[blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:

Fri Sep 10 21:03:52 UTC 2010

Good afternoon everyone,

    And if you know the IP addresses or zones on which those robots operate 
they could be blocked by the site/server administrator hence the need to 
report such robot attacks. I'd like to know how it is that companies like 
AMWAY Global which does a tremendous amount of business on the Internet can 
protect their infrastructure without resorting to the use of CAPTCHAS making 
doing business difficult for its customers and IBOS. I've commended them on 
numerous occasions for their refraning from the use of CAPTCHAS to control 
robot attacks. Perhaps they can teach the rest of the Internet community a 
thing or two about site/server security without inconveniencing users of 
these resources.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
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Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:

Absolutely not.
CAPTCHAs aren't used to stop abuse of a service, its to stop robots from 
attacking a site.
And I guess to a degree Chris is right, somehow or other someone's always 
gonna be discriminated against in these captchas, and one thing about 
business--specially on big sites, is that they please the greatest majority 
only.
They do this for purely economic reasons, but the trouble too is that you 
can't please everyone, specially when it comes to security, purely for 
security's sake, in the sense that someone's always gonna complain.
Its like TSA checkpoints, lots of people complain, and things happen, but 
its there for security. Like it or not, its gonna stay there until someone 
comes up with something better.

Jorge

On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:

> Hello Chris and everyone,
>
>    I'd like to know what happened to spam filtering software or the
> diligence of host administrators to block email and IP addresses from 
> which
> these bot messages come.  If they enlisted the help of their customers to
> track this stuff down the use of captchas would be unnecessary. No one 
> would
> be discriminated against. If more of their customers would use those 
> "Report
> Abuse" links it would go a long way to reducing or eliminating the need 
> for
> this kind of junk on Web sites. All the best.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>
>
> Fair point.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 9/10/10, Chris Danielsen <cdanielsen8 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Chris Danielsen <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 5:42 AM
>> Do you mean the concept of captchas
>> in general, or visual captchas? I think
>> advocacy groups have steered clear of opposing captchas
>> because they are, in
>> fact, a legitimate security mechanism to prevent a real
>> threat. The question
>> is how they should be designed. This is problematic because
>> I can't think of
>> a captcha that doesn't discriminate against somebody. The
>> best ones are
>> probably the simple logic puzzles, but even those probably
>> discriminate
>> against certain people with developmental disabilities. I
>> guess the best we
>> can hope for is a captcha that discriminates against as few
>> people as
>> possible, or, perhaps in the future, someone will invent a
>> security
>> mechanism that makes them unnecessary.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 5:05 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>
>> I don't have the answer to that one, but I am curious if
>> any advocacy group
>> has considered a cause of action because of these captias.
>> I fail to see how
>> they don't offend all of the recent cases regarding website
>> accessibility.
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>> John
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> So how can this new fangled audio captcha be
>> accessed by the deaf-blind?
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:17 PM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>
>>
>> Good afternoon list members.
>> I would like to up-date you on Linkedin. The log-in
>> page has a different
>> Captcha that works and is accessible. Once you enter
>> in your log-in
>> information, a page comes up and says: "please enter the
>> two words shown
>> above." The audio link comes up with a clear voice
>> that says: "Please
>> enter the following words. Do not worry if you have
>> trouble, just enter
>> your best Guess. You will here a number IE 5, then a
>> word such as Saturday,
>>
>> then a number like 8 and then a word of less. If you
>> do not enter in the
>> numbers, you can still move forward to the next page and
>> access your
>> account.
>>
>>
>>
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