From laura.wolk at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 01:19:53 2014
From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:19:53 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] clerkships and firms
Message-ID: <CAHG6wD7xapAnj_22vRp-p-8iAqiFVU7LVbChHUVVx6e6mwOUFw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I would like to be connected with someone who has done a federal
clerkship and/or has worked at a midsize firm and does their work
primarily non-visually to the point where they can not read hard copy
print, magnified or otherwise.

Please contact me off list if you have experience in this area, or
know someone who does.

Thank you,
Laura


From dravant at ameritech.net  Wed Apr  2 16:18:44 2014
From: dravant at ameritech.net (denise avant)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 11:18:44 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Fwd: Call for Nominations for the 2014 Paul
	G. Hearne Award for Disability Rights!!
References: <286FD029-7E6C-4148-9E11-A325D3F59B14@gmail.com>
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Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Denise Avant <davant1958 at gmail.com>
> Date: April 2, 2014 at 11:17:13 AM CDT
> To: denise avant <dravant at ameritech.net>
> Subject: Fwd: Call for Nominations for the 2014 Paul G. Hearne Award for Disability Rights!!
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "ABA Commission on Disability Rights" <cdr at americanbar.org>
>> Date: April 2, 2014 at 8:06:00 AM CDT
>> To: davant1958 at GMAIL.COM
>> Subject: Call for Nominations for the 2014 Paul G. Hearne Award for Disability Rights!!
>> Reply-To: <cdr at americanbar.org>
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Call for Nominations --
>> 2014 Paul G. Hearne Award for Disability Rights
>> 
>> Do you know an outstanding advocate for persons with disabilities who has achieved professional excellence in his or her field?
>> 
>> The ABA Commission on Disability Rights is seeking nominations for the 2014 Paul G. Hearne Award for Disability Rights. This award will be presented at a reception during the 2014 ABA Annual Meeting Boston on Monday, August 11, 2014.
>> 
>> Submit your nomination
>> 
>> The deadline to submit the nomination form and supporting materials is the close of business on Friday, June 6, 2014.
>> 
>> If you have nominated someone previously and want to nominate them again for 2014, please (1) submit the nomination form and (2) contact Michael Stratton at 202-662-1571 or Michael.Stratton at americanbar.org.
>> 
>> For more information, please click on the links below:
>> 
>> About the Award
>> 
>> Nomination Form
>> 
>> View the list of distinguished award recipients
>> 
>> If you have further questions, please contact Michael Stratton at 202-662-1571 or via email at Michael.Stratton at americanbar.org.
>> 
>> Thank You!
>> 
>> ABA Commission on Disability Rights
>> 
>> 
>> Call for Nominations for the 2014 Paul G. Hearne Award for Disability Rights 
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From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Thu Apr  3 15:19:44 2014
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 17:19:44 +0200
Subject: [blindlaw] New member introduction
Message-ID: <CAOQ972_Rjgcowt6rUrTbR5NmHE+G0CBvquTVxU7Oj9U+x3DqUA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I just joined this list so thought to say hi to all members. My name
is Adrijana and I am a lady of 35 from Macedonia. I am blind myself
and work as a teacher of English in a school for blind children. I
enjoy my work and thought email lists would be a great way to make
friends with people from other places, so if you would like to
communicate with me or know someone who would, please email me at:
adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com

Adrijana


From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com  Thu Apr  3 15:21:31 2014
From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 17:21:31 +0200
Subject: [blindlaw] Magazine for blind penpals
Message-ID: <CAOQ972_ARQUqv48nLdcUmH6v6YQ95zxis+7mRRiVnEGOGKQ3UA@mail.gmail.com>

Don't , mean to go off topic here, but thought to let you know of my
magazine for blind penpals and others who would like to communicate
with us. It is a free electronic weekly magazine consisting of penpal
ads of members wanting to make friends by email and other social
media. If you would like to subscribe, please email me at:
adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com
Feel free to spread this info elsewhere too.

