From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Jan 2 23:23:46 2013 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:23:46 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [Washington_MBAs] QLaw Foundation Program Job Description [1 Attachment] In-Reply-To: <96A72281B2529B4EB57B9CD458321E7F14AB1829@dwtexmb1-02.DWT.com> References: <96A72281B2529B4EB57B9CD458321E7F14AB1829@dwtexmb1-02.DWT.com> Message-ID: From: Washington_MBAs at yahoogroups.com [mailto:Washington_MBAs at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bugaighis, Zana Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:18 PM To: Washington_MBAs at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Washington_MBAs] QLaw Foundation Program Job Description [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Bugaighis, Zana included below] Just an FYI, the QLaw Foundation is looking for a Program Manager! Please forward to anyone who might be interested. Thanks! 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To explore publishing, do transmit an inquiry with your brief abstract to midatlanticjournal at gmail.com. For questions, do not hesitate to contact me. Many thanks. Sincerely, Gary C. Norman, Esq. [cid:image001.jpg at 01CDEA57.A8267780] Continuing Legal Education Department - Raising the Bar for Education Join the MSBA Section of Animal law for its signature event, the 4th Annual Animal Law Symposium on April 22nd, 2013 at Westminster Hall, 519 West Fayette St. in Baltimore from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Scholars, lawyers, students, animal control officers and animal advocates convene to discuss topics such as the implications of strict liability & Solesky on companion and service animals; dealing with the media, public pressure and public scrutiny in an animal cruelty case; litigating dog bite cases in Maryland; feral cats and the law; a state legislative update and more! 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Charlie Brown From: Rita, Sherri [mailto:Sherri.Rita at AMERICANBAR.ORG] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:31 PM Subject: Seeking information about your experiences with law practice technology Happy 2013! The Commission on Disability Rights is seeking information about the experiences of attorneys and law students with disabilities with technology access on the job. Are there particular software programs, machines, or other devices that you find difficult or impossible for you to use due to your disability? Alternatively, are there programs, etc. that actually help you with your workflow? Everything from the copy and fax machine/scanner, to your phone and whatever else you find at your workstation, to your time and case management systems-all are fair game. We would like to learn about off-the-shelf products that work for you, products that don't, your current work-arounds, and your recommendations for what can be improved to make the practice of law accessible to anyone, regardless of disability. Please share your experiences and thoughts by e-mailing me directly at sherri.rita at americanbar.org. Sherri L. Rita, J.D. Program Specialist Commission on Disability Rights (CDR)-Mail Stop 11.0 American Bar Association (ABA) 740 15th St. NW Washington, DC 20005-1022 T: 202.662.1572 F: 202.442.3439 sherri.rita at americanbar.org http://www.americanbar.org/groups/disabilityrights.html From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Jan 4 21:20:01 2013 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 15:20:01 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Working a 'dream job' [as a blind lawyer] at the SEC, The Washington Post, January 3 2013 Message-ID: Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/working-a-dream-job-at-the-sec/2013/01/03/0685d260-4acc-11e2-b709-667035ff9029_story.html Text: Working a 'dream job' at the SEC By Josie Duckett, January 03, 2013 The Washington Post Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post - Tyler Kirk, an attorney with the Securities and Exchange Commission, at the agency's offices with his seeing eye dog, Sailor, a black Lab. James "Tyler" Kirk walks the two blocks to his office at the Securities and Exchange Commission every morning, thinking about how lucky he is. He's 29, loves his work as an SEC lawyer and loves the life he has built. .But those two blocks can be dicey. "The most stressful part of my job is crossing Massachusetts Avenue. My heart is literally in my throat," said Kirk, who lost his eyesight when he was 9 to Stargardt disease, a form of macular degeneration. It never stopped him from pursuing his goals, though, and Kirk, with his black Labrador service dog Sailor, makes it across a busy thoroughfare every workday. "I love economics, I love business, I love investment," Kirk said. "This is my dream job, and how could you not be happy working in your dream job?" Less than one-tenth of 1 percent of nearly 2.8 million employees are blind, according to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Since 2001, the number of workers with severe "targeted disabilities" such as deafness, missing extremities or paralysis decreased by 6 percent. Blindness is also a targeted disability, and in recent years the government has increased its number of workers in that category. Although the EEOC has not set specific hiring goals for those with severe disabilities, a 2010 executive order called for an additional 100,000 workers with general disabilities by 2015. "You have to set goals high, or nothing will ever move," said Kathy Martinez, the assistant secretary of labor for disability employment policy, who has been blind since birth. "People with disabilities are part of the population, and we want to reflect that. We know the disability workforce is an untapped pool of workers," she said. Kirk began as an SEC intern in 2010 through the Workforce Recruitment Program, an effort sponsored by the Labor and Defense departments that recruits students with disabilities. He was a law student at the time. After a summer working in the agency's Miami field office, Kirk was hired as SEC Chairwoman Elisse B. Walter's only intern in summer 2011. "She and her staff interviewed Kirk over the phone, and they said, 'We want him,' " said Laura Stomski, a former SEC disabilities program officer who helped recruit Kirk. After graduating from the University of Miami Law School in May, Kirk took a job as counsel in the Enforcement Liaison Office at the SEC's Investment Management Division. "Our job is to facilitate communication between the enforcement attorneys and the special brain trust we have inside investment management," Kirk said. "A lot of what I do is work with enforcement attorneys on how they frame their cases." His eighth-floor work area is unadorned and dark because he is sensitive to light. Sailor rests on a dog bed in the corner as Kirk works at the computer. "I didn't have a question whether or not I could perform the work. I knew I could handle it, but what did concern me was whether or not I could be provided with the tools that I need to do that job because of my disability," said Kirk, who uses Apple technology because the hardware is equipped with accessibility settings that read text back as a voice-over. The SEC was beginning an Apple pilot program when Kirk was hired, he said. "It definitely did help lure me in," he added. Stargardt disease was diagnosed in Kirk in 1992. He was living in Atlanta with his parents, Mike and Connie Kirk, and siblings Jerad and Katie. The disease damages the macula, the tissue at the center of the retina. It is caused by gene mutation when both parents are recessive carriers. It rapidly destroys central vision but typically does not cause total blindness. The vision in Kirk's eyes went to 20/200 within months of diagnosis. Mike Kirk said that his son fought "to stay in the visual world," retaining portions of his peripheral vision for years. Today, he distinguishes light and dark only. "I remember sitting in the back of class and still seeing the chalkboard. I can remember being able to open up a book and read the page. I remember doing those things, and now the act of doing that seems completely foreign," Kirk said. He is mindful of eye contact, handshakes and posture, occasionally causing strangers to ask whether he is truly blind. His parents helped prepare him for his new life. "I tell all my kids: When you meet adults, you need to act mature. You need to reach out, give 'em a good handshake. Look them in the eyes," Mike Kirk said. "And I told Tyler [that] nothing changes - it's probably more important for you now than ever before." James Kirk attended public school and played sports. "We let him figure it out, riding bikes and all," his mother said. "He crashed and burned a lot. He came home bruised and bloodied more times than I can even think about." Atlanta school officials warned that Kirk might take longer to finish high school, but he became the Atlanta Journal and Constitution's Senior of the Year, finished college early, then earned a master's in economics and a law degree. Kirk has mastered life's routines. He shops for clothing online, organizing it based on color with Braille labels. Friends help with grocery shopping, but he prepares meals and does laundry. He and Sailor confidently navigate their Capitol Hill neighborhood. His barber, dry cleaners and favorite pub are close. And he dates with a certain advantage, he said. "Let me put it this way: My situation incentivizes relationships that are not superficial." With Stomski's help, Kirk and Sailor learned their way around the SEC. "These buildings can be confusing," Kirk said. "But Sailor - he can give tours of the place." From CJECKEL at LAW.JMLS.EDU Fri Jan 4 22:08:20 2013 From: CJECKEL at LAW.JMLS.EDU (Jeckel, Christopher) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 22:08:20 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Working a 'dream job' [as a blind lawyer] at the SEC, The Washington Post, January 3 2013 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great article. CJ ________________________________________ From: blindlaw [blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Nightingale, Noel [Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 3:20 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Working a 'dream job' [as a blind lawyer] at the SEC, The Washington Post, January 3 2013 Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/working-a-dream-job-at-the-sec/2013/01/03/0685d260-4acc-11e2-b709-667035ff9029_story.html Text: Working a 'dream job' at the SEC By Josie Duckett, January 03, 2013 The Washington Post Photo by Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post - Tyler Kirk, an attorney with the Securities and Exchange Commission, at the agency's offices with his seeing eye dog, Sailor, a black Lab. James "Tyler" Kirk walks the two blocks to his office at the Securities and Exchange Commission every morning, thinking about how lucky he is. He's 29, loves his work as an SEC lawyer and loves the life he has built. .But those two blocks can be dicey. "The most stressful part of my job is crossing Massachusetts Avenue. My heart is literally in my throat," said Kirk, who lost his eyesight when he was 9 to Stargardt disease, a form of macular degeneration. It never stopped him from pursuing his goals, though, and Kirk, with his black Labrador service dog Sailor, makes it across a busy thoroughfare every workday. "I love economics, I love business, I love investment," Kirk said. "This is my dream job, and how could you not be happy working in your dream job?" Less than one-tenth of 1 percent of nearly 2.8 million employees are blind, according to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Since 2001, the number of workers with severe "targeted disabilities" such as deafness, missing extremities or paralysis decreased by 6 percent. Blindness is also a targeted disability, and in recent years the government has increased its number of workers in that category. Although the EEOC has not set specific hiring goals for those with severe disabilities, a 2010 executive order called for an additional 100,000 workers with general disabilities by 2015. "You have to set goals high, or nothing will ever move," said Kathy Martinez, the assistant secretary of labor for disability employment policy, who has been blind since birth. "People with disabilities are part of the population, and we want to reflect that. We know the disability workforce is an untapped pool of workers," she said. Kirk began as an SEC intern in 2010 through the Workforce Recruitment Program, an effort sponsored by the Labor and Defense departments that recruits students with disabilities. He was a law student at the time. After a summer working in the agency's Miami field office, Kirk was hired as SEC Chairwoman Elisse B. Walter's only intern in summer 2011. "She and her staff interviewed Kirk over the phone, and they said, 'We want him,' " said Laura Stomski, a former SEC disabilities program officer who helped recruit Kirk. After graduating from the University of Miami Law School in May, Kirk took a job as counsel in the Enforcement Liaison Office at the SEC's Investment Management Division. "Our job is to facilitate communication between the enforcement attorneys and the special brain trust we have inside investment management," Kirk said. "A lot of what I do is work with enforcement attorneys on how they frame their cases." His eighth-floor work area is unadorned and dark because he is sensitive to light. Sailor rests on a dog bed in the corner as Kirk works at the computer. "I didn't have a question whether or not I could perform the work. I knew I could handle it, but what did concern me was whether or not I could be provided with the tools that I need to do that job because of my disability," said Kirk, who uses Apple technology because the hardware is equipped with accessibility settings that read text back as a voice-over. The SEC was beginning an Apple pilot program when Kirk was hired, he said. "It definitely did help lure me in," he added. Stargardt disease was diagnosed in Kirk in 1992. He was living in Atlanta with his parents, Mike and Connie Kirk, and siblings Jerad and Katie. The disease damages the macula, the tissue at the center of the retina. It is caused by gene mutation when both parents are recessive carriers. It rapidly destroys central vision but typically does not cause total blindness. The vision in Kirk's eyes went to 20/200 within months of diagnosis. Mike Kirk said that his son fought "to stay in the visual world," retaining portions of his peripheral vision for years. Today, he distinguishes light and dark only. "I remember sitting in the back of class and still seeing the chalkboard. I can remember being able to open up a book and read the page. I remember doing those things, and now the act of doing that seems completely foreign," Kirk said. He is mindful of eye contact, handshakes and posture, occasionally causing strangers to ask whether he is truly blind. His parents helped prepare him for his new life. "I tell all my kids: When you meet adults, you need to act mature. You need to reach out, give 'em a good handshake. Look them in the eyes," Mike Kirk said. "And I told Tyler [that] nothing changes - it's probably more important for you now than ever before." James Kirk attended public school and played sports. "We let him figure it out, riding bikes and all," his mother said. "He crashed and burned a lot. He came home bruised and bloodied more times than I can even think about." Atlanta school officials warned that Kirk might take longer to finish high school, but he became the Atlanta Journal and Constitution's Senior of the Year, finished college early, then earned a master's in economics and a law degree. Kirk has mastered life's routines. He shops for clothing online, organizing it based on color with Braille labels. Friends help with grocery shopping, but he prepares meals and does laundry. He and Sailor confidently navigate their Capitol Hill neighborhood. His barber, dry cleaners and favorite pub are close. And he dates with a certain advantage, he said. "Let me put it this way: My situation incentivizes relationships that are not superficial." With Stomski's help, Kirk and Sailor learned their way around the SEC. "These buildings can be confusing," Kirk said. "But Sailor - he can give tours of the place." _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjeckel%40law.jmls.edu From rumpole at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 6 13:14:12 2013 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:14:12 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] software Message-ID: <003C20D15BA94517B2A56BADA08FB4F9@mycomputer> Good morning Augusta. This morning it is snowing out there. The NWS says it is overcast with a chance of snow. High of 27F. Winds less than 5 mph and a Chance of snow at 40%. Tonight it will be overcast with a chance of snow. Low of 14F. Winds from the NNW at 5 to 15 mph and the chance of snow goes up to 40%. The readings from my own weather instruments are: The humidity is 79% with a dew point of 10.4ºF and a wind chill of 15.7ºF. The temperature is 15.7ºF. Presently we have North Northeast winds between 1.3 MPH and 2.7 MPH. Our Barometric pressure is 29.96/HPA 1014.5 and falling with a weather graphic indicating snow. The UV rating is 0 out of 16, sunset will be at 4:15 PM with Moon Rise at 1:19 a.m. and the moon phase is waning crescent. For the pilots out there: Raw METAR is - SPECI KAUG 061213Z AUTO 33004KT 2 1/2SM -SN FEW027 OVC034 M10/M13 A3007 Visibility is 2.5 miles/4.0 Kilometers with a few clouds to 2,700 ft / 822 m., and overcasst down to 3,400 ft / 1,036 m. We have had no snow or rain in this area in the past 24 hours. What do you know about "Jack Frost"? During the holiday season, Jack Frost returns to our collective imagination, along with Santa Claus, Rudolph, Frosty the Snowman, the Grinch, and the rest of our array of favorite seasonal characters. Jack Frost is a mischievous, but mostly benign, figure. Often portrayed as a white-haired, blue-skinned, elven figure, he is said to paint designs on our windows and nip at unsuspecting noses (and fingers and toes) during the winter months. Jack Frost is best known in North America and Britain, but has his origins in the ancient Norse figure Jokul Frosti, a wicked frost giant who served as the personification of ice and snow. The giants were violent and fearsome foes of both men and gods, a characteristic that makes sense in the light of the chaotic, and often dangerous, power of the weather phenomena they represented. In the related mythology of the Anglo-Saxon people, Jack Frost became less threatening and more of a trickster figure (possibly due to the milder winters experienced in that part of Europe when compared to the usually long, dark, and brutal winters on the Scandinavian peninsula). While it may be fun to believe that a mirthful sprite cavorts around on cold nights painting elaborate designs on our windowpanes, there is a simple, scientific explanation for why frost crystals form. When the temperature on surfaces - such as cars, windows, blades of grass, and trees - drops below freezing, it causes water vapor on them to freeze. This happens most often on clear, cold nights, when there are no clouds to hold warmth in. Due to the structure of a water molecule, these tiny ice crystals often freeze intricate patterns. There are actually several different kinds of frost. Rime frost looks like sugar sprinkled onto the edges of leaves and flower petals. It occurs whenever damp winds are coupled with extremely low temperatures. The word "rime" means "crust." Hoar frost looks like spiky hairs. It gets its name from the word "hoar," which means "ancient," because it resembles an old man's bushy, white beard (much like the one Jokul Frosti would have sported). Hoar frost occurs when water vapor freezes instantly after coming into contact with a very cold surface. Fern frost appears on windows when there is very cold air on one side and moist air on the other. This causes tiny water droplets to form on the cold glass and freeze into patterns that resemble leaves or ferns. Before people understood the structure of water molecules, the crystalline designs they awoke to find on their windowpanes on cold winter mornings must have seemed like a kind of magic. And so, they imagined a playful winter elf, Jack Frost, must have painted them there. The foregoing data is from Jaime McLeod of the Farmers' Almanac and is easily found on their web site. From rumpole at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 6 13:16:06 2013 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 08:16:06 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Apologies again Message-ID: Folks, I apologize again for having sent my weather post to the list. It is in no way related to the topic of this list, and it is the second time I have pasted the wrong clipboard item to this list in 3 months. It is embarrassing and I apologize. Ross A. Doerr From dandrews at visi.com Mon Jan 7 14:45:39 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:45:39 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Legal Dictionary Message-ID: <50EADF93.3080308@visi.com> We have a customer who is going to be doing some legal transcription work and needs an accessible legal dictionary. She uses a PC and Windows 7. Any thoughts? David Andrews -- Follow me on Twitter @dandrews920 From darlene.olsen at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 17:29:36 2013 From: darlene.olsen at gmail.com (Darlene Olsen) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 09:29:36 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Legal Dictionary In-Reply-To: <50EADF93.3080308@visi.com> References: <50EADF93.3080308@visi.com> Message-ID: Hello List, I use Deans Law dictionary. It is an online dictionary that seems okay and not to expensive. Darlene Olsen On 1/7/13, David Andrews wrote: > We have a customer who is going to be doing some legal transcription > work and needs an accessible legal dictionary. She uses a PC and > Windows 7. Any thoughts? > > David Andrews > > > -- > Follow me on Twitter @dandrews920 > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/darlene.olsen%40gmail.com > -- Darlene Olsen From william_t_miller at hotmail.com Mon Jan 7 18:57:16 2013 From: william_t_miller at hotmail.com (William T. Miller) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 13:57:16 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Legal Dictionary In-Reply-To: <50EADF93.3080308@visi.com> References: <50EADF93.3080308@visi.com> Message-ID: Try WEX, a free online legal encyclopedia hosted by the Legal Information Institute (LII) at Cornell. http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/ The LII website is an excellent free and accessible resource for researching state and federal statutes and regs, as well. Sorry for the sloppy grammer, Will Miller -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews [mailto:dandrews at visi.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:46 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Legal Dictionary We have a customer who is going to be doing some legal transcription work and needs an accessible legal dictionary. She uses a PC and Windows 7. Any thoughts? David Andrews -- Follow me on Twitter @dandrews920 From michael.steven.n at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 18:17:10 2013 From: michael.steven.n at gmail.com (Michael S. Nunez) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:17:10 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] writing JAWS Scripts for CT Summation IBlaze 3.0 Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I write this email to encourage members of this list to contact DoItBlind, http://doitblind.com/, to write JAWS scripts for CT Summation IBlaze 3.0. My office uses the CT Summation iBlaze 3.0 software for managing discovery. This software is not very accessible with JAWS, and as far as I know, there are no JAWS scripts for Summation. I recently contacted DoItBlind, a JAWS script developer, to ask that they write JAWS scripts for Summation iBlaze 3.0. To provide a bit of background, DoItBlind wrote the popular Blind Tunes scripts for Apple’s iTunes software. DoItBlind expressed interest in writing scripts for Summation. I encourage others on this list who work in offices that use CT Summation iBlaze 3.0 to contact DoItBlind to encourage them to write scripts for Summation. If DoItBlind receives more requests for Summation JAWS scripts, they will see that there is a market for such scripts and will be more inclined to write them. I also encourage others on this list to contact Access Data Group, the company that markets Summation, to encourage them to improve accessibility in future releases of summation. Also, if you know of another developer who is well suited to developing scripts for summation, please let me know. I would like to have other script developer contacts in case DoItBlind decides not to script Summation. Best, Michael -Michael S. Nunez Wolinsky Fellowship Attorney Disability Rights Advocates From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Jan 9 20:57:56 2013 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:57:56 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] California, law school test council spar over accommodations for disabled, The National Law Journal, January 8, 2013 In-Reply-To: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE162341D5AF2C717F@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> References: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE162341D5AF2C717F@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> Message-ID: Link: http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202583770614&California_law_school_test_council_spar_over_accommodations_for_disabled&slreturn=20130009155405 Text: California, law school test council spar over accommodations for disabled By Karen Sloan Contact All Articles The National Law Journal January 8, 2013 Photo: President of the Law School Admissions Council Dan Bernstine The Law School Admission Council has sued the state of California over a new law that bars the organization from alerting law schools when applicants get extra time to complete the Law School Admission Test. The California Legislature approved the legislation in September, with supporters arguing that the practice-also known as "flagging"-discriminates against disabled test takers who need the extra time. The law took effect on January 1 and will apply to scores earned during the February 9 LSAT sitting. The council filed suit on January 4 in Sacramento County, Calif., Superior Court, seeking to block its enforcement. The council contends that the law is unconstitutional because it violates its freedom of speech and does not apply to other testing entities. Attorneys for the parties are due in court for a hearing on January 9. "LSAC's practice of identifying scores earned with additional testing time is based on decades of research that consistently has shown that scores earned with this accommodation do not perform their predictive function in the same way that scores earned with standard time constraints do," council president Dan Bernstine said in a prepared statement. The California attorney general's office did not respond to calls for comment. Accommodating LSAT takers who claim disabilities has long been controversial for the council, but the issue moved to the forefront during the past year. The U.S. Department of Justice in the fall joined a class action against the council alleging that its testing accommodation policies violate the Americans with Disabilities Act. Additionally, the American Bar Association's House of Delegates has urged the council to revamp the way it handles accommodation requests. Test administrators acknowledge that their procedures for screening accommodation requests are more rigorous than those for nearly every other standardized testing organization, but they argue that close scrutiny protects the LSAT's integrity as a predictor of who will succeed in law school. Their research shows that LSAT scores earned when takers had extra time were not comparable to scores earned within the standard time-although some disability advocates have disputed this finding. Approximately 2,000 would-be test takers seek accommodations each year, and the council grants some form of accommodation to about half of them. Extra time is the most frequently requested accommodation. About one third of those granted accommodations suffer learning disorders. The council only flags the scores for test takers granted extra time, and not for those granted other accommodations, including extra-long breaks between test sections or a separate testing room. The state law, sponsored by Assemblyman Ricardo Lara, also requires the council to explain its reasons for disapproving any request for accommodation and to "establish a timely appeals process." "To comply, LSAC would be forced to send out score reports with incomplete and inaccurate information for scores obtained with extra time," the council argued in court papers. "Once the reports are sent, there would be no realistic opportunity to later retract or amend the information." The council faces fines of as much as $750 per violation of the law, according to its attorneys. Contact Karen Sloan at ksloan at alm.com. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Jan 10 21:11:33 2013 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:11:33 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY, UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, Eastern District of Washington, Vacancy Announcement Number 2013-1 In-Reply-To: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE162341D5AF2C7389@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> References: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE162341D5AF2C7389@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> Message-ID: Link: http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/vac-ann-num-2013-1.htm Text: ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE Eastern District of Washington Vacancy Announcement Number 2013-1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About the Office: The United States Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Washington has three offices, the main office located in Spokane, a branch office in Yakima, and an unstaffed office in Richland. This position is located in the Spokane, Washington office. For additional information about this office refer to our internet site at www.usdoj.gov/usao/wae/. Responsibilities and Opportunity Offered: The United States Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Washington has an opening for an Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA) in its Civil Division. This attorney will handle a wide variety of civil cases at the district court and appellate level involving, for example: defensive torts (property damage and personal injury, such as medical malpractice); Bivens claims; employment discrimination; land condemnations; foreclosures; defensive environmental claims; affirmative civil enforcement; challenges to agency actions; and bankruptcy. Type of Position: This is a permanent position. However, all initial attorney appointments to the Department of Justice are made on a 14-month (temporary) basis pending favorable adjudication of a background investigation. Who May Apply: Any qualified United States citizen. Qualifications: Required Qualifications: Applicants must possess a J.D. degree from an accredited law school, be duly licensed and authorized to practice law as an active member of the bar (any jurisdiction), and have at least one year of post-J.D. legal or other relevant experience. Preferred Qualifications: Ideally, applicants will have two to seven years of experience litigating civil cases in federal court or similar relevant experience, with responsibility for all aspects of discovery, pretrial hearings, settlement negotiations, trials, and appeals. The ideal applicant will also have some subject matter expertise in one or more of the variety of civil cases identified above, appellate writing and oral advocacy experience, and a demonstrated ability to work well with others, from support personnel to supervisors. Applicants must be flexible and willing to learn new areas of the law, strategic when it comes to engaging in defensive litigation, forthright and diplomatic in dealing with client agencies and the court, and dedicated to public service by way of a commitment to representing the United States. Applicants must demonstrate superior written and oral communication skills. They must be able to define and articulate critical issues in a wide variety of cases and areas of law. Applicants must be able to manage a caseload composed of very different kinds of cases with correspondingly different demands and deadlines. Applicants must be self-starters and good managers of their time. They must be willing and able to conduct their own legal research and writing and be substantially self-sufficient in managing cases and deadlines, preparing day-to-day correspondence and filings, and using computer programs and systems (CM/ECF, word processing, Westlaw, Lexis/Nexis, etc.). Travel: Assistant United States Attorneys in the Spokane office occasionally travel for court hearings in the Yakima courthouse 210 miles from Spokane, and Richland courthouse 110 miles from Spokane. United States District judges sit in Spokane, Yakima, and Richland. Salary Information: Assistant United States Attorneys' pay is administratively determined based, in part, on the number years of professional attorney experience. The basic range of pay is $44,581 to $131,534, plus locality pay where authorized. The current locality pay for Spokane is 14.16%. Location: The city of Spokane is located near the eastern border of Washington state 29 miles from the Idaho border and referred to as the Aheart of the Inland Northwest.@ The Eastern District of Washington is comprised of 21 counties which is inclusive of the area from the Cascade mountains to the Idaho border and from the Canadian to the Oregon border. This is a diverse ecological area with vast timber, desert, and agricultural lands. It offers four distinct seasons which accommodate water sports, biking, hunting, fishing and hiking, and a wide variety of winter sports. For additional information on the Spokane area visit www.visitspokane.com. Relocation Expenses: Relocation expenses are not authorized. Security Requirements: Initial appointment is conditioned upon a satisfactory preemployment adjudication. This includes fingerprint and credit checks, and drug testing. In addition, continued employment is subject to a favorable adjudication of a background investigation. Application Process and Deadline Date: Interested applicants should send an original, signed cover letter; detailed resume; writing sample edited solely by applicant (at least 7 pages in length, containing substantive legal analysis); and current performance evaluation/rating, if any, no later than January 22, 2013 to: United States Attorney's Office, Attn: Kathy Devlin, Administrative Services Specialist, Post Office Box1494, Spokane, Washington 99210-1494 (or 920 West Riverside Avenue, Suite 340, Spokane, WA 99201). No telephone calls please. Fax and e-mail applications will not be accepted. Internet Sites: This and other attorney vacancy announcements can be found at: http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/attvacancies.html Department Policies: Assistant United States Attorneys generally must reside in the district to which he or she is appointed. See 28 U.S.C. § 545 for district-specific information. The U.S. Department of Justice is an Equal Opportunity/Reasonable Accommodation Employer. Except where otherwise provided by law, there will be no discrimination because of color, race, religion, national origin, political affiliation, marital status, disability (physical or mental), age, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, genetic information, status as a parent, membership or non-membership in an employee organization, on the basis of personal favoritism, or any non merit factor. The Department of Justice welcomes and encourages applications from persons with physical and mental disabilities. The Department is firmly committed to satisfying its affirmative obligations under the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, to ensure that persons with disabilities have every opportunity to be hired and advanced on the basis of merit within the Department of Justice. This agency provides reasonable accommodation to applicants with disabilities where appropriate. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please notify the agency. Determinations on requests for reasonable accommodation will be made on a case-by-case basis. It is the policy of the Department to achieve a drug-free workplace and persons selected for employment will be required to pass a drug test which screens for illegal drug use prior to final appointment. Employment is also contingent upon the completion and satisfactory adjudication of a background investigation. Only U.S. citizens are eligible for employment with the Executive Office for Immigration Review and the United States Attorneys' Offices. Unless otherwise indicated in a particular job advertisement, non-U.S. citizens may apply for employment with other organizations, but should be advised that appointments of non-U.S. citizens are extremely rare; such appointments would be possible only if necessary to accomplish the Department's mission and would be subject to strict security requirements. Applicants who hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and another country will be considered on a case-by-case basis. There is no formal rating system for applying veterans' preference to attorney appointments in the excepted service; however, the Department of Justice considers veterans' preference eligibility as a positive factor in attorney hiring. Applicants eligible for veterans' preference must include that information in their cover letter or resume and attach supporting documentation (e.g., the DD 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty and other supporting documentation) to their submissions. Although the "point" system is not used, per se, applicants eligible to claim 10-point preference must submit Standard Form (SF) 15, Application for 10-Point Veteran Preference, and submit the supporting documentation required for the specific type of preference claimed (visit the OPM website, www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/SF15.pdf for a copy of SF 15, which lists the types of 10-point preferences and the required supporting document(s). Applicants should note that SF 15 requires supporting documentation associated with service-connected disabilities or receipt of nonservice-connected disability pensions to be dated 1991 or later except in the case of service members submitting official statements or retirement orders from a branch of the Armed Forces showing that his or her retirement was due to a permanent service-connected disability or that he/she was transferred to the permanent disability retired list (the statement or retirement orders must indicate that the disability is 10% or more). *** The Department of Justice cannot control further dissemination and/or posting of information contained in this vacancy announcement. Such posting and/or dissemination is not an endorsement by the Department of the organization or group disseminating and/or posting the information. From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 11 01:15:57 2013 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:15:57 -0200 Subject: [blindlaw] Question about a law book Message-ID: Good evening all: I will be taking an online course at Penn State University at the end of this month and I am required to buy the following book: American Legal English, Lee, D.S., Hall, C., and Barone, S. M. (2007). 2nd Edition. The University of Michigan Press. ISBN: 978-0-472-03206-8. Does anybody know where I can purchase this book in an accessible formate? Any help will be much apreciated. Regards. From wickps at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 01:25:51 2013 From: wickps at gmail.com (Paul Wick) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:25:51 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Question about a law book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Marcos, With non-legal publishers (who published law-related books), I have had good luck contacting the publishers directly, and providing any evidence they asked for concerning course enrollment etc.. They then sent a copy of the book in pdf on a CD. Best of luck to you, Paul On 1/10/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > > Good evening all: > > I will be taking an online course at Penn State University at the end of > this month and I am required to buy the following book: > American Legal English, Lee, D.S., Hall, C., and Barone, S. M. (2007). 2nd > Edition. The University of Michigan Press. ISBN: 978-0-472-03206-8. > > Does anybody know where I can purchase this book in an accessible formate? > > Any help will be much apreciated. > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com > From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Fri Jan 11 01:52:06 2013 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:52:06 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Question about a law book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301cdef9e$4316eea0$c944cbe0$@com> Wow, Paul, may be you should share a secret with me!! If I can contact publishers directly, I'll be the happiest lark careering around in the skies!! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From cannona at fireantproductions.com Fri Jan 11 01:55:59 2013 From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:55:59 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Question about a law book In-Reply-To: <001301cdef9e$4316eea0$c944cbe0$@com> References: <001301cdef9e$4316eea0$c944cbe0$@com> Message-ID: I've also had luck in doing this. Most recently, I contacted a small publishing house in New York to obtain an accessible copy of their English Esperanto dictionary. (You think law texts are hard to find in accessible formats...) Good luck. Aaron On 1/10/13, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote: > Wow, Paul, may be you should share a secret with me!! If I can contact > publishers directly, I'll be the happiest lark careering around in the > skies!! > > Sincerely, > Olusegun > Denver, Colorado > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com > From william_t_miller at hotmail.com Fri Jan 11 19:32:34 2013 From: william_t_miller at hotmail.com (William T. Miller) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:32:34 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Question about a law book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You could also try to get an accessible version through the university's office for disability services. When I was in law school I purchased the books, then provided the receipt to the university. The university contacted the publisher, and the publisher usually provided a PDF of the text on a CD-ROM. A university the size of Penn State surely has experience providing this accommodation to blind students. Good luck, Will Miller -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wick [mailto:wickps at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:26 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question about a law book Dear Marcos, With non-legal publishers (who published law-related books), I have had good luck contacting the publishers directly, and providing any evidence they asked for concerning course enrollment etc.. They then sent a copy of the book in pdf on a CD. Best of luck to you, Paul On 1/10/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > > Good evening all: > > I will be taking an online course at Penn State University at the end of > this month and I am required to buy the following book: > American Legal English, Lee, D.S., Hall, C., and Barone, S. M. (2007). 2nd > Edition. The University of Michigan Press. ISBN: 978-0-472-03206-8. > > Does anybody know where I can purchase this book in an accessible formate? > > Any help will be much apreciated. > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com > From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Fri Jan 11 19:43:31 2013 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:43:31 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Question about a law book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301cdf033$efe764d0$cfb62e70$@wiennergould.com> Wow! I'm getting old. I graduated in 1992, and I never got any help from a publisher. All books had to be recorded or scanned, and the OCR programs stunk back then. ------------------------------------------- Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of William T. Miller Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:33 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question about a law book You could also try to get an accessible version through the university's office for disability services. When I was in law school I purchased the books, then provided the receipt to the university. The university contacted the publisher, and the publisher usually provided a PDF of the text on a CD-ROM. A university the size of Penn State surely has experience providing this accommodation to blind students. Good luck, Will Miller -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wick [mailto:wickps at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:26 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question about a law book Dear Marcos, With non-legal publishers (who published law-related books), I have had good luck contacting the publishers directly, and providing any evidence they asked for concerning course enrollment etc.. They then sent a copy of the book in pdf on a CD. Best of luck to you, Paul On 1/10/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > > Good evening all: > > I will be taking an online course at Penn State University at the end > of this month and I am required to buy the following book: > American Legal English, Lee, D.S., Hall, C., and Barone, S. M. (2007). > 2nd Edition. The University of Michigan Press. ISBN: 978-0-472-03206-8. > > Does anybody know where I can purchase this book in an accessible formate? > > Any help will be much apreciated. > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.c > om > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould. com From attorney at alcidonislaw.com Fri Jan 11 19:56:52 2013 From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esquire) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:56:52 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Question about a law book In-Reply-To: <001301cdf033$efe764d0$cfb62e70$@wiennergould.com> References: <001301cdf033$efe764d0$cfb62e70$@wiennergould.com> Message-ID: <1D74355F04214DD9832AA5B51E61B194@AlcidonisLawPC> As of 2004, I was using flatbed scanners to scan my books in two or three hours. Today, my scanner takes 50 pages per minute. Difference: 20 minutes worth of scanning. Plus, I get many of them electronically these days. Rod Alcidonis, Esquire Alcidonis Law Office 2824 Cottman Avenue Suite 15 Philadelphia, PA 19149 Phone: (215) 305-8085 Work e-mail: attorney at alcidonislaw.com Listserv: lawoffice at alcidonislaw.com Licensed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey -----Original Message----- From: Daniel K. Beitz Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:43 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question about a law book Wow! I'm getting old. I graduated in 1992, and I never got any help from a publisher. All books had to be recorded or scanned, and the OCR programs stunk back then. ------------------------------------------- Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of William T. Miller Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:33 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question about a law book You could also try to get an accessible version through the university's office for disability services. When I was in law school I purchased the books, then provided the receipt to the university. The university contacted the publisher, and the publisher usually provided a PDF of the text on a CD-ROM. A university the size of Penn State surely has experience providing this accommodation to blind students. Good luck, Will Miller -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wick [mailto:wickps at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:26 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question about a law book Dear Marcos, With non-legal publishers (who published law-related books), I have had good luck contacting the publishers directly, and providing any evidence they asked for concerning course enrollment etc.. They then sent a copy of the book in pdf on a CD. Best of luck to you, Paul On 1/10/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > > Good evening all: > > I will be taking an online course at Penn State University at the end > of this month and I am required to buy the following book: > American Legal English, Lee, D.S., Hall, C., and Barone, S. M. (2007). > 2nd Edition. The University of Michigan Press. ISBN: 978-0-472-03206-8. > > Does anybody know where I can purchase this book in an accessible formate? > > Any help will be much apreciated. > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.c > om > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould. com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonislaw.com From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 01:31:35 2013 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:31:35 -0200 Subject: [blindlaw] Question about a law book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to all suggestion given. I think I will get in touch with the Penn State disability department since I could not find the book on the app store. Regards. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Em 11/01/2013, às 17:32, William T. Miller escreveu: > You could also try to get an accessible version through the university's > office for disability services. When I was in law school I purchased the > books, then provided the receipt to the university. The university contacted > the publisher, and the publisher usually provided a PDF of the text on a > CD-ROM. A university the size of Penn State surely has experience providing > this accommodation to blind students. > Good luck, > > Will Miller > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wick [mailto:wickps at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:26 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question about a law book > > Dear Marcos, > > With non-legal publishers (who published law-related books), I have > had good luck contacting the publishers directly, and providing any > evidence they asked for concerning course enrollment etc.. They then > sent a copy of the book in pdf on a CD. > > Best of luck to you, > > Paul > > On 1/10/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >> >> Good evening all: >> >> I will be taking an online course at Penn State University at the end of >> this month and I am required to buy the following book: >> American Legal English, Lee, D.S., Hall, C., and Barone, S. M. (2007). 2nd >> Edition. The University of Michigan Press. ISBN: 978-0-472-03206-8. >> >> Does anybody know where I can purchase this book in an accessible formate? >> >> Any help will be much apreciated. >> >> Regards. >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com > From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 18:01:57 2013 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:01:57 -0200 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US Message-ID: Hi listers: I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like to know about good law schools in the US. I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law school did you take your law course degree and post graduation degree or LLM? Cheers. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com From adam.zimmerman719 at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 19:06:46 2013 From: adam.zimmerman719 at gmail.com (Adam Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 14:06:46 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Marco, Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my background as a legal recruiter working externally with large firms prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM program though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for students with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that does not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality and attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure I had all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have had at least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. I hope that's helpful. Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > Hi listers: > > I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like to know about good law schools in the US. > > I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law school did you take your law course degree and post graduation degree or LLM? > > Cheers. > Marcos Rodrigues > mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 19:43:15 2013 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:43:15 -0200 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks Adam, I will search tis school. Enviado via iPhone Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman escreveu: > Marco, > > Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my background as a legal recruiter working externally with large firms prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM program though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for students with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that does not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality and attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure I had all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have had at least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. > > I hope that's helpful. > > Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > >> Hi listers: >> >> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like to know about good law schools in the US. >> >> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law school did you take your law course degree and post graduation degree or LLM? >> >> Cheers. >> Marcos Rodrigues >> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com > From fwlopez at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 20:23:17 2013 From: fwlopez at comcast.net (Fred Wright Lopez) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:23:17 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is what do you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an academic / teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If so, than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM program will most assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an LLM in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in to hiring and promotional opportunities. By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an undergraduate and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I graduated many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM program at Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and highly competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley are interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial administration careers. Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State Department sponsored programs. Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt Hall I remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability and access for students. The law school has had previous JD students who are blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for students on campus and in the community at large. An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings, but access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, will you make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit you throughout your legal career. I hope these commens of of some assistance. Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez Boalt Hall "79 On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > thanks Adam, I will search tis school. > > Enviado via iPhone > > Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman escreveu: > >> Marco, >> >> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my background as a legal recruiter working externally with large firms prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM program though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for students with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that does not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality and attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure I had all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have had at least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. >> >> I hope that's helpful. >> >> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >> >>> Hi listers: >>> >>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like to know about good law schools in the US. >>> >>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law school did you take your law course degree and post graduation degree or LLM? >>> >>> Cheers. >>> Marcos Rodrigues >>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 21:22:19 2013 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:22:19 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: I am not personally planning to pursue an LLM in the US at this time but I would be interested in an account of the supports available to a blind student and how these would be funded for an international student, who would presumably not get US government funding? As a general comment Marco, I would look first at what the school offers and decide on a list of the schools you would like to attend, based on what specializations they offer. Then focus on supports, costs etc. Certainly outside the US (I am in Europe) rankings matter more than one would think, perhaps much more than they should. Would I be right in thinking that large US firms are really hireing on where a JD was completed and what school you did your JD in, rather than LLM results? G On 1/12/13, Fred Wright Lopez wrote: > There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is what do > you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an academic / > teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If so, than I > would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM program will most > assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an LLM in tax law > than it may not count as much but would still factor in to hiring and > promotional opportunities. > > By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an undergraduate > and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I graduated > many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM program at > Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and highly > competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley are interested > in teaching, technology / business or judicial administration careers. > Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State Department > sponsored programs. > > Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt Hall I > remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability and > access for students. The law school has had previous JD students who are > blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for students > on campus and in the community at large. > > An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings, but > access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, will you > make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit you > throughout your legal career. > > I hope these commens of of some assistance. > > Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez > Boalt Hall "79 > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > >> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >> >> Enviado via iPhone >> >> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >> escreveu: >> >>> Marco, >>> >>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school matters >>> far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my background as >>> a legal recruiter working externally with large firms prior to law >>> school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in downtown Boston which >>> has a highly regarded international LLM program though the law school is >>> ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a lousy undergrad experience >>> with respect to accommodations for students with visual disabilities at a >>> prestigious liberal arts school that does not have a law school and I was >>> thoroughly amazed at the quality and attentiveness of the Office of >>> Disability Services at Suffolk Law provided. I could not have asked for >>> better partners in my legal education. They went above and beyond on a >>> regular basis to ensure I had all my books in digital format and worked >>> with me to deal with any concerns professors might have had. As a result >>> of Suffolk Law's experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say >>> they have had at least one blind or visually impaired student >>> matriculated in every graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class >>> of 2015. >>> >>> I hope that's helpful. >>> >>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi listers: >>>> >>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like to >>>> know about good law schools in the US. >>>> >>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law >>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation degree or >>>> LLM? >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From adam.zimmerman719 at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 21:57:54 2013 From: adam.zimmerman719 at gmail.com (Adam Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:57:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: <40E468A6-E386-48E3-A9B1-DB41842FD3EC@gmail.com> In my experience as a recruiter the school you attended for your JD and how you did there is significantly more important than where your LLM is from. The area of specialization for the LLM degree i.e. taxation, labor relations and such will be of more concern to the big firms. I should caveat that I stopped recruiting when I started law school in the fall of 2007, just before the economy went to hell and the legal hiring landscape fundamentally changed forever so it could be different now. I had a big firm Summer offer in San Francisco for my 2L summer in 2009 but the firm ended up canceling the summer program that year and I've been struggling to keep my head above water ever since. Had a one year contract gig at a 40 attorney shop in my home state of Maine after working as a research director on a 2010 Gubernatorial campaign also in Maine. Been out of work since June and trying to find anything I can get in a large city with good public transit. I'm licensed in MA but also open to paralegal work somewhere I'm not licensed if that's what it takes. Unfortunately on the JD level it's still all about where you went and how you did. I was top 3rd and published in a law journal but, while I know I got a top notch legal education, Suffolk is still a third tier school so I've had to fight for every opportunity and, given the economy, there are too few out there. Good luck to you if you decide to make the leap though. Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2013, at 4:22 PM, Gerard Sadlier wrote: > I am not personally planning to pursue an LLM in the US at this time > but I would be interested in an account of the supports available to a > blind student and how these would be funded for an international > student, who would presumably not get US government funding? > > As a general comment Marco, I would look first at what the school > offers and decide on a list of the schools you would like to attend, > based on what specializations they offer. Then focus on supports, > costs etc. > > Certainly outside the US (I am in Europe) rankings matter more than > one would think, perhaps much more than they should. > > Would I be right in thinking that large US firms are really hireing on > where a JD was completed and what school you did your JD in, rather > than LLM results? > > G > > On 1/12/13, Fred Wright Lopez wrote: >> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is what do >> you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an academic / >> teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If so, than I >> would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM program will most >> assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an LLM in tax law >> than it may not count as much but would still factor in to hiring and >> promotional opportunities. >> >> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an undergraduate >> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I graduated >> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM program at >> Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and highly >> competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley are interested >> in teaching, technology / business or judicial administration careers. >> Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State Department >> sponsored programs. >> >> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt Hall I >> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability and >> access for students. The law school has had previous JD students who are >> blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for students >> on campus and in the community at large. >> >> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings, but >> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, will you >> make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit you >> throughout your legal career. >> >> I hope these commens of of some assistance. >> >> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez >> Boalt Hall "79 >> >> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >> >>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >>> >>> Enviado via iPhone >>> >>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >>> escreveu: >>> >>>> Marco, >>>> >>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school matters >>>> far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my background as >>>> a legal recruiter working externally with large firms prior to law >>>> school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in downtown Boston which >>>> has a highly regarded international LLM program though the law school is >>>> ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a lousy undergrad experience >>>> with respect to accommodations for students with visual disabilities at a >>>> prestigious liberal arts school that does not have a law school and I was >>>> thoroughly amazed at the quality and attentiveness of the Office of >>>> Disability Services at Suffolk Law provided. I could not have asked for >>>> better partners in my legal education. They went above and beyond on a >>>> regular basis to ensure I had all my books in digital format and worked >>>> with me to deal with any concerns professors might have had. As a result >>>> of Suffolk Law's experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say >>>> they have had at least one blind or visually impaired student >>>> matriculated in every graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class >>>> of 2015. >>>> >>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>> >>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi listers: >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like to >>>>> know about good law schools in the US. >>>>> >>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law >>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation degree or >>>>> LLM? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com From paulharpur at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 23:07:18 2013 From: paulharpur at gmail.com (Paul Harpur) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:07:18 +1000 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: <40E468A6-E386-48E3-A9B1-DB41842FD3EC@gmail.com> References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> <40E468A6-E386-48E3-A9B1-DB41842FD3EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000101cdf119$96e68aa0$c4b39fe0$@com> Where you do an LLM counts if you later want to enter academia. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Adam Zimmerman Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013 7:58 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In my experience as a recruiter the school you attended for your JD and how you did there is significantly more important than where your LLM is from. The area of specialization for the LLM degree i.e. taxation, labor relations and such will be of more concern to the big firms. I should caveat that I stopped recruiting when I started law school in the fall of 2007, just before the economy went to hell and the legal hiring landscape fundamentally changed forever so it could be different now. I had a big firm Summer offer in San Francisco for my 2L summer in 2009 but the firm ended up canceling the summer program that year and I've been struggling to keep my head above water ever since. Had a one year contract gig at a 40 attorney shop in my home state of Maine after working as a research director on a 2010 Gubernatorial campaign also in Maine. Been out of work since June and trying to find anything I can get in a large city with good public transit. I'm licensed in MA but also open to paralegal work somewhere I'm not licensed if that's what it takes. Unfortunately on the JD level it's still all about where you went and how you did. I was top 3rd and published in a law journal but, while I know I got a top notch legal education, Suffolk is still a third tier school so I've had to fight for every opportunity and, given the economy, there are too few out there. Good luck to you if you decide to make the leap though. Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2013, at 4:22 PM, Gerard Sadlier wrote: > I am not personally planning to pursue an LLM in the US at this time > but I would be interested in an account of the supports available to a > blind student and how these would be funded for an international > student, who would presumably not get US government funding? > > As a general comment Marco, I would look first at what the school > offers and decide on a list of the schools you would like to attend, > based on what specializations they offer. Then focus on supports, > costs etc. > > Certainly outside the US (I am in Europe) rankings matter more than > one would think, perhaps much more than they should. > > Would I be right in thinking that large US firms are really hireing on > where a JD was completed and what school you did your JD in, rather > than LLM results? > > G > > On 1/12/13, Fred Wright Lopez wrote: >> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is what do >> you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an academic / >> teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If so, than I >> would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM program will most >> assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an LLM in tax law >> than it may not count as much but would still factor in to hiring and >> promotional opportunities. >> >> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an undergraduate >> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I graduated >> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM program at >> Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and highly >> competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley are interested >> in teaching, technology / business or judicial administration careers. >> Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State Department >> sponsored programs. >> >> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt Hall I >> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability and >> access for students. The law school has had previous JD students who are >> blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for students >> on campus and in the community at large. >> >> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings, but >> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, will you >> make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit you >> throughout your legal career. >> >> I hope these commens of of some assistance. >> >> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez >> Boalt Hall "79 >> >> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >> >>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >>> >>> Enviado via iPhone >>> >>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >>> escreveu: >>> >>>> Marco, >>>> >>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school matters >>>> far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my background as >>>> a legal recruiter working externally with large firms prior to law >>>> school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in downtown Boston which >>>> has a highly regarded international LLM program though the law school is >>>> ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a lousy undergrad experience >>>> with respect to accommodations for students with visual disabilities at a >>>> prestigious liberal arts school that does not have a law school and I was >>>> thoroughly amazed at the quality and attentiveness of the Office of >>>> Disability Services at Suffolk Law provided. I could not have asked for >>>> better partners in my legal education. They went above and beyond on a >>>> regular basis to ensure I had all my books in digital format and worked >>>> with me to deal with any concerns professors might have had. As a result >>>> of Suffolk Law's experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say >>>> they have had at least one blind or visually impaired student >>>> matriculated in every graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class >>>> of 2015. >>>> >>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>> >>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi listers: >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like to >>>>> know about good law schools in the US. >>>>> >>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law >>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation degree or >>>>> LLM? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 23:48:33 2013 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:48:33 -0200 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi: I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law. I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the New York Bar Examination after the LLM if everything work out the way I am planning. Regards. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu: > There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is what do you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an academic / teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If so, than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM program will most assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an LLM in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in to hiring and promotional opportunities. > > By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an undergraduate and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I graduated many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM program at Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and highly competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley are interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial administration careers. Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State Department sponsored programs. > > Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt Hall I remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability and access for students. The law school has had previous JD students who are blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for students on campus and in the community at large. > > An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings, but access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, will you make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit you throughout your legal career. > > I hope these commens of of some assistance. > > Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez > Boalt Hall "79 > > On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > >> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >> >> Enviado via iPhone >> >> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman escreveu: >> >>> Marco, >>> >>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my background as a legal recruiter working externally with large firms prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM program though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for students with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that does not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality and attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure I had all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have had at least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. >>> >>> I hope that's helpful. >>> >>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>> >>>> Hi listers: >>>> >>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like to know about good law schools in the US. >>>> >>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law school did you take your law course degree and post graduation degree or LLM? >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com > From wickps at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 00:34:11 2013 From: wickps at gmail.com (Paul Wick) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:34:11 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: Adam, I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of Law in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience with accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very fortunate to be working part-time doing Social Security Disability appeals, but I am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for other options. It has also been my experience that there just aren't any jobs out there, and those that exist require experience I don't have. Marcos, My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, but the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the LLM in Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our U.S. Legal Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil law countries who want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) I had a few of these students in my classes, and they were really interesting people. As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An LLM costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested I do their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal government and scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM tuition over the 3 years of law school which I think is about the proper cost of a legal education. I said that I just didn't think the cost-benefit analysis made it worth pursuing. This was followed by total silence on my professors’ part. Just my thoughts. Best, Paul S. Wick, Esq. On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > Hi: > > I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law. > > I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the New York Bar > Examination after the LLM if everything work out the way I am planning. > > Regards. > Marcos Rodrigues > mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com > > > > Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu: > >> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is what do >> you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an academic >> / teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If so, >> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM program >> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an LLM >> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in to >> hiring and promotional opportunities. >> >> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an undergraduate >> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I graduated >> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM program at >> Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and >> highly competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley are >> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial administration >> careers. Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State >> Department sponsored programs. >> >> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt Hall I >> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability and >> access for students. The law school has had previous JD students who are >> blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for >> students on campus and in the community at large. >> >> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings, but >> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, will >> you make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit you >> throughout your legal career. >> >> I hope these commens of of some assistance. >> >> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez >> Boalt Hall "79 >> >> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >> >>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >>> >>> Enviado via iPhone >>> >>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >>> escreveu: >>> >>>> Marco, >>>> >>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school >>>> matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my >>>> background as a legal recruiter working externally with large firms >>>> prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in >>>> downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM program >>>> though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a >>>> lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for students >>>> with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that does >>>> not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality and >>>> attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law >>>> provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal >>>> education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure I had >>>> all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any >>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's >>>> experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have had at >>>> least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every >>>> graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. >>>> >>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>> >>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi listers: >>>>> >>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like to >>>>> know about good law schools in the US. >>>>> >>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law >>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation degree >>>>> or LLM? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com > From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 13 02:29:43 2013 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 00:29:43 -0200 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Paul: This LLM in American Law is exactly what I am looking for, I will check Golden Gate. SF is a very interesting city to live for one year, so it is worth checking schools there (I think Stanford and UC Berkley are very hard for me to be accepted, so Golden Gates or UC Astings might better options). Let me ask another question that may look like stupid but it is something that I really don't know: what is the difference between Law school graduation (which I think takes four years in the US and five here in Brazil) and this JD program that you and all the schools website talk about? Is this JD something like a masters in law or something different (I don't think we have this in Brazil). Regards. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Em 12/01/2013, às 22:34, Paul Wick escreveu: > Adam, > > I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of Law > in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience with > accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very fortunate to > be working part-time doing Social Security Disability appeals, but I > am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for other options. It > has also been my experience that there just aren't any jobs out there, > and those that exist require experience I don't have. > > Marcos, > > My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, but > the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the LLM in > Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our U.S. Legal > Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil law countries who > want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) I had a few of these > students in my classes, and they were really interesting people. > > As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An LLM > costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested I do > their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal government and > scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM tuition over the 3 > years of law school which I think is about the proper cost of a legal > education. I said that I just didn't think the cost-benefit analysis > made it worth pursuing. This was followed by total silence on my > professors’ part. > > Just my thoughts. > > Best, > Paul S. Wick, Esq. > > > On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >> Hi: >> >> I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law. >> >> I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the New York Bar >> Examination after the LLM if everything work out the way I am planning. >> >> Regards. >> Marcos Rodrigues >> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >> >> >> >> Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu: >> >>> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is what do >>> you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an academic >>> / teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If so, >>> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM program >>> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an LLM >>> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in to >>> hiring and promotional opportunities. >>> >>> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an undergraduate >>> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I graduated >>> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM program at >>> Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and >>> highly competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley are >>> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial administration >>> careers. Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State >>> Department sponsored programs. >>> >>> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt Hall I >>> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability and >>> access for students. The law school has had previous JD students who are >>> blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for >>> students on campus and in the community at large. >>> >>> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings, but >>> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, will >>> you make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit you >>> throughout your legal career. >>> >>> I hope these commens of of some assistance. >>> >>> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez >>> Boalt Hall "79 >>> >>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>> >>>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >>>> >>>> Enviado via iPhone >>>> >>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >>>> escreveu: >>>> >>>>> Marco, >>>>> >>>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school >>>>> matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my >>>>> background as a legal recruiter working externally with large firms >>>>> prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in >>>>> downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM program >>>>> though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a >>>>> lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for students >>>>> with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that does >>>>> not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality and >>>>> attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law >>>>> provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal >>>>> education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure I had >>>>> all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any >>>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's >>>>> experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have had at >>>>> least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every >>>>> graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. >>>>> >>>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>>> >>>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi listers: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like to >>>>>> know about good law schools in the US. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law >>>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation degree >>>>>> or LLM? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com > From wickps at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 02:50:51 2013 From: wickps at gmail.com (Paul Wick) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:50:51 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: Marcos, No problem, the JD (Juris Doctor, or Doctor of Jurisprudence) is the first degree granted by U.S. law schools, it takes 3 years full-time study or 4 years part-time. This degree was simply a re-naming of the former Bachelor of Laws degree by American law schools in the 1960's to make the degree seem more prestigious. Historically the JD had been granted by some schools following a research dissertation (in place of the LLM.) The highest law degree (i.e. doctoral level) which very few have is the SJD (Scientiae Juridicae Doctor, or Doctor of Juritical Science.) Hope this helps. Paul S. Wick, Esq. On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > Hi Paul: > > This LLM in American Law is exactly what I am looking for, I will check > Golden Gate. > > SF is a very interesting city to live for one year, so it is worth checking > schools there (I think Stanford and UC Berkley are very hard for me to be > accepted, so Golden Gates or UC Astings might better options). > > Let me ask another question that may look like stupid but it is something > that I really don't know: what is the difference between Law school > graduation (which I think takes four years in the US and five here in > Brazil) and this JD program that you and all the schools website talk > about? > Is this JD something like a masters in law or something different (I don't > think we have this in Brazil). > > Regards. > Marcos Rodrigues > mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com > > > > Em 12/01/2013, às 22:34, Paul Wick escreveu: > >> Adam, >> >> I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of Law >> in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience with >> accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very fortunate to >> be working part-time doing Social Security Disability appeals, but I >> am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for other options. It >> has also been my experience that there just aren't any jobs out there, >> and those that exist require experience I don't have. >> >> Marcos, >> >> My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, but >> the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the LLM in >> Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our U.S. Legal >> Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil law countries who >> want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) I had a few of these >> students in my classes, and they were really interesting people. >> >> As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An LLM >> costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested I do >> their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal government and >> scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM tuition over the 3 >> years of law school which I think is about the proper cost of a legal >> education. I said that I just didn't think the cost-benefit analysis >> made it worth pursuing. This was followed by total silence on my >> professors’ part. >> >> Just my thoughts. >> >> Best, >> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >> >> >> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>> Hi: >>> >>> I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law. >>> >>> I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the New York >>> Bar >>> Examination after the LLM if everything work out the way I am planning. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Marcos Rodrigues >>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu: >>> >>>> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is what >>>> do >>>> you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an >>>> academic >>>> / teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If so, >>>> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM >>>> program >>>> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an >>>> LLM >>>> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in to >>>> hiring and promotional opportunities. >>>> >>>> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an >>>> undergraduate >>>> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I >>>> graduated >>>> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM program >>>> at >>>> Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and >>>> highly competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley are >>>> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial >>>> administration >>>> careers. Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State >>>> Department sponsored programs. >>>> >>>> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt Hall >>>> I >>>> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability and >>>> access for students. The law school has had previous JD students who >>>> are >>>> blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for >>>> students on campus and in the community at large. >>>> >>>> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings, >>>> but >>>> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, will >>>> you make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit you >>>> throughout your legal career. >>>> >>>> I hope these commens of of some assistance. >>>> >>>> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez >>>> Boalt Hall "79 >>>> >>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>> >>>>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >>>>> >>>>> Enviado via iPhone >>>>> >>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >>>>> escreveu: >>>>> >>>>>> Marco, >>>>>> >>>>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school >>>>>> matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my >>>>>> background as a legal recruiter working externally with large firms >>>>>> prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in >>>>>> downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM program >>>>>> though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a >>>>>> lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for >>>>>> students >>>>>> with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that >>>>>> does >>>>>> not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality and >>>>>> attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law >>>>>> provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal >>>>>> education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure I >>>>>> had >>>>>> all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any >>>>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's >>>>>> experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have had >>>>>> at >>>>>> least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every >>>>>> graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi listers: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> know about good law schools in the US. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law >>>>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation >>>>>>> degree >>>>>>> or LLM? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com > From adam.zimmerman719 at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 05:46:03 2013 From: adam.zimmerman719 at gmail.com (Adam Zimmerman) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 00:46:03 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Firm funding Message-ID: <0D25C6F3-C000-4D39-B9BC-E71E665E563E@gmail.com> As I mentioned in an earlier email I am having an exceedingly challenging time finding legal work at the moment as a relatively recent graduate. While I certainly have reservations about hanging out my own shingle it does seem like the most viable alternative at present. The major obstacle to that, obviously, is the initial start-up cost for things like office space and marketing to drive clients. An SBA loan seems unrealistic given my law school debts. Is anyone aware of any start-up grants specifically targeted towards individuals with visual impairments/blindness or, more generally, people with disabilities? I'd imagine they exist but I'd have no idea where to start looking. Thanks for any guidance. Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. Sent from my iPhone From taiablas at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 06:32:50 2013 From: taiablas at gmail.com (Tai Blas) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 00:32:50 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Firm funding In-Reply-To: <0D25C6F3-C000-4D39-B9BC-E71E665E563E@gmail.com> References: <0D25C6F3-C000-4D39-B9BC-E71E665E563E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901cdf157$cff19fe0$6fd4dfa0$@gmail.com> I am not sure what state you are in, but here in Iowa, Vocational Rehabilitation offers the Iowa Self Employment Program which provides up to $10,000 in financial assistance grants for individuals who can establish a reasonable business plan and an additional $10,000 for technical assistance such as accounting or specialized consulting needs. http://www.planet-of-the-blind.com/ Hopefully your state has something similar. A few resources to check out: http://www.sba.gov/content/people-with-disabilities http://www.disability.gov This site has an "information by state" feature where you may be able to find business start-up help. Most, if not all, states have small business development Centers which should be able to point you toward additional resources. Best of luck. Tai Blas J.D. Candidate, 2014 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Adam Zimmerman Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:46 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Firm funding As I mentioned in an earlier email I am having an exceedingly challenging time finding legal work at the moment as a relatively recent graduate. While I certainly have reservations about hanging out my own shingle it does seem like the most viable alternative at present. The major obstacle to that, obviously, is the initial start-up cost for things like office space and marketing to drive clients. An SBA loan seems unrealistic given my law school debts. Is anyone aware of any start-up grants specifically targeted towards individuals with visual impairments/blindness or, more generally, people with disabilities? I'd imagine they exist but I'd have no idea where to start looking. Thanks for any guidance. Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/taiablas%40gmail.com From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 13 06:50:43 2013 From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 00:50:43 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Firm funding References: <0D25C6F3-C000-4D39-B9BC-E71E665E563E@gmail.com> <001901cdf157$cff19fe0$6fd4dfa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C6C4B8BC04842399D75E5B3FFBD9369@HP8730notebook> hi, > Hopefully your state has something similar. hopefully nothing similar to Missouri if you want to provide computing services to rehabilitation clients as one specific vendor is given 85-90% of all clients. Bryan Schulz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tai Blas" To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Firm funding >I am not sure what state you are in, but here in Iowa, Vocational > Rehabilitation offers the Iowa Self Employment Program which provides up > to > $10,000 in financial assistance grants for individuals who can establish a > reasonable business plan and an additional $10,000 for technical > assistance > such as accounting or specialized consulting needs. > http://www.planet-of-the-blind.com/ > > Hopefully your state has something similar. > > A few resources to check out: > > http://www.sba.gov/content/people-with-disabilities > http://www.disability.gov > This site has an "information by state" feature where you may be able to > find business start-up help. > > Most, if not all, states have small business development Centers which > should be able to point you toward additional resources. > > Best of luck. > > Tai Blas > J.D. Candidate, 2014 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Adam > Zimmerman > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:46 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Firm funding > > As I mentioned in an earlier email I am having an exceedingly challenging > time finding legal work at the moment as a relatively recent graduate. > While > I certainly have reservations about hanging out my own shingle it does > seem > like the most viable alternative at present. The major obstacle to that, > obviously, is the initial start-up cost for things like office space and > marketing to drive clients. An SBA loan seems unrealistic given my law > school debts. Is anyone aware of any start-up grants specifically targeted > towards individuals with visual impairments/blindness or, more generally, > people with disabilities? I'd imagine they exist but I'd have no idea > where > to start looking. > > Thanks for any guidance. > > Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/taiablas%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net From taiablas at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 07:37:07 2013 From: taiablas at gmail.com (Tai Blas) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:37:07 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Firm funding In-Reply-To: <1C6C4B8BC04842399D75E5B3FFBD9369@HP8730notebook> References: <0D25C6F3-C000-4D39-B9BC-E71E665E563E@gmail.com> <001901cdf157$cff19fe0$6fd4dfa0$@gmail.com> <1C6C4B8BC04842399D75E5B3FFBD9369@HP8730notebook> Message-ID: <001d01cdf160$caecbf80$60c63e80$@gmail.com> I meant something similar to the program here in Iowa which does not appear to play favorites and funds viable small business projects equitably according to their needs. I am sorry to hear of your perception that the situation for disabled entrepreneurs in Missouri is not good. Tai -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:51 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Firm funding hi, > Hopefully your state has something similar. hopefully nothing similar to Missouri if you want to provide computing services to rehabilitation clients as one specific vendor is given 85-90% of all clients. Bryan Schulz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tai Blas" To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Firm funding >I am not sure what state you are in, but here in Iowa, Vocational > Rehabilitation offers the Iowa Self Employment Program which provides up > to > $10,000 in financial assistance grants for individuals who can establish a > reasonable business plan and an additional $10,000 for technical > assistance > such as accounting or specialized consulting needs. > http://www.planet-of-the-blind.com/ > > Hopefully your state has something similar. > > A few resources to check out: > > http://www.sba.gov/content/people-with-disabilities > http://www.disability.gov > This site has an "information by state" feature where you may be able to > find business start-up help. > > Most, if not all, states have small business development Centers which > should be able to point you toward additional resources. > > Best of luck. > > Tai Blas > J.D. Candidate, 2014 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Adam > Zimmerman > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:46 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: [blindlaw] Firm funding > > As I mentioned in an earlier email I am having an exceedingly challenging > time finding legal work at the moment as a relatively recent graduate. > While > I certainly have reservations about hanging out my own shingle it does > seem > like the most viable alternative at present. The major obstacle to that, > obviously, is the initial start-up cost for things like office space and > marketing to drive clients. An SBA loan seems unrealistic given my law > school debts. Is anyone aware of any start-up grants specifically targeted > towards individuals with visual impairments/blindness or, more generally, > people with disabilities? I'd imagine they exist but I'd have no idea > where > to start looking. > > Thanks for any guidance. > > Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/taiablas%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.n et _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/taiablas%40gmail.com From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 13 13:41:32 2013 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:41:32 -0200 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks Paul. Things work a little bit different here, the bachelor takes five years to be completed. After finishing the JD, can US students take the bar exam? Regards. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Em 13/01/2013, às 00:50, Paul Wick escreveu: > Marcos, > > No problem, the JD (Juris Doctor, or Doctor of Jurisprudence) is the > first degree granted by U.S. law schools, it takes 3 years full-time > study or 4 years part-time. This degree was simply a re-naming of the > former Bachelor of Laws degree by American law schools in the 1960's > to make the degree seem more prestigious. Historically the JD had been > granted by some schools following a research dissertation (in place of > the LLM.) The highest law degree (i.e. doctoral level) which very few > have is the SJD (Scientiae Juridicae Doctor, or Doctor of Juritical > Science.) > > Hope this helps. > > Paul S. Wick, Esq. > > On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >> Hi Paul: >> >> This LLM in American Law is exactly what I am looking for, I will check >> Golden Gate. >> >> SF is a very interesting city to live for one year, so it is worth checking >> schools there (I think Stanford and UC Berkley are very hard for me to be >> accepted, so Golden Gates or UC Astings might better options). >> >> Let me ask another question that may look like stupid but it is something >> that I really don't know: what is the difference between Law school >> graduation (which I think takes four years in the US and five here in >> Brazil) and this JD program that you and all the schools website talk >> about? >> Is this JD something like a masters in law or something different (I don't >> think we have this in Brazil). >> >> Regards. >> Marcos Rodrigues >> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >> >> >> >> Em 12/01/2013, às 22:34, Paul Wick escreveu: >> >>> Adam, >>> >>> I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of Law >>> in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience with >>> accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very fortunate to >>> be working part-time doing Social Security Disability appeals, but I >>> am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for other options. It >>> has also been my experience that there just aren't any jobs out there, >>> and those that exist require experience I don't have. >>> >>> Marcos, >>> >>> My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, but >>> the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the LLM in >>> Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our U.S. Legal >>> Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil law countries who >>> want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) I had a few of these >>> students in my classes, and they were really interesting people. >>> >>> As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An LLM >>> costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested I do >>> their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal government and >>> scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM tuition over the 3 >>> years of law school which I think is about the proper cost of a legal >>> education. I said that I just didn't think the cost-benefit analysis >>> made it worth pursuing. This was followed by total silence on my >>> professors’ part. >>> >>> Just my thoughts. >>> >>> Best, >>> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >>> >>> >>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>> Hi: >>>> >>>> I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law. >>>> >>>> I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the New York >>>> Bar >>>> Examination after the LLM if everything work out the way I am planning. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu: >>>> >>>>> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is what >>>>> do >>>>> you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an >>>>> academic >>>>> / teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If so, >>>>> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM >>>>> program >>>>> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an >>>>> LLM >>>>> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in to >>>>> hiring and promotional opportunities. >>>>> >>>>> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an >>>>> undergraduate >>>>> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I >>>>> graduated >>>>> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM program >>>>> at >>>>> Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and >>>>> highly competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley are >>>>> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial >>>>> administration >>>>> careers. Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State >>>>> Department sponsored programs. >>>>> >>>>> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt Hall >>>>> I >>>>> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability and >>>>> access for students. The law school has had previous JD students who >>>>> are >>>>> blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for >>>>> students on campus and in the community at large. >>>>> >>>>> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings, >>>>> but >>>>> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, will >>>>> you make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit you >>>>> throughout your legal career. >>>>> >>>>> I hope these commens of of some assistance. >>>>> >>>>> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez >>>>> Boalt Hall "79 >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >>>>>> >>>>>> Enviado via iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Marco, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school >>>>>>> matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my >>>>>>> background as a legal recruiter working externally with large firms >>>>>>> prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in >>>>>>> downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM program >>>>>>> though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a >>>>>>> lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for >>>>>>> students >>>>>>> with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that >>>>>>> does >>>>>>> not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality and >>>>>>> attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law >>>>>>> provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal >>>>>>> education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure I >>>>>>> had >>>>>>> all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any >>>>>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's >>>>>>> experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have had >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every >>>>>>> graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi listers: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> know about good law schools in the US. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law >>>>>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation >>>>>>>> degree >>>>>>>> or LLM? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com > From rumpole at roadrunner.com Sun Jan 13 18:53:01 2013 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:53:01 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Wall Street Journal Article of note Message-ID: <8416A6AE952F4236A0921071F34E2260@mycomputer> In view of past discussions on the list regarding job seekers and frustrations, I thought this Wall Street Journal Article might be of intrest to the list as a whole. *** Beware the Phantom Job Listing Jobs Go Unadvertised as Managers Rely on Their Own Contacts. By LAUREN WEBER and LESLIE KWOH Note: A version of this article appeared January 9, 2013, on page B1 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Beware the Phantom Job Listing. Why do companies post open jobs only after a hire has been identified, or skip posting altogether? The practice is legal and ubiquitous, but frustrating for job-seekers, who don't realize they're applying for phantom positions. John Nottingham says he was planning to hire a new design manager eventually. But when he heard a talented fellow alumnus of his design school was looking for a job, he wasted no time: He created an opening and hired the man right away. Under normal circumstances, Mr. Nottingham, co-president of product design and engineering firm Nottingham Spirk, might have posted the opening on the Cleveland-based company's website or LinkedIn page. But in this case, he says, he couldn't afford to wait. "Someone good was available, and we just grabbed him," Mr. Nottingham says. "Even when you're happy in your job, you should always be making new connections," says executive-career consultant Debra Feldman. It may be tough for outsiders to crack the hidden job market, but job seekers can find ways to get on the inside track. Some strategies: Make coffee and lunch dates. Reach out regularly to managers from other departments for lunch or coffee, even if you're not in the market for a new position, advises executive-career consultant Debra Feldman. When it's time to make a move-or if your department unexpectedly downsizes-you'll already be on their radar. "Even when you're happy in your job, you should always be making new connections," Ms. Feldman says. Put your goals in writing. Duncan Mathison, co-author of "Unlock the Hidden Job Market," recommends creating a list of the jobs that might best utilize your skills, the kinds of companies you'd excel at, and the type of manager you prefer. This "targeted opportunity profile" will help identify the organizations and people that are key to getting a desired job, he says. Get candid with the boss. In line for a promotion? The only sure way to find out is by checking in with your manager, Ms. Feldman says. You could be waiting for the position above you to open up - only to discover that management is eyeing someone else for that spot. Seek out hiring managers. Attend events likely to attract key contacts in your field, such as panel discussions about topical issues and popular happy hours. "A lot of people make the mistake of just showing up at a networking event and meeting with other unemployed people," says Mr. Mathison. With the labor market remaining weak, such back-channel methods are becoming the rule, not the exception, when companies hire. Many open jobs are never advertised at all, or are posted only after a leading candidate-an internal applicant or someone else with an inside track-has been identified. Sometimes, as in Mr. Nottingham's case, a hiring manager creates a new position ahead of schedule to accommodate a favored prospect. While this "hidden" job market frustrates applicants, companies point out that it is perfectly legal to hire without advertising a job or to advertise one almost certain to be filled by an insider. They say internal hires generally perform better than external ones, at least initially, as research has shown. Duncan Mathison, an outplacement executive and co-author of the 2009 book "Unlock the Hidden Job Market," concedes that anything hidden is difficult to measure but, by parsing labor statistics and recruiting surveys, he calculates that around 50% of positions are currently filled on an informal basis. Even though federal labor rules don't require employers to post openings, human-resources departments at many companies require them to be listed on a job board or career site for some period, says Debra Feldman, an executive career consultant based in Greenwich, Conn. Such postings are meant to make hiring fair and transparent, and may help to protect employers from discrimination lawsuits or audits by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. But hiring managers frequently sidestep personnel requirements, forcing HR representatives to step in and "re-educate managers about the reasons for the policies," says Lynn Hutson, director of talent acquisition at Brookdale Senior Living Inc. BKD +2.16%in Brentwood, Tenn. "We tell them we have resources to help them, and we can find them a bigger pool to draw from." Learn More & Interact Have a question for Duncan Mathison about finding unlisted opportunities? Tweet it using #hiddenjobs and look for answers at WSJ.com/AtWork. .At a previous job, Ms. Hutson says she sometimes warned hiring managers that the organization could lose federal grant money if they didn't recruit widely, and added that the established recruitment process occasionally turned up better prospects, especially when a manager's preferred candidate proved to be a bad fit. Not all HR departments are willing to fight that fight, and not all managers want to sift through a pile of strangers' résumés. Nottingham Spirk's Mr. Nottingham says his 40-year-old firm has built up a reliable workforce mainly through word-of-mouth hiring. The company often recruits on the campus of Case Western Reserve University, where its offices are located. "We can go to a professor and say, 'Who's your best student?' " he says. Some HR officers don't mind being bypassed. Tim Sackett, a former staffing director at Applebee's International Inc. who often had hundreds of openings to fill, says he was relieved when hiring managers chose not to involve him in recruiting. The size of the so-called hidden job market fluctuates with the broader economy, according to Mr. Mathison. When the talent market is tight, companies must advertise to fill key positions, making more open jobs public. In a soft economy, however, companies do more "opportunity hiring," creating jobs specifically to lure or keep promising individuals, he says. Using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Mr. Mathison calculated the difference between the number of jobs that employers said they hoped to fill in the following month and the number of employees they actually hired. When a company hired more employees than it officially estimated, he surmised that they were filling unadvertised positions. To that he added another 30% of all jobs filled to account for the number of advertised positions that ended up going to inside candidates. "Managers are still looking for people and keeping track of the best talent," even when hiring is frozen; when jobs do open, companies already have a handy pool of candidates, Mr. Mathison says. Fair or not, the practice irritates many job seekers, who feel shut out of companies and often don't know they are applying for phantom positions. "You never get a fair opportunity to show what you have to offer," says Jo Ann Bullard, an HR specialist who was laid off in April by Orc Software. She says she has since applied for more than 500 jobs and has interviewed for several of them, only to later learn from HR contacts that those companies preferred to promote insiders. It can be nearly impossible to know whether a posted job is real, Ms. Feldman says. She recommends staying current with people who work in a given company: they will be among the first to know when someone is being transferred to another division, or when a firm is building a new team for a product launch. Sometimes, it is obvious when a listing refers to an all-but-filled position. Take, for instance, a recent posting for a head football coach at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, a Division I Big Ten school. "There are probably four or five people in the country who would be considered for that job, and I doubt any one of them will hear about the job from the ad," says Mr. Sackett, now president of HRU Technical Resources, an information-technology staffing agency in Lansing, Mich. The university, which has a policy of posting ads for all openings, admits the ad was "a formality." The eventual hire, former Utah State University head coach Gary Andersen, was recruited by the school's athletic director, says spokeswoman Amy Toburen. From wickps at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 23:12:04 2013 From: wickps at gmail.com (Paul Wick) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:12:04 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: Marcos, Yes, the JD degree is the only law degree U.S. students must have before taking a bar examination. Generally speaking this must be preceded by a bachelor's degree in any subject. unlike most other countries there is not generally a mandatory period of apprenticeship (except I believe in Delaware and Vermont), so upon passing the bar exam and satisfying the particular state that you possess good moral character and making the prescribed oath or affirmation you are entitled to practice law. Best, Paul S. Wick, Esq. On 1/13/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > Thanks Paul. > > Things work a little bit different here, the bachelor takes five years to be > completed. > > After finishing the JD, can US students take the bar exam? > > Regards. > Marcos Rodrigues > mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com > > > > Em 13/01/2013, às 00:50, Paul Wick escreveu: > >> Marcos, >> >> No problem, the JD (Juris Doctor, or Doctor of Jurisprudence) is the >> first degree granted by U.S. law schools, it takes 3 years full-time >> study or 4 years part-time. This degree was simply a re-naming of the >> former Bachelor of Laws degree by American law schools in the 1960's >> to make the degree seem more prestigious. Historically the JD had been >> granted by some schools following a research dissertation (in place of >> the LLM.) The highest law degree (i.e. doctoral level) which very few >> have is the SJD (Scientiae Juridicae Doctor, or Doctor of Juritical >> Science.) >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >> >> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>> Hi Paul: >>> >>> This LLM in American Law is exactly what I am looking for, I will check >>> Golden Gate. >>> >>> SF is a very interesting city to live for one year, so it is worth >>> checking >>> schools there (I think Stanford and UC Berkley are very hard for me to >>> be >>> accepted, so Golden Gates or UC Astings might better options). >>> >>> Let me ask another question that may look like stupid but it is >>> something >>> that I really don't know: what is the difference between Law school >>> graduation (which I think takes four years in the US and five here in >>> Brazil) and this JD program that you and all the schools website talk >>> about? >>> Is this JD something like a masters in law or something different (I >>> don't >>> think we have this in Brazil). >>> >>> Regards. >>> Marcos Rodrigues >>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Em 12/01/2013, às 22:34, Paul Wick escreveu: >>> >>>> Adam, >>>> >>>> I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of Law >>>> in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience with >>>> accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very fortunate to >>>> be working part-time doing Social Security Disability appeals, but I >>>> am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for other options. It >>>> has also been my experience that there just aren't any jobs out there, >>>> and those that exist require experience I don't have. >>>> >>>> Marcos, >>>> >>>> My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, but >>>> the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the LLM in >>>> Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our U.S. Legal >>>> Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil law countries who >>>> want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) I had a few of these >>>> students in my classes, and they were really interesting people. >>>> >>>> As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An LLM >>>> costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested I do >>>> their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal government and >>>> scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM tuition over the 3 >>>> years of law school which I think is about the proper cost of a legal >>>> education. I said that I just didn't think the cost-benefit analysis >>>> made it worth pursuing. This was followed by total silence on my >>>> professors’ part. >>>> >>>> Just my thoughts. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>> Hi: >>>>> >>>>> I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law. >>>>> >>>>> I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the New >>>>> York >>>>> Bar >>>>> Examination after the LLM if everything work out the way I am >>>>> planning. >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu: >>>>> >>>>>> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is >>>>>> what >>>>>> do >>>>>> you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an >>>>>> academic >>>>>> / teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If >>>>>> so, >>>>>> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM >>>>>> program >>>>>> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an >>>>>> LLM >>>>>> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in to >>>>>> hiring and promotional opportunities. >>>>>> >>>>>> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an >>>>>> undergraduate >>>>>> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I >>>>>> graduated >>>>>> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM >>>>>> program >>>>>> at >>>>>> Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and >>>>>> highly competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley >>>>>> are >>>>>> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial >>>>>> administration >>>>>> careers. Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State >>>>>> Department sponsored programs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt >>>>>> Hall >>>>>> I >>>>>> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability >>>>>> and >>>>>> access for students. The law school has had previous JD students >>>>>> who >>>>>> are >>>>>> blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for >>>>>> students on campus and in the community at large. >>>>>> >>>>>> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings, >>>>>> but >>>>>> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, >>>>>> will >>>>>> you make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit >>>>>> you >>>>>> throughout your legal career. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope these commens of of some assistance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez >>>>>> Boalt Hall "79 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marco, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school >>>>>>>> matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my >>>>>>>> background as a legal recruiter working externally with large firms >>>>>>>> prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in >>>>>>>> downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM >>>>>>>> program >>>>>>>> though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for >>>>>>>> students >>>>>>>> with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that >>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>> not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law >>>>>>>> provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal >>>>>>>> education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any >>>>>>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's >>>>>>>> experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every >>>>>>>> graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi listers: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> know about good law schools in the US. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what >>>>>>>>> law >>>>>>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation >>>>>>>>> degree >>>>>>>>> or LLM? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com > From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 23:49:09 2013 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:49:09 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: Does a non-US law graduate have to do an LLM in order to sit the New York Bar? On 1/13/13, Paul Wick wrote: > Marcos, > > Yes, the JD degree is the only law degree U.S. students must have > before taking a bar examination. Generally speaking this must be > preceded by a bachelor's degree in any subject. unlike most other > countries there is not generally a mandatory period of apprenticeship > (except I believe in Delaware and Vermont), so upon passing the bar > exam and satisfying the particular state that you possess good moral > character and making the prescribed oath or affirmation you are > entitled to practice law. > > Best, > > Paul S. Wick, Esq. > > On 1/13/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >> Thanks Paul. >> >> Things work a little bit different here, the bachelor takes five years to >> be >> completed. >> >> After finishing the JD, can US students take the bar exam? >> >> Regards. >> Marcos Rodrigues >> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >> >> >> >> Em 13/01/2013, às 00:50, Paul Wick escreveu: >> >>> Marcos, >>> >>> No problem, the JD (Juris Doctor, or Doctor of Jurisprudence) is the >>> first degree granted by U.S. law schools, it takes 3 years full-time >>> study or 4 years part-time. This degree was simply a re-naming of the >>> former Bachelor of Laws degree by American law schools in the 1960's >>> to make the degree seem more prestigious. Historically the JD had been >>> granted by some schools following a research dissertation (in place of >>> the LLM.) The highest law degree (i.e. doctoral level) which very few >>> have is the SJD (Scientiae Juridicae Doctor, or Doctor of Juritical >>> Science.) >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >>> >>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>> Hi Paul: >>>> >>>> This LLM in American Law is exactly what I am looking for, I will check >>>> Golden Gate. >>>> >>>> SF is a very interesting city to live for one year, so it is worth >>>> checking >>>> schools there (I think Stanford and UC Berkley are very hard for me to >>>> be >>>> accepted, so Golden Gates or UC Astings might better options). >>>> >>>> Let me ask another question that may look like stupid but it is >>>> something >>>> that I really don't know: what is the difference between Law school >>>> graduation (which I think takes four years in the US and five here in >>>> Brazil) and this JD program that you and all the schools website talk >>>> about? >>>> Is this JD something like a masters in law or something different (I >>>> don't >>>> think we have this in Brazil). >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 22:34, Paul Wick escreveu: >>>> >>>>> Adam, >>>>> >>>>> I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of Law >>>>> in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience with >>>>> accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very fortunate to >>>>> be working part-time doing Social Security Disability appeals, but I >>>>> am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for other options. It >>>>> has also been my experience that there just aren't any jobs out there, >>>>> and those that exist require experience I don't have. >>>>> >>>>> Marcos, >>>>> >>>>> My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, but >>>>> the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the LLM in >>>>> Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our U.S. Legal >>>>> Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil law countries who >>>>> want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) I had a few of these >>>>> students in my classes, and they were really interesting people. >>>>> >>>>> As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An LLM >>>>> costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested I do >>>>> their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal government and >>>>> scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM tuition over the 3 >>>>> years of law school which I think is about the proper cost of a legal >>>>> education. I said that I just didn't think the cost-benefit analysis >>>>> made it worth pursuing. This was followed by total silence on my >>>>> professors’ part. >>>>> >>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>>> Hi: >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the New >>>>>> York >>>>>> Bar >>>>>> Examination after the LLM if everything work out the way I am >>>>>> planning. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an >>>>>>> academic >>>>>>> / teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If >>>>>>> so, >>>>>>> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM >>>>>>> program >>>>>>> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an >>>>>>> LLM >>>>>>> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> hiring and promotional opportunities. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an >>>>>>> undergraduate >>>>>>> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I >>>>>>> graduated >>>>>>> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM >>>>>>> program >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> highly competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial >>>>>>> administration >>>>>>> careers. Several LLM students are on foregin government or US >>>>>>> State >>>>>>> Department sponsored programs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt >>>>>>> Hall >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> access for students. The law school has had previous JD students >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for >>>>>>> students on campus and in the community at large. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course >>>>>>> offerings, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> you make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> throughout your legal career. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope these commens of of some assistance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez >>>>>>> Boalt Hall "79 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marco, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school >>>>>>>>> matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> background as a legal recruiter working externally with large >>>>>>>>> firms >>>>>>>>> prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in >>>>>>>>> downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM >>>>>>>>> program >>>>>>>>> though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for >>>>>>>>> students >>>>>>>>> with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that >>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>> not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law >>>>>>>>> provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal >>>>>>>>> education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any >>>>>>>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's >>>>>>>>> experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>> least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every >>>>>>>>> graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi listers: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> know about good law schools in the US. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what >>>>>>>>>> law >>>>>>>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation >>>>>>>>>> degree >>>>>>>>>> or LLM? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From taiablas at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 23:59:28 2013 From: taiablas at gmail.com (Tai Blas) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:59:28 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00a401cdf1ea$06468aa0$12d39fe0$@gmail.com> Regarding this question, See the rules for New York bar eligibility at: http://www.nybarexam.org/Eligible/Eligibility.htm#F Relevant sections pasted below, but see Rules of the Court of Appeals Section 520.6 at: http://www.nybarexam.org/Rules/Rules.htm#520.6 FOREIGN LAW SCHOOL STUDY Section 520.6 of the Rules of the Court of Appeals for the Admission of Attorneys and Counselors at Law contains the eligibility requirements for applicants who wish to qualify for the New York State bar examination based on the study of law in a foreign country. Compliance with the requirements of the Rules of the Court of Appeals must be proved to the satisfaction of the Board before an applicant may be permitted to sit for the bar examination. For more detailed information concerning the eligibility requirements for foreign educated attorneys, individuals should carefully review Rule 520.6 and the information located in the Foreign Legal Education section of this website Tai -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:49 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US Does a non-US law graduate have to do an LLM in order to sit the New York Bar? On 1/13/13, Paul Wick wrote: > Marcos, > > Yes, the JD degree is the only law degree U.S. students must have > before taking a bar examination. Generally speaking this must be > preceded by a bachelor's degree in any subject. unlike most other > countries there is not generally a mandatory period of apprenticeship > (except I believe in Delaware and Vermont), so upon passing the bar > exam and satisfying the particular state that you possess good moral > character and making the prescribed oath or affirmation you are > entitled to practice law. > > Best, > > Paul S. Wick, Esq. > > On 1/13/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >> Thanks Paul. >> >> Things work a little bit different here, the bachelor takes five >> years to be completed. >> >> After finishing the JD, can US students take the bar exam? >> >> Regards. >> Marcos Rodrigues >> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >> >> >> >> Em 13/01/2013, às 00:50, Paul Wick escreveu: >> >>> Marcos, >>> >>> No problem, the JD (Juris Doctor, or Doctor of Jurisprudence) is the >>> first degree granted by U.S. law schools, it takes 3 years full-time >>> study or 4 years part-time. This degree was simply a re-naming of >>> the former Bachelor of Laws degree by American law schools in the >>> 1960's to make the degree seem more prestigious. Historically the JD >>> had been granted by some schools following a research dissertation >>> (in place of the LLM.) The highest law degree (i.e. doctoral level) >>> which very few have is the SJD (Scientiae Juridicae Doctor, or >>> Doctor of Juritical >>> Science.) >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >>> >>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>> Hi Paul: >>>> >>>> This LLM in American Law is exactly what I am looking for, I will >>>> check Golden Gate. >>>> >>>> SF is a very interesting city to live for one year, so it is worth >>>> checking schools there (I think Stanford and UC Berkley are very >>>> hard for me to be accepted, so Golden Gates or UC Astings might >>>> better options). >>>> >>>> Let me ask another question that may look like stupid but it is >>>> something that I really don't know: what is the difference between >>>> Law school graduation (which I think takes four years in the US and >>>> five here in >>>> Brazil) and this JD program that you and all the schools website >>>> talk about? >>>> Is this JD something like a masters in law or something different >>>> (I don't think we have this in Brazil). >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 22:34, Paul Wick escreveu: >>>> >>>>> Adam, >>>>> >>>>> I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of >>>>> Law in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience >>>>> with accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very >>>>> fortunate to be working part-time doing Social Security Disability >>>>> appeals, but I am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for >>>>> other options. It has also been my experience that there just >>>>> aren't any jobs out there, and those that exist require experience I don't have. >>>>> >>>>> Marcos, >>>>> >>>>> My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, >>>>> but the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the >>>>> LLM in Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our >>>>> U.S. Legal Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil >>>>> law countries who want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) >>>>> I had a few of these students in my classes, and they were really interesting people. >>>>> >>>>> As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An >>>>> LLM costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested >>>>> I do their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal >>>>> government and scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM >>>>> tuition over the 3 years of law school which I think is about the >>>>> proper cost of a legal education. I said that I just didn't think >>>>> the cost-benefit analysis made it worth pursuing. This was >>>>> followed by total silence on my professors’ part. >>>>> >>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>>> Hi: >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the >>>>>> New York Bar Examination after the LLM if everything work out the >>>>>> way I am planning. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question >>>>>>> is what do >>>>>>> you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an >>>>>>> academic >>>>>>> / teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If >>>>>>> so, >>>>>>> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's >>>>>>> LLM program >>>>>>> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an >>>>>>> LLM >>>>>>> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor >>>>>>> in to hiring and promotional opportunities. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an >>>>>>> undergraduate and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. >>>>>>> Although I graduated many years ago did not purse an LLM I am >>>>>>> familiar with the LLM program at Berkeley Law School. The LLM >>>>>>> program at Berkeley is world renown and >>>>>>> highly competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial >>>>>>> administration >>>>>>> careers. Several LLM students are on foregin government or US >>>>>>> State >>>>>>> Department sponsored programs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from >>>>>>> Boalt Hall I remain in close contact with the University on >>>>>>> issues of disability and >>>>>>> access for students. The law school has had previous JD students >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for >>>>>>> students on campus and in the community at large. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course >>>>>>> offerings, but access to professors and the make up of the LLM >>>>>>> class. Basically, will you make the kind of contacts in an LLM >>>>>>> program that will benefit you throughout your legal career. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope these commens of of some assistance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez >>>>>>> Boalt Hall "79 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marco, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law >>>>>>>>> school matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that >>>>>>>>> statement on my background as a legal recruiter working >>>>>>>>> externally with large firms prior to law school. I attended >>>>>>>>> Suffolk University Law School in downtown Boston which has a >>>>>>>>> highly regarded international LLM program though the law >>>>>>>>> school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a lousy >>>>>>>>> undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for >>>>>>>>> students with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal >>>>>>>>> arts school that does not have a law school and I was >>>>>>>>> thoroughly amazed at the quality and attentiveness of the >>>>>>>>> Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law provided. I could >>>>>>>>> not have asked for better partners in my legal education. They >>>>>>>>> went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure I had all >>>>>>>>> my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any >>>>>>>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk >>>>>>>>> Law's experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say >>>>>>>>> they have had at least one blind or visually impaired student >>>>>>>>> matriculated in every graduating class from 2010 to the >>>>>>>>> present 1L class of 2015. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi listers: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and >>>>>>>>>> would like to know about good law schools in the US. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in >>>>>>>>>> what law school did you take your law course degree and post >>>>>>>>>> graduation degree or LLM? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>>>>> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81 >>>>> %40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmai >>>> l.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%4 >>> 0hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail. >> com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%4 > 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/taiablas%40gmail.com From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 14 00:43:04 2013 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 22:43:04 -0200 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks Paul, you learn something new everyday. Did you sit for the California bar exam? Regards. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Em 13/01/2013, às 21:12, Paul Wick escreveu: > Marcos, > > Yes, the JD degree is the only law degree U.S. students must have > before taking a bar examination. Generally speaking this must be > preceded by a bachelor's degree in any subject. unlike most other > countries there is not generally a mandatory period of apprenticeship > (except I believe in Delaware and Vermont), so upon passing the bar > exam and satisfying the particular state that you possess good moral > character and making the prescribed oath or affirmation you are > entitled to practice law. > > Best, > > Paul S. Wick, Esq. > > On 1/13/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >> Thanks Paul. >> >> Things work a little bit different here, the bachelor takes five years to be >> completed. >> >> After finishing the JD, can US students take the bar exam? >> >> Regards. >> Marcos Rodrigues >> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >> >> >> >> Em 13/01/2013, às 00:50, Paul Wick escreveu: >> >>> Marcos, >>> >>> No problem, the JD (Juris Doctor, or Doctor of Jurisprudence) is the >>> first degree granted by U.S. law schools, it takes 3 years full-time >>> study or 4 years part-time. This degree was simply a re-naming of the >>> former Bachelor of Laws degree by American law schools in the 1960's >>> to make the degree seem more prestigious. Historically the JD had been >>> granted by some schools following a research dissertation (in place of >>> the LLM.) The highest law degree (i.e. doctoral level) which very few >>> have is the SJD (Scientiae Juridicae Doctor, or Doctor of Juritical >>> Science.) >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >>> >>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>> Hi Paul: >>>> >>>> This LLM in American Law is exactly what I am looking for, I will check >>>> Golden Gate. >>>> >>>> SF is a very interesting city to live for one year, so it is worth >>>> checking >>>> schools there (I think Stanford and UC Berkley are very hard for me to >>>> be >>>> accepted, so Golden Gates or UC Astings might better options). >>>> >>>> Let me ask another question that may look like stupid but it is >>>> something >>>> that I really don't know: what is the difference between Law school >>>> graduation (which I think takes four years in the US and five here in >>>> Brazil) and this JD program that you and all the schools website talk >>>> about? >>>> Is this JD something like a masters in law or something different (I >>>> don't >>>> think we have this in Brazil). >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 22:34, Paul Wick escreveu: >>>> >>>>> Adam, >>>>> >>>>> I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of Law >>>>> in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience with >>>>> accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very fortunate to >>>>> be working part-time doing Social Security Disability appeals, but I >>>>> am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for other options. It >>>>> has also been my experience that there just aren't any jobs out there, >>>>> and those that exist require experience I don't have. >>>>> >>>>> Marcos, >>>>> >>>>> My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, but >>>>> the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the LLM in >>>>> Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our U.S. Legal >>>>> Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil law countries who >>>>> want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) I had a few of these >>>>> students in my classes, and they were really interesting people. >>>>> >>>>> As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An LLM >>>>> costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested I do >>>>> their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal government and >>>>> scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM tuition over the 3 >>>>> years of law school which I think is about the proper cost of a legal >>>>> education. I said that I just didn't think the cost-benefit analysis >>>>> made it worth pursuing. This was followed by total silence on my >>>>> professors’ part. >>>>> >>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>>> Hi: >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the New >>>>>> York >>>>>> Bar >>>>>> Examination after the LLM if everything work out the way I am >>>>>> planning. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an >>>>>>> academic >>>>>>> / teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If >>>>>>> so, >>>>>>> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM >>>>>>> program >>>>>>> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want an >>>>>>> LLM >>>>>>> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in to >>>>>>> hiring and promotional opportunities. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an >>>>>>> undergraduate >>>>>>> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I >>>>>>> graduated >>>>>>> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM >>>>>>> program >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and >>>>>>> highly competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial >>>>>>> administration >>>>>>> careers. Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State >>>>>>> Department sponsored programs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt >>>>>>> Hall >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> access for students. The law school has had previous JD students >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for >>>>>>> students on campus and in the community at large. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> you make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> throughout your legal career. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope these commens of of some assistance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez >>>>>>> Boalt Hall "79 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marco, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school >>>>>>>>> matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my >>>>>>>>> background as a legal recruiter working externally with large firms >>>>>>>>> prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in >>>>>>>>> downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM >>>>>>>>> program >>>>>>>>> though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for >>>>>>>>> students >>>>>>>>> with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that >>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>> not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law >>>>>>>>> provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal >>>>>>>>> education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any >>>>>>>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's >>>>>>>>> experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>> least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every >>>>>>>>> graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi listers: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> know about good law schools in the US. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what >>>>>>>>>> law >>>>>>>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation >>>>>>>>>> degree >>>>>>>>>> or LLM? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adam.zimmerman719%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> blindlaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> blindlaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com > From wickps at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 01:19:45 2013 From: wickps at gmail.com (Paul Wick) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:19:45 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US In-Reply-To: References: <3819476E-45A5-41C4-B69A-5BA92CC52AA2@comcast.net> Message-ID: Marcos, No problem, Yes, I sat the California bar.. Best, Paul On 1/13/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: > Thanks Paul, you learn something new everyday. > > Did you sit for the California bar exam? > > Regards. > Marcos Rodrigues > mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com > > > > Em 13/01/2013, às 21:12, Paul Wick escreveu: > >> Marcos, >> >> Yes, the JD degree is the only law degree U.S. students must have >> before taking a bar examination. Generally speaking this must be >> preceded by a bachelor's degree in any subject. unlike most other >> countries there is not generally a mandatory period of apprenticeship >> (except I believe in Delaware and Vermont), so upon passing the bar >> exam and satisfying the particular state that you possess good moral >> character and making the prescribed oath or affirmation you are >> entitled to practice law. >> >> Best, >> >> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >> >> On 1/13/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>> Thanks Paul. >>> >>> Things work a little bit different here, the bachelor takes five years to >>> be >>> completed. >>> >>> After finishing the JD, can US students take the bar exam? >>> >>> Regards. >>> Marcos Rodrigues >>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Em 13/01/2013, às 00:50, Paul Wick escreveu: >>> >>>> Marcos, >>>> >>>> No problem, the JD (Juris Doctor, or Doctor of Jurisprudence) is the >>>> first degree granted by U.S. law schools, it takes 3 years full-time >>>> study or 4 years part-time. This degree was simply a re-naming of the >>>> former Bachelor of Laws degree by American law schools in the 1960's >>>> to make the degree seem more prestigious. Historically the JD had been >>>> granted by some schools following a research dissertation (in place of >>>> the LLM.) The highest law degree (i.e. doctoral level) which very few >>>> have is the SJD (Scientiae Juridicae Doctor, or Doctor of Juritical >>>> Science.) >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >>>> >>>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>> Hi Paul: >>>>> >>>>> This LLM in American Law is exactly what I am looking for, I will >>>>> check >>>>> Golden Gate. >>>>> >>>>> SF is a very interesting city to live for one year, so it is worth >>>>> checking >>>>> schools there (I think Stanford and UC Berkley are very hard for me to >>>>> be >>>>> accepted, so Golden Gates or UC Astings might better options). >>>>> >>>>> Let me ask another question that may look like stupid but it is >>>>> something >>>>> that I really don't know: what is the difference between Law school >>>>> graduation (which I think takes four years in the US and five here in >>>>> Brazil) and this JD program that you and all the schools website talk >>>>> about? >>>>> Is this JD something like a masters in law or something different (I >>>>> don't >>>>> think we have this in Brazil). >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 22:34, Paul Wick escreveu: >>>>> >>>>>> Adam, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of >>>>>> Law >>>>>> in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience with >>>>>> accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very fortunate to >>>>>> be working part-time doing Social Security Disability appeals, but I >>>>>> am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for other options. It >>>>>> has also been my experience that there just aren't any jobs out >>>>>> there, >>>>>> and those that exist require experience I don't have. >>>>>> >>>>>> Marcos, >>>>>> >>>>>> My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, but >>>>>> the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the LLM in >>>>>> Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our U.S. Legal >>>>>> Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil law countries >>>>>> who >>>>>> want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) I had a few of these >>>>>> students in my classes, and they were really interesting people. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An LLM >>>>>> costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested I do >>>>>> their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal government and >>>>>> scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM tuition over the 3 >>>>>> years of law school which I think is about the proper cost of a legal >>>>>> education. I said that I just didn't think the cost-benefit analysis >>>>>> made it worth pursuing. This was followed by total silence on my >>>>>> professors’ part. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Paul S. Wick, Esq. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>>>> Hi: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the New >>>>>>> York >>>>>>> Bar >>>>>>> Examination after the LLM if everything work out the way I am >>>>>>> planning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> you envision doing with a LLM degree? Are you interested in an >>>>>>>> academic >>>>>>>> / teaching career? If so, in the United States or elsewhere? If >>>>>>>> so, >>>>>>>> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM >>>>>>>> program >>>>>>>> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process. If you want >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> LLM >>>>>>>> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> hiring and promotional opportunities. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an >>>>>>>> undergraduate >>>>>>>> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree. Although I >>>>>>>> graduated >>>>>>>> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM >>>>>>>> program >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> Berkeley Law School. The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> highly competitive. Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial >>>>>>>> administration >>>>>>>> careers. Several LLM students are on foregin government or US >>>>>>>> State >>>>>>>> Department sponsored programs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt >>>>>>>> Hall >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> access for students. The law school has had previous JD students >>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> blind and visually impaired. There are great support systems for >>>>>>>> students on campus and in the community at large. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course >>>>>>>> offerings, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class. Basically, >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> you make the kind of contacts in an LLM program that will benefit >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> throughout your legal career. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope these commens of of some assistance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez >>>>>>>> Boalt Hall "79 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Marco, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school >>>>>>>>>> matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> background as a legal recruiter working externally with large >>>>>>>>>> firms >>>>>>>>>> prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in >>>>>>>>>> downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM >>>>>>>>>> program >>>>>>>>>> though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for >>>>>>>>>> students >>>>>>>>>> with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>> not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law >>>>>>>>>> provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal >>>>>>>>>> education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to >>>>>>>>>> ensure >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's >>>>>>>>>> experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in >>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>> graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope that's helpful. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi listers: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> know about good law schools in the US. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what >>>>>>>>>>> law >>>>>>>>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation >>>>>>>>>>> degree >>>>>>>>>>> or LLM? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues >>>>>>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>> 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2013 20:43:52 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Wall Street Journal Article of note In-Reply-To: <8416A6AE952F4236A0921071F34E2260@mycomputer> References: <8416A6AE952F4236A0921071F34E2260@mycomputer> Message-ID: <006201cdf200$fd64dce0$f82e96a0$@sbcglobal.net> Ross: Thanks for the article. I would like to add that private firms are not alone in this practice. I know of situations at city, county and state levels of government wherein positions are newly created by the government, and the eventual hire was determined prior to the particular government bodyeven voting to create same. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ross Doerr Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:53 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Wall Street Journal Article of note In view of past discussions on the list regarding job seekers and frustrations, I thought this Wall Street Journal Article might be of intrest to the list as a whole. *** Beware the Phantom Job Listing Jobs Go Unadvertised as Managers Rely on Their Own Contacts. By LAUREN WEBER and LESLIE KWOH Note: A version of this article appeared January 9, 2013, on page B1 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Beware the Phantom Job Listing. Why do companies post open jobs only after a hire has been identified, or skip posting altogether? The practice is legal and ubiquitous, but frustrating for job-seekers, who don't realize they're applying for phantom positions. John Nottingham says he was planning to hire a new design manager eventually. But when he heard a talented fellow alumnus of his design school was looking for a job, he wasted no time: He created an opening and hired the man right away. Under normal circumstances, Mr. Nottingham, co-president of product design and engineering firm Nottingham Spirk, might have posted the opening on the Cleveland-based company's website or LinkedIn page. But in this case, he says, he couldn't afford to wait. "Someone good was available, and we just grabbed him," Mr. Nottingham says. "Even when you're happy in your job, you should always be making new connections," says executive-career consultant Debra Feldman. It may be tough for outsiders to crack the hidden job market, but job seekers can find ways to get on the inside track. Some strategies: Make coffee and lunch dates. Reach out regularly to managers from other departments for lunch or coffee, even if you're not in the market for a new position, advises executive-career consultant Debra Feldman. When it's time to make a move-or if your department unexpectedly downsizes-you'll already be on their radar. "Even when you're happy in your job, you should always be making new connections," Ms. Feldman says. Put your goals in writing. Duncan Mathison, co-author of "Unlock the Hidden Job Market," recommends creating a list of the jobs that might best utilize your skills, the kinds of companies you'd excel at, and the type of manager you prefer. This "targeted opportunity profile" will help identify the organizations and people that are key to getting a desired job, he says. Get candid with the boss. In line for a promotion? The only sure way to find out is by checking in with your manager, Ms. Feldman says. You could be waiting for the position above you to open up - only to discover that management is eyeing someone else for that spot. Seek out hiring managers. Attend events likely to attract key contacts in your field, such as panel discussions about topical issues and popular happy hours. "A lot of people make the mistake of just showing up at a networking event and meeting with other unemployed people," says Mr. Mathison. With the labor market remaining weak, such back-channel methods are becoming the rule, not the exception, when companies hire. Many open jobs are never advertised at all, or are posted only after a leading candidate-an internal applicant or someone else with an inside track-has been identified. Sometimes, as in Mr. Nottingham's case, a hiring manager creates a new position ahead of schedule to accommodate a favored prospect. While this "hidden" job market frustrates applicants, companies point out that it is perfectly legal to hire without advertising a job or to advertise one almost certain to be filled by an insider. They say internal hires generally perform better than external ones, at least initially, as research has shown. Duncan Mathison, an outplacement executive and co-author of the 2009 book "Unlock the Hidden Job Market," concedes that anything hidden is difficult to measure but, by parsing labor statistics and recruiting surveys, he calculates that around 50% of positions are currently filled on an informal basis. Even though federal labor rules don't require employers to post openings, human-resources departments at many companies require them to be listed on a job board or career site for some period, says Debra Feldman, an executive career consultant based in Greenwich, Conn. Such postings are meant to make hiring fair and transparent, and may help to protect employers from discrimination lawsuits or audits by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. But hiring managers frequently sidestep personnel requirements, forcing HR representatives to step in and "re-educate managers about the reasons for the policies," says Lynn Hutson, director of talent acquisition at Brookdale Senior Living Inc. BKD +2.16%in Brentwood, Tenn. "We tell them we have resources to help them, and we can find them a bigger pool to draw from." Learn More & Interact Have a question for Duncan Mathison about finding unlisted opportunities? Tweet it using #hiddenjobs and look for answers at WSJ.com/AtWork. .At a previous job, Ms. Hutson says she sometimes warned hiring managers that the organization could lose federal grant money if they didn't recruit widely, and added that the established recruitment process occasionally turned up better prospects, especially when a manager's preferred candidate proved to be a bad fit. Not all HR departments are willing to fight that fight, and not all managers want to sift through a pile of strangers' résumés. Nottingham Spirk's Mr. Nottingham says his 40-year-old firm has built up a reliable workforce mainly through word-of-mouth hiring. The company often recruits on the campus of Case Western Reserve University, where its offices are located. "We can go to a professor and say, 'Who's your best student?' " he says. Some HR officers don't mind being bypassed. Tim Sackett, a former staffing director at Applebee's International Inc. who often had hundreds of openings to fill, says he was relieved when hiring managers chose not to involve him in recruiting. The size of the so-called hidden job market fluctuates with the broader economy, according to Mr. Mathison. When the talent market is tight, companies must advertise to fill key positions, making more open jobs public. In a soft economy, however, companies do more "opportunity hiring," creating jobs specifically to lure or keep promising individuals, he says. Using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Mr. Mathison calculated the difference between the number of jobs that employers said they hoped to fill in the following month and the number of employees they actually hired. When a company hired more employees than it officially estimated, he surmised that they were filling unadvertised positions. To that he added another 30% of all jobs filled to account for the number of advertised positions that ended up going to inside candidates. "Managers are still looking for people and keeping track of the best talent," even when hiring is frozen; when jobs do open, companies already have a handy pool of candidates, Mr. Mathison says. Fair or not, the practice irritates many job seekers, who feel shut out of companies and often don't know they are applying for phantom positions. "You never get a fair opportunity to show what you have to offer," says Jo Ann Bullard, an HR specialist who was laid off in April by Orc Software. She says she has since applied for more than 500 jobs and has interviewed for several of them, only to later learn from HR contacts that those companies preferred to promote insiders. It can be nearly impossible to know whether a posted job is real, Ms. Feldman says. She recommends staying current with people who work in a given company: they will be among the first to know when someone is being transferred to another division, or when a firm is building a new team for a product launch. Sometimes, it is obvious when a listing refers to an all-but-filled position. Take, for instance, a recent posting for a head football coach at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, a Division I Big Ten school. "There are probably four or five people in the country who would be considered for that job, and I doubt any one of them will hear about the job from the ad," says Mr. Sackett, now president of HRU Technical Resources, an information-technology staffing agency in Lansing, Mich. The university, which has a policy of posting ads for all openings, admits the ad was "a formality." The eventual hire, former Utah State University head coach Gary Andersen, was recruited by the school's athletic director, says spokeswoman Amy Toburen. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net From rumpole at roadrunner.com Mon Jan 14 12:33:08 2013 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:33:08 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Wall Street Journal Article of note References: <8416A6AE952F4236A0921071F34E2260@mycomputer> <006201cdf200$fd64dce0$f82e96a0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I know what you mean Dan. Here in new england the slang term for the practice is "bag job". I thought the article was interesting because I didn't think the practice would ever be reported in a publication as high profile as the WSJ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel McBride" To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Wall Street Journal Article of note Ross: Thanks for the article. I would like to add that private firms are not alone in this practice. I know of situations at city, county and state levels of government wherein positions are newly created by the government, and the eventual hire was determined prior to the particular government bodyeven voting to create same. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ross Doerr Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:53 PM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Wall Street Journal Article of note In view of past discussions on the list regarding job seekers and frustrations, I thought this Wall Street Journal Article might be of intrest to the list as a whole. *** Beware the Phantom Job Listing Jobs Go Unadvertised as Managers Rely on Their Own Contacts. By LAUREN WEBER and LESLIE KWOH Note: A version of this article appeared January 9, 2013, on page B1 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Beware the Phantom Job Listing. Why do companies post open jobs only after a hire has been identified, or skip posting altogether? The practice is legal and ubiquitous, but frustrating for job-seekers, who don't realize they're applying for phantom positions. John Nottingham says he was planning to hire a new design manager eventually. But when he heard a talented fellow alumnus of his design school was looking for a job, he wasted no time: He created an opening and hired the man right away. Under normal circumstances, Mr. Nottingham, co-president of product design and engineering firm Nottingham Spirk, might have posted the opening on the Cleveland-based company's website or LinkedIn page. But in this case, he says, he couldn't afford to wait. "Someone good was available, and we just grabbed him," Mr. Nottingham says. "Even when you're happy in your job, you should always be making new connections," says executive-career consultant Debra Feldman. It may be tough for outsiders to crack the hidden job market, but job seekers can find ways to get on the inside track. Some strategies: Make coffee and lunch dates. Reach out regularly to managers from other departments for lunch or coffee, even if you're not in the market for a new position, advises executive-career consultant Debra Feldman. When it's time to make a move-or if your department unexpectedly downsizes-you'll already be on their radar. "Even when you're happy in your job, you should always be making new connections," Ms. Feldman says. Put your goals in writing. Duncan Mathison, co-author of "Unlock the Hidden Job Market," recommends creating a list of the jobs that might best utilize your skills, the kinds of companies you'd excel at, and the type of manager you prefer. This "targeted opportunity profile" will help identify the organizations and people that are key to getting a desired job, he says. Get candid with the boss. In line for a promotion? The only sure way to find out is by checking in with your manager, Ms. Feldman says. You could be waiting for the position above you to open up - only to discover that management is eyeing someone else for that spot. Seek out hiring managers. Attend events likely to attract key contacts in your field, such as panel discussions about topical issues and popular happy hours. "A lot of people make the mistake of just showing up at a networking event and meeting with other unemployed people," says Mr. Mathison. With the labor market remaining weak, such back-channel methods are becoming the rule, not the exception, when companies hire. Many open jobs are never advertised at all, or are posted only after a leading candidate-an internal applicant or someone else with an inside track-has been identified. Sometimes, as in Mr. Nottingham's case, a hiring manager creates a new position ahead of schedule to accommodate a favored prospect. While this "hidden" job market frustrates applicants, companies point out that it is perfectly legal to hire without advertising a job or to advertise one almost certain to be filled by an insider. They say internal hires generally perform better than external ones, at least initially, as research has shown. Duncan Mathison, an outplacement executive and co-author of the 2009 book "Unlock the Hidden Job Market," concedes that anything hidden is difficult to measure but, by parsing labor statistics and recruiting surveys, he calculates that around 50% of positions are currently filled on an informal basis. Even though federal labor rules don't require employers to post openings, human-resources departments at many companies require them to be listed on a job board or career site for some period, says Debra Feldman, an executive career consultant based in Greenwich, Conn. Such postings are meant to make hiring fair and transparent, and may help to protect employers from discrimination lawsuits or audits by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. But hiring managers frequently sidestep personnel requirements, forcing HR representatives to step in and "re-educate managers about the reasons for the policies," says Lynn Hutson, director of talent acquisition at Brookdale Senior Living Inc. BKD +2.16%in Brentwood, Tenn. "We tell them we have resources to help them, and we can find them a bigger pool to draw from." Learn More & Interact Have a question for Duncan Mathison about finding unlisted opportunities? Tweet it using #hiddenjobs and look for answers at WSJ.com/AtWork. .At a previous job, Ms. Hutson says she sometimes warned hiring managers that the organization could lose federal grant money if they didn't recruit widely, and added that the established recruitment process occasionally turned up better prospects, especially when a manager's preferred candidate proved to be a bad fit. Not all HR departments are willing to fight that fight, and not all managers want to sift through a pile of strangers' résumés. Nottingham Spirk's Mr. Nottingham says his 40-year-old firm has built up a reliable workforce mainly through word-of-mouth hiring. The company often recruits on the campus of Case Western Reserve University, where its offices are located. "We can go to a professor and say, 'Who's your best student?' " he says. Some HR officers don't mind being bypassed. Tim Sackett, a former staffing director at Applebee's International Inc. who often had hundreds of openings to fill, says he was relieved when hiring managers chose not to involve him in recruiting. The size of the so-called hidden job market fluctuates with the broader economy, according to Mr. Mathison. When the talent market is tight, companies must advertise to fill key positions, making more open jobs public. In a soft economy, however, companies do more "opportunity hiring," creating jobs specifically to lure or keep promising individuals, he says. Using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Mr. Mathison calculated the difference between the number of jobs that employers said they hoped to fill in the following month and the number of employees they actually hired. When a company hired more employees than it officially estimated, he surmised that they were filling unadvertised positions. To that he added another 30% of all jobs filled to account for the number of advertised positions that ended up going to inside candidates. "Managers are still looking for people and keeping track of the best talent," even when hiring is frozen; when jobs do open, companies already have a handy pool of candidates, Mr. Mathison says. Fair or not, the practice irritates many job seekers, who feel shut out of companies and often don't know they are applying for phantom positions. "You never get a fair opportunity to show what you have to offer," says Jo Ann Bullard, an HR specialist who was laid off in April by Orc Software. She says she has since applied for more than 500 jobs and has interviewed for several of them, only to later learn from HR contacts that those companies preferred to promote insiders. It can be nearly impossible to know whether a posted job is real, Ms. Feldman says. She recommends staying current with people who work in a given company: they will be among the first to know when someone is being transferred to another division, or when a firm is building a new team for a product launch. Sometimes, it is obvious when a listing refers to an all-but-filled position. Take, for instance, a recent posting for a head football coach at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, a Division I Big Ten school. "There are probably four or five people in the country who would be considered for that job, and I doubt any one of them will hear about the job from the ad," says Mr. Sackett, now president of HRU Technical Resources, an information-technology staffing agency in Lansing, Mich. The university, which has a policy of posting ads for all openings, admits the ad was "a formality." The eventual hire, former Utah State University head coach Gary Andersen, was recruited by the school's athletic director, says spokeswoman Amy Toburen. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2638/5531 - Release Date: 01/13/13 From Ronza.Othman at cms.hhs.gov Mon Jan 14 17:13:06 2013 From: Ronza.Othman at cms.hhs.gov (Othman, Ronza (CMS/OEOCR)) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:13:06 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: 508 Coordinator Posting In-Reply-To: <540A385633812E42AC0B73588D11F5060355AF91@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> References: <540A385633812E42AC0B73588D11F5060355AF91@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> Message-ID: <051EB2CB993E3543BD73AC4FAACE40C7090C80EA@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> Please see below. All, The posting for the CMS 508 Coordinator is now up on USAJOBS as both nationwide and merit promotion vacancies. Please share with anyone you think might be interested. The links are below. https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/335300900 https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/335302600 From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Tue Jan 15 14:03:58 2013 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:03:58 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [MARKETING EMAIL]Apply for the Carliner Public Interest Award! In-Reply-To: <6B/E8-16093-ED664F05@genius-network.com> References: <6B/E8-16093-ED664F05@genius-network.com> Message-ID: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355A417@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> From: American Constitution Society [mailto:events at acslaw.org] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:13 PM To: Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) Subject: [MARKETING EMAIL]Apply for the Carliner Public Interest Award! [Image removed by sender.] The American Constitution Society invites you to apply for: The David Carliner Public Interest Award Deadline to apply: March 15, 6:00pm EST This Award recognizes outstanding public interest lawyers whose work best exemplifies its namesake’s legacy of fearless, uncompromising and creative advocacy on behalf of marginalized people. The Award consists of: * Cash prize of $10,000 to one recipient each year * Transportation and lodging, in full, to the ACS National Convention in Washington to accept the Award in person Eligibility and Selection Criteria To be considered for the 2013 Award, applicants must: * Have graduated from law school between May 2001 and May 2006; * Have demonstrated a passionate commitment to public interest law throughout their career and be employed at a nonprofit organization, government entity, or law firm whose mission supports and furthers the causes for which David Carliner stood; namely, civil liberties, civil rights, international human rights and immigration, and * Receive an annual salary of $110,000 or less ​If you do not qualify for the Carliner Public Interest Award, but know someone who does, please encourage them to apply. 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Box 94745 Seattle, WA 98124-4745 Tel: 206-233-2759 Cell: 206-225-8038 Fax: 206-684-5360 From: Lee, Patricia (LEG) Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:12 PM To: Fathi, Sahar Cc: Noble, Ben Subject: FW: Job Announcement - Legislative Policy Analyst Hi Sahar – can you please review the list below – are there other bar associations, organizations you think it would be good for us to send the announcement to – thanks, Patricia From: Beatty, Melissa Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:08 PM To: Beatty, Melissa Subject: Job Announcement - Legislative Policy Analyst Greetings! Attached is the job announcement (open through February 12) for the Legislative Policy Analyst Position based in the Council Central Staff division of the Legislative Department. We are doing outreach an in effort to find the best possible candidate. Please feel free to share this with anyone who you think may be qualified and/or interested. We will be advertising in the following places: · RSJI Core Team 4 · City Affinity Groups · African-American Village · Association of Washington Cities · Washington Assoc. of Counties · Craigslist · Latino Bar Association · Loren Miller Bar Association · Medium · NW Asian Weekly · International Examiner · Northwest Indian Bar Association · Seattle University - Law School · Seattle Times · University of Washington Law School · University of Washington Evans School · University of Washington School of Arch. & Urban Planning · Washington Chapter of the American Planning Association · Washington Asian Bar Association · Washington Bar Association Please feel free to share this with anyone who you think may be qualified and/or interested. If you have any questions please let me know. Thank you. Melissa A. 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I have a conundrum that I have been struggling with for about 18 hours or so, and I thought someone might be able to help me with it. I have some friends who are a lot more computer techy than me and are able to code things and create audiogames. So, last night about six of us, me included were talking on a chat client and we all decided to create an audio game. I think we have all the bases covered as far as jobs; we have coders, story line creators, sound designers, and me, the legal guy. I'm also going to help out in the sound department and some web design. Arriving at my question, how much legal work am I able to do here in this situation? I am currently in college going for a government degree with an emphasis in prelaw. I want to go to law school after graduating and become a lawyer. And I know if I practice law without a law license that is a big no-no and can be punishable by imprisonment. I will probably have everyone sign a contract which I know we are legally able to do. everyone involved is competent and legally able to enter into a contractual agreement. What are your thoughts on this matter? From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 16 00:06:21 2013 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:06:21 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered In-Reply-To: <000001cdf37a$ba536680$2efa3380$@att.net> References: <000001cdf37a$ba536680$2efa3380$@att.net> Message-ID: <086FDD6C33A445EE8CE407C1456DF12D@Spike> Well, you can relax as you aren't practicing law without a license if you are doing something for a group that wants you to do it for their benefit. You by drafting a contract are not giving legal advice and you are not representing yourself to be a lawyer or legal professional. The situation could become more complicated if you were wanting to market the game you developed and were to have it copyrighted or patented depending on the format. In that case you should probably seek the advice of a lawyer as you are getting in to a more complicated area. You also should seek legal advice if you and the other parties are wanting to start a business as a result of this creation and there are then other factors that need to be considered. I'm not sure what you are wanting the contract to stipulate and who would be the parties involved this could impact how you proceed. Again, I am not a lawyer and you may want to give us a few more details. Chuck Krugman, MSW Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chuck-krugman/b/357/722 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Borah" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered > Hello everyone out there. > > > > I have a conundrum that I have been struggling with for about 18 hours or > so, and I thought someone might be able to help me with it. > > I have some friends who are a lot more computer techy than me and are able > to code things and create audiogames. So, last night about six of us, me > included were talking on a chat client and we all decided to create an > audio > game. I think we have all the bases covered as far as jobs; we have > coders, > story line creators, sound designers, and me, the legal guy. I'm also > going > to help out in the sound department and some web design. Arriving at my > question, how much legal work am I able to do here in this situation? I > am > currently in college going for a government degree with an emphasis in > prelaw. I want to go to law school after graduating and become a lawyer. > And I know if I practice law without a law license that is a big no-no and > can be punishable by imprisonment. I will probably have everyone sign a > contract which I know we are legally able to do. everyone involved is > competent and legally able to enter into a contractual agreement. What > are > your thoughts on this matter? > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From kgborah at att.net Wed Jan 16 00:39:18 2013 From: kgborah at att.net (Kyle Borah) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:39:18 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered In-Reply-To: <086FDD6C33A445EE8CE407C1456DF12D@Spike> References: <000001cdf37a$ba536680$2efa3380$@att.net> <086FDD6C33A445EE8CE407C1456DF12D@Spike> Message-ID: <000301cdf381$ee66d5e0$cb3481a0$@att.net> The end result is to come up with at least one sellable game. So, if that stipulates a business, which I think it does, we should seek the advice of a real lawyer? I don't know if we are going to patent it, but I believe it might be a good thing to consider. The contract would basically entail everyone's jobs and their responsibilities they are supposed to carry out along with their percentages of profits they would receive. It wouldn't be anything fancy, just something to kind of keep everything official and with as little chaos as possible if something were to go wrong. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:06 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Well, you can relax as you aren't practicing law without a license if you are doing something for a group that wants you to do it for their benefit. You by drafting a contract are not giving legal advice and you are not representing yourself to be a lawyer or legal professional. The situation could become more complicated if you were wanting to market the game you developed and were to have it copyrighted or patented depending on the format. In that case you should probably seek the advice of a lawyer as you are getting in to a more complicated area. You also should seek legal advice if you and the other parties are wanting to start a business as a result of this creation and there are then other factors that need to be considered. I'm not sure what you are wanting the contract to stipulate and who would be the parties involved this could impact how you proceed. Again, I am not a lawyer and you may want to give us a few more details. Chuck Krugman, MSW Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chuck-krugman/b/357/722 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Borah" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered > Hello everyone out there. > > > > I have a conundrum that I have been struggling with for about 18 hours > or so, and I thought someone might be able to help me with it. > > I have some friends who are a lot more computer techy than me and are > able to code things and create audiogames. So, last night about six > of us, me included were talking on a chat client and we all decided to > create an audio game. I think we have all the bases covered as far as > jobs; we have coders, story line creators, sound designers, and me, > the legal guy. I'm also going to help out in the sound department and > some web design. Arriving at my question, how much legal work am I > able to do here in this situation? I am currently in college going > for a government degree with an emphasis in prelaw. I want to go to > law school after graduating and become a lawyer. > And I know if I practice law without a law license that is a big no-no > and can be punishable by imprisonment. I will probably have everyone > sign a contract which I know we are legally able to do. everyone > involved is competent and legally able to enter into a contractual > agreement. What are your thoughts on this matter? > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcgl > obal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net From attorney at alcidonislaw.com Wed Jan 16 00:46:27 2013 From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Alcidonis Law Office) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:46:27 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered In-Reply-To: <000001cdf37a$ba536680$2efa3380$@att.net> References: <000001cdf37a$ba536680$2efa3380$@att.net> Message-ID: Kyle: You will be practicing law without a licensed which is illegal in all of the United States. You are not a licensed attorney and as such, you cannot represent anyone including your friends, your family, in any legal matter. When you have your friends sign a contract, you are in fact asking them to allow you to be, as you said, "the legal guy." Given that this is a listserv for legal professionals, attorneys on here cannot and will not advise you on how to achieve what you are trying to do as they would be assisting you in your endeavor (which is also illegal). The best recommendation you will get is that if you and your friends are serious about a business transaction, either get an attorney to represent you or negotiate amongst yourselves. Do well in school, be active in your community, and apply to law school after college. Rod Alcidonis, Esquire. Alcidonis Law Office, LLC 2824 Cottman Avenue Suite 15 Philadelphia, PA 19149 Tel: (215) 305-8085 Fax: (215) 525-0999 Work: Attorney at alcidonislaw.com Listservs: lawoffice at alcidonislaw.com Licensed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Borah Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:47 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Hello everyone out there. I have a conundrum that I have been struggling with for about 18 hours or so, and I thought someone might be able to help me with it. I have some friends who are a lot more computer techy than me and are able to code things and create audiogames. So, last night about six of us, me included were talking on a chat client and we all decided to create an audio game. I think we have all the bases covered as far as jobs; we have coders, story line creators, sound designers, and me, the legal guy. I'm also going to help out in the sound department and some web design. Arriving at my question, how much legal work am I able to do here in this situation? I am currently in college going for a government degree with an emphasis in prelaw. I want to go to law school after graduating and become a lawyer. And I know if I practice law without a law license that is a big no-no and can be punishable by imprisonment. I will probably have everyone sign a contract which I know we are legally able to do. everyone involved is competent and legally able to enter into a contractual agreement. What are your thoughts on this matter? _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonislaw.com From kgborah at att.net Wed Jan 16 00:55:04 2013 From: kgborah at att.net (Kyle Borah) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:55:04 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered In-Reply-To: References: <000001cdf37a$ba536680$2efa3380$@att.net> Message-ID: <000001cdf384$1fb15380$5f13fa80$@att.net> Can't anyone, as long as the requirements for a contract are satisfied, which they will bee, enter into a contractual relationship with each other. Isn't this all this is? I'm not advising anyone legally in anyway shape form or fashion. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alcidonis Law Office Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:46 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Kyle: You will be practicing law without a licensed which is illegal in all of the United States. You are not a licensed attorney and as such, you cannot represent anyone including your friends, your family, in any legal matter. When you have your friends sign a contract, you are in fact asking them to allow you to be, as you said, "the legal guy." Given that this is a listserv for legal professionals, attorneys on here cannot and will not advise you on how to achieve what you are trying to do as they would be assisting you in your endeavor (which is also illegal). The best recommendation you will get is that if you and your friends are serious about a business transaction, either get an attorney to represent you or negotiate amongst yourselves. Do well in school, be active in your community, and apply to law school after college. Rod Alcidonis, Esquire. Alcidonis Law Office, LLC 2824 Cottman Avenue Suite 15 Philadelphia, PA 19149 Tel: (215) 305-8085 Fax: (215) 525-0999 Work: Attorney at alcidonislaw.com Listservs: lawoffice at alcidonislaw.com Licensed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Borah Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:47 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Hello everyone out there. I have a conundrum that I have been struggling with for about 18 hours or so, and I thought someone might be able to help me with it. I have some friends who are a lot more computer techy than me and are able to code things and create audiogames. So, last night about six of us, me included were talking on a chat client and we all decided to create an audio game. I think we have all the bases covered as far as jobs; we have coders, story line creators, sound designers, and me, the legal guy. I'm also going to help out in the sound department and some web design. Arriving at my question, how much legal work am I able to do here in this situation? I am currently in college going for a government degree with an emphasis in prelaw. I want to go to law school after graduating and become a lawyer. And I know if I practice law without a law license that is a big no-no and can be punishable by imprisonment. I will probably have everyone sign a contract which I know we are legally able to do. everyone involved is competent and legally able to enter into a contractual agreement. What are your thoughts on this matter? _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonisla w.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net From attorney at alcidonislaw.com Wed Jan 16 00:56:21 2013 From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Alcidonis Law Office) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:56:21 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered In-Reply-To: <086FDD6C33A445EE8CE407C1456DF12D@Spike> References: <000001cdf37a$ba536680$2efa3380$@att.net> <086FDD6C33A445EE8CE407C1456DF12D@Spike> Message-ID: <6234771D053441D986BCE69DA4E70730@RodPC> "Well, you can relax as you aren't practicing law without a license if you are doing something for a group that wants you to do it for their benefit." If the thing you are doing for the group's benefit involves signing a contract so you can act as "the legal guy," you are in fact engaging in the practice of law without a licensed, and there is not much about that to be relaxed. Drafting any contracts for an individual, a group, or entity, is a task that is strictly within the domain of a licensed attorney. Although a Paralegal may draft legal documents on behalf of clients/groups, this is done under the supervision of an attorney. The documents have to be reviewed and approved and signed by licensed attorneys. In this case the gentlemen is neither an attorney, nor a Paralegal under supervision. Rod Alcidonis, Esquire. Alcidonis Law Office, LLC 2824 Cottman Avenue Suite 15 Philadelphia, PA 19149 Tel: (215) 305-8085 Fax: (215) 525-0999 Work: Attorney at alcidonislaw.com Listservs: lawoffice at alcidonislaw.com Licensed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. -----Original Message----- From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:06 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Well, you can relax as you aren't practicing law without a license if you are doing something for a group that wants you to do it for their benefit. You by drafting a contract are not giving legal advice and you are not representing yourself to be a lawyer or legal professional. The situation could become more complicated if you were wanting to market the game you developed and were to have it copyrighted or patented depending on the format. In that case you should probably seek the advice of a lawyer as you are getting in to a more complicated area. You also should seek legal advice if you and the other parties are wanting to start a business as a result of this creation and there are then other factors that need to be considered. I'm not sure what you are wanting the contract to stipulate and who would be the parties involved this could impact how you proceed. Again, I am not a lawyer and you may want to give us a few more details. Chuck Krugman, MSW Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chuck-krugman/b/357/722 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Borah" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:47 PM Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered > Hello everyone out there. > > > > I have a conundrum that I have been struggling with for about 18 hours or > so, and I thought someone might be able to help me with it. > > I have some friends who are a lot more computer techy than me and are able > to code things and create audiogames. So, last night about six of us, me > included were talking on a chat client and we all decided to create an > audio > game. I think we have all the bases covered as far as jobs; we have > coders, > story line creators, sound designers, and me, the legal guy. I'm also > going > to help out in the sound department and some web design. Arriving at my > question, how much legal work am I able to do here in this situation? I > am > currently in college going for a government degree with an emphasis in > prelaw. I want to go to law school after graduating and become a lawyer. > And I know if I practice law without a law license that is a big no-no and > can be punishable by imprisonment. I will probably have everyone sign a > contract which I know we are legally able to do. everyone involved is > competent and legally able to enter into a contractual agreement. What > are > your thoughts on this matter? > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonislaw.com From attorney at alcidonislaw.com Wed Jan 16 01:07:46 2013 From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Alcidonis Law Office) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:07:46 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered In-Reply-To: <000001cdf384$1fb15380$5f13fa80$@att.net> References: <000001cdf37a$ba536680$2efa3380$@att.net> <000001cdf384$1fb15380$5f13fa80$@att.net> Message-ID: Then, you are fine if all you are doing is negotiating and contracting amongst yourselves. This is being done everyday. I misread you when you said that you were designated as the "legal guy" for your project. Rod Alcidonis, Esquire. Alcidonis Law Office, LLC 2824 Cottman Avenue Suite 15 Philadelphia, PA 19149 Tel: (215) 305-8085 Fax: (215) 525-0999 Work: Attorney at alcidonislaw.com Listservs: lawoffice at alcidonislaw.com Licensed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Borah Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:55 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Can't anyone, as long as the requirements for a contract are satisfied, which they will bee, enter into a contractual relationship with each other. Isn't this all this is? I'm not advising anyone legally in anyway shape form or fashion. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alcidonis Law Office Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:46 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Kyle: You will be practicing law without a licensed which is illegal in all of the United States. You are not a licensed attorney and as such, you cannot represent anyone including your friends, your family, in any legal matter. When you have your friends sign a contract, you are in fact asking them to allow you to be, as you said, "the legal guy." Given that this is a listserv for legal professionals, attorneys on here cannot and will not advise you on how to achieve what you are trying to do as they would be assisting you in your endeavor (which is also illegal). The best recommendation you will get is that if you and your friends are serious about a business transaction, either get an attorney to represent you or negotiate amongst yourselves. Do well in school, be active in your community, and apply to law school after college. Rod Alcidonis, Esquire. Alcidonis Law Office, LLC 2824 Cottman Avenue Suite 15 Philadelphia, PA 19149 Tel: (215) 305-8085 Fax: (215) 525-0999 Work: Attorney at alcidonislaw.com Listservs: lawoffice at alcidonislaw.com Licensed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Borah Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:47 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Hello everyone out there. I have a conundrum that I have been struggling with for about 18 hours or so, and I thought someone might be able to help me with it. I have some friends who are a lot more computer techy than me and are able to code things and create audiogames. So, last night about six of us, me included were talking on a chat client and we all decided to create an audio game. I think we have all the bases covered as far as jobs; we have coders, story line creators, sound designers, and me, the legal guy. I'm also going to help out in the sound department and some web design. Arriving at my question, how much legal work am I able to do here in this situation? I am currently in college going for a government degree with an emphasis in prelaw. I want to go to law school after graduating and become a lawyer. And I know if I practice law without a law license that is a big no-no and can be punishable by imprisonment. I will probably have everyone sign a contract which I know we are legally able to do. everyone involved is competent and legally able to enter into a contractual agreement. What are your thoughts on this matter? _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonisla w.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonislaw.com From kgborah at att.net Wed Jan 16 01:43:53 2013 From: kgborah at att.net (Kyle Borah) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:43:53 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered In-Reply-To: References: <000001cdf37a$ba536680$2efa3380$@att.net> <000001cdf384$1fb15380$5f13fa80$@att.net> Message-ID: <000001cdf38a$f12bfa40$d383eec0$@att.net> Yes that is correct. Since we are intending on selling our game/games, would you suggest getting our game patented and/or copyrighted. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alcidonis Law Office Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:08 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Then, you are fine if all you are doing is negotiating and contracting amongst yourselves. This is being done everyday. I misread you when you said that you were designated as the "legal guy" for your project. Rod Alcidonis, Esquire. Alcidonis Law Office, LLC 2824 Cottman Avenue Suite 15 Philadelphia, PA 19149 Tel: (215) 305-8085 Fax: (215) 525-0999 Work: Attorney at alcidonislaw.com Listservs: lawoffice at alcidonislaw.com Licensed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Borah Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:55 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Can't anyone, as long as the requirements for a contract are satisfied, which they will bee, enter into a contractual relationship with each other. Isn't this all this is? I'm not advising anyone legally in anyway shape form or fashion. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alcidonis Law Office Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:46 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Kyle: You will be practicing law without a licensed which is illegal in all of the United States. You are not a licensed attorney and as such, you cannot represent anyone including your friends, your family, in any legal matter. When you have your friends sign a contract, you are in fact asking them to allow you to be, as you said, "the legal guy." Given that this is a listserv for legal professionals, attorneys on here cannot and will not advise you on how to achieve what you are trying to do as they would be assisting you in your endeavor (which is also illegal). The best recommendation you will get is that if you and your friends are serious about a business transaction, either get an attorney to represent you or negotiate amongst yourselves. Do well in school, be active in your community, and apply to law school after college. Rod Alcidonis, Esquire. Alcidonis Law Office, LLC 2824 Cottman Avenue Suite 15 Philadelphia, PA 19149 Tel: (215) 305-8085 Fax: (215) 525-0999 Work: Attorney at alcidonislaw.com Listservs: lawoffice at alcidonislaw.com Licensed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Borah Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:47 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered Hello everyone out there. I have a conundrum that I have been struggling with for about 18 hours or so, and I thought someone might be able to help me with it. I have some friends who are a lot more computer techy than me and are able to code things and create audiogames. So, last night about six of us, me included were talking on a chat client and we all decided to create an audio game. I think we have all the bases covered as far as jobs; we have coders, story line creators, sound designers, and me, the legal guy. I'm also going to help out in the sound department and some web design. Arriving at my question, how much legal work am I able to do here in this situation? I am currently in college going for a government degree with an emphasis in prelaw. I want to go to law school after graduating and become a lawyer. And I know if I practice law without a law license that is a big no-no and can be punishable by imprisonment. I will probably have everyone sign a contract which I know we are legally able to do. everyone involved is competent and legally able to enter into a contractual agreement. What are your thoughts on this matter? _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonisla w.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonisla w.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 16 05:41:30 2013 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:41:30 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered In-Reply-To: <000301cdf381$ee66d5e0$cb3481a0$@att.net> References: <000001cdf37a$ba536680$2efa3380$@att.net> <086FDD6C33A445EE8CE407C1456DF12D@Spike> <000301cdf381$ee66d5e0$cb3481a0$@att.net> Message-ID: <1652326E078C4676907825B09546710A@Spike> yes you should definitely seek the advice of an attorney as you have many issues to address here. As a nonattorney you could only represent yourself and not others in doing this so you and your buddies definitely need legal advice to proceed. Chuck Krugman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Borah" To: ; "'Blind Law Mailing List'" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 4:39 PM Subject: RE: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered > The end result is to come up with at least one sellable game. So, if that > stipulates a business, which I think it does, we should seek the advice of > a > real lawyer? I don't know if we are going to patent it, but I believe it > might be a good thing to consider. > The contract would basically entail everyone's jobs and their > responsibilities they are supposed to carry out along with their > percentages > of profits they would receive. It wouldn't be anything fancy, just > something to kind of keep everything official and with as little chaos as > possible if something were to go wrong. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > ckrugman at sbcglobal.net > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:06 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered > > Well, you can relax as you aren't practicing law without a license if you > are doing something for a group that wants you to do it for their benefit. > You by drafting a contract are not giving legal advice and you are not > representing yourself to be a lawyer or legal professional. The situation > could become more complicated if you were wanting to market the game you > developed and were to have it copyrighted or patented depending on the > format. In that case you should probably seek the advice of a lawyer as > you > are getting in to a more complicated area. You also should seek legal > advice > if you and the other parties are wanting to start a business as a result > of > this creation and there are then other factors that need to be considered. > I'm not sure what you are wanting the contract to stipulate and who would > be the parties involved this could impact how you proceed. > Again, I am not a lawyer and you may want to give us a few more details. > Chuck Krugman, MSW Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chuck-krugman/b/357/722 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kyle Borah" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:47 PM > Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered > > >> Hello everyone out there. >> >> >> >> I have a conundrum that I have been struggling with for about 18 hours >> or so, and I thought someone might be able to help me with it. >> >> I have some friends who are a lot more computer techy than me and are >> able to code things and create audiogames. So, last night about six >> of us, me included were talking on a chat client and we all decided to >> create an audio game. I think we have all the bases covered as far as >> jobs; we have coders, story line creators, sound designers, and me, >> the legal guy. I'm also going to help out in the sound department and >> some web design. Arriving at my question, how much legal work am I >> able to do here in this situation? I am currently in college going >> for a government degree with an emphasis in prelaw. I want to go to >> law school after graduating and become a lawyer. >> And I know if I practice law without a law license that is a big no-no >> and can be punishable by imprisonment. I will probably have everyone >> sign a contract which I know we are legally able to do. everyone >> involved is competent and legally able to enter into a contractual >> agreement. What are your thoughts on this matter? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcgl >> obal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net > From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Wed Jan 16 14:40:44 2013 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:40:44 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] I need some advice and a question answered References: <000001cdf37a$ba536680$2efa3380$@att.net><086FDD6C33A445EE8CE407C1456DF12D@Spike> <000301cdf381$ee66d5e0$cb3481a0$@att.net> Message-ID: Hello Kyle: I don't know what state you reside in, but I think that virtually every state does almost the same thing. I strongly recommend you and your group consider registering your business as a LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY (LLC). By so doing, you will be able to separate personal liabilities from those of the company. In the event of a loss, each participating member will only have to lose whatever has been invested in the business and not your personal properties. Avoid partnership if you can; it can get murky pretty quickly. If the concept of an LLC IS NOT entertained by other members of your group, then consider making an S Corporation election with the IRS. In this respect, earnings from the company's business dealings are distributed to each person or stockholder. This eliminates double taxation as is the case with C Corporations. Whatever final decisions you make, be sure to have a lawyer take a hard look at the contract you and your group may draft. Consultations with a small business development center (SBDC) in your area may not be a bad idea; they can generally help you in more ways than you ever thought possible. Should you wish to discuss this further, please contact me privately at: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Or you can also call my office at: 303-399-4177. I am in the Mountain Time zone. My office hours are 9:00 A.M.