From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Mon Aug 1 12:01:38 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:01:38 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] books on women and girls with disabilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D8037693D@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> I do only know of the article that Carrie G. Basas wrote on women lawyers with disabilities. That article can be located via West Law. Thanks. From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Ortoleva Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 4:26 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] books on women and girls with disabilities Hi all, Hope your summer is going well. Is anyone by chance aware of any books specifically on women and girls with disabilities, either internationally or nationally? I am looking for both legal books, social science books and feminist disability studies books that are either general or that cover a specific topic with respect to women and girls with disabilities. Please reply to the below email address. Thank you. Stephanie Ortoleva, Esq. International Human Rights Lawyer Researcher and Advocate on Human Rights, Women's Rights and the Rights of Women with Disabilities stephanieortoleva at gmail.com Check out new updates on my website at: www.WomenEnabled.org and Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/WomenEnabled for information on human rights, women's rights and the rights of women with disabilities internationally. Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D9A3581EDUPTCEXMB03e_"; type="multipart/alternative" From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [ mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:16 PM To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG Subject: Two New Web Features for Law Students and Prospective Law Students The Commission today released two web features to primarily help law students with disabilities and prospective law students with disabilities: 1. Requesting Accommodations for the LSAT< http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources/lsat_accom.html > has a concise listing of procedures, tips, and deadlines concerning requests for accommodations on the Law School Admission Test (LSAT). There are links to additional resources, and a case listing of lawsuits by individuals seeking accommodations for the LSAT will be forthcoming. 2. Law School Disability Programs Directory< http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources/law_school_programs.html >, while not entirely new, has received a fresh look and some updated information. This state-by-state directory lists all ABA-approved law schools and their submitted information concerning disability law courses, extra/co-curricular activities focusing on disability law or law students with disabilities, clinics that handle disability law, and other relevant information. The portion of the directory containing contact information on disability support contacts was recently updated to include nearly all of the schools' disability resource centers. This directory is a good place to start when selecting a law school or for employers who would like to know what law schools are accommodating to students with disabilities or students with an interest in disability law. You can find out additional web features from the Commission on our resources page.< http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources.html > In the coming weeks, the Commission will be announcing additional web features, so please stay tuned. Best, William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. Special Projects & Technology Coordinator Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law American Bar Association 740 15th Street, NW, 9th Fl. Washington, DC 20005-1022 T: 202-662-1576 F: 202-442-3439 william.phelan at americanbar.org< mailto:william.phelan at americanbar.org> http://www.americanbar.org/disability Notice: The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and/or privileged. 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Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From david.b.andrews at state.mn.us Tue Aug 2 13:35:56 2011 From: david.b.andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews, David B B (DEED)) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:35:56 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Need semi-retired (or inactive) attorney for content creation Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Everett Gavel Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:23 AM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Subject: [Jobs] Need semi-retired (or inactive) attorney for content creation Any inactive attorneys here? Here's a paying opportunity for you. I know nothing more than what you'll read in the ad, below. Be quick, though, as CraigsList ads seem to only last 3 days or so, and when the ad is deleted, so is the response e-mail address in the ad. Need semi-retired attorney for content creation http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/wrg/2524095935.html Date: 2011-08-01, 11:43AM EDT I'm looking for a semi-retired or inactive family law attorney who is interested in making some money for content creation for my website. Send me an email if you are interested. .Compensation: $30 per hour Reply to: gigs-22prm-2524095935 at craigslist.org Strive On! Everett _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/david.b.andrews%40state.mn.us From rumpole at roadrunner.com Wed Aug 3 19:15:10 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:15:10 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. DOJ Security Div - posting for victims of terrorism office Message-ID: * United States Department of Justice National Security Division Attorney Advisor, GS-905-15 Office of Justice for Victims of Overseas Terrorism Applications will be handled on a rolling basis until all available positions are filled. Closing date: August 17, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/nsd-atty-ad-gs905-15.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Aug 3 23:35:52 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:35:52 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [rehab] NIDRR Peer Review Opportunity Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Edward Bell Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:26 AM To: NOMC mailing list; Rehab Mailing list Subject: [rehab] NIDRR Peer Review Opportunity FYI. Also note that you will receive up to $800 for doing the review. Hello, The National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research (NIDRR) in the U.S. Department of Education is seeking peer reviewers for two upcoming competitions: Disability in the Family and ADA National Network Regional Centers (formerly Disablity and Business Technical Assistance Centers) . Both competitions will take place by teleconference and an online computer system, so reviewers are not required to travel. 1.) Disability and Rehabilitation Research Project on Disability in the Family. This competition will be held on August 30-September 1, 2011. This competition is very broad, and NIDRR needs peer reviewers with expertise and knowledge in a wide range of areas, such as but not limited to: (a) research; (b) development (e.g., of technology, interventions, universal design); (c) family members with disabilities across the lifespan; (d) caregiving; (e) the experience of families who have a member with a disability; and (f) policies and financing. The text of the final priority and notice inviting applications are provided in the links below. Priority Announcement: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-06-09/pdf/2011-14345.pdf Notice Inviting Applications: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-06-09/html/2011-14342.htm 2.) ADA National Network Regional Centers (formerly known as Disability and Business Technical Assistance Centers). The competition will be held September 12-14, 2011. For this competition, NIDRR needs peer reviewers with expertise and knowledge in the following areas: (a) training, technical assistance, dissemination, knowledge translation; (b) the Americans with Disabilities Act (and related updates and amendments); (c) the person-in-environment and civil rights approaches to disability (as opposed to the medical model of disability); (d) program operations and design. The text of the final priority and notice inviting applications are provided in the links below. Priority Announcement: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-06-29/pdf/2011-16392.pdf (See Priority 1, Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) National Network Regional Centers) Notice Inviting Applications: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-06-29/pdf/2011-16391.pdf If you are interested in being considered for either of these review panels, please email a current copy of your resume to bonnie.gracer at ed.gov, and include all appropriate contact information. Please be sure to highlight your background and ability to evaluate applications in the areas noted above, or in other areas you deem appropriate. Please note that Federal employees are not eligible to serve as reviewers in this competition. Please feel free to distribute this notice to others who may be interested as well. Bonnie L. Gracer, MA, MSW U.S. Department of Education National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research Washington, D.C. http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/osers/nidrr/about.html Edward C. Bell, Ph.D., CRC, NOMC REGISTER TO TAKE THE NATIONAL CERTIFICATION IN LITERARY BRAILLE (NCLB) Exam http://www.nbpcb.org/pages/announcements.php Get your T-Shirt to promote Independence for the Blind http://www.gemini-rt.com/?page_id=37 Director, Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana Tech University 210 Woodard Hall PO Box 3158 Ruston LA 71272 Office: 318.257.4554 Fax: 318.257.2259 (Fax) Skype: edwardbell2010 ebell at latech.edu www.latech.edu/instituteonblindness ******************** "I am somehow less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." -- Stephen Jay Gould _______________________________________________ rehab mailing list rehab at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/rehab_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for rehab: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/rehab_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Aug 4 20:14:17 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 15:14:17 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Two Upcoming Important Disability Law CLEs! Message-ID: From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:43 AM To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG Subject: Two Upcoming Important Disability Law CLEs! Please see the attached flyers for two important disability law/disability/rights CLEs sponsored by the Commission: - Building a Successful and Supportive Special Needs Practice (8.16.2011) - How to Represent Social Security Claimants with Mental and Physical Disabilities (8.23.2011) The Commission is proud to announce that its CLEs will be offered with the option of real-time CART as an accommodation. William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. Special Projects & Technology Coordinator Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law American Bar Association 740 15th Street, NW, 9th Fl. Washington, DC 20005-1022 T: 202-662-1576 F: 202-442-3439 william.phelan at americanbar.org http://www.americanbar.org/disability Notice: The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have received this e-mail in error, or are not its intended recipient, please: do not print, copy, or distribute in any way the above message or its attachments; delete this e-mail from your computer; and inform the sender of this error. Thank you. ============== Going to respond to this message? Be sure to hit "Reply All" when doing so. Disability Discussion Docket (3D) ABA Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability.html [cid:~WRD057.jpg] ------------------ Material distributed over 3D is for educational and informational purposes only. The contents of any e-mail, including any statements that may be construed as legal advice or referral, are solely the responsibility of the e-mail's author. 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Name: social_security_cle_flyer.pdf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 30928 bytes Desc: social_security_cle_flyer.pdf URL: From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 5 07:55:17 2011 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 00:55:17 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn> References: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: <493294E088BD4403BB03A9B01DDA9124@spike> I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance learning and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a quality legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone there are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the legal field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. My possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend what I have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional law school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it with present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to how people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is still possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. Occasionally, someone will still do this. On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in a conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I found this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I interviewed with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they have a few blind students attending their program and they have made attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While this is late I hope this helps. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend law school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the standard carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning this method? Sincerely, RJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net > From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 08:15:03 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:15:03 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Are Their US Lawbooks Available Online Message-ID: Hi all, Can anyone tell me if there is any way of obtaining us law books online? I'm interested in constitutional law, contract, insurance and administrative law. Major text books would be especially helpful. Thanks, Ger From AZNOR99 at aol.com Fri Aug 5 11:05:17 2011 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 07:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning Message-ID: <7a308.536747d0.3b6d286d@aol.com> I think one of the major challenges with attending an online law school is ABA acreditation. Several of the California law schools that are distance learning programs are not ABA accredited, and the only state, I believe, that allows Bar licensure from non-ABA accredited schools is California. The problem exists when the graduate wants to either sit for another State Bar Exam, and they are not permitted to do so or tries to get a job (even with California Bar Licensure) and the employer requires ABA acreditation from the applicant's law school. Added to that, there is still a great deal of negative stigma associated with non-ABA acreditation in the profession, so it is probably much more difficult to get a job if your school was not accredited. Good luck. Ronza In a message dated 8/5/2011 3:56:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net writes: I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance learning and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a quality legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone there are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the legal field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. My possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend what I have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional law school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it with present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to how people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is still possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. Occasionally, someone will still do this. On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in a conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I found this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I interviewed with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they have a few blind students attending their program and they have made attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While this is late I hope this helps. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend law school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the standard carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning this method? Sincerely, RJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com From paulharpur at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 13:04:33 2011 From: paulharpur at gmail.com (Paul Harpur) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 23:04:33 +1000 Subject: [blindlaw] Are Their US Lawbooks Available Online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cc5370$3bdf8a50$b39e9ef0$@com> Perhaps www.bookshare.org not sure what is on there. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier Sent: Friday, 5 August 2011 6:15 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Are Their US Lawbooks Available Online Hi all, Can anyone tell me if there is any way of obtaining us law books online? I'm interested in constitutional law, contract, insurance and administrative law. Major text books would be especially helpful. Thanks, Ger _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail .com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 13:34:59 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:34:59 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Are Their US Lawbooks Available Online In-Reply-To: <000001cc5370$3bdf8a50$b39e9ef0$@com> References: <000001cc5370$3bdf8a50$b39e9ef0$@com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Thanks, I'm afraid I can't access it as I'm not resident in the US. The best I've found so far is www.gigle.ws. G On 8/5/11, Paul Harpur wrote: > Perhaps www.bookshare.org not sure what is on there. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier > Sent: Friday, 5 August 2011 6:15 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] Are Their US Lawbooks Available Online > > Hi all, > > Can anyone tell me if there is any way of obtaining us law books online? > I'm interested in constitutional law, contract, insurance and > administrative law. > Major text books would be especially helpful. > > Thanks, > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 13:35:40 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 07:35:40 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Message-ID: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Fri Aug 5 13:50:20 2011 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:50:20 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I doubt you can remedy these issues. You just have to politely tell them to pound sand. . . ------------------------------------------- Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergo uld.com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 13:54:31 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:54:31 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Beth, Basically tell them to get lost. They can have no legal power to stop you marrying - assuming, you're both over 18. If you've explained your position to them without success then perhaps you could get a third party to talk to them? However, if that fails I really don't see what else you can or should do. G On 8/5/11, Beth wrote: > Hi, guys. > I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on > with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current > boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are > both totally blind, we would > 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. > 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've > both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of > months ago. > 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are > Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a > sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How > should we deal with them? Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Aug 5 15:27:04 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:27:04 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Seattle Public Schools - Assistant General Counsel position opening Message-ID: Link: http://agency.governmentjobs.com/seattleschools/default.cfm?action=viewJob&jobID=350692&hit_count=yes&headerFooter=1&promo=0&transfer=0&WDDXJobSearchParams=%3CwddxPacket%20version%3D%271%2E0%27%3E%3Cheader%2F%3E%3Cdata%3E%3Cstruct%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27FIND%5FKEYWORD%27%3E%3Cstring%3E%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27CATEGORYID%27%3E%3Cstring%3E1%2C130%2C46%2C52%2C15%2C18%2C19%2C20%2C112%2C149%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27TRANSFER%27%3E%3Cstring%3E0%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27PROMOTIONALJOBS%27%3E%3Cstring%3E0%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3C%2Fstruct%3E%3C%2Fdata%3E%3C%2FwddxPacket%3E Text: Job Title: Assistant General Counsel 1.0 FTE 2.0 John Stanford Center for Educational Excellence Closing Date/Time: Continuous Salary: $74,859.00 - $103,397.00 Annually Job Type: Full-Time Location: John Stanford Center for Educational Excellence, Washington Required Attachments: Cover letter and Resume Print Job Information | Apply Description Benefits Supplemental Questions This position's responsibilities are to act as legal counsel and adviser for assigned management and administrators to ensure maximum protection of the district's legal rights. Position reports to: General Counsel Essential Functions: 1. Provides oral and written advice and counsel on general education matters, including professional interpretations and recommendations to assigned management, administrators and their staff in order to prevent and/or respond to complaints and suits, to plan preventive measures, and to serve as a legal resource for decisions affecting policies and procedures; acts as an adviser in meetings, to assist in management decision-making to ensure protection of the district's legal rights. Substantive areas of involvement may include advanced learning, alternative learning, curriculum, English Language Learners and International Education. (15% of the time) 2. Participates in a variety of Special Education matters, including IDEA, Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act and their implementing regulations, federal and state laws governing students with disabilities; advises management on how to protect the rights of the District; leads or conducts investigations; researches issues, incidents, laws, documents and records; prepares and represents the District in litigation, administrative hearings and similar actions, and manages outside counsel. (35% of the time) 3. Participates in a variety of Employment matters, including labor contract rights, employment actions, civil rights, American Disability Act, Fair Labor Standards Act, fair labor practices; advises management on how to protect rights of the District; leads or conducts investigations; researches issues, incidents, laws, documents and records; prepares and represents the District in litigation, administrative hearings and similar actions, and manages outside counsel. (20% of the time) 4. Writes and reviews written policies and procedures; develops and reviews contracts and provisions; writes responses to and verbally responds to requests for legal advice on a wide variety of special education and employment issues; provides interpretation of written policies and district practices to ensure proper application. (10% of the time) 5. Supervises and works as a team with assigned legal office staff and outside contracted staff to respond to legal inquiries and to prepare for legal actions; supervises and evaluates legal secretary or legal assistant(s), as assigned. (5% of the time) 6. Provides on-going training to management and administrators on legal issues, laws and best practices of a wide-range of subjects within area of assignment; identifies areas of concern that need to be shared with a broader audience, which may include acting as a staff development instructor for classes or giving presentations to groups within a department or division. (5% of the time) 7. Serves on committees; attends meetings; makes presentations and conducts training. (5% of the time) 8. Maintains knowledge of current trends in laws, affecting area of assignment and public employers; participates in training to enhance professional skills; coordinates with outside agencies to establish working relationships with other professionals engaged in legal arenas of interest to the area of assignment. (5% of the time) Other Functions: Performs related duties consistent with the scope and intent of the position. _______________________________________________________________________ Minimum Qualifications: Education: J.D. or L.L.M. Degree Preferred Years of Experience: 2 (two) years. Required Testing: Certificates & Licenses: Member in good standing of the Washington State Bar Association; valid Washington State driver's license or evidence of equivalent mobility. Continuing Education/Training: 45 hours of continuing education every three years. 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Manage all aspects of case preparation and presentation for assigned matters. Negotiation Skills: expertise in negotiation and resolution of disputes of all types, to achieve both immediate goals, including financial goals, and long term policy objectives of the District. Team work: As assigned, participate in staff projects for resolution of complex processes, bringing together disparate departments to identify, agree upon, plan, develop processes and implement steps to achieve common goals. Required Knowledge, Skills and Abilities Knowledge of: school, employment, labor, and contract law; current trends and related laws and regulations that affect Washington public schools, Washington public employers, or similar local government organizations; collaborative problem-solving and teamwork methods; research and investigative methods. Skills in: oral and written communications; team building; problem-solving; time management; risk identification and minimization; research and analysis. Abilities to: facilitate group discussions; advise and counsel management and administrators; supervises staff and work as a team; motivate and influence others and team processes; effectively represent the General Counsel's Office; develop and assist with developing legal strategies in support of District hiring and employment practices and related areas; evaluate legal issues and recommend appropriate courses of action; take individual initiative; accept responsibility and be held accountable; coordinate multiple activities simultaneously; establish and maintain effective working relationships with District management, administrators and staff, students, parents or guardians, outside agencies, union representatives, and the public in a multicultural community. PHYSICAL DEMANDS OF ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS / TASKS: Please check all that apply. Never Seldom 1-10% or 0-1 hour/day Occasional 11-33% or 1-3 hours/day Frequent 34-66% or 3-6 hours/day Constant 67-100% or 7-8 hours/day Sit X Stand / Walk X Keyboard (use a computer) X Twist / Reach X Bend / Stoop X Squat / Kneel X Crawl X Climb (ladder/stairs) X Lift / Push / Carry (10 lbs) X Conditions/Disclaimers: The above statements are intended to describe the general nature and level of work being performed by those assigned to this position and are not to be construed as an exhaustive list of all responsibilities, duties and skills. Employees may be required to perform duties outside of their normal responsibilities from time to time as needed. District employees are not authorized to make promises of employment for a particular period of time, or promises of a particular level of compensation or benefits to job applicants for certified or classified positions, and that any such agreement must be in writing and signed by the Superintendent. Any verbal or written statements to that effect by District employees other than the Superintendent are null and void. Additionally, nothing in this job description restricts management's right to assign or reassign duties and responsibilities to this job at any time. Benefits A position that is a 0.5 FTE position or greater is eligible for District benefit plans, including medical, dental, vision, life and disability insurance, and flexible spending plans. District contribution to benefit coverage is prorated by FTE, .5 and above. Enrollment is not automatic. In order to participate, a person must complete and submit enrollment forms within 30 days of hire. Information regarding benefits is available on the Benefits Website at www.ourpasswordpage.com (password is "sps") or by calling the Benefits Helpline at (206) 957-7066. It is the individual's responsibility to enroll in a timely fashion, and failure to do so will result in coverage being waived for the remainder of the plan year. Supplemental Questions There are no supplemental questions for this posting. From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Fri Aug 5 16:11:49 2011 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:11:49 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C09@tiger> I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 5 16:40:42 2011 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:40:42 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: <7a308.536747d0.3b6d286d@aol.com> References: <7a308.536747d0.3b6d286d@aol.com> Message-ID: yes, if someone atteneds one of these schools they either need to plan to practice in California or else not be concerned about working for a top firm. Usually there are additional requirements for someone to sit for a bar exam in another state when they haven't attended an ABA accredited law school. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning >I think one of the major challenges with attending an online law school is > ABA acreditation. Several of the California law schools that are distance > learning programs are not ABA accredited, and the only state, I believe, > that allows Bar licensure from non-ABA accredited schools is California. > The > problem exists when the graduate wants to either sit for another State Bar > Exam, and they are not permitted to do so or tries to get a job (even > with > California Bar Licensure) and the employer requires ABA acreditation from > the applicant's law school. Added to that, there is still a great deal > of > negative stigma associated with non-ABA acreditation in the profession, > so > it is probably much more difficult to get a job if your school was not > accredited. > > Good luck. > Ronza > > > > In a message dated 8/5/2011 3:56:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ckrugman at sbcglobal.net writes: > > I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance > learning > and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and > students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a > quality > legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone > there > are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for > considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the > legal > field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. > My > possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend > what > I > have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is > considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete > traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am > not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional > law > school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it > with > present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in > the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to > how > people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is > still > possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under > the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. > Occasionally, someone will still do this. > On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those > being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in > a > conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I > found > this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I > interviewed > with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is > sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be > receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they > have a few blind students attending their program and they have made > attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While > this > is late I hope this helps. > Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > > In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via > distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance > learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend > law > school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the > standard > carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning > this method? Sincerely, RJ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 16:57:39 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:57:39 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C09@tiger> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C09@tiger> Message-ID: David's advice is good. Let's be honest about it, those attitudes were probably pretty widespread in Europe/ the US 50 years ago and aren't entirely gone yet. Also, think of what life would be like if one were blind in say Somalia? Do I need to say any more? I've met a couple of extreme Christian types who'd probably derive similar attitudes about blindness. Fortunately, I didn't need to interact much. On 8/5/11, Hyde, David W. (ESC) wrote: > I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, > blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, > if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of > the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be > pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as > recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be > no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some > someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, > and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. > > Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There > are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, > ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. > If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you > can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Beth > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] some questions > > Hi, guys. > I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people > who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They > state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good > parents or are not fit to be parents. > 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both > graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. > 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so > they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of > discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with > them? Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Fri Aug 5 17:28:39 2011 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:28:39 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <996B9D8EA5EA414EA04A7FDCFCB16C73@victory2> Hi Beth: There is no law, especially since slavery was abolished around 1865, and the Civil Rights Act became the law of the land in 1964, that prohibits you from marrying whomsoever you choose. The choice is yours to make: You can pander to the dictates of the folks bugging you, or you can move on and marry the individual you're in love with. What may likely happen is that these folks won't show up at your wedding. The question you should ask yourself is how important their presence at your wedding would be. Hence, as an adult that's capable of making choices, the sky remains your limit! Wishing you the very best. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Fri Aug 5 17:30:54 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:30:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <996B9D8EA5EA414EA04A7FDCFCB16C73@victory2> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> <996B9D8EA5EA414EA04A7FDCFCB16C73@victory2> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D805AC9E4@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> I agree. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:29 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions Hi Beth: There is no law, especially since slavery was abolished around 1865, and the Civil Rights Act became the law of the land in 1964, that prohibits you from marrying whomsoever you choose. The choice is yours to make: You can pander to the dictates of the folks bugging you, or you can move on and marry the individual you're in love with. What may likely happen is that these folks won't show up at your wedding. The question you should ask yourself is how important their presence at your wedding would be. Hence, as an adult that's capable of making choices, the sky remains your limit! Wishing you the very best. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs.gov From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Fri Aug 5 17:32:56 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:32:56 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D805AC9E7@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> These do sound like ignorant people. I do wish you success. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs.gov From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Fri Aug 5 17:45:26 2011 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:45:26 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C09@tiger> Message-ID: <90AA27D450794BFCB9622D47D4B4A7F8@victory2> Hello David: Attitudes are what any person chooses to make of them! The Somalian guy lives here in the United States; he is MOST LIKELY not returning to Somalia anytime soon. Beth, on the other hand, knows why she fell in love with him and wants to marry him. I've been around Americans opposed to blind men marrying sighted women and vice versa; but they were in love, and nothing could stop them! The ones I know are all still happily married. In essence, it is up to Beth to ask her man as many questions about his culture as she deems fit. If the man gives satisfactory answers that she can live with, then she can weigh her options and make her own choices, and her man can do the same. Truthfully, if blindness is viewed favorably here in the United States, there won't be more than 70% underr-employment or lack of employment amongst the blind. All the software you and me use WILL BE COMPLETELY ACCESSIBLE straight out of the box and we won't need to pay hefty sums for scripts or set files. In fact, there will be NO NEED for the ADA! Love is NOT A RELIGION; nor is it religious! It is two people believing that they have much in common and want to live together and share it. Let's either wish them well, or stare clear! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Aug 5 18:28:08 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:28:08 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FSU Complaint (3).doc Message-ID: Blindlaw listers: The attach is the complaint filed against Florida State University in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Florida on behalf of two students under ADA Title II and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act. I thought members of this list might find this of great interest. Noel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FSU Complaint (3).doc Type: application/msword Size: 183296 bytes Desc: FSU Complaint (3).doc URL: From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 19:20:03 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:20:03 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <90AA27D450794BFCB9622D47D4B4A7F8@victory2> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C09@tiger> <90AA27D450794BFCB9622D47D4B4A7F8@victory2> Message-ID: Hey, thanks for the advice, guys. I'm really going to have to tell these guys, "Either you guys adapt to the attitudes we have about blindness and at least don't interfere with me and Deq (my man) or get lost." I also have the opinion of two people including the local imam who believe I can do things on my own. I mean, heck I'm going to college and so is my man. My other person is a sister who believes in me a lot. She pushes me as hard as a boulder, but she herself is a rock I can rely on. Beth On 8/5/11, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote: > Hello David: > > Attitudes are what any person chooses to make of them! The Somalian guy > lives here in the United States; he is MOST LIKELY not returning to Somalia > anytime soon. Beth, on the other hand, knows why she fell in love with him > and wants to marry him. > > I've been around Americans opposed to blind men marrying sighted women and > vice versa; but they were in love, and nothing could stop them! The ones I > know are all still happily married. > > In essence, it is up to Beth to ask her man as many questions about his > culture as she deems fit. If the man gives satisfactory answers that she > can live with, then she can weigh her options and make her own choices, and > her man can do the same. > > Truthfully, if blindness is viewed favorably here in the United States, > there won't be more than 70% underr-employment or lack of employment amongst > the blind. All the software you and me use WILL BE COMPLETELY ACCESSIBLE > straight out of the box and we won't need to pay hefty sums for scripts or > set files. In fact, there will be NO NEED for the ADA! > > Love is NOT A RELIGION; nor is it religious! It is two people believing > that they have much in common and want to live together and share it. Let's > either wish them well, or stare clear! > > Sincerely, > Olusegun > Denver, Colorado > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Aug 5 20:01:09 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:01:09 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] EEO Specialist (Complaints), DOJ position opening, application deadline August 19, 2011 Message-ID: Link: http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/gs11-12eeospecialistcomplaints.htm Text: EEO Specialist (Complaints) EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY STAFF JUSTICE MANAGEMENT DIVISION U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE GS-905-11/12 About the Office: The Justice Management Division (JMD) Equal Employment Opportunity Staff (EEOS) is responsible for developing policy, methods, and procedures for the implementation of the EEO program throughout the Department of Justice. EEOS provides advice, technical assistance, and support to management officials and bureau EEO personnel. Additionally, EEOS maintains the integrity of EEO programs by monitoring and evaluating the effectiveness of EEO officials and their programs. Responsibilities and Opportunity Offered: This position offers a unique opportunity for an individual committed to providing a focused EEO program that ensures equality in the workplace. The EEO Specialist (Complaints), working directly for JMD EEOS Assistant Director for Complaints, will actively advance the policies, procedures, and programs concerning EEO, specifically the EEO Complaint Process. Specific duties include: Develops and effectively recommends policies and establishes internal operating procedures to address highly complex EEO issues and processes. Prepares case analysis in response to grievances and complaints. 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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 20:41:34 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:41:34 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Beth, the NFB law division does not have the time or the resources to deal with some one's colture ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: [blindlaw] some questions > Hi, guys. > I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people > who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They > state that because we are both totally blind, we would > 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. > 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both > graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. > 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so > they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of > discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with > them? Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From garymelc at msn.com Fri Aug 5 21:02:10 2011 From: garymelc at msn.com (gary melconian) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:02:10 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: References: <7a308.536747d0.3b6d286d@aol.com> Message-ID: You can get around this from my research after doing eh jd program and sitting for bar after either 5 years of practice in ca which would allow for practice in other states or the other route is to get a llm which ais an ABA accrediated program which can be done on line i found a few that will allow for this so that is the alternatives to the person wanting to practicein in CA and in other states as well. I hope this helps . Sincerely Yours: Gary Melconian, MBA, CPa and JD candidates Mobile : 818-731-3949 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:41 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning yes, if someone atteneds one of these schools they either need to plan to practice in California or else not be concerned about working for a top firm. Usually there are additional requirements for someone to sit for a bar exam in another state when they haven't attended an ABA accredited law school. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning >I think one of the major challenges with attending an online law school is > ABA acreditation. Several of the California law schools that are distance > learning programs are not ABA accredited, and the only state, I believe, > that allows Bar licensure from non-ABA accredited schools is California. > The > problem exists when the graduate wants to either sit for another State Bar > Exam, and they are not permitted to do so or tries to get a job (even > with > California Bar Licensure) and the employer requires ABA acreditation from > the applicant's law school. Added to that, there is still a great deal > of > negative stigma associated with non-ABA acreditation in the profession, > so > it is probably much more difficult to get a job if your school was not > accredited. > > Good luck. > Ronza > > > > In a message dated 8/5/2011 3:56:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ckrugman at sbcglobal.net writes: > > I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance > learning > and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and > students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a > quality > legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone > there > are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for > considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the > legal > field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. > My > possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend > what > I > have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is > considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete > traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am > not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional > law > school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it > with > present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in > the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to > how > people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is > still > possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under > the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. > Occasionally, someone will still do this. > On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those > being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in > a > conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I > found > this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I > interviewed > with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is > sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be > receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they > have a few blind students attending their program and they have made > attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While > this > is late I hope this helps. > Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > > In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via > distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance > learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend > law > school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the > standard > carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning > this method? Sincerely, RJ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob al.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob al.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com From klkhb at comcast.net Fri Aug 5 22:47:40 2011 From: klkhb at comcast.net (KLKHB@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:47:40 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning References: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn> <493294E088BD4403BB03A9B01DDA9124@spike> Message-ID: <305101EC4FD14C60A9329AD3F150070B@30103043IASLap> Hi Chuck, thanks for writing in detail about the relative merits and demerits of online law studies. Could you please give me the name of the law school you mention at the end of the post? I would like to email the person you spoke to further inquire about the possibility of law studies at their college? Sincerely, Sushil Oswal ---- Original Message ----- From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance learning and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a quality legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone there are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the legal field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. My possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend what I have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional law school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it with present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to how people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is still possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. Occasionally, someone will still do this. On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in a conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I found this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I interviewed with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they have a few blind students attending their program and they have made attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While this is late I hope this helps. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend law school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the standard carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning this method? Sincerely, RJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/klkhb%40comcast.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 23:30:48 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 17:30:48 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Message-ID: <4e3c7d33.c926440a.78e0.1d77@mx.google.com> David, My boyfriend's parents have been dead in Somalia sadly for some years, but his uncle has the best attitude I've seen about blindness: why would the rest of your body work if your eyes didn't? So what if your eyes don't work? The resft of your boddy does. At least that's the attitudde he has about his own nephew and me. His wife, the uncle's wife, and daughters are very kind to me and enjoy hanging out with me and my roommate, who is sighted nd a very strong supporter of my being independent, though she can be a bit of a pushy and demanding subject of jy attention. But whatever. Thanks, and like I said in a previous e-mail, the imam in the local mosque and another sister are strong supporters of me. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" As far as Christians go, you're right, G. I've met Christians who said, "You need healed and new eyes." Give me a break! And they believed that blindness was a thing to be pitied. But that's a whole other subject I've spoken about on the faith list because most of the peoples on the list are Christians. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerard Sadlier wrote: I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.h yde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard. sadlier%40gmail.com -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theblue sisloose%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 23:30:55 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 17:30:55 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Message-ID: <4e3c7d3a.c926440a.78e0.1d7c@mx.google.com> Good words, Olusegun. I'd like to know more about your practice in enver, btw. Interesting. Beth P.S. I liked the last bits about love not being a religion. And the first bits about software? Geez, I want a Mac, NOW! lol, Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." Thank you. I appreciate that. I don't think these poor devils have to show up at the wedding. I'd rather just have four Saudis at my wedding or a few women I know show up. I don't know, but I'd let all the lists know. Thankss a bnch. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." Thank you. You don't have to thank me. I'll be thinking about you all's advice as I continue on the journey. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)" References: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn> <493294E088BD4403BB03A9B01DDA9124@spike> <305101EC4FD14C60A9329AD3F150070B@30103043IASLap> Message-ID: Hello I am not chuck but I can help you as well. It is http://www.nwculaw.edu/ . I have been in contact with a student who is blind who attends that law school and I am also considering it for the future. I am in the areas of tax and accounting and finance . I don't think at the age of 40 it would be practicle for me to go through the headaches of LSAT and the headaches of law school and not being able to work while attending a traditional law school and acquiring lots of loans in the process and not being sure if I will be able to match the amount of dollars spent for law school versus the amount of dollars invested in the field. Also the competitive nature of looking for work in the area of law with younger folks then myself. I am using jd to advance my career in my chosen field of accounting, finance, tax and financial planning which would be better utilized with a jd and law license. I also plan on looking at the LLm which would give me credibility in the eyes of the ABA in which my view you don't need a crediting body to tell you are the best at what you do just do it to the best and you will be happy in what you do and how well you do it. Being in my field in which a lot of people tell me ai don't belong since i am a low vision person in a fieled that has lots of sighted competitors but I prove them wrong every day. So take a look at the link that I have posted in the email and i hope this helps you out. Sincerely Yours: Gary Melconian, MBA, CPA, and JD candidates Mobile: 818-731-3949 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KLKHB at comcast.net Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:48 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning Hi Chuck, thanks for writing in detail about the relative merits and demerits of online law studies. Could you please give me the name of the law school you mention at the end of the post? I would like to email the person you spoke to further inquire about the possibility of law studies at their college? Sincerely, Sushil Oswal ---- Original Message ----- From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance learning and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a quality legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone there are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the legal field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. My possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend what I have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional law school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it with present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to how people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is still possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. Occasionally, someone will still do this. On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in a conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I found this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I interviewed with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they have a few blind students attending their program and they have made attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While this is late I hope this helps. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend law school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the standard carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning this method? Sincerely, RJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob al.net > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/klkhb%40comcast.ne t _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 00:28:17 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:28:17 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] apologies, but interesting lead in Message-ID: <4e3c8aac.4e4ae70a.1635.6414@mx.google.com> I want to thank all of you who answered my questions about the dude's culture. Let me say why this is and why I bothered talking about it. I was wondering where in any Islamic law or jurisprudence (if anybody's studied it) it says that blind people are needy and must receive charity and can never rise above being beggars and such like. There are many different forms of law. Btw, I'd like to be a paralegal if I can't get a job that's steady in the social work business. Thanks. Beth From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 6 04:16:35 2011 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:16:35 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: References: <7a308.536747d0.3b6d286d@aol.com> Message-ID: it definitely isn't impossible. there are always work arounds if one wants to take the time. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary melconian" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > You can get around this from my research after doing eh jd program and > sitting for bar after either 5 years of practice in ca which would allow > for > practice in other states or the other route is to get a llm which ais an > ABA > accrediated program which can be done on line i found a few that will > allow > for this so that is the alternatives to the person wanting to practicein > in > CA and in other states as well. I hope this helps . > Sincerely Yours: > Gary Melconian, MBA, CPa and JD candidates > Mobile : 818-731-3949 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:41 AM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > yes, if someone atteneds one of these schools they either need to plan to > practice in California or else not be concerned about working for a top > firm. Usually there are additional requirements for someone to sit for a > bar > > exam in another state when they haven't attended an ABA accredited law > school. > Chuck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:05 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > >>I think one of the major challenges with attending an online law school is >> ABA acreditation. Several of the California law schools that are >> distance >> learning programs are not ABA accredited, and the only state, I believe, >> that allows Bar licensure from non-ABA accredited schools is California. >> The >> problem exists when the graduate wants to either sit for another State >> Bar >> Exam, and they are not permitted to do so or tries to get a job (even >> with >> California Bar Licensure) and the employer requires ABA acreditation >> from >> the applicant's law school. Added to that, there is still a great deal >> of >> negative stigma associated with non-ABA acreditation in the profession, >> so >> it is probably much more difficult to get a job if your school was not >> accredited. >> >> Good luck. >> Ronza >> >> >> >> In a message dated 8/5/2011 3:56:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> ckrugman at sbcglobal.net writes: >> >> I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance >> learning >> and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and >> students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a >> quality >> legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone >> there >> are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for >> considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the >> legal >> field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal >> experience. >> My >> possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend >> what >> I >> have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is >> considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to >> complete >> traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I >> am >> not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional >> law >> school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it >> with >> present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring >> in >> the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to >> how >> people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is >> still >> possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked >> under >> the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. >> Occasionally, someone will still do this. >> On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those >> being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating >> in >> a >> conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I >> found >> this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I >> interviewed >> with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is >> sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to >> be >> receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that >> they >> have a few blind students attending their program and they have made >> attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While >> this >> is late I hope this helps. >> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal >> 1237 P Street >> Fresno ca 93721 >> 559-266-9237 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RJ Sandefur" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning >> >> >> In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via >> distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance >> learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend >> law >> school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the >> standard >> carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning >> this method? Sincerely, RJ >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob > al.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob > al.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 6 04:19:13 2011 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:19:13 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: <305101EC4FD14C60A9329AD3F150070B@30103043IASLap> References: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn><493294E088BD4403BB03A9B01DDA9124@spike> <305101EC4FD14C60A9329AD3F150070B@30103043IASLap> Message-ID: the law school is Northwestern California College of Law in Sacramento. If you do a search you should find their web site with contact info on it as I don't have it handy right now. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "KLKHB at comcast.net" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > Hi Chuck, thanks for writing in detail about the relative merits and > demerits of online law studies. > > Could you please give me the name of the law school you mention at the end > of the post? I would like to email the person you spoke to further > inquire about the possibility of law studies at their college? > > Sincerely, > > Sushil Oswal > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > > I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance > learning > and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and > students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a > quality > legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone > there > are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for > considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the > legal > field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. > My > possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend > what I > have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is > considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete > traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am > not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional > law > school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it > with > present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in > the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to > how > people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is > still > possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under > the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. > Occasionally, someone will still do this. > On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those > being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in > a > conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I > found > this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I > interviewed > with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is > sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be > receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they > have a few blind students attending their program and they have made > attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While > this > is late I hope this helps. > Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > > In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via > distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance > learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend > law > school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the > standard > carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning > this method? Sincerely, RJ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/klkhb%40comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From AZNOR99 at aol.com Sat Aug 6 12:13:31 2011 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 08:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Message-ID: <27b27.25faa08b.3b6e89eb@aol.com> David, with all due respect, you're wrong about how Islam perceives the blind and blindness. It isn't the religion or its values that pity the blind, and rather various cultural and political beliefs that perpetuate that stereotype. You said "if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity." As a learned Muslim, I'd like to see direct citations in the Qur'an or Hadeeth that support this position. In fact, Hadeeth point to the blind as often the most learned and wise. Anyone who is economically disadvantaged, orphans, and widows are the categories expressly listed to be considered as charity recipients, when they need it. The notion that the Islamic religion expressly believes what you attribute to it is akin to the notion that any blind American walking down the street should be given a dollar because blind should be pitied and taken care of. Most of us on this list would believe that statement is proposterous, and the same is true anywhere else in the world. Please, check your facts before making such statements. Incidentally, I am personally offended by this depiction. Beth, this is a challenging problem. If you and your partner wish to marry, there is no legal reason that I'm aware of that would prevent you from doing so simply because you are blind - this is the case both hear and in somalia. If he is Muslim and you wish to obtain an Islamic marriage, you'll simply both need to be adults, have the requisite number of witnesses, and have completed any type of pre-marrital counseling and marriage contract negotiations the sheikh and specific mosque require. The fact that you are not Somali is not a factor that can prevent the legal marriage contract from being executed or enforced. However, the reception you get from the community is quite a different thing. Statistically, there are many more Somali women in the world and in the U.S. than Somali men (largely due to the consequences of a civil war and current refugee migration systems that give priority to women and children). It may be that these folks who disapprove of your marriage are simply trying to "look out for their own," if you will, because if your fiance marries you, he won't marry a Somali woman. I'm a bit of a subject matter expert on the Somali diaspora, so feel free to email me off-list if you want to discuss this further. Good luck, and congratulations! Regards, Ronza In a message dated 8/5/2011 12:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com From stiehm.law at juno.com Sun Aug 7 20:08:45 2011 From: stiehm.law at juno.com (Patrick H Stiehm) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:08:45 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] A word of caution concerning attending law school via distance learning Message-ID: <20110807.130942.990.1096510@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Over the last several days this list has had a rather extended conversation concerning considering the option of attending law school via distance learning, and specifically online legal education. Permit me to say first of all, that I think online legal education has a very bright future. It's recognition however, is not going to be realized overnight because of the basic conservatism (some would say extreme conservatism) of the American Bar Association and because the further development of this option is contrary to the self interest of law schools and their faculties. The fact is however, that in California, the largest jurisdiction in the nation, this option exists today. However, even for those who wish to practice in California and/or jump through the other hoops necessary to get licensed elsewhere it is best to thoroughly investigate any school you are considering with respect to the success of its graduates in taking the bar examination. In California you have to investigate both the so-called baby bar which, I understand that you are required to take and pass after your first year in a non-ABA accredited law school as well as the California bar exam itself. I would think twice before enrolling in a school with a very low percentage of its graduates passing the California Bar either on the first or subsequent tries. It is a tragedy to invest the money and time in a legal education where you cannot pass the bar. The only thing you have at the end of that kind of process is a very expensive piece of paper that says JD on it. Stiehm Law Office Alexandria, Virginia 703-722-6030 (Voice) 703-935-8266 (Fax) Web Site: https://sites.google.com/site/stiehmlawoffice/ ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e3ef12ae23b747fe92st02vuc From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 20:29:30 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 21:29:30 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] A word of caution concerning attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: <20110807.130942.990.1096510@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20110807.130942.990.1096510@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I think this is good advice. Remember also that if you are looking for a job with a firm afterward, how your school is perceived will have an impact. It probably shouldn't, in principle but the plane truth is that it does. So going to a good school is important if possible. G On 8/7/11, Patrick H Stiehm wrote: > Over the last several days this list has had a rather extended > conversation concerning considering the option of attending law school > via distance learning, and specifically online legal education. Permit me > to say first of all, that I think online legal education has a very > bright future. It's recognition however, is not going to be realized > overnight because of the basic conservatism (some would say extreme > conservatism) of the American Bar Association and because the further > development of this option is contrary to the self interest of law > schools and their faculties. > > The fact is however, that in California, the largest jurisdiction in the > nation, this option exists today. However, even for those who wish to > practice in California and/or jump through the other hoops necessary to > get licensed elsewhere it is best to thoroughly investigate any school > you are considering with respect to the success of its graduates in > taking the bar examination. In California you have to investigate both > the so-called baby bar which, I understand that you are required to take > and pass after your first year in a non-ABA accredited law school as well > as the California bar exam itself. I would think twice before enrolling > in a school with a very low percentage of its graduates passing the > California Bar either on the first or subsequent tries. It is a tragedy > to invest the money and time in a legal education where you cannot pass > the bar. The only thing you have at the end of that kind of process is a > very expensive piece of paper that says JD on it. > > Stiehm Law Office > Alexandria, Virginia > 703-722-6030 (Voice) > 703-935-8266 (Fax) > Web Site: https://sites.google.com/site/stiehmlawoffice/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e3ef12ae23b747fe92st02vuc > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 09:27:14 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 03:27:14 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] update Message-ID: <4e3fac02.cbcde70a.5483.ffff97be@mx.google.com> Hi, guys. Since I have a good legal perspective on the wedding fiasco--I don't know if it'll be a fiasco--I've decided to take some of you all's advice. I've written a letter to the guys responsible for their bad cultural attitudes. I'm not sure if I should send it to anyone for a good editing. Basically, I introduce myself at the beginning, then go into a sort of justification for writing the leetter, like that I want to marry their fellow clansman. Then, I go into the thing about the NFB. Yes, I do mention the NFB. Then, I point out that we've fought and progressed with attitudes about the blind since like the 1800's, whereas they've just NOW gotten schools for the blind in Somalia, which is like 2004. Um, you tell me how behind these people are or what! Then, I told the guys that if they refuse to change their attitudes or at least let Deq off the hook with them, then get out. Leave. I thought David and Daniel's advice was good. I also wanted to point out that the Muslim standpoint doesn't go against the blind--Thanks, Maxwell--and though I consulted my boyfriend, who knows about blind people in Islam who have held high positions and says they know it too--I decided to try a different approach. I mentioned that Somalis haven't quite embraced the inventions used to improve the lives of blind people. I then pointed to Laura Bridgman, though she isn't quite the best example. I pointed out when she attended a school for blind students versus when a Somali notable might have done anything. I pointed out that at least wee know what we're doing. I basically hope that this letter can be sent out, and if you guys have any ideas for perhaps educating the immigrant communities here in Denver about blindness, especially the African Muslims, then please write me privately or on list. Doesn't matter. I thought it would be fun to have a sort of seminar or fieldday made of the whole fiasco so that immigrants would learn about people with handicaps and would not harbor such bad attitudes. Thanks. Beth From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 09:36:41 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:36:41 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] update In-Reply-To: <4e3fac02.cbcde70a.5483.ffff97be@mx.google.com> References: <4e3fac02.cbcde70a.5483.ffff97be@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Dear Beth, I think your intentions are good but I'm not sure how positively such a letter would be received. I think you need to try to find someone these people will respect - a well regarded 3rd party and work through them, to begin with. G On 8/8/11, Beth wrote: > Hi, guys. Since I have a good legal perspective on the wedding > fiasco--I don't know if it'll be a fiasco--I've decided to take > some of you all's advice. I've written a letter to the guys > responsible for their bad cultural attitudes. I'm not sure if I > should send it to anyone for a good editing. Basically, I > introduce myself at the beginning, then go into a sort of > justification for writing the leetter, like that I want to marry > their fellow clansman. Then, I go into the thing about the NFB. > Yes, I do mention the NFB. Then, I point out that we've fought > and progressed with attitudes about the blind since like the > 1800's, whereas they've just NOW gotten schools for the blind in > Somalia, which is like 2004. Um, you tell me how behind these > people are or what! > Then, I told the guys that if they refuse to change their > attitudes or at least let Deq off the hook with them, then get > out. Leave. I thought David and Daniel's advice was good. I > also wanted to point out that the Muslim standpoint doesn't go > against the blind--Thanks, Maxwell--and though I consulted my > boyfriend, who knows about blind people in Islam who have held > high positions and says they know it too--I decided to try a > different approach. I mentioned that Somalis haven't quite > embraced the inventions used to improve the lives of blind > people. I then pointed to Laura Bridgman, though she isn't quite > the best example. I pointed out when she attended a school for > blind students versus when a Somali notable might have done > anything. I pointed out that at least wee know what we're doing. > I basically hope that this letter can be sent out, and if you > guys have any ideas for perhaps educating the immigrant > communities here in Denver about blindness, especially the > African Muslims, then please write me privately or on list. > Doesn't matter. I thought it would be fun to have a sort of > seminar or fieldday made of the whole fiasco so that immigrants > would learn about people with handicaps and would not harbor such > bad attitudes. Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 09:59:36 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 03:59:36 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] update Message-ID: <4e3fb399.4303e70a.2686.ffff9a48@mx.google.com> You're right on that one, G. I am not sure who though will be respected. I know a Somali head of sheikhs or somebody at the local mosque. But I'm not so sure. But thanks. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerard Sadlier wrote: Hi, guys. Since I have a good legal perspective on the wedding fiasco--I don't know if it'll be a fiasco--I've decided to take some of you all's advice. I've written a letter to the guys responsible for their bad cultural attitudes. I'm not sure if I should send it to anyone for a good editing. Basically, I introduce myself at the beginning, then go into a sort of justification for writing the leetter, like that I want to marry their fellow clansman. Then, I go into the thing about the NFB. Yes, I do mention the NFB. Then, I point out that we've fought and progressed with attitudes about the blind since like the 1800's, whereas they've just NOW gotten schools for the blind in Somalia, which is like 2004. Um, you tell me how behind these people are or what! Then, I told the guys that if they refuse to change their attitudes or at least let Deq off the hook with them, then get out. Leave. I thought David and Daniel's advice was good. I also wanted to point out that the Muslim standpoint doesn't go against the blind--Thanks, Maxwell--and though I consulted my boyfriend, who knows about blind people in Islam who have held high positions and says they know it too--I decided to try a different approach. I mentioned that Somalis haven't quite embraced the inventions used to improve the lives of blind people. I then pointed to Laura Bridgman, though she isn't quite the best example. I pointed out when she attended a school for blind students versus when a Somali notable might have done anything. I pointed out that at least wee know what we're doing. I basically hope that this letter can be sent out, and if you guys have any ideas for perhaps educating the immigrant communities here in Denver about blindness, especially the African Muslims, then please write me privately or on list. Doesn't matter. I thought it would be fun to have a sort of seminar or fieldday made of the whole fiasco so that immigrants would learn about people with handicaps and would not harbor such bad attitudes. Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard. sadlier%40gmail.com -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theblue sisloose%40gmail.com From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Mon Aug 8 13:05:26 2011 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 08:05:26 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <27b27.25faa08b.3b6e89eb@aol.com> References: <27b27.25faa08b.3b6e89eb@aol.com> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C0C@tiger> I apologize for the offence, and my misperception. I should know better than to trust my memory of the Holy Koran, rather than doing research first. No offence was intended, I assure you. For those of us who are not learned in the faith of Islam, I am grateful for your correction. Since you are learned in the faith, could you help this lady in her need to convince her prospective in-laws about the ability of blind people? Perhaps what I thought would be an impediment could be a help. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:14 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions David, with all due respect, you're wrong about how Islam perceives the blind and blindness. It isn't the religion or its values that pity the blind, and rather various cultural and political beliefs that perpetuate that stereotype. You said "if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity." As a learned Muslim, I'd like to see direct citations in the Qur'an or Hadeeth that support this position. In fact, Hadeeth point to the blind as often the most learned and wise. Anyone who is economically disadvantaged, orphans, and widows are the categories expressly listed to be considered as charity recipients, when they need it. The notion that the Islamic religion expressly believes what you attribute to it is akin to the notion that any blind American walking down the street should be given a dollar because blind should be pitied and taken care of. Most of us on this list would believe that statement is proposterous, and the same is true anywhere else in the world. Please, check your facts before making such statements. Incidentally, I am personally offended by this depiction. Beth, this is a challenging problem. If you and your partner wish to marry, there is no legal reason that I'm aware of that would prevent you from doing so simply because you are blind - this is the case both hear and in somalia. If he is Muslim and you wish to obtain an Islamic marriage, you'll simply both need to be adults, have the requisite number of witnesses, and have completed any type of pre-marrital counseling and marriage contract negotiations the sheikh and specific mosque require. The fact that you are not Somali is not a factor that can prevent the legal marriage contract from being executed or enforced. However, the reception you get from the community is quite a different thing. Statistically, there are many more Somali women in the world and in the U.S. than Somali men (largely due to the consequences of a civil war and current refugee migration systems that give priority to women and children). It may be that these folks who disapprove of your marriage are simply trying to "look out for their own," if you will, because if your fiance marries you, he won't marry a Somali woman. I'm a bit of a subject matter expert on the Somali diaspora, so feel free to email me off-list if you want to discuss this further. Good luck, and congratulations! Regards, Ronza In a message dated 8/5/2011 12:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 17:31:03 2011 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM Message-ID: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online j.d.'s. Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University (which if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? For those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional classroom or is distance learning a viable option? Thanks. Mike From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Mon Aug 8 17:40:55 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:40:55 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] online LLM In-Reply-To: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D805ACDF0@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> I would be pleased to discuss my experience. I did recently complete my L.L.M. at Am. U. Washington College of Law. I did my L.L.M. in the "traditional" classroom. Despite that there are more and more schools with on-line degrees, including entire legal educational courses of study or classes thereof, my sense is that law schools are concerned about "on-line learning." When I commenced my L.L.M., and now as an alumnus, I have suggested on-line class attendance options. Regarding increasing on-line course options or programs, an obsticle that law schools may confront is ABA accreditation. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gilmore Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:31 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online j.d.'s. Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University (which if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? For those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional classroom or is distance learning a viable option? Thanks. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs.gov From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 17:43:12 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:43:12 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM In-Reply-To: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Boston has an extremely good rep. I studied in Ireland and the UK, which is different. I guess it depend's on where you're at in your career, you might not be able to spend the time in a class room context. G On 8/8/11, Mike Gilmore wrote: > I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online j.d.'s. > Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking > about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer > online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University (which > if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in > general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? For > those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional > classroom or is distance learning a viable option? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From dandrews at visi.com Mon Aug 8 18:04:53 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:04:53 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Associated Press: Legally blind Vt. law student wins 1st big case Message-ID: > > >Legally blind Vt. law student wins 1st big case >Published August 07, 2011 >| Associated Press > > >MIDDLESEX, Vt. - Deanna Jones, a third-year law student who's legally blind >and learning disabled, has won her first big court case: her own. > >Jones sued the National Conference of Bar Examiners in July, accusing it of >violating the Americans With Disabilities Act by refusing to let her take a >key legal ethics exam using a computer with screen access software that she >has used to read in college and in law school. > >Armed with a federal judge's order, she was able to take the test Friday, >closely watched by a proctor, test supervisor and someone from the ACT, Inc. >testing company, she said. > >"I think I did OK," she said. "I left feeling like I probably passed it." > >Jones, who attends Vermont Law School with hopes of practicing disability >law, needs the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam to practice in >Vermont. The NCBE fought her request and plans to appeal, saying the >security of its pencil-and-paper test could be jeopardized if taken >electronically. The organization had offered instead to have someone read >the test to Jones, to let her take the test in Braille, in enlarged print, >and use an audio CD. > >But a judge ruled Tuesday that the examiners had to provide her a laptop >equipped with the special software. Jones said she was "just emotionally >overcome" when she finally sat down for the exam. > >"I just sort of broke into a fit of bawling for a moment," she said Friday >afternoon, after nearly six hours of testing. "It was unbelievable to me >what it had taken just to be able to sit in that chair," she said. > >Dan Goldstein, a Baltimore-based lawyer for Jones and the National >Federation of the Blind, said he's been involved with four other similar >cases, three of which have been successful, resulting in preliminary >injunctive relief. The federation paid Jones' legal bills. > >Her lawyer, Emily Joselson of Middlebury, said federal disability rules and >laws require that examiners "provide the accommodations that best ensure >that the test taker's results on the exam will reflect the substantive >knowledge that's being tested and not their disabilities." > >U.S. District Court Judge Christina Reiss said in a 26-page decision that >"reasonable accommodations" for Jones were not enough and without the laptop >and software Jones had requested "the MPRE will primarily test her ability >to work through her disabilities and that she will not be able to compete on >an equal basis with non-disabled test takers." > >NCBE, based in Madison, Wis., did not return a phone call seeking comment. >Court papers show the nonprofit corporation is seeking to withhold Jones' >score. > >Reiss questioned NCBE's priorities. > >"The public interest compels the court to order accommodations that will >best ensure a disabled person's access to a professional exam that will, in >part, determine whether he or she may practice a chosen profession," she >wrote. > >"The public's interest in the integrity of secure, professional licensing >exams while important and legitimate does not trump the ADA," Reiss wrote. > >Jones' disabilities have long been tested. Legally blind since she was 5 and >not diagnosed with a learning disability until she was in her 30s, Jones >described her public school years in Hightstown, N.J., as a "rough ride." > >What got her through? "My mom," she said. > >I'd come home from a school a mess, you know, just crying at the table," she >said. > >Her mother, Elaine Jones, would get her organized and help her through the >work. > >But Jones dropped out of college after high school with a GPA of .92 after >one year. > >She went on to start a record store and later to run the food service at the >Statehouse in Montpelier. > >In her 30s, everything changed. She learned that in addition to macular >degeneration in each eye - depriving her of centralized vision and >preventing her from seeing anything other than peripheral objects - she also >had atypical retinitis pigmentosa, eyesight-threatening damage to her retina >that causes loss of peripheral vision. > >"What's important about that is that meant I wasn't just going to lose my >central vision, I was going to lose all of my vision," she said at her >Middlesex home. > >She also discovered that she had a learning disability. > >In early 2000, Jones learned about the computer software programs that >allowed her to read and return to college: The ZoomText Magnifier/Reader, >which magnifies text, and Kurzweil 3000 screen reader, which reads the text >aloud and highlights sentences and words that she can follow with a cursor. > >Until then the only book she'd gotten through was a large-print edition of >"The Diary of Anne Frank," which she used for every book report she wrote. > >"So when I got to Vermont College with this particular software and I could >scan any book in the world and read it. It was just unbelievable. > >"It was the first time in my life I was able to read books and it just >opened up the whole world," she said, with tears welling in her eyes. "It >was so amazing." > >She read literature classics - "Moby Dick," ''The Great Gatsby," and "Anna >Karenina" as well as psychology and books in myriad subjects, enough for her >to get a liberal arts degree. > >"I couldn't read until I was in my 30s. It's a big deal," she said. > >While she was an undergraduate, she studied the Americans with Disabilities >Act, rekindling her childhood dream of going to law school, she said. > >She's not sure exactly what she'll do as a lawyer. She thinks about working >with colleges and professional schools, giving sensitivity training about >people with disabilities and how to accommodate them. > >For now, she expects another fight next year when she takes the Vermont bar >exam - which also comes without technology. She hasn't yet inquired about >special accommodations to take that test. > >So far, she's got the grades to prove her success. > >"I have a 3.28 GPA. And if I get a 3.5 by next semester or even in the >following semester, I can graduate cum laude. And I am dying to graduate cum >laude," she said. > > >Read more: >big-case/#ixzz1URD5pUrN> >http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/07/legally-blind-vt-law-student-wins-1st-b >ig-case/#ixzz1URD5pUrN From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Mon Aug 8 18:15:09 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 14:15:09 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Associated Press: Legally blind Vt. law student wins 1st big case In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D805ACE37@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> You go girl. Congratulations to the legal team. Shame on the NCBE. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 2:05 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Associated Press: Legally blind Vt. law student wins 1st big case > > >Legally blind Vt. law student wins 1st big case >Published August 07, 2011 >| Associated Press > > >MIDDLESEX, Vt. - Deanna Jones, a third-year law student who's legally blind >and learning disabled, has won her first big court case: her own. > >Jones sued the National Conference of Bar Examiners in July, accusing it of >violating the Americans With Disabilities Act by refusing to let her take a >key legal ethics exam using a computer with screen access software that she >has used to read in college and in law school. > >Armed with a federal judge's order, she was able to take the test Friday, >closely watched by a proctor, test supervisor and someone from the ACT, Inc. >testing company, she said. > >"I think I did OK," she said. "I left feeling like I probably passed it." > >Jones, who attends Vermont Law School with hopes of practicing disability >law, needs the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam to practice in >Vermont. The NCBE fought her request and plans to appeal, saying the >security of its pencil-and-paper test could be jeopardized if taken >electronically. The organization had offered instead to have someone read >the test to Jones, to let her take the test in Braille, in enlarged print, >and use an audio CD. > >But a judge ruled Tuesday that the examiners had to provide her a laptop >equipped with the special software. Jones said she was "just emotionally >overcome" when she finally sat down for the exam. > >"I just sort of broke into a fit of bawling for a moment," she said Friday >afternoon, after nearly six hours of testing. "It was unbelievable to me >what it had taken just to be able to sit in that chair," she said. > >Dan Goldstein, a Baltimore-based lawyer for Jones and the National >Federation of the Blind, said he's been involved with four other similar >cases, three of which have been successful, resulting in preliminary >injunctive relief. The federation paid Jones' legal bills. > >Her lawyer, Emily Joselson of Middlebury, said federal disability rules and >laws require that examiners "provide the accommodations that best ensure >that the test taker's results on the exam will reflect the substantive >knowledge that's being tested and not their disabilities." > >U.S. District Court Judge Christina Reiss said in a 26-page decision that >"reasonable accommodations" for Jones were not enough and without the laptop >and software Jones had requested "the MPRE will primarily test her ability >to work through her disabilities and that she will not be able to compete on >an equal basis with non-disabled test takers." > >NCBE, based in Madison, Wis., did not return a phone call seeking comment. >Court papers show the nonprofit corporation is seeking to withhold Jones' >score. > >Reiss questioned NCBE's priorities. > >"The public interest compels the court to order accommodations that will >best ensure a disabled person's access to a professional exam that will, in >part, determine whether he or she may practice a chosen profession," she >wrote. > >"The public's interest in the integrity of secure, professional licensing >exams while important and legitimate does not trump the ADA," Reiss wrote. > >Jones' disabilities have long been tested. Legally blind since she was 5 and >not diagnosed with a learning disability until she was in her 30s, Jones >described her public school years in Hightstown, N.J., as a "rough ride." > >What got her through? "My mom," she said. > >I'd come home from a school a mess, you know, just crying at the table," she >said. > >Her mother, Elaine Jones, would get her organized and help her through the >work. > >But Jones dropped out of college after high school with a GPA of .92 after >one year. > >She went on to start a record store and later to run the food service at the >Statehouse in Montpelier. > >In her 30s, everything changed. She learned that in addition to macular >degeneration in each eye - depriving her of centralized vision and >preventing her from seeing anything other than peripheral objects - she also >had atypical retinitis pigmentosa, eyesight-threatening damage to her retina >that causes loss of peripheral vision. > >"What's important about that is that meant I wasn't just going to lose my >central vision, I was going to lose all of my vision," she said at her >Middlesex home. > >She also discovered that she had a learning disability. > >In early 2000, Jones learned about the computer software programs that >allowed her to read and return to college: The ZoomText Magnifier/Reader, >which magnifies text, and Kurzweil 3000 screen reader, which reads the text >aloud and highlights sentences and words that she can follow with a cursor. > >Until then the only book she'd gotten through was a large-print edition of >"The Diary of Anne Frank," which she used for every book report she wrote. > >"So when I got to Vermont College with this particular software and I could >scan any book in the world and read it. It was just unbelievable. > >"It was the first time in my life I was able to read books and it just >opened up the whole world," she said, with tears welling in her eyes. "It >was so amazing." > >She read literature classics - "Moby Dick," ''The Great Gatsby," and "Anna >Karenina" as well as psychology and books in myriad subjects, enough for her >to get a liberal arts degree. > >"I couldn't read until I was in my 30s. It's a big deal," she said. > >While she was an undergraduate, she studied the Americans with Disabilities >Act, rekindling her childhood dream of going to law school, she said. > >She's not sure exactly what she'll do as a lawyer. She thinks about working >with colleges and professional schools, giving sensitivity training about >people with disabilities and how to accommodate them. > >For now, she expects another fight next year when she takes the Vermont bar >exam - which also comes without technology. She hasn't yet inquired about >special accommodations to take that test. > >So far, she's got the grades to prove her success. > >"I have a 3.28 GPA. And if I get a 3.5 by next semester or even in the >following semester, I can graduate cum laude. And I am dying to graduate cum >laude," she said. > > >Read more: >big-case/#ixzz1URD5pUrN> >http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/07/legally-blind-vt-law-student-wins-1st-b >ig-case/#ixzz1URD5pUrN _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs.gov From rumpole at roadrunner.com Mon Aug 8 21:49:05 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:49:05 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney posting - Northern District Alabama, uncompensated Message-ID: <2489602C15D54AED9A51F6DBCF440A84@none8a46117901> Another uncompensated job posting - this time in Alabama Special Assistant United States Attorney (Serves Without Compensation) United States Attorney's Office Northern District of Alabama Honorable Joyce White Vance Vacancy Announcement Number 11-NDAL-05 All resumes/applications should be postmarked by August 22, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-ndal-05.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From garymelc at msn.com Mon Aug 8 22:15:33 2011 From: garymelc at msn.com (gary melconian) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:15:33 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM In-Reply-To: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Michael, that is true, the online llm's are accrediated by the ABA and that is why they ar popular for that reason, but the Jd is a new relm and so that will take some time forh the folks at the accrediateing body to get their heads around. So find the one you ar interested and go for it, if you ar one of those who can study on your own and don't need a class environment, to get you motivated or performing any other tasks that are involved in acquiring your education on line. I did go for my certifications and I did not regret doing it online.So just do it and you wont regret it. Take care. Sincerely Yours: Gary Melconian, MBA, CPA and JD candidates Mobile: 818-731-3949 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gilmore Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:31 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online j.d.'s. Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University (which if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? For those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional classroom or is distance learning a viable option? Thanks. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 22:37:09 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:37:09 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68EDEEB495F04BB8AED8E38D055F498D@hometwxakonvzn> I heard you get your LLM after your J.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary melconian" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] online LLM > Hello Michael, that is true, the online llm's are accrediated by the ABA > and > that is why they ar popular for that reason, but the Jd is a new relm > and > so that will take some time forh the folks at the accrediateing body to > get > their heads around. So find the one you ar interested and go for it, if > you > ar one of those who can study on your own and don't need a class > environment, to get you motivated or performing any other tasks that > are > involved in acquiring your education on line. I did go for my > certifications > and I did not regret doing it online.So just do it and you wont regret it. > Take care. > Sincerely Yours: > Gary Melconian, MBA, CPA and JD candidates > Mobile: 818-731-3949 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Gilmore > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:31 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM > > I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online > j.d.'s. > Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking > about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer > online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University > (which > if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in > general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? > For > those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional > classroom or is distance learning a viable option? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From garymelc at msn.com Mon Aug 8 22:42:27 2011 From: garymelc at msn.com (gary melconian) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:42:27 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM In-Reply-To: <68EDEEB495F04BB8AED8E38D055F498D@hometwxakonvzn> References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <68EDEEB495F04BB8AED8E38D055F498D@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: That is what I ment. I am going for that after my jd which I am currently doing on line at the online school that I had posted in my previous email. After that I am going for an online llm which I have researched which is in San diego ca which is accrediated by ABA and that is why I am going for that one. Also I have plans for going for a few other certification in my industry which I have expertise in. take care Sincerly Yours: Gary Melconian, MBa, CPA and JD candidates Mobile: 818-731-3949 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:37 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] online LLM I heard you get your LLM after your J.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary melconian" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] online LLM > Hello Michael, that is true, the online llm's are accrediated by the ABA > and > that is why they ar popular for that reason, but the Jd is a new relm > and > so that will take some time forh the folks at the accrediateing body to > get > their heads around. So find the one you ar interested and go for it, if > you > ar one of those who can study on your own and don't need a class > environment, to get you motivated or performing any other tasks that > are > involved in acquiring your education on line. I did go for my > certifications > and I did not regret doing it online.So just do it and you wont regret it. > Take care. > Sincerely Yours: > Gary Melconian, MBA, CPA and JD candidates > Mobile: 818-731-3949 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Gilmore > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:31 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM > > I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online > j.d.'s. > Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking > about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer > online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University > (which > if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in > general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? > For > those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional > classroom or is distance learning a viable option? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefu r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com From mikefry79 at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 01:26:09 2011 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:26:09 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM In-Reply-To: References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <68EDEEB495F04BB8AED8E38D055F498D@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: Currently, I'm in an LLM program for biotechnology and genomics from Arizona State University. I completed half the LLM course work in the classrom. Then, I got a good job in another state. Luckily, this fall, the core classes, for the first time, are being offered on-line. I was given the opportunity to beta-test the courses and in return got free tutuion. It worked out well. I'm in the process of writing a thesis to complete the remaining unit requirements. My LLM expereince has been good. Based on my experience, I recommend it. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 3:42 PM, gary melconian wrote: > That is what I ment. I am going for that  after my jd which I am currently > doing on line at the online school that  I had   posted in my previous > email. After that I am  going for an online llm which I have researched > which is in San diego ca which is accrediated by ABA and  that is why I am > going for that one. Also I have plans for going for a few other > certification in my industry which I have expertise in. take care > Sincerly Yours: > Gary Melconian, MBa, CPA and JD candidates > Mobile: 818-731-3949 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of RJ Sandefur > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:37 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] online LLM > > I heard you get your LLM after your J.D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gary melconian" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] online LLM > > >> Hello Michael, that is true, the online llm's are accrediated by the ABA >> and >> that is why they ar popular for that   reason, but the Jd is a new relm >> and >> so that will take some time forh the folks at the accrediateing body to >> get >> their heads around. So find the one you ar interested and go for it, if >> you >> ar one of those who can study on your own and don't need a class >> environment, to get   you  motivated or performing any other tasks that >> are >> involved in acquiring your education on line. I did go for my >> certifications >> and I did not regret doing it online.So just do it and you wont regret it. >> Take care. >> Sincerely Yours: >> Gary Melconian, MBA, CPA and JD candidates >> Mobile: 818-731-3949 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Mike Gilmore >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:31 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM >> >> I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online >> j.d.'s. >> Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking >> about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer >> online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University >> (which >> if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in >> general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? >> For >> those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional >> classroom or is distance learning a viable option? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefu > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From AZNOR99 at aol.com Tue Aug 9 01:31:20 2011 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 21:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Message-ID: <2a7aa.a70043.3b71e7e8@aol.com> Hi David, Thank you very much. I appreciate your reflections. I've emailed Beth off-list and will certainly be happy to assist her in any way I can. However, I do not believe that this discussion is appropriate for this list. While Beth's challenges are valid, this list is reserved for discussion of the practice of law by the blind and/or laws that affect the blind. Thanks, Ronza In a message dated 8/8/2011 9:19:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I apologize for the offence, and my misperception. I should know better than to trust my memory of the Holy Koran, rather than doing research first. No offence was intended, I assure you. For those of us who are not learned in the faith of Islam, I am grateful for your correction. Since you are learned in the faith, could you help this lady in her need to convince her prospective in-laws about the ability of blind people? Perhaps what I thought would be an impediment could be a help. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:14 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions David, with all due respect, you're wrong about how Islam perceives the blind and blindness. It isn't the religion or its values that pity the blind, and rather various cultural and political beliefs that perpetuate that stereotype. You said "if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity." As a learned Muslim, I'd like to see direct citations in the Qur'an or Hadeeth that support this position. In fact, Hadeeth point to the blind as often the most learned and wise. Anyone who is economically disadvantaged, orphans, and widows are the categories expressly listed to be considered as charity recipients, when they need it. The notion that the Islamic religion expressly believes what you attribute to it is akin to the notion that any blind American walking down the street should be given a dollar because blind should be pitied and taken care of. Most of us on this list would believe that statement is proposterous, and the same is true anywhere else in the world. Please, check your facts before making such statements. Incidentally, I am personally offended by this depiction. Beth, this is a challenging problem. If you and your partner wish to marry, there is no legal reason that I'm aware of that would prevent you from doing so simply because you are blind - this is the case both hear and in somalia. If he is Muslim and you wish to obtain an Islamic marriage, you'll simply both need to be adults, have the requisite number of witnesses, and have completed any type of pre-marrital counseling and marriage contract negotiations the sheikh and specific mosque require. The fact that you are not Somali is not a factor that can prevent the legal marriage contract from being executed or enforced. However, the reception you get from the community is quite a different thing. Statistically, there are many more Somali women in the world and in the U.S. than Somali men (largely due to the consequences of a civil war and current refugee migration systems that give priority to women and children). It may be that these folks who disapprove of your marriage are simply trying to "look out for their own," if you will, because if your fiance marries you, he won't marry a Somali woman. I'm a bit of a subject matter expert on the Somali diaspora, so feel free to email me off-list if you want to discuss this further. Good luck, and congratulations! Regards, Ronza In a message dated 8/5/2011 12:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Tue Aug 9 12:41:24 2011 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:41:24 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <2a7aa.a70043.3b71e7e8@aol.com> References: <2a7aa.a70043.3b71e7e8@aol.com> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C24@tiger> You are right, the thread has gone some away from law. We try to help folks when we can. And I appreciate those who, although tolerate those of us who only pass a bar occasionally. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 8:31 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions Hi David, Thank you very much. I appreciate your reflections. I've emailed Beth off-list and will certainly be happy to assist her in any way I can. However, I do not believe that this discussion is appropriate for this list. While Beth's challenges are valid, this list is reserved for discussion of the practice of law by the blind and/or laws that affect the blind. Thanks, Ronza In a message dated 8/8/2011 9:19:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I apologize for the offence, and my misperception. I should know better than to trust my memory of the Holy Koran, rather than doing research first. No offence was intended, I assure you. For those of us who are not learned in the faith of Islam, I am grateful for your correction. Since you are learned in the faith, could you help this lady in her need to convince her prospective in-laws about the ability of blind people? Perhaps what I thought would be an impediment could be a help. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:14 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions David, with all due respect, you're wrong about how Islam perceives the blind and blindness. It isn't the religion or its values that pity the blind, and rather various cultural and political beliefs that perpetuate that stereotype. You said "if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity." As a learned Muslim, I'd like to see direct citations in the Qur'an or Hadeeth that support this position. In fact, Hadeeth point to the blind as often the most learned and wise. Anyone who is economically disadvantaged, orphans, and widows are the categories expressly listed to be considered as charity recipients, when they need it. The notion that the Islamic religion expressly believes what you attribute to it is akin to the notion that any blind American walking down the street should be given a dollar because blind should be pitied and taken care of. Most of us on this list would believe that statement is proposterous, and the same is true anywhere else in the world. Please, check your facts before making such statements. Incidentally, I am personally offended by this depiction. Beth, this is a challenging problem. If you and your partner wish to marry, there is no legal reason that I'm aware of that would prevent you from doing so simply because you are blind - this is the case both hear and in somalia. If he is Muslim and you wish to obtain an Islamic marriage, you'll simply both need to be adults, have the requisite number of witnesses, and have completed any type of pre-marrital counseling and marriage contract negotiations the sheikh and specific mosque require. The fact that you are not Somali is not a factor that can prevent the legal marriage contract from being executed or enforced. However, the reception you get from the community is quite a different thing. Statistically, there are many more Somali women in the world and in the U.S. than Somali men (largely due to the consequences of a civil war and current refugee migration systems that give priority to women and children). It may be that these folks who disapprove of your marriage are simply trying to "look out for their own," if you will, because if your fiance marries you, he won't marry a Somali woman. I'm a bit of a subject matter expert on the Somali diaspora, so feel free to email me off-list if you want to discuss this further. Good luck, and congratulations! Regards, Ronza In a message dated 8/5/2011 12:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From rumpole at roadrunner.com Tue Aug 9 20:17:54 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:17:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty Posting eastern district of Tennessee Message-ID: * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Eastern District of Tennessee Vacancy Announcement #11-EDTN-AUSA-08Applications must be received by Wednesday, August 24, 2011 http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/ausa-11-edtn-ausa-08.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Tue Aug 9 22:00:51 2011 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:00:51 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] A word of caution concerning attending law school via distance learning References: <20110807.130942.990.1096510@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <57157DDC784C44778B424BD89A54A276@victory2> Well, doesn't Wolsey Hall based in England offer a law program off the classroom? The last time I looked into it, it would take nearly ten years or so to graduate because everything is done via correspondence. For those list members based in England, is there anything in the British legal code that prohibits a graduate of Wolsey Hall from becoming a barrister or solicitor? This enquiring mind sure would like to know. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From rumpole at roadrunner.com Tue Aug 9 22:44:25 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:44:25 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Trustee office Atty posting - Corpus Christi TX Message-ID: U.S. Department of Justice U.S. Trustee Program Corpus Christi, Texas (1) Assistant United States Trustee Vacancy Announcement #CORPUS AUST 11-02 Resumes submitted by mail must be postmarked no later than midnight August 31, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/corpusaust-11-02inter.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From brdavis84 at cox.net Wed Aug 10 12:31:08 2011 From: brdavis84 at cox.net (brdavis84 at cox.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 8:31:08 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Barrier Free Walkway Message-ID: <20110810083108.8RPY7.1347235.imail@eastrmwml41> For many years, I have walked my best friend Tig where I was instructed. Even though Tig is not a guide dog" she is my family. I am constantly having to deal with somebody parking their car over the curb. So I try to go to the other end of the car. Sometimes, another car is parked at that end of the long one. I can't go the normal route I am used to. Others can see; I am blind. Do I have any rights as a blind person to have a "barrier free" walkway to walk Tig? The vopa group didn't even respond when I contacted them. They are advocates for the blind. I question that. When the landlord saw that I had written vopa, they tried to make me change the route that I have known for many years to one farther away. it is not good to walk that far at night. I also had to deal with a high pile of mulch, shovels, rakes, etc. in that area. The landscapers, grounds keeper, and the maintenance supervisor were aware of my route. What rights do I have to request a barrier free walkway where I live? Thanks for listening. Tig is there for me when nobody else is. I need her. My best friend is dating someone. I don't get out much. Betty Davis From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 10 15:49:48 2011 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:49:48 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] congresswoman under fire for alleged disability discrimination Message-ID: Congresswoman Under Fire For Alleged Disability Discrimination By Shaun Heasley | July 18, 2011 A member of Congress who has publicly supported the Americans with Disabilities Act now stands accused of denying reasonable accommodations in the workplace. The allegation comes in a lawsuit filed by Mona Floyd, who has a visual disability, against her former employer U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas. Floyd alleges that during the seven months in 2010 that she worked as legislative director and chief counsel for Jackson Lee, the congresswoman failed to accommodate her disability and made disparaging comments when modifications were requested. Now Floyd is suing in U.S. District Court, seeking "back and front pay" in addition to compensatory and punitive damages. According to the suit, Floyd reads 20 to 30 percent slower than average. What's more, her speed is reduced even further if she's not given an opportunity to rest her eyes periodically. Floyd says she was assured prior to being hired to Jackson Lee's staff that her needs would be accommodated. However, soon after taking the job, Floyd was assigned so much reading that she had to work from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. regularly to keep up, the lawsuit says. "I don't care anything about your disability," the complaint indicates that Jackson Lee told Floyd when the issue was raised. The comment came not long after Jackson Lee had expressed her support for the ADA at a congressional hearing, according to the suit. Ultimately, Floyd says in the lawsuit that she resigned last fall because of the "intolerable working conditions." Representatives for Jackson Lee are keeping quiet on the matter. "The office of U.S. Representative Jackson Lee considers internal personnel matters confidential and will not comment publicly on the allegations at this time, except to say that the office fully embraces and fully practices equal employment opportunities for all," Glenn Rushing, Jackson Lee's chief of staff, said in a statement. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2011/07/18/congresswoman-discrimination/13542/print/ From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 16:09:14 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:09:14 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] re zoomex scanning solution Message-ID: Dear all, Has anyone used this equipment? If so, I'd be really grateful if you could give me information on how you have found it? was it useful? I am thinking of acquiring this and it is extremely expensive, so advice would be much appreciated. Ger From 1prince.chris at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 02:57:43 2011 From: 1prince.chris at gmail.com (Chris Judd) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:57:43 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] help Message-ID: On 8/10/11, blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org wrote: > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. U.S. Atty Posting eastern district of Tennessee (Ross Doerr) > 2. Re: A word of caution concerning attending law school via > distance learning (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) > 3. U.S. Trustee office Atty posting - Corpus Christi TX (Ross Doerr) > 4. Barrier Free Walkway (brdavis84 at cox.net) > 5. congresswoman under fire for alleged disability > discrimination (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) > 6. re zoomex scanning solution (Gerard Sadlier) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:17:54 -0400 > From: "Ross Doerr" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty Posting eastern district of Tennessee > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Eastern > District of Tennessee Vacancy Announcement #11-EDTN-AUSA-08Applications must > be received by Wednesday, August 24, 2011 > http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/ausa-11-edtn-ausa-08.htm > > > > Ross A. Doerr Esquire > Admitted to Practice in > Maine and New Hampshire > F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:00:51 -0600 > From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] A word of caution concerning attending law > school via distance learning > Message-ID: <57157DDC784C44778B424BD89A54A276 at victory2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Well, doesn't Wolsey Hall based in England offer a law program off the > classroom? The last time I looked into it, it would take nearly ten years > or so to graduate because everything is done via correspondence. For those > list members based in England, is there anything in the British legal code > that prohibits a graduate of Wolsey Hall from becoming a barrister or > solicitor? This enquiring mind sure would like to know. > > Sincerely, > Olusegun > Denver, Colorado > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:44:25 -0400 > From: "Ross Doerr" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Trustee office Atty posting - Corpus Christi > TX > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > U.S. Department of Justice U.S. Trustee Program Corpus Christi, Texas (1) > Assistant United States Trustee Vacancy Announcement #CORPUS AUST 11-02 > Resumes submitted by mail must be postmarked no later than midnight August > 31, 2011. > http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/corpusaust-11-02inter.htm > > > > > Ross A. Doerr Esquire > Admitted to Practice in > Maine and New Hampshire > F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 8:31:08 -0400 > From: > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Barrier Free Walkway > Message-ID: <20110810083108.8RPY7.1347235.imail at eastrmwml41> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > For many years, I have walked my best friend Tig where I was instructed. > Even though Tig is not a guide dog" she is my family. I am constantly > having to deal with somebody parking their car over the curb. So I try to > go to the other end of the car. Sometimes, another car is parked at that > end of the long one. I can't go the normal route I am used to. Others can > see; I am blind. Do I have any rights as a blind person to have a "barrier > free" walkway to walk Tig? The vopa group didn't even respond when I > contacted them. They are advocates for the blind. I question that. When > the landlord saw that I had written vopa, they tried to make me change the > route that I have known for many years to one farther away. it is not good > to walk that far at night. I also had to deal with a high pile of mulch, > shovels, rakes, etc. in that area. The landscapers, grounds keeper, and the > maintenance supervisor were aware of my route. What rights do I have to > request a barrier free walkway where I live? Thanks for listening. Tig is > there for me when nobody else is. I need her. My best friend is dating > someone. I don't get out much. > > Betty Davis > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:49:48 -0700 > From: > To: > Subject: [blindlaw] congresswoman under fire for alleged disability > discrimination > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Congresswoman Under Fire For Alleged Disability Discrimination > > By Shaun Heasley | July 18, 2011 > > > A member of Congress who has publicly supported the Americans with > Disabilities Act now stands accused of denying reasonable accommodations in > the workplace. > > The allegation comes in a lawsuit filed by Mona Floyd, who has a visual > disability, against her former employer U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, > D-Texas. Floyd alleges that during the seven months in 2010 that she worked > as legislative director and chief counsel for Jackson Lee, the congresswoman > failed to accommodate her disability and made disparaging comments when > modifications were requested. > > Now Floyd is suing in U.S. District Court, seeking "back and front pay" in > addition to compensatory and punitive damages. > > According to the suit, Floyd reads 20 to 30 percent slower than average. > What's more, her speed is reduced even further if she's not given an > opportunity to rest her eyes periodically. > > Floyd says she was assured prior to being hired to Jackson Lee's staff that > her needs would be accommodated. However, soon after taking the job, Floyd > was assigned so much reading that she had to work from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. > regularly to keep up, the lawsuit says. > > "I don't care anything about your disability," the complaint indicates that > Jackson Lee told Floyd when the issue was raised. > > The comment came not long after Jackson Lee had expressed her support for > the ADA at a congressional hearing, according to the suit. > > Ultimately, Floyd says in the lawsuit that she resigned last fall because of > the "intolerable working conditions." > > Representatives for Jackson Lee are keeping quiet on the matter. > > "The office of U.S. Representative Jackson Lee considers internal personnel > matters confidential and will not comment publicly on the allegations at > this time, except to say that the office fully embraces and fully practices > equal employment opportunities for all," Glenn Rushing, Jackson Lee's chief > of staff, said in a statement. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2011/07/18/congresswoman-discrimination/13542/print/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:09:14 +0100 > From: Gerard Sadlier > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] re zoomex scanning solution > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear all, > > Has anyone used this equipment? If so, I'd be really grateful if you > could give me information on how you have found it? was it useful? I > am thinking of acquiring this and it is extremely expensive, so advice > would be much appreciated. > > Ger > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 87, Issue 9 > *************************************** > From rumpole at roadrunner.com Sat Aug 13 18:07:53 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:07:53 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Posting WDC Message-ID: <5927EBEAF13C463ABC9A92B7631A8975@none8a46117901> * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office District of Columbia Washington, D.C. Applications must be received by 5:00 p..m. EST (Eastern Standard Time) on August 18, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/ausa-term-vac-ad.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 23:14:19 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:14:19 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] order Message-ID: <4075096D8EDD4E8EB344EBBF1C088A20@hometwxakonvzn> Could this order be overturned on Appeal? Why or why not? RJ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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U.S. Attorney Posting WDC (Ross Doerr) > 2. order (RJ Sandefur) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:07:53 -0400 > From: "Ross Doerr" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Posting WDC > Message-ID: <5927EBEAF13C463ABC9A92B7631A8975 at none8a46117901> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office > District of Columbia Washington, D.C. Applications must be received by 5:00 > p..m. EST (Eastern Standard Time) on August 18, 2011. > http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/ausa-term-vac-ad.htm > > Ross A. Doerr Esquire > Admitted to Practice in > Maine and New Hampshire > F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:14:19 -0400 > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: [blindlaw] order > Message-ID: <4075096D8EDD4E8EB344EBBF1C088A20 at hometwxakonvzn> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Could this order be overturned on Appeal? Why or why not? 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Billins | Marketing Manager | ABA Center for CLE From rumpole at roadrunner.com Wed Aug 17 20:18:30 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:18:30 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty opening Central Florida Message-ID: <23E404516C12486F83751082EC71AB46@none8a46117901> * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Middle District of Florida Position(s) open until filled. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/usao-mdfl.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From rumpole at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 18 19:23:05 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:23:05 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Bur. of A.T.F.&Explosives posting Message-ID: <2D09DAD29E864B0FA735BF1BC9707735@none8a46117901> * Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Office of Enforcement Programs and Services Office of Regulatory Affairs Supervisory Attorney Advisor, GS-905-15 Washington, D.C. Applications must be received by September 7, 2011, the closing date of this announcement. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/atf-gs-905-15.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From rumpole at roadrunner.com Fri Aug 19 16:35:01 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:35:01 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Bur. of A.T.F. & explosives posting in WDC Message-ID: * Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Office of Enforcement Programs and Services Office of Regulatory Affairs Supervisory Attorney Advisor, GS-905-15 Washington, D.C. Applications must be received by September 7, 2011, the closing date of this announcement. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/atf-gs-905-15.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 19 17:54:26 2011 From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:54:26 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] please contact Message-ID: I would appreciate an opportunity to communicate with the persons listed below. Scott LeBar of Denver Daniel Bietz of Detroit Shannon Giestler of Lubbock Angie Madney of Virginia William Burley of Houston Robert Dittman of San Antonio Would you please contact me off line at your earliest convenience. Thank you. Daniel McBride Attorney at Law Fort Worth, Texas 817 847 0023 dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net From rumpole at roadrunner.com Fri Aug 19 19:02:01 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:02:01 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Two Attorney job postings - Utah and overseas crim. prosecution Message-ID: <7374F622327F4464B8DB27A4DDD1236E@none8a46117901> * U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division Overseas Prosecutorial Development, Assistance and Training Trial Attorney, GS-905-14/15 11-CRM-OPDAT-035 Applications for this position will be accepted until the position is filled. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-crm-opdat-035.htm * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office District of Utah 11-UT-05 Applications must be postmarked no later than August 25, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-ut-05.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 20:38:46 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:38:46 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] re echo locations daniel kish Message-ID: hi all, I wondered if anyone has come across the mobility method pioneered by daniel kish. I would be grateful for information on how to learn this echo location AVAILABLE online. -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From dandrews at visi.com Sun Aug 21 23:58:45 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:58:45 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] re echo locations daniel kish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is not an appropriate discussion for the blind law list. David Andrews, List Owner At 03:38 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote: >hi all, >I wondered if anyone has come across the mobility method pioneered by >daniel kish. I would be grateful for information on how to learn this >echo location AVAILABLE online. > > >-- >Best wishes > >Gerard Sadlier From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Aug 22 20:18:29 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:18:29 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Opening for Disability Rights Associate in Los Angeles/El Segundo Message-ID: From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:40 AM To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG Subject: FW: Opening for Disability Rights Associate in Los Angeles/El Segundo For those in CA. Please note that calls will not be taken. Contact Michelle for more information. William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. Special Projects & Technology Coordinator ABA Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law T: 202-662-1576 william.phelan at americanbar.org http://www.americanbar.org/disability Notice: The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have received this e-mail in error, or are not its intended recipient, please: do not print, copy, or distribute in any way the above message or its attachments; delete this e-mail from your computer; and inform the sender of this error. Thank you. ________________________________ From: Michelle Uzeta Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:41 AM Subject: [DRBA] Opening for Disability Rights Associate in Los Angeles/El Segundo Our 100% disability rights firm is looking for an associate with 3-7 years of exerience (I assume we'd also consider a new admittee with solid law clerking experience). We are a relatively new firm as currently configured (1.5 years) - but the Senior Partner and I have over 40 years of disability rights experience between us, and the remaining attorneys (2 partners, 1 associate) have significant experience in civil litigation and a deep committment to disability rights. Great opportunity for the right person! The office is very laid back - we laugh a lot and don't take ourselves too seriously - but we are also extremely busy. Currently, the majority of our cases are federal ADA/504 cases dealing with architectural barriers and program access from a physical standpoint. I joined the firm at the beginning of the year and we have since expanded to fair housing, reasonable accommodation and communication access issues. In the next couple of years we are hoping to expand into additional areas including, but not limited to mental health advocacy and special education. 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Name: ~WRD000.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: ~WRD000.jpg URL: From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Wed Aug 24 13:44:35 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:44:35 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> Greetings: Providing a missive to spark discussion about a potential on-going forum for the disability rights movement is the purpose of my writing. As my contribution to the disability rights movement, I would propose an annual debate or an annual facilitated dialogue, perhaps as part of the annual symposium of the N.F.B., on some issue. I have thought initially it would be interesting to have an annual debate between a leading figure of A.C.B. and the N.F.B. Having an annual debate between the two organizations might still be helpful. I do believe that, having an even broader focus, would be useful. As an alternative approach, having a facilitated dialogue on disability law and policy with panelists being comprised of Disability Rights Organizations (e.g. the N.F.B.) and other stakeholders, such as the business community, would be helpful. This is a kind of event and forum, intended at creating and fostering discussion, that I, a dispute resolution professional, would be willing to lead. Indeed. This year, a focus of the Alternative Dispute Resolution Section and its board on which I am serving of the Maryland State Bar Association is fostering, through facilitation and related tools, public dialogue. I believe that the agenda of the Section is laudable. Fostering dialogue, even among leaders within the disability rights movement and also among the leaders of the disability rights movement and outside stakeholders, is something to be sought. I would welcome any comments or suggestions. Sincerely, Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. From johnrsheehan at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 13:51:29 2011 From: johnrsheehan at yahoo.com (John Sheehan) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal In-Reply-To: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> References: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> Message-ID: <1314193889.71025.YahooMailNeo@web162019.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I suspect a debate between an ACB and an NFB member would do nothing but deepen the divide and further antagonize. A public forum topic could be interesting and in the light of current legislative movements, might be helpful in getting publicity - but I would think it best to keep it focused.    Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ Chairman Xavier Society for the Blind Web Site: www.xaviersocietyfortheblind.org 154 E. 23rd St NYC 10010 212 473-7800, ext 119 The NFL Raffle is currently going on. To buy a ticket online: http://xaviersocietyfortheblind.givezooks.com/events/nfl-raffle   Residence: 53 E 83rd St New York, NY 10028 Room Phone: 212 606-3420 Cell: 646 853-1820 Blog: www.frjohnsj.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: "Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)" To: Charles Crawford ; NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List ; "Mbrunson at acb.org" ; Carrie Griffin Basas ; "Phelan, William" ; "Cantos, Ollie (CRT)" ; Janet Lord ; "dmorrissey at usicd.org" ; Day Al-Mohamed ; Steven Mendelsohn ; "ostephen at utk.edu" ; "Sheehan, Pat" ; "rsvp at aapd.com" ; Craig Brieske ; Andrew Levy ; Carrie Griffin Basas ; "CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG" ; Bob Rhudy ; "chris at license.state.tx.us" ; "craggio at mdod.state.md.us" Cc: Caroline Griffin ; "Perry, Jason" ; Joshua Friedman Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal Greetings: Providing a missive to spark discussion about a potential on-going forum for the disability rights movement is the purpose of my writing. As my contribution to the disability rights movement, I would propose an annual debate or an annual facilitated                dialogue, perhaps as part of the annual symposium of the N.F.B., on some issue. I have thought initially it would be interesting to have an annual debate between a leading figure of A.C.B. and the N.F.B. Having an annual debate between the two organizations might still be helpful. I do believe that, having an even broader focus, would be useful. As an alternative approach, having a facilitated dialogue on disability law and policy with panelists being comprised of Disability Rights Organizations (e.g. the N.F.B.) and other stakeholders, such as the business community, would be helpful. This is a kind of event and forum, intended at creating and fostering discussion, that I, a dispute resolution professional, would be willing to lead. Indeed. This year, a focus of the Alternative Dispute Resolution Section and its board on which I am serving of the Maryland State Bar Association is fostering, through facilitation and related tools, public dialogue. I believe that the agenda of the Section is laudable. Fostering dialogue, even among leaders within the disability rights movement and also among the leaders of the disability rights movement and outside stakeholders, is something to be sought. I would welcome any comments or suggestions.                 Sincerely, Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Wed Aug 24 15:05:20 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:05:20 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal In-Reply-To: <83754158-650A-4AAE-941E-9285B7727681@yahoo.com> References: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> <83754158-650A-4AAE-941E-9285B7727681@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D8074291D@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> Yes. I am proposing one centralized event, either a debate or more likely a facilitated dialogue. The broader the focus, the better; I do agree. Whether it is intra-disability rights (meaning within all Disability People's Organizations or just among one sector of the disability rights movement, e.g. blindness) or inter-disability rights (by that I mean among the disability community and even "misinformed" members of the business community), I think a facilitated approach to resolving accessibility issues is lacking and a facilitated dialogue would be helpful. Public policy facilitation tools are being used, and have been applied, in an array of issue sets, e.g. the environment. Assuming that people are "hip" to the idea, I am not sure how to "get this off the ground". From: Carrie Griffin Basas [mailto:cdgesq at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:55 AM To: Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) Cc: Charles Crawford; NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List; Mbrunson at acb.org; Phelan, William; Cantos, Ollie (CRT); Janet Lord; dmorrissey at usicd.org; Day Al-Mohamed; Steven Mendelsohn; ostephen at utk.edu; Sheehan, Pat; rsvp at aapd.com; Craig Brieske; Andrew Levy; CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG; Bob Rhudy; chris at license.state.tx.us; craggio at mdod.state.md.us; Caroline Griffin; Joshua Friedman; Perry, Jason Subject: Re: Proposal I would recommend going for a broader focus than just blind orgs, but that's mostly because I'm not blind and I'm interested in fostering a dialogue cross-disability. I'm not sure that most members of the business community would feel comfortable talking in a public forum about their concerns re: disability. They'd have to be pretty exceptional and informed businesses and then they're on "our" side anyway. Isn't some of this kind of discussion happening in bits and pieces at the NFB conference, ODEP's events, AAPD? Perhaps, what you're proposing is centralizing it into an additional event? Carrie On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) wrote: Greetings: Providing a missive to spark discussion about a potential on-going forum for the disability rights movement is the purpose of my writing. As my contribution to the disability rights movement, I would propose an annual debate or an annual facilitated dialogue, perhaps as part of the annual symposium of the N.F.B., on some issue. I have thought initially it would be interesting to have an annual debate between a leading figure of A.C.B. and the N.F.B. Having an annual debate between the two organizations might still be helpful. I do believe that, having an even broader focus, would be useful. As an alternative approach, having a facilitated dialogue on disability law and policy with panelists being comprised of Disability Rights Organizations (e.g. the N.F.B.) and other stakeholders, such as the business community, would be helpful. This is a kind of event and forum, intended at creating and fostering discussion, that I, a dispute resolution professional, would be willing to lead. Indeed. This year, a focus of the Alternative Dispute Resolution Section and its board on which I am serving of the Maryland State Bar Association is fostering, through facilitation and related tools, public dialogue. I believe that the agenda of the Section is laudable. Fostering dialogue, even among leaders within the disability rights movement and also among the leaders of the disability rights movement and outside stakeholders, is something to be sought. I would welcome any comments or suggestions. Sincerely, Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. From Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov Wed Aug 24 15:24:53 2011 From: Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov (Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:24:53 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Using Pro Law With JAWS Message-ID: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F608262948@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov> Hi All, Our office is in the process of purchasing Pro Law billing software. It is sold through the parent company of the same folks who operate Westlaw, and thus it seems the company has a demonstrated commitment to JAWS accessibility. On Pro Law, does anyone know if the current version is accessible with JAWS? Please respond only if you have information on that. Sincerely, Tim Ford From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Wed Aug 24 15:29:18 2011 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:29:18 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Using Pro Law With JAWS In-Reply-To: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F608262948@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov> References: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F608262948@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov> Message-ID: <716411A721824F3AAD57F052AA00A4A8@DHRL6TC1> Last time I tried Prolaw, it wasn't accessibility all. Its been a few years, but I'd want to try it out first. They probably have a demo disk. ------------------------------------------- Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS) Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:25 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Using Pro Law With JAWS Hi All, Our office is in the process of purchasing Pro Law billing software. It is sold through the parent company of the same folks who operate Westlaw, and thus it seems the company has a demonstrated commitment to JAWS accessibility. On Pro Law, does anyone know if the current version is accessible with JAWS? Please respond only if you have information on that. Sincerely, Tim Ford _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergo uld.com From rthomas at emplmntattorney.com Wed Aug 24 16:01:43 2011 From: rthomas at emplmntattorney.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:01:43 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] THELAW.NET Message-ID: <5350DE2946FB42FC8DC4CC6BDA50706A@RThomas> Has anyone had experience with this research tool? It is very JAWS friendly, but I found the navigation to various items on the page to be rather challenging. I would be interested in the experience of others. Given its low price and extensive data base, it could be an extremely useful product. Respectfully, Russell J. Thomas, Jr. Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr. 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 Newport Beach, California 92660 T: (949) 752-0101 F: (949) 257-4756 M: (949) 466-7238 www.emplmntattorney.com Follow me on Twitter: EmplmntAttorney From rumpole at roadrunner.com Wed Aug 24 16:14:36 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:14:36 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal References: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> Message-ID: <160D4A21984F45D28A840B7168E2F8FB@none8a46117901> I would recommend against pitting disability related organizations against each other in a debate. That approach would serve only to highlight differences and keep "us" appearring to be fighting among ourselves. Such a debate among panelists made up of individuals in, for example, the blindness community and nonprofit community - most of whom provide services, might be interesting. But I'd only suggest such an action if there is a stipulation that remedies to identified problems be instituted within a specific time frame. The same type of forum could be used for the deaf and hard of hearing community, etc, etc. to identify change that "we" see as being needed, not what nondisabled service providers feel "we" need. Right now, the required majority of disabled participants on boards for such organizations as ILC, SILC etc, etc puts these ideas out on the floor for discussion, and nothing ever gets done about them after annual meetings. I've spoken with many, many individuals with a disability over the past 24 years who have said the same thing, more or less, in terms of varying degrees of publicaly acceptable language. One gentleman who has been disabled for more than 40 years put it best when he said: "We've heard it all before. From now on, no more talk unless there is a promise of action attached to the talk. I've had it with "we'll take it under consideration" as a response". I've been practicing law in the disability field for many years, and I know the rules and regulations that atach to the disability field. Truth be told, that gentleman has a valid point. Just look at the record of change in things. Speaking strictly for myself, I'd like to see the jobs issue for all individuals with a disability addressed in a truly meaningful way with accountability for ongoing lack-luster performance by those who earn a living being such providers. If you want a debate that will generate instant publicity, try the jobs debate with a promise of jobs linked to it. One for the blindness community withy the private sector and governmental HR people involved, another one for the Deaf and hard of hearing community, one for those with mobility challenges -- that sort of approach. I promise you, that will highlight the similarities between disability related organizations rather than differences. These opinions are only mine, and are not presented as anything other than one man's view. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)" To: "Charles Crawford" ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" ; ; "Carrie Griffin Basas" ; "Phelan,William" ; "Cantos, Ollie (CRT)" ; "Janet Lord" ; ; "Day Al-Mohamed" ; "StevenMendelsohn" ; ; "Sheehan, Pat" ; ; "CraigBrieske" ; "Andrew Levy" ; "CarrieGriffin Basas" ; ; "Bob Rhudy" ; ; Cc: "Caroline Griffin" ; "Perry,Jason" ; "Joshua Friedman" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal > Greetings: > > > Providing a missive to spark discussion about a potential on-going forum > for the disability rights movement is the purpose of my writing. > > > As my contribution to the disability rights movement, I would propose an > annual debate or an annual facilitated dialogue, perhaps > as part of the annual symposium of the N.F.B., on some issue. > > > I have thought initially it would be interesting to have an annual debate > between a leading figure of A.C.B. and the N.F.B. > > > Having an annual debate between the two organizations might still be > helpful. I do believe that, having an even broader focus, would be useful. > > > As an alternative approach, having a facilitated dialogue on disability > law and policy with panelists being comprised of Disability Rights > Organizations (e.g. the N.F.B.) and other stakeholders, such as the > business community, would be helpful. > > > This is a kind of event and forum, intended at creating and fostering > discussion, that I, a dispute resolution professional, would be willing to > lead. Indeed. This year, a focus of the Alternative Dispute Resolution > Section and its board on which I am serving of the Maryland State Bar > Association is fostering, through facilitation and related tools, public > dialogue. I believe that the agenda of the Section is laudable. Fostering > dialogue, even among leaders within the disability rights movement and > also among the leaders of the disability rights movement and outside > stakeholders, is something to be sought. I would welcome any comments or > suggestions. > > > Sincerely, > Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3852 - Release Date: 08/23/11 > From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Wed Aug 24 16:42:03 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:42:03 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Proposal In-Reply-To: <160D4A21984F45D28A840B7168E2F8FB@none8a46117901> References: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> <160D4A21984F45D28A840B7168E2F8FB@none8a46117901> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D807429BB@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> I do welcome any comments and suggestions. I agree in part and disagree in part. A focus of any meaningful facilitation would be an agreed-on resolution to a problem, issue or concern. Publicity would be a welcomed goal but not the first goal. As we formulate this idea or approach, I will keep all comments in mind. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ross Doerr Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:15 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Proposal I would recommend against pitting disability related organizations against each other in a debate. That approach would serve only to highlight differences and keep "us" appearring to be fighting among ourselves. Such a debate among panelists made up of individuals in, for example, the blindness community and nonprofit community - most of whom provide services, might be interesting. But I'd only suggest such an action if there is a stipulation that remedies to identified problems be instituted within a specific time frame. The same type of forum could be used for the deaf and hard of hearing community, etc, etc. to identify change that "we" see as being needed, not what nondisabled service providers feel "we" need. Right now, the required majority of disabled participants on boards for such organizations as ILC, SILC etc, etc puts these ideas out on the floor for discussion, and nothing ever gets done about them after annual meetings. I've spoken with many, many individuals with a disability over the past 24 years who have said the same thing, more or less, in terms of varying degrees of publicaly acceptable language. One gentleman who has been disabled for more than 40 years put it best when he said: "We've heard it all before. From now on, no more talk unless there is a promise of action attached to the talk. I've had it with "we'll take it under consideration" as a response". I've been practicing law in the disability field for many years, and I know the rules and regulations that atach to the disability field. Truth be told, that gentleman has a valid point. Just look at the record of change in things. Speaking strictly for myself, I'd like to see the jobs issue for all individuals with a disability addressed in a truly meaningful way with accountability for ongoing lack-luster performance by those who earn a living being such providers. If you want a debate that will generate instant publicity, try the jobs debate with a promise of jobs linked to it. One for the blindness community withy the private sector and governmental HR people involved, another one for the Deaf and hard of hearing community, one for those with mobility challenges -- that sort of approach. I promise you, that will highlight the similarities between disability related organizations rather than differences. These opinions are only mine, and are not presented as anything other than one man's view. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)" To: "Charles Crawford" ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" ; ; "Carrie Griffin Basas" ; "Phelan,William" ; "Cantos, Ollie (CRT)" ; "Janet Lord" ; ; "Day Al-Mohamed" ; "StevenMendelsohn" ; ; "Sheehan, Pat" ; ; "CraigBrieske" ; "Andrew Levy" ; "CarrieGriffin Basas" ; ; "Bob Rhudy" ; ; Cc: "Caroline Griffin" ; "Perry,Jason" ; "Joshua Friedman" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal > Greetings: > > > Providing a missive to spark discussion about a potential on-going forum > for the disability rights movement is the purpose of my writing. > > > As my contribution to the disability rights movement, I would propose an > annual debate or an annual facilitated dialogue, perhaps > as part of the annual symposium of the N.F.B., on some issue. > > > I have thought initially it would be interesting to have an annual debate > between a leading figure of A.C.B. and the N.F.B. > > > Having an annual debate between the two organizations might still be > helpful. I do believe that, having an even broader focus, would be useful. > > > As an alternative approach, having a facilitated dialogue on disability > law and policy with panelists being comprised of Disability Rights > Organizations (e.g. the N.F.B.) and other stakeholders, such as the > business community, would be helpful. > > > This is a kind of event and forum, intended at creating and fostering > discussion, that I, a dispute resolution professional, would be willing to > lead. Indeed. This year, a focus of the Alternative Dispute Resolution > Section and its board on which I am serving of the Maryland State Bar > Association is fostering, through facilitation and related tools, public > dialogue. I believe that the agenda of the Section is laudable. Fostering > dialogue, even among leaders within the disability rights movement and > also among the leaders of the disability rights movement and outside > stakeholders, is something to be sought. I would welcome any comments or > suggestions. > > > Sincerely, > Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3852 - Release Date: 08/23/11 > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs.gov From rumpole at roadrunner.com Wed Aug 24 20:01:38 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:01:38 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Job Postings Message-ID: <8040D6438CA741E19A94F77D0F1474F9@none8a46117901> * U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division Overseas Prosecutorial Development, Assistance and Training Trial Attorney, GS-14/15 11-CRM-OPDAT-037 Applications will be accepted until September 16, 2011. [ http://www..justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-crm-opdat-037.htm ] _______________________________________ * Special Assistant United States Attorney (Serves Without Compensation) United States Attorney's Office Northern District of Ohio Vacancy Announcement Number: NDOH-11-01 Applications must be received no later than September 20, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/ndoh-11-01.htm ] Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From rumpole at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 25 12:20:54 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:20:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney posting - uncompensated - southern CA. Message-ID: <19A673E35896441E92E0409F8F1AE799@none8a46117901> Doesn't Southern California have a somewhat high cost of living? * Uncompensated Special Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Southern District of California 11-SDCA-SAUSA-04 Application materials must be postmarked by the deadline date of September 9, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-sdca-sausa-04.