From shaunreim at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 21:35:46 2011
From: shaunreim at gmail.com (Shaun Reimers)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 15:35:46 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: job opening - King County Superior Court -
	Dependency CASA Program Manager
In-Reply-To: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064F3ABC8@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
References: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064F3ABC8@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <08DC8D23-5BC5-4F04-AF7D-20B7AEC515A3@gmail.com>

Perfect job for me. Read qualifications...

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 30, 2011, at 3:29 PM, "Nightingale, Noel" <Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov> wrote:

> 
> 
> From: Hullett, Judith [mailto:Judith.Hullett at kingcounty.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:27 PM
> To: Hullett, Judith
> Subject: job opening - King County Superior Court - Dependency CASA Program Manager
> 
> Good afternoon,
> 
> You are receiving this email as an officer of a specialty bar association.  The attached job announcement is for King County Superior Court's Dependency CASA Program Manager position.  We are seeking qualified applicants for the attached job and are asking that you please distribute this to your organization's members.
> 
> Please be advised that the position is posted on and applications are processed through www.governmentjobs.com<http://www.governmentjobs.com>
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Judy Hullett, MPA, PHR
> King County Superior Court
> Sr. Human Resources Analyst
> *206-296-9298
> 6206-205-8271
> judith.hullett at kingcounty.gov<mailto:judith.hullett at kingcounty.gov>
> 
> <Dependency CASA Mgr 06-30-11.docx>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul  1 21:46:31 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 17:46:31 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney posting - anti-trust division
Message-ID: <7091DA8D905C48CFB0934F8638A3E796@none8a46117901>

  * TRIAL ATTORNEYS (GS-0905-15) U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ANTITRUST DIVISION Applications must be received no later than July 15, 2011 http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/e11-02-005nyfotlss.htm 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jul  2 05:41:47 2011
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 22:41:47 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind person as a witness question
In-Reply-To: <D60223A02238406F975B8E067B606EA5@owner1b4ab732f>
References: <D60223A02238406F975B8E067B606EA5@owner1b4ab732f>
Message-ID: <FFA11CC18CEB434286722DCCD731CF90@spike>

in most instances the documents can be read to him and he can then be asked 
about the content of the documents.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tammy Cantrell" <t.l.cantrell at comcast.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind person as a witness question


> Hello,
> I need info.  I have a blind person that has to be in court.  He has to 
> read and verify documents to be submitted into evidence.  Are there 
> reasonable accommodations for this situation?  The person does not have 
> the portable technology to use.  If he borrows something, he isn't going 
> to be proficient with it.  His testamony is required because he is the 
> person that filed the complaint.  I doubt I could help him since I am on 
> the witness list.  If you have any suggestions, please share them with me. 
> This is very important.
>
> Thanks!
> _______________________________________________
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From kolby12091988 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 02:42:54 2011
From: kolby12091988 at gmail.com (Kolby Garrison)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 22:42:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography
Message-ID: <CAHog7eeE4triO3Rb5FfPDKugeJCXrbaPbQSLXKonwnPxVO3mDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,
My name is Kolby, and I am a prospective stenography student. I am
totally blind, and I am looking to connect with blind people who are
working in the stenography field. I am wondering if anyone knows of
any blind stenographers, court reporters, scopists, transcriptionists,
captioners, etc?
Thank you,
Kolby


From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Jul  7 19:30:20 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 15:30:20 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney Posting - criminal - overseas prosecution -
	central America
Message-ID: <9F00A8DDAECA4B38A6F38E08C67D6B3A@none8a46117901>

  * EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY, GS-905-14/15 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, CRIMINAL DIVISION OFFICE OF OVERSEAS PROSECUTORIAL DEVELOPMENT, ASSISTANCE AND TRAINING REGIONAL LEGAL ADVISOR FOR CENTRAL AMERICA REIMBURSABLE DETAIL OPPORTUNITY 11-CRM-DET-032 Applications for this position will be accepted until the position is filled. http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-crm-det-032.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul 10 04:29:53 2011
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 21:29:53 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Blind Would-be Law Student Says Test
	Discriminates -NPR
In-Reply-To: <91AAF0CBEF90432EA524A8EA85C170D2@elizabethrene>
References: <91AAF0CBEF90432EA524A8EA85C170D2@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <03AC9614A4F14A69880D9D9864D258F5@spike>

you make some good points. Although I didn't go to law school I took the 
LSAT in about 1974 with an amanuensis as you did. and I took it mainly to 
find out what it was like. My score was fair the problem being that I did 
not have adequate time to prepare for the test as it was during a full-time 
internship with a court. Subsequently my career goals changed as a result of 
the internship which led me more in the direction of Social work at that 
time. The point is that at time and for many years prior to that there have 
been many blind law students and judges. I know several at that time that 
graduated from top tier law schools and did very well in spite of the LSAT 
guidelines. To play "the Devil's advocate" here perhaps having to 
individually deal with these factors gives the blind law school applicant 
preparation for functioning in the real world practice of law where lawyers 
have to use their own ingenuity and resources whether they are blind or 
sighted. Do we with all of this accommodation actually in some ways do a 
disservice to ourselves as legal professionals by not being adequately 
prepared to address these issues. When I made a career change and attended a 
paralegal studies program at a community college they never had a blind 
student enrolled and while the community college provided many services to 
disabled students the program chair as well as college disabled services 
staff were surprised how I totally took charge of the situation only 
requiring readers for test taking. Granted it was much easier this time when 
in school compared to the 70's and 80's when getting bachelor's and master's 
degrees due to the availability of on line resources and OCR software for 
reading printed material but there was a certain sense of accomplishment for 
blind students in earlier days as they had to develop a greater degree of 
ingenuity to succeed not only in school but in the real world of employment.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 8:22 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Blind Would-be Law Student Says Test 
Discriminates -NPR


>I too am appalled that aspiring law students are hindered in their efforts
> to gain law school admission by the structure of the LSAT and by the
> conditions on which the test is given and interpreted.
>
> But something about the NPR article bothers me, and it jumps up to bite me
> right in the first paragraph.
>
> Are blind college grads really getting low LSAT scores because they are
> invited to draw diagrams for themselves in order to ease their approach to
> complex questions?  Or is that just something an uninitiated reporter
> gleaned from a complex interview in hopes of reaching the general public?
>
> Only well into the article did I read that law schools are still warned 
> that
> an LSAT test taken with reasonable accommodations has questionable 
> validity,
> and that top-tier schools decline an option to disregard the LSAT
> altogether.
>
> Granted, one would think that the validity of standardized academic 
> aptitude
> test scores earned under the tightly controlled conditions on which 
> specific
> accommodations have been granted over the past 50 years or so should have
> been proven by now.  If not, why not?  And if there are pictures or 
> diagrams
> in the test questions themselves that can't be replicated tactilely for 
> blind
> students, why is that so?
>
> But if the whole thrust of a blind person's argument for higher education 
> or
> employment is that he or she can find alternate means to solve a sighted
> person's problems, why should that blind test-taker balk at being invited 
> to
> draw a picture to help him or her think more clearly?
>
> That diagram's only for ordinary people.
>
> If one doesn't think visually, noone can make him do that for a test.
>
> And what about this concern about top-tier law schools?  Didn't Jacobus
> Tenbroek graduate from UC Berkeley's Boalt Hall?  Or was it Stanford?
> Didn't the NFB's own Peggy Pinder get her JD from Harvard or Yale?  What 
> did
> they do with the LSAT?
>
> I took the LSAT in early 1975.  I had to wait three years from leaving
> college for permission to take it in Braille, with an amanuensis to write
> the answers.  The dreaded warning went with my scores.  But I got accepted
> by three of the six law schools I applied to, and waiting listed by the
> other three.  Had my undergraduate grades been better, those other schools
> might have accepted me, too.
>
> After law school, I got to do the work I wanted.  And I had to deal with
> visual evidence, and to make visual evidence understandable to juries and 
> to
> appellate judges every day.  And as every lawyer knows, this had to be 
> done
> in an adversary setting.
>
> Yes, I agree that the LSAT, the GRE, and other such tests have to be made
> more accessible so as not to discriminate unlawfully.
>
> But maybe they're a wake-up call to those who might be confronted for the
> first time with what they'll encounter on the job.  And maybe that second-
> or third-tier law school, with a fat scholarship for those who excel, 
> might
> not look so bad.
>
> One great thing about there being more and more of us blind lawyers and
> other professionals is that no one needs to pull blind test-taking and
> lawyering skills from the air.  They've already been learned, and they can
> be shared.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul 10 06:20:14 2011
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 23:20:14 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Mac Users Out There?
In-Reply-To: <008101cc2ec0$ad9d7dc0$6b01a8c0@server>
References: <4dfd79f3.6a4eec0a.1db4.203f@mx.google.com>	<401C74C4484940A383C7841AE633E075@D3J75Z91><004a01cc2e98$ae2b9420$6b01a8c0@server><001101cc2e9b$bdf79630$39e6c290$@wiennergould.com><2F37C39C-5507-4822-95C7-37F2FC16CA74@sbcglobal.net>
	<008101cc2ec0$ad9d7dc0$6b01a8c0@server>
Message-ID: <46C2B5F8BC3947969585BB3CE14EA6B1@spike>

I'm running behind on emails but it would also be interesting to know how 
various types of specific legal software such as calendaring, case 
management programs and other software interfaces with the Mac.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Mac Users Out There?


> Hello Mark and everyone,
>
> It will be very helpful for us to hear from blind users who have real 
> world experience using the Mac.  I have just spent a month upgrading to 
> Windows 7 as a result of needing new server hardware, and we are still 
> limping along with less functionality than before the upgrade. The cost to 
> me in lost time, lost functionality, decreased efficiency of my employees 
> and myself, and the cost of paying my employees salaries while they figure 
> out how to do their work in this new and unfamiliar environment is totally 
> unwarranted. As a result I have decided that we will be moving to a Mac or 
> Linux solution, and I am hopeful that it can be the Mac using voiceover. 
> Since one of my objectives is to eliminate Windows based programs from my 
> office if possible, I am not interested in using bootcamp or fusion. If 
> you could tell us about the programs you have used with voiceover, and 
> which have worked well and which have not, it would be very valuable.
>
> As attorneys we more often than not work with M.S. Word files, though I do 
> not think that this means we must use M.S. Word or office.  Which Apple 
> Mac word processors have you used with voiceover, and are they able to 
> open, work with, and then save files in Word format?
>
> Next, I would be curious to know which Apple Mac email programs are 
> provided with or can be purchased with the Mac, and how well they work 
> with Voiceover.  How easy is it to save attachments with these programs, 
> and how easy is it to create folders and move messages into them from the 
> inbox.
>
> Next, which web browsers are provided or available for the Mac using 
> Voiceover, and what are their pros and cons when compared to IE or 
> Firebox?
>
> Have you had any experience with backup software for the Mac, since this 
> is very important for a law firm?
>
> For those of us who are blind, optical character recognition software has 
> become an important part of our accessibility arsenal. I was pleased to 
> learn this morning that ABBY Finereader has a version of their OCR 
> software for the Mac called Abby Express.  I use ABBYY frequently on our 
> Windows machines, so this removes a big obstacle when considering whether 
> or not to move to the Mac. Have you had any experience with this program 
> or any other OCR software on the Mac?  The only criticism that I saw about 
> ABBY Express, was that it uses a twain interface, which is apparently not 
> standard on the Mac.  Other than that, users thought it did an excellent 
> job on optical character recognition.
>
> Have you read or scanned books on the Mac, and if so, what scanner and 
> software do you use?  I do most of my reading with Kurzweil under Windows, 
> because I like many of its  features such as that both lines and pages can 
> be of any length, and are not artificially imposed as is the case with 
> most word processors such as M.S. Word.  This is particularly important 
> for reading books, where one must know their actual location in a book to 
> create accurate citations.  Additionally, I find Kurzweil's multilevel 
> bookmark system to be very helpful when reading case documents and 
> pleadings.  I have been hoping that  Kurzweil would make a Mac version 
> available, but I have heard nothing to suggest that this might happen.
>
> I want to thank Mark and others for reading this lengthy email, and I 
> would really appreciate hearing your thoughts.
>
> All the best,
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Mac Users Out There?
>
>
>>I use a mac for almost everything, for what it's worth.  I offer tutoring 
>>services (write of list) or will just answer questions if I can. I'm not a 
>>lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but I use a Mac and like it MUCH better 
>>than the PC.
>>
>> Mark BurningHawk
>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>> Namaste!
>>
>>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 11 20:33:39 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:33:39 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney job posting
Message-ID: <31512D5015C44BA8B54FCEAA80E3FE07@none8a46117901>



  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE OF LEGAL AND VICTIM PROGRAMS ATTORNEY ADVISOR GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 11-EOUSA-009 Closing date July 25, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-eousa-009.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From cannona at fireantproductions.com  Mon Jul 11 22:24:08 2011
From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:24:08 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
Message-ID: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

I am rather frustrated, and I'm wondering if folks can offer any input
on a situation I am having.

I recently had a job interview that I feel went very well.  The
employer seemed reasonably impressed by my qualifications, and seemed
to have no issue with my blindness.  As part of the hiring process,
they asked me to take a PHP test (PHP is a programming language).

This test, along with many other employment qualifications tests are
offered by a company known as PreVisor.  Anyway, I went to take the
test, but as you might have guessed, it was not accessible.  The exam
was actually just fine for the first couple of questions, but on one
of the questions, I was asked to look at a section of source code, and
the source code was unreadable by my screen reader.

Here's what I suspect happened.  In order to preserve the security of
the exam, they thought it would be a good idea to make the source code
snippet into an image.  They likely did this so you can't just copy
and paste the text.  Otherwise, I can think of no other reason to do
that.

Now, my employer has been really great about this.  They have been
working with me, and I'm sure we'll find some alternative means for me
to show them my PHP skills.  However, the inaccessibility of PreVisor
really disturbs me.  What's worse is their seeming complete
disinterest in fixing the problem.

When I contacted them about it, they basically told me that there was
nothing that could be done.  That's just how it was.  When I asked if
they would give me a little extra time to answer each question so the
source code could be read to me, (normally you get only 3 minutes) the
answer was again, "no."

What really upsets me is these people are in many instances the
gatekeepers for jobs.  For a lot of folks, they determine whether or
not a person gets hired.  How many people are going to be shut out of
jobs, or at the very least not considered on the same level as their
sighted co-applicants because of this companies apathy?

I don't know if anything can be done about this, legally or otherwise,
hence my email to this list.  I just know that it seems very wrong to
me, and is something that is likely to harm the job chances of other
blind folks in the future.

As a side note, their testing services appear to be used by many
different companies and organizations, including by the government
(which branch or at what level, I don't know).

Anyway, any thoughts or ideas on this situation would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Aaron


From tmatzick06 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 01:21:21 2011
From: tmatzick06 at gmail.com (Tara Chavez)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:21:21 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography
In-Reply-To: <CAHog7eeE4triO3Rb5FfPDKugeJCXrbaPbQSLXKonwnPxVO3mDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHog7eeE4triO3Rb5FfPDKugeJCXrbaPbQSLXKonwnPxVO3mDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007601cc4032$034c5b60$09e51220$@com>

Hi Kolby,
I too am looking for someone in the field you are. If you hear anything,
please contact me off list. I haven't had much luck thus far...
Thank you,
Tara


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Kolby Garrison
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:43 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography

Hello Everyone,
My name is Kolby, and I am a prospective stenography student. I am totally
blind, and I am looking to connect with blind people who are working in the
stenography field. I am wondering if anyone knows of any blind
stenographers, court reporters, scopists, transcriptionists, captioners,
etc?
Thank you,
Kolby

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From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us  Tue Jul 12 12:32:09 2011
From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC))
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:32:09 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
In-Reply-To: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864C7CEA35@tiger>

There are several things you can do. First, and you probably have already done this, post it to the computer science list. Curtis may have an idea, and some of the other programmers may have experienced the same thing. Secondly, you may want to find out who else they work with, particularly the Government. All though I am not qualified to speak to the law, it would appear to be a violation of Federal accessibility law. Those of you who have passed the bars can speak to it better.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:24 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test

Hi all.

I am rather frustrated, and I'm wondering if folks can offer any input on a situation I am having.

I recently had a job interview that I feel went very well.  The employer seemed reasonably impressed by my qualifications, and seemed to have no issue with my blindness.  As part of the hiring process, they asked me to take a PHP test (PHP is a programming language).

This test, along with many other employment qualifications tests are offered by a company known as PreVisor.  Anyway, I went to take the test, but as you might have guessed, it was not accessible.  The exam was actually just fine for the first couple of questions, but on one of the questions, I was asked to look at a section of source code, and the source code was unreadable by my screen reader.

Here's what I suspect happened.  In order to preserve the security of the exam, they thought it would be a good idea to make the source code snippet into an image.  They likely did this so you can't just copy and paste the text.  Otherwise, I can think of no other reason to do that.

Now, my employer has been really great about this.  They have been working with me, and I'm sure we'll find some alternative means for me to show them my PHP skills.  However, the inaccessibility of PreVisor really disturbs me.  What's worse is their seeming complete disinterest in fixing the problem.

When I contacted them about it, they basically told me that there was nothing that could be done.  That's just how it was.  When I asked if they would give me a little extra time to answer each question so the source code could be read to me, (normally you get only 3 minutes) the answer was again, "no."

What really upsets me is these people are in many instances the gatekeepers for jobs.  For a lot of folks, they determine whether or not a person gets hired.  How many people are going to be shut out of jobs, or at the very least not considered on the same level as their sighted co-applicants because of this companies apathy?

I don't know if anything can be done about this, legally or otherwise, hence my email to this list.  I just know that it seems very wrong to me, and is something that is likely to harm the job chances of other blind folks in the future.

As a side note, their testing services appear to be used by many different companies and organizations, including by the government (which branch or at what level, I don't know).

Anyway, any thoughts or ideas on this situation would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Aaron

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From cannona at fireantproductions.com  Tue Jul 12 14:57:34 2011
From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:57:34 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
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Hi David.

Thanks for the ideas.  I didn't even think of the NFBCS list.  Not
sure why.  Anyway, I sent them the story.

I'll also try and find out more who their clients are, government and otherwise.

Thanks.

Aaron

On 7/12/11, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
> There are several things you can do. First, and you probably have already
> done this, post it to the computer science list. Curtis may have an idea,
> and some of the other programmers may have experienced the same thing.
> Secondly, you may want to find out who else they work with, particularly the
> Government. All though I am not qualified to speak to the law, it would
> appear to be a violation of Federal accessibility law. Those of you who have
> passed the bars can speak to it better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Aaron Cannon
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:24 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
>
> Hi all.
>
> I am rather frustrated, and I'm wondering if folks can offer any input on a
> situation I am having.
>
> I recently had a job interview that I feel went very well.  The employer
> seemed reasonably impressed by my qualifications, and seemed to have no
> issue with my blindness.  As part of the hiring process, they asked me to
> take a PHP test (PHP is a programming language).
>
> This test, along with many other employment qualifications tests are offered
> by a company known as PreVisor.  Anyway, I went to take the test, but as you
> might have guessed, it was not accessible.  The exam was actually just fine
> for the first couple of questions, but on one of the questions, I was asked
> to look at a section of source code, and the source code was unreadable by
> my screen reader.
>
> Here's what I suspect happened.  In order to preserve the security of the
> exam, they thought it would be a good idea to make the source code snippet
> into an image.  They likely did this so you can't just copy and paste the
> text.  Otherwise, I can think of no other reason to do that.
>
> Now, my employer has been really great about this.  They have been working
> with me, and I'm sure we'll find some alternative means for me to show them
> my PHP skills.  However, the inaccessibility of PreVisor really disturbs me.
>  What's worse is their seeming complete disinterest in fixing the problem.
>
> When I contacted them about it, they basically told me that there was
> nothing that could be done.  That's just how it was.  When I asked if they
> would give me a little extra time to answer each question so the source code
> could be read to me, (normally you get only 3 minutes) the answer was again,
> "no."
>
> What really upsets me is these people are in many instances the gatekeepers
> for jobs.  For a lot of folks, they determine whether or not a person gets
> hired.  How many people are going to be shut out of jobs, or at the very
> least not considered on the same level as their sighted co-applicants
> because of this companies apathy?
>
> I don't know if anything can be done about this, legally or otherwise, hence
> my email to this list.  I just know that it seems very wrong to me, and is
> something that is likely to harm the job chances of other blind folks in the
> future.
>
> As a side note, their testing services appear to be used by many different
> companies and organizations, including by the government (which branch or at
> what level, I don't know).
>
> Anyway, any thoughts or ideas on this situation would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Aaron
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jul 12 19:02:40 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:02:40 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] fw: blind law grad sues
Message-ID: <auto-000020224268@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>
>
>Blind Law Grad Sues to Win Permission to Use Screenreader Software 
>on Multistate Ethics Exam - News - ABA Journal
>
>
>
>A blind graduate of Vermont Law School has filed a federal lawsuit 
>against the National Conference of Bar Examiners, seeking permission 
>to use the same
>
>screenreader software she relies on in her studies on the Multistate 
>Professional Responsibility Examination.
>
>
>
>The NCBE and co-defendant Act Inc.  offer a number of accommodations 
>to the disabled including Braille, large-print and audio versions of 
>the paper-and-pencil
>
>test.  However, plaintiff Deanna Jones, 44, says they would put her 
>at a disadvantage and prevent her from doing her best on the ethics 
>test, reports the
>
>Associated Press.
>
>
>
>"Whether I can pass with other accommodations is not the question," 
>she says, arguing that everyone wants to do their best on such 
>tests.  "Why should a
>
>disabled person be asked to do any less on an exam?"
>
>
>
>The suit was brought on her behalf in U.S.  District Court in Burlington by
>
>Dan Goldstein,
>
>who represents the National Federation of the Blind.
>
>
>
>Related coverage:
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>Blind Law Grads Sue Over Denied Use of Screen-Access Software on 
>Multistate Bar Exam"
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>9th Circuit Rules Blind Law Grad Can Use Computer Aids, Despite Hacking Fears"
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>4 Law Schools Named in Suit By Blind Advocacy Group Over LSAC's 
>Online Law School Applications"
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/blind_law_grad_sues_to_win
>_permission_to_use_screenreader_software_on_multi/
>
>
>
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Jul 12 19:15:14 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:15:14 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
In-Reply-To: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064FCED43@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

I suggest that you contact the Law Offices of Scot Labarre, who has an employment discrimination practice.  That number in Denver is (303) 504-5979.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:24 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test

Hi all.

