From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  1 02:45:55 2013
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:45:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Black's Law Dictionary
Message-ID: <000701ce4616$012e7610$038b6230$@sbcglobal.net>

Colleagues:

 

I spoke with a Westlaw rep today about Black's Law Dictionary, Ninth
Edition.  It is available in hardback.  It is not available as an E book,
nor in any other digital cd or flash drive format.

 

I asked if it happened to be available in braille.  He did not know, said he
will inquire and get back with me.

 

Any general thoughts out there?

 

Daniel McBride, Attorney

Fort Worth, Texas

 


From rdittman at stmarytx.edu  Wed May  1 05:19:00 2013
From: rdittman at stmarytx.edu (Dittman, Robert)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 05:19:00 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Black's Law Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <000701ce4616$012e7610$038b6230$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000701ce4616$012e7610$038b6230$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <43AB9562-DCED-4166-BADD-55F8C4BC7B7C@stmarytx.edu>

Dan,

Black's law is an app for your iphone if you happen to have that phone.

Hope this helps.



Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2013, at 21:46, "Daniel McBride" <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Colleagues:
> 
> 
> 
> I spoke with a Westlaw rep today about Black's Law Dictionary, Ninth
> Edition.  It is available in hardback.  It is not available as an E book,
> nor in any other digital cd or flash drive format.
> 
> 
> 
> I asked if it happened to be available in braille.  He did not know, said he
> will inquire and get back with me.
> 
> 
> 
> Any general thoughts out there?
> 
> 
> 
> Daniel McBride, Attorney
> 
> Fort Worth, Texas
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From rdittman at stmarytx.edu  Wed May  1 05:27:07 2013
From: rdittman at stmarytx.edu (Dittman, Robert)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 05:27:07 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] looking for braille dictionary
In-Reply-To: <43AB9562-DCED-4166-BADD-55F8C4BC7B7C@stmarytx.edu>
References: <000701ce4616$012e7610$038b6230$@sbcglobal.net>,
	<43AB9562-DCED-4166-BADD-55F8C4BC7B7C@stmarytx.edu>
Message-ID: <F1608DBF-A8C3-4535-AE91-479DD7BC9707@stmarytx.edu>

Friends,

 I would very much like to own an old braille dictionary.  You remember the one that is 100 volumes or so.  If you have one that you would but willing to pass on for me to use, and I will use it, please let me know.

Also, I also want to collect other braille books as well to improve my braille reading and enjoy reading the old braille.

 thanks and they will look very nice on the book shelves of my new law office.

I will let you know if I passed the bar in two days.



Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2013, at 0:22, "Dittman, Robert" <rdittman at stmarytx.edu> wrote:

> Dan,
> 
> Black's law is an app for your iphone if you happen to have that phone.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 21:46, "Daniel McBride" <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> Colleagues:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I spoke with a Westlaw rep today about Black's Law Dictionary, Ninth
>> Edition.  It is available in hardback.  It is not available as an E book,
>> nor in any other digital cd or flash drive format.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I asked if it happened to be available in braille.  He did not know, said he
>> will inquire and get back with me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any general thoughts out there?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Daniel McBride, Attorney
>> 
>> Fort Worth, Texas
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rdittman%40stmarytx.edu
> 
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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Wed May  1 14:30:45 2013
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 08:30:45 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Black's Law Dictionary
References: <000701ce4616$012e7610$038b6230$@sbcglobal.net>
	<43AB9562-DCED-4166-BADD-55F8C4BC7B7C@stmarytx.edu>
Message-ID: <A5612B7F72BB4532BDB2D054B4C65A18@victory2>

I think I'll be tickled pink if Black's Law dictionary is ever produced in 
Braille by its publishers.  I'd be happy to obtain a copy in .PDF format 
however so I an PORT IT to my Braille notetaker which fortunately reads 
unprotected .PDF files.

I'm slowly gravitating towards touch screen smart phone; my preference is 
the Android platform, but I am yet to pick up a phone as I'm still 
researching the various options.  It would be nice if Black's Law could be 
available for the Android platform as well.

I prefer Braille though and that's why I won't mind an unprotected .PDF or 
.DOCX format.  Keeping Braille volumes on a shelf for me is a tough call 
because of space constraints.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado




From theweird1 at centurylink.net  Wed May  1 14:56:09 2013
From: theweird1 at centurylink.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 09:56:09 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Black's Law Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <A5612B7F72BB4532BDB2D054B4C65A18@victory2>
References: <000701ce4616$012e7610$038b6230$@sbcglobal.net>	<43AB9562-DCED-4166-BADD-55F8C4BC7B7C@stmarytx.edu>
	<A5612B7F72BB4532BDB2D054B4C65A18@victory2>
Message-ID: <001701ce467c$049ed450$0ddc7cf0$@centurylink.net>

Write me offlist, and I might be able to help you.  

Theweird1 at centurylink.net 

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Olusegun --
Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:31 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Black's Law Dictionary

I think I'll be tickled pink if Black's Law dictionary is ever produced in
Braille by its publishers.  I'd be happy to obtain a copy in .PDF format
however so I an PORT IT to my Braille notetaker which fortunately reads
unprotected .PDF files.

I'm slowly gravitating towards touch screen smart phone; my preference is
the Android platform, but I am yet to pick up a phone as I'm still
researching the various options.  It would be nice if Black's Law could be
available for the Android platform as well.

I prefer Braille though and that's why I won't mind an unprotected .PDF or
.DOCX format.  Keeping Braille volumes on a shelf for me is a tough call
because of space constraints.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado



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From sgreenblatt76 at gmail.com  Wed May  1 15:08:57 2013
From: sgreenblatt76 at gmail.com (Scott Greenblatt)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 11:08:57 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Black's Law Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <A5612B7F72BB4532BDB2D054B4C65A18@victory2>
References: <000701ce4616$012e7610$038b6230$@sbcglobal.net>
	<43AB9562-DCED-4166-BADD-55F8C4BC7B7C@stmarytx.edu>
	<A5612B7F72BB4532BDB2D054B4C65A18@victory2>
Message-ID: <1A092EE3-72AB-4E0D-AD12-CD11BAA44725@gmail.com>

I'm going back several years now, but I did get Blacks Law dictionary in. Digital format from Westlaw. I did this back in law school when I needed it for classes. I had to purchase the book in print, then send Westlaw a copy of the receipt so I could prove that I bought it, and then they sent me a digital copy that I was able to install on my computer. I don't see any reason why the same thing could not be done nowadays.



Scott 

On May 1, 2013, at 10:30 AM, "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com> wrote:

> I think I'll be tickled pink if Black's Law dictionary is ever produced in Braille by its publishers.  I'd be happy to obtain a copy in .PDF format however so I an PORT IT to my Braille notetaker which fortunately reads unprotected .PDF files.
> 
> I'm slowly gravitating towards touch screen smart phone; my preference is the Android platform, but I am yet to pick up a phone as I'm still researching the various options.  It would be nice if Black's Law could be available for the Android platform as well.
> 
> I prefer Braille though and that's why I won't mind an unprotected .PDF or .DOCX format.  Keeping Braille volumes on a shelf for me is a tough call because of space constraints.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From shannonldillon at gmail.com  Wed May  1 17:02:26 2013
From: shannonldillon at gmail.com (Shannon Dillon)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 10:02:26 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Black's Law Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <000701ce4616$012e7610$038b6230$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000701ce4616$012e7610$038b6230$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CA+JLRL-d+qMi0FYLPSk4Uy5c7vPBENbZRMOJhZUVvfbaE68ObA@mail.gmail.com>

I found a daisy file Blacks Law Dictionary somewhere, I think on
bookshare. I haven't put it on a player so I haven't tested it. But I
downloaded a Braille  (brf) version and a Daisy text only version.  It
is the 7th edition. You should be able to put it on a Braille
notetaker or on a Daisy player. If you want I can see where I got it.
If it is from Bookshare I believe you have to become a member to
access their books.

Hope this helps.

On 4/30/13, Daniel McBride <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Colleagues:
>
>
>
> I spoke with a Westlaw rep today about Black's Law Dictionary, Ninth
> Edition.  It is available in hardback.  It is not available as an E book,
> nor in any other digital cd or flash drive format.
>
>
>
> I asked if it happened to be available in braille.  He did not know, said
> he
> will inquire and get back with me.
>
>
>
> Any general thoughts out there?
>
>
>
> Daniel McBride, Attorney
>
> Fort Worth, Texas
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> blindlaw:
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>


-- 
SHANNON L. DILLON


From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  1 19:14:10 2013
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 14:14:10 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Black's Law Dictionary
Message-ID: <00c101ce46a0$0fbb2e00$2f318a00$@sbcglobal.net>

Colleagues:

 

Per Scott Greenblatt's suggestion, I contacted Westlaw again today.  Black's
Law, Ninth Edition, was $79.95 and shipping was free.  In addition to
sending out the hard cover tomorrow, Westlaw will contact me within a few
days to assist me in downloading the digital format to my computer at no
additional charge.

 

Thank you Scott for the suggestion.

 

Daniel McBride

Fort Worth, Texas


From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  3 01:22:32 2013
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 20:22:32 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] new attorney
Message-ID: <017601ce479c$b00ee700$102cb500$@sbcglobal.net>

Colleagues:

 

I heard from Robert Dittman today.  Robert graduated from St. Mary's School
of Law, receiving his Juris Doctor this past December.

 

Robert learned today that he passed the February Texas bar examination and
is now an attorney licensed to practice in Texas.

 

Yet another blind individual has ascended the mountain and we should all
congratulate Robert.

 

Daniel McBride, Attorney

Fort Worth, Texas


From rfarber at jw.com  Fri May  3 02:06:45 2013
From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 21:06:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] new attorney
In-Reply-To: <017601ce479c$b00ee700$102cb500$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <017601ce479c$b00ee700$102cb500$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A209D70665DE@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>

Robert - Congratulations.  If you have any questions, you can always give me a call.

Good luck in your practice,
Randy

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 8:23 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] new attorney

Colleagues:

 

I heard from Robert Dittman today.  Robert graduated from St. Mary's School of Law, receiving his Juris Doctor this past December.

 

Robert learned today that he passed the February Texas bar examination and is now an attorney licensed to practice in Texas.

 

Yet another blind individual has ascended the mountain and we should all congratulate Robert.

 

Daniel McBride, Attorney

Fort Worth, Texas

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From emrene at earthlink.net  Fri May  3 05:51:35 2013
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 22:51:35 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re Black's Law Dictionary
Message-ID: <D8D4FDEA96FB40CEB27F59A8A5352C7A@elizabethrene>

I checked out the Black's Law Dictionary iPhone app this evening, and it 
costs $59.95.  Cheaper than the book, at least.

Elizabeth




From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Fri May  3 16:52:43 2013
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 10:52:43 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] new attorney
References: <017601ce479c$b00ee700$102cb500$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <3B671735EB8B487F96EA85DD2F7C8C75@victory2>

Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah!!

One more feather to the cap ... May you find joy and happiness in your 
chosen profession and may it bring you the satisfaction you desire.  Your 
accomplishment will serve as an encouragement to others never to give up the 
fight!!

Mr. Dittman, from me and my many troops, hearty congratulations!!  God 
bless.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado



From emrene at earthlink.net  Fri May  3 17:50:18 2013
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 10:50:18 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re New Attorney
Message-ID: <9E7B5002D4F74AFDB1612F349D6F4C8C@elizabethrene>

Robert, I'm thrilled that you passed!  Congratulations and best wishes from 
the Pacific Northwest!

Now, what are you doing about the Coast Guard?  If that's a wash, can you 
represent clients before military tribunals as a civilian?  One of Seattle's 
best-known criminal lawyers is doing that right now in a much-publicized 
court martial proceeding.

Hurray for your success.

Elizabeth 



From clucas at disabilitypride.com  Fri May  3 17:59:46 2013
From: clucas at disabilitypride.com (Carrie Ann Lucas)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 11:59:46 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] new attorney
In-Reply-To: <017601ce479c$b00ee700$102cb500$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <017601ce479c$b00ee700$102cb500$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CABRBpaanHGbpCCwq_-FC7Eq+erFFHFbOZ4agPrbxAhyAWN8YWA@mail.gmail.com>

My organization has an open staff attorney position, so I wanted to share
the posting below:


JOB TITLE:  Staff Attorney
REPORTS TO: Carrie Ann Lucas
DIRECT REPORTS:  N/A
DEPARTMENT:  Legal
EXEMPT/NON-EXEMPT:  Exempt
SALARY RANGE :  $42,000-$50,000

Agency: The Center for Rights of Parents with Disabilities (CRPD) is a
non-profit organization which works on behalf of parents with
disabilities.  Our attorneys provide legal, social and systemic advocacy on
behalf of our clients, primarily in dependency & neglect cases.  We also
represent parents and children in domestic relations cases, disability
rights cases, and administrative law matters.

Disability rights matters include Title II and Title II Americans with
Disabilities Act cases, Rehabilitation Act cases, and Fair Housing Act
cases.

We seek to ensure each of our clients have an equal opportunity to parent,
while ensuring that their rights are protected.   We represent parents
throughout Colorado, but our efforts are focused in the Denver metropolitan
and Northern Colorado areas.


Position Summary: A Staff Attorney will primarily represent parents in
cases within the Denver Metropolitan area.  This position requires frequent
client contact and a substantial amount of
courtroom advocacy. Priority is given to applicants who have a demonstrated
interest/experience in juvenile law and or disability rights as
demonstrated through work history, pro bono experience, or involvement in
law school clinics.

Minimum Qualifications: A Staff Attorney must have a law degree from an ABA
accredited law school and be licensed to practice in the state of Colorado.
A Staff Attorney will demonstrate a commitment to disability rights and the
CRPD mission.  A Staff attorney should possess strong legal advocacy
skills, strong research, organizational and administrative skills, work
well both independently and as a team member, are respectful and open to
working with people from diverse backgrounds, enjoy creative problem
solving, value the creation of relationships across disciplines, and are
enthusiastic about being a part of an innovative method of advocacy.
A staff attorney will possess exceptional legal skills, preferably in the
relevant areas of law (parent advocacy, child welfare, Medicaid,
delinquency, disability rights, or other areas of juvenile law), and have
excellent written and verbal communication skills.

Successful candidates will demonstrate a strong work ethic and ability to
work nights and weekends when necessary; demonstrated competence in working
with diverse clients and client communities; demonstrated ability to
achieve systemic reforms; and demonstrated ability to collaborate
effectively with other advocates and social service providers.  Excellent
computer skills, including demonstrated proficiency in Microsoft Office.
Ability to learn and use WordPefect.  Bilingual communication skills
preferred.

Job Responsibilities include:
•    Advocate for appropriate, and timely services.
•    Attend all court hearings and provide accurate and current information
directly to the court.
•    Litigate adjudicatory, dispositional, and termination hearings in
juvenile law matters, temporary orders, final orders, and emergency
hearings in domestic relations matters, and all aspects of complex civil
rights litigation in disability rights cases.
•    Research, draft and file motions and appeals.
•    Establish a relationship with the client and maintain regular contact.
•    Maintain regular communication with other professionals involved
including Department of Human Services (DHS) case worker, therapists,
service providers, guardian ad litem, and other attorneys..
•    Attend staffings and meetings that pertain to the family.
•    Utilize case management software to maintain and preserve accurate,
contemporaneous records of time spent on cases and other work performed.
•    Prepare and prioritize cases and maintain files in a shared caseload
with other staff.
•    Participate in case conferences.
•    Participate in performance evaluations.
•    Keep abreast of new issues in the field of juvenile law, disability
rights law, legal ethics, and all other matters necessary for the vigorous
and competent representation of CRPD's clients.
•    Participate in ongoing training and continuing education necessary for
professional development and maintenance of contracts and law license.
.
Travel Requirements: Work requires some local travel and may require
occasional overnight travel and weekend and/or evening work.

To Apply: Please email cover letter, resume, writing sample, and at least
two references to clucas at disabledparentrights.org with “Staff Attorney” in
the subject line.


        JOB TITLE:  Staff Attorney
        REPORTS TO: Carrie Ann Lucas
        DIRECT REPORTS:  N/A
        DEPARTMENT:  Legal
        EXEMPT/NON-EXEMPT:  Exempt
        SALARY RANGE :  $42,000-$50,000




Agency: The Center for Rights of Parents with Disabilities (CRPD) is a
non-profit organization which works on behalf of parents with
disabilities.  Our attorneys provide legal, social and systemic advocacy on
behalf of our clients, primarily in dependency & neglect cases.  We also
represent parents and children in domestic relations cases, disability
rights cases, and administrative law matters.

Disability rights matters include Title II and Title II Americans with
Disabilities Act cases, Rehabilitation Act cases, and Fair Housing Act
cases.

We seek to ensure each of our clients have an equal opportunity to parent,
while ensuring that their rights are protected.   We represent parents
throughout Colorado, but our efforts are focused in the Denver metropolitan
and Northern Colorado areas.


Position Summary: A Staff Attorney will primarily represent parents in
cases within the Denver Metropolitan area.  This position requires frequent
client contact and a substantial amount of
courtroom advocacy. Priority is given to applicants who have a demonstrated
interest/experience in juvenile law and or disability rights as
demonstrated through work history, pro bono experience, or involvement in
law school clinics.

Minimum Qualifications: A Staff Attorney must have a law degree from an ABA
accredited law school and be licensed to practice in the state of Colorado.
A Staff Attorney will demonstrate a commitment to disability rights and the
CRPD mission.  A Staff attorney should possess strong legal advocacy
skills, strong research, organizational and administrative skills, work
well both independently and as a team member, are respectful and open to
working with people from diverse backgrounds, enjoy creative problem
solving, value the creation of relationships across disciplines, and are
enthusiastic about being a part of an innovative method of advocacy.
A staff attorney will possess exceptional legal skills, preferably in the
relevant areas of law (parent advocacy, child welfare, Medicaid,
delinquency, disability rights, or other areas of juvenile law), and have
excellent written and verbal communication skills.

Successful candidates will demonstrate a strong work ethic and ability to
work nights and weekends when necessary; demonstrated competence in working
with diverse clients and client communities; demonstrated ability to
achieve systemic reforms; and demonstrated ability to collaborate
effectively with other advocates and social service providers.  Excellent
computer skills, including demonstrated proficiency in Microsoft Office.
Ability to learn and use WordPefect.  Bilingual communication skills
preferred.

Job Responsibilities include:
•    Advocate for appropriate, and timely services.
•    Attend all court hearings and provide accurate and current information
directly to the court.
•    Litigate adjudicatory, dispositional, and termination hearings in
juvenile law matters, temporary orders, final orders, and emergency
hearings in domestic relations matters, and all aspects of complex civil
rights litigation in disability rights cases.
•    Research, draft and file motions and appeals.
•    Establish a relationship with the client and maintain regular contact.
•    Maintain regular communication with other professionals involved
including Department of Human Services (DHS) case worker, therapists,
service providers, guardian ad litem, and other attorneys..
•    Attend staffings and meetings that pertain to the family.
•    Utilize case management software to maintain and preserve accurate,
contemporaneous records of time spent on cases and other work performed.
•    Prepare and prioritize cases and maintain files in a shared caseload
with other staff.
•    Participate in case conferences.
•    Participate in performance evaluations.
•    Keep abreast of new issues in the field of juvenile law, disability
rights law, legal ethics, and all other matters necessary for the vigorous
and competent representation of CRPD's clients.
•    Participate in ongoing training and continuing education necessary for
professional development and maintenance of contracts and law license.
.
Travel Requirements: Work requires some local travel and may require
occasional overnight travel and weekend and/or evening work.

To Apply: Please email cover letter, resume, writing sample, and at least
two references to clucas at disabledparentrights.org with “Staff Attorney” in
the subject line.

From taiablas at gmail.com  Fri May  3 19:33:42 2013
From: taiablas at gmail.com (Tai Blas)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 14:33:42 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Position with the Center for Rights of Parents with
	Disabilities
Message-ID: <040b01ce4835$1f53df60$5dfb9e20$@gmail.com>

Dear Ms. Lucas:
 
I read your job posting to the BlindLaw mailing list with interest. I am
interested to know how frequently these positions come up. I am a second
year law student but will be finished with school in December of 2013. I
worked for a juvenile court judge last summer and will be working for
Disability Rights Advocates this summer. I will also be participating in my
school's legal clinic representing parents in Child in Need of Assistance
proceedings this fall. This job sounds like the perfect fit for me. I have
family in Salt Lake City and would be thrilled to live within a short
flight. I have always wanted to live in Denver.
Thank you for posting the opportunity.
 
Best,
 
Tai Blas
 
 

From shannonldillon at gmail.com  Sat May  4 04:03:24 2013
From: shannonldillon at gmail.com (Shannon Dillon)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 21:03:24 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] new attorney
In-Reply-To: <CABRBpaanHGbpCCwq_-FC7Eq+erFFHFbOZ4agPrbxAhyAWN8YWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <017601ce479c$b00ee700$102cb500$@sbcglobal.net>
	<CABRBpaanHGbpCCwq_-FC7Eq+erFFHFbOZ4agPrbxAhyAWN8YWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JLRL9CCkhQ-czK9iPqubYv6qg8Qq8bkuOYwi_Y96TKHMT_jw@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/3/13, Carrie Ann Lucas <clucas at disabilitypride.com> wrote:
> My organization has an open staff attorney position, so I wanted to share
> the posting below:
>
>
> JOB TITLE:  Staff Attorney
> REPORTS TO: Carrie Ann Lucas
> DIRECT REPORTS:  N/A
> DEPARTMENT:  Legal
> EXEMPT/NON-EXEMPT:  Exempt
> SALARY RANGE :  $42,000-$50,000
>
> Agency: The Center for Rights of Parents with Disabilities (CRPD) is a
> non-profit organization which works on behalf of parents with
> disabilities.  Our attorneys provide legal, social and systemic advocacy on
> behalf of our clients, primarily in dependency & neglect cases.  We also
> represent parents and children in domestic relations cases, disability
> rights cases, and administrative law matters.
>
> Disability rights matters include Title II and Title II Americans with
> Disabilities Act cases, Rehabilitation Act cases, and Fair Housing Act
> cases.
>
> We seek to ensure each of our clients have an equal opportunity to parent,
> while ensuring that their rights are protected.   We represent parents
> throughout Colorado, but our efforts are focused in the Denver metropolitan
> and Northern Colorado areas.
>
>
> Position Summary: A Staff Attorney will primarily represent parents in
> cases within the Denver Metropolitan area.  This position requires frequent
> client contact and a substantial amount of
> courtroom advocacy. Priority is given to applicants who have a demonstrated
> interest/experience in juvenile law and or disability rights as
> demonstrated through work history, pro bono experience, or involvement in
> law school clinics.
>
> Minimum Qualifications: A Staff Attorney must have a law degree from an ABA
> accredited law school and be licensed to practice in the state of Colorado.
> A Staff Attorney will demonstrate a commitment to disability rights and the
> CRPD mission.  A Staff attorney should possess strong legal advocacy
> skills, strong research, organizational and administrative skills, work
> well both independently and as a team member, are respectful and open to
> working with people from diverse backgrounds, enjoy creative problem
> solving, value the creation of relationships across disciplines, and are
> enthusiastic about being a part of an innovative method of advocacy.
> A staff attorney will possess exceptional legal skills, preferably in the
> relevant areas of law (parent advocacy, child welfare, Medicaid,
> delinquency, disability rights, or other areas of juvenile law), and have
> excellent written and verbal communication skills.
>
> Successful candidates will demonstrate a strong work ethic and ability to
> work nights and weekends when necessary; demonstrated competence in working
> with diverse clients and client communities; demonstrated ability to
> achieve systemic reforms; and demonstrated ability to collaborate
> effectively with other advocates and social service providers.  Excellent
> computer skills, including demonstrated proficiency in Microsoft Office.
> Ability to learn and use WordPefect.  Bilingual communication skills
> preferred.
>
> Job Responsibilities include:
> •    Advocate for appropriate, and timely services.
> •    Attend all court hearings and provide accurate and current information
> directly to the court.
> •    Litigate adjudicatory, dispositional, and termination hearings in
> juvenile law matters, temporary orders, final orders, and emergency
> hearings in domestic relations matters, and all aspects of complex civil
> rights litigation in disability rights cases.
> •    Research, draft and file motions and appeals.
> •    Establish a relationship with the client and maintain regular contact.
> •    Maintain regular communication with other professionals involved
> including Department of Human Services (DHS) case worker, therapists,
> service providers, guardian ad litem, and other attorneys..
> •    Attend staffings and meetings that pertain to the family.
> •    Utilize case management software to maintain and preserve accurate,
> contemporaneous records of time spent on cases and other work performed.
> •    Prepare and prioritize cases and maintain files in a shared caseload
> with other staff.
> •    Participate in case conferences.
> •    Participate in performance evaluations.
> •    Keep abreast of new issues in the field of juvenile law, disability
> rights law, legal ethics, and all other matters necessary for the vigorous
> and competent representation of CRPD's clients.
> •    Participate in ongoing training and continuing education necessary for
> professional development and maintenance of contracts and law license.
> .
> Travel Requirements: Work requires some local travel and may require
> occasional overnight travel and weekend and/or evening work.
>
> To Apply: Please email cover letter, resume, writing sample, and at least
> two references to clucas at disabledparentrights.org with “Staff Attorney” in
> the subject line.
>
>
>         JOB TITLE:  Staff Attorney
>         REPORTS TO: Carrie Ann Lucas
>         DIRECT REPORTS:  N/A
>         DEPARTMENT:  Legal
>         EXEMPT/NON-EXEMPT:  Exempt
>         SALARY RANGE :  $42,000-$50,000
>
>
>
>
> Agency: The Center for Rights of Parents with Disabilities (CRPD) is a
> non-profit organization which works on behalf of parents with
> disabilities.  Our attorneys provide legal, social and systemic advocacy on
> behalf of our clients, primarily in dependency & neglect cases.  We also
> represent parents and children in domestic relations cases, disability
> rights cases, and administrative law matters.
>
> Disability rights matters include Title II and Title II Americans with
> Disabilities Act cases, Rehabilitation Act cases, and Fair Housing Act
> cases.
>
> We seek to ensure each of our clients have an equal opportunity to parent,
> while ensuring that their rights are protected.   We represent parents
> throughout Colorado, but our efforts are focused in the Denver metropolitan
> and Northern Colorado areas.
>
>
> Position Summary: A Staff Attorney will primarily represent parents in
> cases within the Denver Metropolitan area.  This position requires frequent
> client contact and a substantial amount of
> courtroom advocacy. Priority is given to applicants who have a demonstrated
> interest/experience in juvenile law and or disability rights as
> demonstrated through work history, pro bono experience, or involvement in
> law school clinics.
>
> Minimum Qualifications: A Staff Attorney must have a law degree from an ABA
> accredited law school and be licensed to practice in the state of Colorado.
> A Staff Attorney will demonstrate a commitment to disability rights and the
> CRPD mission.  A Staff attorney should possess strong legal advocacy
> skills, strong research, organizational and administrative skills, work
> well both independently and as a team member, are respectful and open to
> working with people from diverse backgrounds, enjoy creative problem
> solving, value the creation of relationships across disciplines, and are
> enthusiastic about being a part of an innovative method of advocacy.
> A staff attorney will possess exceptional legal skills, preferably in the
> relevant areas of law (parent advocacy, child welfare, Medicaid,
> delinquency, disability rights, or other areas of juvenile law), and have
> excellent written and verbal communication skills.
>
> Successful candidates will demonstrate a strong work ethic and ability to
> work nights and weekends when necessary; demonstrated competence in working
> with diverse clients and client communities; demonstrated ability to
> achieve systemic reforms; and demonstrated ability to collaborate
> effectively with other advocates and social service providers.  Excellent
> computer skills, including demonstrated proficiency in Microsoft Office.
> Ability to learn and use WordPefect.  Bilingual communication skills
> preferred.
>
> Job Responsibilities include:
> •    Advocate for appropriate, and timely services.
> •    Attend all court hearings and provide accurate and current information
> directly to the court.
> •    Litigate adjudicatory, dispositional, and termination hearings in
> juvenile law matters, temporary orders, final orders, and emergency
> hearings in domestic relations matters, and all aspects of complex civil
> rights litigation in disability rights cases.
> •    Research, draft and file motions and appeals.
> •    Establish a relationship with the client and maintain regular contact.
> •    Maintain regular communication with other professionals involved
> including Department of Human Services (DHS) case worker, therapists,
> service providers, guardian ad litem, and other attorneys..
> •    Attend staffings and meetings that pertain to the family.
> •    Utilize case management software to maintain and preserve accurate,
> contemporaneous records of time spent on cases and other work performed.
> •    Prepare and prioritize cases and maintain files in a shared caseload
> with other staff.
> •    Participate in case conferences.
> •    Participate in performance evaluations.
> •    Keep abreast of new issues in the field of juvenile law, disability
> rights law, legal ethics, and all other matters necessary for the vigorous
> and competent representation of CRPD's clients.
> •    Participate in ongoing training and continuing education necessary for
> professional development and maintenance of contracts and law license.
> .
> Travel Requirements: Work requires some local travel and may require
> occasional overnight travel and weekend and/or evening work.
>
> To Apply: Please email cover letter, resume, writing sample, and at least
> two references to clucas at disabledparentrights.org with “Staff Attorney” in
> the subject line.
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From mikefry79 at gmail.com  Sat May  4 06:14:08 2013
From: mikefry79 at gmail.com (Michael Fry)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 23:14:08 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re New Attorney
In-Reply-To: <9E7B5002D4F74AFDB1612F349D6F4C8C@elizabethrene>
References: <9E7B5002D4F74AFDB1612F349D6F4C8C@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <CAKtsbao6JGyzDKoVV2eFL8ZA-X6zu9VfbC3ozSpqQHcu=4LHmA@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations, Robert


