technology that limits access to copyrighted works is not a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is: "literary works distributed in ebook format when all existing ebook editions of the work (including digital text editions made available by authorized entities) contain access controls that prevent the enabling either of the book's read-aloud function or of screen readers that render the text into a specialized format." Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "The National Federation of the Blind commends the Librarian of Congress for recognizing the right of blind Americans to obtain equal access to the information contained in digital books. It is the position of the National Federation of the Blind that blind people have the right to access content for which they have paid or which they have otherwise legally obtained, just like all other readers. We are pleased that the Librarian of Congress sees matters in the same way. The e-book industry, however, has largely failed to recognize our rights. The Amazon Kindle, Barnes and Noble Nook, Sony Reader, and other e-book reading devices and applications still remain inaccessible to us, and we have yet to see accessible e-book readers and content from those who have promised them. At this time, Apple products that can access the company's iBooks are the only mainstream e-book devices accessible to blind readers. The National Federation of the Blind will continue to use every means at our disposal to secure the right of blind Americans to access the same books at the same time and at the same price as all other consumers. We will stand for nothing less." ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Tue Jul 27 23:48:49 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:48:49 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] testing Message-ID: <034201cb2de6$42fdac00$400110ac@GPD945> Just sent this to see if the email is going through. I had sent another e-mail but didn't get nothing back so was wondering if I'm still on the list or not. Blaine From johnrsheehan at yahoo.com Wed Jul 28 00:33:54 2010 From: johnrsheehan at yahoo.com (johnrsheehan at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 00:33:54 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] testing In-Reply-To: <034201cb2de6$42fdac00$400110ac@GPD945> References: <034201cb2de6$42fdac00$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <1119799124-1280277261-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-695591724-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Received Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Blaine Deutscher Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:48:49 To: Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] testing Just sent this to see if the email is going through. I had sent another e-mail but didn't get nothing back so was wondering if I'm still on the list or not. Blaine _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 01:01:56 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:01:56 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: How could I combat the problem of my supermarket's credit/debit card terminals? Should I talk to the manager? THis sounds like something that I should bring to my chapter. Beth On 7/27/10, Mark BurningHawk wrote: > Craig: > > What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of > coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more > strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit > card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward > to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need > to replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't > feel that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need > something concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the > ADA's guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate > their replacement. > > Mark BurningHawk > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > Namaste! > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 28 01:18:38 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:18:38 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA with Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many ways is more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be covered by the ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of accessible system in place. Dave At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >Craig: > >What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need >to replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't >feel that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need >something concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the >ADA's guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate >their replacement. > >Mark BurningHawk >Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >Namaste! David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 01:43:17 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:43:17 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> So, should I tell him to look at section 508 and not 504? He claims all their legal people have researched it; if that's true, I have a hard time believing no one there knows the difference between section 504 and section 508. Thanks though; this is one valuable piece of knowledge I didn't have before. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From lmendez at twcny.rr.com Wed Jul 28 02:14:54 2010 From: lmendez at twcny.rr.com (L A Mendez) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:14:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <006201cb2dfa$ab6862d0$02392870$@rr.com> Since I lack specific information about your particular situation, I will limit my comments to very general considerations. The A.D.A. is the statute that will likely govern the situation that you are describing at the Federal level. State law may also provide some legal recourse. If you wish to press this matter as a legal advocacy issue, I would strongly recommend working with a legal advocate or advocacy organization that has experience with A.D.A. matters, or at least significant experience with civil rights advocacy generally. ----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:43 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market So, should I tell him to look at section 508 and not 504? He claims all their legal people have researched it; if that's true, I have a hard time believing no one there knows the difference between section 504 and section 508. Thanks though; this is one valuable piece of knowledge I didn't have before. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez%40twcny.rr .com From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 28 02:14:41 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:14:41 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Neither -- as I recall you are talking about a private store. It falls under the ADA. Section 504 is for recipients of federal money, and 508 concerns itself with federal purchases, websites etc. Dave At 08:43 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >So, should I tell him to look at section 508 and not 504? He claims >all their legal people have researched it; if that's true, I have a >hard time believing no one there knows the difference between section >504 and section 508. Thanks though; this is one valuable piece of >knowledge I didn't have before. > >Mark BurningHawk >Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >Namaste! David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 02:41:04 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:41:04 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <7F2E5750-93B5-4298-BF8E-FFEC0B95AA45@sbcglobal.net> Does the ADA clearly state that these touch-screen terminals are in violation? If so, could you point me to the legal text I could cite for this guy? He claims they did all the research, so I need to come back to him with concrete facts and citations and whatever all... Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 02:42:12 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:42:12 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <006201cb2dfa$ab6862d0$02392870$@rr.com> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> <006201cb2dfa$ab6862d0$02392870$@rr.com> Message-ID: <48B58FA7-71CC-4743-B054-1C3F63B16511@sbcglobal.net> Can you recommend one who might provide free or pro bono work in the SW Oregon area? Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 28 02:47:42 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:47:42 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <7F2E5750-93B5-4298-BF8E-FFEC0B95AA45@sbcglobal.net> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> <7F2E5750-93B5-4298-BF8E-FFEC0B95AA45@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I am not a lawyer, but probably not. The law generally isn't that specific, allowing for future change etc. The rules and regs may have more, but I don't remember. When the ADA was written touch screens as we know them, didn't even exist -- either did the world wide web. Dave At 09:41 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >Does the ADA clearly state that these touch-screen terminals are in >violation? If so, could you point me to the legal text I could cite >for this guy? He claims they did all the research, so I need to come >back to him with concrete facts and citations and whatever all... >Mark BurningHawk >Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >Namaste! > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From lmendez at twcny.rr.com Wed Jul 28 02:57:36 2010 From: lmendez at twcny.rr.com (L A Mendez) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:57:36 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction Message-ID: <006601cb2e00$a2920f70$e7b62e50$@rr.com> Since I have already responded to a post, I would like to formally introduce myself. I am Luis Mendez. I am a Senior Deputy County Attorney for Onondaga County, New York. I am responsible for the County's environmental legal work. Onondaga County is a diverse municipality with a highly developed urban area, extensive suburban development and large tracks of agricultural lands. My particular areas of expertees are in clean water and superfund litigation . I have also done some civil rights work, and spent my first seven years in practice as a Legal Services attorney. When I entered law school my intention was to become a legal advocate for people with disabilities. Although that did not come to pass, however, I have been fortunate to be able to devote personal time to the effort. From jty727 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 03:00:48 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:00:48 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction In-Reply-To: <006601cb2e00$a2920f70$e7b62e50$@rr.com> References: <006601cb2e00$a2920f70$e7b62e50$@rr.com> Message-ID: Welcome to the list! I live in Monroe County in New York. I've been to your county and great place. On 7/27/10, L A Mendez wrote: > Since I have already responded to a post, I would like to formally introduce > myself. I am Luis Mendez. I am a Senior Deputy County Attorney for Onondaga > County, New York. I am responsible for the County's environmental legal > work. Onondaga County is a diverse municipality with a highly developed > urban area, extensive suburban development and large tracks of agricultural > lands. My particular areas of expertees are in clean water and superfund > litigation . I have also done some civil rights work, and spent my first > seven years in practice as a Legal Services attorney. > > > > When I entered law school my intention was to become a legal advocate for > people with disabilities. Although that did not come to pass, however, I > have been fortunate to be able to devote personal time to the effort. > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 04:33:12 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:33:12 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> <7F2E5750-93B5-4298-BF8E-FFEC0B95AA45@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Right; I thought, however, that there was an amendment to the ADA recently, 2008 or 2009, covering electronic accessibility in public places. Maybe not. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com Wed Jul 28 11:28:59 2010 From: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com (ray wayne) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:28:59 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction In-Reply-To: <006601cb2e00$a2920f70$e7b62e50$@rr.com> References: <006601cb2e00$a2920f70$e7b62e50$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20100728112859.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com> Hi Luis. Welcome to the list. Ray Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "L A Mendez" To: "'Ationfbnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Date: Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 23:00:20 Subject: [bllaw] Introduction > > > Since I have already responded to a post, I would like to formally introduce > myself. I am Luis Mendez. I am a Senior Deputy County Attorney for Onondaga > County, New York. I am responsible for the County's environmental legal > work. Onondaga County is a diverse municipality with a highly developed > urban area, extensive suburban development and large tracks of agricultural > lands. My particular areas of expertees are in clean water and superfund > litigation . I have also done some civil rights work, and spent my first > seven years in practice as a Legal Services attorney. > > > > When I entered law school my intention was to become a legal advocate for > people with disabilities. Although that did not come to pass, however, I > have been fortunate to be able to devote personal time to the effort. > > _______________________________________________ > bllaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for bllaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.com From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Wed Jul 28 15:02:38 2010 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:02:38 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> Not being an attorney, but having an interest as do you, I would point out these things. Recently, there was a settlement with Target relating to their website, requiring accessibility. It was in the Ninth Circuit, so in your area. It is, of course, as far as I know, not precedent setting. A second citation would be the settlement with K Mart, putting accessible point of sale devices in their stores. Again, not a precedent, but indicative. As David pointed out, there have not been amendments to the ADA. In Oregon, I might talk to the folks at the Oregon Disabilities Commission, the Department of Labor Civil Rights Division, and for legal referrals, the Oregon Bar Association. If Bennett Prows is looking at this list, he may have some contacts in the Oregon Bar Association. Finally, I would say that if you are the only one complaining to the store about its terminals, you are easily ignored. If there is a group of people raising the issue, then they will realize that it is not just one malcontent causing problems. We all know how frustrating such situations are, and I do not minimize your problem. Remember Arlow Guthrie, who said that if you have fifty people a day... They may think it's a movement. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:19 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA with Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many ways is more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be covered by the ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of accessible system in place. Dave At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >Craig: > >What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need to >replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't feel >that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need something >concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the ADA's >guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate their >replacement. > >Mark BurningHawk >Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >Namaste! David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Wed Jul 28 15:04:40 2010 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:04:40 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C631@tiger> Beth, the chapter is a good place to start. I know that I did a lot of shopping at King Super when I lived there. So do most people there. Since it is probably not just a problem in your local store, you'll want to address it at a higher level. Kroeger itself may be the place to go. Talk to Brent and Scot. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:02 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market How could I combat the problem of my supermarket's credit/debit card terminals? Should I talk to the manager? THis sounds like something that I should bring to my chapter. Beth On 7/27/10, Mark BurningHawk wrote: > Craig: > > What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of > coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more > strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit > card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward > to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need > to replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't > feel that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need > something concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the > ADA's guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate > their replacement. > > Mark BurningHawk > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > Namaste! > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesislo > ose%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 17:39:51 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:39:51 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> Message-ID: Perhaps this is something that should be referred to the NFB affiliate in Oregon to be addressed on a statewide basis. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > Not being an attorney, but having an interest as do you, I would point out > these things. Recently, there was a settlement with Target relating to > their website, requiring accessibility. It was in the Ninth Circuit, so in > your area. It is, of course, as far as I know, not precedent setting. A > second citation would be the settlement with K Mart, putting accessible > point of sale devices in their stores. Again, not a precedent, but > indicative. As David pointed out, there have not been amendments to the > ADA. In Oregon, I might talk to the folks at the Oregon Disabilities > Commission, the Department of Labor Civil Rights Division, and for legal > referrals, the Oregon Bar Association. If Bennett Prows is looking at this > list, he may have some contacts in the Oregon Bar Association. > > Finally, I would say that if you are the only one complaining to the store > about its terminals, you are easily ignored. If there is a group of people > raising the issue, then they will realize that it is not just one > malcontent causing problems. We all know how frustrating such situations > are, and I do not minimize your problem. Remember Arlow Guthrie, who said > that if you have fifty people a day... They may think it's a movement. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of David Andrews > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:19 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > > It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA with > Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many ways is > more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be covered by the > ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of accessible system in > place. > > Dave > > At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >>Craig: >> >>What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >>coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >>strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >>card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >>to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need to >>replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't feel >>that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need something >>concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the ADA's >>guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate their >>replacement. >> >>Mark BurningHawk >>Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>Namaste! > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Wed Jul 28 18:20:15 2010 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:20:15 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C635@tiger> That also is good. The president there is Art Stevens in Salem. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:40 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market Perhaps this is something that should be referred to the NFB affiliate in Oregon to be addressed on a statewide basis. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > Not being an attorney, but having an interest as do you, I would point > out these things. Recently, there was a settlement with Target > relating to their website, requiring accessibility. It was in the > Ninth Circuit, so in your area. It is, of course, as far as I know, > not precedent setting. A second citation would be the settlement with > K Mart, putting accessible point of sale devices in their stores. > Again, not a precedent, but indicative. As David pointed out, there > have not been amendments to the ADA. In Oregon, I might talk to the > folks at the Oregon Disabilities Commission, the Department of Labor > Civil Rights Division, and for legal referrals, the Oregon Bar > Association. If Bennett Prows is looking at this list, he may have some contacts in the Oregon Bar Association. > > Finally, I would say that if you are the only one complaining to the > store about its terminals, you are easily ignored. If there is a group > of people raising the issue, then they will realize that it is not > just one malcontent causing problems. We all know how frustrating such > situations are, and I do not minimize your problem. Remember Arlow > Guthrie, who said that if you have fifty people a day... They may think it's a movement. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of David Andrews > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:19 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > > It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA > with Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many > ways is more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be > covered by the ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of > accessible system in place. > > Dave > > At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >>Craig: >> >>What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >>coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >>strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >>card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >>to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need >>to replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't >>feel that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need >>something concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the >>ADA's guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate >>their replacement. >> >>Mark BurningHawk >>Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>Namaste! > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%4 > 0wcbvi.k12.wi.us > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40s > bcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From t.l.cantrell at comcast.net Thu Jul 29 00:10:28 2010 From: t.l.cantrell at comcast.net (Tammy Cantrell) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:10:28 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> Message-ID: <910A31DE6D0348F1AAED91F1FBE16058@owner1b4ab732f> You might want to check out this site. http://lflegal.com/category/settlements/point-of-sale-settlements/ You might have to copy the link and paste it into your browser. (2) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > Not being an attorney, but having an interest as do you, I would point out > these things. Recently, there was a settlement with Target relating to > their website, requiring accessibility. It was in the Ninth Circuit, so in > your area. It is, of course, as far as I know, not precedent setting. A > second citation would be the settlement with K Mart, putting accessible > point of sale devices in their stores. Again, not a precedent, but > indicative. As David pointed out, there have not been amendments to the > ADA. In Oregon, I might talk to the folks at the Oregon Disabilities > Commission, the Department of Labor Civil Rights Division, and for legal > referrals, the Oregon Bar Association. If Bennett Prows is looking at this > list, he may have some contacts in the Oregon Bar Association. > > Finally, I would say that if you are the only one complaining to the store > about its terminals, you are easily ignored. If there is a group of people > raising the issue, then they will realize that it is not just one > malcontent causing problems. We all know how frustrating such situations > are, and I do not minimize your problem. Remember Arlow Guthrie, who said > that if you have fifty people a day... They may think it's a movement. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of David Andrews > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:19 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > > It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA with > Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many ways is > more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be covered by the > ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of accessible system in > place. > > Dave > > At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >>Craig: >> >>What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >>coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >>strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >>card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >>to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need to >>replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't feel >>that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need something >>concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the ADA's >>guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate their >>replacement. >> >>Mark BurningHawk >>Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>Namaste! > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/t.l.cantrell%40comcast.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 29 05:27:31 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:27:31 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <910A31DE6D0348F1AAED91F1FBE16058@owner1b4ab732f> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov><8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> <910A31DE6D0348F1AAED91F1FBE16058@owner1b4ab732f> Message-ID: <23A2430D2A054E6ABA3E85D92865A62A@spike> Yes, Lainey feingold has been involved in the negotiated settlements that have been used by ACB and the California Council of the Blind. Unfortunately as these are negotiated settlements they don't really set any legal precedents as they were negotiated without litigation. She prides herself on not having to go to court and litigate. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Cantrell" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > You might want to check out this site. > http://lflegal.com/category/settlements/point-of-sale-settlements/ > > You might have to copy the link and paste it into your browser. > > > > > (2) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > > >> Not being an attorney, but having an interest as do you, I would point >> out these things. Recently, there was a settlement with Target relating >> to their website, requiring accessibility. It was in the Ninth Circuit, >> so in your area. It is, of course, as far as I know, not precedent >> setting. A second citation would be the settlement with K Mart, putting >> accessible point of sale devices in their stores. Again, not a precedent, >> but indicative. As David pointed out, there have not been amendments to >> the ADA. In Oregon, I might talk to the folks at the Oregon Disabilities >> Commission, the Department of Labor Civil Rights Division, and for legal >> referrals, the Oregon Bar Association. If Bennett Prows is looking at >> this list, he may have some contacts in the Oregon Bar Association. >> >> Finally, I would say that if you are the only one complaining to the >> store about its terminals, you are easily ignored. If there is a group of >> people raising the issue, then they will realize that it is not just one >> malcontent causing problems. We all know how frustrating such situations >> are, and I do not minimize your problem. Remember Arlow Guthrie, who said >> that if you have fifty people a day... They may think it's a movement. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of David Andrews >> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:19 PM >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market >> >> It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA with >> Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many ways is >> more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be covered by >> the ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of accessible >> system in place. >> >> Dave >> >> At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >>>Craig: >>> >>>What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >>>coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >>>strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >>>card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >>>to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need to >>>replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't feel >>>that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need something >>>concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the ADA's >>>guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate their >>>replacement. >>> >>>Mark BurningHawk >>>Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>>Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>>Namaste! >> >> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/t.l.cantrell%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 29 15:44:37 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:44:37 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <23A2430D2A054E6ABA3E85D92865A62A@spike> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov><8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> <910A31DE6D0348F1AAED91F1FBE16058@owner1b4ab732f> <23A2430D2A054E6ABA3E85D92865A62A@spike> Message-ID: <225B10F6-F8BD-4DF0-9CBC-C58E6DD58D25@sbcglobal.net> For what it's worth, I have forwarded the factual information and this link to the legal rep at C&K Market. If ayone else wants to contact him, the man I'm in a dialog with now is at John.Christianson at cKmarket.com Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Jul 29 17:03:53 2010 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:03:53 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston Message-ID: From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:43 AM To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG Subject: FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston Job opening in Boston, MA. William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. 