I am rather frustrated, and I'm wondering if folks can offer any input
on a situation I am having.

I recently had a job interview that I feel went very well.  The
employer seemed reasonably impressed by my qualifications, and seemed
to have no issue with my blindness.  As part of the hiring process,
they asked me to take a PHP test (PHP is a programming language).

This test, along with many other employment qualifications tests are
offered by a company known as PreVisor.  Anyway, I went to take the
test, but as you might have guessed, it was not accessible.  The exam
was actually just fine for the first couple of questions, but on one
of the questions, I was asked to look at a section of source code, and
the source code was unreadable by my screen reader.

Here's what I suspect happened.  In order to preserve the security of
the exam, they thought it would be a good idea to make the source code
snippet into an image.  They likely did this so you can't just copy
and paste the text.  Otherwise, I can think of no other reason to do
that.

Now, my employer has been really great about this.  They have been
working with me, and I'm sure we'll find some alternative means for me
to show them my PHP skills.  However, the inaccessibility of PreVisor
really disturbs me.  What's worse is their seeming complete
disinterest in fixing the problem.

When I contacted them about it, they basically told me that there was
nothing that could be done.  That's just how it was.  When I asked if
they would give me a little extra time to answer each question so the
source code could be read to me, (normally you get only 3 minutes) the
answer was again, "no."

What really upsets me is these people are in many instances the
gatekeepers for jobs.  For a lot of folks, they determine whether or
not a person gets hired.  How many people are going to be shut out of
jobs, or at the very least not considered on the same level as their
sighted co-applicants because of this companies apathy?

I don't know if anything can be done about this, legally or otherwise,
hence my email to this list.  I just know that it seems very wrong to
me, and is something that is likely to harm the job chances of other
blind folks in the future.

As a side note, their testing services appear to be used by many
different companies and organizations, including by the government
(which branch or at what level, I don't know).

Anyway, any thoughts or ideas on this situation would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Aaron

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From cannona at fireantproductions.com  Tue Jul 12 19:23:21 2011
From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:23:21 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
In-Reply-To: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064FCED43@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
References: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>
	<E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064FCED43@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <CAERFoOij4Gz6un4aoF7=mgs4h=LvmQkBhW6oE9oPEzygFnC2Uw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Noel.

I actually just replied to an email from Scott on this matter.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Aaron

On 7/12/11, Nightingale, Noel <Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov> wrote:
> I suggest that you contact the Law Offices of Scot Labarre, who has an
> employment discrimination practice.  That number in Denver is (303)
> 504-5979.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Aaron Cannon
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:24 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
>
> Hi all.
>
> I am rather frustrated, and I'm wondering if folks can offer any input
> on a situation I am having.
>
> I recently had a job interview that I feel went very well.  The
> employer seemed reasonably impressed by my qualifications, and seemed
> to have no issue with my blindness.  As part of the hiring process,
> they asked me to take a PHP test (PHP is a programming language).
>
> This test, along with many other employment qualifications tests are
> offered by a company known as PreVisor.  Anyway, I went to take the
> test, but as you might have guessed, it was not accessible.  The exam
> was actually just fine for the first couple of questions, but on one
> of the questions, I was asked to look at a section of source code, and
> the source code was unreadable by my screen reader.
>
> Here's what I suspect happened.  In order to preserve the security of
> the exam, they thought it would be a good idea to make the source code
> snippet into an image.  They likely did this so you can't just copy
> and paste the text.  Otherwise, I can think of no other reason to do
> that.
>
> Now, my employer has been really great about this.  They have been
> working with me, and I'm sure we'll find some alternative means for me
> to show them my PHP skills.  However, the inaccessibility of PreVisor
> really disturbs me.  What's worse is their seeming complete
> disinterest in fixing the problem.
>
> When I contacted them about it, they basically told me that there was
> nothing that could be done.  That's just how it was.  When I asked if
> they would give me a little extra time to answer each question so the
> source code could be read to me, (normally you get only 3 minutes) the
> answer was again, "no."
>
> What really upsets me is these people are in many instances the
> gatekeepers for jobs.  For a lot of folks, they determine whether or
> not a person gets hired.  How many people are going to be shut out of
> jobs, or at the very least not considered on the same level as their
> sighted co-applicants because of this companies apathy?
>
> I don't know if anything can be done about this, legally or otherwise,
> hence my email to this list.  I just know that it seems very wrong to
> me, and is something that is likely to harm the job chances of other
> blind folks in the future.
>
> As a side note, their testing services appear to be used by many
> different companies and organizations, including by the government
> (which branch or at what level, I don't know).
>
> Anyway, any thoughts or ideas on this situation would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Aaron
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Jul 12 23:40:09 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:40:09 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Service Animals, revised final regulations overview,
 U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, Disability Rights Section
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064FCEDF7@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

Technical assistance guidance from DOJ about service animals.

Link:
http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm

Text:
U.S. Department of Justice
Civil Rights Division
Disability Rights Section
Service Animals

The Department of Justice published revised final regulations implementing the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) for title II (State and local government services) and title III (public accommodations and commercial facilities) on

September 15, 2010, in the Federal Register. These requirements, or rules, clarify and refine issues that have arisen over the past 20 years and contain new, and updated, requirements, including the 2010 Standards for Accessible Design (2010 Standards). Overview

This publication provides guidance on the term "service animal" and the service animal provisions in the Department's new regulations.

Beginning on March 15, 2011, only dogs are recognized as service animals under titles II and III of the ADA.

A service animal is a dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for a person with a disability.

Generally, title II and title III entities must permit service animals to accompany people with disabilities in all areas where members of the public are allowed to go.

"Service Animal" Is Defined

Service animals are defined as dogs that are individually trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities. Examples of such work or tasks include guiding people who are blind, alerting people who are deaf, pulling a wheelchair, alerting and protecting a person who is having a seizure, reminding a person with mental illness to take prescribed medications, calming a person with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) during an anxiety attack, or performing other duties. Service animals are working animals, not pets. The work or task a dog has been trained to provide must be directly related to the person's disability. Dogs whose sole function is to provide comfort or emotional support do not qualify as service animals under the ADA.

This definition does not affect or limit the broader definition of "assistance animal" under the Fair Housing Act or the broader definition of "service animal" under the Air Carrier Access Act.

Some State and local laws also define service animal more broadly than the ADA does.  Information about such laws can be obtained from the State attorney general's office.

Where Service Animals Are Allowed

Under the ADA, State and local governments, businesses, and nonprofit organizations that serve the public generally must allow service animals to accompany people with disabilities in all areas of the facility where the public is normally allowed to go. For example, in a hospital it would be inappropriate to exclude a service animal from areas such as patient rooms, clinics, cafeterias, or examination rooms. However, it may be appropriate to exclude a service animal from operating rooms or burn units where the animal's presence may compromise a sterile environment.

Service Animals Must Be Under Control

Under the ADA, service animals must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered, unless these devices interfere with the service animal's work or the individual's disability prevents using these devices. In that case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls.

Inquiries, Exclusions, Charges, and Other Specific Rules Related to Service Animals

When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person's disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task.

Allergies and fear of dogs are not valid reasons for denying access or refusing service to people using service animals. When a person who is allergic to dog dander and a person who uses a service animal must spend time in the same room or facility, for example, in a school classroom or at a homeless shelter, they both should be accommodated by assigning them, if possible, to different locations within the room or different rooms in the facility.

A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken. When there is a legitimate reason to ask that a service animal be removed, staff must offer the person with the disability the opportunity to obtain goods or services without the animal's presence.

Establishments that sell or prepare food must allow service animals in public areas even if state or local health codes prohibit animals on the premises.

People with disabilities who use service animals cannot be isolated from other patrons, treated less favorably than other patrons, or charged fees that are not charged to other patrons without animals. In addition, if a business requires a deposit or fee to be paid by patrons with pets, it must waive the charge for service animals.

If a business such as a hotel normally charges guests for damage that they cause, a customer with a disability may also be charged for damage caused by himself or his service animal.

Staff are not required to provide care or food for a service animal.

Miniature Horses

In addition to the provisions about service dogs, the Department's revised ADA regulations have a new, separate provision about miniature horses that have been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities. (Miniature horses generally range in height from 24 inches to 34 inches measured to the shoulders and generally weigh between 70 and 100 pounds.) Entities covered by the ADA must modify their policies to permit miniature horses where reasonable. The regulations set out four assessment factors to assist entities in determining whether miniature horses can be accommodated in their facility. The assessment factors are (1) whether the miniature horse is housebroken; (2) whether the miniature horse is under the owner's control; (3) whether the facility can accommodate the miniature horse's type, size, and weight; and (4) whether the miniature horse's presence will not compromise legitimate safety requirements necessary for safe operation of the facility.

For more information about the ADA, please visit our website or call our toll-free number.
ADA Website
www.ADA.gov

To receive e-mail notifications when new ADA information is available, visit the ADA Website's home page and click the link near the top of the middle column.

ADA Information Line
800-514-0301 (Voice) and 800-514-0383 (TTY)
24 hours a day to order publications by mail.
M-W, F 9:30 a.m. - 5:30 p.m., Th 12:30 p.m. - 5:30 p.m. (Eastern Time)
to speak with an ADA Specialist. All calls are confidential.

For persons with disabilities, this publication is available in alternate formats.

Duplication of this document is encouraged. July 2011


From jazminruiz12 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 02:28:54 2011
From: jazminruiz12 at gmail.com (jazmin ruiz)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:28:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Re; Blindlaw Stenography
Message-ID: <CAKb-BwNOfkJ0L0vzQDW_ByQKxRZ-Z+9qVK1pNqD35j5Xro3QmA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
American Foundation for the Blind at afb.org career connect shares the story
of a
court reporter who is blind.  It is a good source of information.
Just put "court reporter" in the search box at the top of the page
it should be one of the first search results.

From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us  Wed Jul 13 12:23:57 2011
From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC))
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:23:57 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re; Blindlaw Stenography
In-Reply-To: <CAKb-BwNOfkJ0L0vzQDW_ByQKxRZ-Z+9qVK1pNqD35j5Xro3QmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb-BwNOfkJ0L0vzQDW_ByQKxRZ-Z+9qVK1pNqD35j5Xro3QmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864C7CEA5C@tiger>

Sandy Halverson in Virginia used to be a court reporter. She may be able to give you some incites.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of jazmin ruiz
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:29 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Re; Blindlaw Stenography

Hi,
American Foundation for the Blind at afb.org career connect shares the story of a court reporter who is blind.  It is a good source of information.
Just put "court reporter" in the search box at the top of the page it should be one of the first search results.
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From jazminruiz12 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 17:51:29 2011
From: jazminruiz12 at gmail.com (jazmin ruiz)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:51:29 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration lawyer or paralegal
Message-ID: <CAKb-BwNvU+rh_71a7N07Q4b3Zs3iOJupCLNrTcU1s4RxqjcBpA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
My name is Jazmin Ruiz, I have recently graduated from John Jay College of
Criminal Justice.
I am searching for a job as a paralegal in the field of immigration law as
an
entry level paralegal.  I was wondering if there are any paralegals or
lawyers working in
the immigration law feild that could give me some more incite into the job?
Thank you everyone.

From cdanielsen8 at aol.com  Wed Jul 13 20:55:37 2011
From: cdanielsen8 at aol.com (Chris Danielsen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:55:37 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] fw: blind law grad sues
In-Reply-To: <auto-000020224268@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000020224268@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <0BA3DC309DF6438E91856E3BF7728CB5@Scorpio13>

Hello everyone,

Ms. Jones has asked me to clarify that she has not yet graduated from law
school.

Chris
 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:03 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] fw: blind law grad sues


>
>
>Blind Law Grad Sues to Win Permission to Use Screenreader Software on 
>Multistate Ethics Exam - News - ABA Journal
>
>
>
>A blind graduate of Vermont Law School has filed a federal lawsuit 
>against the National Conference of Bar Examiners, seeking permission to 
>use the same
>
>screenreader software she relies on in her studies on the Multistate 
>Professional Responsibility Examination.
>
>
>
>The NCBE and co-defendant Act Inc.  offer a number of accommodations to 
>the disabled including Braille, large-print and audio versions of the 
>paper-and-pencil
>
>test.  However, plaintiff Deanna Jones, 44, says they would put her at 
>a disadvantage and prevent her from doing her best on the ethics test, 
>reports the
>
>Associated Press.
>
>
>
>"Whether I can pass with other accommodations is not the question," 
>she says, arguing that everyone wants to do their best on such tests.  
>"Why should a
>
>disabled person be asked to do any less on an exam?"
>
>
>
>The suit was brought on her behalf in U.S.  District Court in 
>Burlington by
>
>Dan Goldstein,
>
>who represents the National Federation of the Blind.
>
>
>
>Related coverage:
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>Blind Law Grads Sue Over Denied Use of Screen-Access Software on 
>Multistate Bar Exam"
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>9th Circuit Rules Blind Law Grad Can Use Computer Aids, Despite Hacking
Fears"
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>4 Law Schools Named in Suit By Blind Advocacy Group Over LSAC's Online 
>Law School Applications"
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/blind_law_grad_sues_to_win
>_permission_to_use_screenreader_software_on_multi/
>
>
>



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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed Jul 13 21:44:20 2011
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:44:20 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] another victory against NCBE
Message-ID: <4B36F6179FA04468B7CFDD2C025914E6@labarre>

Greetings, Judge Kotelly issued an opinion today ordering the National Conference  of Bar Examiners to allow our client, Catherine Bonnette, to use screeen access software to take the District of Columbia Bar Exam.  The opinion is attached in an accessible pdf.  
Regards,      
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
303 504-5979 (voice)
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 14:41:33 2011
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:41:33 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning
Message-ID: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn>

In your opinion, Should  people be permitted to attend law school via distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend law school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the standard carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning this method? Sincerely, RJ
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From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 14 16:02:29 2011
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:02:29 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] job losses in legal services industry
Message-ID: <140AA920C77F4FB28AAC96DC97DC2C20@DANELLIEVANDAWN>

Legal Industry Shrinking: US Lost 2,600 More Legal Jobs in June
By Stephanie Rabiner on July 13, 2011 5:43 AM |
No TrackBacks

Though there have been reports that some firms have hired their entire 2010 summer associate classes, the Bureau of Labor Statistics'
June employment report
tells a tale of legal jobs that continue to disappear.

The month of June saw the legal services industry's biggest loss this year, shedding another 2,600 jobs according to the report.

And though there was some glimmer of hope in May, even those semi-positive numbers have been revised to subtract another 500 jobs from the profession.

To be fair, the Bureau of Labor Statistics categorizes lawyers, paralegals, notaries, as well as law firm and
support staff, as "legal services,"
so it's difficult to tell where the actual job losses have occurred.

However, there's still a need to be concerned.

On the heels of that wonderful study detailing the number of
excess lawyers
in each state, the American Bar Association has released its 2011 National Lawyer Population Survey, which counts the number of "resident and active" attorneys
in each state.

Though a few states reported a drop in the number of attorneys, the overall total
increased by about 2% during 2010,
sorely outpacing the availability of legal jobs.

This will likely get worse, as the ABA Journal also reports that law student enrollment is up despite adequate warnings by the classes of 2008 and 2009,
and of course, The New York Times.

If you're saddened by this news, buck up. It's time to do everything you can to hold onto your job. And if you don't have one, find one quick--there may
be even fewer legal jobs once the class of 2011 starts looking again.

Related Resources:
Legal Industry Sees Loss of 2,600 Jobs in June
(ABA Journal)
Which States Have the Largest Glut of Lawyers?
(FindLaw's Greedy Associates)
'Is Law School a Losing Game?' New York Times Asks
(FindLaw's Greedy Associates)
 

From pamwalters54 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 18:31:05 2011
From: pamwalters54 at gmail.com (Pam Walters)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:31:05 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Are there any websites you can go to where the laws are
	explained inn everyday terms?
Message-ID: <721790CB5E344F8AADE6F6B6B28E3BDD@pam29bcec78d08>

Just curious!  I am talking about a person legal right as far as veteran 
affairs and post office information.  Pam
God is good all of the time All things work together for good to them that 
love God and the called according to His purpose Romans 8:28.
This email is checked by Avast Internet Security.  Wa4SMB 



From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 14 23:03:54 2011
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:03:54 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] attention criminal lawyers who work in courts
In-Reply-To: <3453D98D256247DFA560156E796BCA88@HPLaptop>
References: <BANLkTik4V1HXw9BxCLh-rrPj9iPnB4Swow@mail.gmail.com><E40BBBB9DAF949DB982A534E416BC6AA@HPLaptop><8D3A38838E2F4FD79620FF01E8C07210@hometwxakonvzn>
	<3453D98D256247DFA560156E796BCA88@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <A00955EF193242B9B97165E54B46B8C9@spike>

I have to agree about JAWS not working well with WordPerfect which is a 
shame as it worked very well in earlier versions and there is still many 
things that WP does that is superior to Word.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] attention criminal lawyers who work in courts


>i did not lose my viasion until 4 years after law school so I can't speak 
>to
> the challenges in law school for a blind person.  I have appeared in front
> of the 5th circuit twice, the court of appeals in Amarillo.  I have not
> appeared before the Texas supreme court, but the highest court of criminal
> appeals in Texas is the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals not the Texas
> Supreme Court.  I have not appeared in front of the TCCA either.  I do 
> trial
> work for misdemeanors and felonies.  I went to Duke School of Law in 
> Durham
> North Carolina and now practice in my home city of Lubbock, Texas.  Jaws 
> and
> Word are easy to use.  As far as brief writing I do not like Word as much 
> as
> I liked Wordperfect, but Jaws and wordperfect do not work well together.
> Wordperfect is much better for doing tables of contents and tables of
> authorities.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Shannon
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:27 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] attention criminal lawyers who work in courts
>
> I'd be interested how you prepare briefs in word using Jaws Have you 
> argued
> before the Supreme court of Texas? And What law school did you attend? I'm
> thinking about going in to law. I'm 32 years old. RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] attention criminal lawyers who work in courts
>
>
>>I do criminal defense work in the courtroom and I use a laptop with jaws
>>and
>> a Nokia smart phone with talks.
>>
>> I would be interested in knowing if there is other technology out there
>> that
>> might be helpful.
>>
>> I also have the KNFB reader, but I am not happy with it'.
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Shannon Geihsler
>>
>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
>> Lubbock, TX 79401
>> Phone: 763-3999
>> Fax: 749-3752
>>
>> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
>> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
>> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
>> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
>> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Vaughan Roles
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:40 AM
>> To: blindlaw
>> Subject: [blindlaw] attention criminal lawyers who work in courts
>>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> Is there any totally blind criminal lawyers on list who regularly
>> appear in high volume court lists? If so, could you drop me an email
>> letting me know what technology you use.
>>
>> -- 
>> Vaughan Roles
>> Ph: 0425211038
>>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 15 02:43:57 2011
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:43:57 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Federal law Question
In-Reply-To: <2E70BCFA-3CE8-427B-913D-E8BA99A5028F@gmail.com>
References: <00BB8482756E48D69331CE86B56A5CAD@hometwxakonvzn>
	<2E70BCFA-3CE8-427B-913D-E8BA99A5028F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCCDF0F4E0494BA5A1CC9FDBE79F4B06@spike>

an attorney that intends to practice before a Federal court must submit an 
application to practice in that district before they can appear in that 
court. They also must pay a fee. A while back one of the attorneys that I 
worked for had to do this when he represented a client in a criminal matter 
in the U.S. District Court of Arizona. I think there are similar procedures 
for the U.S. Supreme Court.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aser Tolentino" <agtolentino at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Federal law Question


> I'm pretty sure you must be admitted to a state bar, the DC bar or a bar 
> of one of the territories. Once this is done you fill out an application 
> (pay a fee) to practice before any given district. Membership in the 
> SCOTUS bar is largely honorary I believe.
>
> Respectfully,
> Aser Tolentino, Esq.
> (916) 572-2737
> agtolentino at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 7:10, "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> How would I go about becoming a federal Lawyer? Is their a federal bar? 
>> Or do you joine the bar of the United States supreme court? In other 
>> words, what are the qualifications needed to practice federal law? RJ
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 15 22:44:29 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:44:29 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney Posting: Bur. of Prisons - Texas
Message-ID: <1C11F89C31294912872BF1CBD0637539@none8a46117901>

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS CONSOLIDATED LEGAL CENTER FEDERAL DETENTION CENTER HOUSTON, TEXAS ATTORNEY ADVISOR GS-905-12/13 This position is open until filled, but no later than July 28, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/houstonclcattymem.htm 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From joshcrunkleton at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 23:42:39 2011
From: joshcrunkleton at gmail.com (Josh Crunkleton)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 18:42:39 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Voc. Rehab
Message-ID: <6C49E49C-5A54-4406-8735-01D6490E452E@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I have a question about Voc. Rehab.

My name is Josh. I am an Arkansas resident and recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the Blind.I have decided I would like to get my master's degree in O/M at Louisiana Tech (to obtain my NOMC). There is a master's program O/M in Arkansas, but it is an AER program and it is a completely different master's degree. 

Needless to say, my agency is refusing to cover any out of state expenses for me to attend Louisiana because, they say, my decision is merely a matter of preference.  They cite their in-state preference policy as the basis for their decision. 

They have been very uncooperative with me as I have sought to further understand this policy. I have tried to explain that the two O/M programs are not at all comparable and that if I could obtain my NOMC in Arkansas I certainly would. I have also pointed out that not one blind person has successfully completed the program in Arkansas because it is not geared toward blind individuals. I have tried to explain that the program in Louisiana is designed to teach the non-visual techniques of cane instruction. 

I have read through the RSA and it appears to me that their refusal to fund me fully for Louisiana is not in concert with the tone and language of the RSA regulations. I have been told that I am ungrateful and I have been told that I am causing tension. Further, I am being told that I cannot specify certifications (NOMC) in my IPE. All and all, the agency has been very obtuse with regard to this issue and have refused to listen to me.  

Any advice? At this point, I am so indignant that I want to dig my feet in until it changes. There are lots of people who are learning about Louisiana Tech and who are interested in becoming cane travel instructors. Many of them would be discouraged by the agency refusing to pay out of state costs.  I would like to see this change, not only for me, but for anyone else who follows in years to come. 