On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Rene <emrene at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Robert, I'm thrilled that you passed!  Congratulations and best wishes
> from the Pacific Northwest!
>
> Now, what are you doing about the Coast Guard?  If that's a wash, can you
> represent clients before military tribunals as a civilian?  One of
> Seattle's best-known criminal lawyers is doing that right now in a
> much-publicized court martial proceeding.
>
> Hurray for your success.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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>

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue May  7 16:43:10 2013
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:43:10 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Asst. Director,
 Center for Professional and Leadership Development,
 UW School of Law job posting, April 29 2013
In-Reply-To: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE162341DDAEDDCEBE@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov>
References: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE162341DDAEDDCEBE@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7EDA5BB83AF14@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>


Link:
http://jobs.wsba.org/jobseeker/job/13296153/

Text:
Asst. Director, Center for Professional and Leadership Development
Job ID: 13296153
Position Title: Asst. Director, Center for Professional and Leadership Development
Company Name: UW School of Law
Job Function: Other
Location(s): Seattle, Washington, 98195, United States
Posted: April 29, 2013
Entry Level: No
Job Type: Full-time
Job Duration: Indefinite

APPLY FOR THIS JOB
Apply URL:  http://www.washington.edu/admin/hr/jobs<http://jobs.wsba.org/jobseeker/job/13296153/>/

Description
The Center for Professional and Leadership Development at the UW School of Law has an important mission in preparing law students for their professional transition in becoming lawyers and leaders in a variety of careers. Through a rigorous and innovative approach in career planning, education, and leadership, students receive individualized attention in their career development. The Assistant Director is responsible for the following: a leadership-focused career coaching program for students and alumni, development of job search skills and strategies, creation and coordination of career related workshops and forums, development of relationships and employment opportunities with potential employers and effective working relationships with students, alumni, staff and recruitment professionals.

Key Responsibilities:

Career advising:

-Provides career counseling and mentoring to students and alumni. Coordinates participation in job fairs, speaker series, and other programs designed to provide information about legal careers.

-Reviews cover letters and resumes.

-Advises students regarding concentration tracks suited to their interests.

-Collaborates with Center for Public Service Law on programming offerings relating to career opportunities.

-Assists law school Admissions Office by advising prospective students about legal careers.

-Develops working relationships with various student groups and the Law School's Student Bar Association guidance for student organizations.

Programming:

-Develop and manage a variety of programs relating to cultivating career opportunities and leadership. This includes building relationships with potential speakers, doing public promotion, scheduling, reserving rooms, arranging security, and hospitality.

Reporting & Resource administration for Center for Professional and Leadership Development:

-Maintain detailed statistical information relevant to Graduate Programs and provide relevant reports, as required, to deans, faculty, funding agencies and others.

-Develop in coordination with the Assistant Dean, processes, reports, and programs that track employment results.

-Acquire or develop resources appropriate for JD students, clerkship applicants and alumni, including: directories, and/or databases of law firms, attorneys and alumni/ae practicing in areas related to the graduate programs and clerkships

Community engagement and outreach:

-Fosters relationships with legal community to develop public service opportunities for law students.

-Serves on various Public Service boards and committees such as Access to Justice and Alliance for Equal Justice

-Participates in local bar meetings to generate interest in the public service program and its students.

-Fosters relationships with faculty and staff at the law school and across campus on with a focus on public service projects and activities

Other duties as assigned.

Requirements
* A JD and minimum three years of legal experience in any of the following: law firm, public agency, non-profit organization, educational institution or equivalent. An equivalent combination of education and experience may substitute for the stated requirements.

* Excellent oral and written communications skills.

* Sensitivity and demonstrated ability to work with diverse communities.

* Requires strong computer skills including working with MS Office and database management programs.

* Ability to maintain confidentiality.

* Ability to work independently and professionally under the pressure of frequent deadlines in a fast-paced environment.

Desired:

* Familiarity with the legal job market.

* Previous experience in career coaching, marketing, workshop planning or higher education administration.

* Understanding of student advising.

* International or volunteer work experience.

From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Wed May  8 15:50:00 2013
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 09:50:00 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] contact info for mr. alcidonis?
References: <A673171E4AEB5C44A7D4637CCF85A985023E24F5@NYEXVS01.aclu.org>
Message-ID: <77163BEB14CD4ECBA0492873F5EB2779@victory2>

Hi Everyone:

I've lost the contact info I had for Mr. Alcidonis based in Philadelphia, 
Pennsylvania.  If anyone has this information, could you please EMail me at:

ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com ?

Much thanks for all help!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



From attorney at alcidonislaw.com  Wed May  8 16:50:55 2013
From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esq.)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 12:50:55 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] contact info for mr. alcidonis?
In-Reply-To: <77163BEB14CD4ECBA0492873F5EB2779@victory2>
References: <A673171E4AEB5C44A7D4637CCF85A985023E24F5@NYEXVS01.aclu.org>
	<77163BEB14CD4ECBA0492873F5EB2779@victory2>
Message-ID: <35288C50806C4B528177BADCF4C71CEB@Workstation>

Olusegun

My contact information is below. Feel free to reach out.

Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
Alcidonis Law Office
2824 Cottman Avenue
Suite 15
Philadelphia, PA 19149
O: (215) 305-8085
Attorney at alcidonislaw.com
www.alcidonislaw.com

Personal injury, Immigration, and No-fault divorce/custody
-----Original Message----- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 11:50 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: [blindlaw] contact info for mr. alcidonis?

Hi Everyone:

I've lost the contact info I had for Mr. Alcidonis based in Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania.  If anyone has this information, could you please EMail me at:

ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com ?

Much thanks for all help!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu May  9 16:31:52 2013
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 10:31:52 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Vacancy at the Massachusetts Department of Housing
	and Community Development
In-Reply-To: <7B98A8E33C4000459E6B5886166255E8246766C60E@ES-MSG-EMB-001.es.govt.state.ma.us>
References: <7B98A8E33C4000459E6B5886166255E8246766C60E@ES-MSG-EMB-001.es.govt.state.ma.us>
Message-ID: <099201ce4cd2$b6f6bdf0$24e439d0$@labarrelaw.com>

FYI  This is for a litigation attorney position as I understand it.

 

 

 

From: Standring, Joan (OCD) [mailto:joan.standring at massmail.state.ma.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:59 AM
To: Standring, Joan (OCD)
Subject: Vacancy at the Massachusetts Department of Housing and Community
Development

 

Good Afternoon,

Please share the attached vacancy with your staff and/or forward to your
Human Resources Department for the positions listed below at the
Massachusetts Department of Housing and Community Development.  

Application deadline is May 17, 2013.

 

 

Joan Standring

Dept. of Housing and Community Development

Human Resources

T (617)573-1255

F (617)573-1299

 

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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu May  9 18:22:11 2013
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 12:22:11 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Please post: STAFF ATTORNEY [LGLF-59]/ National
	Security Project, NY, ACLU
In-Reply-To: <A673171E4AEB5C44A7D4637CCF85A985024E7618@NYEXVS01.aclu.org>
References: <A673171E4AEB5C44A7D4637CCF85A985024E7618@NYEXVS01.aclu.org>
Message-ID: <000a01ce4ce2$1fd9cb50$5f8d61f0$@labarrelaw.com>

FYI

 

From: Heather Krasna [mailto:hkrasna at aclu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:08 PM
To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com
Subject: Please post: STAFF ATTORNEY [LGLF-59]/ National Security Project,
NY, ACLU

 

The ACLU is committed to hiring individuals with disabilities.   We are
requesting your assistance with this effort and ask that your organization
publicize the position to individuals with disabilities. We greatly
appreciate your help.

If you would like to be removed from this announcement list going forward,
please reply to this email with the subject line, "Remove." If you can
suggest other parties to receive future emails, please let us know. Thank
you.

 

 

 

STAFF ATTORNEY [LGLF-59]

American Civil Liberties Union Foundation

National Security Project, NY

 

For more than 92 years, the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation (ACLU)
has been at the forefront of virtually every major battle for civil
liberties and equal justice in this country.  Principled and nonpartisan,
the ACLU has offices in all 50 states, Washington, DC and Puerto Rico, and
brings together the country's largest team of public interest lawyers,
lobbyists, communication strategists, and members and activists in the
advancement of equality, fairness, and freedom, especially for the most
vulnerable in our society. 

 

The National Security Project of the ACLU's National office in New York City
seeks applications for a full-time Staff Attorney.

 

OVERVIEW

 

The National Security Project is part of the ACLU's Center for
Democracy,which works to strengthen democratic institutions and values,
including the values of government transparency and accountability, and to
reinforce the United States' commitment to human rights and the rule of law.
The Center for Democracy includes, in addition to the National Security
Project, the Human Rights Project and the Project on Speech, Privacy, and
Technology. 

 

The National Security Project is dedicated to ensuring that U.S. national
security policies and practices are consistent with the Constitution, civil
liberties, and human rights. The Project believes that our nation's core
democratic values are the foundation of its strength and security, and that
our government's response to national security concerns must comport with
those values.  Through its litigation and advocacy strategies, NSP not only
responds to specific government measures, but also strives to educate the
public and shape the law so that the courts, Congress, and citizenry can
serve as an enduring check against abuse. 

 

The National Security Project's litigation and advocacy focuses on issues
including: targeted killing, unlawful detention, accountability for torture,
discrimination, government surveillance, censorship, and secrecy. 

 

ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES

 

The Staff Attorney will report to the Director of the National Security
Project and should be prepared to contribute to all aspects of the Project's
litigation and non-litigation work, including but not limited to:

 

.         Litigating and managing national security/civil liberties cases in
the trial and appellate courts through legal and factual research, writing
pleadings and briefs, and working with clients and witnesses.

.         Developing new cases and non-litigation advocacy projects. 

.         Serving as a resource for ACLU legislative and policy staff at the
federal and state level, and advancing ACLU policy goals through public
education and organizing and participating in coalitions.

.         Developing and writing advocacy materials for expert and lay
audiences.

.         Engaging in public speaking, including to the media and at
conferences for expert and lay audiences.

.         Working in collaboration with other members of the National
Security Project, and other ACLU legal and non-legal staff, particularly
legislative, communications and advocacy staff members.

.         Supervising legal fellows and law students.

 

EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATIONS

 

The applicant should possess the following qualifications:

 

.         J.D. degree and a minimum of three years of litigation experience
are required.  Individuals with more experience are strongly encouraged to
apply.  Responsibilities will be commensurate with experience and
demonstrated skill level. 

.         Experience litigating cases involving national security and civil
liberties issues and/or federal criminal defense experience is preferred;
commitment to these issues is essential.

.         A demonstrated commitment to public interest generally and civil
liberties in particular. 

.         Demonstrably excellent legal research, writing, and verbal
communication skills. 

.         Ability to engage in complex legal analysis and fact investigation
in impact litigation, policy and legislative advocacy settings, sometimes
under tight deadlines.

.         Proven project management and organizational skills, including the
ability to work independently, pay attention to detail, and meet deadlines
while under pressure.

.         Ability to foster and contribute to a collaborative team
environment is essential.

.         Prior supervisory or management experience is preferred.

 

COMPENSATION

 

The ACLU offers a generous and comprehensive compensation and benefits
package, commensurate with experience and within parameters of the ACLU
compensation scale.

 

HOW TO APPLY

 

Please send a cover letter explaining your interest in our work; a resume;
two references; and two writing samples unedited by others, at least one of
which should be a legal research memo, brief, or article.  Applicants who
graduated from law school within the last six years should include their law
school transcript. 

 

Please send materials by email to hrjobsINCL at aclu.org  and reference [RE:
LGLF-59/ACLU-INCL] in the subject line. Please note that this is not the
general ACLU applicant email address. This email address is specific to the
National Security Project posting.  In order to ensure your application is
received, please make certain it is sent to the correct e-mail address. You
can expect to receive an automatic response that acknowledges the submission
of application materials.

 

Alternatively applications can be mailed to:

 

National Security Project

[RE:  LGLF-59/ACLU-INCL]

American Civil Liberties Union

125 Broad Street, 18th Floor

New York, NY 10004

 

Please indicate in your cover letter where you learned of this career
opportunity.

 

Applications will be accepted until the position is filled.

 

The ACLU is an equal opportunity employer.  We value a diverse workforce and
an inclusive culture.  The ACLU encourages applications from all qualified
individuals without regard to race, color, religion, gender, sexual
orientation, age, national origin, marital status, citizenship, disability,
and veteran status.

 

We encourage applicants with disabilities who may need accommodations in the
application process to contact: HRJobsINCLReq at aclu.org.  Correspondence sent
to this address that is not related to requests for accommodations will not
be reviewed.  Applicants should follow the instructions above regarding how
to apply.

 

The ACLU comprises two separate corporate entities, the American Civil
Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation. Both the American Civil Liberties
Union and the ACLU Foundation are national organizations with the same
overall mission, and share office space and employees. The ACLU has two
separate corporate entities in order to do a broad range of work to protect
civil liberties. This job posting refers collectively to the two
organizations under the name "ACLU."

 


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu May  9 18:22:35 2013
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 12:22:35 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Please post: Staff Attorney [RFP-17],
	Reproductive Freedom Project, ACLU NYC
In-Reply-To: <A673171E4AEB5C44A7D4637CCF85A985024E75A8@NYEXVS01.aclu.org>
References: <A673171E4AEB5C44A7D4637CCF85A985024E75A8@NYEXVS01.aclu.org>
Message-ID: <000f01ce4ce2$2e280e60$8a782b20$@labarrelaw.com>

FYI

 

From: Heather Krasna [mailto:hkrasna at aclu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:05 PM
To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com
Subject: Please post: Staff Attorney [RFP-17], Reproductive Freedom Project,
ACLU NYC

 

The ACLU is committed to hiring individuals with disabilities.   We are
requesting your assistance with this effort and ask that your organization
publicize the position to individuals with disabilities. We greatly
appreciate your help.

If you would like to be removed from this announcement list going forward,
please reply to this email with the subject line, "Remove." If you can
suggest other parties to receive future emails, please let us know. Thank
you.

 

 

Staff Attorney [RFP-17]

American Civil Liberties Union Foundation

Reproductive Freedom Project, NY

 

For more than 92 years, the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation
(ACLUF) has been at the forefront of virtually every major battle for civil
liberties and equal justice in this country. Principled and nonpartisan, the
ACLU has offices in all 50 states, Washington, DC and Puerto Rico, and
brings together the country's largest team of public interest lawyers,
lobbyists, communication strategists, and members and activists in the
advancement of equality, fairness, and freedom, especially for the most
vulnerable in our society. The Reproductive Freedom Project (RFP) of the
ACLU's National office in New York City seeks applicants for a Staff
Attorney.

 

OVERVIEW

 

The ACLU Reproductive Freedom Project's mission is to secure a world that
respects and supports everyone's right to form intimate relationships and to
decide whether and when to have a child.  Through litigation, advocacy, and
public education, the Project strives to ensure that the freedoms and
opportunities enjoyed by some become the freedoms and opportunities enjoyed
by all.  The ACLU is particularly committed to ensuring that individuals'
reproductive rights are not compromised because of their race, youth, or
economic status, and believes that reproductive rights work must be informed
by broader racial and social justice considerations. 

 

For more than three decades, the RFP has participated in nearly every
critical reproductive rights case before the Supreme Court and in
significant cases in federal and state courts too numerous to count,
including challenges to abortion bans; mandated ultrasound and counseling
laws; laws that defund organizations because they provide or refer for
abortion; laws that restrict teens' access to abortion; and restrictions on
insurance coverage of abortion.  The ACLU is also the nation's leading
expert on the intersection between reproductive rights and the religion and
free speech clauses of the First Amendment.  Most recently, the ACLU has
participated in more than a dozen cases supporting the new federal
contraceptive coverage requirement against claims that the requirement
violates tenets of religious liberty.

 

The Reproductive Freedom Project is unique among reproductive rights
organizations in that it works with the ACLU's nationwide network of
affiliates as well as other attorneys in the organization who specialize in
other civil liberties areas, including free speech, race and poverty issues,
and lesbian and gay rights.  In addition, the Reproductive Freedom Project
is part of the ACLU's Center for Liberty, which is dedicated to the
principle that we are all entitled to determine the course of our lives
based on who we are and what we believe free from unreasonable government
constraint and baseless stereotypes.  The Center for Liberty encompasses the
ACLU's work on reproductive rights, women's rights, LGBT issues, and freedom
of religion and belief.

 

ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES

 

.         Litigate constitutional and statutory cases on a wide range of
reproductive rights related issues in the trial and appellate courts.

.         Conduct legal research and writing legal memoranda.

.         Analyze legislation for potential litigation.

.         Develop new cases and identify and work with potential plaintiffs
and witnesses.

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rights litigation, legislation, and advocacy.

.         Work closely with legal and non-legal program staff, particularly
legislative, communications, and advocacy staff members to advance
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clients.

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and other speaking engagements.

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students.

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development. 

 

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.         J.D. degree, bar admission in one state.

.         A minimum of two years of legal experience is required.
Individuals with more experience, including those with significantly more
experience, are strongly encouraged to apply.  Responsibility will be
commensurate with experience and skill level. 

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issues is desirable; commitment to those issues is essential. 

.         Superior analytic skills and excellent research skills are
required.

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persuasively are essential. 

.         Self-motivated, diligent, and able to meet strict deadlines while
under pressure. 

.         Ability to work with a wide range of people and foster a team
environment.

 

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The ACLU offers a generous compensation and benefits package, commensurate
with experience and within the parameters of the ACLU compensation scale.  

 

HOW TO APPLY

 

Interested persons should submit a cover letter (with salary requirements),
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Please note that this is not the general ACLU applicant email address. This
email address is specific to Reproductive Freedom Project postings. In order
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Applications can also be mailed to:

 

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the job description and/or posting at any time without advance notice.

 

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an inclusive culture.    The ACLU encourages applications from all qualified
individuals without regard to race, color, religion, gender, sexual
orientation, age, national origin, marital status, citizenship, disability,
and veteran status.  

 

We encourage applicants with disabilities who may need accommodations in the
application process to contact <mailto:HRJobsINCLReq at aclu.org>
HRJobsINCLReq at aclu.org. Correspondence sent to this email address that is
not related to requests for accommodations will not be reviewed.  Applicants
should follow the instructions above regarding how to apply.

 

The ACLU comprises two separate corporate entities, the American Civil
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Union and the ACLU Foundation are national organizations with the same
overall mission, and share office space and employees.  The ACLU has two
separate corporate entities in order to do a broad range of work to protect
civil liberties.  This job posting refers collectively to the two
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From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 10 16:16:45 2013
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:16:45 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] text of the ADA
Message-ID: <0A54C097-AE00-4B25-8380-12D3D20F395F@sbcglobal.net>

A Skype contact of mine is looking for the text of the ADA for use as part of her thesis work. Can someone send me a link to it? Thanks.

 • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
 • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
 • MSN:  BurningHawk1969 at hotmail.com
 • My home page:
 • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/

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Home page:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/


From cdborne at gmail.com  Fri May 10 16:20:41 2013
From: cdborne at gmail.com (Craig Borne)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 12:20:41 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] text of the ADA
In-Reply-To: <0A54C097-AE00-4B25-8380-12D3D20F395F@sbcglobal.net>
References: <0A54C097-AE00-4B25-8380-12D3D20F395F@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00b701ce4d9a$51aae660$f500b320$@gmail.com>

www.ada.gov


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Subject: [blindlaw] text of the ADA

A Skype contact of mine is looking for the text of the ADA for use as part
of her thesis work. Can someone send me a link to it? Thanks.

 . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
 . AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969  . MSN:
BurningHawk1969 at hotmail.com  . My home page:
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From stone_troll at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 10 16:42:20 2013
From: stone_troll at sbcglobal.net (Mark BurningHawk)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:42:20 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] text of the ADA
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	<00b701ce4d9a$51aae660$f500b320$@gmail.com>
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Thanks; I found
www.ada.gov.pubs.ada.htm

Mark BurningHawk
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Home page:  Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/



From rthomas at emplmntattorney.com  Fri May 10 16:43:14 2013
From: rthomas at emplmntattorney.com (Russell J. Thomas)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:43:14 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] text of the ADA
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Going from memory -- (always dangerous), I think there is a site that may
have this information: www.ada.gov.


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A Skype contact of mine is looking for the text of the ADA for use as part
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Sun May 12 20:04:21 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 16:04:21 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Need some case authority
Message-ID: <9EC276DA05EC49A6BACD7829F7B44259@mycomputer>

Does anyone on the list know of any case authority, in particular in Federal
court, on cell phone accessibility under either 508 or Title III?
I'm seeking anything, even losing cases,  regarding some cell phone
manufacturers and service providers having some phones that are, and some
that aren't accessible.





From emrene at earthlink.net  Mon May 13 01:55:21 2013
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 18:55:21 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
Message-ID: <6B08680247F84322BDAD6C8FF36EBF7A@elizabethrene>

Hi all,

Many of us have recently taken bar examinations, and most likely have used 
bar review courses to prepare for them.  We've all cheered for those who've 
passed, and we all remember the struggles of those who've had to litigate to 
get reasonable accommodations from the NCBE.

I was so pumped up after my February exam (the first in Washington given in 
Braille) that I looked into taking another state's exam just to enhance my 
credentials.

I learned through  the Internet that almost every state requires the 
Multistate Bar Exam (MBE), the Multistate Essay Exam (MEE), the Multistate 
Performance Test (MPT), and the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam 
(MPRE).  All of these tests have been developed by the National Conference 
of Bar Examiners (NCBE), but are given by each state along with any local 
components.  A few states have agreed to give the Uniform Bar Exam 
(UBE--which contains all of the above tests) and honor raw data scores from 
each others' examinees, but all other states make would-be lawyers  write 
each exam in the original when applying for their licenses.

Had enough alphabet soup yet?

Starting this July, Washington State will be giving the UBE, along with the 
Washington Law Component (WLC),, a 60-question, online, open book multiple 
choice test self-administered by the examinee, who will be given 15 or so 
subject outlines of Washington law whose approach is unique to our state.

There now, the last spoonful of ABC's , if you've not already choked.

Until now, Washington's test has consisted of 24 timed essays, 18 in 
substantive law and 6 on Washington's professional conduct rules, written 
within a mandatory character count.

I took my bar review course from BARBRI, who gave me Braille subject 
outlines and practice essay questions.  The Braille was pretty sloppy, but 
it was Braille, and I got it on time.  They'd contracted with the Disabled 
Student Services of Southern Illinois University to produce it.

In March, I asked whether Braille was available for the California, Texas, 
or Minnesota bar exams, and learned that there was none.  I'd need a 
warehouse to hold it, I was told, if produced.  Turns out that I'm the only 
person whose asked Barbri for Braille in recent memory.

My Internet searches have turned up no bar review courses that even mention 
the ADA, much less offer Braille.  The NCBE offers study aids and practice 
exams online and through its store, but no reference to Braille is made for 
these.  I do know that NCBE does offer Braille for the bar exams themselves.

So, given all the above, what have each of you done to prepare for and take 
the bar exam?  Whose courses did you use?  Did you get Braille materials, 
use speech alone, study through your smart phones, or use Braille displays? 
Did you answer with your laptop, dictate to your  proctor, or do something 
else?  And how did you judge in advance what time you'd need for the 
performance test?