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Aug 25 15:57:06 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:57:06 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} FW: NFB Imagineering Our Future: A Strong Foundation Message-ID: Blindlaw listers: The below e-newsletter from the Jernigan Institute has a feature about blind lawyer and member of this list, Denise Avant. From: Mark Riccobono [mailto:JerniganInstitute at nfb.org] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:01 AM To: Nightingale, Noel Subject: NFB Imagineering Our Future: A Strong Foundation [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11065.jpg]View this newsletter as HTML in your browser. View last month's newsletter. Imagineering Our Future Issue 37 August 2011 In this issue: * Message from the Executive Director * What's New * Education * Braille Initiative * Research * Advocacy * Straight Talk About Vision Loss * Product and Access Technology Talk * From the tenBroek Library * Independence Market * Parent Outreach * Spotlight on the Imagination Fund * NFB Calendar * Citation [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Message from the Executive Director Dear Friends, Two days ago we were engaged in the normal course of activities here at the NFB Jernigan Institute. I was in my office on the fourth floor near the northwest corner of our building. Suddenly the building began to shake and it did not stop for a good half a minute-an earthquake. We were able to quickly account for all of our staff, even those on assignment in Virginia closer to the epicenter, and our building showed no signs of being damaged. Once those two things were out of the way, I started thinking about unexpected situations and how we deal with them. One of the things the National Federation of the Blind teaches blind individuals is how to deal with a variety of unexpected situations with confidence. Throughout our training programs we teach how to face fear and deal with uncertainty. Part of the process for learning to handle uncertainty is to develop a strong set of skills. Another aspect is to get opportunities to tackle challenging tasks that provide perspective and confidence. In the process, we attempt to fuel the natural curiosity for knowledge and new experiences that lives within all of us. Our methods have proven useful for thousands of blind people, empowering them to venture into new, sometimes unimagined, opportunities. On Tuesday, it struck me that the earthquake provided some symbols of the experience of the NFB. We are firm in our resolve and we tackle problems with confidence. Yet, there are sometimes those who attempt to shake our determination. Whether the subject is eliminating subminimum wages or raising expectations for the education of blind children, there are often disruptions in our progress meant to change our direction. Our organization is built on a strong foundation, and our team is prepared for uncertainty. The members of the Federation are not afraid to tackle big issues, even if they seem so much bigger than we can handle, because we know the power that comes from our individual efforts, collectively focused. I was pleased that our Jernigan Institute building in Baltimore showed the same strong foundation that our organization has across the country. I was even more pleased that no one was hurt in the earthquake and that everyone responded with the resolve and teamwork that is characteristic of our organization. While there is much work to do, we have the confidence to know that we can handle the uncertainty that lies ahead. Here is hoping that each of you have a safe and relaxing end of the summer. [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11057.jpg] Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Featured NFB News [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/Alaska_protest_Web__Small.jpg] Equal Pay for Equal Work Update The National Federation of the Blind successfully conducted over twenty informational protests across the United States to raise awareness about disabled people being paid less than the federal minimum wage. Whenever we tell members of the public about this practice, they are astonished that such a thing could happen in the 21st century. The demonstrations were held on July 26, the twenty-first anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act, at the primary district office locations of United States senators serving on the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP Committee is currently considering legislation-the Workforce Investment Act-which would reauthorize the payment of subminimum wages to disabled workers. Thanks to educational efforts from NFB and other like-minded disability groups, the vote to reaffirm this shocking policy has been postponed indefinitely. For more information on this critically important matter, please read the Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Web page, the resolution passed at the NFB national convention, or the speech "No More Subminimum Wages: The Time is Now!" which was delivered by Dr. Frederic K. Schroeder on July 8, 2011. National Convention If you missed the 2011 NFB National Convention or would like to re-live all of the excitement, access audio of highlights from the convention. The National Federation of the Blind would like to extend a warm thank you to our 2011 National Convention sponsors, especially our title sponsor, eBay, and platinum sponsors, UPS and HumanWare. We appreciate your support of the movement and are grateful for the work you do. [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/ebay_cmyk.gif] [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/12073.gif] [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/12072.gif] [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Education [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/YS2011_student_Web_small.jpg] 2011 NFB Youth Slam During the week of July 18, 2011, 133 blind students invaded Towson University's campus for the third-ever NFB Youth Slam. The students were grouped three to a pod, paired with a blind mentor, and assigned to one of ten tracks. Then they spent their week learning about science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM). The space and the engineering tracks teamed up to build a six-foot-tall geodesic dome, the computer science track programmed iPods, and the robotics track built robots that could play dodge ball. Students also had the opportunity to climb a rock wall, sing karaoke, or play goal ball in the evenings. The students took turns riding in the Blind Driver Challenge(r) vehicle with Mark Riccobono or Anil Lewis at the wheel. Earlier in the day there was a driving demonstration for ABC News. Virginia Tech grad students posted a lot of photos in the Blind Driver Challenge(r) at Youth Slam Facebook album. To learn more about NFB's STEM initiatives for blind youth, follow NFBScience on Twitter. SLAM THAT! Youth Track This summer we facilitated several activities for blind and sighted youth, ages 11 to 18, as a part of the NFB Youth Track at our national convention. The goal of this series of activities was to foster a positive philosophy about blindness among the youth. On Sunday, July 3, students engaged in several activities modeled after popular board games that engaged the students in discussions about blindness. Evening social events included "The Amazing Race" (a fast-paced game at a local mall) and "Minute to Swim It" (a pool party with a lot of silly games). The youth also spent time in sessions where they learned about the Federation and our work. These sessions covered topics such as the organizational structure of the NFB, subminimum wage legislation, what convention resolutions are and why they are important, and a description of the Blind Driver Challenge(r). Computer Science Academy 2011 Do you know a blind teen who is interested in computer science? The Computer Science Academy 2011 is a perfect opportunity for blind youth to learn more about computer science. This two-day program, to be held October 7-8 at the NFB Jernigan Institute, will serve twenty-five blind students in grades seven to eleven and their parents. Applications are due by the end of August. Download an application and learn more about the program at the ImagineIT page or contact Natalie Shaheen for more information. Braille Initiative NFB BELL Program Have you heard the BELLs ringing this summer? Over the last three months, eleven NFB BELL programs have been facilitated in seven states. Blind students across the country spent two weeks getting introduced to Braille or building upon their existing Braille skills. Students spent a great deal of time learning through play and other unconventional activities; as a result they left the program excited about Braille and how being Braille literate can positively impact their lives. The program in Savannah was featured on a local news broadcast-check out this video from WJCL ABC-TV. For more information about the NFB BELL program visit the BELL Web page or contact Natalie Shaheen. Research NFB 2011 Convention Title Sponsor eBay [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/ebay_cmyk.gif] eBay Survey The National Federation of the Blind is interested in online accessibility and improved access to commerce. In that spirit, we are working in partnership with eBay to continuously improve eBay's Web site accessibility and create new business opportunities for blind individuals. Please take a few minutes to provide feedback about your experiences and needs in the realm of Internet shopping (e-commerce). By taking this survey, you are helping eBay continue to improve the accessibility of its site. The link below leads to an online survey that asks questions about your Internet shopping habits. Please make your voice heard. Your opinions are extremely valuable, and your responses are completely confidential and will be analyzed only in combination with those of other participants. Let eBay know how you feel about online accessibility! Give your responses on the survey page. Thank you for contributing to consumer-driven improvements on the Internet. Advocacy Deanna Jones. Photo credit: The Associated Press [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/deanna_jones_Web_small.jpg] Blind Law Student Wins Case On July 5, Deanna Jones, a blind student at Vermont Law School, filed a complaint in federal court against the National Conference of Bar Examiners (NCBE) and ACT, Inc., for violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Ms. Jones was registered to take the Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination (MPRE), which is part of the requirements for obtaining a law license in Vermont. The complaint was filed because the NCBE and ACT, Inc., refused to make the MPRE accessible to Ms. Jones, who is blind and has a learning disability. On August 2, a judge ruled that Ms. Jones be allowed to take the MPRE on a laptop equipped with screen access software. For more information on this important victory for Ms. Jones and for all blind people, please read the Associated Press article "Legally Blind Vermont Law Student Wins 1st Big Case." Straight Talk About Vision Loss Campers use their sense of smell to detect whether a chemical reaction has taken place. Photo credit: Amy Standen for NPR [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/CA_science_campers.jpg] Hoby Wedler is working on his Ph.D. in chemistry at the University of California, Davis. Hoby had been one of the first students in our 2004 Science Academy and he was an instructor at NFB Youth Slam 2011. In April of this year, Hoby coordinated a chemistry camp for blind students in California. Hoby said, "At the camp, ten motivated blind high school students learned exciting ways to do chemistry accessibly from practicing U.C. Davis chemists. Equally important to the actual science, the students learned that their blindness should not hold them back from pursuing careers in any field they care to study. These students loved science and realized that blindness can be a tremendous advantage to chemistry because, as I like to tell people, 'Nobody can see atoms.' Several students came terrified to hold a pipette or test tube and left wanting to pursue careers in science!" NPR Weekend Edition aired a report about the California camp on July 31, 2011, and we invite you to listen to "Blind Teens Tap Into Senses At Chemistry Camp." [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Product and Access Technology Talk On June 26, the NFB Jernigan Institute's access technology team demonstrated devices as exhibitors at the Deaf-Blind Camp's Technology Expo in West River, Maryland. July was national convention month, and it was a busy one. The technology seminar in Orlando covered some really exciting topics: * Accessibility for Androids-a session on finding the accessibility and the barriers in Android-driven devices with Caroline Ragot, Marketing Director at Code Factory * eBook Accessibility-topics covered included Blio, Kindle for PC, Adobe Digital Editions and other platforms that are accessible. The panel consisted of representatives from major content providers and platforms: * James Gashel, Vice President of Business Development, K-NFB Reading Technology, Inc. * Tom Hadfield, Chief Technology Officer, Coursesmart * Rick Johnson, Chief Technology Officer, Ingram Content Group * Matt May, Accessibility Evangelist, Adobe * There's an Accessible App for That, You Know!-a session on making the most of the apps on your phone, including how to use them for productivity, home automation, etc. * How to Build an Accessible Web Site-an introductory session that outlined simple ways to make your Web site accessible and easy to navigate The sessions received enthusiastic response and were very well attended. Also at the national convention, Pearson Publishing hosted an event inviting blind students to provide extensive feedback on their educational (and specifically math) content. We are delighted to report that there was a great deal of interest, and we expect that this ongoing cooperation with the publishing giant will result in better access to educational resources. In November, there is the Accessing Higher Ground conference in Colorado, where the team will be presenting two sessions, one on Tactile Graphics, and one called Beyond Checklists-Promoting Nonvisual Accessibility through Task-based, Firsthand Testing. Accessing Higher Ground, because of its focus on education, is always a great place to network and to hear what the most pressing issues are for accessibility professionals and educators in higher education. In keeping with the focus on STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math), the Access Technology Blog has a post from guest blogger John Gardner, best known as the founder of tactile graphics company ViewPlus, on Access2Science, a collaborative educational source of STEM materials. The site serves blind students, teachers, parents, and anyone else with an interest in the topic. Other posts give some first impressions on the new Mac OS X Lion and deal with Adobe's Digital Editions e-reader. Web Accessibility Training Day The NFB Jernigan Institute and the Maryland Department of Disabilities Technology Assistance Program are pleased to present the second annual Web Accessibility Training Day. On Monday, September 19, we will offer a day-long, in-depth look at how accessible Web content that complies with federal and state regulations is created. There will be a variety of general topic sessions, with afternoon breakout sessions on policy and technical topics. The registration deadline is August 31 and seating is limited, so make sure to book your seat for this exciting event. We will cover, among other things: * How to make the case for accessibility * How to make your site accessible * How to evaluate accessibility * How to keep up with changing regulations We will have speakers from the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), eBay, Blackboard, the U.S. Access Board, Adobe, and many other organizations. For an up-to-the-minute agenda and to register, please visit www.nfb.org/webaccessibility or contact Clara Van Gerven at (410) 659-9314, extension 2410. [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11697.jpg] [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/doit.bmp] [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] From the tenBroek Library Onward with Oral History! On August 10 we were honored by a visit from Frank Kurt Cylke, who recently retired as director of the National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped. Mr. Cylke was kind enough to drive up to the NFB Jernigan Institute from his home in Virginia for an oral history interview. Our conversation with him set two precedents. First, we were able to conduct the interview in the NFB recording studio, the same place where Marc Maurer records his presidential releases. Will Schwatka, our sound engineer, made the facility available and provided first-rate technical support. The result was excellent, and we look forward to Will's cooperation in recording future interviews. This interview was also the first we've done with a sighted person who has worked closely with the Federation in its efforts to change what it means to be blind. Our future oral history interviews will continue to include such people, as well as blind people with stories to tell. [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/KJ_and__FKC_Web_small.jpg] Frank Kurt Cylke's first encounter with the NFB occurred in 1971, when-with three years' experience at the Library of Congress-he was appointed to head the NLS. One of his earliest tasks was to restore relations with Kenneth Jernigan, relations that had been damaged by insensitivity on the part of Mr. Cylke's predecessor. Impressed by Dr. Jernigan's forcefulness and charisma, Mr. Cylke quickly understood that regular contact with the NFB would be important if he were to succeed in meeting the NLS mission. Our interview covered everything from his family background, to his hobbies, to his successes in guiding the NLS through forty years of great changes in the technologies of libraries for the blind. We hope to make portions of this interview available on the NFB Web site before too long. Meanwhile we urge you to take a look at one of the best examples of cooperation between the NLS and the organized blind, the collection of essays published in 2000 under the title Braille into the Next Millennium, which is available in Web-Braille and talking book formats to eligible NLS readers. And please remember, the Jernigan Institute is always interested in receiving recordings and transcripts of oral history interviews. Think of who in your chapter or affiliate might have memories that ought to be recorded, get hold of a recording device, and proceed. For help in preparing for the interview, tenBroek Library staff members have developed a guide to oral history interviewing. And if you have someone in mind but are unable to conduct the interview yourself, we also invite Imagineering Our Future readers to bring these potential oral history subjects to our attention. We will do what we can to arrange an interview with a Jernigan Institute staff member or another Federationist. Independence Market Newly designed white cane [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/7-section_cane.png] The NFB Independence Market was open for business during the national convention this past July, and many convention attendees took the opportunity to examine the products we have to offer. One of the popular items this year was our new seven-section, carbon fiber, folding white cane. This well-balanced, lightweight cane designed for us by Chris Park features an easy grip handle as well as the NFB metal glide tip. At this time the cane is available in sizes ranging from 55 to 61 inches in two-inch increments, and it costs $40.00 plus shipping and handling. The NFB was instrumental in pioneering the use of longer white canes as well as the use of canes by very young blind children. Recently we have been working with Chris Park to improve the design of our long white canes. As a result, we are phasing in new straight fiberglass, straight carbon fiber, and telescoping carbon fiber canes. We are looking forward to an ongoing collaboration with Mr. Park, so that we can continue on the improvement of the design of our white canes. For more information or to place an order for white canes or other products, please contact the NFB Independence Market via e-mail or by phone at (410) 659-9314, extension 2216, Monday-Friday 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. eastern time. [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Parent Outreach Laura Weber and Lindsay Adair. Photo credit: Jimmy Loyd for the Houston Chronicle [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/Lindsay_Adair.jpg] An article was published August 10 in the Houston Chronicle featuring National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC) President Laura Weber and her daughter Lindsay Adair. Read "Her Vision is for Blind Daughter to Enjoy a Normal Life" and learn how Laura started out a NASA bioengineer and became the NOPBC president and about her daughter Lindsay's interests and plans for the future. [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Spotlight on the Imagination Fund The Imagination Fund builds programs of the National Federation of the Blind at the national, state, and local levels. The success of the Imagination Fund and the programs it makes possible is due to the efforts of blind and sighted men and women in communities across the nation. These supporters of the Imagination Fund are called "Imaginators," and they make an annual commitment to spread the word about the NFB Jernigan Institute and help to raise funds for our programs and initiatives. Denise Avant holding her Imaginator of the Year Award [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/Denise_Avant_holding_award_Web_small.jpg] The Imaginator of the Year Award was created to recognize the exceptional efforts of our most dedicated and successful Imaginators. This year on July 5, 2011, Denise Avant was presented the National Federation of the Blind Imaginator of the Year Award for her outstanding work in raising funds for the 2010-2011 Race for Independence. Denise speaks passionately about her involvement, "The Imagination Fund is so very important. It helps fund programs like Braille Enrichment for Literacy and Learning, the BELL program. Raising funds for programs like the BELL program benefits so many people." Denise raised over $2,000 from eighty different people. When asked how she was able to reach so many donors she said, "I explained to people that I am a member of the NFB and about how we foster a sense of independence for the blind, and how important our work is, and people would want to give and know more about the NFB." In becoming an Imaginator, Denise used her time and talent to make a difference and help change what it means to be blind. You can, too-become an Imaginator and get involved in the Race for Independence. [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] NFB Calendar July 6, 2011 The 100th anniversary of the birth of Dr. Jacobus tenBroek. The July 2011 Braille Monitor issue is devoted to writings about the life and work of Dr. tenBroek, including never-before-published personal correspondence. The Fall Convention Season The yearly meetings of NFB's state affiliates cluster in the fall and spring. The following states meet in August and September: West Virginia, South Carolina, Arizona, North Carolina, Montana, New York, and Kentucky. To look up when other state annual meetings occur, see the state conventions page on the NFB's Web site. September 19, 2011 Web Accessibility Training Day, presented by the NFB and the Maryland Department of Disabilities Technology Assistance Program at the NFB Jernigan Institute. October 2011 Meet the Blind Month, a campaign conducted by NFB chapters throughout the country every October. We challenge you to participate in innovative and unique meet-and-greet events in your local community this year. For information, contact Melissa Kobelinski. October 7-8, 2011 Computer Science Academy, presented by the NFB and the Rochester Institute of Technology at the NFB Jernigan Institute. [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Citation The remarkable story of a blind man and the guide dog that led him and dozens of others to safety just moments before the World Trade Center crumbled nearly 10 years ago has become an instant best-seller. Thunder Dog: The True Story of a Blind Man, His Guide Dog & the Triumph of Trust at Ground Zero made its debut on the vaunted New York Times bestseller list this week in its first week of release. -"Blind 9/11 Survivor's Story an Instant New York Times Bestseller," PR Newswire, August 22, 2011 Back to Top Thank you for reading the NFB Jernigan Institute's Imagineering Our Future. 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Forward this newsletter. If this issue was forwarded to you and you'd like to subscribe, please e-mail JerniganInstitute at nfb.org. Unsubscribe from receiving email, or change your email preferences. [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/powered_by_convio.gif] nonprofit software From rumpole at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 25 16:42:35 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:42:35 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] 4 postings, DOJ & U.S. Atty offices Message-ID: * Deputy Chief Public Integrity Section Criminal Division U.S. Department of Justice Washington, DC 11-CRM-PIN-040 Submissions must be post-marked or received by September 24, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-crm-pin-040.htm ] * Uncompensated Special Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Southern District of California 11-SDCA-SAUSA-03 Application materials must be postmarked by the deadline date of September 2, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-sdca-sausa-03.htm ] * Special Assistant United States Attorney (SAUSA)(Serves Without Compensation)United States Attorney's Office Western District of Wisconsin Vacancy Announcement Number: 11-WDWI-07 All required documents must be received by Friday, September 9, 2011, although applications received after that date may be considered until the position is filled. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/sausavacanen-wdwicrm.htm ] * Special Assistant United States Attorney (SAUSA)(Serves Without Compensation)United States Attorney's Office Western District of Wisconsin Vacancy Announcement Number: 11-WDWI-06 All required documents must be received by Friday, September 9, 2011, although applications received after that date may be considered until the position is filled. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/sausavacanent-wdwicivil.htm ] * Associate General Counsel (Consumer Practice), GS-905-14/15 Executive Office for United States Trustees Office of The General Counsel Washington, DC Vacancy Announcement Number: 11-34-14001 Applications must be received no later than midnight September 7, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/ogcagcconprac-detail.htm ] Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Aug 25 23:30:43 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:30:43 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Virtual Forum on Improving Access to Federal IT to be Held September 8, DBTAC Message-ID: Link: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-08-18/html/2011-21144.htm Text: [Federal Register Volume 76, Number 160 (Thursday, August 18, 2011)] [Notices] [Pages 51345-51346] >From the Federal Register Online via the Government Printing Office [www.gpo.gov] [FR Doc No: 2011-21144] ======================================================================= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ARCHITECTURAL AND TRANSPORTATION BARRIERS COMPLIANCE BOARD On Behalf of the Accessibility Committee of the Federal Chief Information Officers Council; Listening Session Regarding Improving the Accessibility of Government Information AGENCY: Federal Chief Information Officers Council, Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board. ACTION: Notice of meeting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY: This notice announces a listening session that the Federal Chief Information Officers Council will be conducting to hear from the public on ways the federal government can take stronger steps toward improving the acquisition and implementation of accessible technology for people with disabilities. In order to better understand the needs of diverse communities, the Federal Chief Information Officers Council, in collaboration with the Chief Acquisition Officers Council, the General Services Administration Office of Governmentwide Policy, and the U.S. Access Board, will hold a virtual listening session, where participants may either call in or log onto a Web site to participate and express concerns and propose ideas. DATES: The listening session will be held on September 8, 2011 from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. Eastern Time (E.T.). ADDRESSES: The listening session will be held by telephone and online. Instructions on how to participate are at: http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/session-instructions.htm. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Tim Creagan, Office of Technical and Information Services, Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board, 1331 F Street, NW., Suite 1000, Washington, DC 20004- 1111. Telephone (202) 272-0016 (voice) or (202) 272-0074 (TTY). e-mail address board.gov">creagan at access-board.gov. SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: In 1998, Congress amended the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 to require Federal agencies to make their electronic and information technology accessible to people with disabilities. Inaccessible technology interferes with an ability to obtain and use information quickly and easily. Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act (29 U.S.C. 794d) was created to eliminate barriers in information technology, open new opportunities for people with disabilities, and encourage development of technologies that will help achieve these goals. The law applies to all federal agencies when they develop, procure, maintain, or use electronic and information technology. Under Section 508, agencies must give employees with disabilities and members of the public with disabilities access to information that is comparable to access available to others without disabilities. Effective implementation of Section 508 is an essential element of President Obama's principles of open government, requiring that all government and data be accessible to all citizens. In order for the goal of open government to be meaningful for persons with disabilities, technology must also be accessible, including digital content. On July 19, 2010, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) took steps to assure that the Federal government's progress in implementing Section 508 is stronger and achieves results more quickly by releasing a memorandum to agencies, titled ``Improving the Accessibility of Government Information'' (see http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/procurement_memo/improving_accessibility_gov_info_07192010.pdf). The OMB has directed that a series of listening sessions be held to gain feedback on ways to improve Section 508 performance. The Federal Chief Information Officers Council, in collaboration with the Chief Acquisition Officers Council, the General Services Administration Office of Governmentwide Policy, and the U.S. Access Board, have held four listening sessions to engage citizens and federal employees and hear their concerns and ideas. Transcripts from the previous listening sessions can be found on the Federal Chief Information Officers Council Accessibility Committee webpage (http://www.cio.gov/pages.cfm/page/Listening-Sessions). This final listening session will be a virtual session, where participants may either call in or log onto a website to participate. The listening session will focus on what steps the federal government can take to increase the accessibility and usability of government information and data for persons with disabilities. Input from private industry is sought on the following questions: What is private industry doing to implement information technology (IT) accessibility that the federal government should follow? How can implementation of Section 508 be improved? What could the federal government ask for that would allow vendors to better show that their products meet accessibility provisions? What support do newly emerging technology companies need to build in accessibility in their product and service offerings? Input is also sought on the following questions: What can the federal government do to use technology better or in new ways? What can the federal government do to make technology more accessible? What emerging technologies does the federal government use that you cannot? What technologies should the federal government use that would enhance your interactions with government agencies? What are state and local governments doing to implement information technology accessibility that the federal government should follow? [[Page 51346]] What is academia doing to implement IT accessibility that the federal government should follow? What can the federal government do to influence technology accessibility? What can the federal government do to support the availability of effective communities of practice on IT accessibility? Would the IT industry benefit from a professional certification or credential that denotes a company's expertise in accessibility? If so, how could it be implemented and what role should the government play? Feedback from the listening session will be used by, and shared across agencies to improve accessibility and usability of electronic and information technology. The listening session will be accessible. Computer assisted real-time transcription (CART) will be provided. Persons wishing to participate in the virtual listening session can either call in and speak their comments over the telephone or go online and type them on the afternoon of the listening session. Callers should dial 1-877-939-0745 and then enter 51300082 to join the session; callers must use a touch-tone telephone. Persons going online should go to the Access Board's Web site at http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/session-instructions.htm for instructions. David M. Capozzi, Executive Director. [FR Doc. 2011-21144 Filed 8-17-11; 8:45 am] BILLING CODE 8150-01-P From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Aug 25 23:33:40 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:33:40 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] "Section 508 - The Basics", DBTAC webinar, September 1, 2011 Message-ID: Link: http://www.accessibilityonline.org/Schedule/#nextSession Text: September 1st, 2011 "Section 508 - The Basics" Available for registration, link: http://www.accessibilityonline.org/Registration/ Submit A Question for upcoming session, link: http://www.accessibilityonline.org/Pre-SessionQuestions Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act Amendments requires that when Federal departments or agencies develop, procure, maintain, or use electronic and information technology, they must ensure that the technology is accessible to federal employees and members of the general public with disabilities, unless an undue burden would be imposed on the department or agency. Do you know what types of electronic and information technology is covered by Section 508? Do you have questions about how to comply with the standards? If so, this is the session for you! While the Board is presently involved with updating these standards, this session will focus on providing a basic overview of the current standards. A question and answer session will be provided at the conclusion of the session. Presenters: Tim Creagan, link: http://www.accessibilityonline.org/Speakers/#creagan Senior Accessibility Specialist/Information Technology US Access Board Bruce Bailey, link: http://www.accessibilityonline.org/Speakers/#bailey_bruce Accessibility Specialist Continuing Education Recognition Available: Certificate of Attendance (Free) UI CEU (free) : 0.15 Credits Text: Webinar to Review Section 508 Basics The next scheduled webinar in the Board's free monthly series will take place September 1 from 2:30 - 4:00 (ET) and review Section 508 requirements for accessible electronic and information technology in the federal sector. Board presenters will explain the scope of the law and technologies covered and provide an overview of the Board's existing Section 508 standards. For more information, including registration instructions, visit link: www.accessibilityonline.org Archived copies of previous Board webinars can be accessed on this site. From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Fri Aug 26 12:36:31 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:36:31 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Issues Related To Forthcoming Storm And Assistance Dogs In-Reply-To: <001801cc637c$5d840750$4001a8c0@Sarah> References: <001801cc637c$5d840750$4001a8c0@Sarah> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742FFA@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> Greetings: Emergency Assistance Thanks to Guide Dog Users, Inc. for creating this fund. The Maryland Area Guide Dog Users, Inc. did prove to be a pioneer in creating this kind of fund many years ago, i.e. we created a fund for emergency medical care related expenses. For residents of Maryland, please contact the Sheehan who are copied or included above or Vanessa who is also copied or included above for more information. Unfortunately, this fund still has not been expanded beyond just members of MAGDU; however, I do hope that, for humanitarian purposes, NAGDU members will be considered as well. That being said, the financial capitalization of the fund is still low. Be Safe, Prepare Residents of the MidAtlantic region should start preparing today, perhaps have started preparing yesterday, to have the ability to care for your guide dog for three days, i.e. food, water, etc. Supplies should be organized and be ready to be taken with you in the circumstance there is an evacuation, i.e. a "to-go kit". Civil Rights Presuming that I am squared away, then assistance dog handlers in the MidAtlantic region can telephone me should they encounter access issues at shelters. As long as my own family and I are safe, I am pleased to be of assistance via telephone with you and the shelter. To the extent there are access rights for trainers of assistance dogs or the puppy raisers of guide dogs, that is determined under state law and on a state-by-state basis. Be safe. Sincerely, Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. From: GDUI-LEADERS at yahoogroups.com [mailto:GDUI-LEADERS at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Calhoun Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:12 PM To: gdui board Cc: gdui-lEADERS at yahoogroups.com Subject: [GDUI-LEADERS] Financial assistance for GDUI members affected by a disaster Hello GDUI members, We hope everyone in the path of the upcoming hurricane, will be alright. We all will be thinking of you and praying no one is effected. In the event any GDUI member is impacted by the upcoming hurricane or any other disaster, and is in need of emergency financial assistance to feed, take care, etc. for their working guide dog, GDUI has recently developed the Emergency Disaster Financial Assistance (EDFA) program. You can read the details and qualifications on our website: www.gdui.org Go to the link to the "Emergency Disaster Fund". How to Contact GDUI EDFA Volunteer Staff: Applicants and/or those assisting the applicant can call Jane Sheehan, Office Manager/Treasurer: 1-866-799-8436 option 1 from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time or email requests to: treasurer at gdui.org Be safe, let us know how you are doing. Sarah Calhoun, EDFA Chair [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group The opinions expressed in this message are solely the views of the individual who posted it, and they do not reflect the viewpoints of GDUI or its list moderators. GDUI encourages discussion about guide dogs and issues related to guide dogs, but does not necessarily endorse the individual viewpoints posted in any particular message appearing on this list. 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Kind regards Ger -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From rumpole at roadrunner.com Fri Aug 26 22:17:27 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:17:27 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] 2 overseas DOJ attorney postings Message-ID: <4E49137C6A1747F593936A6305F54486@none8a46117901> * U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division Overseas Prosecutorial Development, Assistance and Training Anti-Corruption Resident Legal Advisor Trial Attorney, GS-0905-14/15 11-CRM-DET-039 Applications for this position should be submitted by August 31, 2011. However, this announcement will remain open until the position is filled. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-crm-det-039.htm ] * Experienced Attorney, GS-905-14/15 U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division Office of Overseas Prosecutorial Development, Assistance and Training Resident Legal Advisor in Bamako, Mali 11-CRM-DET-036 Applications for this position will be accepted until this position is filled. 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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Aug 26 23:20:25 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:20:25 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Research and Writing Specialist, Federal Public Defender - Seattle Message-ID: From: fangseattle at googlegroups.com [mailto:fangseattle at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daquiz, Abigail - SOL Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:01 PM To: fangseattle at googlegroups.com Subject: [fangs] Position Announcement - Research and Writing Specialist, Federal Public Defender - Seattle A rare opening at the Federal Public Defender! ________________________________ From: Becky Fish [mailto:Becky_Fish at fd.org] Subject: Position Announcement - Research and Writing Specialist, Federal Public Defender - Seattle Hello Federal Bar Association Members, Copied below is a position announcement for our current opening for a Research and Writing Specialist in the Seattle office of the Federal Public Defender. This information is also available on our website (www.wawfpd.org). We will accept applications for this position until September 30th, 2011. Please submit all application materials by US Mail to the address listed below. Thank Your, Becky Becky Fish Administrative Assistant Federal Public Defender Western District of Washington (206) 553-1100 POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT RESEARCH AND WRITING SPECIALIST POSITION #: 2011-2-ATTY ANNOUNCED: August 25, 2011 CLOSES: September 30, 2011 The Federal Public Defender Office for the Western District of Washington, operating under authority of the Criminal Justice Act, 18 U.S.C. 3006A to provide defense services in federal criminal matters in the federal courts, is seeking a Research and Writing Specialist. Applicants must be law school graduates, who have been admitted to and are in good standing with their state bars. A minimum of two years of legal experience and knowledge of criminal law is required. Experience in habeas law and handling federal criminal cases is strongly preferred. The Research and Writing Specialist will provide legal research and writing services to the Defender and Assistant Defenders in support of representations for indigent defendants in federal court. These services will require computer assisted legal research, development of legal strategies, drafting of motions, briefs, petitions for certiorari and legal memoranda. The selection criteria will consider the following areas: * a commitment to the representation of the indigent accused, * an established capacity or a demonstrated aptitude of excellence in criminal defense practice, * a commitment to personal and professional integrity, * an established capacity of effective communication with clients, witnesses, colleagues, staff and court personnel, * an established capacity for timely completion of assignments and projects, * an established capacity for independent and collaborative work. This job is based in the Seattle office and is contingent on federal funding. It is full-time position with federal salary based on qualifications and experience. The salary range is $50, 628 to $155,500. The salary will be based on education and experience consistent with federal guidelines and regulations. The position is subject to mandatory Electronic Funds Transfer (direct deposit) and includes federal benefits. Employment will be considered provisional pending the successful outcome of a background fingerprint check. Federal Public Defender attorneys may not engage in the private practice of law. Further information about the job and the office is available at http://wawfpd.org. Applications for this position need to contain a letter of interest, resume, and two work references (including names, addresses and telephone numbers). Applications will only be accepted if submitted by U.S. Mail to: Thomas W. Hillier, II Federal Public Defender Attn: Human Resources 1601 Fifth Avenue, Suite 700 Seattle, WA 98101 NO TELEPHONE OR E-MAIL INQUIRIES PLEASE. The Federal Public Defender is an equal opportunity employer. -- You received this message because you are a federal agency attorney and subscribed to the FANGS group. To SEND A MESSAGE to this group, email to fangseattle at googlegroups.com. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, email fangseattle+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fangseattle?hl=en From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Aug 29 16:08:54 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:08:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [Jobs] Legal Writer Needed Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Everett Gavel Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:28 AM To: 'Robert D. Campbell' Cc: jobs at nfbnet.org Subject: [Jobs] Legal Writer Needed FYI, Everett -----original message----- LEGAL WRITER NEEDED Solo lawyer needs help writing bills of particulars and related legal paperwork. Self starting and productive is essential. Prior experience helpful Compensation: up to $15 per hour to start Reply to: Nitex7 at aol.com _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Aug 30 15:42:21 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:42:21 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: DRC AMA Job Announcement Message-ID: From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 5:02 AM To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG Subject: FW: DRC AMA Job Announcement Job in Los Angeles, CA. William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. Special Projects & Technology Coordinator ABA Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law T: 202-662-1576 william.phelan at americanbar.org http://www.americanbar.org/disability Notice: The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have received this e-mail in error, or are not its intended recipient, please: do not print, copy, or distribute in any way the above message or its attachments; delete this e-mail from your computer; and inform the sender of this error. Thank you. ________________________________ From: Autumn Elliott Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:52 PM To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [DRBA] DRC AMA Job Announcement The Los Angeles regional office of Disability Rights California is seeking an experienced attorney to fill an Associate Managing Attorney position. Please see the attached announcement and job description for more details. Application deadline is Sept. 9 to be considered for a first-round interview. 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Name: AMA LA Job Desc 8-11.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 38132 bytes Desc: AMA LA Job Desc 8-11.docx URL: From rumpole at roadrunner.com Tue Aug 30 20:45:54 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:45:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] 3 Attorney postings, CA - PA-VA Message-ID: * Attorney-Advisor Federal Bureau of Prisons Northeast Regional Office (Consolidated Legal Center) Philadelphia, Pennsylvania GS-905-12/13/14 This position is open until filled, but no later than September 4, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/fbop-atty-adv-phila.htm ] * Special Assistant United States Attorney (Serves Without Compensation) United States Attorney's Office Western District of Virginia Vacancy Announcement # 11-WDVA-SAUSA-04 Position is open until filled. [ http://www..justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-wdva-sausa-04.htm ] * Assistant United States Attorney - Civil Division United States Attorney's Office Northern District of California Vacancy Announcement # 11-NDCA-E-06 Positions are opened until filled; however, resumes will only be accepted until September 12, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-ndca-e-06.htm ] Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From LBlake at nfb.org Wed Aug 31 14:42:29 2011 From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 07:42:29 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Save the date--2012 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Message-ID: Dear Friend: I am pleased to announce that plans are well underway for the 2012 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium, "Disability Identity in the Disability Rights Movement." Mark your calendar to attend the Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium at the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute on April 19-20, 2012. The symposium will conclude at approximately 12:30 PM on Friday, April 20. Be sure to visit the law symposium Web page at http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Law_Symposium.asp during the coming months for agenda, registration, and hotel information. You will also find links to recordings of the 2008 through 2011 symposia on this Web page. Papers from the 2011 symposium will be published by the Texas Journal on Civil Liberties and Civil Rights. To view online the full text articles from the 2008 symposium volume or to purchase the 2009 symposium volume, go to http://www.utexas.edu/law/publications/issn/tjclcr/tjclcr_info.html. I look forward to seeing you on April 19-20, 2012 at the Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium. Be sure to save the date! With best regards, Lou Ann Lou Ann Blake, J.D. Law Symposium Coordinator Jacobus tenBroek Library Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221 Fax: (410) 659-5129 E-mail: lblake at nfb.org Web site: www.nfb.org Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. From AZNOR99 at aol.com Wed Aug 31 23:00:02 2011 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [blindlaw] News Story about Blind Federal Prosecutor Yusef Dale Message-ID: <2e81e.72b62479.3b9016f2@aol.com> _http://www.wgntv.com/news/coverstory/wgntv-cover-story-yusef-dale-aug29,0,2 171165.story_ (http://www.wgntv.com/news/coverstory/wgntv-cover-story-yusef-dale-aug29,0,2171165.story) From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Mon Aug 1 12:01:38 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:01:38 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] books on women and girls with disabilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D8037693D@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> I do only know of the article that Carrie G. Basas wrote on women lawyers with disabilities. That article can be located via West Law. Thanks. From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie Ortoleva Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 4:26 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] books on women and girls with disabilities Hi all, Hope your summer is going well. Is anyone by chance aware of any books specifically on women and girls with disabilities, either internationally or nationally? I am looking for both legal books, social science books and feminist disability studies books that are either general or that cover a specific topic with respect to women and girls with disabilities. Please reply to the below email address. Thank you. Stephanie Ortoleva, Esq. International Human Rights Lawyer Researcher and Advocate on Human Rights, Women's Rights and the Rights of Women with Disabilities stephanieortoleva at gmail.com Check out new updates on my website at: www.WomenEnabled.org and Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/WomenEnabled for information on human rights, women's rights and the rights of women with disabilities internationally. Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D9A3581EDUPTCEXMB03e_"; type="multipart/alternative" From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [ mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:16 PM To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG Subject: Two New Web Features for Law Students and Prospective Law Students The Commission today released two web features to primarily help law students with disabilities and prospective law students with disabilities: 1. Requesting Accommodations for the LSAT< http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources/lsat_accom.html > has a concise listing of procedures, tips, and deadlines concerning requests for accommodations on the Law School Admission Test (LSAT). There are links to additional resources, and a case listing of lawsuits by individuals seeking accommodations for the LSAT will be forthcoming. 