From jimi-law at dc.rr.com  Sun Jul 17 00:06:01 2011
From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:06:01 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Voc. Rehab
In-Reply-To: <6C49E49C-5A54-4406-8735-01D6490E452E@gmail.com>
References: <6C49E49C-5A54-4406-8735-01D6490E452E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0C8CC4EDF754C1892CE8AEA8E9C59E9@Blind>

Josh:

Have you checked with Louisiana's Dept of Rehab to inquire about their
services?  That's how I did law school.  Moved six months early to establish
residency and got fully funded by my new state and this included my first
year's tuition which was by necessity the out of state rate; i.e., big
bucks.  

Good Luck

James

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Crunkleton
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 4:43 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Voc. Rehab

Hello all,

I have a question about Voc. Rehab.

My name is Josh. I am an Arkansas resident and recently graduated from the
Louisiana Center for the Blind.I have decided I would like to get my
master's degree in O/M at Louisiana Tech (to obtain my NOMC). There is a
master's program O/M in Arkansas, but it is an AER program and it is a
completely different master's degree. 

Needless to say, my agency is refusing to cover any out of state expenses
for me to attend Louisiana because, they say, my decision is merely a matter
of preference.  They cite their in-state preference policy as the basis for
their decision. 

They have been very uncooperative with me as I have sought to further
understand this policy. I have tried to explain that the two O/M programs
are not at all comparable and that if I could obtain my NOMC in Arkansas I
certainly would. I have also pointed out that not one blind person has
successfully completed the program in Arkansas because it is not geared
toward blind individuals. I have tried to explain that the program in
Louisiana is designed to teach the non-visual techniques of cane
instruction. 

I have read through the RSA and it appears to me that their refusal to fund
me fully for Louisiana is not in concert with the tone and language of the
RSA regulations. I have been told that I am ungrateful and I have been told
that I am causing tension. Further, I am being told that I cannot specify
certifications (NOMC) in my IPE. All and all, the agency has been very
obtuse with regard to this issue and have refused to listen to me.  

Any advice? At this point, I am so indignant that I want to dig my feet in
until it changes. There are lots of people who are learning about Louisiana
Tech and who are interested in becoming cane travel instructors. Many of
them would be discouraged by the agency refusing to pay out of state costs.
I would like to see this change, not only for me, but for anyone else who
follows in years to come. 



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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Jul 18 18:28:16 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:28:16 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Sen. Grassley Questions ABA's Law School Accreditation
 Process, ABA Journal, July 13 2011
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D84768A@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

Blindlaw listers:

I thought this article might be of interest to some on this list as it is tangentially related to some o the discussions about the LSAT that we have had.


Noel

Link:
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/grassley_seeks_answers_on_abas_law_school_accreditation_process/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email

Text:
Sen. Grassley Questions ABA's Law School Accreditation Process
Posted July 13, 2011
By Mark Hansen

A second U.S. senator is raising questions about the quality of the ABA's law school accreditation process.

U.S. Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), in a letter (PDF) Monday to ABA President Stephen N. Zack, is seeking a written response to a detailed list of 31 questions about the ways in which the association's accrediting arm assesses a law school's eligibility for accreditation, including whether it keeps any data on the number and value of merit-based scholarships schools offer, whether it sponsors any educational programs to help students assess how much student debt they can afford to take on and how many schools it has accredited in the last 20 years.

In the letter, Grassley cited a report last month in the Chronicle of Higher Education saying the ABA's Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar, the U.S. Department of Education's recognized accreditor of law schools, had been found noncompliant with 17 department regulations by a federal panel that reviews accrediting agencies, including failing to consider student-loan default rates in assessing programs; having no set policy for handling student complaints; and not having a standard for job placement by its member institutions.

"My concern is that the ABA, which has the power to accredit law schools, was barely granted renewed recognition by the U.S. Department of Education's accreditation experts," Grassley wrote. "Moreover, in the eyes of the National Advisory Committee on Institutional Quality and Integrity, the ABA appears to be doing little to assess student-loan default rates in its law school accreditation process."

Grassley also cited two recent articles in the New York Times, including one about first-year law students losing their merit-based scholarships after the first year for failing to maintain a certain grade point average and one about the plight of recent law school grads saddled with debt who can't find jobs to pay off their student loans.

As the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Grassley said he has an interest in the health of the legal profession. And, to the extent that taxpayer dollars are used to fund student loans, he said he has an interest in ensuring that students who take out those loans are in a position to pay them back.

A spokeswoman for Grassley declined to elaborate on the senator's motives. "I think the letter speaks for itself," she said.

Zack issued a statement saying the ABA is in the process of responding to Grassley's request and appreciates his interest in the matter. "We all share the same goal: that the American people have access to justice through representation by good lawyers who have had all the information they need to carefully plan and pursue their legal careers," he said.

Hulett "Bucky" Askew, the ABA Consultant on Legal Education, said that nine of the 17 violations cited by the staff of the DOE were the result of new department regulations and that most of them are now in the process of being corrected. The others will require more work, he said, but should be corrected well within the one-year deadline set by the DOE.

"We don't view this as a huge hurdle we have to clear," he said.

Grassley is now the second member of the U.S. senate to publicly voice concerns over the ABA's accrediting function. For months, U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) has been pressing the ABA to improve the accuracy and transparency of the job placement information law schools must provide to prospective students.


From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 18 20:23:38 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:23:38 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Trustees office - California - opening
Message-ID: <BAD2AA95C49548A9B8B1B322B1263FB2@none8a46117901>

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE U.S. TRUSTEE PROGRAM REGION 16/RIVERSIDE, CALIFORNIA (1) TRIAL ATTORNEY GS-905-12/13/14/15 ANNOUNCEMENT NO. FY11-01 OPEN: July 18, 2011 CLOSE: August 01, 2011 http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/triattyvacriverside.htm



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Mon Jul 18 21:31:41 2011
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:31:41 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Audio of Past Law Symposia not Working
Message-ID: <000f01cc4592$15b6e030$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good afternoon everyone,

Here's hoping Lou Ann can look in to this so this problem can be fixed. This 
morning I downloaded the recordings of the 2011 Jacobus TenBroek Disability 
Law Symposium without any problems. In doing so I stumbled on the audio 
links for the previous law symposiums and got a 404 error when attempting to 
access the MP3 files for the 2010 Law Symposium. Here's hoping this can be 
investigated and all law symposium recordings put back in to working 
operation. Thank you.

Peter Donahue


"Will you come and awake our lost land from its slumber
      And her fetters we'll break, links that long are encumbered.
      And the air will resound with hosannas to greet you
      On the shore will be found gallant Irishmen to greet you."
Will You Come to the Bower
Traditional Irish Folk Song



From j_gardner09 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 18 23:49:42 2011
From: j_gardner09 at yahoo.com (John Gardner)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:49:42 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
Message-ID: <7098C228-91C8-4F89-9C61-2C5A1E203E3F@yahoo.com>

I am a criminal justice student planning on going into law. I was wondering what type of notetakers do you guys use for law school and work? What type did you guys use in law school? Is it better to have a notetaker like the apex or is it better to have like an iPhone or iPad with a Braille display via Bluetooth? Thanks for reading this. I hope to get many good ideas. Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from many of you.

From dravant at ameritech.net  Tue Jul 19 01:24:48 2011
From: dravant at ameritech.net (Denise Avant)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:24:48 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <7098C228-91C8-4F89-9C61-2C5A1E203E3F@yahoo.com>
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hi,
it will of course depend on your budget or if your state agency will pay the cost of a notetaker 
the i-devices are relatively new and i have heard of students using the ipad as a notetaker device with or without Braille.
as for the notetakers, you have the pacmate, braillenote apex and braillesense in either 18 or 32 cells. now there is even a smaller notetaker called the Braillesense onhand, which is very small and has 18 cells.
before getting one of these, i would urge you to look at them yourself and decide what you like.
if your state is paying for it, try if you can to not let them make your decision.
you have started well by asking others what they use.
i am a long way from being a law student, but use the Braillenote apex in my job. 
it does not read adobe files, but the pacmate and braillesense products do. a lot of legal material comes in adobe form. so that is a consideration for you.
if you are seriously thinking of the i-device as a notetaker, i would urge you to also join the viphone list or one of the other list, and you can get even more responses on the apple products as notetakers.



On Jul 18, 2011, at 6:49 PM, John Gardner wrote:

> I am a criminal justice student planning on going into law. I was wondering what type of notetakers do you guys use for law school and work? What type did you guys use in law school? Is it better to have a notetaker like the apex or is it better to have like an iPhone or iPad with a Braille display via Bluetooth? Thanks for reading this. I hope to get many good ideas. Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from many of you.
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From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 11:57:43 2011
From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 04:57:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <7098C228-91C8-4F89-9C61-2C5A1E203E3F@yahoo.com>
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I've used the Braillenote and Pac Mate. In law school, I used the Braillenote and continue to for my own personal use. I find it very easy to use and it gets the job done for taking notes. I've never surfed the net with it, however. It's easy to type on, too. (I use the version that is set up like a Perkins rather than a laptop style. I find I can type faster in braille taking notes and can do a lot of shorthand--especailly since we don't spell out words.)
Working for the Federal government, I use the Pac Mate. Again, I use the Perkins style rather than the laptop style. It's a little difficult to type on it because the keys are a little flatter than the BrailleNote and you can't type as fast on it. A lot of typos tend to be made. I would recommend the BrailleNote for personal use (home, school, etc.) As far as work, it depends on what your place of employment will purchase. Some places have a cap and won't buy the more expensive notetakers. That's why I have the Pac Mate at work. It was either that or the Braillesense (and I'm not a big fan of GW Micro. Used to be but switched to JAWS and became a Freedom Scientific guy as far as screen readers go. For notetakers and other stuff, I'm a Humanware guy.)

Hope this helps.

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
To: "blindlaw at nfbnet.org" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 7:49 PM

I am a criminal justice student planning on going into law. I was wondering what type of notetakers do you guys use for law school and work? What type did you guys use in law school? Is it better to have a notetaker like the apex or is it better to have like an iPhone or iPad with a Braille display via Bluetooth? Thanks for reading this. I hope to get many good ideas. Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from many of you.
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From rdittman at stmarytx.edu  Tue Jul 19 13:40:12 2011
From: rdittman at stmarytx.edu (Dittman, Robert)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:40:12 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
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Good morning,

I am a third year law student and a student attorney here in Texas.

I use the IPhone and the RefreshaBraille 18 18 cell Braille display as my "Note Taker".  The advantages include the following:

1. The IPhone is not a blindy product so you have some freedom and choice as to your software and there are loads of them.  Fast Case (a package to look up the law) free by the way, Pages a word processor application ($10.00), a color identifier, OCR, as well as Omoby which is a program that will identify cans of food and other products to you (free by the way) turns your IPhone into a product that will not only serve you in your professional life, but also in your personal independence as well.  Oh, go to www.applevis.com to find the loads of software you can use. You name it, chances are the IPhone can help you with it.

2. The IPhone with the RefreshaBraille 18 is a small package.  For me, having everything in a small package so that there is little to take into class, client meetings, or court is a must.  I can take notes, take phone calls, and research on Westlaw's mobile site using the same bit of equipment.

3. The IPhone upgrades when you do and the cost is much less.  My Pac Mate was about 6,500 with the 40 cell Braille display, and I've heard other Note Takers are about the same.  The IPhone was $299.00 with two year agreement, and $1,700 for the Refreshabraille 18 and when I get a newer model of IPhone my Braille display goes with me.

Hope this information helps.

Good luck, times they are a changen.

Robert


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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gilmore
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

I've used the Braillenote and Pac Mate. In law school, I used the Braillenote and continue to for my own personal use. I find it very easy to use and it gets the job done for taking notes. I've never surfed the net with it, however. It's easy to type on, too. (I use the version that is set up like a Perkins rather than a laptop style. I find I can type faster in braille taking notes and can do a lot of shorthand--especailly since we don't spell out words.) Working for the Federal government, I use the Pac Mate. Again, I use the Perkins style rather than the laptop style. It's a little difficult to type on it because the keys are a little flatter than the BrailleNote and you can't type as fast on it. A lot of typos tend to be made. I would recommend the BrailleNote for personal use (home, school, etc.) As far as work, it depends on what your place of employment will purchase. Some places have a cap and won't buy the more expensive notetakers. That's why I have the Pac Mate at work. It was either that or the Braillesense (and I'm not a big fan of GW Micro. Used to be but switched to JAWS and became a Freedom Scientific guy as far as screen readers go. For notetakers and other stuff, I'm a Humanware guy.)

Hope this helps.

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
To: "blindlaw at nfbnet.org" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 7:49 PM

I am a criminal justice student planning on going into law. I was wondering what type of notetakers do you guys use for law school and work? What type did you guys use in law school? Is it better to have a notetaker like the apex or is it better to have like an iPhone or iPad with a Braille display via Bluetooth? Thanks for reading this. I hope to get many good ideas. Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from many of you.
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 19 16:38:07 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:38:07 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty posting Georgia uncompensated - posted today
Message-ID: <83E582E0CC014424AA679BAF37A7A891@none8a46117901>

SPECIAL ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY (SAUSA) (SERVE WITHOUT COMPENSATION) UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF GEORGIA VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 11-SAUSAMDGA-01 All required documents must be received by Friday, August 19, 2011, although applications may be considered after that date. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-sausamdga-01uncomp.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com  Wed Jul 20 01:32:46 2011
From: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com (ray wayne)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:32:46 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
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FYI: GW Micro no longer services the Braille Sense. HIMS has an office in Austin, Texas. I don't yet know whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. 
Ray Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Gilmore <m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com>
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, Jul 19, 2011 7:59:30
Subject: Re: [bllaw] Notetakers

>
>
> I've used the Braillenote and Pac Mate. In law school, I used the Braillenote and continue to for my own personal use. I find it very easy to use and it gets the job done for taking notes. I've never surfed the net with it, however. It's easy to type on, too. (I use the version that is set up like a Perkins rather than a laptop style. I find I can type faster in braille taking notes and can do a lot of shorthand-comespecailly since we don't spell out words.)
> Working for the Federal government, I use the Pac Mate. Again, I use the Perkins style rather than the laptop style. It's a little difficult to type on it because the keys are a little flatter than the BrailleNote and you can't type as fast on it. A lot of typos tend to be made. I would recommend the BrailleNote for personal use (home, school, etc.) As far as work, it depends on what your place of employment will purchase. Some places have a cap and won't buy the more expensive notetakers. That's why I have the Pac Mate at work. It was either that or the Braillesense (and I'm not a big fan of GW Micro. Used to be but switched to JAWS and became a Freedom Scientific guy as far as screen readers go. For notetakers and other stuff, I'm a Humanware guy.)
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> --- On Mon, 7/18/11, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [bllaw] Notetakers
> To: "blindlaw at nfbnet.org" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 7:49 PM
> 
> I am a criminal justice student planning on going into law. I was wondering what type of notetakers do you guys use for law school and work? What type did you guys use in law school? Is it better to have a notetaker like the apex or is it better to have like an iPhone or iPad with a Braille display via Bluetooth? Thanks for reading this. I hope to get many good ideas. Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from many of you.
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Jul 20 19:39:56 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:39:56 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty openings - Guam and Saipan
Message-ID: <E0BAE0965DE94532A5230CF1C3F80745@none8a46117901>

Assistant United States Attorney's Office Districts of Guam & the Northern Mariana IslandsVacancy Locations: Guam & Saipan Position: Temporary NTE 1 Year, Subject to Availability of Funds 11-MP-AUSA-01 The announcement is open until the positions are filled. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-mp-ausa-01.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 17:22:04 2011
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:22:04 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 86, Issue 15
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Jul 21 19:14:08 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:14:08 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: job opening - King County Superior Court -
 Dependency CASA Program Manager
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D847ED4@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: Hullett, Judith [mailto:Judith.Hullett at kingcounty.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:59 PM
To: Hullett, Judith
Cc: Hullett, Judith
Subject: FW: job opening - King County Superior Court - Dependency CASA Program Manager

The application deadline for this positions has been extended to 7/29/11.  If you could notify your members of this, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!


From: Hullett, Judith
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:27 PM
To: Hullett, Judith
Subject: job opening - King County Superior Court - Dependency CASA Program Manager

Good afternoon,

You are receiving this email as an officer of a specialty bar association.  The attached job announcement is for King County Superior Court's Dependency CASA Program Manager position.  We are seeking qualified applicants for the attached job and are asking that you please distribute this to your organization's members.

Please be advised that the position is posted on and applications are processed through www.governmentjobs.com<http://www.governmentjobs.com>

Thank you.

Judy Hullett, MPA, PHR
King County Superior Court
Sr. Human Resources Analyst
*206-296-9298
6206-205-8271
judith.hullett at kingcounty.gov<mailto:judith.hullett at kingcounty.gov>

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Jul 21 23:31:43 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:31:43 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Employment Opportunity: Legal Appeals Manager at WA
 State Employment Security Department
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D847FA7@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

the attached job announcement appears to require a J.D. though perhaps not bar membership.  I believe the announcement said it closes august 3.



From: Jennifer Carter [mailto:jenniferc at wsba.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:19 PM
To: leeperthuynguyen at yahoo.com; asb at bmatlaw.com; edelossantos at trueblueinc.com; asachs at wrenngroup.com; boksulee at yahoo.com; lopezf at seattleu.edu; nicole at gaineslawoffice.com; Sahar at melegal.org; rblack at susmangodfrey.com; bree.ramirez at bullivant.com; dclarks at co.pierce.wa.us; Aravind.swaminathan at usdoj.gov; ty.ho at hoassociates.com; stuarpix at microsoft.com; khkato at comcast.net; aaron at glblaw.com; castillo.mimi at ymail.com; csanders at gth-law.com; dko at kellerrohrback.com; DavisJK at LanePowell.com; shaakirrah.sanders at gmail.com; efry at sisna.com; MLe at perkinscoie.com; Nightingale, Noel; alison.bettles at nordstrom.com; Jessica.skelton at pacificalawgroup.com; DINHS at FOSTER.COM
Subject: Employment Opportunity: Legal Appeals Manager at WA State Employment Security Department

FYI!

Jennifer Carter| Diversity Program Coordinator
Washington State Bar Association |* 206.239.2116 | F 206.727.8319 | * jenniferc at wsba.org<mailto:jenniferd at wsba.org>
1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 600 | Seattle, WA 98101 | www.wsba.org<http://www.wsba.org/>



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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 22 20:35:02 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:35:02 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] @ attorney openings - U.S. Atty
Message-ID: <C8F98D4B87994DB087A70677E48BAD9E@none8a46117901>



  * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Middle District of North Carolina Vacancy Announcement Number 11-MDNC-02 Applications must be received by July 26, 2011. http://publicstaging.doj.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-mdnc-02.htm 
Date posted: 07-22-2011

*Trial Attorney GS-0905-13/14/15 U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division Asset Forfeiture and Money Laundering Section Washington, DC 11-CRM-AFMLS-034 All applications must be received by August 11, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-crm-afmls-034.htm 





Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 22 20:36:08 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:36:08 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. atty opening- Maryland
Message-ID: <6CAF22FBBF8443D9BAD3A35138C02550@none8a46117901>

Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office District of Maryland Northern (Baltimore) and Southern (Greenbelt) Divisions Announcement Number: 11-MD-06 This announcement will close on August 20, 2011.. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-md-06.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Jul 22 23:21:47 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:21:47 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Article: Justice Department weighs in on Vt disability
	case
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D8481DB@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

From: DBTAC - Great Lakes ADA Information [mailto:GREATLAKES at LISTSERV.UIC.EDU] On Behalf Of Robin Jones
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 2:32 PM
To: GREATLAKES at LISTSERV.UIC.EDU
Subject: Article: Justice Department weighs in on Vt disability case

The following article is forwarded to you by the DBTAC-Great Lakes ADA Center (www.adagreatlakes.org<http://www.adagreatlakes.org>) for your information:

Associated Press
July 22, 2011


Justice Department weighs in on Vermont disability case


BURLINGTON, Vt. (AP) - The U.S. Justice Department has filed a brief in support of a blind Vermont Law School student suing for special accommodations that would allow her to take a legal ethics exam.



Deanna Jones, 44, of Middlesex, is suing the National Conference of Bar Examiners, saying it isn't providing the accommodations she needs to take the Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination which all lawyers must take before they practice in Vermont and most other states.



The testing group has proposed having someone read the questions to her and some other accommodations but Jones wants permission to use special computer software she has used to help her read in law school.

In a brief filed Thursday, the Justice Department said the Americans with Disabilities Act requires not just reasonable accommodations to Jones but appropriate modifications or auxiliary aids so that the test can measure her aptitude and achievement.



"The clear weight of authority and the correct interpretation of the statutory and regulatory framework governing entities offering licensing examinations requires NCBE to offer Deanna Jones testing accommodations that "best ensure" that the MPRE reflects her abilities and not her impairment," the brief said.



"The Court should reject arguments to the contrary," it said.



The Justice Department filed the brief because it "views this as an important issue before the court and wanted to weigh in on it," said U.S. Attorney Tristram Coffin.



On Friday, a U.S. District Court judge heard arguments in Jones' bid for a preliminary injunction to allow her to use the software.




From j_gardner09 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 24 17:45:20 2011
From: j_gardner09 at yahoo.com (John Gardner)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 12:45:20 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
Message-ID: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>

So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons. The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you guys think?

Thanks

From agtolentino at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 03:16:54 2011
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:16:54 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
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Hello John,
Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad, Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual equivalent.
That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow, but that's how i see it for now.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons. The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you guys think?
> 
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From dravant at ameritech.net  Mon Jul 25 10:38:50 2011
From: dravant at ameritech.net (Denise Avant)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 05:38:50 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>
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hi john,
these all look like sound reasons. I think the i-devices as notetakers are not quite there yet as far as being most reliable, and therefore most productive. perhaps they will be soon. the apex is a good unit, and i think you will like it. now you just have to decide whether you want an 18 or 32 cell Braille display if you have not already.

On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:45 PM, John Gardner wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons. The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you guys think?
> 
> Thanks
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Mon Jul 25 18:55:50 2011
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:55:50 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>
	<AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>

I have a really difficult time typing 
On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions
Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
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Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

Hello John,
Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you
seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me
from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I
really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the
Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant
solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it
really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it
just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad,
Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require
independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while
far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual
equivalent.
That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow,
but that's how i see it for now.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you
guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I
need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like
that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a
notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy
as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you
guys think?
> 
> Thanks
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From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us  Mon Jul 25 19:04:50 2011
From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC))
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:04:50 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>
	<AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
	<E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06B1F@tiger>

You can use a refreshible braille display. Bluetooth the display to the I device. It takes some practice, but it is cheaper than a notetaker.

