[blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:

Fri Sep 10 21:34:00 UTC 2010

It's very complicated.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:


> Peter:
> very good point.
> However, this can't be used for signing up, not at first.
> Also, you have to understand different companies create different 
> structures, so it'll depend on that.
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>
>> Hello Steve and everyone,
>>
>>    I've used many Web sites where one must reply to an email message in
>> order to activate a subscription, process and order, etc. This works well
>> for me and I'm sure lots of others. This very procedure was followed when 
>> I
>> ordered my free NFB cane. No problem with that. It means a few extra 
>> steps
>> but doesn't shut anyone out.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> It just isn't that simple.  Blocking the message may keep them from 
>> getting
>> visibility, but it doesn't prevent such messages from bogging down the
>> network
>> and the ISP who was not able to prevent a robot from subscribing. 
>> Because
>> there are sites out there who protect users by providing ways to hide 
>> their
>> origin, it isn't simple to identify the problem.  However, I also think 
>> that
>> CAPTCHAs are a very convenient answer and that their use has caused 
>> limited
>> thought to be given to other approaches.  The trouble is that answers 
>> just
>> are not that obvious.  As Chris said, certain other kinds of CAPTCHAs may
>> discriminate against other types of developmental disabilities or even
>> people whose primary language is not that of whatever protective scheme 
>> is
>> developed.  The idea of sending a text to a cellphone to provide a 
>> password
>> is great if one happens to have a cellphone, but there are ways this 
>> could
>> be
>> scripted around as well.  I think this is where the struggle is, we don't
>> like CAPTCHAs for good reason but don't have a real sense of what to 
>> suggest
>> as an
>> alternative.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:27:26 -0500, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Chris and everyone,
>>
>>>   I'd like to know what happened to spam filtering software or the
>>> diligence of host administrators to block email and IP addresses from 
>>> which
>>> these bot messages come.  If they enlisted the help of their customers 
>>> to
>>> track this stuff down the use of captchas would be unnecessary. No one
>>> would
>>> be discriminated against. If more of their customers would use those
>>> "Report
>>> Abuse" links it would go a long way to reducing or eliminating the need 
>>> for
>>> this kind of junk on Web sites. All the best.
>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>
>>
>>> Fair point.
>>
>>
>>> --- On Fri, 9/10/10, Chris Danielsen <cdanielsen8 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> From: Chris Danielsen <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 5:42 AM
>>>> Do you mean the concept of captchas
>>>> in general, or visual captchas? I think
>>>> advocacy groups have steered clear of opposing captchas
>>>> because they are, in
>>>> fact, a legitimate security mechanism to prevent a real
>>>> threat. The question
>>>> is how they should be designed. This is problematic because
>>>> I can't think of
>>>> a captcha that doesn't discriminate against somebody. The
>>>> best ones are
>>>> probably the simple logic puzzles, but even those probably
>>>> discriminate
>>>> against certain people with developmental disabilities. I
>>>> guess the best we
>>>> can hope for is a captcha that discriminates against as few
>>>> people as
>>>> possible, or, perhaps in the future, someone will invent a
>>>> security
>>>> mechanism that makes them unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of John Ramsey
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 5:05 PM
>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>>>
>>>> I don't have the answer to that one, but I am curious if
>>>> any advocacy group
>>>> has considered a cause of action because of these captias.
>>>> I fail to see how
>>>> they don't offend all of the recent cases regarding website
>>>> accessibility.
>>>> Cordially,
>>>> John
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> So how can this new fangled audio captcha be
>>>> accessed by the deaf-blind?
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:17 PM
>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good afternoon list members.
>>>> I would like to up-date you on Linkedin. The log-in
>>>> page has a different
>>>> Captcha that works and is accessible. Once you enter
>>>> in your log-in
>>>> information, a page comes up and says: "please enter the
>>>> two words shown
>>>> above." The audio link comes up with a clear voice
>>>> that says: "Please
>>>> enter the following words. Do not worry if you have
>>>> trouble, just enter
>>>> your best Guess. You will here a number IE 5, then a
>>>> word such as Saturday,
>>>>
>>>> then a number like 8 and then a word of less. If you
>>>> do not enter in the
>>>> numbers, you can still move forward to the next page and
>>>> access your
>>>> account.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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