2. Law School Disability Programs Directory< http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources/law_school_programs.html >, while not entirely new, has received a fresh look and some updated information. This state-by-state directory lists all ABA-approved law schools and their submitted information concerning disability law courses, extra/co-curricular activities focusing on disability law or law students with disabilities, clinics that handle disability law, and other relevant information. The portion of the directory containing contact information on disability support contacts was recently updated to include nearly all of the schools' disability resource centers. This directory is a good place to start when selecting a law school or for employers who would like to know what law schools are accommodating to students with disabilities or students with an interest in disability law. You can find out additional web features from the Commission on our resources page.< http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources.html > In the coming weeks, the Commission will be announcing additional web features, so please stay tuned. Best, William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. Special Projects & Technology Coordinator Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law American Bar Association 740 15th Street, NW, 9th Fl. Washington, DC 20005-1022 T: 202-662-1576 F: 202-442-3439 william.phelan at americanbar.org< mailto:william.phelan at americanbar.org> http://www.americanbar.org/disability Notice: The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and/or privileged. 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This new List Subscription Page allows you to manage your lists, as well as join others. If you have any issues you may either contact the list owner via email: CMPDL-3D-request at mail.americanbar.org< mailto:CMPDL-3D-request at mail.americanbar.org>, or the ABA Service Center at phone: 1-800-285-2221 or email: service at americanbar.org< mailto:service at americanbar.org>. ______________________________________ _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/womankind%40earthlink.net From rumpole at roadrunner.com Mon Aug 1 17:40:17 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:40:17 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty posting Message-ID: <062CF55450B44560ABBBF527F1656723@none8a46117901> * Office of Attorney Recruitment and Management United States Department of Justice Attorney/Reimbursable Detail The position will remain open until filled, but applications must be submitted no later than the close of business on Friday, August 12, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/oarm-fbi-ard.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From david.b.andrews at state.mn.us Tue Aug 2 13:35:56 2011 From: david.b.andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews, David B B (DEED)) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:35:56 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Need semi-retired (or inactive) attorney for content creation Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Everett Gavel Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:23 AM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Subject: [Jobs] Need semi-retired (or inactive) attorney for content creation Any inactive attorneys here? Here's a paying opportunity for you. I know nothing more than what you'll read in the ad, below. Be quick, though, as CraigsList ads seem to only last 3 days or so, and when the ad is deleted, so is the response e-mail address in the ad. Need semi-retired attorney for content creation http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/wrg/2524095935.html Date: 2011-08-01, 11:43AM EDT I'm looking for a semi-retired or inactive family law attorney who is interested in making some money for content creation for my website. Send me an email if you are interested. .Compensation: $30 per hour Reply to: gigs-22prm-2524095935 at craigslist.org Strive On! Everett _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/david.b.andrews%40state.mn.us From rumpole at roadrunner.com Wed Aug 3 19:15:10 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:15:10 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. DOJ Security Div - posting for victims of terrorism office Message-ID: * United States Department of Justice National Security Division Attorney Advisor, GS-905-15 Office of Justice for Victims of Overseas Terrorism Applications will be handled on a rolling basis until all available positions are filled. Closing date: August 17, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/nsd-atty-ad-gs905-15.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Aug 3 23:35:52 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:35:52 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [rehab] NIDRR Peer Review Opportunity Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Edward Bell Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:26 AM To: NOMC mailing list; Rehab Mailing list Subject: [rehab] NIDRR Peer Review Opportunity FYI. Also note that you will receive up to $800 for doing the review. Hello, The National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research (NIDRR) in the U.S. Department of Education is seeking peer reviewers for two upcoming competitions: Disability in the Family and ADA National Network Regional Centers (formerly Disablity and Business Technical Assistance Centers) . Both competitions will take place by teleconference and an online computer system, so reviewers are not required to travel. 1.) Disability and Rehabilitation Research Project on Disability in the Family. This competition will be held on August 30-September 1, 2011. This competition is very broad, and NIDRR needs peer reviewers with expertise and knowledge in a wide range of areas, such as but not limited to: (a) research; (b) development (e.g., of technology, interventions, universal design); (c) family members with disabilities across the lifespan; (d) caregiving; (e) the experience of families who have a member with a disability; and (f) policies and financing. The text of the final priority and notice inviting applications are provided in the links below. Priority Announcement: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-06-09/pdf/2011-14345.pdf Notice Inviting Applications: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-06-09/html/2011-14342.htm 2.) ADA National Network Regional Centers (formerly known as Disability and Business Technical Assistance Centers). The competition will be held September 12-14, 2011. For this competition, NIDRR needs peer reviewers with expertise and knowledge in the following areas: (a) training, technical assistance, dissemination, knowledge translation; (b) the Americans with Disabilities Act (and related updates and amendments); (c) the person-in-environment and civil rights approaches to disability (as opposed to the medical model of disability); (d) program operations and design. The text of the final priority and notice inviting applications are provided in the links below. Priority Announcement: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-06-29/pdf/2011-16392.pdf (See Priority 1, Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) National Network Regional Centers) Notice Inviting Applications: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-06-29/pdf/2011-16391.pdf If you are interested in being considered for either of these review panels, please email a current copy of your resume to bonnie.gracer at ed.gov, and include all appropriate contact information. Please be sure to highlight your background and ability to evaluate applications in the areas noted above, or in other areas you deem appropriate. Please note that Federal employees are not eligible to serve as reviewers in this competition. Please feel free to distribute this notice to others who may be interested as well. Bonnie L. Gracer, MA, MSW U.S. Department of Education National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research Washington, D.C. http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/osers/nidrr/about.html Edward C. Bell, Ph.D., CRC, NOMC REGISTER TO TAKE THE NATIONAL CERTIFICATION IN LITERARY BRAILLE (NCLB) Exam http://www.nbpcb.org/pages/announcements.php Get your T-Shirt to promote Independence for the Blind http://www.gemini-rt.com/?page_id=37 Director, Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana Tech University 210 Woodard Hall PO Box 3158 Ruston LA 71272 Office: 318.257.4554 Fax: 318.257.2259 (Fax) Skype: edwardbell2010 ebell at latech.edu www.latech.edu/instituteonblindness ******************** "I am somehow less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." -- Stephen Jay Gould _______________________________________________ rehab mailing list rehab at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/rehab_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for rehab: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/rehab_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Aug 4 20:14:17 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 15:14:17 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Two Upcoming Important Disability Law CLEs! Message-ID: From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:43 AM To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG Subject: Two Upcoming Important Disability Law CLEs! Please see the attached flyers for two important disability law/disability/rights CLEs sponsored by the Commission: - Building a Successful and Supportive Special Needs Practice (8.16.2011) - How to Represent Social Security Claimants with Mental and Physical Disabilities (8.23.2011) The Commission is proud to announce that its CLEs will be offered with the option of real-time CART as an accommodation. William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. Special Projects & Technology Coordinator Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law American Bar Association 740 15th Street, NW, 9th Fl. Washington, DC 20005-1022 T: 202-662-1576 F: 202-442-3439 william.phelan at americanbar.org http://www.americanbar.org/disability Notice: The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have received this e-mail in error, or are not its intended recipient, please: do not print, copy, or distribute in any way the above message or its attachments; delete this e-mail from your computer; and inform the sender of this error. Thank you. ============== Going to respond to this message? Be sure to hit "Reply All" when doing so. Disability Discussion Docket (3D) ABA Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability.html [cid:~WRD057.jpg] ------------------ Material distributed over 3D is for educational and informational purposes only. The contents of any e-mail, including any statements that may be construed as legal advice or referral, are solely the responsibility of the e-mail's author. 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Name: social_security_cle_flyer.pdf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 30928 bytes Desc: social_security_cle_flyer.pdf URL: From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 5 07:55:17 2011 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 00:55:17 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn> References: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: <493294E088BD4403BB03A9B01DDA9124@spike> I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance learning and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a quality legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone there are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the legal field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. My possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend what I have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional law school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it with present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to how people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is still possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. Occasionally, someone will still do this. On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in a conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I found this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I interviewed with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they have a few blind students attending their program and they have made attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While this is late I hope this helps. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend law school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the standard carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning this method? Sincerely, RJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net > From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 08:15:03 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:15:03 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Are Their US Lawbooks Available Online Message-ID: Hi all, Can anyone tell me if there is any way of obtaining us law books online? I'm interested in constitutional law, contract, insurance and administrative law. Major text books would be especially helpful. Thanks, Ger From AZNOR99 at aol.com Fri Aug 5 11:05:17 2011 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 07:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning Message-ID: <7a308.536747d0.3b6d286d@aol.com> I think one of the major challenges with attending an online law school is ABA acreditation. Several of the California law schools that are distance learning programs are not ABA accredited, and the only state, I believe, that allows Bar licensure from non-ABA accredited schools is California. The problem exists when the graduate wants to either sit for another State Bar Exam, and they are not permitted to do so or tries to get a job (even with California Bar Licensure) and the employer requires ABA acreditation from the applicant's law school. Added to that, there is still a great deal of negative stigma associated with non-ABA acreditation in the profession, so it is probably much more difficult to get a job if your school was not accredited. Good luck. Ronza In a message dated 8/5/2011 3:56:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net writes: I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance learning and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a quality legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone there are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the legal field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. My possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend what I have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional law school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it with present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to how people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is still possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. Occasionally, someone will still do this. On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in a conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I found this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I interviewed with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they have a few blind students attending their program and they have made attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While this is late I hope this helps. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend law school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the standard carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning this method? Sincerely, RJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com From paulharpur at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 13:04:33 2011 From: paulharpur at gmail.com (Paul Harpur) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 23:04:33 +1000 Subject: [blindlaw] Are Their US Lawbooks Available Online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cc5370$3bdf8a50$b39e9ef0$@com> Perhaps www.bookshare.org not sure what is on there. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier Sent: Friday, 5 August 2011 6:15 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Are Their US Lawbooks Available Online Hi all, Can anyone tell me if there is any way of obtaining us law books online? I'm interested in constitutional law, contract, insurance and administrative law. Major text books would be especially helpful. Thanks, Ger _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail .com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 13:34:59 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:34:59 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Are Their US Lawbooks Available Online In-Reply-To: <000001cc5370$3bdf8a50$b39e9ef0$@com> References: <000001cc5370$3bdf8a50$b39e9ef0$@com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Thanks, I'm afraid I can't access it as I'm not resident in the US. The best I've found so far is www.gigle.ws. G On 8/5/11, Paul Harpur wrote: > Perhaps www.bookshare.org not sure what is on there. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier > Sent: Friday, 5 August 2011 6:15 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] Are Their US Lawbooks Available Online > > Hi all, > > Can anyone tell me if there is any way of obtaining us law books online? > I'm interested in constitutional law, contract, insurance and > administrative law. > Major text books would be especially helpful. > > Thanks, > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 13:35:40 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 07:35:40 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Message-ID: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Fri Aug 5 13:50:20 2011 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:50:20 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I doubt you can remedy these issues. You just have to politely tell them to pound sand. . . ------------------------------------------- Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergo uld.com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 13:54:31 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:54:31 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Beth, Basically tell them to get lost. They can have no legal power to stop you marrying - assuming, you're both over 18. If you've explained your position to them without success then perhaps you could get a third party to talk to them? However, if that fails I really don't see what else you can or should do. G On 8/5/11, Beth wrote: > Hi, guys. > I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on > with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current > boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are > both totally blind, we would > 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. > 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've > both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of > months ago. > 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are > Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a > sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How > should we deal with them? Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Aug 5 15:27:04 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:27:04 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Seattle Public Schools - Assistant General Counsel position opening Message-ID: Link: http://agency.governmentjobs.com/seattleschools/default.cfm?action=viewJob&jobID=350692&hit_count=yes&headerFooter=1&promo=0&transfer=0&WDDXJobSearchParams=%3CwddxPacket%20version%3D%271%2E0%27%3E%3Cheader%2F%3E%3Cdata%3E%3Cstruct%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27FIND%5FKEYWORD%27%3E%3Cstring%3E%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27CATEGORYID%27%3E%3Cstring%3E1%2C130%2C46%2C52%2C15%2C18%2C19%2C20%2C112%2C149%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27TRANSFER%27%3E%3Cstring%3E0%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3Cvar%20name%3D%27PROMOTIONALJOBS%27%3E%3Cstring%3E0%3C%2Fstring%3E%3C%2Fvar%3E%3C%2Fstruct%3E%3C%2Fdata%3E%3C%2FwddxPacket%3E Text: Job Title: Assistant General Counsel 1.0 FTE 2.0 John Stanford Center for Educational Excellence Closing Date/Time: Continuous Salary: $74,859.00 - $103,397.00 Annually Job Type: Full-Time Location: John Stanford Center for Educational Excellence, Washington Required Attachments: Cover letter and Resume Print Job Information | Apply Description Benefits Supplemental Questions This position's responsibilities are to act as legal counsel and adviser for assigned management and administrators to ensure maximum protection of the district's legal rights. Position reports to: General Counsel Essential Functions: 1. Provides oral and written advice and counsel on general education matters, including professional interpretations and recommendations to assigned management, administrators and their staff in order to prevent and/or respond to complaints and suits, to plan preventive measures, and to serve as a legal resource for decisions affecting policies and procedures; acts as an adviser in meetings, to assist in management decision-making to ensure protection of the district's legal rights. Substantive areas of involvement may include advanced learning, alternative learning, curriculum, English Language Learners and International Education. (15% of the time) 2. Participates in a variety of Special Education matters, including IDEA, Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act and their implementing regulations, federal and state laws governing students with disabilities; advises management on how to protect the rights of the District; leads or conducts investigations; researches issues, incidents, laws, documents and records; prepares and represents the District in litigation, administrative hearings and similar actions, and manages outside counsel. (35% of the time) 3. Participates in a variety of Employment matters, including labor contract rights, employment actions, civil rights, American Disability Act, Fair Labor Standards Act, fair labor practices; advises management on how to protect rights of the District; leads or conducts investigations; researches issues, incidents, laws, documents and records; prepares and represents the District in litigation, administrative hearings and similar actions, and manages outside counsel. (20% of the time) 4. Writes and reviews written policies and procedures; develops and reviews contracts and provisions; writes responses to and verbally responds to requests for legal advice on a wide variety of special education and employment issues; provides interpretation of written policies and district practices to ensure proper application. (10% of the time) 5. Supervises and works as a team with assigned legal office staff and outside contracted staff to respond to legal inquiries and to prepare for legal actions; supervises and evaluates legal secretary or legal assistant(s), as assigned. (5% of the time) 6. Provides on-going training to management and administrators on legal issues, laws and best practices of a wide-range of subjects within area of assignment; identifies areas of concern that need to be shared with a broader audience, which may include acting as a staff development instructor for classes or giving presentations to groups within a department or division. (5% of the time) 7. Serves on committees; attends meetings; makes presentations and conducts training. (5% of the time) 8. Maintains knowledge of current trends in laws, affecting area of assignment and public employers; participates in training to enhance professional skills; coordinates with outside agencies to establish working relationships with other professionals engaged in legal arenas of interest to the area of assignment. (5% of the time) Other Functions: Performs related duties consistent with the scope and intent of the position. _______________________________________________________________________ Minimum Qualifications: Education: J.D. or L.L.M. Degree Preferred Years of Experience: 2 (two) years. Required Testing: Certificates & Licenses: Member in good standing of the Washington State Bar Association; valid Washington State driver's license or evidence of equivalent mobility. Continuing Education/Training: 45 hours of continuing education every three years. Clearances: Criminal Justice Fingerprint Background Clearance REQUIRED DISTRICT-WIDE CORE COMPETENCIES: Collaboration Is seen as a team player who encourages efficient and effective collaborations. Works skillfully in difficult situations with both internal and external groups. Represents his/her own interests while being open-minded to other groups. Builds respectful and productive relationships internally and externally Getting Results (Action Oriented) Demonstrates a strong sense of urgency about solving problems and getting work done. Focuses on achieving the goal even in the face of obstacles. Assumes responsibility for starting and finishing work with minimal supervision. Strives for new levels of performance. Decision Quality & Problem Solving Weighs the consequences of options before making a decision. Applies appropriate criteria to situations for the purpose of making decisions. Displays self-confidence in own judgment. Focuses in the facts and solutions instead of opinions and problems. Integrity Deals with people and situations in an honest and forthright manner. Represents information and data accurately and completely. Represents the confidentiality of information and concerns shared by others. Takes ownership if a mistake is their own and does not blame others. Accountability Takes responsibility and action as if the risks (financial or otherwise) are his or her own. Holds individuals and team accountable for their actions and results. Initiates action even if outcome is uncertain and is willing to accept the consequences of failure. Aligns own activities and priorities to meet broader organizational needs. Demonstrates courage and confidence in his or her own ability. REQUIRED JOB SPECIFIC COMPETENCIES: Litigation/Arbitration: Incumbents are expected to have expertise representing the District in litigation, arbitrations and other adversarial matters, and to manage and direct outside counsel. Manage all aspects of case preparation and presentation for assigned matters. Negotiation Skills: expertise in negotiation and resolution of disputes of all types, to achieve both immediate goals, including financial goals, and long term policy objectives of the District. Team work: As assigned, participate in staff projects for resolution of complex processes, bringing together disparate departments to identify, agree upon, plan, develop processes and implement steps to achieve common goals. Required Knowledge, Skills and Abilities Knowledge of: school, employment, labor, and contract law; current trends and related laws and regulations that affect Washington public schools, Washington public employers, or similar local government organizations; collaborative problem-solving and teamwork methods; research and investigative methods. Skills in: oral and written communications; team building; problem-solving; time management; risk identification and minimization; research and analysis. Abilities to: facilitate group discussions; advise and counsel management and administrators; supervises staff and work as a team; motivate and influence others and team processes; effectively represent the General Counsel's Office; develop and assist with developing legal strategies in support of District hiring and employment practices and related areas; evaluate legal issues and recommend appropriate courses of action; take individual initiative; accept responsibility and be held accountable; coordinate multiple activities simultaneously; establish and maintain effective working relationships with District management, administrators and staff, students, parents or guardians, outside agencies, union representatives, and the public in a multicultural community. PHYSICAL DEMANDS OF ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS / TASKS: Please check all that apply. Never Seldom 1-10% or 0-1 hour/day Occasional 11-33% or 1-3 hours/day Frequent 34-66% or 3-6 hours/day Constant 67-100% or 7-8 hours/day Sit X Stand / Walk X Keyboard (use a computer) X Twist / Reach X Bend / Stoop X Squat / Kneel X Crawl X Climb (ladder/stairs) X Lift / Push / Carry (10 lbs) X Conditions/Disclaimers: The above statements are intended to describe the general nature and level of work being performed by those assigned to this position and are not to be construed as an exhaustive list of all responsibilities, duties and skills. Employees may be required to perform duties outside of their normal responsibilities from time to time as needed. District employees are not authorized to make promises of employment for a particular period of time, or promises of a particular level of compensation or benefits to job applicants for certified or classified positions, and that any such agreement must be in writing and signed by the Superintendent. Any verbal or written statements to that effect by District employees other than the Superintendent are null and void. Additionally, nothing in this job description restricts management's right to assign or reassign duties and responsibilities to this job at any time. Benefits A position that is a 0.5 FTE position or greater is eligible for District benefit plans, including medical, dental, vision, life and disability insurance, and flexible spending plans. District contribution to benefit coverage is prorated by FTE, .5 and above. Enrollment is not automatic. In order to participate, a person must complete and submit enrollment forms within 30 days of hire. Information regarding benefits is available on the Benefits Website at www.ourpasswordpage.com (password is "sps") or by calling the Benefits Helpline at (206) 957-7066. It is the individual's responsibility to enroll in a timely fashion, and failure to do so will result in coverage being waived for the remainder of the plan year. Supplemental Questions There are no supplemental questions for this posting. From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Fri Aug 5 16:11:49 2011 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:11:49 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C09@tiger> I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 5 16:40:42 2011 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:40:42 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: <7a308.536747d0.3b6d286d@aol.com> References: <7a308.536747d0.3b6d286d@aol.com> Message-ID: yes, if someone atteneds one of these schools they either need to plan to practice in California or else not be concerned about working for a top firm. Usually there are additional requirements for someone to sit for a bar exam in another state when they haven't attended an ABA accredited law school. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning >I think one of the major challenges with attending an online law school is > ABA acreditation. Several of the California law schools that are distance > learning programs are not ABA accredited, and the only state, I believe, > that allows Bar licensure from non-ABA accredited schools is California. > The > problem exists when the graduate wants to either sit for another State Bar > Exam, and they are not permitted to do so or tries to get a job (even > with > California Bar Licensure) and the employer requires ABA acreditation from > the applicant's law school. Added to that, there is still a great deal > of > negative stigma associated with non-ABA acreditation in the profession, > so > it is probably much more difficult to get a job if your school was not > accredited. > > Good luck. > Ronza > > > > In a message dated 8/5/2011 3:56:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ckrugman at sbcglobal.net writes: > > I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance > learning > and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and > students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a > quality > legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone > there > are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for > considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the > legal > field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. > My > possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend > what > I > have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is > considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete > traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am > not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional > law > school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it > with > present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in > the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to > how > people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is > still > possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under > the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. > Occasionally, someone will still do this. > On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those > being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in > a > conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I > found > this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I > interviewed > with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is > sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be > receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they > have a few blind students attending their program and they have made > attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While > this > is late I hope this helps. > Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > > In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via > distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance > learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend > law > school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the > standard > carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning > this method? Sincerely, RJ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 16:57:39 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:57:39 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C09@tiger> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C09@tiger> Message-ID: David's advice is good. Let's be honest about it, those attitudes were probably pretty widespread in Europe/ the US 50 years ago and aren't entirely gone yet. Also, think of what life would be like if one were blind in say Somalia? Do I need to say any more? I've met a couple of extreme Christian types who'd probably derive similar attitudes about blindness. Fortunately, I didn't need to interact much. On 8/5/11, Hyde, David W. (ESC) wrote: > I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, > blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, > if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of > the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be > pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as > recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be > no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some > someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, > and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. > > Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There > are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, > ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. > If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you > can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Beth > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] some questions > > Hi, guys. > I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people > who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They > state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good > parents or are not fit to be parents. > 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both > graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. > 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so > they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of > discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with > them? Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Fri Aug 5 17:28:39 2011 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:28:39 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <996B9D8EA5EA414EA04A7FDCFCB16C73@victory2> Hi Beth: There is no law, especially since slavery was abolished around 1865, and the Civil Rights Act became the law of the land in 1964, that prohibits you from marrying whomsoever you choose. The choice is yours to make: You can pander to the dictates of the folks bugging you, or you can move on and marry the individual you're in love with. What may likely happen is that these folks won't show up at your wedding. The question you should ask yourself is how important their presence at your wedding would be. Hence, as an adult that's capable of making choices, the sky remains your limit! Wishing you the very best. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Fri Aug 5 17:30:54 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:30:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <996B9D8EA5EA414EA04A7FDCFCB16C73@victory2> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> <996B9D8EA5EA414EA04A7FDCFCB16C73@victory2> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D805AC9E4@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> I agree. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:29 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions Hi Beth: There is no law, especially since slavery was abolished around 1865, and the Civil Rights Act became the law of the land in 1964, that prohibits you from marrying whomsoever you choose. The choice is yours to make: You can pander to the dictates of the folks bugging you, or you can move on and marry the individual you're in love with. What may likely happen is that these folks won't show up at your wedding. The question you should ask yourself is how important their presence at your wedding would be. Hence, as an adult that's capable of making choices, the sky remains your limit! Wishing you the very best. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs.gov From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Fri Aug 5 17:32:56 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:32:56 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D805AC9E7@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> These do sound like ignorant people. I do wish you success. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs.gov From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Fri Aug 5 17:45:26 2011 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:45:26 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C09@tiger> Message-ID: <90AA27D450794BFCB9622D47D4B4A7F8@victory2> Hello David: Attitudes are what any person chooses to make of them! The Somalian guy lives here in the United States; he is MOST LIKELY not returning to Somalia anytime soon. Beth, on the other hand, knows why she fell in love with him and wants to marry him. I've been around Americans opposed to blind men marrying sighted women and vice versa; but they were in love, and nothing could stop them! The ones I know are all still happily married. In essence, it is up to Beth to ask her man as many questions about his culture as she deems fit. If the man gives satisfactory answers that she can live with, then she can weigh her options and make her own choices, and her man can do the same. Truthfully, if blindness is viewed favorably here in the United States, there won't be more than 70% underr-employment or lack of employment amongst the blind. All the software you and me use WILL BE COMPLETELY ACCESSIBLE straight out of the box and we won't need to pay hefty sums for scripts or set files. In fact, there will be NO NEED for the ADA! Love is NOT A RELIGION; nor is it religious! It is two people believing that they have much in common and want to live together and share it. Let's either wish them well, or stare clear! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Aug 5 18:28:08 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:28:08 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FSU Complaint (3).doc Message-ID: Blindlaw listers: The attach is the complaint filed against Florida State University in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Florida on behalf of two students under ADA Title II and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act. I thought members of this list might find this of great interest. Noel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FSU Complaint (3).doc Type: application/msword Size: 183296 bytes Desc: FSU Complaint (3).doc URL: From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 19:20:03 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:20:03 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <90AA27D450794BFCB9622D47D4B4A7F8@victory2> References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C09@tiger> <90AA27D450794BFCB9622D47D4B4A7F8@victory2> Message-ID: Hey, thanks for the advice, guys. I'm really going to have to tell these guys, "Either you guys adapt to the attitudes we have about blindness and at least don't interfere with me and Deq (my man) or get lost." I also have the opinion of two people including the local imam who believe I can do things on my own. I mean, heck I'm going to college and so is my man. My other person is a sister who believes in me a lot. She pushes me as hard as a boulder, but she herself is a rock I can rely on. Beth On 8/5/11, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote: > Hello David: > > Attitudes are what any person chooses to make of them! The Somalian guy > lives here in the United States; he is MOST LIKELY not returning to Somalia > anytime soon. Beth, on the other hand, knows why she fell in love with him > and wants to marry him. > > I've been around Americans opposed to blind men marrying sighted women and > vice versa; but they were in love, and nothing could stop them! The ones I > know are all still happily married. > > In essence, it is up to Beth to ask her man as many questions about his > culture as she deems fit. If the man gives satisfactory answers that she > can live with, then she can weigh her options and make her own choices, and > her man can do the same. > > Truthfully, if blindness is viewed favorably here in the United States, > there won't be more than 70% underr-employment or lack of employment amongst > the blind. All the software you and me use WILL BE COMPLETELY ACCESSIBLE > straight out of the box and we won't need to pay hefty sums for scripts or > set files. In fact, there will be NO NEED for the ADA! > > Love is NOT A RELIGION; nor is it religious! It is two people believing > that they have much in common and want to live together and share it. Let's > either wish them well, or stare clear! > > Sincerely, > Olusegun > Denver, Colorado > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Aug 5 20:01:09 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:01:09 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] EEO Specialist (Complaints), DOJ position opening, application deadline August 19, 2011 Message-ID: Link: http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/gs11-12eeospecialistcomplaints.htm Text: EEO Specialist (Complaints) EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY STAFF JUSTICE MANAGEMENT DIVISION U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE GS-905-11/12 About the Office: The Justice Management Division (JMD) Equal Employment Opportunity Staff (EEOS) is responsible for developing policy, methods, and procedures for the implementation of the EEO program throughout the Department of Justice. EEOS provides advice, technical assistance, and support to management officials and bureau EEO personnel. Additionally, EEOS maintains the integrity of EEO programs by monitoring and evaluating the effectiveness of EEO officials and their programs. Responsibilities and Opportunity Offered: This position offers a unique opportunity for an individual committed to providing a focused EEO program that ensures equality in the workplace. The EEO Specialist (Complaints), working directly for JMD EEOS Assistant Director for Complaints, will actively advance the policies, procedures, and programs concerning EEO, specifically the EEO Complaint Process. Specific duties include: Develops and effectively recommends policies and establishes internal operating procedures to address highly complex EEO issues and processes. Prepares case analysis in response to grievances and complaints. 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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 20:41:34 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:41:34 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions References: <4e3bf1b6.4e592a0a.2f41.ffffc70c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Beth, the NFB law division does not have the time or the resources to deal with some one's colture ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: [blindlaw] some questions > Hi, guys. > I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people > who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They > state that because we are both totally blind, we would > 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. > 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both > graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. > 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so > they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of > discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with > them? Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From garymelc at msn.com Fri Aug 5 21:02:10 2011 From: garymelc at msn.com (gary melconian) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:02:10 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: References: <7a308.536747d0.3b6d286d@aol.com> Message-ID: You can get around this from my research after doing eh jd program and sitting for bar after either 5 years of practice in ca which would allow for practice in other states or the other route is to get a llm which ais an ABA accrediated program which can be done on line i found a few that will allow for this so that is the alternatives to the person wanting to practicein in CA and in other states as well. I hope this helps . Sincerely Yours: Gary Melconian, MBA, CPa and JD candidates Mobile : 818-731-3949 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:41 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning yes, if someone atteneds one of these schools they either need to plan to practice in California or else not be concerned about working for a top firm. Usually there are additional requirements for someone to sit for a bar exam in another state when they haven't attended an ABA accredited law school. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning >I think one of the major challenges with attending an online law school is > ABA acreditation. Several of the California law schools that are distance > learning programs are not ABA accredited, and the only state, I believe, > that allows Bar licensure from non-ABA accredited schools is California. > The > problem exists when the graduate wants to either sit for another State Bar > Exam, and they are not permitted to do so or tries to get a job (even > with > California Bar Licensure) and the employer requires ABA acreditation from > the applicant's law school. Added to that, there is still a great deal > of > negative stigma associated with non-ABA acreditation in the profession, > so > it is probably much more difficult to get a job if your school was not > accredited. > > Good luck. > Ronza > > > > In a message dated 8/5/2011 3:56:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ckrugman at sbcglobal.net writes: > > I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance > learning > and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and > students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a > quality > legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone > there > are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for > considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the > legal > field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. > My > possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend > what > I > have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is > considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete > traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am > not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional > law > school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it > with > present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in > the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to > how > people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is > still > possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under > the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. > Occasionally, someone will still do this. > On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those > being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in > a > conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I > found > this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I > interviewed > with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is > sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be > receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they > have a few blind students attending their program and they have made > attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While > this > is late I hope this helps. > Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > > In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via > distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance > learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend > law > school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the > standard > carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning > this method? Sincerely, RJ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob al.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob al.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com From klkhb at comcast.net Fri Aug 5 22:47:40 2011 From: klkhb at comcast.net (KLKHB@comcast.net) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:47:40 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning References: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn> <493294E088BD4403BB03A9B01DDA9124@spike> Message-ID: <305101EC4FD14C60A9329AD3F150070B@30103043IASLap> Hi Chuck, thanks for writing in detail about the relative merits and demerits of online law studies. Could you please give me the name of the law school you mention at the end of the post? I would like to email the person you spoke to further inquire about the possibility of law studies at their college? Sincerely, Sushil Oswal ---- Original Message ----- From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance learning and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a quality legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone there are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the legal field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. My possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend what I have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional law school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it with present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to how people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is still possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. Occasionally, someone will still do this. On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in a conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I found this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I interviewed with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they have a few blind students attending their program and they have made attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While this is late I hope this helps. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend law school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the standard carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning this method? Sincerely, RJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/klkhb%40comcast.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 23:30:48 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 17:30:48 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Message-ID: <4e3c7d33.c926440a.78e0.1d77@mx.google.com> David, My boyfriend's parents have been dead in Somalia sadly for some years, but his uncle has the best attitude I've seen about blindness: why would the rest of your body work if your eyes didn't? So what if your eyes don't work? The resft of your boddy does. At least that's the attitudde he has about his own nephew and me. His wife, the uncle's wife, and daughters are very kind to me and enjoy hanging out with me and my roommate, who is sighted nd a very strong supporter of my being independent, though she can be a bit of a pushy and demanding subject of jy attention. But whatever. Thanks, and like I said in a previous e-mail, the imam in the local mosque and another sister are strong supporters of me. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hyde, David W. (ESC)" As far as Christians go, you're right, G. I've met Christians who said, "You need healed and new eyes." Give me a break! And they believed that blindness was a thing to be pitied. But that's a whole other subject I've spoken about on the faith list because most of the peoples on the list are Christians. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerard Sadlier wrote: I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.h yde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard. sadlier%40gmail.com -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theblue sisloose%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 23:30:55 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 17:30:55 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Message-ID: <4e3c7d3a.c926440a.78e0.1d7c@mx.google.com> Good words, Olusegun. I'd like to know more about your practice in enver, btw. Interesting. Beth P.S. I liked the last bits about love not being a religion. And the first bits about software? Geez, I want a Mac, NOW! lol, Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." Thank you. I appreciate that. I don't think these poor devils have to show up at the wedding. I'd rather just have four Saudis at my wedding or a few women I know show up. I don't know, but I'd let all the lists know. Thankss a bnch. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." Thank you. You don't have to thank me. I'll be thinking about you all's advice as I continue on the journey. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)" References: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn> <493294E088BD4403BB03A9B01DDA9124@spike> <305101EC4FD14C60A9329AD3F150070B@30103043IASLap> Message-ID: Hello I am not chuck but I can help you as well. It is http://www.nwculaw.edu/ . I have been in contact with a student who is blind who attends that law school and I am also considering it for the future. I am in the areas of tax and accounting and finance . I don't think at the age of 40 it would be practicle for me to go through the headaches of LSAT and the headaches of law school and not being able to work while attending a traditional law school and acquiring lots of loans in the process and not being sure if I will be able to match the amount of dollars spent for law school versus the amount of dollars invested in the field. Also the competitive nature of looking for work in the area of law with younger folks then myself. I am using jd to advance my career in my chosen field of accounting, finance, tax and financial planning which would be better utilized with a jd and law license. I also plan on looking at the LLm which would give me credibility in the eyes of the ABA in which my view you don't need a crediting body to tell you are the best at what you do just do it to the best and you will be happy in what you do and how well you do it. Being in my field in which a lot of people tell me ai don't belong since i am a low vision person in a fieled that has lots of sighted competitors but I prove them wrong every day. So take a look at the link that I have posted in the email and i hope this helps you out. Sincerely Yours: Gary Melconian, MBA, CPA, and JD candidates Mobile: 818-731-3949 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KLKHB at comcast.net Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:48 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning Hi Chuck, thanks for writing in detail about the relative merits and demerits of online law studies. Could you please give me the name of the law school you mention at the end of the post? I would like to email the person you spoke to further inquire about the possibility of law studies at their college? Sincerely, Sushil Oswal ---- Original Message ----- From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance learning and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a quality legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone there are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the legal field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. My possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend what I have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional law school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it with present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to how people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is still possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. Occasionally, someone will still do this. On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in a conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I found this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I interviewed with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they have a few blind students attending their program and they have made attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While this is late I hope this helps. Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend law school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the standard carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning this method? Sincerely, RJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob al.net > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/klkhb%40comcast.ne t _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 00:28:17 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:28:17 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] apologies, but interesting lead in Message-ID: <4e3c8aac.4e4ae70a.1635.6414@mx.google.com> I want to thank all of you who answered my questions about the dude's culture. Let me say why this is and why I bothered talking about it. I was wondering where in any Islamic law or jurisprudence (if anybody's studied it) it says that blind people are needy and must receive charity and can never rise above being beggars and such like. There are many different forms of law. Btw, I'd like to be a paralegal if I can't get a job that's steady in the social work business. Thanks. Beth From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 6 04:16:35 2011 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:16:35 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: References: <7a308.536747d0.3b6d286d@aol.com> Message-ID: it definitely isn't impossible. there are always work arounds if one wants to take the time. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary melconian" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > You can get around this from my research after doing eh jd program and > sitting for bar after either 5 years of practice in ca which would allow > for > practice in other states or the other route is to get a llm which ais an > ABA > accrediated program which can be done on line i found a few that will > allow > for this so that is the alternatives to the person wanting to practicein > in > CA and in other states as well. I hope this helps . > Sincerely Yours: > Gary Melconian, MBA, CPa and JD candidates > Mobile : 818-731-3949 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:41 AM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > yes, if someone atteneds one of these schools they either need to plan to > practice in California or else not be concerned about working for a top > firm. Usually there are additional requirements for someone to sit for a > bar > > exam in another state when they haven't attended an ABA accredited law > school. > Chuck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:05 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > >>I think one of the major challenges with attending an online law school is >> ABA acreditation. Several of the California law schools that are >> distance >> learning programs are not ABA accredited, and the only state, I believe, >> that allows Bar licensure from non-ABA accredited schools is California. >> The >> problem exists when the graduate wants to either sit for another State >> Bar >> Exam, and they are not permitted to do so or tries to get a job (even >> with >> California Bar Licensure) and the employer requires ABA acreditation >> from >> the applicant's law school. Added to that, there is still a great deal >> of >> negative stigma associated with non-ABA acreditation in the profession, >> so >> it is probably much more difficult to get a job if your school was not >> accredited. >> >> Good luck. >> Ronza >> >> >> >> In a message dated 8/5/2011 3:56:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> ckrugman at sbcglobal.net writes: >> >> I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance >> learning >> and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and >> students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a >> quality >> legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone >> there >> are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for >> considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the >> legal >> field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal >> experience. >> My >> possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend >> what >> I >> have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is >> considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to >> complete >> traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I >> am >> not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional >> law >> school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it >> with >> present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring >> in >> the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to >> how >> people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is >> still >> possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked >> under >> the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. >> Occasionally, someone will still do this. >> On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those >> being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating >> in >> a >> conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I >> found >> this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I >> interviewed >> with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is >> sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to >> be >> receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that >> they >> have a few blind students attending their program and they have made >> attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While >> this >> is late I hope this helps. >> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal >> 1237 P Street >> Fresno ca 93721 >> 559-266-9237 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RJ Sandefur" >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" >> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM >> Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning >> >> >> In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via >> distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance >> learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend >> law >> school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the >> standard >> carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning >> this method? Sincerely, RJ >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob > al.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglob > al.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 6 04:19:13 2011 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:19:13 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: <305101EC4FD14C60A9329AD3F150070B@30103043IASLap> References: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn><493294E088BD4403BB03A9B01DDA9124@spike> <305101EC4FD14C60A9329AD3F150070B@30103043IASLap> Message-ID: the law school is Northwestern California College of Law in Sacramento. If you do a search you should find their web site with contact info on it as I don't have it handy right now. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "KLKHB at comcast.net" To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > Hi Chuck, thanks for writing in detail about the relative merits and > demerits of online law studies. > > Could you please give me the name of the law school you mention at the end > of the post? I would like to email the person you spoke to further > inquire about the possibility of law studies at their college? > > Sincerely, > > Sushil Oswal > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > > I am aware of several law schools in California that offer distance > learning > and on line degrees. There are many requirements both for the schools and > students that enroll in them to insure that students are receiving a > quality > legal education. While distance learning is obviously not for everyone > there > are advantages for many nontraditional students. My rationale for > considering an on line law school is that I already have worked in the > legal > field for many years and have gained a large amount of legal experience. > My > possible interest in obtaining a J.D. degree is to further and extend > what I > have been doing in the legal field. The cost of an on line law school is > considerably less than a traditional program. On line $15,000 to complete > traditional $50,000 plus to complete. At my age being in my mid 50's I am > not willing to incur the personal debt required to attend a traditional > law > school whereas I would be inclined to incur the debt and could cover it > with > present income to attend an on line law school. With changes occurring in > the legal profession today it is necessary for it to be flexible as to > how > people attain their legal training. While it is not widely done it is > still > possible for a person to take the California bar exam having worked under > the tutelage of a lawyer in good standing for a certain period of time. > Occasionally, someone will still do this. > On the other hand there are always drawbacks to distance learning those > being the lack of personal interaction that occurs while participating in > a > conventional setting. When in graduate school and paralegal school I > found > this to be one of the strong points of traditional learning. I > interviewed > with one of the on line schools here in California as a friend who is > sighted is considering attending it. I found this particular school to be > receptive to my attending and the staff that I met with told me that they > have a few blind students attending their program and they have made > attempts to make sure that their on line content is accessible. While > this > is late I hope this helps. > Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:41 AM > Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning > > > In your opinion, Should people be permitted to attend law school via > distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance > learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend > law > school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the > standard > carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning > this method? Sincerely, RJ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/klkhb%40comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From AZNOR99 at aol.com Sat Aug 6 12:13:31 2011 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 08:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Message-ID: <27b27.25faa08b.3b6e89eb@aol.com> David, with all due respect, you're wrong about how Islam perceives the blind and blindness. It isn't the religion or its values that pity the blind, and rather various cultural and political beliefs that perpetuate that stereotype. You said "if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity." As a learned Muslim, I'd like to see direct citations in the Qur'an or Hadeeth that support this position. In fact, Hadeeth point to the blind as often the most learned and wise. Anyone who is economically disadvantaged, orphans, and widows are the categories expressly listed to be considered as charity recipients, when they need it. The notion that the Islamic religion expressly believes what you attribute to it is akin to the notion that any blind American walking down the street should be given a dollar because blind should be pitied and taken care of. Most of us on this list would believe that statement is proposterous, and the same is true anywhere else in the world. Please, check your facts before making such statements. Incidentally, I am personally offended by this depiction. Beth, this is a challenging problem. If you and your partner wish to marry, there is no legal reason that I'm aware of that would prevent you from doing so simply because you are blind - this is the case both hear and in somalia. If he is Muslim and you wish to obtain an Islamic marriage, you'll simply both need to be adults, have the requisite number of witnesses, and have completed any type of pre-marrital counseling and marriage contract negotiations the sheikh and specific mosque require. The fact that you are not Somali is not a factor that can prevent the legal marriage contract from being executed or enforced. However, the reception you get from the community is quite a different thing. Statistically, there are many more Somali women in the world and in the U.S. than Somali men (largely due to the consequences of a civil war and current refugee migration systems that give priority to women and children). It may be that these folks who disapprove of your marriage are simply trying to "look out for their own," if you will, because if your fiance marries you, he won't marry a Somali woman. I'm a bit of a subject matter expert on the Somali diaspora, so feel free to email me off-list if you want to discuss this further. Good luck, and congratulations! Regards, Ronza In a message dated 8/5/2011 12:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com From stiehm.law at juno.com Sun Aug 7 20:08:45 2011 From: stiehm.law at juno.com (Patrick H Stiehm) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:08:45 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] A word of caution concerning attending law school via distance learning Message-ID: <20110807.130942.990.1096510@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Over the last several days this list has had a rather extended conversation concerning considering the option of attending law school via distance learning, and specifically online legal education. Permit me to say first of all, that I think online legal education has a very bright future. It's recognition however, is not going to be realized overnight because of the basic conservatism (some would say extreme conservatism) of the American Bar Association and because the further development of this option is contrary to the self interest of law schools and their faculties. The fact is however, that in California, the largest jurisdiction in the nation, this option exists today. However, even for those who wish to practice in California and/or jump through the other hoops necessary to get licensed elsewhere it is best to thoroughly investigate any school you are considering with respect to the success of its graduates in taking the bar examination. In California you have to investigate both the so-called baby bar which, I understand that you are required to take and pass after your first year in a non-ABA accredited law school as well as the California bar exam itself. I would think twice before enrolling in a school with a very low percentage of its graduates passing the California Bar either on the first or subsequent tries. It is a tragedy to invest the money and time in a legal education where you cannot pass the bar. The only thing you have at the end of that kind of process is a very expensive piece of paper that says JD on it. Stiehm Law Office Alexandria, Virginia 703-722-6030 (Voice) 703-935-8266 (Fax) Web Site: https://sites.google.com/site/stiehmlawoffice/ ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e3ef12ae23b747fe92st02vuc From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 20:29:30 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 21:29:30 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] A word of caution concerning attending law school via distance learning In-Reply-To: <20110807.130942.990.1096510@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20110807.130942.990.1096510@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I think this is good advice. Remember also that if you are looking for a job with a firm afterward, how your school is perceived will have an impact. It probably shouldn't, in principle but the plane truth is that it does. So going to a good school is important if possible. G On 8/7/11, Patrick H Stiehm wrote: > Over the last several days this list has had a rather extended > conversation concerning considering the option of attending law school > via distance learning, and specifically online legal education. Permit me > to say first of all, that I think online legal education has a very > bright future. It's recognition however, is not going to be realized > overnight because of the basic conservatism (some would say extreme > conservatism) of the American Bar Association and because the further > development of this option is contrary to the self interest of law > schools and their faculties. > > The fact is however, that in California, the largest jurisdiction in the > nation, this option exists today. However, even for those who wish to > practice in California and/or jump through the other hoops necessary to > get licensed elsewhere it is best to thoroughly investigate any school > you are considering with respect to the success of its graduates in > taking the bar examination. In California you have to investigate both > the so-called baby bar which, I understand that you are required to take > and pass after your first year in a non-ABA accredited law school as well > as the California bar exam itself. I would think twice before enrolling > in a school with a very low percentage of its graduates passing the > California Bar either on the first or subsequent tries. It is a tragedy > to invest the money and time in a legal education where you cannot pass > the bar. The only thing you have at the end of that kind of process is a > very expensive piece of paper that says JD on it. > > Stiehm Law Office > Alexandria, Virginia > 703-722-6030 (Voice) > 703-935-8266 (Fax) > Web Site: https://sites.google.com/site/stiehmlawoffice/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e3ef12ae23b747fe92st02vuc > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 09:27:14 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 03:27:14 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] update Message-ID: <4e3fac02.cbcde70a.5483.ffff97be@mx.google.com> Hi, guys. Since I have a good legal perspective on the wedding fiasco--I don't know if it'll be a fiasco--I've decided to take some of you all's advice. I've written a letter to the guys responsible for their bad cultural attitudes. I'm not sure if I should send it to anyone for a good editing. Basically, I introduce myself at the beginning, then go into a sort of justification for writing the leetter, like that I want to marry their fellow clansman. Then, I go into the thing about the NFB. Yes, I do mention the NFB. Then, I point out that we've fought and progressed with attitudes about the blind since like the 1800's, whereas they've just NOW gotten schools for the blind in Somalia, which is like 2004. Um, you tell me how behind these people are or what! Then, I told the guys that if they refuse to change their attitudes or at least let Deq off the hook with them, then get out. Leave. I thought David and Daniel's advice was good. I also wanted to point out that the Muslim standpoint doesn't go against the blind--Thanks, Maxwell--and though I consulted my boyfriend, who knows about blind people in Islam who have held high positions and says they know it too--I decided to try a different approach. I mentioned that Somalis haven't quite embraced the inventions used to improve the lives of blind people. I then pointed to Laura Bridgman, though she isn't quite the best example. I pointed out when she attended a school for blind students versus when a Somali notable might have done anything. I pointed out that at least wee know what we're doing. I basically hope that this letter can be sent out, and if you guys have any ideas for perhaps educating the immigrant communities here in Denver about blindness, especially the African Muslims, then please write me privately or on list. Doesn't matter. I thought it would be fun to have a sort of seminar or fieldday made of the whole fiasco so that immigrants would learn about people with handicaps and would not harbor such bad attitudes. Thanks. Beth From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 09:36:41 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:36:41 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] update In-Reply-To: <4e3fac02.cbcde70a.5483.ffff97be@mx.google.com> References: <4e3fac02.cbcde70a.5483.ffff97be@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Dear Beth, I think your intentions are good but I'm not sure how positively such a letter would be received. I think you need to try to find someone these people will respect - a well regarded 3rd party and work through them, to begin with. G On 8/8/11, Beth wrote: > Hi, guys. Since I have a good legal perspective on the wedding > fiasco--I don't know if it'll be a fiasco--I've decided to take > some of you all's advice. I've written a letter to the guys > responsible for their bad cultural attitudes. I'm not sure if I > should send it to anyone for a good editing. Basically, I > introduce myself at the beginning, then go into a sort of > justification for writing the leetter, like that I want to marry > their fellow clansman. Then, I go into the thing about the NFB. > Yes, I do mention the NFB. Then, I point out that we've fought > and progressed with attitudes about the blind since like the > 1800's, whereas they've just NOW gotten schools for the blind in > Somalia, which is like 2004. Um, you tell me how behind these > people are or what! > Then, I told the guys that if they refuse to change their > attitudes or at least let Deq off the hook with them, then get > out. Leave. I thought David and Daniel's advice was good. I > also wanted to point out that the Muslim standpoint doesn't go > against the blind--Thanks, Maxwell--and though I consulted my > boyfriend, who knows about blind people in Islam who have held > high positions and says they know it too--I decided to try a > different approach. I mentioned that Somalis haven't quite > embraced the inventions used to improve the lives of blind > people. I then pointed to Laura Bridgman, though she isn't quite > the best example. I pointed out when she attended a school for > blind students versus when a Somali notable might have done > anything. I pointed out that at least wee know what we're doing. > I basically hope that this letter can be sent out, and if you > guys have any ideas for perhaps educating the immigrant > communities here in Denver about blindness, especially the > African Muslims, then please write me privately or on list. > Doesn't matter. I thought it would be fun to have a sort of > seminar or fieldday made of the whole fiasco so that immigrants > would learn about people with handicaps and would not harbor such > bad attitudes. Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 09:59:36 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 03:59:36 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] update Message-ID: <4e3fb399.4303e70a.2686.ffff9a48@mx.google.com> You're right on that one, G. I am not sure who though will be respected. I know a Somali head of sheikhs or somebody at the local mosque. But I'm not so sure. But thanks. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerard Sadlier wrote: Hi, guys. Since I have a good legal perspective on the wedding fiasco--I don't know if it'll be a fiasco--I've decided to take some of you all's advice. I've written a letter to the guys responsible for their bad cultural attitudes. I'm not sure if I should send it to anyone for a good editing. Basically, I introduce myself at the beginning, then go into a sort of justification for writing the leetter, like that I want to marry their fellow clansman. Then, I go into the thing about the NFB. Yes, I do mention the NFB. Then, I point out that we've fought and progressed with attitudes about the blind since like the 1800's, whereas they've just NOW gotten schools for the blind in Somalia, which is like 2004. Um, you tell me how behind these people are or what! Then, I told the guys that if they refuse to change their attitudes or at least let Deq off the hook with them, then get out. Leave. I thought David and Daniel's advice was good. I also wanted to point out that the Muslim standpoint doesn't go against the blind--Thanks, Maxwell--and though I consulted my boyfriend, who knows about blind people in Islam who have held high positions and says they know it too--I decided to try a different approach. I mentioned that Somalis haven't quite embraced the inventions used to improve the lives of blind people. I then pointed to Laura Bridgman, though she isn't quite the best example. I pointed out when she attended a school for blind students versus when a Somali notable might have done anything. I pointed out that at least wee know what we're doing. I basically hope that this letter can be sent out, and if you guys have any ideas for perhaps educating the immigrant communities here in Denver about blindness, especially the African Muslims, then please write me privately or on list. Doesn't matter. I thought it would be fun to have a sort of seminar or fieldday made of the whole fiasco so that immigrants would learn about people with handicaps and would not harbor such bad attitudes. Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard. sadlier%40gmail.com -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theblue sisloose%40gmail.com From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Mon Aug 8 13:05:26 2011 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 08:05:26 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <27b27.25faa08b.3b6e89eb@aol.com> References: <27b27.25faa08b.3b6e89eb@aol.com> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C0C@tiger> I apologize for the offence, and my misperception. I should know better than to trust my memory of the Holy Koran, rather than doing research first. No offence was intended, I assure you. For those of us who are not learned in the faith of Islam, I am grateful for your correction. Since you are learned in the faith, could you help this lady in her need to convince her prospective in-laws about the ability of blind people? Perhaps what I thought would be an impediment could be a help. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:14 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions David, with all due respect, you're wrong about how Islam perceives the blind and blindness. It isn't the religion or its values that pity the blind, and rather various cultural and political beliefs that perpetuate that stereotype. You said "if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity." As a learned Muslim, I'd like to see direct citations in the Qur'an or Hadeeth that support this position. In fact, Hadeeth point to the blind as often the most learned and wise. Anyone who is economically disadvantaged, orphans, and widows are the categories expressly listed to be considered as charity recipients, when they need it. The notion that the Islamic religion expressly believes what you attribute to it is akin to the notion that any blind American walking down the street should be given a dollar because blind should be pitied and taken care of. Most of us on this list would believe that statement is proposterous, and the same is true anywhere else in the world. Please, check your facts before making such statements. Incidentally, I am personally offended by this depiction. Beth, this is a challenging problem. If you and your partner wish to marry, there is no legal reason that I'm aware of that would prevent you from doing so simply because you are blind - this is the case both hear and in somalia. If he is Muslim and you wish to obtain an Islamic marriage, you'll simply both need to be adults, have the requisite number of witnesses, and have completed any type of pre-marrital counseling and marriage contract negotiations the sheikh and specific mosque require. The fact that you are not Somali is not a factor that can prevent the legal marriage contract from being executed or enforced. However, the reception you get from the community is quite a different thing. Statistically, there are many more Somali women in the world and in the U.S. than Somali men (largely due to the consequences of a civil war and current refugee migration systems that give priority to women and children). It may be that these folks who disapprove of your marriage are simply trying to "look out for their own," if you will, because if your fiance marries you, he won't marry a Somali woman. I'm a bit of a subject matter expert on the Somali diaspora, so feel free to email me off-list if you want to discuss this further. Good luck, and congratulations! Regards, Ronza In a message dated 8/5/2011 12:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 17:31:03 2011 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM Message-ID: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online j.d.'s. Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University (which if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? For those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional classroom or is distance learning a viable option? Thanks. Mike From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Mon Aug 8 17:40:55 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:40:55 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] online LLM In-Reply-To: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D805ACDF0@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> I would be pleased to discuss my experience. I did recently complete my L.L.M. at Am. U. Washington College of Law. I did my L.L.M. in the "traditional" classroom. Despite that there are more and more schools with on-line degrees, including entire legal educational courses of study or classes thereof, my sense is that law schools are concerned about "on-line learning." When I commenced my L.L.M., and now as an alumnus, I have suggested on-line class attendance options. Regarding increasing on-line course options or programs, an obsticle that law schools may confront is ABA accreditation. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gilmore Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:31 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online j.d.'s. Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University (which if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? For those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional classroom or is distance learning a viable option? Thanks. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs.gov From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 17:43:12 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:43:12 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM In-Reply-To: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Boston has an extremely good rep. I studied in Ireland and the UK, which is different. I guess it depend's on where you're at in your career, you might not be able to spend the time in a class room context. G On 8/8/11, Mike Gilmore wrote: > I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online j.d.'s. > Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking > about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer > online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University (which > if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in > general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? For > those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional > classroom or is distance learning a viable option? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From dandrews at visi.com Mon Aug 8 18:04:53 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:04:53 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Associated Press: Legally blind Vt. law student wins 1st big case Message-ID: > > >Legally blind Vt. law student wins 1st big case >Published August 07, 2011 >| Associated Press > > >MIDDLESEX, Vt. - Deanna Jones, a third-year law student who's legally blind >and learning disabled, has won her first big court case: her own. > >Jones sued the National Conference of Bar Examiners in July, accusing it of >violating the Americans With Disabilities Act by refusing to let her take a >key legal ethics exam using a computer with screen access software that she >has used to read in college and in law school. > >Armed with a federal judge's order, she was able to take the test Friday, >closely watched by a proctor, test supervisor and someone from the ACT, Inc. >testing company, she said. > >"I think I did OK," she said. "I left feeling like I probably passed it." > >Jones, who attends Vermont Law School with hopes of practicing disability >law, needs the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam to practice in >Vermont. The NCBE fought her request and plans to appeal, saying the >security of its pencil-and-paper test could be jeopardized if taken >electronically. The organization had offered instead to have someone read >the test to Jones, to let her take the test in Braille, in enlarged print, >and use an audio CD. > >But a judge ruled Tuesday that the examiners had to provide her a laptop >equipped with the special software. Jones said she was "just emotionally >overcome" when she finally sat down for the exam. > >"I just sort of broke into a fit of bawling for a moment," she said Friday >afternoon, after nearly six hours of testing. "It was unbelievable to me >what it had taken just to be able to sit in that chair," she said. > >Dan Goldstein, a Baltimore-based lawyer for Jones and the National >Federation of the Blind, said he's been involved with four other similar >cases, three of which have been successful, resulting in preliminary >injunctive relief. The federation paid Jones' legal bills. > >Her lawyer, Emily Joselson of Middlebury, said federal disability rules and >laws require that examiners "provide the accommodations that best ensure >that the test taker's results on the exam will reflect the substantive >knowledge that's being tested and not their disabilities." > >U.S. District Court Judge Christina Reiss said in a 26-page decision that >"reasonable accommodations" for Jones were not enough and without the laptop >and software Jones had requested "the MPRE will primarily test her ability >to work through her disabilities and that she will not be able to compete on >an equal basis with non-disabled test takers." > >NCBE, based in Madison, Wis., did not return a phone call seeking comment. >Court papers show the nonprofit corporation is seeking to withhold Jones' >score. > >Reiss questioned NCBE's priorities. > >"The public interest compels the court to order accommodations that will >best ensure a disabled person's access to a professional exam that will, in >part, determine whether he or she may practice a chosen profession," she >wrote. > >"The public's interest in the integrity of secure, professional licensing >exams while important and legitimate does not trump the ADA," Reiss wrote. > >Jones' disabilities have long been tested. Legally blind since she was 5 and >not diagnosed with a learning disability until she was in her 30s, Jones >described her public school years in Hightstown, N.J., as a "rough ride." > >What got her through? "My mom," she said. > >I'd come home from a school a mess, you know, just crying at the table," she >said. > >Her mother, Elaine Jones, would get her organized and help her through the >work. > >But Jones dropped out of college after high school with a GPA of .92 after >one year. > >She went on to start a record store and later to run the food service at the >Statehouse in Montpelier. > >In her 30s, everything changed. She learned that in addition to macular >degeneration in each eye - depriving her of centralized vision and >preventing her from seeing anything other than peripheral objects - she also >had atypical retinitis pigmentosa, eyesight-threatening damage to her retina >that causes loss of peripheral vision. > >"What's important about that is that meant I wasn't just going to lose my >central vision, I was going to lose all of my vision," she said at her >Middlesex home. > >She also discovered that she had a learning disability. > >In early 2000, Jones learned about the computer software programs that >allowed her to read and return to college: The ZoomText Magnifier/Reader, >which magnifies text, and Kurzweil 3000 screen reader, which reads the text >aloud and highlights sentences and words that she can follow with a cursor. > >Until then the only book she'd gotten through was a large-print edition of >"The Diary of Anne Frank," which she used for every book report she wrote. > >"So when I got to Vermont College with this particular software and I could >scan any book in the world and read it. It was just unbelievable. > >"It was the first time in my life I was able to read books and it just >opened up the whole world," she said, with tears welling in her eyes. "It >was so amazing." > >She read literature classics - "Moby Dick," ''The Great Gatsby," and "Anna >Karenina" as well as psychology and books in myriad subjects, enough for her >to get a liberal arts degree. > >"I couldn't read until I was in my 30s. It's a big deal," she said. > >While she was an undergraduate, she studied the Americans with Disabilities >Act, rekindling her childhood dream of going to law school, she said. > >She's not sure exactly what she'll do as a lawyer. She thinks about working >with colleges and professional schools, giving sensitivity training about >people with disabilities and how to accommodate them. > >For now, she expects another fight next year when she takes the Vermont bar >exam - which also comes without technology. She hasn't yet inquired about >special accommodations to take that test. > >So far, she's got the grades to prove her success. > >"I have a 3.28 GPA. And if I get a 3.5 by next semester or even in the >following semester, I can graduate cum laude. And I am dying to graduate cum >laude," she said. > > >Read more: >big-case/#ixzz1URD5pUrN> >http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/07/legally-blind-vt-law-student-wins-1st-b >ig-case/#ixzz1URD5pUrN From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Mon Aug 8 18:15:09 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 14:15:09 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Associated Press: Legally blind Vt. law student wins 1st big case In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D805ACE37@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> You go girl. Congratulations to the legal team. Shame on the NCBE. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 2:05 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Associated Press: Legally blind Vt. law student wins 1st big case > > >Legally blind Vt. law student wins 1st big case >Published August 07, 2011 >| Associated Press > > >MIDDLESEX, Vt. - Deanna Jones, a third-year law student who's legally blind >and learning disabled, has won her first big court case: her own. > >Jones sued the National Conference of Bar Examiners in July, accusing it of >violating the Americans With Disabilities Act by refusing to let her take a >key legal ethics exam using a computer with screen access software that she >has used to read in college and in law school. > >Armed with a federal judge's order, she was able to take the test Friday, >closely watched by a proctor, test supervisor and someone from the ACT, Inc. >testing company, she said. > >"I think I did OK," she said. "I left feeling like I probably passed it." > >Jones, who attends Vermont Law School with hopes of practicing disability >law, needs the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam to practice in >Vermont. The NCBE fought her request and plans to appeal, saying the >security of its pencil-and-paper test could be jeopardized if taken >electronically. The organization had offered instead to have someone read >the test to Jones, to let her take the test in Braille, in enlarged print, >and use an audio CD. > >But a judge ruled Tuesday that the examiners had to provide her a laptop >equipped with the special software. Jones said she was "just emotionally >overcome" when she finally sat down for the exam. > >"I just sort of broke into a fit of bawling for a moment," she said Friday >afternoon, after nearly six hours of testing. "It was unbelievable to me >what it had taken just to be able to sit in that chair," she said. > >Dan Goldstein, a Baltimore-based lawyer for Jones and the National >Federation of the Blind, said he's been involved with four other similar >cases, three of which have been successful, resulting in preliminary >injunctive relief. The federation paid Jones' legal bills. > >Her lawyer, Emily Joselson of Middlebury, said federal disability rules and >laws require that examiners "provide the accommodations that best ensure >that the test taker's results on the exam will reflect the substantive >knowledge that's being tested and not their disabilities." > >U.S. District Court Judge Christina Reiss said in a 26-page decision that >"reasonable accommodations" for Jones were not enough and without the laptop >and software Jones had requested "the MPRE will primarily test her ability >to work through her disabilities and that she will not be able to compete on >an equal basis with non-disabled test takers." > >NCBE, based in Madison, Wis., did not return a phone call seeking comment. >Court papers show the nonprofit corporation is seeking to withhold Jones' >score. > >Reiss questioned NCBE's priorities. > >"The public interest compels the court to order accommodations that will >best ensure a disabled person's access to a professional exam that will, in >part, determine whether he or she may practice a chosen profession," she >wrote. > >"The public's interest in the integrity of secure, professional licensing >exams while important and legitimate does not trump the ADA," Reiss wrote. > >Jones' disabilities have long been tested. Legally blind since she was 5 and >not diagnosed with a learning disability until she was in her 30s, Jones >described her public school years in Hightstown, N.J., as a "rough ride." > >What got her through? "My mom," she said. > >I'd come home from a school a mess, you know, just crying at the table," she >said. > >Her mother, Elaine Jones, would get her organized and help her through the >work. > >But Jones dropped out of college after high school with a GPA of .92 after >one year. > >She went on to start a record store and later to run the food service at the >Statehouse in Montpelier. > >In her 30s, everything changed. She learned that in addition to macular >degeneration in each eye - depriving her of centralized vision and >preventing her from seeing anything other than peripheral objects - she also >had atypical retinitis pigmentosa, eyesight-threatening damage to her retina >that causes loss of peripheral vision. > >"What's important about that is that meant I wasn't just going to lose my >central vision, I was going to lose all of my vision," she said at her >Middlesex home. > >She also discovered that she had a learning disability. > >In early 2000, Jones learned about the computer software programs that >allowed her to read and return to college: The ZoomText Magnifier/Reader, >which magnifies text, and Kurzweil 3000 screen reader, which reads the text >aloud and highlights sentences and words that she can follow with a cursor. > >Until then the only book she'd gotten through was a large-print edition of >"The Diary of Anne Frank," which she used for every book report she wrote. > >"So when I got to Vermont College with this particular software and I could >scan any book in the world and read it. It was just unbelievable. > >"It was the first time in my life I was able to read books and it just >opened up the whole world," she said, with tears welling in her eyes. "It >was so amazing." > >She read literature classics - "Moby Dick," ''The Great Gatsby," and "Anna >Karenina" as well as psychology and books in myriad subjects, enough for her >to get a liberal arts degree. > >"I couldn't read until I was in my 30s. It's a big deal," she said. > >While she was an undergraduate, she studied the Americans with Disabilities >Act, rekindling her childhood dream of going to law school, she said. > >She's not sure exactly what she'll do as a lawyer. She thinks about working >with colleges and professional schools, giving sensitivity training about >people with disabilities and how to accommodate them. > >For now, she expects another fight next year when she takes the Vermont bar >exam - which also comes without technology. She hasn't yet inquired about >special accommodations to take that test. > >So far, she's got the grades to prove her success. > >"I have a 3.28 GPA. And if I get a 3.5 by next semester or even in the >following semester, I can graduate cum laude. And I am dying to graduate cum >laude," she said. > > >Read more: >big-case/#ixzz1URD5pUrN> >http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/07/legally-blind-vt-law-student-wins-1st-b >ig-case/#ixzz1URD5pUrN _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs.gov From rumpole at roadrunner.com Mon Aug 8 21:49:05 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:49:05 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney posting - Northern District Alabama, uncompensated Message-ID: <2489602C15D54AED9A51F6DBCF440A84@none8a46117901> Another uncompensated job posting - this time in Alabama Special Assistant United States Attorney (Serves Without Compensation) United States Attorney's Office Northern District of Alabama Honorable Joyce White Vance Vacancy Announcement Number 11-NDAL-05 All resumes/applications should be postmarked by August 22, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-ndal-05.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From garymelc at msn.com Mon Aug 8 22:15:33 2011 From: garymelc at msn.com (gary melconian) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:15:33 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM In-Reply-To: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Michael, that is true, the online llm's are accrediated by the ABA and that is why they ar popular for that reason, but the Jd is a new relm and so that will take some time forh the folks at the accrediateing body to get their heads around. So find the one you ar interested and go for it, if you ar one of those who can study on your own and don't need a class environment, to get you motivated or performing any other tasks that are involved in acquiring your education on line. I did go for my certifications and I did not regret doing it online.So just do it and you wont regret it. Take care. Sincerely Yours: Gary Melconian, MBA, CPA and JD candidates Mobile: 818-731-3949 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gilmore Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:31 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online j.d.'s. Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University (which if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? For those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional classroom or is distance learning a viable option? Thanks. Mike _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 22:37:09 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:37:09 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68EDEEB495F04BB8AED8E38D055F498D@hometwxakonvzn> I heard you get your LLM after your J.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary melconian" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] online LLM > Hello Michael, that is true, the online llm's are accrediated by the ABA > and > that is why they ar popular for that reason, but the Jd is a new relm > and > so that will take some time forh the folks at the accrediateing body to > get > their heads around. So find the one you ar interested and go for it, if > you > ar one of those who can study on your own and don't need a class > environment, to get you motivated or performing any other tasks that > are > involved in acquiring your education on line. I did go for my > certifications > and I did not regret doing it online.So just do it and you wont regret it. > Take care. > Sincerely Yours: > Gary Melconian, MBA, CPA and JD candidates > Mobile: 818-731-3949 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Gilmore > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:31 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM > > I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online > j.d.'s. > Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking > about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer > online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University > (which > if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in > general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? > For > those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional > classroom or is distance learning a viable option? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From garymelc at msn.com Mon Aug 8 22:42:27 2011 From: garymelc at msn.com (gary melconian) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:42:27 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM In-Reply-To: <68EDEEB495F04BB8AED8E38D055F498D@hometwxakonvzn> References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <68EDEEB495F04BB8AED8E38D055F498D@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: That is what I ment. I am going for that after my jd which I am currently doing on line at the online school that I had posted in my previous email. After that I am going for an online llm which I have researched which is in San diego ca which is accrediated by ABA and that is why I am going for that one. Also I have plans for going for a few other certification in my industry which I have expertise in. take care Sincerly Yours: Gary Melconian, MBa, CPA and JD candidates Mobile: 818-731-3949 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:37 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] online LLM I heard you get your LLM after your J.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary melconian" To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] online LLM > Hello Michael, that is true, the online llm's are accrediated by the ABA > and > that is why they ar popular for that reason, but the Jd is a new relm > and > so that will take some time forh the folks at the accrediateing body to > get > their heads around. So find the one you ar interested and go for it, if > you > ar one of those who can study on your own and don't need a class > environment, to get you motivated or performing any other tasks that > are > involved in acquiring your education on line. I did go for my > certifications > and I did not regret doing it online.So just do it and you wont regret it. > Take care. > Sincerely Yours: > Gary Melconian, MBA, CPA and JD candidates > Mobile: 818-731-3949 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Gilmore > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:31 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM > > I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online > j.d.'s. > Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking > about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer > online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University > (which > if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in > general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? > For > those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional > classroom or is distance learning a viable option? > > Thanks. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefu r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com From mikefry79 at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 01:26:09 2011 From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:26:09 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM In-Reply-To: References: <1312824663.70349.YahooMailClassic@web112404.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <68EDEEB495F04BB8AED8E38D055F498D@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: Currently, I'm in an LLM program for biotechnology and genomics from Arizona State University. I completed half the LLM course work in the classrom. Then, I got a good job in another state. Luckily, this fall, the core classes, for the first time, are being offered on-line. I was given the opportunity to beta-test the courses and in return got free tutuion. It worked out well. I'm in the process of writing a thesis to complete the remaining unit requirements. My LLM expereince has been good. Based on my experience, I recommend it. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 3:42 PM, gary melconian wrote: > That is what I ment. I am going for that  after my jd which I am currently > doing on line at the online school that  I had   posted in my previous > email. After that I am  going for an online llm which I have researched > which is in San diego ca which is accrediated by ABA and  that is why I am > going for that one. Also I have plans for going for a few other > certification in my industry which I have expertise in. take care > Sincerly Yours: > Gary Melconian, MBa, CPA and JD candidates > Mobile: 818-731-3949 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of RJ Sandefur > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:37 PM > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] online LLM > > I heard you get your LLM after your J.D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gary melconian" > To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] online LLM > > >> Hello Michael, that is true, the online llm's are accrediated by the ABA >> and >> that is why they ar popular for that   reason, but the Jd is a new relm >> and >> so that will take some time forh the folks at the accrediateing body to >> get >> their heads around. So find the one you ar interested and go for it, if >> you >> ar one of those who can study on your own and don't need a class >> environment, to get   you  motivated or performing any other tasks that >> are >> involved in acquiring your education on line. I did go for my >> certifications >> and I did not regret doing it online.So just do it and you wont regret it. >> Take care. >> Sincerely Yours: >> Gary Melconian, MBA, CPA and JD candidates >> Mobile: 818-731-3949 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Mike Gilmore >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:31 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [blindlaw] online LLM >> >> I've been reading all the recent posts on this listserv about online >> j.d.'s. >> Currently, I work for the feds and am licensed in Virginia. I'm thinking >> about getting an l.l.m. I googled and there are several schools that offer >> online l.l.m.'s, the only one coming to mind being Boston University >> (which >> if memory serves they have a pretty good reputation as a law school in >> general.) Has anyone out there received an l.l.m. via distance learning? >> For >> those of you who have an l.l.m., would you recommend the traditional >> classroom or is distance learning a viable option? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefu > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/garymelc%40msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mikefry79%40gmail.com > From AZNOR99 at aol.com Tue Aug 9 01:31:20 2011 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 21:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Message-ID: <2a7aa.a70043.3b71e7e8@aol.com> Hi David, Thank you very much. I appreciate your reflections. I've emailed Beth off-list and will certainly be happy to assist her in any way I can. However, I do not believe that this discussion is appropriate for this list. While Beth's challenges are valid, this list is reserved for discussion of the practice of law by the blind and/or laws that affect the blind. Thanks, Ronza In a message dated 8/8/2011 9:19:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I apologize for the offence, and my misperception. I should know better than to trust my memory of the Holy Koran, rather than doing research first. No offence was intended, I assure you. For those of us who are not learned in the faith of Islam, I am grateful for your correction. Since you are learned in the faith, could you help this lady in her need to convince her prospective in-laws about the ability of blind people? Perhaps what I thought would be an impediment could be a help. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:14 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions David, with all due respect, you're wrong about how Islam perceives the blind and blindness. It isn't the religion or its values that pity the blind, and rather various cultural and political beliefs that perpetuate that stereotype. You said "if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity." As a learned Muslim, I'd like to see direct citations in the Qur'an or Hadeeth that support this position. In fact, Hadeeth point to the blind as often the most learned and wise. Anyone who is economically disadvantaged, orphans, and widows are the categories expressly listed to be considered as charity recipients, when they need it. The notion that the Islamic religion expressly believes what you attribute to it is akin to the notion that any blind American walking down the street should be given a dollar because blind should be pitied and taken care of. Most of us on this list would believe that statement is proposterous, and the same is true anywhere else in the world. Please, check your facts before making such statements. Incidentally, I am personally offended by this depiction. Beth, this is a challenging problem. If you and your partner wish to marry, there is no legal reason that I'm aware of that would prevent you from doing so simply because you are blind - this is the case both hear and in somalia. If he is Muslim and you wish to obtain an Islamic marriage, you'll simply both need to be adults, have the requisite number of witnesses, and have completed any type of pre-marrital counseling and marriage contract negotiations the sheikh and specific mosque require. The fact that you are not Somali is not a factor that can prevent the legal marriage contract from being executed or enforced. However, the reception you get from the community is quite a different thing. Statistically, there are many more Somali women in the world and in the U.S. than Somali men (largely due to the consequences of a civil war and current refugee migration systems that give priority to women and children). It may be that these folks who disapprove of your marriage are simply trying to "look out for their own," if you will, because if your fiance marries you, he won't marry a Somali woman. I'm a bit of a subject matter expert on the Somali diaspora, so feel free to email me off-list if you want to discuss this further. Good luck, and congratulations! Regards, Ronza In a message dated 8/5/2011 12:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us Tue Aug 9 12:41:24 2011 From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC)) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:41:24 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] some questions In-Reply-To: <2a7aa.a70043.3b71e7e8@aol.com> References: <2a7aa.a70043.3b71e7e8@aol.com> Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06C24@tiger> You are right, the thread has gone some away from law. We try to help folks when we can. And I appreciate those who, although tolerate those of us who only pass a bar occasionally. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 8:31 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions Hi David, Thank you very much. I appreciate your reflections. I've emailed Beth off-list and will certainly be happy to assist her in any way I can. However, I do not believe that this discussion is appropriate for this list. While Beth's challenges are valid, this list is reserved for discussion of the practice of law by the blind and/or laws that affect the blind. Thanks, Ronza In a message dated 8/8/2011 9:19:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I apologize for the offence, and my misperception. I should know better than to trust my memory of the Holy Koran, rather than doing research first. No offence was intended, I assure you. For those of us who are not learned in the faith of Islam, I am grateful for your correction. Since you are learned in the faith, could you help this lady in her need to convince her prospective in-laws about the ability of blind people? Perhaps what I thought would be an impediment could be a help. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AZNOR99 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:14 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions David, with all due respect, you're wrong about how Islam perceives the blind and blindness. It isn't the religion or its values that pity the blind, and rather various cultural and political beliefs that perpetuate that stereotype. You said "if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity." As a learned Muslim, I'd like to see direct citations in the Qur'an or Hadeeth that support this position. In fact, Hadeeth point to the blind as often the most learned and wise. Anyone who is economically disadvantaged, orphans, and widows are the categories expressly listed to be considered as charity recipients, when they need it. The notion that the Islamic religion expressly believes what you attribute to it is akin to the notion that any blind American walking down the street should be given a dollar because blind should be pitied and taken care of. Most of us on this list would believe that statement is proposterous, and the same is true anywhere else in the world. Please, check your facts before making such statements. Incidentally, I am personally offended by this depiction. Beth, this is a challenging problem. If you and your partner wish to marry, there is no legal reason that I'm aware of that would prevent you from doing so simply because you are blind - this is the case both hear and in somalia. If he is Muslim and you wish to obtain an Islamic marriage, you'll simply both need to be adults, have the requisite number of witnesses, and have completed any type of pre-marrital counseling and marriage contract negotiations the sheikh and specific mosque require. The fact that you are not Somali is not a factor that can prevent the legal marriage contract from being executed or enforced. However, the reception you get from the community is quite a different thing. Statistically, there are many more Somali women in the world and in the U.S. than Somali men (largely due to the consequences of a civil war and current refugee migration systems that give priority to women and children). It may be that these folks who disapprove of your marriage are simply trying to "look out for their own," if you will, because if your fiance marries you, he won't marry a Somali woman. I'm a bit of a subject matter expert on the Somali diaspora, so feel free to email me off-list if you want to discuss this further. Good luck, and congratulations! Regards, Ronza In a message dated 8/5/2011 12:14:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us writes: I agree with the others who have responded. On a purely cultural level, blindness is viewed differently in his culture than it is in ours. Further, if his family comes from an Islamic background, and still holds to some of the tenants of the Koran and the Sharia, blindness is a condition to be pitied, and blind people are those who are specifically identified as recipients of charity. If these beliefs are deeply ingrained, there may be no hope of changing them. You might try, if this be the case, talking some someone at a local mosque. If they have a person whose opinion they value, and that person agrees with you, get him, or her, to intercede. Blindness in their country is almost always, an unmitigated tragedy. There are very few opportunities. Attitudes change very slowly. You may, ultimately, have to wed without their buy in. But try everything else first. If you don't, you will wish you had. If you do everything you can, then you can believe that you did your best. The parents may, eventually come around. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:36 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] some questions Hi, guys. I have some questions about a cultural conflict going on with some people who are trying to prevent me and my current boyfriend from marrying. They state that because we are both totally blind, we would 1. Not make good parents or are not fit to be parents. 2. Would be unable to perform everyday tasks when indeed we've both graduated from the Colorado Center for the Blind x number of months ago. 3. That my boyfriend would be bored and lonely. These men are Somali, so they state he should also marry his own kind, surely a sign of discrimination. They are not willing to change. How should we deal with them? Thanks. Beth _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi .k12.wi.us _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aznor99%40aol.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/david.hyde%40wcbvi.k12.wi.us From rumpole at roadrunner.com Tue Aug 9 20:17:54 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:17:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty Posting eastern district of Tennessee Message-ID: * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Eastern District of Tennessee Vacancy Announcement #11-EDTN-AUSA-08Applications must be received by Wednesday, August 24, 2011 http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/ausa-11-edtn-ausa-08.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Tue Aug 9 22:00:51 2011 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:00:51 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] A word of caution concerning attending law school via distance learning References: <20110807.130942.990.1096510@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <57157DDC784C44778B424BD89A54A276@victory2> Well, doesn't Wolsey Hall based in England offer a law program off the classroom? The last time I looked into it, it would take nearly ten years or so to graduate because everything is done via correspondence. For those list members based in England, is there anything in the British legal code that prohibits a graduate of Wolsey Hall from becoming a barrister or solicitor? This enquiring mind sure would like to know. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From rumpole at roadrunner.com Tue Aug 9 22:44:25 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:44:25 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Trustee office Atty posting - Corpus Christi TX Message-ID: U.S. Department of Justice U.S. Trustee Program Corpus Christi, Texas (1) Assistant United States Trustee Vacancy Announcement #CORPUS AUST 11-02 Resumes submitted by mail must be postmarked no later than midnight August 31, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/corpusaust-11-02inter.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From brdavis84 at cox.net Wed Aug 10 12:31:08 2011 From: brdavis84 at cox.net (brdavis84 at cox.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 8:31:08 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Barrier Free Walkway Message-ID: <20110810083108.8RPY7.1347235.imail@eastrmwml41> For many years, I have walked my best friend Tig where I was instructed. Even though Tig is not a guide dog" she is my family. I am constantly having to deal with somebody parking their car over the curb. So I try to go to the other end of the car. Sometimes, another car is parked at that end of the long one. I can't go the normal route I am used to. Others can see; I am blind. Do I have any rights as a blind person to have a "barrier free" walkway to walk Tig? The vopa group didn't even respond when I contacted them. They are advocates for the blind. I question that. When the landlord saw that I had written vopa, they tried to make me change the route that I have known for many years to one farther away. it is not good to walk that far at night. I also had to deal with a high pile of mulch, shovels, rakes, etc. in that area. The landscapers, grounds keeper, and the maintenance supervisor were aware of my route. What rights do I have to request a barrier free walkway where I live? Thanks for listening. Tig is there for me when nobody else is. I need her. My best friend is dating someone. I don't get out much. Betty Davis From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 10 15:49:48 2011 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:49:48 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] congresswoman under fire for alleged disability discrimination Message-ID: Congresswoman Under Fire For Alleged Disability Discrimination By Shaun Heasley | July 18, 2011 A member of Congress who has publicly supported the Americans with Disabilities Act now stands accused of denying reasonable accommodations in the workplace. The allegation comes in a lawsuit filed by Mona Floyd, who has a visual disability, against her former employer U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas. Floyd alleges that during the seven months in 2010 that she worked as legislative director and chief counsel for Jackson Lee, the congresswoman failed to accommodate her disability and made disparaging comments when modifications were requested. Now Floyd is suing in U.S. District Court, seeking "back and front pay" in addition to compensatory and punitive damages. According to the suit, Floyd reads 20 to 30 percent slower than average. What's more, her speed is reduced even further if she's not given an opportunity to rest her eyes periodically. Floyd says she was assured prior to being hired to Jackson Lee's staff that her needs would be accommodated. However, soon after taking the job, Floyd was assigned so much reading that she had to work from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. regularly to keep up, the lawsuit says. "I don't care anything about your disability," the complaint indicates that Jackson Lee told Floyd when the issue was raised. The comment came not long after Jackson Lee had expressed her support for the ADA at a congressional hearing, according to the suit. Ultimately, Floyd says in the lawsuit that she resigned last fall because of the "intolerable working conditions." Representatives for Jackson Lee are keeping quiet on the matter. "The office of U.S. Representative Jackson Lee considers internal personnel matters confidential and will not comment publicly on the allegations at this time, except to say that the office fully embraces and fully practices equal employment opportunities for all," Glenn Rushing, Jackson Lee's chief of staff, said in a statement. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2011/07/18/congresswoman-discrimination/13542/print/ From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 16:09:14 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:09:14 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] re zoomex scanning solution Message-ID: Dear all, Has anyone used this equipment? If so, I'd be really grateful if you could give me information on how you have found it? was it useful? I am thinking of acquiring this and it is extremely expensive, so advice would be much appreciated. Ger From 1prince.chris at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 02:57:43 2011 From: 1prince.chris at gmail.com (Chris Judd) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:57:43 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] help Message-ID: On 8/10/11, blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org wrote: > Send blindlaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of blindlaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. U.S. Atty Posting eastern district of Tennessee (Ross Doerr) > 2. Re: A word of caution concerning attending law school via > distance learning (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) > 3. U.S. Trustee office Atty posting - Corpus Christi TX (Ross Doerr) > 4. Barrier Free Walkway (brdavis84 at cox.net) > 5. congresswoman under fire for alleged disability > discrimination (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) > 6. re zoomex scanning solution (Gerard Sadlier) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:17:54 -0400 > From: "Ross Doerr" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty Posting eastern district of Tennessee > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Eastern > District of Tennessee Vacancy Announcement #11-EDTN-AUSA-08Applications must > be received by Wednesday, August 24, 2011 > http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/ausa-11-edtn-ausa-08.htm > > > > Ross A. Doerr Esquire > Admitted to Practice in > Maine and New Hampshire > F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:00:51 -0600 > From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." > > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] A word of caution concerning attending law > school via distance learning > Message-ID: <57157DDC784C44778B424BD89A54A276 at victory2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Well, doesn't Wolsey Hall based in England offer a law program off the > classroom? The last time I looked into it, it would take nearly ten years > or so to graduate because everything is done via correspondence. For those > list members based in England, is there anything in the British legal code > that prohibits a graduate of Wolsey Hall from becoming a barrister or > solicitor? This enquiring mind sure would like to know. > > Sincerely, > Olusegun > Denver, Colorado > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:44:25 -0400 > From: "Ross Doerr" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Trustee office Atty posting - Corpus Christi > TX > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > U.S. Department of Justice U.S. Trustee Program Corpus Christi, Texas (1) > Assistant United States Trustee Vacancy Announcement #CORPUS AUST 11-02 > Resumes submitted by mail must be postmarked no later than midnight August > 31, 2011. > http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/corpusaust-11-02inter.htm > > > > > Ross A. Doerr Esquire > Admitted to Practice in > Maine and New Hampshire > F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 8:31:08 -0400 > From: > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Barrier Free Walkway > Message-ID: <20110810083108.8RPY7.1347235.imail at eastrmwml41> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > For many years, I have walked my best friend Tig where I was instructed. > Even though Tig is not a guide dog" she is my family. I am constantly > having to deal with somebody parking their car over the curb. So I try to > go to the other end of the car. Sometimes, another car is parked at that > end of the long one. I can't go the normal route I am used to. Others can > see; I am blind. Do I have any rights as a blind person to have a "barrier > free" walkway to walk Tig? The vopa group didn't even respond when I > contacted them. They are advocates for the blind. I question that. When > the landlord saw that I had written vopa, they tried to make me change the > route that I have known for many years to one farther away. it is not good > to walk that far at night. I also had to deal with a high pile of mulch, > shovels, rakes, etc. in that area. The landscapers, grounds keeper, and the > maintenance supervisor were aware of my route. What rights do I have to > request a barrier free walkway where I live? Thanks for listening. Tig is > there for me when nobody else is. I need her. My best friend is dating > someone. I don't get out much. > > Betty Davis > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:49:48 -0700 > From: > To: > Subject: [blindlaw] congresswoman under fire for alleged disability > discrimination > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Congresswoman Under Fire For Alleged Disability Discrimination > > By Shaun Heasley | July 18, 2011 > > > A member of Congress who has publicly supported the Americans with > Disabilities Act now stands accused of denying reasonable accommodations in > the workplace. > > The allegation comes in a lawsuit filed by Mona Floyd, who has a visual > disability, against her former employer U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, > D-Texas. Floyd alleges that during the seven months in 2010 that she worked > as legislative director and chief counsel for Jackson Lee, the congresswoman > failed to accommodate her disability and made disparaging comments when > modifications were requested. > > Now Floyd is suing in U.S. District Court, seeking "back and front pay" in > addition to compensatory and punitive damages. > > According to the suit, Floyd reads 20 to 30 percent slower than average. > What's more, her speed is reduced even further if she's not given an > opportunity to rest her eyes periodically. > > Floyd says she was assured prior to being hired to Jackson Lee's staff that > her needs would be accommodated. However, soon after taking the job, Floyd > was assigned so much reading that she had to work from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. > regularly to keep up, the lawsuit says. > > "I don't care anything about your disability," the complaint indicates that > Jackson Lee told Floyd when the issue was raised. > > The comment came not long after Jackson Lee had expressed her support for > the ADA at a congressional hearing, according to the suit. > > Ultimately, Floyd says in the lawsuit that she resigned last fall because of > the "intolerable working conditions." > > Representatives for Jackson Lee are keeping quiet on the matter. > > "The office of U.S. Representative Jackson Lee considers internal personnel > matters confidential and will not comment publicly on the allegations at > this time, except to say that the office fully embraces and fully practices > equal employment opportunities for all," Glenn Rushing, Jackson Lee's chief > of staff, said in a statement. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2011/07/18/congresswoman-discrimination/13542/print/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:09:14 +0100 > From: Gerard Sadlier > To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] re zoomex scanning solution > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear all, > > Has anyone used this equipment? If so, I'd be really grateful if you > could give me information on how you have found it? was it useful? I > am thinking of acquiring this and it is extremely expensive, so advice > would be much appreciated. > > Ger > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 87, Issue 9 > *************************************** > From rumpole at roadrunner.com Sat Aug 13 18:07:53 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:07:53 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Posting WDC Message-ID: <5927EBEAF13C463ABC9A92B7631A8975@none8a46117901> * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office District of Columbia Washington, D.C. Applications must be received by 5:00 p..m. EST (Eastern Standard Time) on August 18, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/ausa-term-vac-ad.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 23:14:19 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:14:19 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] order Message-ID: <4075096D8EDD4E8EB344EBBF1C088A20@hometwxakonvzn> Could this order be overturned on Appeal? Why or why not? RJ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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U.S. Attorney Posting WDC (Ross Doerr) > 2. order (RJ Sandefur) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:07:53 -0400 > From: "Ross Doerr" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Posting WDC > Message-ID: <5927EBEAF13C463ABC9A92B7631A8975 at none8a46117901> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office > District of Columbia Washington, D.C. Applications must be received by 5:00 > p..m. EST (Eastern Standard Time) on August 18, 2011. > http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/ausa-term-vac-ad.htm > > Ross A. Doerr Esquire > Admitted to Practice in > Maine and New Hampshire > F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:14:19 -0400 > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" > Subject: [blindlaw] order > Message-ID: <4075096D8EDD4E8EB344EBBF1C088A20 at hometwxakonvzn> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Could this order be overturned on Appeal? Why or why not? RJ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Order on Def Emergency Mot to Quash, Vacate, & Set Aside Courts > Order.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 531798 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > End of blindlaw Digest, Vol 87, Issue 11 > **************************************** > From rumpole at roadrunner.com Tue Aug 16 15:26:55 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:26:55 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. DOJ posting - overseas criminal Message-ID: <29523BBD4023417F916953D9A1AB80D9@none8a46117901> * U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division Office of Overseas Prosecutorial Development, Assistance and Training Experienced Attorney, GS-905-14/15 Resident Legal Advisor in Mexico City 11-CRM-OPDAT-038 Applications will be accepted until the position is filled. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-crm-opdat-038.htm Ross A. 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From rumpole at roadrunner.com Fri Aug 19 16:35:01 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:35:01 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Bur. of A.T.F. & explosives posting in WDC Message-ID: * Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Office of Enforcement Programs and Services Office of Regulatory Affairs Supervisory Attorney Advisor, GS-905-15 Washington, D.C. Applications must be received by September 7, 2011, the closing date of this announcement. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/atf-gs-905-15.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 19 17:54:26 2011 From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:54:26 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] please contact Message-ID: I would appreciate an opportunity to communicate with the persons listed below. 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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 20:38:46 2011 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:38:46 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] re echo locations daniel kish Message-ID: hi all, I wondered if anyone has come across the mobility method pioneered by daniel kish. I would be grateful for information on how to learn this echo location AVAILABLE online. -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From dandrews at visi.com Sun Aug 21 23:58:45 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:58:45 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] re echo locations daniel kish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is not an appropriate discussion for the blind law list. David Andrews, List Owner At 03:38 PM 8/21/2011, you wrote: >hi all, >I wondered if anyone has come across the mobility method pioneered by >daniel kish. I would be grateful for information on how to learn this >echo location AVAILABLE online. > > >-- >Best wishes > >Gerard Sadlier From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Aug 22 20:18:29 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:18:29 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Opening for Disability Rights Associate in Los Angeles/El Segundo Message-ID: From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:40 AM To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG Subject: FW: Opening for Disability Rights Associate in Los Angeles/El Segundo For those in CA. Please note that calls will not be taken. Contact Michelle for more information. William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. Special Projects & Technology Coordinator ABA Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law T: 202-662-1576 william.phelan at americanbar.org http://www.americanbar.org/disability Notice: The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have received this e-mail in error, or are not its intended recipient, please: do not print, copy, or distribute in any way the above message or its attachments; delete this e-mail from your computer; and inform the sender of this error. Thank you. ________________________________ From: Michelle Uzeta Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:41 AM Subject: [DRBA] Opening for Disability Rights Associate in Los Angeles/El Segundo Our 100% disability rights firm is looking for an associate with 3-7 years of exerience (I assume we'd also consider a new admittee with solid law clerking experience). We are a relatively new firm as currently configured (1.5 years) - but the Senior Partner and I have over 40 years of disability rights experience between us, and the remaining attorneys (2 partners, 1 associate) have significant experience in civil litigation and a deep committment to disability rights. Great opportunity for the right person! The office is very laid back - we laugh a lot and don't take ourselves too seriously - but we are also extremely busy. Currently, the majority of our cases are federal ADA/504 cases dealing with architectural barriers and program access from a physical standpoint. I joined the firm at the beginning of the year and we have since expanded to fair housing, reasonable accommodation and communication access issues. In the next couple of years we are hoping to expand into additional areas including, but not limited to mental health advocacy and special education. 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Name: ~WRD000.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: ~WRD000.jpg URL: From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Wed Aug 24 13:44:35 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:44:35 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> Greetings: Providing a missive to spark discussion about a potential on-going forum for the disability rights movement is the purpose of my writing. As my contribution to the disability rights movement, I would propose an annual debate or an annual facilitated dialogue, perhaps as part of the annual symposium of the N.F.B., on some issue. I have thought initially it would be interesting to have an annual debate between a leading figure of A.C.B. and the N.F.B. Having an annual debate between the two organizations might still be helpful. I do believe that, having an even broader focus, would be useful. As an alternative approach, having a facilitated dialogue on disability law and policy with panelists being comprised of Disability Rights Organizations (e.g. the N.F.B.) and other stakeholders, such as the business community, would be helpful. This is a kind of event and forum, intended at creating and fostering discussion, that I, a dispute resolution professional, would be willing to lead. Indeed. This year, a focus of the Alternative Dispute Resolution Section and its board on which I am serving of the Maryland State Bar Association is fostering, through facilitation and related tools, public dialogue. I believe that the agenda of the Section is laudable. Fostering dialogue, even among leaders within the disability rights movement and also among the leaders of the disability rights movement and outside stakeholders, is something to be sought. I would welcome any comments or suggestions. Sincerely, Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. From johnrsheehan at yahoo.com Wed Aug 24 13:51:29 2011 From: johnrsheehan at yahoo.com (John Sheehan) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal In-Reply-To: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> References: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> Message-ID: <1314193889.71025.YahooMailNeo@web162019.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I suspect a debate between an ACB and an NFB member would do nothing but deepen the divide and further antagonize. A public forum topic could be interesting and in the light of current legislative movements, might be helpful in getting publicity - but I would think it best to keep it focused.    Fr. John R. Sheehan, SJ Chairman Xavier Society for the Blind Web Site: www.xaviersocietyfortheblind.org 154 E. 23rd St NYC 10010 212 473-7800, ext 119 The NFL Raffle is currently going on. To buy a ticket online: http://xaviersocietyfortheblind.givezooks.com/events/nfl-raffle   Residence: 53 E 83rd St New York, NY 10028 Room Phone: 212 606-3420 Cell: 646 853-1820 Blog: www.frjohnsj.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: "Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)" To: Charles Crawford ; NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List ; "Mbrunson at acb.org" ; Carrie Griffin Basas ; "Phelan, William" ; "Cantos, Ollie (CRT)" ; Janet Lord ; "dmorrissey at usicd.org" ; Day Al-Mohamed ; Steven Mendelsohn ; "ostephen at utk.edu" ; "Sheehan, Pat" ; "rsvp at aapd.com" ; Craig Brieske ; Andrew Levy ; Carrie Griffin Basas ; "CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG" ; Bob Rhudy ; "chris at license.state.tx.us" ; "craggio at mdod.state.md.us" Cc: Caroline Griffin ; "Perry, Jason" ; Joshua Friedman Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal Greetings: Providing a missive to spark discussion about a potential on-going forum for the disability rights movement is the purpose of my writing. As my contribution to the disability rights movement, I would propose an annual debate or an annual facilitated                dialogue, perhaps as part of the annual symposium of the N.F.B., on some issue. I have thought initially it would be interesting to have an annual debate between a leading figure of A.C.B. and the N.F.B. Having an annual debate between the two organizations might still be helpful. I do believe that, having an even broader focus, would be useful. As an alternative approach, having a facilitated dialogue on disability law and policy with panelists being comprised of Disability Rights Organizations (e.g. the N.F.B.) and other stakeholders, such as the business community, would be helpful. This is a kind of event and forum, intended at creating and fostering discussion, that I, a dispute resolution professional, would be willing to lead. Indeed. This year, a focus of the Alternative Dispute Resolution Section and its board on which I am serving of the Maryland State Bar Association is fostering, through facilitation and related tools, public dialogue. I believe that the agenda of the Section is laudable. Fostering dialogue, even among leaders within the disability rights movement and also among the leaders of the disability rights movement and outside stakeholders, is something to be sought. I would welcome any comments or suggestions.                 Sincerely, Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/johnrsheehan%40yahoo.com From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Wed Aug 24 15:05:20 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:05:20 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal In-Reply-To: <83754158-650A-4AAE-941E-9285B7727681@yahoo.com> References: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> <83754158-650A-4AAE-941E-9285B7727681@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D8074291D@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> Yes. I am proposing one centralized event, either a debate or more likely a facilitated dialogue. The broader the focus, the better; I do agree. Whether it is intra-disability rights (meaning within all Disability People's Organizations or just among one sector of the disability rights movement, e.g. blindness) or inter-disability rights (by that I mean among the disability community and even "misinformed" members of the business community), I think a facilitated approach to resolving accessibility issues is lacking and a facilitated dialogue would be helpful. Public policy facilitation tools are being used, and have been applied, in an array of issue sets, e.g. the environment. Assuming that people are "hip" to the idea, I am not sure how to "get this off the ground". From: Carrie Griffin Basas [mailto:cdgesq at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:55 AM To: Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) Cc: Charles Crawford; NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List; Mbrunson at acb.org; Phelan, William; Cantos, Ollie (CRT); Janet Lord; dmorrissey at usicd.org; Day Al-Mohamed; Steven Mendelsohn; ostephen at utk.edu; Sheehan, Pat; rsvp at aapd.com; Craig Brieske; Andrew Levy; CMPDL-3D at MAIL.ABANET.ORG; Bob Rhudy; chris at license.state.tx.us; craggio at mdod.state.md.us; Caroline Griffin; Joshua Friedman; Perry, Jason Subject: Re: Proposal I would recommend going for a broader focus than just blind orgs, but that's mostly because I'm not blind and I'm interested in fostering a dialogue cross-disability. I'm not sure that most members of the business community would feel comfortable talking in a public forum about their concerns re: disability. They'd have to be pretty exceptional and informed businesses and then they're on "our" side anyway. Isn't some of this kind of discussion happening in bits and pieces at the NFB conference, ODEP's events, AAPD? Perhaps, what you're proposing is centralizing it into an additional event? Carrie On Aug 24, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) wrote: Greetings: Providing a missive to spark discussion about a potential on-going forum for the disability rights movement is the purpose of my writing. As my contribution to the disability rights movement, I would propose an annual debate or an annual facilitated dialogue, perhaps as part of the annual symposium of the N.F.B., on some issue. I have thought initially it would be interesting to have an annual debate between a leading figure of A.C.B. and the N.F.B. Having an annual debate between the two organizations might still be helpful. I do believe that, having an even broader focus, would be useful. As an alternative approach, having a facilitated dialogue on disability law and policy with panelists being comprised of Disability Rights Organizations (e.g. the N.F.B.) and other stakeholders, such as the business community, would be helpful. This is a kind of event and forum, intended at creating and fostering discussion, that I, a dispute resolution professional, would be willing to lead. Indeed. This year, a focus of the Alternative Dispute Resolution Section and its board on which I am serving of the Maryland State Bar Association is fostering, through facilitation and related tools, public dialogue. I believe that the agenda of the Section is laudable. Fostering dialogue, even among leaders within the disability rights movement and also among the leaders of the disability rights movement and outside stakeholders, is something to be sought. I would welcome any comments or suggestions. Sincerely, Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. From Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov Wed Aug 24 15:24:53 2011 From: Tim.Ford at cdph.ca.gov (Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:24:53 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Using Pro Law With JAWS Message-ID: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F608262948@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov> Hi All, Our office is in the process of purchasing Pro Law billing software. It is sold through the parent company of the same folks who operate Westlaw, and thus it seems the company has a demonstrated commitment to JAWS accessibility. On Pro Law, does anyone know if the current version is accessible with JAWS? Please respond only if you have information on that. Sincerely, Tim Ford From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Wed Aug 24 15:29:18 2011 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:29:18 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Using Pro Law With JAWS In-Reply-To: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F608262948@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov> References: <839F18076C66C345BD1C0A4ACA67A1F608262948@dhsexcmsg12.intra.dhs.ca.gov> Message-ID: <716411A721824F3AAD57F052AA00A4A8@DHRL6TC1> Last time I tried Prolaw, it wasn't accessibility all. Its been a few years, but I'd want to try it out first. They probably have a demo disk. ------------------------------------------- Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS) Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:25 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Using Pro Law With JAWS Hi All, Our office is in the process of purchasing Pro Law billing software. It is sold through the parent company of the same folks who operate Westlaw, and thus it seems the company has a demonstrated commitment to JAWS accessibility. On Pro Law, does anyone know if the current version is accessible with JAWS? Please respond only if you have information on that. Sincerely, Tim Ford _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergo uld.com From rthomas at emplmntattorney.com Wed Aug 24 16:01:43 2011 From: rthomas at emplmntattorney.com (Russell J. Thomas, Jr.) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:01:43 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] THELAW.NET Message-ID: <5350DE2946FB42FC8DC4CC6BDA50706A@RThomas> Has anyone had experience with this research tool? It is very JAWS friendly, but I found the navigation to various items on the page to be rather challenging. I would be interested in the experience of others. Given its low price and extensive data base, it could be an extremely useful product. Respectfully, Russell J. Thomas, Jr. Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr. 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 Newport Beach, California 92660 T: (949) 752-0101 F: (949) 257-4756 M: (949) 466-7238 www.emplmntattorney.com Follow me on Twitter: EmplmntAttorney From rumpole at roadrunner.com Wed Aug 24 16:14:36 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:14:36 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal References: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> Message-ID: <160D4A21984F45D28A840B7168E2F8FB@none8a46117901> I would recommend against pitting disability related organizations against each other in a debate. That approach would serve only to highlight differences and keep "us" appearring to be fighting among ourselves. Such a debate among panelists made up of individuals in, for example, the blindness community and nonprofit community - most of whom provide services, might be interesting. But I'd only suggest such an action if there is a stipulation that remedies to identified problems be instituted within a specific time frame. The same type of forum could be used for the deaf and hard of hearing community, etc, etc. to identify change that "we" see as being needed, not what nondisabled service providers feel "we" need. Right now, the required majority of disabled participants on boards for such organizations as ILC, SILC etc, etc puts these ideas out on the floor for discussion, and nothing ever gets done about them after annual meetings. I've spoken with many, many individuals with a disability over the past 24 years who have said the same thing, more or less, in terms of varying degrees of publicaly acceptable language. One gentleman who has been disabled for more than 40 years put it best when he said: "We've heard it all before. From now on, no more talk unless there is a promise of action attached to the talk. I've had it with "we'll take it under consideration" as a response". I've been practicing law in the disability field for many years, and I know the rules and regulations that atach to the disability field. Truth be told, that gentleman has a valid point. Just look at the record of change in things. Speaking strictly for myself, I'd like to see the jobs issue for all individuals with a disability addressed in a truly meaningful way with accountability for ongoing lack-luster performance by those who earn a living being such providers. If you want a debate that will generate instant publicity, try the jobs debate with a promise of jobs linked to it. One for the blindness community withy the private sector and governmental HR people involved, another one for the Deaf and hard of hearing community, one for those with mobility challenges -- that sort of approach. I promise you, that will highlight the similarities between disability related organizations rather than differences. These opinions are only mine, and are not presented as anything other than one man's view. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)" To: "Charles Crawford" ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" ; ; "Carrie Griffin Basas" ; "Phelan,William" ; "Cantos, Ollie (CRT)" ; "Janet Lord" ; ; "Day Al-Mohamed" ; "StevenMendelsohn" ; ; "Sheehan, Pat" ; ; "CraigBrieske" ; "Andrew Levy" ; "CarrieGriffin Basas" ; ; "Bob Rhudy" ; ; Cc: "Caroline Griffin" ; "Perry,Jason" ; "Joshua Friedman" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal > Greetings: > > > Providing a missive to spark discussion about a potential on-going forum > for the disability rights movement is the purpose of my writing. > > > As my contribution to the disability rights movement, I would propose an > annual debate or an annual facilitated dialogue, perhaps > as part of the annual symposium of the N.F.B., on some issue. > > > I have thought initially it would be interesting to have an annual debate > between a leading figure of A.C.B. and the N.F.B. > > > Having an annual debate between the two organizations might still be > helpful. I do believe that, having an even broader focus, would be useful. > > > As an alternative approach, having a facilitated dialogue on disability > law and policy with panelists being comprised of Disability Rights > Organizations (e.g. the N.F.B.) and other stakeholders, such as the > business community, would be helpful. > > > This is a kind of event and forum, intended at creating and fostering > discussion, that I, a dispute resolution professional, would be willing to > lead. Indeed. This year, a focus of the Alternative Dispute Resolution > Section and its board on which I am serving of the Maryland State Bar > Association is fostering, through facilitation and related tools, public > dialogue. I believe that the agenda of the Section is laudable. Fostering > dialogue, even among leaders within the disability rights movement and > also among the leaders of the disability rights movement and outside > stakeholders, is something to be sought. I would welcome any comments or > suggestions. > > > Sincerely, > Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3852 - Release Date: 08/23/11 > From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Wed Aug 24 16:42:03 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:42:03 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Proposal In-Reply-To: <160D4A21984F45D28A840B7168E2F8FB@none8a46117901> References: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742887@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> <160D4A21984F45D28A840B7168E2F8FB@none8a46117901> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D807429BB@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> I do welcome any comments and suggestions. I agree in part and disagree in part. A focus of any meaningful facilitation would be an agreed-on resolution to a problem, issue or concern. Publicity would be a welcomed goal but not the first goal. As we formulate this idea or approach, I will keep all comments in mind. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ross Doerr Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:15 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Proposal I would recommend against pitting disability related organizations against each other in a debate. That approach would serve only to highlight differences and keep "us" appearring to be fighting among ourselves. Such a debate among panelists made up of individuals in, for example, the blindness community and nonprofit community - most of whom provide services, might be interesting. But I'd only suggest such an action if there is a stipulation that remedies to identified problems be instituted within a specific time frame. The same type of forum could be used for the deaf and hard of hearing community, etc, etc. to identify change that "we" see as being needed, not what nondisabled service providers feel "we" need. Right now, the required majority of disabled participants on boards for such organizations as ILC, SILC etc, etc puts these ideas out on the floor for discussion, and nothing ever gets done about them after annual meetings. I've spoken with many, many individuals with a disability over the past 24 years who have said the same thing, more or less, in terms of varying degrees of publicaly acceptable language. One gentleman who has been disabled for more than 40 years put it best when he said: "We've heard it all before. From now on, no more talk unless there is a promise of action attached to the talk. I've had it with "we'll take it under consideration" as a response". I've been practicing law in the disability field for many years, and I know the rules and regulations that atach to the disability field. Truth be told, that gentleman has a valid point. Just look at the record of change in things. Speaking strictly for myself, I'd like to see the jobs issue for all individuals with a disability addressed in a truly meaningful way with accountability for ongoing lack-luster performance by those who earn a living being such providers. If you want a debate that will generate instant publicity, try the jobs debate with a promise of jobs linked to it. One for the blindness community withy the private sector and governmental HR people involved, another one for the Deaf and hard of hearing community, one for those with mobility challenges -- that sort of approach. I promise you, that will highlight the similarities between disability related organizations rather than differences. These opinions are only mine, and are not presented as anything other than one man's view. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)" To: "Charles Crawford" ; "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" ; ; "Carrie Griffin Basas" ; "Phelan,William" ; "Cantos, Ollie (CRT)" ; "Janet Lord" ; ; "Day Al-Mohamed" ; "StevenMendelsohn" ; ; "Sheehan, Pat" ; ; "CraigBrieske" ; "Andrew Levy" ; "CarrieGriffin Basas" ; ; "Bob Rhudy" ; ; Cc: "Caroline Griffin" ; "Perry,Jason" ; "Joshua Friedman" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: [blindlaw] Proposal > Greetings: > > > Providing a missive to spark discussion about a potential on-going forum > for the disability rights movement is the purpose of my writing. > > > As my contribution to the disability rights movement, I would propose an > annual debate or an annual facilitated dialogue, perhaps > as part of the annual symposium of the N.F.B., on some issue. > > > I have thought initially it would be interesting to have an annual debate > between a leading figure of A.C.B. and the N.F.B. > > > Having an annual debate between the two organizations might still be > helpful. I do believe that, having an even broader focus, would be useful. > > > As an alternative approach, having a facilitated dialogue on disability > law and policy with panelists being comprised of Disability Rights > Organizations (e.g. the N.F.B.) and other stakeholders, such as the > business community, would be helpful. > > > This is a kind of event and forum, intended at creating and fostering > discussion, that I, a dispute resolution professional, would be willing to > lead. Indeed. This year, a focus of the Alternative Dispute Resolution > Section and its board on which I am serving of the Maryland State Bar > Association is fostering, through facilitation and related tools, public > dialogue. I believe that the agenda of the Section is laudable. Fostering > dialogue, even among leaders within the disability rights movement and > also among the leaders of the disability rights movement and outside > stakeholders, is something to be sought. I would welcome any comments or > suggestions. > > > Sincerely, > Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3852 - Release Date: 08/23/11 > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs.gov From rumpole at roadrunner.com Wed Aug 24 20:01:38 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:01:38 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney Job Postings Message-ID: <8040D6438CA741E19A94F77D0F1474F9@none8a46117901> * U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division Overseas Prosecutorial Development, Assistance and Training Trial Attorney, GS-14/15 11-CRM-OPDAT-037 Applications will be accepted until September 16, 2011. [ http://www..justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-crm-opdat-037.htm ] _______________________________________ * Special Assistant United States Attorney (Serves Without Compensation) United States Attorney's Office Northern District of Ohio Vacancy Announcement Number: NDOH-11-01 Applications must be received no later than September 20, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/ndoh-11-01.htm ] Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From rumpole at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 25 12:20:54 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:20:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney posting - uncompensated - southern CA. Message-ID: <19A673E35896441E92E0409F8F1AE799@none8a46117901> Doesn't Southern California have a somewhat high cost of living? * Uncompensated Special Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Southern District of California 11-SDCA-SAUSA-04 Application materials must be postmarked by the deadline date of September 9, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-sdca-sausa-04.htm Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Aug 25 15:57:06 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:57:06 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} FW: NFB Imagineering Our Future: A Strong Foundation Message-ID: Blindlaw listers: The below e-newsletter from the Jernigan Institute has a feature about blind lawyer and member of this list, Denise Avant. From: Mark Riccobono [mailto:JerniganInstitute at nfb.org] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:01 AM To: Nightingale, Noel Subject: NFB Imagineering Our Future: A Strong Foundation [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11065.jpg]View this newsletter as HTML in your browser. View last month's newsletter. Imagineering Our Future Issue 37 August 2011 In this issue: * Message from the Executive Director * What's New * Education * Braille Initiative * Research * Advocacy * Straight Talk About Vision Loss * Product and Access Technology Talk * From the tenBroek Library * Independence Market * Parent Outreach * Spotlight on the Imagination Fund * NFB Calendar * Citation [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Message from the Executive Director Dear Friends, Two days ago we were engaged in the normal course of activities here at the NFB Jernigan Institute. I was in my office on the fourth floor near the northwest corner of our building. Suddenly the building began to shake and it did not stop for a good half a minute-an earthquake. We were able to quickly account for all of our staff, even those on assignment in Virginia closer to the epicenter, and our building showed no signs of being damaged. Once those two things were out of the way, I started thinking about unexpected situations and how we deal with them. One of the things the National Federation of the Blind teaches blind individuals is how to deal with a variety of unexpected situations with confidence. Throughout our training programs we teach how to face fear and deal with uncertainty. Part of the process for learning to handle uncertainty is to develop a strong set of skills. Another aspect is to get opportunities to tackle challenging tasks that provide perspective and confidence. In the process, we attempt to fuel the natural curiosity for knowledge and new experiences that lives within all of us. Our methods have proven useful for thousands of blind people, empowering them to venture into new, sometimes unimagined, opportunities. On Tuesday, it struck me that the earthquake provided some symbols of the experience of the NFB. We are firm in our resolve and we tackle problems with confidence. Yet, there are sometimes those who attempt to shake our determination. Whether the subject is eliminating subminimum wages or raising expectations for the education of blind children, there are often disruptions in our progress meant to change our direction. Our organization is built on a strong foundation, and our team is prepared for uncertainty. The members of the Federation are not afraid to tackle big issues, even if they seem so much bigger than we can handle, because we know the power that comes from our individual efforts, collectively focused. I was pleased that our Jernigan Institute building in Baltimore showed the same strong foundation that our organization has across the country. I was even more pleased that no one was hurt in the earthquake and that everyone responded with the resolve and teamwork that is characteristic of our organization. While there is much work to do, we have the confidence to know that we can handle the uncertainty that lies ahead. Here is hoping that each of you have a safe and relaxing end of the summer. [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11057.jpg] Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Featured NFB News [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/Alaska_protest_Web__Small.jpg] Equal Pay for Equal Work Update The National Federation of the Blind successfully conducted over twenty informational protests across the United States to raise awareness about disabled people being paid less than the federal minimum wage. Whenever we tell members of the public about this practice, they are astonished that such a thing could happen in the 21st century. The demonstrations were held on July 26, the twenty-first anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act, at the primary district office locations of United States senators serving on the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (the HELP Committee). The HELP Committee is currently considering legislation-the Workforce Investment Act-which would reauthorize the payment of subminimum wages to disabled workers. Thanks to educational efforts from NFB and other like-minded disability groups, the vote to reaffirm this shocking policy has been postponed indefinitely. For more information on this critically important matter, please read the Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Web page, the resolution passed at the NFB national convention, or the speech "No More Subminimum Wages: The Time is Now!" which was delivered by Dr. Frederic K. Schroeder on July 8, 2011. National Convention If you missed the 2011 NFB National Convention or would like to re-live all of the excitement, access audio of highlights from the convention. The National Federation of the Blind would like to extend a warm thank you to our 2011 National Convention sponsors, especially our title sponsor, eBay, and platinum sponsors, UPS and HumanWare. We appreciate your support of the movement and are grateful for the work you do. [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/ebay_cmyk.gif] [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/12073.gif] [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/12072.gif] [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Education [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/YS2011_student_Web_small.jpg] 2011 NFB Youth Slam During the week of July 18, 2011, 133 blind students invaded Towson University's campus for the third-ever NFB Youth Slam. The students were grouped three to a pod, paired with a blind mentor, and assigned to one of ten tracks. Then they spent their week learning about science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM). The space and the engineering tracks teamed up to build a six-foot-tall geodesic dome, the computer science track programmed iPods, and the robotics track built robots that could play dodge ball. Students also had the opportunity to climb a rock wall, sing karaoke, or play goal ball in the evenings. The students took turns riding in the Blind Driver Challenge(r) vehicle with Mark Riccobono or Anil Lewis at the wheel. Earlier in the day there was a driving demonstration for ABC News. Virginia Tech grad students posted a lot of photos in the Blind Driver Challenge(r) at Youth Slam Facebook album. To learn more about NFB's STEM initiatives for blind youth, follow NFBScience on Twitter. SLAM THAT! Youth Track This summer we facilitated several activities for blind and sighted youth, ages 11 to 18, as a part of the NFB Youth Track at our national convention. The goal of this series of activities was to foster a positive philosophy about blindness among the youth. On Sunday, July 3, students engaged in several activities modeled after popular board games that engaged the students in discussions about blindness. Evening social events included "The Amazing Race" (a fast-paced game at a local mall) and "Minute to Swim It" (a pool party with a lot of silly games). The youth also spent time in sessions where they learned about the Federation and our work. These sessions covered topics such as the organizational structure of the NFB, subminimum wage legislation, what convention resolutions are and why they are important, and a description of the Blind Driver Challenge(r). Computer Science Academy 2011 Do you know a blind teen who is interested in computer science? The Computer Science Academy 2011 is a perfect opportunity for blind youth to learn more about computer science. This two-day program, to be held October 7-8 at the NFB Jernigan Institute, will serve twenty-five blind students in grades seven to eleven and their parents. Applications are due by the end of August. Download an application and learn more about the program at the ImagineIT page or contact Natalie Shaheen for more information. Braille Initiative NFB BELL Program Have you heard the BELLs ringing this summer? Over the last three months, eleven NFB BELL programs have been facilitated in seven states. Blind students across the country spent two weeks getting introduced to Braille or building upon their existing Braille skills. Students spent a great deal of time learning through play and other unconventional activities; as a result they left the program excited about Braille and how being Braille literate can positively impact their lives. The program in Savannah was featured on a local news broadcast-check out this video from WJCL ABC-TV. For more information about the NFB BELL program visit the BELL Web page or contact Natalie Shaheen. Research NFB 2011 Convention Title Sponsor eBay [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/ebay_cmyk.gif] eBay Survey The National Federation of the Blind is interested in online accessibility and improved access to commerce. In that spirit, we are working in partnership with eBay to continuously improve eBay's Web site accessibility and create new business opportunities for blind individuals. Please take a few minutes to provide feedback about your experiences and needs in the realm of Internet shopping (e-commerce). By taking this survey, you are helping eBay continue to improve the accessibility of its site. The link below leads to an online survey that asks questions about your Internet shopping habits. Please make your voice heard. Your opinions are extremely valuable, and your responses are completely confidential and will be analyzed only in combination with those of other participants. Let eBay know how you feel about online accessibility! Give your responses on the survey page. Thank you for contributing to consumer-driven improvements on the Internet. Advocacy Deanna Jones. Photo credit: The Associated Press [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/deanna_jones_Web_small.jpg] Blind Law Student Wins Case On July 5, Deanna Jones, a blind student at Vermont Law School, filed a complaint in federal court against the National Conference of Bar Examiners (NCBE) and ACT, Inc., for violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Ms. Jones was registered to take the Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination (MPRE), which is part of the requirements for obtaining a law license in Vermont. The complaint was filed because the NCBE and ACT, Inc., refused to make the MPRE accessible to Ms. Jones, who is blind and has a learning disability. On August 2, a judge ruled that Ms. Jones be allowed to take the MPRE on a laptop equipped with screen access software. For more information on this important victory for Ms. Jones and for all blind people, please read the Associated Press article "Legally Blind Vermont Law Student Wins 1st Big Case." Straight Talk About Vision Loss Campers use their sense of smell to detect whether a chemical reaction has taken place. Photo credit: Amy Standen for NPR [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/CA_science_campers.jpg] Hoby Wedler is working on his Ph.D. in chemistry at the University of California, Davis. Hoby had been one of the first students in our 2004 Science Academy and he was an instructor at NFB Youth Slam 2011. In April of this year, Hoby coordinated a chemistry camp for blind students in California. Hoby said, "At the camp, ten motivated blind high school students learned exciting ways to do chemistry accessibly from practicing U.C. Davis chemists. Equally important to the actual science, the students learned that their blindness should not hold them back from pursuing careers in any field they care to study. These students loved science and realized that blindness can be a tremendous advantage to chemistry because, as I like to tell people, 'Nobody can see atoms.' Several students came terrified to hold a pipette or test tube and left wanting to pursue careers in science!" NPR Weekend Edition aired a report about the California camp on July 31, 2011, and we invite you to listen to "Blind Teens Tap Into Senses At Chemistry Camp." [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Product and Access Technology Talk On June 26, the NFB Jernigan Institute's access technology team demonstrated devices as exhibitors at the Deaf-Blind Camp's Technology Expo in West River, Maryland. July was national convention month, and it was a busy one. The technology seminar in Orlando covered some really exciting topics: * Accessibility for Androids-a session on finding the accessibility and the barriers in Android-driven devices with Caroline Ragot, Marketing Director at Code Factory * eBook Accessibility-topics covered included Blio, Kindle for PC, Adobe Digital Editions and other platforms that are accessible. The panel consisted of representatives from major content providers and platforms: * James Gashel, Vice President of Business Development, K-NFB Reading Technology, Inc. * Tom Hadfield, Chief Technology Officer, Coursesmart * Rick Johnson, Chief Technology Officer, Ingram Content Group * Matt May, Accessibility Evangelist, Adobe * There's an Accessible App for That, You Know!-a session on making the most of the apps on your phone, including how to use them for productivity, home automation, etc. * How to Build an Accessible Web Site-an introductory session that outlined simple ways to make your Web site accessible and easy to navigate The sessions received enthusiastic response and were very well attended. Also at the national convention, Pearson Publishing hosted an event inviting blind students to provide extensive feedback on their educational (and specifically math) content. We are delighted to report that there was a great deal of interest, and we expect that this ongoing cooperation with the publishing giant will result in better access to educational resources. In November, there is the Accessing Higher Ground conference in Colorado, where the team will be presenting two sessions, one on Tactile Graphics, and one called Beyond Checklists-Promoting Nonvisual Accessibility through Task-based, Firsthand Testing. Accessing Higher Ground, because of its focus on education, is always a great place to network and to hear what the most pressing issues are for accessibility professionals and educators in higher education. In keeping with the focus on STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math), the Access Technology Blog has a post from guest blogger John Gardner, best known as the founder of tactile graphics company ViewPlus, on Access2Science, a collaborative educational source of STEM materials. The site serves blind students, teachers, parents, and anyone else with an interest in the topic. Other posts give some first impressions on the new Mac OS X Lion and deal with Adobe's Digital Editions e-reader. Web Accessibility Training Day The NFB Jernigan Institute and the Maryland Department of Disabilities Technology Assistance Program are pleased to present the second annual Web Accessibility Training Day. On Monday, September 19, we will offer a day-long, in-depth look at how accessible Web content that complies with federal and state regulations is created. There will be a variety of general topic sessions, with afternoon breakout sessions on policy and technical topics. The registration deadline is August 31 and seating is limited, so make sure to book your seat for this exciting event. We will cover, among other things: * How to make the case for accessibility * How to make your site accessible * How to evaluate accessibility * How to keep up with changing regulations We will have speakers from the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), eBay, Blackboard, the U.S. Access Board, Adobe, and many other organizations. For an up-to-the-minute agenda and to register, please visit www.nfb.org/webaccessibility or contact Clara Van Gerven at (410) 659-9314, extension 2410. [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11697.jpg] [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/doit.bmp] [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] From the tenBroek Library Onward with Oral History! On August 10 we were honored by a visit from Frank Kurt Cylke, who recently retired as director of the National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped. Mr. Cylke was kind enough to drive up to the NFB Jernigan Institute from his home in Virginia for an oral history interview. Our conversation with him set two precedents. First, we were able to conduct the interview in the NFB recording studio, the same place where Marc Maurer records his presidential releases. Will Schwatka, our sound engineer, made the facility available and provided first-rate technical support. The result was excellent, and we look forward to Will's cooperation in recording future interviews. This interview was also the first we've done with a sighted person who has worked closely with the Federation in its efforts to change what it means to be blind. Our future oral history interviews will continue to include such people, as well as blind people with stories to tell. [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/KJ_and__FKC_Web_small.jpg] Frank Kurt Cylke's first encounter with the NFB occurred in 1971, when-with three years' experience at the Library of Congress-he was appointed to head the NLS. One of his earliest tasks was to restore relations with Kenneth Jernigan, relations that had been damaged by insensitivity on the part of Mr. Cylke's predecessor. Impressed by Dr. Jernigan's forcefulness and charisma, Mr. Cylke quickly understood that regular contact with the NFB would be important if he were to succeed in meeting the NLS mission. Our interview covered everything from his family background, to his hobbies, to his successes in guiding the NLS through forty years of great changes in the technologies of libraries for the blind. We hope to make portions of this interview available on the NFB Web site before too long. Meanwhile we urge you to take a look at one of the best examples of cooperation between the NLS and the organized blind, the collection of essays published in 2000 under the title Braille into the Next Millennium, which is available in Web-Braille and talking book formats to eligible NLS readers. And please remember, the Jernigan Institute is always interested in receiving recordings and transcripts of oral history interviews. Think of who in your chapter or affiliate might have memories that ought to be recorded, get hold of a recording device, and proceed. For help in preparing for the interview, tenBroek Library staff members have developed a guide to oral history interviewing. And if you have someone in mind but are unable to conduct the interview yourself, we also invite Imagineering Our Future readers to bring these potential oral history subjects to our attention. We will do what we can to arrange an interview with a Jernigan Institute staff member or another Federationist. Independence Market Newly designed white cane [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/7-section_cane.png] The NFB Independence Market was open for business during the national convention this past July, and many convention attendees took the opportunity to examine the products we have to offer. One of the popular items this year was our new seven-section, carbon fiber, folding white cane. This well-balanced, lightweight cane designed for us by Chris Park features an easy grip handle as well as the NFB metal glide tip. At this time the cane is available in sizes ranging from 55 to 61 inches in two-inch increments, and it costs $40.00 plus shipping and handling. The NFB was instrumental in pioneering the use of longer white canes as well as the use of canes by very young blind children. Recently we have been working with Chris Park to improve the design of our long white canes. As a result, we are phasing in new straight fiberglass, straight carbon fiber, and telescoping carbon fiber canes. We are looking forward to an ongoing collaboration with Mr. Park, so that we can continue on the improvement of the design of our white canes. For more information or to place an order for white canes or other products, please contact the NFB Independence Market via e-mail or by phone at (410) 659-9314, extension 2216, Monday-Friday 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. eastern time. [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Parent Outreach Laura Weber and Lindsay Adair. Photo credit: Jimmy Loyd for the Houston Chronicle [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/Lindsay_Adair.jpg] An article was published August 10 in the Houston Chronicle featuring National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC) President Laura Weber and her daughter Lindsay Adair. Read "Her Vision is for Blind Daughter to Enjoy a Normal Life" and learn how Laura started out a NASA bioengineer and became the NOPBC president and about her daughter Lindsay's interests and plans for the future. [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Spotlight on the Imagination Fund The Imagination Fund builds programs of the National Federation of the Blind at the national, state, and local levels. The success of the Imagination Fund and the programs it makes possible is due to the efforts of blind and sighted men and women in communities across the nation. These supporters of the Imagination Fund are called "Imaginators," and they make an annual commitment to spread the word about the NFB Jernigan Institute and help to raise funds for our programs and initiatives. Denise Avant holding her Imaginator of the Year Award [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/Denise_Avant_holding_award_Web_small.jpg] The Imaginator of the Year Award was created to recognize the exceptional efforts of our most dedicated and successful Imaginators. This year on July 5, 2011, Denise Avant was presented the National Federation of the Blind Imaginator of the Year Award for her outstanding work in raising funds for the 2010-2011 Race for Independence. Denise speaks passionately about her involvement, "The Imagination Fund is so very important. It helps fund programs like Braille Enrichment for Literacy and Learning, the BELL program. Raising funds for programs like the BELL program benefits so many people." Denise raised over $2,000 from eighty different people. When asked how she was able to reach so many donors she said, "I explained to people that I am a member of the NFB and about how we foster a sense of independence for the blind, and how important our work is, and people would want to give and know more about the NFB." In becoming an Imaginator, Denise used her time and talent to make a difference and help change what it means to be blind. You can, too-become an Imaginator and get involved in the Race for Independence. [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] NFB Calendar July 6, 2011 The 100th anniversary of the birth of Dr. Jacobus tenBroek. The July 2011 Braille Monitor issue is devoted to writings about the life and work of Dr. tenBroek, including never-before-published personal correspondence. The Fall Convention Season The yearly meetings of NFB's state affiliates cluster in the fall and spring. The following states meet in August and September: West Virginia, South Carolina, Arizona, North Carolina, Montana, New York, and Kentucky. To look up when other state annual meetings occur, see the state conventions page on the NFB's Web site. September 19, 2011 Web Accessibility Training Day, presented by the NFB and the Maryland Department of Disabilities Technology Assistance Program at the NFB Jernigan Institute. October 2011 Meet the Blind Month, a campaign conducted by NFB chapters throughout the country every October. We challenge you to participate in innovative and unique meet-and-greet events in your local community this year. For information, contact Melissa Kobelinski. October 7-8, 2011 Computer Science Academy, presented by the NFB and the Rochester Institute of Technology at the NFB Jernigan Institute. [http://www.marchforindependence.org/images/content/pagebuilder/11499.gif] Citation The remarkable story of a blind man and the guide dog that led him and dozens of others to safety just moments before the World Trade Center crumbled nearly 10 years ago has become an instant best-seller. Thunder Dog: The True Story of a Blind Man, His Guide Dog & the Triumph of Trust at Ground Zero made its debut on the vaunted New York Times bestseller list this week in its first week of release. -"Blind 9/11 Survivor's Story an Instant New York Times Bestseller," PR Newswire, August 22, 2011 Back to Top Thank you for reading the NFB Jernigan Institute's Imagineering Our Future. 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Forward this newsletter. If this issue was forwarded to you and you'd like to subscribe, please e-mail JerniganInstitute at nfb.org. Unsubscribe from receiving email, or change your email preferences. [http://www.raceforindependence.org/images/powered_by_convio.gif] nonprofit software From rumpole at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 25 16:42:35 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:42:35 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] 4 postings, DOJ & U.S. Atty offices Message-ID: * Deputy Chief Public Integrity Section Criminal Division U.S. Department of Justice Washington, DC 11-CRM-PIN-040 Submissions must be post-marked or received by September 24, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-crm-pin-040.htm ] * Uncompensated Special Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Southern District of California 11-SDCA-SAUSA-03 Application materials must be postmarked by the deadline date of September 2, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-sdca-sausa-03.htm ] * Special Assistant United States Attorney (SAUSA)(Serves Without Compensation)United States Attorney's Office Western District of Wisconsin Vacancy Announcement Number: 11-WDWI-07 All required documents must be received by Friday, September 9, 2011, although applications received after that date may be considered until the position is filled. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/sausavacanen-wdwicrm.htm ] * Special Assistant United States Attorney (SAUSA)(Serves Without Compensation)United States Attorney's Office Western District of Wisconsin Vacancy Announcement Number: 11-WDWI-06 All required documents must be received by Friday, September 9, 2011, although applications received after that date may be considered until the position is filled. 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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Aug 25 23:30:43 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:30:43 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Virtual Forum on Improving Access to Federal IT to be Held September 8, DBTAC Message-ID: Link: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-08-18/html/2011-21144.htm Text: [Federal Register Volume 76, Number 160 (Thursday, August 18, 2011)] [Notices] [Pages 51345-51346] >From the Federal Register Online via the Government Printing Office [www.gpo.gov] [FR Doc No: 2011-21144] ======================================================================= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ARCHITECTURAL AND TRANSPORTATION BARRIERS COMPLIANCE BOARD On Behalf of the Accessibility Committee of the Federal Chief Information Officers Council; Listening Session Regarding Improving the Accessibility of Government Information AGENCY: Federal Chief Information Officers Council, Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board. ACTION: Notice of meeting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY: This notice announces a listening session that the Federal Chief Information Officers Council will be conducting to hear from the public on ways the federal government can take stronger steps toward improving the acquisition and implementation of accessible technology for people with disabilities. In order to better understand the needs of diverse communities, the Federal Chief Information Officers Council, in collaboration with the Chief Acquisition Officers Council, the General Services Administration Office of Governmentwide Policy, and the U.S. Access Board, will hold a virtual listening session, where participants may either call in or log onto a Web site to participate and express concerns and propose ideas. DATES: The listening session will be held on September 8, 2011 from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. Eastern Time (E.T.). ADDRESSES: The listening session will be held by telephone and online. Instructions on how to participate are at: http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/session-instructions.htm. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Tim Creagan, Office of Technical and Information Services, Architectural and Transportation Barriers Compliance Board, 1331 F Street, NW., Suite 1000, Washington, DC 20004- 1111. Telephone (202) 272-0016 (voice) or (202) 272-0074 (TTY). e-mail address board.gov">creagan at access-board.gov. SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: In 1998, Congress amended the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 to require Federal agencies to make their electronic and information technology accessible to people with disabilities. Inaccessible technology interferes with an ability to obtain and use information quickly and easily. Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act (29 U.S.C. 794d) was created to eliminate barriers in information technology, open new opportunities for people with disabilities, and encourage development of technologies that will help achieve these goals. The law applies to all federal agencies when they develop, procure, maintain, or use electronic and information technology. Under Section 508, agencies must give employees with disabilities and members of the public with disabilities access to information that is comparable to access available to others without disabilities. Effective implementation of Section 508 is an essential element of President Obama's principles of open government, requiring that all government and data be accessible to all citizens. In order for the goal of open government to be meaningful for persons with disabilities, technology must also be accessible, including digital content. On July 19, 2010, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) took steps to assure that the Federal government's progress in implementing Section 508 is stronger and achieves results more quickly by releasing a memorandum to agencies, titled ``Improving the Accessibility of Government Information'' (see http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/procurement_memo/improving_accessibility_gov_info_07192010.pdf). The OMB has directed that a series of listening sessions be held to gain feedback on ways to improve Section 508 performance. The Federal Chief Information Officers Council, in collaboration with the Chief Acquisition Officers Council, the General Services Administration Office of Governmentwide Policy, and the U.S. Access Board, have held four listening sessions to engage citizens and federal employees and hear their concerns and ideas. Transcripts from the previous listening sessions can be found on the Federal Chief Information Officers Council Accessibility Committee webpage (http://www.cio.gov/pages.cfm/page/Listening-Sessions). This final listening session will be a virtual session, where participants may either call in or log onto a website to participate. The listening session will focus on what steps the federal government can take to increase the accessibility and usability of government information and data for persons with disabilities. Input from private industry is sought on the following questions: What is private industry doing to implement information technology (IT) accessibility that the federal government should follow? How can implementation of Section 508 be improved? What could the federal government ask for that would allow vendors to better show that their products meet accessibility provisions? What support do newly emerging technology companies need to build in accessibility in their product and service offerings? Input is also sought on the following questions: What can the federal government do to use technology better or in new ways? What can the federal government do to make technology more accessible? What emerging technologies does the federal government use that you cannot? What technologies should the federal government use that would enhance your interactions with government agencies? What are state and local governments doing to implement information technology accessibility that the federal government should follow? [[Page 51346]] What is academia doing to implement IT accessibility that the federal government should follow? What can the federal government do to influence technology accessibility? What can the federal government do to support the availability of effective communities of practice on IT accessibility? Would the IT industry benefit from a professional certification or credential that denotes a company's expertise in accessibility? If so, how could it be implemented and what role should the government play? Feedback from the listening session will be used by, and shared across agencies to improve accessibility and usability of electronic and information technology. The listening session will be accessible. Computer assisted real-time transcription (CART) will be provided. Persons wishing to participate in the virtual listening session can either call in and speak their comments over the telephone or go online and type them on the afternoon of the listening session. Callers should dial 1-877-939-0745 and then enter 51300082 to join the session; callers must use a touch-tone telephone. Persons going online should go to the Access Board's Web site at http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/session-instructions.htm for instructions. David M. Capozzi, Executive Director. [FR Doc. 2011-21144 Filed 8-17-11; 8:45 am] BILLING CODE 8150-01-P From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Aug 25 23:33:40 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:33:40 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] "Section 508 - The Basics", DBTAC webinar, September 1, 2011 Message-ID: Link: http://www.accessibilityonline.org/Schedule/#nextSession Text: September 1st, 2011 "Section 508 - The Basics" Available for registration, link: http://www.accessibilityonline.org/Registration/ Submit A Question for upcoming session, link: http://www.accessibilityonline.org/Pre-SessionQuestions Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act Amendments requires that when Federal departments or agencies develop, procure, maintain, or use electronic and information technology, they must ensure that the technology is accessible to federal employees and members of the general public with disabilities, unless an undue burden would be imposed on the department or agency. Do you know what types of electronic and information technology is covered by Section 508? Do you have questions about how to comply with the standards? If so, this is the session for you! While the Board is presently involved with updating these standards, this session will focus on providing a basic overview of the current standards. A question and answer session will be provided at the conclusion of the session. Presenters: Tim Creagan, link: http://www.accessibilityonline.org/Speakers/#creagan Senior Accessibility Specialist/Information Technology US Access Board Bruce Bailey, link: http://www.accessibilityonline.org/Speakers/#bailey_bruce Accessibility Specialist Continuing Education Recognition Available: Certificate of Attendance (Free) UI CEU (free) : 0.15 Credits Text: Webinar to Review Section 508 Basics The next scheduled webinar in the Board's free monthly series will take place September 1 from 2:30 - 4:00 (ET) and review Section 508 requirements for accessible electronic and information technology in the federal sector. Board presenters will explain the scope of the law and technologies covered and provide an overview of the Board's existing Section 508 standards. For more information, including registration instructions, visit link: www.accessibilityonline.org Archived copies of previous Board webinars can be accessed on this site. From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Fri Aug 26 12:36:31 2011 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 08:36:31 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Issues Related To Forthcoming Storm And Assistance Dogs In-Reply-To: <001801cc637c$5d840750$4001a8c0@Sarah> References: <001801cc637c$5d840750$4001a8c0@Sarah> Message-ID: <5F7E6855B3549A4096D6B30DCADC2D045D80742FFA@PL-EMSMB4.ees.hhs.gov> Greetings: Emergency Assistance Thanks to Guide Dog Users, Inc. for creating this fund. The Maryland Area Guide Dog Users, Inc. did prove to be a pioneer in creating this kind of fund many years ago, i.e. we created a fund for emergency medical care related expenses. For residents of Maryland, please contact the Sheehan who are copied or included above or Vanessa who is also copied or included above for more information. Unfortunately, this fund still has not been expanded beyond just members of MAGDU; however, I do hope that, for humanitarian purposes, NAGDU members will be considered as well. That being said, the financial capitalization of the fund is still low. Be Safe, Prepare Residents of the MidAtlantic region should start preparing today, perhaps have started preparing yesterday, to have the ability to care for your guide dog for three days, i.e. food, water, etc. Supplies should be organized and be ready to be taken with you in the circumstance there is an evacuation, i.e. a "to-go kit". Civil Rights Presuming that I am squared away, then assistance dog handlers in the MidAtlantic region can telephone me should they encounter access issues at shelters. As long as my own family and I are safe, I am pleased to be of assistance via telephone with you and the shelter. To the extent there are access rights for trainers of assistance dogs or the puppy raisers of guide dogs, that is determined under state law and on a state-by-state basis. Be safe. Sincerely, Gary C. Norman, L.L.M. From: GDUI-LEADERS at yahoogroups.com [mailto:GDUI-LEADERS at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Calhoun Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:12 PM To: gdui board Cc: gdui-lEADERS at yahoogroups.com Subject: [GDUI-LEADERS] Financial assistance for GDUI members affected by a disaster Hello GDUI members, We hope everyone in the path of the upcoming hurricane, will be alright. We all will be thinking of you and praying no one is effected. In the event any GDUI member is impacted by the upcoming hurricane or any other disaster, and is in need of emergency financial assistance to feed, take care, etc. for their working guide dog, GDUI has recently developed the Emergency Disaster Financial Assistance (EDFA) program. You can read the details and qualifications on our website: www.gdui.org Go to the link to the "Emergency Disaster Fund". How to Contact GDUI EDFA Volunteer Staff: Applicants and/or those assisting the applicant can call Jane Sheehan, Office Manager/Treasurer: 1-866-799-8436 option 1 from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time or email requests to: treasurer at gdui.org Be safe, let us know how you are doing. Sarah Calhoun, EDFA Chair [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group The opinions expressed in this message are solely the views of the individual who posted it, and they do not reflect the viewpoints of GDUI or its list moderators. GDUI encourages discussion about guide dogs and issues related to guide dogs, but does not necessarily endorse the individual viewpoints posted in any particular message appearing on this list. 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Kind regards Ger -- Best wishes Gerard Sadlier From rumpole at roadrunner.com Fri Aug 26 22:17:27 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:17:27 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] 2 overseas DOJ attorney postings Message-ID: <4E49137C6A1747F593936A6305F54486@none8a46117901> * U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division Overseas Prosecutorial Development, Assistance and Training Anti-Corruption Resident Legal Advisor Trial Attorney, GS-0905-14/15 11-CRM-DET-039 Applications for this position should be submitted by August 31, 2011. However, this announcement will remain open until the position is filled. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-crm-det-039.htm ] * Experienced Attorney, GS-905-14/15 U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division Office of Overseas Prosecutorial Development, Assistance and Training Resident Legal Advisor in Bamako, Mali 11-CRM-DET-036 Applications for this position will be accepted until this position is filled. 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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Aug 26 23:20:25 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:20:25 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Research and Writing Specialist, Federal Public Defender - Seattle Message-ID: From: fangseattle at googlegroups.com [mailto:fangseattle at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daquiz, Abigail - SOL Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:01 PM To: fangseattle at googlegroups.com Subject: [fangs] Position Announcement - Research and Writing Specialist, Federal Public Defender - Seattle A rare opening at the Federal Public Defender! ________________________________ From: Becky Fish [mailto:Becky_Fish at fd.org] Subject: Position Announcement - Research and Writing Specialist, Federal Public Defender - Seattle Hello Federal Bar Association Members, Copied below is a position announcement for our current opening for a Research and Writing Specialist in the Seattle office of the Federal Public Defender. This information is also available on our website (www.wawfpd.org). We will accept applications for this position until September 30th, 2011. Please submit all application materials by US Mail to the address listed below. Thank Your, Becky Becky Fish Administrative Assistant Federal Public Defender Western District of Washington (206) 553-1100 POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT RESEARCH AND WRITING SPECIALIST POSITION #: 2011-2-ATTY ANNOUNCED: August 25, 2011 CLOSES: September 30, 2011 The Federal Public Defender Office for the Western District of Washington, operating under authority of the Criminal Justice Act, 18 U.S.C. 3006A to provide defense services in federal criminal matters in the federal courts, is seeking a Research and Writing Specialist. Applicants must be law school graduates, who have been admitted to and are in good standing with their state bars. A minimum of two years of legal experience and knowledge of criminal law is required. Experience in habeas law and handling federal criminal cases is strongly preferred. The Research and Writing Specialist will provide legal research and writing services to the Defender and Assistant Defenders in support of representations for indigent defendants in federal court. These services will require computer assisted legal research, development of legal strategies, drafting of motions, briefs, petitions for certiorari and legal memoranda. The selection criteria will consider the following areas: * a commitment to the representation of the indigent accused, * an established capacity or a demonstrated aptitude of excellence in criminal defense practice, * a commitment to personal and professional integrity, * an established capacity of effective communication with clients, witnesses, colleagues, staff and court personnel, * an established capacity for timely completion of assignments and projects, * an established capacity for independent and collaborative work. This job is based in the Seattle office and is contingent on federal funding. It is full-time position with federal salary based on qualifications and experience. The salary range is $50, 628 to $155,500. The salary will be based on education and experience consistent with federal guidelines and regulations. The position is subject to mandatory Electronic Funds Transfer (direct deposit) and includes federal benefits. Employment will be considered provisional pending the successful outcome of a background fingerprint check. Federal Public Defender attorneys may not engage in the private practice of law. Further information about the job and the office is available at http://wawfpd.org. Applications for this position need to contain a letter of interest, resume, and two work references (including names, addresses and telephone numbers). Applications will only be accepted if submitted by U.S. Mail to: Thomas W. Hillier, II Federal Public Defender Attn: Human Resources 1601 Fifth Avenue, Suite 700 Seattle, WA 98101 NO TELEPHONE OR E-MAIL INQUIRIES PLEASE. The Federal Public Defender is an equal opportunity employer. -- You received this message because you are a federal agency attorney and subscribed to the FANGS group. To SEND A MESSAGE to this group, email to fangseattle at googlegroups.com. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, email fangseattle+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fangseattle?hl=en From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Aug 29 16:08:54 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:08:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [Jobs] Legal Writer Needed Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Everett Gavel Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:28 AM To: 'Robert D. Campbell' Cc: jobs at nfbnet.org Subject: [Jobs] Legal Writer Needed FYI, Everett -----original message----- LEGAL WRITER NEEDED Solo lawyer needs help writing bills of particulars and related legal paperwork. Self starting and productive is essential. Prior experience helpful Compensation: up to $15 per hour to start Reply to: Nitex7 at aol.com _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Aug 30 15:42:21 2011 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:42:21 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: DRC AMA Job Announcement Message-ID: From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 5:02 AM To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG Subject: FW: DRC AMA Job Announcement Job in Los Angeles, CA. William J. Phelan, IV, Esq. Special Projects & Technology Coordinator ABA Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law T: 202-662-1576 william.phelan at americanbar.org http://www.americanbar.org/disability Notice: The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have received this e-mail in error, or are not its intended recipient, please: do not print, copy, or distribute in any way the above message or its attachments; delete this e-mail from your computer; and inform the sender of this error. Thank you. ________________________________ From: Autumn Elliott Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:52 PM To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [DRBA] DRC AMA Job Announcement The Los Angeles regional office of Disability Rights California is seeking an experienced attorney to fill an Associate Managing Attorney position. Please see the attached announcement and job description for more details. Application deadline is Sept. 9 to be considered for a first-round interview. 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Name: AMA LA Job Desc 8-11.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 38132 bytes Desc: AMA LA Job Desc 8-11.docx URL: From rumpole at roadrunner.com Tue Aug 30 20:45:54 2011 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:45:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] 3 Attorney postings, CA - PA-VA Message-ID: * Attorney-Advisor Federal Bureau of Prisons Northeast Regional Office (Consolidated Legal Center) Philadelphia, Pennsylvania GS-905-12/13/14 This position is open until filled, but no later than September 4, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/fbop-atty-adv-phila.htm ] * Special Assistant United States Attorney (Serves Without Compensation) United States Attorney's Office Western District of Virginia Vacancy Announcement # 11-WDVA-SAUSA-04 Position is open until filled. [ http://www..justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-wdva-sausa-04.htm ] * Assistant United States Attorney - Civil Division United States Attorney's Office Northern District of California Vacancy Announcement # 11-NDCA-E-06 Positions are opened until filled; however, resumes will only be accepted until September 12, 2011. [ http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-ndca-e-06.htm ] Ross A. Doerr Esquire Admitted to Practice in Maine and New Hampshire F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H. From LBlake at nfb.org Wed Aug 31 14:42:29 2011 From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 07:42:29 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Save the date--2012 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Message-ID: Dear Friend: I am pleased to announce that plans are well underway for the 2012 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium, "Disability Identity in the Disability Rights Movement." Mark your calendar to attend the Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium at the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute on April 19-20, 2012. The symposium will conclude at approximately 12:30 PM on Friday, April 20. Be sure to visit the law symposium Web page at http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Law_Symposium.asp during the coming months for agenda, registration, and hotel information. You will also find links to recordings of the 2008 through 2011 symposia on this Web page. Papers from the 2011 symposium will be published by the Texas Journal on Civil Liberties and Civil Rights. To view online the full text articles from the 2008 symposium volume or to purchase the 2009 symposium volume, go to http://www.utexas.edu/law/publications/issn/tjclcr/tjclcr_info.html. I look forward to seeing you on April 19-20, 2012 at the Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium. Be sure to save the date! With best regards, Lou Ann Lou Ann Blake, J.D. Law Symposium Coordinator Jacobus tenBroek Library Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221 Fax: (410) 659-5129 E-mail: lblake at nfb.org Web site: www.nfb.org Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. From AZNOR99 at aol.com Wed Aug 31 23:00:02 2011 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [blindlaw] News Story about Blind Federal Prosecutor Yusef Dale Message-ID: <2e81e.72b62479.3b9016f2@aol.com> _http://www.wgntv.com/news/coverstory/wgntv-cover-story-yusef-dale-aug29,0,2 171165.story_ (http://www.wgntv.com/news/coverstory/wgntv-cover-story-yusef-dale-aug29,0,2171165.story)