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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

I have a really difficult time typing
On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

Hello John,
Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad, Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual equivalent.
That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow, but that's how i see it for now.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers 
> you
guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you guys think?
> 
> Thanks
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Mon Jul 25 19:07:56 2011
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:07:56 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06B1F@tiger>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com><AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com><E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
	<8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06B1F@tiger>
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Nt very fast at Braille.  Do they have a querdy blue tooth?

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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

You can use a refreshible braille display. Bluetooth the display to the I
device. It takes some practice, but it is cheaper than a notetaker.

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Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

I have a really difficult time typing
On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions Law Office of Shannon
Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
Fax: 749-3752

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Behalf Of Aser Tolentino
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

Hello John,
Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you
seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me
from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I
really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the
Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant
solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it
really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it
just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad,
Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require
independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while
far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual
equivalent.
That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow,
but that's how i see it for now.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers 
> you
guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I
need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like
that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a
notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy
as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you
guys think?
> 
> Thanks
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 19:08:56 2011
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:08:56 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>
	<AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <D9CC561B-133C-4F9B-95C7-BA2F96AD2D29@gmail.com>

Apple made a keyboard dock for the iPad which will accept an iPad 2. There also many bluetooth keyboards in different shapes and sizes including cases for particular devices. You can also get tactile overlays for the screen.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:55, "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com> wrote:

> I have a really difficult time typing 
> On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
> 
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> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Aser Tolentino
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers
> 
> Hello John,
> Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you
> seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me
> from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I
> really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the
> Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant
> solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it
> really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it
> just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad,
> Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require
> independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while
> far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual
> equivalent.
> That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow,
> but that's how i see it for now.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Aser Tolentino, Esq.
> (916) 572-2737
> agtolentino at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you
> guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
> The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I
> need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like
> that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a
> notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy
> as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you
> guys think?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Mon Jul 25 19:11:00 2011
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:11:00 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com><AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
	<E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <CAE118EE8B8A480BB0CAB949101E76AD@DHRL6TC1>

This may sound crass, but you may want to keep practicing, because
eventually you get better.  Try using two fingers to do it, one to highlight
the number or letter, and the other to tap the keyboard.  Make sure settings
aren't set so that the minute you lift up your finger the key is entered.
That makes it hard.  Also, apple sells a Bluetooth keyboard that works
pretty good with the IPhone.  I only type text messages, not emails.  I
would use the blue tooth keyboard if I were using it for email.

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I have a really difficult time typing 
On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions
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Behalf Of Aser Tolentino
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

Hello John,
Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you
seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me
from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I
really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the
Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant
solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it
really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it
just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad,
Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require
independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while
far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual
equivalent.
That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow,
but that's how i see it for now.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you
guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I
need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like
that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a
notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy
as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you
guys think?
> 
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 19:20:14 2011
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:20:14 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <CAE118EE8B8A480BB0CAB949101E76AD@DHRL6TC1>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>
	<AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
	<E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
	<CAE118EE8B8A480BB0CAB949101E76AD@DHRL6TC1>
Message-ID: <22BDD6DC-BE31-48AD-B069-3C8B19F61E16@gmail.com>

I've actually found it easier to touch type than use the older method referred to as standard, enough so that I write shorter emails on the iPhone.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:11, "Daniel K. Beitz" <dbeitz at wiennergould.com> wrote:

> This may sound crass, but you may want to keep practicing, because
> eventually you get better.  Try using two fingers to do it, one to highlight
> the number or letter, and the other to tap the keyboard.  Make sure settings
> aren't set so that the minute you lift up your finger the key is entered.
> That makes it hard.  Also, apple sells a Bluetooth keyboard that works
> pretty good with the IPhone.  I only type text messages, not emails.  I
> would use the blue tooth keyboard if I were using it for email.
> 
> -------------------------------------------
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> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:56 PM
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers
> 
> I have a really difficult time typing 
> On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions
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> Behalf Of Aser Tolentino
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers
> 
> Hello John,
> Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you
> seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me
> from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I
> really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the
> Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant
> solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it
> really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it
> just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad,
> Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require
> independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while
> far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual
> equivalent.
> That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow,
> but that's how i see it for now.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Aser Tolentino, Esq.
> (916) 572-2737
> agtolentino at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you
> guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
> The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I
> need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like
> that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a
> notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy
> as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you
> guys think?
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 25 22:05:14 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:05:14 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Trustee office opening - San Diego CA.
Message-ID: <5B49D9304C62443FB8C16F81C9DB19CC@none8a46117901>

U.S. Department of Justice U.S. Trustee Program Region 15/San Diego, California (1) Trial Attorney GS-905-12/13/14/15 Announcement No. 1598-UT-11-379 Open 07/25/11 Close: 08/15/11. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/trialattvacsandiego.htm 



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Admitted to Practice in
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 26 12:51:43 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:51:43 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney job
Message-ID: <EA7B546F879941F381A0545E64397C41@none8a46117901>

  * U.S. Department of Justice Office of Information Policy Experienced Attorney/GS-12 Announcement: OIP ATY 11-003 The position will be open until August 15, 2011 or until filled.  
http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/oip-aty-11-003.htm 



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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Tue Jul 26 19:40:52 2011
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:40:52 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] NOTETAKERS
References: <AD98406A851045EB9DCFE6C29B9D69E2@none8a46117901>
Message-ID: <155A07A47CBE434CA412734F70E9443F@victory2>

Hi John:

If being able to READ PDF formatted documents is important to you, I suggest 
you give the BrailleSensePlus from HIMS, Inc. a test drive.  It won't open 
and read SCANNED PDF documents without having performed some OCR on it; 
other than that, properly tagged PDF documents open and read just fine.

Another good point with this notetaker:  You can change your own batteries! 
The tech support is reasonably stellar compared to that of Humanware's.

Just my two cents.  And BTW, HIMS, Inc. now has a U.S.-based office in 
Austin, Texas; no need to SHIP EQUIPMENT to the ENDS OF THE EARTH for minor 
repairs or to have your batteries changed should either need arise.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Jul 27 15:23:47 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:23:47 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Two New Web Features for Law Students and
 Prospective Law Students
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D9A3581@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:16 PM
To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG
Subject: Two New Web Features for Law Students and Prospective Law Students

The Commission today released two web features to primarily help law students with disabilities and prospective law students with disabilities:


 1.  Requesting Accommodations for the LSAT<http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources/lsat_accom.html> has a concise listing of procedures, tips, and deadlines concerning requests for accommodations on the Law School Admission Test (LSAT). There are links to additional resources, and a case listing of lawsuits by individuals seeking accommodations for the LSAT will be forthcoming.
 2.  Law School Disability Programs Directory<http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources/law_school_programs.html>, while not entirely new, has received a fresh look and some updated information. This state-by-state directory lists all ABA-approved law schools and their submitted information concerning disability law courses, extra/co-curricular activities focusing on disability law or law students with disabilities, clinics that handle disability law, and other relevant information. The portion of the directory containing contact information on disability support contacts was recently updated to include nearly all of the schools' disability resource centers. This directory is a good place to start when selecting a law school or for employers who would like to know what law schools are accommodating to students with disabilities or students with an interest in disability law.

You can find out additional web features from the Commission on our resources page.<http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources.html>

In the coming weeks, the Commission will be announcing additional web features, so please stay tuned.

Best,

William J. Phelan, IV, Esq.
Special Projects & Technology Coordinator
   Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law
American Bar Association
740 15th Street, NW, 9th Fl.
Washington, DC 20005-1022

T: 202-662-1576
F: 202-442-3439
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Jul 27 18:56:03 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:56:03 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Job Posting for Co-Director of Litigation at
 Disability Rights Advocates
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D9A364E@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



-----Original Message-----
From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:36 AM
To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG
Subject: FW: Job Posting for Co-Director of Litigation at Disability Rights Advocates

Job position for those in CA. 

William J. Phelan, IV, Esq.
Special Projects & Technology Coordinator
   ABA Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law
T: 202-662-1576
william.phelan at americanbar.org
http://www.americanbar.org/disability


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Subject: [DRBA] Job Posting for Co-Director of Litigation at Disability Rights Advocates

Dear Listmates,   we are opening a search for a new Co-Director of
Litigation at Disability Rights Advocates.  The job posting is attached.
Sid Wolinsky and I are not leaving, but we are looking to bring in the next generation of leadership for the organization.  Please share this job posting with other listservs and forward it to any people that you
think might be interested.   We are looking for an attorney with
significant class action experience who will commit to a leadership role
at our organization.   Thanks for any help you can provide in spreading
word of this opportunity.  Sincerely,  Larry Paradis


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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 29 19:30:56 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:30:56 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Multiple job postings
Message-ID: <DB0D95927CB042ABB813CF59528F717D@none8a46117901>

  * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Southern District of Florida Announcement Number 11-SDFL-AUSA-05 Announcement is open until filled. 
  * United States Department of Justice Executive Office for Immigration Review Chairman (Extending Closing Date to August 12, 2011) Applications received after August 12, 2011 will not be considered.
  * United States Department of Justice Executive Office for Immigration Review Deputy Director (Extending Closing Date to August 12, 2011) Applications received after August 12, 2011 will not be considered.
  * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office for the Criminal Division District of Puerto Rico 11-PRAUSA-02 Applications must be received by August 12, 2011. 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From womankind at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 29 20:26:29 2011
From: womankind at earthlink.net (Stephanie Ortoleva)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:26:29 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] books on women and girls with disabilities
In-Reply-To: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D9A3581@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed .gov>
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 13:07:23 2011
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:07:23 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Scanner
Message-ID: <CAGZitzLeeBDKM=8mvRncLfP7pUrC-MCUu2AE3DeCD=3816krLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am planning to buy a scanner in the next couple of weeks. I am
looking for something that would be able to cope with reasonably large
scale automatic document feeding but which would allow for flat bed
scanning too, if and when necessary.

Advice on this would be really welcome.

Ger


From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 13:12:44 2011
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:12:44 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Labelling Papers and Files
Message-ID: <CAGZitzK=vGgiHKYzHJnE-6gOVwLzc=Od+1qC_mqCHhNRX5g=4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Could people give me suggestions as to the best way of labelling legal
files and individual papers within the file accurately for a blind
person?

Thanks

Ger


From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 13:10:44 2011
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:10:44 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
Message-ID: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making
speaking notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or
do others have other suggestions?

I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.

Your help on this would be great.

Ger


From william.burley3 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 14:09:55 2011
From: william.burley3 at gmail.com (William Burley)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:09:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Scanner
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzLeeBDKM=8mvRncLfP7pUrC-MCUu2AE3DeCD=3816krLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitzLeeBDKM=8mvRncLfP7pUrC-MCUu2AE3DeCD=3816krLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4e3410b3.02aaec0a.4a27.1bec@mx.google.com>

I use a Canon D464-90 at my office.  It allows for document feeding and flat
bed scanning...as well as faxing, copying and printing.  I use Kurzwilde and
I just had to download the TWAIN driver for the Canon. 

Hope this helps.

William

William Burley
(713) 614-3322
William.burley3 at gmail.com 

www.facebook.com/wburley3 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:07 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Scanner

Hi all,

I am planning to buy a scanner in the next couple of weeks. I am
looking for something that would be able to cope with reasonably large
scale automatic document feeding but which would allow for flat bed
scanning too, if and when necessary.

Advice on this would be really welcome.

Ger

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From william.burley3 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 14:10:44 2011
From: william.burley3 at gmail.com (William Burley)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:10:44 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Labelling Papers and Files
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzK=vGgiHKYzHJnE-6gOVwLzc=Od+1qC_mqCHhNRX5g=4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitzK=vGgiHKYzHJnE-6gOVwLzc=Od+1qC_mqCHhNRX5g=4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4e3410e4.24aeec0a.1c7f.ffff81af@mx.google.com>

Do you mean Bates labeling or a brief title of the document?

William Burley
(713) 614-3322
William.burley3 at gmail.com 

www.facebook.com/wburley3 


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:13 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Labelling Papers and Files

Hi all,

Could people give me suggestions as to the best way of labelling legal
files and individual papers within the file accurately for a blind
person?

Thanks

Ger

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From rfarber at jw.com  Sat Jul 30 15:46:29 2011
From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:46:29 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>

I use braille on index cards.  I have also seen others use a small note taker, 18 braille cells.

Randy 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:11 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes

Hi all,

I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making speaking notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or do others have other suggestions?

I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.

Your help on this would be great.

Ger

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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 17:18:22 2011
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:18:22 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] scanner
Message-ID: <CAGZitzK-Z=CAB2t5Uq9NxAM5PH4NTnMjm87NsVH+3Mzuq-ngpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi William,

Thanks. How many pages could the feeder on your scanner process per hour say?

Regarding file labels, I guess I may need both dates and descriptions.

Thanks,
Ger


From william.burley3 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 18:32:53 2011
From: william.burley3 at gmail.com (William Burley)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:32:53 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] scanner
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzK-Z=CAB2t5Uq9NxAM5PH4NTnMjm87NsVH+3Mzuq-ngpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitzK-Z=CAB2t5Uq9NxAM5PH4NTnMjm87NsVH+3Mzuq-ngpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4e344e55.02aaec0a.49ff.2398@mx.google.com>

Ger,

I think the document feeder holds about 40 - 50 pages at one given time.
It's pretty fast, although I will have to look when I get back to the
office.  

I think there is an option within Word that allows for Bates labeling.  Let
me check on that, too.  I know WordPerfect has that option but not sure what
it's called in Word.

William Burley
(713) 614-3322
William.burley3 at gmail.com 

www.facebook.com/wburley3 


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:18 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] scanner

Hi William,

Thanks. How many pages could the feeder on your scanner process per hour
say?

Regarding file labels, I guess I may need both dates and descriptions.

Thanks,
Ger

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From paulharpur at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 20:15:50 2011
From: paulharpur at gmail.com (Paul Harpur)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:15:50 +1000
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
In-Reply-To: <3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>

I lecture at university and I use a laptop with some notes on it and have a
headphone in.  
I know one prof who is blind uses braille notes.
Another at conferences has his wife read his speech onto tape and just
repeats it while listening.  I tried that a few time with speeches at home
but I found it was very hard to have emotions etc.  For conferences I just
memorize the speech.  it is harder but looks very impressive.
Oh, a lawyer I know uses braille for some court work but needs a laptop for
making notes for cross examination.  


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Farber, Randy
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2011 1:46 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes

I use braille on index cards.  I have also seen others use a small note
taker, 18 braille cells.

Randy 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:11 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes

Hi all,

I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making speaking
notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or do others have
other suggestions?

I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.

Your help on this would be great.

Ger

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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Sat Jul 30 20:31:18 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:31:18 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com><3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>
	<000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>
Message-ID: <5F1F23A2E12145FE914FD6CD61D4C4FC@none8a46117901>

When I am in court, at an administrative hearing or giving some sort of 
presentation, I tend to use my laptop in conjunction with a blue tooth 
earpiece.  Most laptops these days are compatible with a blue tooth earpiece 
of most manufacture, and I find it is easier to use that a wired earpiece. 
Those darn things keep getting my hand wrapped in them whenever I try to use 
them.
 I refer to my notes and can take notes that way.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Harpur" <paulharpur at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes


>I lecture at university and I use a laptop with some notes on it and have a
> headphone in.
> I know one prof who is blind uses braille notes.
> Another at conferences has his wife read his speech onto tape and just
> repeats it while listening.  I tried that a few time with speeches at home
> but I found it was very hard to have emotions etc.  For conferences I just
> memorize the speech.  it is harder but looks very impressive.
> Oh, a lawyer I know uses braille for some court work but needs a laptop 
> for
> making notes for cross examination.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Farber, Randy
> Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2011 1:46 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
>
> I use braille on index cards.  I have also seen others use a small note
> taker, 18 braille cells.
>
> Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:11 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making 
> speaking
> notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or do others 
> have
> other suggestions?
>
> I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.
>
> Your help on this would be great.
>
> Ger
>
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From dravant at ameritech.net  Sat Jul 30 20:43:20 2011
From: dravant at ameritech.net (Denise Avant)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 15:43:20 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
In-Reply-To: <000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>
	<000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>
Message-ID: <A98C9392-7246-477F-B47D-8F7F2F0BD214@ameritech.net>

hello,
A lot will depend on how familiar and comfortable you are with Braille. If you have a good memory and do not want to use index cards, you can outline your presentation in Braille on regular size paper.

On Jul 30, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Paul Harpur wrote:

> I lecture at university and I use a laptop with some notes on it and have a
> headphone in.  
> I know one prof who is blind uses braille notes.
> Another at conferences has his wife read his speech onto tape and just
> repeats it while listening.  I tried that a few time with speeches at home
> but I found it was very hard to have emotions etc.  For conferences I just
> memorize the speech.  it is harder but looks very impressive.
> Oh, a lawyer I know uses braille for some court work but needs a laptop for
> making notes for cross examination.  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Farber, Randy
> Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2011 1:46 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
> 
> I use braille on index cards.  I have also seen others use a small note
> taker, 18 braille cells.
> 
> Randy 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:11 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making speaking
> notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or do others have
> other suggestions?
> 
> I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.
> 
> Your help on this would be great.
> 
> Ger
> 
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From jimi-law at dc.rr.com  Sat Jul 30 22:44:53 2011
From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 15:44:53 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
In-Reply-To: <5F1F23A2E12145FE914FD6CD61D4C4FC@none8a46117901>
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com><3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com><000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>
	<5F1F23A2E12145FE914FD6CD61D4C4FC@none8a46117901>
Message-ID: <0E3D4765F7AC4A34BE5A4A5213CEBDEA@Blind>

What Bluetooth and screen reading software are you using?  I have tried that
with JAWS and cannot get it to work.  Called Freedom Scientific and they
said use "wireless."

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ross Doerr
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:31 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes

When I am in court, at an administrative hearing or giving some sort of 
presentation, I tend to use my laptop in conjunction with a blue tooth 
earpiece.  Most laptops these days are compatible with a blue tooth earpiece

of most manufacture, and I find it is easier to use that a wired earpiece. 
Those darn things keep getting my hand wrapped in them whenever I try to use

them.
 I refer to my notes and can take notes that way.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Harpur" <paulharpur at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes


>I lecture at university and I use a laptop with some notes on it and have a
> headphone in.
> I know one prof who is blind uses braille notes.
> Another at conferences has his wife read his speech onto tape and just
> repeats it while listening.  I tried that a few time with speeches at home
> but I found it was very hard to have emotions etc.  For conferences I just
> memorize the speech.  it is harder but looks very impressive.
> Oh, a lawyer I know uses braille for some court work but needs a laptop 
> for
> making notes for cross examination.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Farber, Randy
> Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2011 1:46 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
>
> I use braille on index cards.  I have also seen others use a small note
> taker, 18 braille cells.
>
> Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:11 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making 
> speaking
> notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or do others 
> have
> other suggestions?
>
> I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.
>
> Your help on this would be great.
>
> Ger
>
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From roger at roger.ca  Sun Jul 31 02:03:07 2011
From: roger at roger.ca (roger at roger.ca)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:03:07 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
In-Reply-To: <0E3D4765F7AC4A34BE5A4A5213CEBDEA@Blind>
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com><3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com><000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>
	<5F1F23A2E12145FE914FD6CD61D4C4FC@none8a46117901>
	<0E3D4765F7AC4A34BE5A4A5213CEBDEA@Blind>
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Hello,

I'm new the this e-mail list.  I'm looking for websites or resources to
assist prospective blind students to prepare for the LSAT.  Most of the
preporatory information that I have found involves one drawing diagrams to
solve the logic questions on the LSAT.  I'm blind and I'd like to apply to
law school.

If you are a current law student, I'd also like to talk to you too.

Thanks in advance.
God bless,
Roger Khouri






From cdborne at gmail.com  Sun Jul 31 16:28:45 2011
From: cdborne at gmail.com (Craig Borne)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:28:45 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Dragon Naturally Speaking
Message-ID: <02a801cc4f9e$ec2226f0$c46674d0$@com>

Good afternoon, all.

Not exactly a legal profession-related question, but does have to do with
dictation of letters, etc.

Does anyone know of a way to access Dragon Naturally Speaking using
Microsoft Word without paying hundreds of extra dollars for the J Speak
software?

I'm bleeding money hear, and if the Dragon software is accessible some other
way, I would be very happy.

Thank you,

Craig

 


From shaunreim at gmail.com  Fri Jul  1 21:35:46 2011
From: shaunreim at gmail.com (Shaun Reimers)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 15:35:46 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: job opening - King County Superior Court -
	Dependency CASA Program Manager
In-Reply-To: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064F3ABC8@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
References: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064F3ABC8@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <08DC8D23-5BC5-4F04-AF7D-20B7AEC515A3@gmail.com>

Perfect job for me. Read qualifications...

