[blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US

Tai Blas taiablas at gmail.com
Sun Jan 13 23:59:28 UTC 2013


Regarding this question, See the rules for New York bar eligibility at:
http://www.nybarexam.org/Eligible/Eligibility.htm#F
Relevant sections pasted below, but see Rules of the Court of Appeals
Section 520.6 at:
http://www.nybarexam.org/Rules/Rules.htm#520.6

FOREIGN LAW SCHOOL STUDY

 Section 520.6 of the Rules of the Court of Appeals for the Admission of
Attorneys and Counselors at Law contains the eligibility requirements for
applicants who wish to qualify for the New York State bar examination based
on the study of law in a foreign country. Compliance with the requirements
of the Rules of the Court of Appeals must be proved to the satisfaction of
the Board before an applicant may be permitted to sit for the bar
examination. For more detailed information concerning the eligibility
requirements for foreign educated attorneys, individuals should carefully
review Rule 520.6 and the information located in the Foreign Legal Education
section of this website


Tai
 

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From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US

Does a non-US law graduate have to do an LLM in order to sit the New York
Bar?

On 1/13/13, Paul Wick <wickps at gmail.com> wrote:
> Marcos,
>
> Yes, the JD degree is the only law degree U.S. students must have 
> before taking a bar examination. Generally speaking this must be 
> preceded by a bachelor's degree in any subject. unlike most other 
> countries there is not generally a mandatory period of apprenticeship 
> (except I believe in Delaware and Vermont), so upon passing the bar 
> exam and satisfying the particular state that you possess good moral 
> character and making the prescribed  oath or affirmation you are 
> entitled to practice law.
>
> Best,
>
> Paul S. Wick, Esq.
>
> On 1/13/13, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Paul.
>>
>> Things work a little bit different here, the bachelor takes five 
>> years to be completed.
>>
>> After finishing the JD, can US students take the bar exam?
>>
>> Regards.
>> Marcos Rodrigues
>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Em 13/01/2013, às 00:50, Paul Wick escreveu:
>>
>>> Marcos,
>>>
>>> No problem, the JD (Juris Doctor, or Doctor of Jurisprudence) is the 
>>> first degree granted by U.S. law schools, it takes 3 years full-time 
>>> study or 4 years part-time. This degree was simply a re-naming of 
>>> the former Bachelor of Laws degree by American law schools in the 
>>> 1960's to make the degree seem more prestigious. Historically the JD 
>>> had been granted by some schools following a research dissertation 
>>> (in place of the LLM.) The highest law degree (i.e. doctoral level) 
>>> which very few have is the SJD (Scientiae Juridicae Doctor, or 
>>> Doctor of Juritical
>>> Science.)
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Paul S. Wick, Esq.
>>>
>>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Paul:
>>>>
>>>> This LLM in American Law is exactly what I am looking for, I will 
>>>> check Golden Gate.
>>>>
>>>> SF is a very interesting city to live for one year, so it is worth 
>>>> checking schools there (I think Stanford and UC Berkley are very 
>>>> hard for me to be accepted, so Golden Gates or UC Astings might 
>>>> better options).
>>>>
>>>> Let me ask another question that may look like stupid but it is 
>>>> something that I really don't know: what is the difference between 
>>>> Law school graduation (which I think takes four years in the US and 
>>>> five here in
>>>> Brazil) and this JD program that you and all the schools website 
>>>> talk about?
>>>> Is this JD something like a masters in law or something different 
>>>> (I don't think we have this in Brazil).
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 22:34, Paul Wick escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>> Adam,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of 
>>>>> Law in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience 
>>>>> with accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very 
>>>>> fortunate to be working part-time doing Social Security Disability 
>>>>> appeals, but I am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for 
>>>>> other options. It has also been my experience that there just 
>>>>> aren't any jobs out there, and those that exist require experience I
don't have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcos,
>>>>>
>>>>> My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, 
>>>>> but the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the 
>>>>> LLM in Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our 
>>>>> U.S. Legal Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil 
>>>>> law countries who want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) 
>>>>> I had a few of these students in my classes, and they were really
interesting people.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An 
>>>>> LLM costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested 
>>>>> I do their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal 
>>>>> government and scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM 
>>>>> tuition over the 3 years of law school which I think is about the 
>>>>> proper cost of a legal education. I said that I just didn't think 
>>>>> the cost-benefit analysis made it worth pursuing. This was 
>>>>> followed by total silence on my professors’ part.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Paul S. Wick, Esq.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the 
>>>>>> New York Bar Examination after the LLM if everything work out the 
>>>>>> way I am planning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question 
>>>>>>> is what do
>>>>>>> you envision doing with a LLM degree?   Are you interested in an
>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>> / teaching career?  If so, in the United States or elsewhere?   If
>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's 
>>>>>>> LLM program
>>>>>>> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process.   If you want an
>>>>>>> LLM
>>>>>>> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor 
>>>>>>> in to hiring and promotional opportunities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an 
>>>>>>> undergraduate and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree.  
>>>>>>> Although I graduated many years ago did not purse an LLM I am 
>>>>>>> familiar with the LLM program at Berkeley Law School.  The LLM 
>>>>>>> program at Berkeley is world renown and
>>>>>>> highly competitive.   Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial 
>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>> careers.   Several LLM students are on foregin government or US
>>>>>>> State
>>>>>>> Department sponsored programs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from 
>>>>>>> Boalt Hall I remain in close contact with the University on 
>>>>>>> issues of disability and
>>>>>>> access for students.   The law school has had previous JD students
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> blind and visually impaired.   There are great support systems for
>>>>>>> students on campus and in the community at large.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course 
>>>>>>> offerings, but access to professors and the make up of the LLM 
>>>>>>> class.  Basically, will you make the kind of  contacts in an LLM 
>>>>>>> program that will benefit you throughout your legal career.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope these commens of of some assistance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez
>>>>>>> Boalt Hall "79
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman 
>>>>>>>> <adam.zimmerman719 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marco,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law 
>>>>>>>>> school matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that 
>>>>>>>>> statement on my background as a legal recruiter working 
>>>>>>>>> externally with large firms prior to law school. I attended 
>>>>>>>>> Suffolk University Law School in downtown Boston which has a 
>>>>>>>>> highly regarded international LLM program though the law 
>>>>>>>>> school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I had a lousy 
>>>>>>>>> undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for 
>>>>>>>>> students with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal 
>>>>>>>>> arts school that does not have a law school and I was 
>>>>>>>>> thoroughly amazed at the quality and attentiveness of the 
>>>>>>>>> Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law provided. I could 
>>>>>>>>> not have asked for better partners in my legal education. They 
>>>>>>>>> went above and beyond on a regular basis to ensure I had all 
>>>>>>>>> my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with any 
>>>>>>>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk 
>>>>>>>>> Law's experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say 
>>>>>>>>> they have had at least one blind or visually impaired student 
>>>>>>>>> matriculated in every graduating class from 2010 to the 
>>>>>>>>> present 1L class of 2015.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope that's helpful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues 
>>>>>>>>> <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi listers:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and 
>>>>>>>>>> would like to know about good law schools in the US.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in 
>>>>>>>>>> what law school did you take your law course degree and post 
>>>>>>>>>> graduation degree or LLM?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>>>>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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