[blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US

Sun Jan 13 13:41:32 UTC 2013

Thanks Paul.

Things work a little bit different here, the bachelor takes five years to be completed.

After finishing the JD, can US students take the bar exam?

Regards.
Marcos Rodrigues
mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com

Em 13/01/2013, às 00:50, Paul Wick escreveu:

> Marcos,
> 
> No problem, the JD (Juris Doctor, or Doctor of Jurisprudence) is the
> first degree granted by U.S. law schools, it takes 3 years full-time
> study or 4 years part-time. This degree was simply a re-naming of the
> former Bachelor of Laws degree by American law schools in the 1960's
> to make the degree seem more prestigious. Historically the JD had been
> granted by some schools following a research dissertation (in place of
> the LLM.) The highest law degree (i.e. doctoral level) which very few
> have is the SJD (Scientiae Juridicae Doctor, or Doctor of Juritical
> Science.)
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Paul S. Wick, Esq.
> 
> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Paul:
>> 
>> This LLM in American Law is exactly what I am looking for, I will check
>> Golden Gate.
>> 
>> SF is a very interesting city to live for one year, so it is worth checking
>> schools there (I think Stanford and UC Berkley are very hard for me to be
>> accepted, so Golden Gates or UC Astings might better options).
>> 
>> Let me ask another question that may look like stupid but it is something
>> that I really don't know: what is the difference between Law school
>> graduation (which I think takes four years in the US and five here in
>> Brazil) and this JD program that you and all the schools website talk
>> about?
>> Is this JD something like a masters in law or something different (I don't
>> think we have this in Brazil).
>> 
>> Regards.
>> Marcos Rodrigues
>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Em 12/01/2013, às 22:34, Paul Wick escreveu:
>> 
>>> Adam,
>>> 
>>> I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of Law
>>> in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience with
>>> accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very fortunate to
>>> be working part-time doing Social Security Disability appeals, but I
>>> am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for other options. It
>>> has also been my experience that there just aren't any jobs out there,
>>> and those that exist require experience I don't have.
>>> 
>>> Marcos,
>>> 
>>> My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, but
>>> the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the LLM in
>>> Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our U.S. Legal
>>> Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil law countries who
>>> want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) I had a few of these
>>> students in my classes, and they were really interesting people.
>>> 
>>> As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An LLM
>>> costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested I do
>>> their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal government and
>>> scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM tuition over the 3
>>> years of law school which I think is about the proper cost of a legal
>>> education. I said that I just didn't think the cost-benefit analysis
>>> made it worth pursuing. This was followed by total silence on my
>>> professors’ part.
>>> 
>>> Just my thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Paul S. Wick, Esq.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi:
>>>> 
>>>> I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law.
>>>> 
>>>> I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the New York
>>>> Bar
>>>> Examination after the LLM if everything work out the way I am planning.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards.
>>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu:
>>>> 
>>>>> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is what
>>>>> do
>>>>> you envision doing with a LLM degree?   Are you interested in an
>>>>> academic
>>>>> / teaching career?  If so, in the United States or elsewhere?   If so,
>>>>> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM
>>>>> program
>>>>> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process.   If you want an
>>>>> LLM
>>>>> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in to
>>>>> hiring and promotional opportunities.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an
>>>>> undergraduate
>>>>> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree.  Although I
>>>>> graduated
>>>>> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM program
>>>>> at
>>>>> Berkeley Law School.  The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown and
>>>>> highly competitive.   Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley are
>>>>> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial
>>>>> administration
>>>>> careers.   Several LLM students are on foregin government or US State
>>>>> Department sponsored programs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt Hall
>>>>> I
>>>>> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability and
>>>>> access for students.   The law school has had previous JD students who
>>>>> are
>>>>> blind and visually impaired.   There are great support systems for
>>>>> students on campus and in the community at large.
>>>>> 
>>>>> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course offerings,
>>>>> but
>>>>> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class.  Basically, will
>>>>> you make the kind of  contacts in an LLM program that will benefit you
>>>>> throughout your legal career.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope these commens of of some assistance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez
>>>>> Boalt Hall "79
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman <adam.zimmerman719 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marco,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school
>>>>>>> matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on my
>>>>>>> background as a legal recruiter working externally with large firms
>>>>>>> prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in
>>>>>>> downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM program
>>>>>>> though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a
>>>>>>> lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for
>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>> with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school that
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality and
>>>>>>> attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law
>>>>>>> provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal
>>>>>>> education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure I
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any
>>>>>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's
>>>>>>> experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have had
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in every
>>>>>>> graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope that's helpful.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues
>>>>>>> <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi listers:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would like
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> know about good law schools in the US.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what law
>>>>>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation
>>>>>>>> degree
>>>>>>>> or LLM?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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