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 30, 2011, at 3:29 PM, "Nightingale, Noel" <Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov> wrote:

> 
> 
> From: Hullett, Judith [mailto:Judith.Hullett at kingcounty.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:27 PM
> To: Hullett, Judith
> Subject: job opening - King County Superior Court - Dependency CASA Program Manager
> 
> Good afternoon,
> 
> You are receiving this email as an officer of a specialty bar association.  The attached job announcement is for King County Superior Court's Dependency CASA Program Manager position.  We are seeking qualified applicants for the attached job and are asking that you please distribute this to your organization's members.
> 
> Please be advised that the position is posted on and applications are processed through www.governmentjobs.com<http://www.governmentjobs.com>
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Judy Hullett, MPA, PHR
> King County Superior Court
> Sr. Human Resources Analyst
> *206-296-9298
> 6206-205-8271
> judith.hullett at kingcounty.gov<mailto:judith.hullett at kingcounty.gov>
> 
> <Dependency CASA Mgr 06-30-11.docx>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul  1 21:46:31 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 17:46:31 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney posting - anti-trust division
Message-ID: <7091DA8D905C48CFB0934F8638A3E796@none8a46117901>

  * TRIAL ATTORNEYS (GS-0905-15) U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ANTITRUST DIVISION Applications must be received no later than July 15, 2011 http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/e11-02-005nyfotlss.htm 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jul  2 05:41:47 2011
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 22:41:47 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind person as a witness question
In-Reply-To: <D60223A02238406F975B8E067B606EA5@owner1b4ab732f>
References: <D60223A02238406F975B8E067B606EA5@owner1b4ab732f>
Message-ID: <FFA11CC18CEB434286722DCCD731CF90@spike>

in most instances the documents can be read to him and he can then be asked 
about the content of the documents.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tammy Cantrell" <t.l.cantrell at comcast.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind person as a witness question


> Hello,
> I need info.  I have a blind person that has to be in court.  He has to 
> read and verify documents to be submitted into evidence.  Are there 
> reasonable accommodations for this situation?  The person does not have 
> the portable technology to use.  If he borrows something, he isn't going 
> to be proficient with it.  His testamony is required because he is the 
> person that filed the complaint.  I doubt I could help him since I am on 
> the witness list.  If you have any suggestions, please share them with me. 
> This is very important.
>
> Thanks!
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From kolby12091988 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 02:42:54 2011
From: kolby12091988 at gmail.com (Kolby Garrison)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 22:42:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography
Message-ID: <CAHog7eeE4triO3Rb5FfPDKugeJCXrbaPbQSLXKonwnPxVO3mDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,
My name is Kolby, and I am a prospective stenography student. I am
totally blind, and I am looking to connect with blind people who are
working in the stenography field. I am wondering if anyone knows of
any blind stenographers, court reporters, scopists, transcriptionists,
captioners, etc?
Thank you,
Kolby


From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Jul  7 19:30:20 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 15:30:20 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney Posting - criminal - overseas prosecution -
	central America
Message-ID: <9F00A8DDAECA4B38A6F38E08C67D6B3A@none8a46117901>

  * EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY, GS-905-14/15 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, CRIMINAL DIVISION OFFICE OF OVERSEAS PROSECUTORIAL DEVELOPMENT, ASSISTANCE AND TRAINING REGIONAL LEGAL ADVISOR FOR CENTRAL AMERICA REIMBURSABLE DETAIL OPPORTUNITY 11-CRM-DET-032 Applications for this position will be accepted until the position is filled. http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-crm-det-032.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul 10 04:29:53 2011
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 21:29:53 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Blind Would-be Law Student Says Test
	Discriminates -NPR
In-Reply-To: <91AAF0CBEF90432EA524A8EA85C170D2@elizabethrene>
References: <91AAF0CBEF90432EA524A8EA85C170D2@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <03AC9614A4F14A69880D9D9864D258F5@spike>

you make some good points. Although I didn't go to law school I took the 
LSAT in about 1974 with an amanuensis as you did. and I took it mainly to 
find out what it was like. My score was fair the problem being that I did 
not have adequate time to prepare for the test as it was during a full-time 
internship with a court. Subsequently my career goals changed as a result of 
the internship which led me more in the direction of Social work at that 
time. The point is that at time and for many years prior to that there have 
been many blind law students and judges. I know several at that time that 
graduated from top tier law schools and did very well in spite of the LSAT 
guidelines. To play "the Devil's advocate" here perhaps having to 
individually deal with these factors gives the blind law school applicant 
preparation for functioning in the real world practice of law where lawyers 
have to use their own ingenuity and resources whether they are blind or 
sighted. Do we with all of this accommodation actually in some ways do a 
disservice to ourselves as legal professionals by not being adequately 
prepared to address these issues. When I made a career change and attended a 
paralegal studies program at a community college they never had a blind 
student enrolled and while the community college provided many services to 
disabled students the program chair as well as college disabled services 
staff were surprised how I totally took charge of the situation only 
requiring readers for test taking. Granted it was much easier this time when 
in school compared to the 70's and 80's when getting bachelor's and master's 
degrees due to the availability of on line resources and OCR software for 
reading printed material but there was a certain sense of accomplishment for 
blind students in earlier days as they had to develop a greater degree of 
ingenuity to succeed not only in school but in the real world of employment.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 8:22 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Blind Would-be Law Student Says Test 
Discriminates -NPR


>I too am appalled that aspiring law students are hindered in their efforts
> to gain law school admission by the structure of the LSAT and by the
> conditions on which the test is given and interpreted.
>
> But something about the NPR article bothers me, and it jumps up to bite me
> right in the first paragraph.
>
> Are blind college grads really getting low LSAT scores because they are
> invited to draw diagrams for themselves in order to ease their approach to
> complex questions?  Or is that just something an uninitiated reporter
> gleaned from a complex interview in hopes of reaching the general public?
>
> Only well into the article did I read that law schools are still warned 
> that
> an LSAT test taken with reasonable accommodations has questionable 
> validity,
> and that top-tier schools decline an option to disregard the LSAT
> altogether.
>
> Granted, one would think that the validity of standardized academic 
> aptitude
> test scores earned under the tightly controlled conditions on which 
> specific
> accommodations have been granted over the past 50 years or so should have
> been proven by now.  If not, why not?  And if there are pictures or 
> diagrams
> in the test questions themselves that can't be replicated tactilely for 
> blind
> students, why is that so?
>
> But if the whole thrust of a blind person's argument for higher education 
> or
> employment is that he or she can find alternate means to solve a sighted
> person's problems, why should that blind test-taker balk at being invited 
> to
> draw a picture to help him or her think more clearly?
>
> That diagram's only for ordinary people.
>
> If one doesn't think visually, noone can make him do that for a test.
>
> And what about this concern about top-tier law schools?  Didn't Jacobus
> Tenbroek graduate from UC Berkeley's Boalt Hall?  Or was it Stanford?
> Didn't the NFB's own Peggy Pinder get her JD from Harvard or Yale?  What 
> did
> they do with the LSAT?
>
> I took the LSAT in early 1975.  I had to wait three years from leaving
> college for permission to take it in Braille, with an amanuensis to write
> the answers.  The dreaded warning went with my scores.  But I got accepted
> by three of the six law schools I applied to, and waiting listed by the
> other three.  Had my undergraduate grades been better, those other schools
> might have accepted me, too.
>
> After law school, I got to do the work I wanted.  And I had to deal with
> visual evidence, and to make visual evidence understandable to juries and 
> to
> appellate judges every day.  And as every lawyer knows, this had to be 
> done
> in an adversary setting.
>
> Yes, I agree that the LSAT, the GRE, and other such tests have to be made
> more accessible so as not to discriminate unlawfully.
>
> But maybe they're a wake-up call to those who might be confronted for the
> first time with what they'll encounter on the job.  And maybe that second-
> or third-tier law school, with a fat scholarship for those who excel, 
> might
> not look so bad.
>
> One great thing about there being more and more of us blind lawyers and
> other professionals is that no one needs to pull blind test-taking and
> lawyering skills from the air.  They've already been learned, and they can
> be shared.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul 10 06:20:14 2011
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 23:20:14 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Mac Users Out There?
In-Reply-To: <008101cc2ec0$ad9d7dc0$6b01a8c0@server>
References: <4dfd79f3.6a4eec0a.1db4.203f@mx.google.com>	<401C74C4484940A383C7841AE633E075@D3J75Z91><004a01cc2e98$ae2b9420$6b01a8c0@server><001101cc2e9b$bdf79630$39e6c290$@wiennergould.com><2F37C39C-5507-4822-95C7-37F2FC16CA74@sbcglobal.net>
	<008101cc2ec0$ad9d7dc0$6b01a8c0@server>
Message-ID: <46C2B5F8BC3947969585BB3CE14EA6B1@spike>

I'm running behind on emails but it would also be interesting to know how 
various types of specific legal software such as calendaring, case 
management programs and other software interfaces with the Mac.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Mac Users Out There?


> Hello Mark and everyone,
>
> It will be very helpful for us to hear from blind users who have real 
> world experience using the Mac.  I have just spent a month upgrading to 
> Windows 7 as a result of needing new server hardware, and we are still 
> limping along with less functionality than before the upgrade. The cost to 
> me in lost time, lost functionality, decreased efficiency of my employees 
> and myself, and the cost of paying my employees salaries while they figure 
> out how to do their work in this new and unfamiliar environment is totally 
> unwarranted. As a result I have decided that we will be moving to a Mac or 
> Linux solution, and I am hopeful that it can be the Mac using voiceover. 
> Since one of my objectives is to eliminate Windows based programs from my 
> office if possible, I am not interested in using bootcamp or fusion. If 
> you could tell us about the programs you have used with voiceover, and 
> which have worked well and which have not, it would be very valuable.
>
> As attorneys we more often than not work with M.S. Word files, though I do 
> not think that this means we must use M.S. Word or office.  Which Apple 
> Mac word processors have you used with voiceover, and are they able to 
> open, work with, and then save files in Word format?
>
> Next, I would be curious to know which Apple Mac email programs are 
> provided with or can be purchased with the Mac, and how well they work 
> with Voiceover.  How easy is it to save attachments with these programs, 
> and how easy is it to create folders and move messages into them from the 
> inbox.
>
> Next, which web browsers are provided or available for the Mac using 
> Voiceover, and what are their pros and cons when compared to IE or 
> Firebox?
>
> Have you had any experience with backup software for the Mac, since this 
> is very important for a law firm?
>
> For those of us who are blind, optical character recognition software has 
> become an important part of our accessibility arsenal. I was pleased to 
> learn this morning that ABBY Finereader has a version of their OCR 
> software for the Mac called Abby Express.  I use ABBYY frequently on our 
> Windows machines, so this removes a big obstacle when considering whether 
> or not to move to the Mac. Have you had any experience with this program 
> or any other OCR software on the Mac?  The only criticism that I saw about 
> ABBY Express, was that it uses a twain interface, which is apparently not 
> standard on the Mac.  Other than that, users thought it did an excellent 
> job on optical character recognition.
>
> Have you read or scanned books on the Mac, and if so, what scanner and 
> software do you use?  I do most of my reading with Kurzweil under Windows, 
> because I like many of its  features such as that both lines and pages can 
> be of any length, and are not artificially imposed as is the case with 
> most word processors such as M.S. Word.  This is particularly important 
> for reading books, where one must know their actual location in a book to 
> create accurate citations.  Additionally, I find Kurzweil's multilevel 
> bookmark system to be very helpful when reading case documents and 
> pleadings.  I have been hoping that  Kurzweil would make a Mac version 
> available, but I have heard nothing to suggest that this might happen.
>
> I want to thank Mark and others for reading this lengthy email, and I 
> would really appreciate hearing your thoughts.
>
> All the best,
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Mac Users Out There?
>
>
>>I use a mac for almost everything, for what it's worth.  I offer tutoring 
>>services (write of list) or will just answer questions if I can. I'm not a 
>>lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but I use a Mac and like it MUCH better 
>>than the PC.
>>
>> Mark BurningHawk
>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> Home:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>> Namaste!
>>
>>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 11 20:33:39 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:33:39 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney job posting
Message-ID: <31512D5015C44BA8B54FCEAA80E3FE07@none8a46117901>



  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EXECUTIVE OFFICE FOR UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE OF LEGAL AND VICTIM PROGRAMS ATTORNEY ADVISOR GS-0905-15 VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NO: 11-EOUSA-009 Closing date July 25, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/11-eousa-009.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From cannona at fireantproductions.com  Mon Jul 11 22:24:08 2011
From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:24:08 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
Message-ID: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

I am rather frustrated, and I'm wondering if folks can offer any input
on a situation I am having.

I recently had a job interview that I feel went very well.  The
employer seemed reasonably impressed by my qualifications, and seemed
to have no issue with my blindness.  As part of the hiring process,
they asked me to take a PHP test (PHP is a programming language).

This test, along with many other employment qualifications tests are
offered by a company known as PreVisor.  Anyway, I went to take the
test, but as you might have guessed, it was not accessible.  The exam
was actually just fine for the first couple of questions, but on one
of the questions, I was asked to look at a section of source code, and
the source code was unreadable by my screen reader.

Here's what I suspect happened.  In order to preserve the security of
the exam, they thought it would be a good idea to make the source code
snippet into an image.  They likely did this so you can't just copy
and paste the text.  Otherwise, I can think of no other reason to do
that.

Now, my employer has been really great about this.  They have been
working with me, and I'm sure we'll find some alternative means for me
to show them my PHP skills.  However, the inaccessibility of PreVisor
really disturbs me.  What's worse is their seeming complete
disinterest in fixing the problem.

When I contacted them about it, they basically told me that there was
nothing that could be done.  That's just how it was.  When I asked if
they would give me a little extra time to answer each question so the
source code could be read to me, (normally you get only 3 minutes) the
answer was again, "no."

What really upsets me is these people are in many instances the
gatekeepers for jobs.  For a lot of folks, they determine whether or
not a person gets hired.  How many people are going to be shut out of
jobs, or at the very least not considered on the same level as their
sighted co-applicants because of this companies apathy?

I don't know if anything can be done about this, legally or otherwise,
hence my email to this list.  I just know that it seems very wrong to
me, and is something that is likely to harm the job chances of other
blind folks in the future.

As a side note, their testing services appear to be used by many
different companies and organizations, including by the government
(which branch or at what level, I don't know).

Anyway, any thoughts or ideas on this situation would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Aaron


From tmatzick06 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 01:21:21 2011
From: tmatzick06 at gmail.com (Tara Chavez)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:21:21 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography
In-Reply-To: <CAHog7eeE4triO3Rb5FfPDKugeJCXrbaPbQSLXKonwnPxVO3mDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHog7eeE4triO3Rb5FfPDKugeJCXrbaPbQSLXKonwnPxVO3mDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007601cc4032$034c5b60$09e51220$@com>

Hi Kolby,
I too am looking for someone in the field you are. If you hear anything,
please contact me off list. I haven't had much luck thus far...
Thank you,
Tara


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Kolby Garrison
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:43 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Stenography

Hello Everyone,
My name is Kolby, and I am a prospective stenography student. I am totally
blind, and I am looking to connect with blind people who are working in the
stenography field. I am wondering if anyone knows of any blind
stenographers, court reporters, scopists, transcriptionists, captioners,
etc?
Thank you,
Kolby

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From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us  Tue Jul 12 12:32:09 2011
From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC))
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:32:09 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
In-Reply-To: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864C7CEA35@tiger>

There are several things you can do. First, and you probably have already done this, post it to the computer science list. Curtis may have an idea, and some of the other programmers may have experienced the same thing. Secondly, you may want to find out who else they work with, particularly the Government. All though I am not qualified to speak to the law, it would appear to be a violation of Federal accessibility law. Those of you who have passed the bars can speak to it better.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:24 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test

Hi all.

I am rather frustrated, and I'm wondering if folks can offer any input on a situation I am having.

I recently had a job interview that I feel went very well.  The employer seemed reasonably impressed by my qualifications, and seemed to have no issue with my blindness.  As part of the hiring process, they asked me to take a PHP test (PHP is a programming language).

This test, along with many other employment qualifications tests are offered by a company known as PreVisor.  Anyway, I went to take the test, but as you might have guessed, it was not accessible.  The exam was actually just fine for the first couple of questions, but on one of the questions, I was asked to look at a section of source code, and the source code was unreadable by my screen reader.

Here's what I suspect happened.  In order to preserve the security of the exam, they thought it would be a good idea to make the source code snippet into an image.  They likely did this so you can't just copy and paste the text.  Otherwise, I can think of no other reason to do that.

Now, my employer has been really great about this.  They have been working with me, and I'm sure we'll find some alternative means for me to show them my PHP skills.  However, the inaccessibility of PreVisor really disturbs me.  What's worse is their seeming complete disinterest in fixing the problem.

When I contacted them about it, they basically told me that there was nothing that could be done.  That's just how it was.  When I asked if they would give me a little extra time to answer each question so the source code could be read to me, (normally you get only 3 minutes) the answer was again, "no."

What really upsets me is these people are in many instances the gatekeepers for jobs.  For a lot of folks, they determine whether or not a person gets hired.  How many people are going to be shut out of jobs, or at the very least not considered on the same level as their sighted co-applicants because of this companies apathy?

I don't know if anything can be done about this, legally or otherwise, hence my email to this list.  I just know that it seems very wrong to me, and is something that is likely to harm the job chances of other blind folks in the future.

As a side note, their testing services appear to be used by many different companies and organizations, including by the government (which branch or at what level, I don't know).

Anyway, any thoughts or ideas on this situation would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Aaron

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From cannona at fireantproductions.com  Tue Jul 12 14:57:34 2011
From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:57:34 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
In-Reply-To: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864C7CEA35@tiger>
References: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>
	<8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864C7CEA35@tiger>
Message-ID: <CAERFoOi0rKL9HiGcurO_6eQZkzRSEG9mn9FvsN0J6Am4p743xg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David.

Thanks for the ideas.  I didn't even think of the NFBCS list.  Not
sure why.  Anyway, I sent them the story.

I'll also try and find out more who their clients are, government and otherwise.

Thanks.

Aaron

On 7/12/11, Hyde, David W. (ESC) <david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us> wrote:
> There are several things you can do. First, and you probably have already
> done this, post it to the computer science list. Curtis may have an idea,
> and some of the other programmers may have experienced the same thing.
> Secondly, you may want to find out who else they work with, particularly the
> Government. All though I am not qualified to speak to the law, it would
> appear to be a violation of Federal accessibility law. Those of you who have
> passed the bars can speak to it better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Aaron Cannon
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 5:24 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
>
> Hi all.
>
> I am rather frustrated, and I'm wondering if folks can offer any input on a
> situation I am having.
>
> I recently had a job interview that I feel went very well.  The employer
> seemed reasonably impressed by my qualifications, and seemed to have no
> issue with my blindness.  As part of the hiring process, they asked me to
> take a PHP test (PHP is a programming language).
>
> This test, along with many other employment qualifications tests are offered
> by a company known as PreVisor.  Anyway, I went to take the test, but as you
> might have guessed, it was not accessible.  The exam was actually just fine
> for the first couple of questions, but on one of the questions, I was asked
> to look at a section of source code, and the source code was unreadable by
> my screen reader.
>
> Here's what I suspect happened.  In order to preserve the security of the
> exam, they thought it would be a good idea to make the source code snippet
> into an image.  They likely did this so you can't just copy and paste the
> text.  Otherwise, I can think of no other reason to do that.
>
> Now, my employer has been really great about this.  They have been working
> with me, and I'm sure we'll find some alternative means for me to show them
> my PHP skills.  However, the inaccessibility of PreVisor really disturbs me.
>  What's worse is their seeming complete disinterest in fixing the problem.
>
> When I contacted them about it, they basically told me that there was
> nothing that could be done.  That's just how it was.  When I asked if they
> would give me a little extra time to answer each question so the source code
> could be read to me, (normally you get only 3 minutes) the answer was again,
> "no."
>
> What really upsets me is these people are in many instances the gatekeepers
> for jobs.  For a lot of folks, they determine whether or not a person gets
> hired.  How many people are going to be shut out of jobs, or at the very
> least not considered on the same level as their sighted co-applicants
> because of this companies apathy?
>
> I don't know if anything can be done about this, legally or otherwise, hence
> my email to this list.  I just know that it seems very wrong to me, and is
> something that is likely to harm the job chances of other blind folks in the
> future.
>
> As a side note, their testing services appear to be used by many different
> companies and organizations, including by the government (which branch or at
> what level, I don't know).
>
> Anyway, any thoughts or ideas on this situation would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Aaron
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jul 12 19:02:40 2011
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:02:40 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] fw: blind law grad sues
Message-ID: <auto-000020224268@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>
>
>Blind Law Grad Sues to Win Permission to Use Screenreader Software 
>on Multistate Ethics Exam - News - ABA Journal
>
>
>
>A blind graduate of Vermont Law School has filed a federal lawsuit 
>against the National Conference of Bar Examiners, seeking permission 
>to use the same
>
>screenreader software she relies on in her studies on the Multistate 
>Professional Responsibility Examination.
>
>
>
>The NCBE and co-defendant Act Inc.  offer a number of accommodations 
>to the disabled including Braille, large-print and audio versions of 
>the paper-and-pencil
>
>test.  However, plaintiff Deanna Jones, 44, says they would put her 
>at a disadvantage and prevent her from doing her best on the ethics 
>test, reports the
>
>Associated Press.
>
>
>
>"Whether I can pass with other accommodations is not the question," 
>she says, arguing that everyone wants to do their best on such 
>tests.  "Why should a
>
>disabled person be asked to do any less on an exam?"
>
>
>
>The suit was brought on her behalf in U.S.  District Court in Burlington by
>
>Dan Goldstein,
>
>who represents the National Federation of the Blind.
>
>
>
>Related coverage:
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>Blind Law Grads Sue Over Denied Use of Screen-Access Software on 
>Multistate Bar Exam"
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>9th Circuit Rules Blind Law Grad Can Use Computer Aids, Despite Hacking Fears"
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>4 Law Schools Named in Suit By Blind Advocacy Group Over LSAC's 
>Online Law School Applications"
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/blind_law_grad_sues_to_win
>_permission_to_use_screenreader_software_on_multi/
>
>
>
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Jul 12 19:15:14 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:15:14 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
In-Reply-To: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064FCED43@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

I suggest that you contact the Law Offices of Scot Labarre, who has an employment discrimination practice.  That number in Denver is (303) 504-5979.


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:24 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test

Hi all.

I am rather frustrated, and I'm wondering if folks can offer any input
on a situation I am having.

I recently had a job interview that I feel went very well.  The
employer seemed reasonably impressed by my qualifications, and seemed
to have no issue with my blindness.  As part of the hiring process,
they asked me to take a PHP test (PHP is a programming language).

This test, along with many other employment qualifications tests are
offered by a company known as PreVisor.  Anyway, I went to take the
test, but as you might have guessed, it was not accessible.  The exam
was actually just fine for the first couple of questions, but on one
of the questions, I was asked to look at a section of source code, and
the source code was unreadable by my screen reader.

Here's what I suspect happened.  In order to preserve the security of
the exam, they thought it would be a good idea to make the source code
snippet into an image.  They likely did this so you can't just copy
and paste the text.  Otherwise, I can think of no other reason to do
that.

Now, my employer has been really great about this.  They have been
working with me, and I'm sure we'll find some alternative means for me
to show them my PHP skills.  However, the inaccessibility of PreVisor
really disturbs me.  What's worse is their seeming complete
disinterest in fixing the problem.

When I contacted them about it, they basically told me that there was
nothing that could be done.  That's just how it was.  When I asked if
they would give me a little extra time to answer each question so the
source code could be read to me, (normally you get only 3 minutes) the
answer was again, "no."

What really upsets me is these people are in many instances the
gatekeepers for jobs.  For a lot of folks, they determine whether or
not a person gets hired.  How many people are going to be shut out of
jobs, or at the very least not considered on the same level as their
sighted co-applicants because of this companies apathy?