-5:30 P.M. Tuesday through Friday. I'm running a lot of errands this week. As such, I'll be in and out of my office but, if you leave a message, I'll gladly return your call. Hope this has been somewhat helpful!! Much thanks. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Jan 16 19:48:40 2013 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:48:40 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] INVESTIGATION & RESOLUTION SPECIALIST, University of Washington job announcement posted December 11, 2012, open until filled In-Reply-To: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE162341D5AF4883AE@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> References: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE162341D5AF4883AE@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> Message-ID: Link: https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/eng/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile&szOrderID=91323&szCandidateID=0&szReturnToSearch=1 Text: INVESTIGATION & RESOLUTION SPECIALIST Add job to cart Apply for this job INVESTIGATION & RESOLUTION SPECIALIST Req #: 91323 Department: RISK MANAGEMENT Job Location: Other Locations Job Location Detail: Roosevelt Commons Posting Date: 12/11/2012 Closing Info: Open Until Filled Salary: Salary and benefits are competitive. 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Date posted: 01-07-2013 U.S. Department of Justice U.S. Trustee Program Region 16/Woodland Hills, California One (1) Trial Attorney Position GS-905-12/13/14/15 Announcement NO. FY13 WH-01 Close: January 18, 2013. Date posted: 01-07-2013 Experienced Attorneys GS-12 to GS-15 Civil Division, Commercial Litigation Branch, National Courts Section Washington, DC Application materials must be received no later than close of business on January 18, 2013. Date posted: 01-04-2013 Special Assistant United States Attorney (Serves Without Compensation) United States Attorney's Office Western District of Kentucky Vacancy Announcement Number 13-WDKY-01 To receive consideration for this vacancy, resumes must be received by Friday, January 18, 2013. Date posted: 01-03-2013 From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Fri Jan 18 02:46:48 2013 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:46:48 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [NELA Open Forum]: Public Justice is hiring recent law school grad; deadline for applications is 2/15 Message-ID: <007601cdf526$10a1e460$31e5ad20$@labarrelaw.com> FYI From: Victoria Ni [mailto:noreply at egroups.nela.org] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 2:41 PM To: Scott LaBarre Subject: [NELA Open Forum]: Public Justice is hiring recent law school grad; deadline for applications is 2/15 National Employment Lawyer NELA | Discussions | Open Forum Public Justice is hiring recent law school grad; deadline for applications is 2/15 From: Victoria Ni To: Open Forum Posted: January 17, 2013 4:42 PM Subject: Public Justice is hiring recent law school grad; deadline for applications is 2/15 Message: View Profile Add Contact Blog This Contact Author TWO-YEAR PUBLIC INTEREST FELLOWSHIP WASHINGTON, D.C. or OAKLAND, CA Public Justice, a national public interest law firm dedicated to pursuing justice for the victims of corporate and government abuses, seeks to hire a recent law school graduate to serve as a Fellow for two years in either its Washington, D.C. headquarters or its Oakland, California office. The Fellow will help develop and litigate Public Justice's cases. The two-year position will be open beginning in the Summer or Fall of 2013. Please note in your cover letter when you would be available to start. Public Justice is involved in a broader range of high-impact, cutting-edge litigation than any other public interest firm in the nation. Our lawsuits fight for consumers' and victims' rights, the environment, civil rights and civil liberties, public health and safety, workers' rights, government and corporate accountability, and the protection of the poor and powerless. Our Access to Justice Campaign works to keep the courthouse doors open for all - by battling federal preemption, unnecessary court secrecy, class action bans and abuses, unfair mandatory arbitration, and other efforts to deprive people of their day in court. The Fellow will work collaboratively with Public Justice's staff attorneys, outside lawyers who support Public Justice's work, and other public interest groups to develop and bring precedent-setting and socially significant litigation. He or she may also help to develop materials designed to educate members of the public and the bar about Public Justice's cases and the issues they address. REQUIREMENTS: * Superb analytical, legal research, legal writing, and speaking skills * Preference given to individuals with demonstrated commitment to the public interest and at least two years of litigation experience * Self-motivation, creativity, and can-do personality * Strong organizational skills * Willingness and ability to travel for several weeks per year * Good sense of humor and ability to get along with others * Healthy sense of outrage and desire to change the world for the better Salary is $50,000 per year. Excellent benefits. Public Justice is an equal-opportunity employer. Diversity valued. Send cover letter, resume, writing sample, transcript, and references to: lawfellow at publicjustice.net ">lawfellow at publicjustice.net or 2013-15 Fellowship Opening, Public Justice, 555 12th Street, Suite 1230, Oakland, CA 94607. Electronic submissions are strongly preferred. The deadline for applications is February 15, 2013. For more information, please visit our website at www.publicjustice.net . ------------------------------------------- Victoria Ni Attorney at Law Public Justice, PC Oakland CA (510) 622-8150 ------------------------------------------- Be the first person to recommend this. Recommend Discussion Home Reply to Discussion Reply to Sender Post Message Forward Message Print Message View Thread Author's Messages Search My Subscriptions CAUTION: If privileged information is set forth on The Exchange, then it will likely lose its protected status and/or may be seen by third parties whom you would not want to see it. Do not use The Exchange to transmit privileged or confidential information. Statements concerning sensitive topics, especially those concerning the conduct of judges, and/or concerning issues of client relations or difficulties with defense counsel, should be very carefully thought out before posting. NELA members are encouraged to address issues involving actual and potential conflicts with clients or with opposing counsel, or any ethics and sanctions issues, by sending an email to the Service Hotline For Ethics Requests at shofer at lists.nela.org. You are currently subscribed to nela_openforumhtrt as: slabarre at labarrelaw.com. To modify your subscription (or unsubscribe), go to: My Subscriptions and update your preferences. From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 22:45:58 2013 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:45:58 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] u.s. Federal habeas corpus practice Message-ID: in u.s. Federal habeas corpus practice, is it possible to make multiple applications on the same grounds? E.g. If an application is made to one judge or court and the court refuses to required the detainer to show cause, can an application on the same grounds be brought before another federal court? Can anyone recommend authorities or secondary material on this? Thank you very much. Ger From rumpole at roadrunner.com Sat Jan 19 23:01:15 2013 From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:01:15 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] u.s. Federal habeas corpus practice References: Message-ID: I'm not sure on how you are approaching this, but won't you have some problems with Res judicata and collateral estoppel issues here? If you're changing something to avoid that... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerard Sadlier" To: "blindlaw" Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 5:45 PM Subject: [blindlaw] u.s. Federal habeas corpus practice > in u.s. Federal habeas corpus practice, is it possible to make > multiple applications on the same grounds? > E.g. If an application is made to one judge or court and the court > refuses to required the detainer to show cause, can an application on > the same grounds be brought before another federal court? > > Can anyone recommend authorities or secondary material on this? > > Thank you very much. > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rumpole%40roadrunner.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2639/5543 - Release Date: 01/19/13 > From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Tue Jan 22 16:26:15 2013 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:26:15 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] ACCESSIBLE COPY OF COLORADO CONSTITUTION References: Message-ID: <9F019652DE1C4258A9830D85EB3A05D0@victory2> Hello everyone: Any ideas on how I can grab an accessible copy of the State of Colorado Constitution? I visited this site: www.colorado.gov/dpa/doit/archives/constitution/1876.pdf and got a copy. Alas, after the document was opened, all I got was EMPTY document. This means that I have to PERFORM OCR on the document before I can read it. I don't have Kurzweil or OpenBook as I am seriously considering an OFF-THE-SHELF scanning/OCR software. I am tickled pink that on a state website, inaccessible copies of documents are still the norm. Is there a stateside phone number I can call to see if they'll make a copy of the State Constitution available to me in an alternate accessible format? Or am I just plainly BARKING off a dead tree? Any help in this respect will be thankfully appreciated. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Jan 22 17:37:32 2013 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:37:32 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Opening: Experienced Attorney: DOJ ENRD Indian Resources Section In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b201cdf8c7$28c3bfb0$7a4b3f10$@labarrelaw.com> FYI From: Parker, Richard L. (JMD) [mailto:Richard.L.Parker2 at usdoj.gov] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: Opening: Experienced Attorney: DOJ ENRD Indian Resources Section Please disseminate this vacancy announcement for the Indian Resources Section, U.S. Department of Justice, Environment & Natural Resources Division, which is seeking an experienced attorney for the position of Trial Attorney in Washington, DC or Denver, CO: Offices, Boards and Divisions Job Title: Trial Attorney Department: Department Of Justice Agency: Offices, Boards and Divisions Job Announcement Number:ENRD-13-003- EXC SALARY RANGE: $73,848.00 to $155,500.00 / Per Year OPEN PERIOD: SERIES & GRADE: GS-0905-12/15 POSITION INFORMATION: PROMOTION POTENTIAL: 15 DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy in the following location(s): Denver, CO United States Washington DC Metro Area, DC United States WHO MAY APPLY: United States Citizens JOB SUMMARY: The Indian Resources Section, U.S. Department of Justice, Environment & Natural Resources Division, is seeking an experienced attorney for the position of Trial Attorney in Washington, DC or Denver, CO. The Indian Resources Section represents the United States in its trust capacity in litigation pending in federal and state courts for the benefit of Indian tribes and individual Indians. These suits include seeking to establish tribal water rights, protecting treaty hunting and fishing rights, remedying trespasses on tribal lands, and establishing reservation boundaries and rights to land. The Indian Resource Section also defends the United States in legal challenges to agency programs designed to further tribal sovereignty, such as the Department of the Interior's program for the acquisition of trust land for tribes. The litigation handled by the Indian Resources Section is of vital interest to Indian tribes and often addresses issues of first impression. ENRD seeks to attract, retain, and promote individuals of exceptional ability and talent from all walks of life. The work environment and atmosphere is open, diverse, collegial, and inclusive. There are active affinity groups for African-American; Asian-American; Hispanic; lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT); and Native American employees, which are open to all DOJ employees regardless of background. ENRD fosters a work environment where people of all backgrounds and experiences may reach their full potential. We place a high value on diversity of experience and cultural perspective and encourage applications from all ethnic groups, women, veterans, and individuals with disabilities. NOTE: Please specify an interest in one or both locations. The possible salary range for Washington, DC, GS-12: $74,872- $97,333; GS-13 $89,033-$115,742; GS-14 $105,211-$136,771;GS-15 $123,758-$155,500. The possible salary range for Denver, CO: GS-12: $73,848-$96,001; GS-13: $87,815-$114,158; GS-14: 103,771-$134,899; GS-15: $122,064-$155,500. KEY REQUIREMENTS * You must be a U.S. Citizen or National. * You may be subjected to undergo a urinalysis for a drug test. * Moving and Relocation Expenses are not authorized. * Background and/or security investigation is required. * Periodic travel is required. DUTIES: Responsibilities and Opportunity Offered Experience in litigation, in particular water rights litigation, and knowledge of Indian, administrative, and water law is highly desirable. QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED: Applicants must possess a J.D. degree; be duly licensed and authorized to practice as an attorney under the laws of a State, territory, or the District of Columbia, and have at least two years of post-J.D. legal experience. HOW YOU WILL BE EVALUATED: You will be evaluated based on your qualifications for this position as evidenced by the experience you report relative to this position. Paid or unpaid experience will be considered. BENEFITS: The Department of Justice offers a comprehensive benefits package that includes, in part, paid vacation; sick leave; holidays; telework; life insurance; health benefits; and participation in the Federal Employees Retirement System. This link provides an overview of the benefits currently offered to Federal employees http://www.usajobs.gov/ResourceCenter/Index/Interactive/Benefits#icc . OTHER INFORMATION: Internet Sites: For more information about the Environment & Natural Resources Division, visit the Justice Department s web site at: http://www.usdoj.gov/enrd. This and selected other legal position announcements can be found on the Internet at: http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/attvacancies.html. Department Policies: The U.S. Department of Justice is an Equal Opportunity/Reasonable Accommodation Employer. Except where otherwise provided by law, there will be no discrimination based on color, race, religion, national origin, politics, marital status, disability, age, sex, sexual orientation, status as a parent, membership or non-membership in an employee organization, or personal favoritism. The Department of Justice welcomes and encourages applications from persons with physical and mental disabilities. The Department is firmly committed to satisfying its affirmative obligations under the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 to ensure that persons with disabilities have every opportunity to be hired and advanced on the basis of merit within the Department of Justice. This agency provides reasonable accommodation to applicants with disabilities where appropriate. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please notify the agency. Determinations on requests for reasonable accommodation will be made on a case-by-case basis. It is the policy of the Department to achieve a drug-free workplace and persons selected for employment will be required to pass a drug test which screens for illegal drug use prior to final appointment. Employment is also contingent upon the completion and satisfactory adjudication of a background investigation. Only U.S. citizens are eligible for employment with the Executive Office for Immigration Review and the United States Attorneys' Offices. Unless otherwise indicated in a particular job advertisement, non-U.S. citizens may apply for employment with other organizations, but should be advised that appointments of non-U.S. citizens are extremely rare; such appointments would be possible only if necessary to accomplish the Department's mission and would be subject to strict security requirements. Applicants who hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and another country will be considered on a case-by-case basis. HOW TO APPLY: THIS IS NOT AN ON-LINE APPLICATION PROCESS. Submission Process and Deadline Date: Applications must be received by February28, 2013. Applicants must submit a current resume and writing sample to: U.S. Department of Justice, ENRD Indian Resources Section Attn: Gail Robinson ENRD-13-003-EXC P.O. Box 7611 Ben Franklin Station Washington, D.C. 20044-7611 Applications sent via overnight delivery may be sent to: U.S. Department of Justice, ENRD Indian Resources Section Attn: Gail Robinson ENRD-13-003-EXC 601 D Street, NW Room 3507 Washington, DC 20004 No phone calls please. REQUIRED DOCUMENTS: Resume Cover Letter (optional) Writing Sample Your resume MUST contain all information required for Federal employment. Your resume MUST include full employment information such as periods of employment, month and year positions(s) started and ended, title of positions(s), employer's name and address, hours worked, descriptions of duties, etc. AGENCY CONTACT INFO: Gail L. Robinson Phone: (000)000-0000 Email: GAIL.P.ROBINSON at USDOJ.GOV Agency Information: US DOJ Environment and Natural Resources Division PO Box 7611 Washington, DC 20044-0367 WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT: Once your complete application is received we will conduct and evaluation of your qualifications. The most highly qualified candidates will be referred to the hiring manager for further consideration and possible interview. We expect to make a selection within 30-60 days of the closing date of this announcement. You will be notified of the outcome. From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 22 19:14:17 2013 From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:14:17 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] ACCESSIBLE COPY OF COLORADO CONSTITUTION In-Reply-To: <9F019652DE1C4258A9830D85EB3A05D0@victory2> References: <9F019652DE1C4258A9830D85EB3A05D0@victory2> Message-ID: <00c801cdf8d4$ac8fc1b0$05af4510$@sbcglobal.net> In Texas, the state constitution and statutes are available on line in both Adobe PDF and Microsoft Word formats. Of course, the MS Word format is accessible without the need of an OCR program. You might want to double check whether Colorado's constitution and laws are available in MS Word as well. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:26 AM To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] ACCESSIBLE COPY OF COLORADO CONSTITUTION Hello everyone: Any ideas on how I can grab an accessible copy of the State of Colorado Constitution? I visited this site: www.colorado.gov/dpa/doit/archives/constitution/1876.pdf and got a copy. Alas, after the document was opened, all I got was EMPTY document. This means that I have to PERFORM OCR on the document before I can read it. I don't have Kurzweil or OpenBook as I am seriously considering an OFF-THE-SHELF scanning/OCR software. I am tickled pink that on a state website, inaccessible copies of documents are still the norm. Is there a stateside phone number I can call to see if they'll make a copy of the State Constitution available to me in an alternate accessible format? Or am I just plainly BARKING off a dead tree? Any help in this respect will be thankfully appreciated. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Jan 24 19:36:03 2013 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 13:36:03 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Seattle Office for Civil Rights Civil Rights Analyst Position In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: Chin, Mike [mailto:Mike.Chin at seattle.gov] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:34 AM To: Chin, Mike Cc: Chin, Mike Subject: Seattle Office for Civil Rights Civil Rights Analyst Position Greetings! The Seattle Office for Civil Rights (SOCR) is seeking qualified applicants for two full-time Civil Rights Analyst positions. (Please see attached job description). The primary function of a Civil Rights Analyst is to investigate complaints of discrimination in employment, housing, public accommodations, contracting equity, and Seattle's Paid Sick and Safe Time Ordinance, filed under Seattle ordinances and state and federal statutes. A Civil Rights Analyst: * Receives and investigates complaints of discrimination; * Plans case strategies; * Applies legal theories of discrimination; * Interviews parties and witnesses; * Conducts fact-finding and resolution conferences; * Prepares witness statements and affidavits; * Collects and analyzes evidence; * Writes findings of fact; * Negotiates settlements and conciliation agreements; * Performs training regarding discrimination laws and policies and paid sick and safe time; * Maintains case files and manages a case load. Civil Rights Analysts have production requirements and work under only general supervision. The work of SOCR's Enforcement Division is subject to judicial scrutiny and must meet procedural and technical standards to withstand legal challenges. SOCR is committed to creating an organization free of institutional racism. Successful candidates must demonstrate an understanding of the relationship of race, racism, and multiculturalism to their job function and their commitment to creating organizations free of racism. Please apply for this position at: http://seattle.gov/jobs/ and share this information with interested applicants. The application deadline is Tuesday, February 5th. For more information contact mike.chin at seattle.gov or 206-684-4500. Michael Chin Enforcement Manager THE SEATTLE OFFICE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS 810 Third Avenue, Suite 750 Seattle, Washington 98104-1627 ________________________________ direct: 206.684.8063 | fax: 206.684.0332 | main: 206.684.4500 www.cityofseattle.gov/civilrights/ *Reasonable accommodation and language interpretive services are available upon your request. **This communication is the property of the Seattle Office of Civil Rights and may contain confidential or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this communication is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the communication and any attachments. P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Filling these positions is contingent on federal funding. We would greatly appreciate your help sharing this announcement with the membership of the Washington Attorneys with Disabilities Association. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Becky Becky Fish Administrative Assistant Federal Public Defender Western District of Washington (206) 553-1100 CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information in this e-mail and in any attachment may contain information that court rules or other authority protect as confidential. If this e-mail was sent to you in error, you are not authorized to retain, disclose, copy or distribute the message and/or any of its attachments. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify me and delete this message. Thank you POSITION ANNOUNCEMENT ASSISTANT FEDERAL PUBLIC DEFENDERS POSITION #: 2013-1-LEGAL ANNOUNCED: January 7, 2013 CLOSES: When Filled The Federal Public Defender for the Western District of Washington is accepting applications for two Assistant Federal Public Defenders in the Seattle office. Filling these positions are dependent on federal funding. The Assistant Federal Defender provides legal representation of indigent persons charged with criminal offenses or involved in post conviction proceedings in the United States District Court and the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. Responsibilities include managing a caseload with cases at varying stages of litigation; preparing pleadings, briefs and motions; appearing on behalf of the client in court hearings and at other related proceedings; providing representation of individuals in federal habeas corpus proceedings under 28 U.S.C. §2254 and §2255; developing litigation strategies; meeting with clients, experts, witnesses, family members and other duties as assigned. The successful applicant must be a graduate from an accredited law school and a member in good standing with a state bar association. Three years trial experience and excellent writing skills are required. The applicant should be prepared to immediately undertake the representation of clients in serious criminal and habeas corpus cases in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington, as well as appeals in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Essential for this position are the following capabilities: manage a heavy caseload, travel, work flexible hours, possess a reputation for integrity, work in a team environment, and possess effective organizational and prioritization skills. Federal Public Defender attorneys may not engage in the private practice of law. This is a full-time position with federal salary and benefits based on qualifications and experience. The salary range is $82,815 to $143,728 with potential for promotion. The salary will be based on education and years of relevant experience consistent with federal guidelines and regulations. This position is dependent on federal funding and subject to mandatory Electronic Funds Transfer (direct deposit). Employment will be considered provisional pending the successful outcome of a background fingerprint check. The job description for this position is available at http://waw.fd.org. Qualified persons may apply by submitting a letter of interest, resume, and two work references (including their names, addresses and telephone numbers). This position will be open until filled. Applications may only be submitted by U.S. Mail to: Thomas W. Hillier, II Federal Public Defender Attn: Human Resources 1601 Fifth Avenue, Suite 700 Seattle, WA 98101 NO TELEPHONE OR E-MAIL INQUIRIES PLEASE. The Federal Public Defender is an equal opportunity employer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Washington Attorneys with Disabilities Association" group. To post to this group, send email to WashingtonAttorneyswithDisabilitiesAssociation at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to WashingtonAttorneyswithDisabilitiesAssociation+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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Scott -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Elder [mailto:telder at trelegal.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:24 PM Subject: Blind Lawyer Networking Lunch Hi all, I and a number of other blind attorneys will be informally getting together for a social/networking lunch on February 4 in Washington D.C. near the L'Enfant Plaza metro stop (SW). Several attorneys from the National Association of Blind Lawyers ("NABL") will be in D.C. to attend the NFB's Washington Seminar event. There are also quite a few blind attorneys living or working in the D.C. area. Some of us thought it would be fun to meet up for lunch and catch up with our fellow blind professionals. It should be a fun time for old acquaintances to reconnect and younger lawyers to meet new friends. Everyone is welcome. Please feel free to invite other blind attorneys or persons who might be interested. RSVP to telder at trelegal.com or 410.415.3493 with your contact information so I can send you the specific address. Once we know how many people are coming, we will make a noontime reservation at a place within walking distance of the metro stop. Regards, Timothy Elder Attorney TRE Legal Practice, LLC 1126 East 36th Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Phone: (410) 415-3493 Fax: (888) 718-0617 E-mail: telder at trelegal.com www.trelegal.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. Confidentiality Notice This e-mail may contain confidential information that may also be legally privileged and that is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized agent of the recipient, please be advised that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail, or taking of any action in reliance on the information contained herein, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by use of the Reply button, and then delete the e-mail from your system. Thank you! From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 21:07:58 2013 From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:07:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [blindlaw] fastcase legal research Message-ID: <1359148078.92278.YahooMailClassic@web126205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi everybody,   I currently use fastcase for my legal research mainly because it's free to me as a member of the Virginia State Bar.  I've found, however, that I'm unable to find decisions from Federal administrative agencies (e.g., the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission or the Merit Systems Protection Board.)  Unfortunately, MSPB's site has some 508 issues and I don't know where EEOC posts its decisions.  Bottom line is does anyone know where I can obtain decisions from these agencies? Where could I look to see if EEOC decisions from the late '90's are still valid or have been expanded/limited?  I know lexis and westlaw would do this nicely; but, as I said, fastcase is free and I use it sparingly in the line of work I'm in but once in awhile I gotta know this stuff and spending money on westlaw or lexis for sparing use would be a waste.   Thanks.   Mike From tim at timeldermusic.com Mon Jan 28 21:30:35 2013 From: tim at timeldermusic.com (Tim Elder) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:30:35 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Attorney Lunch in DC Message-ID: <003401cdfd9e$b57d72d0$20785870$@timeldermusic.com> Hi all, Please don't forget to RSVP to Tim Elder if you are interested in attending the lunch for blind lawyers and Washington DC on February 4. It would be very helpful if you could RSVP before Wednesday, January 30. The information is listed below. Hi all, I and a number of other blind attorneys will be informally getting together for a social/networking lunch on February 4 in Washington D.C. near the L'Enfant Plaza metro stop (SW). Several attorneys from the National Association of Blind Lawyers ("NABL") will be in D.C. to attend the NFB's Washington Seminar event. There are also quite a few blind attorneys living or working in the D.C. area. Some of us thought it would be fun to meet up for lunch and catch up with our fellow blind professionals. It should be a fun time for old acquaintances to reconnect and younger lawyers to meet new friends. Everyone is welcome. Please feel free to invite other blind attorneys or persons who might be interested. RSVP to telder at trelegal.com or 410.415.3493 with your contact information so I can send you the specific address. Once we know how many people are coming, we will make a noontime reservation at a place within walking distance of the metro stop. Regards, Timothy Elder Attorney TRE Legal Practice, LLC 1126 East 36th Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Phone: (410) 415-3493 Fax: (888) 718-0617 E-mail: telder at trelegal.com www.trelegal.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. Confidentiality Notice This e-mail may contain confidential information that may also be legally privileged and that is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized agent of the recipient, please be advised that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail, or taking of any action in reliance on the information contained herein, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by use of the Reply button, and then delete the e-mail from your system. Thank you! From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Wed Jan 30 15:06:54 2013 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:06:54 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Message-ID: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355DC7F@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> Greetings: This is to inquire into a good resource for on-line sharing of documents on the one hand, and an option that, in this regard, will actually work with JAWS. I do welcome any ideas or suggestions. A free option in this regard would be helpful. Thanks. Sincerely, Gary From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Jan 30 23:33:08 2013 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:33:08 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Seattle Director of Professional Accountability announcement Message-ID: Attached is a job announcement. Please forward. Thanks. [cid:image001.png at 01CDFEFD.5194F530] Joyce A. Ramsey Personnel Specialist Seattle City Attorney's Office 700 5th Avenue, Suite 5350 P.O. 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Name: City of Seattle OPA Brochure 1-13.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 1353500 bytes Desc: City of Seattle OPA Brochure 1-13.pdf URL: From kgborah at att.net Thu Jan 31 00:35:57 2013 From: kgborah at att.net (Kyle Borah) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:35:57 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing In-Reply-To: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355DC7F@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> References: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355DC7F@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> Message-ID: <002a01cdff4a$efbb3a60$cf31af20$@att.net> Drop box is good for sharing documents. But why don't you just attach them to an email? -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:07 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org); jason.perry at ssa.gov; ccrawford at starpower.net; Vanessa Lowery (vlowery at dhr.state.md.us) Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); srstarburst at aol.com; elaine at clarityresolutions.com Subject: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Greetings: This is to inquire into a good resource for on-line sharing of documents on the one hand, and an option that, in this regard, will actually work with JAWS. I do welcome any ideas or suggestions. A free option in this regard would be helpful. Thanks. Sincerely, Gary _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net From paulharpur at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 00:42:31 2013 From: paulharpur at gmail.com (Paul Harpur) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:42:31 +1000 Subject: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing In-Reply-To: <002a01cdff4a$efbb3a60$cf31af20$@att.net> References: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355DC7F@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> <002a01cdff4a$efbb3a60$cf31af20$@att.net> Message-ID: <000601cdff4b$dc766870$95633950$@com> I've had some e-mail servers block large attachments. Compressing files cann help reduce their size. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Borah Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:36 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Drop box is good for sharing documents. But why don't you just attach them to an email? -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:07 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org); jason.perry at ssa.gov; ccrawford at starpower.net; Vanessa Lowery (vlowery at dhr.state.md.us) Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); srstarburst at aol.com; elaine at clarityresolutions.com Subject: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Greetings: This is to inquire into a good resource for on-line sharing of documents on the one hand, and an option that, in this regard, will actually work with JAWS. I do welcome any ideas or suggestions. A free option in this regard would be helpful. Thanks. Sincerely, Gary _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov Thu Jan 31 12:58:20 2013 From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA)) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:58:20 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing Message-ID: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355E51D@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> Thanks. Notably, we do need to share documents on-line, having one central location to which people may access the information via password and ID number. So do I understand that Drop Box works with JAWS? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Harpur Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:43 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing I've had some e-mail servers block large attachments. Compressing files cann help reduce their size. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Borah Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:36 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Drop box is good for sharing documents. But why don't you just attach them to an email? -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:07 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org); jason.perry at ssa.gov; ccrawford at starpower.net; Vanessa Lowery (vlowery at dhr.state.md.us) Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); srstarburst at aol.com; elaine at clarityresolutions.com Subject: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Greetings: This is to inquire into a good resource for on-line sharing of documents on the one hand, and an option that, in this regard, will actually work with JAWS. I do welcome any ideas or suggestions. A free option in this regard would be helpful. Thanks. Sincerely, Gary _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs.gov From kgborah at att.net Thu Jan 31 13:54:20 2013 From: kgborah at att.net (Kyle Borah) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:54:20 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing In-Reply-To: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355E51D@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> References: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355E51D@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> Message-ID: <000601cdffba$78477000$68d65000$@att.net> Yes it does go to http://dropbox.com it works great. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:58 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List; Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); elaine at clarityresolutions.com Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing Thanks. Notably, we do need to share documents on-line, having one central location to which people may access the information via password and ID number. So do I understand that Drop Box works with JAWS? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Harpur Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:43 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing I've had some e-mail servers block large attachments. Compressing files cann help reduce their size. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Borah Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:36 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Drop box is good for sharing documents. But why don't you just attach them to an email? -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:07 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org); jason.perry at ssa.gov; ccrawford at starpower.net; Vanessa Lowery (vlowery at dhr.state.md.us) Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); srstarburst at aol.com; elaine at clarityresolutions.com Subject: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Greetings: This is to inquire into a good resource for on-line sharing of documents on the one hand, and an option that, in this regard, will actually work with JAWS. I do welcome any ideas or suggestions. A free option in this regard would be helpful. Thanks. Sincerely, Gary _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs. gov _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net From LBlake at nfb.org Thu Jan 31 14:18:15 2013 From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:18:15 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Registration is Now Open--2013 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Message-ID: <169538947A2BAC4694FA18579A4F87101503C1D3@BL2PRD0711MB397.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Registration is Now Open! for the 2013 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Push Forward and Push Back: Continuing the Struggle for the Right to Live in the World April 18-19, 2013 at the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute Baltimore, Maryland The 2013 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium will consist of plenary sessions and workshops facilitated by distinguished law professors, practitioners, and advocates who will discuss topics such as: the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, the impact of Olmstead on employment, transitioning from minor to adult in education, the status of Web sites as a place of public accommodation following Target and Netflix, and individual choice in decision making. 2013 plenary session presenters: * Curtis L. Decker, Executive Director, National Disability Rights Network * Robert Dinerstein, Professor of Law & Associate Dean for Experiential Education, and Director, Disability Rights Law Clinic, American University Washington College of Law * Kristin Booth Glen, Surrogate (retired), New York County Surrogate's Court * Daniel F. Goldstein, Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP * Judith E. Heumann, Special Advisor on International Disability Rights, United States Department of State (pending) * Arlene B. Mayerson, Directing Attorney, Disability Rights Education & Defense Fund * Ari Ne'eman, President, Autistic Self Advocacy Network * Eric Rosenthal, Executive Director, Disability Rights International * Fredric K. Schroeder, Research Professor, San Diego State University * Kathleen L. Wilde, Litigation Director, Disability Rights Oregon 2013 workshop facilitators: * Amy L. Allbright, Director, American Bar Association Commission on Disability Rights * Ira Burnim, Legal Director, Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law * Tina M. Campanella, Chief Executive Officer, Quality Trust for Individuals with Disabilities * Marc Charmatz, Senior Attorney, National Association of the Deaf * David Ferleger, Esquire, Law Office of David Ferleger * Leslie P. Francis, Associate Dean for Faculty Research and Development, S.J. Quinney College of Law, and Alfred C. Emery Distinguished Professor of Law and Distinguished Professor of Philosophy, University of Utah * E. Elaine Gardner, Project Director, Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs * Eden Heilman, Senior Staff Attorney, Southern Poverty Law Center * Peter Jaszi, Professor of Law and Faculty Director of the Glushko-Samuelson Intellectual Property Clinic, American University Washington College of Law * Marti Knisley, Director of the National Community Support Initiative, Technical Assistance Collaborative * Christopher Kuczynski, Assistant Legal Counsel, United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission * Scott LaBarre, Principal, LaBarre Law Offices, P.C. * Bill Lichtenstein, Parent and Journalist, Lichtenstein Creative Media * Jennifer Mathis, Assistant Legal Director, Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law * Paula D. Pearlman, Executive Director, Disability Rights Legal Center * Joseph B. Ryan, Associate Professor and Associate Director of Research and Outreach for the School of Education, Clemson University * Mehgan Sidhu, General Counsel, National Federation of the Blind * Daniel T. Vail, Esquire, United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission * Mark C. Weber, Vincent DePaul Professor of Law, DePaul University College of Law Documentation for CLE credits will be provided. Registration fee: $175 Student registration fee: $25 To learn more about the symposium and symposium sponsorship opportunities, view the agenda, and register online, please visit https://nfb.org/law-symposium . You may also download from this Web site a registration form to mail or fax. Hotel information is also available on the symposium Web site. For additional information, contact: Lou Ann Blake, JD Law Symposium Coordinator Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 Telephone: 410-659-9314, ext. 2221 E-mail: lblake at nfb.org Lou Ann Blake, J.D. Director of Outreach Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221 Fax: (410) 659-5129 E-mail: lblake at nfb.org Web site: www.nfb.org Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. From tmeloy at fuse.net Thu Jan 31 15:14:02 2013 From: tmeloy at fuse.net (Timothy J. Meloy) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:14:02 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Registration is Now Open--2013 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium In-Reply-To: <169538947A2BAC4694FA18579A4F87101503C1D3@BL2PRD0711MB397.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <169538947A2BAC4694FA18579A4F87101503C1D3@BL2PRD0711MB397.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <9E9E4634-8DD2-4231-9B91-A99851097B82@fuse.net> Sounds like a great seminar! Does anyone know if Ohio attorneys can receive continuing legal education credit? Also, does anyone know how many continuing legal education hours we will earn by attending? Thank you, TJ On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:18 AM, "Blake, Lou Ann" wrote: > Registration is Now Open! > > for the > > 2013 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium > > Push Forward and Push Back: Continuing the Struggle for the Right to Live in the World > > April 18-19, 2013 > at the > National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute > Baltimore, Maryland > > The 2013 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium will consist of plenary sessions and workshops facilitated by distinguished law professors, practitioners, and advocates who will discuss topics such as: the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, the impact of Olmstead on employment, transitioning from minor to adult in education, the status of Web sites as a place of public accommodation following Target and Netflix, and individual choice in decision making. > > 2013 plenary session presenters: > > > * Curtis L. Decker, Executive Director, National Disability Rights Network > * Robert Dinerstein, Professor of Law & Associate Dean for Experiential Education, and Director, Disability Rights Law Clinic, American University Washington College of Law > * Kristin Booth Glen, Surrogate (retired), New York County Surrogate's Court > * Daniel F. Goldstein, Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP > * Judith E. Heumann, Special Advisor on International Disability Rights, United States Department of State (pending) > * Arlene B. Mayerson, Directing Attorney, Disability Rights Education & Defense Fund > * Ari Ne'eman, President, Autistic Self Advocacy Network > * Eric Rosenthal, Executive Director, Disability Rights International > * Fredric K. Schroeder, Research Professor, San Diego State University > * Kathleen L. Wilde, Litigation Director, Disability Rights Oregon > > 2013 workshop facilitators: > > > * Amy L. Allbright, Director, American Bar Association Commission on Disability Rights > * Ira Burnim, Legal Director, Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law > * Tina M. Campanella, Chief Executive Officer, Quality Trust for Individuals with Disabilities > * Marc Charmatz, Senior Attorney, National Association of the Deaf > * David Ferleger, Esquire, Law Office of David Ferleger > * Leslie P. Francis, Associate Dean for Faculty Research and Development, S.J. Quinney College of Law, and Alfred C. Emery Distinguished Professor of Law and Distinguished Professor of Philosophy, University of Utah > * E. Elaine Gardner, Project Director, Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs > * Eden Heilman, Senior Staff Attorney, Southern Poverty Law Center > * Peter Jaszi, Professor of Law and Faculty Director of the Glushko-Samuelson Intellectual Property Clinic, American University Washington College of Law > * Marti Knisley, Director of the National Community Support Initiative, Technical Assistance Collaborative > * Christopher Kuczynski, Assistant Legal Counsel, United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission > * Scott LaBarre, Principal, LaBarre Law Offices, P.C. > * Bill Lichtenstein, Parent and Journalist, Lichtenstein Creative Media > * Jennifer Mathis, Assistant Legal Director, Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law > * Paula D. Pearlman, Executive Director, Disability Rights Legal Center > * Joseph B. Ryan, Associate Professor and Associate Director of Research and Outreach for the School of Education, Clemson University > * Mehgan Sidhu, General Counsel, National Federation of the Blind > * Daniel T. Vail, Esquire, United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission > * Mark C. Weber, Vincent DePaul Professor of Law, DePaul University College of Law > > Documentation for CLE credits will be provided. > > Registration fee: $175 > Student registration fee: $25 > > To learn more about the symposium and symposium sponsorship opportunities, view the agenda, and register online, please visit https://nfb.org/law-symposium . You may also download from this Web site a registration form to mail or fax. Hotel information is also available on the symposium Web site. > > For additional information, contact: > > Lou Ann Blake, JD > Law Symposium Coordinator > Jernigan Institute > NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND > 200 East Wells Street > at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, Maryland 21230 > Telephone: 410-659-9314, ext. 2221 > E-mail: lblake at nfb.org > > > > Lou Ann Blake, J.D. > Director of Outreach > Jernigan Institute > NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND > 200 East Wells Street > at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, MD 21230 > Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221 > Fax: (410) 659-5129 > E-mail: lblake at nfb.org > Web site: www.nfb.org > > Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tmeloy%40fuse.net From LBlake at nfb.org Thu Jan 31 15:31:08 2013 From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:31:08 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Registration is Now Open--2013 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium In-Reply-To: <9E9E4634-8DD2-4231-9B91-A99851097B82@fuse.net> References: <169538947A2BAC4694FA18579A4F87101503C1D3@BL2PRD0711MB397.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <9E9E4634-8DD2-4231-9B91-A99851097B82@fuse.net> Message-ID: <169538947A2BAC4694FA18579A4F87101503C344@BL2PRD0711MB397.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> I don't know if anyone who attended prior tenBroek symposia has applied for Ohio CLE. I do know that CLE credit for past tenBroek symposia has been approved in Pennsylvania, Minnesota, and California. I am sure there are other states that I don't know about. The number of hours depends on the state. Lou Ann Blake, J.D. Director of Outreach Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street     at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221 Fax: (410) 659-5129 E-mail: lblake at nfb.org Web site: www.nfb.org   Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Registration is Now Open--2013 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Sounds like a great seminar! Does anyone know if Ohio attorneys can receive continuing legal education credit? Also, does anyone know how many continuing legal education hours we will earn by attending? Thank you, TJ On Jan 31, 2013, at 9:18 AM, "Blake, Lou Ann" wrote: > Registration is Now Open! > > for the > > 2013 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium > > Push Forward and Push Back: Continuing the Struggle for the Right to > Live in the World > > April 18-19, 2013 > at the > National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute Baltimore, > Maryland > > The 2013 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium will consist of plenary sessions and workshops facilitated by distinguished law professors, practitioners, and advocates who will discuss topics such as: the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, the impact of Olmstead on employment, transitioning from minor to adult in education, the status of Web sites as a place of public accommodation following Target and Netflix, and individual choice in decision making. > > 2013 plenary session presenters: > > > * Curtis L. Decker, Executive Director, National Disability Rights Network > * Robert Dinerstein, Professor of Law & Associate Dean for Experiential Education, and Director, Disability Rights Law Clinic, American University Washington College of Law > * Kristin Booth Glen, Surrogate (retired), New York County Surrogate's Court > * Daniel F. Goldstein, Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP > * Judith E. Heumann, Special Advisor on International Disability Rights, United States Department of State (pending) > * Arlene B. Mayerson, Directing Attorney, Disability Rights Education & Defense Fund > * Ari Ne'eman, President, Autistic Self Advocacy Network > * Eric Rosenthal, Executive Director, Disability Rights International > * Fredric K. Schroeder, Research Professor, San Diego State University > * Kathleen L. Wilde, Litigation Director, Disability Rights Oregon > > 2013 workshop facilitators: > > > * Amy L. Allbright, Director, American Bar Association Commission on Disability Rights > * Ira Burnim, Legal Director, Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law > * Tina M. Campanella, Chief Executive Officer, Quality Trust for Individuals with Disabilities > * Marc Charmatz, Senior Attorney, National Association of the Deaf > * David Ferleger, Esquire, Law Office of David Ferleger > * Leslie P. Francis, Associate Dean for Faculty Research and Development, S.J. Quinney College of Law, and Alfred C. Emery Distinguished Professor of Law and Distinguished Professor of Philosophy, University of Utah > * E. Elaine Gardner, Project Director, Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs > * Eden Heilman, Senior Staff Attorney, Southern Poverty Law Center > * Peter Jaszi, Professor of Law and Faculty Director of the Glushko-Samuelson Intellectual Property Clinic, American University Washington College of Law > * Marti Knisley, Director of the National Community Support Initiative, Technical Assistance Collaborative > * Christopher Kuczynski, Assistant Legal Counsel, United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission > * Scott LaBarre, Principal, LaBarre Law Offices, P.C. > * Bill Lichtenstein, Parent and Journalist, Lichtenstein Creative Media > * Jennifer Mathis, Assistant Legal Director, Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law > * Paula D. Pearlman, Executive Director, Disability Rights Legal Center > * Joseph B. Ryan, Associate Professor and Associate Director of Research and Outreach for the School of Education, Clemson University > * Mehgan Sidhu, General Counsel, National Federation of the Blind > * Daniel T. Vail, Esquire, United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission > * Mark C. Weber, Vincent DePaul Professor of Law, DePaul University College of Law > > Documentation for CLE credits will be provided. > > Registration fee: $175 > Student registration fee: $25 > > To learn more about the symposium and symposium sponsorship opportunities, view the agenda, and register online, please visit https://nfb.org/law-symposium . You may also download from this Web site a registration form to mail or fax. Hotel information is also available on the symposium Web site. > > For additional information, contact: > > Lou Ann Blake, JD > Law Symposium Coordinator > Jernigan Institute > NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND > 200 East Wells Street > at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, Maryland 21230 > Telephone: 410-659-9314, ext. 2221 > E-mail: lblake at nfb.org > > > > Lou Ann Blake, J.D. > Director of Outreach > Jernigan Institute > NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND > 200 East Wells Street > at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, MD 21230 > Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221 > Fax: (410) 659-5129 > E-mail: lblake at nfb.org > Web site: www.nfb.org > > Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tmeloy%40fuse.ne > t _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lblake%40nfb.org From william_t_miller at hotmail.com Thu Jan 31 18:28:54 2013 From: william_t_miller at hotmail.com (William T. Miller) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:28:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing In-Reply-To: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355E51D@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> References: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355E51D@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> Message-ID: A peripheral issue is the security of the file sharing service and whether the privacy policy offers adequate protection of privileged information. Has anyone looked into these issues with Drop Box or any other service? I haven't used any file sharing services yet out of confidentiality concerns, opting to snailmail files on a flash drive instead. - Will Miller -----Original Message----- From: Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) [mailto:Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:58 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List; Blind Law Mailing List(blindlaw at nfbnet.org) Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); elaine at clarityresolutions.com Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing Thanks. Notably, we do need to share documents on-line, having one central location to which people may access the information via password and ID number. So do I understand that Drop Box works with JAWS? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Harpur Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:43 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing I've had some e-mail servers block large attachments. Compressing files cann help reduce their size. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Borah Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:36 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Drop box is good for sharing documents. But why don't you just attach them to an email? -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:07 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org); jason.perry at ssa.gov; ccrawford at starpower.net; Vanessa Lowery (vlowery at dhr.state.md.us) Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); srstarburst at aol.com; elaine at clarityresolutions.com Subject: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Greetings: This is to inquire into a good resource for on-line sharing of documents on the one hand, and an option that, in this regard, will actually work with JAWS. I do welcome any ideas or suggestions. A free option in this regard would be helpful. Thanks. Sincerely, Gary _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs. gov From attorney at alcidonislaw.com Thu Jan 31 19:00:52 2013 From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esquire) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:00:52 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing In-Reply-To: References: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355E51D@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> Message-ID: <3630CCD15BFC4C748B0EE47F871E0B80@AlcidonisLawPC> Dropbox presented a confidentiality issue a few years ago but they have since taken proper steps to address the concerns. They have implemented a more secured login system, etc. There are now solutions to allow you to secretly incript data before the data gets uploaded onto Dropbox. I use it everyday for my office. Rod Alcidonis, Esquire Alcidonis Law Office 2824 Cottman Avenue Suite 15 Philadelphia, PA 19149 Phone: (215) 305-8085 Work e-mail: attorney at alcidonislaw.com Listserv: lawoffice at alcidonislaw.com http://alcidonislaw.com Licensed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey -----Original Message----- From: William T. Miller Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:28 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing A peripheral issue is the security of the file sharing service and whether the privacy policy offers adequate protection of privileged information. Has anyone looked into these issues with Drop Box or any other service? I haven't used any file sharing services yet out of confidentiality concerns, opting to snailmail files on a flash drive instead. - Will Miller -----Original Message----- From: Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) [mailto:Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:58 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List; Blind Law Mailing List(blindlaw at nfbnet.org) Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); elaine at clarityresolutions.com Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing Thanks. Notably, we do need to share documents on-line, having one central location to which people may access the information via password and ID number. So do I understand that Drop Box works with JAWS? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Harpur Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:43 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing I've had some e-mail servers block large attachments. Compressing files cann help reduce their size. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Borah Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:36 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Drop box is good for sharing documents. But why don't you just attach them to an email? -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:07 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org); jason.perry at ssa.gov; ccrawford at starpower.net; Vanessa Lowery (vlowery at dhr.state.md.us) Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); srstarburst at aol.com; elaine at clarityresolutions.com Subject: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing Greetings: This is to inquire into a good resource for on-line sharing of documents on the one hand, and an option that, in this regard, will actually work with JAWS. I do welcome any ideas or suggestions. A free option in this regard would be helpful. Thanks. Sincerely, Gary _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs. gov _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonislaw.com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 21:57:46 2013 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:57:46 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing In-Reply-To: <3630CCD15BFC4C748B0EE47F871E0B80@AlcidonisLawPC> References: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355E51D@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> <3630CCD15BFC4C748B0EE47F871E0B80@AlcidonisLawPC> Message-ID: privacy and security issues are fundamental here. I would have real concerns about dropbox On 1/31/13, Rod Alcidonis, Esquire wrote: > Dropbox presented a confidentiality issue a few years ago but they have > since taken proper steps to address the concerns. They have implemented a > more secured login system, etc. There are now solutions to allow you to > secretly incript data before the data gets uploaded onto Dropbox. I use it > everyday for my office. > > Rod Alcidonis, Esquire > Alcidonis Law Office > 2824 Cottman Avenue > Suite 15 > Philadelphia, PA 19149 > Phone: (215) 305-8085 > Work e-mail: attorney at alcidonislaw.com > Listserv: lawoffice at alcidonislaw.com > http://alcidonislaw.com > > Licensed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey > -----Original Message----- > From: William T. Miller > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:28 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing > > A peripheral issue is the security of the file sharing service and whether > the privacy policy offers adequate protection of privileged information. > Has > anyone looked into these issues with Drop Box or any other service? I > haven't used any file sharing services yet out of confidentiality concerns, > opting to snailmail files on a flash drive instead. > - Will Miller > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) [mailto:Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:58 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List; Blind Law Mailing List(blindlaw at nfbnet.org) > Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); elaine at clarityresolutions.com > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing > > Thanks. Notably, we do need to share documents on-line, having one central > location to which people may access the information via password and ID > number. So do I understand that Drop Box works with JAWS? Thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul > Harpur > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:43 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing > > I've had some e-mail servers block large attachments. Compressing files > cann help reduce their size. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Borah > Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:36 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing > > Drop box is good for sharing documents. But why don't you just attach them > to an email? > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Norman, > Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:07 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org); jason.perry at ssa.gov; > ccrawford at starpower.net; Vanessa Lowery (vlowery at dhr.state.md.us) > Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); srstarburst at aol.com; > elaine at clarityresolutions.com > Subject: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing > > Greetings: > > > > This is to inquire into a good resource for on-line sharing of documents on > the one hand, and an option that, in this regard, will actually work with > JAWS. I do welcome any ideas or suggestions. A free option in this regard > would be helpful. Thanks. > > > Sincerely, > Gary > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs. > gov > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcidonislaw.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From kgborah at att.net Thu Jan 31 23:20:42 2013 From: kgborah at att.net (Kyle Borah) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:20:42 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing In-Reply-To: References: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D0355E51D@PL-EMSMB12.ees.hhs.gov> <3630CCD15BFC4C748B0EE47F871E0B80@AlcidonisLawPC> Message-ID: <000001ce0009$979fa1d0$c6dee570$@att.net> Well, if you could tell us what you are trying to do, we can help you better. Basically you can share folders with people and stuff, then it will sink and you can track changes in documents. Or you can give people links for documents for people to download. Its very secure. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:58 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing privacy and security issues are fundamental here. I would have real concerns about dropbox On 1/31/13, Rod Alcidonis, Esquire wrote: > Dropbox presented a confidentiality issue a few years ago but they > have since taken proper steps to address the concerns. They have > implemented a more secured login system, etc. There are now solutions > to allow you to secretly incript data before the data gets uploaded > onto Dropbox. I use it everyday for my office. > > Rod Alcidonis, Esquire > Alcidonis Law Office > 2824 Cottman Avenue > Suite 15 > Philadelphia, PA 19149 > Phone: (215) 305-8085 > Work e-mail: attorney at alcidonislaw.com > Listserv: lawoffice at alcidonislaw.com > http://alcidonislaw.com > > Licensed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey -----Original Message----- > From: William T. Miller > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:28 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing > > A peripheral issue is the security of the file sharing service and > whether the privacy policy offers adequate protection of privileged information. > Has > anyone looked into these issues with Drop Box or any other service? I > haven't used any file sharing services yet out of confidentiality > concerns, opting to snailmail files on a flash drive instead. > - Will Miller > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) [mailto:Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov] > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:58 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List; Blind Law Mailing > List(blindlaw at nfbnet.org) > Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); > elaine at clarityresolutions.com > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Inquiry - Document Sharing > > Thanks. Notably, we do need to share documents on-line, having one > central location to which people may access the information via > password and ID number. So do I understand that Drop Box works with JAWS? Thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul > Harpur > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:43 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing > > I've had some e-mail servers block large attachments. Compressing > files cann help reduce their size. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blind law [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kyle > Borah > Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:36 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing > > Drop box is good for sharing documents. But why don't you just attach > them to an email? > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA) > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:07 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org); jason.perry at ssa.gov; > ccrawford at starpower.net; Vanessa Lowery (vlowery at dhr.state.md.us) > Cc: Joshua Friedman (jterpslaw at gmail.com); srstarburst at aol.com; > elaine at clarityresolutions.com > Subject: [blindlaw] Inquiry - Document Sharing > > Greetings: > > > > This is to inquire into a good resource for on-line sharing of > documents on the one hand, and an option that, in this regard, will > actually work with JAWS. I do welcome any ideas or suggestions. A free > option in this regard would be helpful. Thanks. > > > Sincerely, > Gary > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.ne > t > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gary.norman%40cms.hhs. > gov > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/attorney%40alcid > onislaw.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%4 > 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgborah%40att.net From emrene at earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 19:07:00 2013 From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:07:00 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Re Moral Support Message-ID: Hi Robert, This is Elizabeth, your cheerleader in your effort to get commissioned as an officer in the Coast Guard, writing to wish you well as you take on the Texas Bar Exam. Go get 'em! I'm taking the Washington Bar Exam this month too, but I passed the thing in 1980 and (foolishly, I think now) went away after 16 years to do something else. I'm taking my exam in Braille this time, with great cooperation from the WSBA. But I've learned my lesson: once you pass the bar, don't pass it again! Keep on moving! With your drive and determination, you're bound to do well. Hang in there! Elizabeth