And why is ExamSoft getting away with making inaccessible test software when 
every law school and state bar association using it has to obey the ADA?

I got sick in mid-April and didn't follow through on my own project.  Now it 
seems I may need to take all those multistate tests anyway,since I've  just 
missed passing Washington's last essay exam.

So would you share your experiences with me, please?  I'm now fascinated 
with this whole subject of across the country lawyer testing, reciprocity 
and lack thereof, and accessibility.

Heartfelt thanks.

Elizabeth




From angie.matney at gmail.com  Mon May 13 02:27:02 2013
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:27:02 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
In-Reply-To: <6B08680247F84322BDAD6C8FF36EBF7A@elizabethrene>
References: <6B08680247F84322BDAD6C8FF36EBF7A@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <0878C90C9B0041109EB57AA2D45E6EE5@arm4rPC>

Hello Elizabeth:

I took the Virginia Bar Exam in 2009. My exam consisted of the MBE and a 
Virginia state essay portion.

Bar/Bri offered two outlines for each subject--a long-form and a short-form. 
I got the short-form outlines in Braille and the long-form ones 
electronically. I was told I had to choose--I could not have the same thing 
in Braille and in electronic format also.

I also took an MBE course from Kaplan, and this was a good experience. I 
believe I only received their material in electronic format. I don't think I 
asked them for Braille. They were much quicker about providing the 
electronic materials than Bar/Bri.

My actual exam was in  Braille. NCBE produced the MBE, while the Virginia 
Board of Bar Examiners was responsible for the state portion. They 
contracted with our state Department for the Blind and Vision Impaired. All 
of the Braille I used was fine--no problems there.

I recorded all of my answers on a laptop. I was apparently the first person 
to ask for JAWS as an accommodation of any sort on the VA exam. I was 
initially told I would be required to dictate my answers to a court 
reporter. I have to say, the thought of trying to dictate essay answers 
terrified me. But eventually they came around, and I was able to type my 
answers in Notepad with JAWS, while using the hard-copy Braille to access 
the questions.

Good luck,

Angie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses


> Hi all,
>
> Many of us have recently taken bar examinations, and most likely have used 
> bar review courses to prepare for them.  We've all cheered for those 
> who've passed, and we all remember the struggles of those who've had to 
> litigate to get reasonable accommodations from the NCBE.
>
> I was so pumped up after my February exam (the first in Washington given 
> in Braille) that I looked into taking another state's exam just to enhance 
> my credentials.
>
> I learned through  the Internet that almost every state requires the 
> Multistate Bar Exam (MBE), the Multistate Essay Exam (MEE), the Multistate 
> Performance Test (MPT), and the Multistate Professional Responsibility 
> Exam (MPRE).  All of these tests have been developed by the National 
> Conference of Bar Examiners (NCBE), but are given by each state along with 
> any local components.  A few states have agreed to give the Uniform Bar 
> Exam (UBE--which contains all of the above tests) and honor raw data 
> scores from each others' examinees, but all other states make would-be 
> lawyers  write each exam in the original when applying for their licenses.
>
> Had enough alphabet soup yet?
>
> Starting this July, Washington State will be giving the UBE, along with 
> the Washington Law Component (WLC),, a 60-question, online, open book 
> multiple choice test self-administered by the examinee, who will be given 
> 15 or so subject outlines of Washington law whose approach is unique to 
> our state.
>
> There now, the last spoonful of ABC's , if you've not already choked.
>
> Until now, Washington's test has consisted of 24 timed essays, 18 in 
> substantive law and 6 on Washington's professional conduct rules, written 
> within a mandatory character count.
>
> I took my bar review course from BARBRI, who gave me Braille subject 
> outlines and practice essay questions.  The Braille was pretty sloppy, but 
> it was Braille, and I got it on time.  They'd contracted with the Disabled 
> Student Services of Southern Illinois University to produce it.
>
> In March, I asked whether Braille was available for the California, Texas, 
> or Minnesota bar exams, and learned that there was none.  I'd need a 
> warehouse to hold it, I was told, if produced.  Turns out that I'm the 
> only person whose asked Barbri for Braille in recent memory.
>
> My Internet searches have turned up no bar review courses that even 
> mention the ADA, much less offer Braille.  The NCBE offers study aids and 
> practice exams online and through its store, but no reference to Braille 
> is made for these.  I do know that NCBE does offer Braille for the bar 
> exams themselves.
>
> So, given all the above, what have each of you done to prepare for and 
> take the bar exam?  Whose courses did you use?  Did you get Braille 
> materials, use speech alone, study through your smart phones, or use 
> Braille displays? Did you answer with your laptop, dictate to your 
> proctor, or do something else?  And how did you judge in advance what time 
> you'd need for the performance test?
>
> And why is ExamSoft getting away with making inaccessible test software 
> when every law school and state bar association using it has to obey the 
> ADA?
>
> I got sick in mid-April and didn't follow through on my own project.  Now 
> it seems I may need to take all those multistate tests anyway,since I've 
> just missed passing Washington's last essay exam.
>
> So would you share your experiences with me, please?  I'm now fascinated 
> with this whole subject of across the country lawyer testing, reciprocity 
> and lack thereof, and accessibility.
>
> Heartfelt thanks.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Mon May 13 02:28:26 2013
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:28:26 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
In-Reply-To: <6B08680247F84322BDAD6C8FF36EBF7A@elizabethrene>
References: <6B08680247F84322BDAD6C8FF36EBF7A@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <DBE1302BAF9E4B5DBD45BC62644D96CA@arm4rPC>

I forgot to add that I received the Bar/Bri course on an iPod Nano with 
speech enabled. The Kaplan course lectures came on CDs or DVDs.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses


> Hi all,
>
> Many of us have recently taken bar examinations, and most likely have used 
> bar review courses to prepare for them.  We've all cheered for those 
> who've passed, and we all remember the struggles of those who've had to 
> litigate to get reasonable accommodations from the NCBE.
>
> I was so pumped up after my February exam (the first in Washington given 
> in Braille) that I looked into taking another state's exam just to enhance 
> my credentials.
>
> I learned through  the Internet that almost every state requires the 
> Multistate Bar Exam (MBE), the Multistate Essay Exam (MEE), the Multistate 
> Performance Test (MPT), and the Multistate Professional Responsibility 
> Exam (MPRE).  All of these tests have been developed by the National 
> Conference of Bar Examiners (NCBE), but are given by each state along with 
> any local components.  A few states have agreed to give the Uniform Bar 
> Exam (UBE--which contains all of the above tests) and honor raw data 
> scores from each others' examinees, but all other states make would-be 
> lawyers  write each exam in the original when applying for their licenses.
>
> Had enough alphabet soup yet?
>
> Starting this July, Washington State will be giving the UBE, along with 
> the Washington Law Component (WLC),, a 60-question, online, open book 
> multiple choice test self-administered by the examinee, who will be given 
> 15 or so subject outlines of Washington law whose approach is unique to 
> our state.
>
> There now, the last spoonful of ABC's , if you've not already choked.
>
> Until now, Washington's test has consisted of 24 timed essays, 18 in 
> substantive law and 6 on Washington's professional conduct rules, written 
> within a mandatory character count.
>
> I took my bar review course from BARBRI, who gave me Braille subject 
> outlines and practice essay questions.  The Braille was pretty sloppy, but 
> it was Braille, and I got it on time.  They'd contracted with the Disabled 
> Student Services of Southern Illinois University to produce it.
>
> In March, I asked whether Braille was available for the California, Texas, 
> or Minnesota bar exams, and learned that there was none.  I'd need a 
> warehouse to hold it, I was told, if produced.  Turns out that I'm the 
> only person whose asked Barbri for Braille in recent memory.
>
> My Internet searches have turned up no bar review courses that even 
> mention the ADA, much less offer Braille.  The NCBE offers study aids and 
> practice exams online and through its store, but no reference to Braille 
> is made for these.  I do know that NCBE does offer Braille for the bar 
> exams themselves.
>
> So, given all the above, what have each of you done to prepare for and 
> take the bar exam?  Whose courses did you use?  Did you get Braille 
> materials, use speech alone, study through your smart phones, or use 
> Braille displays? Did you answer with your laptop, dictate to your 
> proctor, or do something else?  And how did you judge in advance what time 
> you'd need for the performance test?
>
> And why is ExamSoft getting away with making inaccessible test software 
> when every law school and state bar association using it has to obey the 
> ADA?
>
> I got sick in mid-April and didn't follow through on my own project.  Now 
> it seems I may need to take all those multistate tests anyway,since I've 
> just missed passing Washington's last essay exam.
>
> So would you share your experiences with me, please?  I'm now fascinated 
> with this whole subject of across the country lawyer testing, reciprocity 
> and lack thereof, and accessibility.
>
> Heartfelt thanks.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
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From b.s.spiry at gmail.com  Mon May 13 04:29:09 2013
From: b.s.spiry at gmail.com (Bill Spiry)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 21:29:09 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
In-Reply-To: <DBE1302BAF9E4B5DBD45BC62644D96CA@arm4rPC>
References: <6B08680247F84322BDAD6C8FF36EBF7A@elizabethrene>
	<DBE1302BAF9E4B5DBD45BC62644D96CA@arm4rPC>
Message-ID: <000b01ce4f92$6abe9ee0$403bdca0$@gmail.com>

Elizabeth, the short version...
I used BARBRI. , I think I helped them get their online materials and tools
into semi accessible condition. Their stuff is not bad now. I got all the
study materials electronically and I also used their iOS app extensively for
prep on multi state materials. Basically drilled the M/C questions during
any spare time traveling or waiting. Barbri essay prep was challenging, I
took the course at the 8 week "PACE" schedule pace and it was a real push.
Always felt like I wasn't doing enough because there were not enough hours
in the day. The BARBRI PACE program was not terribly friendly for someone
without vision, I spent too much time just trying to translate it into
something I could work with. Finally, I stopped worrying about the "PACE"
curriculum  and just focused on a few areas I knew were shaky for me.
ultimately, I passed the first try and that is the proof in the pudding I
suppose. I also used BARBRI's prep materials for the MPRE, the iOS app was a
real help there. I found I could use any time to drill and it paid off. I
had a strong score on the MPRE. 

As to accommodations for the exams themselves...
For the MPRE, getting accommodation from NCBA was a real PITA. After it got
to the point of a near trigger pull on another lawsuit, I finally got a
degree of grudging cooperation from someone and worked out taking the MPRE
on a computer configured with JAWS, using a Word version of the booklet that
I could mark and review myself. I transferred answers to the bubbles with
the help of an assistant from NCBA.
For the bar itself, the Oregon bar was great to work with. They actually
helped advocate for me when I ran into some resistance from the NCBA on
formats and process for the multi state section of the exam (NCBA actually
tried to backtrack from what they had allowed for me on the MPRE, the twits
are slow learners.). in the end, I received the accommodations I requested.

If you'd like to discuss or have questions, feel free to give me a call.

Bill Spiry
Attorney at Law
(541) 510-2623
Bill.spiry at gmail.com 

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I forgot to add that I received the Bar/Bri course on an iPod Nano with
speech enabled. The Kaplan course lectures came on CDs or DVDs.


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:55 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses


> Hi all,
>
> Many of us have recently taken bar examinations, and most likely have used

> bar review courses to prepare for them.  We've all cheered for those 
> who've passed, and we all remember the struggles of those who've had to 
> litigate to get reasonable accommodations from the NCBE.
>
> I was so pumped up after my February exam (the first in Washington given 
> in Braille) that I looked into taking another state's exam just to enhance

> my credentials.
>
> I learned through  the Internet that almost every state requires the 
> Multistate Bar Exam (MBE), the Multistate Essay Exam (MEE), the Multistate

> Performance Test (MPT), and the Multistate Professional Responsibility 
> Exam (MPRE).  All of these tests have been developed by the National 
> Conference of Bar Examiners (NCBE), but are given by each state along with

> any local components.  A few states have agreed to give the Uniform Bar 
> Exam (UBE--which contains all of the above tests) and honor raw data 
> scores from each others' examinees, but all other states make would-be 
> lawyers  write each exam in the original when applying for their licenses.
>
> Had enough alphabet soup yet?
>
> Starting this July, Washington State will be giving the UBE, along with 
> the Washington Law Component (WLC),, a 60-question, online, open book 
> multiple choice test self-administered by the examinee, who will be given 
> 15 or so subject outlines of Washington law whose approach is unique to 
> our state.
>
> There now, the last spoonful of ABC's , if you've not already choked.
>
> Until now, Washington's test has consisted of 24 timed essays, 18 in 
> substantive law and 6 on Washington's professional conduct rules, written 
> within a mandatory character count.
>
> I took my bar review course from BARBRI, who gave me Braille subject 
> outlines and practice essay questions.  The Braille was pretty sloppy, but

> it was Braille, and I got it on time.  They'd contracted with the Disabled

> Student Services of Southern Illinois University to produce it.
>
> In March, I asked whether Braille was available for the California, Texas,

> or Minnesota bar exams, and learned that there was none.  I'd need a 
> warehouse to hold it, I was told, if produced.  Turns out that I'm the 
> only person whose asked Barbri for Braille in recent memory.
>
> My Internet searches have turned up no bar review courses that even 
> mention the ADA, much less offer Braille.  The NCBE offers study aids and 
> practice exams online and through its store, but no reference to Braille 
> is made for these.  I do know that NCBE does offer Braille for the bar 
> exams themselves.
>
> So, given all the above, what have each of you done to prepare for and 
> take the bar exam?  Whose courses did you use?  Did you get Braille 
> materials, use speech alone, study through your smart phones, or use 
> Braille displays? Did you answer with your laptop, dictate to your 
> proctor, or do something else?  And how did you judge in advance what time

> you'd need for the performance test?
>
> And why is ExamSoft getting away with making inaccessible test software 
> when every law school and state bar association using it has to obey the 
> ADA?
>
> I got sick in mid-April and didn't follow through on my own project.  Now 
> it seems I may need to take all those multistate tests anyway,since I've 
> just missed passing Washington's last essay exam.
>
> So would you share your experiences with me, please?  I'm now fascinated 
> with this whole subject of across the country lawyer testing, reciprocity 
> and lack thereof, and accessibility.
>
> Heartfelt thanks.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Mon May 13 05:20:21 2013
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:20:21 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
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Hi Elizabeth,
I took the 2010 California Bar Exam and went with BarMax, which was brand new at the time and gave people willing to try it a ridiculous deal. Their materials are all contained on the phone. You select a subject and are presented with an outline you can scroll through and an audio player for the corresponding lecture. The app also includes their suggested study calendar, multiple-choice, essay and performance test practice, and notecards. They also email you watermarked electronic copies of the calendar, skeleton outlines for notetaking and essay and performance test questions with and without answers. Their two month schedule was pretty easy with morning and afternoon blocks for the eight weeks leading up to the exam; I even modified it by adding a break to attend a wedding. They offer courses for California, New York, and the UBE for $999.99 and just the MBE for $499.99. For some reason, apps are not universal, so if you buy the native iPad version it won't work on your phone, but of course that isn't true the other way around. Like other services, they offer a free MPRE course you can use to get a feel for how their app works. They had no idea what VoiceOver was when I contacted them about a demo before the MPRE app was out, so I guess the app's remarkable degree of accessibility was entirely coincidental to their wanting to build an easy to navigate interface, but as far as I know they haven't done anything to ruin it since.
I took the exam with a reader and scribe, with a proctor observing over the course of six days that I don't remember all that well. The worst part of doing it this way was the performance exams, since the reader essentially had to read for the better part of an hour (or more) to get through all the material. Only when the proctor mentioned it did I realize I could have at least asked for a note taker. The reader was very obliging though in reading back specific passages and the scribe was very patient too. Having done the practices with an electronic prompt and a laptop, the whole thing on the actual exam days proved a little slower and uncertain. It all worked out though, leaving me only the minor concern of finding a paying job.
I hope that helps in some way, or that you'll let me know if I can clear anything up.

Good luck,
Aser

On May 12, 2013, at 9:29 PM, "Bill Spiry" <b.s.spiry at gmail.com> wrote:

> Elizabeth, the short version...
> I used BARBRI. , I think I helped them get their online materials and tools
> into semi accessible condition. Their stuff is not bad now. I got all the
> study materials electronically and I also used their iOS app extensively for
> prep on multi state materials. Basically drilled the M/C questions during
> any spare time traveling or waiting. Barbri essay prep was challenging, I
> took the course at the 8 week "PACE" schedule pace and it was a real push.
> Always felt like I wasn't doing enough because there were not enough hours
> in the day. The BARBRI PACE program was not terribly friendly for someone
> without vision, I spent too much time just trying to translate it into
> something I could work with. Finally, I stopped worrying about the "PACE"
> curriculum  and just focused on a few areas I knew were shaky for me.
> ultimately, I passed the first try and that is the proof in the pudding I
> suppose. I also used BARBRI's prep materials for the MPRE, the iOS app was a
> real help there. I found I could use any time to drill and it paid off. I
> had a strong score on the MPRE. 
> 
> As to accommodations for the exams themselves...
> For the MPRE, getting accommodation from NCBA was a real PITA. After it got
> to the point of a near trigger pull on another lawsuit, I finally got a
> degree of grudging cooperation from someone and worked out taking the MPRE
> on a computer configured with JAWS, using a Word version of the booklet that
> I could mark and review myself. I transferred answers to the bubbles with
> the help of an assistant from NCBA.
> For the bar itself, the Oregon bar was great to work with. They actually
> helped advocate for me when I ran into some resistance from the NCBA on
> formats and process for the multi state section of the exam (NCBA actually
> tried to backtrack from what they had allowed for me on the MPRE, the twits
> are slow learners.). in the end, I received the accommodations I requested.
> 
> If you'd like to discuss or have questions, feel free to give me a call.
> 
> Bill Spiry
> Attorney at Law
> (541) 510-2623
> Bill.spiry at gmail.com 
> 
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> Matney
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 7:28 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
> 
> I forgot to add that I received the Bar/Bri course on an iPod Nano with
> speech enabled. The Kaplan course lectures came on CDs or DVDs.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth Rene" <emrene at earthlink.net>
> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:55 PM
> Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Many of us have recently taken bar examinations, and most likely have used
> 
>> bar review courses to prepare for them.  We've all cheered for those 
>> who've passed, and we all remember the struggles of those who've had to 
>> litigate to get reasonable accommodations from the NCBE.
>> 
>> I was so pumped up after my February exam (the first in Washington given 
>> in Braille) that I looked into taking another state's exam just to enhance
> 
>> my credentials.
>> 
>> I learned through  the Internet that almost every state requires the 
>> Multistate Bar Exam (MBE), the Multistate Essay Exam (MEE), the Multistate
> 
>> Performance Test (MPT), and the Multistate Professional Responsibility 
>> Exam (MPRE).  All of these tests have been developed by the National 
>> Conference of Bar Examiners (NCBE), but are given by each state along with
> 
>> any local components.  A few states have agreed to give the Uniform Bar 
>> Exam (UBE--which contains all of the above tests) and honor raw data 
>> scores from each others' examinees, but all other states make would-be 
>> lawyers  write each exam in the original when applying for their licenses.
>> 
>> Had enough alphabet soup yet?
>> 
>> Starting this July, Washington State will be giving the UBE, along with 
>> the Washington Law Component (WLC),, a 60-question, online, open book 
>> multiple choice test self-administered by the examinee, who will be given 
>> 15 or so subject outlines of Washington law whose approach is unique to 
>> our state.
>> 
>> There now, the last spoonful of ABC's , if you've not already choked.
>> 
>> Until now, Washington's test has consisted of 24 timed essays, 18 in 
>> substantive law and 6 on Washington's professional conduct rules, written 
>> within a mandatory character count.
>> 
>> I took my bar review course from BARBRI, who gave me Braille subject 
>> outlines and practice essay questions.  The Braille was pretty sloppy, but
> 
>> it was Braille, and I got it on time.  They'd contracted with the Disabled
> 
>> Student Services of Southern Illinois University to produce it.
>> 
>> In March, I asked whether Braille was available for the California, Texas,
> 
>> or Minnesota bar exams, and learned that there was none.  I'd need a 
>> warehouse to hold it, I was told, if produced.  Turns out that I'm the 
>> only person whose asked Barbri for Braille in recent memory.
>> 
>> My Internet searches have turned up no bar review courses that even 
>> mention the ADA, much less offer Braille.  The NCBE offers study aids and 
>> practice exams online and through its store, but no reference to Braille 
>> is made for these.  I do know that NCBE does offer Braille for the bar 
>> exams themselves.
>> 
>> So, given all the above, what have each of you done to prepare for and 
>> take the bar exam?  Whose courses did you use?  Did you get Braille 
>> materials, use speech alone, study through your smart phones, or use 
>> Braille displays? Did you answer with your laptop, dictate to your 
>> proctor, or do something else?  And how did you judge in advance what time
> 
>> you'd need for the performance test?
>> 
>> And why is ExamSoft getting away with making inaccessible test software 
>> when every law school and state bar association using it has to obey the 
>> ADA?
>> 
>> I got sick in mid-April and didn't follow through on my own project.  Now 
>> it seems I may need to take all those multistate tests anyway,since I've 
>> just missed passing Washington's last essay exam.
>> 
>> So would you share your experiences with me, please?  I'm now fascinated 
>> with this whole subject of across the country lawyer testing, reciprocity 
>> and lack thereof, and accessibility.
>> 
>> Heartfelt thanks.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Mon May 13 06:34:03 2013
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:04:03 +0530
Subject: [blindlaw] First legal internship: suggestions needed
Message-ID: <CADFycPZFWQdtQNHDcZ1S5wiWMOA9bBaFw6d5b7ZKZtYpPUGJUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I hope this message finds you well.
This is my first message to the list. I'm a first-year law student
from Nagpur, India.
I'll be doing my first legal internship later this summer.
The internship will be at an institution which acts as a connecting
link b/w consumers and brands in order to resolve consumer disputes.
I'm a bit nervous and apprehensive as this will be my first ever internship.
I did mention about my disability in my CV and in the application
form, but they didn't bring it up during the telephonic interview.

I would be extremely grateful if you would be kind enough to answer
the following question:
How should I navigate independently in the office? Should I take
someone with me for my assistance, or should I ask them to delegate
this function to one of their workers?
I will just need some assistance for the first couple of days in order
to familiarise myself with the environment. I'll be able to navigate
independently after that.
Any tips/suggestions would be really appreciated.

Best,
Rahul


From mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com  Mon May 13 12:42:16 2013
From: mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com (Nicholas Parsons)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 22:42:16 +1000
Subject: [blindlaw] First legal internship: suggestions needed
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Hi Rahul,

I'm a law student myself. I've done a few internships, but perhaps someone with more experience will be able to help you more than I can.

However, to start with, I'd have to ask how you usually navigate around? For instance, how did you learn your way around your university campus?

When it gets closer to the start date of your internship, I'd suggest you contact the organisation and discuss this with them. It might be a matter of you going in a few days earlier than your scheduled start date to do some orientation work with someone. Alternatively, they might say they're happy to show you around the first couple of days until you get the hang of things.

In short, I suggest you propose a couple of suggestions to them and let them choose which is most convenient for them.

In the States or Australia where I'm from no company would really have the spare resources to designate one person to be the eyes for an intern for their whole program. I know India is likely very different given the different cost of labour. However, it's hard for me to imagine them providing this for an intern.

So, depending on how well and fast you usually orientate yourself to new environments, I'd suggest you ask someone to show you around the office initially. After that, for the first day or two you could probably just ask a colleague or other office staff (such as security, secretaries or other general office staff) to show you from A to B if you don't know your way. Depending on how much moving around in the office your job will require, you'll probably get the hang of things very quickly. For me, the main thing has usually been to know the way from the entrance to my desk, and from  my desk to the toilet and back. When I'm going for lunch or attending meetings there's usually other people whom I can follow.

Hope this helps and best of luck with your internship.

Nic

On 13/05/2013, at 4:34 PM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I hope this message finds you well.
This is my first message to the list. I'm a first-year law student
from Nagpur, India.
I'll be doing my first legal internship later this summer.
The internship will be at an institution which acts as a connecting
link b/w consumers and brands in order to resolve consumer disputes.
I'm a bit nervous and apprehensive as this will be my first ever internship.
I did mention about my disability in my CV and in the application
form, but they didn't bring it up during the telephonic interview.

I would be extremely grateful if you would be kind enough to answer
the following question:
How should I navigate independently in the office? Should I take
someone with me for my assistance, or should I ask them to delegate
this function to one of their workers?
I will just need some assistance for the first couple of days in order
to familiarise myself with the environment. I'll be able to navigate
independently after that.
Any tips/suggestions would be really appreciated.

Best,
Rahul

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From deepa.goraya at gmail.com  Mon May 13 15:27:22 2013
From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 08:27:22 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] First legal internship: suggestions needed
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Hi Rahul,

I've had several internships, most in DC. When I first came to DC, I used a
mobility instructor to help me learn how to use the metro system and to
learn the general area around my internship and housing. After that, I
occasionally used an instructor or friend to show me the location of each
office I interned at. As for navigating the office building, I just asked
co-workers to show me the general layout of the office the first couple of
days, where the bathroom was, the cafeteria if they had one, etc. Then I
just got used to the layout as I walked around. If I got lost, I would just
ask for directions. Usually co-workers were fine with helping me get
oriented.

Hope this helps.

Deepa

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas
Parsons
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:42 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] First legal internship: suggestions needed

Hi Rahul,

I'm a law student myself. I've done a few internships, but perhaps someone
with more experience will be able to help you more than I can.

However, to start with, I'd have to ask how you usually navigate around? For
instance, how did you learn your way around your university campus?

When it gets closer to the start date of your internship, I'd suggest you
contact the organisation and discuss this with them. It might be a matter of
you going in a few days earlier than your scheduled start date to do some
orientation work with someone. Alternatively, they might say they're happy
to show you around the first couple of days until you get the hang of
things.

In short, I suggest you propose a couple of suggestions to them and let them
choose which is most convenient for them.

In the States or Australia where I'm from no company would really have the
spare resources to designate one person to be the eyes for an intern for
their whole program. I know India is likely very different given the
different cost of labour. However, it's hard for me to imagine them
providing this for an intern.