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From cathrynisfinally at verizon.net Fri Jul 30 02:29:57 2010 From: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net (Cathryn Bonnette) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:29:57 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F791C025FE348DFA3CFE21D3AC167F8@14bd0130080a469> Why is this on a job list for blind people when the requirements include a driver's license AND access to a car? -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:04 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:43 AM To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG Subject: FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston Job opening in Boston, MA. 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From rumpole at roadrunner.com Fri Jul 30 12:31:32 2010 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:31:32 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston References: <6F791C025FE348DFA3CFE21D3AC167F8@14bd0130080a469> Message-ID: <35E348C5DA564B32AD899755B468EFDF@none8a46117901> I would be careful to not "jump conclusions" here. I have worked for a protection and advocacy here in Maine since 2006 under very similar requirements. The accommodation that was offerred to me was an hourly contract for me to pay my own driver and reader for client visits, handwritten documentation, last-minute evidence at administrative hearings, sighted assistance around court houses that I have never been to before and transport to court hearings etc. Just because they don't post something that says "we offer reasonable accommodations" does not mean they won't do it when a visually disabled applicant comes along and qualifies for the job. I handle in excess of 110 cases a year and have been doing exactly what that job calls for - the only accommodation that was provided being the driver/reader contract at an hourly rate, and the P&A paid them, not me. If I were you, I'd focus more on the language that notes the weekend work and long hours. They aren't kidding. The work is long and you aren't paid what private practice lawyers get. But the work is rewarding. IF anyone wants to speak with me about working for a P&A, contact me off list: rumpole at roadrunner.com and I'd be happy to speak with them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathryn Bonnette" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston > Why is this on a job list for blind people when the requirements include a > driver's license AND access to a car? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:04 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law > Center-Boston > > > > From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) > [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:43 AM > To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG > Subject: FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston > > Job opening in Boston, MA. > > William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. > Special Projects and Technology Coordinator > Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law > American Bar Association > > phelanw at staff.abanet.org > www.abanet.org/disability > ________________________________ > From: Eve L Hill > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:23 PM > To: > Subject: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston > > Attached is a job opening at the Disability Law Center in Boston, in case > you know anyone who may be interested. > > Thanks > Eve > > Eve Hill, Esq. > Senior Vice President > Burton Blatt Institute > 1667 K St. NW > Suite 640 > Washington, DC 20006 > (202) 296-2044 > ehill at law.syr.edu > > This e-mail may contain confidential information that may also be legally > privileged and that is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named > above. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: 07/29/10 06:34:00 From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 12:49:50 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:49:50 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] question Message-ID: I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because they are blind? RJ From Susan.Kelly at pima.gov Fri Jul 30 14:38:38 2010 From: Susan.Kelly at pima.gov (Susan Kelly) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / delinquency matters. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] question I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because they are blind? RJ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 pima.gov From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Fri Jul 30 14:44:19 2010 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:44:19 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability LawCenter-Boston References: <6F791C025FE348DFA3CFE21D3AC167F8@14bd0130080a469> <35E348C5DA564B32AD899755B468EFDF@none8a46117901> Message-ID: <96C4C888A8F542B0953328A5CFFB5027@labarre> Incidentally, we brought this issue to their attention and they have already changed the job posting to state something like travel is required. I will forward the new posting once I find it. Regards, Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices P.C. 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 Denver, Colorado 80222 303 504-5979 (voice) 303 757-3640 (fax) slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) www.labarrelaw.com (website) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Doerr" To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability LawCenter-Boston >I would be careful to not "jump conclusions" here. > I have worked for a protection and advocacy here in Maine since 2006 under > very similar requirements. The accommodation that was offerred to me was > an hourly contract for me to pay my own driver and reader for client > visits, handwritten documentation, last-minute evidence at administrative > hearings, sighted assistance around court houses that I have never been to > before and transport to court hearings etc. > Just because they don't post something that says "we offer reasonable > accommodations" does not mean they won't do it when a visually disabled > applicant comes along and qualifies for the job. > I handle in excess of 110 cases a year and have been doing exactly what > that job calls for - the only accommodation that was provided being the > driver/reader contract at an hourly rate, and the P&A paid them, not me. > If I were you, I'd focus more on the language that notes the weekend work > and long hours. They aren't kidding. The work is long and you aren't paid > what private practice lawyers get. But the work is rewarding. > IF anyone wants to speak with me about working for a P&A, contact me off > list: > rumpole at roadrunner.com > and I'd be happy to speak with them. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cathryn Bonnette" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:29 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law > Center-Boston > > >> Why is this on a job list for blind people when the requirements include >> a >> driver's license AND access to a car? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel >> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:04 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law >> Center-Boston >> >> >> >> From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) >> [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William >> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:43 AM >> To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG >> Subject: FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston >> >> Job opening in Boston, MA. >> >> William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. >> Special Projects and Technology Coordinator >> Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law >> American Bar Association >> >> phelanw at staff.abanet.org >> www.abanet.org/disability >> ________________________________ >> From: Eve L Hill >> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:23 PM >> To: >> Subject: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston >> >> Attached is a job opening at the Disability Law Center in Boston, in case >> you know anyone who may be interested. >> >> Thanks >> Eve >> >> Eve Hill, Esq. >> Senior Vice President >> Burton Blatt Institute >> 1667 K St. NW >> Suite 640 >> Washington, DC 20006 >> (202) 296-2044 >> ehill at law.syr.edu >> >> This e-mail may contain confidential information that may also be legally >> privileged and that is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) >> named >> above. 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In the body of the message type "sign off >> cmpdl-3d." >> If you have any questions about 3D or the CMPDL in general, please >> contact >> William Phelan at phelanw at staff.abanet.org. >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3034 - Release Date: 07/29/10 >> 06:34:00 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: 07/29/10 > 06:34:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com > From johnrsheehan at yahoo.com Fri Jul 30 15:14:24 2010 From: johnrsheehan at yahoo.com (johnrsheehan at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:14:24 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> Message-ID: <811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst case tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Susan Kelly" Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / delinquency matters. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] question I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because they are blind? RJ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 pima.gov _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 30 15:39:39 2010 From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:39:39 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: References: <926270.31481.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c101cb2ffd$6c6ceba0$6601a8c0@server> Hello William, What is the site Linkedin? Thanks Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "William ODonnell" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: >I write the following warning to those who may have not been on the >linkedin website lately. > > Warning to linkedin users: > When logging in to your own personal accounts, you will be asked to enter > specific security codes after logging in. If you are blind or visually > impaired, the audio versions of the caption files are corrupted and do not > work. Good luck getting help from customer service. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 15:54:57 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:54:57 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: <811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> <811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a stupid decision I made. It was devastating. Beth On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: > Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst case > tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Susan Kelly" > Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > > Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not > necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / > delinquency matters. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur > Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] question > > I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because > they are blind? > RJ > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 > pima.gov > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 17:14:30 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:14:30 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] question References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov><811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason for declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list who could look into this! RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a > stupid decision I made. It was devastating. > Beth > > On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst case >> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Susan Kelly" >> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >> >> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >> delinquency matters. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: [blindlaw] question >> >> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >> they are blind? >> RJ >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >> pima.gov >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 22:33:24 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:33:24 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: <53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> <811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: If there is a Florida lawyer who can practice this kind of law who is willing to represent ablind person in court, please give me his/her contact info and if the NFB could possibly help. If there's even someone to represent mepro bono, it would be good as well. Beth On 7/30/10, RJ Sandefur wrote: > Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason for > declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list > who could look into this! RJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > > >>I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a >> stupid decision I made. It was devastating. >> Beth >> >> On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >>> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst case >>> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Susan Kelly" >>> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >>> >>> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >>> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >>> delinquency matters. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Subject: [blindlaw] question >>> >>> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >>> they are blind? >>> RJ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >>> pima.gov >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 22:41:26 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:41:26 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] question References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov><811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: I think you should give you're contact information so they know who to get a hold of you. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > If there is a Florida lawyer who can practice this kind of law who is > willing to represent ablind person in court, please give me his/her > contact info and if the NFB could possibly help. If there's even > someone to represent mepro bono, it would be good as well. > Beth > > On 7/30/10, RJ Sandefur wrote: >> Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason >> for >> declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list >> who could look into this! RJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >> >> >>>I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a >>> stupid decision I made. It was devastating. >>> Beth >>> >>> On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >>>> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst >>>> case >>>> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Susan Kelly" >>>> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >>>> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >>>> delinquency matters. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>>> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >>>> they are blind? >>>> RJ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >>>> pima.gov >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com > From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 30 23:47:14 2010 From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:47:14 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] question References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov><811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: <021401cb3041$89c13820$6601a8c0@server> Hello Beth, Can you fill me in on some of the details. The email posted to the list just says you were needing a lawyer to represent you. You said that you have been declared incompetent because you are blind and made a bad decision earlier. What bad decision did you make? Did this just happen and is that why you need the lawyer? Also, who is Metro Bono? If you can provide me a little more information, perhaps I can send you to someone in Florida who can help you. I'm a lawyer in California, so I cannot help you directly. I look forward to hearing from you. Best, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > If there is a Florida lawyer who can practice this kind of law who is > willing to represent ablind person in court, please give me his/her > contact info and if the NFB could possibly help. If there's even > someone to represent mepro bono, it would be good as well. > Beth > > On 7/30/10, RJ Sandefur wrote: >> Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason >> for >> declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list >> who could look into this! RJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >> >> >>>I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a >>> stupid decision I made. It was devastating. >>> Beth >>> >>> On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >>>> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst >>>> case >>>> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Susan Kelly" >>>> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >>>> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >>>> delinquency matters. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>>> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >>>> they are blind? >>>> RJ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >>>> pima.gov >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jul 31 03:50:54 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:50:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: In-Reply-To: <00c101cb2ffd$6c6ceba0$6601a8c0@server> References: <926270.31481.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c101cb2ffd$6c6ceba0$6601a8c0@server> Message-ID: Linked In is a social networking sight that is professionally oriented, finding business connections, filling jobs etc. Dave At 10:39 AM 7/30/2010, you wrote: >Hello William, >What is the site Linkedin? >Thanks >Dennis > >----- Original Message ----- From: "William ODonnell" > >To: ; >Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:10 PM >Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: > > >>I write the following warning to those who may have not been on the >>linkedin website lately. >> >>Warning to linkedin users: >>When logging in to your own personal accounts, you will be asked to >>enter specific security codes after logging in. If you are blind >>or visually impaired, the audio versions of the caption files are >>corrupted and do not work. Good luck getting help from customer service. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>blindlaw mailing list >>blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for blindlaw: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net >> > > >_______________________________________________ >blindlaw mailing list >blindlaw at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for blindlaw: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 5327 (20100730) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 31 04:51:34 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:51:34 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston In-Reply-To: <6F791C025FE348DFA3CFE21D3AC167F8@14bd0130080a469> References: <6F791C025FE348DFA3CFE21D3AC167F8@14bd0130080a469> Message-ID: usually job postings are created from boiler plate so they would waive the requirement as part of reasonable accommodation if they saw fit. I have raised the same question for many postings that do this but encourage blind people to apply. Recently a similar posting came out from an agency here in California that is a center for the blind and the issue was raised. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathryn Bonnette" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston > Why is this on a job list for blind people when the requirements include a > driver's license AND access to a car? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:04 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law > Center-Boston > > > > From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) > [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:43 AM > To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG > Subject: FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston > > Job opening in Boston, MA. > > William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. > Special Projects and Technology Coordinator > Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law > American Bar Association > > phelanw at staff.abanet.org > www.abanet.org/disability > ________________________________ > From: Eve L Hill > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:23 PM > To: > Subject: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston > > Attached is a job opening at the Disability Law Center in Boston, in case > you know anyone who may be interested. > > Thanks > Eve > > Eve Hill, Esq. > Senior Vice President > Burton Blatt Institute > 1667 K St. NW > Suite 640 > Washington, DC 20006 > (202) 296-2044 > ehill at law.syr.edu > > This e-mail may contain confidential information that may also be legally > privileged and that is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named > above. 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In the body of the message type "sign off > cmpdl-3d." > If you have any questions about 3D or the CMPDL in general, please contact > William Phelan at phelanw at staff.abanet.org. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3034 - Release Date: 07/29/10 > 06:34:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 31 05:15:43 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:15:43 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: In-Reply-To: <926270.31481.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <926270.31481.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Of course the alternatives to using the audio files are using Web Vizum or solona which work well and solve the problem. chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "William ODonnell" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: >I write the following warning to those who may have not been on the >linkedin website lately. > > Warning to linkedin users: > When logging in to your own personal accounts, you will be asked to enter > specific security codes after logging in. If you are blind or visually > impaired, the audio versions of the caption files are corrupted and do not > work. Good luck getting help from customer service. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 31 06:01:14 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:01:14 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73D96AF4BC8F40EA9520E782101B7CE0@spike> I doubt that it would hold up in any state. Incompetence refers generally to a person who is mentally ill or severely disabled enough where they are not comprehending or able to take care of their lives. In many states a person would have to be placed on conservatorship and there are specific requirements today regarding conservatorships such as the due process that is required for a potential conservatee to go through such as the appointment of an attornehy and a hearing. At least that is how it is here in California and it was pretty much the same when I lived in Michigan. chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:49 AM Subject: [blindlaw] question >I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because they >are blind? > RJ > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Jul 31 06:44:59 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:44:59 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: <73D96AF4BC8F40EA9520E782101B7CE0@spike> References: <73D96AF4BC8F40EA9520E782101B7CE0@spike> Message-ID: I don't know how Florida did it, but they declared me incompetent because I got involved with some old guy from a rehab center in Daytona Beach. I was seventeen and my parents said I was "obsessed" with various things including a young man in high school. Well, my parents prevented me from having real hobbies and fascinations. Because of this, I can't marry, can't live anywhere I want legally, and so on. Beth On 7/31/10, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote: > I doubt that it would hold up in any state. Incompetence refers generally to > a person who is mentally ill or severely disabled enough where they are not > comprehending or able to take care of their lives. In many states a person > would have to be placed on conservatorship and there are specific > requirements today regarding conservatorships such as the due process that > is required for a potential conservatee to go through such as the > appointment of an attornehy and a hearing. At least that is how it is here > in California and it was pretty much the same when I lived in Michigan. > chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:49 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] question > > >>I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because they >>are blind? >> RJ >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From tom at tomladis.com Sat Jul 31 16:34:09 2010 From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:34:09 -0000 Subject: [blindlaw] question References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov><811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: Have you consulted the ACLU or the NFB for their support? Tom Ladis ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason for > declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list > who could look into this! RJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > > >>I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a >> stupid decision I made. It was devastating. >> Beth >> >> On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >>> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst >>> case >>> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Susan Kelly" >>> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >>> >>> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >>> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >>> delinquency matters. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Subject: [blindlaw] question >>> >>> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >>> they are blind? >>> RJ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >>> pima.gov >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Jul 31 20:49:20 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:49:20 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> <811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: I'm not sure what the ACLU will do, but the NFB I'm looking into. That's another thought. Beth On 12/17/08, Tom Ladis wrote: > Have you consulted the ACLU or the NFB for their support? > > Tom Ladis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > > >> Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason for >> >> declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list >> who could look into this! RJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >> >> >>>I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a >>> stupid decision I made. It was devastating. >>> Beth >>> >>> On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >>>> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst >>>> case >>>> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Susan Kelly" >>>> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >>>> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >>>> delinquency matters. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>>> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >>>> they are blind? >>>> RJ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >>>> pima.gov >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From emrene at earthlink.net Thu Jul 1 19:21:09 2010 From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 12:21:09 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Canadian law study Message-ID: Hi, Graham, Major U.S. law firms have offices in other countries, and their associates have to know the law in those jurisdictions. I'd bet some of the major firms in Seattle have business in Canada, and might entertain your inquiries. I've lived in Seattle for a long time, and it's a great city. I wish I could get to BC more often. Best, Elizabeth From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Thu Jul 1 21:09:17 2010 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 15:09:17 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] NABL 2010 Annual Meeting Agenda Attached and in body Message-ID: AGENDA NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS 2010 ANNUAL MEETING --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, July 5, 2010 L'Entrecote Room, Atrium Lobby Hilton Anatole Hotel Dallas, Texas 12:30 p.m. REGISTRATION 1:00 p.m. WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS Scott C. LaBarre, President, NABL Denver, Colorado 1:05 p.m. RECENT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE LAW AFFECTING BLIND AMERICANS Scott C. LaBarre, LaBarre Law Offices; Denver, Colorado, Daniel F. Goldstein, Partner, Brown Goldstein and Levy, Baltimore, Maryland; Mehgan Sidhu, Associate, Brown Goldstein and Levy, Baltimore Maryland; Mary Anne Rojek, Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Jackson, Michigan 2:00 p.m. TEACHING AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS: A Practicing Attorney Learns and Uses Braille After Losing Sight Randal S. Farber, Partner, Jackson Walker, L.L.P., Houston Texas 2:25 p.m. PRACTICE TIPS FOR BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED ATTORNEYS: From Handling Exhibits to Handling Employees; An Interactive Presentation Patti Chang, Practicing Attorney for the City of Chicago; Board Member, NABL; Board Member, NFB; Chicago, Illinois, Parnell Diggs, Private Practitioner; Board Member, NABL; Board Member, NFB; Blind Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, Millie Ann Rivera-Rau, Attorney Advisor, Agency Oversight Division Office of Federal Operations Equal Employment Opportunity Commission; Board Member, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland, Ray Wayne, Supervising Attorney, New York City Commission on Human Rights; Secretary, NABL; New York, New York. 3:20 p.m. Break 3:30 p.m. THE LATEST FROM DOJ: PROTECTING THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES Mazen M. Basrawi, Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General Department of Justice Civil Rights Division 4:00 p.m. THE LATEST IN ACCESSIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS FOR BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED ATTORNEYS Ronza Othman, Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights; Board Member, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland 4:30 p.m. FROM THE DISABILITY RIGHTS BAR TO VOTING RIGHTS: A Comprehensive Presentation from the Burton Blatt Institute Eve L. Hill, Senior Vice President, the Burton Blatt Institute of Syracuse University, Washington, DC 5:00 p.m. ADJOURN 5:00 to 6:30 p.m. NABL RECEPTION (ticketed event) Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres as we celebrate the progress of our organization. Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys and legal professionals. Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. 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LaBarre" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: [blindlaw] NABL 2010 Annual Meeting Agenda Attached and in body AGENDA NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS 2010 ANNUAL MEETING --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, July 5, 2010 L'Entrecote Room, Atrium Lobby Hilton Anatole Hotel Dallas, Texas 12:30 p.m. REGISTRATION 1:00 p.m. WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS Scott C. LaBarre, President, NABL Denver, Colorado 1:05 p.m. RECENT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE LAW AFFECTING BLIND AMERICANS Scott C. LaBarre, LaBarre Law Offices; Denver, Colorado, Daniel F. Goldstein, Partner, Brown Goldstein and Levy, Baltimore, Maryland; Mehgan Sidhu, Associate, Brown Goldstein and Levy, Baltimore Maryland; Mary Anne Rojek, Licensed Clinical Social Worker, Jackson, Michigan 2:00 p.m. TEACHING AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS: A Practicing Attorney Learns and Uses Braille After Losing Sight Randal S. Farber, Partner, Jackson Walker, L.L.P., Houston Texas 2:25 p.m. PRACTICE TIPS FOR BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED ATTORNEYS: From Handling Exhibits to Handling Employees; An Interactive Presentation Patti Chang, Practicing Attorney for the City of Chicago; Board Member, NABL; Board Member, NFB; Chicago, Illinois, Parnell Diggs, Private Practitioner; Board Member, NABL; Board Member, NFB; Blind Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, Millie Ann Rivera-Rau, Attorney Advisor, Agency Oversight Division Office of Federal Operations Equal Employment Opportunity Commission; Board Member, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland, Ray Wayne, Supervising Attorney, New York City Commission on Human Rights; Secretary, NABL; New York, New York. 3:20 p.m. Break 3:30 p.m. THE LATEST FROM DOJ: PROTECTING THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES Mazen M. Basrawi, Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General Department of Justice Civil Rights Division 4:00 p.m. THE LATEST IN ACCESSIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS FOR BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED ATTORNEYS Ronza Othman, Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights; Board Member, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland 4:30 p.m. FROM THE DISABILITY RIGHTS BAR TO VOTING RIGHTS: A Comprehensive Presentation from the Burton Blatt Institute Eve L. Hill, Senior Vice President, the Burton Blatt Institute of Syracuse University, Washington, DC 5:00 p.m. ADJOURN 5:00 to 6:30 p.m. NABL RECEPTION (ticketed event) Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres as we celebrate the progress of our organization. Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys and legal professionals. Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. 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Best, -- Kathryn CARROLL BlueLaw International LLP 703-647-7508 Cell: 631-521-3018 From k7uij at panix.com Fri Jul 2 16:05:29 2010 From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 09:05:29 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act References: Message-ID: Just my opinion: I think that it could be argued before the proposed commission to set accessibility standards that such screens were covered. However, I could see the argument going either way. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Carroll" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act > Hi all, > > Would the technologies affected in the Technology Bill of Rights for the > Blind (H.R. 4533) include the touchscreens for media entertainment that > are > common on many planes used for long-distance and international flights? > > Best, > > -- > Kathryn CARROLL > BlueLaw International LLP > 703-647-7508 > Cell: 631-521-3018 > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Jul 2 16:06:35 2010 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:06:35 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: 6th Annual IMPACT Career Fair for Law Students/Attorneys with Disabilities Message-ID: From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Mary N. 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From b75205 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 18:05:07 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:05:07 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention Message-ID: I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to the Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the walk. It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue to rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. Also rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. James Pepper From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 17:30:54 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:30:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe it is included in it. If passed all features like the mentioned by you Katie is covered, but I have no idea if it is anywhere nearing passage and when a similar piece of legislation will be introduced in the Senate. Once passed in Senate it shall go to President Obama's desk where we all are confident it will be passed. On 7/2/10, Mike Freeman wrote: > Just my opinion: I think that it could be argued before the proposed > commission to set accessibility standards that such screens were covered. > However, I could see the argument going either way. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katy Carroll" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Cc: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:30 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act > > >> Hi all, >> >> Would the technologies affected in the Technology Bill of Rights for the >> Blind (H.R. 4533) include the touchscreens for media entertainment that >> are >> common on many planes used for long-distance and international flights? >> >> Best, >> >> -- >> Kathryn CARROLL >> BlueLaw International LLP >> 703-647-7508 >> Cell: 631-521-3018 >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From kc2992a at student.american.edu Fri Jul 2 18:31:51 2010 From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:31:51 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, I haven't heard about any movement concerning this bill; the thought occurred to me yesterday as I was flying in from abroad. Airlines seem notoriously slow to change regarding any related issue. Thanks for you responses. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Justin Young wrote: > I believe it is included in it. If passed all features like the > mentioned by you Katie is covered, but I have no idea if it is > anywhere nearing passage and when a similar piece of legislation will > be introduced in the Senate. Once passed in Senate it shall go to > President Obama's desk where we all are confident it will be passed. > > On 7/2/10, Mike Freeman wrote: > > Just my opinion: I think that it could be argued before the proposed > > commission to set accessibility standards that such screens were covered. > > However, I could see the argument going either way. > > > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Katy Carroll" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Cc: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:30 AM > > Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act > > > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Would the technologies affected in the Technology Bill of Rights for the > >> Blind (H.R. 4533) include the touchscreens for media entertainment that > >> are > >> common on many planes used for long-distance and international flights? > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> -- > >> Kathryn CARROLL > >> BlueLaw International LLP > >> 703-647-7508 > >> Cell: 631-521-3018 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blindlaw mailing list > >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu > -- Kathryn CARROLL BlueLaw International LLP 703-647-7508 Cell: 631-521-3018 From b75205 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 18:35:45 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:35:45 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The big problem here is that the idea of an accessible ebook is right now a myth because a lot of people promised that their new software would deliver accessibility in ebooks but in reality it is not here yet. To make an ebook today involves reformatting books into many different types of e-books and that is expensive. Oh sure they can set books to be text only but to make a true ebook with the text and images cooresponding on the page is actually a matter of sending the book to India where very cheap labor can slog through the book and set it properly to each type of e-book format. And lets face it, the publishers are not going to lay out a book for and ebook unless they can sell it. So we get books later than everyone else. When someone goes through the trouble of turning it into an e-book. Oh sure the big players can afford to make these things, well not so much anymore with the economy, but the hayday of accessible ebooks was last year. Right now everyone is on hold until this gets sorted out. And since we are talking about a dozen or so e-book formats, the publishers are all trying to figure out which ones are being used by which audience. And since this is all not standardized, the market has not shaken out yet, legislation is at a standstill. Adobe is pushing epub but most publishers would rather make books they can sell on devices other than adobe's ebook reader. That format seems to be the big thing in accessibility and it is already dying the way of the beta max for publishers. Decent product but people are fed up with having to jump through the hoops. We are not there yet. Despite all the promises. James Pepper On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Justin Young wrote: > I believe it is included in it. If passed all features like the > mentioned by you Katie is covered, but I have no idea if it is > anywhere nearing passage and when a similar piece of legislation will > be introduced in the Senate. Once passed in Senate it shall go to > President Obama's desk where we all are confident it will be passed. > > On 7/2/10, Mike Freeman wrote: > > Just my opinion: I think that it could be argued before the proposed > > commission to set accessibility standards that such screens were covered. > > However, I could see the argument going either way. > > > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Katy Carroll" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Cc: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:30 AM > > Subject: [blindlaw] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act > > > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Would the technologies affected in the Technology Bill of Rights for the > >> Blind (H.R. 4533) include the touchscreens for media entertainment that > >> are > >> common on many planes used for long-distance and international flights? > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> -- > >> Kathryn CARROLL > >> BlueLaw International LLP > >> 703-647-7508 > >> Cell: 631-521-3018 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blindlaw mailing list > >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From kc2992a at student.american.edu Fri Jul 2 18:39:45 2010 From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:39:45 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Fw: Service dog protection private members bill In-Reply-To: <04d101cb17cb$69d3a8b0$400110ac@GPD945> References: <04d101cb17cb$69d3a8b0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: Very interesting. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Blaine Deutscher wrote: > Hello there. I thought that I would send this to you and anyone who is > interested in reading this feel free. If you have any comments feel free to > write me off list at: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net > > Blaine Deutscher > University of Regina: Faculty of Arts-English > Phone: (cell) 306-531-7137 > (home) 306-543-5737 > e-mail: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net > deutschb at uregina.ca > www.uregina.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu > > -- Kathryn CARROLL BlueLaw International LLP 703-647-7508 Cell: 631-521-3018 From k7uij at panix.com Fri Jul 2 18:39:52 2010 From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:39:52 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention References: Message-ID: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> No walk this year. I'm already here. Mike Freeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" To: Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention >I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to the > Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the > walk. > It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue to > rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. > Also > rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. > > James Pepper > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com From b75205 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 18:54:37 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:54:37 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> References: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> Message-ID: If anyone has their family with them there is a big parade on Saturday Morning in Dallas, that's when everyone will be celebrating the 4th of July and this parade ends up in a park which is in University Park a few miles north of the Anatole and they have lemonade, bounce houses for kids and they hand out watermelon slices, sometimes they have ice cream, it is a nice family event. Thousands of people show up for the parade. Lots of horses in the parade and floats, boy scout troops the whole nine yards. It goes up Preston road and ends up at the University Park Town Hall at Goar Park. Highland Park Presbyterian Church is along the parade route towards the end. James On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: > No walk this year. I'm already here. > > Mike Freeman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention > > > I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >> the >> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >> walk. >> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue to >> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. Also >> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >> >> James Pepper >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From b75205 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 18:55:06 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:55:06 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> Message-ID: Oh and the fireworks will probably be both nights. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:54 PM, James Pepper wrote: > If anyone has their family with them there is a big parade on Saturday > Morning in Dallas, that's when everyone will be celebrating the 4th of July > and this parade ends up in a park which is in University Park a few miles > north of the Anatole and they have lemonade, bounce houses for kids and they > hand out watermelon slices, sometimes they have ice cream, it is a nice > family event. Thousands of people show up for the parade. Lots of horses in > the parade and floats, boy scout troops the whole nine yards. It goes up > Preston road and ends up at the University Park Town Hall at Goar Park. > Highland Park Presbyterian Church is along the parade route towards the > end. > > James > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: > >> No walk this year. I'm already here. >> >> Mike Freeman >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention >> >> >> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>> the >>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>> walk. >>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>> to >>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>> Also >>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>> >>> James Pepper >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > > From k7uij at panix.com Fri Jul 2 20:21:00 2010 From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:21:00 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention References: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> Message-ID: <13FD76628E1F492B8D765027D473DA32@owner1e06aeb63> What? NO bounce houses for us older kids? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention > If anyone has their family with them there is a big parade on Saturday > Morning in Dallas, that's when everyone will be celebrating the 4th of > July > and this parade ends up in a park which is in University Park a few miles > north of the Anatole and they have lemonade, bounce houses for kids and > they > hand out watermelon slices, sometimes they have ice cream, it is a nice > family event. Thousands of people show up for the parade. Lots of horses > in > the parade and floats, boy scout troops the whole nine yards. It goes up > Preston road and ends up at the University Park Town Hall at Goar Park. > Highland Park Presbyterian Church is along the parade route towards the > end. > > James > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: > >> No walk this year. I'm already here. >> >> Mike Freeman >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention >> >> >> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>> the >>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>> walk. >>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>> to >>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>> Also >>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>> >>> James Pepper >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 2 20:50:13 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:50:13 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Pet fee thing: a happy ending Message-ID: <95AD488C-826A-495F-B8CD-0BBCA6EF0C8A@sbcglobal.net> Hi, listers. Just thought you could use some good news. After a change of real estate agents, the owners/landlords waived the pet fee altogether with regard to Ezra the guide dog, and I'm actually mostly moved in there now. :) Happy Fourth, yall. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From b75205 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 20:59:50 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:59:50 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: <13FD76628E1F492B8D765027D473DA32@owner1e06aeb63> References: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> <13FD76628E1F492B8D765027D473DA32@owner1e06aeb63> Message-ID: No, they wont let you in on the pretense of getting your kid! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: > What? NO bounce houses for us older kids? > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention > > > > If anyone has their family with them there is a big parade on Saturday >> Morning in Dallas, that's when everyone will be celebrating the 4th of >> July >> and this parade ends up in a park which is in University Park a few miles >> north of the Anatole and they have lemonade, bounce houses for kids and >> they >> hand out watermelon slices, sometimes they have ice cream, it is a nice >> family event. Thousands of people show up for the parade. Lots of horses >> in >> the parade and floats, boy scout troops the whole nine yards. It goes up >> Preston road and ends up at the University Park Town Hall at Goar Park. >> Highland Park Presbyterian Church is along the parade route towards the >> end. >> >> James >> >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: >> >> No walk this year. I'm already here. >>> >>> Mike Freeman >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM >>> Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention >>> >>> >>> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>> >>>> the >>>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>>> walk. >>>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>>> to >>>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>>> Also >>>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>>> >>>> James Pepper >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 3 03:34:48 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 20:34:48 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Pet fee thing: a happy ending In-Reply-To: <95AD488C-826A-495F-B8CD-0BBCA6EF0C8A@sbcglobal.net> References: <95AD488C-826A-495F-B8CD-0BBCA6EF0C8A@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: congratulations! a nice way to celebrate the holiday. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark BurningHawk" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 1:50 PM Subject: [blindlaw] The Pet fee thing: a happy ending > Hi, listers. > > Just thought you could use some good news. After a change of real estate > agents, the owners/landlords waived the pet fee altogether with regard to > Ezra the guide dog, and I'm actually mostly moved in there now. :) > > Happy Fourth, yall. > > Mark BurningHawk > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > Namaste! > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Sat Jul 3 14:05:57 2010 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 08:05:57 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: [DRBA] Off Topic: Department of Justice Job Opportunities -- July 2, 2010 Message-ID: <9A24DCA5FBE742FEA03498457CBEEF69@labarre> Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices P.C. 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 Denver, Colorado 80222 303 504-5979 (voice) 303 757-3640 (fax) slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) www.labarrelaw.com (website) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eve L Hill To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: [DRBA] Off Topic: Department of Justice Job Opportunities -- July 2, 2010 Hi all Below are links to a number of openings at the Department of Justice. Please feel free to pass this on to anyone who may be interested. Thanks Eve From: Special Programs Vacancies [mailto:CRT.SpecProgVacancies at usdoj.gov] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:13 AM To: Petrie, Diane E (CRT) Subject: Department of Justice Job Opportunities -- July 2, 2010 The Civil Rights Division (Division) would like to thank each of you for participating in our efforts to increase outreach to lawyers interested in working for the Division. By agreeing to receive our attorney job announcements, you are helping to make sure we have the best lawyers we can find. 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Status Position Section Grade Salary Closing Date Chief Employment Litigation ES-00 $119,554 - $179,700 7/2/2010 Deputy Director Professional Development GS-15 $123,578 - $155,500 7/7/2010 Special Litigation Counsel Voting GS-15 $123,578 - $155,500 7/7/2010 Special Legal Counsel Disability Rights SL-00 $119,554 - $165,300 7/8/2010 Special Litigation Counsel Special Litigation GS-15 $123,578 - $155,500 7/12/2010 NEW Financial Management Specialist Administrative Management GS-12/13 $74,872 - $115,742 7/12/2010 NEW Legal Assistant (MPP) Housing and Civil Enforcement GS-8 $46,745 - $60,765 7/12/2010 NEW Legal Assistant (DEU) Housing and Civil Enforcement GS-8 $46,745 - $60,765 7/12/2010 NEW Program Manager (DEU) Professional Development GS-13/14 $89,033 - $136,771 7/15/2010 NEW Program Manager (MPP) Professional Development GS-13/14 $89,033 - $136,771 7/15/2010 NEW Special Litigation Counsel Employment Litigation GS-15 $123,758 - $155,500 7/16/2010 NEW Trial Attorney Disability Rights GS-12/13 $74,872 - $115,742 7/21/2010 In addition, please direct your law school and undergraduate contacts to the Division's new Volunteer Internship Opportunities page, http://www.justice.gov/crt/vol_intern_opps.php, for information on available internships for the fall 2010 term. REMINDER: The DRBA listserv is intended to facilitate open discussion and sharing of ideas. Members need to feel confident that their discussions will not be distributed beyond the group unnecessarily. PLEASE CONSULT WITH THE SENDER(S) BEFORE FORWARDING ANY LISTSERV DISCUSSIONS BEYOND THE DRBA GROUP. From b75205 at gmail.com Sat Jul 3 17:24:56 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 12:24:56 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: <3ED183F96C3E4134909F2687CB3AB58F@owner1e06aeb63> <13FD76628E1F492B8D765027D473DA32@owner1e06aeb63> Message-ID: The parade is monday. The bus system in dallas is on the sunday schedule on monday. Just found out they closed my local train station for repairs so I cant get down there until next week. James On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:59 PM, James Pepper wrote: > No, they wont let you in on the pretense of getting your kid! > > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: > >> What? NO bounce houses for us older kids? >> >> Mike >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention >> >> >> >> If anyone has their family with them there is a big parade on Saturday >>> Morning in Dallas, that's when everyone will be celebrating the 4th of >>> July >>> and this parade ends up in a park which is in University Park a few miles >>> north of the Anatole and they have lemonade, bounce houses for kids and >>> they >>> hand out watermelon slices, sometimes they have ice cream, it is a nice >>> family event. Thousands of people show up for the parade. Lots of horses >>> in >>> the parade and floats, boy scout troops the whole nine yards. It goes up >>> Preston road and ends up at the University Park Town Hall at Goar Park. >>> Highland Park Presbyterian Church is along the parade route towards the >>> end. >>> >>> James >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Mike Freeman wrote: >>> >>> No walk this year. I'm already here. >>>> >>>> Mike Freeman >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:05 AM >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention >>>> >>>> >>>> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>>> >>>>> the >>>>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>>>> walk. >>>>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>>>> to >>>>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>>>> Also >>>>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>>>> >>>>> James Pepper >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > > From jimi-law at dc.rr.com Sun Jul 4 01:01:48 2010 From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James Weisberg) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 18:01:48 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Pet fee thing: a happy ending In-Reply-To: <95AD488C-826A-495F-B8CD-0BBCA6EF0C8A@sbcglobal.net> References: <95AD488C-826A-495F-B8CD-0BBCA6EF0C8A@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <0D7548D635AB4FFC9F8EE30998D73DEB@Blind> They didn't have a choice if they were interested in not violating the law. Congrats. James, attorney at law -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 1:50 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] The Pet fee thing: a happy ending Hi, listers. Just thought you could use some good news. After a change of real estate agents, the owners/landlords waived the pet fee altogether with regard to Ezra the guide dog, and I'm actually mostly moved in there now. :) Happy Fourth, yall. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c om __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jul 4 01:18:45 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 20:18:45 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is no walk this year, kind of a virtual fund-raising activity. Dave At 01:05 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote: >I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to the >Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the walk. >It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue to >rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. Also >rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From b75205 at gmail.com Sun Jul 4 15:30:33 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 10:30:33 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Will it be possible for me to come in on Tuesday or Wednesday and register for that day? I cannot get down there on Sunday the bus does not run on Sundays and Monday is also going to be the Sunday Schedule. Next time the convention needs to be in a location that is accessible to mass transit! Also I was wondering if you all could help. There is a grocery store near me where a totally blind man has to walk up the sidewalk to get to the store and his guide dog is very good and helping him stop before he hits the trees. The trees and the hedge are low hanging and blocks his way so he has to guard his face as he goes down this walk, it is about 100 feet and half of it is covered in low limbs. I have asked that they trim it, even showed it to the manager and volunteered to cut it if they had a pruning saw but they have done nothing. This is in Dallas. The man is very independent and refuses to make a fuss but I think it is terrible that he has to go through this every day! James On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 8:18 PM, David Andrews wrote: > There is no walk this year, kind of a virtual fund-raising activity. > > Dave > > > At 01:05 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote: > >> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >> the >> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >> walk. >> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue to >> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >> Also >> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >> > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jul 4 18:31:23 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:31:23 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, you can register any day you go. Dave At 10:30 AM 7/4/2010, you wrote: >Will it be possible for me to come in on Tuesday or Wednesday and register >for that day? I cannot get down there on Sunday the bus does not run on >Sundays and Monday is also going to be the Sunday Schedule. David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 5 05:52:46 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 22:52:46 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86DACF60E4354361BFD8E63FFEC5C229@spike> He needs to file a compliant with the local city code enforcement as well as a compliant with the U.S. Department of Justice as the overhanging trees would constitute an ADA violation regarding accessibility. Details about filing a complaint and downloadable complaint forms are available at www.ada.gov. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention > Will it be possible for me to come in on Tuesday or Wednesday and register > for that day? I cannot get down there on Sunday the bus does not run on > Sundays and Monday is also going to be the Sunday Schedule. > > Next time the convention needs to be in a location that is accessible to > mass transit! > > Also I was wondering if you all could help. There is a grocery store near > me where a totally blind man has to walk up the sidewalk to get to the > store > and his guide dog is very good and helping him stop before he hits the > trees. The trees and the hedge are low hanging and blocks his way so he > has > to guard his face as he goes down this walk, it is about 100 feet and half > of it is covered in low limbs. > > I have asked that they trim it, even showed it to the manager and > volunteered to cut it if they had a pruning saw but they have done > nothing. > This is in Dallas. The man is very independent and refuses to make a fuss > but I think it is terrible that he has to go through this every day! > > James > On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 8:18 PM, David Andrews wrote: > >> There is no walk this year, kind of a virtual fund-raising activity. >> >> Dave >> >> >> At 01:05 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote: >> >>> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>> the >>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>> walk. >>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>> to >>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>> Also >>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>> >> >> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com >> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From b75205 at gmail.com Mon Jul 5 19:34:17 2010 From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 14:34:17 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: <86DACF60E4354361BFD8E63FFEC5C229@spike> References: <86DACF60E4354361BFD8E63FFEC5C229@spike> Message-ID: Well it just is a big problem, the grocery store says its the apartment complexes problem because it is their trees but the apartment complex says its on their land and they trim them back in the past without asking, its their problem. I have volunteered to go out there and do it but I do not have a branch cutter. This would take an hour tops. Just a big bunch of "it's not my problem" type of thing. James On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:52 AM, wrote: > He needs to file a compliant with the local city code enforcement as well > as a compliant with the U.S. Department of Justice as the overhanging trees > would constitute an ADA violation regarding accessibility. Details about > filing a complaint and downloadable complaint forms are available at > www.ada.gov. > Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention > > > Will it be possible for me to come in on Tuesday or Wednesday and >> register >> for that day? I cannot get down there on Sunday the bus does not run on >> Sundays and Monday is also going to be the Sunday Schedule. >> >> Next time the convention needs to be in a location that is accessible to >> mass transit! >> >> Also I was wondering if you all could help. There is a grocery store near >> me where a totally blind man has to walk up the sidewalk to get to the >> store >> and his guide dog is very good and helping him stop before he hits the >> trees. The trees and the hedge are low hanging and blocks his way so he >> has >> to guard his face as he goes down this walk, it is about 100 feet and half >> of it is covered in low limbs. >> >> I have asked that they trim it, even showed it to the manager and >> volunteered to cut it if they had a pruning saw but they have done >> nothing. >> This is in Dallas. The man is very independent and refuses to make a fuss >> but I think it is terrible that he has to go through this every day! >> >> James >> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 8:18 PM, David Andrews wrote: >> >> There is no walk this year, kind of a virtual fund-raising activity. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> At 01:05 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote: >>> >>> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>>> the >>>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>>> walk. >>>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably continue >>>> to >>>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>>> Also >>>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>>> >>>> >>> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com >>> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com > From graham.hardy at gmail.com Mon Jul 5 20:29:07 2010 From: graham.hardy at gmail.com (Graham Hardy) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:29:07 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Canadian law study In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCC81955F3A488F9DAFD0A4CFBC5AEC@Desktop> Thanks, Elizabeth, for suggesting law firms in Seattle. After doing a bit more research I've discovered that it's very rare for first-year law students to find positions in law firms at all. Do you know if U.S. law firms might be interested in someone like me, or if I might be burning my bridges by trying to make contact with them too early? Graham -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene Sent: Thursday 1 July 2010 12:21 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Canadian law study Hi, Graham, Major U.S. law firms have offices in other countries, and their associates have to know the law in those jurisdictions. I'd bet some of the major firms in Seattle have business in Canada, and might entertain your inquiries. I've lived in Seattle for a long time, and it's a great city. I wish I could get to BC more often. Best, Elizabeth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/graham.hardy%40gma il.com From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 5 20:49:53 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:49:53 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] The Convention In-Reply-To: References: <86DACF60E4354361BFD8E63FFEC5C229@spike> Message-ID: <5AC8FA86EB054FD98AFC5DF77845CD99@spike> If it is on the apartment complex's land then the complaint needs to be filed against the apartment complex. Again, contact your city's building code enforcement division. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention > Well it just is a big problem, the grocery store says its the apartment > complexes problem because it is their trees but the apartment complex says > its on their land and they trim them back in the past without asking, its > their problem. I have volunteered to go out there and do it but I do not > have a branch cutter. This would take an hour tops. > > Just a big bunch of "it's not my problem" type of thing. > > James > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:52 AM, wrote: > >> He needs to file a compliant with the local city code enforcement as well >> as a compliant with the U.S. Department of Justice as the overhanging >> trees >> would constitute an ADA violation regarding accessibility. Details about >> filing a complaint and downloadable complaint forms are available at >> www.ada.gov. >> Chuck >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:30 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] The Convention >> >> >> Will it be possible for me to come in on Tuesday or Wednesday and >>> register >>> for that day? I cannot get down there on Sunday the bus does not run on >>> Sundays and Monday is also going to be the Sunday Schedule. >>> >>> Next time the convention needs to be in a location that is accessible to >>> mass transit! >>> >>> Also I was wondering if you all could help. There is a grocery store >>> near >>> me where a totally blind man has to walk up the sidewalk to get to the >>> store >>> and his guide dog is very good and helping him stop before he hits the >>> trees. The trees and the hedge are low hanging and blocks his way so he >>> has >>> to guard his face as he goes down this walk, it is about 100 feet and >>> half >>> of it is covered in low limbs. >>> >>> I have asked that they trim it, even showed it to the manager and >>> volunteered to cut it if they had a pruning saw but they have done >>> nothing. >>> This is in Dallas. The man is very independent and refuses to make a >>> fuss >>> but I think it is terrible that he has to go through this every day! >>> >>> James >>> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 8:18 PM, David Andrews wrote: >>> >>> There is no walk this year, kind of a virtual fund-raising activity. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> At 01:05 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote: >>>> >>>> I live in Dallas. Who is going to be there, because I can come down to >>>>> the >>>>> Anatole and meet you all in the hotel. Are you going to be doing the >>>>> walk. >>>>> It has been raining for the past two days and it will probably >>>>> continue >>>>> to >>>>> rain all through the weekend as this is the effects of the Hurricane. >>>>> Also >>>>> rain seems to start here and travel up to the east coast. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com >>>> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b75205%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From emrene at earthlink.net Tue Jul 6 18:14:35 2010 From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 11:14:35 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] RE Canadian Law Study Message-ID: <25BA471C80A140B1B33F5FA5066C3EFE@elizabethrene> Hi, Graham, Your chances of clerking with any law firm will depend on how well you do gradewise. They will be looking for people near the top of their class, with proven research and writing skills. You may be right about it being harder to get a job as a first year student, but firms do hire summer clerks, from the pool of students with the credentials listed above. If these clerks do well, they get invited back for the next summer, and possibly hired on full time after graduation. If you are just entering law school this fall, though, the most important thing to be doing now will be to get used to law school, which is very different from college, and to concentrate on doing well there. Law study is very challenging, for sighted students as well as for blind ones, because it involves a whole new way of thinking and learning, and interacting with peers and professors. The workload is heavy, the pressure is intense, and There's an acculturation that takes place that deserves the effort needed to get used to it. A major life task of the first year law student is to find out whether he or she can thrive in that environment, or at least cope with it. Worrying too much about finding a premium clerkship during the first summer could add pressure you don't really need. Once you have at least your first semester grades, then you'll be in a better position from which to approach summer employers. Even if you're not so happy with your first semester grades (my own weren't that hot that first semester), you can still find summer work in the public sector, or as a volunteer. Then too, if your university offers law school courses during the summer, one of these might lighten your workload for the second year or help you catch up on the first. Your law school might offer the chance for first year students to take a summer legal clinic for credit, which would combine classwork with hands-on experience. This could be a great chance to boost your confidence as a student by using what you've learned to help real people solve their legal problems, and by affirming for yourself that being a lawyer is what you really want to do. Your grades will very likely improve quite a bit once you've found your feet in law school. Then you can try again for a clerkship during the summer between your second and third year. Good luck. Elizabeth From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Wed Jul 7 00:19:53 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:19:53 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association Message-ID: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> Hello there. I hear that there is a Blind lawyers association that people can join when they become lawyers? Is it for American lawyers or any lawyer that has a law degree in both Canada and the United states. How is the convention coming? I want to listen into the stream tomorrow annd pick up the blind Lawyers speakers. Have a great day. Blaine From jimi-law at dc.rr.com Wed Jul 7 00:58:14 2010 From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James Weisberg) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:58:14 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> If it's the same blind lawyer's association I contacted they were not the kind of individuals I would choose to associate with. I spoke with the president of one and they were all about the money for dues, period. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:20 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association Hello there. I hear that there is a Blind lawyers association that people can join when they become lawyers? Is it for American lawyers or any lawyer that has a law degree in both Canada and the United states. How is the convention coming? I want to listen into the stream tomorrow annd pick up the blind Lawyers speakers. Have a great day. Blaine _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c om __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Wed Jul 7 02:25:49 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:25:49 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> Message-ID: <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> wow! I know that someone mentioned it and they are going to be at the NFB convention so thought that I would ask about it. What do these dues cover? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisberg" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association If it's the same blind lawyer's association I contacted they were not the kind of individuals I would choose to associate with. I spoke with the president of one and they were all about the money for dues, period. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:20 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association Hello there. I hear that there is a Blind lawyers association that people can join when they become lawyers? Is it for American lawyers or any lawyer that has a law degree in both Canada and the United states. How is the convention coming? I want to listen into the stream tomorrow annd pick up the blind Lawyers speakers. Have a great day. Blaine _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c om __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.m.deutscher%40sasktel.net From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Wed Jul 7 03:35:59 2010 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:35:59 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945><259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> Blaine, me thinks you are already on the Blind Lawyers mailing list. If memory serves, isn't this list for the National Association of Blind Lawyers? It is an NFB affiliate assuming I am right. Although I hang out on this list to learn about various aspects of law, I do not consider myself a member of the NABL. I am not certain there is another blind lawyers association, but it might not be a bad idea to find a way to see if one can be formed; I'd contend that one that is NON AFFILIATED with any of the blindness organizations would be great. Hopefully I've not gotten myself into more trouble than I can chew! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Wed Jul 7 04:10:14 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 22:10:14 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> <27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> Message-ID: <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> yes I was speaking about the NABL. I did not know that it was an affiliate of the NFB chapters. As a member of the NABL and have paid your dues do you have certain privileges--functions that you gather, golf outings, stuff like that? I'm a huge golf fan, or sports fan of any kind. I love communicating with people who share the same interest as me, golfing, drinking coffee, shooting the breeze, walking my dog, stuff like that. I'm andoutdoor type of person, camping, hiking, swimming or boating in the lake, and what not. I also love nice things so as a student right now nice things is not something that I can have, unless I build it myself--oak coffee tables, dressers, night tables, ... Have a great day. Blaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association Blaine, me thinks you are already on the Blind Lawyers mailing list. If memory serves, isn't this list for the National Association of Blind Lawyers? It is an NFB affiliate assuming I am right. Although I hang out on this list to learn about various aspects of law, I do not consider myself a member of the NABL. I am not certain there is another blind lawyers association, but it might not be a bad idea to find a way to see if one can be formed; I'd contend that one that is NON AFFILIATED with any of the blindness organizations would be great. Hopefully I've not gotten myself into more trouble than I can chew! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.m.deutscher%40sasktel.net From jimi-law at dc.rr.com Wed Jul 7 05:18:53 2010 From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James Weisberg) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:18:53 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945><259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <4E84009570DC42358BAA05928BEB8795@Blind> I was so turned off after speaking with the prez I didn't care! He certainly didn't have any interest in selling me on the association though. Reminded me of all those attorneys I cannot stand working with (I'm a litigator)! -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:26 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association wow! I know that someone mentioned it and they are going to be at the NFB convention so thought that I would ask about it. What do these dues cover? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisberg" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association If it's the same blind lawyer's association I contacted they were not the kind of individuals I would choose to associate with. I spoke with the president of one and they were all about the money for dues, period. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:20 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association Hello there. I hear that there is a Blind lawyers association that people can join when they become lawyers? Is it for American lawyers or any lawyer that has a law degree in both Canada and the United states. How is the convention coming? I want to listen into the stream tomorrow annd pick up the blind Lawyers speakers. Have a great day. Blaine _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c om __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.m.deutscher%40sa sktel.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c om __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5173 (20100604) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 7 05:34:01 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:34:01 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> <27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: The NABL is primarily not a social group -- that is its intents are not social, golf etc. It is a Division of the National Federation of the Blind, NFB. Dave At 11:10 PM 7/6/2010, you wrote: >yes I was speaking about the NABL. I did not know that it was an affiliate >of the NFB chapters. As a member of the NABL and have paid your dues do you >have certain privileges--functions that you gather, golf outings, stuff like >that? I'm a huge golf fan, or sports fan of any kind. I love communicating >with people who share the same interest as me, golfing, drinking coffee, >shooting the breeze, walking my dog, stuff like that. I'm andoutdoor type of >person, camping, hiking, swimming or boating in the lake, and what not. I >also love nice things so as a student right now nice things is not >something that I can have, unless I build it myself--oak coffee tables, >dressers, night tables, ... > >Have a great day. David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:32 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 00:34:32 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> <27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <02c501cb1d9e$75f57550$400110ac@GPD945> so what do you do if you are a member there? discuss legal issues in the states and Canada? Just wondering what the point of this group is to be a member if they don't do any social gatherings? Blaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association The NABL is primarily not a social group -- that is its intents are not social, golf etc. It is a Division of the National Federation of the Blind, NFB. Dave At 11:10 PM 7/6/2010, you wrote: >yes I was speaking about the NABL. I did not know that it was an affiliate >of the NFB chapters. As a member of the NABL and have paid your dues do you >have certain privileges--functions that you gather, golf outings, stuff >like >that? I'm a huge golf fan, or sports fan of any kind. I love communicating >with people who share the same interest as me, golfing, drinking coffee, >shooting the breeze, walking my dog, stuff like that. I'm andoutdoor type >of >person, camping, hiking, swimming or boating in the lake, and what not. I >also love nice things so as a student right now nice things is not >something that I can have, unless I build it myself--oak coffee tables, >dressers, night tables, ... > >Have a great day. David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.m.deutscher%40sasktel.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 8 00:00:06 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:00:06 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> Message-ID: <5A15F292718044A7ABE0842BBF40C5AB@spike> The National Association of Blind Lawyers is an affiliate of NFB. It is open to lawyers and others working in the legal field. There is another organization something to the effect of american Association of visually impaired Lawyers and when I went to their web site at one point it did not seem as friendly and inviting to me as a paralegal. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Weisberg" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association > If it's the same blind lawyer's association I contacted they were not the > kind of individuals I would choose to associate with. I spoke with the > president of one and they were all about the money for dues, period. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Blaine Deutscher > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:20 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association > > Hello there. > > I hear that there is a Blind lawyers association that people can join when > they become lawyers? Is it for American lawyers or any lawyer that has a > law > > degree in both Canada and the United states. How is the convention coming? > I > > want to listen into the stream tomorrow annd pick up the blind Lawyers > speakers. Have a great day. > > Blaine > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jimi-law%40dc.rr.c > om > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 5173 (20100604) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 5173 (20100604) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 5173 (20100604) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From dandrews at visi.com Thu Jul 8 05:28:18 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 00:28:18 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <02c501cb1d9e$75f57550$400110ac@GPD945> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945> <259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind> <01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945> <27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> <02c501cb1d9e$75f57550$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: I didn't say they don't do any -- I just said it isn't primarily a social entity;. Also, members are from around the u.s. so members are not in same place that often. As a division of the National Federation of the Blind, the National Association of Blind Lawyers has its annual meeting at NFB's convention -- this past Monday in Dallas, texas. The agenda was posted to this list last week. After words, they did have a reception for members. Dave At 01:34 AM 7/7/2010, you wrote: >so what do you do if you are a member there? discuss legal issues in the >states and Canada? Just wondering what the point of this group is to be a >member if they don't do any social gatherings? >Blaine David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 8 05:37:58 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 22:37:58 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association In-Reply-To: <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> References: <003101cb1d6a$1f45ad30$400110ac@GPD945><259D4E350708403CA81949926FCD8C44@Blind><01ca01cb1d7b$b6cdbab0$400110ac@GPD945><27645E093CCB4EBB805F76ED36151DED@valtd> <023e01cb1d8a$4d33bdc0$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: The NABL focuses its activities on providing support and training for blind lawyers and legal professionals. It is a division of the NFB and is involved in activities and training at the National convention and sponsors other seminars and training throughout the year. As an outdoor enthusiast you might check out the recreation and sports division of the NFB. Although I'm not sure if there is an equivalent in Canada. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" To: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association > yes I was speaking about the NABL. I did not know that it was an affiliate > of the NFB chapters. As a member of the NABL and have paid your dues do > you > have certain privileges--functions that you gather, golf outings, stuff > like > that? I'm a huge golf fan, or sports fan of any kind. I love communicating > with people who share the same interest as me, golfing, drinking coffee, > shooting the breeze, walking my dog, stuff like that. I'm andoutdoor type > of > person, camping, hiking, swimming or boating in the lake, and what not. I > also love nice things so as a student right now nice things is not > something that I can have, unless I build it myself--oak coffee tables, > dressers, night tables, ... > > Have a great day. > > Blaine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Lawyers association > > > Blaine, me thinks you are already on the Blind Lawyers mailing list. If > memory serves, isn't this list for the National Association of Blind > Lawyers? It is an NFB affiliate assuming I am right. > > Although I hang out on this list to learn about various aspects of law, I > do > not consider myself a member of the NABL. I am not certain there is > another > blind lawyers association, but it might not be a bad idea to find a way to > see if one can be formed; I'd contend that one that is NON AFFILIATED with > any of the blindness organizations would be great. Hopefully I've not > gotten myself into more trouble than I can chew! > > Sincerely, > Olusegun > Denver, Colorado > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.m.deutscher%40sasktel.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Fri Jul 9 00:28:09 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:28:09 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Owner approved: Chat line for blind people Message-ID: <00a201cb1efd$9ba28670$400110ac@GPD945> Hello there. I spoke with Dave and got his permission to post this to the list. I just wanted to let people out there know that there is a conference line for blind people. The number is 1-724-444-3592. I'm in room three and what I'm looking for is if there are any lawyers that would like to come together and chat about careers, answer questions that people may have about legal issues that don't require a lot of information. I'm looking at questions like if I have a guide dog and am refused do you know of any law firms in (alabama) that I could go to. the instructions to get in are: 1. dile the number (1-724-444-3592) 2. Press one when you hear welcome to TalkShop and you will enter the main menu 3. when you hit the main menu press two for private rooms then you will hear enter a room number up to ten digets followed by the pound key. 4. press three then pound and I will be there. If you want to move around the line you can move up and down by zero (down a room) and pound (Up a room). Hope to see you on here. Blaine From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 9 03:57:01 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 20:57:01 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Owner approved: Chat line for blind people In-Reply-To: <00a201cb1efd$9ba28670$400110ac@GPD945> References: <00a201cb1efd$9ba28670$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <6F598ED921414015958B669181EEFADC@spike> not a real effective use of time management as a professional. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" To: Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:28 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Owner approved: Chat line for blind people > Hello there. > > I spoke with Dave and got his permission to post this to the list. I just > wanted to let people out there know that there is a conference line for > blind people. The number is 1-724-444-3592. I'm in room three and what I'm > looking for is if there are any lawyers that would like to come together > and > chat about careers, answer questions that people may have about legal > issues > that don't require a lot of information. I'm looking at questions like if > I > have a guide dog and am refused do you know of any law firms in (alabama) > that I could go to. the instructions to get in are: > 1. dile the number (1-724-444-3592) > 2. Press one when you hear welcome to TalkShop and you will enter the main > menu > 3. when you hit the main menu press two for private rooms then you will > hear > enter a room number up to ten digets followed by the pound key. > 4. press three then pound and I will be there. If you want to move around > the line you can move up and down by zero (down a room) and pound (Up a > room). > > Hope to see you on here. > > Blaine > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From jsorozco at gmail.com Sat Jul 10 00:05:23 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 20:05:23 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Serving on Juries Message-ID: <1D3431979CD547FD8E10C16FFDF1415A@Rufus> Hello, I may very well be one of the few people who would find serving on a jury an awesome experience. I was summoned to serve on a grand jury here in DC, and I wonder if I should expect any difficulties on account of my being blind? Does it depend on the judge, the attorneys or the cases? Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks.--Joe Orozco "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing From k7uij at panix.com Sat Jul 10 05:20:16 2010 From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 22:20:16 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Serving on Juries References: <1D3431979CD547FD8E10C16FFDF1415A@Rufus> Message-ID: <8A9F4DDFC55147FBB2D210093C3A9D8C@owner1e06aeb63> Joe: To a certain extent, it does depend upon the judges and attorneys. And, at least in Washington state, any attorney is allowed two peremptory challenges during the voie dire process so one might get booted from a potential jury without being able to question the reason. However, in the one case on whose jury I served, I was not challenged during the voie dire and the only questions from the defense attorney were whether I had handled firearms (it was a reckless endangerment case) and was mildly surprised when I said that I had. Other than that, I had no trouble. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Serving on Juries > Hello, > > I may very well be one of the few people who would find serving on a jury > an > awesome experience. I was summoned to serve on a grand jury here in DC, > and > I wonder if I should expect any difficulties on account of my being blind? > Does it depend on the judge, the attorneys or the cases? Any tips would > be > appreciated. Thanks.--Joe Orozco > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com From emrene at earthlink.net Sat Jul 10 22:52:44 2010 From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:52:44 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Grand jury service Message-ID: <9C2BDE2B29B645A6822DF127FAB1836E@elizabethrene> Joe, I served as an assistant prosecuting attorney, at trial and on appeal, for nine years. Here is my perspective. if you are summoned to serve on a grand jury, you will be asked to determine whether someone should be indicted for a felony offense. The question will be whether there exists enough evidence to bring that person to trial on the charges proposed by the prosecution. Like Mike, I'm from Washington, and we don't use grand juries here. So I don't know, or remember, whether there will be a voire dire examination to seat you on the grand jury panel. I doubt, though, that your blindness will be a factor, since your job would be to assess the sufficiency of the evidence needed to support a charge, rather than to determine the guilt or innocence of the accused. The evidence would probably be presented in a different way than at trial, and different standards of proof would apply. If the grand jury voted to indict, the evidence could be further developed for presentation at trial. So even the kinds of evidence that might make some less informed lawyers nervous about having a blind juror seated for trial--traffic accident reconstruction evidence, say, or the nonverbal cues as to a witness's credibility that never make it into the record, might not even be put before a grand jury. Either way, the Constitutional right of the accused person to be tried by a jury of his or her peers, and the duty of the prosecution to bear its burden of proof, would be paramount to the court. Lawyers have a duty to present their evidence in ways that allow each juror to understand it and to weigh its significance. But, in selecting a jury panel, they also get to assure themselves that each juror will have the capacity to receive the evidence, to remember it, and to evaluate it in deciding the issues in question. We blind citizens have a duty to serve on a jury if called to do so, but we don't have an enforceable right to be there. Nobody does. So, as obnoxious and demeaning as it is to be the subject of questions about our abilities to serve as jurors, I think it's in our best interest as blind citizens to present ourselves in court in ways that effectively communicate our competence, and to not allow under our skin questions and conduct from lawyers whose jobs require them to defend interests conflicting with our own. On the other hand, though, if I am ever accused of a crime, and go to trial, I hope that my lawyer will demand, as a matter of my Constitutional right to a jury of my peers, that the panel seated to decide my guilt or innocence include some blind people. Elizabeth From bspiry at comcast.net Mon Jul 12 01:38:49 2010 From: bspiry at comcast.net (Bill Spiry) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:38:49 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Grand jury service In-Reply-To: <9C2BDE2B29B645A6822DF127FAB1836E@elizabethrene> References: <9C2BDE2B29B645A6822DF127FAB1836E@elizabethrene> Message-ID: <001001cb2162$fb8f1140$f2ad33c0$@net> Elizabeth Your explanation of balancing the tension between the interests of the representing attorneies and their clients vs. the interests and dignity of potential jurors with disabilities is concise and well done. Thanks. Bil Bill spiry Juris Doctor candidate 2012 University of Oregon School of Law -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:53 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Grand jury service Joe, I served as an assistant prosecuting attorney, at trial and on appeal, for nine years. Here is my perspective. if you are summoned to serve on a grand jury, you will be asked to determine whether someone should be indicted for a felony offense. The question will be whether there exists enough evidence to bring that person to trial on the charges proposed by the prosecution. Like Mike, I'm from Washington, and we don't use grand juries here. So I don't know, or remember, whether there will be a voire dire examination to seat you on the grand jury panel. I doubt, though, that your blindness will be a factor, since your job would be to assess the sufficiency of the evidence needed to support a charge, rather than to determine the guilt or innocence of the accused. The evidence would probably be presented in a different way than at trial, and different standards of proof would apply. If the grand jury voted to indict, the evidence could be further developed for presentation at trial. So even the kinds of evidence that might make some less informed lawyers nervous about having a blind juror seated for trial--traffic accident reconstruction evidence, say, or the nonverbal cues as to a witness's credibility that never make it into the record, might not even be put before a grand jury. Either way, the Constitutional right of the accused person to be tried by a jury of his or her peers, and the duty of the prosecution to bear its burden of proof, would be paramount to the court. Lawyers have a duty to present their evidence in ways that allow each juror to understand it and to weigh its significance. But, in selecting a jury panel, they also get to assure themselves that each juror will have the capacity to receive the evidence, to remember it, and to evaluate it in deciding the issues in question. We blind citizens have a duty to serve on a jury if called to do so, but we don't have an enforceable right to be there. Nobody does. So, as obnoxious and demeaning as it is to be the subject of questions about our abilities to serve as jurors, I think it's in our best interest as blind citizens to present ourselves in court in ways that effectively communicate our competence, and to not allow under our skin questions and conduct from lawyers whose jobs require them to defend interests conflicting with our own. On the other hand, though, if I am ever accused of a crime, and go to trial, I hope that my lawyer will demand, as a matter of my Constitutional right to a jury of my peers, that the panel seated to decide my guilt or innocence include some blind people. 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Name: image004.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 368 bytes Desc: image004.jpg URL: From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Jul 12 20:28:34 2010 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:28:34 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] DOJ and DOE: E-readers Must Be Accessible, Library Journal, July 1 2010 Message-ID: Link: http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/community/academiclibraries/885596-265/doj_and_doe_ereaders_must.html.csp Text: DOJ and DOE: E-readers Must Be Accessible By David Rapp July 1, 2010 The U.S. Departments of Justice (DOJ) and Education (DOE), in a letter released Tuesday, reinforced their firm stance against universities using e-readers that cannot be used by the blind. The departments jointly released an open "Dear Colleague" letter, directed at colleges and universities, advising them against using e-readers that are "not accessible to students who are blind or have low vision," and calling their use "unacceptable." "With technological advances, procuring electronic book readers that are accessible should be neither costly nor difficult," the departments stated. Past settlements This pointed reiteration of the departments' position mentions recent settlements the DOJ made with five academic institutions. As LJ reported in January, four schools-Arizona State University (ASU), Tempe; Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland; Pace University, New York City; and Reed College, Portland, OR-agreed not to use any e-readers, including Amazon's Kindle DX, until they are rendered fully accessible for blind students. Princeton University, NJ, reached a similar agreement with the DOJ in March. (The settlements can be seen on the Americans with Disabilities Act website.) The five schools, along with the Darden School of Business at the University of Virginia, Charlottesville, had been part of a pilot project last year for students to deploy Kindle DXs to help determine the role of e-readers in an academic setting. However, in July 2009, ASU was sued by the National Federation of the Blind and the American Council of the Blind, who charged that the Kindle DX, though it did have a text-to-speech function, had an interface that made it impossible for blind people to use. Accessible options Apple's iPad, as well as its iPod Touch and iPhone devices, offer the capacity to be fully accessible to the blind. A technology called VoiceOver describes out loud whatever is under the user's finger on the touch-screen. But the iPad is currently more expensive than other e-readers. Princeton has also reported an ongoing problem with iPads on its campus, due to a software bug which has led to network difficulties. The Kindle, however, may soon find its way back to universities. In December 2009, Amazon announced that it aimed to add more accessibility features to the Kindle, including audible menus. The latest iteration of the Kindle, due to be released next week, has larger font options, but time will tell if more features will follow. From tom at tomladis.com Mon Jul 12 22:48:20 2010 From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:48:20 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support References: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1><7BDC17BBA47C498092CB7780D10E1811@LawOfficePC><26DF25C22D2743008FCE6CA89C81EF8E@TMLDELLLAPTOP1><039f01caf4b5$af28e030$6601a8c0@server><6539E4A36B6140989C419787B8560DC7@TMLDELLLAPTOP1> <006501cb158f$2d5f7b90$6601a8c0@server> Message-ID: Hi Dennis, I completed the test on June 13, and got a 139. Considering what I went through to get through the test and that I could not do the logic games section or take notes, I am proud of what I did. For the next short while I will go through the process and try to make it better. I feel like I am contributing to the blind community just doing that. I plan to take the test again. Equip For Equality is working with Kaplan to make the LSAT prep course accessible. Once they have things et up, I will take the prep class again. Then I will register with LSAC to take the test under a completely new set of accommodations based on what I learned by taking it in June. I have to hand it to anyone who is blind and has made it through the test. The accommodations at Kaplan and from the LSAC were essentially unfair and probably illegal or not in sync with the spirit of ADA law. What are you working on lately (if you can share that info)? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support Hello Tom, I was just cleaning my inbox and ran across your message. How is the Kaplan review going for you and are, or have you already taken the LSAT this month? Drop me a note when you have time and let me know how all is going for you. Also if I can help in some way let me know. All the best, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support Hello Dennis and All, Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting issues due to table conversion issues. I have also not done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of these issues with Kaplan. At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get into many schools, but probably a good first attempt. I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being administered on a computer starting this year. If that is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that will put everyone into the same ball park. They are still going to provide my test in a printed format along with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen reader application. She reported that people did not like the computer format because it did not allow them to do their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how Kaplan trains test takers. More later as I try to get another practice exam or three done before the actual test. Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the question text that got jumbled during conversion, and appreciate your offer of support. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support Hello Tom, I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for about 20 years now since I graduated from law school and I have had some success over the years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to convert the PDF's that Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you can do with Open Book. The files are too large to be sent as email attachments but if we can talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file transfer service that I use. I would also like to talk with you about the legal problems raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course. Over the years I have taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was accessible, but my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA. However, the ADA has been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they get their act together and provide complete course accessibility. Please give me a call if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am located in California, but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I look forward to talking with you. Warmest regards, Dennis Clark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very difficult to work with to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email instead of human interaction. They are not willing to give much information over the phone, and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter in PDF files for me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see them add some more check boxes to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations advisors to people who are blind. Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended Kaplan, but it appears that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText and when you need to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files all seem to have formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke with Freedom Scientific about the problem and their conclusion is that the files are not formatted to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF files using OpenBook and saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of junk in the file because of their multi column structure and the books being for the Premier classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to keep up with a class when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded in the test is a problem. It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just trying to level the playing field for blind people who are already in or trying to get into the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the playing field leveled and attorney fees paid are welcome. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support Hi Tom, I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much less accessible, as the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped around the screen at random. In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC. Kaplan had nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo last September and again last December. One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day. I prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able to read only 14 or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of time. To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to help me study, my options were limited. I don't what the implications are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention. If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills at this level. They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for them to meet with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit for the task. After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No, not at this time." I have since learned that two of my acquaintances in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology. I would not go so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me that the playing field is far from level. I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way, and I wish you the best of luck on test day! Regards, Derek Wilson www.twitter.com/culturemate http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis wrote: > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has > started > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to get me the PDF files > just > 3 days before the class started. My fault for starting late and I have > not > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me > the materials in a JAWS friendly format. I was finally able to get > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest > solution > either. > > Thanks for your thoughts, > Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support > > > Tom > > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan > has > demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying > with > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a > constructive dialog with them. > > > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl > Philadelphia, PA 19111 > Tel: (215) 305-8085 > Fax: (215) 525-0999 > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > This message and/or its attachment(s) is being sent by a lawyer and may > contain privileged and confidential information and may be protected by > attorney client and work product privileges. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, > reading, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. > > If you have received this communication in error, notify Attorney > Alcidonis > at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com, and permanently delete > this message from your system. This communication is covered by the > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. § 2510-2521. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Tom Ladis" > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support > >> Hello All. >> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in >> a digital format. They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS. >> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not usable. Kaplan has not been able >> to provide anything besides the PDF files. >> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word >> document? >> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe >> for the practice tests? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonislaw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dwilson.lists%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com From tom at tomladis.com Tue Jul 13 17:57:13 2010 From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:57:13 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Inaccessible Canon Printer Scanner Applications Message-ID: Hello all. I recently purchased a new Canon Printer Scanner Copier unit from Best Buy. Most of the applications that come with the unit are not accessible to JAWS. For the sake of furthering accessibility for blind people (and helping me), is anyone interested in starting a conversation with Canon regarding their hardware and software applications, and their discrimination against blind people? Since Canon is so big, their compliance would make a huge difference for blind people and a statement for software and hardware developers. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3013 - Release Date: 07/18/10 18:35:00 _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 22 19:16:52 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:16:52 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] FCC seeks comments on accessible mobile phone options for blind and deaf blind Message-ID: DA 10-1324 Released: July 19, 2010 Wireless Telecommunications Bureau And Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau Seek Comment on Accessible Mobile Phone Options for People who are Blind, Deaf-blind, or Have Low Vision Comment Date: September 13, 2010 Reply Comment Date: September 30, 2010 On May 13, 2010, the Wireless Telecommunications Bureau and the Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau held a workshop on "Expanding Disability Access with Wireless Technologies" (Wireless Access Workshop) to learn more about mobile communications issues facing people with disabilities and the ways in which new technologies can offer opportunities to meet the communications access needs of this community. Participants included stakeholders from the disability community, industry, academia, and non-profit organizations. On June 15, 2010, the Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau met with twelve members of the deaf-blind community, along with representatives of the Helen Keller National Center and the American Association of the Deaf-Blind.1 The purpose of this meeting was to discuss telecommunications and Internet barriers experienced by this population. Based on the input that Commission staff received during these events, along with the record developed in conjunction with the National Broadband Plan,2 we are concerned that people who are blind or have other vision disabilities have few accessible and affordable wireless phone options.3 More specifically, according to statements made at the workshop, the vast majority of mobile telephones are not accessible to this population without the addition of expensive software. We are also concerned that many wireless technologies may not be compatible with Braille displays needed by individuals who are deaf-blind. In addition, according to the participants of the June 15th meeting, many specialized technologies needed to enable wireless telecommunications access for the deaf-blind community are cost prohibitive and difficult to find. In order to be fully informed on the issues raised by consumers and determine appropriate next steps to achieve telecommunications access for these populations, we seek input from all stakeholders on the following: (1) The wireless phone features and functions in the current marketplace that are not accessible for people who are blind, have vision loss, or are deaf-blind and the extent to which gaps in accessibility are preventing wireless communication access by these populations; (2) The cost and feasibility of technical solutions to achieve wireless accessibility for these populations; (3) Reasons why there are not a greater number of wireless phones - particularly among less expensive or moderately-priced handset models - that are accessible to people who are blind or have vision loss; (4) Technical obstacles, if any, to making wireless technologies compatible with Braille displays, as well as the cost and feasibility of technical solutions to achieve other forms of compatibility with wireless products and services for people who are deaf-blind; (5) Recommendations on the most effective and efficient technical and policy solutions for addressing the needs of consumers with vision disabilities, including those who are deaf-blind. (6) Recommendations on actions that our bureaus or the Commission should take to address the current lack of access. For example, is additional guidance needed on specific access features that should be included in wireless products? Should we facilitate a dialogue among stakeholders in order to reach a specific agreement to address the accessibility concerns outlined above? Pursuant to sections 1.415 and 1.419 of the Commission's rules, interested parties may file comments on or before September 13, 2010 and reply comments on or before September 30, 2010. Comments may be filed using: (1) the Commission's Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS), (2) the Federal Government's eRulemaking Portal, or (3) by filing paper copies. See Electronic Filing of Documents in Rulemaking Proceedings, 63 FR 24121 (1998). * Electronic Filers: Comments may be filed electronically using the Internet by accessing the ECFS: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/. Filers should follow the instructions provided on the website for submitting comments. * Paper Filers: Parties who choose to file by paper must file an original and four copies of each filing. If more than one docket or rulemaking number appears in the caption of this proceeding, filers must submit two additional copies for each additional docket or rulemaking number. * Filings can be sent by hand or messenger delivery, by commercial overnight courier, or by first-class or overnight U.S. Postal Service mail (although we continue to experience delays in receiving U.S. Postal Service mail). All filings must be addressed to the Commission's Secretary, Office of the Secretary, Federal Communications Commission. * The Commission's contractor will receive hand-delivered or messenger-delivered paper filings for the Commission's Secretary at 236 Massachusetts Avenue, NE, Suite 110, Washington, DC 20002. The filing hours at this location are 8:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. All hand deliveries must be held together with rubber bands or fasteners. Any envelopes must be disposed of before entering the building. * Commercial overnight mail (other than U.S. Postal Service Express Mail and Priority Mail) must be sent to 9300 East Hampton Drive, Capitol Heights, MD 20743. * U.S. Postal Service first-class, Express, and Priority mail must be addressed to 445 12th Street, SW, Washington DC 20554. A copy of this document and any subsequently filed documents in this matter will be available during regular business hours at the FCC Reference Center, Portals II, 445 12th Street, SW, Room CY-A257, Washington, DC 20554, (202) 418-0270. This document and any subsequently filed documents in this matter may also be purchased from the Commission's duplicating contractor at their website, www.bcpiweb.com, or by calling 1-800-378-3160. A copy of the submission may also be found by searching on the Commission's Electronic Comment Filing System (ECFS) at http://www.fcc.gov.cgb/ecfs. To request materials in accessible formats for people with disabilities (Braille, large print, electronic files, audio format), send an e-mail to fcc504 at fcc.gov or call the Consumer & Governmental Affairs Bureau at (202) 418-0530 (voice), (202) 418-0432 (TTY). FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Elizabeth Lyle, Wireless Telecommunications Bureau, (202) 418-1776; TTY (202) 418-1169 or email at Elizabeth.Lyle at fcc.gov. -FCC- 1 Meeting summary available at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7020511584. 2 See, e.g., American Association of the Deaf-Blind Comments in re: NBP PN#4 (Comment Sought on Broadband Accessibility for People with Disabilities Workshop II: Barriers, Opportunities, and Policy Recommendations - NBP Public Notice #4, GN Docket Nos. 09-47, 09-51, 09-137, Public Notice 24 FCC Rcd 11968 (CGB 2009), filed Oct. 6, 2009, at 1-2. 3 See e.g., Comments of Paul Schroeder, American Foundation for the Blind, "Expanding Disability Access with Wireless Technologies," (May 13, 2010), (Wireless Access Workshop), http://reboot.fcc.gov/video-archives. ?? ?? ?? ?? PUBLIC NOTICE --------------------------------------------------------- From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 22 20:13:04 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:13:04 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Department of Labor seeks input to strenghten disability regulations Message-ID: News Release U.S. Department of Labor For Immediate Release Office of Public Affairs July 22, 2010 Washington, D.C. Contact: Jesse Lawder Michael Volpe Release Number: 10-1015-NAT Phone: 202-693-4659 202-693-3984 US Labor Department seeks public input to strengthen disability regulations WASHINGTON - The U.S. Department of Labor's Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs is seeking input from the public on ways to strengthen its regulations requiring federal contractors to take affirmative action to employ and advance in employment qualified individuals with disabilities. In an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking to be published in the Federal Register July 23, the agency invites the public to help revise the regulations implementing Section 503 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973. "Equal access to employment is a fundamental right of every American," said Secretary of Labor Hilda L. Solis. "It's time to update this regulation to ensure that everyone has access to good jobs, including individuals with disabilities." The Section 503 regulations have required equal employment opportunity and affirmative action since the 1970s, yet the rate of disabled people who are unemployed or not in the labor force remain significantly higher than those without disabilities. According to recent data from the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics, 21.7 percent of people with disabilities were in the labor force in June 2010, compared with 70.5 percent of people with no disability. In addition, the unemployment rate for those with disabilities was 14.4 percent, compared with 9.4 percent unemployment for those without a disability. "Work is central to every person's financial independence, sense of self and integrity," said OFCCP Director Patricia A. Shiu. "OFCCP is re-examining its affirmative action regulations so that people with disabilities can be assured that federal contractors are proactively seeking them out for employment." Topics on which comment is requested include: · What employment practices have been effective in recruiting, hiring, advancing and retaining qualified individuals with disabilities. · What data are available that could be used to establish hiring goals and conduct utilization analyses of individuals with disabilities. · How linkage agreements between federal contractors and organizations that focus on the employment of qualified individuals with disabilities can be strengthened to increase effectiveness. Comments must be received by OFCCP within 60 days of the ANPRM's publication. To read the ANPRM or submit a comment, go to the Federal eRulemaking Portal at www.regulations.gov . The deadline for receiving comments is ­­Sept. 21, 2010. OFCCP enforces Executive Order 11246, Section 503 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, and the Vietnam Era Veterans' Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974, 38 U.S.C. 4212. These laws prohibit federal contractors and subcontractors from discriminating on the bases of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability and veteran status. They also require affirmative action in employment by federal contractors and subcontractors. ----- From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Mon Jul 26 15:28:37 2010 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:28:37 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed live with captioning Message-ID: urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed live with captioning FYI Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices P.C. 