[blindlaw] blind attorneys

Mon Nov 22 15:28:08 UTC 2010

Joe has the right idea.  Work, work and more work is the only way to make
it. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 3:44 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys

Man, I don't know.  Maybe it's just me, but it would appear that if one did
less posting on this list and did more job searching, a job offer might be
more achievable!

Best,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Weisberg
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 3:34 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys

Employ yourself Acer and go out and get some clients!!  Start 
pro bono if
you have to as I did.  You can do it just don't wait around for a job
offer!!

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ross Doerr
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 12:29 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys

Aser, keep at it and don't give up.
And, as you can tell from all of these posts, "true lawyers" 
can, and will 
argue over anything and everything.
Seriously, use your imagination and be professional at all 
times, sooner or 
later you will get employed, and you will no doubt be good at it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys

>  Aiser, however, get an honest job like digging ditches!
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Aser Tolentino" <agtolentino at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>
>
>>I guess you can count me among the unemployed blind attorneys 
now, as I
>> learned last night that I passed the CA bar. Regardless of disability
>> though
>> many in my class have found it difficult to find work.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:56 PM, James Weisberg <jimi-law at dc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My experience is similar Noel.  My point:  numerically speaking the
>>> effort
>>> of the credentials are not worth the "chance" you will be one of the
>>> "lucky"
>>> one's to get a job offer.  Congrats on making it into the 
public sector
>>> as
>>> I
>>> believe that is the place for those such as us with vision 
problems and
>>> law
>>> degrees.  I am currently in the process of waiting for a 
job interview
>>> with
>>> the Fed myself!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:28 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>
>>> James:
>>>
>>> I have lost track of your original point.   I hope this 
response is on
>>> target.
>>>
>>> I was blind during law school, worked as a summer associate for a
>>> nationally-known firm, and received a job offer as a result 
of my work
>>> during that summer.  I was employed by that firm for over 
five years.  I
>>> now
>>> practice for the federal government.
>>>
>>> I know of others as well who were blind before law school 
who got jobs 
>>> at
>>> private firms.
>>>
>>> I also know that tremendous discrimination occurs but my 
own experience
>>> tells me that it is entirely possible for a blind person to receive
>>> offers
>>> of employment to practice in the private sector.
>>>
>>> Noel Nightingale
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of James Weisberg
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:48 AM
>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>
>>> I have to distinguish, I'm getting back to Dave's comments 
below again
>>> now,
>>> between employed blind lawyers who lost sight AFTER they had been
>>> employed
>>> and developed a rep before going blind as being competent 
from those who
>>> are
>>> blind and thus never given the opportunity to develop such 
a rep unless
>>> they
>>> can do it on their own as I have.  I just don't count blind 
lawyers in 
>>> my
>>> calculation if they lost their sight after they were 
established because
>>> my
>>> point is NOT whether or not a blind person can do the work, 
I know as I
>>> have
>>> been doing it for over ten years now.  My point is the 
effort for the
>>> credentials compared with the likelihood of a job offer means go for
>>> something else . . . that's all.  So I too would love the numbers on
>>> blind
>>> lawyers never offered employment compared against employed 
blind lawyers
>>> who
>>> were blind prior to ever practicing!!  I'm betting close to
>>> "astronomical."
>>> *smile*
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of mfhurley at optonline.net
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:29 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>
>>> Prospects for blind lawyers were not good in a great 
ecomony.  I agree
>>> with
>>> Dennis' post wholeheartedly.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: David Andrews
>>> Date: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:26 am
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>
>>> > James:
>>> >
>>> > I would like to suggest that the unemployment rate for blind
>>> > persons
>>> > in most all, if not all fields of endeavor is low. While my
>>> > evidence
>>> > is anecdotal, I don't think that it is necessarily any worse for
>>> > blind lawyers. Over the years I have known a bunch of blind
>>> > lawyers,
>>> > who are working.
>>> >
>>> > From what I read, the prospect for all lawyers isn't that good
>>> > right
>>> > now, so it is hard to separate the blindness penalty from the
>>> > bad
>>> > economy penalty.
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> > At 05:55 PM 11/18/2010, you wrote:
>>> > >Based upon my experience, Berkeley grad, top tier law grad,
>>> > ZERO job offers
>>> > >despite NEVER not getting an interview, combined with the
>>> > extremely low
>>> > >numbers of blind attorneys I can't think of what there might be
>>> > to discuss.
>>> > >My advice to anyone with vision issues considering law as a
>>> > career is to not
>>> > >waste their time or money they have a greater chance 
statistically,
>>> > >probably, of getting hit by lightening on the way to law class
>>> > than ever
>>> > >getting an offer of employment. Now if you come from 
money, forget
>>> > >everything I have said and just open your own firm! THAT IS
>>> > THE WAY IT IS!
>>> > >But there are always EXCEPTIONS. I personally wouldn't want to
>>> > invest the
>>> > >time and money law school requires on the hopes I'll be 
an exception.
>>> >
>>> >
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