I don't know if anything can be done about this, legally or otherwise,
hence my email to this list.  I just know that it seems very wrong to
me, and is something that is likely to harm the job chances of other
blind folks in the future.

As a side note, their testing services appear to be used by many
different companies and organizations, including by the government
(which branch or at what level, I don't know).

Anyway, any thoughts or ideas on this situation would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Aaron

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From cannona at fireantproductions.com  Tue Jul 12 19:23:21 2011
From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:23:21 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
In-Reply-To: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064FCED43@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
References: <CAERFoOiLgFiFm-t0spJm+WHy7gJNeL9Ek8-rkp-jxtJJJBe=ug@mail.gmail.com>
	<E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064FCED43@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <CAERFoOij4Gz6un4aoF7=mgs4h=LvmQkBhW6oE9oPEzygFnC2Uw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Noel.

I actually just replied to an email from Scott on this matter.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Aaron

On 7/12/11, Nightingale, Noel <Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov> wrote:
> I suggest that you contact the Law Offices of Scot Labarre, who has an
> employment discrimination practice.  That number in Denver is (303)
> 504-5979.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Aaron Cannon
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:24 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] inaccessible employment qualification test
>
> Hi all.
>
> I am rather frustrated, and I'm wondering if folks can offer any input
> on a situation I am having.
>
> I recently had a job interview that I feel went very well.  The
> employer seemed reasonably impressed by my qualifications, and seemed
> to have no issue with my blindness.  As part of the hiring process,
> they asked me to take a PHP test (PHP is a programming language).
>
> This test, along with many other employment qualifications tests are
> offered by a company known as PreVisor.  Anyway, I went to take the
> test, but as you might have guessed, it was not accessible.  The exam
> was actually just fine for the first couple of questions, but on one
> of the questions, I was asked to look at a section of source code, and
> the source code was unreadable by my screen reader.
>
> Here's what I suspect happened.  In order to preserve the security of
> the exam, they thought it would be a good idea to make the source code
> snippet into an image.  They likely did this so you can't just copy
> and paste the text.  Otherwise, I can think of no other reason to do
> that.
>
> Now, my employer has been really great about this.  They have been
> working with me, and I'm sure we'll find some alternative means for me
> to show them my PHP skills.  However, the inaccessibility of PreVisor
> really disturbs me.  What's worse is their seeming complete
> disinterest in fixing the problem.
>
> When I contacted them about it, they basically told me that there was
> nothing that could be done.  That's just how it was.  When I asked if
> they would give me a little extra time to answer each question so the
> source code could be read to me, (normally you get only 3 minutes) the
> answer was again, "no."
>
> What really upsets me is these people are in many instances the
> gatekeepers for jobs.  For a lot of folks, they determine whether or
> not a person gets hired.  How many people are going to be shut out of
> jobs, or at the very least not considered on the same level as their
> sighted co-applicants because of this companies apathy?
>
> I don't know if anything can be done about this, legally or otherwise,
> hence my email to this list.  I just know that it seems very wrong to
> me, and is something that is likely to harm the job chances of other
> blind folks in the future.
>
> As a side note, their testing services appear to be used by many
> different companies and organizations, including by the government
> (which branch or at what level, I don't know).
>
> Anyway, any thoughts or ideas on this situation would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Aaron
>
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Jul 12 23:40:09 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:40:09 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Service Animals, revised final regulations overview,
 U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, Disability Rights Section
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED9064FCEDF7@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

Technical assistance guidance from DOJ about service animals.

Link:
http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm

Text:
U.S. Department of Justice
Civil Rights Division
Disability Rights Section
Service Animals

The Department of Justice published revised final regulations implementing the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) for title II (State and local government services) and title III (public accommodations and commercial facilities) on

September 15, 2010, in the Federal Register. These requirements, or rules, clarify and refine issues that have arisen over the past 20 years and contain new, and updated, requirements, including the 2010 Standards for Accessible Design (2010 Standards). Overview

This publication provides guidance on the term "service animal" and the service animal provisions in the Department's new regulations.

Beginning on March 15, 2011, only dogs are recognized as service animals under titles II and III of the ADA.

A service animal is a dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for a person with a disability.

Generally, title II and title III entities must permit service animals to accompany people with disabilities in all areas where members of the public are allowed to go.

"Service Animal" Is Defined

Service animals are defined as dogs that are individually trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities. Examples of such work or tasks include guiding people who are blind, alerting people who are deaf, pulling a wheelchair, alerting and protecting a person who is having a seizure, reminding a person with mental illness to take prescribed medications, calming a person with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) during an anxiety attack, or performing other duties. Service animals are working animals, not pets. The work or task a dog has been trained to provide must be directly related to the person's disability. Dogs whose sole function is to provide comfort or emotional support do not qualify as service animals under the ADA.

This definition does not affect or limit the broader definition of "assistance animal" under the Fair Housing Act or the broader definition of "service animal" under the Air Carrier Access Act.

Some State and local laws also define service animal more broadly than the ADA does.  Information about such laws can be obtained from the State attorney general's office.

Where Service Animals Are Allowed

Under the ADA, State and local governments, businesses, and nonprofit organizations that serve the public generally must allow service animals to accompany people with disabilities in all areas of the facility where the public is normally allowed to go. For example, in a hospital it would be inappropriate to exclude a service animal from areas such as patient rooms, clinics, cafeterias, or examination rooms. However, it may be appropriate to exclude a service animal from operating rooms or burn units where the animal's presence may compromise a sterile environment.

Service Animals Must Be Under Control

Under the ADA, service animals must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered, unless these devices interfere with the service animal's work or the individual's disability prevents using these devices. In that case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls.

Inquiries, Exclusions, Charges, and Other Specific Rules Related to Service Animals

When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person's disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task.

Allergies and fear of dogs are not valid reasons for denying access or refusing service to people using service animals. When a person who is allergic to dog dander and a person who uses a service animal must spend time in the same room or facility, for example, in a school classroom or at a homeless shelter, they both should be accommodated by assigning them, if possible, to different locations within the room or different rooms in the facility.

A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken. When there is a legitimate reason to ask that a service animal be removed, staff must offer the person with the disability the opportunity to obtain goods or services without the animal's presence.

Establishments that sell or prepare food must allow service animals in public areas even if state or local health codes prohibit animals on the premises.

People with disabilities who use service animals cannot be isolated from other patrons, treated less favorably than other patrons, or charged fees that are not charged to other patrons without animals. In addition, if a business requires a deposit or fee to be paid by patrons with pets, it must waive the charge for service animals.

If a business such as a hotel normally charges guests for damage that they cause, a customer with a disability may also be charged for damage caused by himself or his service animal.

Staff are not required to provide care or food for a service animal.

Miniature Horses

In addition to the provisions about service dogs, the Department's revised ADA regulations have a new, separate provision about miniature horses that have been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for people with disabilities. (Miniature horses generally range in height from 24 inches to 34 inches measured to the shoulders and generally weigh between 70 and 100 pounds.) Entities covered by the ADA must modify their policies to permit miniature horses where reasonable. The regulations set out four assessment factors to assist entities in determining whether miniature horses can be accommodated in their facility. The assessment factors are (1) whether the miniature horse is housebroken; (2) whether the miniature horse is under the owner's control; (3) whether the facility can accommodate the miniature horse's type, size, and weight; and (4) whether the miniature horse's presence will not compromise legitimate safety requirements necessary for safe operation of the facility.

For more information about the ADA, please visit our website or call our toll-free number.
ADA Website
www.ADA.gov

To receive e-mail notifications when new ADA information is available, visit the ADA Website's home page and click the link near the top of the middle column.

ADA Information Line
800-514-0301 (Voice) and 800-514-0383 (TTY)
24 hours a day to order publications by mail.
M-W, F 9:30 a.m. - 5:30 p.m., Th 12:30 p.m. - 5:30 p.m. (Eastern Time)
to speak with an ADA Specialist. All calls are confidential.

For persons with disabilities, this publication is available in alternate formats.

Duplication of this document is encouraged. July 2011


From jazminruiz12 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 02:28:54 2011
From: jazminruiz12 at gmail.com (jazmin ruiz)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:28:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Re; Blindlaw Stenography
Message-ID: <CAKb-BwNOfkJ0L0vzQDW_ByQKxRZ-Z+9qVK1pNqD35j5Xro3QmA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
American Foundation for the Blind at afb.org career connect shares the story
of a
court reporter who is blind.  It is a good source of information.
Just put "court reporter" in the search box at the top of the page
it should be one of the first search results.

From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us  Wed Jul 13 12:23:57 2011
From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC))
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:23:57 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re; Blindlaw Stenography
In-Reply-To: <CAKb-BwNOfkJ0L0vzQDW_ByQKxRZ-Z+9qVK1pNqD35j5Xro3QmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKb-BwNOfkJ0L0vzQDW_ByQKxRZ-Z+9qVK1pNqD35j5Xro3QmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864C7CEA5C@tiger>

Sandy Halverson in Virginia used to be a court reporter. She may be able to give you some incites.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of jazmin ruiz
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:29 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Re; Blindlaw Stenography

Hi,
American Foundation for the Blind at afb.org career connect shares the story of a court reporter who is blind.  It is a good source of information.
Just put "court reporter" in the search box at the top of the page it should be one of the first search results.
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From jazminruiz12 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 17:51:29 2011
From: jazminruiz12 at gmail.com (jazmin ruiz)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:51:29 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration lawyer or paralegal
Message-ID: <CAKb-BwNvU+rh_71a7N07Q4b3Zs3iOJupCLNrTcU1s4RxqjcBpA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
My name is Jazmin Ruiz, I have recently graduated from John Jay College of
Criminal Justice.
I am searching for a job as a paralegal in the field of immigration law as
an
entry level paralegal.  I was wondering if there are any paralegals or
lawyers working in
the immigration law feild that could give me some more incite into the job?
Thank you everyone.

From cdanielsen8 at aol.com  Wed Jul 13 20:55:37 2011
From: cdanielsen8 at aol.com (Chris Danielsen)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:55:37 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] fw: blind law grad sues
In-Reply-To: <auto-000020224268@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000020224268@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <0BA3DC309DF6438E91856E3BF7728CB5@Scorpio13>

Hello everyone,

Ms. Jones has asked me to clarify that she has not yet graduated from law
school.

Chris
 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:03 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] fw: blind law grad sues


>
>
>Blind Law Grad Sues to Win Permission to Use Screenreader Software on 
>Multistate Ethics Exam - News - ABA Journal
>
>
>
>A blind graduate of Vermont Law School has filed a federal lawsuit 
>against the National Conference of Bar Examiners, seeking permission to 
>use the same
>
>screenreader software she relies on in her studies on the Multistate 
>Professional Responsibility Examination.
>
>
>
>The NCBE and co-defendant Act Inc.  offer a number of accommodations to 
>the disabled including Braille, large-print and audio versions of the 
>paper-and-pencil
>
>test.  However, plaintiff Deanna Jones, 44, says they would put her at 
>a disadvantage and prevent her from doing her best on the ethics test, 
>reports the
>
>Associated Press.
>
>
>
>"Whether I can pass with other accommodations is not the question," 
>she says, arguing that everyone wants to do their best on such tests.  
>"Why should a
>
>disabled person be asked to do any less on an exam?"
>
>
>
>The suit was brought on her behalf in U.S.  District Court in 
>Burlington by
>
>Dan Goldstein,
>
>who represents the National Federation of the Blind.
>
>
>
>Related coverage:
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>Blind Law Grads Sue Over Denied Use of Screen-Access Software on 
>Multistate Bar Exam"
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>9th Circuit Rules Blind Law Grad Can Use Computer Aids, Despite Hacking
Fears"
>
>
>
>ABAJournal.com: "
>
>4 Law Schools Named in Suit By Blind Advocacy Group Over LSAC's Online 
>Law School Applications"
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/blind_law_grad_sues_to_win
>_permission_to_use_screenreader_software_on_multi/
>
>
>



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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed Jul 13 21:44:20 2011
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:44:20 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] another victory against NCBE
Message-ID: <4B36F6179FA04468B7CFDD2C025914E6@labarre>

Greetings, Judge Kotelly issued an opinion today ordering the National Conference  of Bar Examiners to allow our client, Catherine Bonnette, to use screeen access software to take the District of Columbia Bar Exam.  The opinion is attached in an accessible pdf.  
Regards,      
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
303 504-5979 (voice)
303 757-3640 (fax)
slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
www.labarrelaw.com (website)

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 14:41:33 2011
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:41:33 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Attending law school via distance learning
Message-ID: <943990413A5D4A29B82771689B15CBB7@hometwxakonvzn>

In your opinion, Should  people be permitted to attend law school via distance learning? Attached is standard 3.6, which deals with distance learning. California is the only state which allows students who attend law school via distance learning to sit for their bar. Please read the standard carefully, before commenting. What would be the pros and cons concerning this method? Sincerely, RJ
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From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 14 16:02:29 2011
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:02:29 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] job losses in legal services industry
Message-ID: <140AA920C77F4FB28AAC96DC97DC2C20@DANELLIEVANDAWN>

Legal Industry Shrinking: US Lost 2,600 More Legal Jobs in June
By Stephanie Rabiner on July 13, 2011 5:43 AM |
No TrackBacks

Though there have been reports that some firms have hired their entire 2010 summer associate classes, the Bureau of Labor Statistics'
June employment report
tells a tale of legal jobs that continue to disappear.

The month of June saw the legal services industry's biggest loss this year, shedding another 2,600 jobs according to the report.

And though there was some glimmer of hope in May, even those semi-positive numbers have been revised to subtract another 500 jobs from the profession.

To be fair, the Bureau of Labor Statistics categorizes lawyers, paralegals, notaries, as well as law firm and
support staff, as "legal services,"
so it's difficult to tell where the actual job losses have occurred.

However, there's still a need to be concerned.

On the heels of that wonderful study detailing the number of
excess lawyers
in each state, the American Bar Association has released its 2011 National Lawyer Population Survey, which counts the number of "resident and active" attorneys
in each state.

Though a few states reported a drop in the number of attorneys, the overall total
increased by about 2% during 2010,
sorely outpacing the availability of legal jobs.

This will likely get worse, as the ABA Journal also reports that law student enrollment is up despite adequate warnings by the classes of 2008 and 2009,
and of course, The New York Times.

If you're saddened by this news, buck up. It's time to do everything you can to hold onto your job. And if you don't have one, find one quick--there may
be even fewer legal jobs once the class of 2011 starts looking again.

Related Resources:
Legal Industry Sees Loss of 2,600 Jobs in June
(ABA Journal)
Which States Have the Largest Glut of Lawyers?
(FindLaw's Greedy Associates)
'Is Law School a Losing Game?' New York Times Asks
(FindLaw's Greedy Associates)
 

From pamwalters54 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 18:31:05 2011
From: pamwalters54 at gmail.com (Pam Walters)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:31:05 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Are there any websites you can go to where the laws are
	explained inn everyday terms?
Message-ID: <721790CB5E344F8AADE6F6B6B28E3BDD@pam29bcec78d08>

Just curious!  I am talking about a person legal right as far as veteran 
affairs and post office information.  Pam
God is good all of the time All things work together for good to them that 
love God and the called according to His purpose Romans 8:28.
This email is checked by Avast Internet Security.  Wa4SMB 



From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 14 23:03:54 2011
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:03:54 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] attention criminal lawyers who work in courts
In-Reply-To: <3453D98D256247DFA560156E796BCA88@HPLaptop>
References: <BANLkTik4V1HXw9BxCLh-rrPj9iPnB4Swow@mail.gmail.com><E40BBBB9DAF949DB982A534E416BC6AA@HPLaptop><8D3A38838E2F4FD79620FF01E8C07210@hometwxakonvzn>
	<3453D98D256247DFA560156E796BCA88@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <A00955EF193242B9B97165E54B46B8C9@spike>

I have to agree about JAWS not working well with WordPerfect which is a 
shame as it worked very well in earlier versions and there is still many 
things that WP does that is superior to Word.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] attention criminal lawyers who work in courts


>i did not lose my viasion until 4 years after law school so I can't speak 
>to
> the challenges in law school for a blind person.  I have appeared in front
> of the 5th circuit twice, the court of appeals in Amarillo.  I have not
> appeared before the Texas supreme court, but the highest court of criminal
> appeals in Texas is the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals not the Texas
> Supreme Court.  I have not appeared in front of the TCCA either.  I do 
> trial
> work for misdemeanors and felonies.  I went to Duke School of Law in 
> Durham
> North Carolina and now practice in my home city of Lubbock, Texas.  Jaws 
> and
> Word are easy to use.  As far as brief writing I do not like Word as much 
> as
> I liked Wordperfect, but Jaws and wordperfect do not work well together.
> Wordperfect is much better for doing tables of contents and tables of
> authorities.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Shannon
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
>
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of RJ Sandefur
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:27 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] attention criminal lawyers who work in courts
>
> I'd be interested how you prepare briefs in word using Jaws Have you 
> argued
> before the Supreme court of Texas? And What law school did you attend? I'm
> thinking about going in to law. I'm 32 years old. RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] attention criminal lawyers who work in courts
>
>
>>I do criminal defense work in the courtroom and I use a laptop with jaws
>>and
>> a Nokia smart phone with talks.
>>
>> I would be interested in knowing if there is other technology out there
>> that
>> might be helpful.
>>
>> I also have the KNFB reader, but I am not happy with it'.
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Shannon Geihsler
>>
>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
>> Lubbock, TX 79401
>> Phone: 763-3999
>> Fax: 749-3752
>>
>> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
>> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
>> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
>> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
>> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Vaughan Roles
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:40 AM
>> To: blindlaw
>> Subject: [blindlaw] attention criminal lawyers who work in courts
>>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> Is there any totally blind criminal lawyers on list who regularly
>> appear in high volume court lists? If so, could you drop me an email
>> letting me know what technology you use.
>>
>> -- 
>> Vaughan Roles
>> Ph: 0425211038
>>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 15 02:43:57 2011
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:43:57 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Federal law Question
In-Reply-To: <2E70BCFA-3CE8-427B-913D-E8BA99A5028F@gmail.com>
References: <00BB8482756E48D69331CE86B56A5CAD@hometwxakonvzn>
	<2E70BCFA-3CE8-427B-913D-E8BA99A5028F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCCDF0F4E0494BA5A1CC9FDBE79F4B06@spike>

an attorney that intends to practice before a Federal court must submit an 
application to practice in that district before they can appear in that 
court. They also must pay a fee. A while back one of the attorneys that I 
worked for had to do this when he represented a client in a criminal matter 
in the U.S. District Court of Arizona. I think there are similar procedures 
for the U.S. Supreme Court.
Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
1237 P Street
Fresno ca 93721
559-266-9237
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aser Tolentino" <agtolentino at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Federal law Question


> I'm pretty sure you must be admitted to a state bar, the DC bar or a bar 
> of one of the territories. Once this is done you fill out an application 
> (pay a fee) to practice before any given district. Membership in the 
> SCOTUS bar is largely honorary I believe.
>
> Respectfully,
> Aser Tolentino, Esq.
> (916) 572-2737
> agtolentino at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 7:10, "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> How would I go about becoming a federal Lawyer? Is their a federal bar? 
>> Or do you joine the bar of the United States supreme court? In other 
>> words, what are the qualifications needed to practice federal law? RJ
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 15 22:44:29 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:44:29 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney Posting: Bur. of Prisons - Texas
Message-ID: <1C11F89C31294912872BF1CBD0637539@none8a46117901>

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS CONSOLIDATED LEGAL CENTER FEDERAL DETENTION CENTER HOUSTON, TEXAS ATTORNEY ADVISOR GS-905-12/13 This position is open until filled, but no later than July 28, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/houstonclcattymem.htm 


Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From joshcrunkleton at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 23:42:39 2011
From: joshcrunkleton at gmail.com (Josh Crunkleton)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 18:42:39 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Voc. Rehab
Message-ID: <6C49E49C-5A54-4406-8735-01D6490E452E@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I have a question about Voc. Rehab.

My name is Josh. I am an Arkansas resident and recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the Blind.I have decided I would like to get my master's degree in O/M at Louisiana Tech (to obtain my NOMC). There is a master's program O/M in Arkansas, but it is an AER program and it is a completely different master's degree. 

Needless to say, my agency is refusing to cover any out of state expenses for me to attend Louisiana because, they say, my decision is merely a matter of preference.  They cite their in-state preference policy as the basis for their decision. 

They have been very uncooperative with me as I have sought to further understand this policy. I have tried to explain that the two O/M programs are not at all comparable and that if I could obtain my NOMC in Arkansas I certainly would. I have also pointed out that not one blind person has successfully completed the program in Arkansas because it is not geared toward blind individuals. I have tried to explain that the program in Louisiana is designed to teach the non-visual techniques of cane instruction. 

I have read through the RSA and it appears to me that their refusal to fund me fully for Louisiana is not in concert with the tone and language of the RSA regulations. I have been told that I am ungrateful and I have been told that I am causing tension. Further, I am being told that I cannot specify certifications (NOMC) in my IPE. All and all, the agency has been very obtuse with regard to this issue and have refused to listen to me.  

Any advice? At this point, I am so indignant that I want to dig my feet in until it changes. There are lots of people who are learning about Louisiana Tech and who are interested in becoming cane travel instructors. Many of them would be discouraged by the agency refusing to pay out of state costs.  I would like to see this change, not only for me, but for anyone else who follows in years to come. 




From jimi-law at dc.rr.com  Sun Jul 17 00:06:01 2011
From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 17:06:01 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Voc. Rehab
In-Reply-To: <6C49E49C-5A54-4406-8735-01D6490E452E@gmail.com>
References: <6C49E49C-5A54-4406-8735-01D6490E452E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0C8CC4EDF754C1892CE8AEA8E9C59E9@Blind>

Josh:

Have you checked with Louisiana's Dept of Rehab to inquire about their
services?  That's how I did law school.  Moved six months early to establish
residency and got fully funded by my new state and this included my first
year's tuition which was by necessity the out of state rate; i.e., big
bucks.  

Good Luck

James

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Crunkleton
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 4:43 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Voc. Rehab

Hello all,

I have a question about Voc. Rehab.

My name is Josh. I am an Arkansas resident and recently graduated from the
Louisiana Center for the Blind.I have decided I would like to get my
master's degree in O/M at Louisiana Tech (to obtain my NOMC). There is a
master's program O/M in Arkansas, but it is an AER program and it is a
completely different master's degree. 

Needless to say, my agency is refusing to cover any out of state expenses
for me to attend Louisiana because, they say, my decision is merely a matter
of preference.  They cite their in-state preference policy as the basis for
their decision. 