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 Denver, Colorado 80222 303 504-5979 (voice) 303 757-3640 (fax) slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) www.labarrelaw.com (website) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. ----- Original Message ----- From: White House Disability Group To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:55 AM Subject: urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed live with captioning Today’s ADA celebration, which begins at 5:30 Eastern time, will be streamed live at www.whitehouse.gov/live Please log in and share in the celebration. The live stream, barring any technical difficulties, will have available captioning either as picture in picture or another technical setup. ----- Unsubscribe The White House · 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW · Washington DC 20500 · 202-456-1111 From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Jul 26 20:18:41 2010 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:18:41 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] TSA Senior Policy Advisor vacancy announcement Message-ID: Link: http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=89250610&JobTitle=Senior+Policy+Advisor-SV-0301-J%2fK&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=Y&FedPub=Y&x=72&y=11&jbf574=HSBC&tm=3&AVSDM=2010-07-09+07%3a21%3a00 Text: Job Title: Senior Policy Advisor-SV-0301-J/K Department: Department Of Homeland Security Agency: Transportation Security Administration Sub Agency: DHS-Transportation Security Administration Job Announcement Number: HQ-OSC-10-256316 SALARY RANGE: $88,648.00 - $164,265.00 /year OPEN PERIOD: Friday, July 09, 2010 to Friday, July 30, 2010 SERIES & GRADE: SV-0301-J/K POSITION INFORMATION: Full Time Permanent PROMOTION POTENTIAL: K DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy(s) in one of the following locations: Arlington, VA WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: Open to all U.S. Citizens. For further information concerning U.S. Citizenship, please visit link: http://www.http://www.uscis.gov This position is located in Arlington, VA. The salary includes Locality Pay of 24.22%. The Transportation Security Administration is an Excepted Service agency. Basic Federal employee benefits remain the same as other Federal agencies. JOB SUMMARY: Securing Travel, Protecting People At the Transportation Security Administration, we serve in a high- stakes environment to safeguard the American way of life. In cities across the country, we secure airports, seaports, railroads, highways, and public transit systems. We protect our transportation infrastructure from terrorist attack and ensure freedom of movement for people and commerce. At TSA, we act swiftly and with integrity to: * Discover and stop emerging transportation security threats, utilizing state of the art technology * Educate and provide friendly customer service to travelers * Screen passengers and gather intelligence * Coordinate security involving aviation, rail, and other surface and maritime transportation * Oversee most transportation-related responsibilities of the federal government during a national emergency KEY REQUIREMENTS: Must possess U.S. Citizenship or be a U.S. National. Must complete a favorable Background Investigation (BI). Must pass Drug and Alcohol Screening and be subject to random drug tests. Additional Duty Location Info: Arlington, VA This position is located in the Office of Disability Policy and Outreach, Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Department of Homeland Security (DHS). If selected for this position, you will serve as a Senior Policy Advisor responsible for identifying and proposing solutions to complex problems where previous studies and established techniques require modification and adaptation. You will also conduct studies that impact programs, projects, or processes across functional and/or organizational lines. You may be tasked with communicating TSA's position on issues. Typical duties include: Creating and drafting final policy documents, such as management directives, guidance documents, policy statements, process and procedures documents, action memoranda and training materials. Handling complaints from the traveling public to include responding to customer inquiries, conducting fact-finding inquiries, drawing conclusions based on the facts, drafting thorough fact-finding reports, or reports of investigation relating to Disability Policy and Outreach. Reviewing and commenting on disability policy or procedure documents and training materials and packages submitted by other lines of business for review and comment. Developing, managing, and strengthening partnerships with community leaders from disability-related interest groups to facilitate mutual understanding and the exchange of information. Serving as a subject matter expert regarding pertinent disability and civil rights laws. Evaluating and implementing disability-related etiquette and accessibility. The major duties described above reflect the full performance level of this position. Typically, the lower pay band (Pay Band J) performs the same duties but will receive more guidance and training; and/or projects/work assignments may be less complex. QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED: To qualify for the SV-J Pay Band (equivalent to GS-14), you must have one year of specialized experience at the SV-I Pay Band or GS-13 in the Federal service or equivalent experience in the private sector. Specialized experience is experience that has equipped you with the particular knowledge, skills and abilities to successfully perform the duties of the position. Such experience includes evaluating and making recommendations concerning overall plans and proposals for highly complex projects; conducting comprehensive management studies; and interpreting disability and civil rights laws. To qualify for the SV-K Pay Band (equivalent to the GS-15), you must have one year of Specialized experience at the SV-J Pay Band or GS-14 level in the Federal service or equivalent experience in the private sector. Specialized experience is experience that has equipped you with the particular knowledge, skills and abilities to successfully perform the duties of the position. Such experience includes providing expert advice, guidance and instructions, to address diverse, complex issues; leading large project/program teams; defining and developing internal civil rights and disability policies and procedures; and preparing recommendations to change the way programs are carried out and implemented. KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS, ABILITIES AND CORE COMPETENCIES: The following KSAs/Competencies have been identified as critical for successful job performance. These KSAs/Competencies were used to develop the occupational assessment questions presented for your response. 1. Civil Rights, Civil Liberties and Disability Rights Laws and Regulations: Knowledge of laws, regulations, Executive Orders and policy statements to make recommendations for resolving related complaints. 2. Public Affairs: Develops communication plans to disseminate information concerning organizational matters affecting target audiences. 3. Partnering: Develops networks and builds alliances; collaborates across boundaries to build strategic relationships and achieve common goals. 4. Interpersonal Skills: Treats others with courtesy, sensitivity, and respect; considers and responds appropriately to the needs and feelings of different people in different situations. 5. Human Capital Management: Builds and manages workforce based on organizational goals, budget considerations and staffing needs; ensures that employees are appropriately recruited, selected, appraised and rewarded; takes action to address performance problems; manages a multi-sector blended workforce and a variety of work situations. 6. Oral Communication: Makes clear and convincing oral presentations; listens effectively; clarifies information as needed. 7. Written Communication: Writes in a clear, concise, organized, and convincing manner for the intended audience. You must meet the qualification requirements for this position no later than the closing date of the vacancy announcement. HOW YOU WILL BE EVALUATED: You will be evaluated on their total background including experience, education, awards, training, and self-development as it relates to the position. Report only attendance and/or degrees from schools accredited by accrediting institutions recognized by the U.S. Department of Education. Refer to the Office of Personnel Management and the U.S. Department of Education websites for more information at Office of Personnel Management link: http://www.opm.gov/qualifications Responses to the evaluation criteria may be ranked according to relative merit for this position and identified as being "qualified" or "best qualified." Selection for this position will be made only from among applicants possessing the best qualifications. To preview questions please click here link: https://jobs.mgsapps.monster.com/tsa/vacancy/previewVacancyQuestions.hms?orgId=1&jnum=28367 BENEFITS: The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program has many plans to choose from all at very reasonable rates, which can be paid from pre- tax income. The Federal Employees Retirement System is one of the premier retirement programs in the Nation. The program features three components: * a retirement pension; * the Thrift Savings Plan (an employee controlled investment program); * and social security. Federal Employee Group Life Insurance offers numerous life insurance policy options covering employees and dependents. The leave program offers exceptional time off benefits including annual leave, sick leave, family medical leave, and 10 paid holidays per year. You may be eligible for career development and enrichment training; family friendly policies; and Employee Assistance Programs. If you commute using public transportation, you may be eligible for a transit subsidy. OTHER INFORMATION: TSA employees who are absent for the purpose of performing military duty may apply for any vacancies announced in their absence. STATUS AND ELIGIBILITY TO APPLY FOR OTHER FEDERAL POSITIONS: TSA is an excepted service agency exempt from most of Title 5 United States Code; therefore, employment with TSA does not confer the "competitive status" that generally results from selection and service in competitive service agencies. Under the OPM-DHS Interchange Agreement, permanent employees who have at least one year of continuous service with TSA can apply and be considered for positions in other Federal agencies open to current/former Federal employees with competitive status. For more information please visit: www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/tsa_interchange_agreement.pdf VETERANS' PREFERENCE: For most external recruitment efforts, TSA provides preference to eligible veterans who were discharged or released from military service under honorable conditions. Eligibility requirements for Veterans' Preference are available in the Vets Info Guide available on the Office of Personnel Management's Web site at www.opm.gov. You must identify your claim for Veterans' Preference on your application and provide proof of your entitlement by submitting appropriate documentation such as a copy of your DD-214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty (Member 4 copy). If you are claiming a disability you must submit the appropriate documentation from the military service or a current letter of disability from Department of Veterans Affairs. If you are claiming 10-point preference you must also complete Standard Form SF-15, Application for 10-Point Veterans' Preference. SELECTIVE SERVICE: TSA policy requires verification of Selective Service registration for male applicants born after 12/31/59. Generally, male applicants who knowingly fail to register will be ineligible for employment with TSA. For more information on registering with the Selective Service, visit the Selective Service System Web site at www.sss.gov or contact them by telephone at 1-847-688-6888. EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY AND REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION: TSA is an Equal Opportunity Employer. All qualified candidates will be considered regardless of political affiliation, race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, age, disability, personal favoritism, protected genetic information, or other non-merit factors. TSA provides reasonable accommodation to applicants with disabilities where appropriate. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please contact the TSA Help Desk by phone at 1-877-872-7990 or by TTY at 1-877-872-7992. Determinations on requests for reasonable accommodation will be made on a case-by-case basis. PRIVACY ACT REQUIREMENTS: The forms referenced in this announcement are used to determine candidates' qualifications for the position and are authorized in 5 U.S.C. 3302 and 3361. PERMANENT CHANGE OF STATION: Current TSA employees will not be granted PCS if selected for this position in a location outside their current commuting area. Non-TSA employees are not entitled. RELOCATION: No relocation expenses will be authorized for this position. HOW TO APPLY: Applications will be accepted online until 11:59 p.m. (Eastern Time) on the closing date of this vacancy announcement. Please click the "Apply Online" button. There are three steps to the application process. You will be required to complete all steps to be considered for this position. PLEASE NOTE: Failure to submit the information outlined below will render your application ineligible for consideration for this position. Step #1: You MUST complete the online assessment, or the Employment Packet (paper), specifically generated for this position. To apply online, click the "Apply Online" button at the bottom of the screen. If you do not have access to a computer and you are unable to apply online, a paper application is permitted. Please contact the TSA HR Access Help Desk at 1-877-872-7990. An "Employment Packet" will be sent to you, which includes the vacancy announcement, the demographic questions, the core questions and the vacancy specific questions. The "Employment Packet" must be completed and submitted so that it will be received no later than the closing date (Eastern Time) of this vacancy announcement. Step #2: You MUST also submit a resume or other form of application. You have an option of completing a resume within this automated staffing system or submitting a resume that you have in another format or maintained in personal files. Please follow the process outlined at the end of the series of occupational assessment questions regarding submitting your resume or other application form. Step #3: This step must be followed if you are applying based upon current or former Federal government status, if you are claiming Veterans' Preference, if you are attempting to qualify for this position based upon education (if applicable), or if you are requesting consideration based upon a special appointing authority, you must submit the required documents with your application. Fax these documents to the fax number on the fax cover sheet provided for each separate document. Failure to include the required documents may make you ineligible for the position. For additional information about the TSA and employment, please visit link: http://www.tsa.gov/join/index.shtm REQUIRED DOCUMENTS: After completing the steps outlined above, the following documents are required supplements to the resume or application form, if applicable. If you are a current or former Federal government employee, you MUST submit a copy of your most recent or current SF-50, Notification of Personnel Action, or equivalent documentation that indicates the type of appointment, position and grade/pay band. Failure to provide this documentation will result in your application being treated as "External" (i.e., from an applicant who is outside the Federal service). If you are claiming tentative (TP) Veteran Preference, you MUST provide a copy of your DD-214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, or other proof of entitlement. If you are claiming Veterans' Preference based upon compensable disability, widow or spouse entitlement or Purple Heart receipt (CPS/CP/XP), you MUST submit a copy of your DD-214, an SF-15, Application for 10-Point Veterans' Preference, and the required proof (i.e., Department of Veterans Affairs letter dated 1991 or later),and the latest copy of report of separation from active duty (DD-214) to establish proof of honorable discharge). If you are attempting to qualify for this position based upon education, you must submit a copy of your transcript(s) from an accredited college or university (for each school attended) to establish qualifications based upon education. The on-line process and the submission of your application materials will be accepted online until 11:59 p.m. on the closing date of this vacancy announcement. AGENCY CONTACT INFO: HR Help Desk Phone: 877-872-7990 Fax: 571-258-4052 TDD: 877-872-7992 Email: Helpdesk at TSA-HRAccess.com Agency Information: DHS-Transportation Security Administration Shared Service Center 2650 Park Tower Drive Merrifield, VA 22180 Fax: 571-258-4052 WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT: After completion of the evaluation process, you will be notified by e-mail if you applied through the automated process or by letter if you completed an "Employment Packet." You may also check your application status online. Agency Information: DHS-Transportation Security Administration Shared Service Center 2650 Park Tower Drive Merrifield, VA 22180 Fax: 571-258-4052 Questions about this job: HR Help Desk Phone: 877-872-7990 Fax: 571-258-4052 TDD: 877-872-7992 Email: Helpdesk at TSA-HRAccess.com Job Announcement Number: HQ-OSC-10-256316 Control Number: 1965672 EEO Policy Statement | Reasonable Accommodation Policy Statement | Veterans Information | Legal and Regulatory Guidance From Susan.Kelly at pima.gov Mon Jul 26 21:21:10 2010 From: Susan.Kelly at pima.gov (Susan Kelly) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:21:10 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] JustWare computer case management system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D712A@EVS02.central.pima.gov> Has anyone used this program? The public defender and legal defender offices in our county are about to go live with it in a couple of months, even though rather pointed questioning by my direct supervisor made it clear that the program the county decided to purchase was not compatible with JAWS or WinZoom or Zoom Text. My supervisor is already planning additional things to do for me and a co-worker who needs DragonSpeak, but we would appreciate suggestions by anyone who has used this or a similarly in-accessible program...thanks! From bjsexton at comcast.net Mon Jul 26 20:59:31 2010 From: bjsexton at comcast.net (Bruce Sexton) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:59:31 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] CCTV Message-ID: <1DF88824B3224BF097D1CEE39792D26E@donna> Hello, I have a color CCTV with a 15 inch flat screen monitor that I would like to sell. It is approximately 5 years old and in like-new condition. It costs $8,000 new. I am willing to sell it for $1500 or best offer. It is a Smart View from Pulse Data International model number: SVCV 510. If you're interested please email me off list at: bjsexton at comcast.net . Thanks, Bruce Sexton, Jr. (B.J.) From jty727 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 00:29:34 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:29:34 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed live with captioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello! I was wondering if there was somewhere I could review the video from today's event? I ask becaus about half way through the President's speech I had massive technical difficulties. It made it unable for me to hear his talk. I loved what I was hearing and was disappointed when it refused to playing. thanks Justin On 7/26/10, Scott C. LaBarre wrote: > urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed live with > captioning FYI > Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. > > LaBarre Law Offices P.C. > 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 > Denver, Colorado 80222 > 303 504-5979 (voice) > 303 757-3640 (fax) > slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) > www.labarrelaw.com (website) > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged > information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, > copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in > error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, > and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments > are covered by the Electronic > Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: White House Disability Group > To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:55 AM > Subject: urgent-please circulate-White House ADA celebration to be streamed > live with captioning > > > Today’s ADA celebration, which begins at 5:30 Eastern time, will be streamed > live at www.whitehouse.gov/live > > > > Please log in and share in the celebration. > > > > The live stream, barring any technical difficulties, will have available > captioning either as picture in picture or another technical setup. > > ----- > > Unsubscribe > > The White House · 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW · Washington DC 20500 · > 202-456-1111 > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 27 15:46:42 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:46:42 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market Message-ID: Hello, list. I would like legal advice concerning inaccessible touch-screen credit card terminals currently employed by my local supermarkets. I shop at two stores in southern Oregon which use these devices; their only gesture toward access is a telephone keypad with which to input a PIN. In speaking with the legal representative for C&K Market, the company which runs both these markets, he has told me that the ADA does not, in fact, cover these, since they are not a federal business and receive no federal money. Having no further option, I told him that I would research the issue, the laws for the state of Oregon, if any, concerning these touch-screen terminals and get back to him. Can someone point me in the right direction, if there is one, as to how I can get these touch-screens removed or supplemented with a credit card terminal accessible to a totally blind person? Thanks for any information you can provide. Have a great day! :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 15:54:53 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:54:53 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a touch screen terminal at King Super's. That's the local store here in CO. They used to have a touch pad that was accessible but now it's been replaced with a touch screen that is inaccessible. That, I say, is the wrong move. Beth On 7/27/10, Mark BurningHawk wrote: > Hello, list. > > I would like legal advice concerning inaccessible touch-screen credit > card terminals currently employed by my local supermarkets. I shop at > two stores in southern Oregon which use these devices; their only > gesture toward access is a telephone keypad with which to input a > PIN. In speaking with the legal representative for C&K Market, the > company which runs both these markets, he has told me that the ADA > does not, in fact, cover these, since they are not a federal business > and receive no federal money. Having no further option, I told him > that I would research the issue, the laws for the state of Oregon, if > any, concerning these touch-screen terminals and get back to him. Can > someone point me in the right direction, if there is one, as to how I > can get these touch-screens removed or supplemented with a credit card > terminal accessible to a totally blind person? > > Thanks for any information you can provide. Have a great day! :) > > Mark BurningHawk > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > Namaste! > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 16:09:32 2010 From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <741928.80390.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That happened here in at many places all over NY/NJ and elseware for some years. I guess since early 2006 or so. Good luck with that one especially using a debit card or something. --- On Tue, 7/27/10, Beth wrote: > From: Beth > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 11:54 AM > There is a touch screen terminal at > King Super's.  That's the local > store here in CO.  They used to have a touch pad that > was accessible > but now it's been replaced with a touch screen that is > inaccessible. > That, I say, is the wrong move. > Beth > > On 7/27/10, Mark BurningHawk > wrote: > > Hello, list. > > > > I would like legal advice concerning inaccessible > touch-screen credit > > card terminals currently employed by my local > supermarkets.  I shop at > > two stores in southern Oregon which use these devices; > their only > > gesture toward access is a telephone keypad with which > to input a > > PIN.  In speaking with the legal representative > for C&K Market, the > > company which runs both these markets, he has told me > that the ADA > > does not, in fact, cover these, since they are not a > federal business > > and receive no federal money.  Having no further > option, I told him > > that I would research the issue, the laws for the > state of Oregon, if > > any, concerning these touch-screen terminals and get > back to him.  Can > > someone point me in the right direction, if there is > one, as to how I > > can get these touch-screens removed or supplemented > with a credit card > > terminal accessible to a totally blind person? > > > > Thanks for any information you can provide.  Have > a great day! :) > > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969 > > Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > Namaste! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com > From craig.borne at dot.gov Tue Jul 27 16:38:20 2010 From: craig.borne at dot.gov (craig.borne at dot.gov) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:38:20 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Call back the legal representative and ask where he/she received a law degree; a refund may be in order. The ADA, Title III applies to places of public accommodation, such as supermarkets. The ADA has absolutely nothing to do with Federal funding or a Federal business -- whatever that even is. Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 is tied to Federal funding. Go to www.ada.gov for some good resources on Title III entities to combat legal reps who are clueless. Craig -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:47 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market Hello, list. I would like legal advice concerning inaccessible touch-screen credit card terminals currently employed by my local supermarkets. I shop at two stores in southern Oregon which use these devices; their only gesture toward access is a telephone keypad with which to input a PIN. In speaking with the legal representative for C&K Market, the company which runs both these markets, he has told me that the ADA does not, in fact, cover these, since they are not a federal business and receive no federal money. Having no further option, I told him that I would research the issue, the laws for the state of Oregon, if any, concerning these touch-screen terminals and get back to him. Can someone point me in the right direction, if there is one, as to how I can get these touch-screens removed or supplemented with a credit card terminal accessible to a totally blind person? Thanks for any information you can provide. Have a great day! :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/craig.borne%40 dot.gov From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 27 19:28:46 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:28:46 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: Craig: What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need to replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't feel that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need something concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the ADA's guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate their replacement. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Jul 27 21:02:59 2010 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:02:59 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: Librarian of Congress Says Blind Have Right to Access E-books Message-ID: <033FDC836C8345F38723DE4709D24328@labarre> This is a major statement in the right direction. Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices P.C. 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 Denver, Colorado 80222 303 504-5979 (voice) 303 757-3640 (fax) slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) www.labarrelaw.com (website) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. ----- Original Message ----- From: Freeh, Jessica To: Alpidio Rolon ; Amy Buresh ; Angela Wolf ; Anil Lewis ; Art Schreiber ; Beth Rival ; Bill Packee ; Bob Kresmer ; Carl Jacobsen ; Cassandra McNabb ; Cathy Jackson ; Charlene Smyth ; Christine G. 