Adrijana


From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Apr  7 15:48:22 2014
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 10:48:22 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Opening: DOJ Experienced Attorney - U.S. Attorney's
 Office - Idaho (Boise)
In-Reply-To: <98FD9E295B75F04DA194CE1F76363F2A251458@DPRC-EXCH-P05.JCONMAIL.doj.gov>
References: <98FD9E295B75F04DA194CE1F76363F2A251458@DPRC-EXCH-P05.JCONMAIL.doj.gov>
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From: Parker, Richard L. (OAAG) [mailto:Richard.L.Parker2 at usdoj.gov]
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 8:09 AM
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Subject: Opening: DOJ Experienced Attorney - U.S. Attorney's Office - Idaho (Boise)

I would like to share with you and ask you to disseminate the following vacancy announcement. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Idaho is seeking an experienced attorney to fill an opening for an Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA) in the Civil Division.
Justice seeks to attract, retain, and promote individuals of exceptional ability and talent from all walks of life. The work environment and atmosphere is open, diverse, collegial, and inclusive. There are active affinity groups for African-American; Asian-American; Hispanic; lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT); and Native American employees, which are open to all DOJ employees regardless of background. Justice fosters a work environment where people of all backgrounds and experiences may reach their full potential.
Thank you for your help in disseminating this vacancy announcement.  This and other attorney vacancy announcements can be found at: http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/attvacancies.html.
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY
UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE

DISTRICT OF IDAHO

14-ID-AUSA-01
About the Office: With a state population of 1.5 million, 33.7 million acres of federally-owned land, and more miles of river than any other state, the District of Idaho presents outstanding opportunities for recreation and cultural experience. It also has very interesting federal litigation. One district covers the entire state. The U.S. Attorney's Office is large enough to enjoy a wide variety of case assignments, but small enough to be friendly. Five civil attorneys, eighteen criminal attorneys, and twenty-four support staff are spread among three offices: the main office, in Boise, and the two branch offices in Coeur d'Alene and Pocatello. This vacancy is located in the main office in Boise, Idaho. Boise is located in the Treasure Valley, in which 40% of Idaho's population resides. Winters are relatively mild, though plenty of snow falls in the nearby mountains. Median home prices are low, schools are excellent, and outstanding opportunities for recreation exist. AUSAs regularly run on the greenbelt, swim, and mountain bike over their lunch hours.
Responsibilities and Opportunity Offered: The District has an opening for an Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA) in the Civil Division. This attorney will represent the United States in bankruptcy cases, will handle civil and criminal collection and restitution cases for the Financial Litigation Unit, and will handle a wide variety of other civil cases and matters. These may include: defensive torts and Bivens cases, affirmative fraud cases, affirmative civil rights matters, any appeals that may arise, etc.
Qualifications: Required Qualifications: Applicants must possess a J.D. degree, be an active member of the bar (any U.S. jurisdiction), and have at least 1 year post-J.D. legal or other relevant experience.
Preferred Qualifications: Ideally, an applicant will have three to six years of experience as a civil litigator. Applicants should be flexible and willing to learn new areas of the law, strategic when it comes to engaging in defensive litigation, forthright and diplomatic in dealing with client agencies and the court, and committed to representing the United States. Applicants must demonstrate superior written and oral communication skills. They must be able to define and articulate critical issues in a wide variety of cases and areas of law. They must be able to manage a caseload composed of very different kinds of cases with correspondingly different demands and deadlines.
Applicants must be self-starters and good managers of their time. They must be willing and able to do their own legal research and writing and be substantially self-sufficient in managing cases and deadlines, preparing day-to-day correspondence and filings, and using computer programs and systems (CM/ECF, word processing, Westlaw, Lexis/Nexis, USA5, E2Travel, etc.). Finally, applicants must have a demonstrated ability to work well with others, from support to supervisors.
The ideal candidate will have some subject matter expertise in one or more of the following areas: bankruptcy, commercial litigation, finance, and collections. The candidate must also be interested in learning new areas of law, and continuing to do so throughout his or her career.
United States citizenship is required.
Travel: Occasional travel may be required, both within and outside the District of Idaho.
Type of Position: All initial attorney appointments to the Department of Justice are made on a 14 month (temporary) basis pending favorable adjudication of a background investigation.
Salary Information: Assistant United States Attorneys' pay is administratively determined based, in part, on the number years of professional attorney experience. The range of basic pay is $45,027 to $132,849 plus locality pay where authorized (locality pay in Boise, Idaho is currently 14.16%).
Location: Boise, Idaho
Relocation Expenses: Relocation expenses will not be paid.
Application Process and Deadline Date: Interested persons should send an original, signed cover letter; detailed resume; writing sample (ideally, the sample will be edited solely by applicant, be at least 7 pages in length, and contain substantive legal analysis); and current performance evaluation/rating.
Applications must be received by April 17, 2014.
Please send your resume to:
Wendy J. Olson, United States Attorney
Attn: Becky Early
United States Attorney's Office
District of Idaho
800 Park Blvd., Ste. 600
Boise, ID 83712
No telephone calls please.
Security Requirements: Initial appointment is conditioned upon a satisfactory preemployment adjudication. This includes fingerprint, credit and tax checks, and drug testing. In addition, continued employment is subject to a favorable adjudication of a background investigation.
Internet Sites: http://www.justice.gov/usao/id/index.html
This and other attorney vacancy announcements can be found at: http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/attvacancies.html
Department Policies: Assistant United States Attorneys generally must reside in the district to which he or she is appointed or within 25 miles thereof. See 28 U.S.C. § 545 for district-specific information.
The U.S. Department of Justice is an Equal Opportunity/Reasonable Accommodation Employer. Except where otherwise provided by law, there will be no discrimination because of color, race, religion, national origin, political affiliation, marital status, disability (physical or mental), age, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, genetic information, status as a parent, membership or non-membership in an employee organization, on the basis of personal favoritism, or any non merit factor. The Department of Justice welcomes and encourages applications from persons with physical and mental disabilities. The Department is firmly committed to satisfying its affirmative obligations under the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, to ensure that persons with disabilities have every opportunity to be hired and advanced on the basis of merit within the Department of Justice. This agency provides reasonable accommodation to applicants with disabilities where appropriate. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please notify the agency. Determinations on requests for reasonable accommodation will be made on a case-by-case basis.
It is the policy of the Department to achieve a drug-free workplace and persons selected for employment will be required to pass a drug test which screens for illegal drug use prior to final appointment. Employment is also contingent upon the completion and satisfactory adjudication of a background investigation. Only U.S. citizens are eligible for employment with the Executive Office for Immigration Review and the United States Attorneys’ Offices. Unless otherwise indicated in a particular job advertisement, non-U.S. citizens may apply for employment with other organizations, but should be advised that appointments of non-U.S. citizens are extremely rare; such appointments would be possible only if necessary to accomplish the Department's mission and would be subject to strict security requirements. Applicants who hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and another country will be considered on a case-by-case basis.
There is no formal rating system for applying veterans' preference to attorney appointments in the excepted service; however, the Department of Justice considers veterans' preference eligibility as a positive factor in attorney hiring. Applicants eligible for veterans' preference must include that information in their cover letter or resume and attach supporting documentation (e.g., the DD 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty and other supporting documentation) to their submissions. Although the "point" system is not used, per se, applicants eligible to claim 10-point preference must submit Standard Form (SF) 15, Application for 10-Point Veteran Preference, and submit the supporting documentation required for the specific type of preference claimed (visit the OPM website, www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/SF15.pdf<http://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/SF15.pdf> for a copy of SF 15, which lists the types of 10-point preferences and the required supporting document(s). Applicants should note that SF 15 requires supporting documentation associated with service-connected disabilities or receipt of nonservice-connected disability pensions to be dated 1991 or later except in the case of service members submitting official statements or retirement orders from a branch of the Armed Forces showing that his or her retirement was due to a permanent service-connected disability or that he/she was transferred to the permanent disability retired list (the statement or retirement orders must indicate that the disability is 10% or more).
***
The Department of Justice cannot control further dissemination and/or posting of information contained in this vacancy announcement. Such posting and/or dissemination is not an endorsement by the Department of the organization or group disseminating and/or posting the information.