So, depending on how well and fast you usually orientate yourself to new
environments, I'd suggest you ask someone to show you around the office
initially. After that, for the first day or two you could probably just ask
a colleague or other office staff (such as security, secretaries or other
general office staff) to show you from A to B if you don't know your way.
Depending on how much moving around in the office your job will require,
you'll probably get the hang of things very quickly. For me, the main thing
has usually been to know the way from the entrance to my desk, and from  my
desk to the toilet and back. When I'm going for lunch or attending meetings
there's usually other people whom I can follow.

Hope this helps and best of luck with your internship.

Nic

On 13/05/2013, at 4:34 PM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I hope this message finds you well.
This is my first message to the list. I'm a first-year law student from
Nagpur, India.
I'll be doing my first legal internship later this summer.
The internship will be at an institution which acts as a connecting link b/w
consumers and brands in order to resolve consumer disputes.
I'm a bit nervous and apprehensive as this will be my first ever internship.
I did mention about my disability in my CV and in the application form, but
they didn't bring it up during the telephonic interview.

I would be extremely grateful if you would be kind enough to answer the
following question:
How should I navigate independently in the office? Should I take someone
with me for my assistance, or should I ask them to delegate this function to
one of their workers?
I will just need some assistance for the first couple of days in order to
familiarise myself with the environment. I'll be able to navigate
independently after that.
Any tips/suggestions would be really appreciated.

Best,
Rahul

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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Mon May 13 18:04:31 2013
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 23:34:31 +0530
Subject: [blindlaw] First legal internship: suggestions needed
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Hi Nicholas and Deepa,

Thanks for your responses --  what you said does make a lot of sense.
Nicholas, to  answer your question, I usually take the help of my
friends to move around and occasionally use my cane. But I don't need
it much because I have become  pretty familiar with the layout of  my
college campus.  When I go to unfamiliar places, I generally rely
heavily on sighted assistance.
You are right in saying that very few institutions would be willing to
designate   a person  to specially  look   after an intern.
Moreover, I would hate to ask for such a favour as it would portray a
very bad picture. I don't want to be seen as  a liability for the
organisation.
 I guess the best way would be to ask for assistance from   the other
staff from time to time.
  Hopefully, my co-workers will be helpful and supportive.

Once again, thank you for your wonderful replies. They have really
helped me to decide my future course of action.

Best,
Rahul



On 13/05/2013, Deepa Goraya <deepa.goraya at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Rahul,
>
> I've had several internships, most in DC. When I first came to DC, I used a
> mobility instructor to help me learn how to use the metro system and to
> learn the general area around my internship and housing. After that, I
> occasionally used an instructor or friend to show me the location of each
> office I interned at. As for navigating the office building, I just asked
> co-workers to show me the general layout of the office the first couple of
> days, where the bathroom was, the cafeteria if they had one, etc. Then I
> just got used to the layout as I walked around. If I got lost, I would just
> ask for directions. Usually co-workers were fine with helping me get
> oriented.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Deepa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas
> Parsons
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 5:42 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] First legal internship: suggestions needed
>
> Hi Rahul,
>
> I'm a law student myself. I've done a few internships, but perhaps someone
> with more experience will be able to help you more than I can.
>
> However, to start with, I'd have to ask how you usually navigate around?
> For
> instance, how did you learn your way around your university campus?
>
> When it gets closer to the start date of your internship, I'd suggest you
> contact the organisation and discuss this with them. It might be a matter
> of
> you going in a few days earlier than your scheduled start date to do some
> orientation work with someone. Alternatively, they might say they're happy
> to show you around the first couple of days until you get the hang of
> things.
>
> In short, I suggest you propose a couple of suggestions to them and let
> them
> choose which is most convenient for them.
>
> In the States or Australia where I'm from no company would really have the
> spare resources to designate one person to be the eyes for an intern for
> their whole program. I know India is likely very different given the
> different cost of labour. However, it's hard for me to imagine them
> providing this for an intern.
>
> So, depending on how well and fast you usually orientate yourself to new
> environments, I'd suggest you ask someone to show you around the office
> initially. After that, for the first day or two you could probably just ask
> a colleague or other office staff (such as security, secretaries or other
> general office staff) to show you from A to B if you don't know your way.
> Depending on how much moving around in the office your job will require,
> you'll probably get the hang of things very quickly. For me, the main thing
> has usually been to know the way from the entrance to my desk, and from  my
> desk to the toilet and back. When I'm going for lunch or attending meetings
> there's usually other people whom I can follow.
>
> Hope this helps and best of luck with your internship.
>
> Nic
>
> On 13/05/2013, at 4:34 PM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I hope this message finds you well.
> This is my first message to the list. I'm a first-year law student from
> Nagpur, India.
> I'll be doing my first legal internship later this summer.
> The internship will be at an institution which acts as a connecting link
> b/w
> consumers and brands in order to resolve consumer disputes.
> I'm a bit nervous and apprehensive as this will be my first ever
> internship.
> I did mention about my disability in my CV and in the application form, but
> they didn't bring it up during the telephonic interview.
>
> I would be extremely grateful if you would be kind enough to answer the
> following question:
> How should I navigate independently in the office? Should I take someone
> with me for my assistance, or should I ask them to delegate this function
> to
> one of their workers?
> I will just need some assistance for the first couple of days in order to
> familiarise myself with the environment. I'll be able to navigate
> independently after that.
> Any tips/suggestions would be really appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Rahul
>
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From mlniska04 at yahoo.com  Mon May 13 18:31:07 2013
From: mlniska04 at yahoo.com (Matthias L. Niska)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:31:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [blindlaw] Need some case authority
In-Reply-To: <mailman.36.1368464416.23493.blindlaw_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <1368469867.95194.YahooMailClassic@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Ross,

I just happened to be researching the CVAA on Friday, and found out that it applies to cell phones that contain Web browsers. Or to be more precise, it requires that the web browser function on a cell phone, as well as the ability to launch said web browser, be accessible to persons with disabilities.  While my understanding is that CVAA doesn't have a private right of action (I believe one has to file an administrative complaint with the FCC) you might want to check out that statute and its regulations. Specifically, you could start with 47 U.S.C. § 619 and accompanying regulations.

Here is the text of Section 619:

(a) Accessibility

If a manufacturer of a telephone used with public mobile services (as such term is defined in section 610(b)(4)(B) of this title) includes an Internet browser in such telephone, or if a provider of mobile service arranges for the inclusion of a browser in telephones to sell to customers, the manufacturer or provider shall ensure that the functions of the included browser (including the ability to launch the browser) are accessible to and usable by individuals who are blind or have a visual impairment, unless doing so is not achievable, except that this subsection shall not impose any requirement on such manufacturer or provider--

(1) to make accessible or usable any Internet browser other than a browser that such manufacturer or provider includes or arranges to include in the telephone; or

(2) to make Internet content, applications, or services accessible or usable (other than enabling individuals with disabilities to use an included browser to access such content, applications, or services).

(b) Industry flexibility

A manufacturer or provider may satisfy the requirements of subsection (a) with respect to such telephone or services by--

(1) ensuring that the telephone or services that such manufacture or provider offers is accessible to and usable by individuals with disabilities without the use of third party applications, peripheral devices, software, hardware, or customer premises equipment; or

(2) using third party applications, peripheral devices, software, hardware, or customer premises equipment that is available to the consumer at nominal cost and that individuals with disabilities can access.


I hope that is helpful,
Matthias

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> review courses (Elizabeth Rene)
>    3. Re: Accessibility of bar exams and bar
> review courses
>       (Angie Matney)
>    4. Re: Accessibility of bar exams and bar
> review courses
>       (Angie Matney)
>    5. Re: Accessibility of bar exams and bar
> review courses (Bill Spiry)
>    6. Re: Accessibility of bar exams and bar
> review courses
>       (Aser Tolentino)
>    7. First legal internship: suggestions
> needed (Rahul Bajaj)
>    8. Re: First legal internship: suggestions
> needed (Nicholas Parsons)
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon May 13 18:40:54 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:40:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Need some case authority
In-Reply-To: <1368469867.95194.YahooMailClassic@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.36.1368464416.23493.blindlaw_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<1368469867.95194.YahooMailClassic@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E25CC2E616564BF497729D8A962D3B2D@mycomputer>

That is extremely helpful. While it deals primarily with web browsing on a
phone, it still gets to the point.
If you run across any case authority that makes it into any particular state
or federal court I'd apprciate nowing about it.
Thanks Mathias.
Ross
 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthias L.
Niska
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:31 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Need some case authority

Ross,

I just happened to be researching the CVAA on Friday, and found out that it
applies to cell phones that contain Web browsers. Or to be more precise, it
requires that the web browser function on a cell phone, as well as the
ability to launch said web browser, be accessible to persons with
disabilities.  While my understanding is that CVAA doesn't have a private
right of action (I believe one has to file an administrative complaint with
the FCC) you might want to check out that statute and its regulations.
Specifically, you could start with 47 U.S.C. § 619 and accompanying
regulations.

Here is the text of Section 619:

(a) Accessibility

If a manufacturer of a telephone used with public mobile services (as such
term is defined in section 610(b)(4)(B) of this title) includes an Internet
browser in such telephone, or if a provider of mobile service arranges for
the inclusion of a browser in telephones to sell to customers, the
manufacturer or provider shall ensure that the functions of the included
browser (including the ability to launch the browser) are accessible to and
usable by individuals who are blind or have a visual impairment, unless
doing so is not achievable, except that this subsection shall not impose any
requirement on such manufacturer or provider--

(1) to make accessible or usable any Internet browser other than a browser
that such manufacturer or provider includes or arranges to include in the
telephone; or

(2) to make Internet content, applications, or services accessible or usable
(other than enabling individuals with disabilities to use an included
browser to access such content, applications, or services).

(b) Industry flexibility

A manufacturer or provider may satisfy the requirements of subsection (a)
with respect to such telephone or services by--

(1) ensuring that the telephone or services that such manufacture or
provider offers is accessible to and usable by individuals with disabilities
without the use of third party applications, peripheral devices, software,
hardware, or customer premises equipment; or

(2) using third party applications, peripheral devices, software, hardware,
or customer premises equipment that is available to the consumer at nominal
cost and that individuals with disabilities can access.


I hope that is helpful,
Matthias

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>       (Angie Matney)
>    4. Re: Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
>       (Angie Matney)
>    5. Re: Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses (Bill 
> Spiry)
>    6. Re: Accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
>       (Aser Tolentino)
>    7. First legal internship: suggestions needed (Rahul Bajaj)
>    8. Re: First legal internship: suggestions needed (Nicholas 
> Parsons)
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From emrene at earthlink.net  Mon May 13 19:48:25 2013
From: emrene at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:48:25 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
Message-ID: <B39B1360F00A4CE0B09149CE4D096D53@elizabethrene>

    Thank you so much for writing, Angie, Bill, and Aser.  I most definitely 
will call and write in response to your helpful comments.

And if anyone else on this list has read my last post and has an opinion to 
share, please do write.  Or any of you may call me at 360-970-3594 (leave a 
voicemail if I'm not there) or email me off list at rene0373 at gmail.com.

Since I've already taken my state's  essay exam and don't want to have to 
shift formats with so little time to spare before July's test, I want to 
petition my bar association to test me using the old format.  This is their 
first UBE, I've been away from law school for decades, and they have 
countless old essays to choose from (every Washington lawyer to date has 
tested with the essays).  What do you all think of that?  Thumbs up or 
thumbs down?

Thanks again.

Elizabeth

 



From b.s.spiry at gmail.com  Mon May 13 21:23:14 2013
From: b.s.spiry at gmail.com (Bill Spiry)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:23:14 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Re accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
In-Reply-To: <B39B1360F00A4CE0B09149CE4D096D53@elizabethrene>
References: <B39B1360F00A4CE0B09149CE4D096D53@elizabethrene>
Message-ID: <003601ce5020$151200c0$3f360240$@gmail.com>

If you wouldn't be able to get accessible study materials for the new exam
form, you have a reasonable argument. You may still get substantial push
back though. The bar is pretty big on everyone taking the same exam with
same content as their scoring relies on that. There is a fair chance you
could not overcome that bar priority and would be left having to take the
current exam.

If it were me, I'd put my energy into demanding accessible preparation
materials with the bar, hold the bar accountable to assist you in getting
prep companies to figure out how to get you what you need. They changed the
testing protocol so they argueably have some duty to help folks needing
accommodation through that transition  by advocating as needed. Seems that
you might get more satisfaction on that rather than demanding they let you
take an old exam that differs from the content everyone else will have.

Bill Spiry
Attorney at Law
(541) 510-2623
Bill.spiry at gmail.com 

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Rene
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:48 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Re accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses

    Thank you so much for writing, Angie, Bill, and Aser.  I most definitely
will call and write in response to your helpful comments.

And if anyone else on this list has read my last post and has an opinion to
share, please do write.  Or any of you may call me at 360-970-3594 (leave a
voicemail if I'm not there) or email me off list at rene0373 at gmail.com.

Since I've already taken my state's  essay exam and don't want to have to
shift formats with so little time to spare before July's test, I want to
petition my bar association to test me using the old format.  This is their
first UBE, I've been away from law school for decades, and they have
countless old essays to choose from (every Washington lawyer to date has
tested with the essays).  What do you all think of that?  Thumbs up or
thumbs down?

Thanks again.

Elizabeth

 


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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Mon May 13 21:29:19 2013
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:29:19 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Re accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses
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References: <B39B1360F00A4CE0B09149CE4D096D53@elizabethrene>
	<003601ce5020$151200c0$3f360240$@gmail.com>
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I agree with this approach.  Asking to test you in a different format or
with a different test is probably too much to ask.


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To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Re accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses

If you wouldn't be able to get accessible study materials for the new exam
form, you have a reasonable argument. You may still get substantial push
back though. The bar is pretty big on everyone taking the same exam with
same content as their scoring relies on that. There is a fair chance you
could not overcome that bar priority and would be left having to take the
current exam.

If it were me, I'd put my energy into demanding accessible preparation
materials with the bar, hold the bar accountable to assist you in getting
prep companies to figure out how to get you what you need. They changed the
testing protocol so they argueably have some duty to help folks needing
accommodation through that transition  by advocating as needed. Seems that
you might get more satisfaction on that rather than demanding they let you
take an old exam that differs from the content everyone else will have.

Bill Spiry
Attorney at Law
(541) 510-2623
Bill.spiry at gmail.com 

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Rene
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:48 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Re accessibility of bar exams and bar review courses

    Thank you so much for writing, Angie, Bill, and Aser.  I most definitely
will call and write in response to your helpful comments.

And if anyone else on this list has read my last post and has an opinion to
share, please do write.  Or any of you may call me at 360-970-3594 (leave a
voicemail if I'm not there) or email me off list at rene0373 at gmail.com.

Since I've already taken my state's  essay exam and don't want to have to
shift formats with so little time to spare before July's test, I want to
petition my bar association to test me using the old format.  This is their
first UBE, I've been away from law school for decades, and they have
countless old essays to choose from (every Washington lawyer to date has
tested with the essays).  What do you all think of that?  Thumbs up or
thumbs down?

Thanks again.

Elizabeth

 


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From mnowicki4 at icloud.com  Mon May 13 22:52:43 2013
From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michael Nowicki)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 17:52:43 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies
Message-ID: <D6E739D3-E7CA-4EC4-8CD9-1BC32FBCFE13@icloud.com>

Hi everyone,

My name is Michal Nowicki and I am registered to take the LSAT in June. As I am preparing for this important exam, I am particularly concerned with the logic games sections because I can't find an effective way to keep track of all the conditions., and the suggested strategies are visual. I was approved to take the exam using a computer with JAWS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY DIAGRAMMING STRATEGIES? THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

Michal

Sent from my iPhone

From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Tue May 14 19:24:17 2013
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:24:17 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Best Recent Developments, Technology
Message-ID: <CAGZitz+GhFBt9-eteqCz01Vu2neX5pf_hEjV1K+FfrJxsqi23w@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:15:51 +0100
Subject:
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>

Hi all,

I don't always keep up with technology, as much as I should and I
wonder if people  had suggestions about the best recent developments
in terms of technology for the blind, be it hardware, software etc.?

Ger


From paulharpur at gmail.com  Wed May 15 00:20:22 2013
From: paulharpur at gmail.com (Paul Harpur)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:20:22 +1000
Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
Message-ID: <003401ce5101$ff72e4e0$fe58aea0$@gmail.com>

I have found universal design fantastic in smart phones.  Also, EBooks, when
they are accessible, are fantastic.  Culturally it is a nice touch when I
can easily down load a new book when my friends and colleagues are reading
it.  The only thing stopping me now is work eating into relaxation time.




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Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 5:24 AM
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Subject: [blindlaw] Best Recent Developments, Technology

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Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:15:51 +0100
Subject:
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Hi all,

I don't always keep up with technology, as much as I should and I wonder if
people  had suggestions about the best recent developments in terms of
technology for the blind, be it hardware, software etc.?

Ger

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From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com  Wed May 15 02:16:53 2013
From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sy Hoekstra)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:16:53 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
In-Reply-To: <003401ce5101$ff72e4e0$fe58aea0$@gmail.com>
References: <003401ce5101$ff72e4e0$fe58aea0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008301ce5112$4523fa50$cf6beef0$@gmail.com>

iPhone with the built-in voice over screen reader + an iPhone case that has
a slide-out Bluetooth qwerty keyboard. You can get the cases on Amazon for
like $20. It's an amazing combo. 

I suggest the Bluetooth keyboard cases for anyone using voiceover on the
iPhone. I actually don't know why any blind people have iPhones without them
because typing on a touch screen, even with voiceover, is so ridiculous. 

Sybren Hoekstra
New York University School of Law
J.D. candidate, class of 2014
(646) 358-2871

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Harpur
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:20 PM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology

I have found universal design fantastic in smart phones.  Also, EBooks, when
they are accessible, are fantastic.  Culturally it is a nice touch when I
can easily down load a new book when my friends and colleagues are reading
it.  The only thing stopping me now is work eating into relaxation time.




-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
Sadlier
Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 5:24 AM
To: BCAB Discussion List
Cc: blindlaw
Subject: [blindlaw] Best Recent Developments, Technology

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:15:51 +0100
Subject:
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>

Hi all,

I don't always keep up with technology, as much as I should and I wonder if
people  had suggestions about the best recent developments in terms of
technology for the blind, be it hardware, software etc.?

Ger

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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Wed May 15 02:30:56 2013
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:30:56 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
In-Reply-To: <008301ce5112$4523fa50$cf6beef0$@gmail.com>
References: <003401ce5101$ff72e4e0$fe58aea0$@gmail.com>
	<008301ce5112$4523fa50$cf6beef0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BE7E3676-0B6C-44AC-8C81-520694BB5168@gmail.com>

Well, you can always use Siri… And I think I actually prefer using my braille note apex as opposed to a Bluetooth keyboard… I know this is a luxury many of us can't afford, but I love being able to type and access my phone with a braille display from the same device.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:

> iPhone with the built-in voice over screen reader + an iPhone case that has
> a slide-out Bluetooth qwerty keyboard. You can get the cases on Amazon for
> like $20. It's an amazing combo. 
> 
> I suggest the Bluetooth keyboard cases for anyone using voiceover on the
> iPhone. I actually don't know why any blind people have iPhones without them
> because typing on a touch screen, even with voiceover, is so ridiculous. 
> 
> Sybren Hoekstra
> New York University School of Law
> J.D. candidate, class of 2014
> (646) 358-2871
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Harpur
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:20 PM
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
> 
> I have found universal design fantastic in smart phones.  Also, EBooks, when
> they are accessible, are fantastic.  Culturally it is a nice touch when I
> can easily down load a new book when my friends and colleagues are reading
> it.  The only thing stopping me now is work eating into relaxation time.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
> Sadlier
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 5:24 AM
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Cc: blindlaw
> Subject: [blindlaw] Best Recent Developments, Technology
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:15:51 +0100
> Subject:
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I don't always keep up with technology, as much as I should and I wonder if
> people  had suggestions about the best recent developments in terms of
> technology for the blind, be it hardware, software etc.?
> 
> Ger
> 
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From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com  Wed May 15 04:31:41 2013
From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sy Hoekstra)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 00:31:41 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
In-Reply-To: <BE7E3676-0B6C-44AC-8C81-520694BB5168@gmail.com>
References: <003401ce5101$ff72e4e0$fe58aea0$@gmail.com>
	<008301ce5112$4523fa50$cf6beef0$@gmail.com>
	<BE7E3676-0B6C-44AC-8C81-520694BB5168@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01ce5125$19de9360$4d9bba20$@gmail.com>

Oh right. I don't use braille, so I always forget about that. And the huge advantage of a keyboard over siri is you can actually type anywhere you are, as opposed to speaking out loud to siri, which I only ever want to do when I'm alone because it's just so weird to text out loud in public.

Also, I'm still a student, and I like to be able to sneak my headphones out of my laptop and into my phone and text in class, haha.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:31 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology

Well, you can always use Siri… And I think I actually prefer using my braille note apex as opposed to a Bluetooth keyboard… I know this is a luxury many of us can't afford, but I love being able to type and access my phone with a braille display from the same device.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:

> iPhone with the built-in voice over screen reader + an iPhone case that has
> a slide-out Bluetooth qwerty keyboard. You can get the cases on Amazon for
> like $20. It's an amazing combo. 
> 
> I suggest the Bluetooth keyboard cases for anyone using voiceover on the
> iPhone. I actually don't know why any blind people have iPhones without them
> because typing on a touch screen, even with voiceover, is so ridiculous. 
> 
> Sybren Hoekstra
> New York University School of Law
> J.D. candidate, class of 2014
> (646) 358-2871
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Harpur
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:20 PM
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
> 
> I have found universal design fantastic in smart phones.  Also, EBooks, when
> they are accessible, are fantastic.  Culturally it is a nice touch when I
> can easily down load a new book when my friends and colleagues are reading
> it.  The only thing stopping me now is work eating into relaxation time.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
> Sadlier
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 5:24 AM
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Cc: blindlaw
> Subject: [blindlaw] Best Recent Developments, Technology
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:15:51 +0100
> Subject:
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I don't always keep up with technology, as much as I should and I wonder if
> people  had suggestions about the best recent developments in terms of
> technology for the blind, be it hardware, software etc.?
> 
> Ger
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Wed May 15 04:49:10 2013
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:19:10 +0530
Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
In-Reply-To: <002a01ce5125$19de9360$4d9bba20$@gmail.com>
References: <003401ce5101$ff72e4e0$fe58aea0$@gmail.com>
	<008301ce5112$4523fa50$cf6beef0$@gmail.com>
	<BE7E3676-0B6C-44AC-8C81-520694BB5168@gmail.com>
	<002a01ce5125$19de9360$4d9bba20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1651CA5D-9C3A-4829-8655-A5A4DA0B52CE@gmail.com>

I don't have a bluetooth keyboard case, but the idea sounds fascinating.
I do use an app called Fleksy, though, which works like a charm.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh right. I don't use braille, so I always forget about that. And the huge advantage of a keyboard over siri is you can actually type anywhere you are, as opposed to speaking out loud to siri, which I only ever want to do when I'm alone because it's just so weird to text out loud in public.
> 
> Also, I'm still a student, and I like to be able to sneak my headphones out of my laptop and into my phone and text in class, haha.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:31 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
> 
> Well, you can always use Siri… And I think I actually prefer using my braille note apex as opposed to a Bluetooth keyboard… I know this is a luxury many of us can't afford, but I love being able to type and access my phone with a braille display from the same device.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 14, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> iPhone with the built-in voice over screen reader + an iPhone case that has
>> a slide-out Bluetooth qwerty keyboard. You can get the cases on Amazon for
>> like $20. It's an amazing combo. 
>> 
>> I suggest the Bluetooth keyboard cases for anyone using voiceover on the
>> iPhone. I actually don't know why any blind people have iPhones without them
>> because typing on a touch screen, even with voiceover, is so ridiculous. 
>> 
>> Sybren Hoekstra
>> New York University School of Law
>> J.D. candidate, class of 2014
>> (646) 358-2871
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Harpur
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:20 PM
>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
>> 
>> I have found universal design fantastic in smart phones.  Also, EBooks, when
>> they are accessible, are fantastic.  Culturally it is a nice touch when I
>> can easily down load a new book when my friends and colleagues are reading
>> it.  The only thing stopping me now is work eating into relaxation time.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
>> Sadlier
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 5:24 AM
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Cc: blindlaw
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Best Recent Developments, Technology
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:15:51 +0100
>> Subject:
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I don't always keep up with technology, as much as I should and I wonder if
>> people  had suggestions about the best recent developments in terms of
>> technology for the blind, be it hardware, software etc.?
>> 
>> Ger
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com  Wed May 15 09:02:31 2013
From: mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com (Nicholas Parsons)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 19:02:31 +1000
Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
In-Reply-To: <1651CA5D-9C3A-4829-8655-A5A4DA0B52CE@gmail.com>
References: <003401ce5101$ff72e4e0$fe58aea0$@gmail.com>
	<008301ce5112$4523fa50$cf6beef0$@gmail.com>
	<BE7E3676-0B6C-44AC-8C81-520694BB5168@gmail.com>
	<002a01ce5125$19de9360$4d9bba20$@gmail.com>
	<1651CA5D-9C3A-4829-8655-A5A4DA0B52CE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6E72C8C-9A00-41F9-8008-81398909456E@gmail.com>

I agree the iPhone is one of the best developments in a while. Particularly iBooks, Kindle and a whole range of other legal resources and reference apps available on iOS.

I have a bluetooth keyboard but I find I don't use it much anymore. The iPhone case with attached keyboard sounds interesting, but I'd be worried that the tiny keyboard would still be annoying to type on. As it is, I usually only use my iPHone to consume content rather than create it. I generally do longer typing on my Mac. On my iPhone I use Siri a lot or, if it's not appropriate to use Siri, I use a brilliant app called Braille Touch which allows me to input text super fast (relatively speaking) similar to typing on a braille machine.

I plan to get an iPad to use primarily as a reading device.

However, for reading court transcripts and typing legal documents I still use Microsoft Word on a Windows computer running the JAWS screen reader.

