From rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net  Sat May  1 04:20:05 2010
From: rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net ( Rob Tabor)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:20:05 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
References: <09189708FA5D4854B1A5625B8DFFE44F@14bd0130080a469>
	<880414F1285B4040A9E05ACE331D84EA@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <F119D99C1EE04D1BAF4CA0B1E1D6EE56@Rob>

Good evening Tom and list.
Perhaps the law school testing agencies need to be instructed on the recent 
court case against the Cal state board of bar examiners. If they are smart, 
they will read the hand writing on the wall.
best regards
Rob Tabor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" 
<blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.  I 
> have heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to 
> state exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely 
> not get it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing 
> and what might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have 
> suggested that I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to 
> double time, more breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games. 
> This may cause the need to appeal, but may get things that should be 
> available to everybody.  It doesn't seem right that every blind person 
> trying to take the test should go through these same hoops, over and over 
> again.  It also doesn't seem like a level playing field when blind people 
> need to take the test in a manner that introduces an additional 
> distraction and more stress.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> In response to Tom-
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer 
>> sheet
>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
>> properly.
>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in the 
>> form
>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for reading 
>> the
>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example, I 
>> was
>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra 
>> breaks
>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by the
>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach, you
>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My reader
>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>
>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel 
>> free
>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cathryn
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From tom at tomladis.com  Sat May  1 15:28:48 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:28:48 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
References: <09189708FA5D4854B1A5625B8DFFE44F@14bd0130080a469><880414F1285B4040A9E05ACE331D84EA@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<F119D99C1EE04D1BAF4CA0B1E1D6EE56@Rob>
Message-ID: <823160CD9315460B96A44BE69BFD9183@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Hello all.  Yes, they have been in trouble with accommodation issues and 
need to step into the twenty-first century.  Computers are cheap now and 
they should make the testing environment reflect current standard and 
adaptive technologies for everyone.

Tom .

----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Good evening Tom and list.
> Perhaps the law school testing agencies need to be instructed on the 
> recent court case against the Cal state board of bar examiners. If they 
> are smart, they will read the hand writing on the wall.
> best regards
> Rob Tabor
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" 
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.  I 
>> have heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to 
>> state exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely 
>> not get it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing 
>> and what might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have 
>> suggested that I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to 
>> double time, more breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games. 
>> This may cause the need to appeal, but may get things that should be 
>> available to everybody.  It doesn't seem right that every blind person 
>> trying to take the test should go through these same hoops, over and over 
>> again.  It also doesn't seem like a level playing field when blind people 
>> need to take the test in a manner that introduces an additional 
>> distraction and more stress.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>>
>>
>>> In response to Tom-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer 
>>> sheet
>>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
>>> properly.
>>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in the 
>>> form
>>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for reading 
>>> the
>>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example, I 
>>> was
>>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra 
>>> breaks
>>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by the
>>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach, 
>>> you
>>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My 
>>> reader
>>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>>
>>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel 
>>> free
>>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cathryn
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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>>
>>
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From tom at tomladis.com  Sat May  1 15:36:03 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:36:03 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Message-ID: <A6CCD93D01F546128F25C193BF98F0AE@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Sure, but I would guess that most people would be able to utilize something 
more advanced and accessible than paper and pencil.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Hi Tom,
> While your concerns are valid, each test and each blind test taker are
> different and as I have stated time and again, the examiners do not read 
> our
> minds, so if you don't ask, they are not obligated to deliver. Test
> preparation is paramount when applying for law school.
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom Ladis
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:15 PM
> To: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net; NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.  I 
> have
>
> heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to state
> exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely not get
> it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing and what
> might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have suggested 
> that
>
> I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to double time, 
> more
> breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.  This may cause the 
> need
>
> to appeal, but may get things that should be available to everybody.  It
> doesn't seem right that every blind person trying to take the test should 
> go
>
> through these same hoops, over and over again.  It also doesn't seem like 
> a
> level playing field when blind people need to take the test in a manner 
> that
>
> introduces an additional distraction and more stress.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> In response to Tom-
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer
>> sheet
>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form
>> properly.
>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in the
>> form
>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for reading
>> the
>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example, I
>> was
>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra
>> breaks
>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by the
>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach, you
>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My reader
>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>
>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel
>> free
>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cathryn
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From va57 at law.georgetown.edu  Sat May  1 18:28:51 2010
From: va57 at law.georgetown.edu (Vikram Agarwal)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 14:28:51 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 LSAT
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Message-ID: <84C7DE89EC13B74E90BC22E82A3DA17E969AE2@law-be2.law.georgetown.edu>

I was able to request an electronic format, the use of Jaws or Kurzweil
and the use of Excel for the logic games.  I also was able to receive
extended time and extra breaks.  As others have noted, it is imperative
to begin the process of requesting accommodations well in advance to
ensure you receive everything you need before the exam.  You will still
need a scribe to input answers, however, I also used Excel to keep track
of my answers as I went.  I took the exam in 2007.  Feel free to contact
me off line to discuss further.

Vikram

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   1. Introduction (Jordan Richardson)
   2. Re: LSAT (Tom Ladis)
   3. Re: LSAT (John Ramsey)
   4. Re: LSAT ( Rob Tabor)
   5. Re: LSAT (Tom Ladis)
   6. Re: LSAT (Tom Ladis)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:46:50 -0500
From: Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Lawyers List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

Hello all,

My name is Jordan Richardson and I am currently a freshman at the
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities majoring in political science and
planning to minor in philosophy.

After my undergraduate degree I plan to attend law school specializing
in Constitutional law.  My plan is to practice law and then become a
judge.

I actually have some questions regarding blind judges:

What non-visual techniques would a blind judge use on the bench during
a trial? How would one deal with looking at evidence?  Would the
bailiff describe/read any pictures/texts, or would you simply have
each attorney be descriptive?

Thank you,
Jordan Richardson
2nd Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students

-- 
Jordan Richardson
2nd Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students
lilrichie411 at gmail.com
?It is very important to generate a good attitude, a good heart, as
much as possible. From this, happiness in both the short term and the
long term for both yourself and others will come.?
--Dalai Lama



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:15:03 -0500
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>,	"NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List"
	<blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
Message-ID: <880414F1285B4040A9E05ACE331D84EA at TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.  I
have 
heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to
state 
exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely not
get 
it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing and
what 
might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have suggested
that 
I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to double time,
more 
breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.  This may cause the
need 
to appeal, but may get things that should be available to everybody.  It

doesn't seem right that every blind person trying to take the test
should go 
through these same hoops, over and over again.  It also doesn't seem
like a 
level playing field when blind people need to take the test in a manner
that 
introduces an additional distraction and more stress.



Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT


> In response to Tom-
>
>
>
> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer 
> sheet
> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
> properly.
> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the 
> form
> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading 
> the
> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example,
I 
> was
> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra 
> breaks
> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My
reader
> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>
> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel

> free
> to contact me off list if you wish.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cathryn
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:28:26 -0400
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
Message-ID: <2FC1DDB64A1D4DBF93216B2DCE35ECDF at noneeb869fea9a>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Hi Tom,
While your concerns are valid, each test and each blind test taker are
different and as I have stated time and again, the examiners do not read
our
minds, so if you don't ask, they are not obligated to deliver. Test
preparation is paramount when applying for law school.
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

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and/or
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Internet,
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control.  Thank you.  

 

 



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
Behalf Of Tom Ladis
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:15 PM
To: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net; NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.  I
have

heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to
state 
exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely not
get 
it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing and
what 
might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have suggested
that

I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to double time,
more 
breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.  This may cause the
need

to appeal, but may get things that should be available to everybody.  It

doesn't seem right that every blind person trying to take the test
should go

through these same hoops, over and over again.  It also doesn't seem
like a 
level playing field when blind people need to take the test in a manner
that

introduces an additional distraction and more stress.



Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT


> In response to Tom-
>
>
>
> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer
> sheet
> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
> properly.
> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the 
> form
> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading 
> the
> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example,
I 
> was
> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra 
> breaks
> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My
reader
> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>
> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel
> free
> to contact me off list if you wish.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cathryn
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org 
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:20:05 -0500
From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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	reply-type=response

Good evening Tom and list.
Perhaps the law school testing agencies need to be instructed on the
recent 
court case against the Cal state board of bar examiners. If they are
smart, 
they will read the hand writing on the wall.
best regards
Rob Tabor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" 
<blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.
I 
> have heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC
to 
> state exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will
definitely 
> not get it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based
testing 
> and what might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have

> suggested that I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition
to 
> double time, more breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games. 
> This may cause the need to appeal, but may get things that should be 
> available to everybody.  It doesn't seem right that every blind person

> trying to take the test should go through these same hoops, over and
over 
> again.  It also doesn't seem like a level playing field when blind
people 
> need to take the test in a manner that introduces an additional 
> distraction and more stress.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> In response to Tom-
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer

>> sheet
>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
>> properly.
>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the 
>> form
>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading 
>> the
>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example,
I 
>> was
>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra 
>> breaks
>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My
reader
>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>
>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine.
Feel 
>> free
>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cathryn
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:28:48 -0500
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>,	"NFBnet Blind Law
Mailing
	List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Hello all.  Yes, they have been in trouble with accommodation issues and

need to step into the twenty-first century.  Computers are cheap now and

they should make the testing environment reflect current standard and 
adaptive technologies for everyone.

Tom .

----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Good evening Tom and list.
> Perhaps the law school testing agencies need to be instructed on the 
> recent court case against the Cal state board of bar examiners. If
they 
> are smart, they will read the hand writing on the wall.
> best regards
> Rob Tabor
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" 
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.
I 
>> have heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at
LSAC to 
>> state exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will
definitely 
>> not get it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based
testing 
>> and what might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people
have 
>> suggested that I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition
to 
>> double time, more breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.

>> This may cause the need to appeal, but may get things that should be 
>> available to everybody.  It doesn't seem right that every blind
person 
>> trying to take the test should go through these same hoops, over and
over 
>> again.  It also doesn't seem like a level playing field when blind
people 
>> need to take the test in a manner that introduces an additional 
>> distraction and more stress.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>>
>>
>>> In response to Tom-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The
answer 
>>> sheet
>>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
>>> properly.
>>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the 
>>> form
>>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading 
>>> the
>>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For
example, I 
>>> was
>>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra

>>> breaks
>>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
>>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their
approach, 
>>> you
>>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My 
>>> reader
>>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>>
>>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine.
Feel 
>>> free
>>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cathryn
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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for 
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:36:03 -0500
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
Message-ID: <A6CCD93D01F546128F25C193BF98F0AE at TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Sure, but I would guess that most people would be able to utilize
something 
more advanced and accessible than paper and pencil.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Hi Tom,
> While your concerns are valid, each test and each blind test taker are
> different and as I have stated time and again, the examiners do not
read 
> our
> minds, so if you don't ask, they are not obligated to deliver. Test
> preparation is paramount when applying for law school.
> John
>
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> -----Original Message-----
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On
> Behalf Of Tom Ladis
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:15 PM
> To: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net; NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.
I 
> have
>
> heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to
state
> exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely not
get
> it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing and
what
> might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have
suggested 
> that
>
> I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to double time,

> more
> breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.  This may cause
the 
> need
>
> to appeal, but may get things that should be available to everybody.
It
> doesn't seem right that every blind person trying to take the test
should 
> go
>
> through these same hoops, over and over again.  It also doesn't seem
like 
> a
> level playing field when blind people need to take the test in a
manner 
> that
>
> introduces an additional distraction and more stress.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> In response to Tom-
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer
>> sheet
>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form
>> properly.
>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the
>> form
>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading
>> the
>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example,
I
>> was
>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra
>> breaks
>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My
reader
>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>
>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine.
Feel
>> free
>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cathryn
>>
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From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com  Sat May  1 23:47:20 2010
From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
Message-ID: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi everybody,
 
I've been thinking about 508 compliance and maybe something NFB could push at the state level. I love how pretty much any document has to be 508-compliant on federal web sites (and I'm guessing state as well. Anyone know?) This is nice when you're trying to view a PDF. Unfortunately, there's a lot of web sites 9Barbri is one of them) who scan their PDF's onto the web site which JAWS will tell you the document is empty. So, we print the document out so we can read it. Has anyone thought of some kind of legislation or working with various web sites that post PDF's by scanning them in to make them 508 compliant, but on the private level? (What I mean is get a private 508 compliant law.) 
 
I bring this up because as a federal worker, I've been e-mailed PDF's that have been scanned in and I've had to ask for the original Word document so I could read it. OF course, every PDF form they put up there is 508-compliant before it's released. (A couple of weeks ago, there was something that wasn't compliant--it was for internal office use. I was able to obtain the Word version and one of the supervisors sent the PDF to the tech folks and told them to make it 508 compliant. That was nice of her, but we can't always expect there to be the Word version still lying around or for folks to not scan the document into Adobe.)
 
Any thoughts?
 
Mike


      

From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Sun May  2 00:15:11 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:15:11 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>

I'm having a problem with the same thing. I am unable to access this file. RJ
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun May  2 01:08:55 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 20:08:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
In-Reply-To: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Things are moving in that direction, but we don't get there all at 
once.  We have Section 508, which applies to Federal sites, at least 
in theory.  Several states, including here in Minnesota, have passed 
legislation that extend 508 and/or WCAG 2.0 to the state 
level.  While the ADA was passed prior to the web as we know it, some 
entities would fall under it, as far as the web goes, in terms of 
access to programs and services.  The Justice Department seems to be 
making noise like they will officially extend the ADA to the web.

In MN we just saw a law passed that requires accessibility in terms 
of all public records.  So, step by step things are getting covered.

Dave

At 06:47 PM 5/1/2010, you wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I've been thinking about 508 compliance and maybe something NFB 
>could push at the state level. I love how pretty much any document 
>has to be 508-compliant on federal web sites (and I'm guessing state 
>as well. Anyone know?) This is nice when you're trying to view a 
>PDF. Unfortunately, there's a lot of web sites 9Barbri is one of 
>them) who scan their PDF's onto the web site which JAWS will tell 
>you the document is empty. So, we print the document out so we can 
>read it. Has anyone thought of some kind of legislation or working 
>with various web sites that post PDF's by scanning them in to make 
>them 508 compliant, but on the private level? (What I mean is get a 
>private 508 compliant law.)
>
>I bring this up because as a federal worker, I've been e-mailed 
>PDF's that have been scanned in and I've had to ask for the original 
>Word document so I could read it. OF course, every PDF form they put 
>up there is 508-compliant before it's released. (A couple of weeks 
>ago, there was something that wasn't compliant--it was for internal 
>office use. I was able to obtain the Word version and one of the 
>supervisors sent the PDF to the tech folks and told them to make it 
>508 compliant. That was nice of her, but we can't always expect 
>there to be the Word version still lying around or for folks to not 
>scan the document into Adobe.)
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Mike



From tom at tomladis.com  Sun May  2 01:43:21 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:43:21 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
Message-ID: <2FDADB9B381844B1A38F2AF9A17B9A14@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

        Hello.  I used OpenBook to OCR the file and saved it as a Word file 
for you.  Maybe the process could be automated, somehow.  I'll have to give 
it some thought.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?


> I'm having a problem with the same thing. I am unable to access this file. 
> RJ


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From darlene.olsen at gmail.com  Sun May  2 01:55:40 2010
From: darlene.olsen at gmail.com (Darlene Olsen)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 18:55:40 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
Message-ID: <7425F4B439CD44A8ADEEE587EEDF3A43@DarleneOlsen>

Hi RJ,

   I am slightly confused, I opened the attached file and JAWS read it fine.
Thank You for the valuable information.
Respectfully,
Darlene Olsen

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  2 03:28:05 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:28:05 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
In-Reply-To: <7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
Message-ID: <E627FB3CBD5243F28C32994953AA07C8@spike>

The file was scanned in to a PDF document. When I ran it through Kurzweil it 
was read properly. If you need it I can send it back to you saved as a Word 
file.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?


> I'm having a problem with the same thing. I am unable to access this file. 
> RJ


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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  2 03:30:16 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:30:16 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
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References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <27042B34739E4849AA8A924A0CB9E5B6@spike>

To a certain extent depending on the quality of the scan they can be made 
accessible if you are using Kurzweil or Open Book software. However, any 
attempt to require the accessibility of documents is worth a try.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Gilmore" <m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:47 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?


Hi everybody,

I've been thinking about 508 compliance and maybe something NFB could push 
at the state level. I love how pretty much any document has to be 
508-compliant on federal web sites (and I'm guessing state as well. Anyone 
know?) This is nice when you're trying to view a PDF. Unfortunately, there's 
a lot of web sites 9Barbri is one of them) who scan their PDF's onto the web 
site which JAWS will tell you the document is empty. So, we print the 
document out so we can read it. Has anyone thought of some kind of 
legislation or working with various web sites that post PDF's by scanning 
them in to make them 508 compliant, but on the private level? (What I mean 
is get a private 508 compliant law.)

I bring this up because as a federal worker, I've been e-mailed PDF's that 
have been scanned in and I've had to ask for the original Word document so I 
could read it. OF course, every PDF form they put up there is 508-compliant 
before it's released. (A couple of weeks ago, there was something that 
wasn't compliant--it was for internal office use. I was able to obtain the 
Word version and one of the supervisors sent the PDF to the tech folks and 
told them to make it 508 compliant. That was nice of her, but we can't 
always expect there to be the Word version still lying around or for folks 
to not scan the document into Adobe.)

Any thoughts?

Mike



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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Sun May  2 03:48:57 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 23:48:57 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
	<2FDADB9B381844B1A38F2AF9A17B9A14@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
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Thank you.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
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Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?


>        Hello.  I used OpenBook to OCR the file and saved it as a Word file
> for you.  Maybe the process could be automated, somehow.  I'll have to 
> give
> it some thought.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>> I'm having a problem with the same thing. I am unable to access this 
>> file.
>> RJ
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From joramsey at cox.net  Sun May  2 12:12:25 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 08:12:25 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
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Hi Dave,
What is the cite for the section 508 you are talking about?
Thanks,
John

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:09 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?


Things are moving in that direction, but we don't get there all at 
once.  We have Section 508, which applies to Federal sites, at least 
in theory.  Several states, including here in Minnesota, have passed 
legislation that extend 508 and/or WCAG 2.0 to the state 
level.  While the ADA was passed prior to the web as we know it, some 
entities would fall under it, as far as the web goes, in terms of 
access to programs and services.  The Justice Department seems to be 
making noise like they will officially extend the ADA to the web.

In MN we just saw a law passed that requires accessibility in terms 
of all public records.  So, step by step things are getting covered.

Dave

At 06:47 PM 5/1/2010, you wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I've been thinking about 508 compliance and maybe something NFB
>could push at the state level. I love how pretty much any document 
>has to be 508-compliant on federal web sites (and I'm guessing state 
>as well. Anyone know?) This is nice when you're trying to view a 
>PDF. Unfortunately, there's a lot of web sites 9Barbri is one of 
>them) who scan their PDF's onto the web site which JAWS will tell 
>you the document is empty. So, we print the document out so we can 
>read it. Has anyone thought of some kind of legislation or working 
>with various web sites that post PDF's by scanning them in to make 
>them 508 compliant, but on the private level? (What I mean is get a 
>private 508 compliant law.)
>
>I bring this up because as a federal worker, I've been e-mailed
>PDF's that have been scanned in and I've had to ask for the original 
>Word document so I could read it. OF course, every PDF form they put 
>up there is 508-compliant before it's released. (A couple of weeks 
>ago, there was something that wasn't compliant--it was for internal 
>office use. I was able to obtain the Word version and one of the 
>supervisors sent the PDF to the tech folks and told them to make it 
>508 compliant. That was nice of her, but we can't always expect 
>there to be the Word version still lying around or for folks to not 
>scan the document into Adobe.)
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Mike


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From tom at tomladis.com  Sun May  2 14:19:23 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:19:23 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
	<7425F4B439CD44A8ADEEE587EEDF3A43@DarleneOlsen>
Message-ID: <9AA460E364E444ACBF9FD859BBD10DB1@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Hi Darlene,

I apologize.  I may have caused the confusion.  I converted the file and 
sent it back in my earlier response.  I probably should have asked if that 
was useful within the scope of the conversation before trying to be helpful. 
If you want to look at the initial file, I believe you can get it from the 
initial post.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darlene Olsen" <darlene.olsen at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?


> Hi RJ,
>
>   I am slightly confused, I opened the attached file and JAWS read it 
> fine.
> Thank You for the valuable information.
> Respectfully,
> Darlene Olsen
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 5:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
>
>
>> I'm having a problem with the same thing. I am unable to access this 
>> file. RJ
>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun May  2 23:29:18 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 18:29:18 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
In-Reply-To: <5FB3E0CD817849BF94D32C8940EDC868@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <auto-000150596741@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<5FB3E0CD817849BF94D32C8940EDC868@noneeb869fea9a>
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Section 508 is actually "Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act of 
1973, as amended."  You can go to

http://www.section508.gov

to get started.

Dave

At 07:12 AM 5/2/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Dave,
>What is the cite for the section 508 you are talking about?
>Thanks,
>John
>
>John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
>P.O. Box 6063
>
>Gainesville, FL 32627
>
>Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of David Andrews
>Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:09 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
>
>
>Things are moving in that direction, but we don't get there all at
>once.  We have Section 508, which applies to Federal sites, at least
>in theory.  Several states, including here in Minnesota, have passed
>legislation that extend 508 and/or WCAG 2.0 to the state
>level.  While the ADA was passed prior to the web as we know it, some
>entities would fall under it, as far as the web goes, in terms of
>access to programs and services.  The Justice Department seems to be
>making noise like they will officially extend the ADA to the web.
>
>In MN we just saw a law passed that requires accessibility in terms
>of all public records.  So, step by step things are getting covered.
>
>Dave
>
>At 06:47 PM 5/1/2010, you wrote:
> >Hi everybody,
> >
> >I've been thinking about 508 compliance and maybe something NFB
> >could push at the state level. I love how pretty much any document
> >has to be 508-compliant on federal web sites (and I'm guessing state
> >as well. Anyone know?) This is nice when you're trying to view a
> >PDF. Unfortunately, there's a lot of web sites 9Barbri is one of
> >them) who scan their PDF's onto the web site which JAWS will tell
> >you the document is empty. So, we print the document out so we can
> >read it. Has anyone thought of some kind of legislation or working
> >with various web sites that post PDF's by scanning them in to make
> >them 508 compliant, but on the private level? (What I mean is get a
> >private 508 compliant law.)
> >
> >I bring this up because as a federal worker, I've been e-mailed
> >PDF's that have been scanned in and I've had to ask for the original
> >Word document so I could read it. OF course, every PDF form they put
> >up there is 508-compliant before it's released. (A couple of weeks
> >ago, there was something that wasn't compliant--it was for internal
> >office use. I was able to obtain the Word version and one of the
> >supervisors sent the PDF to the tech folks and told them to make it
> >508 compliant. That was nice of her, but we can't always expect
> >there to be the Word version still lying around or for folks to not
> >scan the document into Adobe.)
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Mike



From APrevost at Sidley.com  Mon May  3 13:33:51 2010
From: APrevost at Sidley.com (Prevost, Ann Marie)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:33:51 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question
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If an organization wanted to give out tickets for theater performances
to visually impaired children at a discounted price, would there be some
sort of legal reason why the organization could not ask for some proof
of status such as an IEP or registration with the Commission for the
Blind? 


Ann Marie Prevost
Sidley Austin LLP
787 Seventh Avenue
New York, New York 10019
aprevost at sidley.com
212-839-5408 



 
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Mon May  3 15:50:01 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:50:01 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question
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No reason at all.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
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Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question


> If an organization wanted to give out tickets for theater performances
> to visually impaired children at a discounted price, would there be some
> sort of legal reason why the organization could not ask for some proof
> of status such as an IEP or registration with the Commission for the
> Blind?
>
>
> Ann Marie Prevost
> Sidley Austin LLP
> 787 Seventh Avenue
> New York, New York 10019
> aprevost at sidley.com
> 212-839-5408
>
>
>
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From APrevost at Sidley.com  Mon May  3 16:36:02 2010
From: APrevost at Sidley.com (Prevost, Ann Marie)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:36:02 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question
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Thank you!

-----Original Message-----
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No reason at all.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

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> If an organization wanted to give out tickets for theater performances
> to visually impaired children at a discounted price, would there be some
> sort of legal reason why the organization could not ask for some proof
> of status such as an IEP or registration with the Commission for the
> Blind?
>
>
> Ann Marie Prevost
> Sidley Austin LLP
> 787 Seventh Avenue
> New York, New York 10019
> aprevost at sidley.com
> 212-839-5408
>
>
>
>
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From johnrsheehan at yahoo.com  Mon May  3 17:03:20 2010
From: johnrsheehan at yahoo.com (John Sheehan)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:03:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question
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We provide our services for free to people who establish the need - blindness or low vision, or some other situation that makes it impossible for them to deal with traditional print. The gift or service in the question you ask is restricted - it is reasonable to ascertain that the qualification to receive the gift is met. 

 
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Xavier Society for the Blind
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From: "Prevost, Ann Marie" <APrevost at Sidley.com>
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 9:33:51 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question

If an organization wanted to give out tickets for theater performances
to visually impaired children at a discounted price, would there be some
sort of legal reason why the organization could not ask for some proof
of status such as an IEP or registration with the Commission for the
Blind? 


Ann Marie Prevost
Sidley Austin LLP
787 Seventh Avenue
New York, New York 10019
aprevost at sidley.com
212-839-5408 




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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  4 09:02:32 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 02:02:32 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question
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This type of criteria or similar is done all the time by nonprofit 
organizations with various populations. The recipient of the ticket or in 
this the child's guardian has the choice to provide the information as a 
condition of receiving the ticket.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
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> If an organization wanted to give out tickets for theater performances
> to visually impaired children at a discounted price, would there be some
> sort of legal reason why the organization could not ask for some proof
> of status such as an IEP or registration with the Commission for the
> Blind?
>
>
> Ann Marie Prevost
> Sidley Austin LLP
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> New York, New York 10019
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> 212-839-5408
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue May  4 16:48:56 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:48:56 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Disability Diversity in the Legal Profession: A Pledge
 for Change, WSBA Bar News, March 2010
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Link:
http://www.wsba.org/media/publications/barnews/mar10-diversity.htm

Text:
Disability Diversity in the Legal Profession: A Pledge for Change
by Emily Cooper Pura

January 18, 2010, marked the 27th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr. Day celebrations in this county. It was President Ronald Reagan who signed the holiday into law in 1983 to honor Dr. King for his nonviolent activism in the civil rights movement.

One of Dr. King's most powerful statements was, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." This is a principle that attorneys can identify with as we seek to promote all that is good and lasting in the justice system. That is why the ABA's most recent efforts to contribute to diversity efforts in the practice of law is so profound: it affects every one of us and the judicial system, even if we do not individually identify as having a disability.

In 2009, the ABA hosted the Second National Conference on the Employment of Lawyers with Disabilities. Out of this groundbreaking conference also came "A Report from the American Bar Association to the Legal Profession."

This report has far-reaching diversity implications affecting retention efforts of attorneys with disabilities practicing law, as well as employers and even law students with disabilities. The report includes information on the following topics:

* The status of lawyers and law students with disabilities, including statistics and surveys, and why we need lawyers with disabilities in the profession
* How to make the transition from law school to the workplace with a disability
* How and why you should recruit, hire, retain, and promote lawyers with disabilities
* Practical tips on how to make your place of employment both welcoming and legally compliant for those with disabilities
* Personal stories and anecdotes from lawyers with disabilities, including the first blind U.S. Supreme Court clerk, an associate general counsel, and an official from President Obama's White House staff

Another pivotal issue that came out of the conference and the subsequent report was the Pledge for Change. One of the primary purposes of the Conference was to encourage legal employers, including law firms and corporate counsels, to sign the "Disability Diversity in the Legal Profession: A Pledge for Change" (Pledge), in order to support disability diversity in the legal profession. In furthering its commitment to disability diversity in the legal profession, the ABA Commission is currently promoting the Pledge, a one-page commitment statement for legal employers to sign. The Pledge affirms the signatory's commitment to diversity, specifically disability diversity, and recognizes that diversity is in the best interest of the profession, those the profession serves, and the organization making the commitment. The Pledge also announces that the signatory will encourage others in the legal industry to make this commitment.

It is this pledge that I, as an attorney with a disability who works at Disability Rights Washington, ask each employer and law school to consider in the next year. The ABA is hoping to have all signatures gathered by 2011.

The Pledge for Change was created in response to the lack of lawyers with disabilities in the profession, and was the centerpiece of the Second ABA National Conference on the Employment of Lawyers with Disabilities held in June 2009. The ABA Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law will be leading the effort to have legal employers sign the Pledge for Change. If you are interested in collaborating with the Commission in having your employer or others sign the Pledge for Change, please contact William Phelan at:

    ABA Pledge for Change
    c/o William J. Phelan, IV, Esq.
    740 15th Street, NW, 9th Floor
    Washington, DC 20005-1022
    phelanw at staff.abanet.org
    202-662-1576 (phone)
    202-442-3439 (fax)

You may also review the Pledge for Change by going to www.abanet.org/disability/pledge.

In the time since the ABA issued its call to employers and universities to sign the Pledge for Change, nearly 50 (including several from Washington state) have signed the Pledge, showing their commitment to diversifying their workforces, specifically for lawyers with disabilities.

Association of Corporate Counsel
ABA General Practice, Solo and Small Firms Division
ABA Individual Rights and Responsibilities Section
ABA Section of Family Law
Adorno Yoss Caley Dehkhoda & Qadri
Arnall Golden Gregory LLP
Arnold & Porter LLP
Baker, Donelson, Bearman, Caldwell & Berkowitz, PC
Ballard Spahr LLP
Bar Association of San Francisco
Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP
Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund
Disability Rights Washington
Florida Costal School of Law
Fordham University School of Law
Frank Law Office, P.C.
The Goitia Law Firm, PL
Golden Gate University School of Law
Howard University School of Law
Ice Miller LLP
Kirkland & Ellis LLP
Learning Rights Law Center
Liberty University School of Law
Michigan State University College of Law
Morrison & Forster LLP
Phoenix School of Law
Quarles & Brady LLP
Schiff Hardin LLP
Schreiner Law Group PC
State Bar of Arizona
Statewide Legal Services of Connecticut, Inc.
Temple University Beasley School of Law
Texas Tech University School of Law
Towe, Ball, Enright, Mackey & Sommerfeld, P.L.L.P.
UCLA School of Law
Ulmer & Berne LLP
University of Buffalo Law School
University of Miami School of Law
University of New Mexico School of Law
University of North Carolina School of Law
University of the Pacific, McGeorge School of Law
University of South Dakota School of Law
University of Tulsa College of Law
University of Washington School of Law
Western New England College School of Law

Washington state has made important strides to support and increase diversity in the legal profession. In 2007, the WSBA Board of Governors adopted five Guiding Principles, one of which is to "advance and promote diversity, equality, and cultural understanding throughout the legal community." This commitment has been made possible through significant efforts by WSBA leadership in partnership with the various Minority Bar Associations, the WSBA Committee for Diversity, the Board of Governors Diversity Committee, and other stakeholders in the legal community and community at large. This commitment would be strengthened if more Washington state employers were to sign the Pledge. Please take a look at the Pledge and talk to your colleagues and your employer about committing to support disability diversity in the legal field by signing this one-page pledge.

Pledging to change the diversity of the legal profession ultimately upholds Dr. King's statement that "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

Emily Cooper Pura is a graduate of Seattle University School of Law. She has spent her legal career practicing in areas of public interest focusing on state and federal benefits law, as well as addressing the issues impacting individuals with disabilities. She works at Disability Rights Washington and also serves as a pro bono attorney with KCBA Volunteer Attorney for People with AIDS. Professional activities include serving on WSBA Committee for Diversity and Q-Law. Wilberforce Agyekum and Assistant Attorney General Maureen Mannix provided edits to this column.



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Wed May  5 14:12:37 2010
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 09:12:37 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Law Schools Discriminate Against Blind Applicants
Message-ID: <auto-000151064185@mailfront2.g2host.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org





Law Schools Discriminate Against Blind Applicants





National Federation of the Blind Files Complaints Against Nine Law Schools



Baltimore, Maryland (May 5, 2010): The National Federation of the 
Blind (NFB), the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind 
people, announced today that it has filed complaints with the United 
States Department of Justice, Civil Rights Division, requesting 
investigations of nine prominent law schools for violating the civil 
rights of blind and other print-disabled law school applicants.  The 
NFB filed the complaints because the law schools require applicants 
who wish to have the convenience of applying online to use a 
centralized Internet-based application process provided by the Law 
School Admissions Council (LSAC) through its Web site (www.lsac.org) 
that is inaccessible to blind law school applicants.  While sighted 
law school applicants can use the LSAC system to submit multiple law 
school applications at once, blind students must seek sighted 
assistance to use the LSAC system.  Title III of the Americans with 
Disabilities Act requires these law schools to offer equal access to 
their programs and services.  The nine law schools named in the 
complaints are The University of Chicago Law School, Yeshiva 
University's Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, Atlanta's John 
Marshall Law School, University of Denver's Sturm College of Law, 
Washington and Lee University School of Law, University of Miami 
School of Law, William Mitchell College of Law, Gonzaga University 
School of Law, and Northeastern University School of Law.  The 
complaints ask the Justice Department to require these law schools to 
suspend use of the LSAC application system until it is accessible to 
blind and other print-disabled students and to require each law 
school to provide the same application process in a format available 
to all students. The NFB already has a lawsuit pending against the 
LSAC for violating <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />California law by 
maintaining an inaccessible Web site.



Blind people access Web sites on computers equipped with screen 
access software that converts what is on the screen into synthesized 
speech or Braille.  The keyboard is used instead of a mouse to 
navigate the Web site and click on selected links or buttons.  If a

Web site is improperly coded, however, blind computer users cannot 
access or interact with the site.  The LSAC application process does 
not present information to screen access software and thus requires 
blind users to resort to sighted assistance.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "The National Federation of the Blind expects those who control 
admission to the practice of law to obey the law.  Forcing blind law 
school applicants to use a separate and inherently unequal 
application process violates both the letter and the spirit of the 
Americans with Disabilities Act and the Rehabilitation 
Act.  Accessibility standards for Web-based forms like those used in 
the Law School Admissions Council's application system have been in 
place for years and have been successfully implemented by many other 
Web sites, so there is no reason why the LSAC cannot make its 
application service available to blind law school applicants.  That 
is why we have asked the United States Department of Justice to act 
swiftly and decisively to ensure that blind law school applicants are 
treated the same as their sighted peers."



The National Federation of the Blind is represented in this matter by 
Daniel F. Goldstein and Mehgan Sidhu of the Baltimore firm Brown, 
Goldstein, and Levy; Laurence W. Paradis, Anna Levine, and Karla 
Gilbride of the Berkley firm Disability Rights Advocates; and Scott 
C. LaBarre of the Denver firm LaBarre Law Offices.





###





About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.


From info at michaelhingson.com  Thu May  6 00:29:25 2010
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 19:29:25 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB Reader Mobile At NFB National Convention
Message-ID: <auto-000151177709@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Hello everyone,

Once again this year the NFB and The Michael Hingson Group, Inc. will 
be selling the KnfbReader Mobile at our National convention.  We want 
to help you with your purchase should you wish to buy a Reader at the 
convention.

First, we will have plenty of KnfbReader Mobile systems available 
with either the Nokia N82 or the N86 hardware.

Second, all systems will be configured and ready to activate.  We 
will be happy to activate software for you in the exhibit hall when 
you purchase your KnfbReader Mobile.

Third, once again we shall be utilizing the NFB %3 low interest 
technology loan as a way to help you buy a KnfbReader Mobile should 
you not wish to use cash or a credit card to make your purchase 
directly at the convention.  Unfortunately, it will be difficult to 
approve and fund loans at the convention.  The chair of the Loan Fund 
committee has told me that due to time constraints the committee will 
not be able to meet and approve loans during the convention.  If you 
may be planning on using the loan fund to purchase a KnfbReader at 
the convention I would like to urge you to complete an application 
now rather than waiting until July.  If your application is approved 
you can simply order the Reader from us for delivery at the 
convention which will save shipping charges.  A link to the online 
loan application is available at 
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com 
near the bottom of the page.  In the field asking for the name of 
your dealer simply enter the words "NFB convention" should you plan 
to pick up your Reader at the convention.  I cannot emphasize enough 
the importance of completing the application now should you wish to 
use the loan fund to purchase a KnfbReader Mobile.  Curtis Chong, 
chair of the Loan Fund Committee tells me that any applications 
completed by late May should be funded by the convention.  The sooner 
you complete the application the faster your loan will be 
completed.  We cannot provide Readers to anyone who has not gone 
through the entire loan process and had their loan funded.  We shall 
be ready to help anyone complete an application at the convention, 
but there will be a delay in you receiving your KnfbReader Mobile.

Fourth, we will again be ready to answer any support questions of 
current users as well as helping you with any issues you may 
have.  Representatives of KNFB Technologies will also be on hand to 
answer your questions.

Finally, we are presently working on having a Reader users meeting 
sometime early in the convention.  More details will follow on this 
when they become available.

If anyone has any questions or wishes more information about the 
Reader please call me at (415) 827-4084 or email me at 
<mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com.  Please tell 
your friends and anyone you know about how they can see this great 
technology at the NFB convention.

All of us on the KnfbReader team look forward to serving you.  Thank 
you for your support.


Best,


Michael Hingson



The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
      "Speaking with Vision"
                  Michael Hingson, President
                          (415) 827-4084
                    <mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com
                    www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu May  6 16:01:35 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:01:35 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: New Job Announcements for the Civil Rights Division
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52AD969341@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 12:41 PM
To: jobs at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Jobs] FW: New Job Announcements for the Civil Rights Division



________________________________
From: Special Programs Vacancies [mailto:CRT.SpecProgVacancies at usdoj.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:28 PM
To: Petrie, Diane E (CRT)
Cc: Jin, Les (CRT); Johnson, Linda (CRT)
Subject: New Job Announcements for the Civil Rights Division
The Civil Rights Division (Division) would like to thank each of you for participating in our efforts to increase outreach to lawyers interested in working for the Division.  By agreeing to receive our attorney job announcements, you are helping to make sure we have the best lawyers we can find.  The application period for several of our lawyer positions will be closing within a week; and several others will close in the next few weeks.  If you have a convenient way to remind your constituents of the looming deadline, we would very much appreciate it.

The Division hopes to attract a broad and diverse pool of qualified applicants, and, to that end, encourages you to forward this information to any qualified applicants, including qualified applicants with disabilities, who may be interested in working for the Division.

For your convenience, all current Division job announcements are listed below.  Please also remind members of your organization that all our lawyer job announcements can always be found on the Division's homepage, http://www.justice.gov/crt/recruit.php.  In addition, if you know of other organizations that might want to receive our job announcements, please let them know the process is very simple.  They just need to send an email to CRT.SpecProgVacancies at usdoj.gov<mailto:CRT.SpecProgVacancies at usdoj.gov>.  There are no elaborate forms to fill out - just an email indicating that the organization wishes to receive future job listings and the e-mail address for us to contact them.  Please do not hesitate to let us know if you have suggestions on how we can improve our outreach efforts.  Thank you.
Employment Opportunities
The chart below includes the Civil Rights Division job opportunities currently available. Individuals interested in applying for these positions should comply with the applications procedures and closing dates in the vacancy announcement.



Position

Section

Grade

Salary

Closing Date



Attorney Advisor<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87885273>

Coordination and Review

GS-13/15

$89,033 - $155,500

5/7/2010

 New

Lead Accessibility Specialist<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87785227>

Disability Rights

GS-13

$89,033 - $115,742

5/11/2010

 New

Accessibility Specialist<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87785452>

Disability Rights

GS-11/12

$62,467 - $97,333

5/11/2010

 New

Paralegal Specialist<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87770566>

Appellate

GS-7/11

$42,409 - $81,204

5/13/2010

 New

Supervisory Accessibility Specialist<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87785208>

Disability Rights

GS-14

$105,211 - $136,771

5/14/2010

 New

Chief<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87315076>

Special Litigation

ES-0905-00/00

$119,554 - $179,700

5/18/2010

 New

Deputy Chief<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87315180>

Special Litigation

GS-15

$123,578 - $155,500

5/18/2010

 New

Deputy Chief<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87771518>

Voting

GS-15

$123,758 - $155,500

5/19/2010



Student Volunteer<http://www.justice.gov/crt/recruit_employ/pdo_student_volunteer.pdf>

Professional Development Office

volunteer

n/a

open until filled



Student Volunteer<http://www.justice.gov/crt/recruit_employ/volunteer_oaag.doc>

Office of the Assistant Attorney General

volunteer

n/a

open until filled


In addition, please direct your law school and undergraduate contacts to the Division's new Volunteer Internship Opportunities page, http://www.justice.gov/crt/vol_intern_opps.php, for information on available internships for the fall 2010 term.





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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu May  6 12:41:12 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 06:41:12 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] your help is needed
Message-ID: <DBC162D07F4E408598871BB0F1BF9523@labarre>

Greetings:

We are interested in talking to any blind/visually impaired college students who wish or plan to go to law school and who will be taking the Law School Admissions Test (LSAT).  However, our needs are even more specific than that.  The student needs to be a California resident and planning to attend a California law school.  Secondarily, we would like to talk to students who may not be a California resident but do wish/plan to attend a California law school.  Please contact me at the below information.
Thanks,  
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
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From rogerbaccus at gmail.com  Fri May  7 00:36:06 2010
From: rogerbaccus at gmail.com (Roger Baccus)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:36:06 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
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How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?


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Statement of Daniel F. Goldstein, Esq.
Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP


Before the United States House Committee on the Judiciary

Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights,
and Civil Liberties

on

Achieving the Promise of the Americans with Disabilities Act in the
Digital Age – Current Issues, Challenges, and Opportunities


Thursday April 22, 2010















Mr. Chairman, members of the Committee, thank you 
for inviting me here today.  As a partner in the 
Baltimore, Maryland law firm of Brown, Goldstein 
& Levy, LLP, I have been engaged in disability 
rights law, principally on behalf of the National 
Federation of the Blind (“NFB”), since 1986.  In 
1999, the NFB asked me to assist it in devising a 
strategy to promote the accessibility of digital 
information through education, negotiation and 
litigation.  I have devoted much of the last 11 years to that effort.
The ADA has played a valuable role in that 
undertaking, as we have worked to make websites, 
workplace software applications, ATMs, voting 
machines, cell phones and e-book reading devices 
accessible to people with vision and print disabilities.
The challenge is immense.  Digital information is 
everywhere, from consumer electronics and home 
appliances to the internet, computer screens and 
mobile devices to ticket kiosks and ATMs.  It is 
difficult to identify an activity in modern 
American life in which digital information does not play a role.
Because digital information is composed of zeros 
and ones, it is not inherently visual, aural or 
tactile but can be presented in any one or all of 
those modes with equivalent facility.  Thus, the 
ubiquitous use of digital information should be 
great news for those who cannot access print 
because of a disability – whether it’s a vision 
disability, a learning disability, an 
intellectual disability, or a manual impairment 
or spinal cord injury.  Similarly, digital 
information that was traditionally presented as 
speech can now produce mainstream accessibility 
for those with hearing impairments.
Sadly, however, the potential for the disability 
community to have mainstream and therefore equal 
access has not been realized.  So much electronic 
information is presented so that it is accessible 
only to one sense, resulting in persons with 
disabilities having unequal access and therefore 
being denied the opportunity for equal 
participation in all spheres of life.  Thus, to 
give you a homely example, something as simple as 
setting the thermostat in one’s house, which a 
blind person could formerly do by adding tactile 
markings to the dial that controlled the 
thermostat, is now an inaccessible 
activity.  Even though digital temperature 
controls could communicate both visually and 
audibly, most provide only visual information, 
leaving blind people worse off than before.

A.                The ADA and Public Accommodation Websites

The ADA is key to unlocking these doors.  Title 
III of the ADA applies to public accommodations, 
defined as 12 categories of commercial entities 
that interact with the public.  We believe both 
the intent and the language of the ADA cover 
websites and other digital information and 
services provided by those covered entities, 
regardless of whether those entities also operate brick-and-mortar locations.
In 1999, on behalf of the NFB, I filed suit in 
federal court in Massachusetts against America 
Online for violating Title III of the ADA by 
failing to make its service accessible to the 
blind.  The First Circuit had held in the context 
of insurance services that a public accommodation 
may be covered under Title III of the ADA without 
the activity being linked to a physical place of 
public accommodation.  We were anxious to follow 
that case law to its logical conclusion that 
websites that offer the services of a public 
accommodation, as delineated in Title III, are 
likewise covered by the ADA.  However, AOL 
quickly decided to make its website fully 
accessible, so the matter was settled without 
creating any judicial precedent.
In 2006, we filed suit against the Target 
Corporation over the inaccessibility of its 
website.  After the federal court in San 
Francisco ruled that the portions of the website 
that had a nexus to the physical stores were 
covered by the ADA,[1] Target settled and has 
since made its website fully accessible.[2]
Opponents of the application of Title III to 
commercial and educational websites might argue 
that some federal case law supports the 
proposition that e-commerce is outside the scope 
of the ADA.  There is a line of reasoning adopted 
in some circuits that a place of public 
accommodation, within the meaning of Title III, 
must be an “actual, physical” place.[3]  These 
courts have held that to state a claim under 
Title III, the plaintiff must allege either that 
there has been discrimination in a physical 
place, or that there is a “nexus” between the 
challenged act of discrimination and a physical 
place of public accommodation.  This approach 
stands in stark contrast to the more commonsense 
view adopted by several other circuits that the 
phrase “public accommodation” encompasses more 
than just physical structures.[4]
Most cases addressing the “place” argument have 
been in the context of insurance, considering 
whether the ADA’s non-discrimination requirements 
govern the substance of insurance policies.  None 
of the circuit courts adopting the “physical 
place” line of reasoning have addressed the 
precise question of whether public accommodations 
that operate through the internet or its websites 
are places of public accommodation under Title 
III. So we do not currently know what conclusion 
these circuits would reach on that issue.
In today’s increasingly online society, limiting 
the ADA (or any civil rights law) to only those 
businesses that operate in physical facilities 
would undermine the fundamental goals of civil 
rights.  Given that one of the essential purposes 
of Title III is to eliminate discrimination 
against people with disabilities in the basic, 
day-to-day activities that are a fundamental part 
of living and functioning in a community, it is 
hard to imagine that coverage would depend on 
whether a covered entity offers its services and 
goods in a physical location, door-to-door, by 
phone, or online.  In an age where hundreds of 
millions of Americans are increasingly using the 
internet every day to shop for groceries, plan 
their travel, conduct business, do their banking, 
attend college classes, and socialize with 
friends and family, it is undeniable that these 
websites are an indispensable part of basic, 
day-to-day life in the community.
Despite this obvious reality of life in the 
internet era, one district court, in Access Now 
v. Southwest Airlines Co. has erroneously 
extended the “physical place” line of reasoning 
to conclude that it would not apply Title III to 
prohibit discriminatory access to Southwest’s 
website where the plaintiff had failed to allege 
a “nexus” between the site and a physical, 
brick-and-mortar place.[5]  I have no doubt that 
the district court’s interpretation of Title III 
in the Southwest case was incorrect, and that a 
federal Court of Appeals squarely presented with 
the issue should reach the conclusion that Title 
III applies to goods and services provided over 
the internet.  But the fact that the district 
court strayed so far from Title III’s fundamental 
purpose was troubling, and is one of the reasons 
that I applaud the Committee’s decision to hold this hearing.
In light of Assistant Attorney General Perez’s 
affirmation last week that the Department of 
Justice continues to believe that public 
accommodations are covered by Title III even when 
they reach the public only via websites, it seems 
to me that the time has come to test this 
proposition in the courts as well as through the 
development of regulations by the Department of Justice.
Court cases aside, in the years since the 
internet has become a mainstay of American life, 
some advocates and covered entities have reached 
agreements about accessibility of internet 
sites.  Among the websites that have reached such 
agreements, variously, with the NFB, the American 
Council of the Blind and the New York and 
Massachusetts Offices of Attorney General 
are:  Amazon.com, Apple’s iTunes, Major League 
Baseball, CVS, Radio Shack, Rite Aid, Staples, 
Ramada Hotels, and Priceline.com.  Other 
companies with commercial websites have reached 
out proactively to secure certification from the 
NFB that their websites are accessible, including 
both large companies like G.E. and NewEgg and 
small businesses like my law firm.
These agreements and the Target case have had a 
positive impact in increasing website 
accessibility across the commercial industry.  A 
study of the top thirty-two online retailers’ 
websites that analyzed the websites’ 
accessibility one year before the Target decision 
and one year following the decision found a 
significant improvement in overall accessibility.[6]
Using the standards and tools provided by the 
ADA, we are seeing voice-guided ATMs and 
Accessible Point-of-Sale Machines.  In the case 
of the former, with the recent announcement by 
Bank of America that all of its ATMs now have 
voice-guidance and my settlement with the largest 
nonbank deployer of ATMs, Cardtronics, 
inaccessible ATMs are becoming the exception rather than the rule.
ATMs, however, provide an important lesson.  The 
technology to make ATMs accessible is older than 
the technology to make ATMs and the additional 
cost of accessibility in manufacturing and 
deploying ATMs is marginal.  However, delay by 
banks and other deployers of ATMs to comply with 
the ADA until the national fleet of ATMs was 
mature led to a tremendous and unnecessary 
increase in costs in retrofitting or replacing 
functioning inaccessible ATMs.  It also 
needlessly delayed the blind from having this 
convenience that so many rely on.
When new technologies find acceptance in the 
marketplace, their adoption and improvement often 
occurs with dizzying speed.  When accessibility 
is not built in from the outset, however, the 
disability community suffers significant 
competitive disadvantages whose later correction 
may come only as that technology is being 
replaced by something newer or better.  When a 
Microsoft offers first Windows Vista and then 
Windows 7 that were accessible from the day each 
went on the market, or Apple develops, as it has, 
a technology that allows the controls of its iPad 
to be accessible to the blind, this is cause for celebration.
The list of other technologies that have been 
accessible from their entry into the market, 
however, remains far too short.  Gratuitous 
barriers to accessibility are still the rule, not 
the exception.  Improved clarity about the 
application of the ADA to public accommodations 
operating over the internet will help.  As is 
demonstrated by the experience of educational 
institutions, once the purchasers of technology 
understand their obligations and insist on 
accessibility by their suppliers, accessibility becomes mainstreamed.

B.                Inaccessible Digital Information in Education

Nowhere is the impact of digital information felt 
more than in the field of education.  The impact 
is pronounced here, perhaps more than in any 
other sphere because digital information and 
electronic technology have the potential to 
change the game for students with print 
disabilities.  However, educational institutions 
are not meeting that potential.  For example, a 
2008 study that examined the accessibility of 
postsecondary education web pages found that 97% 
of the institutions in its sample contained 
significant accessibility barriers.[7]  The study 
examined only top or home pages of university 
websites, suggesting that the significant 
barriers are even more deeply entrenched than indicated by the study.
That the vast majority of educational 
institutions fail to recognize their obligations 
under the ADA to make their website information 
accessible is only the tip of the 
iceberg.  Reliance on online education is steeply 
increasing, with online enrollments growing 
substantially faster than overall higher 
education enrollments in the past six 
years.[8]  Meanwhile, digital books, course 
management systems, and other educational 
technologies have become an integral part of 
post-secondary education.  Many of these 
technologies are completely – and gratuitously – 
inaccessible to students and others with print disabilities.
While universities and institutions have often 
failed to appreciate their obligations under the 
ADA and their commercial power as consumers of 
educational technology, some positive examples of 
success demonstrate the kind of impact 
institutions can have if their obligations under 
the ADA are made clear and enforceable.

i.                   Universities and Amazon’s Kindle DX

In February 2009, the Kindle 2 was introduced 
with a read-out-loud feature, but with on-screen 
navigation that was not voiced and was therefore 
inaccessible to the blind.  The Association of 
American Publishers and the Authors Guild sought 
to have Amazon terminate this feature.  In 
response, the Reading Rights Coalition was 
formed, thirty-two nonprofits representing the 
print-disability community­including, among 
others, the blind, people with dyslexia and other 
learning disabilities, those with cerebral palsy, 
and those with upper spinal cord injuries.  The 
Coalition worked on one hand to protect the 
inclusion of Text-to-Speech while fighting to 
have Amazon allow its menus to talk and thus make the device accessible.
In May 2009, Amazon announced the launch of its 
Kindle DX e-book reader, which it had designed 
for educational use.  Because Amazon failed to 
include accessible navigational controls, the 
device was inaccessible to the blind.  Six 
colleges and universities simultaneously 
announced they would be deploying the Kindle DX 
during the 2009 – 2010 academic year.  The 
National Federation of the Blind and the American 
Council of the Blind filed a complaint in federal 
court against Arizona State University and filed 
complaints with the Department of Justice and 
Department of Education against the remaining 
schools (Pace University, Case Western Reserve 
University, Reed College, Princeton University, 
and the University of Virginia’s Darden School of 
Business).  These complaints alleged that by 
deploying the inaccessible Kindle, the colleges 
and universities violated their obligations under 
Titles II and III of the ADA to provide equal 
access to their services.  While sighted students 
would benefit from the instant access, 
notetaking, and other services of the Kindle, 
blind students would be left behind, forced to 
rely on separate methods of access that are 
significantly inferior to even the print textbook 
experience.  The complaint against the University 
of Virginia is still pending with the Department 
of Education, but the NFB, the ACB and the 
Department of Justice secured settlements with 
the other five schools under which those schools 
agreed, after the end of this semester, not to 
deploy inaccessible e-book readers.
While those complaints were pending, other 
universities stepped forward to publicly pledge 
they would not adopt e-book technologies on their 
campus – including the Kindle – unless and until 
they were accessible.  Those universities 
included Syracuse University, the University of 
Wisconsin and the University of Illinois.  In 
response to this pressure, Amazon announced that 
it would release a fully accessible Kindle in the 
summer of 2010.  And on March 9, 2010, the 
Reading Rights Coalition, the Association of 
American Publishers and the Authors Guild issued 
a joint statement, released on the White House 
blog, supporting mainstream accessibility when 
books are issued in formats other than print, 
such as e-books and audio books.[9]

ii.                 Libraries  and Adobe Digital Editions

Adobe Digital Editions is the leading commercial 
e-book format used by libraries and also the 
format that can be read on the inaccessible Sony 
e-book reader.  Until March 2009, Adobe e-books 
had been accessible to those who require speech 
to access text and who downloaded those books to 
a PC.  In March 2009, however, Adobe stopped 
support of that accessible system and switched to 
a new, inaccessible e-book platform, called Adobe 
Digital Editions.  As a result, numerous public 
library patrons with disabilities could no longer 
access their libraries’ digital collections.
Advocacy from the Burton Blatt Institute and the 
Reading Rights Coalition prompted the American 
Library Association to adopt a resolution 
strongly recommending that libraries ensure that 
all electronic resources they procure are 
accessible to people with 
disabilities.[10]  Shortly thereafter, the Los 
Angeles Public Library, responding to a letter 
from the Reading Rights Coalition, agreed to 
suspend future procurement of Adobe Digital 
Editions books until they are fully 
accessible.[11]  In response, Adobe announced 
that it would release an accessible Adobe Digital 
Editions in 2010.[12]  Thus, when institutional 
customers of technology, like libraries, act on 
their obligations under the ADA, the developers 
of those technologies find strong economic 
motivation to remove the barriers to accessibility.

iii.              California State University and BlackBoard

California State University succeeded in moving 
one of the leading course-management software 
systems, BlackBoard Learn, toward 
accessibility.  In the late-1990’s, the 
Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights 
launched an investigation into California State 
University campuses’ compliance with, among other 
statutes, Title II of the ADA.  In response, the 
Cal State system revamped its approach to 
providing access to students with disabilities 
and has become a leader and model for educational 
institutions to follow.  Specifically, rather 
than delegating accessibility obligations to an 
isolated Disability Student Services office, as 
most universities do, Cal State established a 
system-wide, coordinated approach to 
accessibility.  Under this approach, 
accessibility experts work closely with the 
University’s information officers to ensure that 
the technology the university employs is accessible.
Through this arrangement, Cal State requires that 
new technologies it procures be accessible to its 
students. When Cal State put out a request for 
proposals for new course management software, it 
turned down BlackBoard – the leading purveyor of 
course management software – because it did not 
meet Cal State’s accessibility 
requirements.  Since that time, BlackBoard has 
issued two new releases of its software that 
greatly enhance its accessibility.[13]

C.                 The Next Steps to Access to Technology

We are not even halfway there on making the 
internet accessible and in making accessible the 
technologies used in the workplace and offered 
through public accommodations, like educational 
institutions.  And, of course, new technologies 
continue to develop and flourish with astonishing 
speed.  The barriers to accessibility, however, 
are not the result, for the most part, of 
intractable technological issues and need not 
(and as a practical matter, would not) slow down 
innovation.  The biggest contributor to the 
growing accessibility gap continues to be a lack 
of commitment to making technology accessible.
The ADA was a tremendous normative statement of 
the importance we attach as a nation to equal 
opportunity without regard to disability.  But 
while the disability community has the 
responsibility to use the ADA and the other tools 
offered by federal and state laws, government 
must continue to make clear its commitment to 
that promise as well.  The National Broadband 
Plan, for example, states as one of its goals 
that “every American should have affordable 
access to robust broadband service, and the means 
and skills to subscribe if they so 
choose.”[14]  It envisions, among other things 
“improvements in public education through 
e-learning and online content” and improvements 
in health care through the expansion of 
“e-care.”[15]  Without concrete steps to build in 
accessibility at every stage and level, this 
promise to “every American” will not be 
realized.  Recognizing this, the National 
Broadband Plan specifically states that 
“hardware, software, services and digital content 
must be accessible and assistive technologies 
must be affordable.”[16]  The Plan calls on the 
federal government to be a model of 
accessibility, to specifically support innovation 
in accessibility, and to clarify and modernize 
its accessibility laws, enforcement efforts, and 
subsidy programs.  In that respect, the federal 
government has a long way to go, as it has failed 
to monitor and enforce the provisions of Section 
508 of the Rehabilitation Act.
The National Education Technology Plan, currently 
in draft form, addresses to some degree the need 
for Education Technology to be designed for 
mainstream accessibility for those with 
disabilities and we hope the final draft will be 
more robust.  However, recent draft rules 
regarding Health Information Technology fail to 
wholeheartedly incorporate 
accessibility.   Again, the federal government 
must make sure that the execution follows the good intentions.
Our milestones under the ADA thus far have been 
significant, but we remain far behind where we 
ought to be in an era that relies so 
intrinsically upon digital information.  The near 
future will only expedite the transition to 
digital information in critical sectors – 
including education, employment, health care, 
commerce and social life.  If we do not ensure 
that people with disabilities have equal access 
to digital information, they face exclusion from participation in our society.
The commitment we have already seen from the 
Department of Justice will take us nearer that 
goal. The Department of Education, Department of 
Health and Human Services, General Services 
Administration, Federal Communications 
Commission, and others have important 
opportunities to advance accessible technology as 
well.  There are good reasons to believe that the 
disability community, acting for itself and with 
the support of governmental entities, can make 
great strides toward the day that it no longer 
must settle for separate and unequal access to 
technology, but will have, instead, the same 
access to mainstream technology and thus an equal 
opportunity to participate in the educational, 
economic and social life of this country.

Thank you


[1]  Nat’l Fed’n of the Blind v. Target Corp., 
452 F.Supp.2d 946 (N.D. Cal 2006).
[2]  Nat’l Fed’n of the Blind, v. Target Corp., 
No. 3:06-cv-01802-MHP Doc. 210 (N.D. Cal. Mar. 9, 
2008) (final judgment and order approving settlement and dismissing claims).
[3]  See Weyer v. Twentieth Century Fox Film 
Corp., 198 F.3d 1104, 1114 (9th Cir. 2000) 
(concluding that places of public accommodation 
are “actual, physical places.”); see also Ford v. 
Schering-Plough Corp., 145 F.3d 601, 612–13 (3d 
Cir. 1998) (holding that plaintiff failed to 
allege a nexus between the place of public 
accommodation and the insurance benefits offered 
by the employer); Stoutenborough v. National 
Football League, 59 F.3d 580, 583–84 (6th Cir. 
1995) (affirming the dismissal of a claim under 
Title III because the challenged service, the 
live telecast of a football game, was not offered 
by a place of public accommodation, the stadium).
[4]  See Carparts Distribution Ctr., Inc. v. 
Automotive Wholesalers Assoc. of New England, 
Inc., 37 F.3d 12, 19–20 (1st Cir. 1994) (holding 
that “public accommodations” encompasses more 
than actual physical structures and includes the 
defendant insurance company); Doe v. Mutual of 
Omaha Ins. Co., 179 F.3d 557, 559 (7th Cir. 1999) 
(noting that a “place of public accommodation” 
encompasses facilities open to the public in both 
physical and electronic space, including websites).
[5]  Access Now, Inc. v. Southwest Airlines Co., 
227 F.Supp.2d 1312 (2002).  On appeal, the 11th 
Circuit dismissed the appeal without reaching the 
merits of the case, so the 11th Circuit has not 
yet addressed the issue.  See Access Now, Inc. v. 
Southwest Airlines Co., 385 F. 3d 1324 (11th Cir. 2004).
[6]  Jonathan Frank, "Web Accessibility for the 
Blind: Corporate Social Responsibility? or 
Litigation Avoidance?," pp.284, Proceedings of 
the 41st Annual Hawaii International Conference 
on System Sciences (HICSS 2008), 2008.
[7]  Project GOALS Evaluates 100 Pages in Higher 
Education for Accessibility Against Section 508 
Standard, NCDAE Newsletter, April 
2008.  Retrieved: http://ncdae.org/community/newsletter/april2008/
[8]  I. Elaine Allen and Jeff Seaman, Learning on 
Demand: Online Education in the United States, 
2009, Babson Survey Research Group, January 
2010.  Retrieved at: 
<http://www.sloan-c.org/publications/survey/pdf/learningondemand.pdf>http://www.sloan-c.org/publications/survey/pdf/learningondemand.pdf 


[9] http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/03/09/one-step-closer-full-access
[10]  Purchasing of Accessible Electronic 
Resources Resolution, American Library 
Association, July 15, 2009.  Retrieved at: 
<http://bbi.syr.edu/events/2009/docs/Purchasing_Accessible_%0bElectronic_Resources_Resolution_revised_52.doc>http://bbi.syr.edu/events/2009/docs/Purchasing_Accessible_
<http://bbi.syr.edu/events/2009/docs/Purchasing_Accessible_%0bElectronic_Resources_Resolution_revised_52.doc>Electronic_Resources_Resolution_revised_52.doc.
[11]  Letter to Eve Hill from Martin Gomez, 
August 31, 
2009.  <http://www.readingrights.org/477>http://www.readingrights.org/477
[12]  Bill McCoy, Adobe eBooks - Update on 
Accessibility Support, October 8, 2009. 
<http://blogs.adobe.com/billmccoy/2009/10/adobe-ebooks--.html>http://blogs.adobe.com/billmccoy/2009/10/adobe-ebooks--.html
[13]  National Federation of the Blind and 
Blackboard to Demonstrate New Accessibility 
Features at CSUN, March 25, 2010. 
<http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=566>http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=566 

[14] 
http://www.broadband.gov/plan/executive-summary/ (“National Broadband Plan”).
[15]  Id.
[16]  National Broadband Plan at 181 (“Addressing 
Issues of Accessibility for Broadband Adoption and Utilization”).

From joramsey at cox.net  Fri May  7 07:13:13 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 03:13:13 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB Reader Mobile At NFB National Convention
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Hello,
Does anyone know a vendor who still sells the WayFinder GPS Software? If so,
please send me the contact information.
Cordially,
John

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Hingson (by way of David Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:29 PM
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB Reader Mobile At NFB National Convention


Hello everyone,

Once again this year the NFB and The Michael Hingson Group, Inc. will 
be selling the KnfbReader Mobile at our National convention.  We want 
to help you with your purchase should you wish to buy a Reader at the 
convention.

First, we will have plenty of KnfbReader Mobile systems available 
with either the Nokia N82 or the N86 hardware.

Second, all systems will be configured and ready to activate.  We 
will be happy to activate software for you in the exhibit hall when 
you purchase your KnfbReader Mobile.

Third, once again we shall be utilizing the NFB %3 low interest 
technology loan as a way to help you buy a KnfbReader Mobile should 
you not wish to use cash or a credit card to make your purchase 
directly at the convention.  Unfortunately, it will be difficult to 
approve and fund loans at the convention.  The chair of the Loan Fund 
committee has told me that due to time constraints the committee will 
not be able to meet and approve loans during the convention.  If you 
may be planning on using the loan fund to purchase a KnfbReader at 
the convention I would like to urge you to complete an application 
now rather than waiting until July.  If your application is approved 
you can simply order the Reader from us for delivery at the 
convention which will save shipping charges.  A link to the online 
loan application is available at 
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com 
near the bottom of the page.  In the field asking for the name of 
your dealer simply enter the words "NFB convention" should you plan 
to pick up your Reader at the convention.  I cannot emphasize enough 
the importance of completing the application now should you wish to 
use the loan fund to purchase a KnfbReader Mobile.  Curtis Chong, 
chair of the Loan Fund Committee tells me that any applications 
completed by late May should be funded by the convention.  The sooner 
you complete the application the faster your loan will be 
completed.  We cannot provide Readers to anyone who has not gone 
through the entire loan process and had their loan funded.  We shall 
be ready to help anyone complete an application at the convention, 
but there will be a delay in you receiving your KnfbReader Mobile.

Fourth, we will again be ready to answer any support questions of 
current users as well as helping you with any issues you may 
have.  Representatives of KNFB Technologies will also be on hand to 
answer your questions.

Finally, we are presently working on having a Reader users meeting 
sometime early in the convention.  More details will follow on this 
when they become available.

If anyone has any questions or wishes more information about the 
Reader please call me at (415) 827-4084 or email me at 
<mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com.  Please tell 
your friends and anyone you know about how they can see this great 
technology at the NFB convention.

All of us on the KnfbReader team look forward to serving you.  Thank 
you for your support.


Best,


Michael Hingson



The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
      "Speaking with Vision"
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                          (415) 827-4084
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From goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  7 12:48:35 2010
From: goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net (Sarah Clark)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 05:48:35 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
Message-ID: <00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>

Hi Roger,
The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and expected 
that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my experience, 
at least in so far as reading letters and other similar documents which 
contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as accurate as the 
regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I received it, I was 
reading something with it and my husband walked into the room, overheard it 
reading, and was blown away on how well it had recognized the text.  I've 
also used it to read receipts and check cooking directions on packages.
Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't comment 
on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially 
formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would 
seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as Kursweil 
does.

Sarah


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like 
> it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
> _______________________________________________
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> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From mike.sandi at att.net  Fri May  7 14:52:06 2010
From: mike.sandi at att.net (Michael Groat)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:52:06 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
	<00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
Message-ID: <4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT>

Roger,
I have a KNFB Reader along with two of my friends.  We all enjoy using it.
There is a slight learning curve, but the rewards are well worth it. I have
used it to read documents, restaurant menus, etc.  

I demonstrated it to my Low Vision Specialist.  She gave me a small box,
about 1 by 3 inches with very small writing on it.  She was totally
surprised that it was able to read the very small lettering.  

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Sarah Clark
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 5:49 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

Hi Roger,
The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and expected

that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my experience, 
at least in so far as reading letters and other similar documents which 
contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as accurate as the 
regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I received it, I was 
reading something with it and my husband walked into the room, overheard it 
reading, and was blown away on how well it had recognized the text.  I've 
also used it to read receipts and check cooking directions on packages.
Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't comment 
on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially 
formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would 
seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as Kursweil 
does.

Sarah


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like 
> it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
http://www.rogerbaccus.com
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From garymelc at msn.com  Fri May  7 20:03:24 2010
From: garymelc at msn.com (gary melconian)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:03:24 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] your help is needed
In-Reply-To: <DBC162D07F4E408598871BB0F1BF9523@labarre>
References: <DBC162D07F4E408598871BB0F1BF9523@labarre>
Message-ID: <BAY148-ds11E5D0A983B335701AF08CFF60@phx.gbl>

Hello scot, how are you doing. I will be looking at law school for  the 2011
or 2012 year in California. I may either look at either online or
traditional since  I am already in my area  of profession and I just need to
have law as more enhancement to my areas of expertise in accounting and
fiannce. I have contacted you at your office but I did not get an answer so
I left a voice mail. I look forward to being  able to  help out.  
Sincerely Yours:
Gary Melconian, MBA
Cell: 818-731-3949 


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Scott C. LaBarre
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:41 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; NFBnet Blind Law
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Subject: [blindlaw] your help is needed

Greetings:

We are interested in talking to any blind/visually impaired college students
who wish or plan to go to law school and who will be taking the Law School
Admissions Test (LSAT).  However, our needs are even more specific than
that.  The student needs to be a California resident and planning to attend
a California law school.  Secondarily, we would like to talk to students who
may not be a California resident but do wish/plan to attend a California law
school.  Please contact me at the below information.
Thanks,  
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

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From stevep.deeley at insightbb.com  Fri May  7 22:39:11 2010
From: stevep.deeley at insightbb.com (Steve P. Deeley)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:39:11 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
	<00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
	<4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT>
Message-ID: <C513392ED3284B3DBAF41CDD94843D27@StevePC>

What is the cost of the device?
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Groat" <mike.sandi at att.net>
To: "'Roger Baccus'" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>; "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing 
List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Roger,
> I have a KNFB Reader along with two of my friends.  We all enjoy using it.
> There is a slight learning curve, but the rewards are well worth it. I 
> have
> used it to read documents, restaurant menus, etc.
>
> I demonstrated it to my Low Vision Specialist.  She gave me a small box,
> about 1 by 3 inches with very small writing on it.  She was totally
> surprised that it was able to read the very small lettering.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sarah Clark
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 5:49 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
> Hi Roger,
> The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and 
> expected
>
> that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my experience,
> at least in so far as reading letters and other similar documents which
> contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as accurate as the
> regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I received it, I was
> reading something with it and my husband walked into the room, overheard 
> it
> reading, and was blown away on how well it had recognized the text.  I've
> also used it to read receipts and check cooking directions on packages.
> Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't 
> comment
> on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially
> formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would
> seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as 
> Kursweil
> does.
>
> Sarah
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like
>> it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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> obal.net
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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Sun May  9 01:12:43 2010
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:12:43 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus><00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2><4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT>
	<C513392ED3284B3DBAF41CDD94843D27@StevePC>
Message-ID: <CC6AB4AEB06D46D2AD2361D4230381D3@valtd>

Steve, the KNFB Reader for the Symbian phones is $995; occasionally, special 
prices are offered.  Some folks sell theirs on the blindness-related buy and 
sell mailing lists for a lot less.

The price given above DOES NOT include the cost of the phone on which you 
can use the reader.  If you add the phone's cost, you can expect to pay 
close to $1,300 or a bit more.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun May  9 03:06:05 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 22:06:05 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB Reader Mobile At NFB National Convention
In-Reply-To: <0E0714D8BF3E42109D2E4D699C892191@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <auto-000151177709@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<0E0714D8BF3E42109D2E4D699C892191@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <auto-000152669823@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Even if you can still buy it, it is doubtful as to whether or not you 
would want to.  The maker has announced they are discontinuing 
support in the near future.  There are those who are negotiating to 
have the product continued in some manner, but the jury is still 
out.  For most people, Points of Interest stopped working a couple 
weeks ago, and for me, as of a couple days ago, everything stopped 
working.  So, it may already be gone!

Dave

At 02:13 AM 5/7/2010, you wrote:
>Hello,
>Does anyone know a vendor who still sells the WayFinder GPS Software? If so,
>please send me the contact information.
>Cordially,
>John



From rogerbaccus at gmail.com  Sun May  9 10:35:26 2010
From: rogerbaccus at gmail.com (Roger Baccus)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 06:35:26 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
	<00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
Message-ID: <0EA994957C3047858C9CE30A70854F93@rogerbaccus>

My counselor feels that it is a good thing to have. However, she does not 
see it as essential for my job. I can't come up with impelling reasons to 
justify it. I am sure that Although I don't possess OpenBook or equivalent, 
I do have access to scan material at work.

Here is the response from rehab.

***

Roger,



I appreciate your request for a KNFB Reader but I'm still not clear on what 
print would need to be read while you are at a conference or other venue. 
Would you be given new printed material without explanation?  Do you have a 
scanner and software (like Open Book) that you are using now at ULVA and/or 
at home to access printed material?  Also, if you are at a conference and 
given information (such as would be on a business card or brochure) could 
you keep it to scan at the office?  If someone is giving you information at 
a conference you can put it right into the MPower including contact names 
and phone numbers or you could save their business card to scan and save 
later at work right?  If you are listening to a presentation at a conference 
you can record the notes in the MPower.  The hand-outs at conferences are 
usually the same information that is presented verbally and could be scanned 
and saved when back at the office.  I agree that shopping without access to 
print is a little more challenging but we have to relate it to a work need. 
I'm trying to figure out if using the Mpower and existing equipment if you 
can find a way to accommodate.  Can you give me more explanation?



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Hi Roger,
> The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and 
> expected that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my 
> experience, at least in so far as reading letters and other similar 
> documents which contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as 
> accurate as the regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I 
> received it, I was reading something with it and my husband walked into 
> the room, overheard it reading, and was blown away on how well it had 
> recognized the text.  I've also used it to read receipts and check cooking 
> directions on packages.
> Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't 
> comment on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially 
> formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would 
> seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as 
> Kursweil does.
>
> Sarah
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like 
>> it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> blindlaw:
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>
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From r.g.munro at gmail.com  Sun May  9 14:42:42 2010
From: r.g.munro at gmail.com (Robert Munro)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:42:42 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <0EA994957C3047858C9CE30A70854F93@rogerbaccus>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
	<00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
	<0EA994957C3047858C9CE30A70854F93@rogerbaccus>
Message-ID: <2DE10DA9-E1E3-4963-935C-41B652068185@gmail.com>

How about being handed documents at the last minute in court or at a negotiation or board meeting?  Also, meeting with a client who has not prepaired in advance: having the KNFB Reader would let you read any documents the client had quickly, rather than having the client read them or having to wait until you got back to the office.

On May 9, 2010, at 6:35 AM, Roger Baccus wrote:

> My counselor feels that it is a good thing to have. However, she does not see it as essential for my job. I can't come up with impelling reasons to justify it. I am sure that Although I don't possess OpenBook or equivalent, I do have access to scan material at work.
> 
> Here is the response from rehab.
> 
> ***
> 
> Roger,
> 
> 
> 
> I appreciate your request for a KNFB Reader but I'm still not clear on what print would need to be read while you are at a conference or other venue. Would you be given new printed material without explanation?  Do you have a scanner and software (like Open Book) that you are using now at ULVA and/or at home to access printed material?  Also, if you are at a conference and given information (such as would be on a business card or brochure) could you keep it to scan at the office?  If someone is giving you information at a conference you can put it right into the MPower including contact names and phone numbers or you could save their business card to scan and save later at work right?  If you are listening to a presentation at a conference you can record the notes in the MPower.  The hand-outs at conferences are usually the same information that is presented verbally and could be scanned and saved when back at the office.  I agree that shopping without access to print is a little more challenging but we have to relate it to a work need. I'm trying to figure out if using the Mpower and existing equipment if you can find a way to accommodate.  Can you give me more explanation?
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
> 
> 
>> Hi Roger,
>> The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and expected that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my experience, at least in so far as reading letters and other similar documents which contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as accurate as the regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I received it, I was reading something with it and my husband walked into the room, overheard it reading, and was blown away on how well it had recognized the text.  I've also used it to read receipts and check cooking directions on packages.
>> Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't comment on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as Kursweil does.
>> 
>> Sarah
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>> 
>> 
>>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/goldflash9%40sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
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> 
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From stevep.deeley at insightbb.com  Sun May  9 16:07:54 2010
From: stevep.deeley at insightbb.com (Steve P. Deeley)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 12:07:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <CC6AB4AEB06D46D2AD2361D4230381D3@valtd>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
	<00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
	<4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT>
	<C513392ED3284B3DBAF41CDD94843D27@StevePC>
	<CC6AB4AEB06D46D2AD2361D4230381D3@valtd>
Message-ID: <94BBA24812EA4974A560B27B9EBEA173@StevePC>

Thank you.  That sounds reasonable.  What cell phone service can you use 
with this reader?
Steve

Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Steve, the KNFB Reader for the Symbian phones is $995; occasionally, 
> special
> prices are offered.  Some folks sell theirs on the blindness-related buy 
> and
> sell mailing lists for a lot less.
>
> The price given above DOES NOT include the cost of the phone on which you
> can use the reader.  If you add the phone's cost, you can expect to pay
> close to $1,300 or a bit more.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
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From cathrynisfinally at verizon.net  Sun May  9 20:26:23 2010
From: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net (Cathryn Bonnette)
Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 16:26:23 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <CC6AB4AEB06D46D2AD2361D4230381D3@valtd>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus><00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2><4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT>
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Hello- 
I'm Cathryn, and I'm just figuring out that I sort of skipped the
introduction phase and just started on this list.  Anyway, however
belatedly, I lost the last of my eye sight about 4 years ago, close to
completing grad school. I'm still figuring out all of the consequences of
living in a very different world. I had experienced partial sight
previously, and began working with guide dogs years ago. My current partner
is a 50 lb. shepherd who transitioned beautifully from being an easy going
"California girl" to dealing with grid lock at rush hour in Washington DC. I
definitely used every bit of vision I had as long as possible. Relearning
everything is a challenge, and slow going.
OK, sorry if this is too long. I'm just wondering what "blindness-related
buy and sell mailing lists" are  (?) Could someone provide some examples. I
would consider getting one of these readers if the price was lower.

Thanks in advance for responding. 

Cathryn (& Abby)

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:13 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

Steve, the KNFB Reader for the Symbian phones is $995; occasionally, special

prices are offered.  Some folks sell theirs on the blindness-related buy and

sell mailing lists for a lot less.

The price given above DOES NOT include the cost of the phone on which you 
can use the reader.  If you add the phone's cost, you can expect to pay 
close to $1,300 or a bit more.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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From dravant at ameritech.net  Sun May  9 22:55:37 2010
From: dravant at ameritech.net (denise avant)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 17:55:37 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW:  KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
Message-ID: <001001caefca$bd903fa0$38b0bee0$@net>

Hello,
I have a knfb reader. Sometimes, when you go to conferences, there are
unexpected handouts that need to be read. If you had a reader, you could
snap the picture, and have it in real time along with your sighted
colleagues. 
If you're traveling to a hotel because of a conference, and don't have
sighted assistance in your room, you use the mobile reader to find out what
print materials are there.
These are job related activities. Why should you have to hunt down someone
to read to you on the spot if there is a portable solution that can help?
The braillenote, which I have is good, but it cannot substitute when you
need material read to you on the spot.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Roger Baccus
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 5:35 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: R B
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

My counselor feels that it is a good thing to have. However, she does not 
see it as essential for my job. I can't come up with impelling reasons to 
justify it. I am sure that Although I don't possess OpenBook or equivalent, 
I do have access to scan material at work.

Here is the response from rehab.

***

Roger,



I appreciate your request for a KNFB Reader but I'm still not clear on what 
print would need to be read while you are at a conference or other venue. 
Would you be given new printed material without explanation?  Do you have a 
scanner and software (like Open Book) that you are using now at ULVA and/or 
at home to access printed material?  Also, if you are at a conference and 
given information (such as would be on a business card or brochure) could 
you keep it to scan at the office?  If someone is giving you information at 
a conference you can put it right into the MPower including contact names 
and phone numbers or you could save their business card to scan and save 
later at work right?  If you are listening to a presentation at a conference

you can record the notes in the MPower.  The hand-outs at conferences are 
usually the same information that is presented verbally and could be scanned

and saved when back at the office.  I agree that shopping without access to 
print is a little more challenging but we have to relate it to a work need. 
I'm trying to figure out if using the Mpower and existing equipment if you 
can find a way to accommodate.  Can you give me more explanation?



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Hi Roger,
> The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and 
> expected that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my 
> experience, at least in so far as reading letters and other similar 
> documents which contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as 
> accurate as the regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I 
> received it, I was reading something with it and my husband walked into 
> the room, overheard it reading, and was blown away on how well it had 
> recognized the text.  I've also used it to read receipts and check cooking

> directions on packages.
> Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't 
> comment on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially 
> formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would 
> seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as 
> Kursweil does.
>
> Sarah
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like 
>> it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  9 23:33:47 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:33:47 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <5CC2A076997A4D1881D8CA9299D7E820@14bd0130080a469>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus><00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2><4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT><C513392ED3284B3DBAF41CDD94843D27@StevePC><CC6AB4AEB06D46D2AD2361D4230381D3@valtd>
	<5CC2A076997A4D1881D8CA9299D7E820@14bd0130080a469>
Message-ID: <31973121CB5B4120A13629FCD3569C14@spike>

Actually while the price of the KNFB reader is high there are ways to 
finance it through the NFB so you don't have to run up credit card bills.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
To: "'Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.'" <ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com>; 
"'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Hello-
> I'm Cathryn, and I'm just figuring out that I sort of skipped the
> introduction phase and just started on this list.  Anyway, however
> belatedly, I lost the last of my eye sight about 4 years ago, close to
> completing grad school. I'm still figuring out all of the consequences of
> living in a very different world. I had experienced partial sight
> previously, and began working with guide dogs years ago. My current 
> partner
> is a 50 lb. shepherd who transitioned beautifully from being an easy going
> "California girl" to dealing with grid lock at rush hour in Washington DC. 
> I
> definitely used every bit of vision I had as long as possible. Relearning
> everything is a challenge, and slow going.
> OK, sorry if this is too long. I'm just wondering what "blindness-related
> buy and sell mailing lists" are  (?) Could someone provide some examples. 
> I
> would consider getting one of these readers if the price was lower.
>
> Thanks in advance for responding.
>
> Cathryn (& Abby)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:13 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
> Steve, the KNFB Reader for the Symbian phones is $995; occasionally, 
> special
>
> prices are offered.  Some folks sell theirs on the blindness-related buy 
> and
>
> sell mailing lists for a lot less.
>
> The price given above DOES NOT include the cost of the phone on which you
> can use the reader.  If you add the phone's cost, you can expect to pay
> close to $1,300 or a bit more.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  9 23:52:29 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:52:29 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Department of Labor releases on line tool to understand
	nondiscrimination under disability laws
Message-ID: <BE01C9CE56904DC4A02AB75762458B45@spike>

US Labor Department helps employers understand responsibilities under disability nondiscrimination laws
News Release
OASP News Release: [05/04/2010]
Contact Name: Lina Garcia 
Phone Number: (202) 693-4661
Release Number: 10-0562-NAT


New online tool helps further equality and full access for people with disabilities


WASHINGTON ?? The U.S. Department of Labor today unveiled a new tool to help America's employers ensure their employment policies and practices do not discriminate against qualified individuals with disabilities.


"Today, we made it easier for employers of all sizes to access the talents of the 36 million Americans with disabilities, " said Assistant Secretary of Labor for Disability Employment Policy Kathleen Martinez. "By providing this interactive and easy-to-use online tool, both workers and employers can readily access and understand their rights and responsibilities under our federal disability nondiscrimination laws." 


The online Disability Nondiscrimination Law Advisor, available at 
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/ odep.htm, helps employers quickly and simply determine which federal disability nondiscrimination laws apply to their business or organization and their responsibilities under them. It asks users to answer a few relevant questions in order to take into account relevant variables, such as nature of organization, size of staff and whether the business or organization receives federal financial assistance. Based on the responses provided, the advisor then generates a customized list of federal disability nondiscrimination laws that likely apply, along with easy-to-understand information about employers' responsibilities under them. 


