[blindlaw] 10 tips for getting noticed by recruiters

Fri Jun 28 19:13:17 UTC 2013

Noel,

As I see it There are basically two kinds of lawyers (1) people who
work for big law and its imitators, that don't care about bringing in
business (except for the few who make partner)

and
(2) the entire rest of the legal profession (where I'd gather most
blind lawyers are concentrated) where the ability to sell yourself is
essential, something not emphasized enough in law school.)

I do recognize that working in government is more like (1) than (2)
but this also depends on the level of government one seeks entry to.

Best,

Paul
On 6/28/13, Nightingale, Noel <Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov> wrote:
> My experience is being hired by a national firm with a mid-size office in
> Seattle was that I was not expected to be bringing business.  The
> expectation was that I would be billing hours, and lots of them.
>
> Noel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rod
> Alcidonis, Esq.
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:30 AM
> To: tim at timeldermusic.com; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 10 tips for getting noticed by recruiters
>
> Dan:
>
> You said: "
> And, if a prestigious firm is looking to hire someone with some experience,
> my bet is that the person hired has a significant corporate client that will
> come with him/her to the firm."
>
> That's exactly how it works, prestigious or not. If you are going to join a
> firm and not as a newbie associate, you better have some business to bring
> with you as part of the deal.
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel McBride
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 10:22 AM
> To: tim at timeldermusic.com ; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 10 tips for getting noticed by recruiters
>
> Tim:
>
> I am in no position to disagree with your suggestions.  However, if your
> suggestions have validity, this would represent a significant change since
> 1980.
>
> And, if a prestigious firm is looking to hire someone with some experience,
> my bet is that the person hired has a significant corporate client that will
> come with him/her to the firm.
>
> Finally, over the past 30 years, the prestigious firms have only grown in
> size and opened more offices in more major cities in America and around the
> world.  As long as corporations run this world, I do not foresee their legal
> representation waning.
>
> But, again, that's just my 2 cents worth.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:54 PM
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 10 tips for getting noticed by recruiters
>
> I'm not sure both a top ranking and a top school are both necessary.  My
> opinion is that one or the other will suffice for large or prestigious
> firms.
>
> Also, once you've been out for a couple years and develop a special skill
> set the pedigree is less important.  Then the head hunters start calling
> you.
>
> The more important question becomes whether Big Law is an environment in
> which you want to work.  Many, if not most, associates burn out after 3 to 4
> years and either leave the legal profession entirely or find other career
> paths (in house, government, smaller firms, etc.).  I think the legal market
> is changing and many small to mid-level firms will thrive.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angela Matney [mailto:amatney at hf-law.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:20 PM
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 10 tips for getting noticed by recruiters
>
> Hi Dan:
>
> I don't know Virginia's rank now, but when I was there, it was in the top
> 10. Certainly, some firms have more stringent requirements than others, but
> the article referred to "Big Law" (note the capitalization). Many of my
> classmates who were not in the top 5% got Big Law jobs. My point was that
> not all "Big Law" jobs are foreclosed to people who did not graduate in the
> top 5% of a top-10 law school (and I know this because I attended such a
> school).
>
> Best,
>
> Angie
>
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daniel
> McBride
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:12 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: [blindlaw] 10 tips for getting noticed by recruiters
>
> When I was working for the corporate firm in my freshman year of law school,
> the firm name was Liddell, Sapp, Zivley, Brown & LaBoon.  Next to Fulbright
> & Jaworski and Vinson & Elkins, it was the third largest firm in Houston,
> with offices in Austin, Dallas and Washington, D.C.  At that time, Locke &
> Purnell was the largest firm in Dallas, with offices in Austin and
> Washington, D.C.  Lord & Bissell was a large corporate firm out of Chicago,
> with offices in the United States, London and Hong Kong.
>
>
>
> Somewhere along the line, Locke & Purnell merged with Lord & Bissell.
> Shortly thereafter, Locke, Lord & Bissell merged with Liddell, Sapp.  The
> firm is now Locke, Lord, Bissell & Liddell, with offices in 13 cities in
> America, London and Hong Kong.
>
>
>
> While employed at Liddell, Sapp, part of my job duties involved the
> recruiting and hiring of new associates for fall and spring hiring classes.
> I can tell you that their list of 'acceptable' law schools included the Ivy
> League, Michigan, Stanford, Notre Dame, Illinois, UC Berkeley, Texas, Texas
> Tech, Baylor & SMU to name a few.
>
>
>
> And you had to graduate Magna Cum Laude or Summa Cum Laude to be
> considered.
>
>
>
> I'm sure there are exceptions to every rule.  However, the top notch law
> firms in this country recruit graduates only from the most prestigious
> schools who are at the top of their class.
>
>
>
> Angie, with all due respect to your alma mater, I cannot say that I have any
> idea where Virginia ranks.  However, I would not believe it to be in the
> top
> 20 to 30 schools.  But, that's just a guess.  With all due respect to my
> alma mater (South Texas College of Law), it isn't even on the list, and a
> South Texas grad can forget about it.  And, perhaps, we might differ on what
> is meant by a 'top' firm.  I am talking 'elite' firms such as Fulbright &
> Jaworski, Vinson & Elkins and Locke Lord.  To get into one of these firms,
> you best attend an Ivy League school and graduate no less than Magna Cum
> Laude.
>
>
>
> Now, of course, if one should attend any ABA accredited law school, graduate
> Cum Laude and have an uncle or aunt in Congress, or a top executive at a
> Wall Street firm, then they can probably be an exception to the general
> rule.
>
>
>
> And, if you lack these credentials, the other 10 tips are of little value.
> That's just my 2 cents worth.
>
>
>
> Dan McBride
>
> Fort Worth, Texas
>
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