[blindlaw] blind attorneys

Blaine Deutscher b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net
Wed Nov 24 03:26:39 UTC 2010


Well a lot of Lawyers that have past the bar say that they got the most 
experience from when they did their year of artickling.  You can be book 
smart but until you put that into practickle knolidge it's hard to figure 
out.  Here in Saskatchewan when people do their final year of school they 
start looking for firms to take them to gain the experience needed to be a 
successful lawyer.  you get to be the gofer (go for this go for that).
Blaine
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Out rages!
Employ someone who hasn't passed the BAR?
Unless of course its some sort of internship.


On Nov 23, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:

> That is because Canada is a socialist nation.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Doerr" <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
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>> Good point Blain.
>> IF that were "required" in the U.S. the same result may append itself to
>> U.S. graduates.
>> I like it.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" 
>> <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
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>>
>>> This is why Canadian Law students have somewhat of an advantage over
>>> American students.  before you take the Bar you are required to do one
>>> year
>>> of what they call artickling.  This is where you go and work in a Law
>>> firm.
>>> A lot of Law students that attend  a Law school in Canada find that that
>>> one
>>> year helps then gain employment and if you're really good or they like 
>>> you
>>> then you might get reemploied after you pass the bar.  Some firms might
>>> pay
>>> for you to take the bar if they feel that you will be a real assit to 
>>> the
>>> firm.
>>>
>>> Blaine
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <awilusa at yahoo.com>
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>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:06 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>
>>>
>>>       my name is Girmai Kahsai. I graduated from law school and acquired
>>> my bar license in 2009. I have been applying for a job for more than a
>>> year.
>>> I have had interviews and I believe I was not selected for employment in
>>> some cases due to discrimination tacit or otherwise whenever the
>>> interviewers discovered that I am blind. federal and state agencies
>>> require
>>> experience which is a hurdle for new attorney. due to other obligations, 
>>> I
>>> am seeking gainful employment in other areaas which may help me to move 
>>> to
>>> attorney position in the long run.  I have been a lawyer for fourteen
>>> years
>>> in another country and I have no doubt that law is the best profession
>>> that
>>> would not require sight. nonetheless due to innumberable challenges such
>>> as
>>> the current economic crisis, bias etc. employment is evading me. but I
>>> would
>>> like to stress that with proper planning and preparation newly graduated
>>> blind attorneys have the chance of employment. the prospective blind
>>> lawyer
>>> should work as intern duringg summers in federal or state agencies,
>>> participate in nmoot court competitions, law school journal etc. these
>>> experiences would give the blind lawyer an edge in the search for
>>> employment. employers consider these experiences during the hiring
>>> process.
>>> the formation of a nonprofit organization for the provision of legal aid
>>> should be explored as an alternative option by a blind attorney. the 
>>> legal
>>> profession is extremely broad and can be applied flexibly depending on 
>>> the
>>> creativity of the blind attorney individual. I  would like to encourage
>>> blind individuals with stamina and skills to strive to study law.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: James Weisberg
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:56 PM
>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>
>>> My experience is similar Noel.  My point:  numerically speaking the 
>>> effort
>>> of the credentials are not worth the "chance" you will be one of the
>>> "lucky"
>>> one's to get a job offer.  Congrats on making it into the public sector 
>>> as
>>> I
>>> believe that is the place for those such as us with vision problems and
>>> law
>>> degrees.  I am currently in the process of waiting for a job interview
>>> with
>>> the Fed myself!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:28 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>
>>> James:
>>>
>>> I have lost track of your original point.   I hope this response is on
>>> target.
>>>
>>> I was blind during law school, worked as a summer associate for a
>>> nationally-known firm, and received a job offer as a result of my work
>>> during that summer.  I was employed by that firm for over five years.  I
>>> now
>>> practice for the federal government.
>>>
>>> I know of others as well who were blind before law school who got jobs 
>>> at
>>> private firms.
>>>
>>> I also know that tremendous discrimination occurs but my own experience
>>> tells me that it is entirely possible for a blind person to receive 
>>> offers
>>> of employment to practice in the private sector.
>>>
>>> Noel Nightingale
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of James Weisberg
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:48 AM
>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>
>>> I have to distinguish, I'm getting back to Dave's comments below again
>>> now,
>>> between employed blind lawyers who lost sight AFTER they had been 
>>> employed
>>> and developed a rep before going blind as being competent from those who
>>> are
>>> blind and thus never given the opportunity to develop such a rep unless
>>> they
>>> can do it on their own as I have.  I just don't count blind lawyers in 
>>> my
>>> calculation if they lost their sight after they were established because
>>> my
>>> point is NOT whether or not a blind person can do the work, I know as I
>>> have
>>> been doing it for over ten years now.  My point is the effort for the
>>> credentials compared with the likelihood of a job offer means go for
>>> something else . . . that's all.  So I too would love the numbers on 
>>> blind
>>> lawyers never offered employment compared against employed blind lawyers
>>> who
>>> were blind prior to ever practicing!!  I'm betting close to
>>> "astronomical."
>>> *smile*
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of mfhurley at optonline.net
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:29 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>>
>>> Prospects for blind lawyers were not good in a great ecomony.  I agree
>>> with
>>> Dennis' post wholeheartedly.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: David Andrews
>>> Date: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:26 am
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>
>>>> James:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to suggest that the unemployment rate for blind
>>>> persons
>>>> in most all, if not all fields of endeavor is low. While my
>>>> evidence
>>>> is anecdotal, I don't think that it is necessarily any worse for
>>>> blind lawyers. Over the years I have known a bunch of blind
>>>> lawyers,
>>>> who are working.
>>>>
>>>> From what I read, the prospect for all lawyers isn't that good
>>>> right
>>>> now, so it is hard to separate the blindness penalty from the
>>>> bad
>>>> economy penalty.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> At 05:55 PM 11/18/2010, you wrote:
>>>> >Based upon my experience, Berkeley grad, top tier law grad,
>>>> ZERO job offers
>>>> >despite NEVER not getting an interview, combined with the
>>>> extremely low
>>>> >numbers of blind attorneys I can't think of what there might be
>>>> to discuss.
>>>> >My advice to anyone with vision issues considering law as a
>>>> career is to not
>>>> >waste their time or money they have a greater chance statistically,
>>>> >probably, of getting hit by lightening on the way to law class
>>>> than ever
>>>> >getting an offer of employment. Now if you come from money, forget
>>>> >everything I have said and just open your own firm! THAT IS
>>>> THE WAY IT IS!
>>>> >But there are always EXCEPTIONS. I personally wouldn't want to
>>>> invest the
>>>> >time and money law school requires on the hopes I'll be an exception.
>>>>
>>>>
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