The laws addressed by the Disability Nondiscrimination Law Advisor include:


Titles I and II of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 
Section 188 of the Workforce Investment Act of 1998 
Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended (as it pertains to federal financial assistance) 


Section 503 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended 
The Vietnam Era Veterans' Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974, as amended 
The advisor also can help employees, job applicants and people applying for or participating in federally funded programs learn more about their rights under these laws. In addition, it includes a Guide on Employing People with Disabilities that outlines resources available to help employers comply with disability nondiscrimination laws.


The Disability Nondiscrimination Law Advisor is one of a series of Employment Laws Assistance for Workers and Small Businesses, or "elaws," Advisors developed by the Labor Department's Office of the Assistant Secretary for Policy, working with other department agencies, to help employers and employees understand federal employment laws. To access this set of advisors, visit the elaws website at 
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/. To learn more about the Labor Department's efforts to increase employment opportunities for people with disabilities, visit 
http://www.dol.    gov/odep.

From joramsey at cox.net  Mon May 10 06:26:05 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 02:26:05 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <5CC2A076997A4D1881D8CA9299D7E820@14bd0130080a469>
Message-ID: <1FDE88FD52684712B77832AD1743F582@noneeb869fea9a>

Hi Katherine,
There is a blind assistive aids site called blind attic If that is not
correct maybe someone on the list will be able to correct me. Also, thank
you for the introduction. What program are you doing in grad school?
Take care,
John

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P.O. Box 6063

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Cathryn Bonnette
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 4:26 PM
To: 'Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.'; 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing
List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


Hello- 
I'm Cathryn, and I'm just figuring out that I sort of skipped the
introduction phase and just started on this list.  Anyway, however
belatedly, I lost the last of my eye sight about 4 years ago, close to
completing grad school. I'm still figuring out all of the consequences of
living in a very different world. I had experienced partial sight
previously, and began working with guide dogs years ago. My current partner
is a 50 lb. shepherd who transitioned beautifully from being an easy going
"California girl" to dealing with grid lock at rush hour in Washington DC. I
definitely used every bit of vision I had as long as possible. Relearning
everything is a challenge, and slow going. OK, sorry if this is too long.
I'm just wondering what "blindness-related buy and sell mailing lists" are
(?) Could someone provide some examples. I would consider getting one of
these readers if the price was lower.

Thanks in advance for responding. 

Cathryn (& Abby)

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:13 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

Steve, the KNFB Reader for the Symbian phones is $995; occasionally, special

prices are offered.  Some folks sell theirs on the blindness-related buy and

sell mailing lists for a lot less.

The price given above DOES NOT include the cost of the phone on which you 
can use the reader.  If you add the phone's cost, you can expect to pay 
close to $1,300 or a bit more.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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From mtarley at gmail.com  Mon May 10 18:49:14 2010
From: mtarley at gmail.com (M T)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:49:14 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Roger,
I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool
in everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently
have my own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and
one of the barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client
paperwork and giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I
use the KNFB Reader in front of them and show them that I can read
their paperwork right then and there and render them a preliminary
opinion, they are quite impressed. This little device has been
extremely helpful in allowing me to more efficiently practice law.
Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is extremely accurate at
reading not only documents and books but I can take saved documents
that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them while in
transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
offers another level of independence and shows others that there is
nothing that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also
since you can adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and
assimilate information faster than the average person. So far there
has not been a document that the KNFB Reader has not been able to
process. This device has made a huge difference in my life and I am
confident it will fit your needs. I wish you luck in your endeavor to
acquire one and if you need any assistance, perhaps in composing a
letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would be glad to
help you. Best of luck.

Michelle


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> wrote:
> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
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-- 
Michelle Tarley, Esq.
Attorney At Law

 "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing”
                                               -- Helen Keller


From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Mon May 10 19:35:17 2010
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:35:17 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <1FDE88FD52684712B77832AD1743F582@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <49B2BA65C58D41BA8677B567B2BE0902@valtd>

Hello Roger:

If you are at a conference and there is a need for you to be able to 
identify paper money, it is my understanding that the KNFB Reader will work 
for this purpose as well.  I don't have the reader and as such I can't put 
it through its paces in this regard.  However, I've read on other mailing 
lists that folks have been able to use it to identify paper money and even 
their hotel room numbers.

There are other similar technologies competing with the KNFB Reader.  One is 
the BeyoCBS Reader from Britain.  I've NOT READ ANY GOOD REVIEWS on it 
though.  I don't recall the name of the third competitor, but, I do recall 
that it is a reader that sends info to a server of some kind.  In that wise, 
it is NOT AS ROBUST as the KNFB Reader me thinks.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Coloradodo 



From joramsey at cox.net  Tue May 11 09:58:05 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 05:58:05 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>

Hello Michelle,
Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
package please let me know.
Cordially,
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
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materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
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Behalf Of M T
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


Hello Roger,
I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have my
own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB Reader
in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them while
in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
offers another level of independence and shows others that there is nothing
that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you can
adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish you
luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, perhaps
in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would be
glad to help you. Best of luck.

Michelle


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> wrote:
> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I 
> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com 
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Attorney At Law

 "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
                                               -- Helen Keller

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From dravant at ameritech.net  Tue May 11 12:29:42 2010
From: dravant at ameritech.net (denise avant)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:29:42 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <002a01caf105$a242d5a0$e6c880e0$@net>

Hello,
The wayfinder access gps software is no longer being supported. So you may
want to rethink that one. For example, do you have a braillenote or a
pacmate. Both have gps solutions.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of John Ramsey
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:58 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

Hello Michelle,
Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
package please let me know.
Cordially,
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication in
error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that email
messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
control.  Thank you.  

 

 



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of M T
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


Hello Roger,
I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have my
own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB Reader
in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them while
in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
offers another level of independence and shows others that there is nothing
that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you can
adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish you
luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, perhaps
in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would be
glad to help you. Best of luck.

Michelle


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> wrote:
> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I 
> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com 
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>



-- 
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Attorney At Law

 "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
                                               -- Helen Keller

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From mike.sandi at att.net  Tue May 11 15:11:19 2010
From: mike.sandi at att.net (Michael Groat)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:11:19 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <0CDBE9912BDC442E86B3D3E86BA96D1C@PUTTPUTT>

John,
I would suggest contacting Michael at:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/

He should be able to give you some assistance
Michael



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of John Ramsey
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:58 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

Hello Michelle,
Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
package please let me know.
Cordially,
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication in
error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that email
messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
control.  Thank you.  

 

 



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of M T
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


Hello Roger,
I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have my
own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB Reader
in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them while
in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
offers another level of independence and shows others that there is nothing
that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you can
adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish you
luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, perhaps
in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would be
glad to help you. Best of luck.

Michelle


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> wrote:
> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I 
> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com 
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
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Attorney At Law

 "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
                                               -- Helen Keller

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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 11 15:19:46 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:19:46 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <E1A145D753024F83B3076C8161352BB0@spike>

the Wayfinder has been discontinued and is no longer supported as its 
manufacturer was bought out by another company.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Hello Michelle,
> Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
> one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
> vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
> interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
> when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
> I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
> appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
> these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
> package please let me know.
> Cordially,
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication 
> in
> error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
> communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
> civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
> John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
> uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
> communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
> 505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that 
> email
> messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
> control.  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of M T
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
> Hello Roger,
> I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
> everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have 
> my
> own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
> barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
> giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB 
> Reader
> in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
> and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
> This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
> efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
> extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
> saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them 
> while
> in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
> offers another level of independence and shows others that there is 
> nothing
> that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you 
> can
> adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
> faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
> the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
> difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish 
> you
> luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, 
> perhaps
> in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would 
> be
> glad to help you. Best of luck.
>
> Michelle
>
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I
>> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> blindlaw:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mtarley%40gm
>> ail.com
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Michelle Tarley, Esq.
> Attorney At Law
>
> "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
>                                               -- Helen Keller
>
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From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:48:28 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADABC38C@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



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*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE U.S. TRUSTEE PROGRAM -- ALEXANDRIA, VA ASSISTANT UNITED STATES TRUSTEE VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT #AX-0019 This position will be open until May 20, 2010. <blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-ust-ax-0019.htm>
Date posted: 05-05-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER 10-SDTX-07 The position is open until filled. The initial cutoff date for receipt of applications is May 14, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-sdtx-07.htm>
Date posted: 05-04-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER 10-SDTX-05 The position is open until filled. The initial cutoff date for receipt of applications is May 11, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-sdtx-05.htm>
Date posted: 05-04-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE JUSTICE MANAGEMENT DIVISION DEPARTMENTAL ETHICS OFFICE SUPERVISORY ATTORNEY-ADVISOR GS-15 Applications must be received by the closing date of May 21, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/jmd-atty-adv-ethics.htm>
Date posted: 04-30-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS Our hiring process is open and continuous.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/usao-atty-mass.htm>
Date posted: 04-30-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ACCESS TO JUSTICE INITIATIVE DEPUTY COUNSELOR FOR ACCESS TO JUSTICE, GS-0905-15 ANNOUNCEMENT: A2J ATY-0110 The position will remain open until filled, but applications must be submitted no later than May 5, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/a2j-aty-0110.htm>
Date posted: 04-30-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION ASSET FORFEITURE AND MONEY LAUNDERING SECTION EXPERIENCED TRIAL ATTORNEY, GS-15 ANNOUNCEMENT # 10-CRM-AFMLS-023 All applications must be received by 11:59 PM, Eastern Standard Time, May 25, 2010. Applications received after that date will not be considered for the first cut off. Should the position not be filled during the first cut-off a second cut-off will occur at 11:59 PM, Eastern Standard Time, June 25, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-crm-afmls-023.htm>
Date posted: 04-30-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA 10-EDVA-09 Positions are open until filled, but resumes must be received by May 12, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-edva-09.htm>
Date posted: 04-29-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS FREEDOM OF INFORMATION & PRIVACY ACT STAFF ATTORNEY-ADVISOR, GS-0905-14/15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 10-EOUSA-14 Open: April 29, 2010 Close: May 20, 2010<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-eousa-14.htm>
Date posted: 04-29-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON SEATTLE, WASHINGTON VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT: 10-WDWA-AUSA-08 (CRIMINAL) Applications will be accepted through May 13, 2010. <blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-wdwa-ausa-08-criminal.htm>
Date posted: 04-29-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON SEATTLE, WASHINGTON VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT: 10-WDWA-AUSA-07 (CRIMINAL) Applications will be accepted through May 13, 2010. <blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-wdwa-ausa-07-criminal.htm>
Date posted: 04-29-2010

*  DEPUTY CHIEF, ES-905 APPELLATE SECTION CRIMINAL DIVISION U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, DC ANNOUNCEMENT #: 10-CRM-SES-05 All applications (including Mailed applications) MUST BE RECEIVED BY 11:59 PM EST on May 25, 2010. <blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-crm-ses-05.htm>
Date posted: 04-29-2010

*  ATTORNEY-ADVISOR U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL WASHINGTON, D.C. Application Deadline is May 21, 2010<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-olc-legalcounsel.htm>
Date posted: 04-28-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA 10-WDVA-AUSA-02 TERM APPOINTMENT: NOT TO EXCEED ONE YEAR Applications must be received by 5:00PM Tuesday, May 4, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-wdva-ausa-02.htm>
Date posted: 04-28-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA ALEXANDRIA OFFICE 10-EDVA-08 Positions are open until filled, but resumes must be received by May 7, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-edva-08.htm>
Date posted: 04-28-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK 10-WDNY-011 Applications will be accepted until the position is filled, with a first cut-off date of May 12, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-wdny-011.htm>
Date posted: 04-27-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE ATTORNEY ADVISOR, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 10-EOUSA-010 OPEN: 04/27/2010 CLOSE: 05/11/2010<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-eousa-010.htm>
Date posted: 04-27-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA RICHMOND OFFICE 10-EDVA-07 Positions are open until filled, but resumes must be received by May 7, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-edva-07.htm>
Date posted: 04-26-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA ALEXANDRIA OFFICE 10-EDVA-06 Positions are open until filled, but resumes must be received by May 7, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-edva-06.htm>
Date posted: 04-26-2010

*  UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ACCESS TO JUSTICE INITIATIVE ATTORNEY ADVISOR, GS-0905-13 to GS-15 ANNOUNCEMENT: A2J ATY-0310 The position will remain open until filled, but applications must be submitted no later than May 1, 2010. <blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/attyadvada2jaty0310.htm>
Date posted: 04-26-2010


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From stevep.deeley at insightbb.com  Tue May 11 16:56:12 2010
From: stevep.deeley at insightbb.com (Steve P. Deeley)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:56:12 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <E1A145D753024F83B3076C8161352BB0@spike>
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	<E1A145D753024F83B3076C8161352BB0@spike>
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If you buy the reader, does it come with a cell phone or is that separate?
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> the Wayfinder has been discontinued and is no longer supported as its
> manufacturer was bought out by another company.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
>> Hello Michelle,
>> Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to 
>> get
>> one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
>> vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am 
>> very
>> interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and 
>> awkward
>> when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
>> I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
>> appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
>> these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
>> package please let me know.
>> Cordially,
>> John
>>
>> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>>
>> P.O. Box 6063
>>
>> Gainesville, FL 32627
>>
>> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>>
>> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>>
>> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
>> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
>> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication
>> in
>> error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated 
>> printed
>> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
>> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
>> communication or the information it contains may result in criminal 
>> and/or
>> civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
>> John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
>> uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
>> communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
>> 505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that
>> email
>> messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
>> control.  Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of M T
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>>
>>
>> Hello Roger,
>> I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
>> everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have
>> my
>> own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
>> barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
>> giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB
>> Reader
>> in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
>> and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite 
>> impressed.
>> This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
>> efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
>> extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
>> saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them
>> while
>> in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
>> offers another level of independence and shows others that there is
>> nothing
>> that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you
>> can
>> adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
>> faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
>> the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
>> difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish
>> you
>> luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance,
>> perhaps
>> in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would
>> be
>> glad to help you. Best of luck.
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I
>>> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Michelle Tarley, Esq.
>> Attorney At Law
>>
>> "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
>>                                               -- Helen Keller
>>
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From mtarley at gmail.com  Tue May 11 18:23:38 2010
From: mtarley at gmail.com (M T)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:23:38 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
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Hi John,
I use the KNFB reader mobile with the N82 Nokia. It works great.
However my new phone plan does not support that cell phone so I just
use it as a reader only, not a cell. It works just the same and
carrying that and a cell phone is not cumbersome because the N82 is
not large at all. It has been such an invaluable piece of equipment
and has not only increased my accessibility to written material but my
efficiency at practicing law. There is software that you can put on
the N82 for free that allows it to be used as a GPS. Check out the
website KNFBreader.com. It has all the downloads and the info on the
reader and phone. Good luck and I hope you prevail at acquiring one.
Let me know if I can do anything to assist you.

Michelle

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:58 AM, John Ramsey <joramsey at cox.net> wrote:
> Hello Michelle,
> Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
> one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
> vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
> interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
> when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
> I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
> appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
> these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
> package please let me know.
> Cordially,
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication in
> error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
> communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
> civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
> John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
> uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
> communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
> 505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that email
> messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
> control.  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of M T
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
> Hello Roger,
> I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
> everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have my
> own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
> barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
> giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB Reader
> in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
> and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
> This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
> efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
> extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
> saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them while
> in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
> offers another level of independence and shows others that there is nothing
> that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you can
> adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
> faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
> the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
> difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish you
> luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, perhaps
> in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would be
> glad to help you. Best of luck.
>
> Michelle
>
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> wrote:
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I
>> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> blindlaw:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mtarley%40gm
>> ail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Michelle Tarley, Esq.
> Attorney At Law
>
>  "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
>                                               -- Helen Keller
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> blindlaw:
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>
>
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> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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>



-- 
Michelle Tarley, Esq.
Attorney At Law

 "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing”
                                               -- Helen Keller


From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue May 11 19:13:55 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:13:55 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com><32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
	<0CDBE9912BDC442E86B3D3E86BA96D1C@PUTTPUTT>
Message-ID: <CA44B65558BB42848DA15E1A24483CED@hometwxakonvzn>

John, What does P.A stand for? RJ


From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue May 11 19:22:43 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:22:43 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com><32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
	<0CDBE9912BDC442E86B3D3E86BA96D1C@PUTTPUTT>
Message-ID: <72519E27D8B140CAB9B94B2304D01DC2@hometwxakonvzn>

John,  Do you practice law in reguards to a fair hearing before the Florida 
division of admenastrative hearings? If not, Do you know any one who does? 
Please email me off list, and let me know. RJ Sandefur.
email is: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Groat" <mike.sandi at att.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> John,
> I would suggest contacting Michael at:
> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/
>
> He should be able to give you some assistance
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of John Ramsey
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:58 AM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
> Hello Michelle,
> Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
> one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
> vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
> interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
> when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
> I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
> appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
> these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
> package please let me know.
> Cordially,
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication 
> in
> error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
> communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
> civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
> John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
> uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
> communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
> 505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that 
> email
> messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
> control.  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of M T
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
> Hello Roger,
> I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
> everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have 
> my
> own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
> barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
> giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB 
> Reader
> in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
> and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
> This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
> efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
> extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
> saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them 
> while
> in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
> offers another level of independence and shows others that there is 
> nothing
> that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you 
> can
> adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
> faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
> the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
> difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish 
> you
> luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, 
> perhaps
> in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would 
> be
> glad to help you. Best of luck.
>
> Michelle
>
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I
>> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Tue May 11 19:52:02 2010
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:52:02 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <F5D467EE62944E21B7E32DB3F9AAB53F@valtd>

Hello John:

On other lists, I've read about the demise of the Wayfinder; it is NO LONGER 
available because VodaPhone WILL NOT produce them anymore.  Current users, 
as I understand it, can continue to use it until around October or so.

An alternative to consider is the MobileGEO from CodeFactory, the developers 
of MobileSpeak and its many variants.

The MobileGeo ONLY WORKS on phones using the Windows Mobile Operating 
system.  A good example would be the HTC Pro or the HTC Ozone.  If you go 
with a phone using the Windows Mobile Operating system, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE 
to use the KNFB Reader as it has not yet been ported over to that platform.

There are dealers who carry the MobileGeo.  One such dealer is:

www.atguys.com

I bought my MobileSpeak from a guy based in Canada.  He is Aman Singer, and 
his EMail address is:

aman.singer at gmail.com

I don't know if he sells the MobileGeo, but he gave me a pretty good price 
for the MobileSpeak I bought through him and that's why I am recommending 
him for a possible contact.

One other product I've heard about is called Loadstone GPS.  I don't know 
much about it, but their website is:

www.loadstone-gps.com


There appears to be quite a number of blind folks using it.  It works on 
phones like Nokia running on the Symbian Operating System.  In that wise, 
the Nokia N86 will be a great candidate for the Loadstone application.  I am 
thinking of giving it a spin too, it is free if memory serves.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado
 



From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue May 11 21:22:09 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:22:09 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Special 2-hour Webinar on Section 508 rule-making!
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADABC5AA@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



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From: Distribution list for EASI Web Conferences, Podcasts and News [mailto:ITD-JNL at LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:46 PM
To: ITD-JNL at LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG
Subject: Special 2-hour Webinar on Section 508 rule-making!

Free Webinar: Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on Section 508
2 hours: Monday, May 24 combining 90-minutes of panel and 30-minutes of Q & A
Pacific time: 11-1
Mountain time: 12-2
Central time: 1-3
Eastern time: 2-4

Presenters: Susan Mazrui, Larry Goldberg, Jim Tobias and Gregg Vanderheiden
The Webinar will be captioned thanks to the kindness of AT&T

Sections 255 and 508 are the federal regulations that require accessible 
information and communication technologies (ICT). They are currently being 
revised, and the time is ripe for public comment before they are finalized. 
This webinar will go over the current environment, changes to the technical 
provisions, and how we all can participate in the process to make sure that 
the final regulations will provide the access needed by users to both 
current and emerging ICT.

Besides outlining the proposed rules, the panel will explore ideas to make 
the government and others adopt a new commitment to following these rules.

This is a timely topic, and you should register in advance to reserve a 
spot in the online Webinar room. Late registrations may not receive login 
instructions in time to join the Webinar.


Go to the EASI Webinar page at:
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Look for the May 24 508 Webinar and follow the registration link.  You'll 
receive info on joining the live Webinar 2 days in advance.

Norm





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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Tue May 11 22:23:50 2010
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:23:50 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a><E1A145D753024F83B3076C8161352BB0@spike>
	<6D5233236BA340F493940D9C2C935580@StevePC>
Message-ID: <2454F270032C460D94AF77A90C495B8B@valtd>

Hi Steve:

The KNFB Reader itself is $995.  Generally, the phone, say the N86 for 
example, could cost you about $400.  Most dealers also like to add the price 
for Talks or MobileSpeak.  Expect to spend close to about $1,600 for the 
entire package unless there is a special running.

Personally, I'd buy my phone elsewhere and only worry about getting the KNFB 
Reader from one of its many dealers.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Wed May 12 00:20:44 2010
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 19:20:44 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] NFB President Marc Maurer to Receive Honorary Doctorate
 from University of Notre Dame
Message-ID: <auto-000151931193@mailfront2.g2host.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



NFB President Marc Maurer to Receive Honorary Doctorate
from University of Notre Dame



Baltimore, Maryland (May 11, 2010): The National Federation of the 
Blind (NFB), the largest organization of blind people in the United 
States, today announced that its president, Dr. Marc Maurer, will 
receive an honorary doctor of laws degree from the University of 
Notre Dame at the 2010 commencement ceremony on May 16, 2010.  Maurer 
is a 1974 graduate of the University of Notre Dame.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "I am pleased and privileged to receive an honorary degree from 
my alma mater.  As president of the largest organization of blind 
people in the United States, I have been fortunate to play a role in 
many exciting and life-changing developments for blind people in 
America.  While we have made much progress, there is still more to be 
done.  Only 10 percent of blind children are learning Braille in this 
country, and this directly contributes to a 70 percent unemployment 
rate among blind people in the United States.  I humbly accept this 
honor on behalf of blind Americans and pledge to work harder than 
ever to ensure that the blind are not left behind in today's society."



Maurer earned his law degree from Indiana University in 1977 and 
began focusing on representing blind individuals in the courts.  A 
member of the Bar in Indiana, Ohio, Iowa, Maryland, and the Bar of 
the Supreme Court, Maurer is one of the most experienced lawyers in 
the field of civil rights and discrimination against the blind.

Maurer has been president of the National Federation of the Blind 
since 1986.  In that capacity, he has joined President George W. Bush 
in the Oval Office in 2001 to celebrate the organization's Everest 
Expedition, and was present for Bush's signing into law the Help 
America Vote Act of 2002.  He has promoted new technology for the 
blind, including the knfbReader Mobile (a revolutionary cell phone 
application that scans and reads aloud most printed material) and the 
prototype vehicle for the Blind Driver Challenge.  He has overseen 
the visionary expansion of the NFB Jernigan Institute, the first 
training and research institute for the blind, led by the blind.  He 
has also previously served as president of the North 
America/Caribbean Region of the World Blind Union.  In November 2009, 
Dr. Maurer was awarded the Rev. John J. Cavanaugh, C.S.C., Award for 
outstanding contributions in the field of public service from the 
University of Notre Dame Alumni Association.



For more information about the National Federation of the Blind, 
please visit <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.





###



About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.



From joramsey at cox.net  Wed May 12 07:16:53 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 03:16:53 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
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Message-ID: <ACDE7CDB1EB849CF85982E6340DBEE54@noneeb869fea9a>

P.A. stands for Professional Association and this is the designation that my
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Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


John, What does P.A stand for? RJ

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From stevep.deeley at insightbb.com  Wed May 12 09:14:04 2010
From: stevep.deeley at insightbb.com (Steve P. Deeley)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 05:14:04 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <2454F270032C460D94AF77A90C495B8B@valtd>
References: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
	<E1A145D753024F83B3076C8161352BB0@spike>
	<6D5233236BA340F493940D9C2C935580@StevePC>
	<2454F270032C460D94AF77A90C495B8B@valtd>
Message-ID: <457FCB87878E4344A6EA37FF30434F0B@StevePC>

Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Hi Steve:
>
> The KNFB Reader itself is $995.  Generally, the phone, say the N86 for
> example, could cost you about $400.  Most dealers also like to add the 
> price
> for Talks or MobileSpeak.  Expect to spend close to about $1,600 for the
> entire package unless there is a special running.
>
> Personally, I'd buy my phone elsewhere and only worry about getting the 
> KNFB
> Reader from one of its many dealers.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed May 12 10:16:55 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 05:16:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <6D5233236BA340F493940D9C2C935580@StevePC>
References: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
	<E1A145D753024F83B3076C8161352BB0@spike>
	<6D5233236BA340F493940D9C2C935580@StevePC>
Message-ID: <auto-000151963803@mailfront2.g2host.com>

You can buy the reader software separately, for $995.  Most dealers 
will also sell you a cell phone if you wish, and can also sell you a 
screen reader for that phone.  Most, if not all dealers will install 
and configure everything -- which is worth something unless you have 
some comfort level with technical matters.  They generally charge a 
little more for the phone -- then you could get from Amazon.com or 
another company -- but for most it is worth it for the convenience.

Dave

At 11:56 AM 5/11/2010, you wrote:
>If you buy the reader, does it come with a cell phone or is that separate?
>Steve

                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
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From tom at tomladis.com  Wed May 12 14:18:51 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:18:51 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
Message-ID: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Hello All.

I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in a 
digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some of 
the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.

  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able 
to provide anything besides the PDF files.

Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word 
document?

In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe for 
the practice tests?


Thanks,
Tom 


From attorney at alcidonislaw.com  Wed May 12 15:32:24 2010
From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esquire.)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:32:24 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
References: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <7BDC17BBA47C498092CB7780D10E1811@LawOfficePC>

Tom

Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan has 
demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying with 
the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar 
Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a 
constructive dialog with them.


Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
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From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support

> Hello All.
>
> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in 
> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some 
> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>
>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able 
> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>
> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word 
> document?
>
> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe 
> for the practice tests?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Wed May 12 15:53:19 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:53:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
Message-ID: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom, do not use Kaplan test prep and admissions!  I used them for preparing to take the GRE in 2009.  I have had the same problems of inaccessible course material, as well as an inability to utilize the online component.  I was told that they were working on improving there services and were aware that there material was inaccessible and not usable to blind people.  I also had inaccessible material with written computer language in the PDFS that needed formatting.  This was never done and I never received adequate course materials.  They had no problem taking my credit card info for course registration and fees of up to $2500.  Instead of preparing for the GRE in 5 weeks, it took me five months since I was working with private readers, and a understanding Kaplan tutor.  The only compensation from Kaplan was to offer me free tutoring sessions in late November and early December since I felt I was not ready to take the GRE.  Kaplan has reports on
 ri-poffreport and the major consumer complaints websites.  Kaplan is a perfect example of Corporate Americas Greed.  William E. Bets is a disability accommodations attorney who requires a $500.00 retainer fee.  I did not pay this since I did not have this available at this time.  I posted the following to the list last year.  
The below information involves my experiences while studying for the Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I want to make all reading this aware of a major problem with Kaplan Test prep.
To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen magnification program in a timely manor.  
The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific examples from the text in the textbook.   
Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its courses.  
Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When one chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that the deadline for any refunds has passed.  
Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you register and are able to create a student account.  A student account can only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction or tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR technical reference pages through adobe systems.
Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able to utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the centers have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading software on sight.
In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE through there local colleges or universities, those individuals would have the same problems since the teachings and course related material is still channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University.  Kaplan out sources itself within local colleges and universities to offer there programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal corporate interests or political clout.  .  
I hope this information is helpful to you.



      


From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Wed May 12 16:59:48 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:59:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
In-Reply-To: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <195285.55062.qm@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Please note:
I am not soliciting or endorsing any person or service.  Understand the mention of MR. Betz was for informational purposes only.  Thank you.



--- On Wed, 5/12/10, William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:53 AM
> Tom, do not use Kaplan test prep and
> admissions!  I used them for preparing to take the GRE
> in 2009.  I have had the same problems of inaccessible
> course material, as well as an inability to utilize the
> online component.  I was told that they were working on
> improving there services and were aware that there material
> was inaccessible and not usable to blind people.  I
> also had inaccessible material with written computer
> language in the PDFS that needed formatting.  This was
> never done and I never received adequate course
> materials.  They had no problem taking my credit card
> info for course registration and fees of up to $2500. 
> Instead of preparing for the GRE in 5 weeks, it took me five
> months since I was working with private readers, and a
> understanding Kaplan tutor.  The only compensation from
> Kaplan was to offer me free tutoring sessions in late
> November and early December since I felt I was not ready to
> take the GRE.  Kaplan has reports on
>  ri-poffreport and the major consumer complaints
> websites.  Kaplan is a perfect example of Corporate
> Americas Greed.  William E. Bets is a disability
> accommodations attorney who requires a $500.00 retainer
> fee.  I did not pay this since I did not have this
> available at this time.  I posted the following to the
> list last year.  
> The below information involves my experiences while
> studying for the Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I
> want to make all reading this aware of a major problem with
> Kaplan Test prep.
> To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are
> taking the prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep
> courses on your own with a private tutor.  Do not take
> a class through Kaplan.  You and any one supporting you
> will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the
> website is inaccessible and you are not given proper
> accessible course material in alternative formats usable to
> a screen-reader or screen magnification program in a timely
> manor.  
> The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and
> internet resources in an interactive classroom setting where
> the instructor demonstrates concepts and the students read
> or openly discuss specific examples from the text in the
> textbook.   
> Even working through the representatives of the local
> Kaplan centers, the issues fall back on Kaplan as a
> corporation since you are lead to believe that you are the
> first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has come
> across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe
> that Kaplan has had more than one visually impaired or blind
> person register for its courses.  
> Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is
> not able to get a full refund after the third course
> session.  The initial diagnostic examination counts as
> the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to make
> standard accommodations to those who require them for
> this.  When one chooses to obtain help through
> representatives from Kaplan for there accessibility issues,
> the representatives will diligently work with you once one
> has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This
> means that the deadline for any refunds has passed.  
> Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead. 
> The main page is completely accessible.  The
> accessibility issues come up once you register and are able
> to create a student account.  A student account can
> only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom
> instruction or tutoring session with a major credit
> card.  The accessibility issues result from the
> personal student portals being formatted to support flash
> content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website
> accessibility standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb
> access initiative and /TR technical reference pages through
> adobe systems.
> Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one
> is not able to utilize there local Kaplan center’s
> equipment since none of the centers have any accessible
> screen magnifications or screen reading software on sight.
> In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for
> the GRE through there local colleges or universities, those
> individuals would have the same problems since the teachings
> and course related material is still channeled through
> Kaplan and not the local colleges or University. 
> Kaplan out sources itself within local colleges and
> universities to offer there programs since Kaplan is a
> monopoly as a service provider.
> Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City,
> a place so diverse yet so segregated to those few who
> possess special personal corporate interests or political
> clout.  .  
> I hope this information is helpful to you.
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Wed May 12 17:17:35 2010
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:17:35 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Converting PDF files {was Re: In regard to Kaplan test
	prep and admissions:}
References: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B96A8FDB00348E6A6F018162E7CE680@D3DTZP41>

Hello:

     The way I usually convert a big pdf file is to use Kurzweil K1000. 
K1000 will get the text from the file or if it is images, do OCR on the 
images. I understand the OpenBook from Freedom Scientific can do the same 
thing. Demos of this software are available, so it is possible to try before 
you buy. Hope this helps.

Regards,

Robert Jaquiss



From tom at tomladis.com  Wed May 12 18:09:45 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:09:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
References: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<7BDC17BBA47C498092CB7780D10E1811@LawOfficePC>
Message-ID: <26DF25C22D2743008FCE6CA89C81EF8E@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has started 
and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files just 
3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have not 
been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me 
the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get 
OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest solution 
either.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Tom

Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan has
demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying with
the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
constructive dialog with them.


Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
Philadelphia, PA 19111
Tel: (215) 305-8085
Fax: (215) 525-0999
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From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support

> Hello All.
>
> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in 
> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some 
> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>
>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able 
> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>
> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word 
> document?
>
> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe 
> for the practice tests?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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From tom at tomladis.com  Wed May 12 18:18:14 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:18:14 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
References: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2B8770DE96E345C1A9F79A8FBCB0C717@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Yes, it is difficult to get the right accommodations.  The instructors are 
very sympathetic to the situation, but it is pretty difficult to get anyone 
who can help to become involved.

Kaplan was suggested by another partially sighted candidate, but he was able 
to use ZoomText to get past the hurdles.  I have a completely different set 
of issues.

I feel pretty confident that I can do well on the test without them by 
reading books and practicing, but wanted the extra help and tricks that they 
offer.  The Bureau of Blind Services, here in Chicago, paid the tab for the 
class, but I hate to waste their money.  It will work out, but I may not be 
ready by June 7.  I will consider it all a learning process and practice for 
the next test if I do not score well enough.


Thanks,
Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:


> Tom, do not use Kaplan test prep and admissions!  I used them for 
> preparing to take the GRE in 2009.  I have had the same problems of 
> inaccessible course material, as well as an inability to utilize the 
> online component.  I was told that they were working on improving there 
> services and were aware that there material was inaccessible and not 
> usable to blind people.  I also had inaccessible material with written 
> computer language in the PDFS that needed formatting.  This was never done 
> and I never received adequate course materials.  They had no problem 
> taking my credit card info for course registration and fees of up to 
> $2500.  Instead of preparing for the GRE in 5 weeks, it took me five 
> months since I was working with private readers, and a understanding 
> Kaplan tutor.  The only compensation from Kaplan was to offer me free 
> tutoring sessions in late November and early December since I felt I was 
> not ready to take the GRE.  Kaplan has reports on
> ri-poffreport and the major consumer complaints websites.  Kaplan is a 
> perfect example of Corporate Americas Greed.  William E. Bets is a 
> disability accommodations attorney who requires a $500.00 retainer fee.  I 
> did not pay this since I did not have this available at this time.  I 
> posted the following to the list last year.
> The below information involves my experiences while studying for the 
> Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I want to make all reading this aware 
> of a major problem with Kaplan Test prep.
> To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the 
> prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a 
> private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one 
> supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the 
> website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course 
> material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen 
> magnification program in a timely manor.
> The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet 
> resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor 
> demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific 
> examples from the text in the textbook.
> Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the 
> issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe 
> that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has 
> come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan 
> has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its 
> courses.
> Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to 
> get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic 
> examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to 
> make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When one 
> chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there 
> accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you 
> once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that 
> the deadline for any refunds has passed.
> Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is 
> completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you register 
> and are able to create a student account.  A student account can only be 
> completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction or 
> tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues 
> result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash 
> content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility 
> standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR 
> technical reference pages through adobe systems.
> Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able to 
> utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the centers 
> have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading software on 
> sight.
> In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE through 
> there local colleges or universities, those individuals would have the 
> same problems since the teachings and course related material is still 
> channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University.  Kaplan 
> out sources itself within local colleges and universities to offer there 
> programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
> Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so 
> diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal 
> corporate interests or political clout.  .
> I hope this information is helpful to you.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> blindlaw:
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> 



From tom at tomladis.com  Wed May 12 19:15:02 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:15:02 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Converting PDF files {was Re: In regard to Kaplan
	testprep and admissions:}
References: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B96A8FDB00348E6A6F018162E7CE680@D3DTZP41>
Message-ID: <96F5DE8A73A54112B8BDEC5D745AFB21@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Robert,

I was finally able to read the text using OpenBook.  It looks like the table 
of contents and page numbers do not match up right, so I will ask a sighted 
friend to help me figure out where things are off.  Kaplan says that they 
sent what they provide as ADA accommodations, but it seems that there are 
extra pages for the Mastery series that knock the page numbering off.  It 
did not seem to bother her that the page numbers did not match the numbers 
used in the class , but as I explained that the class is referencing things 
by page numbers, my page numbers will be off.  This is not a perfect world, 
but they could do better than this for people who are getting an unknown 
product and expecting them to be able to figure things out on their own and 
keep up with the rest of the class.


Thank you very much,
Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:17 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Converting PDF files {was Re: In regard to Kaplan 
testprep and admissions:}


> Hello:
>
>     The way I usually convert a big pdf file is to use Kurzweil K1000. 
> K1000 will get the text from the file or if it is images, do OCR on the 
> images. I understand the OpenBook from Freedom Scientific can do the same 
> thing. Demos of this software are available, so it is possible to try 
> before you buy. Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert Jaquiss
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 12 19:23:04 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:23:04 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
References: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2B8770DE96E345C1A9F79A8FBCB0C717@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <00b501caf208$8b5da230$6601a8c0@server>

Hello Tom,
My advice is not to take the LSAT until you are scoring as high as you are 
capable of scoring.  You will know when you have reached that point.  I 
think this is what you meant, and that you did not plan to simply take the 
LSAT and then just see how it goes.  Many people sighted and blind do this 
with the LSAT banking on the notion that they will simply take it again if 
their score is not high enough.  That is a very bad plan since the schools 
will be notified that the LSAT was taken several times.  If I were on the 
admissions committee I would admit the students first who got acceptable 
scores on the first try, and then look at those who did not if there were 
any slots remaining.  Likewise, I want a lawyer representing me who gets it 
right the first time and a surgeon who gets it right the first time.  Real 
life provides very few do-overs on important matters like those on which 
lawyers work each day.  Again, I think this is what you were saying but as a 
fellow (former) Chicagoian, I wanted to give you my 2 cents worth.
Best,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:


> Yes, it is difficult to get the right accommodations.  The instructors are 
> very sympathetic to the situation, but it is pretty difficult to get 
> anyone who can help to become involved.
>
> Kaplan was suggested by another partially sighted candidate, but he was 
> able to use ZoomText to get past the hurdles.  I have a completely 
> different set of issues.
>
> I feel pretty confident that I can do well on the test without them by 
> reading books and practicing, but wanted the extra help and tricks that 
> they offer.  The Bureau of Blind Services, here in Chicago, paid the tab 
> for the class, but I hate to waste their money.  It will work out, but I 
> may not be ready by June 7.  I will consider it all a learning process and 
> practice for the next test if I do not score well enough.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:53 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
>
>
>> Tom, do not use Kaplan test prep and admissions!  I used them for 
>> preparing to take the GRE in 2009.  I have had the same problems of 
>> inaccessible course material, as well as an inability to utilize the 
>> online component.  I was told that they were working on improving there 
>> services and were aware that there material was inaccessible and not 
>> usable to blind people.  I also had inaccessible material with written 
>> computer language in the PDFS that needed formatting.  This was never 
>> done and I never received adequate course materials.  They had no problem 
>> taking my credit card info for course registration and fees of up to 
>> $2500.  Instead of preparing for the GRE in 5 weeks, it took me five 
>> months since I was working with private readers, and a understanding 
>> Kaplan tutor.  The only compensation from Kaplan was to offer me free 
>> tutoring sessions in late November and early December since I felt I was 
>> not ready to take the GRE.  Kaplan has reports on
>> ri-poffreport and the major consumer complaints websites.  Kaplan is a 
>> perfect example of Corporate Americas Greed.  William E. Bets is a 
>> disability accommodations attorney who requires a $500.00 retainer fee. 
>> I did not pay this since I did not have this available at this time.  I 
>> posted the following to the list last year.
>> The below information involves my experiences while studying for the 
>> Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I want to make all reading this aware 
>> of a major problem with Kaplan Test prep.
>> To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the 
>> prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a 
>> private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one 
>> supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the 
>> website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course 
>> material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen 
>> magnification program in a timely manor.
>> The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet 
>> resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor 
>> demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific 
>> examples from the text in the textbook.
>> Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the 
>> issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe 
>> that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has 
>> come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan 
>> has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its 
>> courses.
>> Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to 
>> get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic 
>> examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to 
>> make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When 
>> one chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there 
>> accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you 
>> once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that 
>> the deadline for any refunds has passed.
>> Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is 
>> completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you 
>> register and are able to create a student account.  A student account can 
>> only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction 
>> or tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues 
>> result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash 
>> content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility 
>> standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR 
>> technical reference pages through adobe systems.
>> Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able 
>> to utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the 
>> centers have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading 
>> software on sight.
>> In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE 
>> through there local colleges or universities, those individuals would 
>> have the same problems since the teachings and course related material is 
>> still channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University. 
>> Kaplan out sources itself within local colleges and universities to offer 
>> there programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
>> Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so 
>> diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal 
>> corporate interests or political clout.  .
>> I hope this information is helpful to you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> blindlaw:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com
>>
>
>
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From attorney at alcidonislaw.com  Thu May 13 16:58:58 2010
From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esquire.)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:58:58 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Written recommendation needed from a lawyer user of the
	KNFB Reader
Message-ID: <830ED89E9F024A2984FDABA7008A040C@LawOfficePC>

Colleagues:

Can you please write me off-list for further info if you can help. I am in need of a written recommendation from a lawyer for purchasing the KNFB Reader for my practice.
    
Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
Philadelphia, PA 19111
Tel: (215) 305-8085
Fax: (215) 525-0999
Attorney at alcidonislaw.com

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From CDanielsen at nfb.org  Thu May 13 19:58:52 2010
From: CDanielsen at nfb.org (Danielsen, Chris)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58:52 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Please post on all NFB list-serves
Message-ID: <auto-000153439531@mailfront1.g2host.com>

The 2009 National Federation of the Blind Annual Report is Now Available!

Take a look back on all of the accomplishments of the National 
Federation of the Blind in 2009 by reading the newest Annual Report! 
The 2009 Annual Report is available online as an accessible PDF file 
(<http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/pdf/2009%20Annual%20Report_Accessible.pdf>http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/pdf/2009%20Annual%20Report_Accessible.pdf) 
or a BRF file 
(<http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/brf/2009_NFB_Annual_Report.BRF>http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/brf/2009_NFB_Annual_Report.BRF). 
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From dwilson.lists at gmail.com  Fri May 14 14:25:34 2010
From: dwilson.lists at gmail.com (Derek Wilson)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:25:34 +0900
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <26DF25C22D2743008FCE6CA89C81EF8E@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
References: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<7BDC17BBA47C498092CB7780D10E1811@LawOfficePC>
	<26DF25C22D2743008FCE6CA89C81EF8E@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilnl29uPgT6dYaGoXetfrRgZbIOVlUG2vQZfheh@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom,

I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online
and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study
materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with
ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were
flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much less accessible, as
the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped
around the screen at random.

In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC.  Kaplan had
nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo
last September and again last December.

One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for
the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day.  I
prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by
LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a
human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult
for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able to read only 14
or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of
time.  To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points
lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the
nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in
my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to
help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what the implications
are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.

If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet
with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills
at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have
the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for them to meet
with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and
acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit
for the task.

After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I
asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using
Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at
this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based
alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No,
not at this time."  I have since learned that two of my acquaintances
in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on
test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.  I would not go
so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation
decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me
that the playing field is far from level.

I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way,
and I wish you the best of luck on test day!

Regards,
Derek Wilson
www.twitter.com/culturemate
http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate

On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has started
> and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files just
> 3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have not
> been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me
> the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get
> OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest solution
> either.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Tom
>
> Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan has
> demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying with
> the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
> constructive dialog with them.
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> Philadelphia, PA 19111
> Tel: (215) 305-8085
> Fax: (215) 525-0999
> Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
>
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> --------------------------------------------------
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in
>> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
>> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>>
>>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able
>> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>>
>> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> document?
>>
>> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe
>> for the practice tests?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri May 14 20:50:19 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:50:19 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Eleventh Circuit Title Two Decision: American
 Association of People with Disabilities v. Harris
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADB2DCC5@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Lissner, Scott
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:12 AM
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Subject: Eleventh Circuit Title Two Decision: American Association of People with Disabilities v. Harris

Your are invited to participate in Ohio's ADA Report Card<http://www.adareportcard.org/>


In American Association of People with Disabilities v. Harris<http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200715004.pdf> the Eleventh Circuit dismissed a lawsuit challenging Florida's Duval County's lack of voting machines for disabled individuals.  Relying on Alexander v. Sandoval (532 US 275, 121 S. Ct. 1511) the Eleventh Circuit concluded that there was not private right to sue under Title II of the ADA  extending the reasoning in Sandoval beyond legislation rooted in the Spending Clause and to the Fourteenth Amendment legislation.



For more read "Federal Appeals Court Decision Undercuts Effectiveness of ADA<http://www.acslaw.org/node/16112>" in  The American Constitution Society for Law and Policy Blog By Michael R. Masinter<http://nsulaw.nova.edu/faculty/profiles/index.cfm?ID=78>, Professor of Law, Shepard Broad Law Center, Nova Southeastern University.







L. Scott Lissner, University ADA Coordinator, Office Of The Provost, The Ohio State University
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  Lecturer, Knowlton School of Architecture, Moritz College of Law & Disability Studies
  Chair, Public Policy & Government Relations Committee, Association on Higher Education And Disability
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Fri May 14 21:38:43 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:38:43 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Eleventh Circuit Title Two Decision: American
	Association of People with Disabilities v. Harris
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Message-ID: <EB0FC1EF3B8040B987B73B9E9DE6B75F@hometwxakonvzn>

I hope these people appeal this piece of trash! I hope the United States 
supreme court will hear this case! RJ
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Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 4:50 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Eleventh Circuit Title Two Decision: American 
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From emrene at earthlink.net  Sat May 15 17:53:56 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:53:56 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Federal Employment
Message-ID: <686E30261DD1443D8B6F0E86D1E2BE0F@elizabethrene>

I want to return to the practice of Law after a long hiatus, and want to 
pursue Federal employment under the Obama administration.

Does anyone out there work for a Federal agency who would like to comment 
about your route to employment there, your experience of the work 
environment, your ease or difficulty in getting needed accommodations, what 
you like most and least about Federal employment, or about what you might 
have done differently as a blind Federal job seeker or new employee, had you 
known then what you know now?

Are there any Federal magistrates, arbitrators, mediators, administrative 
law judges, or other hearing officers out there who would be willing to 
share your insights?

Does anyone practice in the circuit courts or before the courts of appeals?

I practiced for nine years as an assistant city prosecutor doing daily trial 
and appellate advocacy, for three years as municipal advisory counsel to 
elected and appointed department heads, working in labor law, city 
governance, public disclosure litigation, and information systems 
development, for nearly two years as a professional licensing attorney 
enforcing my state's version of the Uniform Disciplinary Act, and for two 
more years as a state excise tax judge.

I went to seminary after that, and worked as a hospital chaplain, becoming 
fascinated by Medicine, clinical ethics, the support and discipline of 
troubled healthcare workers, and the rights of patients to 
self-determination.  I am applying for admission to an LL.M. program in 
Health Law at my state university.

I'd love to hear from any of you.

Thanks,

Elizabeth




From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Sat May 15 19:17:23 2010
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 15:17:23 EDT
Subject: [blindlaw] Federal Employment
Message-ID: <d2b71.2630c0a1.39204d43@aol.com>

Elizabeth,
 
I worked in the Obama Administration for the Department of Homeland  
Security and now work for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services under  
HHS.  Feel free to email me off-list to discuss some of the aspects you  
mention.
 
_aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) 
 
Regards,
Ronza
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/15/2010 2:16:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
emrene at earthlink.net writes:

I want  to return to the practice of Law after a long hiatus, and want to 
pursue  Federal employment under the Obama administration.

Does anyone out  there work for a Federal agency who would like to comment 
about your route  to employment there, your experience of the work 
environment, your ease or  difficulty in getting needed accommodations, 
what 
you like most and least  about Federal employment, or about what you might 
have done differently as  a blind Federal job seeker or new employee, had 
you 
known then what you  know now?

Are there any Federal magistrates, arbitrators, mediators,  administrative 
law judges, or other hearing officers out there who would  be willing to 
share your insights?

Does anyone practice in the  circuit courts or before the courts of appeals?

I practiced for nine  years as an assistant city prosecutor doing daily 
trial 
and appellate  advocacy, for three years as municipal advisory counsel to 
elected and  appointed department heads, working in labor law, city 
governance, public  disclosure litigation, and information systems 
development, for nearly two  years as a professional licensing attorney 
enforcing my state's version of  the Uniform Disciplinary Act, and for two 
more years as a state excise tax  judge.

I went to seminary after that, and worked as a hospital  chaplain, becoming 
fascinated by Medicine, clinical ethics, the support  and discipline of 
troubled healthcare workers, and the rights of patients  to 
self-determination.  I am applying for admission to an LL.M.  program in 
Health Law at my state university.

I'd love to hear from  any of  you.

Thanks,

Elizabeth



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From emrene at earthlink.net  Sat May 15 20:23:15 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:23:15 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology
Message-ID: <08978F571998447981311AD806DEC611@elizabethrene>

In an earlier post today, I've asked blind lawyers to comment on their 
experience as Federal attorneys.  I mentioned there that I hadn't practiced 
for a while, pursuing instead post-graduate study and other interests 
outside the Law.

When I left my last legal position, Windows was barely accessible, most of 
my computer work was done in MS Dos, I scrutinized contracts with a CCT, and 
I hunted for case law and Shepherdized opinions with an 8X magnifying glass.

Today on my laptop I use Windows XP with Service Pack Three, JAWS, and 
Kurzweil 1000.  But I've never used any of the legal databases such as 
Lexis.  Any ad hoc legal research I do these days, I do through Google.

Does anyone have suggestions on how I might finally haul myself into the 
21st century?

Which computer-based research tools work best for you, and how have you 
learned to use them?

Thanks,

Elizabeth




From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Sat May 15 20:52:11 2010
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 15:52:11 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology
In-Reply-To: <08978F571998447981311AD806DEC611@elizabethrene>
References: <08978F571998447981311AD806DEC611@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <003a01caf470$7e876f40$7b964dc0$@com>

Hi there.  I'm not an attorney but a paralegal.  Since I've been out of
work, I've still tried using the various research tools online.

I have Jaws 9 and it seems to work pretty well with the online research
tools, although they most often have to be the mobile version such as
m.westlaw.com.  It works very well because it takes away all the graphics
that Jaws cannot read.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 3:23 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology

In an earlier post today, I've asked blind lawyers to comment on their 
experience as Federal attorneys.  I mentioned there that I hadn't practiced 
for a while, pursuing instead post-graduate study and other interests 
outside the Law.

When I left my last legal position, Windows was barely accessible, most of 
my computer work was done in MS Dos, I scrutinized contracts with a CCT, and

I hunted for case law and Shepherdized opinions with an 8X magnifying glass.

Today on my laptop I use Windows XP with Service Pack Three, JAWS, and 
Kurzweil 1000.  But I've never used any of the legal databases such as 
Lexis.  Any ad hoc legal research I do these days, I do through Google.

Does anyone have suggestions on how I might finally haul myself into the 
21st century?

Which computer-based research tools work best for you, and how have you 
learned to use them?

Thanks,

Elizabeth



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From tom at tomladis.com  Sun May 16 01:15:26 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 20:15:26 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
References: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1><7BDC17BBA47C498092CB7780D10E1811@LawOfficePC><26DF25C22D2743008FCE6CA89C81EF8E@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<AANLkTilnl29uPgT6dYaGoXetfrRgZbIOVlUG2vQZfheh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB9AFE13CD974BA7B9F725B7EC7A4391@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very difficult to work with 
to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email instead of human 
interaction. They are not willing to give much  information over the phone, 
and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter in PDF files for 
me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see them add some more check boxes 
to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations advisors to people 
who are blind.

Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended Kaplan, but it appears 
that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText and when you need 
to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files all seem to have 
formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke with Freedom Scientific 
about the problem and their conclusion is that the  files are not formatted 
to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF files using OpenBook and 
saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of junk in the file 
because of their multi column structure and the books being for the Premier 
classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to keep up with a class 
when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded in the test is a 
problem.

It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just trying to level 
the playing field for blind people who are already in or trying to get into 
the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the playing field leveled and 
attorney fees paid are welcome.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hi Tom,

I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online
and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study
materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with
ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were
flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much less accessible, as
the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped
around the screen at random.

In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC.  Kaplan had
nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo
last September and again last December.

One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for
the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day.  I
prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by
LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a
human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult
for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able to read only 14
or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of
time.  To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points
lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the
nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in
my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to
help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what the implications
are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.

If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet
with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills
at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have
the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for them to meet
with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and
acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit
for the task.

After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I
asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using
Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at
this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based
alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No,
not at this time."  I have since learned that two of my acquaintances
in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on
test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.  I would not go
so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation
decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me
that the playing field is far from level.

I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way,
and I wish you the best of luck on test day!

Regards,
Derek Wilson
www.twitter.com/culturemate
http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate

On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has 
> started
> and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files 
> just
> 3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have 
> not
> been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me
> the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get
> OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest 
> solution
> either.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Tom
>
> Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan 
> has
> demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying 
> with
> the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
> constructive dialog with them.
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> Philadelphia, PA 19111
> Tel: (215) 305-8085
> Fax: (215) 525-0999
> Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
>
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> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in
>> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
>> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>>
>>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able
>> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>>
>> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> document?
>>
>> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe
>> for the practice tests?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 16 05:07:29 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 22:07:29 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
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Hello Tom,
I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for about 20 years now 
since I graduated  from law school and I have had some success over the 
years dealing with the LSAC.  I would be happy to convert the PDF's that 
Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you can do with Open 
Book.  The files are too large to be sent as email attachments but if we can 
talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file transfer service 
that I use.  I would also like to talk with you about the legal problems 
raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.  Over the years I have 
taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was accessible, but 
my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.  However, the ADA has 
been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they get their act 
together and provide complete course accessibility.  Please give me a call 
if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244.  I am located in California, 
but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois.  I look forward to 
talking with you.
Warmest regards,
Dennis Clark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very difficult to work with
to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email instead of human
interaction. They are not willing to give much  information over the phone,
and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter in PDF files for
me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see them add some more check boxes
to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations advisors to people
who are blind.

Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended Kaplan, but it appears
that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText and when you need
to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files all seem to have
formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke with Freedom Scientific
about the problem and their conclusion is that the  files are not formatted
to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF files using OpenBook and
saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of junk in the file
because of their multi column structure and the books being for the Premier
classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to keep up with a class
when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded in the test is a
problem.

It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just trying to level
the playing field for blind people who are already in or trying to get into
the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the playing field leveled and
attorney fees paid are welcome.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hi Tom,

I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online
and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study
materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with
ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were
flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much less accessible, as
the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped
around the screen at random.

In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC.  Kaplan had
nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo
last September and again last December.

One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for
the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day.  I
prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by
LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a
human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult
for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able to read only 14
or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of
time.  To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points
lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the
nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in
my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to
help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what the implications
are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.

If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet
with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills
at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have
the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for them to meet
with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and
acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit
for the task.

After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I
asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using
Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at
this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based
alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No,
not at this time."  I have since learned that two of my acquaintances
in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on
test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.  I would not go
so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation
decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me
that the playing field is far from level.

I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way,
and I wish you the best of luck on test day!

Regards,
Derek Wilson
www.twitter.com/culturemate
http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate

On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has 
> started
> and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files 
> just
> 3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have 
> not
> been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me
> the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get
> OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest 
> solution
> either.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Tom
>
> Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan 
> has
> demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying 
> with
> the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
> constructive dialog with them.
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> Philadelphia, PA 19111
> Tel: (215) 305-8085
> Fax: (215) 525-0999
> Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
>
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> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in
>> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
>> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>>
>>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able
>> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>>
>> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> document?
>>
>> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe
>> for the practice tests?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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From joramsey at cox.net  Sun May 16 19:02:57 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 15:02:57 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology
In-Reply-To: <08978F571998447981311AD806DEC611@elizabethrene>
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Elizabeth:
Many of us use JFW with the text version of Westlaw but it is possible to
navigate Lexis and the full version of Westlaw once you familiarize yourself
with the respective page layouts. Personally, I have used the text only
version of Westlaw since 2003 and love it.
Cordially,
John

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 4:23 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology


In an earlier post today, I've asked blind lawyers to comment on their 
experience as Federal attorneys.  I mentioned there that I hadn't practiced 
for a while, pursuing instead post-graduate study and other interests 
outside the Law.

When I left my last legal position, Windows was barely accessible, most of 
my computer work was done in MS Dos, I scrutinized contracts with a CCT, and

I hunted for case law and Shepherdized opinions with an 8X magnifying glass.

Today on my laptop I use Windows XP with Service Pack Three, JAWS, and 
Kurzweil 1000.  But I've never used any of the legal databases such as 
Lexis.  Any ad hoc legal research I do these days, I do through Google.

Does anyone have suggestions on how I might finally haul myself into the 
21st century?

Which computer-based research tools work best for you, and how have you 
learned to use them?

Thanks,

Elizabeth



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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 16 19:27:59 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:27:59 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology
In-Reply-To: <08978F571998447981311AD806DEC611@elizabethrene>
References: <08978F571998447981311AD806DEC611@elizabethrene>
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Westlaw and Lexis are both accessible and as a paralegal doing research I 
have used both. While both are accessible I prefer Westlaw based on the 
layout and content. I know that Westlaw has staff that are trained to work 
with screen reader clients to provide training although I haven't availed 
myself of it.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology


> In an earlier post today, I've asked blind lawyers to comment on their 
> experience as Federal attorneys.  I mentioned there that I hadn't 
> practiced for a while, pursuing instead post-graduate study and other 
> interests outside the Law.
>
> When I left my last legal position, Windows was barely accessible, most of 
> my computer work was done in MS Dos, I scrutinized contracts with a CC, 
> and I hunted for case law and Shepherdized opinions with an 8X magnifying 
> glass.
>
> Today on my laptop I use Windows XP with Service Pack Three, JAWS, and 
> Kurzweil 1000.  But I've never used any of the legal databases such as 
> Lexis.  Any ad hoc legal research I do these days, I do through Google.
>
> Does anyone have suggestions on how I might finally haul myself into the 
> 21st century?
>
> Which computer-based research tools work best for you, and how have you 
> learned to use them?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 16 20:07:12 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:07:12 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
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Hi Dennis,

While I did not have a truly negative experience I had an experience dealing 
with a Kaplan affiliate that being Concord Law School as I was inquiring 
about on line school about a year and a half ago. I found that the live 
features of the on line site which involved live chat were not accessible 
during an on line introductory seminar. While I could listen I could not 
participate in the on line chat totally when using JAWS. As a result I did 
not pursue that as an option.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hello Tom,
I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for about 20 years now
since I graduated  from law school and I have had some success over the
years dealing with the LSAC.  I would be happy to convert the PDF's that
Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you can do with Open
Book.  The files are too large to be sent as email attachments but if we can
talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file transfer service
that I use.  I would also like to talk with you about the legal problems
raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.  Over the years I have
taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was accessible, but
my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.  However, the ADA has
been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they get their act
together and provide complete course accessibility.  Please give me a call
if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244.  I am located in California,
but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois.  I look forward to
talking with you.
Warmest regards,
Dennis Clark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very difficult to work with
to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email instead of human
interaction. They are not willing to give much  information over the phone,
and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter in PDF files for
me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see them add some more check boxes
to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations advisors to people
who are blind.

Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended Kaplan, but it appears
that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText and when you need
to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files all seem to have
formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke with Freedom Scientific
about the problem and their conclusion is that the  files are not formatted
to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF files using OpenBook and
saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of junk in the file
because of their multi column structure and the books being for the Premier
classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to keep up with a class
when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded in the test is a
problem.

It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just trying to level
the playing field for blind people who are already in or trying to get into
the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the playing field leveled and
attorney fees paid are welcome.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hi Tom,

I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online
and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study
materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with
ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were
flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much less accessible, as
the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped
around the screen at random.

In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC.  Kaplan had
nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo
last September and again last December.

One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for
the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day.  I
prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by
LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a
human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult
for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able to read only 14
or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of
time.  To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points
lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the
nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in
my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to
help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what the implications
are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.

If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet
with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills
at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have
the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for them to meet
with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and
acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit
for the task.

After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I
asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using
Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at
this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based
alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No,
not at this time."  I have since learned that two of my acquaintances
in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on
test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.  I would not go
so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation
decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me
that the playing field is far from level.

I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way,
and I wish you the best of luck on test day!

Regards,
Derek Wilson
www.twitter.com/culturemate
http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate

On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has 
> started
> and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files 
> just
> 3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have 
> not
> been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me
> the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get
> OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest 
> solution
> either.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Tom
>
> Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan 
> has
> demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying 
> with
> the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
> constructive dialog with them.
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> Philadelphia, PA 19111
> Tel: (215) 305-8085
> Fax: (215) 525-0999
> Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
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> recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination,
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>
> If you have received this communication in error, notify Attorney 
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> at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com, and permanently delete
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> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. § 2510-2521.
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>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in
>> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
>> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>>
>>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able
>> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>>
>> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> document?
>>
>> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe
>> for the practice tests?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>> _______________________________________________
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Sun May 16 21:04:37 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:04:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <49302C1FD97A497DBA07BE1B93619A7C@spike>
Message-ID: <141163.35846.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have posted something to the list a week ago with some helpful information on resourses, as well as my issues with Kaplan when practicing for a GRE.  I spoke with someone last week who told me that they have not made any changes to there flash content site or "accessible material."  So, in essence, they have not made the changes they said they would have for "future blind students."  The person declined to give a name.  I have all emails saved for reference if anyone wants names and contacts.  I hope this helps.
-William-


--- On Sun, 5/16/10, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 4:07 PM
> Hi Dennis,
> 
> While I did not have a truly negative experience I had an
> experience dealing with a Kaplan affiliate that being
> Concord Law School as I was inquiring about on line school
> about a year and a half ago. I found that the live features
> of the on line site which involved live chat were not
> accessible during an on line introductory seminar. While I
> could listen I could not participate in the on line chat
> totally when using JAWS. As a result I did not pursue that
> as an option.
> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
> 1237 P Street
> Fresno ca 93721
> 559-266-9237
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated  from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC.  I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book.  The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use.  I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course. 
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA. 
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility. 
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244.  I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois.  I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much 
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
> 
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the 
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
> 
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
> 
> 
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
> 
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC.  Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
> 
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day.  I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time.  To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
> 
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
> 
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time."  I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology. 
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
> 
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
> 
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
> 
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started.  My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format.   I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> > 
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > 
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> > 
> > 
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
> > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
> > 
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
> >  This message and/or its attachment(s) is being
> sent by a lawyer and may
> > contain privileged and confidential information and
> may be protected by
> > attorney client and work product privileges. If you
> are not the intended
> > recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention,
> dissemination,
> > reading, or copying of this communication is strictly
> prohibited.
> > 
> > If you have received this communication in error,
> notify Attorney Alcidonis
> > at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com,
> and permanently delete
> > this message from your system. This communication is
> covered by the
> > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §
> 2510-2521.
> > 
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > 
> >> Hello All.
> >> 
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format.  They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >> 
> >>  I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable.   Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >> 
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >> 
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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> > 
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 16 22:43:17 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 15:43:17 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <141163.35846.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <141163.35846.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <68FDA431A2804C2B9ED0722D92252314@spike>

This seems like it is an issue of great enough significance that NFB and its 
attorneys might want to start investigating this.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


I have posted something to the list a week ago with some helpful information 
on resourses, as well as my issues with Kaplan when practicing for a GRE.  I 
spoke with someone last week who told me that they have not made any changes 
to there flash content site or "accessible material."  So, in essence, they 
have not made the changes they said they would have for "future blind 
students."  The person declined to give a name.  I have all emails saved for 
reference if anyone wants names and contacts.  I hope this helps.
-William-


--- On Sun, 5/16/10, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 4:07 PM
> Hi Dennis,
>
> While I did not have a truly negative experience I had an
> experience dealing with a Kaplan affiliate that being
> Concord Law School as I was inquiring about on line school
> about a year and a half ago. I found that the live features
> of the on line site which involved live chat were not
> accessible during an on line introductory seminar. While I
> could listen I could not participate in the on line chat
> totally when using JAWS. As a result I did not pursue that
> as an option.
> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
> 1237 P Street
> Fresno ca 93721
> 559-266-9237
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility.
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
>
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
>
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
>
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC. Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
>
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day. I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
>
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
>
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
>
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format. I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> >
> >
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
> > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
> >
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
> > This message and/or its attachment(s) is being
> sent by a lawyer and may
> > contain privileged and confidential information and
> may be protected by
> > attorney client and work product privileges. If you
> are not the intended
> > recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention,
> dissemination,
> > reading, or copying of this communication is strictly
> prohibited.
> >
> > If you have received this communication in error,
> notify Attorney Alcidonis
> > at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com,
> and permanently delete
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> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >> Hello All.
> >>
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >>
> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable. Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >>
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
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From womankind at earthlink.net  Mon May 17 12:15:40 2010
From: womankind at earthlink.net (Stephanie Ortoleva)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 08:15:40 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] using footnotes in MS Word with Window Eyes
In-Reply-To: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADB2DCC5@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed .gov>
References: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADB2DCC5@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <E1ODzEM-0004LQ-2z@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Dear all,

Does anyone have good guidance or instructions on using footnotes in 
MS Word with Window Eyes?  I'd really apreciate it.

Stephanie


From emrene at earthlink.net  Mon May 17 18:41:51 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:41:51 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
Message-ID: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene>

Thanks to all of you who have sent your comments about using Westlaw and 
Lexis with screen reader software.

I'm very grateful to you.

And please, if there's anyone who hasn't written yet about research 
technology and techniques for blind lawyers, keep writing!

Here's some more grist for the mill.

Does anyone know of a Braille or electronic version of the Uniform System of 
Citation?

What about the Restatements of the Law?

How do you Shepherdize?

How do you draft legislation and review bills in progress?

How do you mark clerks papers on appeal?

How do you prepare trial notebooks?

What have been your best techniques for organizing and presenting oral 
argument on appeal?

I'm speaking of the use of technology re all of this.

When I practiced, I didn't have any blind lawyers to talk to, so I winged it 
a lot.  I tried cases at all levels of state court, and argued regularly 
before my state's court of appeals and supreme court.  I also conducted 
hearings and settlement conferences, and wrote formal opinions.

So I'll share my experience and advice too, for what it's worth.

Thanks,

Elizabeth



 



From rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com  Tue May 18 02:03:38 2010
From: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com (ray wayne)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:03:38 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
In-Reply-To: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene>
References: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <20100518020338.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>

We discussed some of this at our NABLIND meeting immediately following the tenBroek Syposium in Baltimore last month. We will do so again this summer in Dallas at our annual meeting. I hope you can make it to Dallas, and that you will come to our meeting. See agenda for time and location. 

Ray Wayne
Secretary, National Assoc��ation of Blind Lawyers


----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, May 17, 2010 14:54:01
Subject: [bllaw] Re Research Technology �� thank you

>
>
> Thanks to all of you who have sent your comments about using Westlaw and 
> Lexis with screen reader software.
> 
> I'm very grateful to you.
> 
> And please, if there's anyone who hasn't written yet about research 
> technology and techniques for blind lawyers, keep writing!
> 
> Here's some more grist for the mill.
> 
> Does anyone know of a Braille or electronic version of the Uniform System of 
> Citation?
> 
> What about the Restatements of the Law?
> 
> How do you Shepherdize?
> 
> How do you draft legislation and review bills in progress?
> 
> How do you mark clerks papers on appeal?
> 
> How do you prepare trial notebooks?
> 
> What have been your best techniques for organizing and presenting oral 
> argument on appeal?
> 
> I'm speaking of the use of technology re all of this.
> 
> When I practiced, I didn't have any blind lawyers to talk to, so I winged it 
> a lot.  I tried cases at all levels of state court, and argued regularly 
> before my state's court of appeals and supreme court.  I also conducted 
> hearings and settlement conferences, and wrote formal opinions.
> 
> So I'll share my experience and advice too, for what it's worth.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
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From joramsey at cox.net  Tue May 18 11:11:55 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 07:11:55 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB
Message-ID: <E28D9EC8465442DAA80AFABBD0F4D52B@noneeb869fea9a>

Hello:
I believe it was Michelle who was well versed in drafting letters or
proposals for the KNFB Reader. If so, pleas contact me off list. 
Also, I would like to get some of your input on the best course of action in
challenging DBS for denial of services. Should I contact some of the
Advocacy centers or go through the Administrative Hearing process? Noel
Probably knows a lot about this on the federal level.
Finally, do any of you know the appropriate process for removing the case
from the administrative hearing phase to the civil court phase?
 
Cordially,
John
 

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453


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communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
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messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
control.  Thank you.  

 

 

 

From attorney at alcidonislaw.com  Tue May 18 13:30:30 2010
From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esquire.)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:30:30 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB
In-Reply-To: <E28D9EC8465442DAA80AFABBD0F4D52B@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <E28D9EC8465442DAA80AFABBD0F4D52B@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <81DDBFB2E7754C4AB77FB52BFE81165C@LawOfficePC>

I am in need of a similar letter for the KNFB Reader. I would appreciate any 
assistance from a felow blind attorney, off-line please.

 Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
Philadelphia, PA 19111
Tel: (215) 305-8085
Fax: (215) 525-0999
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--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:11 AM
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB

> Hello:
> I believe it was Michelle who was well versed in drafting letters or
> proposals for the KNFB Reader. If so, pleas contact me off list.
> Also, I would like to get some of your input on the best course of action 
> in
> challenging DBS for denial of services. Should I contact some of the
> Advocacy centers or go through the Administrative Hearing process? Noel
> Probably knows a lot about this on the federal level.
> Finally, do any of you know the appropriate process for removing the case
> from the administrative hearing phase to the civil court phase?
>
> Cordially,
> John
>
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication 
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> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
> communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
> civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
> John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
> uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
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> 505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that 
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> messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
> control.  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue May 18 17:38:52 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:38:52 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: ABA GPSolo Diversity Fellowships Program - Extended
	to May 31, 2010
Message-ID: <26E2A299ACEC47D28B889B97772ADD2A@labarre>

For those who are solos or in small practices, this is an excellent way to get involved in the GP Solo Division of the ABA.  Expenses are paid to the various meetings etc.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: ABA General Practice, Solo and Small Firm Division 
To: GP-LEADERSHIP at MAIL.ABANET.ORG 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: ABA GPSolo Diversity Fellowships Program - Extended to May 31, 2010





Call for Diversity Fellowship Nomination Extended to May 31, 2010:   

The ABA General Practice, Solo and Small Firm Division is pleased to announce the sponsorship of four Diversity fellowships in the Division during the 2010-2011 bar year.  The program is designed to promote diversity within the Division and the ABA, while providing leadership development opportunities within the Division for women, attorneys of color, and those with disabilities and persons of differing sexual orientations and gender identities. Nomination applications deadline is extended to May 31, 2010.      

For further any information on the Division's fellowship programs please contact:the GPSolo Division at (312) 988-5648, (312) 988-5711 or genpractice at abanet.org.  
Visit our website at www.abanet.org/genpractice or download a DiversityFellowshipApplication1011.doc.   



Mail, fax or email completed applications and nominations to: 

                        American Bar Association 

                        GPSolo and Small Firm Division 

(Diversity or Young Lawyers) Fellowship Program

Dee C. Lee, Finance and Committees Coordinator

                        321 N. Clark Street

                        Chicago, IL 60654

                        Fax (312) 988-5711 

                        Email:  genpractice at abanet.org 




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From milicatrpevska at aol.com  Wed May 19 18:29:14 2010
From: milicatrpevska at aol.com (Milica Trpevska)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:29:14 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] New to the list LSAT?
Message-ID: <8CCC598513B2D0E-17E0-256C@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>

Hello folks

I am Mimi - short for Milica - from Macedonia. I am almost totally 
blind since birth and have just graduated from college with two majors 
in journalism and political science. I've spent four wonderful years at 
the American University in Bulgaria and they ended just as wonderfully 
with a great commencement and a senior prom.
Now that I graduated, I started thinking about preparing for the long 
and cumbersome process of applying for a law school position. I 
registered for LSAT in October in Bulgaria and am about to apply for 
accommodated testing. I've read some blogposts and papers on 
accommodated testing but will need  some pieces of advice from fellow 
blind peers who personally experienced the process. I'd like to use a 
computer in the analytical section: 0 this will be the most convenient 
method for me to to sort out and solve the problems in this section. I 
don't know, however, whether LSAC permits  such use and, if yes, which 
is the best way to approach them regarding this issue.
I am aware that some fellows, among them Ms. Stephanie Enyart, put 
together a succinct guide that would be much helpful to first-time 
applicants like myself. I would greatly appreciate if someone would 
send it my way for which I thank you all in advance. I will also 
appreciate any and all advices regarding accommodated testing as well 
as practicing for LSAT. Most of you are probably professional lawyers 
or law students who do not have as much spare time, but I would 
appreciate if someone wants to have a short chat about it on skype, MSN 
or AIM. My corresponding screen names are provided below:
skype: go-getter87,
MSN: milica.trpevska at gmail.com,
AIM: milicatrpevska at aol.com .
When adding me on either of them, please let me know that you are a 
member of the Blind Law mailing list.
Last but not least, I hope I will become a contributing member of the 
list and I look forward to getting to know some of you and to hearing 
some useful advices about LSAT and, hopefully, about the application 
process as I go along. Best, Milica Trpevska


From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 19 20:56:06 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:56:06 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
In-Reply-To: <20100518020338.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>
References: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene>
	<20100518020338.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1CF8D9DA85304DF3BFE2F74956559B24@spike>

Was this meeting recorded and will the Dallas meeting be broadcast or 
recorded for those who might not be able to attend.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ray wayne" <rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you


> We discussed some of this at our NABLIND meeting immediately following the 
> tenBroek Syposium in Baltimore last month. We will do so again this summer 
> in Dallas at our annual meeting. I hope you can make it to Dallas, and 
> that you will come to our meeting. See agenda for time and location.
>
> Ray Wayne
> Secretary, National Assocíation of Blind Lawyers
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010 14:54:01
> Subject: [bllaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all of you who have sent your comments about using Westlaw and
>> Lexis with screen reader software.
>>
>> I'm very grateful to you.
>>
>> And please, if there's anyone who hasn't written yet about research
>> technology and techniques for blind lawyers, keep writing!
>>
>> Here's some more grist for the mill.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a Braille or electronic version of the Uniform System 
>> of
>> Citation?
>>
>> What about the Restatements of the Law?
>>
>> How do you Shepherdize?
>>
>> How do you draft legislation and review bills in progress?
>>
>> How do you mark clerks papers on appeal?
>>
>> How do you prepare trial notebooks?
>>
>> What have been your best techniques for organizing and presenting oral
>> argument on appeal?
>>
>> I'm speaking of the use of technology re all of this.
>>
>> When I practiced, I didn't have any blind lawyers to talk to, so I winged 
>> it
>> a lot.  I tried cases at all levels of state court, and argued regularly
>> before my state's court of appeals and supreme court.  I also conducted
>> hearings and settlement conferences, and wrote formal opinions.
>>
>> So I'll share my experience and advice too, for what it's worth.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> bllaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> bllaw:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.com
>
>


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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Thu May 20 10:51:08 2010
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 05:51:08 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Key Stakeholders Agree on Measures to Protect Blind
 Pedestrians from Silent Cars
Message-ID: <auto-000153104782@mailfront2.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org





Key Stakeholders Agree on Measures to
Protect Blind Pedestrians from Silent Cars





Urge Passage as Part of Motor Vehicle Safety Act



Baltimore, Maryland (May 19, 2010): The National 
Federation of the Blind (NFB), the American 
Council of the Blind (ACB), the Alliance of 
Automobile Manufacturers (AAM), and the 
Association of International Automobile 
Manufacturers (AIAM) announced today that they 
have agreed on proposed legislative language that 
will protect blind pedestrians and others from 
the danger posed by silent vehicle technology. 
The four organizations are urging Congress to 
adopt and pass the language as part of the Motor 
Vehicle Safety Act of 2010­which is currently 
pending in both houses of Congress­as quickly as 
possible.  The proposed language would require 
the Department of Transportation to promulgate a 
motor vehicle safety standard requiring 
automobiles to emit a minimum level of sound to 
alert the blind and other pedestrians.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “The National 
Federation of the Blind commends the automobile 
industry for its leadership on this issue and for 
its genuine concern for the safety of blind 
Americans, cyclists, runners, small children, and 
other pedestrians.  We look forward to working 
with the parties to this agreement, the United 
States Congress, and the Department of 
Transportation to ensure that <?xml:namespace 
prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" 
/>America’s streets remain safe, both for those 
who drive and for those who do not.”



"Good policy is a collaborative effort, and this 
is a good approach for pedestrians and 
automakers," said Dave McCurdy, President and CEO 
of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers.



Because blind pedestrians cannot locate and 
evaluate traffic using their vision, they must 
listen to traffic to discern its speed, 
direction, and other attributes in order to 
travel safely and independently.  Other people, 
including pedestrians who are not blind, 
cyclists, runners, seniors, and small children, 
also benefit from hearing the sound of vehicle 
engines.  New vehicles that employ hybrid or 
electric engine technology can be silent, 
rendering them extremely dangerous in situations 
where vehicles and pedestrians come into proximity with each other.



A recent report released by the National Highway 
Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) stated that 
hybrid and electric vehicles are nearly twice as 
likely to be involved in accidents with 
pedestrians as vehicles with internal combustion engines.





###







About the National Federation of the Blind



With more than 50,000 members, the National 
Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves 
blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, 
research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.  It is the 
leading force in the blindness field today and 
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 
the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and 
training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.



From rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com  Fri May 21 02:27:58 2010
From: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com (ray wayne)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:27:58 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
In-Reply-To: <1CF8D9DA85304DF3BFE2F74956559B24@spike>
References: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene>
	<20100518020338.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>
	<1CF8D9DA85304DF3BFE2F74956559B24@spike>
Message-ID: <20100521022758.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>

It was not recorded. We have not, to my recollection, recorded our annual meetings either, though our Mock Trials are available on CD. Call me a stick in the mud, but I think these things need to be interactive. That's not to say we wouldn't record the meetings in the future, but that's up to our Board to decide. 

I don't know your situation, but I think you should think seriously about coming to convention. You can listen to the presidential report and the banquet address online, but you can't get the interpersonal interaction unless you are there! 

Ray Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: unknown <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 16:49:21
Subject: Re: [bllaw] Re Research Technology �� thank you

>
>
> Was this meeting recorded and will the Dallas meeting be broadcast or 
> recorded for those who might not be able to attend.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ray wayne" <rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [bllaw] Re Research Technology �� thank you
> 
> 
> > We discussed some of this at our NABLIND meeting immediately following the 
> > tenBroek Syposium in Baltimore last month. We will do so again this summer 
> > in Dallas at our annual meeting. I hope you can make it to Dallas, and 
> > that you will come to our meeting. See agenda for time and location.
> >
> > Ray Wayne
> > Secretary, National Assoc��ation of Blind Lawyers
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
> > To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: Monday, May 17, 2010 14:54:01
> > Subject: [bllaw] Re Research Technology �� thank you
> >
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar Thanks to all of you who have sent your comments about using Westlaw and
> >ar Lexis with screen reader software.
> >ar
> >ar I'm very grateful to you.
> >ar
> >ar And please, if there's anyone who hasn't written yet about research
> >ar technology and techniques for blind lawyers, keep writing!
> >ar
> >ar Here's some more grist for the mill.
> >ar
> >ar Does anyone know of a Braille or electronic version of the Uniform System 
> >ar of
> >ar Citation?
> >ar
> >ar What about the Restatements of the Law?
> >ar
> >ar How do you Shepherdize?
> >ar
> >ar How do you draft legislation and review bills in progress?
> >ar
> >ar How do you mark clerks papers on appeal?
> >ar
> >ar How do you prepare trial notebooks?
> >ar
> >ar What have been your best techniques for organizing and presenting oral
> >ar argument on appeal?
> >ar
> >ar I'm speaking of the use of technology re all of this.
> >ar
> >ar When I practiced, I didn't have any blind lawyers to talk to, so I winged 
> >ar it
> >ar a lot.  I tried cases at all levels of state court, and argued regularly
> >ar before my state's court of appeals and supreme court.  I also conducted
> >ar hearings and settlement conferences, and wrote formal opinions.
> >ar
> >ar So I'll share my experience and advice too, for what it's worth.
> >ar
> >ar Thanks,
> >ar
> >ar Elizabeth
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar _______________________________________________
> >ar bllaw mailing list
> >ar blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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> >ar bllaw:
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> >
> >
> 
> 
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri May 21 17:43:30 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:43:30 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: USA JOBS --- SES Enforcement Directors
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADB2EA30@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:44 AM
To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG
Subject: FW: USA JOBS --- SES Enforcement Directors

Two job postings below for DC.

William J. Phelan, IV, Esq.
Special Projects and Technology Coordinator
Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law
American Bar Association

phelanw at staff.abanet.org<mailto:phelanw at staff.abanet.org>
www.abanet.org/disability<http://www.abanet.org/disability>
________________________________
From: Mobley, Mary Lou [mailto:Mary.Lou.Mobley at ed.gov]
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:16 PM
To: Phelan, William
Subject: FW: USA JOBS --- SES Enforcement Directors

Bill,

Can you please post the announcement, below, on your listserv?

Hope all is well...

Take care,
-Mary Lou



The Office for Civil Rights at the United States Department of Education is advertising for two SES positions (Enforcement Directors), to be stationed in Washington, DC.  Please help us distribute these announcements to all qualified applicants who may be interested.

This link is for the 905 (attorney series)
http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=88155885&JobTitle=Enforcement+Director&q=Enforcement+director&where=Washington%2c+DC&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y&x=66&y=10&AVSDM=2010-05-17+14%3a51%3a00

This link is for the 360 (non-attorney series)
http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=88156145&JobTitle=Enforcement+Director&q=Enforcement+director&where=Washington%2c+DC&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y&x=66&y=10&AVSDM=2010-05-17+14%3a57%3a00

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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 22 02:45:31 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:45:31 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
In-Reply-To: <20100521022758.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>
References: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene><20100518020338.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com><1CF8D9DA85304DF3BFE2F74956559B24@spike>
	<20100521022758.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B11BFE0BE2AC480DAF923C2671AEF437@spike>

Being a self employed freelance paralegal there are lots of conventions that 
I ought to attend but as I need to promote my business which comes first 
there are many that I don't attend. In today's society there are other ways 
of being interactive than having to spend several hundred dollars in air 
fare and be unavailable to my clients for several days while attending a 
convention. I am still uncertain about whether I will be attending the 
convention in Dallas for these reasons. As my business activities do not 
involve a predominance of work with the blind I need to weigh all factors 
very carefully.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ray wayne" <rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you


> It was not recorded. We have not, to my recollection, recorded our annual 
> meetings either, though our Mock Trials are available on CD. Call me a 
> stick in the mud, but I think these things need to be interactive. That's 
> not to say we wouldn't record the meetings in the future, but that's up to 
> our Board to decide.
>
> I don't know your situation, but I think you should think seriously about 
> coming to convention. You can listen to the presidential report and the 
> banquet address online, but you can't get the interpersonal interaction 
> unless you are there!
>
> Ray Wayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: unknown <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 16:49:21
> Subject: Re: [bllaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
>
>>
>>
>> Was this meeting recorded and will the Dallas meeting be broadcast or
>> recorded for those who might not be able to attend.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "ray wayne" <rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>
>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [bllaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
>>
>>
>> > We discussed some of this at our NABLIND meeting immediately following 
>> > the
>> > tenBroek Syposium in Baltimore last month. We will do so again this 
>> > summer
>> > in Dallas at our annual meeting. I hope you can make it to Dallas, and
>> > that you will come to our meeting. See agenda for time and location.
>> >
>> > Ray Wayne
>> > Secretary, National Assocíation of Blind Lawyers
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
>> > To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > Date: Monday, May 17, 2010 14:54:01
>> > Subject: [bllaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
>> >
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar Thanks to all of you who have sent your comments about using Westlaw 
>> >and
>> >ar Lexis with screen reader software.
>> >ar
>> >ar I'm very grateful to you.
>> >ar
>> >ar And please, if there's anyone who hasn't written yet about research
>> >ar technology and techniques for blind lawyers, keep writing!
>> >ar
>> >ar Here's some more grist for the mill.
>> >ar
>> >ar Does anyone know of a Braille or electronic version of the Uniform 
>> >System
>> >ar of
>> >ar Citation?
>> >ar
>> >ar What about the Restatements of the Law?
>> >ar
>> >ar How do you Shepherdize?
>> >ar
>> >ar How do you draft legislation and review bills in progress?
>> >ar
>> >ar How do you mark clerks papers on appeal?
>> >ar
>> >ar How do you prepare trial notebooks?
>> >ar
>> >ar What have been your best techniques for organizing and presenting 
>> >oral
>> >ar argument on appeal?
>> >ar
>> >ar I'm speaking of the use of technology re all of this.
>> >ar
>> >ar When I practiced, I didn't have any blind lawyers to talk to, so I 
>> >winged
>> >ar it
>> >ar a lot.  I tried cases at all levels of state court, and argued 
>> >regularly
>> >ar before my state's court of appeals and supreme court.  I also 
>> >conducted
>> >ar hearings and settlement conferences, and wrote formal opinions.
>> >ar
>> >ar So I'll share my experience and advice too, for what it's worth.
>> >ar
>> >ar Thanks,
>> >ar
>> >ar Elizabeth
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar _______________________________________________
>> >ar bllaw mailing list
>> >ar blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> >ar http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> >ar To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> >ar bllaw:
>> >ar 
>> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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>> >
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From b75205 at gmail.com  Sat May 22 15:05:58 2010
From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:05:58 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDdxrHwu7aQdCpQCfOdCkXmxOhjPE0roywm20i@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday Google
put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet Explorer
7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign document,
and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it into
the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly
like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up in
the press as an internet threat.

The game is still up.

Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going to
demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but I did not
have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely drowning out the
noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who was making off
hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never had
that happen before.

The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  Anyway have
you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an extreme moment?

James

From joramsey at cox.net  Sat May 22 16:44:15 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:44:15 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDdxrHwu7aQdCpQCfOdCkXmxOhjPE0roywm20i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C9CC3DD79C34C3AA61CB34ED9481532@noneeb869fea9a>

Hello James:
Fortunately I have not had that happen but I have noticed that the former
page www.google.com/ie is now an advertisement for IE 8. It used to be a
wonderful scaled down version of their search engine without all of the
descriptions and graphics in the results.
Take care,
John

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P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of James Pepper
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:06 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday Google
put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet Explorer
7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign document,
and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it into
the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got slow.
I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly like a
virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up in the
press as an internet threat.

The game is still up.

Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going to
demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but I did not
have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely drowning out the
noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who was making off
hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never had
that happen before.

The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  Anyway have
you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an extreme moment?

James
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat May 22 17:25:47 2010
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:25:47 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
References: <3C9CC3DD79C34C3AA61CB34ED9481532@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <F64AF3AB7CBD408D9B1D3FE4B2AB6800@owner1e06aeb63>

IMO no great loss as the stripped-down version didn't have any headers to 
skip between search results. (grin)

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


> Hello James:
> Fortunately I have not had that happen but I have noticed that the former
> page www.google.com/ie is now an advertisement for IE 8. It used to be a
> wonderful scaled down version of their search engine without all of the
> descriptions and graphics in the results.
> Take care,
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication 
> in
> error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
> communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
> civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
> John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
> uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
> communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
> 505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that 
> email
> messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
> control.  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of James Pepper
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
>
>
> Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday 
> Google
> put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet 
> Explorer
> 7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
> Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign 
> document,
> and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it 
> into
> the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
> slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
> annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got 
> slow.
> I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly like a
> virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up in the
> press as an internet threat.
>
> The game is still up.
>
> Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going to
> demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but I did 
> not
> have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
> thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely drowning out the
> noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
> people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who was making 
> off
> hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never 
> had
> that happen before.
>
> The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
> droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  Anyway 
> have
> you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an extreme moment?
>
> James
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From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 22 17:51:16 2010
From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:51:16 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
References: <AANLkTikDdxrHwu7aQdCpQCfOdCkXmxOhjPE0roywm20i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1934EE7ED2854827B29AA59A8789B673@HP8730notebook>

hi,

relax, it was a one day 30th anniversary celebration of the release of the 
pacman game.
hopefully it will disappear soon.
if you are good, you can jump to the search box quickly and type in your 
search and start getting results before the game automatically starts.
you could have also used yahoo instead.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


> Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday 
> Google
> put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet 
> Explorer
> 7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
> Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign 
> document,
> and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it 
> into
> the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
> slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
> annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
> slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly
> like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up 
> in
> the press as an internet threat.
>
> The game is still up.
>
> Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going to
> demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but I did 
> not
> have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
> thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely drowning out the
> noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
> people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who was making 
> off
> hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never 
> had
> that happen before.
>
> The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
> droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  Anyway 
> have
> you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an extreme moment?
>
> James
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From joramsey at cox.net  Sat May 22 19:15:40 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:15:40 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <1934EE7ED2854827B29AA59A8789B673@HP8730notebook>
Message-ID: <121263641E0B49D1A52FDF4A1E09D554@noneeb869fea9a>

Does anyone know of a text based search site?

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:51 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


hi,

relax, it was a one day 30th anniversary celebration of the release of the 
pacman game.
hopefully it will disappear soon.
if you are good, you can jump to the search box quickly and type in your 
search and start getting results before the game automatically starts. you
could have also used yahoo instead.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


> Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday
> Google
> put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet 
> Explorer
> 7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
> Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign 
> document,
> and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it 
> into
> the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
> slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
> annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
> slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly
> like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up 
> in
> the press as an internet threat.
>
> The game is still up.
>
> Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going 
> to demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but 
> I did not have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that 
> I had this thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely 
> drowning out the noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see 
> how it would annoy people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  
> one guy who was making off
> hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never 
> had
> that happen before.
>
> The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it 
> kept droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  
> Anyway have you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an 
> extreme moment?
>
> James
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 22 20:09:50 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:09:50 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
References: <121263641E0B49D1A52FDF4A1E09D554@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <00a901caf9ea$bc82c270$6601a8c0@server>

Hi John,
Gail posted a modified google option yesterday and it looks pretty good.  It 
is similar to the old one which ended with /IE.  The new address is:

http://labs.google.com/accessible/

Actually it looks a little better then our old one because this gives a line 
or so of text from the site.  Let me know what you think.
Best,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


> Does anyone know of a text based search site?
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication 
> in
> error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
> communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
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> John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
> uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
> communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
> 505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that 
> email
> messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
> control.  Thank you.
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:51 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
>
>
> hi,
>
> relax, it was a one day 30th anniversary celebration of the release of the
> pacman game.
> hopefully it will disappear soon.
> if you are good, you can jump to the search box quickly and type in your
> search and start getting results before the game automatically starts. you
> could have also used yahoo instead.
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:05 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
>
>
>> Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday
>> Google
>> put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet
>> Explorer
>> 7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
>> Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign
>> document,
>> and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it
>> into
>> the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
>> slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
>> annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
>> slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly
>> like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up
>> in
>> the press as an internet threat.
>>
>> The game is still up.
>>
>> Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going
>> to demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but
>> I did not have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that
>> I had this thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely
>> drowning out the noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see
>> how it would annoy people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of
>> one guy who was making off
>> hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never
>> had
>> that happen before.
>>
>> The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it
>> kept droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.
>> Anyway have you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an
>> extreme moment?
>>
>> James
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> blindlaw:
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> al.net
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat May 22 21:00:19 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:00:19 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <121263641E0B49D1A52FDF4A1E09D554@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <1934EE7ED2854827B29AA59A8789B673@HP8730notebook>
	<121263641E0B49D1A52FDF4A1E09D554@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <auto-000154759789@mailfront1.g2host.com>

By definition virtually all search sites are text-based.  I suspect 
you are asking a different question?

Dave

At 02:15 PM 5/22/2010, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of a text based search site?

                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920



From joramsey at cox.net  Sat May 22 21:38:39 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:38:39 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <auto-000154759789@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <94D57D2D51CF4250B9A9E0CFAFB65B70@noneeb869fea9a>

Yes Dave,
I was not trying to get too technical. I believe Dennis has answered my
question.

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication in
error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
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John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:00 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


By definition virtually all search sites are text-based.  I suspect 
you are asking a different question?

Dave

At 02:15 PM 5/22/2010, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of a text based search site?

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From emrene at earthlink.net  Sat May 22 22:46:28 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:46:28 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors
Message-ID: <61DD3B690570462B96FD3C2740DF3B48@elizabethrene>

What is the SES?

Elizabeth 




From LBlake at nfb.org  Mon May 24 12:28:31 2010
From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:28:31 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] 2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium
Message-ID: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B028D178D@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>

Dear Blindlaw list members:
 
Links to recordings of the plenary sessions and keynote addresses from
the 2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium are now available on
the symposium Web page.  Go to http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Law_Symposium.asp
to hear:
 
Theme Keynote Address

Tony Coelho, Chairman of the Board, American Association of People with
Disabilities

 

Panel I--Changing the Game

Presenter: Richard Brown, Chief Judge, Wisconsin Court of Appeals

Presenter: David Ferleger, Esquire, Law Office of David Ferleger

 

2010 Keynote Address

Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General, Civil Rights Division, United
States Department of Justice

 

Panel II--Education Plenary Session

Presenter: Leslie Seid Margolis, Managing Attorney, Education Unit,
Maryland Disability Law Center

Presenter: Mark Weber, Vincent dePaul Professor of Law, DePaul
University College of Law

 

Panel III--Caucus/Open Discussion

Facilitator: Andrew Imparato, President and CEO, American Association of
People with Disabilities

 

Panel IV--Access to Technology Plenary Session

Presenter: Dan Goldstein, Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP

Presenter: Mehgan Sidhu, Esquire, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP

 

Panel V--Medical Treatment/Ethics Plenary Session

Presenter: Adrienne Asch, Director, Center for Ethics, Yeshiva
University

Presenter, Dan Brock, Director, Division of Medical Ethics, Harvard
Medical School

 
 
Lou Ann Blake, J.D.
Law Symposium Coordinator
Jacobus tenBroek Library
Jernigan Institute
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
200 East Wells Street
    at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221
Fax: (410) 659-5129
E-mail: lblake at nfb.org <mailto:lblake at nfb.org> 
Web site: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org/> 
 
  
 

From cathrynisfinally at verizon.net  Mon May 24 15:12:35 2010
From: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net (Cathryn Bonnette)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:12:35 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors
In-Reply-To: <61DD3B690570462B96FD3C2740DF3B48@elizabethrene>
References: <61DD3B690570462B96FD3C2740DF3B48@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <2F5F354494254F899E03219978F8A112@14bd0130080a469>

Elizabeth- and all,

SES stands for Senior Executive Service" and is at grade level 15 or above.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:46 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors

What is the SES?

Elizabeth 



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From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:27:44 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors
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	<2F5F354494254F899E03219978F8A112@14bd0130080a469>
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Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors


> Elizabeth- and all,
>
> SES stands for Senior Executive Service" and is at grade level 15 or 
> above.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:46 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors
>
> What is the SES?
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
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From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 24 15:35:32 2010
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:35:32 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
Message-ID: <615C943FB3C4428D8C2A769BFC60DDF8@DANELLIEVANDAWN>

I am a user of JAWS for accessibility to computers.  Yesterday, a friend gave me a short demonstration of the Universal Accessibility program on his Apple McIntosh.  I am, also, aware that Windows Vista and 07 come with similar programs called Windows Narrator.

Is there anyone out there that is utilizing said programs in lieu of JAWS.  I would appreciate your input regarding said programs.

Dan McBride, Attorney
Fort Worth, Texas

From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Mon May 24 18:42:47 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:42:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
In-Reply-To: <615C943FB3C4428D8C2A769BFC60DDF8@DANELLIEVANDAWN>
Message-ID: <186150.2276.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


The programs on windows require a use of a mouse.  Therefore, they are not accessible to individuals who do not use a mouse.
--- On Mon, 5/24/10, dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 11:35 AM
> I am a user of JAWS for accessibility
> to computers.  Yesterday, a friend gave me a short
> demonstration of the Universal Accessibility program on his
> Apple McIntosh.  I am, also, aware that Windows Vista
> and 07 come with similar programs called Windows Narrator.
> 
> Is there anyone out there that is utilizing said programs
> in lieu of JAWS.  I would appreciate your input
> regarding said programs.
> 
> Dan McBride, Attorney
> Fort Worth, Texas
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Mon May 24 18:42:57 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:42:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
In-Reply-To: <615C943FB3C4428D8C2A769BFC60DDF8@DANELLIEVANDAWN>
Message-ID: <904984.29624.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


The programs on windows require a use of a mouse.  Therefore, they are not accessible to individuals who do not use a mouse.
--- On Mon, 5/24/10, dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 11:35 AM
> I am a user of JAWS for accessibility
> to computers.  Yesterday, a friend gave me a short
> demonstration of the Universal Accessibility program on his
> Apple McIntosh.  I am, also, aware that Windows Vista
> and 07 come with similar programs called Windows Narrator.
> 
> Is there anyone out there that is utilizing said programs
> in lieu of JAWS.  I would appreciate your input
> regarding said programs.
> 
> Dan McBride, Attorney
> Fort Worth, Texas
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From dravant at ameritech.net  Mon May 24 19:09:51 2010
From: dravant at ameritech.net (denise avant)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 12:09:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
In-Reply-To: <615C943FB3C4428D8C2A769BFC60DDF8@DANELLIEVANDAWN>
Message-ID: <115360.83766.qm@web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,
narrator is not an option in windows. you only want to use that when you're without jfw for whatever reason to inspect the screen. as for apple's voiceover, there is a list, and if you're contimeplating getting an appel, go to www.maccessibility.net, and look for the link regarding the mac, and signing up on the macvisionaries list. also, if you're attending the nfb convention this year in dallas, apple reps will be there.

f--- On Mon, 5/24/10, dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 10:35 AM


I am a user of JAWS for accessibility to computers.  Yesterday, a friend gave me a short demonstration of the Universal Accessibility program on his Apple McIntosh.  I am, also, aware that Windows Vista and 07 come with similar programs called Windows Narrator.

Is there anyone out there that is utilizing said programs in lieu of JAWS.  I would appreciate your input regarding said programs.

Dan McBride, Attorney
Fort Worth, Texas
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 24 21:46:20 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:46:20 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
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The functionality of those programs is rudimentary at best. You do not have 
the same degree of control of reading functions such as spped and delivery 
that you would have with an actual screen reader like JAWS. They work well 
for trouble shooting or at times when JAWS is disabled for some reason.
Chuck
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Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:35 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options


>I am a user of JAWS for accessibility to computers.  Yesterday, a friend 
>gave me a short demonstration of the Universal Accessibility program on his 
>Apple McIntosh.  I am, also, aware that Windows Vista and 07 come with 
>similar programs called Windows Narrator.
>
> Is there anyone out there that is utilizing said programs in lieu of JAWS. 
> I would appreciate your input regarding said programs.
>
> Dan McBride, Attorney
> Fort Worth, Texas
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From cathrynisfinally at verizon.net  Mon May 24 22:16:18 2010
From: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net (Cathryn Bonnette)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:16:18 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
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James,

I've had similar experiences in government agency meetings regardless of the
volume level. For people who are not used to hearing the computer voice, the
effect is annoying.

Cathryn

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of James Pepper
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:06 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7

Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday Google
put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet Explorer
7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign document,
and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it into
the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly
like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up in
the press as an internet threat.

The game is still up.

Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going to
demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but I did not
have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely drowning out the
noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who was making off
hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never had
that happen before.

The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  Anyway have
you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an extreme moment?

James
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Mon May 24 22:40:35 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:40:35 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
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Frankly, even as a blind person who understands a screen reader, I would
find a chattering computer more than distracting, perhaps even more so
because I could understand the chattering.  In cases where I am taking notes
at a meeting I simply use an earpiece to comfortably take notes and
participate in the meeting in progress.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cathryn Bonnette
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:16 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7

James,

I've had similar experiences in government agency meetings 
regardless of the
volume level. For people who are not used to hearing the 
computer voice, the
effect is annoying.

Cathryn

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of James Pepper
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:06 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7

Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and 
yesterday Google
put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze 
Internet Explorer
7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my 
InDesign document,
and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just 
loaded it into
the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is 
invasive and it
slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game 
but it just
annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect 
was exactly
like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it 
didn't show up in
the press as an internet threat.

The game is still up.

Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen 
reader going to
demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant 
but I did not
have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely 
drowning out the
noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who 
was making off
hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit 
extreme. Never had
that happen before.

The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do. 
 Anyway have
you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an 
extreme moment?

James
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From DFrye at nfb.org  Mon May 24 22:54:51 2010
From: DFrye at nfb.org (Frye, Dan)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:54:51 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Rod of Philadelphia
Message-ID: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B028D1C6C@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>

Rod:
 
I need to find you, the attorney licensed in Pennsylvania and New
jersey. If you remain on this list, please contact me off list using the
detail below in my signature block. Thank you.
 
With Kind Regards,
 
***********************
Daniel B. Frye, J.D.
Editor
The Braille Monitor
National Federation of the Blind
Office of the President
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21230
Telephone: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2208
Mobile: (410) 241-7006
Fax: (410) 685-5653
Email: DFrye at nfb.org
Web Address: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org/> 
"Voice of the Nation's Blind"
 

From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 25 01:45:15 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:45:15 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Rod of Philadelphia
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Message-ID: <00d201cafbab$ec56a080$6601a8c0@server>

Hi Dan,
I am pretty sure that Rod's email address is:

Attorney at alcidonislaw.com <Attorney at alcidonislaw.com>

He posted on the list within the past couple of weeks.
All the best,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frye, Dan" <DFrye at nfb.org>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:54 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Rod of Philadelphia


> Rod:
>
> I need to find you, the attorney licensed in Pennsylvania and New
> jersey. If you remain on this list, please contact me off list using the
> detail below in my signature block. Thank you.
>
> With Kind Regards,
>
> ***********************
> Daniel B. Frye, J.D.
> Editor
> The Braille Monitor
> National Federation of the Blind
> Office of the President
> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
> Baltimore, Maryland 21230
> Telephone: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2208
> Mobile: (410) 241-7006
> Fax: (410) 685-5653
> Email: DFrye at nfb.org
> Web Address: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org/>
> "Voice of the Nation's Blind"
>
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From attorney at alcidonislaw.com  Tue May 25 13:57:30 2010
From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esquire.)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:57:30 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Rod of Philadelphia
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Hello friends:

I have replied to Dan off-list as he requested.

Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
Philadelphia, PA 19111
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From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:45 PM
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Rod of Philadelphia

> Hi Dan,
> I am pretty sure that Rod's email address is:
>
> Attorney at alcidonislaw.com <Attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
>
> He posted on the list within the past couple of weeks.
> All the best,
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frye, Dan" <DFrye at nfb.org>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:54 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Rod of Philadelphia
>
>
>> Rod:
>>
>> I need to find you, the attorney licensed in Pennsylvania and New
>> jersey. If you remain on this list, please contact me off list using the
>> detail below in my signature block. Thank you.
>>
>> With Kind Regards,
>>
>> ***********************
>> Daniel B. Frye, J.D.
>> Editor
>> The Braille Monitor
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> Office of the President
>> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
>> Baltimore, Maryland 21230
>> Telephone: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2208
>> Mobile: (410) 241-7006
>> Fax: (410) 685-5653
>> Email: DFrye at nfb.org
>> Web Address: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org/>
>> "Voice of the Nation's Blind"
>>
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From tom at tomladis.com  Tue May 25 17:01:24 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:01:24 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Pomaro to host meeting for blind lawyers
Message-ID: <C3BE4A472C3746F19EBCDBAE3A12B99B@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>



  Pomaro to host meeting for blind lawyers
  By Maria Kantzavelos
  Law Bulletin staff writer




  Nicholas T. Pomaro is well aware of the difficulties associated with a 
tight job market for lawyers looking for work in the current economic 
climate.

  But those problems, he said, "are tenfold for a blind person."

  "This is not sour grapes. This is just a reality," said Pomaro, a retired 
Cook County associate judge and former prosecutor who is blind. "Blind 
people, in general, have difficulty in finding work because, if they are 
able to do the work, the natural fears that sighted people have of blind 
people - the assumption is, they can't do certain things."

  Pomaro, who has been blind since age six, was told by a school 
administrator during law school that he could never be a trial attorney 
because he couldn't see facial expressions of witnesses and jurors. He 
graduated from The John Marshall Law School in 1964 and for about a decade 
before he rose to the bench, Pomaro worked as an assistant Cook County 
state's attorney prosecuting criminal felony cases.

  "It's true. I can't see facial expressions; I can't see body language. But 
a well-dressed, beautiful woman isn't necessarily truthful," Pomaro said. "I 
think I get much more out of voice inflections than other people do. . You 
learn to compensate. I lack sight, but I think I've developed other 
instincts."

  Pomaro retired from the bench in 2005. Today, he runs the Kane Legal 
Clinic located at The Chicago Lighthouse, 1850 W. Roosevelt Road.

  The clinic provides free legal services to blind or visually impaired 
people on low-incomes who seek representation in matters such as those 
related to job discrimination, social security, tax issues, and other civil 
matters, as well as assistance in criminal defense.

  But beginning at 1:30 p.m. on June 3, the clinic is scheduled to be the 
place where visually impaired and blind lawyers in the Chicago area are to 
meet in an effort to share mutual concerns, as well as to gauge support for 
forming a local association of blind attorneys and blind people interested 
in pursuing careers in law.

  Pomaro is serving as the meeting's host.

  "The thought was, there are a number of blind attorneys in the Chicagoland 
area," he said. "I think many attorneys nowadays are struggling because of 
the economy. And I know there are people who are visually impaired and 
thinking of the law as a profession. I thought it might be a good idea to 
get visually impaired people who are lawyers, or interested in the law, to 
discuss problems or issues that are unique to the visually impaired 
community and, with those discussions, see if we can help people."

  The gathering will serve as a brainstorming session, Pomaro said, to 
explore ideas of how local blind lawyers could network and help one another.

  For example, "I don't know how good of an idea it is, but I have never 
heard of a law firm made up of blind attorneys," Pomaro said. "Usually 
attorneys have specialties, and maybe you can find three, four or five who 
have particular skills in particular areas of the law, and they can form a 
loose association and refer cases to each other, or help each other out, or 
form a law firm."

  The former judge also hopes the forum will provide inspiration to newer 
attorneys who are blind, or to blind people interested in pursuing a career 
in law.

  When Pomaro was starting out, he said, "It was very helpful to me to know 
that other blind people succeeded in other fields."

  By late last week, Pomaro said, about 20 visually impaired and blind law 
students and attorneys responded to his call for a meeting, including 
several veteran attorneys.

  "Letting people know that it can be done, that these are blind people who 
have made it in these various areas of the law, I think, is helpful to 
them," Pomaro said. "We're trying to give people hope. It was important to 
me, and I think it's important to everyone to have hope."

  Pomaro pointed out the existence of the National Association of Blind 
Lawyers, a membership organization of blind attorneys, law students, judges 
and others in the law field that provides support and information regarding 
employment, techniques used by the blind, advocacy, laws affecting the blind 
and other issues for blind lawyers. But he said he is not aware of an 
association for lawyers in the Chicago area.

  Anthony J. Thomas, an assistant Cook County public defender in the Felony 
Trial Division, serves as an officer in the National Association of Blind 
Lawyers. A local association for blind and visually impaired lawyers to 
share resources and expertise, he said, sounds like a good idea.

  "Attorneys who are blind have different kinds of issues with which to deal 
than does a sighted attorney," Thomas said. "And, other blind attorneys who 
have gone through the process of going to school and getting an education, 
and dealing with the job market and how people respond to you in the 
practice of law - all those things come into play. And sometimes people can 
share information in terms of how to problem solve when certain situations 
arise."

  Assistant U.S. Attorney Yusef A. Dale, who was legally blind at birth and 
became totally blind at age 23, said there are plenty "tricks of the trade" 
that could be shared via a local association of blind lawyers.

  "There are blind lawyers who are practicing successfully out here," Dale 
said. "That's one of the reasons this organization is needed - to bridge 
that gap and exchange ideas of how best to bridge that gap."

  Blind lawyers, Dale said, generally have a disproportionate difficulty in 
getting hired, "Particularly because it's commonly believed, incorrectly so, 
that sight is paramount to being a good lawyer because it is so print 
driven."

  The federal prosecutor who serves in the financial crimes and special 
prosecutions unit in Chicago said being prepared with "all your tools in 
your tool box" is key to making it work. Those tools, he said, could be the 
technology tools such as computers with Braille keyboards and special screen 
reading software, as well as human resources.

  Thomas counts himself among the fortunate ones in that he was hired for 
the one job for which he applied after law school. He has been serving in 
the public defender's office since 1986.

  "My situation is not typical of most people," he said. "Most people I have 
talked to have told stories about how they've interviewed at dozens of 
places and have been shut out."

  Thomas has been totally blind since he was 8. Born with glaucoma and no 
sight in his left eye and limited sight in his right eye, he was totally 
blinded when he was struck in the right eye while wrestling with another 
boy.

  As a trial lawyer who appears each day in the Criminal Courts Building at 
26th Street and California Avenue, Thomas has an assistant who has been 
hired by the county to read and write for him. The assistant also 
accompanies him to court, as well as to investigations of crime scenes and 
to interviews with clients and witnesses.

  "One of the things that I've experienced in my practice is that many 
people who are surprised when they meet me and discover I'm blind, after 
they talk to me for a few minutes, whatever feelings of trepidation they 
might have had dissipated," Thomas said.

  Thomas said he has mentored many blind people interested in practicing 
law. He often finds himself offering this advice: "If you believe in 
yourself and if you project a positive, confident demeanor and image to your 
client, your client will not see you as a blind lawyer, your client will see 
you as their lawyer."

  "What you are doing for the client starts in your mind," Thomas said. "The 
client has to believe in you. And the client cannot believe in you if you 
don't believe in yourself."

  For more information about the upcoming meeting for blind lawyers and 
students, call Pomaro at (312) 666-1331, ext. 3112.





From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 25 20:13:36 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:13:36 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Law Firm Management Software
Message-ID: <019901cafc46$c2013610$6601a8c0@server>

Hello Everyone,
Has anyone had any success using jaws or WindowEyes with any of the law firm management packages?  In particular I am thinking of Time Slips or Amicus Attorney but I am willing to purchase which ever management package is most accessible.  I am currently using Jaws but if WindowEyes will work better with a law firm management package I will go that direction.  Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Warmest regards,
Dennis

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue May 25 21:34:27 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:34:27 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: 2010-2011 ABA Division for Public Services Clerkship
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Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:38 AM
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Subject: 2010-2011 ABA Division for Public Services Clerkship

Please see the attached.

For law students at ABA-accredited law schools only.

The Commission is under the ABA Division for Public Services.

William J. Phelan, IV, Esq.
Special Projects and Technology Coordinator
Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law
American Bar Association
740 15th Street, NW, 9th Floor
Washington, DC 20005-1022

T: 202.662.1576
F: 202.442.3439
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From tom at tomladis.com  Wed May 26 12:11:01 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:11:01 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
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Hello Dennis and All,

Sorry to have dropped off for a while.  I have been trying to catch up with 
the reading that I have been able to do.  Kaplan has not yet provided the 
books in PDF files that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what 
they have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting issues due 
to table conversion issues.  I have also not done any of their online 
exercises.  Once I am able to take the LSAT in June I will have more time to 
pursue all of these issues with Kaplan.

At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing to act as a 
reader / scribe for my first practice exam.  To my amazement, after using 
the Princeton Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was 
able to score a 137.  Not great or high enough to get into many schools, but 
probably a good first attempt.

I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have not verified her 
statement, that the LSAT is being administered on a computer starting this 
year.  If that is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that 
will put everyone into the same ball park.  They are still going to provide 
my test in a printed format along with a reader and scribe.  This tells me 
that they are not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen 
reader application.  She reported that people did not like the computer 
format because it did not allow them to do their roadmaps and notation on 
the booklet, which is how Kaplan trains test takers.

More later as I try to get another practice exam or three done before the 
actual test.

Dennis.  I will call you today to try to arrange sending the Lesson Book PDF 
to see if you have any better luck with the tables.  I have just been 
avoiding the question text that got jumbled during conversion, and 
appreciate your offer of support.



Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hello Tom,
I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for about 20 years now
since I graduated  from law school and I have had some success over the
years dealing with the LSAC.  I would be happy to convert the PDF's that
Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you can do with Open
Book.  The files are too large to be sent as email attachments but if we can
talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file transfer service
that I use.  I would also like to talk with you about the legal problems
raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.  Over the years I have
taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was accessible, but
my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.  However, the ADA has
been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they get their act
together and provide complete course accessibility.  Please give me a call
if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244.  I am located in California,
but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois.  I look forward to
talking with you.
Warmest regards,
Dennis Clark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very difficult to work with
to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email instead of human
interaction. They are not willing to give much  information over the phone,
and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter in PDF files for
me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see them add some more check boxes
to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations advisors to people
who are blind.

Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended Kaplan, but it appears
that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText and when you need
to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files all seem to have
formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke with Freedom Scientific
about the problem and their conclusion is that the  files are not formatted
to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF files using OpenBook and
saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of junk in the file
because of their multi column structure and the books being for the Premier
classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to keep up with a class
when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded in the test is a
problem.

It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just trying to level
the playing field for blind people who are already in or trying to get into
the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the playing field leveled and
attorney fees paid are welcome.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hi Tom,

I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online
and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study
materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with
ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were
flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much less accessible, as
the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped
around the screen at random.

In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC.  Kaplan had
nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo
last September and again last December.

One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for
the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day.  I
prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by
LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a
human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult
for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able to read only 14
or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of
time.  To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points
lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the
nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in
my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to
help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what the implications
are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.

If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet
with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills
at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have
the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for them to meet
with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and
acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit
for the task.

After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I
asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using
Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at
this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based
alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No,
not at this time."  I have since learned that two of my acquaintances
in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on
test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.  I would not go
so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation
decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me
that the playing field is far from level.

I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way,
and I wish you the best of luck on test day!

Regards,
Derek Wilson
www.twitter.com/culturemate
http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate

On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has 
> started
> and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files 
> just
> 3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have 
> not
> been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me
> the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get
> OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest 
> solution
> either.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Tom
>
> Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan 
> has
> demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying 
> with
> the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
> constructive dialog with them.
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> Philadelphia, PA 19111
> Tel: (215) 305-8085
> Fax: (215) 525-0999
> Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
>  This message and/or its attachment(s) is being sent by a lawyer and may
> contain privileged and confidential information and may be protected by
> attorney client and work product privileges. If you are not the intended
> recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination,
> reading, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
>
> If you have received this communication in error, notify Attorney 
> Alcidonis
> at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com, and permanently delete
> this message from your system. This communication is covered by the
> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. § 2510-2521.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in
>> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
>> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>>
>>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able
>> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>>
>> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> document?
>>
>> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe
>> for the practice tests?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Wed May 26 15:35:47 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:35:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <6539E4A36B6140989C419787B8560DC7@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <553176.44406.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software" and online exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were from local agencies who volunteered there time.  I would start to make consumer complaints since you are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> Hello Dennis and All,
> 
> Sorry to have dropped off for a while.  I have been
> trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to
> do.  Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files
> that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they
> have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting
> issues due to table conversion issues.  I have also not
> done any of their online exercises.  Once I am able to
> take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of
> these issues with Kaplan.
> 
> At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing
> to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> exam.  To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was
> able to score a 137.  Not great or high enough to get
> into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
> 
> I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have
> not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> administered on a computer starting this year.  If that
> is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that
> will put everyone into the same ball park.  They are
> still going to provide my test in a printed format along
> with a reader and scribe.  This tells me that they are
> not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen
> reader application.  She reported that people did not
> like the computer format because it did not allow them to do
> their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how
> Kaplan trains test takers.
> 
> More later as I try to get another practice exam or three
> done before the actual test.
> 
> Dennis.  I will call you today to try to arrange
> sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better
> luck with the tables.  I have just been avoiding the
> question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> appreciate your offer of support.
> 
> 
> 
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated  from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC.  I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book.  The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use.  I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course. 
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA. 
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility. 
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244.  I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois.  I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much 
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
> 
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the 
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
> 
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
> 
> 
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
> 
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC.  Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
> 
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day.  I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time.  To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
> 
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
> 
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time."  I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology. 
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
> 
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
> 
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
> 
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started.  My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format.   I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> > 
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > 
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> > 
> > 
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
> > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
> > 
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
> >  This message and/or its attachment(s) is being
> sent by a lawyer and may
> > contain privileged and confidential information and
> may be protected by
> > attorney client and work product privileges. If you
> are not the intended
> > recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention,
> dissemination,
> > reading, or copying of this communication is strictly
> prohibited.
> > 
> > If you have received this communication in error,
> notify Attorney Alcidonis
> > at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com,
> and permanently delete
> > this message from your system. This communication is
> covered by the
> > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §
> 2510-2521.
> > 
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > 
> >> Hello All.
> >> 
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format.  They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >> 
> >>  I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable.   Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >> 
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >> 
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> blindlaw mailing list
> >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From b75205 at gmail.com  Wed May 26 19:58:34 2010
From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:58:34 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <3D05BE5B61DA41B1A24B3035988F2A24@Rufus>
References: <AANLkTikDdxrHwu7aQdCpQCfOdCkXmxOhjPE0roywm20i@mail.gmail.com>
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Well I was demonstrating my process of accessibility and it was only for a
minute and I was closing it down when these people arrived and got very hot
and heavy in a short period of time.  It was an immediate effect.

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:

> Frankly, even as a blind person who understands a screen reader, I would
> find a chattering computer more than distracting, perhaps even more so
> because I could understand the chattering.  In cases where I am taking
> notes
> at a meeting I simply use an earpiece to comfortably take notes and
> participate in the meeting in progress.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cathryn Bonnette
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:16 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>  Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
>
> James,
>
> I've had similar experiences in government agency meetings
> regardless of the
> volume level. For people who are not used to hearing the
> computer voice, the
> effect is annoying.
>
> Cathryn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of James Pepper
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
>
> Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and
> yesterday Google
> put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze
> Internet Explorer
> 7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
> Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my
> InDesign document,
> and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just
> loaded it into
> the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is
> invasive and it
> slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game
> but it just
> annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
> slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect
> was exactly
> like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it
> didn't show up in
> the press as an internet threat.
>
> The game is still up.
>
> Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen
> reader going to
> demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant
> but I did not
> have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
> thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely
> drowning out the
> noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
> people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who
> was making off
> hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit
> extreme. Never had
> that happen before.
>
> The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
> droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.
>  Anyway have
> you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an
> extreme moment?
>
> James
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From JHartle at nfb.org  Thu May 27 02:48:00 2010
From: JHartle at nfb.org (Hartle,
	Jesse)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:48:00 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Legislative Alert - Motor Vehicle Safety Act
Message-ID: <auto-000155390484@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Dear Fellow Federationists:

I am writing to report that all of our hard work on the issue of 
silent cars is paying off.  Language that will protect the blind and 
others from the danger posed by silent hybrid and electric vehicles 
has been favorably reported to the United States House of 
Representatives by the Committee on Energy and Commerce as part of 
the Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 2010 (H.R. 5381).  This legislation, 
which is a comprehensive bill to address numerous vehicle safety 
issues raised by the recent Toyota recalls, now includes language 
agreed to by the National Federation of the Blind, the Alliance of 
Automobile Manufacturers, and the Association of International 
Automobile Manufacturers.  If passed by the House of Representatives 
and adopted by the Senate, this language will require the Department 
of Transportation to issue regulations requiring a minimum sound 
standard for hybrid and electric automobiles.

This victory is a product of our hard work and the cooperation of the 
automobile industry, but we will need to remain vigilant to make sure 
this bill becomes law.  We will keep you apprised of developments and 
let you know if action needs to be taken to secure this victory.

Thank you again for all you do.

Sincerely,


Jesse M. Hartle
Government Programs Specialist
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
Telephone:  (410) 659-9314, extension 2233
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From tom at tomladis.com  Thu May 27 14:20:18 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:20:18 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
References: <553176.44406.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9720AC68866B42FBA15B9D082F15B171@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

This has all been a big drag.  Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned 
and will be representing me to get things straightened out and wake them up 
a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do something under a 
cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It may take litigation 
to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it one step at a 
time.


Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the spirit of the ADA 
legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them until they can 
level things off for the next guy.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software" and online 
exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were from local agencies who 
volunteered there time.  I would start to make consumer complaints since you 
are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom Ladis 
<tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> Hello Dennis and All,
>
> Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
> trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to
> do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files
> that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they
> have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting
> issues due to table conversion issues. I have also not
> done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
> take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of
> these issues with Kaplan.
>
> At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing
> to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was
> able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
> into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
>
> I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have
> not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> administered on a computer starting this year. If that
> is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that
> will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
> still going to provide my test in a printed format along
> with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
> not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen
> reader application. She reported that people did not
> like the computer format because it did not allow them to do
> their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how
> Kaplan trains test takers.
>
> More later as I try to get another practice exam or three
> done before the actual test.
>
> Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
> sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better
> luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
> question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> appreciate your offer of support.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility.
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
>
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
>
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
>
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC. Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
>
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day. I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
>
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
>
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
>
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format. I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> >
> >
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
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> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >> Hello All.
> >>
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >>
> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable. Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >>
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
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From squierr at comcast.net  Thu May 27 17:09:30 2010
From: squierr at comcast.net (Renee Squier)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:09:30 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
References: <553176.44406.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9720AC68866B42FBA15B9D082F15B171@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <14ec01cafdbf$5f1a2410$6701a8c0@BECKY>

Hi Tom and all,
I to am studying for the LSAT in June.
Tom could you please contact me off list at squierr at comcast.net.
Thank you all for some of the most interesting conversations.
Renee

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


This has all been a big drag.  Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned
and will be representing me to get things straightened out and wake them up
a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do something under a
cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It may take litigation
to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it one step at a
time.


Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the spirit of the ADA
legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them until they can
level things off for the next guy.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software" and online
exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were from local agencies who
volunteered there time.  I would start to make consumer complaints since you
are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom Ladis
<tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> Hello Dennis and All,
>
> Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
> trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to
> do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files
> that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they
> have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting
> issues due to table conversion issues. I have also not
> done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
> take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of
> these issues with Kaplan.
>
> At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing
> to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was
> able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
> into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
>
> I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have
> not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> administered on a computer starting this year. If that
> is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that
> will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
> still going to provide my test in a printed format along
> with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
> not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen
> reader application. She reported that people did not
> like the computer format because it did not allow them to do
> their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how
> Kaplan trains test takers.
>
> More later as I try to get another practice exam or three
> done before the actual test.
>
> Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
> sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better
> luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
> question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> appreciate your offer of support.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility.
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
>
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
>
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
>
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC. Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
>
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day. I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
>
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
>
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
>
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format. I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> >
> >
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
> > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
> >
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> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >> Hello All.
> >>
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >>
> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable. Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >>
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Thu May 27 21:01:34 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <9720AC68866B42FBA15B9D082F15B171@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <912239.25343.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Agreed.  Let me know what I can do to help when or if needed.


--- On Thu, 5/27/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 10:20 AM
> This has all been a big drag. 
> Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned 
> and will be representing me to get things straightened out
> and wake them up 
> a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do
> something under a 
> cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It
> may take litigation 
> to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it
> one step at a 
> time.
> 
> 
> Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the
> spirit of the ADA 
> legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them
> until they can 
> level things off for the next guy.
> 
> 
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software"
> and online 
> exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were
> from local agencies who 
> volunteered there time.  I would start to make
> consumer complaints since you 
> are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom
> Ladis 
> <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> > Hello Dennis and All,
> >
> > Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
> > trying to catch up with the reading that I have been
> able to
> > do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF
> files
> > that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what
> they
> > have sent me but not reading the stuff that has
> formatting
> > issues due to table conversion issues. I have also
> not
> > done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
> > take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue
> all of
> > these issues with Kaplan.
> >
> > At this point, I was able to find a friend who was
> willing
> > to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> > exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> > Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section,
> I was
> > able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
> > into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
> >
> > I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I
> have
> > not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> > administered on a computer starting this year. If
> that
> > is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction
> that
> > will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
> > still going to provide my test in a printed format
> along
> > with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
> > not able to administer the test with JAWS or another
> screen
> > reader application. She reported that people did not
> > like the computer format because it did not allow them
> to do
> > their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is
> how
> > Kaplan trains test takers.
> >
> > More later as I try to get another practice exam or
> three
> > done before the actual test.
> >
> > Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
> > sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any
> better
> > luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
> > question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> > appreciate your offer of support.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> > <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Hello Tom,
> > I have been trying to get the playing field leveled
> for
> > about 20 years now
> > since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> > success over the
> > years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> > convert the PDF's that
> > Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than
> you
> > can do with Open
> > Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> > attachments but if we can
> > talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a
> file
> > transfer service
> > that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> > the legal problems
> > raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> > Over the years I have
> > taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither
> was
> > accessible, but
> > my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> > However, the ADA has
> > been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that
> they
> > get their act
> > together and provide complete course accessibility.
> > Please give me a call
> > if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> > located in California,
> > but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> > look forward to
> > talking with you.
> > Warmest regards,
> > Dennis Clark
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> > difficult to work with
> > to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> > instead of human
> > interaction. They are not willing to give much
> > information over the phone,
> > and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation
> letter
> > in PDF files for
> > me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> > them add some more check boxes
> > to their accommodations forms to assign
> accommodations
> > advisors to people
> > who are blind.
> >
> > Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> > Kaplan, but it appears
> > that taking the course when you are able to use
> ZoomText
> > and when you need
> > to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> > all seem to have
> > formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> > with Freedom Scientific
> > about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> > files are not formatted
> > to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> > files using OpenBook and
> > saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all
> sort of
> > junk in the file
> > because of their multi column structure and the books
> being
> > for the Premier
> > classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> > keep up with a class
> > when you have the wrong books and distracting junk
> embedded
> > in the test is a
> > problem.
> >
> > It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time
> just
> > trying to level
> > the playing field for blind people who are already in
> or
> > trying to get into
> > the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> > playing field leveled and
> > attorney fees paid are welcome.
> >
> >
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> > <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though
> mine
> > was online
> > and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> > of the study
> > materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> > PDF files with
> > ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I
> believe
> > were
> > flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> > less accessible, as
> > the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading
> cursor
> > jumbped
> > around the screen at random.
> >
> > In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> > LSAC. Kaplan had
> > nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> > LSAT in Tokyo
> > last September and again last December.
> >
> > One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best
> to
> > prepare for
> > the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write
> on
> > test day. I
> > prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given
> only 2
> > options by
> > LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print
> test
> > book, or 2. a
> > human reader. The nature of my disability makes large
> print
> > difficult
> > for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> > to read only 14
> > or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for
> short
> > periods of
> > time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> > was 15 points
> > lower than my timed practice test score. Other
> reasons
> > aside, the
> > nature of my interaction with the test material was a
> huge
> > factor in
> > my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> > human reader to
> > help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> > the implications
> > are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your
> attention.
> >
> > If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly
> urge
> > you to meet
> > with them in person prior to test day and assess
> their
> > reading skills
> > at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> > competent, and have
> > the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> > them to meet
> > with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of
> screening
> > and
> > acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you
> deem
> > them unfit
> > for the task.
> >
> > After my first time writing the LSAT in September of
> last
> > year, I
> > asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> > computer using
> > Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is
> not
> > possible at
> > this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> > computer-based
> > alternative in the future, and the representative
> repeated
> > flatly "No,
> > not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> > my acquaintances
> > in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were
> able to
> > write on
> > test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> > I would not go
> > so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> > accommodation
> > decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but
> it is
> > clear to me
> > that the playing field is far from level.
> >
> > I sincerely hope that you find this information useful
> in
> > some way,
> > and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Derek Wilson
> > www.twitter.com/culturemate
> > http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
> >
> > On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out,
> but
> > the class has started
> > > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> > get me the PDF files just
> > > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> > starting late and I have not
> > > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how
> to
> > deal with getting me
> > > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> > format. I was finally able to get
> > > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that
> is not
> > the greatest solution
> > > either.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > > Tom
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what
> you
> > need and why. Kaplan has
> > > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> > committed to complying with
> > > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for
> the
> > SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not
> be
> > perfect. Have a
> > > constructive dialog with them.
> > >
> > >
> > > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > > Fax: (215) 525-0999
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> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > >
> > >> Hello All.
> > >>
> > >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and
> requested
> > the course material in
> > >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> > a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> > >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes,
> and not
> > manageable by JAWS.
> > >>
> > >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> > usable. Kaplan has not been able
> > >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> > >>
> > >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> > megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> > >> document?
> > >>
> > >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> > providing a reader and scribe
> > >> for the practice tests?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Tom
> > >>
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From dwilson.lists at gmail.com  Fri May 28 00:59:12 2010
From: dwilson.lists at gmail.com (Derek Wilson)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:59:12 +0900
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <912239.25343.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <9720AC68866B42FBA15B9D082F15B171@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<912239.25343.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimR6-ttJpMMDBg2WBQ0OtqWRHyooRUONdr-eOVB@mail.gmail.com>

You can count on me for support as well, if and when it is needed.

Derek

On 5/28/10, William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Agreed.  Let me know what I can do to help when or if needed.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 10:20 AM
>> This has all been a big drag.
>> Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned
>> and will be representing me to get things straightened out
>> and wake them up
>> a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do
>> something under a
>> cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It
>> may take litigation
>> to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it
>> one step at a
>> time.
>>
>>
>> Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the
>> spirit of the ADA
>> legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them
>> until they can
>> level things off for the next guy.
>>
>>
>> Tom
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>>
>>
>> You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software"
>> and online
>> exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were
>> from local agencies who
>> volunteered there time.  I would start to make
>> consumer complaints since you
>> are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom
>> Ladis
>> <tom at tomladis.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
>> > Hello Dennis and All,
>> >
>> > Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
>> > trying to catch up with the reading that I have been
>> able to
>> > do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF
>> files
>> > that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what
>> they
>> > have sent me but not reading the stuff that has
>> formatting
>> > issues due to table conversion issues. I have also
>> not
>> > done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
>> > take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue
>> all of
>> > these issues with Kaplan.
>> >
>> > At this point, I was able to find a friend who was
>> willing
>> > to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
>> > exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
>> > Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section,
>> I was
>> > able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
>> > into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
>> >
>> > I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I
>> have
>> > not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
>> > administered on a computer starting this year. If
>> that
>> > is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction
>> that
>> > will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
>> > still going to provide my test in a printed format
>> along
>> > with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
>> > not able to administer the test with JAWS or another
>> screen
>> > reader application. She reported that people did not
>> > like the computer format because it did not allow them
>> to do
>> > their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is
>> how
>> > Kaplan trains test takers.
>> >
>> > More later as I try to get another practice exam or
>> three
>> > done before the actual test.
>> >
>> > Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
>> > sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any
>> better
>> > luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
>> > question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
>> > appreciate your offer of support.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark"
>> > <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Tom,
>> > I have been trying to get the playing field leveled
>> for
>> > about 20 years now
>> > since I graduated from law school and I have had some
>> > success over the
>> > years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
>> > convert the PDF's that
>> > Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than
>> you
>> > can do with Open
>> > Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
>> > attachments but if we can
>> > talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a
>> file
>> > transfer service
>> > that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
>> > the legal problems
>> > raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
>> > Over the years I have
>> > taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither
>> was
>> > accessible, but
>> > my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
>> > However, the ADA has
>> > been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that
>> they
>> > get their act
>> > together and provide complete course accessibility.
>> > Please give me a call
>> > if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
>> > located in California,
>> > but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
>> > look forward to
>> > talking with you.
>> > Warmest regards,
>> > Dennis Clark
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
>> > difficult to work with
>> > to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
>> > instead of human
>> > interaction. They are not willing to give much
>> > information over the phone,
>> > and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation
>> letter
>> > in PDF files for
>> > me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
>> > them add some more check boxes
>> > to their accommodations forms to assign
>> accommodations
>> > advisors to people
>> > who are blind.
>> >
>> > Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
>> > Kaplan, but it appears
>> > that taking the course when you are able to use
>> ZoomText
>> > and when you need
>> > to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
>> > all seem to have
>> > formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
>> > with Freedom Scientific
>> > about the problem and their conclusion is that the
>> > files are not formatted
>> > to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
>> > files using OpenBook and
>> > saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all
>> sort of
>> > junk in the file
>> > because of their multi column structure and the books
>> being
>> > for the Premier
>> > classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
>> > keep up with a class
>> > when you have the wrong books and distracting junk
>> embedded
>> > in the test is a
>> > problem.
>> >
>> > It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time
>> just
>> > trying to level
>> > the playing field for blind people who are already in
>> or
>> > trying to get into
>> > the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
>> > playing field leveled and
>> > attorney fees paid are welcome.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson"
>> > <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Tom,
>> >
>> > I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though
>> mine
>> > was online
>> > and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
>> > of the study
>> > materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
>> > PDF files with
>> > ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I
>> believe
>> > were
>> > flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
>> > less accessible, as
>> > the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading
>> cursor
>> > jumbped
>> > around the screen at random.
>> >
>> > In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
>> > LSAC. Kaplan had
>> > nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
>> > LSAT in Tokyo
>> > last September and again last December.
>> >
>> > One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best
>> to
>> > prepare for
>> > the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write
>> on
>> > test day. I
>> > prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given
>> only 2
>> > options by
>> > LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print
>> test
>> > book, or 2. a
>> > human reader. The nature of my disability makes large
>> print
>> > difficult
>> > for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
>> > to read only 14
>> > or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for
>> short
>> > periods of
>> > time. To make a long story short, my test day score
>> > was 15 points
>> > lower than my timed practice test score. Other
>> reasons
>> > aside, the
>> > nature of my interaction with the test material was a
>> huge
>> > factor in
>> > my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
>> > human reader to
>> > help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
>> > the implications
>> > are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your
>> attention.
>> >
>> > If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly
>> urge
>> > you to meet
>> > with them in person prior to test day and assess
>> their
>> > reading skills
>> > at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
>> > competent, and have
>> > the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
>> > them to meet
>> > with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of
>> screening
>> > and
>> > acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you
>> deem
>> > them unfit
>> > for the task.
>> >
>> > After my first time writing the LSAT in September of
>> last
>> > year, I
>> > asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
>> > computer using
>> > Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is
>> not
>> > possible at
>> > this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
>> > computer-based
>> > alternative in the future, and the representative
>> repeated
>> > flatly "No,
>> > not at this time." I have since learned that two of
>> > my acquaintances
>> > in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were
>> able to
>> > write on
>> > test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
>> > I would not go
>> > so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
>> > accommodation
>> > decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but
>> it is
>> > clear to me
>> > that the playing field is far from level.
>> >
>> > I sincerely hope that you find this information useful
>> in
>> > some way,
>> > and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Derek Wilson
>> > www.twitter.com/culturemate
>> > http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>> >
>> > On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out,
>> but
>> > the class has started
>> > > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
>> > get me the PDF files just
>> > > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
>> > starting late and I have not
>> > > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how
>> to
>> > deal with getting me
>> > > the materials in a JAWS friendly
>> > format. I was finally able to get
>> > > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that
>> is not
>> > the greatest solution
>> > > either.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for your thoughts,
>> > > Tom
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
>> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Tom
>> > >
>> > > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what
>> you
>> > need and why. Kaplan has
>> > > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
>> > committed to complying with
>> > > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for
>> the
>> > SAT, LSAT, and Bar
>> > > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not
>> be
>> > perfect. Have a
>> > > constructive dialog with them.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
>> > > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
>> > > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
>> > > Philadelphia, PA 19111
>> > > Tel: (215) 305-8085
>> > > Fax: (215) 525-0999
>> > > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
>> > >
>> > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
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>> > > reading, or copying of this communication is
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>> > > If you have received this communication in
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>> > >
>> > >
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> > > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
>> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> > >
>> > >> Hello All.
>> > >>
>> > >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and
>> requested
>> > the course material in
>> > >> a digital format. They sent the material on
>> > a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
>> > >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes,
>> and not
>> > manageable by JAWS.
>> > >>
>> > >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
>> > usable. Kaplan has not been able
>> > >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>> > >>
>> > >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
>> > megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> > >> document?
>> > >>
>> > >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
>> > providing a reader and scribe
>> > >> for the practice tests?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Tom
>> > >>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 28 23:54:51 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:54:51 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
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Congratulations, This is the type of action that needs to occur when 
organizations or companies blatantly fail to comply with ADA and other 
legislation. SWhat is Equipped for Equality as I'm not familiar with that 
organization?
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


This has all been a big drag.  Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned
and will be representing me to get things straightened out and wake them up
a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do something under a
cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It may take litigation
to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it one step at a
time.


Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the spirit of the ADA
legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them until they can
level things off for the next guy.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software" and online
exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were from local agencies who
volunteered there time.  I would start to make consumer complaints since you
are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom Ladis
<tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> Hello Dennis and All,
>
> Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
> trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to
> do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files
> that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they
> have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting
> issues due to table conversion issues. I have also not
> done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
> take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of
> these issues with Kaplan.
>
> At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing
> to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was
> able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
> into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
>
> I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have
> not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> administered on a computer starting this year. If that
> is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that
> will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
> still going to provide my test in a printed format along
> with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
> not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen
> reader application. She reported that people did not
> like the computer format because it did not allow them to do
> their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how
> Kaplan trains test takers.
>
> More later as I try to get another practice exam or three
> done before the actual test.
>
> Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
> sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better
> luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
> question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> appreciate your offer of support.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility.
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
>
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
>
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
>
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC. Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
>
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day. I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
>
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
>
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
>
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format. I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> >
> >
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
> > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
> >
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> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >> Hello All.
> >>
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >>
> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable. Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >>
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
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From tom at tomladis.com  Sun May 30 03:02:58 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:02:58 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
References: <553176.44406.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9720AC68866B42FBA15B9D082F15B171@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<13D984E984064DCB9CCA292729313310@spike>
Message-ID: <646AE84A233C42FC980F0FE546FA1BF6@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Thanks.  Equipped For Equality is a law firm in Chicago that takes on issues 
that help to level the playing field for people with disabilities.  They 
seem to have their hands in things from Education to Online Banking to 
Workplace equality issues.  I was not able to find a web site for them, but 
will get a phone number or web address from them and publish it here if they 
allow.  Maybe I can get someone from their firm to publish their mission 
statement or something like that to this list.  I will get back with more 
info.


Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Congratulations, This is the type of action that needs to occur when
organizations or companies blatantly fail to comply with ADA and other
legislation. SWhat is Equipped for Equality as I'm not familiar with that
organization?
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


This has all been a big drag.  Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned
and will be representing me to get things straightened out and wake them up
a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do something under a
cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It may take litigation
to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it one step at a
time.


Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the spirit of the ADA
legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them until they can
level things off for the next guy.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software" and online
exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were from local agencies who
volunteered there time.  I would start to make consumer complaints since you
are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom Ladis
<tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> Hello Dennis and All,
>
> Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
> trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to
> do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files
> that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they
> have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting
> issues due to table conversion issues. I have also not
> done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
> take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of
> these issues with Kaplan.
>
> At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing
> to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was
> able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
> into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
>
> I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have
> not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> administered on a computer starting this year. If that
> is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that
> will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
> still going to provide my test in a printed format along
> with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
> not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen
> reader application. She reported that people did not
> like the computer format because it did not allow them to do
> their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how
> Kaplan trains test takers.
>
> More later as I try to get another practice exam or three
> done before the actual test.
>
> Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
> sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better
> luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
> question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> appreciate your offer of support.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility.
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
>
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
>
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
>
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC. Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
>
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day. I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
>
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
>
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
>
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format. I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> >
> >
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
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> >
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> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >> Hello All.
> >>
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >>
> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable. Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >>
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon May 31 22:42:14 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 17:42:14 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Cardtronics Settlement
Message-ID: <auto-000155943358@mailfront1.g2host.com>

I have been asked to circulate the materials below.

David Andrews



The Proposed Remediation Plan provides as follows:
(1)        All Cardtronics-owned ATMs in 
Massachusetts will be Voice-guided no later than June 30, 2010.
(2)        By December 31, 2010, at least ninety 
percent (90%) of all transactions at covered ATMs 
occurring within the borders of Massachusetts 
will occur on ATMs that are Voice-guided.
(3)        All Cardtronics-owned ATMs nationally 
will be Voice-guided no later than December 31, 
2010, with the exception of Cardtronics-owned 
ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores  which will be 
Voice-guided no later than March 31, 2011.
(4)        By March 31, 2011, at least ninety 
percent (90%) of all transactions at covered ATMs 
nationally will occur on ATMs that are Voice-guided.
(5)        With the assistance of the NFB, 
Cardtronics has developed enhanced scripts for 
the great majority of the ATMs it owns.  With the 
exception of Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 
7-Eleven stores, on or before December 31, 2010 
Cardtronics will install enhanced scripts on all 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs, except where it is not 
technologically feasible to do so, in which 
cases, on or before December 31, 2010, 
Cardtronics shall either (i) replace such ATMs 
with ATMs on which an enhanced script can and 
will be installed, or (ii) remove such ATMs from 
the Cardtronics-owned fleet.  Cardtronics-owned 
ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores will be 
Voice-guided no later than March 31, 2011. Any 
script on any Cardtronics-owned ATM, including 
the enhanced scripts, shall meet the requirements 
set forth in the definition of “Voice-guided” and 
“Voice-Guidance” set forth in the Final Order[1] 
and as supplemented in paragraph 6 of this Order.
(6)        With the exception of 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven 
stores, by December 31, 2010, all 
Cardtronics-owned Voice-guided ATMs and those 
merchant-owned, Voice-guided ATMs that 
Cardtronics designates as making up a portion of 
the ninety percent (90%) transaction requirements 
of paragraphs 2 and 4 above, will have tactilely 
discernible controls, that is, operating 
mechanisms used in conjunction with speech output 
that can be located and operated by feel.  When a 
numeric keypad is part of the tactilely 
discernible controls, all function keys will be 
mapped to the numeric keypad and, except for 
those remaining Wincor ATMs installed in Target 
stores prior to June 2007, the numeric keypad 
will have an “echo” effect such that the user’s 
numeric entries (other than the entry of a 
personal identification number) are repeated in 
voice form.  All tactilely discernible controls 
will otherwise comply with applicable 
regulations.  All Cardtronics-owned ATMs located 
in 7-Eleven stores will meet these requirements no later than March 31, 2011.
(7)        With the exception of 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven 
stores, by December 31, 2010, all 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs will have appropriate 
signage as identified in the Final Order Ex. 
1.[2]  All Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 
7-Eleven stores will meet these requirements no 
later than March 31, 2011.  By December 31, 2010, 
Cardtronics will send such signage to each of its 
Merchant-owned customers that operate a 
Voice-guided ATM (with the exception of those 
customers for whom Cardtronics physically placed 
Braille signage on each of the customer’s 
Voice-guided ATMs after April 9, 2007) requesting 
that those customers install such signage on 
their Voice-guided ATMs.  Cardtronics will 
include a letter from the NFB describing the 
importance of such signage with its request.  On 
or before February 1, 2011, Cardtronics will 
provide the NFB with the approximate date on 
which it placed signage on each of the 
Merchant-owned Voice-guided ATMs or sent the appropriate signage by mail.
(8)        By December 31, 2012, Cardtronics will 
cause to have inspected all Cardtronics-owned, 
non-branded ATMs to ensure that the Voice-guided 
features of these ATMs are in working 
condition.  Approximately 10,000 of these 
inspections shall take place in calendar years 
2010 and 2011, with the balance taking place in 
calendar year 2012.  To the extent Cardtronics 
can demonstrate to Class counsel that within the 
first two years of conducting such inspections 
the Voice-guided features are in compliance with 
the definition of Voice-guidance, the parties 
shall meet to discuss the results of these 
inspections and may agree in writing that 
Cardtronics shall cause to have inspected a 
minimum of 1,000 Cardtronics-owned, non-branded 
ATMs each year for the remainder of the term of 
the Agreement.  These inspections will be 
documented in a manner showing that the person 
conducting the inspection used headphones to 
listen to the voice script on the 
ATM.  Similarly, in the course of conducting its 
routine inspections of Cardtronics-owned, branded 
ATMs, such inspections shall be documented in a 
manner showing that the person conducting the 
inspection used headphones to listen to the voice 
script on the ATM.  On a monthly basis, 
Cardtronics shall report the results of all 
inspections required by this paragraph to Class counsel.
(9)        In addition to the reporting 
requirements identified in the Final Order,[3] 
Cardtronics will report monthly between June 1, 
2010 and December 31, 2011.  For the period 
between June 1, 2010 and December 31, 2011, 
Cardtronics will add to the information it is 
currently reporting for each Cardtronics-owned 
ATM whether the enhanced script has been 
installed on the ATM, as well as the month and 
year of such installation.  No later than October 
31, 2010, for each Cardtronics-owned ATM on which 
it is not technologically feasible to install an 
enhanced script, Cardtronics will indicate 
whether it will replace such ATM with a 
Voice-guided ATM or remove the ATM from the fleet.
(10)      Cardtronics will keep its ATM locator 
on its website up to date as to whether a covered 
ATM is equipped with Voice-guidance.
(11)      Notice of the Proposed Remediation Plan 
will be provided to the Class in the manner described below.
(12)      In addition to the testing costs set 
forth in Final Order Ex. 1, Cardtronics will pay 
$60,000 to the NFB to be used for interim testing 
and other compliance monitoring by the NFB taking 
place in 2010 and the first quarter of 2011.  The 
NFB shall provide Cardtronics with invoices as 
testing is completed, to be payable by 
Cardtronics within 30 days of receipt of each invoice.
(13)           Cardtronics will pay the NFB 
$145,000 for the reasonable fees and costs 
incurred by the NFB as a result of Cardtronics’ 
failure to comply with the Final Order.  This 
amount includes attorneys’ fees and testing costs 
that the NFB incurred due to the failure of 
Cardtronics to comply with the Final Order and 
shall be paid in two equal installments of 
$72,500, one upon the effective date of this 
Court’s final approval of the Proposed 
Remediation Plan and the second 60 days thereafter.
(14)           The requirements set forth in 
Final Order Ex. 1 shall remain in effect, in 
whole or in part, for eight years from the date 
of this Court’s final approval of the Proposed 
Remediation Plan.  The Parties may agree in 
writing to extend the requirements of Final Order 
Ex. 1 further or the Court may so order in 
connection with paragraph 13.3.  Notwithstanding 
any expiration of Final Order Ex. 1, paragraphs 
6, 7 and 13 of Final Order Ex. 1 shall continue 
to remain in effect in perpetuity.
(15)           To the extent that the 
requirements set forth herein are inconsistent 
with any provision of Final Order Ex. 1, this 
Order controls.  All other terms and requirements 
of the Final Order, including Final Order Ex. 1, 
will remain in full force and effect.



[1]  Final Order Ex. 1 at 4.
[2]  See Final Order Ex. 1 at ¶ 4.2.
[3]  See id. at ¶ 4.4.1.




UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS

COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS, et al.,
                                                 Plaintiffs,
v.
CARDTRONICS, INC., et al.,
                                                 Defendants.

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Civil Action No. 03-11206-MEL



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NOTICE OF PROPOSED REMEDIATION PLAN CONCERNING
FINAL ORDER RELATING TO CLASS ACTION SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT AND HEARING TO BE HELD ON September 15, 2010 @ 2:30pm
TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE NATIONWIDE CLASS CERTIFIED 
BY THIS COURT TO INCLUDE BLIND PATRONS OF 
AUTOMATED TELLER MACHINES (“ATMs”) OWNED OR 
OPERATED BY EITHER CARDTRONICS, INC. OR 
CARDTRONICS USA, INC. (collectively, “Cardtronics”)

On December 4, 2007, this Court granted final 
approval of a class action settlement agreement 
entered into between Plaintiffs, the Commonwealth 
of Massachusetts, the National Federation of the 
Blind (“NFB”), and several individual blind 
persons, and Defendants, Cardtronics, Inc. and 
Cardtronics, LP (now Cardtronics USA, Inc.) 
(collectively “Cardtronics”) concerning, among 
other things, the accessibility of ATMs owned or 
operated by Cardtronics to blind patrons under 
the Americans with Disabilities Act (“ADA”) and Massachusetts state laws.

DUE TO CARDTRONICS’ INABILITY TO MEET A NUMBER OF 
IMPORTANT REQUIREMENTS OF THIS COURT’S FINAL 
ORDER OF DECEMBER 4, 2007, THE PARTIES HAVE 
REACHED AGREEMENT ON A PROPOSED REMEDIATION PLAN, 
SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THIS COURT, THAT REQUIRES 
CARDTRONICS TO MEET ALL OF THEIR PRIOR 
OBLIGATIONS WITH EXTENSIONS OF TIME TO DO SO, 
PLUS ADDITIONAL OBLIGATIONS INTENDED TO ENSURE 
THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE CLASS ENJOY THE BENEFITS 
SET FORTH IN THE ORIGINAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND FINAL COURT ORDER.
Cardtronics has agreed to a remediation plan that 
includes, among other actions, ensuring that with 
the exception of Cardtronics-owned ATMs located 
in 7-Eleven stores, all ATMs owned by Cardtronics 
will offer voice guidance through a standard 
headphone jack located on the face of the ATM by 
no later than December 31, 2010; 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores 
will offer voice guidance through a standard 
headphone jack located on the face of the ATM by 
no later than March 31, 2011, and that by March 
31, 2011, at least ninety percent (90%) of all 
Transactions at Covered ATMs shall occur on ATMs 
that are Voice-guided or otherwise accessible to 
Blind people.  Cardtronics has agreed to develop 
improved voice-guided scripts for all 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs to ensure that blind 
customers can easily access all ATM 
functions.  Cardtronics has also agreed to 
institute an inspection program intended to 
ensure that voice-guided ATMs remain operational 
for blind customers.  A full copy of the proposed 
remediation plan is available on the NFB’s 
website: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org and on 
the Cardtronics’ website: 
<http://www.cardtronics.net/news/nfb_remediationplan.asp.>www.cardtronics.net/news/nfb_remediationplan.asp. 
The locations of the existing ATMs covered by the 
Final Order and by the proposed remediation plan, 
with designation of voice-guidance status, can be 
obtained through Cardtronics’ ATM locator 
feature, available at 
<http://www.cardtronics.net/about/atmlocator.asp>www.cardtronics.net/about/atmlocator.asp. 


As part of the proposed remediation plan and 
subject to Court approval, Cardtronics has agreed 
to pay the amount of $145,000 in attorneys’ fees 
to the attorneys representing the class.  These 
amounts will not detract from Cardtronics duties 
to provide accessible ATMs to the class.  The 
Court will conduct a hearing on the motion of 
class counsel for their attorneys’ fees at the 
date and time set forth in the following 
paragraph.  Cardtronics has also agreed to pay an 
additional $60,000 to the NFB for testing that 
the NFB will conduct to ensure compliance with 
the remediation plan requirements.

YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED, pursuant to Rule 23 of 
the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and an Order 
of the Court dated May 18, 2010, and as 
thereafter amended that a Final Approval Hearing 
will be held on September 15, 2010, at 2:30pm, 
before that Court in the United States 
Courthouse, One Courthouse Way, Boston, 
Massachusetts 02210.  The purpose of this Final 
Approval Hearing is to determine whether the 
proposed remediation plan should be approved by 
the Court as fair, reasonable and adequate and 
whether the application for award of attorneys’ 
fees and reimbursement for expenses should be approved.

Class Members who wish to object to the proposed 
settlement must provide notice of and explanation 
of their objection in writing to the Court at the 
address above, with copies to Counsel at the 
addresses provided below, no later than Monday, 
August 30, 2010.  Only Class Members filing 
timely objections may request to present their 
objections at the Final Approval Hearing.

Office of the Massachusetts Attorney General Attn: Maura Healey, Esq.
100 Cambridge Street
11TH floor
Boston, MA 02108

Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
Attn: Sharon Krevor-Weisbaum, Esq.
120 E. Baltimore Street
Suite 1700
Baltimore, MD 21202

Joseph Kociubes, Esq.
Bingham McCutchen LLP
150 Federal Street
Boston, MA 02110-1726

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION, VISIT 
<http://www.cardtronics.net/news/>www.cardtronics.net/news/ 
OR CONTACT COUNSEL FOR THE PLAINTIFFS:

Commonwealth of Massachusetts
Office of Attorney General
Disability Rights Project
(617) 727-2200
<http://www.mass.gov/ago>www.mass.gov/ago

OR

Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
(410) 962-1030
<http://www.browngold.com/>www.browngold.com

EXCEPT AS INSTRUCTED IN THE NOTICE, PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT THE COURT.




Dated:  May 18, 2010                          By Order of the
                                                             United 
States District Court
                                                             For 
the District of Massachusetts


UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS

COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS, et al.,

             Plaintiffs

v.

E*TRADE ACCESS, INC., et al.,

             Defendants




CIVIL ACTION NO. 03-11206-MEL


FINAL ORDER AND JUDGMENT

             Plaintiffs, Commonwealth of 
Massachusetts, National Federation of the Blind, 
Inc. (“NFB”), Adrienne Asch, Jennifer Bose, Norma 
Crosby, Dwight Sayer, Robert Crowley, Jr., 
Raymond Wayne, Terri Uttermohlen, and Bryan 
Bashin, seek final approval of the class action 
settlement that was approved preliminarily by 
this Court on July 26, 2007.  See Memorandum and 
Order Granting Unopposed Motion for Preliminary 
Approval of Class Action Settlement and for 
Fairness Hearing (“Preliminary Approval 
Order”).  Specifically, Plaintiffs have moved the 
Court for an Order: (1) finding that the class 
action Settlement Agreement between Plaintiffs 
and Defendants, Cardtronics, LP, and Cardtronics, 
Inc. (collectively “Cardtronics”), is a fair, 
reasonable and adequate settlement of all of the 
claims of the class against Defendants, 
overruling the single objection to the proposed 
settlement and finding that each class member 
shall be bound by the Settlement Agreement, 
including its release; (2) finding that the 
Notice published to the class satisfies the 
requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 
23; (3) approving an award of attorneys’ fees and 
costs by Defendants to Plaintiff, NFB, in the 
amount of $900,000, as agreed to by the parties; 
(4) dismissing this lawsuit on the merits and 
with prejudice as to all claims in the lawsuit 
against all Defendants; (5) attaching and 
incorporating by reference the terms of the 
Settlement Agreement; and (6) retaining 
jurisdiction of all matters relating to the 
interpretation, administration, implementation, 
effectuation and enforcement of the Settlement Agreement.
I.          Background
             A.        Plaintiffs’ Claims
             Cardtronics currently owns and/or 
operates at least 23,300 ATMs throughout the 
United States, including approximately 15,000 
ATMs formerly owned and/or operated by Defendant 
E*TRADE Access, Inc. 
(“Access”).[1]  Approximately half of these ATMs 
are owned by independent merchants who are 
customers of Cardtronics (“Merchant-Owned 
ATMs”).  This litigation concerns Plaintiffs’ 
request that Cardtronics’s fleet of ATMs be made 
accessible to and independently useable by blind 
people through the use of voice-guidance technology.
             Some of the ATMs in the Cardtronics 
fleet already have voice guidance.  Those ATMs 
that are not currently voice-guided vary in their 
capacity to be made voice-guided.  Many newer 
machines have the capacity to be upgraded to 
provide voice-guidance through a straightforward 
retrofit process (“Upgradeable ATMs”).  Other, 
older, machines are not able to be upgraded and 
must be replaced completely in order to make voice guidance available.
             Plaintiffs’ Fourth Amended and 
Supplemental Class Action Complaint (“Fourth 
Amended Complaint”) alleges that Cardtronics has 
failed to make all of the ATMs it owns and/or 
operates accessible to blind individuals in 
violation of Title III of the ADA, 42 
U.S.C.    §§ 12181 et seq., and Section 4.34.5 of 
the Department of Justice Standards for 
Accessible Design, 28 C.F.R. pt. 36, app. A 
(“Standards”) (requiring that ATMs be “accessible 
to and independently useable by persons with 
vision impairments”).  Title III is enforceable 
through a private right of action for injunctive 
relief and prevailing plaintiffs are entitled to 
attorneys’ fees.  See 42 U.S.C. §§ 12188(a)(1), 
(2) and 12205.  Plaintiffs have also alleged 
violations of the Massachusetts Public 
Accommodations Act (“MPAA”), Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 
272, §§ 92A and 98, and the Massachusetts Equal 
Rights Act (“MERA”), Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 93, § 103.
             Although numerous procedural and 
substantive disputes have arisen throughout this 
litigation, the case turns primarily on the 
vigorously contested issues of whether 
Defendants’ ATMs are in violation of the 
Standards and, if they are, whether Plaintiffs 
are entitled to an injunction that would require 
Cardtronics to install voice-guidance 
capabilities on all ATMs it owns and/or operates, 
including Merchant-Owned ATMs.  The lawsuit also 
includes claims against Defendant E*TRADE Bank, 
Inc. concerning its banking policies applicable 
to consumers’ use of the Cardtronics ATMs.  These 
claims are derivative of the claims addressing 
the accessibility of the Cardtronics ATMs.
             B.        Pre-Filing Settlement Negotiations
             On June 9, 2003, after lengthy 
negotiations, the Commonwealth and the NFB 
entered into a Partial Settlement Agreement 
(“PSA”) with Defendants Access and E*TRADE Bank, 
Inc. (collectively “E*TRADE”), pursuant to which 
Access agreed to equip the ATMs it owned with 
voice guidance over a period of two and one-half 
years.  The parties were not able to reach 
agreement with respect to Merchant-Owned ATMs.

             C.        Litigation
On June 23, 2003, the Commonwealth and the NFB, 
along with several individual blind people and 
the NFB’s Massachusetts affiliate, filed the 
present suit against E*TRADE.  From its 
inception, this litigation has been 
hard-fought.  As fully detailed in the 
Preliminary Approval Order, this complex case 
involved numerous dispositive motions, voluminous 
document discovery and several significant 
discovery-related motions.
II.        Summary of the Settlement
             After an all-day mediation on April 
9, 2007, and following further negotiations over 
the course of more than two months, the parties 
executed the Settlement Agreement on June 21, 2007.
             In summary, the settlement requires:
           All Cardtronics-Owned ATMs will be 
voice-guided by the end of this year, with two 
exceptions:  a set of approximately 1,600 
machines that already have voice-guidance, but do 
not have, as otherwise required by the Settlement 
Agreement, audible verification of all of the 
inputs by the ATM user; and a set of no more than 
177 machines will be voice-guided by mid-2008.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.1.)
           As of April 9, 2007 and going forward, 
Cardtronics will only install Cardtronics-Owned 
ATMs that are voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.1)
           As of April 9, 2007 and going forward, 
Cardtronics will only sell or make available to 
merchants ATMs that are voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement,       ¶ 3.2.1.)
           Cardtronics will identify the smallest 
subset of Merchant-Owned ATMs without voice 
guidance that collectively account for 80% of 
transactions at Merchant-Owned ATMs (“High Volume 
Merchants”) and will, within ninety (90) days of 
approval, offer those merchants that have 
Upgradeable ATMs the opportunity to upgrade to 
add voice guidance at no cost, and will offer 
those merchants whose machines are not 
upgradeable the opportunity to purchase a 
voice-guided machine at Cardtronics’s wholesale 
cost.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.2.2.)
           Regardless of the outcome of this 
marketing plan, Cardtronics will ensure that, by 
July 1, 2010, at least ninety (90) percent of all 
transactions on the ATMs covered by the 
settlement occur on voice-guided ATMs.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.3.)
           After July 1, 2010, Cardtronics will 
not add or renew any merchant-owned ATMs that are 
not voice-guided, so that any remaining ATMs 
constituting less than 10% of transaction volume 
that are not yet voice-guided will either become 
so or be eliminated.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.3.2.)
           Any additional functions that are 
added to ATMs covered by the settlement will be 
accessible to blind patrons within ninety (90) 
days unless Cardtronics believes doing so would 
not be technically feasible without causing undue 
burden or delay, in which case the parties are to 
meet and confer to attempt to eliminate the 
obstructions to adding such new functions.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.7.)
           Cardtronics-owned ATMs acquired after 
final approval of the settlement agreement shall 
be voice-guided within two (2) years; 
after-acquired Merchant-owned ATMs that are 
Merchant-Owned by High Volume Merchants will 
receive the upgrade or replacement offers 
described above.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.6.)
           Cardtronics will provide web-based 
information and signage to assist blind patrons 
in identifying which of its ATMs are 
voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶¶ 4.1, 4.2.)
           Cardtronics will report to Class 
Counsel throughout the term of the Settlement 
Agreement concerning the number of voice-guided 
ATMs and the percentage of transactions occurring 
on such ATMs, and that progress will be verified 
by Cardtronics and monitored by the NFB.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 4.4.)
           Cardtronics must comply with any 
future regulatory requirements that impose 
additional requirements, but if regulations 
require less than the Settlement Agreement, the 
Settlement Agreement controls.  (Settlement Agreement ¶5.1)
           Class members will release claims for 
injunctive relief and attorneys’ fees under Title 
III of the ADA, the MPAA, the MERA, and any other 
claims held by the named plaintiffs to the extent 
such claims relate to the accessibility of ATMs 
to blind people.  Class members also release 
claims for injunctive relief under state law to 
the extent it incorporates or is equivalent to 
Title III.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶¶ 7.1, 7.2.)
           Class members (excepting the named 
plaintiffs) do not release claims for 
damages.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 7.1.3.)
           Cardtronics will pay $900,000 in 
attorneys’ fees to the NFB and make a 
contribution of $100,000 to the local consumer 
aid fund of the Massachusetts Attorney 
General.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶¶ 9.1, 9.2.)
             Because the Settlement Agreement 
applies to all Cardtronics ATMs -- including 
former E*TRADE ATMs -- it supercedes the earlier 
PSA among E*TRADE, the Commonwealth, and the 
NFB.  Although E*TRADE is not a party to the 
Settlement Agreement, that agreement concludes 
this litigation and calls for the dismissal with 
prejudice of all claims in this case against all 
Defendants.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 
2.7(c).)  The implementation of voice guidance on 
the ATMs makes it unnecessary for E*TRADE Bank to 
change its policies as sought in the lawsuit.
             In the Settlement Agreement, the 
parties agreed that the Court should retain 
jurisdiction of this case for purposes of the 
interpretation, administration, implementation, 
effectuation, and enforcement of this 
Agreement.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 2.7(d).)  In 
addition, Defendants have withdrawn their 
opposition to Plaintiffs’ motion for leave to 
file a Fourth Amended Complaint (Settlement 
Agreement, ¶ 2.1) and the Court has granted the 
parties’ joint motion for certification of a 
settlement class, which includes all persons who 
are Blind patrons of ATMs covered by the Settlement Agreement.
III.       Preliminary Approval
             As mentioned, on July 26, 2007, this 
Court granted Plaintiffs’ Unopposed Motion for 
Preliminary Approval of Class Action Settlement 
and scheduled a Fairness Hearing on the proposed 
settlement for December 4, 2007.  In the 
Preliminary Approval Order, the Court approved 
the parties’ proposed plan for notifying class 
member of the settlement, as well as the form of 
the notice to be utilized for this purpose (“Notice”).
IV.       Notice to the Class
             The Court finds that the Notice 
approved in the Court’s Preliminary Approval 
Order was made available on Cardtronics’s website 
from approximately August 23, 2007 to November 1, 
2007 and that a copy of the Notice was also 
available on the NFB’s website during that same period.
The Court also finds that a copy of the Notice 
was mailed to a list of over 900 organizations, 
including a number composed of, and/or focused on 
the issues of, blind people.   Of those mailings, 
36 were returned due to incorrect addresses.  The 
correct addresses were ascertained for 11 of 
those returned mailings and the Notice was then 
sent to those correct addresses.  In addition, 
the Notice was emailed to 1,036 email addresses 
relating to the organizations referenced above, 
with a cover letter requesting that the recipient 
post and forward the Notice.  Of those emails, 
186 were returned as undeliverable.  Fifteen 
organizations to whom the Notice was emailed 
notified class counsel that they had forwarded 
the Notice to other individuals or lists of 
individuals thought to be class members.  Another 
ten organizations notified class counsel that 
they had posted the Notice on their 
websites.  The NFB sent the Notice to over 50 
email lists of blind individuals, including lists 
of blind lawyers, students, and travelers.  In 
each of these paper and electronic mailings, 
counsel for the class offered to provide Braille 
versions of the Notice and/or the Settlement 
Agreement.  Class counsel ultimately received and 
honored six requests for Braille documentation.
The Court finds further that the Notice was 
published in the August/September edition of the 
Braille Monitor, which is the publication of the 
NFB and is regularly sent to its approximately 
50,000 members, among others.  The Notice was 
also published in the September, 2007, edition of 
the Braille Forum, as well as in the New York 
Times, the Los Angeles Times, and USA Today on August 28, 2007.
In addition, the Court finds that there has been 
only one objection to the proposed 
settlement.  This objection purports to be on 
behalf of Mason P. James, of Loveland, Texas, and 
states only that “[m]e wish to object to the 
proposed settlement.”  See Objection by Mason P. 
James (Sept. 27, 2007, Paper No. 270).
                                                                   DISCUSSION
I.          The Settlement Agreement is Granted Final Approval.
             A court may approve the settlement 
of a class action only upon finding that it is 
“fair, reasonable, and adequate.”  Fed. R. Civ. 
P. 23(e)(1)(C); see also City P’ship Co. v. 
Atlantic Acquisition Ltd. P’ship, 100 F.3d 1041, 
1043 (1st Cir. 1996) (same).  The First Circuit 
has recognized a clear policy of encouraging 
settlements in class action cases, and has stated 
that “[w]hen sufficient discovery has been 
provided and the parties have bargained at 
arms-length, there is a presumption in favor of 
the settlement.”  City P’ship, 100 F.3d at 
1043.  In determining the fairness, 
reasonableness and adequacy of a proposed class 
action settlement, several courts in this 
district have looked to the following factors set 
forth in City of Detroit v. Grinnell Corp., 495 
F.2d 448, 463 (2d Cir. 1974), overruled on other 
grounds by Missouri v. Jenkins, 491 U.S. 274 (1989):
(1) the complexity, expense and likely duration 
of the litigation; (2) the reaction of the class 
to the settlement; (3) the stage of the 
proceedings and the amount of discovery 
completed; (4) the risks of establishing 
liability; (5) the risks of establishing damages; 
(6) the risks of maintaining the class action 
through the trial; (7) the ability of the 
defendants to withstand a greater judgment; (8) 
the range of reasonableness of the settlement 
fund in light of the best possible recovery; (9) 
the range of reasonableness of the settlement 
fund to a possible recovery in light of all the 
attendant risks of litigation.

For all of the reasons set forth in the Court’s 
Preliminary Approval Order, an analysis of these 
factors strongly supports this Court’s final 
approval of the Settlement Agreement as fair, 
reasonable and adequate.  In addition, this Court 
overrules the single objection to the proposed 
settlement, as no reasons were provided for that 
objection as required by the Notice approved by 
the Court.  Therefore, this Court also finds that 
all class members are bound by the Settlement 
Agreement, including its release provisions.
II.        Notice to the Class
             Rule 23(e) states that “notice of 
the proposed dismissal or compromise shall be 
given to all members of the class in such manner 
as the court directs.”  The notice must satisfy 
Rule 23, as well as due process 
requirements.  Cf. Besinga v. United States, 923 
F.2d 133, 136-37 (9th Cir. 1991) (requirements of 
due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(c)(2)(B) are 
similar).  “‘[I]t is the court’s duty to ensure 
that the notice ordered is reasonably calculated 
to reach the absent class members.”  Reppert v. 
Marvin Lumber and Cedar Co., 359 F.3d 53, 56 (1st 
Cir. 2004) (citations omitted).  “When individual 
notice is infeasible, notice by publication in a 
newspaper of national circulation . . .  is an 
acceptable substitute.”  Mirfasihi v. Fleet 
Mortgage Corp., 356 F.3d 781, 786 (7th Cir. 2004).
             This Court finds that the notice 
program approved in its Preliminary Approval 
Order and now implemented by the parties was the 
best notice practicable under the circumstances 
and satisfied the requirements of due process and 
Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.  The parties represented that 
there was no readily accessible list of the 
potential class members in this case and that 
such a list likely could not be created without 
enormous effort and expenditure.  Notice here 
involved a combination of individual mailing -- 
through the Braille Monitor and Braille Forum to 
tens of thousands of blind people -- and 
publication in three newspapers of national 
circulation:  The New York Times, Los Angeles 
Times, and USA Today.  Under these circumstances, 
individual notice was not required in order to 
satisfy the requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.
III.       Attorneys’ Fees and Costs
             Class counsel have submitted an 
Unopposed Petition for an Award of Attorneys’ 
Fees and Costs, pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(h) 
and 54(d)(2).  Specifically, class counsel 
request that the Court approve an award of 
attorneys’ fees and costs by Defendants to the 
NFB in the amount of $900,000, the amount agreed 
to by the parties as part of the class action settlement.
             The ADA provides that courts may 
award the prevailing party its “reasonable 
attorney’s fee, including litigation expenses, 
and costs.”  42 U.S.C. § 12205.  Rules 23(h)(1) 
and (2) require that notice and an opportunity to 
object be provided.  In this case, the Notice 
sent pursuant to the Preliminary Approval Order 
included the amount of the fees and provided an 
opportunity to object and no class member has 
objected to the proposed fee award.
             In evaluating a fee petition in a 
case such as this, the Court is to consider “the 
reasonableness of the hours spent and the hourly 
rate sought.”  Weinberger v. Great Northern 
Nekoosa Corp., 925 F.2d 518, 529 (1st Cir. 1991) 
(quoting In re Spillance, 884 F.2d 642, 647 (1st 
Cir. 1989)).  After due consideration of the 
filings of class counsel and the relevant case 
law cited therein, this Court finds that a fee 
award in the amount of $900,000 is well within 
the bounds of reasonableness under the 
circumstances of this case.  The time spent by 
class counsel in litigating this complex case 
clearly was justified.  In addition, the lodestar 
amount – calculated by multiplying these hours by 
reasonable prevailing rates – is almost twice the 
amount agreed upon in the settlement.  The Court 
finds that the hourly rates charged by class 
counsel are commensurate with the rates charged 
by Boston attorneys of comparable experience in 
comparable matters and that the rates actually 
billed to the NFB were below those rates.  In 
addition, the award sought is well below the 
actual amount of fees and costs paid by the NFB 
in connection with this litigation.  For these 
reasons, the Court approves the fee award agreed 
to by the parties as part of the Settlement Agreement.
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED THAT:
             1.         This Court has 
jurisdiction over the subject matter of this 
lawsuit and over all of the parties to the 
lawsuit, including the named Plaintiffs, all 
members of the class, and Defendants.
             2.         The Court adopts and 
incorporates the findings of the Preliminary 
Approval Order and hereby approves the Settlement 
Agreement as fair, reasonable and adequate in all 
respects.  This is especially so in view of the 
complexity, expense and probable duration of 
further litigation, the risks of establishing 
liability, the intensive arm’s length 
negotiations of experienced counsel and the 
reasonableness of the relief obtained, 
considering the range of possible outcomes and 
the attendant risks of litigation.
             3.         The Court overrules the 
single objection to the settlement and finds that 
each class member is bound by the Settlement Agreement, including its release.
             4.         The Court finds that the 
Notice published to the class satisfies the 
requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.
             5.         The Court finds that the 
attorneys’ fees and costs sought by class counsel 
are reasonable and approves an award of fees and 
costs, in the amount of $900,000, as agreed to by the parties.
             6.         The Court dismisses this 
lawsuit on the merits and with prejudice as to 
all claims in the lawsuit against all Defendants.
             7.         The Court attaches hereto 
as Exhibit 1 and incorporates into this Final 
Order and Judgment the terms of the Settlement Agreement.
             8.         The Court retains 
jurisdiction of all matters relating to the 
interpretation, administration, implementation, 
effectuation and enforcement of the Settlement Agreement.

                                     It is so ordered.

Dated: 
_________________________
                                                                                                                         U.S.D.J.


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[1] On or about June 2, 2004, Cardtronics LP acquired Access’s ATM business.


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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon May 31 23:12:32 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:12:32 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] 2010 NFB Convention Agenda Now Available
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Below is the text of the agenda for the 2010 NFB 
national convention.  You can also download a 
fully-formatted Word version from the link below.

Dave



http://www.nfb.org/nfb/National_Convention.asp


THE MEMBERS OF THE
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND OF TEXAS
WELCOME YOU TO THE
70th ANNUAL CONVENTION OF THE
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND

Marc Maurer, President
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21230

Mary Ellen Jernigan
Executive Director for Operations and
Chairwoman, Convention Organization and Activities

Angela Wolf, President
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
314 East Highland Mall Blvd., Suite 353
Austin, Texas 78752

Hilton Anatole Hotel
2201 Stemmons Freeway
Dallas, Texas 75207
(214) 748-1200












      The 70th annual convention of the National 
Federation of the Blind is being held in Dallas 
at the Hilton Anatole Hotel.  As usual, our hotel 
rates are very good: singles and doubles are $62; 
triples and quads are $67. In addition to the 
room rates, there is a fifteen percent occupancy 
tax.  There is no charge for children under 
sixteen in the room with parents as long as no 
extra bed is required.  Proof of convention 
registration is necessary, including the showing 
of an NFB registration badge if 
requested.  Otherwise, regular hotel rates must 
be paid.  The Hilton Anatole is a non-smoking 
hotel; smoking is permitted only on the Gossip 
patio and fifteen feet from any outside entrance.

HILTON ANATOLE GEOGRAPHY
         The Hilton Anatole consists of two main 
sections—the Atrium and the Tower. The Atrium 
section is further divided into Atrium I and 
Atrium II. At the lobby and mezzanine levels 
Atrium I, Atrium II, and the Tower are connected 
so that you can walk from Atrium I at the far 
east end of the hotel through Atrium II into the 
Tower at the far west end of the hotel as if it 
were one building.  During the time of our 
convention the entire central area of Atrium II 
at the lobby level will be undergoing substantial 
renovation.  This renovation will not impact our 
convention operation in any significant way since 
there will be a well-defined passageway linking 
Atrium I with the Tower.  This passageway will 
run east and west along the south side of Atrium II at the lobby level.
      At levels above the mezzanine, Atrium I and 
Atrium II are contiguous with each other but not 
with the Tower—that is, to reach the sleeping 
rooms, you must use either the Atrium elevators 
or the Tower elevators, depending on which 
section your room is located in. The Tower 
sleeping room elevators do not stop at the 
mezzanine level. The Atrium sleeping room 
elevators stop at the mezzanine level, and you 
can reach the mezzanine level meeting rooms above 
the Atrium I lobby, the Atrium II lobby, and the 
Tower lobby. However, a flight of six or eight 
steps links the Atrium II mezzanine and the Tower 
mezzanine. If these steps are a problem, you can 
take a separate, single elevator that goes from 
the Tower lobby to the Tower mezzanine level. 
This elevator is located just west of the 
business center in the Tower lobby. At the west 
end of the Tower mezzanine is a stairway that 
leads to the Tower lobby. When you come down this 
stairway, you are facing east, and the Chantilly 
Ballroom is slightly ahead and on your right.
      Atrium I is the farthest-east section of 
the hotel and sits slightly south of Atrium II. 
Think of the entire hotel as a high-top tennis 
shoe lying on its side with the sole running 
along the north side, the toe pointing west, and 
the open top to the south. The right angle formed 
where the back of the shoe meets the sole in the 
hotel’s architecture is actually cut on the 
diagonal so that, when entering the hotel on that 
diagonal, you are facing southwest.  Atrium I is 
much shorter in its north-south dimension than 
are Atrium II and the Tower on the east-west 
axis. After you step into the main entrance, a 
left turn takes you towards the check-in desk and Atrium I.
      If you stand with your back to the check-in 
desk, you are facing west. Atrium I is on your 
left, and Atrium II is slightly to your right and 
straight ahead. The Atrium elevators and stairway 
and escalators to the mezzanine-level meeting 
rooms are located just across from the Atrium 
front desk and main entrance in the general area 
where the two Atria join.  Access to the 
temporary passageway between Atrium I and the 
Tower will be located here also.
      The lobby level of Atrium I and the area 
south of the temporary Atrium II passageway 
contains several meeting rooms, a brand new 
restaurant called the Media Grill & Bar, and the 
Grand Ballroom, which is located on the south 
side of Atrium II. The Khmer Pavilion is located 
roughly above the Grand Ballroom.
      The point at which the Atrium II lobby 
joins the Tower lobby is located just beyond the 
west end of the Grand Ballroom foyer.  The exact 
configuration of this juncture is unknown at the 
time of this writing because of the renovations 
in progress.  If any steps still remain by the 
time we arrive, there will be a ramp in place for wheelchair access.

      HOTEL FOOD SERVICE
      Breakfast will be available from 6:00 to 
11:00 am in three locations: Common Ground in 
Atrium 1, serving grab-and-go continental 
breakfasts and ala carte items including hot 
breakfast sandwiches; The Terrace in Atrium 1 
serving full hot breakfasts; and Gossips 
(beginning at 6:30 am) in the Tower serving 
specialty coffees and ala carte items.
      Lunch will be available from 11:00 am to 
2:00 pm in the Common Ground serving soups, 
salads, deli and hot sandwiches, quick 
grab-and-go bag lunches, and other ala carte 
items; in The Terrace from 11:00 am to 2:00 pm 
serving a quick hot “blue plate” special each 
day; in Gossips from 11:00 am to 3:00 pm serving 
deli sandwiches and ala carte items; and in the 
Media Grill & Bar (located on the south side of 
Atrium II between the Atrium escalators and the 
Grand Ballroom) from 11:00 am to 10:00 pm 
offering a full-scale lunch and dinner menu.
      Dinner will be available in the Media Grill 
& Bar until 10:00 pm, with “deep-night” bar and 
selected food service continuing until 2:00 am; 
in the Rathskeller (accessed from the Tower lobby 
across from the potpourri shop), serving a 
typical sports bar menu; and in Nana, the 
five-star restaurant located on the 
twenty-seventh floor of the Tower, from 6:30 to 
10:30 pm.  In addition, sushi will be available 
in Gossips until 2:00 am; a variety of hot and 
cold lite fare will be available in the bar at 
Nana from 4:30 pm to 12:30 am; and room service 
is available on a twenty-four-hour basis.



TEXAS-STYLE BARBEQUE AND LIVE MUSIC IN ANATOLE PARK
         Continue the excitement of convention 
opening day by enjoying a delicious Texas-style 
barbeque with family and friends under the stars in Anatole Park.
Listen to the great acoustical sounds of one of 
Texas’ top performing singers and songwriters, 
Brian Burns, with friends Tommy Alverson and 
Davin James, who bring Texas and American country 
music back to the heart of the matter.  All 
hosted by the NFB of Texas and all happening on 
Tuesday, July 6, starting at 6:00 pm.  Tickets 
(while they last) are $45 per person and can be 
purchased in the registration area.

ROOKIE ROUNDUP
           All first-time convention attendees 
are cordially invited to attend a reception from 
8:00 to 10:00 pm on Saturday, July 3, in the 
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby.  President 
Maurer and other Federation leaders will be on 
hand to welcome you to the convention and preview 
the week’s activities. Veteran conventioneers 
should urge all first-timers to attend this 
special event.  Also, first-time rookies are 
invited to join an informal, fun gathering on 
Monday, July 5, from 12:00 noon to 2:00 pm in the Affiliate Action Suite 2372.

         REGISTRATION & PREREGISTRATION
         Registration activities take place in 
the upper Chantilly foyer, Tower lobby beginning 
at 9:00 am on Sunday, July 4; at 8:30 am on 
Monday, July 5; and at other times as listed 
throughout the week.  The fee for registration at 
convention is $20 per person (if you 
preregistered before May 31, the fee was $15), 
and all those attending the convention (both 
local and outoftown people) are asked to 
register. Convention registration is a 
requirement for door prize eligibility and a 
number of other convention activities. We 
condition rates for hotel rooms on proof of 
registration, including the showing of an NFB 
registration badge if requested. Therefore, 
please register as soon as possible after arrival.

         EXHIBITS
Exhibits (excluding the NFB Independence Market) 
are on display in the Khmer Pavilion, Atrium 
third level.  Exhibit hall hours are:
         Sunday          9:00 am to 5:00 pm
         Monday          8:30 am to 5:00 pm
         Tuesday                 Noon to 1:45 pm; 
Sponsors only from 7:00-10:00 pm
         Wednesday       Noon to 1:45 pm and 7:00 to 10:00 pm
There is a special event for sponsor-level 
exhibitors only on Tuesday, July 6, from 7:00 to 
10:00 pm (see “Special Attention” section and 
agenda listing for more information).  Sign up 
for NFB-NEWSLINE® at the NEWSLINE table.  Any 
alterations in the general session schedule which 
may occur during the convention will result in 
conforming shifts in the exhibit schedule and 
will be announced in the exhibit areas. A number 
of affiliated NFB divisions and committees have tables.

INDEPENDENCE MARKET & SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION
         The Independence Market and the Showroom 
of Innovation will be located in the Grand 
Ballroom, Atrium lobby.  NFB publications, 
products, devices, canes, Louis Braille 
commemorative coins, jewelry, and other items 
will be available. Also in the Showroom of 
Innovation you can preview the nonvisual 
interface technology that might empower driving 
and other advanced applications. Put your hands 
on the wheel, touch the first generation blind 
driver challenge vehicle, and glimpse into the 
future.  Be part of the revolution as we Race for 
Independence. Hours of operation for the Market and the Showroom are:
         Sunday          9:00 am to 5:00 pm
         Monday          8:30 am to 5:00 pm
         Tuesday                 Noon to 1:45 pm
         Wednesday       Noon to 1:45 pm—Note: Final time slot to visit
                                 Independence 
Market and Showroom of Innovation.

MEETINGS
         General sessions of the convention 
convene at 9:00 am in the Chantilly Ballroom, 
Tower lobby on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. 
The convention adjourns promptly at 5:00 pm on 
Thursday, July 8.  Please note that all requests 
for announcements by Dr. Maurer during general 
sessions must be submitted in Braille.

         BANQUET AND BANQUET TICKET EXCHANGE
         The banquet is being held in the 
Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby at 7:00 pm, 
Thursday, July 8.  Banquet tickets purchased at 
convention are $45.00 (the cost was $40 if 
purchased before May 31) and are on sale during 
registration on Sunday, Monday, and 
Tuesday.  Banquet tickets will not be available 
for purchase after Tuesday at 2:00 pm.
         It will be necessary to have your 
banquet ticket with you to attend the banquet; it 
will be collected at the banquet table. 
Arrangements should be made for reserved table 
assignments by taking the ticket(s) you purchase 
to the Banquet Exchange Table in the Chantilly 
lobby area, where you may exchange either an 
individual ticket or a group of tickets for 
reserved seating.  Banquet tables seat ten people.


RELIGIOUS SERVICES AND DEVOTIONS
         On Sunday, July 4, Fr. Gregory Paul, 
C.P., will celebrate a Roman Catholic Mass at 
6:30 am in the Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby.

         Also on Sunday at 11:45 am services for 
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 
will be held in the Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby.

         Devotional services will be held in the 
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby at 8:00 am on Tuesday, 
Wednesday, and Thursday.  Services are 
nonsectarian and will end at least fifteen 
minutes prior to morning convention 
sessions.  Coordinated by the National 
Association of the Blind in Communities of Faith 
Division; Tom Anderson, President.

K-NFB’S BLIO READER
MAKING BOOKS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
      Printed books are becoming digital and 
accessible.  Blio is free e-reader software 
designed for presentation of digital 
media.  Developed and distributed by K-NFB 
Reading Technology, Inc., shop at the online Blio 
bookstore with access to over one million free 
books.  Read wherever you are by syncing your 
digital library to your mobile device. To learn 
more, visit the demonstration sessions listed in 
the agenda on Saturday, Sunday, and Wednesday.

SPECIAL ATTENTION IS CALLED
TO THE FOLLOWING ITEMS
• A Federation Information Desk will be in the 
registration area from Sunday morning, July 4, 
through Thursday, July 8, if you have questions 
or need assistance.  The Texas affiliate will 
also maintain a table near the hotel checkin desk 
in the main lobby to provide assistance and 
hospitality during much of the convention.

• When you register, you will be given a name 
badge. Please wear it at all times during the convention.

• The room number for the Presidential Suite is 
2572.  Someone will be on hand in the 
Presidential Suite throughout most of the 
convention to greet you and make appointments for 
you with the President or anyone else you wish to 
see.  The Presidential Suite will not be open 
during the business sessions of the convention, 
the Monday morning Board of Directors meeting, or 
the Thursday evening banquet. Come to the 
Presidential Suite. You will be most welcome.



• The room number for Mary Ellen Jernigan, 
Chairwoman of Convention Organization and 
Activities, is 2472. Questions concerning hotel 
rooms, meeting rooms, banquet, scheduling, 
registration, and other matters dealing with 
convention arrangements should be referred to the 
Chairwoman of Convention Organization and Activities.

• Individuals needing to conduct business with 
the NFB Treasurer may do so by going to the Opal 
Room, Tower lobby on Tuesday, July 6, between 
5:30 and 7:30 pm, or on Wednesday, July 7, between 12:00 noon and 2:00 pm.

• The Texas Suite (Angela Wolf, President) is 2272.

• The Affiliate Action and Rookie Activities 
Suite (Joanne Wilson and Pam Allen, Coordinators) is 2372.

• Child-care services for children between the 
ages of six weeks and ten years are available 
during convention sessions, most meetings, and 
the banquet.  Preregistration and payment by June 
15 were required for child-care.

         Child-care is organized and supervised 
by Carla McQuillan, the executive director of 
Main Street Montessori Association.  Alison 
McQuillan serves as the activities and staff 
coordinator.  Please note that child-care 
provides morning and afternoon snacks, but 
parents are required to provide lunch for their 
child(ren) every day. Times listed are the 
opening and closing times for child-care. A late 
fee of $10 per quarter-hour per child will be 
assessed for all late pickups.  Child-care hours are:
Saturday, 7/3           8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
Sunday, 7/4             Closed
Monday, 7/5             8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
Tuesday, 7/6            9:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
Wednesday, 7/7          8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
Thursday, 7/8           8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
Banquet 7/8              6:30 pm to 30 minutes after banquet ends

• A Special Evening for Sponsor-Level 
Exhibitors:  Again this year, the exhibit hall 
will reopen from 7:00 to 10:00 pm on Tuesday, 
July 6, for a very special evening dedicated 
solely to Sponsor-Level Exhibitors. Come and 
bring a guest to say “thank you” to our sponsors 
and to enjoy their interesting offers and demonstrations.

• The always popular Showcase of Talent is back 
again at 7:00 pm on Wednesday, July 7, presented 
by the Performing Arts Division.  Admission price 
is $5.00. If you would like to participate in the 
Showcase, make sure to sign up early by 
contacting a Performing Arts Division board member at the convention.

• Raffle tickets will not be sold in the 
registration area, and no raffles or other such 
drawings will take place during convention 
sessions or at the banquet. The single exception 
to this rule will be that national divisions may 
(if they request it in advance) conduct such 
drawings during the convention or at the 
banquet.  The Sapphire Room, Tower lobby will be 
set aside at 12:00 noon on Thursday, July 8, for 
all other drawings. Any group or affiliate 
wishing to conduct drawings at this time (or any 
person wishing to know the winners) may go at 
noon on Thursday to the Sapphire Room.

AFFILIATED DIVISIONS, COMMITTEES, AND GROUPS
         The Federation carries on its business 
through divisions, committees, and groups. The 
meetings of some of these have been scheduled for 
particular times and are listed in the agenda. 
Others have not been formally scheduled but will 
meet at the call of their chairpersons or 
presidents. If you have matters that you would 
like to discuss with any of the following 
divisions, committees, or groups, you should contact:

Divisions:
• Agriculture and Equestrian: Fred Chambers, President;
• Assistive Technology Trainers:  Michael Barber, President;
• Classics, Antiques, and Rods or Special Interest Vehicles (CARS):
         Joseph B. Naulty, President;
• Deaf-Blind: Burnell Brown, President;
• Diabetes Action Network for the Blind: Michael Freeman, President;
• Human Services: David Stayer, President;
• National Association of the Blind in Communities of Faith: Tom Anderson,
         President;
• National Association of Blind Entrepreneurs: James R. Bonerbo,
         President;
• National Association of Blind Lawyers: Scott LaBarre, President;
• National Association of Blind Merchants: Kevan Worley, President;
• National Association of Blind Office Professionals: Lisa Hall, President;
• National Association of Blind Piano Technicians: Don Mitchell, President;
• National Association of Blind Rehabilitation Professionals: Melody
         Lindsey, President;
• National Association of Blind Students: Arielle Silverman, President;
• National Association of Blind Veterans: Dwight Sayer, President;
• National Association of Guide Dog Users: Marion Gwizdala, President;
• National Association to Promote the Use of 
Braille (NAPUB): Nadine Jacobson, President;
Divisions, Continued:
• National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science: Curtis Chong,
         President;
• National Federation of the Blind Krafters: Joyce Kane, President;
• National Federation of the Blind Seniors: Judy Sanders, President;
• National Organization of Blind Educators: Sheila Koenig, President;
• National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC): Carol
         Castellano, President;
• Performing Arts: Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President;
• Public Employees: Ivan Weich, President;
• Science and Engineering: John Miller, President;
• Sports and Recreation: Lisamaria Martinez, President;
• Travel and Tourism: Don Gillmore, President;
• Writers: Robert Leslie Newman, President.

Committees:
• Ambassadors: Angela Wolf, Chairperson;
• Blind Educator of the Year Award: David Ticchi, Chairperson;
• Committee on Assistive Technology (COAT): Curtis Chong, Chairperson;
• Committee on Automobile and Pedestrian Safety (CAPS): Deborah Kent
         Stein, Chairperson;
• Committee to Empower Underserved Populations (CEUP): Ron Brown,
         Chairperson;
• Cultural Exchange and International Program: Diane McGeorge,
         Chairperson;
• Distinguished Educator of Blind Children Award: Cathy Jackson,
         Chairperson;
• Employment: Buna Dahal, Chairperson;
• Genetic Education: Barbara Pierce, Chairperson;
• Imagination Fund: Parnell Diggs, Chairperson;
• Jacobus tenBroek Award: Ramona Walhof, Chairperson;
• Jacobus tenBroek Memorial Fund: Tami Jones, Chairperson;
• Kenneth Jernigan Fund: Allen Harris, Chairperson;
• Library Services: David Hyde, Chairperson;
• Loan Fund: Donald C. Capps, Chairperson;
• Membership: Ron Gardner, Chairperson;
• Newel Perry Award: Allen Harris, Chairperson;
• Newsletter Publications: Norma Crosby, Chairperson;
• NFB-NEWSLINE® Steering: David DeNotaris, Chairperson;
• PAC Plan: Scott LaBarre, Chairperson;
• Planned Giving: John Halverson, Chairperson;
• Promotion, Evaluation, and Advancement of Technology: Gary Wunder,
         Chairperson;
Committees, Continued:
• Public Relations: Christopher Danielsen, Chairperson;
• Research and Development: Curtis Chong, Chairperson;
• Resolutions: Sharon Maneki, Chairperson;
• Scholarship: Anil Lewis, Chairperson;
• Shares Unlimited in NFB (SUN): Sandy Halverson, Chairperson;
• Spanish Translation: Norman Gardner, Chairperson;
• White Cane and Affiliate Finance: Alpidio Rolón, Chairperson.

Groups:
• Blind Musicians: Linda Mentink, Chairperson;
• Blind Parents: Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson;
• Blind Professional Journalists: Elizabeth Campbell and Bryan Bashin,
         Co-Chairpersons;
• Educators of Blind Children: Gail Wagner, Chairperson;
• Geordi's Engineers: Lorraine Rovig, Chairperson;
• Legislative Initiatives Discussion: Don Burns, Coordinator;
• Living History: Michael Freholm, Chairperson;
• NFB Ham Radio: D. Curtis Willoughby, Chairperson;
• NFB in Judaism: David Stayer, Chairperson;
• NFB Lions: Ramona Walhof and Milton Ota, Co-Chairpersons;
• Orientation and Mobility: Edward C. Bell, Chairperson;
• Professionals in Blindness Education: Heather Field, Chairperson
• Webmasters: Gary Wunder, Chairperson.


         CONVENTION AGENDA
  SATURDAY, JULY 3, 2010

7:30 - 8:45 am—HAM RADIO GROUP EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS
Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
Discuss convention frequencies, hotel 
architectural features, and distributing special 
FM receivers for the hearing-impaired and 
Spanish-speaking attendees. D. Curtis Willoughby (ka0vba), Chairperson

7:30 am - 6:30 pm—EDUCATION: TOP DOWN AND BOTTOM UP
Parent, Teacher, Rehabilitation, and Orientation 
& Mobility Joint Conference for Families and 
Rehabilitation Professionals (7:30 to 8:45 am—Registration;

12:00 noon - 2:00 pm—NBPCB Awards Luncheon in Morocco Room)
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
         NOPBC Fees: Adults $30; Youth (13-18) $20; Children (5-12) $10
         NBPCB Fees (includes lunch): Students $75; Professionals $100
         Note: Conference admission included with either registration above.
Sponsors: National Organization of Parents of 
Blind Children (NOPBC); National Blindness 
Professional Certification Board (NBPCB); 
National Association of Blind Rehabilitation 
Professionals (NABRP); and the Professional 
Development & Research Institute on Blindness 
(PDRIB) at the Louisiana Tech University. 
Chairpersons: Carol Castellano and Edward Bell

8:30 am—CHILD-CARE (Preregistration by June 15 was required)
Batik A & B and Cardinal A & B Rooms, Atrium Mezzanine
Please see “Special Attention” section of agenda for further information.

8:30 - 11:30 am—WHAT’S NEW IN JAWS 11 AND A FIRST 
LOOK AT JAWS 12—FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC, INC.
Senators Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
Join Eric Damery, JAWS Product Manager, for an 
exciting and informative session covering the new 
details surrounding JAWS development during the 
past year.  In addition to many demonstrations of 
JAWS 11 with Research It, this will also be the 
first look at JAWS 12 scheduled for public beta in August 2010.

9:00 am - 12:00 noon—GW MICRO: SENSE NOTETAKER 
AND BOOKSENSE TRAINING (Registration: $10; refreshments provided)
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
The Braille Sense Plus and other Sense notetakers 
are exciting devices in Braille notetaker 
technology.  Learn new features, including the GW 
Sense Navigation GPS.  See the BookSense in 
action; play your books and audio files with 
ease.  Raul Gallegos and Jeremy Curry. To register, call 260-489-3671.
  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

9:00 am - 5:00 pm—NFB JERNIGAN INSTITUTE’S ACCESS TECHNOLOGY SEMINARS
Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby

     9:00 - 11:30 am—Apple’s Mac system, iPod series, iPhone, and iPad
     1:00 - 2:00 pm—Ebay’s accessibility improvements
     2:15 - 3:30 pm—Blackboard Learn, the online platform for education
     3:45 - 5:00 pm—Accessing e-Books rapidly expanding market

9:00 am - 5:00 pm—EMPLOYMENT COMMITTEE SEMINAR
Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
     9:00 am–Registration; 9:30 am–Seminar begins
Staying on the cutting edge—what does it 
take?  If you are seeking a job or focused on 
career advancement, don't miss this excellent 
opportunity to explore the building blocks of 
evolutionary employment.  Buna Dahal, Chairperson

9:30 am - 2:30 pm—SENIORS SEMINAR: INTRO TO BLINDNESS SKILLS
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
Please note—attendance is limited to around 
thirty-five people, so arrive promptly.  Blind 
instructors introduce seniors to basic blindness 
skills: Braille, use of the long white cane, 
games, etc.  Co-chaired by Ruth Sager and Ramona 
Walhof; Judy Sanders, President, NFB Seniors Division

10:30 am - 12:00 noon—“WHERE PAST, PRESENT, AND 
FUTURE COME TOGETHER”—NFB YOUTH TRACK (AGES 11 TO 18)
Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
Kick off this year’s Youth Track activities with 
fun icebreakers and meet new friends.  This is 
also a time for youth to debate the age-old 
issues of blindness while putting a fresh new 
spin on them for today.  All Youth Track 
activities are sponsored by the NFB Jernigan 
Institute; Mary Jo Hartle, Coordinator

12:45 - 1:45 pm—WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB 
JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS—SESSION ONE 
(Session Two: Sunday at 5:30 pm; Session Three: Monday at 7:30 pm)
Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
Session One covers research, history, and our literature.
Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute


  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

1:00 - 3:00 pm—FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC; OPENBOOK 9 AND 
PEARL PORTABLE READING SOLUTION
Senators Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
Have lightning fast OCR with OpenBook in a 
portable solution that folds up.  Connect via a 
USB port and scan documents. Have them read aloud 
using Eloquence voices or any of Real Speak Solo 
Direct human-sounding voices now available on 
OpenBook. Magnify work, write under the camera, and reformat text.

1:00 - 5:00 pm—HUMANWARE PRODUCT SHOWCASE AND USER GROUPS
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Sessions: 1:00 Breeze; 2:00 Portable Devices; 3:00 Stream; 4:00 BrailleNote
Join HumanWare to learn about recent updates and 
share product tips. Give us your suggestions or 
ask questions about your favorite HumanWare 
product. Door Prizes for every session!

1:00 - 6:00 pm—KRAFTERS DIVISION CRAFT SHOW
Topaz Room, Tower lobby
If you are interested in crafts and appreciate 
hand-made items, this is the place to be!  Come 
and meet some very talented Federation crafters 
and purchase their beautiful items for sale. Joyce Kane, President

1:30 - 2:45 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel.

2:00 - 3:00 pm—NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
         The Conquest of Independence
         Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Helpful strategies for raising and working with a young blind child.
         Instructor: Carla McQuillan

         The Blind Student in Science Class
         Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Tools and techniques to include blind 
students in all aspects of science.
         Instructors: Cary Supalo, Dr. Lillian 
Rankel, Marilyn Winograd, and Dr.
         Andrew Greenberg

  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS, Cont’d.
         Braille Reading Rates
         Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
Your child can become a Braille-reading speed demon!
Instructors: Jerry Whittle and Dr. Eric Vasiliauskas

Let Your Child Grow Up!
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
When is the right time to begin stepping back as a parent?
Instructors: Rosy Carranza and Andrea Beasley

2:00 - 5:00 pm—GOAL BALL; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
Gym, Verandah area
Lisamaria Martinez, President

2:00 - 5:00 pm—GW MICRO: WINDOW-EYES TRAINING 
(Registration: $10; refreshments provided)
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Explore the power of Window-Eyes with advanced 
scripting support, Office 2010, Windows 7, and 
much more.  Come to see support for the Internet 
and scripting provided by a screen 
reader.  Presenters: Jeremy Curry and Raul 
Gallegos. To register, call 260-489-3671.

2:00 - 5:00 pm—YOUTH TRACK CONCURRENT WORKSHOP SESSIONS
         Preparing for the Future:
         Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
         2:00 - 3:30 pm—High School Readiness (ages 11-14)
         3:30 - 5:00 pm—College Readiness (ages 14-18)

         Working Out Workouts:
         Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
         2:00 - 3:30 pm—For ages 14-18
         3:30 - 5:00 pm—For ages 11-14

         Looking Good without Looking:
         Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
         2:00 - 3:30 pm—For ages 14-18
         3:30 - 5:00 pm—For ages 11-14


  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

3:00 - 4:30 pm—TEACHER RECRUITMENT INITIATIVE
Affiliate Action Suite 2372
If you are interested in improving the education 
of blind students, please join us. Learn how to 
contact universities in your area, put on 
recruitment presentations, and spread the word about this rewarding career.
Hosted by the NFB Affiliate Action Team

3:00 - 4:45 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel.

3:15 - 4:15 pm—NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS

ABC and 1, 2, 3
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
Early literacy and number understanding at home and at school.
Instructors:  Heather Field and Stephanie Kieszak-Holloway

I Survived Math Class
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Tips to ensure your child understands, keeps up 
with, and even learns to love math.

         Social Skills
         Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Strategies for fostering the development 
of age-appropriate social skills.
         Instructors: Denise Mackenstadt and Angela Frederick

         Low Vision: Focus on Success
         Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Prepare your low vision child for 
success in school, at home, and in social
         life.  Instructors: Marla Palmer and Mark Riccobono

4:30 - 5:30 pm—NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
Get Your Child Going!
Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
Enhance and promote independent movement in the 
young or delayed child.  Instructor: Denise Mackenstadt

  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS, Cont’d.

Technology
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Available technology; hear from students on how 
they employ it.  Instructors: Richard Holloway and blind students

         Behavior: From Control to Support in Five Easy Lessons
         Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Steps to turn problem behavior into positive behavior.
         Instructor: Dr. Jerry Petroff

         Is Your Child Job Ready?
         Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Learn how your child can gain experience and skills.

5:00 - 7:00 pm—SPANISH SEMINAR
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Blindness is blindness, no matter what the 
language.  Meet new and old friends; learn about 
Federation philosophy and the truth about 
blindness—in Spanish.  Moderator: Alpidio Rolón

5:00 - 8:00 pm—MIX-AND-MINGLE RECEPTION FOR 
PARENTS AND REHABILITATION PROFESSIONALS
Morocco Room, Tower mezzanine

6:00 - 10:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GUIDE DOG 
USERS (NAGDU) BUSINESS MEETING
Emerald Room, Tower lobby
   6:00 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Meeting begins
Find out about legal cases that NAGDU and NFB are 
involved in; learn about the work and development 
of affiliate divisions; celebrate the launch of 
the NAGDU Education and Advocacy Hotline; elect 
your division leaders. Marion Gwizdala, President





  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

6:30 - 10:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND OFFICE PROFESSIONALS
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
    6:30 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Meeting begins
Learn about new technology and how blind 
telephone operators, receptionists, customer 
service reps, Braille transcribers and 
proofreaders, and other office workers solve 
problems and challenges in the office setting.  Lisa Hall, President

7:00 - 8:30 pm—LIVING HISTORY GROUP
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
Dedicated to recording, preserving, and 
appreciating Federation history.  Michael Freholm, Chairperson

7:00 - 9:00 pm—NOPBC FAMILY HOSPITALITY NIGHT
Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
Relax and chat in an informal atmosphere.  This 
is a great opportunity for new families to meet 
and connect with others.  Veteran parents will be 
on hand to welcome and provide information.

7:00 - 10:00 pm—INDEPENDENCE SCIENCE, LLC FOCUS GROUP ONE
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
(Preregistration by May 15 was required to 
attend.) Independence Science LLC, in 
collaboration with Purdue University researchers, 
is collecting feedback on a new portable handheld 
data collection device for blind students to use 
in high school science laboratories.  (Focus 
Group Two meets Monday at 7:00 pm)

7:30 - 9:00 pm—knfbReader MOBILE USERS MEETING
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Conducted by Michael Hingson

7:30 - 11:00 pm—SALSA DANCE LESSIONS AND LATIN DANCE PARTY
Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
Get into the “rhythm” of the convention—learn the 
salsa!  Group and individual instructions 
provided at any level of proficiency.  Fee of 
$5.00 benefits the NFB Spanish Translation 
Committee.  Add salsa dancing to your repertoire; people will be impressed.




  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

8:00 - 9:00 pm—WHITE CANE AND AFFILIATE FINANCE COMMITTEE
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Alpidio Rolón, Chairperson

8:00 - 10:00 pm—NFB LIONS GROUP
Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
NFB members who would like to join a Lions Club 
or are already Lions are urged to meet to share 
ideas and experiences.  Please wear your shirts 
or vests for a photo. Co-Chairpersons: Ramona Walhof and Milton Ota

8:00 - 10:00 pm—ROOKIE ROUNDUP RECEPTION
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
First-time convention attendees—don’t miss this 
event!  President Maurer and former rookies will 
be on hand to welcome you and answer questions 
about the week’s activities. Casual dress. 
Coordinator: Pam Allen, Director of the Louisiana 
Center for the Blind and President of the NFB of Louisiana

8:00 pm - midnight—KARAOKE NIGHT?? (Admission: $5.00)
Peacock Terrace, West Wing
Enjoy music, door prizes, and a cash bar; meet 
BLIND, Incorporated’s students and alumni and 
share their experiences from training.  Here’s 
your chance to sing like a rock star; Braille 
song lists are available.  Hosted by BLIND, Inc.

9:00 - 10:00 pm—NFB AMBASSADORS COMMITTEE MEETING
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Angela Wolf, Chairperson













  SUNDAY, JULY 4, 2010

6:30 - 7:30 am—ROMAN CATHOLIC MASS
Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
Father Gregory Paul, C.P., Celebrant

9:00 am - 5:00 pm—REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND 
BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH); Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby

9:00 am - 5:00 pm—INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND 
SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION—Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby

9:00 am 5:00 pm—EXHIBITS—Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level

11:45 am - 1:15 pm—CHURCH SERVICES FOR THE CHURCH 
OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby

1:00 - 2:00 pm—BLIND MUSICIANS GROUP
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Share ideas and tips and network with other blind musicians.
Linda Mentink, Chairperson

1:00 - 5:00 pm—SELF-DEFENSE CLASS; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
De Soto A & B Rooms, West Wing
Lisamaria Martinez, President

1:00 - 5:00 pm—AUTO SHOW (CLASSICS, ANTIQUES, AND SPECIAL INTEREST VEHICLES)
Clock Tower Parking Lot
Presented by the NFB CARS Division; Joe Naulty, President

1:00 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL CERTIFICATION IN LITERARY 
BRAILLE (NCLB) OFFICIAL EXAMINATION—SECTIONS ONE AND TWO
Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
Participants must have preregistered.  Exam 
sections three and four are on Monday at 1:00 
pm.  Sponsored by the National Blindness Professional Certification Board



  SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued

1:00 - 6:30 pm—PROFESSIONALS IN BLINDNESS EDUCATION
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
Heather Field, Chairperson

1:30 pm—RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE
Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
Sharon Maneki, Chairperson

1:30 - 2:45 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel

2:00 - 4:30 pm—OPEN BRAILLE INITIATIVE
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
To make access to Braille easier, a group of 
prominent Braille device manufacturers have come 
together to develop and maintain an Open Standard 
for communications between screen readers and 
Braille displays.  Do you want to know more? Join 
us for the OpenBraille initiative presentation.

2:30 - 5:30 pm—TRAVEL AND TOURISM DIVISION
Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
Don Gillmore, President

3:00 - 4:45 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel

3:00 - 5:00 pm—WHAT’S NEW WITH NFB-NEWSLINE®
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Learn about the NFB’s free audible newspaper 
service for the blind and visually 
impaired.  Topics cover Podable News, the new 
voices, the new on-demand article request 
feature, and more.  Sign up for NFB-NEWSLINE® at its exhibit hall table.

4:00 - 5:30 pm—SLATE MATES—NFB YOUTH TRACK (Ages 11-18)
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Pair up with members of the NFB Writers Division 
to learn the tricks of the trade to become a good 
writer.  Bring your questions, and put your interests to work.
  SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued

4:00 - 6:00 pm—FEDERATION REGENERATION
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Learn how to develop quality programs for youth 
in your state while regenerating your Federation 
spirit.  Presented by the NFB Jernigan Institute Education Team

4:30 - 6:00 pm—THIRTEENTH ANNUAL MOCK 
TRIAL—National Association of Blind Lawyers; Scott LaBarre, President
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
Admission: $5.00.  Federation lawyers are pitted 
against each other reenacting an old Federation 
case with the audience serving as the 
jury.  Although the subject matter is very 
serious, the courtroom portrayers are very entertaining.

5:30 - 6:30 pm—WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB 
JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS—SESSION TWO (Session Three: Monday at 7:30)
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
Session Two covers access technology and product development.
Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute

5:30 - 8:00 pm—NEWSLETTER PUBLICATIONS COMMITTEE
Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
Annual meeting and workshop for affiliate 
newsletter editors.  Norma Crosby, Chairperson

6:00 - 8:00 pm—STORY TIME IDOL—NFB WRITERS DIVISION
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Tell and/or listen to tall and scary 
stories.  Cost is $5.00 at the door and $1.00 to 
tell a story.  Idol winners share in the take!  Robert Leslie Newman, President

6:00 - 10:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS (NABS)
Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
    6:00 pm–Registration ($5.00); 7:00 pm–Meeting
Students, young professionals, parents, teachers, 
and anyone interested in learning about issues 
affecting blind students are welcome to attend.
Arielle Silverman, President







  SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued

6:30 - 8:00 pm—NFB AFFILIATE PRESIDENTS AND TREASURERS SEMINAR
Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
All affiliate presidents and treasurers are asked 
to attend this session.  Topics include internal 
controls, state charitable registrations, 
end-of-year preparations, and discussing 
individual state issues with facilitators Charlie 
Brown, Ron Gardner, Bridgid Burke, and Nick Lambright

7:00 - 8:30 pm—MEET THE BLIND MONTH ACTIVITIES 
AND OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS SEMINAR: PLANS AND ACTION EQUAL SUCCESS
Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
October is “Meet the Blind Month.” Come and 
brainstorm with us as we look for fresh ideas for 
Meet the Blind Month!  Learn new fundraising 
ideas, and get your chapter ready to change 
public perceptions of blindness. Karen Zakhnini, NFB Jernigan Institute

7:00 - 8:30 pm—PUBLIC EMPLOYEES DIVISION
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
Ivan Weich, President

7:00 - 10:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND VETERANS
Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Discussing plans to increase our division 
membership in the coming year and holding elections.  Dwight Sayer, President

7:30 - 9:30 pm—MEMBERSHIP COMMITTEE: FINDING, 
ATTRACTING, AND KEEPING NEW MEMBERS IN OUR CHAPTERS AND AFFILIATES
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Success only comes before work in the 
dictionary.  Let’s discuss creative ideas to 
increase our membership. Ron Gardner, Chairperson

7:30 - 9:30 pm—LIBRARY SERVICES COMMITTEE
Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
David Hyde, Chairperson

7:30 - 9:30 pm—BLIND PARENTS GROUP
Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson



  SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued

8:00 - 9:00 pm—JUDAISM MEETING
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
David Stayer, Chairperson, NFB in Judaism Group

8:00 - 9:30 pm—WEBMASTERS MEETING
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
A meeting for all NFB affiliate and division 
Webmasters to discuss the importance of an 
informative, accessible, and visually attractive Website.
Gary Wunder, Chairperson, Webmasters Group

9:00 - 10:00 pm—SPANISH TRANSLATION COMMITTEE
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Norman Gardner, Chairperson



   MONDAY, JULY 5, 2010

8:30 am - 5:00 pm—INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND 
SHOWCASE OF INNOVATION—Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby

8:30 am 5:00 pm—EXHIBITS—Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level

8:30 am - 5:00 pm—REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND 
BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH); Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby

9:00 11:30 am—NFB BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING (Open to all)
Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby

12:00 noon - 1:15 pm—THE DIVISION FOR ME—NFB YOUTH TRACK
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Meet-and-greet with division representatives to 
discover the NFB’s dynamic and diverse 
divisions.  Chat with knowledgeable reps about 
what’s happening now in their divisions and 
what’s in the works for the future.  Our 
divisions are progressive—join up and join in the fun.

12:00 noon - 2:00 pm—FIRST-TIME NFB CONVENTION ATTENDEES
Affiliate Action Suite 2372
Is this your first National Federation of the 
Blind convention? If so, please bring your own 
lunch and participate in a fun gathering; meet 
some friendly people and have your convention 
questions answered by experienced Federationists.

12:30 - 5:00 pm—DIABETES ACTION NETWORK (DAN) SEMINAR
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
    12:30 pm–Registration; 1:00 pm–Meeting begins
Learn about research updates on the use of 
insulin pens by Dr. Ann Williams, strategies to 
get medical insurance providers to cover diabetes 
management equipment accessible to the blind, and 
more.  Mike Freeman, President

12:30 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS (NABL)
L’Entrecote Room, Atrium lobby
    12:30 pm - Registration; 1:00 pm - Meeting begins
Examine laws affecting blind people and others 
with disabilities; address ongoing struggles to 
gain equal access to Web sites, employment, legal 
texts and exams. Scott LaBarre, President


   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

12:30 - 5:00 pm—NFB IN COMPUTER SCIENCE
Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
    12:30 pm–Registration; 1:00 pm–Meeting begins
Some of the topics include: the Macintosh as a 
productivity tool for the blind; Solona, a 
CAPTCHA-solving service; Association of 
Information Technology Professionals 
presentation; accessibility to Microsoft’s 
products by its director of accessibility, Rob 
Sinclair; elections; and much more.  Curtis Chong, President

12:30 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF THE BLIND IN COMMUNITIES OF FAITH
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
    12:30 pm–Registration; 1:00 pm–Meeting begins
The theme is “Meeting Challenges: Gaining 
Opportunities.”  Speakers tell how their faith 
has helped them face and overcome challenges; 
also hear representatives from various 
faith-based libraries and publishing houses 
describe what their organizations do. Tom Anderson, President

12:30 - 5:00 pm—SPORTS AND RECREATION DIVISION ANNUAL MEETING
Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
    12:30 pm–Registration; 1:00 pm–Meeting begins
Wear your sweats and come ready for hands-on 
presentations, audible darts, and more!  Lisamaria Martinez, President

1:00 3:00 pm—PUBLIC RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING & SEMINAR
Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Don't wait for the media to discover you—come and 
share ideas and strategies on how to harness the 
power of the media! Topics: crafting press 
releases, pitching stories, and giving 
informative interviews. Chris Danielsen, Chairperson

1:00 - 4:00 pm—PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION
Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
General meeting with elections, an introduction 
to our new state divisions, and speakers.  Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President

1:00 - 4:15 pm—NOPBC DIVISION ANNUAL MEETING: ISSUES AND ADVANCES IN EDUCATION
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
Carol Castellano, President


  MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

1:00 - 4:30 pm—NOPBC ACTIVITIES FOR MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOLERS

1:00 - 2:30 pm—Diggin’ Into Science (ages 11-14)
Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
Hands-on science fun with instant snow, magnets, volcanoes, etc.
Instructors: Dr. Lillian A. Rankel and Marilyn 
Winograd, with assistance from chemists Cary Supalo and Dr. Andrew Greenberg

3:00 - 4:30 pm—Peer-to-Peer Technology (ages 11-18)
Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
Calling all geeks to expound on technology you love and love to hate.
Moderators: Jeremiah Beasley and John Fritz

3:00 - 4:30 pm—The Future Is Here in Science (ages 14-18)
         Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
         Hands-on chemistry activities; understanding chemical phenomena.
         Instructors: Dr. Lillian A. Rankel, 
Marilyn Winograd, Cary Supalo, and Dr.
         Andrew Greenberg

1:00 - 4:30 pm—NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF BLIND EDUCATORS
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
    1:00 pm–Registration; 1:30 pm–Meeting begins
Blind teachers discuss techniques they use in 
their classrooms; participants also meet in 
groups specific to grade level and content areas 
of interest to create a network of mentors.  If 
you teach or are considering a career in teaching 
at any level, please join us. Sheila Koenig, President

1:00 5:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND 
MERCHANTS REVOLUTIONIZING RANDOLPH-SHEPPARD: 
CREATING NEW, ROBUST, AND DIVERSE SMALL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BLIND
De La Salle Room, West Wing
   1:00 pm–Registration; 1:30 pm–Meeting begins
The title says it all. Let’s continue to protect 
and defend the Randolph-Sheppard Program. The 
need to expand business opportunities and to 
develop new business initiatives for the blind of America is pressing.
At Your Service, Kevan Worley, President




  MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

1:00 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL CERTIFICATION IN LITERARY 
BRAILLE (NCLB) OFFICIAL EXAMINATION—SECTIONS THREE AND FOUR
Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
Participants must have preregistered.  Sponsored 
by the National Blindness Professional Certification Board

1:00 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND REHABILITATION PROFESSIONALS
Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
    1:00 pm–Registration; 2:00 pm–Meeting begins
Network, share mutual interests, find placement 
strategies, and examine and discuss concerns and 
current issues.  Melody Lindsey, President

1:00 - 5:00 pm—“SENIORS IN CHARGE”—NFB SENIORS 
DIVISION MEETING AND (SOMEWHAT) SILENT AUCTION
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Join us to hear enthusiastic seniors share ideas 
about what they are doing; find out ways to 
spread our message of hope to seniors who have 
recently become blind.  And then, of course, we 
are also having our very popular not-so-silent auction. Judy Sanders, President

1:00 - 6:00 pm—HUMAN SERVICES DIVISION
Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
    1:00–Registration; 2:00–Meeting begins; 5:00—Mingle and network
Psychologists; social workers; counselors; and 
music, art, or dance therapists meet to discuss 
topics and network.  David Stayer, President

1:30 3:00 pm—CULTURAL EXCHANGE AND INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM COMMITTEE
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Diane McGeorge, Chairperson

1:30 - 4:30 pm—WRITERS DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Update members on division business, announce the 
2010 winners of the youth and adult writing 
contests, visit with a published author and 
member of the NFB, and plan for the future. Robert Leslie Newman, President


   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

3:00 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND PIANO TECHNICIANS
Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
Piano tuning has long been considered one of the 
stereotypical career choices for the blind.  Is 
this true? What can we do about it? Don Mitchell, President

5:00 - 6:30 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS (NABL) RECEPTION
L’Entrecote Room, Atrium lobby
For NABL members and seminar participants only to 
promote networking and fellowship within our 
membership. Hors d'oeuvres and cash bar available.
Scott LaBarre, President

5:00 - 7:00 pm—BRAILLE BOOK FLEA MARKET
De Soto A & B Rooms, West Wing
A book lover’s dream! Browse tables of new and 
used Braille and print/Braille books.  UPS 
volunteers will ship the books to your home free 
of charge.  Donations requested to support the 
Braille Readers are Leaders program.  Cosponsored 
by NOPBC and NAPUB.  Coordinator: Peggy Chong

5:30 - 7:00 pm—KURZWEIL 1000 USERS’ CONTINGENT
Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Join the Kurzweil 1000 Users’ Contingent!  Meet 
with Steve Baum, Vice President of Engineering, 
and share some Kurzweil 1000 
experiences.  Kurzweil 1000 is our 
state-of-the-art, text-to-speech and life 
navigation software for blind and visually impaired readers.

6:00 - 9:00 pm—INDOOR ROWING; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
Lisamaria Martinez, President

6:00 - 10:00 pm—BACK TO BASICS: FOUNDATIONS IN 
MEMBERSHIP AND CHAPTER DEVELOPMENT
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
Topics: running a purposeful chapter meeting, 
building membership, community projects and 
chapter fundraising, working with youth, and 
weaving Federation philosophy into local 
meetings.  Presented by the NFB Affiliate Action Team




   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

6:00 - 10:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GUIDE DOG 
USERS (NAGDU) SILVER ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION AND SEMINAR
Emerald Room, Tower lobby
    6:00 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Seminar begins
Join us in celebrating twenty-five years of 
education and advocacy on behalf of guide dog 
users, recognize our founders and past leaders, 
initiate future projects, and “test drive” a 
guide dog!  Marion Gwizdala, President

6:30 - 9:30 pm—SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING DIVISION
Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
   6:30 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Meeting begins
John Miller, President

6:30 - 10:00 pm—ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY TRAINERS DIVISION
Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
   6:30 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Meeting begins
Topics: determining the right note taker for your 
student; plunging without fear into Windows 7 
with Cathyanne Murtha of Access Technology 
Institute; Jsay Pro; and teaching the Mac.  Michael Barber, President

7:00 - 8:30 pm—“BROKEN-HEARTED RIVER TO FREEDOM” 
a play by Jerry Whittle (Admission: $5.00; Second 
Performance is at 9:00 pm)
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
A man loses his sight during the Civil War, 
returns home, and learns to deal with his 
blindness and family.  The play is performed by 
the Louisiana Center for the Blind Players; 
proceeds go to the Louisiana Center for the 
Blind’s summer training program for blind children.

7:00 - 9:00 pm—CLASSICS, ANTIQUES, AND RODS 
(CARS) DIVISION SEMINAR AND BUSINESS MEETING
Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
Come and hear speakers from automobile clubs talk 
about their activities and participate in the 
division business meeting. Joseph B. Naulty, President

7:00 - 9:00 pm—COMMITTEE TO EMPOWER UNDERSERVED POPULATIONS
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Ron Brown, Chairperson

   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

7:00 - 9:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION TO PROMOTE 
THE USE OF BRAILLE (NAPUB) SEMINAR
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Hear about the remaining commemorative Louis 
Braille silver dollars and how to get one, NFB 
Share Braille Website, and more.  Nadine Jacobson, President

7:00 - 10:00 pm—INDEPENDENCE SCIENCE FOCUS GROUP TWO
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
(Preregistration by May 15 was required to 
attend.) Independence Science LLC, in 
collaboration with Purdue University researchers, 
is collecting feedback on a new portable handheld 
data collection device for blind students to use 
in high school science laboratories.

7:30 - 8:30 pm—ME AND THE GOSSIP GIRLS—NFB YOUTH TRACK
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine–Ages 11-14
Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine–Ages 14-18
Girls—bring your questions and thoughts about 
makeup, dating, or how to get more involved in 
your school.  Discussions will be led by blind 
mentors.  Parents, please respect this is for teens only!

7:30 - 8:30 pm— ME AND THE GUYS—NFB YOUTH TRACK
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine–Ages 11-14
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine–Ages 14-18
Guys—talk about cars, dating, school, or how to 
nail that perfect job to make a little extra 
money.  Discussions will be led by blind mentors. 
Parents, please respect this is for teens only!

7:30 - 8:45 pm—WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB 
JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS—SESSION THREE
Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Session Three covers education programs.
Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute

7:30 - 10:00 pm—COMMITTEE FOR THE PROMOTION, 
EVALUATION, AND ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOGY
Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
Hear exhibitors explain briefly what they are 
exhibiting and where they are located in the 
exhibit hall.  We will also evaluate the 
effectiveness of what our Committee is doing now 
and consider programs for the coming year. Gary Wunder, Chairperson
   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

8:00 - 9:00 pm—FRIENDS OF RECOVERY MEETING
Library Room, Tower mezzanine
All convention delegates involved in or 
interested in twelve-step recovery programs are 
invited to attend.  A second Friends of Recovery 
meeting will be on Wednesday at 8:00 pm.  Coordinator: Gary Ray

9:00 - 10:30 pm—“BROKEN-HEARTED RIVER TO FREEDOM” 
a play by Jerry Whittle (Admission: $5.00)
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
A man loses his sight during the Civil War, 
returns home, and learns to deal with his 
blindness and family.  The play is performed by 
the Louisiana Center for the Blind Players; 
proceeds go to the Louisiana Center for the 
Blind’s summer training program for blind children.


























   TUESDAY, JULY 6, 2010

8:00 - 8:45 am—DEVOTIONS
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby

8:15 8:45 am—REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND 
BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH)—Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby



         OPENING GENERAL SESSION

9:00 am INVOCATION

9:35 am WELCOMING CEREMONIES

9:55 am CELEBRATION OF FREEDOM: VETERANS RECOGNIZED
Dwight Sayer, President, National Association of 
Blind Veterans, National Federation of the Blind; Winter Gardens, Florida

10:05 am        A DEFENSE DEPARTMENT PRIORITY FOR BLIND WOUNDED WARRIORS
Colonel Donald Gagliano, M.D., Executive 
Director, Department of Defense/Department of 
Veterans Affairs Vision Center of Excellence; Washington, D.C.

10:20 am        ROLL CALL OF STATES AND APPOINTMENT OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE

11:45 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS

12:00 pm        ADJOURN



12:00 noon 12:30 pm and 1:30 - 2:00 
pm—REGISTRATION ($20); FINAL BANQUET TICKET SALES 
($45)—Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby

12:00 noon - 1:45 pm—INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND 
SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION—Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby


   TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued

12:00 noon 1:45 pm—EXHIBITS—Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level

12:15 - 1:45 pm—LOUISIANA CENTER FOR THE BLIND 
ALUMNI LUNCHEON; Pam Allen, Director
Peacock Terrace, West Wing



GENERAL SESSION

2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER

2:05 pm PRESIDENTIAL REPORT, Marc Maurer

3:00 pm THE FEDERATION IN THE WORLD FROM THE 
PERSPECTIVE OF THE BLIND CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER AND SENATOR IN THAILAND
      Monthian Buntan, Senator; Bangkok, Thailand

3:20 pm THE BLIND DRIVER OPERATING A VEHICLE AT 
SPEED: CREATING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT PUTS THE CONTROLS UNDER OUR HANDS
Parnell Diggs, Esq., Coordinator, Race for 
Independence; President, National Federation of 
the Blind of South Carolina; Garden City, South Carolina

3:35 pm SWEP AND THE BARS OF OUR PRISON
Scott LaBarre, Esq., LaBarre Law Offices; 
President, National Federation of the Blind of Colorado; Denver, Colorado

3:50 pm THE XAVIER SOCIETY FOR THE BLIND: SERVING THE BLIND SINCE 1900
Father John R. Sheehan, S.J., Chairman, Board of 
Directors, Xavier Society for the Blind; New York, New York

4:05 pm ONE MILLION BOOKS FOR THE PRINT DISABLED AND MORE TO COME
Brewster Kahle, Digital Librarian; San Francisco, California



   TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued

4:20 pm NOT JUST SURVIVING THE DISASTER OF 
SEPTEMBER 11 BUT PROVIDING LEADERSHIP IN A DEADLY EMERGENCY
Michael Hingson, President, Michael Hingson Group; Novato, California

4:35 pm REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS

5:00 pm ADJOURN



5:30 - 6:30 pm—NOMINATING COMMITTEE
De La Salle Room, West Wing

5:30 - 6:30 pm—NFB-LINK, OUR ONLINE MENTORING PROGRAM
Affiliate Action Suite 2372
Come help us honor the over 250 mentors that are 
a part of NFB-LINK and learn how you can become a 
mentor, too. NFB-LINK is our online mentoring 
program, and by becoming a mentor, you will see 
how a little time on the computer can make a huge 
difference. Current and future mentors, please attend!

6:00 pm—NFB OF TEXAS BARBEQUE AND LIVE MUSIC
Anatole Park
Enjoy eating a delicious Texas-style barbeque 
with all of the trimmings while listening to the 
music of singer/songwriter/guitarist Brian Burns, 
with friends Tommy Alverson and Davin James.

6:00 - 8:00 pm—AMERICAN FOUNDATION FOR THE BLIND 
INTRODUCES AccessWorld  EVERY MONTH AND NEW ONLINE COMMUNITY RESOURCES
Peacock Terrace, West Wing
You are invited to our informational reception. 
Announcing AFB AccessWorld, every month—more 
authors, more information, more often. 
CareerConnect, FamilyConnect, and SeniorSite 
offer newly-expanded opportunities. Network with 
families, seniors, and successful mentors. We look forward to meeting you.





   TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued

6:00 - 9:00 pm—DEAFBLIND DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING & ELECTIONS
Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
    6:00 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Meeting begins
Burnell Brown, President

6:30 - 8:00 pm—MUSIC TECH WORKSHOP
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Conducted by Cameron Strife; presented by the NFB Performing Arts Division

6:30 - 9:00 pm—COLORADO CENTER FOR THE BLIND OPEN HOUSE
Topaz Room, Tower lobby
Discover how good training can change your life. Julie Deden, Director

7:00 - 8:00 pm—ASTRONOMY AT YOUR FINGERTIPS (Ages 6-14)
Morocco Room, Tower mezzanine
Fun-filled astronomy-related activities in an 
out-of-this-world workshop!  Instructor: Noreen Grice

7:00 - 8:30 pm—BOOKSHARE AT NFB MEMBER PARTY
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Enjoy snacks and refreshments while meeting the 
Bookshare staff. This is your opportunity to talk 
with us and share your ideas; we’re here to 
listen.  Plan to have fun with contests, 
drawings, and interacting with your fellow 
members.  We look forward to seeing you.

7:00 - 8:30 pm—NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
         IEP Workshop for Beginners
         Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
         Focusing on evaluations, goals, strategies, and the law.
         Instructor: Carlton Walker

         Getting to Yes
         Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
         Getting the team to work together so that it benefits your child.
         Instructor: Dan Frye

         Tactile Maps and the Development of Spatial Awareness
         Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
         Exploring ways to promote the development of spatial awareness.
         Instructor: Debbie Kent Stein
   TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued

7:00 - 9:00 pm—NFB KRAFTERS DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING
Fleur-de-lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
Unveiling new craft initiatives, including 
discussion on classes available via telephone 
conference and information on our Monday night 
nationwide chats. We are seeking teachers and students for crafting classes.
Joyce Kane, President

7:00 - 9:00 pm—LEGISLATIVE STRATEGIES SEMINAR: 
MOVING LEGISLATION ON THE STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Each affiliate should send one representative. 
Learn the best methods of increasing support for 
our legislative priorities.  Changing lives 
through laws is our business. Led by Jesse 
Hartle, Lauren McLarney, and Ronza Othman

7:00 - 10:00 pm—A SPECIAL EVENING FOR SPONSOR-LEVEL EXHIBITORS
Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, Third Level
The exhibit hall reopens for an evening dedicated 
solely to sponsor-level exhibitors. Come and 
bring a guest to say “thank you” to our sponsors and to
enjoy their interesting offers and 
demonstrations. Our convention sponsors are: 
Title: Deque Systems, Inc.; Platinum: HumanWare 
and UPS; Gold: Freedom Scientific and Oracle; 
Silver: Adobe; Bronze: National Industries for 
the Blind (NIB); and Exhibit Hall: En-Vision 
America, GW Micro, Inc., Independence Science, 
LLC, Independent Living Aids (ILA), Intel 
Corporation, Olympus, Recording for the Blind & 
Dyslexic (RFB&D), Sendero Group, and Vanda Pharmaceuticals, Inc.

7:00 - 10:00 pm—THE BEST THROWBACK PARTY AND 
DANCE EVER!   NFB YOUTH TRACK (Ages 14-18)
Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
Choose your favorite decade and come dressed in 
your best digs.  Compete in hula hoop contests, 
learn the “YMCA,” or show us your best moon walk 
while dressed as the late Michael Jackson in the 
80’s.  Prizes will be given to the best-dressed 
or most creative throwback participants.

8:00 - 9:00 pm—BEP: U.S. CURRENCY IDENTIFICATION 
FOCUS GROUP Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Representatives of the U.S. Dept. of the 
Treasury’s Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) 
and the Office of Product Development provide an 
update on BEP’s progress to provide blind 
individuals with access to U.S. currency and 
discuss concepts it is currently testing. 
(Session Two: Wednesday at 7:00 pm.)
   TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued

8:00 - 9:00 pm—PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION SEMINAR
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
A seminar on division development; discuss the 
future of the Performing Arts Division and ways 
to make it even better.  Conducted by division 
board member, Jordy Stringer.  Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President

8:30 - 9:30 pm—HOW TO HOLD A VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVE IN SIX EASY STEPS
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
Learn how to plan and host a voter registration 
drive that will attract new members to your 
chapter and serve your local community. 
Coordinator: Lou Ann Blake, NFB Jernigan Institute

8:30 - 10:00 pm—NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS

         IEP Workshop for Veteran Parents
         Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
         Instructor: Carlton Walker

         Testing and Accommodations
         Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
         Instructors: Barbara Mathews and a representative of the College Board

         Adapting and Creating Useable Materials for Students
         Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
         Instructor: Pat Renfranz













   WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, 2010

8:00 - 8:45 am—DEVOTIONS
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby

8:15 8:45 am—REGISTRATION ($20)—Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby



         GENERAL SESSION

9:00 am INVOCATION

9:05 am ELECTIONS

9:50 am THE APEX AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AT HUMANWARE
Gilles Pepin, Chief Executive Officer, HumanWare; Drummondville, Canada

10:10 am        THE FAILURE OF THE EDUCATIONAL 
SYSTEM IN MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE BLIND

MARK RICCOBONO, Moderator; Executive Director, 
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute; Baltimore, Maryland

SHEILA AMATO, Ed.D., University Teacher Trainer; Massapequa Park, New York

NOREEN GRICE, Founder and President of You Can Do 
Astronomy, LLC; New Britain, Connecticut

LAURA WEBBER, Secretary, National Organization of 
Parents of Blind Children; Houston, Texas

ERIC VASILIAUSKAS, M.D., parent and advocate; Los Angeles, California

11:10 am        ASSURING INTERNET ACCESSIBILITY
Preety Kumar, Chief Executive Officer, Deque Systems, Inc.; Reston, Virginia


   WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued

11:30 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS

12:00 pm        ADJOURN



12:00 noon 12:30 pm and 1:30 - 2:00 pm—REGISTRATION ($20)
Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby

12:00 noon - 1:45 pm—INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND 
SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION (Final time period to be 
open)—Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby

12:00 noon 1:45 pm—EXHIBITS—Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level



         GENERAL SESSION

2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER

2:05 pm FINANCIAL REPORT

3:05 pm STRATEGIC INITIATIVES REPORT
John Paré, Executive Director for Strategic 
Initiatives, National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland

Jesse Hartle, Governmental Affairs Specialist, 
National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland

Lauren McLarney, Governmental Affairs Specialist, 
National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland

3:35 pm REPORTS, RESOLUTIONS, AND OTHER BUSINESS

5:00 pm ADJOURN




   WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued

7:00 - 8:00 pm—BEP: U.S. CURRENCY IDENTIFICATION 
FOCUS GROUP Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Representatives of the U.S. Dept. of the 
Treasury’s Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) 
and the Office of Product Development provide an 
update on BEP’s progress to provide blind 
individuals with access to U.S. currency and 
discuss concepts it is currently testing.

7:00 - 8:15 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel

7:00 - 8:30 pm—NFB IMAGINATION FUND GRANT-WRITING SEMINAR
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
Each affiliate should send at least one 
representative to this seminar. Learn to plan, 
write, and submit a strong grant application; 
discover key points and strategies about how to 
identify appropriate funders and submit a winning 
proposal.  Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute

7:00 - 9:00 pm—WHAT’S NEW WITH NFB-NEWSLINE®
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Learn about the NFB’s free audible newspaper 
service for the blind and visually 
impaired.  Topics cover Podable News, the new 
voices, the new on-demand article request 
feature, and more.  Sign up for NFB-NEWSLINE® at its exhibit hall table.

7:00 9:00 pm—“SOCIAL SECURITY AND SUPPLEMENTAL 
SECURITY INCOME: WHAT APPLICANTS, ADVOCATES, AND 
RECIPIENTS SHOULD KNOW” SEMINAR
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
Topics: Social Security and SSI benefits, 
including eligibility criteria, the application 
process, reporting obligations, and appeals 
process.  Also get information on the Medicare 
prescription drug benefit income subsidy program.
Presenter: Ronza Othman





   WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued

7:00 10:00 pm—EXHIBITS—Khmer Pavilion, Atrium third level

7:00 - 11:00 pm—TENTH ANNUAL SHOWCASE OF TALENT—Fee: $5.00
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
Register early by contacting Performing Arts 
Division leaders at the convention by Tuesday. 
Proceeds benefit the division’s scholarship 
program and other programs. Sponsored by the 
Performing Arts Division; Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President

7:00 - 11:00 pm—NON 24-HOUR SLEEP WAKE DISORDER SEMINAR
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Circadian rhythm sleep disorders in totally blind 
people. Total loss of light perception prevents 
synchronization of circadian body clock rhythms 
to the 24-hour day, leading to cyclic insomnia 
and daytime napping. The causes of this sleep 
disorder and possible treatment options will be presented and discussed.

7:30 - 9:00 pm—INTRODUCTION TO ORACLE SIEBEL CALL CENTER
Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
Don Mauck, Accessibility Evangelist at Oracle, 
will demonstrate the accessibility features built 
into the Oracle Siebel Call Center. Oracle CRM 
products are used by more than 4,000 enterprises 
and more than 4.6 million business users; these 
enterprises represent potential employment opportunities for the blind.

8:00 - 9:00 pm—FRIENDS OF RECOVERY MEETING
Library Room, Tower mezzanine
All convention delegates involved in or 
interested in twelve-step recovery programs are 
invited to attend.  Gary Ray, Coordinator

8:00 - 10:00 pm—COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOBILE AND 
PEDESTRIAN SAFETY (CAPS); Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine

8:00 - 10:00 pm—COMMITTEE ON RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT
Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
For the most part, technological developments 
tend to exclude blind people.  Developers must 
change the ways future technologies are 
designed.  Join us—perhaps you can suggest a 
technology or approach that nobody else has 
considered.  Curtis Chong, Chairperson


   WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued

8:00 - 11:30 pm—MONTE CARLO NIGHT
Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
Try your luck at any of the usual card games found on a casino floor.
Sponsored by the National Association of Blind Students

8:30 - 9:45 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel






























   THURSDAY, JULY 8, 2010

8:00 - 8:45 am—DEVOTIONS
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby

8:15 8:45 am—REGISTRATION ($20)—Final opportunity to register.
Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby



GENERAL SESSION
9:00 am INVOCATION

9:05 am BUYING AND SELLING ONLINE: EBAY BUILDS 
ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE BLIND INTO ITS PLATFORM
Dane Glasgow, Vice President, Buyer Experience 
Product Management, Ebay, Inc.; San Jose, California

9:20 am BRAILLE IS LITERACY
Deane Blazie, Inventor; Hobe Sound, Florida

9:35 am EIGHTY-FOUR LANGUAGES AND GROWING
Frank Kurt Cylke, Director, National Library 
Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, 
Library of Congress; Washington, D.C.

David Fernandez-Barrial, Foreign Language 
Librarian, National Library Service for the Blind 
and Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress; Washington, D.C.

9:55 am QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION

10:00 am        EDUCATING BLIND CHILDREN: CHANGING THE PARADIGM
Fredric K. Schroeder, Ph.D.; Research Professor; 
San Diego State University; Vienna, Virginia

10:20 am        TOWARD FULL EMPLOYMENT FOR BLIND AMERICANS
Lynnae Ruttledge, Commissioner, Rehabilitation 
Services Administration, United States Department 
of Education; Washington, D.C.



   THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued

10:35 am        ACCESSIBLE EDUCATION FOR ALL, 
INCLUDING THE BLIND: MEETING THE STANDARD
Jessica Finnefrock, Senior Vice President, 
Product Development, Blackboard; Washington, D.C.

10:50 am        ACCESSIBLE DESIGN, A MODEL FOR THE FUTURE
Steve Eastman, President, Target.com; Minneapolis, Minnesota

11:05 am        LOCATION-BASED SERVICES USING BUS 
STOP AND GEOCODED MEDIA CONTENT
Mike May, Chief Executive Officer, Sendero Group; Davis, California

11:20 am        BLIND CAR BUILDER? WE’RE HERE TO TELL YOU!
Marcus Simmons, Chief Executive Officer, Simmons 
BOSS CREATIONS; Southfield, Michigan

11:35 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS

12:00 pm        ADJOURN



12:00 noon - 1:45 pm—HAM RADIO GROUP BUSINESS MEETING
Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
D. Curtis Willoughby (ka0vba), Chairperson

12:00 noon - 1:45 pm—RAFFLES AND DRAWINGS
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby

12:15 - 1:45 pm—EVERYTHING YOU'VE EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NLS
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
A question-and-answer session with Frank Kurt Cylke, Director, and staff of the
National Library Service for the Blind and 
Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress.




   THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued



         GENERAL SESSION

2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER

2:05 pm COPYRIGHT AND THE RIGHT TO READ
Marybeth Peters, Esq., Register of Copyrights, 
Library of Congress, Copyright Office; Washington, D.C.

2:20 pm THE FUTURE OF BOOKS AND BEYOND
Ray Kurzweil, President and Chief Executive 
Officer, K-NFB Reading Technology, Inc.; Wellesley Hills, Massachusetts

2:40 pm CALLING ALL DRIVERS: ADVANCING 
LEADERSHIP, COLLECTIVE ACTION, AND THE BOUNDARIES OF INDEPENDENCE
Mark Riccobono, Executive Director, National 
Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute; Baltimore, Maryland

3:00 pm THE INTERFACE THAT TOUCHES THE MIND: 
ADVANCING BEYOND AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES
Dennis Hong, Ph.D., Director, Robotics and 
Mechanisms Laboratory, Virginia Polytechnic Institute; Blacksburg, Virginia

3:15 pm A PRACTICING BLIND PHYSICIAN
Timothy Cordes M.D./Ph.D., Resident in 
Psychiatry, University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics; Madison, Wisconsin

3:30 pm DR. JACOB BOLOTIN AWARD
Gary Wunder, Chairperson, Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award 
Committee, and Secretary, National Federation of the Blind; Columbia, Missouri

4:10 pm DISABILITY POLICY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE
Kareem Dale, Special Assistant to the President 
on Disability Policy; Washington, D.C.

4:25 pm REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS


   THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued

5:00 pm ADJOURN



7:00 pm—BANQUET
Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby
INVOCATION
MASTER OF CEREMONIES:  Fredric K. Schroeder
INTRODUCTIONS AND PRESENTATIONS
BANQUET ADDRESS: Marc Maurer
SCHOLARSHIP AWARDS

11:00 pm—SCIENCE FICTION MEETING
All persons interested in science fiction and 
fantasy are welcome to join in an open 
discussion.  Please contact Ed Meskys for room location.


  Thank You...

         The National Federation of the Blind 
acknowledges with gratitude our Title, Platinum, 
Gold, Silver, Bronze, and Exhibit Hall Convention 
Sponsors below. Their messages follow.

Title Sponsor:
Deque Systems, Inc.

Platinum Sponsors:
HumanWare
UPS

Gold Sponsors:
Freedom Scientific
Oracle

Silver Sponsor:
Adobe

Bronze Sponsor:
National Industries for the Blind (NIB)

Exhibit Hall Sponsors:
En-Vision America
GW Micro, Inc.
Independence Science, LLC
Independent Living Aids (ILA)
Intel Corporation
Olympus
Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic (RFB&D)
Sendero Group
Vanda Pharmaceuticals, Inc.



                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
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From rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net  Sat May  1 04:20:05 2010
From: rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net ( Rob Tabor)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:20:05 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
References: <09189708FA5D4854B1A5625B8DFFE44F@14bd0130080a469>
	<880414F1285B4040A9E05ACE331D84EA@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <F119D99C1EE04D1BAF4CA0B1E1D6EE56@Rob>

Good evening Tom and list.
Perhaps the law school testing agencies need to be instructed on the recent 
court case against the Cal state board of bar examiners. If they are smart, 
they will read the hand writing on the wall.
best regards
Rob Tabor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" 
<blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.  I 
> have heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to 
> state exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely 
> not get it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing 
> and what might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have 
> suggested that I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to 
> double time, more breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games. 
> This may cause the need to appeal, but may get things that should be 
> available to everybody.  It doesn't seem right that every blind person 
> trying to take the test should go through these same hoops, over and over 
> again.  It also doesn't seem like a level playing field when blind people 
> need to take the test in a manner that introduces an additional 
> distraction and more stress.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> In response to Tom-
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer 
>> sheet
>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
>> properly.
>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in the 
>> form
>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for reading 
>> the
>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example, I 
>> was
>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra 
>> breaks
>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by the
>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach, you
>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My reader
>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>
>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel 
>> free
>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cathryn
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From tom at tomladis.com  Sat May  1 15:28:48 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:28:48 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
References: <09189708FA5D4854B1A5625B8DFFE44F@14bd0130080a469><880414F1285B4040A9E05ACE331D84EA@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<F119D99C1EE04D1BAF4CA0B1E1D6EE56@Rob>
Message-ID: <823160CD9315460B96A44BE69BFD9183@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Hello all.  Yes, they have been in trouble with accommodation issues and 
need to step into the twenty-first century.  Computers are cheap now and 
they should make the testing environment reflect current standard and 
adaptive technologies for everyone.

Tom .

----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Good evening Tom and list.
> Perhaps the law school testing agencies need to be instructed on the 
> recent court case against the Cal state board of bar examiners. If they 
> are smart, they will read the hand writing on the wall.
> best regards
> Rob Tabor
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" 
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.  I 
>> have heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to 
>> state exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely 
>> not get it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing 
>> and what might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have 
>> suggested that I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to 
>> double time, more breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games. 
>> This may cause the need to appeal, but may get things that should be 
>> available to everybody.  It doesn't seem right that every blind person 
>> trying to take the test should go through these same hoops, over and over 
>> again.  It also doesn't seem like a level playing field when blind people 
>> need to take the test in a manner that introduces an additional 
>> distraction and more stress.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>>
>>
>>> In response to Tom-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer 
>>> sheet
>>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
>>> properly.
>>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in the 
>>> form
>>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for reading 
>>> the
>>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example, I 
>>> was
>>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra 
>>> breaks
>>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by the
>>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach, 
>>> you
>>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My 
>>> reader
>>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>>
>>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel 
>>> free
>>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cathryn
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> blindlaw:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tom%40tomladis.com
>>>
>>
>>
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From tom at tomladis.com  Sat May  1 15:36:03 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:36:03 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
References: <2FC1DDB64A1D4DBF93216B2DCE35ECDF@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <A6CCD93D01F546128F25C193BF98F0AE@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Sure, but I would guess that most people would be able to utilize something 
more advanced and accessible than paper and pencil.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Hi Tom,
> While your concerns are valid, each test and each blind test taker are
> different and as I have stated time and again, the examiners do not read 
> our
> minds, so if you don't ask, they are not obligated to deliver. Test
> preparation is paramount when applying for law school.
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom Ladis
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:15 PM
> To: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net; NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.  I 
> have
>
> heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to state
> exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely not get
> it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing and what
> might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have suggested 
> that
>
> I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to double time, 
> more
> breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.  This may cause the 
> need
>
> to appeal, but may get things that should be available to everybody.  It
> doesn't seem right that every blind person trying to take the test should 
> go
>
> through these same hoops, over and over again.  It also doesn't seem like 
> a
> level playing field when blind people need to take the test in a manner 
> that
>
> introduces an additional distraction and more stress.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> In response to Tom-
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer
>> sheet
>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form
>> properly.
>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in the
>> form
>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for reading
>> the
>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example, I
>> was
>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra
>> breaks
>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by the
>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach, you
>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My reader
>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>
>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel
>> free
>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cathryn
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
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From va57 at law.georgetown.edu  Sat May  1 18:28:51 2010
From: va57 at law.georgetown.edu (Vikram Agarwal)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 14:28:51 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 LSAT
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I was able to request an electronic format, the use of Jaws or Kurzweil
and the use of Excel for the logic games.  I also was able to receive
extended time and extra breaks.  As others have noted, it is imperative
to begin the process of requesting accommodations well in advance to
ensure you receive everything you need before the exam.  You will still
need a scribe to input answers, however, I also used Excel to keep track
of my answers as I went.  I took the exam in 2007.  Feel free to contact
me off line to discuss further.

Vikram

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   1. Introduction (Jordan Richardson)
   2. Re: LSAT (Tom Ladis)
   3. Re: LSAT (John Ramsey)
   4. Re: LSAT ( Rob Tabor)
   5. Re: LSAT (Tom Ladis)
   6. Re: LSAT (Tom Ladis)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:46:50 -0500
From: Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Lawyers List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction
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Hello all,

My name is Jordan Richardson and I am currently a freshman at the
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities majoring in political science and
planning to minor in philosophy.

After my undergraduate degree I plan to attend law school specializing
in Constitutional law.  My plan is to practice law and then become a
judge.

I actually have some questions regarding blind judges:

What non-visual techniques would a blind judge use on the bench during
a trial? How would one deal with looking at evidence?  Would the
bailiff describe/read any pictures/texts, or would you simply have
each attorney be descriptive?

Thank you,
Jordan Richardson
2nd Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students

-- 
Jordan Richardson
2nd Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students
lilrichie411 at gmail.com
?It is very important to generate a good attitude, a good heart, as
much as possible. From this, happiness in both the short term and the
long term for both yourself and others will come.?
--Dalai Lama



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:15:03 -0500
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>,	"NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List"
	<blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.  I
have 
heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to
state 
exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely not
get 
it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing and
what 
might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have suggested
that 
I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to double time,
more 
breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.  This may cause the
need 
to appeal, but may get things that should be available to everybody.  It

doesn't seem right that every blind person trying to take the test
should go 
through these same hoops, over and over again.  It also doesn't seem
like a 
level playing field when blind people need to take the test in a manner
that 
introduces an additional distraction and more stress.



Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT


> In response to Tom-
>
>
>
> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer 
> sheet
> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
> properly.
> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the 
> form
> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading 
> the
> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example,
I 
> was
> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra 
> breaks
> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My
reader
> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>
> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel

> free
> to contact me off list if you wish.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cathryn
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:28:26 -0400
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Hi Tom,
While your concerns are valid, each test and each blind test taker are
different and as I have stated time and again, the examiners do not read
our
minds, so if you don't ask, they are not obligated to deliver. Test
preparation is paramount when applying for law school.
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

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On
Behalf Of Tom Ladis
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:15 PM
To: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net; NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.  I
have

heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to
state 
exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely not
get 
it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing and
what 
might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have suggested
that

I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to double time,
more 
breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.  This may cause the
need

to appeal, but may get things that should be available to everybody.  It

doesn't seem right that every blind person trying to take the test
should go

through these same hoops, over and over again.  It also doesn't seem
like a 
level playing field when blind people need to take the test in a manner
that

introduces an additional distraction and more stress.



Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT


> In response to Tom-
>
>
>
> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer
> sheet
> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
> properly.
> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the 
> form
> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading 
> the
> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example,
I 
> was
> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra 
> breaks
> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My
reader
> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>
> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel
> free
> to contact me off list if you wish.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cathryn
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:20:05 -0500
From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Good evening Tom and list.
Perhaps the law school testing agencies need to be instructed on the
recent 
court case against the Cal state board of bar examiners. If they are
smart, 
they will read the hand writing on the wall.
best regards
Rob Tabor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" 
<blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.
I 
> have heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC
to 
> state exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will
definitely 
> not get it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based
testing 
> and what might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have

> suggested that I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition
to 
> double time, more breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games. 
> This may cause the need to appeal, but may get things that should be 
> available to everybody.  It doesn't seem right that every blind person

> trying to take the test should go through these same hoops, over and
over 
> again.  It also doesn't seem like a level playing field when blind
people 
> need to take the test in a manner that introduces an additional 
> distraction and more stress.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> In response to Tom-
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer

>> sheet
>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
>> properly.
>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the 
>> form
>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading 
>> the
>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example,
I 
>> was
>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra 
>> breaks
>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My
reader
>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>
>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine.
Feel 
>> free
>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cathryn
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:28:48 -0500
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>,	"NFBnet Blind Law
Mailing
	List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Hello all.  Yes, they have been in trouble with accommodation issues and

need to step into the twenty-first century.  Computers are cheap now and

they should make the testing environment reflect current standard and 
adaptive technologies for everyone.

Tom .

----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Good evening Tom and list.
> Perhaps the law school testing agencies need to be instructed on the 
> recent court case against the Cal state board of bar examiners. If
they 
> are smart, they will read the hand writing on the wall.
> best regards
> Rob Tabor
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" 
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.
I 
>> have heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at
LSAC to 
>> state exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will
definitely 
>> not get it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based
testing 
>> and what might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people
have 
>> suggested that I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition
to 
>> double time, more breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.

>> This may cause the need to appeal, but may get things that should be 
>> available to everybody.  It doesn't seem right that every blind
person 
>> trying to take the test should go through these same hoops, over and
over 
>> again.  It also doesn't seem like a level playing field when blind
people 
>> need to take the test in a manner that introduces an additional 
>> distraction and more stress.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>>
>>
>>> In response to Tom-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The
answer 
>>> sheet
>>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form 
>>> properly.
>>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the 
>>> form
>>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading 
>>> the
>>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For
example, I 
>>> was
>>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra

>>> breaks
>>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
>>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their
approach, 
>>> you
>>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My 
>>> reader
>>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>>
>>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine.
Feel 
>>> free
>>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cathryn
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:36:03 -0500
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Sure, but I would guess that most people would be able to utilize
something 
more advanced and accessible than paper and pencil.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT


> Hi Tom,
> While your concerns are valid, each test and each blind test taker are
> different and as I have stated time and again, the examiners do not
read 
> our
> minds, so if you don't ask, they are not obligated to deliver. Test
> preparation is paramount when applying for law school.
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential
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> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual
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> in
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> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> Behalf Of Tom Ladis
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:15 PM
> To: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net; NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
> Thank you.  LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.
I 
> have
>
> heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to
state
> exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely not
get
> it.  They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing and
what
> might be appropriate for blind test takers.  Some people have
suggested 
> that
>
> I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to double time,

> more
> breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.  This may cause
the 
> need
>
> to appeal, but may get things that should be available to everybody.
It
> doesn't seem right that every blind person trying to take the test
should 
> go
>
> through these same hoops, over and over again.  It also doesn't seem
like 
> a
> level playing field when blind people need to take the test in a
manner 
> that
>
> introduces an additional distraction and more stress.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> In response to Tom-
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer
>> sheet
>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form
>> properly.
>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the
>> form
>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading
>> the
>> questions out loud.   Regulations were extremely rigid.  For example,
I
>> was
>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra
>> breaks
>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam.  My
reader
>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>
>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine.
Feel
>> free
>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cathryn
>>
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From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com  Sat May  1 23:47:20 2010
From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
Message-ID: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi everybody,
 
I've been thinking about 508 compliance and maybe something NFB could push at the state level. I love how pretty much any document has to be 508-compliant on federal web sites (and I'm guessing state as well. Anyone know?) This is nice when you're trying to view a PDF. Unfortunately, there's a lot of web sites 9Barbri is one of them) who scan their PDF's onto the web site which JAWS will tell you the document is empty. So, we print the document out so we can read it. Has anyone thought of some kind of legislation or working with various web sites that post PDF's by scanning them in to make them 508 compliant, but on the private level? (What I mean is get a private 508 compliant law.) 
 
I bring this up because as a federal worker, I've been e-mailed PDF's that have been scanned in and I've had to ask for the original Word document so I could read it. OF course, every PDF form they put up there is 508-compliant before it's released. (A couple of weeks ago, there was something that wasn't compliant--it was for internal office use. I was able to obtain the Word version and one of the supervisors sent the PDF to the tech folks and told them to make it 508 compliant. That was nice of her, but we can't always expect there to be the Word version still lying around or for folks to not scan the document into Adobe.)
 
Any thoughts?
 
Mike


      

From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Sun May  2 00:15:11 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:15:11 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>

I'm having a problem with the same thing. I am unable to access this file. RJ
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun May  2 01:08:55 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 20:08:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
In-Reply-To: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000150596741@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Things are moving in that direction, but we don't get there all at 
once.  We have Section 508, which applies to Federal sites, at least 
in theory.  Several states, including here in Minnesota, have passed 
legislation that extend 508 and/or WCAG 2.0 to the state 
level.  While the ADA was passed prior to the web as we know it, some 
entities would fall under it, as far as the web goes, in terms of 
access to programs and services.  The Justice Department seems to be 
making noise like they will officially extend the ADA to the web.

In MN we just saw a law passed that requires accessibility in terms 
of all public records.  So, step by step things are getting covered.

Dave

At 06:47 PM 5/1/2010, you wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I've been thinking about 508 compliance and maybe something NFB 
>could push at the state level. I love how pretty much any document 
>has to be 508-compliant on federal web sites (and I'm guessing state 
>as well. Anyone know?) This is nice when you're trying to view a 
>PDF. Unfortunately, there's a lot of web sites 9Barbri is one of 
>them) who scan their PDF's onto the web site which JAWS will tell 
>you the document is empty. So, we print the document out so we can 
>read it. Has anyone thought of some kind of legislation or working 
>with various web sites that post PDF's by scanning them in to make 
>them 508 compliant, but on the private level? (What I mean is get a 
>private 508 compliant law.)
>
>I bring this up because as a federal worker, I've been e-mailed 
>PDF's that have been scanned in and I've had to ask for the original 
>Word document so I could read it. OF course, every PDF form they put 
>up there is 508-compliant before it's released. (A couple of weeks 
>ago, there was something that wasn't compliant--it was for internal 
>office use. I was able to obtain the Word version and one of the 
>supervisors sent the PDF to the tech folks and told them to make it 
>508 compliant. That was nice of her, but we can't always expect 
>there to be the Word version still lying around or for folks to not 
>scan the document into Adobe.)
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Mike



From tom at tomladis.com  Sun May  2 01:43:21 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:43:21 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
Message-ID: <2FDADB9B381844B1A38F2AF9A17B9A14@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

        Hello.  I used OpenBook to OCR the file and saved it as a Word file 
for you.  Maybe the process could be automated, somehow.  I'll have to give 
it some thought.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
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> I'm having a problem with the same thing. I am unable to access this file. 
> RJ


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From darlene.olsen at gmail.com  Sun May  2 01:55:40 2010
From: darlene.olsen at gmail.com (Darlene Olsen)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 18:55:40 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
Message-ID: <7425F4B439CD44A8ADEEE587EEDF3A43@DarleneOlsen>

Hi RJ,

   I am slightly confused, I opened the attached file and JAWS read it fine.
Thank You for the valuable information.
Respectfully,
Darlene Olsen

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To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
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> I'm having a problem with the same thing. I am unable to access this file. 
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  2 03:28:05 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:28:05 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
In-Reply-To: <7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
Message-ID: <E627FB3CBD5243F28C32994953AA07C8@spike>

The file was scanned in to a PDF document. When I ran it through Kurzweil it 
was read properly. If you need it I can send it back to you saved as a Word 
file.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?


> I'm having a problem with the same thing. I am unable to access this file. 
> RJ


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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  2 03:30:16 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:30:16 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
In-Reply-To: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <27042B34739E4849AA8A924A0CB9E5B6@spike>

To a certain extent depending on the quality of the scan they can be made 
accessible if you are using Kurzweil or Open Book software. However, any 
attempt to require the accessibility of documents is worth a try.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Gilmore" <m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:47 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?


Hi everybody,

I've been thinking about 508 compliance and maybe something NFB could push 
at the state level. I love how pretty much any document has to be 
508-compliant on federal web sites (and I'm guessing state as well. Anyone 
know?) This is nice when you're trying to view a PDF. Unfortunately, there's 
a lot of web sites 9Barbri is one of them) who scan their PDF's onto the web 
site which JAWS will tell you the document is empty. So, we print the 
document out so we can read it. Has anyone thought of some kind of 
legislation or working with various web sites that post PDF's by scanning 
them in to make them 508 compliant, but on the private level? (What I mean 
is get a private 508 compliant law.)

I bring this up because as a federal worker, I've been e-mailed PDF's that 
have been scanned in and I've had to ask for the original Word document so I 
could read it. OF course, every PDF form they put up there is 508-compliant 
before it's released. (A couple of weeks ago, there was something that 
wasn't compliant--it was for internal office use. I was able to obtain the 
Word version and one of the supervisors sent the PDF to the tech folks and 
told them to make it 508 compliant. That was nice of her, but we can't 
always expect there to be the Word version still lying around or for folks 
to not scan the document into Adobe.)

Any thoughts?

Mike



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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Sun May  2 03:48:57 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 23:48:57 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
	<2FDADB9B381844B1A38F2AF9A17B9A14@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <E06BD0BC42CB4BC7853281B6A7BBCD7D@hometwxakonvzn>

Thank you.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?


>        Hello.  I used OpenBook to OCR the file and saved it as a Word file
> for you.  Maybe the process could be automated, somehow.  I'll have to 
> give
> it some thought.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
>
>
>> I'm having a problem with the same thing. I am unable to access this 
>> file.
>> RJ
>
>
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>
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From joramsey at cox.net  Sun May  2 12:12:25 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 08:12:25 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000150596741@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <5FB3E0CD817849BF94D32C8940EDC868@noneeb869fea9a>

Hi Dave,
What is the cite for the section 508 you are talking about?
Thanks,
John

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:09 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?


Things are moving in that direction, but we don't get there all at 
once.  We have Section 508, which applies to Federal sites, at least 
in theory.  Several states, including here in Minnesota, have passed 
legislation that extend 508 and/or WCAG 2.0 to the state 
level.  While the ADA was passed prior to the web as we know it, some 
entities would fall under it, as far as the web goes, in terms of 
access to programs and services.  The Justice Department seems to be 
making noise like they will officially extend the ADA to the web.

In MN we just saw a law passed that requires accessibility in terms 
of all public records.  So, step by step things are getting covered.

Dave

At 06:47 PM 5/1/2010, you wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I've been thinking about 508 compliance and maybe something NFB
>could push at the state level. I love how pretty much any document 
>has to be 508-compliant on federal web sites (and I'm guessing state 
>as well. Anyone know?) This is nice when you're trying to view a 
>PDF. Unfortunately, there's a lot of web sites 9Barbri is one of 
>them) who scan their PDF's onto the web site which JAWS will tell 
>you the document is empty. So, we print the document out so we can 
>read it. Has anyone thought of some kind of legislation or working 
>with various web sites that post PDF's by scanning them in to make 
>them 508 compliant, but on the private level? (What I mean is get a 
>private 508 compliant law.)
>
>I bring this up because as a federal worker, I've been e-mailed
>PDF's that have been scanned in and I've had to ask for the original 
>Word document so I could read it. OF course, every PDF form they put 
>up there is 508-compliant before it's released. (A couple of weeks 
>ago, there was something that wasn't compliant--it was for internal 
>office use. I was able to obtain the Word version and one of the 
>supervisors sent the PDF to the tech folks and told them to make it 
>508 compliant. That was nice of her, but we can't always expect 
>there to be the Word version still lying around or for folks to not 
>scan the document into Adobe.)
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Mike


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From tom at tomladis.com  Sun May  2 14:19:23 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:19:23 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
References: <797028.44550.qm@web112412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><7BCFF65A3A9F43B286E48EC0CD0FB7BD@hometwxakonvzn>
	<7425F4B439CD44A8ADEEE587EEDF3A43@DarleneOlsen>
Message-ID: <9AA460E364E444ACBF9FD859BBD10DB1@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Hi Darlene,

I apologize.  I may have caused the confusion.  I converted the file and 
sent it back in my earlier response.  I probably should have asked if that 
was useful within the scope of the conversation before trying to be helpful. 
If you want to look at the initial file, I believe you can get it from the 
initial post.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darlene Olsen" <darlene.olsen at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?


> Hi RJ,
>
>   I am slightly confused, I opened the attached file and JAWS read it 
> fine.
> Thank You for the valuable information.
> Respectfully,
> Darlene Olsen
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 5:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
>
>
>> I'm having a problem with the same thing. I am unable to access this 
>> file. RJ
>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun May  2 23:29:18 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 18:29:18 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
In-Reply-To: <5FB3E0CD817849BF94D32C8940EDC868@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <auto-000150596741@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<5FB3E0CD817849BF94D32C8940EDC868@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <auto-000150651489@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Section 508 is actually "Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act of 
1973, as amended."  You can go to

http://www.section508.gov

to get started.

Dave

At 07:12 AM 5/2/2010, you wrote:
>Hi Dave,
>What is the cite for the section 508 you are talking about?
>Thanks,
>John
>
>John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
>P.O. Box 6063
>
>Gainesville, FL 32627
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of David Andrews
>Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:09 PM
>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 508 compliance clone?
>
>
>Things are moving in that direction, but we don't get there all at
>once.  We have Section 508, which applies to Federal sites, at least
>in theory.  Several states, including here in Minnesota, have passed
>legislation that extend 508 and/or WCAG 2.0 to the state
>level.  While the ADA was passed prior to the web as we know it, some
>entities would fall under it, as far as the web goes, in terms of
>access to programs and services.  The Justice Department seems to be
>making noise like they will officially extend the ADA to the web.
>
>In MN we just saw a law passed that requires accessibility in terms
>of all public records.  So, step by step things are getting covered.
>
>Dave
>
>At 06:47 PM 5/1/2010, you wrote:
> >Hi everybody,
> >
> >I've been thinking about 508 compliance and maybe something NFB
> >could push at the state level. I love how pretty much any document
> >has to be 508-compliant on federal web sites (and I'm guessing state
> >as well. Anyone know?) This is nice when you're trying to view a
> >PDF. Unfortunately, there's a lot of web sites 9Barbri is one of
> >them) who scan their PDF's onto the web site which JAWS will tell
> >you the document is empty. So, we print the document out so we can
> >read it. Has anyone thought of some kind of legislation or working
> >with various web sites that post PDF's by scanning them in to make
> >them 508 compliant, but on the private level? (What I mean is get a
> >private 508 compliant law.)
> >
> >I bring this up because as a federal worker, I've been e-mailed
> >PDF's that have been scanned in and I've had to ask for the original
> >Word document so I could read it. OF course, every PDF form they put
> >up there is 508-compliant before it's released. (A couple of weeks
> >ago, there was something that wasn't compliant--it was for internal
> >office use. I was able to obtain the Word version and one of the
> >supervisors sent the PDF to the tech folks and told them to make it
> >508 compliant. That was nice of her, but we can't always expect
> >there to be the Word version still lying around or for folks to not
> >scan the document into Adobe.)
> >
> >Any thoughts?
> >
> >Mike



From APrevost at Sidley.com  Mon May  3 13:33:51 2010
From: APrevost at Sidley.com (Prevost, Ann Marie)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:33:51 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question
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If an organization wanted to give out tickets for theater performances
to visually impaired children at a discounted price, would there be some
sort of legal reason why the organization could not ask for some proof
of status such as an IEP or registration with the Commission for the
Blind? 


Ann Marie Prevost
Sidley Austin LLP
787 Seventh Avenue
New York, New York 10019
aprevost at sidley.com
212-839-5408 



 
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Mon May  3 15:50:01 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:50:01 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question
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No reason at all.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
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Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question


> If an organization wanted to give out tickets for theater performances
> to visually impaired children at a discounted price, would there be some
> sort of legal reason why the organization could not ask for some proof
> of status such as an IEP or registration with the Commission for the
> Blind?
>
>
> Ann Marie Prevost
> Sidley Austin LLP
> 787 Seventh Avenue
> New York, New York 10019
> aprevost at sidley.com
> 212-839-5408
>
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> regulations, we inform you
> that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice 
> contained in this
> communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be 
> used, and cannot be
> used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may 
> be imposed on such
> taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax 
> advice is used or referred
> to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any 
> partnership or other entity,
> investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as 
> written in connection
> with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or 
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From APrevost at Sidley.com  Mon May  3 16:36:02 2010
From: APrevost at Sidley.com (Prevost, Ann Marie)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:36:02 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question
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Thank you!

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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question

No reason at all.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
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Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question


> If an organization wanted to give out tickets for theater performances
> to visually impaired children at a discounted price, would there be some
> sort of legal reason why the organization could not ask for some proof
> of status such as an IEP or registration with the Commission for the
> Blind?
>
>
> Ann Marie Prevost
> Sidley Austin LLP
> 787 Seventh Avenue
> New York, New York 10019
> aprevost at sidley.com
> 212-839-5408
>
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> regulations, we inform you
> that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice 
> contained in this
> communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be 
> used, and cannot be
> used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may 
> be imposed on such
> taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax 
> advice is used or referred
> to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any 
> partnership or other entity,
> investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as 
> written in connection
> with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or 
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From johnrsheehan at yahoo.com  Mon May  3 17:03:20 2010
From: johnrsheehan at yahoo.com (John Sheehan)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:03:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question
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We provide our services for free to people who establish the need - blindness or low vision, or some other situation that makes it impossible for them to deal with traditional print. The gift or service in the question you ask is restricted - it is reasonable to ascertain that the qualification to receive the gift is met. 

 
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Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 9:33:51 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question

If an organization wanted to give out tickets for theater performances
to visually impaired children at a discounted price, would there be some
sort of legal reason why the organization could not ask for some proof
of status such as an IEP or registration with the Commission for the
Blind? 


Ann Marie Prevost
Sidley Austin LLP
787 Seventh Avenue
New York, New York 10019
aprevost at sidley.com
212-839-5408 




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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  4 09:02:32 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 02:02:32 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question
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This type of criteria or similar is done all the time by nonprofit 
organizations with various populations. The recipient of the ticket or in 
this the child's guardian has the choice to provide the information as a 
condition of receiving the ticket.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
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To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 6:33 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Theoretical Question


> If an organization wanted to give out tickets for theater performances
> to visually impaired children at a discounted price, would there be some
> sort of legal reason why the organization could not ask for some proof
> of status such as an IEP or registration with the Commission for the
> Blind?
>
>
> Ann Marie Prevost
> Sidley Austin LLP
> 787 Seventh Avenue
> New York, New York 10019
> aprevost at sidley.com
> 212-839-5408
>
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> regulations, we inform you
> that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any U.S. federal tax advice 
> contained in this
> communication, including attachments, was not intended or written to be 
> used, and cannot be
> used, by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding any penalties that may 
> be imposed on such
> taxpayer by the Internal Revenue Service. In addition, if any such tax 
> advice is used or referred
> to by other parties in promoting, marketing or recommending any 
> partnership or other entity,
> investment plan or arrangement, then (i) the advice should be construed as 
> written in connection
> with the promotion or marketing by others of the transaction(s) or 
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue May  4 16:48:56 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 11:48:56 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Disability Diversity in the Legal Profession: A Pledge
 for Change, WSBA Bar News, March 2010
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Link:
http://www.wsba.org/media/publications/barnews/mar10-diversity.htm

Text:
Disability Diversity in the Legal Profession: A Pledge for Change
by Emily Cooper Pura

January 18, 2010, marked the 27th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr. Day celebrations in this county. It was President Ronald Reagan who signed the holiday into law in 1983 to honor Dr. King for his nonviolent activism in the civil rights movement.

One of Dr. King's most powerful statements was, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." This is a principle that attorneys can identify with as we seek to promote all that is good and lasting in the justice system. That is why the ABA's most recent efforts to contribute to diversity efforts in the practice of law is so profound: it affects every one of us and the judicial system, even if we do not individually identify as having a disability.

In 2009, the ABA hosted the Second National Conference on the Employment of Lawyers with Disabilities. Out of this groundbreaking conference also came "A Report from the American Bar Association to the Legal Profession."

This report has far-reaching diversity implications affecting retention efforts of attorneys with disabilities practicing law, as well as employers and even law students with disabilities. The report includes information on the following topics:

* The status of lawyers and law students with disabilities, including statistics and surveys, and why we need lawyers with disabilities in the profession
* How to make the transition from law school to the workplace with a disability
* How and why you should recruit, hire, retain, and promote lawyers with disabilities
* Practical tips on how to make your place of employment both welcoming and legally compliant for those with disabilities
* Personal stories and anecdotes from lawyers with disabilities, including the first blind U.S. Supreme Court clerk, an associate general counsel, and an official from President Obama's White House staff

Another pivotal issue that came out of the conference and the subsequent report was the Pledge for Change. One of the primary purposes of the Conference was to encourage legal employers, including law firms and corporate counsels, to sign the "Disability Diversity in the Legal Profession: A Pledge for Change" (Pledge), in order to support disability diversity in the legal profession. In furthering its commitment to disability diversity in the legal profession, the ABA Commission is currently promoting the Pledge, a one-page commitment statement for legal employers to sign. The Pledge affirms the signatory's commitment to diversity, specifically disability diversity, and recognizes that diversity is in the best interest of the profession, those the profession serves, and the organization making the commitment. The Pledge also announces that the signatory will encourage others in the legal industry to make this commitment.

It is this pledge that I, as an attorney with a disability who works at Disability Rights Washington, ask each employer and law school to consider in the next year. The ABA is hoping to have all signatures gathered by 2011.

The Pledge for Change was created in response to the lack of lawyers with disabilities in the profession, and was the centerpiece of the Second ABA National Conference on the Employment of Lawyers with Disabilities held in June 2009. The ABA Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law will be leading the effort to have legal employers sign the Pledge for Change. If you are interested in collaborating with the Commission in having your employer or others sign the Pledge for Change, please contact William Phelan at:

    ABA Pledge for Change
    c/o William J. Phelan, IV, Esq.
    740 15th Street, NW, 9th Floor
    Washington, DC 20005-1022
    phelanw at staff.abanet.org
    202-662-1576 (phone)
    202-442-3439 (fax)

You may also review the Pledge for Change by going to www.abanet.org/disability/pledge.

In the time since the ABA issued its call to employers and universities to sign the Pledge for Change, nearly 50 (including several from Washington state) have signed the Pledge, showing their commitment to diversifying their workforces, specifically for lawyers with disabilities.

Association of Corporate Counsel
ABA General Practice, Solo and Small Firms Division
ABA Individual Rights and Responsibilities Section
ABA Section of Family Law
Adorno Yoss Caley Dehkhoda & Qadri
Arnall Golden Gregory LLP
Arnold & Porter LLP
Baker, Donelson, Bearman, Caldwell & Berkowitz, PC
Ballard Spahr LLP
Bar Association of San Francisco
Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP
Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund
Disability Rights Washington
Florida Costal School of Law
Fordham University School of Law
Frank Law Office, P.C.
The Goitia Law Firm, PL
Golden Gate University School of Law
Howard University School of Law
Ice Miller LLP
Kirkland & Ellis LLP
Learning Rights Law Center
Liberty University School of Law
Michigan State University College of Law
Morrison & Forster LLP
Phoenix School of Law
Quarles & Brady LLP
Schiff Hardin LLP
Schreiner Law Group PC
State Bar of Arizona
Statewide Legal Services of Connecticut, Inc.
Temple University Beasley School of Law
Texas Tech University School of Law
Towe, Ball, Enright, Mackey & Sommerfeld, P.L.L.P.
UCLA School of Law
Ulmer & Berne LLP
University of Buffalo Law School
University of Miami School of Law
University of New Mexico School of Law
University of North Carolina School of Law
University of the Pacific, McGeorge School of Law
University of South Dakota School of Law
University of Tulsa College of Law
University of Washington School of Law
Western New England College School of Law

Washington state has made important strides to support and increase diversity in the legal profession. In 2007, the WSBA Board of Governors adopted five Guiding Principles, one of which is to "advance and promote diversity, equality, and cultural understanding throughout the legal community." This commitment has been made possible through significant efforts by WSBA leadership in partnership with the various Minority Bar Associations, the WSBA Committee for Diversity, the Board of Governors Diversity Committee, and other stakeholders in the legal community and community at large. This commitment would be strengthened if more Washington state employers were to sign the Pledge. Please take a look at the Pledge and talk to your colleagues and your employer about committing to support disability diversity in the legal field by signing this one-page pledge.

Pledging to change the diversity of the legal profession ultimately upholds Dr. King's statement that "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

Emily Cooper Pura is a graduate of Seattle University School of Law. She has spent her legal career practicing in areas of public interest focusing on state and federal benefits law, as well as addressing the issues impacting individuals with disabilities. She works at Disability Rights Washington and also serves as a pro bono attorney with KCBA Volunteer Attorney for People with AIDS. Professional activities include serving on WSBA Committee for Diversity and Q-Law. Wilberforce Agyekum and Assistant Attorney General Maureen Mannix provided edits to this column.



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Wed May  5 14:12:37 2010
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 09:12:37 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Law Schools Discriminate Against Blind Applicants
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org





Law Schools Discriminate Against Blind Applicants





National Federation of the Blind Files Complaints Against Nine Law Schools



Baltimore, Maryland (May 5, 2010): The National Federation of the 
Blind (NFB), the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind 
people, announced today that it has filed complaints with the United 
States Department of Justice, Civil Rights Division, requesting 
investigations of nine prominent law schools for violating the civil 
rights of blind and other print-disabled law school applicants.  The 
NFB filed the complaints because the law schools require applicants 
who wish to have the convenience of applying online to use a 
centralized Internet-based application process provided by the Law 
School Admissions Council (LSAC) through its Web site (www.lsac.org) 
that is inaccessible to blind law school applicants.  While sighted 
law school applicants can use the LSAC system to submit multiple law 
school applications at once, blind students must seek sighted 
assistance to use the LSAC system.  Title III of the Americans with 
Disabilities Act requires these law schools to offer equal access to 
their programs and services.  The nine law schools named in the 
complaints are The University of Chicago Law School, Yeshiva 
University's Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, Atlanta's John 
Marshall Law School, University of Denver's Sturm College of Law, 
Washington and Lee University School of Law, University of Miami 
School of Law, William Mitchell College of Law, Gonzaga University 
School of Law, and Northeastern University School of Law.  The 
complaints ask the Justice Department to require these law schools to 
suspend use of the LSAC application system until it is accessible to 
blind and other print-disabled students and to require each law 
school to provide the same application process in a format available 
to all students. The NFB already has a lawsuit pending against the 
LSAC for violating <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />California law by 
maintaining an inaccessible Web site.



Blind people access Web sites on computers equipped with screen 
access software that converts what is on the screen into synthesized 
speech or Braille.  The keyboard is used instead of a mouse to 
navigate the Web site and click on selected links or buttons.  If a

Web site is improperly coded, however, blind computer users cannot 
access or interact with the site.  The LSAC application process does 
not present information to screen access software and thus requires 
blind users to resort to sighted assistance.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "The National Federation of the Blind expects those who control 
admission to the practice of law to obey the law.  Forcing blind law 
school applicants to use a separate and inherently unequal 
application process violates both the letter and the spirit of the 
Americans with Disabilities Act and the Rehabilitation 
Act.  Accessibility standards for Web-based forms like those used in 
the Law School Admissions Council's application system have been in 
place for years and have been successfully implemented by many other 
Web sites, so there is no reason why the LSAC cannot make its 
application service available to blind law school applicants.  That 
is why we have asked the United States Department of Justice to act 
swiftly and decisively to ensure that blind law school applicants are 
treated the same as their sighted peers."



The National Federation of the Blind is represented in this matter by 
Daniel F. Goldstein and Mehgan Sidhu of the Baltimore firm Brown, 
Goldstein, and Levy; Laurence W. Paradis, Anna Levine, and Karla 
Gilbride of the Berkley firm Disability Rights Advocates; and Scott 
C. LaBarre of the Denver firm LaBarre Law Offices.





###





About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.


From info at michaelhingson.com  Thu May  6 00:29:25 2010
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 19:29:25 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB Reader Mobile At NFB National Convention
Message-ID: <auto-000151177709@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Hello everyone,

Once again this year the NFB and The Michael Hingson Group, Inc. will 
be selling the KnfbReader Mobile at our National convention.  We want 
to help you with your purchase should you wish to buy a Reader at the 
convention.

First, we will have plenty of KnfbReader Mobile systems available 
with either the Nokia N82 or the N86 hardware.

Second, all systems will be configured and ready to activate.  We 
will be happy to activate software for you in the exhibit hall when 
you purchase your KnfbReader Mobile.

Third, once again we shall be utilizing the NFB %3 low interest 
technology loan as a way to help you buy a KnfbReader Mobile should 
you not wish to use cash or a credit card to make your purchase 
directly at the convention.  Unfortunately, it will be difficult to 
approve and fund loans at the convention.  The chair of the Loan Fund 
committee has told me that due to time constraints the committee will 
not be able to meet and approve loans during the convention.  If you 
may be planning on using the loan fund to purchase a KnfbReader at 
the convention I would like to urge you to complete an application 
now rather than waiting until July.  If your application is approved 
you can simply order the Reader from us for delivery at the 
convention which will save shipping charges.  A link to the online 
loan application is available at 
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com 
near the bottom of the page.  In the field asking for the name of 
your dealer simply enter the words "NFB convention" should you plan 
to pick up your Reader at the convention.  I cannot emphasize enough 
the importance of completing the application now should you wish to 
use the loan fund to purchase a KnfbReader Mobile.  Curtis Chong, 
chair of the Loan Fund Committee tells me that any applications 
completed by late May should be funded by the convention.  The sooner 
you complete the application the faster your loan will be 
completed.  We cannot provide Readers to anyone who has not gone 
through the entire loan process and had their loan funded.  We shall 
be ready to help anyone complete an application at the convention, 
but there will be a delay in you receiving your KnfbReader Mobile.

Fourth, we will again be ready to answer any support questions of 
current users as well as helping you with any issues you may 
have.  Representatives of KNFB Technologies will also be on hand to 
answer your questions.

Finally, we are presently working on having a Reader users meeting 
sometime early in the convention.  More details will follow on this 
when they become available.

If anyone has any questions or wishes more information about the 
Reader please call me at (415) 827-4084 or email me at 
<mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com.  Please tell 
your friends and anyone you know about how they can see this great 
technology at the NFB convention.

All of us on the KnfbReader team look forward to serving you.  Thank 
you for your support.


Best,


Michael Hingson



The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
      "Speaking with Vision"
                  Michael Hingson, President
                          (415) 827-4084
                    <mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com
                    www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu May  6 16:01:35 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:01:35 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: New Job Announcements for the Civil Rights Division
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52AD969341@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 12:41 PM
To: jobs at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Jobs] FW: New Job Announcements for the Civil Rights Division



________________________________
From: Special Programs Vacancies [mailto:CRT.SpecProgVacancies at usdoj.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:28 PM
To: Petrie, Diane E (CRT)
Cc: Jin, Les (CRT); Johnson, Linda (CRT)
Subject: New Job Announcements for the Civil Rights Division
The Civil Rights Division (Division) would like to thank each of you for participating in our efforts to increase outreach to lawyers interested in working for the Division.  By agreeing to receive our attorney job announcements, you are helping to make sure we have the best lawyers we can find.  The application period for several of our lawyer positions will be closing within a week; and several others will close in the next few weeks.  If you have a convenient way to remind your constituents of the looming deadline, we would very much appreciate it.

The Division hopes to attract a broad and diverse pool of qualified applicants, and, to that end, encourages you to forward this information to any qualified applicants, including qualified applicants with disabilities, who may be interested in working for the Division.

For your convenience, all current Division job announcements are listed below.  Please also remind members of your organization that all our lawyer job announcements can always be found on the Division's homepage, http://www.justice.gov/crt/recruit.php.  In addition, if you know of other organizations that might want to receive our job announcements, please let them know the process is very simple.  They just need to send an email to CRT.SpecProgVacancies at usdoj.gov<mailto:CRT.SpecProgVacancies at usdoj.gov>.  There are no elaborate forms to fill out - just an email indicating that the organization wishes to receive future job listings and the e-mail address for us to contact them.  Please do not hesitate to let us know if you have suggestions on how we can improve our outreach efforts.  Thank you.
Employment Opportunities
The chart below includes the Civil Rights Division job opportunities currently available. Individuals interested in applying for these positions should comply with the applications procedures and closing dates in the vacancy announcement.



Position

Section

Grade

Salary

Closing Date



Attorney Advisor<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87885273>

Coordination and Review

GS-13/15

$89,033 - $155,500

5/7/2010

 New

Lead Accessibility Specialist<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87785227>

Disability Rights

GS-13

$89,033 - $115,742

5/11/2010

 New

Accessibility Specialist<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87785452>

Disability Rights

GS-11/12

$62,467 - $97,333

5/11/2010

 New

Paralegal Specialist<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87770566>

Appellate

GS-7/11

$42,409 - $81,204

5/13/2010

 New

Supervisory Accessibility Specialist<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87785208>

Disability Rights

GS-14

$105,211 - $136,771

5/14/2010

 New

Chief<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87315076>

Special Litigation

ES-0905-00/00

$119,554 - $179,700

5/18/2010

 New

Deputy Chief<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87315180>

Special Litigation

GS-15

$123,578 - $155,500

5/18/2010

 New

Deputy Chief<http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=87771518>

Voting

GS-15

$123,758 - $155,500

5/19/2010



Student Volunteer<http://www.justice.gov/crt/recruit_employ/pdo_student_volunteer.pdf>

Professional Development Office

volunteer

n/a

open until filled



Student Volunteer<http://www.justice.gov/crt/recruit_employ/volunteer_oaag.doc>

Office of the Assistant Attorney General

volunteer

n/a

open until filled


In addition, please direct your law school and undergraduate contacts to the Division's new Volunteer Internship Opportunities page, http://www.justice.gov/crt/vol_intern_opps.php, for information on available internships for the fall 2010 term.





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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu May  6 12:41:12 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 06:41:12 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] your help is needed
Message-ID: <DBC162D07F4E408598871BB0F1BF9523@labarre>

Greetings:

We are interested in talking to any blind/visually impaired college students who wish or plan to go to law school and who will be taking the Law School Admissions Test (LSAT).  However, our needs are even more specific than that.  The student needs to be a California resident and planning to attend a California law school.  Secondarily, we would like to talk to students who may not be a California resident but do wish/plan to attend a California law school.  Please contact me at the below information.
Thanks,  
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
303 504-5979 (voice)
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From rogerbaccus at gmail.com  Fri May  7 00:36:06 2010
From: rogerbaccus at gmail.com (Roger Baccus)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:36:06 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
Message-ID: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>

How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?


http://www.rogerbaccus.com

From dandrews at visi.com  Fri May  7 03:18:42 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 22:18:42 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] =?iso-8859-1?q?_Statement_of_Daniel_Goldstein=2C_Befor?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?e_Congress=2C_Achieving_the_Promise_of__the_Americans_with?=
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Statement of Daniel F. Goldstein, Esq.
Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP


Before the United States House Committee on the Judiciary

Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights,
and Civil Liberties

on

Achieving the Promise of the Americans with Disabilities Act in the
Digital Age – Current Issues, Challenges, and Opportunities


Thursday April 22, 2010















Mr. Chairman, members of the Committee, thank you 
for inviting me here today.  As a partner in the 
Baltimore, Maryland law firm of Brown, Goldstein 
& Levy, LLP, I have been engaged in disability 
rights law, principally on behalf of the National 
Federation of the Blind (“NFB”), since 1986.  In 
1999, the NFB asked me to assist it in devising a 
strategy to promote the accessibility of digital 
information through education, negotiation and 
litigation.  I have devoted much of the last 11 years to that effort.
The ADA has played a valuable role in that 
undertaking, as we have worked to make websites, 
workplace software applications, ATMs, voting 
machines, cell phones and e-book reading devices 
accessible to people with vision and print disabilities.
The challenge is immense.  Digital information is 
everywhere, from consumer electronics and home 
appliances to the internet, computer screens and 
mobile devices to ticket kiosks and ATMs.  It is 
difficult to identify an activity in modern 
American life in which digital information does not play a role.
Because digital information is composed of zeros 
and ones, it is not inherently visual, aural or 
tactile but can be presented in any one or all of 
those modes with equivalent facility.  Thus, the 
ubiquitous use of digital information should be 
great news for those who cannot access print 
because of a disability – whether it’s a vision 
disability, a learning disability, an 
intellectual disability, or a manual impairment 
or spinal cord injury.  Similarly, digital 
information that was traditionally presented as 
speech can now produce mainstream accessibility 
for those with hearing impairments.
Sadly, however, the potential for the disability 
community to have mainstream and therefore equal 
access has not been realized.  So much electronic 
information is presented so that it is accessible 
only to one sense, resulting in persons with 
disabilities having unequal access and therefore 
being denied the opportunity for equal 
participation in all spheres of life.  Thus, to 
give you a homely example, something as simple as 
setting the thermostat in one’s house, which a 
blind person could formerly do by adding tactile 
markings to the dial that controlled the 
thermostat, is now an inaccessible 
activity.  Even though digital temperature 
controls could communicate both visually and 
audibly, most provide only visual information, 
leaving blind people worse off than before.

A.                The ADA and Public Accommodation Websites

The ADA is key to unlocking these doors.  Title 
III of the ADA applies to public accommodations, 
defined as 12 categories of commercial entities 
that interact with the public.  We believe both 
the intent and the language of the ADA cover 
websites and other digital information and 
services provided by those covered entities, 
regardless of whether those entities also operate brick-and-mortar locations.
In 1999, on behalf of the NFB, I filed suit in 
federal court in Massachusetts against America 
Online for violating Title III of the ADA by 
failing to make its service accessible to the 
blind.  The First Circuit had held in the context 
of insurance services that a public accommodation 
may be covered under Title III of the ADA without 
the activity being linked to a physical place of 
public accommodation.  We were anxious to follow 
that case law to its logical conclusion that 
websites that offer the services of a public 
accommodation, as delineated in Title III, are 
likewise covered by the ADA.  However, AOL 
quickly decided to make its website fully 
accessible, so the matter was settled without 
creating any judicial precedent.
In 2006, we filed suit against the Target 
Corporation over the inaccessibility of its 
website.  After the federal court in San 
Francisco ruled that the portions of the website 
that had a nexus to the physical stores were 
covered by the ADA,[1] Target settled and has 
since made its website fully accessible.[2]
Opponents of the application of Title III to 
commercial and educational websites might argue 
that some federal case law supports the 
proposition that e-commerce is outside the scope 
of the ADA.  There is a line of reasoning adopted 
in some circuits that a place of public 
accommodation, within the meaning of Title III, 
must be an “actual, physical” place.[3]  These 
courts have held that to state a claim under 
Title III, the plaintiff must allege either that 
there has been discrimination in a physical 
place, or that there is a “nexus” between the 
challenged act of discrimination and a physical 
place of public accommodation.  This approach 
stands in stark contrast to the more commonsense 
view adopted by several other circuits that the 
phrase “public accommodation” encompasses more 
than just physical structures.[4]
Most cases addressing the “place” argument have 
been in the context of insurance, considering 
whether the ADA’s non-discrimination requirements 
govern the substance of insurance policies.  None 
of the circuit courts adopting the “physical 
place” line of reasoning have addressed the 
precise question of whether public accommodations 
that operate through the internet or its websites 
are places of public accommodation under Title 
III. So we do not currently know what conclusion 
these circuits would reach on that issue.
In today’s increasingly online society, limiting 
the ADA (or any civil rights law) to only those 
businesses that operate in physical facilities 
would undermine the fundamental goals of civil 
rights.  Given that one of the essential purposes 
of Title III is to eliminate discrimination 
against people with disabilities in the basic, 
day-to-day activities that are a fundamental part 
of living and functioning in a community, it is 
hard to imagine that coverage would depend on 
whether a covered entity offers its services and 
goods in a physical location, door-to-door, by 
phone, or online.  In an age where hundreds of 
millions of Americans are increasingly using the 
internet every day to shop for groceries, plan 
their travel, conduct business, do their banking, 
attend college classes, and socialize with 
friends and family, it is undeniable that these 
websites are an indispensable part of basic, 
day-to-day life in the community.
Despite this obvious reality of life in the 
internet era, one district court, in Access Now 
v. Southwest Airlines Co. has erroneously 
extended the “physical place” line of reasoning 
to conclude that it would not apply Title III to 
prohibit discriminatory access to Southwest’s 
website where the plaintiff had failed to allege 
a “nexus” between the site and a physical, 
brick-and-mortar place.[5]  I have no doubt that 
the district court’s interpretation of Title III 
in the Southwest case was incorrect, and that a 
federal Court of Appeals squarely presented with 
the issue should reach the conclusion that Title 
III applies to goods and services provided over 
the internet.  But the fact that the district 
court strayed so far from Title III’s fundamental 
purpose was troubling, and is one of the reasons 
that I applaud the Committee’s decision to hold this hearing.
In light of Assistant Attorney General Perez’s 
affirmation last week that the Department of 
Justice continues to believe that public 
accommodations are covered by Title III even when 
they reach the public only via websites, it seems 
to me that the time has come to test this 
proposition in the courts as well as through the 
development of regulations by the Department of Justice.
Court cases aside, in the years since the 
internet has become a mainstay of American life, 
some advocates and covered entities have reached 
agreements about accessibility of internet 
sites.  Among the websites that have reached such 
agreements, variously, with the NFB, the American 
Council of the Blind and the New York and 
Massachusetts Offices of Attorney General 
are:  Amazon.com, Apple’s iTunes, Major League 
Baseball, CVS, Radio Shack, Rite Aid, Staples, 
Ramada Hotels, and Priceline.com.  Other 
companies with commercial websites have reached 
out proactively to secure certification from the 
NFB that their websites are accessible, including 
both large companies like G.E. and NewEgg and 
small businesses like my law firm.
These agreements and the Target case have had a 
positive impact in increasing website 
accessibility across the commercial industry.  A 
study of the top thirty-two online retailers’ 
websites that analyzed the websites’ 
accessibility one year before the Target decision 
and one year following the decision found a 
significant improvement in overall accessibility.[6]
Using the standards and tools provided by the 
ADA, we are seeing voice-guided ATMs and 
Accessible Point-of-Sale Machines.  In the case 
of the former, with the recent announcement by 
Bank of America that all of its ATMs now have 
voice-guidance and my settlement with the largest 
nonbank deployer of ATMs, Cardtronics, 
inaccessible ATMs are becoming the exception rather than the rule.
ATMs, however, provide an important lesson.  The 
technology to make ATMs accessible is older than 
the technology to make ATMs and the additional 
cost of accessibility in manufacturing and 
deploying ATMs is marginal.  However, delay by 
banks and other deployers of ATMs to comply with 
the ADA until the national fleet of ATMs was 
mature led to a tremendous and unnecessary 
increase in costs in retrofitting or replacing 
functioning inaccessible ATMs.  It also 
needlessly delayed the blind from having this 
convenience that so many rely on.
When new technologies find acceptance in the 
marketplace, their adoption and improvement often 
occurs with dizzying speed.  When accessibility 
is not built in from the outset, however, the 
disability community suffers significant 
competitive disadvantages whose later correction 
may come only as that technology is being 
replaced by something newer or better.  When a 
Microsoft offers first Windows Vista and then 
Windows 7 that were accessible from the day each 
went on the market, or Apple develops, as it has, 
a technology that allows the controls of its iPad 
to be accessible to the blind, this is cause for celebration.
The list of other technologies that have been 
accessible from their entry into the market, 
however, remains far too short.  Gratuitous 
barriers to accessibility are still the rule, not 
the exception.  Improved clarity about the 
application of the ADA to public accommodations 
operating over the internet will help.  As is 
demonstrated by the experience of educational 
institutions, once the purchasers of technology 
understand their obligations and insist on 
accessibility by their suppliers, accessibility becomes mainstreamed.

B.                Inaccessible Digital Information in Education

Nowhere is the impact of digital information felt 
more than in the field of education.  The impact 
is pronounced here, perhaps more than in any 
other sphere because digital information and 
electronic technology have the potential to 
change the game for students with print 
disabilities.  However, educational institutions 
are not meeting that potential.  For example, a 
2008 study that examined the accessibility of 
postsecondary education web pages found that 97% 
of the institutions in its sample contained 
significant accessibility barriers.[7]  The study 
examined only top or home pages of university 
websites, suggesting that the significant 
barriers are even more deeply entrenched than indicated by the study.
That the vast majority of educational 
institutions fail to recognize their obligations 
under the ADA to make their website information 
accessible is only the tip of the 
iceberg.  Reliance on online education is steeply 
increasing, with online enrollments growing 
substantially faster than overall higher 
education enrollments in the past six 
years.[8]  Meanwhile, digital books, course 
management systems, and other educational 
technologies have become an integral part of 
post-secondary education.  Many of these 
technologies are completely – and gratuitously – 
inaccessible to students and others with print disabilities.
While universities and institutions have often 
failed to appreciate their obligations under the 
ADA and their commercial power as consumers of 
educational technology, some positive examples of 
success demonstrate the kind of impact 
institutions can have if their obligations under 
the ADA are made clear and enforceable.

i.                   Universities and Amazon’s Kindle DX

In February 2009, the Kindle 2 was introduced 
with a read-out-loud feature, but with on-screen 
navigation that was not voiced and was therefore 
inaccessible to the blind.  The Association of 
American Publishers and the Authors Guild sought 
to have Amazon terminate this feature.  In 
response, the Reading Rights Coalition was 
formed, thirty-two nonprofits representing the 
print-disability community­including, among 
others, the blind, people with dyslexia and other 
learning disabilities, those with cerebral palsy, 
and those with upper spinal cord injuries.  The 
Coalition worked on one hand to protect the 
inclusion of Text-to-Speech while fighting to 
have Amazon allow its menus to talk and thus make the device accessible.
In May 2009, Amazon announced the launch of its 
Kindle DX e-book reader, which it had designed 
for educational use.  Because Amazon failed to 
include accessible navigational controls, the 
device was inaccessible to the blind.  Six 
colleges and universities simultaneously 
announced they would be deploying the Kindle DX 
during the 2009 – 2010 academic year.  The 
National Federation of the Blind and the American 
Council of the Blind filed a complaint in federal 
court against Arizona State University and filed 
complaints with the Department of Justice and 
Department of Education against the remaining 
schools (Pace University, Case Western Reserve 
University, Reed College, Princeton University, 
and the University of Virginia’s Darden School of 
Business).  These complaints alleged that by 
deploying the inaccessible Kindle, the colleges 
and universities violated their obligations under 
Titles II and III of the ADA to provide equal 
access to their services.  While sighted students 
would benefit from the instant access, 
notetaking, and other services of the Kindle, 
blind students would be left behind, forced to 
rely on separate methods of access that are 
significantly inferior to even the print textbook 
experience.  The complaint against the University 
of Virginia is still pending with the Department 
of Education, but the NFB, the ACB and the 
Department of Justice secured settlements with 
the other five schools under which those schools 
agreed, after the end of this semester, not to 
deploy inaccessible e-book readers.
While those complaints were pending, other 
universities stepped forward to publicly pledge 
they would not adopt e-book technologies on their 
campus – including the Kindle – unless and until 
they were accessible.  Those universities 
included Syracuse University, the University of 
Wisconsin and the University of Illinois.  In 
response to this pressure, Amazon announced that 
it would release a fully accessible Kindle in the 
summer of 2010.  And on March 9, 2010, the 
Reading Rights Coalition, the Association of 
American Publishers and the Authors Guild issued 
a joint statement, released on the White House 
blog, supporting mainstream accessibility when 
books are issued in formats other than print, 
such as e-books and audio books.[9]

ii.                 Libraries  and Adobe Digital Editions

Adobe Digital Editions is the leading commercial 
e-book format used by libraries and also the 
format that can be read on the inaccessible Sony 
e-book reader.  Until March 2009, Adobe e-books 
had been accessible to those who require speech 
to access text and who downloaded those books to 
a PC.  In March 2009, however, Adobe stopped 
support of that accessible system and switched to 
a new, inaccessible e-book platform, called Adobe 
Digital Editions.  As a result, numerous public 
library patrons with disabilities could no longer 
access their libraries’ digital collections.
Advocacy from the Burton Blatt Institute and the 
Reading Rights Coalition prompted the American 
Library Association to adopt a resolution 
strongly recommending that libraries ensure that 
all electronic resources they procure are 
accessible to people with 
disabilities.[10]  Shortly thereafter, the Los 
Angeles Public Library, responding to a letter 
from the Reading Rights Coalition, agreed to 
suspend future procurement of Adobe Digital 
Editions books until they are fully 
accessible.[11]  In response, Adobe announced 
that it would release an accessible Adobe Digital 
Editions in 2010.[12]  Thus, when institutional 
customers of technology, like libraries, act on 
their obligations under the ADA, the developers 
of those technologies find strong economic 
motivation to remove the barriers to accessibility.

iii.              California State University and BlackBoard

California State University succeeded in moving 
one of the leading course-management software 
systems, BlackBoard Learn, toward 
accessibility.  In the late-1990’s, the 
Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights 
launched an investigation into California State 
University campuses’ compliance with, among other 
statutes, Title II of the ADA.  In response, the 
Cal State system revamped its approach to 
providing access to students with disabilities 
and has become a leader and model for educational 
institutions to follow.  Specifically, rather 
than delegating accessibility obligations to an 
isolated Disability Student Services office, as 
most universities do, Cal State established a 
system-wide, coordinated approach to 
accessibility.  Under this approach, 
accessibility experts work closely with the 
University’s information officers to ensure that 
the technology the university employs is accessible.
Through this arrangement, Cal State requires that 
new technologies it procures be accessible to its 
students. When Cal State put out a request for 
proposals for new course management software, it 
turned down BlackBoard – the leading purveyor of 
course management software – because it did not 
meet Cal State’s accessibility 
requirements.  Since that time, BlackBoard has 
issued two new releases of its software that 
greatly enhance its accessibility.[13]

C.                 The Next Steps to Access to Technology

We are not even halfway there on making the 
internet accessible and in making accessible the 
technologies used in the workplace and offered 
through public accommodations, like educational 
institutions.  And, of course, new technologies 
continue to develop and flourish with astonishing 
speed.  The barriers to accessibility, however, 
are not the result, for the most part, of 
intractable technological issues and need not 
(and as a practical matter, would not) slow down 
innovation.  The biggest contributor to the 
growing accessibility gap continues to be a lack 
of commitment to making technology accessible.
The ADA was a tremendous normative statement of 
the importance we attach as a nation to equal 
opportunity without regard to disability.  But 
while the disability community has the 
responsibility to use the ADA and the other tools 
offered by federal and state laws, government 
must continue to make clear its commitment to 
that promise as well.  The National Broadband 
Plan, for example, states as one of its goals 
that “every American should have affordable 
access to robust broadband service, and the means 
and skills to subscribe if they so 
choose.”[14]  It envisions, among other things 
“improvements in public education through 
e-learning and online content” and improvements 
in health care through the expansion of 
“e-care.”[15]  Without concrete steps to build in 
accessibility at every stage and level, this 
promise to “every American” will not be 
realized.  Recognizing this, the National 
Broadband Plan specifically states that 
“hardware, software, services and digital content 
must be accessible and assistive technologies 
must be affordable.”[16]  The Plan calls on the 
federal government to be a model of 
accessibility, to specifically support innovation 
in accessibility, and to clarify and modernize 
its accessibility laws, enforcement efforts, and 
subsidy programs.  In that respect, the federal 
government has a long way to go, as it has failed 
to monitor and enforce the provisions of Section 
508 of the Rehabilitation Act.
The National Education Technology Plan, currently 
in draft form, addresses to some degree the need 
for Education Technology to be designed for 
mainstream accessibility for those with 
disabilities and we hope the final draft will be 
more robust.  However, recent draft rules 
regarding Health Information Technology fail to 
wholeheartedly incorporate 
accessibility.   Again, the federal government 
must make sure that the execution follows the good intentions.
Our milestones under the ADA thus far have been 
significant, but we remain far behind where we 
ought to be in an era that relies so 
intrinsically upon digital information.  The near 
future will only expedite the transition to 
digital information in critical sectors – 
including education, employment, health care, 
commerce and social life.  If we do not ensure 
that people with disabilities have equal access 
to digital information, they face exclusion from participation in our society.
The commitment we have already seen from the 
Department of Justice will take us nearer that 
goal. The Department of Education, Department of 
Health and Human Services, General Services 
Administration, Federal Communications 
Commission, and others have important 
opportunities to advance accessible technology as 
well.  There are good reasons to believe that the 
disability community, acting for itself and with 
the support of governmental entities, can make 
great strides toward the day that it no longer 
must settle for separate and unequal access to 
technology, but will have, instead, the same 
access to mainstream technology and thus an equal 
opportunity to participate in the educational, 
economic and social life of this country.

Thank you


[1]  Nat’l Fed’n of the Blind v. Target Corp., 
452 F.Supp.2d 946 (N.D. Cal 2006).
[2]  Nat’l Fed’n of the Blind, v. Target Corp., 
No. 3:06-cv-01802-MHP Doc. 210 (N.D. Cal. Mar. 9, 
2008) (final judgment and order approving settlement and dismissing claims).
[3]  See Weyer v. Twentieth Century Fox Film 
Corp., 198 F.3d 1104, 1114 (9th Cir. 2000) 
(concluding that places of public accommodation 
are “actual, physical places.”); see also Ford v. 
Schering-Plough Corp., 145 F.3d 601, 612–13 (3d 
Cir. 1998) (holding that plaintiff failed to 
allege a nexus between the place of public 
accommodation and the insurance benefits offered 
by the employer); Stoutenborough v. National 
Football League, 59 F.3d 580, 583–84 (6th Cir. 
1995) (affirming the dismissal of a claim under 
Title III because the challenged service, the 
live telecast of a football game, was not offered 
by a place of public accommodation, the stadium).
[4]  See Carparts Distribution Ctr., Inc. v. 
Automotive Wholesalers Assoc. of New England, 
Inc., 37 F.3d 12, 19–20 (1st Cir. 1994) (holding 
that “public accommodations” encompasses more 
than actual physical structures and includes the 
defendant insurance company); Doe v. Mutual of 
Omaha Ins. Co., 179 F.3d 557, 559 (7th Cir. 1999) 
(noting that a “place of public accommodation” 
encompasses facilities open to the public in both 
physical and electronic space, including websites).
[5]  Access Now, Inc. v. Southwest Airlines Co., 
227 F.Supp.2d 1312 (2002).  On appeal, the 11th 
Circuit dismissed the appeal without reaching the 
merits of the case, so the 11th Circuit has not 
yet addressed the issue.  See Access Now, Inc. v. 
Southwest Airlines Co., 385 F. 3d 1324 (11th Cir. 2004).
[6]  Jonathan Frank, "Web Accessibility for the 
Blind: Corporate Social Responsibility? or 
Litigation Avoidance?," pp.284, Proceedings of 
the 41st Annual Hawaii International Conference 
on System Sciences (HICSS 2008), 2008.
[7]  Project GOALS Evaluates 100 Pages in Higher 
Education for Accessibility Against Section 508 
Standard, NCDAE Newsletter, April 
2008.  Retrieved: http://ncdae.org/community/newsletter/april2008/
[8]  I. Elaine Allen and Jeff Seaman, Learning on 
Demand: Online Education in the United States, 
2009, Babson Survey Research Group, January 
2010.  Retrieved at: 
<http://www.sloan-c.org/publications/survey/pdf/learningondemand.pdf>http://www.sloan-c.org/publications/survey/pdf/learningondemand.pdf 


[9] http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/03/09/one-step-closer-full-access
[10]  Purchasing of Accessible Electronic 
Resources Resolution, American Library 
Association, July 15, 2009.  Retrieved at: 
<http://bbi.syr.edu/events/2009/docs/Purchasing_Accessible_%0bElectronic_Resources_Resolution_revised_52.doc>http://bbi.syr.edu/events/2009/docs/Purchasing_Accessible_
<http://bbi.syr.edu/events/2009/docs/Purchasing_Accessible_%0bElectronic_Resources_Resolution_revised_52.doc>Electronic_Resources_Resolution_revised_52.doc.
[11]  Letter to Eve Hill from Martin Gomez, 
August 31, 
2009.  <http://www.readingrights.org/477>http://www.readingrights.org/477
[12]  Bill McCoy, Adobe eBooks - Update on 
Accessibility Support, October 8, 2009. 
<http://blogs.adobe.com/billmccoy/2009/10/adobe-ebooks--.html>http://blogs.adobe.com/billmccoy/2009/10/adobe-ebooks--.html
[13]  National Federation of the Blind and 
Blackboard to Demonstrate New Accessibility 
Features at CSUN, March 25, 2010. 
<http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=566>http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=566 

[14] 
http://www.broadband.gov/plan/executive-summary/ (“National Broadband Plan”).
[15]  Id.
[16]  National Broadband Plan at 181 (“Addressing 
Issues of Accessibility for Broadband Adoption and Utilization”).

From joramsey at cox.net  Fri May  7 07:13:13 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 03:13:13 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB Reader Mobile At NFB National Convention
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Hello,
Does anyone know a vendor who still sells the WayFinder GPS Software? If so,
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Hingson (by way of David Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:29 PM
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB Reader Mobile At NFB National Convention


Hello everyone,

Once again this year the NFB and The Michael Hingson Group, Inc. will 
be selling the KnfbReader Mobile at our National convention.  We want 
to help you with your purchase should you wish to buy a Reader at the 
convention.

First, we will have plenty of KnfbReader Mobile systems available 
with either the Nokia N82 or the N86 hardware.

Second, all systems will be configured and ready to activate.  We 
will be happy to activate software for you in the exhibit hall when 
you purchase your KnfbReader Mobile.

Third, once again we shall be utilizing the NFB %3 low interest 
technology loan as a way to help you buy a KnfbReader Mobile should 
you not wish to use cash or a credit card to make your purchase 
directly at the convention.  Unfortunately, it will be difficult to 
approve and fund loans at the convention.  The chair of the Loan Fund 
committee has told me that due to time constraints the committee will 
not be able to meet and approve loans during the convention.  If you 
may be planning on using the loan fund to purchase a KnfbReader at 
the convention I would like to urge you to complete an application 
now rather than waiting until July.  If your application is approved 
you can simply order the Reader from us for delivery at the 
convention which will save shipping charges.  A link to the online 
loan application is available at 
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com 
near the bottom of the page.  In the field asking for the name of 
your dealer simply enter the words "NFB convention" should you plan 
to pick up your Reader at the convention.  I cannot emphasize enough 
the importance of completing the application now should you wish to 
use the loan fund to purchase a KnfbReader Mobile.  Curtis Chong, 
chair of the Loan Fund Committee tells me that any applications 
completed by late May should be funded by the convention.  The sooner 
you complete the application the faster your loan will be 
completed.  We cannot provide Readers to anyone who has not gone 
through the entire loan process and had their loan funded.  We shall 
be ready to help anyone complete an application at the convention, 
but there will be a delay in you receiving your KnfbReader Mobile.

Fourth, we will again be ready to answer any support questions of 
current users as well as helping you with any issues you may 
have.  Representatives of KNFB Technologies will also be on hand to 
answer your questions.

Finally, we are presently working on having a Reader users meeting 
sometime early in the convention.  More details will follow on this 
when they become available.

If anyone has any questions or wishes more information about the 
Reader please call me at (415) 827-4084 or email me at 
<mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com.  Please tell 
your friends and anyone you know about how they can see this great 
technology at the NFB convention.

All of us on the KnfbReader team look forward to serving you.  Thank 
you for your support.


Best,


Michael Hingson



The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
      "Speaking with Vision"
                  Michael Hingson, President
                          (415) 827-4084
                    <mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com
                    www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/>
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From goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  7 12:48:35 2010
From: goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net (Sarah Clark)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 05:48:35 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
Message-ID: <00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>

Hi Roger,
The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and expected 
that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my experience, 
at least in so far as reading letters and other similar documents which 
contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as accurate as the 
regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I received it, I was 
reading something with it and my husband walked into the room, overheard it 
reading, and was blown away on how well it had recognized the text.  I've 
also used it to read receipts and check cooking directions on packages.
Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't comment 
on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially 
formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would 
seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as Kursweil 
does.

Sarah


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like 
> it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
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From mike.sandi at att.net  Fri May  7 14:52:06 2010
From: mike.sandi at att.net (Michael Groat)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:52:06 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
	<00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
Message-ID: <4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT>

Roger,
I have a KNFB Reader along with two of my friends.  We all enjoy using it.
There is a slight learning curve, but the rewards are well worth it. I have
used it to read documents, restaurant menus, etc.  

I demonstrated it to my Low Vision Specialist.  She gave me a small box,
about 1 by 3 inches with very small writing on it.  She was totally
surprised that it was able to read the very small lettering.  

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Sarah Clark
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 5:49 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

Hi Roger,
The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and expected

that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my experience, 
at least in so far as reading letters and other similar documents which 
contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as accurate as the 
regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I received it, I was 
reading something with it and my husband walked into the room, overheard it 
reading, and was blown away on how well it had recognized the text.  I've 
also used it to read receipts and check cooking directions on packages.
Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't comment 
on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially 
formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would 
seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as Kursweil 
does.

Sarah


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like 
> it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
http://www.rogerbaccus.com
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From garymelc at msn.com  Fri May  7 20:03:24 2010
From: garymelc at msn.com (gary melconian)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:03:24 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] your help is needed
In-Reply-To: <DBC162D07F4E408598871BB0F1BF9523@labarre>
References: <DBC162D07F4E408598871BB0F1BF9523@labarre>
Message-ID: <BAY148-ds11E5D0A983B335701AF08CFF60@phx.gbl>

Hello scot, how are you doing. I will be looking at law school for  the 2011
or 2012 year in California. I may either look at either online or
traditional since  I am already in my area  of profession and I just need to
have law as more enhancement to my areas of expertise in accounting and
fiannce. I have contacted you at your office but I did not get an answer so
I left a voice mail. I look forward to being  able to  help out.  
Sincerely Yours:
Gary Melconian, MBA
Cell: 818-731-3949 


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Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:41 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; NFBnet Blind Law
Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] your help is needed

Greetings:

We are interested in talking to any blind/visually impaired college students
who wish or plan to go to law school and who will be taking the Law School
Admissions Test (LSAT).  However, our needs are even more specific than
that.  The student needs to be a California resident and planning to attend
a California law school.  Secondarily, we would like to talk to students who
may not be a California resident but do wish/plan to attend a California law
school.  Please contact me at the below information.
Thanks,  
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
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From stevep.deeley at insightbb.com  Fri May  7 22:39:11 2010
From: stevep.deeley at insightbb.com (Steve P. Deeley)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 18:39:11 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
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References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
	<00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
	<4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT>
Message-ID: <C513392ED3284B3DBAF41CDD94843D27@StevePC>

What is the cost of the device?
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Groat" <mike.sandi at att.net>
To: "'Roger Baccus'" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>; "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing 
List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Roger,
> I have a KNFB Reader along with two of my friends.  We all enjoy using it.
> There is a slight learning curve, but the rewards are well worth it. I 
> have
> used it to read documents, restaurant menus, etc.
>
> I demonstrated it to my Low Vision Specialist.  She gave me a small box,
> about 1 by 3 inches with very small writing on it.  She was totally
> surprised that it was able to read the very small lettering.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sarah Clark
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 5:49 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
> Hi Roger,
> The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and 
> expected
>
> that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my experience,
> at least in so far as reading letters and other similar documents which
> contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as accurate as the
> regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I received it, I was
> reading something with it and my husband walked into the room, overheard 
> it
> reading, and was blown away on how well it had recognized the text.  I've
> also used it to read receipts and check cooking directions on packages.
> Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't 
> comment
> on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially
> formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would
> seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as 
> Kursweil
> does.
>
> Sarah
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like
>> it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Sun May  9 01:12:43 2010
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:12:43 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus><00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2><4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT>
	<C513392ED3284B3DBAF41CDD94843D27@StevePC>
Message-ID: <CC6AB4AEB06D46D2AD2361D4230381D3@valtd>

Steve, the KNFB Reader for the Symbian phones is $995; occasionally, special 
prices are offered.  Some folks sell theirs on the blindness-related buy and 
sell mailing lists for a lot less.

The price given above DOES NOT include the cost of the phone on which you 
can use the reader.  If you add the phone's cost, you can expect to pay 
close to $1,300 or a bit more.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun May  9 03:06:05 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 22:06:05 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB Reader Mobile At NFB National Convention
In-Reply-To: <0E0714D8BF3E42109D2E4D699C892191@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <auto-000151177709@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<0E0714D8BF3E42109D2E4D699C892191@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <auto-000152669823@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Even if you can still buy it, it is doubtful as to whether or not you 
would want to.  The maker has announced they are discontinuing 
support in the near future.  There are those who are negotiating to 
have the product continued in some manner, but the jury is still 
out.  For most people, Points of Interest stopped working a couple 
weeks ago, and for me, as of a couple days ago, everything stopped 
working.  So, it may already be gone!

Dave

At 02:13 AM 5/7/2010, you wrote:
>Hello,
>Does anyone know a vendor who still sells the WayFinder GPS Software? If so,
>please send me the contact information.
>Cordially,
>John



From rogerbaccus at gmail.com  Sun May  9 10:35:26 2010
From: rogerbaccus at gmail.com (Roger Baccus)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 06:35:26 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
	<00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
Message-ID: <0EA994957C3047858C9CE30A70854F93@rogerbaccus>

My counselor feels that it is a good thing to have. However, she does not 
see it as essential for my job. I can't come up with impelling reasons to 
justify it. I am sure that Although I don't possess OpenBook or equivalent, 
I do have access to scan material at work.

Here is the response from rehab.

***

Roger,



I appreciate your request for a KNFB Reader but I'm still not clear on what 
print would need to be read while you are at a conference or other venue. 
Would you be given new printed material without explanation?  Do you have a 
scanner and software (like Open Book) that you are using now at ULVA and/or 
at home to access printed material?  Also, if you are at a conference and 
given information (such as would be on a business card or brochure) could 
you keep it to scan at the office?  If someone is giving you information at 
a conference you can put it right into the MPower including contact names 
and phone numbers or you could save their business card to scan and save 
later at work right?  If you are listening to a presentation at a conference 
you can record the notes in the MPower.  The hand-outs at conferences are 
usually the same information that is presented verbally and could be scanned 
and saved when back at the office.  I agree that shopping without access to 
print is a little more challenging but we have to relate it to a work need. 
I'm trying to figure out if using the Mpower and existing equipment if you 
can find a way to accommodate.  Can you give me more explanation?



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Hi Roger,
> The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and 
> expected that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my 
> experience, at least in so far as reading letters and other similar 
> documents which contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as 
> accurate as the regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I 
> received it, I was reading something with it and my husband walked into 
> the room, overheard it reading, and was blown away on how well it had 
> recognized the text.  I've also used it to read receipts and check cooking 
> directions on packages.
> Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't 
> comment on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially 
> formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would 
> seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as 
> Kursweil does.
>
> Sarah
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like 
>> it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From r.g.munro at gmail.com  Sun May  9 14:42:42 2010
From: r.g.munro at gmail.com (Robert Munro)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:42:42 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <0EA994957C3047858C9CE30A70854F93@rogerbaccus>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
	<00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
	<0EA994957C3047858C9CE30A70854F93@rogerbaccus>
Message-ID: <2DE10DA9-E1E3-4963-935C-41B652068185@gmail.com>

How about being handed documents at the last minute in court or at a negotiation or board meeting?  Also, meeting with a client who has not prepaired in advance: having the KNFB Reader would let you read any documents the client had quickly, rather than having the client read them or having to wait until you got back to the office.

On May 9, 2010, at 6:35 AM, Roger Baccus wrote:

> My counselor feels that it is a good thing to have. However, she does not see it as essential for my job. I can't come up with impelling reasons to justify it. I am sure that Although I don't possess OpenBook or equivalent, I do have access to scan material at work.
> 
> Here is the response from rehab.
> 
> ***
> 
> Roger,
> 
> 
> 
> I appreciate your request for a KNFB Reader but I'm still not clear on what print would need to be read while you are at a conference or other venue. Would you be given new printed material without explanation?  Do you have a scanner and software (like Open Book) that you are using now at ULVA and/or at home to access printed material?  Also, if you are at a conference and given information (such as would be on a business card or brochure) could you keep it to scan at the office?  If someone is giving you information at a conference you can put it right into the MPower including contact names and phone numbers or you could save their business card to scan and save later at work right?  If you are listening to a presentation at a conference you can record the notes in the MPower.  The hand-outs at conferences are usually the same information that is presented verbally and could be scanned and saved when back at the office.  I agree that shopping without access to print is a little more challenging but we have to relate it to a work need. I'm trying to figure out if using the Mpower and existing equipment if you can find a way to accommodate.  Can you give me more explanation?
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
> 
> 
>> Hi Roger,
>> The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and expected that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my experience, at least in so far as reading letters and other similar documents which contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as accurate as the regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I received it, I was reading something with it and my husband walked into the room, overheard it reading, and was blown away on how well it had recognized the text.  I've also used it to read receipts and check cooking directions on packages.
>> Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't comment on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as Kursweil does.
>> 
>> Sarah
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>> 
>> 
>>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/goldflash9%40sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:
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> 
> 
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From stevep.deeley at insightbb.com  Sun May  9 16:07:54 2010
From: stevep.deeley at insightbb.com (Steve P. Deeley)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 12:07:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <CC6AB4AEB06D46D2AD2361D4230381D3@valtd>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
	<00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2>
	<4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT>
	<C513392ED3284B3DBAF41CDD94843D27@StevePC>
	<CC6AB4AEB06D46D2AD2361D4230381D3@valtd>
Message-ID: <94BBA24812EA4974A560B27B9EBEA173@StevePC>

Thank you.  That sounds reasonable.  What cell phone service can you use 
with this reader?
Steve

Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Steve, the KNFB Reader for the Symbian phones is $995; occasionally, 
> special
> prices are offered.  Some folks sell theirs on the blindness-related buy 
> and
> sell mailing lists for a lot less.
>
> The price given above DOES NOT include the cost of the phone on which you
> can use the reader.  If you add the phone's cost, you can expect to pay
> close to $1,300 or a bit more.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From cathrynisfinally at verizon.net  Sun May  9 20:26:23 2010
From: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net (Cathryn Bonnette)
Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 16:26:23 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <CC6AB4AEB06D46D2AD2361D4230381D3@valtd>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus><00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2><4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT>
	<C513392ED3284B3DBAF41CDD94843D27@StevePC>
	<CC6AB4AEB06D46D2AD2361D4230381D3@valtd>
Message-ID: <5CC2A076997A4D1881D8CA9299D7E820@14bd0130080a469>

Hello- 
I'm Cathryn, and I'm just figuring out that I sort of skipped the
introduction phase and just started on this list.  Anyway, however
belatedly, I lost the last of my eye sight about 4 years ago, close to
completing grad school. I'm still figuring out all of the consequences of
living in a very different world. I had experienced partial sight
previously, and began working with guide dogs years ago. My current partner
is a 50 lb. shepherd who transitioned beautifully from being an easy going
"California girl" to dealing with grid lock at rush hour in Washington DC. I
definitely used every bit of vision I had as long as possible. Relearning
everything is a challenge, and slow going.
OK, sorry if this is too long. I'm just wondering what "blindness-related
buy and sell mailing lists" are  (?) Could someone provide some examples. I
would consider getting one of these readers if the price was lower.

Thanks in advance for responding. 

Cathryn (& Abby)

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:13 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

Steve, the KNFB Reader for the Symbian phones is $995; occasionally, special

prices are offered.  Some folks sell theirs on the blindness-related buy and

sell mailing lists for a lot less.

The price given above DOES NOT include the cost of the phone on which you 
can use the reader.  If you add the phone's cost, you can expect to pay 
close to $1,300 or a bit more.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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From dravant at ameritech.net  Sun May  9 22:55:37 2010
From: dravant at ameritech.net (denise avant)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 17:55:37 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW:  KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
Message-ID: <001001caefca$bd903fa0$38b0bee0$@net>

Hello,
I have a knfb reader. Sometimes, when you go to conferences, there are
unexpected handouts that need to be read. If you had a reader, you could
snap the picture, and have it in real time along with your sighted
colleagues. 
If you're traveling to a hotel because of a conference, and don't have
sighted assistance in your room, you use the mobile reader to find out what
print materials are there.
These are job related activities. Why should you have to hunt down someone
to read to you on the spot if there is a portable solution that can help?
The braillenote, which I have is good, but it cannot substitute when you
need material read to you on the spot.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Roger Baccus
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 5:35 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: R B
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

My counselor feels that it is a good thing to have. However, she does not 
see it as essential for my job. I can't come up with impelling reasons to 
justify it. I am sure that Although I don't possess OpenBook or equivalent, 
I do have access to scan material at work.

Here is the response from rehab.

***

Roger,



I appreciate your request for a KNFB Reader but I'm still not clear on what 
print would need to be read while you are at a conference or other venue. 
Would you be given new printed material without explanation?  Do you have a 
scanner and software (like Open Book) that you are using now at ULVA and/or 
at home to access printed material?  Also, if you are at a conference and 
given information (such as would be on a business card or brochure) could 
you keep it to scan at the office?  If someone is giving you information at 
a conference you can put it right into the MPower including contact names 
and phone numbers or you could save their business card to scan and save 
later at work right?  If you are listening to a presentation at a conference

you can record the notes in the MPower.  The hand-outs at conferences are 
usually the same information that is presented verbally and could be scanned

and saved when back at the office.  I agree that shopping without access to 
print is a little more challenging but we have to relate it to a work need. 
I'm trying to figure out if using the Mpower and existing equipment if you 
can find a way to accommodate.  Can you give me more explanation?



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Clark" <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Hi Roger,
> The KNFB Reader is quite effective.  I have the mobile version, and 
> expected that it would be useful, but its accuracy surprised me.  In my 
> experience, at least in so far as reading letters and other similar 
> documents which contain paragraphs of text, it seems to be every bit as 
> accurate as the regular Kurzweil or Abbyy OCR software.  Soon after I 
> received it, I was reading something with it and my husband walked into 
> the room, overheard it reading, and was blown away on how well it had 
> recognized the text.  I've also used it to read receipts and check cooking

> directions on packages.
> Other than that, I haven't had much extensive use with it, so can't 
> comment on how it would handle tables and other things that are specially 
> formmatted.  But if its OCR with letters, etc is any indication, it would 
> seem that it would handle the specially formatted items as well as 
> Kursweil does.
>
> Sarah
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger Baccus" <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 5:36 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like 
>> it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  9 23:33:47 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:33:47 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <5CC2A076997A4D1881D8CA9299D7E820@14bd0130080a469>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus><00be01caede3$9b91e770$6701a8c0@computer2><4E514A47A73F47B788DF3C71CC579BD8@PUTTPUTT><C513392ED3284B3DBAF41CDD94843D27@StevePC><CC6AB4AEB06D46D2AD2361D4230381D3@valtd>
	<5CC2A076997A4D1881D8CA9299D7E820@14bd0130080a469>
Message-ID: <31973121CB5B4120A13629FCD3569C14@spike>

Actually while the price of the KNFB reader is high there are ways to 
finance it through the NFB so you don't have to run up credit card bills.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
To: "'Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.'" <ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com>; 
"'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Hello-
> I'm Cathryn, and I'm just figuring out that I sort of skipped the
> introduction phase and just started on this list.  Anyway, however
> belatedly, I lost the last of my eye sight about 4 years ago, close to
> completing grad school. I'm still figuring out all of the consequences of
> living in a very different world. I had experienced partial sight
> previously, and began working with guide dogs years ago. My current 
> partner
> is a 50 lb. shepherd who transitioned beautifully from being an easy going
> "California girl" to dealing with grid lock at rush hour in Washington DC. 
> I
> definitely used every bit of vision I had as long as possible. Relearning
> everything is a challenge, and slow going.
> OK, sorry if this is too long. I'm just wondering what "blindness-related
> buy and sell mailing lists" are  (?) Could someone provide some examples. 
> I
> would consider getting one of these readers if the price was lower.
>
> Thanks in advance for responding.
>
> Cathryn (& Abby)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:13 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
> Steve, the KNFB Reader for the Symbian phones is $995; occasionally, 
> special
>
> prices are offered.  Some folks sell theirs on the blindness-related buy 
> and
>
> sell mailing lists for a lot less.
>
> The price given above DOES NOT include the cost of the phone on which you
> can use the reader.  If you add the phone's cost, you can expect to pay
> close to $1,300 or a bit more.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  9 23:52:29 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:52:29 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Department of Labor releases on line tool to understand
	nondiscrimination under disability laws
Message-ID: <BE01C9CE56904DC4A02AB75762458B45@spike>

US Labor Department helps employers understand responsibilities under disability nondiscrimination laws
News Release
OASP News Release: [05/04/2010]
Contact Name: Lina Garcia 
Phone Number: (202) 693-4661
Release Number: 10-0562-NAT


New online tool helps further equality and full access for people with disabilities


WASHINGTON ?? The U.S. Department of Labor today unveiled a new tool to help America's employers ensure their employment policies and practices do not discriminate against qualified individuals with disabilities.


"Today, we made it easier for employers of all sizes to access the talents of the 36 million Americans with disabilities, " said Assistant Secretary of Labor for Disability Employment Policy Kathleen Martinez. "By providing this interactive and easy-to-use online tool, both workers and employers can readily access and understand their rights and responsibilities under our federal disability nondiscrimination laws." 


The online Disability Nondiscrimination Law Advisor, available at 
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/ odep.htm, helps employers quickly and simply determine which federal disability nondiscrimination laws apply to their business or organization and their responsibilities under them. It asks users to answer a few relevant questions in order to take into account relevant variables, such as nature of organization, size of staff and whether the business or organization receives federal financial assistance. Based on the responses provided, the advisor then generates a customized list of federal disability nondiscrimination laws that likely apply, along with easy-to-understand information about employers' responsibilities under them. 


The laws addressed by the Disability Nondiscrimination Law Advisor include:


Titles I and II of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 
Section 188 of the Workforce Investment Act of 1998 
Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended (as it pertains to federal financial assistance) 


Section 503 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, as amended 
The Vietnam Era Veterans' Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974, as amended 
The advisor also can help employees, job applicants and people applying for or participating in federally funded programs learn more about their rights under these laws. In addition, it includes a Guide on Employing People with Disabilities that outlines resources available to help employers comply with disability nondiscrimination laws.


The Disability Nondiscrimination Law Advisor is one of a series of Employment Laws Assistance for Workers and Small Businesses, or "elaws," Advisors developed by the Labor Department's Office of the Assistant Secretary for Policy, working with other department agencies, to help employers and employees understand federal employment laws. To access this set of advisors, visit the elaws website at 
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/. To learn more about the Labor Department's efforts to increase employment opportunities for people with disabilities, visit 
http://www.dol.    gov/odep.

From joramsey at cox.net  Mon May 10 06:26:05 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 02:26:05 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <5CC2A076997A4D1881D8CA9299D7E820@14bd0130080a469>
Message-ID: <1FDE88FD52684712B77832AD1743F582@noneeb869fea9a>

Hi Katherine,
There is a blind assistive aids site called blind attic If that is not
correct maybe someone on the list will be able to correct me. Also, thank
you for the introduction. What program are you doing in grad school?
Take care,
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

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John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that email
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Cathryn Bonnette
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 4:26 PM
To: 'Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.'; 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing
List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


Hello- 
I'm Cathryn, and I'm just figuring out that I sort of skipped the
introduction phase and just started on this list.  Anyway, however
belatedly, I lost the last of my eye sight about 4 years ago, close to
completing grad school. I'm still figuring out all of the consequences of
living in a very different world. I had experienced partial sight
previously, and began working with guide dogs years ago. My current partner
is a 50 lb. shepherd who transitioned beautifully from being an easy going
"California girl" to dealing with grid lock at rush hour in Washington DC. I
definitely used every bit of vision I had as long as possible. Relearning
everything is a challenge, and slow going. OK, sorry if this is too long.
I'm just wondering what "blindness-related buy and sell mailing lists" are
(?) Could someone provide some examples. I would consider getting one of
these readers if the price was lower.

Thanks in advance for responding. 

Cathryn (& Abby)

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 9:13 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

Steve, the KNFB Reader for the Symbian phones is $995; occasionally, special

prices are offered.  Some folks sell theirs on the blindness-related buy and

sell mailing lists for a lot less.

The price given above DOES NOT include the cost of the phone on which you 
can use the reader.  If you add the phone's cost, you can expect to pay 
close to $1,300 or a bit more.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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From mtarley at gmail.com  Mon May 10 18:49:14 2010
From: mtarley at gmail.com (M T)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:49:14 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
References: <653168BEBE7242AA918820C3F87047FE@rogerbaccus>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Roger,
I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool
in everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently
have my own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and
one of the barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client
paperwork and giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I
use the KNFB Reader in front of them and show them that I can read
their paperwork right then and there and render them a preliminary
opinion, they are quite impressed. This little device has been
extremely helpful in allowing me to more efficiently practice law.
Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is extremely accurate at
reading not only documents and books but I can take saved documents
that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them while in
transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
offers another level of independence and shows others that there is
nothing that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also
since you can adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and
assimilate information faster than the average person. So far there
has not been a document that the KNFB Reader has not been able to
process. This device has made a huge difference in my life and I am
confident it will fit your needs. I wish you luck in your endeavor to
acquire one and if you need any assistance, perhaps in composing a
letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would be glad to
help you. Best of luck.

Michelle


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> wrote:
> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
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                                               -- Helen Keller


From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Mon May 10 19:35:17 2010
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:35:17 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <1FDE88FD52684712B77832AD1743F582@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <49B2BA65C58D41BA8677B567B2BE0902@valtd>

Hello Roger:

If you are at a conference and there is a need for you to be able to 
identify paper money, it is my understanding that the KNFB Reader will work 
for this purpose as well.  I don't have the reader and as such I can't put 
it through its paces in this regard.  However, I've read on other mailing 
lists that folks have been able to use it to identify paper money and even 
their hotel room numbers.

There are other similar technologies competing with the KNFB Reader.  One is 
the BeyoCBS Reader from Britain.  I've NOT READ ANY GOOD REVIEWS on it 
though.  I don't recall the name of the third competitor, but, I do recall 
that it is a reader that sends info to a server of some kind.  In that wise, 
it is NOT AS ROBUST as the KNFB Reader me thinks.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Coloradodo 



From joramsey at cox.net  Tue May 11 09:58:05 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 05:58:05 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>

Hello Michelle,
Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
package please let me know.
Cordially,
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication in
error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that email
messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
control.  Thank you.  

 

 



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of M T
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


Hello Roger,
I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have my
own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB Reader
in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them while
in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
offers another level of independence and shows others that there is nothing
that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you can
adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish you
luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, perhaps
in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would be
glad to help you. Best of luck.

Michelle


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> wrote:
> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I 
> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com 
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Attorney At Law

 "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
                                               -- Helen Keller

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From dravant at ameritech.net  Tue May 11 12:29:42 2010
From: dravant at ameritech.net (denise avant)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:29:42 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <002a01caf105$a242d5a0$e6c880e0$@net>

Hello,
The wayfinder access gps software is no longer being supported. So you may
want to rethink that one. For example, do you have a braillenote or a
pacmate. Both have gps solutions.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of John Ramsey
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:58 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

Hello Michelle,
Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
package please let me know.
Cordially,
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication in
error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that email
messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
control.  Thank you.  

 

 



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of M T
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


Hello Roger,
I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have my
own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB Reader
in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them while
in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
offers another level of independence and shows others that there is nothing
that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you can
adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish you
luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, perhaps
in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would be
glad to help you. Best of luck.

Michelle


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> wrote:
> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I 
> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com 
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Attorney At Law

 "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
                                               -- Helen Keller

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From mike.sandi at att.net  Tue May 11 15:11:19 2010
From: mike.sandi at att.net (Michael Groat)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:11:19 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <0CDBE9912BDC442E86B3D3E86BA96D1C@PUTTPUTT>

John,
I would suggest contacting Michael at:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/

He should be able to give you some assistance
Michael



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of John Ramsey
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:58 AM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?

Hello Michelle,
Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
package please let me know.
Cordially,
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication in
error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that email
messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
control.  Thank you.  

 

 



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of M T
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


Hello Roger,
I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have my
own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB Reader
in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them while
in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
offers another level of independence and shows others that there is nothing
that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you can
adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish you
luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, perhaps
in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would be
glad to help you. Best of luck.

Michelle


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> wrote:
> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I 
> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>
>
> http://www.rogerbaccus.com 
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
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Attorney At Law

 "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
                                               -- Helen Keller

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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 11 15:19:46 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:19:46 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
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the Wayfinder has been discontinued and is no longer supported as its 
manufacturer was bought out by another company.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Hello Michelle,
> Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
> one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
> vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
> interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
> when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
> I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
> appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
> these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
> package please let me know.
> Cordially,
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
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> in
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> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
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>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of M T
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
> Hello Roger,
> I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
> everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have 
> my
> own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
> barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
> giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB 
> Reader
> in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
> and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
> This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
> efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
> extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
> saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them 
> while
> in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
> offers another level of independence and shows others that there is 
> nothing
> that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you 
> can
> adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
> faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
> the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
> difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish 
> you
> luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, 
> perhaps
> in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would 
> be
> glad to help you. Best of luck.
>
> Michelle
>
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I
>> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Michelle Tarley, Esq.
> Attorney At Law
>
> "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
>                                               -- Helen Keller
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue May 11 15:48:28 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:48:28 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice
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*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA ALEXANDRIA OFFICE 10-EDVA-10 Positions are open until filled, but resumes must be received by May 17, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-edva-10.htm>
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*  SPECIAL ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN GRAND RAPIDS OFFICE Your cover letter and resume must be received in our office by 5:00 p.m. June 1, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-sausa-grandrapids.htm>
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*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK BROOKLYN, NEW YORK Position(s) open until filled.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/atty-vac-ann-oarm-2010.htm>
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*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR U.S. TRUSTEES WASHINGTON, D.C. (6) EXPERIENCED TRIAL ATTORNEYS, (SPECIAL LITIGATION) CIVIL ENFORCEMENT, GS-905-13/14/15 ANNOUNCEMENT NO. 10-19-14002 Applications must be postmarked by the closing date of May 21, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-ust-10-19-14002.htm>
Date posted: 05-06-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR U.S. TRUSTEES WASHINGTON, D.C. (3) EXPERIENCED TRIAL ATTORNEYS, (SPECIAL LITIGATION) CHAPTER 11, GS-905-13/14/15 ANNOUNCEMENT NO. 10-19-14001 Applications must be postmarked by the closing date of May 21, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-ust-10-19-14001.htm>
Date posted: 05-06-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS INDIAN, VIOLENT, AND CYBER CRIME STAFF ATTORNEY-ADVISOR, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO:10-EOUSA-12 Open: 5/6/2010 Close: 5/21/2010<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-eousa-12.htm>
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*  SUPERVISORY ATTORNEY ADVISOR (EEO) EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION REVIEW (Falls Church, VA) VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: EOIR-10-0111 Applications received after June 02, 2010 will not be considered.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/eoir-10-0111supvyattyadveeo.htm>
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*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA 10-GAN-AUSA-02 Applications must be received by May 19, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-gan-ausa-02.htm>
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*  ATTORNEY VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF MISSISSIPPI JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 10-SDMS-02(AUSA) MAY 5, 2010 All applications/resumes should be postmarked no later than May 12, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-sdms-02-ausa.htm>
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*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY (CRIMINAL) UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF WYOMING LANDER, WYOMING VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER 10-WY-003 Applications must be postmarked or hand-delivered by 5:00 p.m., Mountain Time, on Friday, May 28, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-wy-003.htm>
Date posted: 05-05-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER 10-SDTX-06 The position is open until filled. The initial cutoff date for receipt of applications is May 21, 2010. <blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10sdtx06-permcrimiphou.htm>
Date posted: 05-05-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE U.S. TRUSTEE PROGRAM -- ALEXANDRIA, VA ASSISTANT UNITED STATES TRUSTEE VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT #AX-0019 This position will be open until May 20, 2010. <blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-ust-ax-0019.htm>
Date posted: 05-05-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER 10-SDTX-07 The position is open until filled. The initial cutoff date for receipt of applications is May 14, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-sdtx-07.htm>
Date posted: 05-04-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER 10-SDTX-05 The position is open until filled. The initial cutoff date for receipt of applications is May 11, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-sdtx-05.htm>
Date posted: 05-04-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE JUSTICE MANAGEMENT DIVISION DEPARTMENTAL ETHICS OFFICE SUPERVISORY ATTORNEY-ADVISOR GS-15 Applications must be received by the closing date of May 21, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/jmd-atty-adv-ethics.htm>
Date posted: 04-30-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS Our hiring process is open and continuous.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/usao-atty-mass.htm>
Date posted: 04-30-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ACCESS TO JUSTICE INITIATIVE DEPUTY COUNSELOR FOR ACCESS TO JUSTICE, GS-0905-15 ANNOUNCEMENT: A2J ATY-0110 The position will remain open until filled, but applications must be submitted no later than May 5, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/a2j-aty-0110.htm>
Date posted: 04-30-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CRIMINAL DIVISION ASSET FORFEITURE AND MONEY LAUNDERING SECTION EXPERIENCED TRIAL ATTORNEY, GS-15 ANNOUNCEMENT # 10-CRM-AFMLS-023 All applications must be received by 11:59 PM, Eastern Standard Time, May 25, 2010. Applications received after that date will not be considered for the first cut off. Should the position not be filled during the first cut-off a second cut-off will occur at 11:59 PM, Eastern Standard Time, June 25, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-crm-afmls-023.htm>
Date posted: 04-30-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA 10-EDVA-09 Positions are open until filled, but resumes must be received by May 12, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-edva-09.htm>
Date posted: 04-29-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS FREEDOM OF INFORMATION & PRIVACY ACT STAFF ATTORNEY-ADVISOR, GS-0905-14/15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 10-EOUSA-14 Open: April 29, 2010 Close: May 20, 2010<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-eousa-14.htm>
Date posted: 04-29-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON SEATTLE, WASHINGTON VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT: 10-WDWA-AUSA-08 (CRIMINAL) Applications will be accepted through May 13, 2010. <blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-wdwa-ausa-08-criminal.htm>
Date posted: 04-29-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON SEATTLE, WASHINGTON VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT: 10-WDWA-AUSA-07 (CRIMINAL) Applications will be accepted through May 13, 2010. <blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-wdwa-ausa-07-criminal.htm>
Date posted: 04-29-2010

*  DEPUTY CHIEF, ES-905 APPELLATE SECTION CRIMINAL DIVISION U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, DC ANNOUNCEMENT #: 10-CRM-SES-05 All applications (including Mailed applications) MUST BE RECEIVED BY 11:59 PM EST on May 25, 2010. <blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-crm-ses-05.htm>
Date posted: 04-29-2010

*  ATTORNEY-ADVISOR U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL WASHINGTON, D.C. Application Deadline is May 21, 2010<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-olc-legalcounsel.htm>
Date posted: 04-28-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA 10-WDVA-AUSA-02 TERM APPOINTMENT: NOT TO EXCEED ONE YEAR Applications must be received by 5:00PM Tuesday, May 4, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-wdva-ausa-02.htm>
Date posted: 04-28-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA ALEXANDRIA OFFICE 10-EDVA-08 Positions are open until filled, but resumes must be received by May 7, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-edva-08.htm>
Date posted: 04-28-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WESTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK 10-WDNY-011 Applications will be accepted until the position is filled, with a first cut-off date of May 12, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-wdny-011.htm>
Date posted: 04-27-2010

*  U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE ATTORNEY ADVISOR, GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 10-EOUSA-010 OPEN: 04/27/2010 CLOSE: 05/11/2010<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-eousa-010.htm>
Date posted: 04-27-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA RICHMOND OFFICE 10-EDVA-07 Positions are open until filled, but resumes must be received by May 7, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-edva-07.htm>
Date posted: 04-26-2010

*  ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA ALEXANDRIA OFFICE 10-EDVA-06 Positions are open until filled, but resumes must be received by May 7, 2010.<blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/10-usao-edva-06.htm>
Date posted: 04-26-2010

*  UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ACCESS TO JUSTICE INITIATIVE ATTORNEY ADVISOR, GS-0905-13 to GS-15 ANNOUNCEMENT: A2J ATY-0310 The position will remain open until filled, but applications must be submitted no later than May 1, 2010. <blocked::http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/attyadvada2jaty0310.htm>
Date posted: 04-26-2010


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From stevep.deeley at insightbb.com  Tue May 11 16:56:12 2010
From: stevep.deeley at insightbb.com (Steve P. Deeley)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:56:12 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
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If you buy the reader, does it come with a cell phone or is that separate?
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> the Wayfinder has been discontinued and is no longer supported as its
> manufacturer was bought out by another company.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
>> Hello Michelle,
>> Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to 
>> get
>> one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
>> vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am 
>> very
>> interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and 
>> awkward
>> when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
>> I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
>> appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
>> these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
>> package please let me know.
>> Cordially,
>> John
>>
>> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>>
>> P.O. Box 6063
>>
>> Gainesville, FL 32627
>>
>> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>>
>> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>>
>> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
>> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
>> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication
>> in
>> error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated 
>> printed
>> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
>> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
>> communication or the information it contains may result in criminal 
>> and/or
>> civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
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>> messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of M T
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>>
>>
>> Hello Roger,
>> I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
>> everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have
>> my
>> own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
>> barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
>> giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB
>> Reader
>> in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
>> and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite 
>> impressed.
>> This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
>> efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
>> extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
>> saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them
>> while
>> in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
>> offers another level of independence and shows others that there is
>> nothing
>> that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you
>> can
>> adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
>> faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
>> the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
>> difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish
>> you
>> luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance,
>> perhaps
>> in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would
>> be
>> glad to help you. Best of luck.
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I
>>> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Michelle Tarley, Esq.
>> Attorney At Law
>>
>> "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
>>                                               -- Helen Keller
>>
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From mtarley at gmail.com  Tue May 11 18:23:38 2010
From: mtarley at gmail.com (M T)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:23:38 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinICjJGhRYp7SQ1Cb1ghCO6cedqVYWNTd71b-Gr@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,
I use the KNFB reader mobile with the N82 Nokia. It works great.
However my new phone plan does not support that cell phone so I just
use it as a reader only, not a cell. It works just the same and
carrying that and a cell phone is not cumbersome because the N82 is
not large at all. It has been such an invaluable piece of equipment
and has not only increased my accessibility to written material but my
efficiency at practicing law. There is software that you can put on
the N82 for free that allows it to be used as a GPS. Check out the
website KNFBreader.com. It has all the downloads and the info on the
reader and phone. Good luck and I hope you prevail at acquiring one.
Let me know if I can do anything to assist you.

Michelle

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:58 AM, John Ramsey <joramsey at cox.net> wrote:
> Hello Michelle,
> Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
> one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
> vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
> interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
> when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
> I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
> appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
> these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
> package please let me know.
> Cordially,
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication in
> error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
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> John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
> uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
> communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of M T
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
> Hello Roger,
> I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
> everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have my
> own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
> barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
> giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB Reader
> in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
> and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
> This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
> efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
> extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
> saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them while
> in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
> offers another level of independence and shows others that there is nothing
> that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you can
> adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
> faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
> the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
> difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish you
> luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, perhaps
> in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would be
> glad to help you. Best of luck.
>
> Michelle
>
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> wrote:
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I
>> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Michelle Tarley, Esq.
> Attorney At Law
>
>  "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
>                                               -- Helen Keller
>
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-- 
Michelle Tarley, Esq.
Attorney At Law

 "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing”
                                               -- Helen Keller


From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue May 11 19:13:55 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:13:55 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com><32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
	<0CDBE9912BDC442E86B3D3E86BA96D1C@PUTTPUTT>
Message-ID: <CA44B65558BB42848DA15E1A24483CED@hometwxakonvzn>

John, What does P.A stand for? RJ


From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue May 11 19:22:43 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:22:43 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <AANLkTilu3SgaRZO8OiZyfUYIc50L3j-P_TeOBDq_zHPf@mail.gmail.com><32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
	<0CDBE9912BDC442E86B3D3E86BA96D1C@PUTTPUTT>
Message-ID: <72519E27D8B140CAB9B94B2304D01DC2@hometwxakonvzn>

John,  Do you practice law in reguards to a fair hearing before the Florida 
division of admenastrative hearings? If not, Do you know any one who does? 
Please email me off list, and let me know. RJ Sandefur.
email is: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Groat" <mike.sandi at att.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> John,
> I would suggest contacting Michael at:
> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/
>
> He should be able to give you some assistance
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of John Ramsey
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:58 AM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
> Hello Michelle,
> Which phone do you have the KNFB reader on? I am currently approved to get
> one and am looking toward the N86. I asked the list if anyone knows of a
> vendor with a license for the Wayfinder GPS but nobody answered. I am very
> interested in a GPS but devices like the treker are cumbersome and awkward
> when trying to go through courthouse security on a daily basis.
> I have tried to explain to my counselor that maintaining a professional
> appearance is essential to practicing law and am not interested in one of
> these devices. If you or anyone knows of the Wayfinder or a GPS software
> package please let me know.
> Cordially,
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication 
> in
> error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
> communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
> civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
> John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
> uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
> communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
> 505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that 
> email
> messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
> control.  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of M T
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
>
>
> Hello Roger,
> I too use the KNFB Reader and have found it to be an invaluable tool in
> everyday reading situations and in the practice of law. I currently have 
> my
> own practice, therefore I have to go out to meet clients and one of the
> barriers I had to deal with was reading perspective client paperwork and
> giving them a legal opinion right then and there. When I use the KNFB 
> Reader
> in front of them and show them that I can read their paperwork right then
> and there and render them a preliminary opinion, they are quite impressed.
> This little device has been extremely helpful in allowing me to more
> efficiently practice law. Other lawyers are impressed as well. It is
> extremely accurate at reading not only documents and books but I can take
> saved documents that I have on my PC and load them and listen to them 
> while
> in transport. It doubles as a cell phone as well which is convenient. It
> offers another level of independence and shows others that there is 
> nothing
> that blind and low vision individuals cannot accomplish. Also since you 
> can
> adjust the speed settings, I am able to read and assimilate information
> faster than the average person. So far there has not been a document that
> the KNFB Reader has not been able to process. This device has made a huge
> difference in my life and I am confident it will fit your needs. I wish 
> you
> luck in your endeavor to acquire one and if you need any assistance, 
> perhaps
> in composing a letter to your counselor justifying this purchase, I would 
> be
> glad to help you. Best of luck.
>
> Michelle
>
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Roger Baccus <rogerbaccus at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> How effective is the KNFB Reader in everyday reading situations? I
>> like it. How can I justify getting State Rehab to buy one?
>>
>>
>> http://www.rogerbaccus.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> blindlaw:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mtarley%40gm
>> ail.com
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Michelle Tarley, Esq.
> Attorney At Law
>
> "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing"
>                                               -- Helen Keller
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Tue May 11 19:52:02 2010
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:52:02 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <F5D467EE62944E21B7E32DB3F9AAB53F@valtd>

Hello John:

On other lists, I've read about the demise of the Wayfinder; it is NO LONGER 
available because VodaPhone WILL NOT produce them anymore.  Current users, 
as I understand it, can continue to use it until around October or so.

An alternative to consider is the MobileGEO from CodeFactory, the developers 
of MobileSpeak and its many variants.

The MobileGeo ONLY WORKS on phones using the Windows Mobile Operating 
system.  A good example would be the HTC Pro or the HTC Ozone.  If you go 
with a phone using the Windows Mobile Operating system, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE 
to use the KNFB Reader as it has not yet been ported over to that platform.

There are dealers who carry the MobileGeo.  One such dealer is:

www.atguys.com

I bought my MobileSpeak from a guy based in Canada.  He is Aman Singer, and 
his EMail address is:

aman.singer at gmail.com

I don't know if he sells the MobileGeo, but he gave me a pretty good price 
for the MobileSpeak I bought through him and that's why I am recommending 
him for a possible contact.

One other product I've heard about is called Loadstone GPS.  I don't know 
much about it, but their website is:

www.loadstone-gps.com


There appears to be quite a number of blind folks using it.  It works on 
phones like Nokia running on the Symbian Operating System.  In that wise, 
the Nokia N86 will be a great candidate for the Loadstone application.  I am 
thinking of giving it a spin too, it is free if memory serves.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado
 



From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue May 11 21:22:09 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:22:09 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Special 2-hour Webinar on Section 508 rule-making!
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADABC5AA@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



-----Original Message-----
From: Distribution list for EASI Web Conferences, Podcasts and News [mailto:ITD-JNL at LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:46 PM
To: ITD-JNL at LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG
Subject: Special 2-hour Webinar on Section 508 rule-making!

Free Webinar: Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on Section 508
2 hours: Monday, May 24 combining 90-minutes of panel and 30-minutes of Q & A
Pacific time: 11-1
Mountain time: 12-2
Central time: 1-3
Eastern time: 2-4

Presenters: Susan Mazrui, Larry Goldberg, Jim Tobias and Gregg Vanderheiden
The Webinar will be captioned thanks to the kindness of AT&T

Sections 255 and 508 are the federal regulations that require accessible 
information and communication technologies (ICT). They are currently being 
revised, and the time is ripe for public comment before they are finalized. 
This webinar will go over the current environment, changes to the technical 
provisions, and how we all can participate in the process to make sure that 
the final regulations will provide the access needed by users to both 
current and emerging ICT.

Besides outlining the proposed rules, the panel will explore ideas to make 
the government and others adopt a new commitment to following these rules.

This is a timely topic, and you should register in advance to reserve a 
spot in the online Webinar room. Late registrations may not receive login 
instructions in time to join the Webinar.


Go to the EASI Webinar page at:
http://easi.cc/clinic.htm

Look for the May 24 508 Webinar and follow the registration link.  You'll 
receive info on joining the live Webinar 2 days in advance.

Norm





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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Tue May 11 22:23:50 2010
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:23:50 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
References: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a><E1A145D753024F83B3076C8161352BB0@spike>
	<6D5233236BA340F493940D9C2C935580@StevePC>
Message-ID: <2454F270032C460D94AF77A90C495B8B@valtd>

Hi Steve:

The KNFB Reader itself is $995.  Generally, the phone, say the N86 for 
example, could cost you about $400.  Most dealers also like to add the price 
for Talks or MobileSpeak.  Expect to spend close to about $1,600 for the 
entire package unless there is a special running.

Personally, I'd buy my phone elsewhere and only worry about getting the KNFB 
Reader from one of its many dealers.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Wed May 12 00:20:44 2010
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 19:20:44 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] NFB President Marc Maurer to Receive Honorary Doctorate
 from University of Notre Dame
Message-ID: <auto-000151931193@mailfront2.g2host.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



NFB President Marc Maurer to Receive Honorary Doctorate
from University of Notre Dame



Baltimore, Maryland (May 11, 2010): The National Federation of the 
Blind (NFB), the largest organization of blind people in the United 
States, today announced that its president, Dr. Marc Maurer, will 
receive an honorary doctor of laws degree from the University of 
Notre Dame at the 2010 commencement ceremony on May 16, 2010.  Maurer 
is a 1974 graduate of the University of Notre Dame.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "I am pleased and privileged to receive an honorary degree from 
my alma mater.  As president of the largest organization of blind 
people in the United States, I have been fortunate to play a role in 
many exciting and life-changing developments for blind people in 
America.  While we have made much progress, there is still more to be 
done.  Only 10 percent of blind children are learning Braille in this 
country, and this directly contributes to a 70 percent unemployment 
rate among blind people in the United States.  I humbly accept this 
honor on behalf of blind Americans and pledge to work harder than 
ever to ensure that the blind are not left behind in today's society."



Maurer earned his law degree from Indiana University in 1977 and 
began focusing on representing blind individuals in the courts.  A 
member of the Bar in Indiana, Ohio, Iowa, Maryland, and the Bar of 
the Supreme Court, Maurer is one of the most experienced lawyers in 
the field of civil rights and discrimination against the blind.

Maurer has been president of the National Federation of the Blind 
since 1986.  In that capacity, he has joined President George W. Bush 
in the Oval Office in 2001 to celebrate the organization's Everest 
Expedition, and was present for Bush's signing into law the Help 
America Vote Act of 2002.  He has promoted new technology for the 
blind, including the knfbReader Mobile (a revolutionary cell phone 
application that scans and reads aloud most printed material) and the 
prototype vehicle for the Blind Driver Challenge.  He has overseen 
the visionary expansion of the NFB Jernigan Institute, the first 
training and research institute for the blind, led by the blind.  He 
has also previously served as president of the North 
America/Caribbean Region of the World Blind Union.  In November 2009, 
Dr. Maurer was awarded the Rev. John J. Cavanaugh, C.S.C., Award for 
outstanding contributions in the field of public service from the 
University of Notre Dame Alumni Association.



For more information about the National Federation of the Blind, 
please visit <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.





###



About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.



From joramsey at cox.net  Wed May 12 07:16:53 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 03:16:53 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <CA44B65558BB42848DA15E1A24483CED@hometwxakonvzn>
Message-ID: <ACDE7CDB1EB849CF85982E6340DBEE54@noneeb869fea9a>

P.A. stands for Professional Association and this is the designation that my
firm has for incorporation purposes.

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication in
error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
civil liability. Due to this message being transmitted over the Internet,
John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that email
messages may be delayed or undelivered through circumstances beyond our
control.  Thank you.  

 

 



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:14 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


John, What does P.A stand for? RJ

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From stevep.deeley at insightbb.com  Wed May 12 09:14:04 2010
From: stevep.deeley at insightbb.com (Steve P. Deeley)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 05:14:04 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <2454F270032C460D94AF77A90C495B8B@valtd>
References: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
	<E1A145D753024F83B3076C8161352BB0@spike>
	<6D5233236BA340F493940D9C2C935580@StevePC>
	<2454F270032C460D94AF77A90C495B8B@valtd>
Message-ID: <457FCB87878E4344A6EA37FF30434F0B@StevePC>

Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?


> Hi Steve:
>
> The KNFB Reader itself is $995.  Generally, the phone, say the N86 for
> example, could cost you about $400.  Most dealers also like to add the 
> price
> for Talks or MobileSpeak.  Expect to spend close to about $1,600 for the
> entire package unless there is a special running.
>
> Personally, I'd buy my phone elsewhere and only worry about getting the 
> KNFB
> Reader from one of its many dealers.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed May 12 10:16:55 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 05:16:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB READER, AnyoneUsingIt?
In-Reply-To: <6D5233236BA340F493940D9C2C935580@StevePC>
References: <32F8801F4BD844579320432CA20FD997@noneeb869fea9a>
	<E1A145D753024F83B3076C8161352BB0@spike>
	<6D5233236BA340F493940D9C2C935580@StevePC>
Message-ID: <auto-000151963803@mailfront2.g2host.com>

You can buy the reader software separately, for $995.  Most dealers 
will also sell you a cell phone if you wish, and can also sell you a 
screen reader for that phone.  Most, if not all dealers will install 
and configure everything -- which is worth something unless you have 
some comfort level with technical matters.  They generally charge a 
little more for the phone -- then you could get from Amazon.com or 
another company -- but for most it is worth it for the convenience.

Dave

At 11:56 AM 5/11/2010, you wrote:
>If you buy the reader, does it come with a cell phone or is that separate?
>Steve

                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
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From tom at tomladis.com  Wed May 12 14:18:51 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:18:51 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
Message-ID: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Hello All.

I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in a 
digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some of 
the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.

  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able 
to provide anything besides the PDF files.

Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word 
document?

In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe for 
the practice tests?


Thanks,
Tom 


From attorney at alcidonislaw.com  Wed May 12 15:32:24 2010
From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esquire.)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:32:24 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
References: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <7BDC17BBA47C498092CB7780D10E1811@LawOfficePC>

Tom

Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan has 
demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying with 
the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar 
Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a 
constructive dialog with them.


Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
Philadelphia, PA 19111
Tel: (215) 305-8085
Fax: (215) 525-0999
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From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support

> Hello All.
>
> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in 
> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some 
> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>
>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able 
> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>
> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word 
> document?
>
> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe 
> for the practice tests?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> blindlaw:
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Wed May 12 15:53:19 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:53:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
Message-ID: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom, do not use Kaplan test prep and admissions!  I used them for preparing to take the GRE in 2009.  I have had the same problems of inaccessible course material, as well as an inability to utilize the online component.  I was told that they were working on improving there services and were aware that there material was inaccessible and not usable to blind people.  I also had inaccessible material with written computer language in the PDFS that needed formatting.  This was never done and I never received adequate course materials.  They had no problem taking my credit card info for course registration and fees of up to $2500.  Instead of preparing for the GRE in 5 weeks, it took me five months since I was working with private readers, and a understanding Kaplan tutor.  The only compensation from Kaplan was to offer me free tutoring sessions in late November and early December since I felt I was not ready to take the GRE.  Kaplan has reports on
 ri-poffreport and the major consumer complaints websites.  Kaplan is a perfect example of Corporate Americas Greed.  William E. Bets is a disability accommodations attorney who requires a $500.00 retainer fee.  I did not pay this since I did not have this available at this time.  I posted the following to the list last year.  
The below information involves my experiences while studying for the Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I want to make all reading this aware of a major problem with Kaplan Test prep.
To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen magnification program in a timely manor.  
The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific examples from the text in the textbook.   
Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its courses.  
Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When one chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that the deadline for any refunds has passed.  
Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you register and are able to create a student account.  A student account can only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction or tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR technical reference pages through adobe systems.
Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able to utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the centers have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading software on sight.
In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE through there local colleges or universities, those individuals would have the same problems since the teachings and course related material is still channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University.  Kaplan out sources itself within local colleges and universities to offer there programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal corporate interests or political clout.  .  
I hope this information is helpful to you.



      


From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Wed May 12 16:59:48 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:59:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
In-Reply-To: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <195285.55062.qm@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Please note:
I am not soliciting or endorsing any person or service.  Understand the mention of MR. Betz was for informational purposes only.  Thank you.



--- On Wed, 5/12/10, William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 11:53 AM
> Tom, do not use Kaplan test prep and
> admissions!  I used them for preparing to take the GRE
> in 2009.  I have had the same problems of inaccessible
> course material, as well as an inability to utilize the
> online component.  I was told that they were working on
> improving there services and were aware that there material
> was inaccessible and not usable to blind people.  I
> also had inaccessible material with written computer
> language in the PDFS that needed formatting.  This was
> never done and I never received adequate course
> materials.  They had no problem taking my credit card
> info for course registration and fees of up to $2500. 
> Instead of preparing for the GRE in 5 weeks, it took me five
> months since I was working with private readers, and a
> understanding Kaplan tutor.  The only compensation from
> Kaplan was to offer me free tutoring sessions in late
> November and early December since I felt I was not ready to
> take the GRE.  Kaplan has reports on
>  ri-poffreport and the major consumer complaints
> websites.  Kaplan is a perfect example of Corporate
> Americas Greed.  William E. Bets is a disability
> accommodations attorney who requires a $500.00 retainer
> fee.  I did not pay this since I did not have this
> available at this time.  I posted the following to the
> list last year.  
> The below information involves my experiences while
> studying for the Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I
> want to make all reading this aware of a major problem with
> Kaplan Test prep.
> To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are
> taking the prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep
> courses on your own with a private tutor.  Do not take
> a class through Kaplan.  You and any one supporting you
> will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the
> website is inaccessible and you are not given proper
> accessible course material in alternative formats usable to
> a screen-reader or screen magnification program in a timely
> manor.  
> The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and
> internet resources in an interactive classroom setting where
> the instructor demonstrates concepts and the students read
> or openly discuss specific examples from the text in the
> textbook.   
> Even working through the representatives of the local
> Kaplan centers, the issues fall back on Kaplan as a
> corporation since you are lead to believe that you are the
> first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has come
> across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe
> that Kaplan has had more than one visually impaired or blind
> person register for its courses.  
> Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is
> not able to get a full refund after the third course
> session.  The initial diagnostic examination counts as
> the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to make
> standard accommodations to those who require them for
> this.  When one chooses to obtain help through
> representatives from Kaplan for there accessibility issues,
> the representatives will diligently work with you once one
> has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This
> means that the deadline for any refunds has passed.  
> Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead. 
> The main page is completely accessible.  The
> accessibility issues come up once you register and are able
> to create a student account.  A student account can
> only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom
> instruction or tutoring session with a major credit
> card.  The accessibility issues result from the
> personal student portals being formatted to support flash
> content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website
> accessibility standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb
> access initiative and /TR technical reference pages through
> adobe systems.
> Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one
> is not able to utilize there local Kaplan center’s
> equipment since none of the centers have any accessible
> screen magnifications or screen reading software on sight.
> In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for
> the GRE through there local colleges or universities, those
> individuals would have the same problems since the teachings
> and course related material is still channeled through
> Kaplan and not the local colleges or University. 
> Kaplan out sources itself within local colleges and
> universities to offer there programs since Kaplan is a
> monopoly as a service provider.
> Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City,
> a place so diverse yet so segregated to those few who
> possess special personal corporate interests or political
> clout.  .  
> I hope this information is helpful to you.
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Wed May 12 17:17:35 2010
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:17:35 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Converting PDF files {was Re: In regard to Kaplan test
	prep and admissions:}
References: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B96A8FDB00348E6A6F018162E7CE680@D3DTZP41>

Hello:

     The way I usually convert a big pdf file is to use Kurzweil K1000. 
K1000 will get the text from the file or if it is images, do OCR on the 
images. I understand the OpenBook from Freedom Scientific can do the same 
thing. Demos of this software are available, so it is possible to try before 
you buy. Hope this helps.

Regards,

Robert Jaquiss



From tom at tomladis.com  Wed May 12 18:09:45 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:09:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
References: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<7BDC17BBA47C498092CB7780D10E1811@LawOfficePC>
Message-ID: <26DF25C22D2743008FCE6CA89C81EF8E@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has started 
and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files just 
3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have not 
been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me 
the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get 
OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest solution 
either.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Tom

Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan has
demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying with
the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
constructive dialog with them.


Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
Philadelphia, PA 19111
Tel: (215) 305-8085
Fax: (215) 525-0999
Attorney at alcidonislaw.com

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From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support

> Hello All.
>
> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in 
> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some 
> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>
>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able 
> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>
> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word 
> document?
>
> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe 
> for the practice tests?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From tom at tomladis.com  Wed May 12 18:18:14 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 13:18:14 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
References: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2B8770DE96E345C1A9F79A8FBCB0C717@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Yes, it is difficult to get the right accommodations.  The instructors are 
very sympathetic to the situation, but it is pretty difficult to get anyone 
who can help to become involved.

Kaplan was suggested by another partially sighted candidate, but he was able 
to use ZoomText to get past the hurdles.  I have a completely different set 
of issues.

I feel pretty confident that I can do well on the test without them by 
reading books and practicing, but wanted the extra help and tricks that they 
offer.  The Bureau of Blind Services, here in Chicago, paid the tab for the 
class, but I hate to waste their money.  It will work out, but I may not be 
ready by June 7.  I will consider it all a learning process and practice for 
the next test if I do not score well enough.


Thanks,
Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:


> Tom, do not use Kaplan test prep and admissions!  I used them for 
> preparing to take the GRE in 2009.  I have had the same problems of 
> inaccessible course material, as well as an inability to utilize the 
> online component.  I was told that they were working on improving there 
> services and were aware that there material was inaccessible and not 
> usable to blind people.  I also had inaccessible material with written 
> computer language in the PDFS that needed formatting.  This was never done 
> and I never received adequate course materials.  They had no problem 
> taking my credit card info for course registration and fees of up to 
> $2500.  Instead of preparing for the GRE in 5 weeks, it took me five 
> months since I was working with private readers, and a understanding 
> Kaplan tutor.  The only compensation from Kaplan was to offer me free 
> tutoring sessions in late November and early December since I felt I was 
> not ready to take the GRE.  Kaplan has reports on
> ri-poffreport and the major consumer complaints websites.  Kaplan is a 
> perfect example of Corporate Americas Greed.  William E. Bets is a 
> disability accommodations attorney who requires a $500.00 retainer fee.  I 
> did not pay this since I did not have this available at this time.  I 
> posted the following to the list last year.
> The below information involves my experiences while studying for the 
> Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I want to make all reading this aware 
> of a major problem with Kaplan Test prep.
> To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the 
> prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a 
> private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one 
> supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the 
> website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course 
> material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen 
> magnification program in a timely manor.
> The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet 
> resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor 
> demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific 
> examples from the text in the textbook.
> Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the 
> issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe 
> that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has 
> come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan 
> has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its 
> courses.
> Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to 
> get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic 
> examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to 
> make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When one 
> chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there 
> accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you 
> once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that 
> the deadline for any refunds has passed.
> Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is 
> completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you register 
> and are able to create a student account.  A student account can only be 
> completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction or 
> tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues 
> result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash 
> content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility 
> standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR 
> technical reference pages through adobe systems.
> Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able to 
> utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the centers 
> have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading software on 
> sight.
> In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE through 
> there local colleges or universities, those individuals would have the 
> same problems since the teachings and course related material is still 
> channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University.  Kaplan 
> out sources itself within local colleges and universities to offer there 
> programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
> Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so 
> diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal 
> corporate interests or political clout.  .
> I hope this information is helpful to you.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> blindlaw:
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> 



From tom at tomladis.com  Wed May 12 19:15:02 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:15:02 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Converting PDF files {was Re: In regard to Kaplan
	testprep and admissions:}
References: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B96A8FDB00348E6A6F018162E7CE680@D3DTZP41>
Message-ID: <96F5DE8A73A54112B8BDEC5D745AFB21@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Robert,

I was finally able to read the text using OpenBook.  It looks like the table 
of contents and page numbers do not match up right, so I will ask a sighted 
friend to help me figure out where things are off.  Kaplan says that they 
sent what they provide as ADA accommodations, but it seems that there are 
extra pages for the Mastery series that knock the page numbering off.  It 
did not seem to bother her that the page numbers did not match the numbers 
used in the class , but as I explained that the class is referencing things 
by page numbers, my page numbers will be off.  This is not a perfect world, 
but they could do better than this for people who are getting an unknown 
product and expecting them to be able to figure things out on their own and 
keep up with the rest of the class.


Thank you very much,
Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:17 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Converting PDF files {was Re: In regard to Kaplan 
testprep and admissions:}


> Hello:
>
>     The way I usually convert a big pdf file is to use Kurzweil K1000. 
> K1000 will get the text from the file or if it is images, do OCR on the 
> images. I understand the OpenBook from Freedom Scientific can do the same 
> thing. Demos of this software are available, so it is possible to try 
> before you buy. Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert Jaquiss
>
>
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 12 19:23:04 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:23:04 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
References: <695329.44175.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2B8770DE96E345C1A9F79A8FBCB0C717@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <00b501caf208$8b5da230$6601a8c0@server>

Hello Tom,
My advice is not to take the LSAT until you are scoring as high as you are 
capable of scoring.  You will know when you have reached that point.  I 
think this is what you meant, and that you did not plan to simply take the 
LSAT and then just see how it goes.  Many people sighted and blind do this 
with the LSAT banking on the notion that they will simply take it again if 
their score is not high enough.  That is a very bad plan since the schools 
will be notified that the LSAT was taken several times.  If I were on the 
admissions committee I would admit the students first who got acceptable 
scores on the first try, and then look at those who did not if there were 
any slots remaining.  Likewise, I want a lawyer representing me who gets it 
right the first time and a surgeon who gets it right the first time.  Real 
life provides very few do-overs on important matters like those on which 
lawyers work each day.  Again, I think this is what you were saying but as a 
fellow (former) Chicagoian, I wanted to give you my 2 cents worth.
Best,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:


> Yes, it is difficult to get the right accommodations.  The instructors are 
> very sympathetic to the situation, but it is pretty difficult to get 
> anyone who can help to become involved.
>
> Kaplan was suggested by another partially sighted candidate, but he was 
> able to use ZoomText to get past the hurdles.  I have a completely 
> different set of issues.
>
> I feel pretty confident that I can do well on the test without them by 
> reading books and practicing, but wanted the extra help and tricks that 
> they offer.  The Bureau of Blind Services, here in Chicago, paid the tab 
> for the class, but I hate to waste their money.  It will work out, but I 
> may not be ready by June 7.  I will consider it all a learning process and 
> practice for the next test if I do not score well enough.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:53 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] In regard to Kaplan test prep and admissions:
>
>
>> Tom, do not use Kaplan test prep and admissions!  I used them for 
>> preparing to take the GRE in 2009.  I have had the same problems of 
>> inaccessible course material, as well as an inability to utilize the 
>> online component.  I was told that they were working on improving there 
>> services and were aware that there material was inaccessible and not 
>> usable to blind people.  I also had inaccessible material with written 
>> computer language in the PDFS that needed formatting.  This was never 
>> done and I never received adequate course materials.  They had no problem 
>> taking my credit card info for course registration and fees of up to 
>> $2500.  Instead of preparing for the GRE in 5 weeks, it took me five 
>> months since I was working with private readers, and a understanding 
>> Kaplan tutor.  The only compensation from Kaplan was to offer me free 
>> tutoring sessions in late November and early December since I felt I was 
>> not ready to take the GRE.  Kaplan has reports on
>> ri-poffreport and the major consumer complaints websites.  Kaplan is a 
>> perfect example of Corporate Americas Greed.  William E. Bets is a 
>> disability accommodations attorney who requires a $500.00 retainer fee. 
>> I did not pay this since I did not have this available at this time.  I 
>> posted the following to the list last year.
>> The below information involves my experiences while studying for the 
>> Graduate Record Examination (GRE).  I want to make all reading this aware 
>> of a major problem with Kaplan Test prep.
>> To those who are blind or visually impaired who want or are taking the 
>> prep courses for the GRE.  Take the prep courses on your own with a 
>> private tutor.  Do not take a class through Kaplan.  You and any one 
>> supporting you will not get the $1100.00 you paid for since both the 
>> website is inaccessible and you are not given proper accessible course 
>> material in alternative formats usable to a screen-reader or screen 
>> magnification program in a timely manor.
>> The course requires individuals to utilize the textbook and internet 
>> resources in an interactive classroom setting where the instructor 
>> demonstrates concepts and the students read or openly discuss specific 
>> examples from the text in the textbook.
>> Even working through the representatives of the local Kaplan centers, the 
>> issues fall back on Kaplan as a corporation since you are lead to believe 
>> that you are the first blind or visually in pared person that Kaplan has 
>> come across.  With a founding some 50+ years ago, I believe that Kaplan 
>> has had more than one visually impaired or blind person register for its 
>> courses.
>> Kaplan has a refund policy which clearly states that one is not able to 
>> get a full refund after the third course session.  The initial diagnostic 
>> examination counts as the first course.  Kaplan is more than willing to 
>> make standard accommodations to those who require them for this.  When 
>> one chooses to obtain help through representatives from Kaplan for there 
>> accessibility issues, the representatives will diligently work with you 
>> once one has completed two consecutive class sessions.  This means that 
>> the deadline for any refunds has passed.
>> Regarding the kaptest.com website, do not be mislead.  The main page is 
>> completely accessible.  The accessibility issues come up once you 
>> register and are able to create a student account.  A student account can 
>> only be completed once one has authorized either a classroom instruction 
>> or tutoring session with a major credit card.  The accessibility issues 
>> result from the personal student portals being formatted to support flash 
>> content and the lack of Kaplan integrating the website accessibility 
>> standards referred to as the W3c.org/waiweb access initiative and /TR 
>> technical reference pages through adobe systems.
>> Unless one has there own personal equipment to utilize, one is not able 
>> to utilize there local Kaplan center’s equipment since none of the 
>> centers have any accessible screen magnifications or screen reading 
>> software on sight.
>> In addition, for those who choose to study and prepare for the GRE 
>> through there local colleges or universities, those individuals would 
>> have the same problems since the teachings and course related material is 
>> still channeled through Kaplan and not the local colleges or University. 
>> Kaplan out sources itself within local colleges and universities to offer 
>> there programs since Kaplan is a monopoly as a service provider.
>> Kaplan’s main headquarters are located in New York City, a place so 
>> diverse yet so segregated to those few who possess special personal 
>> corporate interests or political clout.  .
>> I hope this information is helpful to you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From attorney at alcidonislaw.com  Thu May 13 16:58:58 2010
From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esquire.)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:58:58 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Written recommendation needed from a lawyer user of the
	KNFB Reader
Message-ID: <830ED89E9F024A2984FDABA7008A040C@LawOfficePC>

Colleagues:

Can you please write me off-list for further info if you can help. I am in need of a written recommendation from a lawyer for purchasing the KNFB Reader for my practice.
    
Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
Philadelphia, PA 19111
Tel: (215) 305-8085
Fax: (215) 525-0999
Attorney at alcidonislaw.com

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From CDanielsen at nfb.org  Thu May 13 19:58:52 2010
From: CDanielsen at nfb.org (Danielsen, Chris)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58:52 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Please post on all NFB list-serves
Message-ID: <auto-000153439531@mailfront1.g2host.com>

The 2009 National Federation of the Blind Annual Report is Now Available!

Take a look back on all of the accomplishments of the National 
Federation of the Blind in 2009 by reading the newest Annual Report! 
The 2009 Annual Report is available online as an accessible PDF file 
(<http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/pdf/2009%20Annual%20Report_Accessible.pdf>http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/pdf/2009%20Annual%20Report_Accessible.pdf) 
or a BRF file 
(<http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/brf/2009_NFB_Annual_Report.BRF>http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/brf/2009_NFB_Annual_Report.BRF). 
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From dwilson.lists at gmail.com  Fri May 14 14:25:34 2010
From: dwilson.lists at gmail.com (Derek Wilson)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:25:34 +0900
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <26DF25C22D2743008FCE6CA89C81EF8E@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
References: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<7BDC17BBA47C498092CB7780D10E1811@LawOfficePC>
	<26DF25C22D2743008FCE6CA89C81EF8E@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilnl29uPgT6dYaGoXetfrRgZbIOVlUG2vQZfheh@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom,

I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online
and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study
materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with
ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were
flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much less accessible, as
the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped
around the screen at random.

In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC.  Kaplan had
nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo
last September and again last December.

One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for
the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day.  I
prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by
LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a
human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult
for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able to read only 14
or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of
time.  To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points
lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the
nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in
my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to
help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what the implications
are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.

If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet
with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills
at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have
the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for them to meet
with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and
acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit
for the task.

After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I
asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using
Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at
this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based
alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No,
not at this time."  I have since learned that two of my acquaintances
in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on
test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.  I would not go
so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation
decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me
that the playing field is far from level.

I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way,
and I wish you the best of luck on test day!

Regards,
Derek Wilson
www.twitter.com/culturemate
http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate

On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has started
> and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files just
> 3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have not
> been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me
> the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get
> OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest solution
> either.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Tom
>
> Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan has
> demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying with
> the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
> constructive dialog with them.
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> Philadelphia, PA 19111
> Tel: (215) 305-8085
> Fax: (215) 525-0999
> Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
>
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> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in
>> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
>> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>>
>>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able
>> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>>
>> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> document?
>>
>> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe
>> for the practice tests?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri May 14 20:50:19 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:50:19 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Eleventh Circuit Title Two Decision: American
 Association of People with Disabilities v. Harris
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADB2DCC5@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Lissner, Scott
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:12 AM
To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG
Subject: Eleventh Circuit Title Two Decision: American Association of People with Disabilities v. Harris

Your are invited to participate in Ohio's ADA Report Card<http://www.adareportcard.org/>


In American Association of People with Disabilities v. Harris<http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200715004.pdf> the Eleventh Circuit dismissed a lawsuit challenging Florida's Duval County's lack of voting machines for disabled individuals.  Relying on Alexander v. Sandoval (532 US 275, 121 S. Ct. 1511) the Eleventh Circuit concluded that there was not private right to sue under Title II of the ADA  extending the reasoning in Sandoval beyond legislation rooted in the Spending Clause and to the Fourteenth Amendment legislation.



For more read "Federal Appeals Court Decision Undercuts Effectiveness of ADA<http://www.acslaw.org/node/16112>" in  The American Constitution Society for Law and Policy Blog By Michael R. Masinter<http://nsulaw.nova.edu/faculty/profiles/index.cfm?ID=78>, Professor of Law, Shepard Broad Law Center, Nova Southeastern University.







L. Scott Lissner, University ADA Coordinator, Office Of The Provost, The Ohio State University
  Associate, John Glenn School of Public Affairs
  Lecturer, Knowlton School of Architecture, Moritz College of Law & Disability Studies
  Chair, Public Policy & Government Relations Committee, Association on Higher Education And Disability
  Chair, ADA-OHIO Board
  Member,  Ohio Governor's Council For People With Disabilities
  Member, Columbus Advisory Council on Disability Issues & Board of ADA-OHIO











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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Fri May 14 21:38:43 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:38:43 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Eleventh Circuit Title Two Decision: American
	Association of People with Disabilities v. Harris
References: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADB2DCC5@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <EB0FC1EF3B8040B987B73B9E9DE6B75F@hometwxakonvzn>

I hope these people appeal this piece of trash! I hope the United States 
supreme court will hear this case! RJ
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To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 4:50 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Eleventh Circuit Title Two Decision: American 
Association of People with Disabilities v. Harris


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From emrene at earthlink.net  Sat May 15 17:53:56 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:53:56 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Federal Employment
Message-ID: <686E30261DD1443D8B6F0E86D1E2BE0F@elizabethrene>

I want to return to the practice of Law after a long hiatus, and want to 
pursue Federal employment under the Obama administration.

Does anyone out there work for a Federal agency who would like to comment 
about your route to employment there, your experience of the work 
environment, your ease or difficulty in getting needed accommodations, what 
you like most and least about Federal employment, or about what you might 
have done differently as a blind Federal job seeker or new employee, had you 
known then what you know now?

Are there any Federal magistrates, arbitrators, mediators, administrative 
law judges, or other hearing officers out there who would be willing to 
share your insights?

Does anyone practice in the circuit courts or before the courts of appeals?

I practiced for nine years as an assistant city prosecutor doing daily trial 
and appellate advocacy, for three years as municipal advisory counsel to 
elected and appointed department heads, working in labor law, city 
governance, public disclosure litigation, and information systems 
development, for nearly two years as a professional licensing attorney 
enforcing my state's version of the Uniform Disciplinary Act, and for two 
more years as a state excise tax judge.

I went to seminary after that, and worked as a hospital chaplain, becoming 
fascinated by Medicine, clinical ethics, the support and discipline of 
troubled healthcare workers, and the rights of patients to 
self-determination.  I am applying for admission to an LL.M. program in 
Health Law at my state university.

I'd love to hear from any of you.

Thanks,

Elizabeth




From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Sat May 15 19:17:23 2010
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 15:17:23 EDT
Subject: [blindlaw] Federal Employment
Message-ID: <d2b71.2630c0a1.39204d43@aol.com>

Elizabeth,
 
I worked in the Obama Administration for the Department of Homeland  
Security and now work for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services under  
HHS.  Feel free to email me off-list to discuss some of the aspects you  
mention.
 
_aznor99 at aol.com_ (mailto:aznor99 at aol.com) 
 
Regards,
Ronza
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/15/2010 2:16:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
emrene at earthlink.net writes:

I want  to return to the practice of Law after a long hiatus, and want to 
pursue  Federal employment under the Obama administration.

Does anyone out  there work for a Federal agency who would like to comment 
about your route  to employment there, your experience of the work 
environment, your ease or  difficulty in getting needed accommodations, 
what 
you like most and least  about Federal employment, or about what you might 
have done differently as  a blind Federal job seeker or new employee, had 
you 
known then what you  know now?

Are there any Federal magistrates, arbitrators, mediators,  administrative 
law judges, or other hearing officers out there who would  be willing to 
share your insights?

Does anyone practice in the  circuit courts or before the courts of appeals?

I practiced for nine  years as an assistant city prosecutor doing daily 
trial 
and appellate  advocacy, for three years as municipal advisory counsel to 
elected and  appointed department heads, working in labor law, city 
governance, public  disclosure litigation, and information systems 
development, for nearly two  years as a professional licensing attorney 
enforcing my state's version of  the Uniform Disciplinary Act, and for two 
more years as a state excise tax  judge.

I went to seminary after that, and worked as a hospital  chaplain, becoming 
fascinated by Medicine, clinical ethics, the support  and discipline of 
troubled healthcare workers, and the rights of patients  to 
self-determination.  I am applying for admission to an LL.M.  program in 
Health Law at my state university.

I'd love to hear from  any of  you.

Thanks,

Elizabeth



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From emrene at earthlink.net  Sat May 15 20:23:15 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:23:15 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology
Message-ID: <08978F571998447981311AD806DEC611@elizabethrene>

In an earlier post today, I've asked blind lawyers to comment on their 
experience as Federal attorneys.  I mentioned there that I hadn't practiced 
for a while, pursuing instead post-graduate study and other interests 
outside the Law.

When I left my last legal position, Windows was barely accessible, most of 
my computer work was done in MS Dos, I scrutinized contracts with a CCT, and 
I hunted for case law and Shepherdized opinions with an 8X magnifying glass.

Today on my laptop I use Windows XP with Service Pack Three, JAWS, and 
Kurzweil 1000.  But I've never used any of the legal databases such as 
Lexis.  Any ad hoc legal research I do these days, I do through Google.

Does anyone have suggestions on how I might finally haul myself into the 
21st century?

Which computer-based research tools work best for you, and how have you 
learned to use them?

Thanks,

Elizabeth




From mruniverse08 at gmail.com  Sat May 15 20:52:11 2010
From: mruniverse08 at gmail.com (WB)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 15:52:11 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology
In-Reply-To: <08978F571998447981311AD806DEC611@elizabethrene>
References: <08978F571998447981311AD806DEC611@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <003a01caf470$7e876f40$7b964dc0$@com>

Hi there.  I'm not an attorney but a paralegal.  Since I've been out of
work, I've still tried using the various research tools online.

I have Jaws 9 and it seems to work pretty well with the online research
tools, although they most often have to be the mobile version such as
m.westlaw.com.  It works very well because it takes away all the graphics
that Jaws cannot read.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 3:23 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology

In an earlier post today, I've asked blind lawyers to comment on their 
experience as Federal attorneys.  I mentioned there that I hadn't practiced 
for a while, pursuing instead post-graduate study and other interests 
outside the Law.

When I left my last legal position, Windows was barely accessible, most of 
my computer work was done in MS Dos, I scrutinized contracts with a CCT, and

I hunted for case law and Shepherdized opinions with an 8X magnifying glass.

Today on my laptop I use Windows XP with Service Pack Three, JAWS, and 
Kurzweil 1000.  But I've never used any of the legal databases such as 
Lexis.  Any ad hoc legal research I do these days, I do through Google.

Does anyone have suggestions on how I might finally haul myself into the 
21st century?

Which computer-based research tools work best for you, and how have you 
learned to use them?

Thanks,

Elizabeth



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From tom at tomladis.com  Sun May 16 01:15:26 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 20:15:26 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
References: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1><7BDC17BBA47C498092CB7780D10E1811@LawOfficePC><26DF25C22D2743008FCE6CA89C81EF8E@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<AANLkTilnl29uPgT6dYaGoXetfrRgZbIOVlUG2vQZfheh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB9AFE13CD974BA7B9F725B7EC7A4391@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very difficult to work with 
to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email instead of human 
interaction. They are not willing to give much  information over the phone, 
and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter in PDF files for 
me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see them add some more check boxes 
to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations advisors to people 
who are blind.

Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended Kaplan, but it appears 
that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText and when you need 
to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files all seem to have 
formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke with Freedom Scientific 
about the problem and their conclusion is that the  files are not formatted 
to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF files using OpenBook and 
saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of junk in the file 
because of their multi column structure and the books being for the Premier 
classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to keep up with a class 
when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded in the test is a 
problem.

It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just trying to level 
the playing field for blind people who are already in or trying to get into 
the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the playing field leveled and 
attorney fees paid are welcome.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hi Tom,

I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online
and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study
materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with
ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were
flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much less accessible, as
the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped
around the screen at random.

In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC.  Kaplan had
nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo
last September and again last December.

One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for
the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day.  I
prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by
LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a
human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult
for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able to read only 14
or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of
time.  To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points
lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the
nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in
my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to
help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what the implications
are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.

If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet
with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills
at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have
the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for them to meet
with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and
acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit
for the task.

After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I
asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using
Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at
this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based
alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No,
not at this time."  I have since learned that two of my acquaintances
in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on
test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.  I would not go
so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation
decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me
that the playing field is far from level.

I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way,
and I wish you the best of luck on test day!

Regards,
Derek Wilson
www.twitter.com/culturemate
http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate

On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has 
> started
> and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files 
> just
> 3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have 
> not
> been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me
> the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get
> OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest 
> solution
> either.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Tom
>
> Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan 
> has
> demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying 
> with
> the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
> constructive dialog with them.
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> Philadelphia, PA 19111
> Tel: (215) 305-8085
> Fax: (215) 525-0999
> Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
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> recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination,
> reading, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
>
> If you have received this communication in error, notify Attorney 
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> at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com, and permanently delete
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>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in
>> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
>> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>>
>>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able
>> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>>
>> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> document?
>>
>> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe
>> for the practice tests?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 16 05:07:29 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 22:07:29 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
References: <24D20B6AA8B64BED847930DA4BB1FEC0@TMLDELLLAPTOP1><7BDC17BBA47C498092CB7780D10E1811@LawOfficePC><26DF25C22D2743008FCE6CA89C81EF8E@TMLDELLLAPTOP1><AANLkTilnl29uPgT6dYaGoXetfrRgZbIOVlUG2vQZfheh@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB9AFE13CD974BA7B9F725B7EC7A4391@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <039f01caf4b5$af28e030$6601a8c0@server>

Hello Tom,
I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for about 20 years now 
since I graduated  from law school and I have had some success over the 
years dealing with the LSAC.  I would be happy to convert the PDF's that 
Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you can do with Open 
Book.  The files are too large to be sent as email attachments but if we can 
talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file transfer service 
that I use.  I would also like to talk with you about the legal problems 
raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.  Over the years I have 
taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was accessible, but 
my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.  However, the ADA has 
been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they get their act 
together and provide complete course accessibility.  Please give me a call 
if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244.  I am located in California, 
but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois.  I look forward to 
talking with you.
Warmest regards,
Dennis Clark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very difficult to work with
to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email instead of human
interaction. They are not willing to give much  information over the phone,
and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter in PDF files for
me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see them add some more check boxes
to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations advisors to people
who are blind.

Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended Kaplan, but it appears
that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText and when you need
to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files all seem to have
formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke with Freedom Scientific
about the problem and their conclusion is that the  files are not formatted
to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF files using OpenBook and
saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of junk in the file
because of their multi column structure and the books being for the Premier
classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to keep up with a class
when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded in the test is a
problem.

It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just trying to level
the playing field for blind people who are already in or trying to get into
the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the playing field leveled and
attorney fees paid are welcome.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hi Tom,

I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online
and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study
materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with
ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were
flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much less accessible, as
the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped
around the screen at random.

In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC.  Kaplan had
nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo
last September and again last December.

One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for
the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day.  I
prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by
LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a
human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult
for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able to read only 14
or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of
time.  To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points
lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the
nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in
my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to
help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what the implications
are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.

If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet
with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills
at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have
the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for them to meet
with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and
acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit
for the task.

After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I
asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using
Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at
this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based
alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No,
not at this time."  I have since learned that two of my acquaintances
in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on
test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.  I would not go
so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation
decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me
that the playing field is far from level.

I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way,
and I wish you the best of luck on test day!

Regards,
Derek Wilson
www.twitter.com/culturemate
http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate

On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has 
> started
> and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files 
> just
> 3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have 
> not
> been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me
> the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get
> OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest 
> solution
> either.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Tom
>
> Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan 
> has
> demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying 
> with
> the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
> constructive dialog with them.
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> Philadelphia, PA 19111
> Tel: (215) 305-8085
> Fax: (215) 525-0999
> Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
>  This message and/or its attachment(s) is being sent by a lawyer and may
> contain privileged and confidential information and may be protected by
> attorney client and work product privileges. If you are not the intended
> recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination,
> reading, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
>
> If you have received this communication in error, notify Attorney 
> Alcidonis
> at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com, and permanently delete
> this message from your system. This communication is covered by the
> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. § 2510-2521.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in
>> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
>> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>>
>>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able
>> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>>
>> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> document?
>>
>> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe
>> for the practice tests?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From joramsey at cox.net  Sun May 16 19:02:57 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 15:02:57 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology
In-Reply-To: <08978F571998447981311AD806DEC611@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <73E98B101B344E30A796AD886B29CD06@noneeb869fea9a>

Elizabeth:
Many of us use JFW with the text version of Westlaw but it is possible to
navigate Lexis and the full version of Westlaw once you familiarize yourself
with the respective page layouts. Personally, I have used the text only
version of Westlaw since 2003 and love it.
Cordially,
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 4:23 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology


In an earlier post today, I've asked blind lawyers to comment on their 
experience as Federal attorneys.  I mentioned there that I hadn't practiced 
for a while, pursuing instead post-graduate study and other interests 
outside the Law.

When I left my last legal position, Windows was barely accessible, most of 
my computer work was done in MS Dos, I scrutinized contracts with a CCT, and

I hunted for case law and Shepherdized opinions with an 8X magnifying glass.

Today on my laptop I use Windows XP with Service Pack Three, JAWS, and 
Kurzweil 1000.  But I've never used any of the legal databases such as 
Lexis.  Any ad hoc legal research I do these days, I do through Google.

Does anyone have suggestions on how I might finally haul myself into the 
21st century?

Which computer-based research tools work best for you, and how have you 
learned to use them?

Thanks,

Elizabeth



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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 16 19:27:59 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:27:59 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology
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Westlaw and Lexis are both accessible and as a paralegal doing research I 
have used both. While both are accessible I prefer Westlaw based on the 
layout and content. I know that Westlaw has staff that are trained to work 
with screen reader clients to provide training although I haven't availed 
myself of it.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal research technology


> In an earlier post today, I've asked blind lawyers to comment on their 
> experience as Federal attorneys.  I mentioned there that I hadn't 
> practiced for a while, pursuing instead post-graduate study and other 
> interests outside the Law.
>
> When I left my last legal position, Windows was barely accessible, most of 
> my computer work was done in MS Dos, I scrutinized contracts with a CC, 
> and I hunted for case law and Shepherdized opinions with an 8X magnifying 
> glass.
>
> Today on my laptop I use Windows XP with Service Pack Three, JAWS, and 
> Kurzweil 1000.  But I've never used any of the legal databases such as 
> Lexis.  Any ad hoc legal research I do these days, I do through Google.
>
> Does anyone have suggestions on how I might finally haul myself into the 
> 21st century?
>
> Which computer-based research tools work best for you, and how have you 
> learned to use them?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 16 20:07:12 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:07:12 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
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Hi Dennis,

While I did not have a truly negative experience I had an experience dealing 
with a Kaplan affiliate that being Concord Law School as I was inquiring 
about on line school about a year and a half ago. I found that the live 
features of the on line site which involved live chat were not accessible 
during an on line introductory seminar. While I could listen I could not 
participate in the on line chat totally when using JAWS. As a result I did 
not pursue that as an option.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hello Tom,
I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for about 20 years now
since I graduated  from law school and I have had some success over the
years dealing with the LSAC.  I would be happy to convert the PDF's that
Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you can do with Open
Book.  The files are too large to be sent as email attachments but if we can
talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file transfer service
that I use.  I would also like to talk with you about the legal problems
raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.  Over the years I have
taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was accessible, but
my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.  However, the ADA has
been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they get their act
together and provide complete course accessibility.  Please give me a call
if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244.  I am located in California,
but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois.  I look forward to
talking with you.
Warmest regards,
Dennis Clark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very difficult to work with
to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email instead of human
interaction. They are not willing to give much  information over the phone,
and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter in PDF files for
me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see them add some more check boxes
to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations advisors to people
who are blind.

Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended Kaplan, but it appears
that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText and when you need
to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files all seem to have
formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke with Freedom Scientific
about the problem and their conclusion is that the  files are not formatted
to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF files using OpenBook and
saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of junk in the file
because of their multi column structure and the books being for the Premier
classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to keep up with a class
when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded in the test is a
problem.

It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just trying to level
the playing field for blind people who are already in or trying to get into
the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the playing field leveled and
attorney fees paid are welcome.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hi Tom,

I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online
and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study
materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with
ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were
flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much less accessible, as
the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped
around the screen at random.

In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC.  Kaplan had
nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo
last September and again last December.

One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for
the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day.  I
prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by
LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a
human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult
for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able to read only 14
or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of
time.  To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points
lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the
nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in
my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to
help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what the implications
are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.

If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet
with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills
at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have
the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for them to meet
with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and
acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit
for the task.

After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I
asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using
Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at
this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based
alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No,
not at this time."  I have since learned that two of my acquaintances
in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on
test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.  I would not go
so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation
decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me
that the playing field is far from level.

I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way,
and I wish you the best of luck on test day!

Regards,
Derek Wilson
www.twitter.com/culturemate
http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate

On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has 
> started
> and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files 
> just
> 3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have 
> not
> been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me
> the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get
> OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest 
> solution
> either.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Tom
>
> Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan 
> has
> demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying 
> with
> the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
> constructive dialog with them.
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> Philadelphia, PA 19111
> Tel: (215) 305-8085
> Fax: (215) 525-0999
> Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
>  This message and/or its attachment(s) is being sent by a lawyer and may
> contain privileged and confidential information and may be protected by
> attorney client and work product privileges. If you are not the intended
> recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination,
> reading, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
>
> If you have received this communication in error, notify Attorney 
> Alcidonis
> at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com, and permanently delete
> this message from your system. This communication is covered by the
> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. § 2510-2521.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in
>> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
>> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>>
>>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able
>> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>>
>> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> document?
>>
>> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe
>> for the practice tests?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Sun May 16 21:04:37 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:04:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <49302C1FD97A497DBA07BE1B93619A7C@spike>
Message-ID: <141163.35846.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have posted something to the list a week ago with some helpful information on resourses, as well as my issues with Kaplan when practicing for a GRE.  I spoke with someone last week who told me that they have not made any changes to there flash content site or "accessible material."  So, in essence, they have not made the changes they said they would have for "future blind students."  The person declined to give a name.  I have all emails saved for reference if anyone wants names and contacts.  I hope this helps.
-William-


--- On Sun, 5/16/10, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 4:07 PM
> Hi Dennis,
> 
> While I did not have a truly negative experience I had an
> experience dealing with a Kaplan affiliate that being
> Concord Law School as I was inquiring about on line school
> about a year and a half ago. I found that the live features
> of the on line site which involved live chat were not
> accessible during an on line introductory seminar. While I
> could listen I could not participate in the on line chat
> totally when using JAWS. As a result I did not pursue that
> as an option.
> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
> 1237 P Street
> Fresno ca 93721
> 559-266-9237
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated  from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC.  I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book.  The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use.  I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course. 
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA. 
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility. 
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244.  I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois.  I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much 
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
> 
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the 
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
> 
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
> 
> 
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
> 
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC.  Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
> 
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day.  I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time.  To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
> 
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
> 
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time."  I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology. 
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
> 
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
> 
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
> 
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started.  My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format.   I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> > 
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > 
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> > 
> > 
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
> > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
> > 
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
> >  This message and/or its attachment(s) is being
> sent by a lawyer and may
> > contain privileged and confidential information and
> may be protected by
> > attorney client and work product privileges. If you
> are not the intended
> > recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention,
> dissemination,
> > reading, or copying of this communication is strictly
> prohibited.
> > 
> > If you have received this communication in error,
> notify Attorney Alcidonis
> > at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com,
> and permanently delete
> > this message from your system. This communication is
> covered by the
> > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §
> 2510-2521.
> > 
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > 
> >> Hello All.
> >> 
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format.  They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >> 
> >>  I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable.   Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >> 
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >> 
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> blindlaw mailing list
> >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get
> your account info for
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> > 
> > 
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 16 22:43:17 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 15:43:17 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <141163.35846.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <141163.35846.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <68FDA431A2804C2B9ED0722D92252314@spike>

This seems like it is an issue of great enough significance that NFB and its 
attorneys might want to start investigating this.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


I have posted something to the list a week ago with some helpful information 
on resourses, as well as my issues with Kaplan when practicing for a GRE.  I 
spoke with someone last week who told me that they have not made any changes 
to there flash content site or "accessible material."  So, in essence, they 
have not made the changes they said they would have for "future blind 
students."  The person declined to give a name.  I have all emails saved for 
reference if anyone wants names and contacts.  I hope this helps.
-William-


--- On Sun, 5/16/10, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 4:07 PM
> Hi Dennis,
>
> While I did not have a truly negative experience I had an
> experience dealing with a Kaplan affiliate that being
> Concord Law School as I was inquiring about on line school
> about a year and a half ago. I found that the live features
> of the on line site which involved live chat were not
> accessible during an on line introductory seminar. While I
> could listen I could not participate in the on line chat
> totally when using JAWS. As a result I did not pursue that
> as an option.
> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
> 1237 P Street
> Fresno ca 93721
> 559-266-9237
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility.
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
>
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
>
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
>
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC. Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
>
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day. I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
>
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
>
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
>
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format. I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> >
> >
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
> > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
> >
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> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >> Hello All.
> >>
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >>
> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable. Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >>
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
> >> _______________________________________________
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From womankind at earthlink.net  Mon May 17 12:15:40 2010
From: womankind at earthlink.net (Stephanie Ortoleva)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 08:15:40 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] using footnotes in MS Word with Window Eyes
In-Reply-To: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADB2DCC5@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed .gov>
References: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADB2DCC5@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <E1ODzEM-0004LQ-2z@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Dear all,

Does anyone have good guidance or instructions on using footnotes in 
MS Word with Window Eyes?  I'd really apreciate it.

Stephanie


From emrene at earthlink.net  Mon May 17 18:41:51 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:41:51 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
Message-ID: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene>

Thanks to all of you who have sent your comments about using Westlaw and 
Lexis with screen reader software.

I'm very grateful to you.

And please, if there's anyone who hasn't written yet about research 
technology and techniques for blind lawyers, keep writing!

Here's some more grist for the mill.

Does anyone know of a Braille or electronic version of the Uniform System of 
Citation?

What about the Restatements of the Law?

How do you Shepherdize?

How do you draft legislation and review bills in progress?

How do you mark clerks papers on appeal?

How do you prepare trial notebooks?

What have been your best techniques for organizing and presenting oral 
argument on appeal?

I'm speaking of the use of technology re all of this.

When I practiced, I didn't have any blind lawyers to talk to, so I winged it 
a lot.  I tried cases at all levels of state court, and argued regularly 
before my state's court of appeals and supreme court.  I also conducted 
hearings and settlement conferences, and wrote formal opinions.

So I'll share my experience and advice too, for what it's worth.

Thanks,

Elizabeth



 



From rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com  Tue May 18 02:03:38 2010
From: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com (ray wayne)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:03:38 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
In-Reply-To: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene>
References: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <20100518020338.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>

We discussed some of this at our NABLIND meeting immediately following the tenBroek Syposium in Baltimore last month. We will do so again this summer in Dallas at our annual meeting. I hope you can make it to Dallas, and that you will come to our meeting. See agenda for time and location. 

Ray Wayne
Secretary, National Assoc��ation of Blind Lawyers


----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, May 17, 2010 14:54:01
Subject: [bllaw] Re Research Technology �� thank you

>
>
> Thanks to all of you who have sent your comments about using Westlaw and 
> Lexis with screen reader software.
> 
> I'm very grateful to you.
> 
> And please, if there's anyone who hasn't written yet about research 
> technology and techniques for blind lawyers, keep writing!
> 
> Here's some more grist for the mill.
> 
> Does anyone know of a Braille or electronic version of the Uniform System of 
> Citation?
> 
> What about the Restatements of the Law?
> 
> How do you Shepherdize?
> 
> How do you draft legislation and review bills in progress?
> 
> How do you mark clerks papers on appeal?
> 
> How do you prepare trial notebooks?
> 
> What have been your best techniques for organizing and presenting oral 
> argument on appeal?
> 
> I'm speaking of the use of technology re all of this.
> 
> When I practiced, I didn't have any blind lawyers to talk to, so I winged it 
> a lot.  I tried cases at all levels of state court, and argued regularly 
> before my state's court of appeals and supreme court.  I also conducted 
> hearings and settlement conferences, and wrote formal opinions.
> 
> So I'll share my experience and advice too, for what it's worth.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From joramsey at cox.net  Tue May 18 11:11:55 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 07:11:55 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB
Message-ID: <E28D9EC8465442DAA80AFABBD0F4D52B@noneeb869fea9a>

Hello:
I believe it was Michelle who was well versed in drafting letters or
proposals for the KNFB Reader. If so, pleas contact me off list. 
Also, I would like to get some of your input on the best course of action in
challenging DBS for denial of services. Should I contact some of the
Advocacy centers or go through the Administrative Hearing process? Noel
Probably knows a lot about this on the federal level.
Finally, do any of you know the appropriate process for removing the case
from the administrative hearing phase to the civil court phase?
 
Cordially,
John
 

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

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From attorney at alcidonislaw.com  Tue May 18 13:30:30 2010
From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esquire.)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:30:30 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB
In-Reply-To: <E28D9EC8465442DAA80AFABBD0F4D52B@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <E28D9EC8465442DAA80AFABBD0F4D52B@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <81DDBFB2E7754C4AB77FB52BFE81165C@LawOfficePC>

I am in need of a similar letter for the KNFB Reader. I would appreciate any 
assistance from a felow blind attorney, off-line please.

 Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
Philadelphia, PA 19111
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From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:11 AM
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB

> Hello:
> I believe it was Michelle who was well versed in drafting letters or
> proposals for the KNFB Reader. If so, pleas contact me off list.
> Also, I would like to get some of your input on the best course of action 
> in
> challenging DBS for denial of services. Should I contact some of the
> Advocacy centers or go through the Administrative Hearing process? Noel
> Probably knows a lot about this on the federal level.
> Finally, do any of you know the appropriate process for removing the case
> from the administrative hearing phase to the civil court phase?
>
> Cordially,
> John
>
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue May 18 17:38:52 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:38:52 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: ABA GPSolo Diversity Fellowships Program - Extended
	to May 31, 2010
Message-ID: <26E2A299ACEC47D28B889B97772ADD2A@labarre>

For those who are solos or in small practices, this is an excellent way to get involved in the GP Solo Division of the ABA.  Expenses are paid to the various meetings etc.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: ABA General Practice, Solo and Small Firm Division 
To: GP-LEADERSHIP at MAIL.ABANET.ORG 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: ABA GPSolo Diversity Fellowships Program - Extended to May 31, 2010





Call for Diversity Fellowship Nomination Extended to May 31, 2010:   

The ABA General Practice, Solo and Small Firm Division is pleased to announce the sponsorship of four Diversity fellowships in the Division during the 2010-2011 bar year.  The program is designed to promote diversity within the Division and the ABA, while providing leadership development opportunities within the Division for women, attorneys of color, and those with disabilities and persons of differing sexual orientations and gender identities. Nomination applications deadline is extended to May 31, 2010.      

For further any information on the Division's fellowship programs please contact:the GPSolo Division at (312) 988-5648, (312) 988-5711 or genpractice at abanet.org.  
Visit our website at www.abanet.org/genpractice or download a DiversityFellowshipApplication1011.doc.   



Mail, fax or email completed applications and nominations to: 

                        American Bar Association 

                        GPSolo and Small Firm Division 

(Diversity or Young Lawyers) Fellowship Program

Dee C. Lee, Finance and Committees Coordinator

                        321 N. Clark Street

                        Chicago, IL 60654

                        Fax (312) 988-5711 

                        Email:  genpractice at abanet.org 




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From milicatrpevska at aol.com  Wed May 19 18:29:14 2010
From: milicatrpevska at aol.com (Milica Trpevska)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:29:14 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] New to the list LSAT?
Message-ID: <8CCC598513B2D0E-17E0-256C@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>

Hello folks

I am Mimi - short for Milica - from Macedonia. I am almost totally 
blind since birth and have just graduated from college with two majors 
in journalism and political science. I've spent four wonderful years at 
the American University in Bulgaria and they ended just as wonderfully 
with a great commencement and a senior prom.
Now that I graduated, I started thinking about preparing for the long 
and cumbersome process of applying for a law school position. I 
registered for LSAT in October in Bulgaria and am about to apply for 
accommodated testing. I've read some blogposts and papers on 
accommodated testing but will need  some pieces of advice from fellow 
blind peers who personally experienced the process. I'd like to use a 
computer in the analytical section: 0 this will be the most convenient 
method for me to to sort out and solve the problems in this section. I 
don't know, however, whether LSAC permits  such use and, if yes, which 
is the best way to approach them regarding this issue.
I am aware that some fellows, among them Ms. Stephanie Enyart, put 
together a succinct guide that would be much helpful to first-time 
applicants like myself. I would greatly appreciate if someone would 
send it my way for which I thank you all in advance. I will also 
appreciate any and all advices regarding accommodated testing as well 
as practicing for LSAT. Most of you are probably professional lawyers 
or law students who do not have as much spare time, but I would 
appreciate if someone wants to have a short chat about it on skype, MSN 
or AIM. My corresponding screen names are provided below:
skype: go-getter87,
MSN: milica.trpevska at gmail.com,
AIM: milicatrpevska at aol.com .
When adding me on either of them, please let me know that you are a 
member of the Blind Law mailing list.
Last but not least, I hope I will become a contributing member of the 
list and I look forward to getting to know some of you and to hearing 
some useful advices about LSAT and, hopefully, about the application 
process as I go along. Best, Milica Trpevska


From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 19 20:56:06 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:56:06 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
In-Reply-To: <20100518020338.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>
References: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene>
	<20100518020338.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1CF8D9DA85304DF3BFE2F74956559B24@spike>

Was this meeting recorded and will the Dallas meeting be broadcast or 
recorded for those who might not be able to attend.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ray wayne" <rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you


> We discussed some of this at our NABLIND meeting immediately following the 
> tenBroek Syposium in Baltimore last month. We will do so again this summer 
> in Dallas at our annual meeting. I hope you can make it to Dallas, and 
> that you will come to our meeting. See agenda for time and location.
>
> Ray Wayne
> Secretary, National Assocíation of Blind Lawyers
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, May 17, 2010 14:54:01
> Subject: [bllaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all of you who have sent your comments about using Westlaw and
>> Lexis with screen reader software.
>>
>> I'm very grateful to you.
>>
>> And please, if there's anyone who hasn't written yet about research
>> technology and techniques for blind lawyers, keep writing!
>>
>> Here's some more grist for the mill.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a Braille or electronic version of the Uniform System 
>> of
>> Citation?
>>
>> What about the Restatements of the Law?
>>
>> How do you Shepherdize?
>>
>> How do you draft legislation and review bills in progress?
>>
>> How do you mark clerks papers on appeal?
>>
>> How do you prepare trial notebooks?
>>
>> What have been your best techniques for organizing and presenting oral
>> argument on appeal?
>>
>> I'm speaking of the use of technology re all of this.
>>
>> When I practiced, I didn't have any blind lawyers to talk to, so I winged 
>> it
>> a lot.  I tried cases at all levels of state court, and argued regularly
>> before my state's court of appeals and supreme court.  I also conducted
>> hearings and settlement conferences, and wrote formal opinions.
>>
>> So I'll share my experience and advice too, for what it's worth.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> bllaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> bllaw:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.com
>
>


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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Thu May 20 10:51:08 2010
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 05:51:08 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Key Stakeholders Agree on Measures to Protect Blind
 Pedestrians from Silent Cars
Message-ID: <auto-000153104782@mailfront2.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org





Key Stakeholders Agree on Measures to
Protect Blind Pedestrians from Silent Cars





Urge Passage as Part of Motor Vehicle Safety Act



Baltimore, Maryland (May 19, 2010): The National 
Federation of the Blind (NFB), the American 
Council of the Blind (ACB), the Alliance of 
Automobile Manufacturers (AAM), and the 
Association of International Automobile 
Manufacturers (AIAM) announced today that they 
have agreed on proposed legislative language that 
will protect blind pedestrians and others from 
the danger posed by silent vehicle technology. 
The four organizations are urging Congress to 
adopt and pass the language as part of the Motor 
Vehicle Safety Act of 2010­which is currently 
pending in both houses of Congress­as quickly as 
possible.  The proposed language would require 
the Department of Transportation to promulgate a 
motor vehicle safety standard requiring 
automobiles to emit a minimum level of sound to 
alert the blind and other pedestrians.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “The National 
Federation of the Blind commends the automobile 
industry for its leadership on this issue and for 
its genuine concern for the safety of blind 
Americans, cyclists, runners, small children, and 
other pedestrians.  We look forward to working 
with the parties to this agreement, the United 
States Congress, and the Department of 
Transportation to ensure that <?xml:namespace 
prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" 
/>America’s streets remain safe, both for those 
who drive and for those who do not.”



"Good policy is a collaborative effort, and this 
is a good approach for pedestrians and 
automakers," said Dave McCurdy, President and CEO 
of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers.



Because blind pedestrians cannot locate and 
evaluate traffic using their vision, they must 
listen to traffic to discern its speed, 
direction, and other attributes in order to 
travel safely and independently.  Other people, 
including pedestrians who are not blind, 
cyclists, runners, seniors, and small children, 
also benefit from hearing the sound of vehicle 
engines.  New vehicles that employ hybrid or 
electric engine technology can be silent, 
rendering them extremely dangerous in situations 
where vehicles and pedestrians come into proximity with each other.



A recent report released by the National Highway 
Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) stated that 
hybrid and electric vehicles are nearly twice as 
likely to be involved in accidents with 
pedestrians as vehicles with internal combustion engines.





###







About the National Federation of the Blind



With more than 50,000 members, the National 
Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves 
blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, 
research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.  It is the 
leading force in the blindness field today and 
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 
the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and 
training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.



From rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com  Fri May 21 02:27:58 2010
From: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com (ray wayne)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:27:58 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
In-Reply-To: <1CF8D9DA85304DF3BFE2F74956559B24@spike>
References: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene>
	<20100518020338.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>
	<1CF8D9DA85304DF3BFE2F74956559B24@spike>
Message-ID: <20100521022758.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>

It was not recorded. We have not, to my recollection, recorded our annual meetings either, though our Mock Trials are available on CD. Call me a stick in the mud, but I think these things need to be interactive. That's not to say we wouldn't record the meetings in the future, but that's up to our Board to decide. 

I don't know your situation, but I think you should think seriously about coming to convention. You can listen to the presidential report and the banquet address online, but you can't get the interpersonal interaction unless you are there! 

Ray Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: unknown <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 16:49:21
Subject: Re: [bllaw] Re Research Technology �� thank you

>
>
> Was this meeting recorded and will the Dallas meeting be broadcast or 
> recorded for those who might not be able to attend.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ray wayne" <rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [bllaw] Re Research Technology �� thank you
> 
> 
> > We discussed some of this at our NABLIND meeting immediately following the 
> > tenBroek Syposium in Baltimore last month. We will do so again this summer 
> > in Dallas at our annual meeting. I hope you can make it to Dallas, and 
> > that you will come to our meeting. See agenda for time and location.
> >
> > Ray Wayne
> > Secretary, National Assoc��ation of Blind Lawyers
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
> > To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: Monday, May 17, 2010 14:54:01
> > Subject: [bllaw] Re Research Technology �� thank you
> >
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar Thanks to all of you who have sent your comments about using Westlaw and
> >ar Lexis with screen reader software.
> >ar
> >ar I'm very grateful to you.
> >ar
> >ar And please, if there's anyone who hasn't written yet about research
> >ar technology and techniques for blind lawyers, keep writing!
> >ar
> >ar Here's some more grist for the mill.
> >ar
> >ar Does anyone know of a Braille or electronic version of the Uniform System 
> >ar of
> >ar Citation?
> >ar
> >ar What about the Restatements of the Law?
> >ar
> >ar How do you Shepherdize?
> >ar
> >ar How do you draft legislation and review bills in progress?
> >ar
> >ar How do you mark clerks papers on appeal?
> >ar
> >ar How do you prepare trial notebooks?
> >ar
> >ar What have been your best techniques for organizing and presenting oral
> >ar argument on appeal?
> >ar
> >ar I'm speaking of the use of technology re all of this.
> >ar
> >ar When I practiced, I didn't have any blind lawyers to talk to, so I winged 
> >ar it
> >ar a lot.  I tried cases at all levels of state court, and argued regularly
> >ar before my state's court of appeals and supreme court.  I also conducted
> >ar hearings and settlement conferences, and wrote formal opinions.
> >ar
> >ar So I'll share my experience and advice too, for what it's worth.
> >ar
> >ar Thanks,
> >ar
> >ar Elizabeth
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar _______________________________________________
> >ar bllaw mailing list
> >ar blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> >ar http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> >ar To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> >ar bllaw:
> >ar http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > bllaw:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net
> > 
> 
> 
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri May 21 17:43:30 2010
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:43:30 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: USA JOBS --- SES Enforcement Directors
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED52ADB2EA30@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:44 AM
To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG
Subject: FW: USA JOBS --- SES Enforcement Directors

Two job postings below for DC.

William J. Phelan, IV, Esq.
Special Projects and Technology Coordinator
Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law
American Bar Association

phelanw at staff.abanet.org<mailto:phelanw at staff.abanet.org>
www.abanet.org/disability<http://www.abanet.org/disability>
________________________________
From: Mobley, Mary Lou [mailto:Mary.Lou.Mobley at ed.gov]
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:16 PM
To: Phelan, William
Subject: FW: USA JOBS --- SES Enforcement Directors

Bill,

Can you please post the announcement, below, on your listserv?

Hope all is well...

Take care,
-Mary Lou



The Office for Civil Rights at the United States Department of Education is advertising for two SES positions (Enforcement Directors), to be stationed in Washington, DC.  Please help us distribute these announcements to all qualified applicants who may be interested.

This link is for the 905 (attorney series)
http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=88155885&JobTitle=Enforcement+Director&q=Enforcement+director&where=Washington%2c+DC&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y&x=66&y=10&AVSDM=2010-05-17+14%3a51%3a00

This link is for the 360 (non-attorney series)
http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=88156145&JobTitle=Enforcement+Director&q=Enforcement+director&where=Washington%2c+DC&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y&x=66&y=10&AVSDM=2010-05-17+14%3a57%3a00

Thank you!


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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 22 02:45:31 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 19:45:31 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
In-Reply-To: <20100521022758.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>
References: <D6D6AE3E18E544828D5B7DA68AB7FC6D@elizabethrene><20100518020338.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com><1CF8D9DA85304DF3BFE2F74956559B24@spike>
	<20100521022758.rwayne1@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B11BFE0BE2AC480DAF923C2671AEF437@spike>

Being a self employed freelance paralegal there are lots of conventions that 
I ought to attend but as I need to promote my business which comes first 
there are many that I don't attend. In today's society there are other ways 
of being interactive than having to spend several hundred dollars in air 
fare and be unavailable to my clients for several days while attending a 
convention. I am still uncertain about whether I will be attending the 
convention in Dallas for these reasons. As my business activities do not 
involve a predominance of work with the blind I need to weigh all factors 
very carefully.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ray wayne" <rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re Research Technology - thank you


> It was not recorded. We have not, to my recollection, recorded our annual 
> meetings either, though our Mock Trials are available on CD. Call me a 
> stick in the mud, but I think these things need to be interactive. That's 
> not to say we wouldn't record the meetings in the future, but that's up to 
> our Board to decide.
>
> I don't know your situation, but I think you should think seriously about 
> coming to convention. You can listen to the presidential report and the 
> banquet address online, but you can't get the interpersonal interaction 
> unless you are there!
>
> Ray Wayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: unknown <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 16:49:21
> Subject: Re: [bllaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
>
>>
>>
>> Was this meeting recorded and will the Dallas meeting be broadcast or
>> recorded for those who might not be able to attend.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "ray wayne" <rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>
>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [bllaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
>>
>>
>> > We discussed some of this at our NABLIND meeting immediately following 
>> > the
>> > tenBroek Syposium in Baltimore last month. We will do so again this 
>> > summer
>> > in Dallas at our annual meeting. I hope you can make it to Dallas, and
>> > that you will come to our meeting. See agenda for time and location.
>> >
>> > Ray Wayne
>> > Secretary, National Assocíation of Blind Lawyers
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
>> > To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > Date: Monday, May 17, 2010 14:54:01
>> > Subject: [bllaw] Re Research Technology - thank you
>> >
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar Thanks to all of you who have sent your comments about using Westlaw 
>> >and
>> >ar Lexis with screen reader software.
>> >ar
>> >ar I'm very grateful to you.
>> >ar
>> >ar And please, if there's anyone who hasn't written yet about research
>> >ar technology and techniques for blind lawyers, keep writing!
>> >ar
>> >ar Here's some more grist for the mill.
>> >ar
>> >ar Does anyone know of a Braille or electronic version of the Uniform 
>> >System
>> >ar of
>> >ar Citation?
>> >ar
>> >ar What about the Restatements of the Law?
>> >ar
>> >ar How do you Shepherdize?
>> >ar
>> >ar How do you draft legislation and review bills in progress?
>> >ar
>> >ar How do you mark clerks papers on appeal?
>> >ar
>> >ar How do you prepare trial notebooks?
>> >ar
>> >ar What have been your best techniques for organizing and presenting 
>> >oral
>> >ar argument on appeal?
>> >ar
>> >ar I'm speaking of the use of technology re all of this.
>> >ar
>> >ar When I practiced, I didn't have any blind lawyers to talk to, so I 
>> >winged
>> >ar it
>> >ar a lot.  I tried cases at all levels of state court, and argued 
>> >regularly
>> >ar before my state's court of appeals and supreme court.  I also 
>> >conducted
>> >ar hearings and settlement conferences, and wrote formal opinions.
>> >ar
>> >ar So I'll share my experience and advice too, for what it's worth.
>> >ar
>> >ar Thanks,
>> >ar
>> >ar Elizabeth
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar
>> >ar _______________________________________________
>> >ar bllaw mailing list
>> >ar blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> >ar http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> >ar To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> >ar bllaw:
>> >ar 
>> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rwayne1%40nyc.rr.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > bllaw mailing list
>> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > bllaw:
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From b75205 at gmail.com  Sat May 22 15:05:58 2010
From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:05:58 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDdxrHwu7aQdCpQCfOdCkXmxOhjPE0roywm20i@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday Google
put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet Explorer
7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign document,
and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it into
the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly
like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up in
the press as an internet threat.

The game is still up.

Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going to
demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but I did not
have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely drowning out the
noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who was making off
hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never had
that happen before.

The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  Anyway have
you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an extreme moment?

James

From joramsey at cox.net  Sat May 22 16:44:15 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:44:15 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDdxrHwu7aQdCpQCfOdCkXmxOhjPE0roywm20i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C9CC3DD79C34C3AA61CB34ED9481532@noneeb869fea9a>

Hello James:
Fortunately I have not had that happen but I have noticed that the former
page www.google.com/ie is now an advertisement for IE 8. It used to be a
wonderful scaled down version of their search engine without all of the
descriptions and graphics in the results.
Take care,
John

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of James Pepper
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:06 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday Google
put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet Explorer
7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign document,
and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it into
the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got slow.
I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly like a
virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up in the
press as an internet threat.

The game is still up.

Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going to
demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but I did not
have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely drowning out the
noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who was making off
hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never had
that happen before.

The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  Anyway have
you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an extreme moment?

James
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From k7uij at panix.com  Sat May 22 17:25:47 2010
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:25:47 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
References: <3C9CC3DD79C34C3AA61CB34ED9481532@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <F64AF3AB7CBD408D9B1D3FE4B2AB6800@owner1e06aeb63>

IMO no great loss as the stripped-down version didn't have any headers to 
skip between search results. (grin)

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


> Hello James:
> Fortunately I have not had that happen but I have noticed that the former
> page www.google.com/ie is now an advertisement for IE 8. It used to be a
> wonderful scaled down version of their search engine without all of the
> descriptions and graphics in the results.
> Take care,
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of James Pepper
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
>
>
> Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday 
> Google
> put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet 
> Explorer
> 7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
> Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign 
> document,
> and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it 
> into
> the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
> slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
> annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got 
> slow.
> I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly like a
> virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up in the
> press as an internet threat.
>
> The game is still up.
>
> Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going to
> demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but I did 
> not
> have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
> thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely drowning out the
> noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
> people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who was making 
> off
> hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never 
> had
> that happen before.
>
> The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
> droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  Anyway 
> have
> you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an extreme moment?
>
> James
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From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 22 17:51:16 2010
From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:51:16 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
References: <AANLkTikDdxrHwu7aQdCpQCfOdCkXmxOhjPE0roywm20i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1934EE7ED2854827B29AA59A8789B673@HP8730notebook>

hi,

relax, it was a one day 30th anniversary celebration of the release of the 
pacman game.
hopefully it will disappear soon.
if you are good, you can jump to the search box quickly and type in your 
search and start getting results before the game automatically starts.
you could have also used yahoo instead.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


> Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday 
> Google
> put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet 
> Explorer
> 7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
> Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign 
> document,
> and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it 
> into
> the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
> slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
> annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
> slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly
> like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up 
> in
> the press as an internet threat.
>
> The game is still up.
>
> Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going to
> demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but I did 
> not
> have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
> thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely drowning out the
> noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
> people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who was making 
> off
> hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never 
> had
> that happen before.
>
> The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
> droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  Anyway 
> have
> you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an extreme moment?
>
> James
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From joramsey at cox.net  Sat May 22 19:15:40 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:15:40 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <1934EE7ED2854827B29AA59A8789B673@HP8730notebook>
Message-ID: <121263641E0B49D1A52FDF4A1E09D554@noneeb869fea9a>

Does anyone know of a text based search site?

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:51 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


hi,

relax, it was a one day 30th anniversary celebration of the release of the 
pacman game.
hopefully it will disappear soon.
if you are good, you can jump to the search box quickly and type in your 
search and start getting results before the game automatically starts. you
could have also used yahoo instead.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


> Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday
> Google
> put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet 
> Explorer
> 7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
> Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign 
> document,
> and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it 
> into
> the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
> slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
> annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
> slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly
> like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up 
> in
> the press as an internet threat.
>
> The game is still up.
>
> Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going 
> to demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but 
> I did not have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that 
> I had this thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely 
> drowning out the noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see 
> how it would annoy people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  
> one guy who was making off
> hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never 
> had
> that happen before.
>
> The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it 
> kept droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  
> Anyway have you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an 
> extreme moment?
>
> James
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 22 20:09:50 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:09:50 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
References: <121263641E0B49D1A52FDF4A1E09D554@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <00a901caf9ea$bc82c270$6601a8c0@server>

Hi John,
Gail posted a modified google option yesterday and it looks pretty good.  It 
is similar to the old one which ended with /IE.  The new address is:

http://labs.google.com/accessible/

Actually it looks a little better then our old one because this gives a line 
or so of text from the site.  Let me know what you think.
Best,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


> Does anyone know of a text based search site?
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this communication 
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> error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated printed
> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please be
> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
> communication or the information it contains may result in criminal and/or
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> John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
> uncomfortable with such risks, you may decide not to use email to
> communicate with John Ramsey.  Please contact us immediately at (352)
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:51 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
>
>
> hi,
>
> relax, it was a one day 30th anniversary celebration of the release of the
> pacman game.
> hopefully it will disappear soon.
> if you are good, you can jump to the search box quickly and type in your
> search and start getting results before the game automatically starts. you
> could have also used yahoo instead.
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:05 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
>
>
>> Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday
>> Google
>> put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet
>> Explorer
>> 7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
>> Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign
>> document,
>> and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it
>> into
>> the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
>> slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
>> annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
>> slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly
>> like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up
>> in
>> the press as an internet threat.
>>
>> The game is still up.
>>
>> Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going
>> to demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but
>> I did not have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that
>> I had this thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely
>> drowning out the noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see
>> how it would annoy people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of
>> one guy who was making off
>> hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never
>> had
>> that happen before.
>>
>> The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it
>> kept droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.
>> Anyway have you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an
>> extreme moment?
>>
>> James
>> _______________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat May 22 21:00:19 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:00:19 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <121263641E0B49D1A52FDF4A1E09D554@noneeb869fea9a>
References: <1934EE7ED2854827B29AA59A8789B673@HP8730notebook>
	<121263641E0B49D1A52FDF4A1E09D554@noneeb869fea9a>
Message-ID: <auto-000154759789@mailfront1.g2host.com>

By definition virtually all search sites are text-based.  I suspect 
you are asking a different question?

Dave

At 02:15 PM 5/22/2010, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of a text based search site?

                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
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From joramsey at cox.net  Sat May 22 21:38:39 2010
From: joramsey at cox.net (John Ramsey)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:38:39 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <auto-000154759789@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <94D57D2D51CF4250B9A9E0CFAFB65B70@noneeb869fea9a>

Yes Dave,
I was not trying to get too technical. I believe Dennis has answered my
question.

John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.

P.O. Box 6063

Gainesville, FL 32627   

Phone: (352) 505-6642

Fax: (352) 240-6453

This communication contains information that may be confidential and/or
legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual or
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John Ramsey cannot assure that the messages are secure.  If you are
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505-6642 if you decide not to use email.  You must also be aware that email
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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:00 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7


By definition virtually all search sites are text-based.  I suspect 
you are asking a different question?

Dave

At 02:15 PM 5/22/2010, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of a text based search site?

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From emrene at earthlink.net  Sat May 22 22:46:28 2010
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:46:28 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors
Message-ID: <61DD3B690570462B96FD3C2740DF3B48@elizabethrene>

What is the SES?

Elizabeth 




From LBlake at nfb.org  Mon May 24 12:28:31 2010
From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:28:31 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] 2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium
Message-ID: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B028D178D@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>

Dear Blindlaw list members:
 
Links to recordings of the plenary sessions and keynote addresses from
the 2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium are now available on
the symposium Web page.  Go to http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Law_Symposium.asp
to hear:
 
Theme Keynote Address

Tony Coelho, Chairman of the Board, American Association of People with
Disabilities

 

Panel I--Changing the Game

Presenter: Richard Brown, Chief Judge, Wisconsin Court of Appeals

Presenter: David Ferleger, Esquire, Law Office of David Ferleger

 

2010 Keynote Address

Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General, Civil Rights Division, United
States Department of Justice

 

Panel II--Education Plenary Session

Presenter: Leslie Seid Margolis, Managing Attorney, Education Unit,
Maryland Disability Law Center

Presenter: Mark Weber, Vincent dePaul Professor of Law, DePaul
University College of Law

 

Panel III--Caucus/Open Discussion

Facilitator: Andrew Imparato, President and CEO, American Association of
People with Disabilities

 

Panel IV--Access to Technology Plenary Session

Presenter: Dan Goldstein, Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP

Presenter: Mehgan Sidhu, Esquire, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP

 

Panel V--Medical Treatment/Ethics Plenary Session

Presenter: Adrienne Asch, Director, Center for Ethics, Yeshiva
University

Presenter, Dan Brock, Director, Division of Medical Ethics, Harvard
Medical School

 
 
Lou Ann Blake, J.D.
Law Symposium Coordinator
Jacobus tenBroek Library
Jernigan Institute
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
200 East Wells Street
    at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221
Fax: (410) 659-5129
E-mail: lblake at nfb.org <mailto:lblake at nfb.org> 
Web site: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org/> 
 
  
 

From cathrynisfinally at verizon.net  Mon May 24 15:12:35 2010
From: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net (Cathryn Bonnette)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:12:35 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors
In-Reply-To: <61DD3B690570462B96FD3C2740DF3B48@elizabethrene>
References: <61DD3B690570462B96FD3C2740DF3B48@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <2F5F354494254F899E03219978F8A112@14bd0130080a469>

Elizabeth- and all,

SES stands for Senior Executive Service" and is at grade level 15 or above.

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Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:46 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors

What is the SES?

Elizabeth 



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From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 24 15:27:44 2010
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:27:44 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors
References: <61DD3B690570462B96FD3C2740DF3B48@elizabethrene>
	<2F5F354494254F899E03219978F8A112@14bd0130080a469>
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors


> Elizabeth- and all,
>
> SES stands for Senior Executive Service" and is at grade level 15 or 
> above.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:46 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] SES Enforcement Directors
>
> What is the SES?
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
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From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 24 15:35:32 2010
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:35:32 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
Message-ID: <615C943FB3C4428D8C2A769BFC60DDF8@DANELLIEVANDAWN>

I am a user of JAWS for accessibility to computers.  Yesterday, a friend gave me a short demonstration of the Universal Accessibility program on his Apple McIntosh.  I am, also, aware that Windows Vista and 07 come with similar programs called Windows Narrator.

Is there anyone out there that is utilizing said programs in lieu of JAWS.  I would appreciate your input regarding said programs.

Dan McBride, Attorney
Fort Worth, Texas

From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Mon May 24 18:42:47 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:42:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
In-Reply-To: <615C943FB3C4428D8C2A769BFC60DDF8@DANELLIEVANDAWN>
Message-ID: <186150.2276.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


The programs on windows require a use of a mouse.  Therefore, they are not accessible to individuals who do not use a mouse.
--- On Mon, 5/24/10, dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 11:35 AM
> I am a user of JAWS for accessibility
> to computers.  Yesterday, a friend gave me a short
> demonstration of the Universal Accessibility program on his
> Apple McIntosh.  I am, also, aware that Windows Vista
> and 07 come with similar programs called Windows Narrator.
> 
> Is there anyone out there that is utilizing said programs
> in lieu of JAWS.  I would appreciate your input
> regarding said programs.
> 
> Dan McBride, Attorney
> Fort Worth, Texas
> _______________________________________________
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> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Mon May 24 18:42:57 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:42:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
In-Reply-To: <615C943FB3C4428D8C2A769BFC60DDF8@DANELLIEVANDAWN>
Message-ID: <904984.29624.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


The programs on windows require a use of a mouse.  Therefore, they are not accessible to individuals who do not use a mouse.
--- On Mon, 5/24/10, dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 11:35 AM
> I am a user of JAWS for accessibility
> to computers.  Yesterday, a friend gave me a short
> demonstration of the Universal Accessibility program on his
> Apple McIntosh.  I am, also, aware that Windows Vista
> and 07 come with similar programs called Windows Narrator.
> 
> Is there anyone out there that is utilizing said programs
> in lieu of JAWS.  I would appreciate your input
> regarding said programs.
> 
> Dan McBride, Attorney
> Fort Worth, Texas
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From dravant at ameritech.net  Mon May 24 19:09:51 2010
From: dravant at ameritech.net (denise avant)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 12:09:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
In-Reply-To: <615C943FB3C4428D8C2A769BFC60DDF8@DANELLIEVANDAWN>
Message-ID: <115360.83766.qm@web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,
narrator is not an option in windows. you only want to use that when you're without jfw for whatever reason to inspect the screen. as for apple's voiceover, there is a list, and if you're contimeplating getting an appel, go to www.maccessibility.net, and look for the link regarding the mac, and signing up on the macvisionaries list. also, if you're attending the nfb convention this year in dallas, apple reps will be there.

f--- On Mon, 5/24/10, dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 10:35 AM


I am a user of JAWS for accessibility to computers.  Yesterday, a friend gave me a short demonstration of the Universal Accessibility program on his Apple McIntosh.  I am, also, aware that Windows Vista and 07 come with similar programs called Windows Narrator.

Is there anyone out there that is utilizing said programs in lieu of JAWS.  I would appreciate your input regarding said programs.

Dan McBride, Attorney
Fort Worth, Texas
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 24 21:46:20 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:46:20 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options
In-Reply-To: <615C943FB3C4428D8C2A769BFC60DDF8@DANELLIEVANDAWN>
References: <615C943FB3C4428D8C2A769BFC60DDF8@DANELLIEVANDAWN>
Message-ID: <9F94A8D053E44A38AA439A2883D2D78C@spike>

The functionality of those programs is rudimentary at best. You do not have 
the same degree of control of reading functions such as spped and delivery 
that you would have with an actual screen reader like JAWS. They work well 
for trouble shooting or at times when JAWS is disabled for some reason.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:35 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] accessibility options


>I am a user of JAWS for accessibility to computers.  Yesterday, a friend 
>gave me a short demonstration of the Universal Accessibility program on his 
>Apple McIntosh.  I am, also, aware that Windows Vista and 07 come with 
>similar programs called Windows Narrator.
>
> Is there anyone out there that is utilizing said programs in lieu of JAWS. 
> I would appreciate your input regarding said programs.
>
> Dan McBride, Attorney
> Fort Worth, Texas
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From cathrynisfinally at verizon.net  Mon May 24 22:16:18 2010
From: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net (Cathryn Bonnette)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:16:18 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDdxrHwu7aQdCpQCfOdCkXmxOhjPE0roywm20i@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikDdxrHwu7aQdCpQCfOdCkXmxOhjPE0roywm20i@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A90E6C3B88814D3C888305D9BDB45168@14bd0130080a469>

James,

I've had similar experiences in government agency meetings regardless of the
volume level. For people who are not used to hearing the computer voice, the
effect is annoying.

Cathryn

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of James Pepper
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:06 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7

Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and yesterday Google
put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze Internet Explorer
7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my InDesign document,
and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just loaded it into
the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is invasive and it
slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game but it just
annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect was exactly
like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it didn't show up in
the press as an internet threat.

The game is still up.

Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen reader going to
demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant but I did not
have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely drowning out the
noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who was making off
hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit extreme. Never had
that happen before.

The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.  Anyway have
you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an extreme moment?

James
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Mon May 24 22:40:35 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:40:35 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <A90E6C3B88814D3C888305D9BDB45168@14bd0130080a469>
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Frankly, even as a blind person who understands a screen reader, I would
find a chattering computer more than distracting, perhaps even more so
because I could understand the chattering.  In cases where I am taking notes
at a meeting I simply use an earpiece to comfortably take notes and
participate in the meeting in progress.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cathryn Bonnette
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:16 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7

James,

I've had similar experiences in government agency meetings 
regardless of the
volume level. For people who are not used to hearing the 
computer voice, the
effect is annoying.

Cathryn

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of James Pepper
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:06 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7

Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and 
yesterday Google
put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze 
Internet Explorer
7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my 
InDesign document,
and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just 
loaded it into
the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is 
invasive and it
slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game 
but it just
annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect 
was exactly
like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it 
didn't show up in
the press as an internet threat.

The game is still up.

Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen 
reader going to
demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant 
but I did not
have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely 
drowning out the
noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who 
was making off
hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit 
extreme. Never had
that happen before.

The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do. 
 Anyway have
you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an 
extreme moment?

James
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From DFrye at nfb.org  Mon May 24 22:54:51 2010
From: DFrye at nfb.org (Frye, Dan)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:54:51 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Rod of Philadelphia
Message-ID: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B028D1C6C@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>

Rod:
 
I need to find you, the attorney licensed in Pennsylvania and New
jersey. If you remain on this list, please contact me off list using the
detail below in my signature block. Thank you.
 
With Kind Regards,
 
***********************
Daniel B. Frye, J.D.
Editor
The Braille Monitor
National Federation of the Blind
Office of the President
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21230
Telephone: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2208
Mobile: (410) 241-7006
Fax: (410) 685-5653
Email: DFrye at nfb.org
Web Address: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org/> 
"Voice of the Nation's Blind"
 

From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 25 01:45:15 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 18:45:15 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Rod of Philadelphia
References: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B028D1C6C@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>
Message-ID: <00d201cafbab$ec56a080$6601a8c0@server>

Hi Dan,
I am pretty sure that Rod's email address is:

Attorney at alcidonislaw.com <Attorney at alcidonislaw.com>

He posted on the list within the past couple of weeks.
All the best,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frye, Dan" <DFrye at nfb.org>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:54 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Rod of Philadelphia


> Rod:
>
> I need to find you, the attorney licensed in Pennsylvania and New
> jersey. If you remain on this list, please contact me off list using the
> detail below in my signature block. Thank you.
>
> With Kind Regards,
>
> ***********************
> Daniel B. Frye, J.D.
> Editor
> The Braille Monitor
> National Federation of the Blind
> Office of the President
> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
> Baltimore, Maryland 21230
> Telephone: (410) 659-9314 Ext. 2208
> Mobile: (410) 241-7006
> Fax: (410) 685-5653
> Email: DFrye at nfb.org
> Web Address: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org/>
> "Voice of the Nation's Blind"
>
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From attorney at alcidonislaw.com  Tue May 25 13:57:30 2010
From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esquire.)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:57:30 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Rod of Philadelphia
In-Reply-To: <00d201cafbab$ec56a080$6601a8c0@server>
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	<00d201cafbab$ec56a080$6601a8c0@server>
Message-ID: <905492B877F14B36A339E2C1BE09BA23@LawOfficePC>

Hello friends:

I have replied to Dan off-list as he requested.

Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
Philadelphia, PA 19111
Tel: (215) 305-8085
Fax: (215) 525-0999
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From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:45 PM
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Rod of Philadelphia

> Hi Dan,
> I am pretty sure that Rod's email address is:
>
> Attorney at alcidonislaw.com <Attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
>
> He posted on the list within the past couple of weeks.
> All the best,
> Dennis
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From tom at tomladis.com  Tue May 25 17:01:24 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:01:24 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Pomaro to host meeting for blind lawyers
Message-ID: <C3BE4A472C3746F19EBCDBAE3A12B99B@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>



  Pomaro to host meeting for blind lawyers
  By Maria Kantzavelos
  Law Bulletin staff writer




  Nicholas T. Pomaro is well aware of the difficulties associated with a 
tight job market for lawyers looking for work in the current economic 
climate.

  But those problems, he said, "are tenfold for a blind person."

  "This is not sour grapes. This is just a reality," said Pomaro, a retired 
Cook County associate judge and former prosecutor who is blind. "Blind 
people, in general, have difficulty in finding work because, if they are 
able to do the work, the natural fears that sighted people have of blind 
people - the assumption is, they can't do certain things."

  Pomaro, who has been blind since age six, was told by a school 
administrator during law school that he could never be a trial attorney 
because he couldn't see facial expressions of witnesses and jurors. He 
graduated from The John Marshall Law School in 1964 and for about a decade 
before he rose to the bench, Pomaro worked as an assistant Cook County 
state's attorney prosecuting criminal felony cases.

  "It's true. I can't see facial expressions; I can't see body language. But 
a well-dressed, beautiful woman isn't necessarily truthful," Pomaro said. "I 
think I get much more out of voice inflections than other people do. . You 
learn to compensate. I lack sight, but I think I've developed other 
instincts."

  Pomaro retired from the bench in 2005. Today, he runs the Kane Legal 
Clinic located at The Chicago Lighthouse, 1850 W. Roosevelt Road.

  The clinic provides free legal services to blind or visually impaired 
people on low-incomes who seek representation in matters such as those 
related to job discrimination, social security, tax issues, and other civil 
matters, as well as assistance in criminal defense.

  But beginning at 1:30 p.m. on June 3, the clinic is scheduled to be the 
place where visually impaired and blind lawyers in the Chicago area are to 
meet in an effort to share mutual concerns, as well as to gauge support for 
forming a local association of blind attorneys and blind people interested 
in pursuing careers in law.

  Pomaro is serving as the meeting's host.

  "The thought was, there are a number of blind attorneys in the Chicagoland 
area," he said. "I think many attorneys nowadays are struggling because of 
the economy. And I know there are people who are visually impaired and 
thinking of the law as a profession. I thought it might be a good idea to 
get visually impaired people who are lawyers, or interested in the law, to 
discuss problems or issues that are unique to the visually impaired 
community and, with those discussions, see if we can help people."

  The gathering will serve as a brainstorming session, Pomaro said, to 
explore ideas of how local blind lawyers could network and help one another.

  For example, "I don't know how good of an idea it is, but I have never 
heard of a law firm made up of blind attorneys," Pomaro said. "Usually 
attorneys have specialties, and maybe you can find three, four or five who 
have particular skills in particular areas of the law, and they can form a 
loose association and refer cases to each other, or help each other out, or 
form a law firm."

  The former judge also hopes the forum will provide inspiration to newer 
attorneys who are blind, or to blind people interested in pursuing a career 
in law.

  When Pomaro was starting out, he said, "It was very helpful to me to know 
that other blind people succeeded in other fields."

  By late last week, Pomaro said, about 20 visually impaired and blind law 
students and attorneys responded to his call for a meeting, including 
several veteran attorneys.

  "Letting people know that it can be done, that these are blind people who 
have made it in these various areas of the law, I think, is helpful to 
them," Pomaro said. "We're trying to give people hope. It was important to 
me, and I think it's important to everyone to have hope."

  Pomaro pointed out the existence of the National Association of Blind 
Lawyers, a membership organization of blind attorneys, law students, judges 
and others in the law field that provides support and information regarding 
employment, techniques used by the blind, advocacy, laws affecting the blind 
and other issues for blind lawyers. But he said he is not aware of an 
association for lawyers in the Chicago area.

  Anthony J. Thomas, an assistant Cook County public defender in the Felony 
Trial Division, serves as an officer in the National Association of Blind 
Lawyers. A local association for blind and visually impaired lawyers to 
share resources and expertise, he said, sounds like a good idea.

  "Attorneys who are blind have different kinds of issues with which to deal 
than does a sighted attorney," Thomas said. "And, other blind attorneys who 
have gone through the process of going to school and getting an education, 
and dealing with the job market and how people respond to you in the 
practice of law - all those things come into play. And sometimes people can 
share information in terms of how to problem solve when certain situations 
arise."

  Assistant U.S. Attorney Yusef A. Dale, who was legally blind at birth and 
became totally blind at age 23, said there are plenty "tricks of the trade" 
that could be shared via a local association of blind lawyers.

  "There are blind lawyers who are practicing successfully out here," Dale 
said. "That's one of the reasons this organization is needed - to bridge 
that gap and exchange ideas of how best to bridge that gap."

  Blind lawyers, Dale said, generally have a disproportionate difficulty in 
getting hired, "Particularly because it's commonly believed, incorrectly so, 
that sight is paramount to being a good lawyer because it is so print 
driven."

  The federal prosecutor who serves in the financial crimes and special 
prosecutions unit in Chicago said being prepared with "all your tools in 
your tool box" is key to making it work. Those tools, he said, could be the 
technology tools such as computers with Braille keyboards and special screen 
reading software, as well as human resources.

  Thomas counts himself among the fortunate ones in that he was hired for 
the one job for which he applied after law school. He has been serving in 
the public defender's office since 1986.

  "My situation is not typical of most people," he said. "Most people I have 
talked to have told stories about how they've interviewed at dozens of 
places and have been shut out."

  Thomas has been totally blind since he was 8. Born with glaucoma and no 
sight in his left eye and limited sight in his right eye, he was totally 
blinded when he was struck in the right eye while wrestling with another 
boy.

  As a trial lawyer who appears each day in the Criminal Courts Building at 
26th Street and California Avenue, Thomas has an assistant who has been 
hired by the county to read and write for him. The assistant also 
accompanies him to court, as well as to investigations of crime scenes and 
to interviews with clients and witnesses.

  "One of the things that I've experienced in my practice is that many 
people who are surprised when they meet me and discover I'm blind, after 
they talk to me for a few minutes, whatever feelings of trepidation they 
might have had dissipated," Thomas said.

  Thomas said he has mentored many blind people interested in practicing 
law. He often finds himself offering this advice: "If you believe in 
yourself and if you project a positive, confident demeanor and image to your 
client, your client will not see you as a blind lawyer, your client will see 
you as their lawyer."

  "What you are doing for the client starts in your mind," Thomas said. "The 
client has to believe in you. And the client cannot believe in you if you 
don't believe in yourself."

  For more information about the upcoming meeting for blind lawyers and 
students, call Pomaro at (312) 666-1331, ext. 3112.





From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 25 20:13:36 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:13:36 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Law Firm Management Software
Message-ID: <019901cafc46$c2013610$6601a8c0@server>

Hello Everyone,
Has anyone had any success using jaws or WindowEyes with any of the law firm management packages?  In particular I am thinking of Time Slips or Amicus Attorney but I am willing to purchase which ever management package is most accessible.  I am currently using Jaws but if WindowEyes will work better with a law firm management package I will go that direction.  Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Warmest regards,
Dennis

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Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:34:27 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: 2010-2011 ABA Division for Public Services Clerkship
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From tom at tomladis.com  Wed May 26 12:11:01 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 07:11:01 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
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Hello Dennis and All,

Sorry to have dropped off for a while.  I have been trying to catch up with 
the reading that I have been able to do.  Kaplan has not yet provided the 
books in PDF files that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what 
they have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting issues due 
to table conversion issues.  I have also not done any of their online 
exercises.  Once I am able to take the LSAT in June I will have more time to 
pursue all of these issues with Kaplan.

At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing to act as a 
reader / scribe for my first practice exam.  To my amazement, after using 
the Princeton Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was 
able to score a 137.  Not great or high enough to get into many schools, but 
probably a good first attempt.

I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have not verified her 
statement, that the LSAT is being administered on a computer starting this 
year.  If that is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that 
will put everyone into the same ball park.  They are still going to provide 
my test in a printed format along with a reader and scribe.  This tells me 
that they are not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen 
reader application.  She reported that people did not like the computer 
format because it did not allow them to do their roadmaps and notation on 
the booklet, which is how Kaplan trains test takers.

More later as I try to get another practice exam or three done before the 
actual test.

Dennis.  I will call you today to try to arrange sending the Lesson Book PDF 
to see if you have any better luck with the tables.  I have just been 
avoiding the question text that got jumbled during conversion, and 
appreciate your offer of support.



Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hello Tom,
I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for about 20 years now
since I graduated  from law school and I have had some success over the
years dealing with the LSAC.  I would be happy to convert the PDF's that
Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you can do with Open
Book.  The files are too large to be sent as email attachments but if we can
talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file transfer service
that I use.  I would also like to talk with you about the legal problems
raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.  Over the years I have
taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was accessible, but
my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.  However, the ADA has
been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they get their act
together and provide complete course accessibility.  Please give me a call
if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244.  I am located in California,
but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois.  I look forward to
talking with you.
Warmest regards,
Dennis Clark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very difficult to work with
to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email instead of human
interaction. They are not willing to give much  information over the phone,
and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter in PDF files for
me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see them add some more check boxes
to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations advisors to people
who are blind.

Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended Kaplan, but it appears
that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText and when you need
to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files all seem to have
formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke with Freedom Scientific
about the problem and their conclusion is that the  files are not formatted
to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF files using OpenBook and
saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of junk in the file
because of their multi column structure and the books being for the Premier
classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to keep up with a class
when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded in the test is a
problem.

It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just trying to level
the playing field for blind people who are already in or trying to get into
the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the playing field leveled and
attorney fees paid are welcome.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Hi Tom,

I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine was online
and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions of the study
materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the PDF files with
ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe were
flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much less accessible, as
the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor jumbped
around the screen at random.

In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through LSAC.  Kaplan had
nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the LSAT in Tokyo
last September and again last December.

One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to prepare for
the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on test day.  I
prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2 options by
LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test book, or 2. a
human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print difficult
for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able to read only 14
or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short periods of
time.  To make a long story short, my test day score was 15 points
lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons aside, the
nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge factor in
my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a human reader to
help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what the implications
are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.

If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge you to meet
with them in person prior to test day and assess their reading skills
at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear, competent, and have
the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for them to meet
with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening and
acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem them unfit
for the task.

After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last year, I
asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a computer using
Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not possible at
this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a computer-based
alternative in the future, and the representative repeated flatly "No,
not at this time."  I have since learned that two of my acquaintances
in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to write on
test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.  I would not go
so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their accommodation
decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is clear to me
that the playing field is far from level.

I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in some way,
and I wish you the best of luck on test day!

Regards,
Derek Wilson
www.twitter.com/culturemate
http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate

On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
> I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but the class has 
> started
> and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to get me the PDF files 
> just
> 3 days before the class started.  My fault for starting late and I have 
> not
> been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to deal with getting me
> the materials in a JAWS friendly format.   I was finally able to get
> OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not the greatest 
> solution
> either.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Tom
>
> Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you need and why. Kaplan 
> has
> demonstrated to me times and again that they are committed to complying 
> with
> the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be perfect. Have a
> constructive dialog with them.
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
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> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested the course material in
>> a digital format.  They sent the material on a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
>> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not manageable by JAWS.
>>
>>  I got what I asked for, but it is not usable.   Kaplan has not been able
>> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>>
>> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30 megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> document?
>>
>> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for providing a reader and scribe
>> for the practice tests?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Wed May 26 15:35:47 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:35:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
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You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software" and online exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were from local agencies who volunteered there time.  I would start to make consumer complaints since you are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> Hello Dennis and All,
> 
> Sorry to have dropped off for a while.  I have been
> trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to
> do.  Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files
> that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they
> have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting
> issues due to table conversion issues.  I have also not
> done any of their online exercises.  Once I am able to
> take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of
> these issues with Kaplan.
> 
> At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing
> to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> exam.  To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was
> able to score a 137.  Not great or high enough to get
> into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
> 
> I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have
> not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> administered on a computer starting this year.  If that
> is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that
> will put everyone into the same ball park.  They are
> still going to provide my test in a printed format along
> with a reader and scribe.  This tells me that they are
> not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen
> reader application.  She reported that people did not
> like the computer format because it did not allow them to do
> their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how
> Kaplan trains test takers.
> 
> More later as I try to get another practice exam or three
> done before the actual test.
> 
> Dennis.  I will call you today to try to arrange
> sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better
> luck with the tables.  I have just been avoiding the
> question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> appreciate your offer of support.
> 
> 
> 
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated  from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC.  I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book.  The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use.  I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course. 
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA. 
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility. 
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244.  I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois.  I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Thanks for all of the great info.  LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date.  They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much 
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view.  Funny, huh?  I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
> 
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different.  The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged.  I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the 
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible.  They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes.  Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
> 
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession.  Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
> 
> 
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced.  Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well.  I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes.  They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
> 
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC.  Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this.  I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
> 
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day.  I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font.  I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time.  To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance.  As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited.  I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
> 
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level.  They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours.  LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
> 
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time."  I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology. 
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
> 
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
> 
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
> 
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind.  It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started.  My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format.   I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> > 
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > 
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> > 
> > 
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
> > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
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> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > 
> >> Hello All.
> >> 
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format.  They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files.  Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >> 
> >>  I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable.   Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >> 
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >> 
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
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From b75205 at gmail.com  Wed May 26 19:58:34 2010
From: b75205 at gmail.com (James Pepper)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:58:34 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
In-Reply-To: <3D05BE5B61DA41B1A24B3035988F2A24@Rufus>
References: <AANLkTikDdxrHwu7aQdCpQCfOdCkXmxOhjPE0roywm20i@mail.gmail.com>
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Well I was demonstrating my process of accessibility and it was only for a
minute and I was closing it down when these people arrived and got very hot
and heavy in a short period of time.  It was an immediate effect.

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:

> Frankly, even as a blind person who understands a screen reader, I would
> find a chattering computer more than distracting, perhaps even more so
> because I could understand the chattering.  In cases where I am taking
> notes
> at a meeting I simply use an earpiece to comfortably take notes and
> participate in the meeting in progress.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cathryn Bonnette
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:16 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>  Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
>
> James,
>
> I've had similar experiences in government agency meetings
> regardless of the
> volume level. For people who are not used to hearing the
> computer voice, the
> effect is annoying.
>
> Cathryn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of James Pepper
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] Google home page is wrecking IE 7
>
> Hello, I used Internet Explorer 7 because I have JAWS 8 and
> yesterday Google
> put a game on its main page which was pacman.  This froze
> Internet Explorer
> 7, I had to upgrade  to IE 8 to get work done.  Not only that but I use
> Adobe InDesign and it placed an image of the game into my
> InDesign document,
> and that image was not on th epage I was working on, it just
> loaded it into
> the document.  It was lucky I found it.  So this thing is
> invasive and it
> slows down the Internet.  So everyone seemed to like the game
> but it just
> annihilated productivity and it disabled the computer, everything got
> slow. I kno wit was Google who did this, but to me the effect
> was exactly
> like a virus.  But everyone was happy with the game so it
> didn't show up in
> the press as an internet threat.
>
> The game is still up.
>
> Also I was in a restaurant the other day and had a screen
> reader going to
> demonstrate a process and it was a bit noisy in the restaurant
> but I did not
> have the volume up that much but people were infuriated that I had this
> thing going. It was not that loud, people were definitely
> drowning out the
> noise but it as continuously speaking and I can see how it would annoy
> people.  I turned it off but it was a matter of  one guy who
> was making off
> hand remarks about beating me up that I thought was a bit
> extreme. Never had
> that happen before.
>
> The screen reader was going along speaking continuously and yes it kept
> droning on about the page contents, well you know what they do.
>  Anyway have
> you all encountered anything like this, or was this ust an
> extreme moment?
>
> James
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From JHartle at nfb.org  Thu May 27 02:48:00 2010
From: JHartle at nfb.org (Hartle,
	Jesse)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:48:00 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Legislative Alert - Motor Vehicle Safety Act
Message-ID: <auto-000155390484@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Dear Fellow Federationists:

I am writing to report that all of our hard work on the issue of 
silent cars is paying off.  Language that will protect the blind and 
others from the danger posed by silent hybrid and electric vehicles 
has been favorably reported to the United States House of 
Representatives by the Committee on Energy and Commerce as part of 
the Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 2010 (H.R. 5381).  This legislation, 
which is a comprehensive bill to address numerous vehicle safety 
issues raised by the recent Toyota recalls, now includes language 
agreed to by the National Federation of the Blind, the Alliance of 
Automobile Manufacturers, and the Association of International 
Automobile Manufacturers.  If passed by the House of Representatives 
and adopted by the Senate, this language will require the Department 
of Transportation to issue regulations requiring a minimum sound 
standard for hybrid and electric automobiles.

This victory is a product of our hard work and the cooperation of the 
automobile industry, but we will need to remain vigilant to make sure 
this bill becomes law.  We will keep you apprised of developments and 
let you know if action needs to be taken to secure this victory.

Thank you again for all you do.

Sincerely,


Jesse M. Hartle
Government Programs Specialist
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
Telephone:  (410) 659-9314, extension 2233
E-mail: <mailto:jhartle at nfb.org>jhartle at nfb.org
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From tom at tomladis.com  Thu May 27 14:20:18 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:20:18 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
References: <553176.44406.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9720AC68866B42FBA15B9D082F15B171@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

This has all been a big drag.  Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned 
and will be representing me to get things straightened out and wake them up 
a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do something under a 
cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It may take litigation 
to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it one step at a 
time.


Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the spirit of the ADA 
legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them until they can 
level things off for the next guy.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software" and online 
exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were from local agencies who 
volunteered there time.  I would start to make consumer complaints since you 
are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom Ladis 
<tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> Hello Dennis and All,
>
> Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
> trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to
> do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files
> that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they
> have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting
> issues due to table conversion issues. I have also not
> done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
> take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of
> these issues with Kaplan.
>
> At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing
> to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was
> able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
> into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
>
> I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have
> not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> administered on a computer starting this year. If that
> is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that
> will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
> still going to provide my test in a printed format along
> with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
> not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen
> reader application. She reported that people did not
> like the computer format because it did not allow them to do
> their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how
> Kaplan trains test takers.
>
> More later as I try to get another practice exam or three
> done before the actual test.
>
> Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
> sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better
> luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
> question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> appreciate your offer of support.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility.
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
>
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
>
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
>
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC. Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
>
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day. I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
>
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
>
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
>
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format. I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> >
> >
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
> > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
> >
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> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >> Hello All.
> >>
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >>
> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable. Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >>
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
> >> _______________________________________________
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From squierr at comcast.net  Thu May 27 17:09:30 2010
From: squierr at comcast.net (Renee Squier)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:09:30 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
References: <553176.44406.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<9720AC68866B42FBA15B9D082F15B171@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <14ec01cafdbf$5f1a2410$6701a8c0@BECKY>

Hi Tom and all,
I to am studying for the LSAT in June.
Tom could you please contact me off list at squierr at comcast.net.
Thank you all for some of the most interesting conversations.
Renee

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


This has all been a big drag.  Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned
and will be representing me to get things straightened out and wake them up
a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do something under a
cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It may take litigation
to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it one step at a
time.


Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the spirit of the ADA
legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them until they can
level things off for the next guy.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software" and online
exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were from local agencies who
volunteered there time.  I would start to make consumer complaints since you
are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom Ladis
<tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> Hello Dennis and All,
>
> Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
> trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to
> do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files
> that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they
> have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting
> issues due to table conversion issues. I have also not
> done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
> take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of
> these issues with Kaplan.
>
> At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing
> to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was
> able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
> into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
>
> I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have
> not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> administered on a computer starting this year. If that
> is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that
> will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
> still going to provide my test in a printed format along
> with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
> not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen
> reader application. She reported that people did not
> like the computer format because it did not allow them to do
> their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how
> Kaplan trains test takers.
>
> More later as I try to get another practice exam or three
> done before the actual test.
>
> Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
> sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better
> luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
> question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> appreciate your offer of support.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility.
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
>
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
>
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
>
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC. Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
>
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day. I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
>
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
>
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
>
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format. I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> >
> >
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
> > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
> >
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> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >> Hello All.
> >>
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >>
> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable. Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >>
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
> >> _______________________________________________
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Thu May 27 21:01:34 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <9720AC68866B42FBA15B9D082F15B171@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
Message-ID: <912239.25343.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Agreed.  Let me know what I can do to help when or if needed.


--- On Thu, 5/27/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 10:20 AM
> This has all been a big drag. 
> Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned 
> and will be representing me to get things straightened out
> and wake them up 
> a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do
> something under a 
> cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It
> may take litigation 
> to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it
> one step at a 
> time.
> 
> 
> Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the
> spirit of the ADA 
> legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them
> until they can 
> level things off for the next guy.
> 
> 
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> 
> 
> You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software"
> and online 
> exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were
> from local agencies who 
> volunteered there time.  I would start to make
> consumer complaints since you 
> are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom
> Ladis 
> <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> > Hello Dennis and All,
> >
> > Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
> > trying to catch up with the reading that I have been
> able to
> > do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF
> files
> > that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what
> they
> > have sent me but not reading the stuff that has
> formatting
> > issues due to table conversion issues. I have also
> not
> > done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
> > take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue
> all of
> > these issues with Kaplan.
> >
> > At this point, I was able to find a friend who was
> willing
> > to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> > exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> > Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section,
> I was
> > able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
> > into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
> >
> > I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I
> have
> > not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> > administered on a computer starting this year. If
> that
> > is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction
> that
> > will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
> > still going to provide my test in a printed format
> along
> > with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
> > not able to administer the test with JAWS or another
> screen
> > reader application. She reported that people did not
> > like the computer format because it did not allow them
> to do
> > their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is
> how
> > Kaplan trains test takers.
> >
> > More later as I try to get another practice exam or
> three
> > done before the actual test.
> >
> > Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
> > sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any
> better
> > luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
> > question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> > appreciate your offer of support.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> > <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Hello Tom,
> > I have been trying to get the playing field leveled
> for
> > about 20 years now
> > since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> > success over the
> > years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> > convert the PDF's that
> > Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than
> you
> > can do with Open
> > Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> > attachments but if we can
> > talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a
> file
> > transfer service
> > that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> > the legal problems
> > raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> > Over the years I have
> > taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither
> was
> > accessible, but
> > my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> > However, the ADA has
> > been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that
> they
> > get their act
> > together and provide complete course accessibility.
> > Please give me a call
> > if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> > located in California,
> > but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> > look forward to
> > talking with you.
> > Warmest regards,
> > Dennis Clark
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> > difficult to work with
> > to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> > instead of human
> > interaction. They are not willing to give much
> > information over the phone,
> > and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation
> letter
> > in PDF files for
> > me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> > them add some more check boxes
> > to their accommodations forms to assign
> accommodations
> > advisors to people
> > who are blind.
> >
> > Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> > Kaplan, but it appears
> > that taking the course when you are able to use
> ZoomText
> > and when you need
> > to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> > all seem to have
> > formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> > with Freedom Scientific
> > about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> > files are not formatted
> > to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> > files using OpenBook and
> > saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all
> sort of
> > junk in the file
> > because of their multi column structure and the books
> being
> > for the Premier
> > classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> > keep up with a class
> > when you have the wrong books and distracting junk
> embedded
> > in the test is a
> > problem.
> >
> > It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time
> just
> > trying to level
> > the playing field for blind people who are already in
> or
> > trying to get into
> > the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> > playing field leveled and
> > attorney fees paid are welcome.
> >
> >
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> > <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though
> mine
> > was online
> > and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> > of the study
> > materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> > PDF files with
> > ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I
> believe
> > were
> > flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> > less accessible, as
> > the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading
> cursor
> > jumbped
> > around the screen at random.
> >
> > In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> > LSAC. Kaplan had
> > nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> > LSAT in Tokyo
> > last September and again last December.
> >
> > One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best
> to
> > prepare for
> > the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write
> on
> > test day. I
> > prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given
> only 2
> > options by
> > LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print
> test
> > book, or 2. a
> > human reader. The nature of my disability makes large
> print
> > difficult
> > for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> > to read only 14
> > or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for
> short
> > periods of
> > time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> > was 15 points
> > lower than my timed practice test score. Other
> reasons
> > aside, the
> > nature of my interaction with the test material was a
> huge
> > factor in
> > my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> > human reader to
> > help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> > the implications
> > are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your
> attention.
> >
> > If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly
> urge
> > you to meet
> > with them in person prior to test day and assess
> their
> > reading skills
> > at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> > competent, and have
> > the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> > them to meet
> > with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of
> screening
> > and
> > acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you
> deem
> > them unfit
> > for the task.
> >
> > After my first time writing the LSAT in September of
> last
> > year, I
> > asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> > computer using
> > Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is
> not
> > possible at
> > this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> > computer-based
> > alternative in the future, and the representative
> repeated
> > flatly "No,
> > not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> > my acquaintances
> > in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were
> able to
> > write on
> > test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> > I would not go
> > so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> > accommodation
> > decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but
> it is
> > clear to me
> > that the playing field is far from level.
> >
> > I sincerely hope that you find this information useful
> in
> > some way,
> > and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Derek Wilson
> > www.twitter.com/culturemate
> > http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
> >
> > On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out,
> but
> > the class has started
> > > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> > get me the PDF files just
> > > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> > starting late and I have not
> > > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how
> to
> > deal with getting me
> > > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> > format. I was finally able to get
> > > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that
> is not
> > the greatest solution
> > > either.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > > Tom
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what
> you
> > need and why. Kaplan has
> > > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> > committed to complying with
> > > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for
> the
> > SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not
> be
> > perfect. Have a
> > > constructive dialog with them.
> > >
> > >
> > > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > > Fax: (215) 525-0999
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> --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> > >
> > >> Hello All.
> > >>
> > >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and
> requested
> > the course material in
> > >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> > a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> > >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes,
> and not
> > manageable by JAWS.
> > >>
> > >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> > usable. Kaplan has not been able
> > >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> > >>
> > >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> > megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> > >> document?
> > >>
> > >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> > providing a reader and scribe
> > >> for the practice tests?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Tom
> > >>
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From dwilson.lists at gmail.com  Fri May 28 00:59:12 2010
From: dwilson.lists at gmail.com (Derek Wilson)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:59:12 +0900
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <912239.25343.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <9720AC68866B42FBA15B9D082F15B171@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<912239.25343.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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You can count on me for support as well, if and when it is needed.

Derek

On 5/28/10, William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Agreed.  Let me know what I can do to help when or if needed.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/27/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 10:20 AM
>> This has all been a big drag.
>> Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned
>> and will be representing me to get things straightened out
>> and wake them up
>> a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do
>> something under a
>> cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It
>> may take litigation
>> to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it
>> one step at a
>> time.
>>
>>
>> Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the
>> spirit of the ADA
>> legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them
>> until they can
>> level things off for the next guy.
>>
>>
>> Tom
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>>
>>
>> You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software"
>> and online
>> exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were
>> from local agencies who
>> volunteered there time.  I would start to make
>> consumer complaints since you
>> are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom
>> Ladis
>> <tom at tomladis.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
>> > Hello Dennis and All,
>> >
>> > Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
>> > trying to catch up with the reading that I have been
>> able to
>> > do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF
>> files
>> > that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what
>> they
>> > have sent me but not reading the stuff that has
>> formatting
>> > issues due to table conversion issues. I have also
>> not
>> > done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
>> > take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue
>> all of
>> > these issues with Kaplan.
>> >
>> > At this point, I was able to find a friend who was
>> willing
>> > to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
>> > exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
>> > Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section,
>> I was
>> > able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
>> > into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
>> >
>> > I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I
>> have
>> > not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
>> > administered on a computer starting this year. If
>> that
>> > is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction
>> that
>> > will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
>> > still going to provide my test in a printed format
>> along
>> > with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
>> > not able to administer the test with JAWS or another
>> screen
>> > reader application. She reported that people did not
>> > like the computer format because it did not allow them
>> to do
>> > their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is
>> how
>> > Kaplan trains test takers.
>> >
>> > More later as I try to get another practice exam or
>> three
>> > done before the actual test.
>> >
>> > Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
>> > sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any
>> better
>> > luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
>> > question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
>> > appreciate your offer of support.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark"
>> > <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello Tom,
>> > I have been trying to get the playing field leveled
>> for
>> > about 20 years now
>> > since I graduated from law school and I have had some
>> > success over the
>> > years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
>> > convert the PDF's that
>> > Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than
>> you
>> > can do with Open
>> > Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
>> > attachments but if we can
>> > talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a
>> file
>> > transfer service
>> > that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
>> > the legal problems
>> > raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
>> > Over the years I have
>> > taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither
>> was
>> > accessible, but
>> > my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
>> > However, the ADA has
>> > been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that
>> they
>> > get their act
>> > together and provide complete course accessibility.
>> > Please give me a call
>> > if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
>> > located in California,
>> > but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
>> > look forward to
>> > talking with you.
>> > Warmest regards,
>> > Dennis Clark
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
>> > difficult to work with
>> > to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
>> > instead of human
>> > interaction. They are not willing to give much
>> > information over the phone,
>> > and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation
>> letter
>> > in PDF files for
>> > me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
>> > them add some more check boxes
>> > to their accommodations forms to assign
>> accommodations
>> > advisors to people
>> > who are blind.
>> >
>> > Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
>> > Kaplan, but it appears
>> > that taking the course when you are able to use
>> ZoomText
>> > and when you need
>> > to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
>> > all seem to have
>> > formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
>> > with Freedom Scientific
>> > about the problem and their conclusion is that the
>> > files are not formatted
>> > to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
>> > files using OpenBook and
>> > saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all
>> sort of
>> > junk in the file
>> > because of their multi column structure and the books
>> being
>> > for the Premier
>> > classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
>> > keep up with a class
>> > when you have the wrong books and distracting junk
>> embedded
>> > in the test is a
>> > problem.
>> >
>> > It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time
>> just
>> > trying to level
>> > the playing field for blind people who are already in
>> or
>> > trying to get into
>> > the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
>> > playing field leveled and
>> > attorney fees paid are welcome.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tom
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson"
>> > <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Tom,
>> >
>> > I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though
>> mine
>> > was online
>> > and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
>> > of the study
>> > materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
>> > PDF files with
>> > ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I
>> believe
>> > were
>> > flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
>> > less accessible, as
>> > the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading
>> cursor
>> > jumbped
>> > around the screen at random.
>> >
>> > In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
>> > LSAC. Kaplan had
>> > nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
>> > LSAT in Tokyo
>> > last September and again last December.
>> >
>> > One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best
>> to
>> > prepare for
>> > the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write
>> on
>> > test day. I
>> > prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given
>> only 2
>> > options by
>> > LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print
>> test
>> > book, or 2. a
>> > human reader. The nature of my disability makes large
>> print
>> > difficult
>> > for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
>> > to read only 14
>> > or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for
>> short
>> > periods of
>> > time. To make a long story short, my test day score
>> > was 15 points
>> > lower than my timed practice test score. Other
>> reasons
>> > aside, the
>> > nature of my interaction with the test material was a
>> huge
>> > factor in
>> > my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
>> > human reader to
>> > help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
>> > the implications
>> > are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your
>> attention.
>> >
>> > If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly
>> urge
>> > you to meet
>> > with them in person prior to test day and assess
>> their
>> > reading skills
>> > at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
>> > competent, and have
>> > the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
>> > them to meet
>> > with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of
>> screening
>> > and
>> > acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you
>> deem
>> > them unfit
>> > for the task.
>> >
>> > After my first time writing the LSAT in September of
>> last
>> > year, I
>> > asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
>> > computer using
>> > Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is
>> not
>> > possible at
>> > this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
>> > computer-based
>> > alternative in the future, and the representative
>> repeated
>> > flatly "No,
>> > not at this time." I have since learned that two of
>> > my acquaintances
>> > in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were
>> able to
>> > write on
>> > test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
>> > I would not go
>> > so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
>> > accommodation
>> > decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but
>> it is
>> > clear to me
>> > that the playing field is far from level.
>> >
>> > I sincerely hope that you find this information useful
>> in
>> > some way,
>> > and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Derek Wilson
>> > www.twitter.com/culturemate
>> > http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>> >
>> > On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out,
>> but
>> > the class has started
>> > > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
>> > get me the PDF files just
>> > > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
>> > starting late and I have not
>> > > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how
>> to
>> > deal with getting me
>> > > the materials in a JAWS friendly
>> > format. I was finally able to get
>> > > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that
>> is not
>> > the greatest solution
>> > > either.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for your thoughts,
>> > > Tom
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
>> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Tom
>> > >
>> > > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what
>> you
>> > need and why. Kaplan has
>> > > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
>> > committed to complying with
>> > > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for
>> the
>> > SAT, LSAT, and Bar
>> > > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not
>> be
>> > perfect. Have a
>> > > constructive dialog with them.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
>> > > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
>> > > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
>> > > Philadelphia, PA 19111
>> > > Tel: (215) 305-8085
>> > > Fax: (215) 525-0999
>> > > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
>> > >
>> > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
>> > > This message and/or its attachment(s) is being
>> > sent by a lawyer and may
>> > > contain privileged and confidential information
>> and
>> > may be protected by
>> > > attorney client and work product privileges. If
>> you
>> > are not the intended
>> > > recipient, you are hereby notified that any
>> retention,
>> > dissemination,
>> > > reading, or copying of this communication is
>> strictly
>> > prohibited.
>> > >
>> > > If you have received this communication in
>> error,
>> > notify Attorney Alcidonis
>> > > at (215) 305-8085 or at Attorney at alcidonislaw.com,
>> > and permanently delete
>> > > this message from your system. This communication
>> is
>> > covered by the
>> > > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C.
>> §
>> > 2510-2521.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> > > From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
>> > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>> > >
>> > >> Hello All.
>> > >>
>> > >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and
>> requested
>> > the course material in
>> > >> a digital format. They sent the material on
>> > a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
>> > >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes,
>> and not
>> > manageable by JAWS.
>> > >>
>> > >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
>> > usable. Kaplan has not been able
>> > >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
>> > >>
>> > >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
>> > megabyte ? PDF to a Word
>> > >> document?
>> > >>
>> > >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
>> > providing a reader and scribe
>> > >> for the practice tests?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Tom
>> > >>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 28 23:54:51 2010
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:54:51 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
In-Reply-To: <9720AC68866B42FBA15B9D082F15B171@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
References: <553176.44406.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <13D984E984064DCB9CCA292729313310@spike>

Congratulations, This is the type of action that needs to occur when 
organizations or companies blatantly fail to comply with ADA and other 
legislation. SWhat is Equipped for Equality as I'm not familiar with that 
organization?
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


This has all been a big drag.  Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned
and will be representing me to get things straightened out and wake them up
a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do something under a
cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It may take litigation
to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it one step at a
time.


Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the spirit of the ADA
legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them until they can
level things off for the next guy.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software" and online
exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were from local agencies who
volunteered there time.  I would start to make consumer complaints since you
are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom Ladis
<tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> Hello Dennis and All,
>
> Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
> trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to
> do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files
> that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they
> have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting
> issues due to table conversion issues. I have also not
> done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
> take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of
> these issues with Kaplan.
>
> At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing
> to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was
> able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
> into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
>
> I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have
> not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> administered on a computer starting this year. If that
> is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that
> will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
> still going to provide my test in a printed format along
> with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
> not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen
> reader application. She reported that people did not
> like the computer format because it did not allow them to do
> their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how
> Kaplan trains test takers.
>
> More later as I try to get another practice exam or three
> done before the actual test.
>
> Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
> sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better
> luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
> question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> appreciate your offer of support.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility.
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
>
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
>
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
>
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC. Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
>
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day. I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
>
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
>
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
>
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format. I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire." <attorney at alcidonislaw.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> >
> >
> > Rod Alcidonis, Attorney and Counselor at Law
> > Alcidonis Law Office, LLC
> > 6907B Rising Sun Ave., 1st Fl
> > Philadelphia, PA 19111
> > Tel: (215) 305-8085
> > Fax: (215) 525-0999
> > Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
> >
> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:
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> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >> Hello All.
> >>
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >>
> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable. Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >>
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
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From tom at tomladis.com  Sun May 30 03:02:58 2010
From: tom at tomladis.com (Tom Ladis)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:02:58 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
References: <553176.44406.qm@web30902.mail.mud.yahoo.com><9720AC68866B42FBA15B9D082F15B171@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>
	<13D984E984064DCB9CCA292729313310@spike>
Message-ID: <646AE84A233C42FC980F0FE546FA1BF6@TMLDELLLAPTOP1>

Thanks.  Equipped For Equality is a law firm in Chicago that takes on issues 
that help to level the playing field for people with disabilities.  They 
seem to have their hands in things from Education to Online Banking to 
Workplace equality issues.  I was not able to find a web site for them, but 
will get a phone number or web address from them and publish it here if they 
allow.  Maybe I can get someone from their firm to publish their mission 
statement or something like that to this list.  I will get back with more 
info.


Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


Congratulations, This is the type of action that needs to occur when
organizations or companies blatantly fail to comply with ADA and other
legislation. SWhat is Equipped for Equality as I'm not familiar with that
organization?
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


This has all been a big drag.  Luckily, Equipped For Equality is concerned
and will be representing me to get things straightened out and wake them up
a little bit.  If they are not able to get them to do something under a
cooperative agreement it may go to the next level.  It may take litigation
to get them to make permanent changes, but we will take it one step at a
time.


Either way, Kaplan and LSAC are both out of touch with the spirit of the ADA
legislation and need blind people to keep whacking at them until they can
level things off for the next guy.


Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support


You will not be able to utilize there "accessible software" and online
exercises.  I outsourced and used readers who were from local agencies who
volunteered there time.  I would start to make consumer complaints since you
are not getting what you paid for.--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Tom Ladis
<tom at tomladis.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 8:11 AM
> Hello Dennis and All,
>
> Sorry to have dropped off for a while. I have been
> trying to catch up with the reading that I have been able to
> do. Kaplan has not yet provided the books in PDF files
> that are tagged correctly, and I have been using what they
> have sent me but not reading the stuff that has formatting
> issues due to table conversion issues. I have also not
> done any of their online exercises. Once I am able to
> take the LSAT in June I will have more time to pursue all of
> these issues with Kaplan.
>
> At this point, I was able to find a friend who was willing
> to act as a reader / scribe for my first practice
> exam. To my amazement, after using the Princeton
> Review method of guessing on the Logic Games section, I was
> able to score a 137. Not great or high enough to get
> into many schools, but probably a good first attempt.
>
> I was also told by an employee at Kaplan, although I have
> not verified her statement, that the LSAT is being
> administered on a computer starting this year. If that
> is true, it looks like they are moving in a direction that
> will put everyone into the same ball park. They are
> still going to provide my test in a printed format along
> with a reader and scribe. This tells me that they are
> not able to administer the test with JAWS or another screen
> reader application. She reported that people did not
> like the computer format because it did not allow them to do
> their roadmaps and notation on the booklet, which is how
> Kaplan trains test takers.
>
> More later as I try to get another practice exam or three
> done before the actual test.
>
> Dennis. I will call you today to try to arrange
> sending the Lesson Book PDF to see if you have any better
> luck with the tables. I have just been avoiding the
> question text that got jumbled during conversion, and
> appreciate your offer of support.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Clark" 
> <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hello Tom,
> I have been trying to get the playing field leveled for
> about 20 years now
> since I graduated from law school and I have had some
> success over the
> years dealing with the LSAC. I would be happy to
> convert the PDF's that
> Kaplan gave you into possibly more accurate files than you
> can do with Open
> Book. The files are too large to be sent as email
> attachments but if we can
> talk by phone I can help you send them to me using a file
> transfer service
> that I use. I would also like to talk with you about
> the legal problems
> raised by the inaccessibility of the Kaplan course.
> Over the years I have
> taken Kaplan courses for the GRE and LSAT, and neither was
> accessible, but
> my Kaplan experience preceded the passage of the ADA.
> However, the ADA has
> been in effect now for 18 years and it is time that they
> get their act
> together and provide complete course accessibility.
> Please give me a call
> if you would like to talk at (310) 285-0244. I am
> located in California,
> but I am also licensed to practice law in Illinois. I
> look forward to
> talking with you.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis Clark
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Thanks for all of the great info. LSAC has been very
> difficult to work with
> to date. They seem to prefer doing things by email
> instead of human
> interaction. They are not willing to give much
> information over the phone,
> and have posted a scanned image of an accommodation letter
> in PDF files for
> me to view. Funny, huh? I would like to see
> them add some more check boxes
> to their accommodations forms to assign accommodations
> advisors to people
> who are blind.
>
> Regarding Kaplan, a fellow blind student recommended
> Kaplan, but it appears
> that taking the course when you are able to use ZoomText
> and when you need
> to use JAWS are quite a bit different. The PDF files
> all seem to have
> formatting issues, even if they are tagged. I spoke
> with Freedom Scientific
> about the problem and their conclusion is that the
> files are not formatted
> to be accessible. They suggested scanning the PDF
> files using OpenBook and
> saving it to a Word file, but even that leaves all sort of
> junk in the file
> because of their multi column structure and the books being
> for the Premier
> classes instead of the Standard classes. Trying to
> keep up with a class
> when you have the wrong books and distracting junk embedded
> in the test is a
> problem.
>
> It seems that a law firm could spend all of their time just
> trying to level
> the playing field for blind people who are already in or
> trying to get into
> the legal profession. Any ideas on how to get the
> playing field leveled and
> attorney fees paid are welcome.
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Wilson" 
> <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I also took an LSAT prep course with Kaplan, though mine
> was online
> and self-paced. Kaplan provided me with PDF versions
> of the study
> materials as well. I had no difficulty accessing the
> PDF files with
> ZoomText, but I did have some trouble with what I believe
> were
> flash-based tutorials and quizzes. They were much
> less accessible, as
> the text did not appear to be tagged so the reading cursor
> jumbped
> around the screen at random.
>
> In my case, I needed to arrange for a reader through
> LSAC. Kaplan had
> nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian who took the
> LSAT in Tokyo
> last September and again last December.
>
> One word of caution, you would be wise to do your best to
> prepare for
> the LSAT under the same conditions as you will write on
> test day. I
> prepared online with a screen-reader, but was given only 2
> options by
> LSAC in the way of accommodation: 1. a large-print test
> book, or 2. a
> human reader. The nature of my disability makes large print
> difficult
> for me to read, as it is an 18-point font. I am able
> to read only 14
> or 16-point font, and only with great difficulty for short
> periods of
> time. To make a long story short, my test day score
> was 15 points
> lower than my timed practice test score. Other reasons
> aside, the
> nature of my interaction with the test material was a huge
> factor in
> my performance. As I was not in a position to pay a
> human reader to
> help me study, my options were limited. I don't what
> the implications
> are for you, but I wanted to bring this to your attention.
>
> If you decide to go with a human reader, I strongly urge
> you to meet
> with them in person prior to test day and assess their
> reading skills
> at this level. They will need to be quick, clear,
> competent, and have
> the stamina to last for many hours. LSAC will pay for
> them to meet
> with you for up to 3 hours for the purposes of screening
> and
> acquaintance, and you have the right of refusal if you deem
> them unfit
> for the task.
>
> After my first time writing the LSAT in September of last
> year, I
> asked LSAC point blank if I could take the test on a
> computer using
> Access Technology, and they flat out said "No, that is not
> possible at
> this time." I asked if LSAC was planning to offer a
> computer-based
> alternative in the future, and the representative repeated
> flatly "No,
> not at this time." I have since learned that two of
> my acquaintances
> in Canada, both of whom are visually impaired, were able to
> write on
> test day with the use of a PC and Access Technology.
> I would not go
> so far as to say that LSAC is arbitrary in their
> accommodation
> decisions, since I do not have all of the facts, but it is
> clear to me
> that the playing field is far from level.
>
> I sincerely hope that you find this information useful in
> some way,
> and I wish you the best of luck on test day!
>
> Regards,
> Derek Wilson
> www.twitter.com/culturemate
> http://jp.linkedin.com/in/culturemate
>
> On 5/13/10, Tom Ladis <tom at tomladis.com>
> wrote:
> > I am pretty sure that it will all get worked out, but
> the class has started
> > and I am falling behind. It took them a month to
> get me the PDF files just
> > 3 days before the class started. My fault for
> starting late and I have not
> > been able to find anyone at Kaplan that knows how to
> deal with getting me
> > the materials in a JAWS friendly
> format. I was finally able to get
> > OpenBook to read the PDF this morning, but that is not
> the greatest solution
> > either.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts,
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Kaplan will work with you. Just tell them what you
> need and why. Kaplan has
> > demonstrated to me times and again that they are
> committed to complying with
> > the ADA. This was when I signed up with them for the
> SAT, LSAT, and Bar
> > Prep. They will find a solution even it may not be
> perfect. Have a
> > constructive dialog with them.
> >
> >
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> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:18 AM
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> > Subject: [blindlaw] Kaplan LSAT Support
> >
> >> Hello All.
> >>
> >> I have started the Kaplan LSAT class and requested
> the course material in
> >> a digital format. They sent the material on
> a CD-ROM in PDF files. Some
> >> of the files are HUGE, as in 30 megabytes, and not
> manageable by JAWS.
> >>
> >> I got what I asked for, but it is not
> usable. Kaplan has not been able
> >> to provide anything besides the PDF files.
> >>
> >> Does anybody have the ability to save a 30
> megabyte ? PDF to a Word
> >> document?
> >>
> >> In addition, isn't Kaplan responsible for
> providing a reader and scribe
> >> for the practice tests?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon May 31 22:42:14 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 17:42:14 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Cardtronics Settlement
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I have been asked to circulate the materials below.

David Andrews



The Proposed Remediation Plan provides as follows:
(1)        All Cardtronics-owned ATMs in 
Massachusetts will be Voice-guided no later than June 30, 2010.
(2)        By December 31, 2010, at least ninety 
percent (90%) of all transactions at covered ATMs 
occurring within the borders of Massachusetts 
will occur on ATMs that are Voice-guided.
(3)        All Cardtronics-owned ATMs nationally 
will be Voice-guided no later than December 31, 
2010, with the exception of Cardtronics-owned 
ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores  which will be 
Voice-guided no later than March 31, 2011.
(4)        By March 31, 2011, at least ninety 
percent (90%) of all transactions at covered ATMs 
nationally will occur on ATMs that are Voice-guided.
(5)        With the assistance of the NFB, 
Cardtronics has developed enhanced scripts for 
the great majority of the ATMs it owns.  With the 
exception of Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 
7-Eleven stores, on or before December 31, 2010 
Cardtronics will install enhanced scripts on all 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs, except where it is not 
technologically feasible to do so, in which 
cases, on or before December 31, 2010, 
Cardtronics shall either (i) replace such ATMs 
with ATMs on which an enhanced script can and 
will be installed, or (ii) remove such ATMs from 
the Cardtronics-owned fleet.  Cardtronics-owned 
ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores will be 
Voice-guided no later than March 31, 2011. Any 
script on any Cardtronics-owned ATM, including 
the enhanced scripts, shall meet the requirements 
set forth in the definition of “Voice-guided” and 
“Voice-Guidance” set forth in the Final Order[1] 
and as supplemented in paragraph 6 of this Order.
(6)        With the exception of 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven 
stores, by December 31, 2010, all 
Cardtronics-owned Voice-guided ATMs and those 
merchant-owned, Voice-guided ATMs that 
Cardtronics designates as making up a portion of 
the ninety percent (90%) transaction requirements 
of paragraphs 2 and 4 above, will have tactilely 
discernible controls, that is, operating 
mechanisms used in conjunction with speech output 
that can be located and operated by feel.  When a 
numeric keypad is part of the tactilely 
discernible controls, all function keys will be 
mapped to the numeric keypad and, except for 
those remaining Wincor ATMs installed in Target 
stores prior to June 2007, the numeric keypad 
will have an “echo” effect such that the user’s 
numeric entries (other than the entry of a 
personal identification number) are repeated in 
voice form.  All tactilely discernible controls 
will otherwise comply with applicable 
regulations.  All Cardtronics-owned ATMs located 
in 7-Eleven stores will meet these requirements no later than March 31, 2011.
(7)        With the exception of 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven 
stores, by December 31, 2010, all 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs will have appropriate 
signage as identified in the Final Order Ex. 
1.[2]  All Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 
7-Eleven stores will meet these requirements no 
later than March 31, 2011.  By December 31, 2010, 
Cardtronics will send such signage to each of its 
Merchant-owned customers that operate a 
Voice-guided ATM (with the exception of those 
customers for whom Cardtronics physically placed 
Braille signage on each of the customer’s 
Voice-guided ATMs after April 9, 2007) requesting 
that those customers install such signage on 
their Voice-guided ATMs.  Cardtronics will 
include a letter from the NFB describing the 
importance of such signage with its request.  On 
or before February 1, 2011, Cardtronics will 
provide the NFB with the approximate date on 
which it placed signage on each of the 
Merchant-owned Voice-guided ATMs or sent the appropriate signage by mail.
(8)        By December 31, 2012, Cardtronics will 
cause to have inspected all Cardtronics-owned, 
non-branded ATMs to ensure that the Voice-guided 
features of these ATMs are in working 
condition.  Approximately 10,000 of these 
inspections shall take place in calendar years 
2010 and 2011, with the balance taking place in 
calendar year 2012.  To the extent Cardtronics 
can demonstrate to Class counsel that within the 
first two years of conducting such inspections 
the Voice-guided features are in compliance with 
the definition of Voice-guidance, the parties 
shall meet to discuss the results of these 
inspections and may agree in writing that 
Cardtronics shall cause to have inspected a 
minimum of 1,000 Cardtronics-owned, non-branded 
ATMs each year for the remainder of the term of 
the Agreement.  These inspections will be 
documented in a manner showing that the person 
conducting the inspection used headphones to 
listen to the voice script on the 
ATM.  Similarly, in the course of conducting its 
routine inspections of Cardtronics-owned, branded 
ATMs, such inspections shall be documented in a 
manner showing that the person conducting the 
inspection used headphones to listen to the voice 
script on the ATM.  On a monthly basis, 
Cardtronics shall report the results of all 
inspections required by this paragraph to Class counsel.
(9)        In addition to the reporting 
requirements identified in the Final Order,[3] 
Cardtronics will report monthly between June 1, 
2010 and December 31, 2011.  For the period 
between June 1, 2010 and December 31, 2011, 
Cardtronics will add to the information it is 
currently reporting for each Cardtronics-owned 
ATM whether the enhanced script has been 
installed on the ATM, as well as the month and 
year of such installation.  No later than October 
31, 2010, for each Cardtronics-owned ATM on which 
it is not technologically feasible to install an 
enhanced script, Cardtronics will indicate 
whether it will replace such ATM with a 
Voice-guided ATM or remove the ATM from the fleet.
(10)      Cardtronics will keep its ATM locator 
on its website up to date as to whether a covered 
ATM is equipped with Voice-guidance.
(11)      Notice of the Proposed Remediation Plan 
will be provided to the Class in the manner described below.
(12)      In addition to the testing costs set 
forth in Final Order Ex. 1, Cardtronics will pay 
$60,000 to the NFB to be used for interim testing 
and other compliance monitoring by the NFB taking 
place in 2010 and the first quarter of 2011.  The 
NFB shall provide Cardtronics with invoices as 
testing is completed, to be payable by 
Cardtronics within 30 days of receipt of each invoice.
(13)           Cardtronics will pay the NFB 
$145,000 for the reasonable fees and costs 
incurred by the NFB as a result of Cardtronics’ 
failure to comply with the Final Order.  This 
amount includes attorneys’ fees and testing costs 
that the NFB incurred due to the failure of 
Cardtronics to comply with the Final Order and 
shall be paid in two equal installments of 
$72,500, one upon the effective date of this 
Court’s final approval of the Proposed 
Remediation Plan and the second 60 days thereafter.
(14)           The requirements set forth in 
Final Order Ex. 1 shall remain in effect, in 
whole or in part, for eight years from the date 
of this Court’s final approval of the Proposed 
Remediation Plan.  The Parties may agree in 
writing to extend the requirements of Final Order 
Ex. 1 further or the Court may so order in 
connection with paragraph 13.3.  Notwithstanding 
any expiration of Final Order Ex. 1, paragraphs 
6, 7 and 13 of Final Order Ex. 1 shall continue 
to remain in effect in perpetuity.
(15)           To the extent that the 
requirements set forth herein are inconsistent 
with any provision of Final Order Ex. 1, this 
Order controls.  All other terms and requirements 
of the Final Order, including Final Order Ex. 1, 
will remain in full force and effect.



[1]  Final Order Ex. 1 at 4.
[2]  See Final Order Ex. 1 at ¶ 4.2.
[3]  See id. at ¶ 4.4.1.




UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS

COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS, et al.,
                                                 Plaintiffs,
v.
CARDTRONICS, INC., et al.,
                                                 Defendants.

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Civil Action No. 03-11206-MEL



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NOTICE OF PROPOSED REMEDIATION PLAN CONCERNING
FINAL ORDER RELATING TO CLASS ACTION SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT AND HEARING TO BE HELD ON September 15, 2010 @ 2:30pm
TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE NATIONWIDE CLASS CERTIFIED 
BY THIS COURT TO INCLUDE BLIND PATRONS OF 
AUTOMATED TELLER MACHINES (“ATMs”) OWNED OR 
OPERATED BY EITHER CARDTRONICS, INC. OR 
CARDTRONICS USA, INC. (collectively, “Cardtronics”)

On December 4, 2007, this Court granted final 
approval of a class action settlement agreement 
entered into between Plaintiffs, the Commonwealth 
of Massachusetts, the National Federation of the 
Blind (“NFB”), and several individual blind 
persons, and Defendants, Cardtronics, Inc. and 
Cardtronics, LP (now Cardtronics USA, Inc.) 
(collectively “Cardtronics”) concerning, among 
other things, the accessibility of ATMs owned or 
operated by Cardtronics to blind patrons under 
the Americans with Disabilities Act (“ADA”) and Massachusetts state laws.

DUE TO CARDTRONICS’ INABILITY TO MEET A NUMBER OF 
IMPORTANT REQUIREMENTS OF THIS COURT’S FINAL 
ORDER OF DECEMBER 4, 2007, THE PARTIES HAVE 
REACHED AGREEMENT ON A PROPOSED REMEDIATION PLAN, 
SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THIS COURT, THAT REQUIRES 
CARDTRONICS TO MEET ALL OF THEIR PRIOR 
OBLIGATIONS WITH EXTENSIONS OF TIME TO DO SO, 
PLUS ADDITIONAL OBLIGATIONS INTENDED TO ENSURE 
THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE CLASS ENJOY THE BENEFITS 
SET FORTH IN THE ORIGINAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND FINAL COURT ORDER.
Cardtronics has agreed to a remediation plan that 
includes, among other actions, ensuring that with 
the exception of Cardtronics-owned ATMs located 
in 7-Eleven stores, all ATMs owned by Cardtronics 
will offer voice guidance through a standard 
headphone jack located on the face of the ATM by 
no later than December 31, 2010; 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores 
will offer voice guidance through a standard 
headphone jack located on the face of the ATM by 
no later than March 31, 2011, and that by March 
31, 2011, at least ninety percent (90%) of all 
Transactions at Covered ATMs shall occur on ATMs 
that are Voice-guided or otherwise accessible to 
Blind people.  Cardtronics has agreed to develop 
improved voice-guided scripts for all 
Cardtronics-owned ATMs to ensure that blind 
customers can easily access all ATM 
functions.  Cardtronics has also agreed to 
institute an inspection program intended to 
ensure that voice-guided ATMs remain operational 
for blind customers.  A full copy of the proposed 
remediation plan is available on the NFB’s 
website: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org and on 
the Cardtronics’ website: 
<http://www.cardtronics.net/news/nfb_remediationplan.asp.>www.cardtronics.net/news/nfb_remediationplan.asp. 
The locations of the existing ATMs covered by the 
Final Order and by the proposed remediation plan, 
with designation of voice-guidance status, can be 
obtained through Cardtronics’ ATM locator 
feature, available at 
<http://www.cardtronics.net/about/atmlocator.asp>www.cardtronics.net/about/atmlocator.asp. 


As part of the proposed remediation plan and 
subject to Court approval, Cardtronics has agreed 
to pay the amount of $145,000 in attorneys’ fees 
to the attorneys representing the class.  These 
amounts will not detract from Cardtronics duties 
to provide accessible ATMs to the class.  The 
Court will conduct a hearing on the motion of 
class counsel for their attorneys’ fees at the 
date and time set forth in the following 
paragraph.  Cardtronics has also agreed to pay an 
additional $60,000 to the NFB for testing that 
the NFB will conduct to ensure compliance with 
the remediation plan requirements.

YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED, pursuant to Rule 23 of 
the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and an Order 
of the Court dated May 18, 2010, and as 
thereafter amended that a Final Approval Hearing 
will be held on September 15, 2010, at 2:30pm, 
before that Court in the United States 
Courthouse, One Courthouse Way, Boston, 
Massachusetts 02210.  The purpose of this Final 
Approval Hearing is to determine whether the 
proposed remediation plan should be approved by 
the Court as fair, reasonable and adequate and 
whether the application for award of attorneys’ 
fees and reimbursement for expenses should be approved.

Class Members who wish to object to the proposed 
settlement must provide notice of and explanation 
of their objection in writing to the Court at the 
address above, with copies to Counsel at the 
addresses provided below, no later than Monday, 
August 30, 2010.  Only Class Members filing 
timely objections may request to present their 
objections at the Final Approval Hearing.

Office of the Massachusetts Attorney General Attn: Maura Healey, Esq.
100 Cambridge Street
11TH floor
Boston, MA 02108

Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
Attn: Sharon Krevor-Weisbaum, Esq.
120 E. Baltimore Street
Suite 1700
Baltimore, MD 21202

Joseph Kociubes, Esq.
Bingham McCutchen LLP
150 Federal Street
Boston, MA 02110-1726

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION, VISIT 
<http://www.cardtronics.net/news/>www.cardtronics.net/news/ 
OR CONTACT COUNSEL FOR THE PLAINTIFFS:

Commonwealth of Massachusetts
Office of Attorney General
Disability Rights Project
(617) 727-2200
<http://www.mass.gov/ago>www.mass.gov/ago

OR

Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
(410) 962-1030
<http://www.browngold.com/>www.browngold.com

EXCEPT AS INSTRUCTED IN THE NOTICE, PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT THE COURT.




Dated:  May 18, 2010                          By Order of the
                                                             United 
States District Court
                                                             For 
the District of Massachusetts


UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS

COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS, et al.,

             Plaintiffs

v.

E*TRADE ACCESS, INC., et al.,

             Defendants




CIVIL ACTION NO. 03-11206-MEL


FINAL ORDER AND JUDGMENT

             Plaintiffs, Commonwealth of 
Massachusetts, National Federation of the Blind, 
Inc. (“NFB”), Adrienne Asch, Jennifer Bose, Norma 
Crosby, Dwight Sayer, Robert Crowley, Jr., 
Raymond Wayne, Terri Uttermohlen, and Bryan 
Bashin, seek final approval of the class action 
settlement that was approved preliminarily by 
this Court on July 26, 2007.  See Memorandum and 
Order Granting Unopposed Motion for Preliminary 
Approval of Class Action Settlement and for 
Fairness Hearing (“Preliminary Approval 
Order”).  Specifically, Plaintiffs have moved the 
Court for an Order: (1) finding that the class 
action Settlement Agreement between Plaintiffs 
and Defendants, Cardtronics, LP, and Cardtronics, 
Inc. (collectively “Cardtronics”), is a fair, 
reasonable and adequate settlement of all of the 
claims of the class against Defendants, 
overruling the single objection to the proposed 
settlement and finding that each class member 
shall be bound by the Settlement Agreement, 
including its release; (2) finding that the 
Notice published to the class satisfies the 
requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 
23; (3) approving an award of attorneys’ fees and 
costs by Defendants to Plaintiff, NFB, in the 
amount of $900,000, as agreed to by the parties; 
(4) dismissing this lawsuit on the merits and 
with prejudice as to all claims in the lawsuit 
against all Defendants; (5) attaching and 
incorporating by reference the terms of the 
Settlement Agreement; and (6) retaining 
jurisdiction of all matters relating to the 
interpretation, administration, implementation, 
effectuation and enforcement of the Settlement Agreement.
I.          Background
             A.        Plaintiffs’ Claims
             Cardtronics currently owns and/or 
operates at least 23,300 ATMs throughout the 
United States, including approximately 15,000 
ATMs formerly owned and/or operated by Defendant 
E*TRADE Access, Inc. 
(“Access”).[1]  Approximately half of these ATMs 
are owned by independent merchants who are 
customers of Cardtronics (“Merchant-Owned 
ATMs”).  This litigation concerns Plaintiffs’ 
request that Cardtronics’s fleet of ATMs be made 
accessible to and independently useable by blind 
people through the use of voice-guidance technology.
             Some of the ATMs in the Cardtronics 
fleet already have voice guidance.  Those ATMs 
that are not currently voice-guided vary in their 
capacity to be made voice-guided.  Many newer 
machines have the capacity to be upgraded to 
provide voice-guidance through a straightforward 
retrofit process (“Upgradeable ATMs”).  Other, 
older, machines are not able to be upgraded and 
must be replaced completely in order to make voice guidance available.
             Plaintiffs’ Fourth Amended and 
Supplemental Class Action Complaint (“Fourth 
Amended Complaint”) alleges that Cardtronics has 
failed to make all of the ATMs it owns and/or 
operates accessible to blind individuals in 
violation of Title III of the ADA, 42 
U.S.C.    §§ 12181 et seq., and Section 4.34.5 of 
the Department of Justice Standards for 
Accessible Design, 28 C.F.R. pt. 36, app. A 
(“Standards”) (requiring that ATMs be “accessible 
to and independently useable by persons with 
vision impairments”).  Title III is enforceable 
through a private right of action for injunctive 
relief and prevailing plaintiffs are entitled to 
attorneys’ fees.  See 42 U.S.C. §§ 12188(a)(1), 
(2) and 12205.  Plaintiffs have also alleged 
violations of the Massachusetts Public 
Accommodations Act (“MPAA”), Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 
272, §§ 92A and 98, and the Massachusetts Equal 
Rights Act (“MERA”), Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 93, § 103.
             Although numerous procedural and 
substantive disputes have arisen throughout this 
litigation, the case turns primarily on the 
vigorously contested issues of whether 
Defendants’ ATMs are in violation of the 
Standards and, if they are, whether Plaintiffs 
are entitled to an injunction that would require 
Cardtronics to install voice-guidance 
capabilities on all ATMs it owns and/or operates, 
including Merchant-Owned ATMs.  The lawsuit also 
includes claims against Defendant E*TRADE Bank, 
Inc. concerning its banking policies applicable 
to consumers’ use of the Cardtronics ATMs.  These 
claims are derivative of the claims addressing 
the accessibility of the Cardtronics ATMs.
             B.        Pre-Filing Settlement Negotiations
             On June 9, 2003, after lengthy 
negotiations, the Commonwealth and the NFB 
entered into a Partial Settlement Agreement 
(“PSA”) with Defendants Access and E*TRADE Bank, 
Inc. (collectively “E*TRADE”), pursuant to which 
Access agreed to equip the ATMs it owned with 
voice guidance over a period of two and one-half 
years.  The parties were not able to reach 
agreement with respect to Merchant-Owned ATMs.

             C.        Litigation
On June 23, 2003, the Commonwealth and the NFB, 
along with several individual blind people and 
the NFB’s Massachusetts affiliate, filed the 
present suit against E*TRADE.  From its 
inception, this litigation has been 
hard-fought.  As fully detailed in the 
Preliminary Approval Order, this complex case 
involved numerous dispositive motions, voluminous 
document discovery and several significant 
discovery-related motions.
II.        Summary of the Settlement
             After an all-day mediation on April 
9, 2007, and following further negotiations over 
the course of more than two months, the parties 
executed the Settlement Agreement on June 21, 2007.
             In summary, the settlement requires:
           All Cardtronics-Owned ATMs will be 
voice-guided by the end of this year, with two 
exceptions:  a set of approximately 1,600 
machines that already have voice-guidance, but do 
not have, as otherwise required by the Settlement 
Agreement, audible verification of all of the 
inputs by the ATM user; and a set of no more than 
177 machines will be voice-guided by mid-2008.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.1.)
           As of April 9, 2007 and going forward, 
Cardtronics will only install Cardtronics-Owned 
ATMs that are voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.1)
           As of April 9, 2007 and going forward, 
Cardtronics will only sell or make available to 
merchants ATMs that are voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement,       ¶ 3.2.1.)
           Cardtronics will identify the smallest 
subset of Merchant-Owned ATMs without voice 
guidance that collectively account for 80% of 
transactions at Merchant-Owned ATMs (“High Volume 
Merchants”) and will, within ninety (90) days of 
approval, offer those merchants that have 
Upgradeable ATMs the opportunity to upgrade to 
add voice guidance at no cost, and will offer 
those merchants whose machines are not 
upgradeable the opportunity to purchase a 
voice-guided machine at Cardtronics’s wholesale 
cost.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.2.2.)
           Regardless of the outcome of this 
marketing plan, Cardtronics will ensure that, by 
July 1, 2010, at least ninety (90) percent of all 
transactions on the ATMs covered by the 
settlement occur on voice-guided ATMs.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.3.)
           After July 1, 2010, Cardtronics will 
not add or renew any merchant-owned ATMs that are 
not voice-guided, so that any remaining ATMs 
constituting less than 10% of transaction volume 
that are not yet voice-guided will either become 
so or be eliminated.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.3.2.)
           Any additional functions that are 
added to ATMs covered by the settlement will be 
accessible to blind patrons within ninety (90) 
days unless Cardtronics believes doing so would 
not be technically feasible without causing undue 
burden or delay, in which case the parties are to 
meet and confer to attempt to eliminate the 
obstructions to adding such new functions.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.7.)
           Cardtronics-owned ATMs acquired after 
final approval of the settlement agreement shall 
be voice-guided within two (2) years; 
after-acquired Merchant-owned ATMs that are 
Merchant-Owned by High Volume Merchants will 
receive the upgrade or replacement offers 
described above.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 3.6.)
           Cardtronics will provide web-based 
information and signage to assist blind patrons 
in identifying which of its ATMs are 
voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶¶ 4.1, 4.2.)
           Cardtronics will report to Class 
Counsel throughout the term of the Settlement 
Agreement concerning the number of voice-guided 
ATMs and the percentage of transactions occurring 
on such ATMs, and that progress will be verified 
by Cardtronics and monitored by the NFB.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 4.4.)
           Cardtronics must comply with any 
future regulatory requirements that impose 
additional requirements, but if regulations 
require less than the Settlement Agreement, the 
Settlement Agreement controls.  (Settlement Agreement ¶5.1)
           Class members will release claims for 
injunctive relief and attorneys’ fees under Title 
III of the ADA, the MPAA, the MERA, and any other 
claims held by the named plaintiffs to the extent 
such claims relate to the accessibility of ATMs 
to blind people.  Class members also release 
claims for injunctive relief under state law to 
the extent it incorporates or is equivalent to 
Title III.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶¶ 7.1, 7.2.)
           Class members (excepting the named 
plaintiffs) do not release claims for 
damages.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 7.1.3.)
           Cardtronics will pay $900,000 in 
attorneys’ fees to the NFB and make a 
contribution of $100,000 to the local consumer 
aid fund of the Massachusetts Attorney 
General.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶¶ 9.1, 9.2.)
             Because the Settlement Agreement 
applies to all Cardtronics ATMs -- including 
former E*TRADE ATMs -- it supercedes the earlier 
PSA among E*TRADE, the Commonwealth, and the 
NFB.  Although E*TRADE is not a party to the 
Settlement Agreement, that agreement concludes 
this litigation and calls for the dismissal with 
prejudice of all claims in this case against all 
Defendants.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 
2.7(c).)  The implementation of voice guidance on 
the ATMs makes it unnecessary for E*TRADE Bank to 
change its policies as sought in the lawsuit.
             In the Settlement Agreement, the 
parties agreed that the Court should retain 
jurisdiction of this case for purposes of the 
interpretation, administration, implementation, 
effectuation, and enforcement of this 
Agreement.  (Settlement Agreement, ¶ 2.7(d).)  In 
addition, Defendants have withdrawn their 
opposition to Plaintiffs’ motion for leave to 
file a Fourth Amended Complaint (Settlement 
Agreement, ¶ 2.1) and the Court has granted the 
parties’ joint motion for certification of a 
settlement class, which includes all persons who 
are Blind patrons of ATMs covered by the Settlement Agreement.
III.       Preliminary Approval
             As mentioned, on July 26, 2007, this 
Court granted Plaintiffs’ Unopposed Motion for 
Preliminary Approval of Class Action Settlement 
and scheduled a Fairness Hearing on the proposed 
settlement for December 4, 2007.  In the 
Preliminary Approval Order, the Court approved 
the parties’ proposed plan for notifying class 
member of the settlement, as well as the form of 
the notice to be utilized for this purpose (“Notice”).
IV.       Notice to the Class
             The Court finds that the Notice 
approved in the Court’s Preliminary Approval 
Order was made available on Cardtronics’s website 
from approximately August 23, 2007 to November 1, 
2007 and that a copy of the Notice was also 
available on the NFB’s website during that same period.
The Court also finds that a copy of the Notice 
was mailed to a list of over 900 organizations, 
including a number composed of, and/or focused on 
the issues of, blind people.   Of those mailings, 
36 were returned due to incorrect addresses.  The 
correct addresses were ascertained for 11 of 
those returned mailings and the Notice was then 
sent to those correct addresses.  In addition, 
the Notice was emailed to 1,036 email addresses 
relating to the organizations referenced above, 
with a cover letter requesting that the recipient 
post and forward the Notice.  Of those emails, 
186 were returned as undeliverable.  Fifteen 
organizations to whom the Notice was emailed 
notified class counsel that they had forwarded 
the Notice to other individuals or lists of 
individuals thought to be class members.  Another 
ten organizations notified class counsel that 
they had posted the Notice on their 
websites.  The NFB sent the Notice to over 50 
email lists of blind individuals, including lists 
of blind lawyers, students, and travelers.  In 
each of these paper and electronic mailings, 
counsel for the class offered to provide Braille 
versions of the Notice and/or the Settlement 
Agreement.  Class counsel ultimately received and 
honored six requests for Braille documentation.
The Court finds further that the Notice was 
published in the August/September edition of the 
Braille Monitor, which is the publication of the 
NFB and is regularly sent to its approximately 
50,000 members, among others.  The Notice was 
also published in the September, 2007, edition of 
the Braille Forum, as well as in the New York 
Times, the Los Angeles Times, and USA Today on August 28, 2007.
In addition, the Court finds that there has been 
only one objection to the proposed 
settlement.  This objection purports to be on 
behalf of Mason P. James, of Loveland, Texas, and 
states only that “[m]e wish to object to the 
proposed settlement.”  See Objection by Mason P. 
James (Sept. 27, 2007, Paper No. 270).
                                                                   DISCUSSION
I.          The Settlement Agreement is Granted Final Approval.
             A court may approve the settlement 
of a class action only upon finding that it is 
“fair, reasonable, and adequate.”  Fed. R. Civ. 
P. 23(e)(1)(C); see also City P’ship Co. v. 
Atlantic Acquisition Ltd. P’ship, 100 F.3d 1041, 
1043 (1st Cir. 1996) (same).  The First Circuit 
has recognized a clear policy of encouraging 
settlements in class action cases, and has stated 
that “[w]hen sufficient discovery has been 
provided and the parties have bargained at 
arms-length, there is a presumption in favor of 
the settlement.”  City P’ship, 100 F.3d at 
1043.  In determining the fairness, 
reasonableness and adequacy of a proposed class 
action settlement, several courts in this 
district have looked to the following factors set 
forth in City of Detroit v. Grinnell Corp., 495 
F.2d 448, 463 (2d Cir. 1974), overruled on other 
grounds by Missouri v. Jenkins, 491 U.S. 274 (1989):
(1) the complexity, expense and likely duration 
of the litigation; (2) the reaction of the class 
to the settlement; (3) the stage of the 
proceedings and the amount of discovery 
completed; (4) the risks of establishing 
liability; (5) the risks of establishing damages; 
(6) the risks of maintaining the class action 
through the trial; (7) the ability of the 
defendants to withstand a greater judgment; (8) 
the range of reasonableness of the settlement 
fund in light of the best possible recovery; (9) 
the range of reasonableness of the settlement 
fund to a possible recovery in light of all the 
attendant risks of litigation.

For all of the reasons set forth in the Court’s 
Preliminary Approval Order, an analysis of these 
factors strongly supports this Court’s final 
approval of the Settlement Agreement as fair, 
reasonable and adequate.  In addition, this Court 
overrules the single objection to the proposed 
settlement, as no reasons were provided for that 
objection as required by the Notice approved by 
the Court.  Therefore, this Court also finds that 
all class members are bound by the Settlement 
Agreement, including its release provisions.
II.        Notice to the Class
             Rule 23(e) states that “notice of 
the proposed dismissal or compromise shall be 
given to all members of the class in such manner 
as the court directs.”  The notice must satisfy 
Rule 23, as well as due process 
requirements.  Cf. Besinga v. United States, 923 
F.2d 133, 136-37 (9th Cir. 1991) (requirements of 
due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(c)(2)(B) are 
similar).  “‘[I]t is the court’s duty to ensure 
that the notice ordered is reasonably calculated 
to reach the absent class members.”  Reppert v. 
Marvin Lumber and Cedar Co., 359 F.3d 53, 56 (1st 
Cir. 2004) (citations omitted).  “When individual 
notice is infeasible, notice by publication in a 
newspaper of national circulation . . .  is an 
acceptable substitute.”  Mirfasihi v. Fleet 
Mortgage Corp., 356 F.3d 781, 786 (7th Cir. 2004).
             This Court finds that the notice 
program approved in its Preliminary Approval 
Order and now implemented by the parties was the 
best notice practicable under the circumstances 
and satisfied the requirements of due process and 
Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.  The parties represented that 
there was no readily accessible list of the 
potential class members in this case and that 
such a list likely could not be created without 
enormous effort and expenditure.  Notice here 
involved a combination of individual mailing -- 
through the Braille Monitor and Braille Forum to 
tens of thousands of blind people -- and 
publication in three newspapers of national 
circulation:  The New York Times, Los Angeles 
Times, and USA Today.  Under these circumstances, 
individual notice was not required in order to 
satisfy the requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.
III.       Attorneys’ Fees and Costs
             Class counsel have submitted an 
Unopposed Petition for an Award of Attorneys’ 
Fees and Costs, pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(h) 
and 54(d)(2).  Specifically, class counsel 
request that the Court approve an award of 
attorneys’ fees and costs by Defendants to the 
NFB in the amount of $900,000, the amount agreed 
to by the parties as part of the class action settlement.
             The ADA provides that courts may 
award the prevailing party its “reasonable 
attorney’s fee, including litigation expenses, 
and costs.”  42 U.S.C. § 12205.  Rules 23(h)(1) 
and (2) require that notice and an opportunity to 
object be provided.  In this case, the Notice 
sent pursuant to the Preliminary Approval Order 
included the amount of the fees and provided an 
opportunity to object and no class member has 
objected to the proposed fee award.
             In evaluating a fee petition in a 
case such as this, the Court is to consider “the 
reasonableness of the hours spent and the hourly 
rate sought.”  Weinberger v. Great Northern 
Nekoosa Corp., 925 F.2d 518, 529 (1st Cir. 1991) 
(quoting In re Spillance, 884 F.2d 642, 647 (1st 
Cir. 1989)).  After due consideration of the 
filings of class counsel and the relevant case 
law cited therein, this Court finds that a fee 
award in the amount of $900,000 is well within 
the bounds of reasonableness under the 
circumstances of this case.  The time spent by 
class counsel in litigating this complex case 
clearly was justified.  In addition, the lodestar 
amount – calculated by multiplying these hours by 
reasonable prevailing rates – is almost twice the 
amount agreed upon in the settlement.  The Court 
finds that the hourly rates charged by class 
counsel are commensurate with the rates charged 
by Boston attorneys of comparable experience in 
comparable matters and that the rates actually 
billed to the NFB were below those rates.  In 
addition, the award sought is well below the 
actual amount of fees and costs paid by the NFB 
in connection with this litigation.  For these 
reasons, the Court approves the fee award agreed 
to by the parties as part of the Settlement Agreement.
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED THAT:
             1.         This Court has 
jurisdiction over the subject matter of this 
lawsuit and over all of the parties to the 
lawsuit, including the named Plaintiffs, all 
members of the class, and Defendants.
             2.         The Court adopts and 
incorporates the findings of the Preliminary 
Approval Order and hereby approves the Settlement 
Agreement as fair, reasonable and adequate in all 
respects.  This is especially so in view of the 
complexity, expense and probable duration of 
further litigation, the risks of establishing 
liability, the intensive arm’s length 
negotiations of experienced counsel and the 
reasonableness of the relief obtained, 
considering the range of possible outcomes and 
the attendant risks of litigation.
             3.         The Court overrules the 
single objection to the settlement and finds that 
each class member is bound by the Settlement Agreement, including its release.
             4.         The Court finds that the 
Notice published to the class satisfies the 
requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.
             5.         The Court finds that the 
attorneys’ fees and costs sought by class counsel 
are reasonable and approves an award of fees and 
costs, in the amount of $900,000, as agreed to by the parties.
             6.         The Court dismisses this 
lawsuit on the merits and with prejudice as to 
all claims in the lawsuit against all Defendants.
             7.         The Court attaches hereto 
as Exhibit 1 and incorporates into this Final 
Order and Judgment the terms of the Settlement Agreement.
             8.         The Court retains 
jurisdiction of all matters relating to the 
interpretation, administration, implementation, 
effectuation and enforcement of the Settlement Agreement.

                                     It is so ordered.

Dated: 
_________________________
                                                                                                                         U.S.D.J.


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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon May 31 23:12:32 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:12:32 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] 2010 NFB Convention Agenda Now Available
Message-ID: <auto-000155945747@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Below is the text of the agenda for the 2010 NFB 
national convention.  You can also download a 
fully-formatted Word version from the link below.

Dave



http://www.nfb.org/nfb/National_Convention.asp


THE MEMBERS OF THE
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND OF TEXAS
WELCOME YOU TO THE
70th ANNUAL CONVENTION OF THE
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND

Marc Maurer, President
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21230

Mary Ellen Jernigan
Executive Director for Operations and
Chairwoman, Convention Organization and Activities

Angela Wolf, President
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
314 East Highland Mall Blvd., Suite 353
Austin, Texas 78752

Hilton Anatole Hotel
2201 Stemmons Freeway
Dallas, Texas 75207
(214) 748-1200












      The 70th annual convention of the National 
Federation of the Blind is being held in Dallas 
at the Hilton Anatole Hotel.  As usual, our hotel 
rates are very good: singles and doubles are $62; 
triples and quads are $67. In addition to the 
room rates, there is a fifteen percent occupancy 
tax.  There is no charge for children under 
sixteen in the room with parents as long as no 
extra bed is required.  Proof of convention 
registration is necessary, including the showing 
of an NFB registration badge if 
requested.  Otherwise, regular hotel rates must 
be paid.  The Hilton Anatole is a non-smoking 
hotel; smoking is permitted only on the Gossip 
patio and fifteen feet from any outside entrance.

HILTON ANATOLE GEOGRAPHY
         The Hilton Anatole consists of two main 
sections—the Atrium and the Tower. The Atrium 
section is further divided into Atrium I and 
Atrium II. At the lobby and mezzanine levels 
Atrium I, Atrium II, and the Tower are connected 
so that you can walk from Atrium I at the far 
east end of the hotel through Atrium II into the 
Tower at the far west end of the hotel as if it 
were one building.  During the time of our 
convention the entire central area of Atrium II 
at the lobby level will be undergoing substantial 
renovation.  This renovation will not impact our 
convention operation in any significant way since 
there will be a well-defined passageway linking 
Atrium I with the Tower.  This passageway will 
run east and west along the south side of Atrium II at the lobby level.
      At levels above the mezzanine, Atrium I and 
Atrium II are contiguous with each other but not 
with the Tower—that is, to reach the sleeping 
rooms, you must use either the Atrium elevators 
or the Tower elevators, depending on which 
section your room is located in. The Tower 
sleeping room elevators do not stop at the 
mezzanine level. The Atrium sleeping room 
elevators stop at the mezzanine level, and you 
can reach the mezzanine level meeting rooms above 
the Atrium I lobby, the Atrium II lobby, and the 
Tower lobby. However, a flight of six or eight 
steps links the Atrium II mezzanine and the Tower 
mezzanine. If these steps are a problem, you can 
take a separate, single elevator that goes from 
the Tower lobby to the Tower mezzanine level. 
This elevator is located just west of the 
business center in the Tower lobby. At the west 
end of the Tower mezzanine is a stairway that 
leads to the Tower lobby. When you come down this 
stairway, you are facing east, and the Chantilly 
Ballroom is slightly ahead and on your right.
      Atrium I is the farthest-east section of 
the hotel and sits slightly south of Atrium II. 
Think of the entire hotel as a high-top tennis 
shoe lying on its side with the sole running 
along the north side, the toe pointing west, and 
the open top to the south. The right angle formed 
where the back of the shoe meets the sole in the 
hotel’s architecture is actually cut on the 
diagonal so that, when entering the hotel on that 
diagonal, you are facing southwest.  Atrium I is 
much shorter in its north-south dimension than 
are Atrium II and the Tower on the east-west 
axis. After you step into the main entrance, a 
left turn takes you towards the check-in desk and Atrium I.
      If you stand with your back to the check-in 
desk, you are facing west. Atrium I is on your 
left, and Atrium II is slightly to your right and 
straight ahead. The Atrium elevators and stairway 
and escalators to the mezzanine-level meeting 
rooms are located just across from the Atrium 
front desk and main entrance in the general area 
where the two Atria join.  Access to the 
temporary passageway between Atrium I and the 
Tower will be located here also.
      The lobby level of Atrium I and the area 
south of the temporary Atrium II passageway 
contains several meeting rooms, a brand new 
restaurant called the Media Grill & Bar, and the 
Grand Ballroom, which is located on the south 
side of Atrium II. The Khmer Pavilion is located 
roughly above the Grand Ballroom.
      The point at which the Atrium II lobby 
joins the Tower lobby is located just beyond the 
west end of the Grand Ballroom foyer.  The exact 
configuration of this juncture is unknown at the 
time of this writing because of the renovations 
in progress.  If any steps still remain by the 
time we arrive, there will be a ramp in place for wheelchair access.

      HOTEL FOOD SERVICE
      Breakfast will be available from 6:00 to 
11:00 am in three locations: Common Ground in 
Atrium 1, serving grab-and-go continental 
breakfasts and ala carte items including hot 
breakfast sandwiches; The Terrace in Atrium 1 
serving full hot breakfasts; and Gossips 
(beginning at 6:30 am) in the Tower serving 
specialty coffees and ala carte items.
      Lunch will be available from 11:00 am to 
2:00 pm in the Common Ground serving soups, 
salads, deli and hot sandwiches, quick 
grab-and-go bag lunches, and other ala carte 
items; in The Terrace from 11:00 am to 2:00 pm 
serving a quick hot “blue plate” special each 
day; in Gossips from 11:00 am to 3:00 pm serving 
deli sandwiches and ala carte items; and in the 
Media Grill & Bar (located on the south side of 
Atrium II between the Atrium escalators and the 
Grand Ballroom) from 11:00 am to 10:00 pm 
offering a full-scale lunch and dinner menu.
      Dinner will be available in the Media Grill 
& Bar until 10:00 pm, with “deep-night” bar and 
selected food service continuing until 2:00 am; 
in the Rathskeller (accessed from the Tower lobby 
across from the potpourri shop), serving a 
typical sports bar menu; and in Nana, the 
five-star restaurant located on the 
twenty-seventh floor of the Tower, from 6:30 to 
10:30 pm.  In addition, sushi will be available 
in Gossips until 2:00 am; a variety of hot and 
cold lite fare will be available in the bar at 
Nana from 4:30 pm to 12:30 am; and room service 
is available on a twenty-four-hour basis.



TEXAS-STYLE BARBEQUE AND LIVE MUSIC IN ANATOLE PARK
         Continue the excitement of convention 
opening day by enjoying a delicious Texas-style 
barbeque with family and friends under the stars in Anatole Park.
Listen to the great acoustical sounds of one of 
Texas’ top performing singers and songwriters, 
Brian Burns, with friends Tommy Alverson and 
Davin James, who bring Texas and American country 
music back to the heart of the matter.  All 
hosted by the NFB of Texas and all happening on 
Tuesday, July 6, starting at 6:00 pm.  Tickets 
(while they last) are $45 per person and can be 
purchased in the registration area.

ROOKIE ROUNDUP
           All first-time convention attendees 
are cordially invited to attend a reception from 
8:00 to 10:00 pm on Saturday, July 3, in the 
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby.  President 
Maurer and other Federation leaders will be on 
hand to welcome you to the convention and preview 
the week’s activities. Veteran conventioneers 
should urge all first-timers to attend this 
special event.  Also, first-time rookies are 
invited to join an informal, fun gathering on 
Monday, July 5, from 12:00 noon to 2:00 pm in the Affiliate Action Suite 2372.

         REGISTRATION & PREREGISTRATION
         Registration activities take place in 
the upper Chantilly foyer, Tower lobby beginning 
at 9:00 am on Sunday, July 4; at 8:30 am on 
Monday, July 5; and at other times as listed 
throughout the week.  The fee for registration at 
convention is $20 per person (if you 
preregistered before May 31, the fee was $15), 
and all those attending the convention (both 
local and outoftown people) are asked to 
register. Convention registration is a 
requirement for door prize eligibility and a 
number of other convention activities. We 
condition rates for hotel rooms on proof of 
registration, including the showing of an NFB 
registration badge if requested. Therefore, 
please register as soon as possible after arrival.

         EXHIBITS
Exhibits (excluding the NFB Independence Market) 
are on display in the Khmer Pavilion, Atrium 
third level.  Exhibit hall hours are:
         Sunday          9:00 am to 5:00 pm
         Monday          8:30 am to 5:00 pm
         Tuesday                 Noon to 1:45 pm; 
Sponsors only from 7:00-10:00 pm
         Wednesday       Noon to 1:45 pm and 7:00 to 10:00 pm
There is a special event for sponsor-level 
exhibitors only on Tuesday, July 6, from 7:00 to 
10:00 pm (see “Special Attention” section and 
agenda listing for more information).  Sign up 
for NFB-NEWSLINE® at the NEWSLINE table.  Any 
alterations in the general session schedule which 
may occur during the convention will result in 
conforming shifts in the exhibit schedule and 
will be announced in the exhibit areas. A number 
of affiliated NFB divisions and committees have tables.

INDEPENDENCE MARKET & SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION
         The Independence Market and the Showroom 
of Innovation will be located in the Grand 
Ballroom, Atrium lobby.  NFB publications, 
products, devices, canes, Louis Braille 
commemorative coins, jewelry, and other items 
will be available. Also in the Showroom of 
Innovation you can preview the nonvisual 
interface technology that might empower driving 
and other advanced applications. Put your hands 
on the wheel, touch the first generation blind 
driver challenge vehicle, and glimpse into the 
future.  Be part of the revolution as we Race for 
Independence. Hours of operation for the Market and the Showroom are:
         Sunday          9:00 am to 5:00 pm
         Monday          8:30 am to 5:00 pm
         Tuesday                 Noon to 1:45 pm
         Wednesday       Noon to 1:45 pm—Note: Final time slot to visit
                                 Independence 
Market and Showroom of Innovation.

MEETINGS
         General sessions of the convention 
convene at 9:00 am in the Chantilly Ballroom, 
Tower lobby on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. 
The convention adjourns promptly at 5:00 pm on 
Thursday, July 8.  Please note that all requests 
for announcements by Dr. Maurer during general 
sessions must be submitted in Braille.

         BANQUET AND BANQUET TICKET EXCHANGE
         The banquet is being held in the 
Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby at 7:00 pm, 
Thursday, July 8.  Banquet tickets purchased at 
convention are $45.00 (the cost was $40 if 
purchased before May 31) and are on sale during 
registration on Sunday, Monday, and 
Tuesday.  Banquet tickets will not be available 
for purchase after Tuesday at 2:00 pm.
         It will be necessary to have your 
banquet ticket with you to attend the banquet; it 
will be collected at the banquet table. 
Arrangements should be made for reserved table 
assignments by taking the ticket(s) you purchase 
to the Banquet Exchange Table in the Chantilly 
lobby area, where you may exchange either an 
individual ticket or a group of tickets for 
reserved seating.  Banquet tables seat ten people.


RELIGIOUS SERVICES AND DEVOTIONS
         On Sunday, July 4, Fr. Gregory Paul, 
C.P., will celebrate a Roman Catholic Mass at 
6:30 am in the Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby.

         Also on Sunday at 11:45 am services for 
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 
will be held in the Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby.

         Devotional services will be held in the 
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby at 8:00 am on Tuesday, 
Wednesday, and Thursday.  Services are 
nonsectarian and will end at least fifteen 
minutes prior to morning convention 
sessions.  Coordinated by the National 
Association of the Blind in Communities of Faith 
Division; Tom Anderson, President.

K-NFB’S BLIO READER
MAKING BOOKS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
      Printed books are becoming digital and 
accessible.  Blio is free e-reader software 
designed for presentation of digital 
media.  Developed and distributed by K-NFB 
Reading Technology, Inc., shop at the online Blio 
bookstore with access to over one million free 
books.  Read wherever you are by syncing your 
digital library to your mobile device. To learn 
more, visit the demonstration sessions listed in 
the agenda on Saturday, Sunday, and Wednesday.

SPECIAL ATTENTION IS CALLED
TO THE FOLLOWING ITEMS
• A Federation Information Desk will be in the 
registration area from Sunday morning, July 4, 
through Thursday, July 8, if you have questions 
or need assistance.  The Texas affiliate will 
also maintain a table near the hotel checkin desk 
in the main lobby to provide assistance and 
hospitality during much of the convention.

• When you register, you will be given a name 
badge. Please wear it at all times during the convention.

• The room number for the Presidential Suite is 
2572.  Someone will be on hand in the 
Presidential Suite throughout most of the 
convention to greet you and make appointments for 
you with the President or anyone else you wish to 
see.  The Presidential Suite will not be open 
during the business sessions of the convention, 
the Monday morning Board of Directors meeting, or 
the Thursday evening banquet. Come to the 
Presidential Suite. You will be most welcome.



• The room number for Mary Ellen Jernigan, 
Chairwoman of Convention Organization and 
Activities, is 2472. Questions concerning hotel 
rooms, meeting rooms, banquet, scheduling, 
registration, and other matters dealing with 
convention arrangements should be referred to the 
Chairwoman of Convention Organization and Activities.

• Individuals needing to conduct business with 
the NFB Treasurer may do so by going to the Opal 
Room, Tower lobby on Tuesday, July 6, between 
5:30 and 7:30 pm, or on Wednesday, July 7, between 12:00 noon and 2:00 pm.

• The Texas Suite (Angela Wolf, President) is 2272.

• The Affiliate Action and Rookie Activities 
Suite (Joanne Wilson and Pam Allen, Coordinators) is 2372.

• Child-care services for children between the 
ages of six weeks and ten years are available 
during convention sessions, most meetings, and 
the banquet.  Preregistration and payment by June 
15 were required for child-care.

         Child-care is organized and supervised 
by Carla McQuillan, the executive director of 
Main Street Montessori Association.  Alison 
McQuillan serves as the activities and staff 
coordinator.  Please note that child-care 
provides morning and afternoon snacks, but 
parents are required to provide lunch for their 
child(ren) every day. Times listed are the 
opening and closing times for child-care. A late 
fee of $10 per quarter-hour per child will be 
assessed for all late pickups.  Child-care hours are:
Saturday, 7/3           8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
Sunday, 7/4             Closed
Monday, 7/5             8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
Tuesday, 7/6            9:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
Wednesday, 7/7          8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
Thursday, 7/8           8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
Banquet 7/8              6:30 pm to 30 minutes after banquet ends

• A Special Evening for Sponsor-Level 
Exhibitors:  Again this year, the exhibit hall 
will reopen from 7:00 to 10:00 pm on Tuesday, 
July 6, for a very special evening dedicated 
solely to Sponsor-Level Exhibitors. Come and 
bring a guest to say “thank you” to our sponsors 
and to enjoy their interesting offers and demonstrations.

• The always popular Showcase of Talent is back 
again at 7:00 pm on Wednesday, July 7, presented 
by the Performing Arts Division.  Admission price 
is $5.00. If you would like to participate in the 
Showcase, make sure to sign up early by 
contacting a Performing Arts Division board member at the convention.

• Raffle tickets will not be sold in the 
registration area, and no raffles or other such 
drawings will take place during convention 
sessions or at the banquet. The single exception 
to this rule will be that national divisions may 
(if they request it in advance) conduct such 
drawings during the convention or at the 
banquet.  The Sapphire Room, Tower lobby will be 
set aside at 12:00 noon on Thursday, July 8, for 
all other drawings. Any group or affiliate 
wishing to conduct drawings at this time (or any 
person wishing to know the winners) may go at 
noon on Thursday to the Sapphire Room.

AFFILIATED DIVISIONS, COMMITTEES, AND GROUPS
         The Federation carries on its business 
through divisions, committees, and groups. The 
meetings of some of these have been scheduled for 
particular times and are listed in the agenda. 
Others have not been formally scheduled but will 
meet at the call of their chairpersons or 
presidents. If you have matters that you would 
like to discuss with any of the following 
divisions, committees, or groups, you should contact:

Divisions:
• Agriculture and Equestrian: Fred Chambers, President;
• Assistive Technology Trainers:  Michael Barber, President;
• Classics, Antiques, and Rods or Special Interest Vehicles (CARS):
         Joseph B. Naulty, President;
• Deaf-Blind: Burnell Brown, President;
• Diabetes Action Network for the Blind: Michael Freeman, President;
• Human Services: David Stayer, President;
• National Association of the Blind in Communities of Faith: Tom Anderson,
         President;
• National Association of Blind Entrepreneurs: James R. Bonerbo,
         President;
• National Association of Blind Lawyers: Scott LaBarre, President;
• National Association of Blind Merchants: Kevan Worley, President;
• National Association of Blind Office Professionals: Lisa Hall, President;
• National Association of Blind Piano Technicians: Don Mitchell, President;
• National Association of Blind Rehabilitation Professionals: Melody
         Lindsey, President;
• National Association of Blind Students: Arielle Silverman, President;
• National Association of Blind Veterans: Dwight Sayer, President;
• National Association of Guide Dog Users: Marion Gwizdala, President;
• National Association to Promote the Use of 
Braille (NAPUB): Nadine Jacobson, President;
Divisions, Continued:
• National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science: Curtis Chong,
         President;
• National Federation of the Blind Krafters: Joyce Kane, President;
• National Federation of the Blind Seniors: Judy Sanders, President;
• National Organization of Blind Educators: Sheila Koenig, President;
• National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC): Carol
         Castellano, President;
• Performing Arts: Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President;
• Public Employees: Ivan Weich, President;
• Science and Engineering: John Miller, President;
• Sports and Recreation: Lisamaria Martinez, President;
• Travel and Tourism: Don Gillmore, President;
• Writers: Robert Leslie Newman, President.

Committees:
• Ambassadors: Angela Wolf, Chairperson;
• Blind Educator of the Year Award: David Ticchi, Chairperson;
• Committee on Assistive Technology (COAT): Curtis Chong, Chairperson;
• Committee on Automobile and Pedestrian Safety (CAPS): Deborah Kent
         Stein, Chairperson;
• Committee to Empower Underserved Populations (CEUP): Ron Brown,
         Chairperson;
• Cultural Exchange and International Program: Diane McGeorge,
         Chairperson;
• Distinguished Educator of Blind Children Award: Cathy Jackson,
         Chairperson;
• Employment: Buna Dahal, Chairperson;
• Genetic Education: Barbara Pierce, Chairperson;
• Imagination Fund: Parnell Diggs, Chairperson;
• Jacobus tenBroek Award: Ramona Walhof, Chairperson;
• Jacobus tenBroek Memorial Fund: Tami Jones, Chairperson;
• Kenneth Jernigan Fund: Allen Harris, Chairperson;
• Library Services: David Hyde, Chairperson;
• Loan Fund: Donald C. Capps, Chairperson;
• Membership: Ron Gardner, Chairperson;
• Newel Perry Award: Allen Harris, Chairperson;
• Newsletter Publications: Norma Crosby, Chairperson;
• NFB-NEWSLINE® Steering: David DeNotaris, Chairperson;
• PAC Plan: Scott LaBarre, Chairperson;
• Planned Giving: John Halverson, Chairperson;
• Promotion, Evaluation, and Advancement of Technology: Gary Wunder,
         Chairperson;
Committees, Continued:
• Public Relations: Christopher Danielsen, Chairperson;
• Research and Development: Curtis Chong, Chairperson;
• Resolutions: Sharon Maneki, Chairperson;
• Scholarship: Anil Lewis, Chairperson;
• Shares Unlimited in NFB (SUN): Sandy Halverson, Chairperson;
• Spanish Translation: Norman Gardner, Chairperson;
• White Cane and Affiliate Finance: Alpidio Rolón, Chairperson.

Groups:
• Blind Musicians: Linda Mentink, Chairperson;
• Blind Parents: Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson;
• Blind Professional Journalists: Elizabeth Campbell and Bryan Bashin,
         Co-Chairpersons;
• Educators of Blind Children: Gail Wagner, Chairperson;
• Geordi's Engineers: Lorraine Rovig, Chairperson;
• Legislative Initiatives Discussion: Don Burns, Coordinator;
• Living History: Michael Freholm, Chairperson;
• NFB Ham Radio: D. Curtis Willoughby, Chairperson;
• NFB in Judaism: David Stayer, Chairperson;
• NFB Lions: Ramona Walhof and Milton Ota, Co-Chairpersons;
• Orientation and Mobility: Edward C. Bell, Chairperson;
• Professionals in Blindness Education: Heather Field, Chairperson
• Webmasters: Gary Wunder, Chairperson.


         CONVENTION AGENDA
  SATURDAY, JULY 3, 2010

7:30 - 8:45 am—HAM RADIO GROUP EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS
Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
Discuss convention frequencies, hotel 
architectural features, and distributing special 
FM receivers for the hearing-impaired and 
Spanish-speaking attendees. D. Curtis Willoughby (ka0vba), Chairperson

7:30 am - 6:30 pm—EDUCATION: TOP DOWN AND BOTTOM UP
Parent, Teacher, Rehabilitation, and Orientation 
& Mobility Joint Conference for Families and 
Rehabilitation Professionals (7:30 to 8:45 am—Registration;

12:00 noon - 2:00 pm—NBPCB Awards Luncheon in Morocco Room)
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
         NOPBC Fees: Adults $30; Youth (13-18) $20; Children (5-12) $10
         NBPCB Fees (includes lunch): Students $75; Professionals $100
         Note: Conference admission included with either registration above.
Sponsors: National Organization of Parents of 
Blind Children (NOPBC); National Blindness 
Professional Certification Board (NBPCB); 
National Association of Blind Rehabilitation 
Professionals (NABRP); and the Professional 
Development & Research Institute on Blindness 
(PDRIB) at the Louisiana Tech University. 
Chairpersons: Carol Castellano and Edward Bell

8:30 am—CHILD-CARE (Preregistration by June 15 was required)
Batik A & B and Cardinal A & B Rooms, Atrium Mezzanine
Please see “Special Attention” section of agenda for further information.

8:30 - 11:30 am—WHAT’S NEW IN JAWS 11 AND A FIRST 
LOOK AT JAWS 12—FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC, INC.
Senators Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
Join Eric Damery, JAWS Product Manager, for an 
exciting and informative session covering the new 
details surrounding JAWS development during the 
past year.  In addition to many demonstrations of 
JAWS 11 with Research It, this will also be the 
first look at JAWS 12 scheduled for public beta in August 2010.

9:00 am - 12:00 noon—GW MICRO: SENSE NOTETAKER 
AND BOOKSENSE TRAINING (Registration: $10; refreshments provided)
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
The Braille Sense Plus and other Sense notetakers 
are exciting devices in Braille notetaker 
technology.  Learn new features, including the GW 
Sense Navigation GPS.  See the BookSense in 
action; play your books and audio files with 
ease.  Raul Gallegos and Jeremy Curry. To register, call 260-489-3671.
  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

9:00 am - 5:00 pm—NFB JERNIGAN INSTITUTE’S ACCESS TECHNOLOGY SEMINARS
Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby

     9:00 - 11:30 am—Apple’s Mac system, iPod series, iPhone, and iPad
     1:00 - 2:00 pm—Ebay’s accessibility improvements
     2:15 - 3:30 pm—Blackboard Learn, the online platform for education
     3:45 - 5:00 pm—Accessing e-Books rapidly expanding market

9:00 am - 5:00 pm—EMPLOYMENT COMMITTEE SEMINAR
Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
     9:00 am–Registration; 9:30 am–Seminar begins
Staying on the cutting edge—what does it 
take?  If you are seeking a job or focused on 
career advancement, don't miss this excellent 
opportunity to explore the building blocks of 
evolutionary employment.  Buna Dahal, Chairperson

9:30 am - 2:30 pm—SENIORS SEMINAR: INTRO TO BLINDNESS SKILLS
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
Please note—attendance is limited to around 
thirty-five people, so arrive promptly.  Blind 
instructors introduce seniors to basic blindness 
skills: Braille, use of the long white cane, 
games, etc.  Co-chaired by Ruth Sager and Ramona 
Walhof; Judy Sanders, President, NFB Seniors Division

10:30 am - 12:00 noon—“WHERE PAST, PRESENT, AND 
FUTURE COME TOGETHER”—NFB YOUTH TRACK (AGES 11 TO 18)
Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
Kick off this year’s Youth Track activities with 
fun icebreakers and meet new friends.  This is 
also a time for youth to debate the age-old 
issues of blindness while putting a fresh new 
spin on them for today.  All Youth Track 
activities are sponsored by the NFB Jernigan 
Institute; Mary Jo Hartle, Coordinator

12:45 - 1:45 pm—WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB 
JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS—SESSION ONE 
(Session Two: Sunday at 5:30 pm; Session Three: Monday at 7:30 pm)
Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
Session One covers research, history, and our literature.
Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute


  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

1:00 - 3:00 pm—FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC; OPENBOOK 9 AND 
PEARL PORTABLE READING SOLUTION
Senators Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
Have lightning fast OCR with OpenBook in a 
portable solution that folds up.  Connect via a 
USB port and scan documents. Have them read aloud 
using Eloquence voices or any of Real Speak Solo 
Direct human-sounding voices now available on 
OpenBook. Magnify work, write under the camera, and reformat text.

1:00 - 5:00 pm—HUMANWARE PRODUCT SHOWCASE AND USER GROUPS
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Sessions: 1:00 Breeze; 2:00 Portable Devices; 3:00 Stream; 4:00 BrailleNote
Join HumanWare to learn about recent updates and 
share product tips. Give us your suggestions or 
ask questions about your favorite HumanWare 
product. Door Prizes for every session!

1:00 - 6:00 pm—KRAFTERS DIVISION CRAFT SHOW
Topaz Room, Tower lobby
If you are interested in crafts and appreciate 
hand-made items, this is the place to be!  Come 
and meet some very talented Federation crafters 
and purchase their beautiful items for sale. Joyce Kane, President

1:30 - 2:45 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel.

2:00 - 3:00 pm—NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
         The Conquest of Independence
         Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Helpful strategies for raising and working with a young blind child.
         Instructor: Carla McQuillan

         The Blind Student in Science Class
         Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Tools and techniques to include blind 
students in all aspects of science.
         Instructors: Cary Supalo, Dr. Lillian 
Rankel, Marilyn Winograd, and Dr.
         Andrew Greenberg

  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS, Cont’d.
         Braille Reading Rates
         Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
Your child can become a Braille-reading speed demon!
Instructors: Jerry Whittle and Dr. Eric Vasiliauskas

Let Your Child Grow Up!
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
When is the right time to begin stepping back as a parent?
Instructors: Rosy Carranza and Andrea Beasley

2:00 - 5:00 pm—GOAL BALL; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
Gym, Verandah area
Lisamaria Martinez, President

2:00 - 5:00 pm—GW MICRO: WINDOW-EYES TRAINING 
(Registration: $10; refreshments provided)
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Explore the power of Window-Eyes with advanced 
scripting support, Office 2010, Windows 7, and 
much more.  Come to see support for the Internet 
and scripting provided by a screen 
reader.  Presenters: Jeremy Curry and Raul 
Gallegos. To register, call 260-489-3671.

2:00 - 5:00 pm—YOUTH TRACK CONCURRENT WORKSHOP SESSIONS
         Preparing for the Future:
         Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
         2:00 - 3:30 pm—High School Readiness (ages 11-14)
         3:30 - 5:00 pm—College Readiness (ages 14-18)

         Working Out Workouts:
         Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
         2:00 - 3:30 pm—For ages 14-18
         3:30 - 5:00 pm—For ages 11-14

         Looking Good without Looking:
         Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
         2:00 - 3:30 pm—For ages 14-18
         3:30 - 5:00 pm—For ages 11-14


  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

3:00 - 4:30 pm—TEACHER RECRUITMENT INITIATIVE
Affiliate Action Suite 2372
If you are interested in improving the education 
of blind students, please join us. Learn how to 
contact universities in your area, put on 
recruitment presentations, and spread the word about this rewarding career.
Hosted by the NFB Affiliate Action Team

3:00 - 4:45 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel.

3:15 - 4:15 pm—NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS

ABC and 1, 2, 3
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
Early literacy and number understanding at home and at school.
Instructors:  Heather Field and Stephanie Kieszak-Holloway

I Survived Math Class
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Tips to ensure your child understands, keeps up 
with, and even learns to love math.

         Social Skills
         Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Strategies for fostering the development 
of age-appropriate social skills.
         Instructors: Denise Mackenstadt and Angela Frederick

         Low Vision: Focus on Success
         Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Prepare your low vision child for 
success in school, at home, and in social
         life.  Instructors: Marla Palmer and Mark Riccobono

4:30 - 5:30 pm—NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
Get Your Child Going!
Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
Enhance and promote independent movement in the 
young or delayed child.  Instructor: Denise Mackenstadt

  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS, Cont’d.

Technology
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Available technology; hear from students on how 
they employ it.  Instructors: Richard Holloway and blind students

         Behavior: From Control to Support in Five Easy Lessons
         Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Steps to turn problem behavior into positive behavior.
         Instructor: Dr. Jerry Petroff

         Is Your Child Job Ready?
         Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
         Learn how your child can gain experience and skills.

5:00 - 7:00 pm—SPANISH SEMINAR
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Blindness is blindness, no matter what the 
language.  Meet new and old friends; learn about 
Federation philosophy and the truth about 
blindness—in Spanish.  Moderator: Alpidio Rolón

5:00 - 8:00 pm—MIX-AND-MINGLE RECEPTION FOR 
PARENTS AND REHABILITATION PROFESSIONALS
Morocco Room, Tower mezzanine

6:00 - 10:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GUIDE DOG 
USERS (NAGDU) BUSINESS MEETING
Emerald Room, Tower lobby
   6:00 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Meeting begins
Find out about legal cases that NAGDU and NFB are 
involved in; learn about the work and development 
of affiliate divisions; celebrate the launch of 
the NAGDU Education and Advocacy Hotline; elect 
your division leaders. Marion Gwizdala, President





  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

6:30 - 10:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND OFFICE PROFESSIONALS
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
    6:30 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Meeting begins
Learn about new technology and how blind 
telephone operators, receptionists, customer 
service reps, Braille transcribers and 
proofreaders, and other office workers solve 
problems and challenges in the office setting.  Lisa Hall, President

7:00 - 8:30 pm—LIVING HISTORY GROUP
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
Dedicated to recording, preserving, and 
appreciating Federation history.  Michael Freholm, Chairperson

7:00 - 9:00 pm—NOPBC FAMILY HOSPITALITY NIGHT
Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
Relax and chat in an informal atmosphere.  This 
is a great opportunity for new families to meet 
and connect with others.  Veteran parents will be 
on hand to welcome and provide information.

7:00 - 10:00 pm—INDEPENDENCE SCIENCE, LLC FOCUS GROUP ONE
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
(Preregistration by May 15 was required to 
attend.) Independence Science LLC, in 
collaboration with Purdue University researchers, 
is collecting feedback on a new portable handheld 
data collection device for blind students to use 
in high school science laboratories.  (Focus 
Group Two meets Monday at 7:00 pm)

7:30 - 9:00 pm—knfbReader MOBILE USERS MEETING
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Conducted by Michael Hingson

7:30 - 11:00 pm—SALSA DANCE LESSIONS AND LATIN DANCE PARTY
Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
Get into the “rhythm” of the convention—learn the 
salsa!  Group and individual instructions 
provided at any level of proficiency.  Fee of 
$5.00 benefits the NFB Spanish Translation 
Committee.  Add salsa dancing to your repertoire; people will be impressed.




  SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued

8:00 - 9:00 pm—WHITE CANE AND AFFILIATE FINANCE COMMITTEE
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Alpidio Rolón, Chairperson

8:00 - 10:00 pm—NFB LIONS GROUP
Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
NFB members who would like to join a Lions Club 
or are already Lions are urged to meet to share 
ideas and experiences.  Please wear your shirts 
or vests for a photo. Co-Chairpersons: Ramona Walhof and Milton Ota

8:00 - 10:00 pm—ROOKIE ROUNDUP RECEPTION
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
First-time convention attendees—don’t miss this 
event!  President Maurer and former rookies will 
be on hand to welcome you and answer questions 
about the week’s activities. Casual dress. 
Coordinator: Pam Allen, Director of the Louisiana 
Center for the Blind and President of the NFB of Louisiana

8:00 pm - midnight—KARAOKE NIGHT?? (Admission: $5.00)
Peacock Terrace, West Wing
Enjoy music, door prizes, and a cash bar; meet 
BLIND, Incorporated’s students and alumni and 
share their experiences from training.  Here’s 
your chance to sing like a rock star; Braille 
song lists are available.  Hosted by BLIND, Inc.

9:00 - 10:00 pm—NFB AMBASSADORS COMMITTEE MEETING
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Angela Wolf, Chairperson













  SUNDAY, JULY 4, 2010

6:30 - 7:30 am—ROMAN CATHOLIC MASS
Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
Father Gregory Paul, C.P., Celebrant

9:00 am - 5:00 pm—REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND 
BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH); Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby

9:00 am - 5:00 pm—INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND 
SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION—Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby

9:00 am 5:00 pm—EXHIBITS—Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level

11:45 am - 1:15 pm—CHURCH SERVICES FOR THE CHURCH 
OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby

1:00 - 2:00 pm—BLIND MUSICIANS GROUP
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Share ideas and tips and network with other blind musicians.
Linda Mentink, Chairperson

1:00 - 5:00 pm—SELF-DEFENSE CLASS; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
De Soto A & B Rooms, West Wing
Lisamaria Martinez, President

1:00 - 5:00 pm—AUTO SHOW (CLASSICS, ANTIQUES, AND SPECIAL INTEREST VEHICLES)
Clock Tower Parking Lot
Presented by the NFB CARS Division; Joe Naulty, President

1:00 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL CERTIFICATION IN LITERARY 
BRAILLE (NCLB) OFFICIAL EXAMINATION—SECTIONS ONE AND TWO
Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
Participants must have preregistered.  Exam 
sections three and four are on Monday at 1:00 
pm.  Sponsored by the National Blindness Professional Certification Board



  SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued

1:00 - 6:30 pm—PROFESSIONALS IN BLINDNESS EDUCATION
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
Heather Field, Chairperson

1:30 pm—RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE
Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
Sharon Maneki, Chairperson

1:30 - 2:45 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel

2:00 - 4:30 pm—OPEN BRAILLE INITIATIVE
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
To make access to Braille easier, a group of 
prominent Braille device manufacturers have come 
together to develop and maintain an Open Standard 
for communications between screen readers and 
Braille displays.  Do you want to know more? Join 
us for the OpenBraille initiative presentation.

2:30 - 5:30 pm—TRAVEL AND TOURISM DIVISION
Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
Don Gillmore, President

3:00 - 4:45 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel

3:00 - 5:00 pm—WHAT’S NEW WITH NFB-NEWSLINE®
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Learn about the NFB’s free audible newspaper 
service for the blind and visually 
impaired.  Topics cover Podable News, the new 
voices, the new on-demand article request 
feature, and more.  Sign up for NFB-NEWSLINE® at its exhibit hall table.

4:00 - 5:30 pm—SLATE MATES—NFB YOUTH TRACK (Ages 11-18)
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Pair up with members of the NFB Writers Division 
to learn the tricks of the trade to become a good 
writer.  Bring your questions, and put your interests to work.
  SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued

4:00 - 6:00 pm—FEDERATION REGENERATION
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Learn how to develop quality programs for youth 
in your state while regenerating your Federation 
spirit.  Presented by the NFB Jernigan Institute Education Team

4:30 - 6:00 pm—THIRTEENTH ANNUAL MOCK 
TRIAL—National Association of Blind Lawyers; Scott LaBarre, President
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
Admission: $5.00.  Federation lawyers are pitted 
against each other reenacting an old Federation 
case with the audience serving as the 
jury.  Although the subject matter is very 
serious, the courtroom portrayers are very entertaining.

5:30 - 6:30 pm—WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB 
JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS—SESSION TWO (Session Three: Monday at 7:30)
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
Session Two covers access technology and product development.
Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute

5:30 - 8:00 pm—NEWSLETTER PUBLICATIONS COMMITTEE
Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
Annual meeting and workshop for affiliate 
newsletter editors.  Norma Crosby, Chairperson

6:00 - 8:00 pm—STORY TIME IDOL—NFB WRITERS DIVISION
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Tell and/or listen to tall and scary 
stories.  Cost is $5.00 at the door and $1.00 to 
tell a story.  Idol winners share in the take!  Robert Leslie Newman, President

6:00 - 10:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS (NABS)
Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
    6:00 pm–Registration ($5.00); 7:00 pm–Meeting
Students, young professionals, parents, teachers, 
and anyone interested in learning about issues 
affecting blind students are welcome to attend.
Arielle Silverman, President







  SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued

6:30 - 8:00 pm—NFB AFFILIATE PRESIDENTS AND TREASURERS SEMINAR
Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
All affiliate presidents and treasurers are asked 
to attend this session.  Topics include internal 
controls, state charitable registrations, 
end-of-year preparations, and discussing 
individual state issues with facilitators Charlie 
Brown, Ron Gardner, Bridgid Burke, and Nick Lambright

7:00 - 8:30 pm—MEET THE BLIND MONTH ACTIVITIES 
AND OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS SEMINAR: PLANS AND ACTION EQUAL SUCCESS
Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
October is “Meet the Blind Month.” Come and 
brainstorm with us as we look for fresh ideas for 
Meet the Blind Month!  Learn new fundraising 
ideas, and get your chapter ready to change 
public perceptions of blindness. Karen Zakhnini, NFB Jernigan Institute

7:00 - 8:30 pm—PUBLIC EMPLOYEES DIVISION
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
Ivan Weich, President

7:00 - 10:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND VETERANS
Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Discussing plans to increase our division 
membership in the coming year and holding elections.  Dwight Sayer, President

7:30 - 9:30 pm—MEMBERSHIP COMMITTEE: FINDING, 
ATTRACTING, AND KEEPING NEW MEMBERS IN OUR CHAPTERS AND AFFILIATES
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Success only comes before work in the 
dictionary.  Let’s discuss creative ideas to 
increase our membership. Ron Gardner, Chairperson

7:30 - 9:30 pm—LIBRARY SERVICES COMMITTEE
Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
David Hyde, Chairperson

7:30 - 9:30 pm—BLIND PARENTS GROUP
Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson



  SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued

8:00 - 9:00 pm—JUDAISM MEETING
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
David Stayer, Chairperson, NFB in Judaism Group

8:00 - 9:30 pm—WEBMASTERS MEETING
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
A meeting for all NFB affiliate and division 
Webmasters to discuss the importance of an 
informative, accessible, and visually attractive Website.
Gary Wunder, Chairperson, Webmasters Group

9:00 - 10:00 pm—SPANISH TRANSLATION COMMITTEE
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
Norman Gardner, Chairperson



   MONDAY, JULY 5, 2010

8:30 am - 5:00 pm—INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND 
SHOWCASE OF INNOVATION—Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby

8:30 am 5:00 pm—EXHIBITS—Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level

8:30 am - 5:00 pm—REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND 
BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH); Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby

9:00 11:30 am—NFB BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING (Open to all)
Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby

12:00 noon - 1:15 pm—THE DIVISION FOR ME—NFB YOUTH TRACK
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Meet-and-greet with division representatives to 
discover the NFB’s dynamic and diverse 
divisions.  Chat with knowledgeable reps about 
what’s happening now in their divisions and 
what’s in the works for the future.  Our 
divisions are progressive—join up and join in the fun.

12:00 noon - 2:00 pm—FIRST-TIME NFB CONVENTION ATTENDEES
Affiliate Action Suite 2372
Is this your first National Federation of the 
Blind convention? If so, please bring your own 
lunch and participate in a fun gathering; meet 
some friendly people and have your convention 
questions answered by experienced Federationists.

12:30 - 5:00 pm—DIABETES ACTION NETWORK (DAN) SEMINAR
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
    12:30 pm–Registration; 1:00 pm–Meeting begins
Learn about research updates on the use of 
insulin pens by Dr. Ann Williams, strategies to 
get medical insurance providers to cover diabetes 
management equipment accessible to the blind, and 
more.  Mike Freeman, President

12:30 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS (NABL)
L’Entrecote Room, Atrium lobby
    12:30 pm - Registration; 1:00 pm - Meeting begins
Examine laws affecting blind people and others 
with disabilities; address ongoing struggles to 
gain equal access to Web sites, employment, legal 
texts and exams. Scott LaBarre, President


   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

12:30 - 5:00 pm—NFB IN COMPUTER SCIENCE
Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
    12:30 pm–Registration; 1:00 pm–Meeting begins
Some of the topics include: the Macintosh as a 
productivity tool for the blind; Solona, a 
CAPTCHA-solving service; Association of 
Information Technology Professionals 
presentation; accessibility to Microsoft’s 
products by its director of accessibility, Rob 
Sinclair; elections; and much more.  Curtis Chong, President

12:30 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF THE BLIND IN COMMUNITIES OF FAITH
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
    12:30 pm–Registration; 1:00 pm–Meeting begins
The theme is “Meeting Challenges: Gaining 
Opportunities.”  Speakers tell how their faith 
has helped them face and overcome challenges; 
also hear representatives from various 
faith-based libraries and publishing houses 
describe what their organizations do. Tom Anderson, President

12:30 - 5:00 pm—SPORTS AND RECREATION DIVISION ANNUAL MEETING
Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
    12:30 pm–Registration; 1:00 pm–Meeting begins
Wear your sweats and come ready for hands-on 
presentations, audible darts, and more!  Lisamaria Martinez, President

1:00 3:00 pm—PUBLIC RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING & SEMINAR
Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Don't wait for the media to discover you—come and 
share ideas and strategies on how to harness the 
power of the media! Topics: crafting press 
releases, pitching stories, and giving 
informative interviews. Chris Danielsen, Chairperson

1:00 - 4:00 pm—PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION
Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
General meeting with elections, an introduction 
to our new state divisions, and speakers.  Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President

1:00 - 4:15 pm—NOPBC DIVISION ANNUAL MEETING: ISSUES AND ADVANCES IN EDUCATION
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
Carol Castellano, President


  MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

1:00 - 4:30 pm—NOPBC ACTIVITIES FOR MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOLERS

1:00 - 2:30 pm—Diggin’ Into Science (ages 11-14)
Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
Hands-on science fun with instant snow, magnets, volcanoes, etc.
Instructors: Dr. Lillian A. Rankel and Marilyn 
Winograd, with assistance from chemists Cary Supalo and Dr. Andrew Greenberg

3:00 - 4:30 pm—Peer-to-Peer Technology (ages 11-18)
Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
Calling all geeks to expound on technology you love and love to hate.
Moderators: Jeremiah Beasley and John Fritz

3:00 - 4:30 pm—The Future Is Here in Science (ages 14-18)
         Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
         Hands-on chemistry activities; understanding chemical phenomena.
         Instructors: Dr. Lillian A. Rankel, 
Marilyn Winograd, Cary Supalo, and Dr.
         Andrew Greenberg

1:00 - 4:30 pm—NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF BLIND EDUCATORS
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
    1:00 pm–Registration; 1:30 pm–Meeting begins
Blind teachers discuss techniques they use in 
their classrooms; participants also meet in 
groups specific to grade level and content areas 
of interest to create a network of mentors.  If 
you teach or are considering a career in teaching 
at any level, please join us. Sheila Koenig, President

1:00 5:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND 
MERCHANTS REVOLUTIONIZING RANDOLPH-SHEPPARD: 
CREATING NEW, ROBUST, AND DIVERSE SMALL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BLIND
De La Salle Room, West Wing
   1:00 pm–Registration; 1:30 pm–Meeting begins
The title says it all. Let’s continue to protect 
and defend the Randolph-Sheppard Program. The 
need to expand business opportunities and to 
develop new business initiatives for the blind of America is pressing.
At Your Service, Kevan Worley, President




  MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

1:00 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL CERTIFICATION IN LITERARY 
BRAILLE (NCLB) OFFICIAL EXAMINATION—SECTIONS THREE AND FOUR
Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
Participants must have preregistered.  Sponsored 
by the National Blindness Professional Certification Board

1:00 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND REHABILITATION PROFESSIONALS
Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
    1:00 pm–Registration; 2:00 pm–Meeting begins
Network, share mutual interests, find placement 
strategies, and examine and discuss concerns and 
current issues.  Melody Lindsey, President

1:00 - 5:00 pm—“SENIORS IN CHARGE”—NFB SENIORS 
DIVISION MEETING AND (SOMEWHAT) SILENT AUCTION
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Join us to hear enthusiastic seniors share ideas 
about what they are doing; find out ways to 
spread our message of hope to seniors who have 
recently become blind.  And then, of course, we 
are also having our very popular not-so-silent auction. Judy Sanders, President

1:00 - 6:00 pm—HUMAN SERVICES DIVISION
Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
    1:00–Registration; 2:00–Meeting begins; 5:00—Mingle and network
Psychologists; social workers; counselors; and 
music, art, or dance therapists meet to discuss 
topics and network.  David Stayer, President

1:30 3:00 pm—CULTURAL EXCHANGE AND INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM COMMITTEE
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Diane McGeorge, Chairperson

1:30 - 4:30 pm—WRITERS DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Update members on division business, announce the 
2010 winners of the youth and adult writing 
contests, visit with a published author and 
member of the NFB, and plan for the future. Robert Leslie Newman, President


   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

3:00 - 5:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND PIANO TECHNICIANS
Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
Piano tuning has long been considered one of the 
stereotypical career choices for the blind.  Is 
this true? What can we do about it? Don Mitchell, President

5:00 - 6:30 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS (NABL) RECEPTION
L’Entrecote Room, Atrium lobby
For NABL members and seminar participants only to 
promote networking and fellowship within our 
membership. Hors d'oeuvres and cash bar available.
Scott LaBarre, President

5:00 - 7:00 pm—BRAILLE BOOK FLEA MARKET
De Soto A & B Rooms, West Wing
A book lover’s dream! Browse tables of new and 
used Braille and print/Braille books.  UPS 
volunteers will ship the books to your home free 
of charge.  Donations requested to support the 
Braille Readers are Leaders program.  Cosponsored 
by NOPBC and NAPUB.  Coordinator: Peggy Chong

5:30 - 7:00 pm—KURZWEIL 1000 USERS’ CONTINGENT
Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Join the Kurzweil 1000 Users’ Contingent!  Meet 
with Steve Baum, Vice President of Engineering, 
and share some Kurzweil 1000 
experiences.  Kurzweil 1000 is our 
state-of-the-art, text-to-speech and life 
navigation software for blind and visually impaired readers.

6:00 - 9:00 pm—INDOOR ROWING; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
Lisamaria Martinez, President

6:00 - 10:00 pm—BACK TO BASICS: FOUNDATIONS IN 
MEMBERSHIP AND CHAPTER DEVELOPMENT
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
Topics: running a purposeful chapter meeting, 
building membership, community projects and 
chapter fundraising, working with youth, and 
weaving Federation philosophy into local 
meetings.  Presented by the NFB Affiliate Action Team




   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

6:00 - 10:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GUIDE DOG 
USERS (NAGDU) SILVER ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION AND SEMINAR
Emerald Room, Tower lobby
    6:00 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Seminar begins
Join us in celebrating twenty-five years of 
education and advocacy on behalf of guide dog 
users, recognize our founders and past leaders, 
initiate future projects, and “test drive” a 
guide dog!  Marion Gwizdala, President

6:30 - 9:30 pm—SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING DIVISION
Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
   6:30 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Meeting begins
John Miller, President

6:30 - 10:00 pm—ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY TRAINERS DIVISION
Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
   6:30 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Meeting begins
Topics: determining the right note taker for your 
student; plunging without fear into Windows 7 
with Cathyanne Murtha of Access Technology 
Institute; Jsay Pro; and teaching the Mac.  Michael Barber, President

7:00 - 8:30 pm—“BROKEN-HEARTED RIVER TO FREEDOM” 
a play by Jerry Whittle (Admission: $5.00; Second 
Performance is at 9:00 pm)
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
A man loses his sight during the Civil War, 
returns home, and learns to deal with his 
blindness and family.  The play is performed by 
the Louisiana Center for the Blind Players; 
proceeds go to the Louisiana Center for the 
Blind’s summer training program for blind children.

7:00 - 9:00 pm—CLASSICS, ANTIQUES, AND RODS 
(CARS) DIVISION SEMINAR AND BUSINESS MEETING
Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
Come and hear speakers from automobile clubs talk 
about their activities and participate in the 
division business meeting. Joseph B. Naulty, President

7:00 - 9:00 pm—COMMITTEE TO EMPOWER UNDERSERVED POPULATIONS
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Ron Brown, Chairperson

   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

7:00 - 9:00 pm—NATIONAL ASSOCIATION TO PROMOTE 
THE USE OF BRAILLE (NAPUB) SEMINAR
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Hear about the remaining commemorative Louis 
Braille silver dollars and how to get one, NFB 
Share Braille Website, and more.  Nadine Jacobson, President

7:00 - 10:00 pm—INDEPENDENCE SCIENCE FOCUS GROUP TWO
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
(Preregistration by May 15 was required to 
attend.) Independence Science LLC, in 
collaboration with Purdue University researchers, 
is collecting feedback on a new portable handheld 
data collection device for blind students to use 
in high school science laboratories.

7:30 - 8:30 pm—ME AND THE GOSSIP GIRLS—NFB YOUTH TRACK
Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine–Ages 11-14
Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine–Ages 14-18
Girls—bring your questions and thoughts about 
makeup, dating, or how to get more involved in 
your school.  Discussions will be led by blind 
mentors.  Parents, please respect this is for teens only!

7:30 - 8:30 pm— ME AND THE GUYS—NFB YOUTH TRACK
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine–Ages 11-14
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine–Ages 14-18
Guys—talk about cars, dating, school, or how to 
nail that perfect job to make a little extra 
money.  Discussions will be led by blind mentors. 
Parents, please respect this is for teens only!

7:30 - 8:45 pm—WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB 
JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS—SESSION THREE
Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Session Three covers education programs.
Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute

7:30 - 10:00 pm—COMMITTEE FOR THE PROMOTION, 
EVALUATION, AND ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOGY
Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
Hear exhibitors explain briefly what they are 
exhibiting and where they are located in the 
exhibit hall.  We will also evaluate the 
effectiveness of what our Committee is doing now 
and consider programs for the coming year. Gary Wunder, Chairperson
   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued

8:00 - 9:00 pm—FRIENDS OF RECOVERY MEETING
Library Room, Tower mezzanine
All convention delegates involved in or 
interested in twelve-step recovery programs are 
invited to attend.  A second Friends of Recovery 
meeting will be on Wednesday at 8:00 pm.  Coordinator: Gary Ray

9:00 - 10:30 pm—“BROKEN-HEARTED RIVER TO FREEDOM” 
a play by Jerry Whittle (Admission: $5.00)
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
A man loses his sight during the Civil War, 
returns home, and learns to deal with his 
blindness and family.  The play is performed by 
the Louisiana Center for the Blind Players; 
proceeds go to the Louisiana Center for the 
Blind’s summer training program for blind children.


























   TUESDAY, JULY 6, 2010

8:00 - 8:45 am—DEVOTIONS
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby

8:15 8:45 am—REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND 
BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH)—Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby



         OPENING GENERAL SESSION

9:00 am INVOCATION

9:35 am WELCOMING CEREMONIES

9:55 am CELEBRATION OF FREEDOM: VETERANS RECOGNIZED
Dwight Sayer, President, National Association of 
Blind Veterans, National Federation of the Blind; Winter Gardens, Florida

10:05 am        A DEFENSE DEPARTMENT PRIORITY FOR BLIND WOUNDED WARRIORS
Colonel Donald Gagliano, M.D., Executive 
Director, Department of Defense/Department of 
Veterans Affairs Vision Center of Excellence; Washington, D.C.

10:20 am        ROLL CALL OF STATES AND APPOINTMENT OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE

11:45 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS

12:00 pm        ADJOURN



12:00 noon 12:30 pm and 1:30 - 2:00 
pm—REGISTRATION ($20); FINAL BANQUET TICKET SALES 
($45)—Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby

12:00 noon - 1:45 pm—INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND 
SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION—Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby


   TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued

12:00 noon 1:45 pm—EXHIBITS—Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level

12:15 - 1:45 pm—LOUISIANA CENTER FOR THE BLIND 
ALUMNI LUNCHEON; Pam Allen, Director
Peacock Terrace, West Wing



GENERAL SESSION

2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER

2:05 pm PRESIDENTIAL REPORT, Marc Maurer

3:00 pm THE FEDERATION IN THE WORLD FROM THE 
PERSPECTIVE OF THE BLIND CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER AND SENATOR IN THAILAND
      Monthian Buntan, Senator; Bangkok, Thailand

3:20 pm THE BLIND DRIVER OPERATING A VEHICLE AT 
SPEED: CREATING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT PUTS THE CONTROLS UNDER OUR HANDS
Parnell Diggs, Esq., Coordinator, Race for 
Independence; President, National Federation of 
the Blind of South Carolina; Garden City, South Carolina

3:35 pm SWEP AND THE BARS OF OUR PRISON
Scott LaBarre, Esq., LaBarre Law Offices; 
President, National Federation of the Blind of Colorado; Denver, Colorado

3:50 pm THE XAVIER SOCIETY FOR THE BLIND: SERVING THE BLIND SINCE 1900
Father John R. Sheehan, S.J., Chairman, Board of 
Directors, Xavier Society for the Blind; New York, New York

4:05 pm ONE MILLION BOOKS FOR THE PRINT DISABLED AND MORE TO COME
Brewster Kahle, Digital Librarian; San Francisco, California



   TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued

4:20 pm NOT JUST SURVIVING THE DISASTER OF 
SEPTEMBER 11 BUT PROVIDING LEADERSHIP IN A DEADLY EMERGENCY
Michael Hingson, President, Michael Hingson Group; Novato, California

4:35 pm REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS

5:00 pm ADJOURN



5:30 - 6:30 pm—NOMINATING COMMITTEE
De La Salle Room, West Wing

5:30 - 6:30 pm—NFB-LINK, OUR ONLINE MENTORING PROGRAM
Affiliate Action Suite 2372
Come help us honor the over 250 mentors that are 
a part of NFB-LINK and learn how you can become a 
mentor, too. NFB-LINK is our online mentoring 
program, and by becoming a mentor, you will see 
how a little time on the computer can make a huge 
difference. Current and future mentors, please attend!

6:00 pm—NFB OF TEXAS BARBEQUE AND LIVE MUSIC
Anatole Park
Enjoy eating a delicious Texas-style barbeque 
with all of the trimmings while listening to the 
music of singer/songwriter/guitarist Brian Burns, 
with friends Tommy Alverson and Davin James.

6:00 - 8:00 pm—AMERICAN FOUNDATION FOR THE BLIND 
INTRODUCES AccessWorld  EVERY MONTH AND NEW ONLINE COMMUNITY RESOURCES
Peacock Terrace, West Wing
You are invited to our informational reception. 
Announcing AFB AccessWorld, every month—more 
authors, more information, more often. 
CareerConnect, FamilyConnect, and SeniorSite 
offer newly-expanded opportunities. Network with 
families, seniors, and successful mentors. We look forward to meeting you.





   TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued

6:00 - 9:00 pm—DEAFBLIND DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING & ELECTIONS
Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
    6:00 pm–Registration; 7:00 pm–Meeting begins
Burnell Brown, President

6:30 - 8:00 pm—MUSIC TECH WORKSHOP
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Conducted by Cameron Strife; presented by the NFB Performing Arts Division

6:30 - 9:00 pm—COLORADO CENTER FOR THE BLIND OPEN HOUSE
Topaz Room, Tower lobby
Discover how good training can change your life. Julie Deden, Director

7:00 - 8:00 pm—ASTRONOMY AT YOUR FINGERTIPS (Ages 6-14)
Morocco Room, Tower mezzanine
Fun-filled astronomy-related activities in an 
out-of-this-world workshop!  Instructor: Noreen Grice

7:00 - 8:30 pm—BOOKSHARE AT NFB MEMBER PARTY
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Enjoy snacks and refreshments while meeting the 
Bookshare staff. This is your opportunity to talk 
with us and share your ideas; we’re here to 
listen.  Plan to have fun with contests, 
drawings, and interacting with your fellow 
members.  We look forward to seeing you.

7:00 - 8:30 pm—NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
         IEP Workshop for Beginners
         Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
         Focusing on evaluations, goals, strategies, and the law.
         Instructor: Carlton Walker

         Getting to Yes
         Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
         Getting the team to work together so that it benefits your child.
         Instructor: Dan Frye

         Tactile Maps and the Development of Spatial Awareness
         Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
         Exploring ways to promote the development of spatial awareness.
         Instructor: Debbie Kent Stein
   TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued

7:00 - 9:00 pm—NFB KRAFTERS DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING
Fleur-de-lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
Unveiling new craft initiatives, including 
discussion on classes available via telephone 
conference and information on our Monday night 
nationwide chats. We are seeking teachers and students for crafting classes.
Joyce Kane, President

7:00 - 9:00 pm—LEGISLATIVE STRATEGIES SEMINAR: 
MOVING LEGISLATION ON THE STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Each affiliate should send one representative. 
Learn the best methods of increasing support for 
our legislative priorities.  Changing lives 
through laws is our business. Led by Jesse 
Hartle, Lauren McLarney, and Ronza Othman

7:00 - 10:00 pm—A SPECIAL EVENING FOR SPONSOR-LEVEL EXHIBITORS
Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, Third Level
The exhibit hall reopens for an evening dedicated 
solely to sponsor-level exhibitors. Come and 
bring a guest to say “thank you” to our sponsors and to
enjoy their interesting offers and 
demonstrations. Our convention sponsors are: 
Title: Deque Systems, Inc.; Platinum: HumanWare 
and UPS; Gold: Freedom Scientific and Oracle; 
Silver: Adobe; Bronze: National Industries for 
the Blind (NIB); and Exhibit Hall: En-Vision 
America, GW Micro, Inc., Independence Science, 
LLC, Independent Living Aids (ILA), Intel 
Corporation, Olympus, Recording for the Blind & 
Dyslexic (RFB&D), Sendero Group, and Vanda Pharmaceuticals, Inc.

7:00 - 10:00 pm—THE BEST THROWBACK PARTY AND 
DANCE EVER!   NFB YOUTH TRACK (Ages 14-18)
Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
Choose your favorite decade and come dressed in 
your best digs.  Compete in hula hoop contests, 
learn the “YMCA,” or show us your best moon walk 
while dressed as the late Michael Jackson in the 
80’s.  Prizes will be given to the best-dressed 
or most creative throwback participants.

8:00 - 9:00 pm—BEP: U.S. CURRENCY IDENTIFICATION 
FOCUS GROUP Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Representatives of the U.S. Dept. of the 
Treasury’s Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) 
and the Office of Product Development provide an 
update on BEP’s progress to provide blind 
individuals with access to U.S. currency and 
discuss concepts it is currently testing. 
(Session Two: Wednesday at 7:00 pm.)
   TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued

8:00 - 9:00 pm—PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION SEMINAR
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
A seminar on division development; discuss the 
future of the Performing Arts Division and ways 
to make it even better.  Conducted by division 
board member, Jordy Stringer.  Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President

8:30 - 9:30 pm—HOW TO HOLD A VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVE IN SIX EASY STEPS
Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
Learn how to plan and host a voter registration 
drive that will attract new members to your 
chapter and serve your local community. 
Coordinator: Lou Ann Blake, NFB Jernigan Institute

8:30 - 10:00 pm—NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS

         IEP Workshop for Veteran Parents
         Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
         Instructor: Carlton Walker

         Testing and Accommodations
         Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
         Instructors: Barbara Mathews and a representative of the College Board

         Adapting and Creating Useable Materials for Students
         Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
         Instructor: Pat Renfranz













   WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, 2010

8:00 - 8:45 am—DEVOTIONS
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby

8:15 8:45 am—REGISTRATION ($20)—Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby



         GENERAL SESSION

9:00 am INVOCATION

9:05 am ELECTIONS

9:50 am THE APEX AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AT HUMANWARE
Gilles Pepin, Chief Executive Officer, HumanWare; Drummondville, Canada

10:10 am        THE FAILURE OF THE EDUCATIONAL 
SYSTEM IN MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE BLIND

MARK RICCOBONO, Moderator; Executive Director, 
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute; Baltimore, Maryland

SHEILA AMATO, Ed.D., University Teacher Trainer; Massapequa Park, New York

NOREEN GRICE, Founder and President of You Can Do 
Astronomy, LLC; New Britain, Connecticut

LAURA WEBBER, Secretary, National Organization of 
Parents of Blind Children; Houston, Texas

ERIC VASILIAUSKAS, M.D., parent and advocate; Los Angeles, California

11:10 am        ASSURING INTERNET ACCESSIBILITY
Preety Kumar, Chief Executive Officer, Deque Systems, Inc.; Reston, Virginia


   WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued

11:30 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS

12:00 pm        ADJOURN



12:00 noon 12:30 pm and 1:30 - 2:00 pm—REGISTRATION ($20)
Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby

12:00 noon - 1:45 pm—INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND 
SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION (Final time period to be 
open)—Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby

12:00 noon 1:45 pm—EXHIBITS—Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level



         GENERAL SESSION

2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER

2:05 pm FINANCIAL REPORT

3:05 pm STRATEGIC INITIATIVES REPORT
John Paré, Executive Director for Strategic 
Initiatives, National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland

Jesse Hartle, Governmental Affairs Specialist, 
National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland

Lauren McLarney, Governmental Affairs Specialist, 
National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland

3:35 pm REPORTS, RESOLUTIONS, AND OTHER BUSINESS

5:00 pm ADJOURN




   WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued

7:00 - 8:00 pm—BEP: U.S. CURRENCY IDENTIFICATION 
FOCUS GROUP Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
Representatives of the U.S. Dept. of the 
Treasury’s Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) 
and the Office of Product Development provide an 
update on BEP’s progress to provide blind 
individuals with access to U.S. currency and 
discuss concepts it is currently testing.

7:00 - 8:15 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel

7:00 - 8:30 pm—NFB IMAGINATION FUND GRANT-WRITING SEMINAR
Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
Each affiliate should send at least one 
representative to this seminar. Learn to plan, 
write, and submit a strong grant application; 
discover key points and strategies about how to 
identify appropriate funders and submit a winning 
proposal.  Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute

7:00 - 9:00 pm—WHAT’S NEW WITH NFB-NEWSLINE®
Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
Learn about the NFB’s free audible newspaper 
service for the blind and visually 
impaired.  Topics cover Podable News, the new 
voices, the new on-demand article request 
feature, and more.  Sign up for NFB-NEWSLINE® at its exhibit hall table.

7:00 9:00 pm—“SOCIAL SECURITY AND SUPPLEMENTAL 
SECURITY INCOME: WHAT APPLICANTS, ADVOCATES, AND 
RECIPIENTS SHOULD KNOW” SEMINAR
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
Topics: Social Security and SSI benefits, 
including eligibility criteria, the application 
process, reporting obligations, and appeals 
process.  Also get information on the Medicare 
prescription drug benefit income subsidy program.
Presenter: Ronza Othman





   WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued

7:00 10:00 pm—EXHIBITS—Khmer Pavilion, Atrium third level

7:00 - 11:00 pm—TENTH ANNUAL SHOWCASE OF TALENT—Fee: $5.00
Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
Register early by contacting Performing Arts 
Division leaders at the convention by Tuesday. 
Proceeds benefit the division’s scholarship 
program and other programs. Sponsored by the 
Performing Arts Division; Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President

7:00 - 11:00 pm—NON 24-HOUR SLEEP WAKE DISORDER SEMINAR
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
Circadian rhythm sleep disorders in totally blind 
people. Total loss of light perception prevents 
synchronization of circadian body clock rhythms 
to the 24-hour day, leading to cyclic insomnia 
and daytime napping. The causes of this sleep 
disorder and possible treatment options will be presented and discussed.

7:30 - 9:00 pm—INTRODUCTION TO ORACLE SIEBEL CALL CENTER
Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
Don Mauck, Accessibility Evangelist at Oracle, 
will demonstrate the accessibility features built 
into the Oracle Siebel Call Center. Oracle CRM 
products are used by more than 4,000 enterprises 
and more than 4.6 million business users; these 
enterprises represent potential employment opportunities for the blind.

8:00 - 9:00 pm—FRIENDS OF RECOVERY MEETING
Library Room, Tower mezzanine
All convention delegates involved in or 
interested in twelve-step recovery programs are 
invited to attend.  Gary Ray, Coordinator

8:00 - 10:00 pm—COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOBILE AND 
PEDESTRIAN SAFETY (CAPS); Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson
Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine

8:00 - 10:00 pm—COMMITTEE ON RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT
Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
For the most part, technological developments 
tend to exclude blind people.  Developers must 
change the ways future technologies are 
designed.  Join us—perhaps you can suggest a 
technology or approach that nobody else has 
considered.  Curtis Chong, Chairperson


   WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued

8:00 - 11:30 pm—MONTE CARLO NIGHT
Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
Try your luck at any of the usual card games found on a casino floor.
Sponsored by the National Association of Blind Students

8:30 - 9:45 pm—EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING 
THE WORLD’S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
Presented by James Gashel






























   THURSDAY, JULY 8, 2010

8:00 - 8:45 am—DEVOTIONS
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby

8:15 8:45 am—REGISTRATION ($20)—Final opportunity to register.
Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby



GENERAL SESSION
9:00 am INVOCATION

9:05 am BUYING AND SELLING ONLINE: EBAY BUILDS 
ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE BLIND INTO ITS PLATFORM
Dane Glasgow, Vice President, Buyer Experience 
Product Management, Ebay, Inc.; San Jose, California

9:20 am BRAILLE IS LITERACY
Deane Blazie, Inventor; Hobe Sound, Florida

9:35 am EIGHTY-FOUR LANGUAGES AND GROWING
Frank Kurt Cylke, Director, National Library 
Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, 
Library of Congress; Washington, D.C.

David Fernandez-Barrial, Foreign Language 
Librarian, National Library Service for the Blind 
and Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress; Washington, D.C.

9:55 am QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION

10:00 am        EDUCATING BLIND CHILDREN: CHANGING THE PARADIGM
Fredric K. Schroeder, Ph.D.; Research Professor; 
San Diego State University; Vienna, Virginia

10:20 am        TOWARD FULL EMPLOYMENT FOR BLIND AMERICANS
Lynnae Ruttledge, Commissioner, Rehabilitation 
Services Administration, United States Department 
of Education; Washington, D.C.



   THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued

10:35 am        ACCESSIBLE EDUCATION FOR ALL, 
INCLUDING THE BLIND: MEETING THE STANDARD
Jessica Finnefrock, Senior Vice President, 
Product Development, Blackboard; Washington, D.C.

10:50 am        ACCESSIBLE DESIGN, A MODEL FOR THE FUTURE
Steve Eastman, President, Target.com; Minneapolis, Minnesota

11:05 am        LOCATION-BASED SERVICES USING BUS 
STOP AND GEOCODED MEDIA CONTENT
Mike May, Chief Executive Officer, Sendero Group; Davis, California

11:20 am        BLIND CAR BUILDER? WE’RE HERE TO TELL YOU!
Marcus Simmons, Chief Executive Officer, Simmons 
BOSS CREATIONS; Southfield, Michigan

11:35 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS

12:00 pm        ADJOURN



12:00 noon - 1:45 pm—HAM RADIO GROUP BUSINESS MEETING
Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
D. Curtis Willoughby (ka0vba), Chairperson

12:00 noon - 1:45 pm—RAFFLES AND DRAWINGS
Sapphire Room, Tower lobby

12:15 - 1:45 pm—EVERYTHING YOU'VE EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NLS
Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
A question-and-answer session with Frank Kurt Cylke, Director, and staff of the
National Library Service for the Blind and 
Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress.




   THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued



         GENERAL SESSION

2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER

2:05 pm COPYRIGHT AND THE RIGHT TO READ
Marybeth Peters, Esq., Register of Copyrights, 
Library of Congress, Copyright Office; Washington, D.C.

2:20 pm THE FUTURE OF BOOKS AND BEYOND
Ray Kurzweil, President and Chief Executive 
Officer, K-NFB Reading Technology, Inc.; Wellesley Hills, Massachusetts

2:40 pm CALLING ALL DRIVERS: ADVANCING 
LEADERSHIP, COLLECTIVE ACTION, AND THE BOUNDARIES OF INDEPENDENCE
Mark Riccobono, Executive Director, National 
Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute; Baltimore, Maryland

3:00 pm THE INTERFACE THAT TOUCHES THE MIND: 
ADVANCING BEYOND AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES
Dennis Hong, Ph.D., Director, Robotics and 
Mechanisms Laboratory, Virginia Polytechnic Institute; Blacksburg, Virginia

3:15 pm A PRACTICING BLIND PHYSICIAN
Timothy Cordes M.D./Ph.D., Resident in 
Psychiatry, University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics; Madison, Wisconsin

3:30 pm DR. JACOB BOLOTIN AWARD
Gary Wunder, Chairperson, Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award 
Committee, and Secretary, National Federation of the Blind; Columbia, Missouri

4:10 pm DISABILITY POLICY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE
Kareem Dale, Special Assistant to the President 
on Disability Policy; Washington, D.C.

4:25 pm REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS


   THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued

5:00 pm ADJOURN



7:00 pm—BANQUET
Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby
INVOCATION
MASTER OF CEREMONIES:  Fredric K. Schroeder
INTRODUCTIONS AND PRESENTATIONS
BANQUET ADDRESS: Marc Maurer
SCHOLARSHIP AWARDS

11:00 pm—SCIENCE FICTION MEETING
All persons interested in science fiction and 
fantasy are welcome to join in an open 
discussion.  Please contact Ed Meskys for room location.


  Thank You...

         The National Federation of the Blind 
acknowledges with gratitude our Title, Platinum, 
Gold, Silver, Bronze, and Exhibit Hall Convention 
Sponsors below. Their messages follow.

Title Sponsor:
Deque Systems, Inc.

Platinum Sponsors:
HumanWare
UPS

Gold Sponsors:
Freedom Scientific
Oracle

Silver Sponsor:
Adobe

Bronze Sponsor:
National Industries for the Blind (NIB)

Exhibit Hall Sponsors:
En-Vision America
GW Micro, Inc.
Independence Science, LLC
Independent Living Aids (ILA)
Intel Corporation
Olympus
Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic (RFB&D)
Sendero Group
Vanda Pharmaceuticals, Inc.



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