They have been very uncooperative with me as I have sought to further
understand this policy. I have tried to explain that the two O/M programs
are not at all comparable and that if I could obtain my NOMC in Arkansas I
certainly would. I have also pointed out that not one blind person has
successfully completed the program in Arkansas because it is not geared
toward blind individuals. I have tried to explain that the program in
Louisiana is designed to teach the non-visual techniques of cane
instruction. 

I have read through the RSA and it appears to me that their refusal to fund
me fully for Louisiana is not in concert with the tone and language of the
RSA regulations. I have been told that I am ungrateful and I have been told
that I am causing tension. Further, I am being told that I cannot specify
certifications (NOMC) in my IPE. All and all, the agency has been very
obtuse with regard to this issue and have refused to listen to me.  

Any advice? At this point, I am so indignant that I want to dig my feet in
until it changes. There are lots of people who are learning about Louisiana
Tech and who are interested in becoming cane travel instructors. Many of
them would be discouraged by the agency refusing to pay out of state costs.
I would like to see this change, not only for me, but for anyone else who
follows in years to come. 



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om



From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Jul 18 18:28:16 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:28:16 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Sen. Grassley Questions ABA's Law School Accreditation
 Process, ABA Journal, July 13 2011
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D84768A@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

Blindlaw listers:

I thought this article might be of interest to some on this list as it is tangentially related to some o the discussions about the LSAT that we have had.


Noel

Link:
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/grassley_seeks_answers_on_abas_law_school_accreditation_process/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email

Text:
Sen. Grassley Questions ABA's Law School Accreditation Process
Posted July 13, 2011
By Mark Hansen

A second U.S. senator is raising questions about the quality of the ABA's law school accreditation process.

U.S. Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), in a letter (PDF) Monday to ABA President Stephen N. Zack, is seeking a written response to a detailed list of 31 questions about the ways in which the association's accrediting arm assesses a law school's eligibility for accreditation, including whether it keeps any data on the number and value of merit-based scholarships schools offer, whether it sponsors any educational programs to help students assess how much student debt they can afford to take on and how many schools it has accredited in the last 20 years.

In the letter, Grassley cited a report last month in the Chronicle of Higher Education saying the ABA's Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar, the U.S. Department of Education's recognized accreditor of law schools, had been found noncompliant with 17 department regulations by a federal panel that reviews accrediting agencies, including failing to consider student-loan default rates in assessing programs; having no set policy for handling student complaints; and not having a standard for job placement by its member institutions.

"My concern is that the ABA, which has the power to accredit law schools, was barely granted renewed recognition by the U.S. Department of Education's accreditation experts," Grassley wrote. "Moreover, in the eyes of the National Advisory Committee on Institutional Quality and Integrity, the ABA appears to be doing little to assess student-loan default rates in its law school accreditation process."

Grassley also cited two recent articles in the New York Times, including one about first-year law students losing their merit-based scholarships after the first year for failing to maintain a certain grade point average and one about the plight of recent law school grads saddled with debt who can't find jobs to pay off their student loans.

As the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Grassley said he has an interest in the health of the legal profession. And, to the extent that taxpayer dollars are used to fund student loans, he said he has an interest in ensuring that students who take out those loans are in a position to pay them back.

A spokeswoman for Grassley declined to elaborate on the senator's motives. "I think the letter speaks for itself," she said.

Zack issued a statement saying the ABA is in the process of responding to Grassley's request and appreciates his interest in the matter. "We all share the same goal: that the American people have access to justice through representation by good lawyers who have had all the information they need to carefully plan and pursue their legal careers," he said.

Hulett "Bucky" Askew, the ABA Consultant on Legal Education, said that nine of the 17 violations cited by the staff of the DOE were the result of new department regulations and that most of them are now in the process of being corrected. The others will require more work, he said, but should be corrected well within the one-year deadline set by the DOE.

"We don't view this as a huge hurdle we have to clear," he said.

Grassley is now the second member of the U.S. senate to publicly voice concerns over the ABA's accrediting function. For months, U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) has been pressing the ABA to improve the accuracy and transparency of the job placement information law schools must provide to prospective students.


From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 18 20:23:38 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:23:38 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Trustees office - California - opening
Message-ID: <BAD2AA95C49548A9B8B1B322B1263FB2@none8a46117901>

  * U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE U.S. TRUSTEE PROGRAM REGION 16/RIVERSIDE, CALIFORNIA (1) TRIAL ATTORNEY GS-905-12/13/14/15 ANNOUNCEMENT NO. FY11-01 OPEN: July 18, 2011 CLOSE: August 01, 2011 http://www.justice.gov/oarm/jobs/triattyvacriverside.htm



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Mon Jul 18 21:31:41 2011
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:31:41 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Audio of Past Law Symposia not Working
Message-ID: <000f01cc4592$15b6e030$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good afternoon everyone,

Here's hoping Lou Ann can look in to this so this problem can be fixed. This 
morning I downloaded the recordings of the 2011 Jacobus TenBroek Disability 
Law Symposium without any problems. In doing so I stumbled on the audio 
links for the previous law symposiums and got a 404 error when attempting to 
access the MP3 files for the 2010 Law Symposium. Here's hoping this can be 
investigated and all law symposium recordings put back in to working 
operation. Thank you.

Peter Donahue


"Will you come and awake our lost land from its slumber
      And her fetters we'll break, links that long are encumbered.
      And the air will resound with hosannas to greet you
      On the shore will be found gallant Irishmen to greet you."
Will You Come to the Bower
Traditional Irish Folk Song



From j_gardner09 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 18 23:49:42 2011
From: j_gardner09 at yahoo.com (John Gardner)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:49:42 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
Message-ID: <7098C228-91C8-4F89-9C61-2C5A1E203E3F@yahoo.com>

I am a criminal justice student planning on going into law. I was wondering what type of notetakers do you guys use for law school and work? What type did you guys use in law school? Is it better to have a notetaker like the apex or is it better to have like an iPhone or iPad with a Braille display via Bluetooth? Thanks for reading this. I hope to get many good ideas. Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from many of you.

From dravant at ameritech.net  Tue Jul 19 01:24:48 2011
From: dravant at ameritech.net (Denise Avant)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:24:48 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <7098C228-91C8-4F89-9C61-2C5A1E203E3F@yahoo.com>
References: <7098C228-91C8-4F89-9C61-2C5A1E203E3F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B55F2030-1CD6-4B81-9FD5-1B5ABEB920B2@ameritech.net>

hi,
it will of course depend on your budget or if your state agency will pay the cost of a notetaker 
the i-devices are relatively new and i have heard of students using the ipad as a notetaker device with or without Braille.
as for the notetakers, you have the pacmate, braillenote apex and braillesense in either 18 or 32 cells. now there is even a smaller notetaker called the Braillesense onhand, which is very small and has 18 cells.
before getting one of these, i would urge you to look at them yourself and decide what you like.
if your state is paying for it, try if you can to not let them make your decision.
you have started well by asking others what they use.
i am a long way from being a law student, but use the Braillenote apex in my job. 
it does not read adobe files, but the pacmate and braillesense products do. a lot of legal material comes in adobe form. so that is a consideration for you.
if you are seriously thinking of the i-device as a notetaker, i would urge you to also join the viphone list or one of the other list, and you can get even more responses on the apple products as notetakers.



On Jul 18, 2011, at 6:49 PM, John Gardner wrote:

> I am a criminal justice student planning on going into law. I was wondering what type of notetakers do you guys use for law school and work? What type did you guys use in law school? Is it better to have a notetaker like the apex or is it better to have like an iPhone or iPad with a Braille display via Bluetooth? Thanks for reading this. I hope to get many good ideas. Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from many of you.
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From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 19 11:57:43 2011
From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 04:57:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <7098C228-91C8-4F89-9C61-2C5A1E203E3F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1311076663.65132.YahooMailClassic@web112410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I've used the Braillenote and Pac Mate. In law school, I used the Braillenote and continue to for my own personal use. I find it very easy to use and it gets the job done for taking notes. I've never surfed the net with it, however. It's easy to type on, too. (I use the version that is set up like a Perkins rather than a laptop style. I find I can type faster in braille taking notes and can do a lot of shorthand--especailly since we don't spell out words.)
Working for the Federal government, I use the Pac Mate. Again, I use the Perkins style rather than the laptop style. It's a little difficult to type on it because the keys are a little flatter than the BrailleNote and you can't type as fast on it. A lot of typos tend to be made. I would recommend the BrailleNote for personal use (home, school, etc.) As far as work, it depends on what your place of employment will purchase. Some places have a cap and won't buy the more expensive notetakers. That's why I have the Pac Mate at work. It was either that or the Braillesense (and I'm not a big fan of GW Micro. Used to be but switched to JAWS and became a Freedom Scientific guy as far as screen readers go. For notetakers and other stuff, I'm a Humanware guy.)

Hope this helps.

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
To: "blindlaw at nfbnet.org" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 7:49 PM

I am a criminal justice student planning on going into law. I was wondering what type of notetakers do you guys use for law school and work? What type did you guys use in law school? Is it better to have a notetaker like the apex or is it better to have like an iPhone or iPad with a Braille display via Bluetooth? Thanks for reading this. I hope to get many good ideas. Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from many of you.
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From rdittman at stmarytx.edu  Tue Jul 19 13:40:12 2011
From: rdittman at stmarytx.edu (Dittman, Robert)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:40:12 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
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Good morning,

I am a third year law student and a student attorney here in Texas.

I use the IPhone and the RefreshaBraille 18 18 cell Braille display as my "Note Taker".  The advantages include the following:

1. The IPhone is not a blindy product so you have some freedom and choice as to your software and there are loads of them.  Fast Case (a package to look up the law) free by the way, Pages a word processor application ($10.00), a color identifier, OCR, as well as Omoby which is a program that will identify cans of food and other products to you (free by the way) turns your IPhone into a product that will not only serve you in your professional life, but also in your personal independence as well.  Oh, go to www.applevis.com to find the loads of software you can use. You name it, chances are the IPhone can help you with it.

2. The IPhone with the RefreshaBraille 18 is a small package.  For me, having everything in a small package so that there is little to take into class, client meetings, or court is a must.  I can take notes, take phone calls, and research on Westlaw's mobile site using the same bit of equipment.

3. The IPhone upgrades when you do and the cost is much less.  My Pac Mate was about 6,500 with the 40 cell Braille display, and I've heard other Note Takers are about the same.  The IPhone was $299.00 with two year agreement, and $1,700 for the Refreshabraille 18 and when I get a newer model of IPhone my Braille display goes with me.

Hope this information helps.

Good luck, times they are a changen.

Robert


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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gilmore
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:58 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

I've used the Braillenote and Pac Mate. In law school, I used the Braillenote and continue to for my own personal use. I find it very easy to use and it gets the job done for taking notes. I've never surfed the net with it, however. It's easy to type on, too. (I use the version that is set up like a Perkins rather than a laptop style. I find I can type faster in braille taking notes and can do a lot of shorthand--especailly since we don't spell out words.) Working for the Federal government, I use the Pac Mate. Again, I use the Perkins style rather than the laptop style. It's a little difficult to type on it because the keys are a little flatter than the BrailleNote and you can't type as fast on it. A lot of typos tend to be made. I would recommend the BrailleNote for personal use (home, school, etc.) As far as work, it depends on what your place of employment will purchase. Some places have a cap and won't buy the more expensive notetakers. That's why I have the Pac Mate at work. It was either that or the Braillesense (and I'm not a big fan of GW Micro. Used to be but switched to JAWS and became a Freedom Scientific guy as far as screen readers go. For notetakers and other stuff, I'm a Humanware guy.)

Hope this helps.

--- On Mon, 7/18/11, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
To: "blindlaw at nfbnet.org" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 7:49 PM

I am a criminal justice student planning on going into law. I was wondering what type of notetakers do you guys use for law school and work? What type did you guys use in law school? Is it better to have a notetaker like the apex or is it better to have like an iPhone or iPad with a Braille display via Bluetooth? Thanks for reading this. I hope to get many good ideas. Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from many of you.
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 19 16:38:07 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 12:38:07 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty posting Georgia uncompensated - posted today
Message-ID: <83E582E0CC014424AA679BAF37A7A891@none8a46117901>

SPECIAL ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY (SAUSA) (SERVE WITHOUT COMPENSATION) UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF GEORGIA VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER: 11-SAUSAMDGA-01 All required documents must be received by Friday, August 19, 2011, although applications may be considered after that date. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-sausamdga-01uncomp.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com  Wed Jul 20 01:32:46 2011
From: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com (ray wayne)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:32:46 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
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FYI: GW Micro no longer services the Braille Sense. HIMS has an office in Austin, Texas. I don't yet know whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. 
Ray Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Gilmore <m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com>
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, Jul 19, 2011 7:59:30
Subject: Re: [bllaw] Notetakers

>
>
> I've used the Braillenote and Pac Mate. In law school, I used the Braillenote and continue to for my own personal use. I find it very easy to use and it gets the job done for taking notes. I've never surfed the net with it, however. It's easy to type on, too. (I use the version that is set up like a Perkins rather than a laptop style. I find I can type faster in braille taking notes and can do a lot of shorthand-comespecailly since we don't spell out words.)
> Working for the Federal government, I use the Pac Mate. Again, I use the Perkins style rather than the laptop style. It's a little difficult to type on it because the keys are a little flatter than the BrailleNote and you can't type as fast on it. A lot of typos tend to be made. I would recommend the BrailleNote for personal use (home, school, etc.) As far as work, it depends on what your place of employment will purchase. Some places have a cap and won't buy the more expensive notetakers. That's why I have the Pac Mate at work. It was either that or the Braillesense (and I'm not a big fan of GW Micro. Used to be but switched to JAWS and became a Freedom Scientific guy as far as screen readers go. For notetakers and other stuff, I'm a Humanware guy.)
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> --- On Mon, 7/18/11, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [bllaw] Notetakers
> To: "blindlaw at nfbnet.org" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, July 18, 2011, 7:49 PM
> 
> I am a criminal justice student planning on going into law. I was wondering what type of notetakers do you guys use for law school and work? What type did you guys use in law school? Is it better to have a notetaker like the apex or is it better to have like an iPhone or iPad with a Braille display via Bluetooth? Thanks for reading this. I hope to get many good ideas. Thanks for your time. I look forward to hearing from many of you.
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed Jul 20 19:39:56 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:39:56 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Atty openings - Guam and Saipan
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Assistant United States Attorney's Office Districts of Guam & the Northern Mariana IslandsVacancy Locations: Guam & Saipan Position: Temporary NTE 1 Year, Subject to Availability of Funds 11-MP-AUSA-01 The announcement is open until the positions are filled. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-mp-ausa-01.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 17:22:04 2011
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:22:04 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 86, Issue 15
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Jul 21 19:14:08 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:14:08 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: job opening - King County Superior Court -
 Dependency CASA Program Manager
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D847ED4@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: Hullett, Judith [mailto:Judith.Hullett at kingcounty.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:59 PM
To: Hullett, Judith
Cc: Hullett, Judith
Subject: FW: job opening - King County Superior Court - Dependency CASA Program Manager

The application deadline for this positions has been extended to 7/29/11.  If you could notify your members of this, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!


From: Hullett, Judith
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:27 PM
To: Hullett, Judith
Subject: job opening - King County Superior Court - Dependency CASA Program Manager

Good afternoon,

You are receiving this email as an officer of a specialty bar association.  The attached job announcement is for King County Superior Court's Dependency CASA Program Manager position.  We are seeking qualified applicants for the attached job and are asking that you please distribute this to your organization's members.

Please be advised that the position is posted on and applications are processed through www.governmentjobs.com<http://www.governmentjobs.com>

Thank you.

Judy Hullett, MPA, PHR
King County Superior Court
Sr. Human Resources Analyst
*206-296-9298
6206-205-8271
judith.hullett at kingcounty.gov<mailto:judith.hullett at kingcounty.gov>

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Jul 21 23:31:43 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:31:43 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Employment Opportunity: Legal Appeals Manager at WA
 State Employment Security Department
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D847FA7@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

the attached job announcement appears to require a J.D. though perhaps not bar membership.  I believe the announcement said it closes august 3.



From: Jennifer Carter [mailto:jenniferc at wsba.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:19 PM
To: leeperthuynguyen at yahoo.com; asb at bmatlaw.com; edelossantos at trueblueinc.com; asachs at wrenngroup.com; boksulee at yahoo.com; lopezf at seattleu.edu; nicole at gaineslawoffice.com; Sahar at melegal.org; rblack at susmangodfrey.com; bree.ramirez at bullivant.com; dclarks at co.pierce.wa.us; Aravind.swaminathan at usdoj.gov; ty.ho at hoassociates.com; stuarpix at microsoft.com; khkato at comcast.net; aaron at glblaw.com; castillo.mimi at ymail.com; csanders at gth-law.com; dko at kellerrohrback.com; DavisJK at LanePowell.com; shaakirrah.sanders at gmail.com; efry at sisna.com; MLe at perkinscoie.com; Nightingale, Noel; alison.bettles at nordstrom.com; Jessica.skelton at pacificalawgroup.com; DINHS at FOSTER.COM
Subject: Employment Opportunity: Legal Appeals Manager at WA State Employment Security Department

FYI!

Jennifer Carter| Diversity Program Coordinator
Washington State Bar Association |* 206.239.2116 | F 206.727.8319 | * jenniferc at wsba.org<mailto:jenniferd at wsba.org>
1325 Fourth Avenue, Suite 600 | Seattle, WA 98101 | www.wsba.org<http://www.wsba.org/>



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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 22 20:35:02 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:35:02 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] @ attorney openings - U.S. Atty
Message-ID: <C8F98D4B87994DB087A70677E48BAD9E@none8a46117901>



  * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Middle District of North Carolina Vacancy Announcement Number 11-MDNC-02 Applications must be received by July 26, 2011. http://publicstaging.doj.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-mdnc-02.htm 
Date posted: 07-22-2011

*Trial Attorney GS-0905-13/14/15 U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division Asset Forfeiture and Money Laundering Section Washington, DC 11-CRM-AFMLS-034 All applications must be received by August 11, 2011. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-crm-afmls-034.htm 





Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 22 20:36:08 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:36:08 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. atty opening- Maryland
Message-ID: <6CAF22FBBF8443D9BAD3A35138C02550@none8a46117901>

Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office District of Maryland Northern (Baltimore) and Southern (Greenbelt) Divisions Announcement Number: 11-MD-06 This announcement will close on August 20, 2011.. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/11-md-06.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Jul 22 23:21:47 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:21:47 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Article: Justice Department weighs in on Vt disability
	case
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D8481DB@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

From: DBTAC - Great Lakes ADA Information [mailto:GREATLAKES at LISTSERV.UIC.EDU] On Behalf Of Robin Jones
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 2:32 PM
To: GREATLAKES at LISTSERV.UIC.EDU
Subject: Article: Justice Department weighs in on Vt disability case

The following article is forwarded to you by the DBTAC-Great Lakes ADA Center (www.adagreatlakes.org<http://www.adagreatlakes.org>) for your information:

Associated Press
July 22, 2011


Justice Department weighs in on Vermont disability case


BURLINGTON, Vt. (AP) - The U.S. Justice Department has filed a brief in support of a blind Vermont Law School student suing for special accommodations that would allow her to take a legal ethics exam.



Deanna Jones, 44, of Middlesex, is suing the National Conference of Bar Examiners, saying it isn't providing the accommodations she needs to take the Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination which all lawyers must take before they practice in Vermont and most other states.



The testing group has proposed having someone read the questions to her and some other accommodations but Jones wants permission to use special computer software she has used to help her read in law school.

In a brief filed Thursday, the Justice Department said the Americans with Disabilities Act requires not just reasonable accommodations to Jones but appropriate modifications or auxiliary aids so that the test can measure her aptitude and achievement.



"The clear weight of authority and the correct interpretation of the statutory and regulatory framework governing entities offering licensing examinations requires NCBE to offer Deanna Jones testing accommodations that "best ensure" that the MPRE reflects her abilities and not her impairment," the brief said.



"The Court should reject arguments to the contrary," it said.



The Justice Department filed the brief because it "views this as an important issue before the court and wanted to weigh in on it," said U.S. Attorney Tristram Coffin.



On Friday, a U.S. District Court judge heard arguments in Jones' bid for a preliminary injunction to allow her to use the software.




From j_gardner09 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 24 17:45:20 2011
From: j_gardner09 at yahoo.com (John Gardner)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 12:45:20 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
Message-ID: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>

So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons. The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you guys think?

Thanks

From agtolentino at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 03:16:54 2011
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:16:54 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>

Hello John,
Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad, Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual equivalent.
That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow, but that's how i see it for now.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons. The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you guys think?
> 
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From dravant at ameritech.net  Mon Jul 25 10:38:50 2011
From: dravant at ameritech.net (Denise Avant)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 05:38:50 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
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hi john,
these all look like sound reasons. I think the i-devices as notetakers are not quite there yet as far as being most reliable, and therefore most productive. perhaps they will be soon. the apex is a good unit, and i think you will like it. now you just have to decide whether you want an 18 or 32 cell Braille display if you have not already.

On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:45 PM, John Gardner wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons. The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you guys think?
> 
> Thanks
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Mon Jul 25 18:55:50 2011
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:55:50 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>
	<AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>

I have a really difficult time typing 
On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions
Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Aser Tolentino
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

Hello John,
Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you
seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me
from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I
really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the
Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant
solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it
really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it
just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad,
Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require
independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while
far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual
equivalent.
That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow,
but that's how i see it for now.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you
guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I
need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like
that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a
notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy
as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you
guys think?
> 
> Thanks
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From david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us  Mon Jul 25 19:04:50 2011
From: david.hyde at wcbvi.k12.wi.us (Hyde, David W. (ESC))
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:04:50 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>
	<AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
	<E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06B1F@tiger>

You can use a refreshible braille display. Bluetooth the display to the I device. It takes some practice, but it is cheaper than a notetaker.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:56 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

I have a really difficult time typing
On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

Hello John,
Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad, Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual equivalent.
That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow, but that's how i see it for now.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers 
> you
guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you guys think?
> 
> Thanks
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Mon Jul 25 19:07:56 2011
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:07:56 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06B1F@tiger>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com><AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com><E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
	<8FE3DA4A52652B4D8EC80883B3DC1233864EB06B1F@tiger>
Message-ID: <BCFFCF8EAD9145749C068DC3C707E678@HPLaptop>

Nt very fast at Braille.  Do they have a querdy blue tooth?

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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Hyde, David W. (ESC)
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:05 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

You can use a refreshible braille display. Bluetooth the display to the I
device. It takes some practice, but it is cheaper than a notetaker.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 1:56 PM
To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

I have a really difficult time typing
On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions Law Office of Shannon
Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main St., Suite 803
Lubbock, TX 79401
Phone: 763-3999
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From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Aser Tolentino
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

Hello John,
Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you
seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me
from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I
really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the
Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant
solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it
really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it
just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad,
Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require
independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while
far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual
equivalent.
That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow,
but that's how i see it for now.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers 
> you
guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I
need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like
that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a
notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy
as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you
guys think?
> 
> Thanks
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 19:08:56 2011
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:08:56 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>
	<AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
	<E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <D9CC561B-133C-4F9B-95C7-BA2F96AD2D29@gmail.com>

Apple made a keyboard dock for the iPad which will accept an iPad 2. There also many bluetooth keyboards in different shapes and sizes including cases for particular devices. You can also get tactile overlays for the screen.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:55, "Shannon Geihsler" <sbg at sbgaal.com> wrote:

> I have a really difficult time typing 
> On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
> 
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Aser Tolentino
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers
> 
> Hello John,
> Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you
> seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me
> from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I
> really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the
> Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant
> solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it
> really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it
> just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad,
> Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require
> independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while
> far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual
> equivalent.
> That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow,
> but that's how i see it for now.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Aser Tolentino, Esq.
> (916) 572-2737
> agtolentino at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you
> guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
> The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I
> need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like
> that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a
> notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy
> as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you
> guys think?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Mon Jul 25 19:11:00 2011
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:11:00 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com><AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
	<E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
Message-ID: <CAE118EE8B8A480BB0CAB949101E76AD@DHRL6TC1>

This may sound crass, but you may want to keep practicing, because
eventually you get better.  Try using two fingers to do it, one to highlight
the number or letter, and the other to tap the keyboard.  Make sure settings
aren't set so that the minute you lift up your finger the key is entered.
That makes it hard.  Also, apple sells a Bluetooth keyboard that works
pretty good with the IPhone.  I only type text messages, not emails.  I
would use the blue tooth keyboard if I were using it for email.

-------------------------------------------
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Wienner & Gould, P.C.
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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

I have a really difficult time typing 
On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions
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Behalf Of Aser Tolentino
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers

Hello John,
Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you
seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me
from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I
really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the
Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant
solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it
really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it
just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad,
Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require
independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while
far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual
equivalent.
That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow,
but that's how i see it for now.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you
guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I
need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like
that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a
notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy
as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you
guys think?
> 
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 19:20:14 2011
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:20:14 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Notetakers
In-Reply-To: <CAE118EE8B8A480BB0CAB949101E76AD@DHRL6TC1>
References: <A550D05C-3B1F-4CF8-8769-23014FFA3392@yahoo.com>
	<AB143B9E-67EA-41DC-90E6-7305414FD767@gmail.com>
	<E74CA57CD4C64081A58A0797F35D5EA5@HPLaptop>
	<CAE118EE8B8A480BB0CAB949101E76AD@DHRL6TC1>
Message-ID: <22BDD6DC-BE31-48AD-B069-3C8B19F61E16@gmail.com>

I've actually found it easier to touch type than use the older method referred to as standard, enough so that I write shorter emails on the iPhone.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.
(916) 572-2737
agtolentino at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:11, "Daniel K. Beitz" <dbeitz at wiennergould.com> wrote:

> This may sound crass, but you may want to keep practicing, because
> eventually you get better.  Try using two fingers to do it, one to highlight
> the number or letter, and the other to tap the keyboard.  Make sure settings
> aren't set so that the minute you lift up your finger the key is entered.
> That makes it hard.  Also, apple sells a Bluetooth keyboard that works
> pretty good with the IPhone.  I only type text messages, not emails.  I
> would use the blue tooth keyboard if I were using it for email.
> 
> -------------------------------------------
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
> Fax:  (248) 652-2729
> dbeitz at wiennergould.com
> 
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> Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:56 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers
> 
> I have a really difficult time typing 
> On the I devices.  Does anyone have any suggestions
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main St., Suite 803
> Lubbock, TX 79401
> Phone: 763-3999
> Fax: 749-3752
> 
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> 
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> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Aser Tolentino
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:17 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Notetakers
> 
> Hello John,
> Though there's always a fair bit of subjectivity to such an evaluation, you
> seem to have struck upon some of the same points that have restrained me
> from making the leap to using an iPhone or iPad in court situations. I
> really like the accessibility features of IS devices, but I still find the
> Apex's combination of Braille and a hardware keyboard to be the most elegant
> solution at present. Apex support of USB drives and SDHC cards also make it
> really simple to transfer documents from remote storage, so you can treat it
> just like any other computer. They may not weigh much alone, but an iPad,
> Braille display and keyboard add up to far more than the Apex, require
> independent charging and are dependent on all components to work. And while
> far from perfect, the Apex keyboard feels luxurious compared to a virtual
> equivalent.
> That's just my opinion and there's nothing to say it won't change tomorrow,
> but that's how i see it for now.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Aser Tolentino, Esq.
> (916) 572-2737
> agtolentino at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:45, John Gardner <j_gardner09 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> So guys I think I have gotten enough information on what notetakers you
> guys use. I think I will go with the Braillenote apex. Here are my reasons.
> The I devices are in too parts. It's the device and the Braille display. I
> need something that is one unit. Also the apex turns on faster and I like
> that. The idevices are not as efficient either and I can't have that. Also a
> notetaker would be less to carry and keep track of. It's also not very heavy
> as a iPad and Braille display would be. Are these bad reasons? What do you
> guys think?
>> 
>> Thanks
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 25 22:05:14 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:05:14 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Trustee office opening - San Diego CA.
Message-ID: <5B49D9304C62443FB8C16F81C9DB19CC@none8a46117901>

U.S. Department of Justice U.S. Trustee Program Region 15/San Diego, California (1) Trial Attorney GS-905-12/13/14/15 Announcement No. 1598-UT-11-379 Open 07/25/11 Close: 08/15/11. http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/trialattvacsandiego.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 26 12:51:43 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:51:43 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] U.S. Attorney job
Message-ID: <EA7B546F879941F381A0545E64397C41@none8a46117901>

  * U.S. Department of Justice Office of Information Policy Experienced Attorney/GS-12 Announcement: OIP ATY 11-003 The position will be open until August 15, 2011 or until filled.  
http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/oip-aty-11-003.htm 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Tue Jul 26 19:40:52 2011
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:40:52 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] NOTETAKERS
References: <AD98406A851045EB9DCFE6C29B9D69E2@none8a46117901>
Message-ID: <155A07A47CBE434CA412734F70E9443F@victory2>

Hi John:

If being able to READ PDF formatted documents is important to you, I suggest 
you give the BrailleSensePlus from HIMS, Inc. a test drive.  It won't open 
and read SCANNED PDF documents without having performed some OCR on it; 
other than that, properly tagged PDF documents open and read just fine.

Another good point with this notetaker:  You can change your own batteries! 
The tech support is reasonably stellar compared to that of Humanware's.

Just my two cents.  And BTW, HIMS, Inc. now has a U.S.-based office in 
Austin, Texas; no need to SHIP EQUIPMENT to the ENDS OF THE EARTH for minor 
repairs or to have your batteries changed should either need arise.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Jul 27 15:23:47 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:23:47 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Two New Web Features for Law Students and
 Prospective Law Students
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D9A3581@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:16 PM
To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG
Subject: Two New Web Features for Law Students and Prospective Law Students

The Commission today released two web features to primarily help law students with disabilities and prospective law students with disabilities:


 1.  Requesting Accommodations for the LSAT<http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources/lsat_accom.html> has a concise listing of procedures, tips, and deadlines concerning requests for accommodations on the Law School Admission Test (LSAT). There are links to additional resources, and a case listing of lawsuits by individuals seeking accommodations for the LSAT will be forthcoming.
 2.  Law School Disability Programs Directory<http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources/law_school_programs.html>, while not entirely new, has received a fresh look and some updated information. This state-by-state directory lists all ABA-approved law schools and their submitted information concerning disability law courses, extra/co-curricular activities focusing on disability law or law students with disabilities, clinics that handle disability law, and other relevant information. The portion of the directory containing contact information on disability support contacts was recently updated to include nearly all of the schools' disability resource centers. This directory is a good place to start when selecting a law school or for employers who would like to know what law schools are accommodating to students with disabilities or students with an interest in disability law.

You can find out additional web features from the Commission on our resources page.<http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_services/mental_physical_disability/resources.html>

In the coming weeks, the Commission will be announcing additional web features, so please stay tuned.

Best,

William J. Phelan, IV, Esq.
Special Projects & Technology Coordinator
   Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law
American Bar Association
740 15th Street, NW, 9th Fl.
Washington, DC 20005-1022

T: 202-662-1576
F: 202-442-3439
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Jul 27 18:56:03 2011
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:56:03 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Job Posting for Co-Director of Litigation at
 Disability Rights Advocates
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D9A364E@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>



-----Original Message-----
From: CMPDL's Disability Discussion Docket (3D) [mailto:CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Phelan, William
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:36 AM
To: CMPDL-3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG
Subject: FW: Job Posting for Co-Director of Litigation at Disability Rights Advocates

Job position for those in CA. 

William J. Phelan, IV, Esq.
Special Projects & Technology Coordinator
   ABA Commission on Mental and Physical Disability Law
T: 202-662-1576
william.phelan at americanbar.org
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Subject: [DRBA] Job Posting for Co-Director of Litigation at Disability Rights Advocates

Dear Listmates,   we are opening a search for a new Co-Director of
Litigation at Disability Rights Advocates.  The job posting is attached.
Sid Wolinsky and I are not leaving, but we are looking to bring in the next generation of leadership for the organization.  Please share this job posting with other listservs and forward it to any people that you
think might be interested.   We are looking for an attorney with
significant class action experience who will commit to a leadership role
at our organization.   Thanks for any help you can provide in spreading
word of this opportunity.  Sincerely,  Larry Paradis


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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 29 19:30:56 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:30:56 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Multiple job postings
Message-ID: <DB0D95927CB042ABB813CF59528F717D@none8a46117901>

  * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office Southern District of Florida Announcement Number 11-SDFL-AUSA-05 Announcement is open until filled. 
  * United States Department of Justice Executive Office for Immigration Review Chairman (Extending Closing Date to August 12, 2011) Applications received after August 12, 2011 will not be considered.
  * United States Department of Justice Executive Office for Immigration Review Deputy Director (Extending Closing Date to August 12, 2011) Applications received after August 12, 2011 will not be considered.
  * Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office for the Criminal Division District of Puerto Rico 11-PRAUSA-02 Applications must be received by August 12, 2011. 



Ross A. Doerr Esquire
Admitted to Practice in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admission: ME. N.H.

From womankind at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 29 20:26:29 2011
From: womankind at earthlink.net (Stephanie Ortoleva)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:26:29 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] books on women and girls with disabilities
In-Reply-To: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D9A3581@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed .gov>
References: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7ED907D9A3581@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 13:07:23 2011
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:07:23 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Scanner
Message-ID: <CAGZitzLeeBDKM=8mvRncLfP7pUrC-MCUu2AE3DeCD=3816krLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am planning to buy a scanner in the next couple of weeks. I am
looking for something that would be able to cope with reasonably large
scale automatic document feeding but which would allow for flat bed
scanning too, if and when necessary.

Advice on this would be really welcome.

Ger


From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 13:12:44 2011
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:12:44 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Labelling Papers and Files
Message-ID: <CAGZitzK=vGgiHKYzHJnE-6gOVwLzc=Od+1qC_mqCHhNRX5g=4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Could people give me suggestions as to the best way of labelling legal
files and individual papers within the file accurately for a blind
person?

Thanks

Ger


From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 13:10:44 2011
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:10:44 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
Message-ID: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making
speaking notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or
do others have other suggestions?

I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.

Your help on this would be great.

Ger


From william.burley3 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 14:09:55 2011
From: william.burley3 at gmail.com (William Burley)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:09:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Scanner
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzLeeBDKM=8mvRncLfP7pUrC-MCUu2AE3DeCD=3816krLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitzLeeBDKM=8mvRncLfP7pUrC-MCUu2AE3DeCD=3816krLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4e3410b3.02aaec0a.4a27.1bec@mx.google.com>

I use a Canon D464-90 at my office.  It allows for document feeding and flat
bed scanning...as well as faxing, copying and printing.  I use Kurzwilde and
I just had to download the TWAIN driver for the Canon. 

Hope this helps.

William

William Burley
(713) 614-3322
William.burley3 at gmail.com 

www.facebook.com/wburley3 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:07 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Scanner

Hi all,

I am planning to buy a scanner in the next couple of weeks. I am
looking for something that would be able to cope with reasonably large
scale automatic document feeding but which would allow for flat bed
scanning too, if and when necessary.

Advice on this would be really welcome.

Ger

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From william.burley3 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 14:10:44 2011
From: william.burley3 at gmail.com (William Burley)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:10:44 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Labelling Papers and Files
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzK=vGgiHKYzHJnE-6gOVwLzc=Od+1qC_mqCHhNRX5g=4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitzK=vGgiHKYzHJnE-6gOVwLzc=Od+1qC_mqCHhNRX5g=4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4e3410e4.24aeec0a.1c7f.ffff81af@mx.google.com>

Do you mean Bates labeling or a brief title of the document?

William Burley
(713) 614-3322
William.burley3 at gmail.com 

www.facebook.com/wburley3 


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:13 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Labelling Papers and Files

Hi all,

Could people give me suggestions as to the best way of labelling legal
files and individual papers within the file accurately for a blind
person?

Thanks

Ger

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From rfarber at jw.com  Sat Jul 30 15:46:29 2011
From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:46:29 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>

I use braille on index cards.  I have also seen others use a small note taker, 18 braille cells.

Randy 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:11 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes

Hi all,

I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making speaking notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or do others have other suggestions?

I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.

Your help on this would be great.

Ger

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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 17:18:22 2011
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:18:22 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] scanner
Message-ID: <CAGZitzK-Z=CAB2t5Uq9NxAM5PH4NTnMjm87NsVH+3Mzuq-ngpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi William,

Thanks. How many pages could the feeder on your scanner process per hour say?

Regarding file labels, I guess I may need both dates and descriptions.

Thanks,
Ger


From william.burley3 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 18:32:53 2011
From: william.burley3 at gmail.com (William Burley)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:32:53 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] scanner
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzK-Z=CAB2t5Uq9NxAM5PH4NTnMjm87NsVH+3Mzuq-ngpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitzK-Z=CAB2t5Uq9NxAM5PH4NTnMjm87NsVH+3Mzuq-ngpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4e344e55.02aaec0a.49ff.2398@mx.google.com>

Ger,

I think the document feeder holds about 40 - 50 pages at one given time.
It's pretty fast, although I will have to look when I get back to the
office.  

I think there is an option within Word that allows for Bates labeling.  Let
me check on that, too.  I know WordPerfect has that option but not sure what
it's called in Word.

William Burley
(713) 614-3322
William.burley3 at gmail.com 

www.facebook.com/wburley3 


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:18 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] scanner

Hi William,

Thanks. How many pages could the feeder on your scanner process per hour
say?

Regarding file labels, I guess I may need both dates and descriptions.

Thanks,
Ger

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From paulharpur at gmail.com  Sat Jul 30 20:15:50 2011
From: paulharpur at gmail.com (Paul Harpur)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 06:15:50 +1000
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
In-Reply-To: <3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>

I lecture at university and I use a laptop with some notes on it and have a
headphone in.  
I know one prof who is blind uses braille notes.
Another at conferences has his wife read his speech onto tape and just
repeats it while listening.  I tried that a few time with speeches at home
but I found it was very hard to have emotions etc.  For conferences I just
memorize the speech.  it is harder but looks very impressive.
Oh, a lawyer I know uses braille for some court work but needs a laptop for
making notes for cross examination.  


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Farber, Randy
Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2011 1:46 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes

I use braille on index cards.  I have also seen others use a small note
taker, 18 braille cells.

Randy 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:11 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes

Hi all,

I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making speaking
notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or do others have
other suggestions?

I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.

Your help on this would be great.

Ger

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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Sat Jul 30 20:31:18 2011
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:31:18 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com><3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>
	<000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>
Message-ID: <5F1F23A2E12145FE914FD6CD61D4C4FC@none8a46117901>

When I am in court, at an administrative hearing or giving some sort of 
presentation, I tend to use my laptop in conjunction with a blue tooth 
earpiece.  Most laptops these days are compatible with a blue tooth earpiece 
of most manufacture, and I find it is easier to use that a wired earpiece. 
Those darn things keep getting my hand wrapped in them whenever I try to use 
them.
 I refer to my notes and can take notes that way.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Harpur" <paulharpur at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes


>I lecture at university and I use a laptop with some notes on it and have a
> headphone in.
> I know one prof who is blind uses braille notes.
> Another at conferences has his wife read his speech onto tape and just
> repeats it while listening.  I tried that a few time with speeches at home
> but I found it was very hard to have emotions etc.  For conferences I just
> memorize the speech.  it is harder but looks very impressive.
> Oh, a lawyer I know uses braille for some court work but needs a laptop 
> for
> making notes for cross examination.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Farber, Randy
> Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2011 1:46 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
>
> I use braille on index cards.  I have also seen others use a small note
> taker, 18 braille cells.
>
> Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:11 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making 
> speaking
> notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or do others 
> have
> other suggestions?
>
> I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.
>
> Your help on this would be great.
>
> Ger
>
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From dravant at ameritech.net  Sat Jul 30 20:43:20 2011
From: dravant at ameritech.net (Denise Avant)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 15:43:20 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
In-Reply-To: <000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>
	<000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>
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hello,
A lot will depend on how familiar and comfortable you are with Braille. If you have a good memory and do not want to use index cards, you can outline your presentation in Braille on regular size paper.

On Jul 30, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Paul Harpur wrote:

> I lecture at university and I use a laptop with some notes on it and have a
> headphone in.  
> I know one prof who is blind uses braille notes.
> Another at conferences has his wife read his speech onto tape and just
> repeats it while listening.  I tried that a few time with speeches at home
> but I found it was very hard to have emotions etc.  For conferences I just
> memorize the speech.  it is harder but looks very impressive.
> Oh, a lawyer I know uses braille for some court work but needs a laptop for
> making notes for cross examination.  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Farber, Randy
> Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2011 1:46 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
> 
> I use braille on index cards.  I have also seen others use a small note
> taker, 18 braille cells.
> 
> Randy 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:11 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making speaking
> notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or do others have
> other suggestions?
> 
> I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.
> 
> Your help on this would be great.
> 
> Ger
> 
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From jimi-law at dc.rr.com  Sat Jul 30 22:44:53 2011
From: jimi-law at dc.rr.com (James)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 15:44:53 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
In-Reply-To: <5F1F23A2E12145FE914FD6CD61D4C4FC@none8a46117901>
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com><3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com><000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>
	<5F1F23A2E12145FE914FD6CD61D4C4FC@none8a46117901>
Message-ID: <0E3D4765F7AC4A34BE5A4A5213CEBDEA@Blind>

What Bluetooth and screen reading software are you using?  I have tried that
with JAWS and cannot get it to work.  Called Freedom Scientific and they
said use "wireless."

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ross Doerr
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:31 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes

When I am in court, at an administrative hearing or giving some sort of 
presentation, I tend to use my laptop in conjunction with a blue tooth 
earpiece.  Most laptops these days are compatible with a blue tooth earpiece

of most manufacture, and I find it is easier to use that a wired earpiece. 
Those darn things keep getting my hand wrapped in them whenever I try to use

them.
 I refer to my notes and can take notes that way.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Harpur" <paulharpur at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes


>I lecture at university and I use a laptop with some notes on it and have a
> headphone in.
> I know one prof who is blind uses braille notes.
> Another at conferences has his wife read his speech onto tape and just
> repeats it while listening.  I tried that a few time with speeches at home
> but I found it was very hard to have emotions etc.  For conferences I just
> memorize the speech.  it is harder but looks very impressive.
> Oh, a lawyer I know uses braille for some court work but needs a laptop 
> for
> making notes for cross examination.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Farber, Randy
> Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2011 1:46 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
>
> I use braille on index cards.  I have also seen others use a small note
> taker, 18 braille cells.
>
> Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:11 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] re presentations - notes
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wondered if anyone here could suggest a helpful method of making 
> speaking
> notes, for use in presentations. Is braille the best way, or do others 
> have
> other suggestions?
>
> I do not think laptop notes would be suitable as queues.
>
> Your help on this would be great.
>
> Ger
>
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From roger at roger.ca  Sun Jul 31 02:03:07 2011
From: roger at roger.ca (roger at roger.ca)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:03:07 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT
In-Reply-To: <0E3D4765F7AC4A34BE5A4A5213CEBDEA@Blind>
References: <CAGZitz+RXTyjpvy9nMs=YJBULGXnD3WN_syKMfxWXFHbjQcHow@mail.gmail.com><3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A202814140F8@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com><000001cc4ef5$7dd31000$79793000$@com>
	<5F1F23A2E12145FE914FD6CD61D4C4FC@none8a46117901>
	<0E3D4765F7AC4A34BE5A4A5213CEBDEA@Blind>
Message-ID: <34e4dadb94cde451588faa3e26769337.squirrel@www.roger.ca>

Hello,

I'm new the this e-mail list.  I'm looking for websites or resources to
assist prospective blind students to prepare for the LSAT.  Most of the
preporatory information that I have found involves one drawing diagrams to
solve the logic questions on the LSAT.  I'm blind and I'd like to apply to
law school.

If you are a current law student, I'd also like to talk to you too.

Thanks in advance.
God bless,
Roger Khouri






From cdborne at gmail.com  Sun Jul 31 16:28:45 2011
From: cdborne at gmail.com (Craig Borne)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:28:45 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Dragon Naturally Speaking
Message-ID: <02a801cc4f9e$ec2226f0$c46674d0$@com>

Good afternoon, all.

Not exactly a legal profession-related question, but does have to do with
dictation of letters, etc.

Does anyone know of a way to access Dragon Naturally Speaking using
Microsoft Word without paying hundreds of extra dollars for the J Speak
software?

I'm bleeding money hear, and if the Dragon software is accessible some other
way, I would be very happy.

Thank you,

Craig