On 15/05/2013, at 2:49 PM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:

I don't have a bluetooth keyboard case, but the idea sounds fascinating.
I do use an app called Fleksy, though, which works like a charm.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh right. I don't use braille, so I always forget about that. And the huge advantage of a keyboard over siri is you can actually type anywhere you are, as opposed to speaking out loud to siri, which I only ever want to do when I'm alone because it's just so weird to text out loud in public.
> 
> Also, I'm still a student, and I like to be able to sneak my headphones out of my laptop and into my phone and text in class, haha.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:31 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
> 
> Well, you can always use Siri… And I think I actually prefer using my braille note apex as opposed to a Bluetooth keyboard… I know this is a luxury many of us can't afford, but I love being able to type and access my phone with a braille display from the same device.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 14, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> iPhone with the built-in voice over screen reader + an iPhone case that has
>> a slide-out Bluetooth qwerty keyboard. You can get the cases on Amazon for
>> like $20. It's an amazing combo. 
>> 
>> I suggest the Bluetooth keyboard cases for anyone using voiceover on the
>> iPhone. I actually don't know why any blind people have iPhones without them
>> because typing on a touch screen, even with voiceover, is so ridiculous. 
>> 
>> Sybren Hoekstra
>> New York University School of Law
>> J.D. candidate, class of 2014
>> (646) 358-2871
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Harpur
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:20 PM
>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
>> 
>> I have found universal design fantastic in smart phones.  Also, EBooks, when
>> they are accessible, are fantastic.  Culturally it is a nice touch when I
>> can easily down load a new book when my friends and colleagues are reading
>> it.  The only thing stopping me now is work eating into relaxation time.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
>> Sadlier
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 5:24 AM
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Cc: blindlaw
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Best Recent Developments, Technology
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:15:51 +0100
>> Subject:
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I don't always keep up with technology, as much as I should and I wonder if
>> people  had suggestions about the best recent developments in terms of
>> technology for the blind, be it hardware, software etc.?
>> 
>> Ger
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Wed May 15 09:49:58 2013
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 15:19:58 +0530
Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
In-Reply-To: <F6E72C8C-9A00-41F9-8008-81398909456E@gmail.com>
References: <003401ce5101$ff72e4e0$fe58aea0$@gmail.com>
	<008301ce5112$4523fa50$cf6beef0$@gmail.com>
	<BE7E3676-0B6C-44AC-8C81-520694BB5168@gmail.com>
	<002a01ce5125$19de9360$4d9bba20$@gmail.com>
	<1651CA5D-9C3A-4829-8655-A5A4DA0B52CE@gmail.com>
	<F6E72C8C-9A00-41F9-8008-81398909456E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADFycPZL4GhqfKgWNN5Oav20YiTRgZriDL9czvPxch4-5fVgqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nicholas,

Is there any particular reason why you prefer to use Windows for
typing legal documents? Is this just your personal preference, or is
it on account of some deficiency of the Mac?

I, for one, find it confusing to use the  Mac and Windows at the same
time because the commands are so different.


On 15/05/2013, Nicholas Parsons <mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree the iPhone is one of the best developments in a while. Particularly
> iBooks, Kindle and a whole range of other legal resources and reference apps
> available on iOS.
>
> I have a bluetooth keyboard but I find I don't use it much anymore. The
> iPhone case with attached keyboard sounds interesting, but I'd be worried
> that the tiny keyboard would still be annoying to type on. As it is, I
> usually only use my iPHone to consume content rather than create it. I
> generally do longer typing on my Mac. On my iPhone I use Siri a lot or, if
> it's not appropriate to use Siri, I use a brilliant app called Braille Touch
> which allows me to input text super fast (relatively speaking) similar to
> typing on a braille machine.
>
> I plan to get an iPad to use primarily as a reading device.
>
> However, for reading court transcripts and typing legal documents I still
> use Microsoft Word on a Windows computer running the JAWS screen reader.
>
> On 15/05/2013, at 2:49 PM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't have a bluetooth keyboard case, but the idea sounds fascinating.
> I do use an app called Fleksy, though, which works like a charm.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 15, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh right. I don't use braille, so I always forget about that. And the huge
>> advantage of a keyboard over siri is you can actually type anywhere you
>> are, as opposed to speaking out loud to siri, which I only ever want to do
>> when I'm alone because it's just so weird to text out loud in public.
>>
>> Also, I'm still a student, and I like to be able to sneak my headphones
>> out of my laptop and into my phone and text in class, haha.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:31 PM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
>>
>> Well, you can always use Siri… And I think I actually prefer using my
>> braille note apex as opposed to a Bluetooth keyboard… I know this is a
>> luxury many of us can't afford, but I love being able to type and access
>> my phone with a braille display from the same device.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 14, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> iPhone with the built-in voice over screen reader + an iPhone case that
>>> has
>>> a slide-out Bluetooth qwerty keyboard. You can get the cases on Amazon
>>> for
>>> like $20. It's an amazing combo.
>>>
>>> I suggest the Bluetooth keyboard cases for anyone using voiceover on the
>>> iPhone. I actually don't know why any blind people have iPhones without
>>> them
>>> because typing on a touch screen, even with voiceover, is so ridiculous.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sybren Hoekstra
>>> New York University School of Law
>>> J.D. candidate, class of 2014
>>> (646) 358-2871
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul
>>> Harpur
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:20 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
>>>
>>> I have found universal design fantastic in smart phones.  Also, EBooks,
>>> when
>>> they are accessible, are fantastic.  Culturally it is a nice touch when
>>> I
>>> can easily down load a new book when my friends and colleagues are
>>> reading
>>> it.  The only thing stopping me now is work eating into relaxation time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
>>> Sadlier
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 5:24 AM
>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>> Cc: blindlaw
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Best Recent Developments, Technology
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:15:51 +0100
>>> Subject:
>>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I don't always keep up with technology, as much as I should and I wonder
>>> if
>>> people  had suggestions about the best recent developments in terms of
>>> technology for the blind, be it hardware, software etc.?
>>>
>>> Ger
>>>
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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Wed May 15 17:07:45 2013
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 11:07:45 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
References: <003401ce5101$ff72e4e0$fe58aea0$@gmail.com><008301ce5112$4523fa50$cf6beef0$@gmail.com><BE7E3676-0B6C-44AC-8C81-520694BB5168@gmail.com><002a01ce5125$19de9360$4d9bba20$@gmail.com>
	<1651CA5D-9C3A-4829-8655-A5A4DA0B52CE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7BCDA3655BEC493D956A9CE35579E50D@victory2>

Alright, I am not an iPhone convert at least not yet!

I do commend those amongst us who can read and comprehend audio text!  I'm 
not one of them !!!  Whether I read for pleasure, or for an administered 
test, I still prefer Braille.  I grew up with it and it's a piece of skin I 
can't shed!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed May 15 17:36:51 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 13:36:51 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Overview of trace evidence - NIJ Webinar
Message-ID: <F9A13F16EA2A4AF5BD52E163EF02CE31@mycomputer>

I have copied and pasted this National Institute of Justice Webinar notice
into the post because I can't FWD it by normal means.
I apologize for being unable to do it correctly, but I think those of you
who are in the field of criminal law get the idea.
***
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Training page. 
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This webinar will provide an overview of the various forms of trace evidence
most commonly encountered in forensic casework, such as hair and fibers,
gunshot residue, glass, paint and fire debris. The various methods of search
and collection as well as the different methods of laboratory examinations
will be briefly described to show the extreme variability of clue materials
that can be produced during an incident under investigation. More
importantly, aspects of trace evidence interpretation will be discussed from
the perspectives of case pre-assessment, comparative examinations, and crime
scene reconstructions.

Register to attend this webinar May 29, 2013, 10:30am - 12 pm ET.

This webinar is presented by West Virginia University's Forensic Science
Initiative with funding from NIJ.

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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed May 15 17:43:45 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 13:43:45 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] ABA "Share your story" as an attorney with a disability
Message-ID: <65B977C01A9E41228635C358742F298F@mycomputer>

I couldn't resist passing this along. 
So, "share your story"
Ross
***
FYI The American Bar Association is collecting stories from its members in
order to celebrate each other and show off the diversity of the profession.
Let's show the profession that lawyers with disabilities are a force to be
reckoned with.  If you are a practitioner with a disability, you are
strongly encouraged to share your story here:
http://www.abaleaders.org/your-aba-story/?sc_cid=13MBC010Bc&sc=RMM12INWA 
To view other stories, visit:
http://www.abaleaders.org/?sc_cid=13MBC010Bc&sc=RMM12INWA 

Sherri L. Rita, J.D.
Program Specialist
Commission on Disability Rights (CDR)-Mail Stop 11.0
American Bar Association (ABA)
740 15th St. NW
Washington, DC  20005-1022
T:  202.662.1572
F:  202.442.3439
sherri.rita at americanbar.org
http://www.americanbar.org/groups/disabilityrights.html
NEW MAILING ADDRESS EFFECTIVE MAY 20, 2013:
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 15 20:02:55 2013
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 13:02:55 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Overview of trace evidence - NIJ Webinar
In-Reply-To: <F9A13F16EA2A4AF5BD52E163EF02CE31@mycomputer>
References: <F9A13F16EA2A4AF5BD52E163EF02CE31@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <6BE51784F113414BB51F2515F8FEE243@Spike>

It seems like only part of it got copied. Is this a free seminar or is there 
a cost to attend?
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:36 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Overview of trace evidence - NIJ Webinar


>I have copied and pasted this National Institute of Justice Webinar notice
> into the post because I can't FWD it by normal means.
> I apologize for being unable to do it correctly, but I think those of you
> who are in the field of criminal law get the idea.
> ***
> You received this message because you asked for an e-mail when we update 
> our
> Training page.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
>
> This webinar will provide an overview of the various forms of trace 
> evidence
> most commonly encountered in forensic casework, such as hair and fibers,
> gunshot residue, glass, paint and fire debris. The various methods of 
> search
> and collection as well as the different methods of laboratory examinations
> will be briefly described to show the extreme variability of clue 
> materials
> that can be produced during an incident under investigation. More
> importantly, aspects of trace evidence interpretation will be discussed 
> from
> the perspectives of case pre-assessment, comparative examinations, and 
> crime
> scene reconstructions.
>
> Register to attend this webinar May 29, 2013, 10:30am - 12 pm ET.
>
> This webinar is presented by West Virginia University's Forensic Science
> Initiative with funding from NIJ.
>
> View all NIJ-sponsored training.
> Stay Connected
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From cathrynisfinally at verizon.net  Wed May 15 21:59:14 2013
From: cathrynisfinally at verizon.net (Cathryn)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 17:59:14 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Overview of trace evidence - NIJ Webinar
In-Reply-To: <6BE51784F113414BB51F2515F8FEE243@Spike>
References: <F9A13F16EA2A4AF5BD52E163EF02CE31@mycomputer>
	<6BE51784F113414BB51F2515F8FEE243@Spike>
Message-ID: <004401ce51b7$70e146c0$52a3d440$@verizon.net>

I had similar questions. The registration process is unclear.
Cathryn Bonnette

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:03 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Overview of trace evidence - NIJ Webinar

It seems like only part of it got copied. Is this a free seminar or is there
a cost to attend?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Doerr" <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:36 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Overview of trace evidence - NIJ Webinar


>I have copied and pasted this National Institute of Justice Webinar 
>notice  into the post because I can't FWD it by normal means.
> I apologize for being unable to do it correctly, but I think those of 
>you  who are in the field of criminal law get the idea.
> ***
> You received this message because you asked for an e-mail when we 
>update  our  Training page.
> 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>-----
> ----
>
>
> This webinar will provide an overview of the various forms of trace 
> evidence most commonly encountered in forensic casework, such as hair 
> and fibers, gunshot residue, glass, paint and fire debris. The various 
> methods of search and collection as well as the different methods of 
> laboratory examinations will be briefly described to show the extreme 
> variability of clue materials that can be produced during an incident 
> under investigation. More importantly, aspects of trace evidence 
> interpretation will be discussed from the perspectives of case 
> pre-assessment, comparative examinations, and crime scene 
> reconstructions.
>
> Register to attend this webinar May 29, 2013, 10:30am - 12 pm ET.
>
> This webinar is presented by West Virginia University's Forensic 
> Science Initiative with funding from NIJ.
>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed May 15 22:17:54 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 18:17:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Overview of trace evidence - NIJ Webinar
In-Reply-To: <004401ce51b7$70e146c0$52a3d440$@verizon.net>
References: <F9A13F16EA2A4AF5BD52E163EF02CE31@mycomputer><6BE51784F113414BB51F2515F8FEE243@Spike>
	<004401ce51b7$70e146c0$52a3d440$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <FEA0E7FC9E824CEEA364CD54C0CC13D7@mycomputer>

Apologies to all interested in the NIJ trace evidence update -
I went to the NIJ web site for trainings and found it there
Go to this website and scroll down to "trace" evidence and go from there.
You will find it listed under "Training"
http://www.nij.gov/training/forensic.htm
Ross
 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cathryn
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:59 PM
To: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Overview of trace evidence - NIJ Webinar

I had similar questions. The registration process is unclear.
Cathryn Bonnette

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Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Overview of trace evidence - NIJ Webinar

It seems like only part of it got copied. Is this a free seminar or is there
a cost to attend?
Chuck
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To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:36 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] Overview of trace evidence - NIJ Webinar


>I have copied and pasted this National Institute of Justice Webinar 
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> I apologize for being unable to do it correctly, but I think those of 
>you  who are in the field of criminal law get the idea.
> ***
> You received this message because you asked for an e-mail when we 
>update  our  Training page.
> 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
> This webinar will provide an overview of the various forms of trace 
> evidence most commonly encountered in forensic casework, such as hair 
> and fibers, gunshot residue, glass, paint and fire debris. The various 
> methods of search and collection as well as the different methods of 
> laboratory examinations will be briefly described to show the extreme 
> variability of clue materials that can be produced during an incident 
> under investigation. More importantly, aspects of trace evidence 
> interpretation will be discussed from the perspectives of case 
> pre-assessment, comparative examinations, and crime scene 
> reconstructions.
>
> Register to attend this webinar May 29, 2013, 10:30am - 12 pm ET.
>
> This webinar is presented by West Virginia University's Forensic 
> Science Initiative with funding from NIJ.
>
> View all NIJ-sponsored training.
> Stay Connected
>
>
>
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>
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From mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com  Thu May 16 07:11:04 2013
From: mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com (Nicholas Parsons)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:11:04 +1000
Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPZL4GhqfKgWNN5Oav20YiTRgZriDL9czvPxch4-5fVgqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003401ce5101$ff72e4e0$fe58aea0$@gmail.com>
	<008301ce5112$4523fa50$cf6beef0$@gmail.com>
	<BE7E3676-0B6C-44AC-8C81-520694BB5168@gmail.com>
	<002a01ce5125$19de9360$4d9bba20$@gmail.com>
	<1651CA5D-9C3A-4829-8655-A5A4DA0B52CE@gmail.com>
	<F6E72C8C-9A00-41F9-8008-81398909456E@gmail.com>
	<CADFycPZL4GhqfKgWNN5Oav20YiTRgZriDL9czvPxch4-5fVgqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42C130EE-E749-456F-AAEC-508B2150458F@gmail.com>

Hi Rahul,

Yes, there is a reason, and it is some deficiency with the word processing apps I use on the Mac and VoiceOver. At least so far as I can tell.

These deficiencies are as follows:
	•	Inability to tell which page number I'm on in a word document, particularly where pagination does not begin at page one.
	•	Inability to tell what line number I'm on in a word document.
	•	Inability to easily read footnotes, endnotes and comments.
	•	Inability to work meaningfully with track changes.

I also just find Pages a really clunky and difficult app to work with. TextEdit doesn't handle the kinds of advanced formatting I need for many legal documents. I'm experimenting with Nisus Writer Pro at the moment, but so far I haven't gotten to the point where it could replace Microsoft Word for me. This is really sad as I too do not like using Windows. The darn thing just automatically restarted on me a moment ago causing me to lose some work and reminding me why I like the Mac so much more.

Best,
Nic

On 15/05/2013, at 7:49 PM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Nicholas,

Is there any particular reason why you prefer to use Windows for
typing legal documents? Is this just your personal preference, or is
it on account of some deficiency of the Mac?

I, for one, find it confusing to use the  Mac and Windows at the same
time because the commands are so different.


On 15/05/2013, Nicholas Parsons <mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree the iPhone is one of the best developments in a while. Particularly
> iBooks, Kindle and a whole range of other legal resources and reference apps
> available on iOS.
> 
> I have a bluetooth keyboard but I find I don't use it much anymore. The
> iPhone case with attached keyboard sounds interesting, but I'd be worried
> that the tiny keyboard would still be annoying to type on. As it is, I
> usually only use my iPHone to consume content rather than create it. I
> generally do longer typing on my Mac. On my iPhone I use Siri a lot or, if
> it's not appropriate to use Siri, I use a brilliant app called Braille Touch
> which allows me to input text super fast (relatively speaking) similar to
> typing on a braille machine.
> 
> I plan to get an iPad to use primarily as a reading device.
> 
> However, for reading court transcripts and typing legal documents I still
> use Microsoft Word on a Windows computer running the JAWS screen reader.
> 
> On 15/05/2013, at 2:49 PM, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't have a bluetooth keyboard case, but the idea sounds fascinating.
> I do use an app called Fleksy, though, which works like a charm.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 15, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Oh right. I don't use braille, so I always forget about that. And the huge
>> advantage of a keyboard over siri is you can actually type anywhere you
>> are, as opposed to speaking out loud to siri, which I only ever want to do
>> when I'm alone because it's just so weird to text out loud in public.
>> 
>> Also, I'm still a student, and I like to be able to sneak my headphones
>> out of my laptop and into my phone and text in class, haha.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:31 PM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
>> 
>> Well, you can always use Siri… And I think I actually prefer using my
>> braille note apex as opposed to a Bluetooth keyboard… I know this is a
>> luxury many of us can't afford, but I love being able to type and access
>> my phone with a braille display from the same device.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 14, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> iPhone with the built-in voice over screen reader + an iPhone case that
>>> has
>>> a slide-out Bluetooth qwerty keyboard. You can get the cases on Amazon
>>> for
>>> like $20. It's an amazing combo.
>>> 
>>> I suggest the Bluetooth keyboard cases for anyone using voiceover on the
>>> iPhone. I actually don't know why any blind people have iPhones without
>>> them
>>> because typing on a touch screen, even with voiceover, is so ridiculous.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sybren Hoekstra
>>> New York University School of Law
>>> J.D. candidate, class of 2014
>>> (646) 358-2871
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul
>>> Harpur
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:20 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Best Recent Developments, Technology
>>> 
>>> I have found universal design fantastic in smart phones.  Also, EBooks,
>>> when
>>> they are accessible, are fantastic.  Culturally it is a nice touch when
>>> I
>>> can easily down load a new book when my friends and colleagues are
>>> reading
>>> it.  The only thing stopping me now is work eating into relaxation time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
>>> Sadlier
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2013 5:24 AM
>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>> Cc: blindlaw
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Best Recent Developments, Technology
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:15:51 +0100
>>> Subject:
>>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I don't always keep up with technology, as much as I should and I wonder
>>> if
>>> people  had suggestions about the best recent developments in terms of
>>> technology for the blind, be it hardware, software etc.?
>>> 
>>> Ger
>>> 
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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Thu May 16 10:44:54 2013
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (Ronza Othman)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 06:44:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies
In-Reply-To: <D6E739D3-E7CA-4EC4-8CD9-1BC32FBCFE13@icloud.com>
References: <D6E739D3-E7CA-4EC4-8CD9-1BC32FBCFE13@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <00e701ce5222$67130af0$353920d0$@gmail.com>

Michal,

So great to see you on this list - welcome!  It's been ...a really long time
... since I took the LSAT, but I suggest you work out a system with Excel.
I use it when I'm working on convention logistics, which is very much like
some of those logic games.  For example, I'll assign each item to a cell in
a column going down.  Then I'll manipulate the order using whatever ordering
characteristic I have in a horizontal row lower on the page.  I'll use this
in real life, for example, when I'm working out how to seat people on stage
during the banquet (who needs to be near the microphone, who is allergic to
dogs, who can't sit next to someone else's husband, etc.).  

Another suggestion is for some sort of tactile method.  Can't remember if
you use Braille, but I'll sometimes tear up a piece of paper, label each
piece in Braille, and then move it around on the table based on the needed
characteristics.

Just some suggestions.

Good luck.

Ronza

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Nowicki
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:53 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies

Hi everyone,

My name is Michal Nowicki and I am registered to take the LSAT in June. As I
am preparing for this important exam, I am particularly concerned with the
logic games sections because I can't find an effective way to keep track of
all the conditions., and the suggested strategies are visual. I was approved
to take the exam using a computer with JAWS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY
DIAGRAMMING STRATEGIES? THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

Michal

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From deepa.goraya at gmail.com  Thu May 16 16:24:06 2013
From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 09:24:06 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies
In-Reply-To: <00e701ce5222$67130af0$353920d0$@gmail.com>
References: <D6E739D3-E7CA-4EC4-8CD9-1BC32FBCFE13@icloud.com>
	<00e701ce5222$67130af0$353920d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01ce5251$c9c67c20$5d537460$@gmail.com>

Excel is a great option. I also used magnetic boards with magnetic pieces to
create diagrams, which was very helpful. You can get them on Maxiaids. I
think it's called a magnetic braille alphabet board or something like that.

Deepa

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ronza
Othman
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:45 AM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies

Michal,

So great to see you on this list - welcome!  It's been ...a really long time
... since I took the LSAT, but I suggest you work out a system with Excel.
I use it when I'm working on convention logistics, which is very much like
some of those logic games.  For example, I'll assign each item to a cell in
a column going down.  Then I'll manipulate the order using whatever ordering
characteristic I have in a horizontal row lower on the page.  I'll use this
in real life, for example, when I'm working out how to seat people on stage
during the banquet (who needs to be near the microphone, who is allergic to
dogs, who can't sit next to someone else's husband, etc.).  

Another suggestion is for some sort of tactile method.  Can't remember if
you use Braille, but I'll sometimes tear up a piece of paper, label each
piece in Braille, and then move it around on the table based on the needed
characteristics.

Just some suggestions.

Good luck.

Ronza

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Nowicki
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:53 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies

Hi everyone,

My name is Michal Nowicki and I am registered to take the LSAT in June. As I
am preparing for this important exam, I am particularly concerned with the
logic games sections because I can't find an effective way to keep track of
all the conditions., and the suggested strategies are visual. I was approved
to take the exam using a computer with JAWS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY
DIAGRAMMING STRATEGIES? THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

Michal

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From mnowicki4 at icloud.com  Thu May 16 19:29:29 2013
From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michael Nowicki)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 14:29:29 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies
In-Reply-To: <000a01ce5251$c9c67c20$5d537460$@gmail.com>
References: <D6E739D3-E7CA-4EC4-8CD9-1BC32FBCFE13@icloud.com>
	<00e701ce5222$67130af0$353920d0$@gmail.com>
	<000a01ce5251$c9c67c20$5d537460$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0524C224-85BB-4740-B706-BC813FD9ADAB@icloud.com>

Thank you for the suggestions. I will try them out.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Deepa Goraya <deepa.goraya at gmail.com> wrote:

> Excel is a great option. I also used magnetic boards with magnetic pieces to
> create diagrams, which was very helpful. You can get them on Maxiaids. I
> think it's called a magnetic braille alphabet board or something like that.
> 
> Deepa
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ronza
> Othman
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:45 AM
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies
> 
> Michal,
> 
> So great to see you on this list - welcome!  It's been ...a really long time
> ... since I took the LSAT, but I suggest you work out a system with Excel.
> I use it when I'm working on convention logistics, which is very much like
> some of those logic games.  For example, I'll assign each item to a cell in
> a column going down.  Then I'll manipulate the order using whatever ordering
> characteristic I have in a horizontal row lower on the page.  I'll use this
> in real life, for example, when I'm working out how to seat people on stage
> during the banquet (who needs to be near the microphone, who is allergic to
> dogs, who can't sit next to someone else's husband, etc.).  
> 
> Another suggestion is for some sort of tactile method.  Can't remember if
> you use Braille, but I'll sometimes tear up a piece of paper, label each
> piece in Braille, and then move it around on the table based on the needed
> characteristics.
> 
> Just some suggestions.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Ronza
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Nowicki
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:53 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> My name is Michal Nowicki and I am registered to take the LSAT in June. As I
> am preparing for this important exam, I am particularly concerned with the
> logic games sections because I can't find an effective way to keep track of
> all the conditions., and the suggested strategies are visual. I was approved
> to take the exam using a computer with JAWS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY
> DIAGRAMMING STRATEGIES? THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.
> 
> Michal
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From b.s.spiry at gmail.com  Thu May 16 17:52:20 2013
From: b.s.spiry at gmail.com (Bill Spiry)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 10:52:20 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies
In-Reply-To: <000a01ce5251$c9c67c20$5d537460$@gmail.com>
References: <D6E739D3-E7CA-4EC4-8CD9-1BC32FBCFE13@icloud.com>	<00e701ce5222$67130af0$353920d0$@gmail.com>
	<000a01ce5251$c9c67c20$5d537460$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004b01ce525e$1d483d00$57d8b700$@gmail.com>

I used coins, they let me bring in a pocket full of change and use them to
diagram and manipulate the elements on a table top.


Bill Spiry
Attorney at Law
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deepa
Goraya
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:24 AM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies

Excel is a great option. I also used magnetic boards with magnetic pieces to
create diagrams, which was very helpful. You can get them on Maxiaids. I
think it's called a magnetic braille alphabet board or something like that.

Deepa

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ronza
Othman
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:45 AM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies

Michal,

So great to see you on this list - welcome!  It's been ...a really long time
... since I took the LSAT, but I suggest you work out a system with Excel.
I use it when I'm working on convention logistics, which is very much like
some of those logic games.  For example, I'll assign each item to a cell in
a column going down.  Then I'll manipulate the order using whatever ordering
characteristic I have in a horizontal row lower on the page.  I'll use this
in real life, for example, when I'm working out how to seat people on stage
during the banquet (who needs to be near the microphone, who is allergic to
dogs, who can't sit next to someone else's husband, etc.).  

Another suggestion is for some sort of tactile method.  Can't remember if
you use Braille, but I'll sometimes tear up a piece of paper, label each
piece in Braille, and then move it around on the table based on the needed
characteristics.

Just some suggestions.

Good luck.

Ronza

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Nowicki
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:53 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT test taking strategies

Hi everyone,

My name is Michal Nowicki and I am registered to take the LSAT in June. As I
am preparing for this important exam, I am particularly concerned with the
logic games sections because I can't find an effective way to keep track of
all the conditions., and the suggested strategies are visual. I was approved
to take the exam using a computer with JAWS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY
DIAGRAMMING STRATEGIES? THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

Michal

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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri May 17 17:50:33 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 13:50:33 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] New ADA web site
Message-ID: <8C29F40F385D4BA08A3FE86003634CF6@mycomputer>


Just FYI

In the first re-design of the ADA website since 2002, the Department of
Justice today launched a redesigned ADA website ADA.gov.  The new design
incorporates improved navigation and usability features making it easier to
find information on ADA technical assistance, enforcement, and regulations.


To view the new website or to find more information about the ADA, visit 
ADA.gov 
http://www.ada.gov/
or call the Department's ADA Information Line at 800-514-0301 (voice) or
800-514-0383 (TTY).  




From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov  Mon May 20 12:30:09 2013
From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA))
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:30:09 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Good News -- Lyceum
Message-ID: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D1F39CDB8@pl-emsmb12>

Greetings:


This is to note congratulations to the Mid-Atlantic Lyceum (and its DBA the Mid-Atlantic Law Journal). As of spring 2013, The Lyceum is a 501(c)(3) tax exempt nonprofit! That is to state that the IRS has approved the Lyceum's application for nonprofit status.


The long journey to reaching this status is now over. I would like to thank some individuals who advanced this goal to completion; they, include, my right hand man Josh, Robert J. Rhudy, Esq., Tom Rogers, Nathan Horne, Esq., and Robert.


Before concluding, this is to announce that our Editor-N-Chief and Staff Editor for the second issue of the Journal has been installed. Kelly Cooper is currently a second year law student at the University of Baltimore School of Law. Do join us in welcoming her and congratulating her. She will not only be an asset to the Lyceum but also to the Section.


Sincerely,
Gary


From rogerbaccus at gmail.com  Mon May 20 12:47:52 2013
From: rogerbaccus at gmail.com (Roger Baccus)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 08:47:52 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Mid Atlantic Lyceum?
Message-ID: <DB69519BEEF74059970A9D138B0AF663@rogerbaccus>

What is your mission? What services do you provide? Thanks.


Bright Moments!
Roger Baccus
http://www.rogerbaccus.com

From lilrichie411 at gmail.com  Mon May 20 19:24:53 2013
From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 14:24:53 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Waitlist Question
Message-ID: <CAAVz1w62ep+CXz-WT_kM2YqxjN8+Y2SjhDJe7GBLopeXFHoCGg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everybody,

I have been waitlisted at a law school.  I am just wondering how long do
you think is typical to wait before making other concrete plans?

Thank you all,
Jordan Richardson

-- 
Jordan Richardson
President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students
lilrichie411 at gmail.com
"It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men."
~*Frederick Douglass*<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/frederickd201574.html>

From adam.zimmerman719 at gmail.com  Mon May 20 19:39:43 2013
From: adam.zimmerman719 at gmail.com (Adam Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 15:39:43 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Waitlist Question
In-Reply-To: <CAAVz1w62ep+CXz-WT_kM2YqxjN8+Y2SjhDJe7GBLopeXFHoCGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAVz1w62ep+CXz-WT_kM2YqxjN8+Y2SjhDJe7GBLopeXFHoCGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6F3147C-2287-43D2-978B-358F566B93CF@gmail.com>

Jordan,

It really depends. How badly do you want to attend that school? Was it a reach school? Is it more affordable than the alternatives? Is it comparable in the rankings to other options or is it vastly better? How hard will it be to find housing if you wait? Most importantly, how do the services for students with disabilities stack up? If the wait list school admits you in late July, or mid-August will they be able to get your textbooks in an accommodated format in time? Those are things I'd consider. I'd also note that very often law schools use the wait list as a way to de facto reject someone without having to tell them no.

Adam

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everybody,
> 
> I have been waitlisted at a law school.  I am just wondering how long do
> you think is typical to wait before making other concrete plans?
> 
> Thank you all,
> Jordan Richardson
> 
> -- 
> Jordan Richardson
> President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> "It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men."
> ~*Frederick Douglass*<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/frederickd201574.html>
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From amber at amberboggs.com  Tue May 21 16:31:48 2013
From: amber at amberboggs.com (Amber Boggs)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 09:31:48 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible curriculum question
Message-ID: <DE6C84FB-8AB0-4F0E-B688-BC4F9B45C24B@amberboggs.com>

Hi everyone, I am hoping that someone on this list might be able to answer a question. I know that there are very specific laws pertaining to students and accessible text books. However I am not certain if that includes teachers whblind that need accessible curriculum  or parents who are blind who need accessible curriculum to homeschool or follow along with their child. 
I am currently trying to obtain a homeschool curriculum to use with my children and the publisher is refusing to provide it in an accessible version. They admit that they have it in a PDF form, but do not want to give it to me because of intellectual copyright. I have tried to explain to them that I understand the intellectual copyright and will sign anything they need. I have also suggested they put it in a password protected file, or water mark the PDF for my use only.  They also offer this course as an online membership. However you are required to purchase a 12 month membership that Grant to access only during that time frame. Which would mean I have to purchase the course every time one of my children need to take it. This would more than triple my cost. Obviously I can  obtain the hard copy books and scan them myself. But it seems to me that if they have it inaccessible form this would be the ideal way of utilizing their material. My question is is there any laws regulations that would pertain to a blind parent or teacher meeting accessible curriculum to educate their children or students? This agency is not government funded, 
If you need more information feel free to email me. Thank you all for any help you provide.
Amber 

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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Wed May 22 00:26:11 2013
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 01:26:11 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?
Message-ID: <CAGZitz+wYdACybzDssM0jqJgipfOcLyDqwpHCn72BSR749m4FA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

What techniques do you use in order to ensure that the documents which
you produce are consistant in their formatting, before submitting to
courts or colleagues?

Ger


From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Wed May 22 11:04:47 2013
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:34:47 +0530
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Corporate Lawyers
Message-ID: <CADFycPa1c3Mw9Cvb2ny1FjTdO=MxUOWedBiXYqpcmyBzTAZ5Fw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I intend to work in a law firm as an associate  after completing my education.
I'd really like to interact with visually impaired corporate lawyers
in order to discuss my future options.
I don't think there are many visually impaired corporate lawyers out
there. Most VI people prefer to go into litigation.
So, if there are any corporate lawyers on this list, please do let me know.
I'd love to interact with them on the list  or off-list.

Best,
Rahul


From angie.matney at gmail.com  Wed May 22 10:58:20 2013
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 06:58:20 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitz+wYdACybzDssM0jqJgipfOcLyDqwpHCn72BSR749m4FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitz+wYdACybzDssM0jqJgipfOcLyDqwpHCn72BSR749m4FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN4Q-EpYRc4DKWz056xbFDXb8TS_QUC4ycefmNX0BJA84WgdkQ@mail.gmail.com>

My administrative assistant reviews them. I find JAWS is inconsistent
about announcing and displaying changes in attributes, so the most
efficient use of my time is for her to make sure documents I prepare
are visually acceptable.

I'm also eager to hear what others do.

Angie

On 5/21/13, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> What techniques do you use in order to ensure that the documents which
> you produce are consistant in their formatting, before submitting to
> courts or colleagues?
>
> Ger
>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed May 22 12:22:53 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:22:53 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?
In-Reply-To: <CAN4Q-EpYRc4DKWz056xbFDXb8TS_QUC4ycefmNX0BJA84WgdkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitz+wYdACybzDssM0jqJgipfOcLyDqwpHCn72BSR749m4FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN4Q-EpYRc4DKWz056xbFDXb8TS_QUC4ycefmNX0BJA84WgdkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE2011B3B2D14A66BE9FDE275E726BED@mycomputer>

I agree with Angie.  JAWS can do just so much, and ensuring complete
accuracy on the formatting of documents for court simply requires eyesight
to be right.
In the legal profession, "You are what you write" when it comes to court
documents, and hence, your professional reputation.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
Matney
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:58 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?

My administrative assistant reviews them. I find JAWS is inconsistent about
announcing and displaying changes in attributes, so the most efficient use
of my time is for her to make sure documents I prepare are visually
acceptable.

I'm also eager to hear what others do.

Angie

On 5/21/13, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> What techniques do you use in order to ensure that the documents which 
> you produce are consistant in their formatting, before submitting to 
> courts or colleagues?
>
> Ger
>
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Wed May 22 12:41:31 2013
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:41:31 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Corporate Lawyers
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPa1c3Mw9Cvb2ny1FjTdO=MxUOWedBiXYqpcmyBzTAZ5Fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPa1c3Mw9Cvb2ny1FjTdO=MxUOWedBiXYqpcmyBzTAZ5Fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01ce56e9$afa8b140$0efa13c0$@wiennergould.com>

I guess I consider myself a corporate lawyer, because I litigate for
corporations.  If you mean a transactional lawyer, that isn't me.


-------------------------------------------
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From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:05 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Corporate Lawyers

Hi all,

I intend to work in a law firm as an associate  after completing my
education.
I'd really like to interact with visually impaired corporate lawyers in
order to discuss my future options.
I don't think there are many visually impaired corporate lawyers out there.
Most VI people prefer to go into litigation.
So, if there are any corporate lawyers on this list, please do let me know.
I'd love to interact with them on the list  or off-list.

Best,
Rahul

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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Wed May 22 12:42:40 2013
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:42:40 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?
In-Reply-To: <FE2011B3B2D14A66BE9FDE275E726BED@mycomputer>
References: <CAGZitz+wYdACybzDssM0jqJgipfOcLyDqwpHCn72BSR749m4FA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAN4Q-EpYRc4DKWz056xbFDXb8TS_QUC4ycefmNX0BJA84WgdkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE2011B3B2D14A66BE9FDE275E726BED@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <003e01ce56e9$d8dddb30$8a999190$@wiennergould.com>

You should have a sighted person review for formatting errors.  They are too
easy to miss with screen readers.


-------------------------------------------
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Wienner & Gould, P.C.
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Rochester, MI  48307
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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ross Doerr
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:23 AM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?

I agree with Angie.  JAWS can do just so much, and ensuring complete
accuracy on the formatting of documents for court simply requires eyesight
to be right.
In the legal profession, "You are what you write" when it comes to court
documents, and hence, your professional reputation.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
Matney
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:58 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?

My administrative assistant reviews them. I find JAWS is inconsistent about
announcing and displaying changes in attributes, so the most efficient use
of my time is for her to make sure documents I prepare are visually
acceptable.

I'm also eager to hear what others do.

Angie

On 5/21/13, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> What techniques do you use in order to ensure that the documents which 
> you produce are consistant in their formatting, before submitting to 
> courts or colleagues?
>
> Ger
>
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From amatney at hf-law.com  Wed May 22 13:02:58 2013
From: amatney at hf-law.com (Angela Matney)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:02:58 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Corporate Lawyers
In-Reply-To: <003d01ce56e9$afa8b140$0efa13c0$@wiennergould.com>
References: <CADFycPa1c3Mw9Cvb2ny1FjTdO=MxUOWedBiXYqpcmyBzTAZ5Fw@mail.gmail.com>
	<003d01ce56e9$afa8b140$0efa13c0$@wiennergould.com>
Message-ID: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472253A09E1@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com>

I am a transactional lawyer. My practice focuses mostly on employment law, privacy law, and estate planning, but I do other types of work as well. I am happy to answer questions.

Thanks,

Angie





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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:42 AM
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I guess I consider myself a corporate lawyer, because I litigate for corporations.  If you mean a transactional lawyer, that isn't me.


-------------------------------------------
Daniel K. Beitz
Wienner & Gould, P.C.
950 University Dr., Ste. 350
Rochester, MI  48307
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Fax:  (248) 652-2729
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From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:05 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Corporate Lawyers

Hi all,

I intend to work in a law firm as an associate  after completing my education.
I'd really like to interact with visually impaired corporate lawyers in order to discuss my future options.
I don't think there are many visually impaired corporate lawyers out there.
Most VI people prefer to go into litigation.
So, if there are any corporate lawyers on this list, please do let me know.
I'd love to interact with them on the list  or off-list.

Best,
Rahul

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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Wed May 22 14:32:05 2013
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:32:05 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?
References: <CAGZitz+wYdACybzDssM0jqJgipfOcLyDqwpHCn72BSR749m4FA@mail.gmail.com><CAN4Q-EpYRc4DKWz056xbFDXb8TS_QUC4ycefmNX0BJA84WgdkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE2011B3B2D14A66BE9FDE275E726BED@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <F6F750AB6A4845669AE36BC6BF257CD6@victory2>

Hmm, how do blind paralegals handle document formatting for the courts?  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


From rfarber at jw.com  Wed May 22 14:46:55 2013
From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 09:46:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Corporate Lawyers
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPa1c3Mw9Cvb2ny1FjTdO=MxUOWedBiXYqpcmyBzTAZ5Fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPa1c3Mw9Cvb2ny1FjTdO=MxUOWedBiXYqpcmyBzTAZ5Fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E86A9F3DC676742B192213CC4E9D4A20A5A749FDC@PDC-MAIL02.jwllp.com>

Rahul - 

	I am a transactions attorney.  feel free to give me a call to discuss.  My telephone number is below.

Randy Farber
713-752-4241

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:05 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Corporate Lawyers

Hi all,

I intend to work in a law firm as an associate  after completing my education.
I'd really like to interact with visually impaired corporate lawyers in order to discuss my future options.
I don't think there are many visually impaired corporate lawyers out there. Most VI people prefer to go into litigation.
So, if there are any corporate lawyers on this list, please do let me know.
I'd love to interact with them on the list  or off-list.

Best,
Rahul

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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Wed May 22 15:40:42 2013
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:40:42 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Corporate Lawyers
In-Reply-To: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472253A09E1@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com>
References: <CADFycPa1c3Mw9Cvb2ny1FjTdO=MxUOWedBiXYqpcmyBzTAZ5Fw@mail.gmail.com>
	<003d01ce56e9$afa8b140$0efa13c0$@wiennergould.com>
	<20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472253A09E1@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZitzJf6M9BEimNB_syVqOmoNY0YUOSu7YJBxWmAr6uBaCFWQ@mail.gmail.com>

hi,
I would be really interested in hearing all your experiences, systems
that worked for you etc.!

On 5/22/13, Angela Matney <amatney at hf-law.com> wrote:
> I am a transactional lawyer. My practice focuses mostly on employment law,
> privacy law, and estate planning, but I do other types of work as well. I am
> happy to answer questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Angie
>
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Blind Corporate Lawyers
>
> I guess I consider myself a corporate lawyer, because I litigate for
> corporations.  If you mean a transactional lawyer, that isn't me.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
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> Bajaj
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:05 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] Blind Corporate Lawyers
>
> Hi all,
>
> I intend to work in a law firm as an associate  after completing my
> education.
> I'd really like to interact with visually impaired corporate lawyers in
> order to discuss my future options.
> I don't think there are many visually impaired corporate lawyers out there.
> Most VI people prefer to go into litigation.
> So, if there are any corporate lawyers on this list, please do let me know.
> I'd love to interact with them on the list  or off-list.
>
> Best,
> Rahul
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From johnrsheehan at yahoo.com  Wed May 22 18:02:30 2013
From: johnrsheehan at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?am9obnJzaGVlaGFuQHlhaG9vLmNvbQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 14:02:30 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] =?utf-8?q?Accessible_curriculum_question?=
Message-ID: <25142.43544.bm@smtp114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I'd be interested in who the publisher is.

Sent from my HTC One™ X 
Fr. John Sheehan SJ
Xavier Society for the Blind

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Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible curriculum question
Date: Tue, May 21, 2013 12:31


Hi everyone, I am hoping that someone on this list might be able to answer a question. I know that there are very specific laws pertaining to students and accessible text books. However I am not certain if that includes teachers whblind that need accessible curriculum  or parents who are blind who need accessible curriculum to homeschool or follow along with their child. 
I am currently trying to obtain a homeschool curriculum to use with my children and the publisher is refusing to provide it in an accessible version. They admit that they have it in a PDF form, but do not want to give it to me because of intellectual copyright. I have tried to explain to them that I understand the intellectual copyright and will sign anything they need. I have also suggested they put it in a password protected file, or water mark the PDF for my use only.  They also offer this course as an online membership. However you are required to purchase a 12 month membership that Grant to access only during that time frame. Which would mean I have to purchase the course every time one of my children need to take it. This would more than triple my cost. Obviously I can  obtain the hard copy books and scan them myself. But it seems to me that if they have it inaccessible form this would be the ideal way of utilizing their material. My question is is there any laws regulations that would pertain to a blind parent or teacher meeting accessible curriculum to educate their children or students? This agency is not government funded, 
If you need more information feel free to email me. Thank you all for any help you provide.
Amber 

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From b.s.spiry at gmail.com  Wed May 22 18:35:25 2013
From: b.s.spiry at gmail.com (Bill Spiry)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 11:35:25 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?
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	<003e01ce56e9$d8dddb30$8a999190$@wiennergould.com>
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I learned long ago in my pre law career in HR that sending out one of my
writings "sight unseen" was like spinning the cylinder on a pistol with two
bullets and pulling the trigger against your professional reputation. The
bullets are even bigger in law practice. I never send anything of importance
out without a visual format review by an assistant. It is possible to
thoroughly proof a document with JAWS but it takes an insane amount of time,
way more than could be justified as billable hours.


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You should have a sighted person review for formatting errors.  They are too
easy to miss with screen readers.


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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:23 AM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?

I agree with Angie.  JAWS can do just so much, and ensuring complete
accuracy on the formatting of documents for court simply requires eyesight
to be right.
In the legal profession, "You are what you write" when it comes to court
documents, and hence, your professional reputation.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
Matney
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:58 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?

My administrative assistant reviews them. I find JAWS is inconsistent about
announcing and displaying changes in attributes, so the most efficient use
of my time is for her to make sure documents I prepare are visually
acceptable.

I'm also eager to hear what others do.

Angie

On 5/21/13, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> What techniques do you use in order to ensure that the documents which 
> you produce are consistant in their formatting, before submitting to 
> courts or colleagues?
>
> Ger
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From amatney at hf-law.com  Wed May 22 18:48:46 2013
From: amatney at hf-law.com (Angela Matney)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 18:48:46 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?
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Exactly. And I find that some inconsistencies are hard, if not impossible, to catch. An example would be straight quotes and curly quotes. They look the same on my display, and sometimes they seem to be read the same (and sometimes Jaws seems to say "left quote" and "right quote," but sometimes not). My assistant makes sure my quotes are consistent before I send things out.

Angie





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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?

I learned long ago in my pre law career in HR that sending out one of my writings "sight unseen" was like spinning the cylinder on a pistol with two bullets and pulling the trigger against your professional reputation. The bullets are even bigger in law practice. I never send anything of importance out without a visual format review by an assistant. It is possible to thoroughly proof a document with JAWS but it takes an insane amount of time, way more than could be justified as billable hours.


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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?

You should have a sighted person review for formatting errors.  They are too easy to miss with screen readers.


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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:23 AM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?

I agree with Angie.  JAWS can do just so much, and ensuring complete accuracy on the formatting of documents for court simply requires eyesight to be right.
In the legal profession, "You are what you write" when it comes to court documents, and hence, your professional reputation.



-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:58 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?

My administrative assistant reviews them. I find JAWS is inconsistent about announcing and displaying changes in attributes, so the most efficient use of my time is for her to make sure documents I prepare are visually acceptable.

I'm also eager to hear what others do.

Angie

On 5/21/13, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> What techniques do you use in order to ensure that the documents which
> you produce are consistant in their formatting, before submitting to
> courts or colleagues?
>
> Ger
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed May 22 20:09:09 2013
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 14:09:09 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Sign this petition and help end the book famine for
	the blind
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Friends, please read the below and sign the petition.

 

Thanks,

Scott

 

From: Pare, John [mailto:JPare at nfb.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:48 PM
To: Pare, John
Subject: Sign this petition and help end the book famine for the blind

 

Dear Friends:

 

Blind and print-disabled people in the United States and across the world
need your help to relieve the worldwide book famine that prevents us from
receiving an education, attaining employment, and fully participating in
society. The World Intellectual Property Organization is considering a
treaty that would make more books available to blind and print-disabled
people all over the world by promoting an exception to copyright law
allowing books to be produced in special formats like Braille and to be
shared across international borders. This treaty is called the Treaty for
the Blind or the VIP Treaty. Unfortunately, publishers, big media, and other
rights holders like GE and Caterpillar, some of whom have nothing to do with
the publishing of books at all, are complicating the negotiations in an
attempt to water down or kill the treaty. You can help by sending a strong
message that you support a treaty that helps the blind and print disabled
get access to more books. Please sign the petition at
https://nfb.org/civicrm/petition/sign?sid=2
<https://nfb.org/civicrm/petition/sign?sid=2&reset=1> &reset=1

 

Please share the petition link with your family, friends, and others who you
feel will support this effort.

 

Thank you for your support.

 

John G. Paré Jr. 

Executive Director for Advocacy and Policy 

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND

 

 


From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Wed May 22 23:44:39 2013
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (Ronza Othman)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 19:44:39 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Waitlist Question
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Hi Jordan,

If you haven't heard by June 15, I'd make other plans.  Law school
applications are at an all-time high, and most schools require a commitment
by May 1, if not sooner.  If you wait too long, you might miss out on some
fantastic alternative option.  Also, if by June 15 there aren't any open
slots, there probably won't be until a day or two before classes start (when
a couple of slots might open up if someone is too sick to attend).  Worst
case scenario, if they offer you a slot and you've already made plans to do
something else, you can defer your admission until the following year, or at
some schools the following semester.

Good luck.

Ronza


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Richardson
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Lawyers List; National Association of
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Subject: [blindlaw] Waitlist Question

Hello everybody,

I have been waitlisted at a law school.  I am just wondering how long do you
think is typical to wait before making other concrete plans?

Thank you all,
Jordan Richardson

--
Jordan Richardson
President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students lilrichie411 at gmail.com
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From: dravant at ameritech.net (Denise Avant)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:28:30 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: Please post/forward: ACLU Fall 2013 Disability
	Rights Legal Internship, San Francisco, CA
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> The Equality Center – Disability Rights Section of the ACLU’s National Office in New York City and San Francisco seeks applicants for Fall 2013/Spring 2014 Legal Internships. The internships will be located in the San Francisco Office. 
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> The internship is designed to provide legal interns with the opportunity to learn about public interest law, with a disability rights focus. Interns will work closely with the Equality Center – Disability Counsel.   Legal interns will be expected to:
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> 
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> 
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> HOW TO APPLY
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> Applications can be mailed to:
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From dravant at ameritech.net  Thu May 23 01:33:09 2013
From: dravant at ameritech.net (Denise Avant)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 20:33:09 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: 2013 Impact Career Fair Registration Open
References: <754CD11606D64746A911DFADB3D18CD5488418@EXCH-MB-02.aba.ad.abanet.org>
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Denise Avant
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Appeal by sending your tax deductible donation to NFBI c/o Glenn Moore III,
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> Subject: 2013 Impact Career Fair Registration Open
> Date: May 22, 2013 2:32:26 PM CDT
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> 
> http://www.law.arizona.edu/Career/Impact/welcome.cfm
> 9th Annual IMPACT Career Fair for
> Law Students and Attorneys with Disabilities 
> 
> Friday, August 9, 2013
> Hyatt Regency Crystal City at Reagan National Airport
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu May 23 21:23:34 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 17:23:34 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] NIJ: Computer forensics report
Message-ID: <A677AECEA76B4301BFCF056C3644034E@mycomputer>

I am posting a copy and paste of a NIJ notice I received today that I
thought would be of interest to attorneys. The link I added to it should
take you directly to the PDF of the report.
Ross

National Institute of Justice
forensic tool testing (CFTT) special report:

Test Results for Digital Data Acquisition Tool: FTK Imager CLI 2.9.0_Debian
(pdf, 128 pages)
(Ross Note: BlindLaw users go to the link below)
https://ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/242138.pdf

This document reports the results from testing FTK Imager CLI 2.9.0_Debian
against the Digital Data Acquisition Tool Assertions and Test Plan Version
1.0.

Test results provide the information necessary for developers to improve
tools, for users to make informed choices, and for the legal community and
others to understand the tools' capabilities. The CFTT approach to testing
computer forensic tools is based on well-recognized methodologies for
conformance and quality testing.

You may also:

View all Computer Forensic Tool Testing reports. 
View all recently added publications and multimedia. 



From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu May 23 22:13:26 2013
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:13:26 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [Nfbnet-master-list] Sign this petition and help end
	the book	famine for the blind
In-Reply-To: <auto-000110944241@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000110944241@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <011801ce5802$c0391b70$40ab5250$@labarrelaw.com>

In case you haven't seen this, please read the below and sign the petition.

Thanks,
Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Nfbnet-master-list [mailto:nfbnet-master-list-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:05 PM
To: nfbnet-master-list at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Nfbnet-master-list] Sign this petition and help end the book
famine for the blind

Dear Friends:

Blind and print-disabled people in the United 
States and across the world need your help to 
relieve the worldwide book famine that prevents 
us from receiving an education, attaining 
employment, and fully participating in society. 
The World Intellectual Property Organization is 
considering a treaty that would make more books 
available to blind and print-disabled people all 
over the world by promoting an exception to 
copyright law allowing books to be produced in 
special formats like Braille and to be shared 
across international borders. This treaty is 
called the Treaty for the Blind or the VIP 
Treaty. Unfortunately, publishers, big media, and 
other rights holders like GE and Caterpillar, 
some of whom have nothing to do with the 
publishing of books at all, are complicating the 
negotiations in an attempt to water down or kill 
the treaty. You can help by sending a strong 
message that you support a treaty that helps the 
blind and print disabled get access to more 
books. Please sign the petition at 
https://nfb.org/civicrm/petition/sign?sid=2&reset=1

Also, please share the petition link with your 
family, friends, and others who you feel will support this effort.

Thank you for your support.

John G. Paré Jr.
Executive Director for Advocacy and Policy NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIN


_______________________________________________
Nfbnet-master-list mailing list
Nfbnet-master-list at nfbnet.org



From mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com  Sun May 26 06:55:27 2013
From: mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com (Nicholas Parsons)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 16:55:27 +1000
Subject: [blindlaw] Strategies for Blind Litigators
Message-ID: <597BD29D-28EE-4A51-A1E2-DE92E2F1E2CE@gmail.com>

Hi list,

I'm a law student from Australia. I'm in my final semester, completing my practical legal training (similar to your bar exam) before getting admitted as a lawyer. I'm applying to become a judge's associate (which is what you in the States call a law clerk) next year and after that hope to practice as a barrister – which is the name we give to trial and appellate advocates.

I don't know that there have been any trial or appellate advocates in Australia who have been blind. We have had a law school dean, a human rights commissioner, an attorney-general and many transactional solicitors who have been blind, but no courtroom advocates to my knowledge. So I'd really appreciate speaking with anyone from the US or anywhere else who has had such experience.

I suppose at this stage I'm really trying to assess the feasibility of this career path, and identify any particular skills I should try and develop to manage in court without sight.

Look forward to hearing from any and all.

Kind regards,
Nic

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon May 27 12:03:53 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 08:03:53 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] People With Disabilities Foundation Class Action Admin.
	Suit
Message-ID: <A8A78A7E6B8F4172B82D0F1886443EB8@mycomputer>

This is a report on a class action administrative class action regarding
those with mental illness/dev. Disabilities - if you're interested in this
report go to:
http://pwdf.org/news/press.htmlon 



From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon May 27 12:06:11 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 08:06:11 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Report on administrative class action against the SSA
Message-ID: <A86426CE26DD439A995EC0E56DE6EA23@mycomputer>

...as put out by the people with disabilities foundation.
If you're interested in the report go to:
http://pwdf.org/news/press.html



From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Mon May 27 19:24:09 2013
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 20:24:09 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Strategies for Blind Litigators
In-Reply-To: <597BD29D-28EE-4A51-A1E2-DE92E2F1E2CE@gmail.com>
References: <597BD29D-28EE-4A51-A1E2-DE92E2F1E2CE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZitzLbjKu51fiDV3cpaE70qLtHEW5vyg54Xp8JLaCmPKyYkw@mail.gmail.com>

hi nick and all,
Just a note to say how interested I too am in this query.
All the best
Ger

On 5/26/13, Nicholas Parsons <mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I'm a law student from Australia. I'm in my final semester, completing my
> practical legal training (similar to your bar exam) before getting admitted
> as a lawyer. I'm applying to become a judge's associate (which is what you
> in the States call a law clerk) next year and after that hope to practice as
> a barrister – which is the name we give to trial and appellate advocates.
>
> I don't know that there have been any trial or appellate advocates in
> Australia who have been blind. We have had a law school dean, a human rights
> commissioner, an attorney-general and many transactional solicitors who have
> been blind, but no courtroom advocates to my knowledge. So I'd really
> appreciate speaking with anyone from the US or anywhere else who has had
> such experience.
>
> I suppose at this stage I'm really trying to assess the feasibility of this
> career path, and identify any particular skills I should try and develop to
> manage in court without sight.
>
> Look forward to hearing from any and all.
>
> Kind regards,
> Nic
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> blindlaw:
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed May 29 13:43:38 2013
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 07:43:38 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility
In-Reply-To: <E7FDEDBC-9313-4A26-B678-BDA6E70D002D@eisgraualliances.com>
References: <7EDB8C6F-0C15-485D-98B8-133EFF3EEEC3@eisgraualliances.com>
	<E7FDEDBC-9313-4A26-B678-BDA6E70D002D@eisgraualliances.com>
Message-ID: <006401ce5c72$865de290$9319a7b0$@labarrelaw.com>

It is incredibly ironic that when we attempt to petition our government which is suppose to be a leader in accessiblity, we face such an obstacle.  When I signed the petition, I attempted to use the so-called audio challenge and it sounds like R2D2 on LSD speaking through a mouth full of cotton.  It is impossible to decipher the code you are suppose to type in.  I had to have someone who could see the screen read the code to me.  

 

 

Best,

Scott

From: Adam Eisgrau [mailto:adam at eisgraualliances.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:19 PM
To: Fredric Schroeder; John Pare; Chris Danielsen; Jesse Hartle; Scott C. LaBarre; mbrunson at acb.org; Gigi B. Sohn; Bartees Cox; Sean Meloy; Jon Band; Carrie Russell; prue at arl.org; Jamie Love; Manon Ress; Jim Fruchterman; khinton at mercuryllc.com
Subject: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility

 

 <http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html> http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html

 <http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html> Blind advocates blast White House 

By  <http://www.politico.com/reporters/DonovanSlack.html> DONOVAN SLACK |  


5/28/13 6:37 PM EDT


The National Federation of the Blind is fuming mad over the White House web site, complaining that its members have been unable to sign an important online petition.

The glitch, the group says, is in those often annoying tests that require users to type in a set of numbers and letters to prove they are human. On the White House web site, blind users can select an audio version of the test, but the audio is incomprehensible, according to federation spokesman Chris Danielsen.

And if users want to send email notifying the White House about the problem, well, that also requires a computer-human test with garbled audio, too, he said.

"We had asked people to sign the petition and we're getting these emails saying that people can't," Danielsen told POLITICO.

"The Constitution allows all of us to petition our government for a redress of grievance. It says nothing about needing to be able to see in order to do so."

The  <https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/side-blind-over-obstructionist-companies-secure-treaty-blind-makes-books-accessible-globally/ZJtgcVph> petition calls for the Obama administration to support an international treaty making more books accessible to the blind. So far, some 6,100 people have signed on since it was created May 23. But Danielsen said many more would have signed on had it not been for the web site issues. For an official White House response, it would need to reach 100,000 signatures before June 23. <x-apple-data-detectors://7> 

The White House says the web site is fully compliant with Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act, which requires that federal web sites be accessible to people with disabilities, and it says it is looking into improving the site.

In the meantime, the Federation of the Blind wants the signature requirement waived so the administration will respond to its petition. Danielsen said the federation had thought that the administration would support the international treaty, which is being brokered in Morocco next month, but there has been a barrage of lobbying by some big business groups against the treaty and so the federation wants to make sure the White House still supports it.

"The administration has seemed supportive of it in the past, but lately the administration doesn’t seem to be commenting on it publicly," he said. "We're concerned that all of this intense lobbying is getting to this administration."

 


Adam Eisgrau

202.215.6884


On May 28, 2013, at 7:41 AM, "Adam Eisgrau" <adam at eisgraualliances.com> wrote:

Good morning folks.  Just a reminder that we established Tuesdays and Thursdays at 11 am EDT for larger group coordinating calls on the dial-in number below.  (Have I missed any invitees?)  We appreciate your time and contributions!  Key items for today's call include:





-- ongoing stakeholder conversations

-- petition efforts' progress

-- video effort

-- messaging campaign status

-- related event planning





Thanks, 





Adam





Number: (877) 394-5901 <tel:(877)%20394-5901> 

 <tel:(877)%20394-5901> Access Code: 4781852

Adam Eisgrau

202.215.6884


From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 29 14:41:24 2013
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 07:41:24 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility
In-Reply-To: <006401ce5c72$865de290$9319a7b0$@labarrelaw.com>
References: <7EDB8C6F-0C15-485D-98B8-133EFF3EEEC3@eisgraualliances.com><E7FDEDBC-9313-4A26-B678-BDA6E70D002D@eisgraualliances.com>
	<006401ce5c72$865de290$9319a7b0$@labarrelaw.com>
Message-ID: <CB6D82F2BA6D4F9F8A5BE4949F77BE1D@Spike>

I have had an active account on the White House site for quite some time and 
I have had no problems signing many petitions there. I think that the only 
time I may have been confronted with a captcha was when establishing the 
account but as I recall it was solved with WebVisum. The layout of the web 
site however leaves much to be desired as it is repetitive and poorly 
organized with everything being displayed on every page.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
To: <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:43 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility


> It is incredibly ironic that when we attempt to petition our government 
> which is suppose to be a leader in accessiblity, we face such an obstacle. 
> When I signed the petition, I attempted to use the so-called audio 
> challenge and it sounds like R2D2 on LSD speaking through a mouth full of 
> cotton.  It is impossible to decipher the code you are suppose to type in. 
> I had to have someone who could see the screen read the code to me.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Scott
>
> From: Adam Eisgrau [mailto:adam at eisgraualliances.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:19 PM
> To: Fredric Schroeder; John Pare; Chris Danielsen; Jesse Hartle; Scott C. 
> LaBarre; mbrunson at acb.org; Gigi B. Sohn; Bartees Cox; Sean Meloy; Jon 
> Band; Carrie Russell; prue at arl.org; Jamie Love; Manon Ress; Jim 
> Fruchterman; khinton at mercuryllc.com
> Subject: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility
>
>
>
> <http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html> 
> http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html
>
> <http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html> 
> Blind advocates blast White House
>
> By  <http://www.politico.com/reporters/DonovanSlack.html> DONOVAN SLACK |
>
>
> 5/28/13 6:37 PM EDT
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind is fuming mad over the White House 
> web site, complaining that its members have been unable to sign an 
> important online petition.
>
> The glitch, the group says, is in those often annoying tests that require 
> users to type in a set of numbers and letters to prove they are human. On 
> the White House web site, blind users can select an audio version of the 
> test, but the audio is incomprehensible, according to federation spokesman 
> Chris Danielsen.
>
> And if users want to send email notifying the White House about the 
> problem, well, that also requires a computer-human test with garbled 
> audio, too, he said.
>
> "We had asked people to sign the petition and we're getting these emails 
> saying that people can't," Danielsen told POLITICO.
>
> "The Constitution allows all of us to petition our government for a 
> redress of grievance. It says nothing about needing to be able to see in 
> order to do so."
>
> The 
> <https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/side-blind-over-obstructionist-companies-secure-treaty-blind-makes-books-accessible-globally/ZJtgcVph> 
> petition calls for the Obama administration to support an international 
> treaty making more books accessible to the blind. So far, some 6,100 
> people have signed on since it was created May 23. But Danielsen said many 
> more would have signed on had it not been for the web site issues. For an 
> official White House response, it would need to reach 100,000 signatures 
> before June 23. <x-apple-data-detectors://7>
>
> The White House says the web site is fully compliant with Section 508 of 
> the Rehabilitation Act, which requires that federal web sites be 
> accessible to people with disabilities, and it says it is looking into 
> improving the site.
>
> In the meantime, the Federation of the Blind wants the signature 
> requirement waived so the administration will respond to its petition. 
> Danielsen said the federation had thought that the administration would 
> support the international treaty, which is being brokered in Morocco next 
> month, but there has been a barrage of lobbying by some big business 
> groups against the treaty and so the federation wants to make sure the 
> White House still supports it.
>
> "The administration has seemed supportive of it in the past, but lately 
> the administration doesn’t seem to be commenting on it publicly," he said. 
> "We're concerned that all of this intense lobbying is getting to this 
> administration."
>
>
>
>
> Adam Eisgrau
>
> 202.215.6884
>
>
> On May 28, 2013, at 7:41 AM, "Adam Eisgrau" <adam at eisgraualliances.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Good morning folks.  Just a reminder that we established Tuesdays and 
> Thursdays at 11 am EDT for larger group coordinating calls on the dial-in 
> number below.  (Have I missed any invitees?)  We appreciate your time and 
> contributions!  Key items for today's call include:
>
>
>
>
>
> -- ongoing stakeholder conversations
>
> -- petition efforts' progress
>
> -- video effort
>
> -- messaging campaign status
>
> -- related event planning
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> Number: (877) 394-5901 <tel:(877)%20394-5901>
>
> <tel:(877)%20394-5901> Access Code: 4781852
>
> Adam Eisgrau
>
> 202.215.6884
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> blindlaw:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net
> 



From dricken at gmail.com  Wed May 29 14:52:20 2013
From: dricken at gmail.com (Kendrick Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:52:20 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Qualified Immunity Discovery
Message-ID: <CACFZqTrzqokfGK32TCLrY7Qi1ZnaHnmKAyewCOn5iUooPQ=PJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Morning list mmates,

Does anyone have sample discovery specifically focused on qualified
immunity.  If you do please contact me off list.


-- 
*
Being Blind isn't a right, it's a privilege!

*
*Best Regards,*
* *

*Kendrick R. Kennedy, Esq.*

CONWAY & MARTIN P.C.

1600 24th Avenue, Suite B (39501)Post Office Box 757 Gulfport, MS 39502
228-863-3183 (P)228-863-3379 (F)

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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed May 29 16:04:47 2013
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 10:04:47 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility
In-Reply-To: <CB6D82F2BA6D4F9F8A5BE4949F77BE1D@Spike>
References: <7EDB8C6F-0C15-485D-98B8-133EFF3EEEC3@eisgraualliances.com><E7FDEDBC-9313-4A26-B678-BDA6E70D002D@eisgraualliances.com>	<006401ce5c72$865de290$9319a7b0$@labarrelaw.com>
	<CB6D82F2BA6D4F9F8A5BE4949F77BE1D@Spike>
Message-ID: <004501ce5c86$3e257ba0$ba7072e0$@labarrelaw.com>

Chuck, you are correct.  The audio challenge comes when you establish an account, a mandatory step prior to  being able to to sign.  It is also true that one can take a bunch of extra steps and figure out a way to  defeat the challenge.  However, the point is that we shouldn't have to take so many extra steps to accomplish the same goal the a sighted person can achieve in one step in a situation like this where it is entirely possible to make the site completely accessible.  On our NFB site, we do petitions quite frequently and our process does not require a blind person to seek assistance or go through extraneous steps to complete the petition signing.  We verify that the person wishing to sign the petition is a real person by sending them and email and asking them to send a confirming reply message.  The Whitehouse alleges that they are fully compliant with 508 but the core concept behind 508 is that we are able to  use information technology on the same terms with the non-disabled.  The Whitehouse site along with the vast majority of other federal sites fall far short from this goal.

Finally, I ask everyone to go to our website and to the Whitehouse site to sign the petitions as best you can.  I know that ours will work just fine and perhaps you will find a way to mash through the audio challenge.



Whitehouse Petition:  http://wh.gov/hcED

NFB Petition:
https://nfb.org/civicrm/petition/sign?sid=2&reset=1  

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:41 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility

I have had an active account on the White House site for quite some time and I have had no problems signing many petitions there. I think that the only time I may have been confronted with a captcha was when establishing the account but as I recall it was solved with WebVisum. The layout of the web site however leaves much to be desired as it is repetitive and poorly organized with everything being displayed on every page.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
To: <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:43 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility


> It is incredibly ironic that when we attempt to petition our 
> government which is suppose to be a leader in accessiblity, we face such an obstacle.
> When I signed the petition, I attempted to use the so-called audio 
> challenge and it sounds like R2D2 on LSD speaking through a mouth full 
> of cotton.  It is impossible to decipher the code you are suppose to type in.
> I had to have someone who could see the screen read the code to me.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Scott
>
> From: Adam Eisgrau [mailto:adam at eisgraualliances.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:19 PM
> To: Fredric Schroeder; John Pare; Chris Danielsen; Jesse Hartle; Scott C. 
> LaBarre; mbrunson at acb.org; Gigi B. Sohn; Bartees Cox; Sean Meloy; Jon 
> Band; Carrie Russell; prue at arl.org; Jamie Love; Manon Ress; Jim 
> Fruchterman; khinton at mercuryllc.com
> Subject: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility
>
>
>
> <http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html> 
> http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html
>
> <http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html> 
> Blind advocates blast White House
>
> By  <http://www.politico.com/reporters/DonovanSlack.html> DONOVAN SLACK |
>
>
> 5/28/13 6:37 PM EDT
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind is fuming mad over the White House 
> web site, complaining that its members have been unable to sign an 
> important online petition.
>
> The glitch, the group says, is in those often annoying tests that require 
> users to type in a set of numbers and letters to prove they are human. On 
> the White House web site, blind users can select an audio version of the 
> test, but the audio is incomprehensible, according to federation spokesman 
> Chris Danielsen.
>
> And if users want to send email notifying the White House about the 
> problem, well, that also requires a computer-human test with garbled 
> audio, too, he said.
>
> "We had asked people to sign the petition and we're getting these emails 
> saying that people can't," Danielsen told POLITICO.
>
> "The Constitution allows all of us to petition our government for a 
> redress of grievance. It says nothing about needing to be able to see in 
> order to do so."
>
> The 
> <https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/side-blind-over-obstructionist-companies-secure-treaty-blind-makes-books-accessible-globally/ZJtgcVph> 
> petition calls for the Obama administration to support an international 
> treaty making more books accessible to the blind. So far, some 6,100 
> people have signed on since it was created May 23. But Danielsen said many 
> more would have signed on had it not been for the web site issues. For an 
> official White House response, it would need to reach 100,000 signatures 
> before June 23. <x-apple-data-detectors://7>
>
> The White House says the web site is fully compliant with Section 508 of 
> the Rehabilitation Act, which requires that federal web sites be 
> accessible to people with disabilities, and it says it is looking into 
> improving the site.
>
> In the meantime, the Federation of the Blind wants the signature 
> requirement waived so the administration will respond to its petition. 
> Danielsen said the federation had thought that the administration would 
> support the international treaty, which is being brokered in Morocco next 
> month, but there has been a barrage of lobbying by some big business 
> groups against the treaty and so the federation wants to make sure the 
> White House still supports it.
>
> "The administration has seemed supportive of it in the past, but lately 
> the administration doesn’t seem to be commenting on it publicly," he said. 
> "We're concerned that all of this intense lobbying is getting to this 
> administration."
>
>
>
>
> Adam Eisgrau
>
> 202.215.6884
>
>
> On May 28, 2013, at 7:41 AM, "Adam Eisgrau" <adam at eisgraualliances.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Good morning folks.  Just a reminder that we established Tuesdays and 
> Thursdays at 11 am EDT for larger group coordinating calls on the dial-in 
> number below.  (Have I missed any invitees?)  We appreciate your time and 
> contributions!  Key items for today's call include:
>
>
>
>
>
> -- ongoing stakeholder conversations
>
> -- petition efforts' progress
>
> -- video effort
>
> -- messaging campaign status
>
> -- related event planning
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> Number: (877) 394-5901 <tel:(877)%20394-5901>
>
> <tel:(877)%20394-5901> Access Code: 4781852
>
> Adam Eisgrau
>
> 202.215.6884
>
> _______________________________________________
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From b.s.spiry at gmail.com  Wed May 29 16:34:28 2013
From: b.s.spiry at gmail.com (Bill Spiry)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:34:28 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility
In-Reply-To: <004501ce5c86$3e257ba0$ba7072e0$@labarrelaw.com>
References: <7EDB8C6F-0C15-485D-98B8-133EFF3EEEC3@eisgraualliances.com><E7FDEDBC-9313-4A26-B678-BDA6E70D002D@eisgraualliances.com>	<006401ce5c72$865de290$9319a7b0$@labarrelaw.com>	<CB6D82F2BA6D4F9F8A5BE4949F77BE1D@Spike>
	<004501ce5c86$3e257ba0$ba7072e0$@labarrelaw.com>
Message-ID: <011c01ce5c8a$63f86af0$2be940d0$@gmail.com>

Truly a bad design. 

Bill Spiry
Attorney at Law
(541) 510-2623
Bill.spiry at gmail.com 

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Scott C. LaBarre
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:05 AM
To: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility

Chuck, you are correct.  The audio challenge comes when you establish an account, a mandatory step prior to  being able to to sign.  It is also true that one can take a bunch of extra steps and figure out a way to  defeat the challenge.  However, the point is that we shouldn't have to take so many extra steps to accomplish the same goal the a sighted person can achieve in one step in a situation like this where it is entirely possible to make the site completely accessible.  On our NFB site, we do petitions quite frequently and our process does not require a blind person to seek assistance or go through extraneous steps to complete the petition signing.  We verify that the person wishing to sign the petition is a real person by sending them and email and asking them to send a confirming reply message.  The Whitehouse alleges that they are fully compliant with 508 but the core concept behind 508 is that we are able to  use information technology on the same terms with the non-disabled.  The Whitehouse site along with the vast majority of other federal sites fall far short from this goal.

Finally, I ask everyone to go to our website and to the Whitehouse site to sign the petitions as best you can.  I know that ours will work just fine and perhaps you will find a way to mash through the audio challenge.



Whitehouse Petition:  http://wh.gov/hcED

NFB Petition:
https://nfb.org/civicrm/petition/sign?sid=2&reset=1  

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:41 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility

I have had an active account on the White House site for quite some time and I have had no problems signing many petitions there. I think that the only time I may have been confronted with a captcha was when establishing the account but as I recall it was solved with WebVisum. The layout of the web site however leaves much to be desired as it is repetitive and poorly organized with everything being displayed on every page.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
To: <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:43 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility


> It is incredibly ironic that when we attempt to petition our 
> government which is suppose to be a leader in accessiblity, we face such an obstacle.
> When I signed the petition, I attempted to use the so-called audio 
> challenge and it sounds like R2D2 on LSD speaking through a mouth full 
> of cotton.  It is impossible to decipher the code you are suppose to type in.
> I had to have someone who could see the screen read the code to me.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Scott
>
> From: Adam Eisgrau [mailto:adam at eisgraualliances.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:19 PM
> To: Fredric Schroeder; John Pare; Chris Danielsen; Jesse Hartle; Scott C. 
> LaBarre; mbrunson at acb.org; Gigi B. Sohn; Bartees Cox; Sean Meloy; Jon 
> Band; Carrie Russell; prue at arl.org; Jamie Love; Manon Ress; Jim 
> Fruchterman; khinton at mercuryllc.com
> Subject: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility
>
>
>
> <http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-whit
> e-house-164914.html> 
> http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white
> -house-164914.html
>
> <http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-whit
> e-house-164914.html>
> Blind advocates blast White House
>
> By  <http://www.politico.com/reporters/DonovanSlack.html> DONOVAN 
> SLACK |
>
>
> 5/28/13 6:37 PM EDT
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind is fuming mad over the White 
> House web site, complaining that its members have been unable to sign 
> an important online petition.
>
> The glitch, the group says, is in those often annoying tests that 
> require users to type in a set of numbers and letters to prove they 
> are human. On the White House web site, blind users can select an 
> audio version of the test, but the audio is incomprehensible, 
> according to federation spokesman Chris Danielsen.
>
> And if users want to send email notifying the White House about the 
> problem, well, that also requires a computer-human test with garbled 
> audio, too, he said.
>
> "We had asked people to sign the petition and we're getting these 
> emails saying that people can't," Danielsen told POLITICO.
>
> "The Constitution allows all of us to petition our government for a 
> redress of grievance. It says nothing about needing to be able to see 
> in order to do so."
>
> The
> <https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/side-blind-over-obstruction
> ist-companies-secure-treaty-blind-makes-books-accessible-globally/ZJtg
> cVph> petition calls for the Obama administration to support an 
> international treaty making more books accessible to the blind. So 
> far, some 6,100 people have signed on since it was created May 23. But 
> Danielsen said many more would have signed on had it not been for the 
> web site issues. For an official White House response, it would need 
> to reach 100,000 signatures before June 23. 
> <x-apple-data-detectors://7>
>
> The White House says the web site is fully compliant with Section 508 
> of the Rehabilitation Act, which requires that federal web sites be 
> accessible to people with disabilities, and it says it is looking into 
> improving the site.
>
> In the meantime, the Federation of the Blind wants the signature 
> requirement waived so the administration will respond to its petition.
> Danielsen said the federation had thought that the administration 
> would support the international treaty, which is being brokered in 
> Morocco next month, but there has been a barrage of lobbying by some 
> big business groups against the treaty and so the federation wants to 
> make sure the White House still supports it.
>
> "The administration has seemed supportive of it in the past, but 
> lately the administration doesn’t seem to be commenting on it publicly," he said.
> "We're concerned that all of this intense lobbying is getting to this 
> administration."
>
>
>
>
> Adam Eisgrau
>
> 202.215.6884
>
>
> On May 28, 2013, at 7:41 AM, "Adam Eisgrau" 
> <adam at eisgraualliances.com>
> wrote:
>
> Good morning folks.  Just a reminder that we established Tuesdays and 
> Thursdays at 11 am EDT for larger group coordinating calls on the 
> dial-in number below.  (Have I missed any invitees?)  We appreciate 
> your time and contributions!  Key items for today's call include:
>
>
>
>
>
> -- ongoing stakeholder conversations
>
> -- petition efforts' progress
>
> -- video effort
>
> -- messaging campaign status
>
> -- related event planning
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> Number: (877) 394-5901 <tel:(877)%20394-5901>
>
> <tel:(877)%20394-5901> Access Code: 4781852
>
> Adam Eisgrau
>
> 202.215.6884
>
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
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> blindlaw:
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed May 29 16:52:15 2013
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:52:15 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Asked to demonstrate computer skills,
 0 of 9 law firms passed in-house hiring test, ABA Journal, May 23 2013
In-Reply-To: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE162341DDB1D8205F@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov>
References: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE162341DDB1D8205F@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7EDA5BE3BB31B@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

Blind Law listers:

I thought this brief article was interesting and a lesson for me to keep up my computer skills, which we often discuss on this list.

Noel

Link:
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/in-house_lawyer_tests_biglaw_firms_for_computer_skills_before_hiring_them/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email

Text:
Asked to demonstrate computer skills, 0 of 9 law firms passed in-house hiring test
Posted May 23, 2013
By Martha Neil

Frustrated by big bills for routine matters, D. Casey Flaherty, who serves corporate counsel at Kia Motors America, struck back with a computer skills test for potential law firm hires.

Invited to submit an associate of their choice for testing, the first nine firms flunked, Flaherty, a keynote speaker, told a large group attending the LegalTech West Coast conference in Los Angeles this week. One firm, he said, flunked twice, Law Technology News reports.

Not all of those first nine firms were BigLaw firms, Flaherty told the ABA Journal. "Most were. But not all. And, indeed, the smallest of the firms also was, by far, the best."

The issue is time, Flaherty explained in his talk on "Raising the Bar on Technological Competence-the Outside Counsel Tech Audit." Multiply a Microsoft Word or Excel task that should take seconds by minutes, especially if it is performed again and again, and it can add up to a significant amount of money at law firms' billable rates.

"The audit should take one hour," he said, "but the average pace is five hours."

Examples of tasks associates had trouble completing swiftly, because they obviously aren't being trained on such skills, included providing PDF documents for court submissions and getting documents Bates-numbered.

Although Flaherty conducted the skills audit for the nine law firms himself, he is working with an outside training firm to automate the skills audit. He then plans to provide it at no cost to general counsel at other companies.

An earlier Law Technology News video and two articles (Law Technology News, Jan. 24, 2013. and Law Technology News, Jan. 25, 2013) provide further details.

Updated May 24 to include clarifications from Flaherty.

From attorney at alcidonislaw.com  Wed May 29 18:04:19 2013
From: attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esq.)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 14:04:19 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Asked to demonstrate computer skills,
	0 of 9 law firms passed in-house hiring test, ABA Journal,
	May 23 2013
In-Reply-To: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7EDA5BE3BB31B@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
References: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE162341DDB1D8205F@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov>
	<E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7EDA5BE3BB31B@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>
Message-ID: <29BEAF4A38B34BECBAF519771673FE60@Workstation>

These same folks would not want to hire a blind atty when one like myself 
can program their practice management software to reduce on consultant fees, 
and possibly teach them Microsoft office, and win cases on top of that. I 
think most on this listserv would actually pass that test.

Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nightingale, Noel
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:52 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Asked to demonstrate computer skills, 0 of 9 law firms 
passed in-house hiring test, ABA Journal, May 23 2013

Blind Law listers:

I thought this brief article was interesting and a lesson for me to keep up 
my computer skills, which we often discuss on this list.

Noel

Link:
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/in-house_lawyer_tests_biglaw_firms_for_computer_skills_before_hiring_them/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email

Text:
Asked to demonstrate computer skills, 0 of 9 law firms passed in-house 
hiring test
Posted May 23, 2013
By Martha Neil

Frustrated by big bills for routine matters, D. Casey Flaherty, who serves 
corporate counsel at Kia Motors America, struck back with a computer skills 
test for potential law firm hires.

Invited to submit an associate of their choice for testing, the first nine 
firms flunked, Flaherty, a keynote speaker, told a large group attending the 
LegalTech West Coast conference in Los Angeles this week. One firm, he said, 
flunked twice, Law Technology News reports.

Not all of those first nine firms were BigLaw firms, Flaherty told the ABA 
Journal. "Most were. But not all. And, indeed, the smallest of the firms 
also was, by far, the best."

The issue is time, Flaherty explained in his talk on "Raising the Bar on 
Technological Competence-the Outside Counsel Tech Audit." Multiply a 
Microsoft Word or Excel task that should take seconds by minutes, especially 
if it is performed again and again, and it can add up to a significant 
amount of money at law firms' billable rates.

"The audit should take one hour," he said, "but the average pace is five 
hours."

Examples of tasks associates had trouble completing swiftly, because they 
obviously aren't being trained on such skills, included providing PDF 
documents for court submissions and getting documents Bates-numbered.

Although Flaherty conducted the skills audit for the nine law firms himself, 
he is working with an outside training firm to automate the skills audit. He 
then plans to provide it at no cost to general counsel at other companies.

An earlier Law Technology News video and two articles (Law Technology News, 
Jan. 24, 2013. and Law Technology News, Jan. 25, 2013) provide further 
details.

Updated May 24 to include clarifications from Flaherty.
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 29 19:06:55 2013
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:06:55 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility
In-Reply-To: <004501ce5c86$3e257ba0$ba7072e0$@labarrelaw.com>
References: <7EDB8C6F-0C15-485D-98B8-133EFF3EEEC3@eisgraualliances.com><E7FDEDBC-9313-4A26-B678-BDA6E70D002D@eisgraualliances.com>	<006401ce5c72$865de290$9319a7b0$@labarrelaw.com>
	<CB6D82F2BA6D4F9F8A5BE4949F77BE1D@Spike>
	<004501ce5c86$3e257ba0$ba7072e0$@labarrelaw.com>
Message-ID: <FC25B9EBDC25460A812DC07F53EF4121@Spike>

I totally agree with you. Many sites seem to go overboard when it comes to 
use of captchas. The 508 standards are minimal when it comes to compliance 
with web accessibility and many Federal government web sites leave much to 
be desired.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
To: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>; "'Blind Law Mailing List'" 
<blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility


Chuck, you are correct.  The audio challenge comes when you establish an 
account, a mandatory step prior to  being able to to sign.  It is also true 
that one can take a bunch of extra steps and figure out a way to  defeat the 
challenge.  However, the point is that we shouldn't have to take so many 
extra steps to accomplish the same goal the a sighted person can achieve in 
one step in a situation like this where it is entirely possible to make the 
site completely accessible.  On our NFB site, we do petitions quite 
frequently and our process does not require a blind person to seek 
assistance or go through extraneous steps to complete the petition signing. 
We verify that the person wishing to sign the petition is a real person by 
sending them and email and asking them to send a confirming reply message. 
The Whitehouse alleges that they are fully compliant with 508 but the core 
concept behind 508 is that we are able to  use information technology on the 
same terms with the non-disabled.  The Whitehouse site along with the vast 
majority of other federal sites fall far short from this goal.

Finally, I ask everyone to go to our website and to the Whitehouse site to 
sign the petitions as best you can.  I know that ours will work just fine 
and perhaps you will find a way to mash through the audio challenge.



Whitehouse Petition:  http://wh.gov/hcED

NFB Petition:
https://nfb.org/civicrm/petition/sign?sid=2&reset=1

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:41 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility

I have had an active account on the White House site for quite some time and 
I have had no problems signing many petitions there. I think that the only 
time I may have been confronted with a captcha was when establishing the 
account but as I recall it was solved with WebVisum. The layout of the web 
site however leaves much to be desired as it is repetitive and poorly 
organized with everything being displayed on every page.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
To: <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:43 AM
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility


> It is incredibly ironic that when we attempt to petition our
> government which is suppose to be a leader in accessiblity, we face such 
> an obstacle.
> When I signed the petition, I attempted to use the so-called audio
> challenge and it sounds like R2D2 on LSD speaking through a mouth full
> of cotton.  It is impossible to decipher the code you are suppose to type 
> in.
> I had to have someone who could see the screen read the code to me.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Scott
>
> From: Adam Eisgrau [mailto:adam at eisgraualliances.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:19 PM
> To: Fredric Schroeder; John Pare; Chris Danielsen; Jesse Hartle; Scott C.
> LaBarre; mbrunson at acb.org; Gigi B. Sohn; Bartees Cox; Sean Meloy; Jon
> Band; Carrie Russell; prue at arl.org; Jamie Love; Manon Ress; Jim
> Fruchterman; khinton at mercuryllc.com
> Subject: Politico Story re WH Petition Inaccessibility
>
>
>
> <http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html>
> http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html
>
> <http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/05/blind-advocates-blast-white-house-164914.html>
> Blind advocates blast White House
>
> By  <http://www.politico.com/reporters/DonovanSlack.html> DONOVAN SLACK |
>
>
> 5/28/13 6:37 PM EDT
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind is fuming mad over the White House
> web site, complaining that its members have been unable to sign an
> important online petition.
>
> The glitch, the group says, is in those often annoying tests that require
> users to type in a set of numbers and letters to prove they are human. On
> the White House web site, blind users can select an audio version of the
> test, but the audio is incomprehensible, according to federation spokesman
> Chris Danielsen.
>
> And if users want to send email notifying the White House about the
> problem, well, that also requires a computer-human test with garbled
> audio, too, he said.
>
> "We had asked people to sign the petition and we're getting these emails
> saying that people can't," Danielsen told POLITICO.
>
> "The Constitution allows all of us to petition our government for a
> redress of grievance. It says nothing about needing to be able to see in
> order to do so."
>
> The
> <https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/side-blind-over-obstructionist-companies-secure-treaty-blind-makes-books-accessible-globally/ZJtgcVph>
> petition calls for the Obama administration to support an international
> treaty making more books accessible to the blind. So far, some 6,100
> people have signed on since it was created May 23. But Danielsen said many
> more would have signed on had it not been for the web site issues. For an
> official White House response, it would need to reach 100,000 signatures
> before June 23. <x-apple-data-detectors://7>
>
> The White House says the web site is fully compliant with Section 508 of
> the Rehabilitation Act, which requires that federal web sites be
> accessible to people with disabilities, and it says it is looking into
> improving the site.
>
> In the meantime, the Federation of the Blind wants the signature
> requirement waived so the administration will respond to its petition.
> Danielsen said the federation had thought that the administration would
> support the international treaty, which is being brokered in Morocco next
> month, but there has been a barrage of lobbying by some big business
> groups against the treaty and so the federation wants to make sure the
> White House still supports it.
>
> "The administration has seemed supportive of it in the past, but lately
> the administration doesn’t seem to be commenting on it publicly," he said.
> "We're concerned that all of this intense lobbying is getting to this
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed May 29 19:36:53 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:36:53 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Dept. of Justice settlement agreement on bus transit
Message-ID: <A3A62144D24F4F349D18C8D5CC891E16@mycomputer>

Just in case you practice in the ADA field regarding transit matters, this
one might be of interest to you in your practice.
The whole story for  it is on the ADA.gov web site.
**Teaser:
The Justice Department announced today that it has reached a settlement with
DeCamp Bus Lines, a New Jersey transportation company, to ensure that bus
transportation is provided on equal terms to people with disabilities.  The
U.S. Department of Justice determined that DeCamp Bus Lines violated the
Americans with Disabilities Act by requiring that passengers with
disabilities provide 48 hours of advance notice to secure a
wheelchair-accessible bus, even though passengers without disabilities did
not have to provide any advance notice.  The settlement agreement requires
DeCamp to comply with all ADA requirements for accessible service, and not
exclude persons with disabilities from its transportation services.





From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed May 29 19:47:32 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:47:32 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Decamp Bus Lines Settlement agreement
Message-ID: <C5E99FF88DF34EA4AA54E805A70EAFA7@mycomputer>

The settlement agreement in my previous post is pasted below together with
the url to get to it directly if you wish to do so.
Ross Doerr


http://www.ada.gov/decamp-bus-lines/decamp-busline.htm

SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT
BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
AND 
DECAMP BUS LINES 

BACKGROUND
The parties to this Settlement Agreement are the United States of America
and DeCamp Bus Lines. 
This matter was initiated by a compliance review conducted on March 27,
2013, of DeCamp Bus Lines, located in Montclair, New Jersey. The Department
of Justice conducted this review under the authority granted by title III of
the Americans with Disabilities Act (“ADA”), 42 U.S.C. § 12188. 
The parties agree that it is in their best interests, and the United States
believes that it is in the public interest, to resolve this dispute without
engaging in protracted litigation. The parties have therefore voluntarily
entered into this Agreement, as follows: 
TITLE III COVERAGE AND FINDINGS
The Attorney General is responsible for enforcing title III of the ADA, 42
U.S.C. §§12181-12189, and the relevant regulations implementing title III,
28 C.F.R. pt. 36 and 49 C.F.R. pts. 37 and 38. 
DeCamp Bus Lines is a New Jersey corporation with its principal place of
business at 101 Greenwood Avenue, Montclair, New Jersey, 07042. 
DeCamp Bus Lines is a large, fixed-route operator within the meaning of 42
U.S.C. § 12181(4); an over-the-road bus (“OTRB”) operator within the meaning
of 42 U.S.C. §12181(5) and 49 C.F.R. § 37.3; and a Class I motor carrier
within the meaning of 49 C.F.R. § 369.3. DeCamp Bus Lines is a private
operator of fixed-route transportation service that is engaged in the
business of transporting people and whose operations affect commerce within
the meaning of 42 U.S.C. § 12184(a) and 49 C.F.R. §§ 37.3 and 37.5(f). 
Since October 29, 2012, the fleets of all large, fixed-route OTRB systems
must be 100 percent readily accessible to and usable by individuals with
disabilities, including individuals who use wheelchairs. 42 U.S.C. §
12184(b)(4)(A); 49 C.F.R. §37.185. Once 100 percent of a fixed-route OTRB
operator’s fleet is accessible, the operator may no longer require up to 48
hours’ advance notice to provide accessible service. 49 C.F.R. § 37.193. 
At the time of the Justice Department’s March 27, 2013, compliance review,
DeCamp Bus Lines’ fixed-route OTRB fleet was 100 percent accessible.
Nevertheless, DeCamp Bus Lines had a statement on its website and on its bus
line schedules requiring 48 hours’ advance notice to secure an accessible
bus. DeCamp Bus Lines staff had also verbally communicated to passengers
with disabilities that they should call 48 hours in advance to reserve an
accessible bus trip. 

ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN BY DECAMP BUS LINES
DeCamp Bus Lines shall not exclude persons with disabilities from
participation in, or deny them benefits of, transportation services in
violation of title III of the ADA, 42 U.S.C. § 12184, 28 C.F.R. pt. 36 and
49 C.F.R. pts. 37 and 38. DeCamp Bus Lines shall comply with all of its
obligations under title III of the ADA, 42 U.S.C. § 12184, 28 C.F.R. pt. 36
and 49 C.F.R. pts. 37 and 38. 
DeCamp Bus Lines shall not require passengers with disabilities to provide
advance notice to secure an accessible bus and shall not deny any passenger
with a disability an accessible bus when the passenger does not provide
advance notice. DeCamp Bus Lines’ employees and contractors shall not
verbally communicate to passengers with disabilities that they are required
to provide advance notice to secure an accessible bus. 
Within 30 days of the effective date of this Agreement, DeCamp Bus Lines
shall remove from all places on its website, at http://www.decamp.com/, any
language requiring that a passenger with a disability provide advance notice
to secure an accessible bus. DeCamp Bus Lines will notify the United States
when it has completed this action. 
Within 60 days of the effective date of this Agreement, DeCamp Bus Lines
shall no longer post, distribute, or publish any bus schedules, postings,
signs, or any other written material that states that a passenger with a
disability is required to provide advance notice to secure accessible
transportation. DeCamp Bus Lines will provide copies to the United States of
any revised materials it wishes to publish in advance of publishing them. 
Within 30 days of the effective date of this Agreement, and every year
thereafter for the duration of this Agreement, DeCamp Bus Lines shall train
all employees and contractors (including reservations, dispatchers,
mechanics, and bus operators) on the ADA requirements for large, fixed-route
OTRB operators and the requirements of this Agreement. DeCamp Bus Lines
shall also provide the same training and notification to employees and
contractors within 30 days of hiring. 
IMPLEMENTATION
In consideration for entering this Agreement, the United States will refrain
from undertaking further action relating to this investigation or from
filing a civil action alleging discrimination based on the allegations set
forth above, except as provided in paragraph 15 below. 
The United States may review compliance with this Agreement or title III of
the ADA at any time. If the United States believes that this Agreement or
any portion of it has been violated, it may institute a civil action in the
appropriate U.S. District Court to enforce this Agreement or title III of
the ADA. 
Failure by the United States to enforce any provisions in this Agreement
shall not be construed as a waiver of the United States’ right to do so with
regard to other provisions of this Agreement. 
This Agreement shall be binding on DeCamp Bus Lines, including all
principals, agents, executors, administrators, representatives, employees,
successors in interest, beneficiaries and assigns. In the event that DeCamp
Bus Lines seeks to sell, transfer, or assign all or part of its interest
during the term of this Agreement, as a condition of sale, transfer, or
assignment, DeCamp Bus Lines shall obtain the written accession of the
successor or assignee to any obligation remaining under this Agreement for
the remaining term of this Agreement. 
The signatory for DeCamp Bus Lines represents that he or she is authorized
to bind that party to this Agreement. 
This Agreement constitutes the entire agreement between the United States
and DeCamp Bus Lines on the matters raised herein and no other statement,
promise or agreement, either written or oral, made by any party or agents of
any party, that is not contained in this written agreement, including its
attachments, shall be enforceable. This Agreement can only be modified or
amended by mutual written agreement of the parties. 
This Agreement is not intended to remedy any other potential violations of
the ADA or any other law that is not specifically addressed in this
Agreement. Nothing in this Agreement changes DeCamp Bus Lines’ obligation to
otherwise comply with the requirements of the ADA. 
EFFECTIVE DATE/TERMINATION DATE
The effective date of this Agreement is the date of the last signature
below. 
The duration of this Agreement will be three years from the effective date. 
AGREED AND CONSENTED TO: 

DECAMP BUS LINES 

/s/ Gary P. Pard 
GARY P. PARD
President 
101 Greenwood Avenue 
Montclair, New Jersey 07042
(973) 783-7500

 

5-22-13
Date
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

THOMAS E. PEREZ
Assistant Attorney General
EVE L. HILL
Senior Counselor to the Assistant Attorney General
Civil Rights Division

REBECCA B. BOND, Chief
KATHLEEN P. WOLFE, Special Litigation Counsel
ALBERTO RUISANCHEZ, Deputy Chief

 

/s/ David W. Knight
DAVID W. KNIGHT, Trial Attorney
Disability Rights Section
Civil Rights Division
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
(202) 307-0663

PAUL J. FISHMAN 
United States Attorney
MICHAEL E. CAMPION
Assistant United States Attorney
United States Attorney’s Office
District of New Jersey
970 Broad Street, Suite 700
Newark, New Jersey 07102

5/29/2013
Date
 




From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Wed May 29 20:20:58 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 16:20:58 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Journal article that bears note
Message-ID: <05FE8315300C454091D9BAFA85D91389@mycomputer>

The article below was lifted in whole from the New Hampshire Bar journal.
I would repeat to you what was pointed out to me by a colleague who herself
is an attorney with a disability - she noted that when an attorney has a
disability it isn't at all uncommon for such an attorney to spend a
significant portion of their "productive years" seeking employment in leu of
building a nestegg. So, this article begs an ethical quandry for the bar
association of all states - thos who find themselves at or near retirement
age may not have the option to retire in any realistic financial sense.
 On one hand, retirement age is being pushed back to later years. On another
hand the bar is shrinking. On yet another hand those who are ready, willing
and able to work cannot find employment. And on yet another hand the cost of
being retired is out of control (in spite of what Washington may say).
I for one have spent my entire legal career in the nonprofit field of
disability law. It has been very rewarding and I feel that I helped those
who truly needed legal assistance.  
Having said that, one must note some harsh reality. I have never been able
to get into either a private firm or a government office. Nonprofit work
simply does not pay as well as private or governmental work does, and that
includes the benefits package with that all important health care coverage
component for retirement. Most nonprofit offices tend to have "bikini
benefits" (barely there) for their employees. I have lost count of how many
times I heard it said at meetings that we are there on the side of the
angels, so that is why we don't get benefits like other law ofices do. One
office I worked in with 8 lawyers in it was repeatedly reminded that "we are
not a law office".
Right. Try that one in front of a professional conduct committee. 
So, whether you agree or disagree with others who echo what I've said
herein, I strongly suggest that you read through the below NH Bar Journal
article, because it will very probably be coming to a Bar Association near
you soon.
Ross A. Doerr Esq.
***
Bar News - April 19, 2013
The Gray Area: Aging Bar Brings Cognition Concerns
By: Kristen Senz
With nearly one-third of New Hampshire Bar members over 60 years old, the
aging of lawyers in the state is presenting both practical and psychological
challenges for all members of the Bar. 
NH Bar President Larry Vogelman talks about a program at the June 21 Annual
Meeting that will address the issue in his column. 
Examining the demographics of the membership and the issues raised by the
so-called "graying of the bar" is the goal of this Bar News series. 
The number of attorneys in New Hampshire at or close to retirement age is
growing rapidly. Meanwhile, the proportion of Bar members in their prime
working years of 41 to 50 has shrunk, and fewer young people are entering
the profession. 
The NH Bar membership is turning gray, a trend that is expected to continue
for the next 15 years, as Baby Boomers age, the job market slowly recovers
and the economy pushes retirement to later in life.
Since 1998, the total number of bar members age 61 and older has increased
22 percent, and the number of members between ages 41 and 50 has decreased
from 36 percent to 24 percent.
In addition to following national trends, this is a regional phenomenon. The
Northern New England states of Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire are all in
the top 10 states in the US with the highest median ages for the overall
population. This geographic concentration of older people, and older
lawyers, is largely due to a massive migration to Northern New England by
Baby Boomers in the 1990s.

*NH Bar membership data as of April 5, 2013.  
This aging of the bar presents a number of new challenges, including
concerns over a loss of institutional knowledge and experience. But some of
the most pressing issues involve older attorneys suffering from age-related
cognitive impairments that impact their ability to practice law.
In 2007, Supreme Court Rule 58 created the New Hampshire Lawyers Assistance
Program (LAPNH) to provide "confidential, meaningful assistance to lawyers,
judges, law students and their families in coping with alcoholism and other
addictions, depression, and other personal or professional crises."
Increasingly, those "other personal or professional crises" have come to
include situations in which colleagues and family members realize that a
practicing attorney has been practicing too long. 
LAPNH Executive Director Cecie Hartigan said with each passing year, she is
hearing about more situations involving aging issues. These types of calls
to LAPNH (877-224-6060) often result in "labor-intensive" crisis
interventions where she works with family members, colleagues and the
practicing attorney. It's usually unpleasant for everyone involved, but it's
important, to protect the interests of the public and the integrity and
reputation of the attorney, and in some cases, his or her firm. 
"The cases are very difficult," Hartigan said. "No one wants to be a lawyer
in the position of having to defend themselves." 
Concerns over health care confidentiality often make the process even more
complicated, Hartigan has found. 
"Getting family members involved is good, but that has to be done in the
confines of confidentiality," she said. "These are the intricacies of it
that experience teaches us. We're learning what roadblocks to expect and how
to preserve the interest of the public and the interests of the practicing
attorney." 
The complexity of weighing the public interest, the Rules of Professional
Conduct, personal relationships and an aging attorney's "reserve
functioning" - a term used to describe the ability to at times continue
high-level processing while overall cognitive abilities remain impaired -
creates a number of ethical quandaries for aging attorneys and their
colleagues. An article in the May issue of Bar News will address these
ethical issues in more depth. 
Hartigan says one approach to consider would be changing ethical rules to
make it easier for colleagues to report concerns about an attorney's
potential impairment without immediately bringing it into the disciplinary
process. Maine, among other states, recently took this step, she said. 

Dr. Doris Gundersen, a Colorado psychiatrist and member of the Colorado
Attorney Regulatory Committee, is scheduled to make a presentation during
the morning CLE session at the NH Bar Association Annual Meeting on June
21-22 in Portsmouth. She will also be part of a related panel discussion.
The session is designed to give attorneys practical tips for dealing with
the complicated and often emotional issues that arise as lawyers near the
end of their careers. 



From Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov  Thu May 30 17:19:51 2013
From: Gary.Norman at cms.hhs.gov (Norman, Gary C. (CMS/OSORA))
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 17:19:51 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: FW: URGENT: Book share Needs Your Help
Message-ID: <2DD3498A837A9347A4E5E536B3FF482D1F3A2825@pl-emsmb12>

Greetings:


Do find the below pasted missive.


Sincerely,
Gary C. Norman, eSq.



It's not typical for us to send you an email like this, but we felt this situation was so important it was necessary.

You may already be aware, but for years negotiations have been moving forward on what many have come to call the "Treaty for the Blind<http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/39440e0084/5cc6011cc1/8f3cf35b96>." The goal of the international treaty is to make it possible for people who are blind, or have other print disabilities such as dyslexia, to get access to the books they need for education, employment and inclusion in society-no matter where they live. It's something we already do, with great success, in the United States through Book share.

However, private interests are trying to alter the treaty in such a way that it would become useless-even harmful. For example, they're trying to get language adopted that basically says: "if you can buy it, you can't borrow it." This is not only an attack on people around the world with print disabilities-it's also an attack on libraries, like Book share, and could have a drastic effect on the number of books you have access to.

Our biggest worry is this becoming a treaty that could stop Book share from serving our users in the United States the way we do today.  We need our government negotiating for a treaty that supports a library like Bookshare.

That's why we're working with a coalition of disability and library groups, including the National Federation of the Blind and the American Council of the Blind, to fight back against the proposed changes by these private interests. We'll do everything we can to secure a treaty that both protects the access we have now and that will benefit people with print disabilities around the world-but we need your help.

We're asking you to take a moment to sign a petition on the White House's website that urges the President to step up his support: http://ow.ly/lkJVs<http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/39440e0084/5cc6011cc1/6809a11e5c>. If we can get to 100,000 signatures, the White House is required to respond to the petition and will, hopefully, take positive action. With your help we know we can reach that number.  We also recommend the petition<http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/39440e0084/5cc6011cc1/396073060e/sid=2&reset=1> at the National Federation of the Blind's site, which is particularly accessible.

Thank you for your time and support. Together, we believe that our collective voice can make a real impact.

If you're interested in more background on the treaty, here are some articles and resources you can review:

  *   Huffington Post piece by Jim on how the treaty is being poisoned by private interests: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-fruchterman/poisoning-the-treaty-for-_b_3225181.html<http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/39440e0084/5cc6011cc1/461f079d15>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu May 30 21:46:49 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 17:46:49 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] DRBA inquiry
Message-ID: <F5CF6CEA3F424437B0E5307FED17D0E1@mycomputer>

Is anyone on the list a current member of the DRBA?
IF so, could you please contact me off list at
rumpole at roadrunner.com
Thank you.
Ross 



From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu May 30 23:11:30 2013
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 18:11:30 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitz+wYdACybzDssM0jqJgipfOcLyDqwpHCn72BSR749m4FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitz+wYdACybzDssM0jqJgipfOcLyDqwpHCn72BSR749m4FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E771EAA0575B844C98712011AE73D7EDA5BE3BB6DE@EDUPTCEXMB03.ed.gov>

I absolutely use a reader to proofread my documents for formatting issues.  



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From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:26 PM
To: blindlaw
Subject: [blindlaw] Ensuring Formatting of Documents For Court?

Hi all,

What techniques do you use in order to ensure that the documents which
you produce are consistant in their formatting, before submitting to
courts or colleagues?

Ger

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From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 30 23:37:30 2013
From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 18:37:30 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] DRBA inquiry
In-Reply-To: <F5CF6CEA3F424437B0E5307FED17D0E1@mycomputer>
References: <F5CF6CEA3F424437B0E5307FED17D0E1@mycomputer>
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Ross:

You recently posted an ADA case where the Defendant was a city
transportation service in New Jersey.  Will you post the link to that case
again please.  Thanks.

Daniel McBride
Fort Worth

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IF so, could you please contact me off list at rumpole at roadrunner.com Thank
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Fri May 31 11:52:04 2013
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 07:52:04 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] DRBA inquiry
In-Reply-To: <004601ce5d8e$a7624ea0$f626ebe0$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <F5CF6CEA3F424437B0E5307FED17D0E1@mycomputer>
	<004601ce5d8e$a7624ea0$f626ebe0$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <346E28CDEF794D829903B21693AEB38B@mycomputer>

Hi Dan:
Here is one link to the story.
http://caldwells.patch.com/articles/us-justice-department-settles-with-decam
p-over-ada-violation-1cb000a7

 

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McBride
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:38 PM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] DRBA inquiry

Ross:

You recently posted an ADA case where the Defendant was a city
transportation service in New Jersey.  Will you post the link to that case
again please.  Thanks.

Daniel McBride
Fort Worth

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IF so, could you please contact me off list at rumpole at roadrunner.com Thank
you.
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3184/5869 - Release Date: 05/30/13