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Smith ; James Antonacci ; Jennelle Bichler ; Jennifer Dunnam ; Joe Ruffalo ; John Batron ; John Fritz ; Joyce Scanlan ; Ken Rollman ; Kevan Worley ; Kim Williams ; Larry Posont ; Lynn Majewski ; Mary Willows ; Matt Lyles ; Matt Lyles ; Melissa Riccobono ; Michael Barber ; Michael Freeman ; Mika Pyyhkala ; Nani Fife ; Pam Allen ; Parnell Diggs ; Patti Chang ; Rena Smith ; Richard Gaffney ; Ron Brown ; Ron Gardner ; Sam Gleese ; Scott LaBarre ; Selena Sundling-Crawford Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Librarian of Congress Says Blind Have Right to Access E-books FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Librarian of Congress Says Blind Have Right to Access E-books National Federation of the Blind Commends Copyright Ruling Baltimore, Maryland (July 27, 2010): The National Federation of the Blind, the oldest nationwide organization of blind Americans and the leading advocate for access to digital information by the blind, commented today on the renewal of a ruling from the Librarian of Congress that allows the circumvention of digital rights management (DRM) technology by blind people seeking equal access to e-books. The ruling states that one of the circumstances in which circumvention of technology that limits access to copyrighted works is not a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is: "literary works distributed in ebook format when all existing ebook editions of the work (including digital text editions made available by authorized entities) contain access controls that prevent the enabling either of the book's read-aloud function or of screen readers that render the text into a specialized format." Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "The National Federation of the Blind commends the Librarian of Congress for recognizing the right of blind Americans to obtain equal access to the information contained in digital books. It is the position of the National Federation of the Blind that blind people have the right to access content for which they have paid or which they have otherwise legally obtained, just like all other readers. We are pleased that the Librarian of Congress sees matters in the same way. The e-book industry, however, has largely failed to recognize our rights. The Amazon Kindle, Barnes and Noble Nook, Sony Reader, and other e-book reading devices and applications still remain inaccessible to us, and we have yet to see accessible e-book readers and content from those who have promised them. At this time, Apple products that can access the company's iBooks are the only mainstream e-book devices accessible to blind readers. The National Federation of the Blind will continue to use every means at our disposal to secure the right of blind Americans to access the same books at the same time and at the same price as all other consumers. We will stand for nothing less." ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net Tue Jul 27 23:48:49 2010 From: b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net (Blaine Deutscher) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:48:49 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] testing Message-ID: <034201cb2de6$42fdac00$400110ac@GPD945> Just sent this to see if the email is going through. I had sent another e-mail but didn't get nothing back so was wondering if I'm still on the list or not. Blaine From johnrsheehan at yahoo.com Wed Jul 28 00:33:54 2010 From: johnrsheehan at yahoo.com (johnrsheehan at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 00:33:54 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] testing In-Reply-To: <034201cb2de6$42fdac00$400110ac@GPD945> References: <034201cb2de6$42fdac00$400110ac@GPD945> Message-ID: <1119799124-1280277261-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-695591724-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Received Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Blaine Deutscher Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:48:49 To: Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] testing Just sent this to see if the email is going through. I had sent another e-mail but didn't get nothing back so was wondering if I'm still on the list or not. Blaine _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 01:01:56 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:01:56 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: How could I combat the problem of my supermarket's credit/debit card terminals? Should I talk to the manager? THis sounds like something that I should bring to my chapter. Beth On 7/27/10, Mark BurningHawk wrote: > Craig: > > What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of > coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more > strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit > card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward > to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need > to replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't > feel that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need > something concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the > ADA's guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate > their replacement. > > Mark BurningHawk > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > Namaste! > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 28 01:18:38 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:18:38 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA with Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many ways is more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be covered by the ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of accessible system in place. Dave At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >Craig: > >What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need >to replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't >feel that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need >something concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the >ADA's guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate >their replacement. > >Mark BurningHawk >Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >Namaste! David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 01:43:17 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:43:17 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> So, should I tell him to look at section 508 and not 504? He claims all their legal people have researched it; if that's true, I have a hard time believing no one there knows the difference between section 504 and section 508. Thanks though; this is one valuable piece of knowledge I didn't have before. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From lmendez at twcny.rr.com Wed Jul 28 02:14:54 2010 From: lmendez at twcny.rr.com (L A Mendez) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:14:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <006201cb2dfa$ab6862d0$02392870$@rr.com> Since I lack specific information about your particular situation, I will limit my comments to very general considerations. The A.D.A. is the statute that will likely govern the situation that you are describing at the Federal level. State law may also provide some legal recourse. If you wish to press this matter as a legal advocacy issue, I would strongly recommend working with a legal advocate or advocacy organization that has experience with A.D.A. matters, or at least significant experience with civil rights advocacy generally. ----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:43 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market So, should I tell him to look at section 508 and not 504? He claims all their legal people have researched it; if that's true, I have a hard time believing no one there knows the difference between section 504 and section 508. Thanks though; this is one valuable piece of knowledge I didn't have before. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez%40twcny.rr .com From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 28 02:14:41 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:14:41 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Neither -- as I recall you are talking about a private store. It falls under the ADA. Section 504 is for recipients of federal money, and 508 concerns itself with federal purchases, websites etc. Dave At 08:43 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >So, should I tell him to look at section 508 and not 504? He claims >all their legal people have researched it; if that's true, I have a >hard time believing no one there knows the difference between section >504 and section 508. Thanks though; this is one valuable piece of >knowledge I didn't have before. > >Mark BurningHawk >Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >Namaste! David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 02:41:04 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:41:04 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <7F2E5750-93B5-4298-BF8E-FFEC0B95AA45@sbcglobal.net> Does the ADA clearly state that these touch-screen terminals are in violation? If so, could you point me to the legal text I could cite for this guy? He claims they did all the research, so I need to come back to him with concrete facts and citations and whatever all... Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 02:42:12 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:42:12 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <006201cb2dfa$ab6862d0$02392870$@rr.com> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> <006201cb2dfa$ab6862d0$02392870$@rr.com> Message-ID: <48B58FA7-71CC-4743-B054-1C3F63B16511@sbcglobal.net> Can you recommend one who might provide free or pro bono work in the SW Oregon area? Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 28 02:47:42 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:47:42 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <7F2E5750-93B5-4298-BF8E-FFEC0B95AA45@sbcglobal.net> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> <7F2E5750-93B5-4298-BF8E-FFEC0B95AA45@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I am not a lawyer, but probably not. The law generally isn't that specific, allowing for future change etc. The rules and regs may have more, but I don't remember. When the ADA was written touch screens as we know them, didn't even exist -- either did the world wide web. Dave At 09:41 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >Does the ADA clearly state that these touch-screen terminals are in >violation? If so, could you point me to the legal text I could cite >for this guy? He claims they did all the research, so I need to come >back to him with concrete facts and citations and whatever all... >Mark BurningHawk >Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >Namaste! > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From lmendez at twcny.rr.com Wed Jul 28 02:57:36 2010 From: lmendez at twcny.rr.com (L A Mendez) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:57:36 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction Message-ID: <006601cb2e00$a2920f70$e7b62e50$@rr.com> Since I have already responded to a post, I would like to formally introduce myself. I am Luis Mendez. I am a Senior Deputy County Attorney for Onondaga County, New York. I am responsible for the County's environmental legal work. Onondaga County is a diverse municipality with a highly developed urban area, extensive suburban development and large tracks of agricultural lands. My particular areas of expertees are in clean water and superfund litigation . I have also done some civil rights work, and spent my first seven years in practice as a Legal Services attorney. When I entered law school my intention was to become a legal advocate for people with disabilities. Although that did not come to pass, however, I have been fortunate to be able to devote personal time to the effort. From jty727 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 03:00:48 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:00:48 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction In-Reply-To: <006601cb2e00$a2920f70$e7b62e50$@rr.com> References: <006601cb2e00$a2920f70$e7b62e50$@rr.com> Message-ID: Welcome to the list! I live in Monroe County in New York. I've been to your county and great place. On 7/27/10, L A Mendez wrote: > Since I have already responded to a post, I would like to formally introduce > myself. I am Luis Mendez. I am a Senior Deputy County Attorney for Onondaga > County, New York. I am responsible for the County's environmental legal > work. Onondaga County is a diverse municipality with a highly developed > urban area, extensive suburban development and large tracks of agricultural > lands. My particular areas of expertees are in clean water and superfund > litigation . I have also done some civil rights work, and spent my first > seven years in practice as a Legal Services attorney. > > > > When I entered law school my intention was to become a legal advocate for > people with disabilities. Although that did not come to pass, however, I > have been fortunate to be able to devote personal time to the effort. > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 04:33:12 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:33:12 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <9F8E8B36-6340-4A58-B0D9-76EDCF31E289@sbcglobal.net> <7F2E5750-93B5-4298-BF8E-FFEC0B95AA45@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Right; I thought, however, that there was an amendment to the ADA recently, 2008 or 2009, covering electronic accessibility in public places. Maybe not. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Namaste! From rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com Wed Jul 28 11:28:59 2010 From: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com (ray wayne) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:28:59 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction In-Reply-To: <006601cb2e00$a2920f70$e7b62e50$@rr.com> References: <006601cb2e00$a2920f70$e7b62e50$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20100728112859.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com> Hi Luis. Welcome to the list. Ray Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "L A Mendez" To: "'Ationfbnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Date: Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010 23:00:20 Subject: [bllaw] Introduction > > > Since I have already responded to a post, I would like to formally introduce > myself. I am Luis Mendez. I am a Senior Deputy County Attorney for Onondaga > County, New York. I am responsible for the County's environmental legal > work. Onondaga County is a diverse municipality with a highly developed > urban area, extensive suburban development and large tracks of agricultural > lands. My particular areas of expertees are in clean water and superfund > litigation . I have also done some civil rights work, and spent my first > seven years in practice as a Legal Services attorney. > > > > When I entered law school my intention was to become a legal advocate for > people with disabilities. Although that did not come to pass, however, I > have been fortunate to be able to devote personal time to the effort. > > _______________________________________________ > bllaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for bllaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.com From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Wed Jul 28 15:02:38 2010 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:02:38 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> Not being an attorney, but having an interest as do you, I would point out these things. Recently, there was a settlement with Target relating to their website, requiring accessibility. It was in the Ninth Circuit, so in your area. It is, of course, as far as I know, not precedent setting. A second citation would be the settlement with K Mart, putting accessible point of sale devices in their stores. Again, not a precedent, but indicative. As David pointed out, there have not been amendments to the ADA. In Oregon, I might talk to the folks at the Oregon Disabilities Commission, the Department of Labor Civil Rights Division, and for legal referrals, the Oregon Bar Association. If Bennett Prows is looking at this list, he may have some contacts in the Oregon Bar Association. Finally, I would say that if you are the only one complaining to the store about its terminals, you are easily ignored. If there is a group of people raising the issue, then they will realize that it is not just one malcontent causing problems. We all know how frustrating such situations are, and I do not minimize your problem. Remember Arlow Guthrie, who said that if you have fifty people a day... They may think it's a movement. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:19 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA with Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many ways is more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be covered by the ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of accessible system in place. Dave At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >Craig: > >What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need to >replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't feel >that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need something >concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the ADA's >guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate their >replacement. > >Mark BurningHawk >Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >Namaste! David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Wed Jul 28 15:04:40 2010 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:04:40 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C631@tiger> Beth, the chapter is a good place to start. I know that I did a lot of shopping at King Super when I lived there. So do most people there. Since it is probably not just a problem in your local store, you'll want to address it at a higher level. Kroeger itself may be the place to go. Talk to Brent and Scot. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:02 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market How could I combat the problem of my supermarket's credit/debit card terminals? Should I talk to the manager? THis sounds like something that I should bring to my chapter. Beth On 7/27/10, Mark BurningHawk wrote: > Craig: > > What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of > coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more > strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit > card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward > to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need > to replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't > feel that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need > something concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the > ADA's guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate > their replacement. > > Mark BurningHawk > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > Namaste! > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesislo > ose%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 28 17:39:51 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:39:51 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> Message-ID: Perhaps this is something that should be referred to the NFB affiliate in Oregon to be addressed on a statewide basis. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > Not being an attorney, but having an interest as do you, I would point out > these things. Recently, there was a settlement with Target relating to > their website, requiring accessibility. It was in the Ninth Circuit, so in > your area. It is, of course, as far as I know, not precedent setting. A > second citation would be the settlement with K Mart, putting accessible > point of sale devices in their stores. Again, not a precedent, but > indicative. As David pointed out, there have not been amendments to the > ADA. In Oregon, I might talk to the folks at the Oregon Disabilities > Commission, the Department of Labor Civil Rights Division, and for legal > referrals, the Oregon Bar Association. If Bennett Prows is looking at this > list, he may have some contacts in the Oregon Bar Association. > > Finally, I would say that if you are the only one complaining to the store > about its terminals, you are easily ignored. If there is a group of people > raising the issue, then they will realize that it is not just one > malcontent causing problems. We all know how frustrating such situations > are, and I do not minimize your problem. Remember Arlow Guthrie, who said > that if you have fifty people a day... They may think it's a movement. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of David Andrews > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:19 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > > It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA with > Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many ways is > more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be covered by the > ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of accessible system in > place. > > Dave > > At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >>Craig: >> >>What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >>coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >>strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >>card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >>to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need to >>replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't feel >>that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need something >>concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the ADA's >>guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate their >>replacement. >> >>Mark BurningHawk >>Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>Namaste! > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Wed Jul 28 18:20:15 2010 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:20:15 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C635@tiger> That also is good. The president there is Art Stevens in Salem. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:40 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market Perhaps this is something that should be referred to the NFB affiliate in Oregon to be addressed on a statewide basis. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > Not being an attorney, but having an interest as do you, I would point > out these things. Recently, there was a settlement with Target > relating to their website, requiring accessibility. It was in the > Ninth Circuit, so in your area. It is, of course, as far as I know, > not precedent setting. A second citation would be the settlement with > K Mart, putting accessible point of sale devices in their stores. > Again, not a precedent, but indicative. As David pointed out, there > have not been amendments to the ADA. In Oregon, I might talk to the > folks at the Oregon Disabilities Commission, the Department of Labor > Civil Rights Division, and for legal referrals, the Oregon Bar > Association. If Bennett Prows is looking at this list, he may have some contacts in the Oregon Bar Association. > > Finally, I would say that if you are the only one complaining to the > store about its terminals, you are easily ignored. If there is a group > of people raising the issue, then they will realize that it is not > just one malcontent causing problems. We all know how frustrating such > situations are, and I do not minimize your problem. Remember Arlow > Guthrie, who said that if you have fifty people a day... They may think it's a movement. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of David Andrews > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:19 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > > It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA > with Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many > ways is more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be > covered by the ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of > accessible system in place. > > Dave > > At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >>Craig: >> >>What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >>coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >>strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >>card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >>to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need >>to replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't >>feel that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need >>something concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the >>ADA's guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate >>their replacement. >> >>Mark BurningHawk >>Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>Namaste! > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%4 > 0wcbvi.k12.wi.us > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40s > bcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From t.l.cantrell at comcast.net Thu Jul 29 00:10:28 2010 From: t.l.cantrell at comcast.net (Tammy Cantrell) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:10:28 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> Message-ID: <910A31DE6D0348F1AAED91F1FBE16058@owner1b4ab732f> You might want to check out this site. http://lflegal.com/category/settlements/point-of-sale-settlements/ You might have to copy the link and paste it into your browser. (2) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > Not being an attorney, but having an interest as do you, I would point out > these things. Recently, there was a settlement with Target relating to > their website, requiring accessibility. It was in the Ninth Circuit, so in > your area. It is, of course, as far as I know, not precedent setting. A > second citation would be the settlement with K Mart, putting accessible > point of sale devices in their stores. Again, not a precedent, but > indicative. As David pointed out, there have not been amendments to the > ADA. In Oregon, I might talk to the folks at the Oregon Disabilities > Commission, the Department of Labor Civil Rights Division, and for legal > referrals, the Oregon Bar Association. If Bennett Prows is looking at this > list, he may have some contacts in the Oregon Bar Association. > > Finally, I would say that if you are the only one complaining to the store > about its terminals, you are easily ignored. If there is a group of people > raising the issue, then they will realize that it is not just one > malcontent causing problems. We all know how frustrating such situations > are, and I do not minimize your problem. Remember Arlow Guthrie, who said > that if you have fifty people a day... They may think it's a movement. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of David Andrews > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:19 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > > It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA with > Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many ways is > more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be covered by the > ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of accessible system in > place. > > Dave > > At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >>Craig: >> >>What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >>coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >>strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >>card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >>to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need to >>replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't feel >>that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need something >>concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the ADA's >>guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate their >>replacement. >> >>Mark BurningHawk >>Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>Namaste! > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/t.l.cantrell%40comcast.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 29 05:27:31 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:27:31 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <910A31DE6D0348F1AAED91F1FBE16058@owner1b4ab732f> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov><8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> <910A31DE6D0348F1AAED91F1FBE16058@owner1b4ab732f> Message-ID: <23A2430D2A054E6ABA3E85D92865A62A@spike> Yes, Lainey feingold has been involved in the negotiated settlements that have been used by ACB and the California Council of the Blind. Unfortunately as these are negotiated settlements they don't really set any legal precedents as they were negotiated without litigation. She prides herself on not having to go to court and litigate. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Cantrell" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > You might want to check out this site. > http://lflegal.com/category/settlements/point-of-sale-settlements/ > > You might have to copy the link and paste it into your browser. > > > > > (2) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market > > >> Not being an attorney, but having an interest as do you, I would point >> out these things. Recently, there was a settlement with Target relating >> to their website, requiring accessibility. It was in the Ninth Circuit, >> so in your area. It is, of course, as far as I know, not precedent >> setting. A second citation would be the settlement with K Mart, putting >> accessible point of sale devices in their stores. Again, not a precedent, >> but indicative. As David pointed out, there have not been amendments to >> the ADA. In Oregon, I might talk to the folks at the Oregon Disabilities >> Commission, the Department of Labor Civil Rights Division, and for legal >> referrals, the Oregon Bar Association. If Bennett Prows is looking at >> this list, he may have some contacts in the Oregon Bar Association. >> >> Finally, I would say that if you are the only one complaining to the >> store about its terminals, you are easily ignored. If there is a group of >> people raising the issue, then they will realize that it is not just one >> malcontent causing problems. We all know how frustrating such situations >> are, and I do not minimize your problem. Remember Arlow Guthrie, who said >> that if you have fifty people a day... They may think it's a movement. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of David Andrews >> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:19 PM >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market >> >> It sounds like, to me, the guy is mixing apples and oranges, the ADA with >> Section 508. Section 508, covers Federal purchases, and in many ways is >> more strict then the ADA, especially with web. He would be covered by >> the ADA and ultimately he will have to have some sort of accessible >> system in place. >> >> Dave >> >> At 02:28 PM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >>>Craig: >>> >>>What the legal rep told me was that there were different "levels," of >>>coverage, and that the guidelines for federal facilities were more >>>strict than those for private businesses, regarding accessible credit >>>card terminals. What I'd like would be an E-mail that I could forward >>>to this guy John Christianson at C&K Market explaining why they need to >>>replace their touch screen terminals with accessible ones--I don't feel >>>that I could do that in the case of your mail. :) I need something >>>concrete that I can point to disputing his claim that the ADA's >>>guidelines allow the use of the touch-screens, or do not mandate their >>>replacement. >>> >>>Mark BurningHawk >>>Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>>Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>>Namaste! >> >> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/t.l.cantrell%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 29 15:44:37 2010 From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:44:37 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] touch screen credit terminals at C&K market In-Reply-To: <23A2430D2A054E6ABA3E85D92865A62A@spike> References: <74679E5C9A6C114F9793FAD7217A7A0C011E0C3E@OSTMAIL03VS3.ad.dot.gov><8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233730376C630@tiger> <910A31DE6D0348F1AAED91F1FBE16058@owner1b4ab732f> <23A2430D2A054E6ABA3E85D92865A62A@spike> Message-ID: <225B10F6-F8BD-4DF0-9CBC-C58E6DD58D25@sbcglobal.net> For what it's worth, I have forwarded the factual information and this link to the legal rep at C&K Market. 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From cathrynisfinally at verizon.net Fri Jul 30 02:29:57 2010 From: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net (Cathryn Bonnette) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:29:57 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F791C025FE348DFA3CFE21D3AC167F8@14bd0130080a469> Why is this on a job list for blind people when the requirements include a driver's license AND access to a car? -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:04 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:43 AM To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG Subject: FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston Job opening in Boston, MA. William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. Special Projects and Technology Coordinator Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law American Bar Association phelanw at staff.abanet.org www.abanet.org/disability ________________________________ From: Eve L Hill Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:23 PM To: Subject: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston Attached is a job opening at the Disability Law Center in Boston, in case you know anyone who may be interested. Thanks Eve Eve Hill, Esq. Senior Vice President Burton Blatt Institute 1667 K St. NW Suite 640 Washington, DC 20006 (202) 296-2044 ehill at law.syr.edu This e-mail may contain confidential information that may also be legally privileged and that is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named above. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3034 - Release Date: 07/29/10 06:34:00 From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 30 04:10:26 2010 From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: Message-ID: <926270.31481.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I write the following warning to those who may have not been on the linkedin website lately. Warning to linkedin users: When logging in to your own personal accounts, you will be asked to enter specific security codes after logging in. If you are blind or visually impaired, the audio versions of the caption files are corrupted and do not work. Good luck getting help from customer service. From rumpole at roadrunner.com Fri Jul 30 12:31:32 2010 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:31:32 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston References: <6F791C025FE348DFA3CFE21D3AC167F8@14bd0130080a469> Message-ID: <35E348C5DA564B32AD899755B468EFDF@none8a46117901> I would be careful to not "jump conclusions" here. I have worked for a protection and advocacy here in Maine since 2006 under very similar requirements. The accommodation that was offerred to me was an hourly contract for me to pay my own driver and reader for client visits, handwritten documentation, last-minute evidence at administrative hearings, sighted assistance around court houses that I have never been to before and transport to court hearings etc. Just because they don't post something that says "we offer reasonable accommodations" does not mean they won't do it when a visually disabled applicant comes along and qualifies for the job. I handle in excess of 110 cases a year and have been doing exactly what that job calls for - the only accommodation that was provided being the driver/reader contract at an hourly rate, and the P&A paid them, not me. If I were you, I'd focus more on the language that notes the weekend work and long hours. They aren't kidding. The work is long and you aren't paid what private practice lawyers get. But the work is rewarding. IF anyone wants to speak with me about working for a P&A, contact me off list: rumpole at roadrunner.com and I'd be happy to speak with them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathryn Bonnette" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston > Why is this on a job list for blind people when the requirements include a > driver's license AND access to a car? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:04 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law > Center-Boston > > > > From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) > [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:43 AM > To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG > Subject: FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston > > Job opening in Boston, MA. > > William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. > Special Projects and Technology Coordinator > Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law > American Bar Association > > phelanw at staff.abanet.org > www.abanet.org/disability > ________________________________ > From: Eve L Hill > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:23 PM > To: > Subject: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston > > Attached is a job opening at the Disability Law Center in Boston, in case > you know anyone who may be interested. > > Thanks > Eve > > Eve Hill, Esq. > Senior Vice President > Burton Blatt Institute > 1667 K St. NW > Suite 640 > Washington, DC 20006 > (202) 296-2044 > ehill at law.syr.edu > > This e-mail may contain confidential information that may also be legally > privileged and that is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named > above. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: 07/29/10 06:34:00 From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 12:49:50 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:49:50 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] question Message-ID: I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because they are blind? RJ From Susan.Kelly at pima.gov Fri Jul 30 14:38:38 2010 From: Susan.Kelly at pima.gov (Susan Kelly) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / delinquency matters. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] question I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because they are blind? RJ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 pima.gov From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Fri Jul 30 14:44:19 2010 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:44:19 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability LawCenter-Boston References: <6F791C025FE348DFA3CFE21D3AC167F8@14bd0130080a469> <35E348C5DA564B32AD899755B468EFDF@none8a46117901> Message-ID: <96C4C888A8F542B0953328A5CFFB5027@labarre> Incidentally, we brought this issue to their attention and they have already changed the job posting to state something like travel is required. I will forward the new posting once I find it. Regards, Scott C. LaBarre, Esq. LaBarre Law Offices P.C. 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918 Denver, Colorado 80222 303 504-5979 (voice) 303 757-3640 (fax) slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail) www.labarrelaw.com (website) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Doerr" To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability LawCenter-Boston >I would be careful to not "jump conclusions" here. > I have worked for a protection and advocacy here in Maine since 2006 under > very similar requirements. The accommodation that was offerred to me was > an hourly contract for me to pay my own driver and reader for client > visits, handwritten documentation, last-minute evidence at administrative > hearings, sighted assistance around court houses that I have never been to > before and transport to court hearings etc. > Just because they don't post something that says "we offer reasonable > accommodations" does not mean they won't do it when a visually disabled > applicant comes along and qualifies for the job. > I handle in excess of 110 cases a year and have been doing exactly what > that job calls for - the only accommodation that was provided being the > driver/reader contract at an hourly rate, and the P&A paid them, not me. > If I were you, I'd focus more on the language that notes the weekend work > and long hours. They aren't kidding. The work is long and you aren't paid > what private practice lawyers get. But the work is rewarding. > IF anyone wants to speak with me about working for a P&A, contact me off > list: > rumpole at roadrunner.com > and I'd be happy to speak with them. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cathryn Bonnette" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:29 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law > Center-Boston > > >> Why is this on a job list for blind people when the requirements include >> a >> driver's license AND access to a car? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel >> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:04 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law >> Center-Boston >> >> >> >> From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) >> [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William >> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:43 AM >> To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG >> Subject: FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston >> >> Job opening in Boston, MA. >> >> William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. >> Special Projects and Technology Coordinator >> Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law >> American Bar Association >> >> phelanw at staff.abanet.org >> www.abanet.org/disability >> ________________________________ >> From: Eve L Hill >> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:23 PM >> To: >> Subject: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston >> >> Attached is a job opening at the Disability Law Center in Boston, in case >> you know anyone who may be interested. >> >> Thanks >> Eve >> >> Eve Hill, Esq. >> Senior Vice President >> Burton Blatt Institute >> 1667 K St. NW >> Suite 640 >> Washington, DC 20006 >> (202) 296-2044 >> ehill at law.syr.edu >> >> This e-mail may contain confidential information that may also be legally >> privileged and that is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) >> named >> above. 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In the body of the message type "sign off >> cmpdl-3d." >> If you have any questions about 3D or the CMPDL in general, please >> contact >> William Phelan at phelanw at staff.abanet.org. >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3034 - Release Date: 07/29/10 >> 06:34:00 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3036 - Release Date: 07/29/10 > 06:34:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com > From johnrsheehan at yahoo.com Fri Jul 30 15:14:24 2010 From: johnrsheehan at yahoo.com (johnrsheehan at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:14:24 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> Message-ID: <811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst case tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Susan Kelly" Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / delinquency matters. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] question I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because they are blind? RJ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 pima.gov _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 30 15:39:39 2010 From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:39:39 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: References: <926270.31481.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c101cb2ffd$6c6ceba0$6601a8c0@server> Hello William, What is the site Linkedin? Thanks Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "William ODonnell" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: >I write the following warning to those who may have not been on the >linkedin website lately. > > Warning to linkedin users: > When logging in to your own personal accounts, you will be asked to enter > specific security codes after logging in. If you are blind or visually > impaired, the audio versions of the caption files are corrupted and do not > work. Good luck getting help from customer service. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 15:54:57 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:54:57 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: <811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> <811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a stupid decision I made. It was devastating. Beth On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: > Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst case > tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Susan Kelly" > Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > > Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not > necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / > delinquency matters. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur > Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] question > > I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because > they are blind? > RJ > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 > pima.gov > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 17:14:30 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:14:30 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] question References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov><811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason for declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list who could look into this! RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a > stupid decision I made. It was devastating. > Beth > > On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst case >> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Susan Kelly" >> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >> >> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >> delinquency matters. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: [blindlaw] question >> >> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >> they are blind? >> RJ >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >> pima.gov >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 22:33:24 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:33:24 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: <53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> <811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: If there is a Florida lawyer who can practice this kind of law who is willing to represent ablind person in court, please give me his/her contact info and if the NFB could possibly help. If there's even someone to represent mepro bono, it would be good as well. Beth On 7/30/10, RJ Sandefur wrote: > Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason for > declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list > who could look into this! RJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > > >>I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a >> stupid decision I made. It was devastating. >> Beth >> >> On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >>> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst case >>> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Susan Kelly" >>> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >>> >>> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >>> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >>> delinquency matters. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Subject: [blindlaw] question >>> >>> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >>> they are blind? >>> RJ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >>> pima.gov >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 22:41:26 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:41:26 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] question References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov><811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: I think you should give you're contact information so they know who to get a hold of you. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > If there is a Florida lawyer who can practice this kind of law who is > willing to represent ablind person in court, please give me his/her > contact info and if the NFB could possibly help. If there's even > someone to represent mepro bono, it would be good as well. > Beth > > On 7/30/10, RJ Sandefur wrote: >> Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason >> for >> declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list >> who could look into this! RJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >> >> >>>I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a >>> stupid decision I made. It was devastating. >>> Beth >>> >>> On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >>>> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst >>>> case >>>> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Susan Kelly" >>>> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >>>> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >>>> delinquency matters. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>>> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >>>> they are blind? >>>> RJ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >>>> pima.gov >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com > From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 30 23:47:14 2010 From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:47:14 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] question References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov><811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: <021401cb3041$89c13820$6601a8c0@server> Hello Beth, Can you fill me in on some of the details. The email posted to the list just says you were needing a lawyer to represent you. You said that you have been declared incompetent because you are blind and made a bad decision earlier. What bad decision did you make? Did this just happen and is that why you need the lawyer? Also, who is Metro Bono? If you can provide me a little more information, perhaps I can send you to someone in Florida who can help you. I'm a lawyer in California, so I cannot help you directly. I look forward to hearing from you. Best, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > If there is a Florida lawyer who can practice this kind of law who is > willing to represent ablind person in court, please give me his/her > contact info and if the NFB could possibly help. If there's even > someone to represent mepro bono, it would be good as well. > Beth > > On 7/30/10, RJ Sandefur wrote: >> Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason >> for >> declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list >> who could look into this! RJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >> >> >>>I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a >>> stupid decision I made. It was devastating. >>> Beth >>> >>> On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >>>> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst >>>> case >>>> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Susan Kelly" >>>> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >>>> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >>>> delinquency matters. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>>> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >>>> they are blind? >>>> RJ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >>>> pima.gov >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jul 31 03:50:54 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:50:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: In-Reply-To: <00c101cb2ffd$6c6ceba0$6601a8c0@server> References: <926270.31481.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c101cb2ffd$6c6ceba0$6601a8c0@server> Message-ID: Linked In is a social networking sight that is professionally oriented, finding business connections, filling jobs etc. Dave At 10:39 AM 7/30/2010, you wrote: >Hello William, >What is the site Linkedin? >Thanks >Dennis > >----- Original Message ----- From: "William ODonnell" > >To: ; >Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:10 PM >Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: > > >>I write the following warning to those who may have not been on the >>linkedin website lately. >> >>Warning to linkedin users: >>When logging in to your own personal accounts, you will be asked to >>enter specific security codes after logging in. If you are blind >>or visually impaired, the audio versions of the caption files are >>corrupted and do not work. Good luck getting help from customer service. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>blindlaw mailing list >>blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for blindlaw: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennisgclark%40sbcglobal.net >> > > >_______________________________________________ >blindlaw mailing list >blindlaw at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for blindlaw: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 5327 (20100730) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 31 04:51:34 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:51:34 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston In-Reply-To: <6F791C025FE348DFA3CFE21D3AC167F8@14bd0130080a469> References: <6F791C025FE348DFA3CFE21D3AC167F8@14bd0130080a469> Message-ID: usually job postings are created from boiler plate so they would waive the requirement as part of reasonable accommodation if they saw fit. I have raised the same question for many postings that do this but encourage blind people to apply. Recently a similar posting came out from an agency here in California that is a center for the blind and the issue was raised. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathryn Bonnette" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center-Boston > Why is this on a job list for blind people when the requirements include a > driver's license AND access to a car? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:04 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law > Center-Boston > > > > From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) > [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:43 AM > To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG > Subject: FW: [DRBA] Attorney Job Opening - Disability Law Center- Boston > > Job opening in Boston, MA. > > William J. 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In the body of the message type "sign off > cmpdl-3d." > If you have any questions about 3D or the CMPDL in general, please contact > William Phelan at phelanw at staff.abanet.org. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3034 - Release Date: 07/29/10 > 06:34:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 31 05:15:43 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:15:43 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: In-Reply-To: <926270.31481.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <926270.31481.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Of course the alternatives to using the audio files are using Web Vizum or solona which work well and solve the problem. chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "William ODonnell" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:10 PM Subject: [blindlaw] Linkedin Corporation: >I write the following warning to those who may have not been on the >linkedin website lately. > > Warning to linkedin users: > When logging in to your own personal accounts, you will be asked to enter > specific security codes after logging in. If you are blind or visually > impaired, the audio versions of the caption files are corrupted and do not > work. Good luck getting help from customer service. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 31 06:01:14 2010 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:01:14 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73D96AF4BC8F40EA9520E782101B7CE0@spike> I doubt that it would hold up in any state. Incompetence refers generally to a person who is mentally ill or severely disabled enough where they are not comprehending or able to take care of their lives. In many states a person would have to be placed on conservatorship and there are specific requirements today regarding conservatorships such as the due process that is required for a potential conservatee to go through such as the appointment of an attornehy and a hearing. At least that is how it is here in California and it was pretty much the same when I lived in Michigan. chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:49 AM Subject: [blindlaw] question >I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because they >are blind? > RJ > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Jul 31 06:44:59 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:44:59 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: <73D96AF4BC8F40EA9520E782101B7CE0@spike> References: <73D96AF4BC8F40EA9520E782101B7CE0@spike> Message-ID: I don't know how Florida did it, but they declared me incompetent because I got involved with some old guy from a rehab center in Daytona Beach. I was seventeen and my parents said I was "obsessed" with various things including a young man in high school. Well, my parents prevented me from having real hobbies and fascinations. Because of this, I can't marry, can't live anywhere I want legally, and so on. Beth On 7/31/10, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net wrote: > I doubt that it would hold up in any state. Incompetence refers generally to > a person who is mentally ill or severely disabled enough where they are not > comprehending or able to take care of their lives. In many states a person > would have to be placed on conservatorship and there are specific > requirements today regarding conservatorships such as the due process that > is required for a potential conservatee to go through such as the > appointment of an attornehy and a hearing. At least that is how it is here > in California and it was pretty much the same when I lived in Michigan. > chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:49 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] question > > >>I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because they >>are blind? >> RJ >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From tom at tomladis.com Sat Jul 31 16:34:09 2010 From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:34:09 -0000 Subject: [blindlaw] question References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov><811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: Have you consulted the ACLU or the NFB for their support? Tom Ladis ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason for > declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list > who could look into this! RJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > > >>I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a >> stupid decision I made. It was devastating. >> Beth >> >> On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >>> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst >>> case >>> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Susan Kelly" >>> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >>> >>> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >>> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >>> delinquency matters. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>> Subject: [blindlaw] question >>> >>> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >>> they are blind? >>> RJ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >>> pima.gov >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Jul 31 20:49:20 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:49:20 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] question In-Reply-To: References: <1C09B58171332F49B237676A5158B1F7033D7159@EVS02.central.pima.gov> <811272494-1280502893-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1353875392-@bda889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <53EC16A0F02A4648858E773970BD763F@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: I'm not sure what the ACLU will do, but the NFB I'm looking into. That's another thought. Beth On 12/17/08, Tom Ladis wrote: > Have you consulted the ACLU or the NFB for their support? > > Tom Ladis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question > > >> Beth, They can't do that! The fact you are blind shouldn't be a reason for >> >> declaring you incompetent! I wish their was a Florida Lawyer on this list >> who could look into this! RJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >> >> >>>I was declared incompetent in FL because of both blindness and a >>> stupid decision I made. It was devastating. >>> Beth >>> >>> On 7/30/10, johnrsheehan at yahoo.com wrote: >>>> Rently in south jersey but should have time to get something - worst >>>> case >>>> tomorrow am - assuming I can find a hot spot >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Susan Kelly" >>>> Sender: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:38:38 >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Reply-To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> Not in Arizona - even severe, chronic mental illness will not >>>> necessarily lead to a finding of incompetence, at least in criminal / >>>> delinquency matters. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>>> Sent: Friday, 30 July, 2010 5:50 AM >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] question >>>> >>>> I have a question. Can a person be declared incompetent just because >>>> they are blind? >>>> RJ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40 >>>> pima.gov >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >