[blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 LSAT
Vikram Agarwal
va57 at law.georgetown.edu
Sat May 1 18:28:51 UTC 2010
I was able to request an electronic format, the use of Jaws or Kurzweil
and the use of Excel for the logic games. I also was able to receive
extended time and extra breaks. As others have noted, it is imperative
to begin the process of requesting accommodations well in advance to
ensure you receive everything you need before the exam. You will still
need a scribe to input answers, however, I also used Excel to keep track
of my answers as I went. I took the exam in 2007. Feel free to contact
me off line to discuss further.
Vikram
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:46:50 -0500
From: Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Lawyers List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction
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Hello all,
My name is Jordan Richardson and I am currently a freshman at the
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities majoring in political science and
planning to minor in philosophy.
After my undergraduate degree I plan to attend law school specializing
in Constitutional law. My plan is to practice law and then become a
judge.
I actually have some questions regarding blind judges:
What non-visual techniques would a blind judge use on the bench during
a trial? How would one deal with looking at evidence? Would the
bailiff describe/read any pictures/texts, or would you simply have
each attorney be descriptive?
Thank you,
Jordan Richardson
2nd Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students
--
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lilrichie411 at gmail.com
?It is very important to generate a good attitude, a good heart, as
much as possible. From this, happiness in both the short term and the
long term for both yourself and others will come.?
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:15:03 -0500
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>, "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List"
<blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Thank you. LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard. I
have
heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to
state
exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely not
get
it. They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing and
what
might be appropriate for blind test takers. Some people have suggested
that
I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to double time,
more
breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games. This may cause the
need
to appeal, but may get things that should be available to everybody. It
doesn't seem right that every blind person trying to take the test
should go
through these same hoops, over and over again. It also doesn't seem
like a
level playing field when blind people need to take the test in a manner
that
introduces an additional distraction and more stress.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
> In response to Tom-
>
>
>
> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer
> sheet
> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form
> properly.
> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the
> form
> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading
> the
> questions out loud. Regulations were extremely rigid. For example,
I
> was
> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra
> breaks
> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam. My
reader
> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>
> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel
> free
> to contact me off list if you wish.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cathryn
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:28:26 -0400
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Hi Tom,
While your concerns are valid, each test and each blind test taker are
different and as I have stated time and again, the examiners do not read
our
minds, so if you don't ask, they are not obligated to deliver. Test
preparation is paramount when applying for law school.
John
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
Thank you. LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard. I
have
heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to
state
exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely not
get
it. They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing and
what
might be appropriate for blind test takers. Some people have suggested
that
I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to double time,
more
breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games. This may cause the
need
to appeal, but may get things that should be available to everybody. It
doesn't seem right that every blind person trying to take the test
should go
through these same hoops, over and over again. It also doesn't seem
like a
level playing field when blind people need to take the test in a manner
that
introduces an additional distraction and more stress.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
> In response to Tom-
>
>
>
> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer
> sheet
> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form
> properly.
> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the
> form
> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading
> the
> questions out loud. Regulations were extremely rigid. For example,
I
> was
> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra
> breaks
> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam. My
reader
> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>
> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine. Feel
> free
> to contact me off list if you wish.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cathryn
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:20:05 -0500
From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Good evening Tom and list.
Perhaps the law school testing agencies need to be instructed on the
recent
court case against the Cal state board of bar examiners. If they are
smart,
they will read the hand writing on the wall.
best regards
Rob Tabor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List"
<blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
> Thank you. LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.
I
> have heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC
to
> state exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will
definitely
> not get it. They were also not willing to discuss computer based
testing
> and what might be appropriate for blind test takers. Some people have
> suggested that I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition
to
> double time, more breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.
> This may cause the need to appeal, but may get things that should be
> available to everybody. It doesn't seem right that every blind person
> trying to take the test should go through these same hoops, over and
over
> again. It also doesn't seem like a level playing field when blind
people
> need to take the test in a manner that introduces an additional
> distraction and more stress.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> In response to Tom-
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer
>> sheet
>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form
>> properly.
>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the
>> form
>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading
>> the
>> questions out loud. Regulations were extremely rigid. For example,
I
>> was
>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra
>> breaks
>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam. My
reader
>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>
>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine.
Feel
>> free
>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cathryn
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:28:48 -0500
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
To: "Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>, "NFBnet Blind Law
Mailing
List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Hello all. Yes, they have been in trouble with accommodation issues and
need to step into the twenty-first century. Computers are cheap now and
they should make the testing environment reflect current standard and
adaptive technologies for everyone.
Tom .
----- Original Message -----
From: " Rob Tabor" <rob.tabor at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
> Good evening Tom and list.
> Perhaps the law school testing agencies need to be instructed on the
> recent court case against the Cal state board of bar examiners. If
they
> are smart, they will read the hand writing on the wall.
> best regards
> Rob Tabor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List"
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> Thank you. LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.
I
>> have heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at
LSAC to
>> state exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will
definitely
>> not get it. They were also not willing to discuss computer based
testing
>> and what might be appropriate for blind test takers. Some people
have
>> suggested that I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition
to
>> double time, more breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games.
>> This may cause the need to appeal, but may get things that should be
>> available to everybody. It doesn't seem right that every blind
person
>> trying to take the test should go through these same hoops, over and
over
>> again. It also doesn't seem like a level playing field when blind
people
>> need to take the test in a manner that introduces an additional
>> distraction and more stress.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>>
>>
>>> In response to Tom-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The
answer
>>> sheet
>>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form
>>> properly.
>>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the
>>> form
>>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading
>>> the
>>> questions out loud. Regulations were extremely rigid. For
example, I
>>> was
>>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra
>>> breaks
>>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
>>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their
approach,
>>> you
>>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam. My
>>> reader
>>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>>
>>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine.
Feel
>>> free
>>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cathryn
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindlaw mailing list
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>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:36:03 -0500
From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
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Sure, but I would guess that most people would be able to utilize
something
more advanced and accessible than paper and pencil.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ramsey" <joramsey at cox.net>
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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
> Hi Tom,
> While your concerns are valid, each test and each blind test taker are
> different and as I have stated time and again, the examiners do not
read
> our
> minds, so if you don't ask, they are not obligated to deliver. Test
> preparation is paramount when applying for law school.
> John
>
> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>
> P.O. Box 6063
>
> Gainesville, FL 32627
>
> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>
> Fax: (352) 240-6453
>
> This communication contains information that may be confidential
and/or
> legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual
or
> entity to which it is addressed. If you have received this
communication
> in
> error, please call us at (352) 505-6642 and destroy any associated
printed
> materials and delete the electronic material from any computer. Please
be
> aware that any unauthorized disclosure, use or publication of this
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>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> Behalf Of Tom Ladis
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:15 PM
> To: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net; NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
> Thank you. LSAC makes getting appropriate accommodations very hard.
I
> have
>
> heard stories similar to yours, and was told by a contact at LSAC to
state
> exactly what I want because if it is not listed I will definitely not
get
> it. They were also not willing to discuss computer based testing and
what
> might be appropriate for blind test takers. Some people have
suggested
> that
>
> I ask for the test in an electronic format in addition to double time,
> more
> breaks, and Word to take notes for the Logic Games. This may cause
the
> need
>
> to appeal, but may get things that should be available to everybody.
It
> doesn't seem right that every blind person trying to take the test
should
> go
>
> through these same hoops, over and over again. It also doesn't seem
like
> a
> level playing field when blind people need to take the test in a
manner
> that
>
> introduces an additional distraction and more stress.
>
>
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:42 AM
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
>
>
>> In response to Tom-
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't believe the LSAT takers are permitted to use JAWS. The answer
>> sheet
>> needs to be completed by a scribe to fill in the computerized form
>> properly.
>> When I took the test, the person who read questions to me filled in
the
>> form
>> also. There was no other interaction during the test except for
reading
>> the
>> questions out loud. Regulations were extremely rigid. For example,
I
>> was
>> granted double time due to disability, but I forgot to request extra
>> breaks
>> due to extended hours of examination, and thus breaks were denied by
the
>> testing service! Unless they have drastically changed their approach,
you
>> will get farther in demanding a qualified reader for the exam. My
reader
>> was a practicing attorney, competent to handle the material.
>>
>> Perhaps others have had different experiences, but that was mine.
Feel
>> free
>> to contact me off list if you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cathryn
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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