From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Apr  7 22:10:38 2014
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 17:10:38 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: U.S. Access Board Vacancy Announcement: General
	Counsel
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References: <16803894.5712@service.govdelivery.com>
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Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 2:19 PM
To: Nightingale, Noel
Subject: U.S. Access Board Vacancy Announcement: General Counsel

U.S. Access Board Vacancy Announcement:  General Counsel
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Apr  8 15:27:17 2014
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 10:27:17 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Job Opening-ACLU Paralegal- Please Post and Forward
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From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 7:50 AM
To: jobs at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Jobs] FW: Job Opening-ACLU Paralegal- Please Post and Forward



From: hrintern [mailto:hrintern at aclu.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 10:43 AM
To: Maurer, Patricia
Subject: Job Opening-ACLU Paralegal- Please Post and Forward


April 8, 2014

CAREER OPPORTUNITY
Paralegal [LGLF-26]
American Civil Liberties Union Foundation
Racial Justice Program, NY



For more than 93 years, the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation (ACLU) has been at the forefront of virtually every major battle for civil liberties and equal justice in this country. Principled and nonpartisan, the ACLU has offices in all 50 states, Washington, DC and Puerto Rico, and brings together the country’s largest team of public interest lawyers, lobbyists, communication strategists, members and activists in the advancement of equality, fairness, and freedom, especially for the most vulnerable in our society.



The Racial Justice Program of the ACLU’s National Office in New York City seeks applications for a full-time Paralegal.



OVERVIEW



The Racial Justice Program (RJP) attorneys and staff work on a broad range of racial justice issues, particularly in the areas of criminal justice and education. In the area of criminal justice, the program is dedicated to reducing the unwarranted and disproportionate targeting and incarceration of people of color.  In the area of education, it seeks to ensure that all children have access to quality education, regardless of race or ethnicity. Specifically, RJP has filed civil challenges relating to the inadequate provision of indigent criminal and juvenile defense, racial profiling and disparate educational opportunities.  The program has also advocated against the racially disproportionate imposition of incarceration and school discipline among people of color as well as economic policies which have a disproportionate impact on communities of color.



The Paralegal will be an integral part of the RJP team, will attend regular staff meetings and will have the opportunity to learn about strategies for protecting the rights of communities of color.



ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES:

·  Respond to requests for legal assistance and other inquiries in a timely manner. Utilize and maintain the intake database to respond to requests.

·  Cite, check, edit, format, produce and serve litigation documents, including briefs, memoranda and correspondence.

·  Draft, edit and prepare affidavits, legal documents and deposition summaries for use by attorneys; review and organize documents and maintain document file.

·  Conduct internet and other factual research and collaborate with attorneys in preparing background memoranda on selected policy issues.

·  Collect and analyze statistical and social science data for use in litigation and policy presentations.

·  Provide support to attorneys with client and witness interviews.

·  Supervise the work of legal administrative assistants and interns.

·  Conduct trainings and participate in the performance review process for legal administrative assistants.

·  Assist in the development and maintenance of RJP websites and other public information outlets.

·  Serve as liaison with clients, co-counsel and partner organizations.

·  Perform special projects and other duties as assigned by the Director and staff attorneys.



QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE

·  A Bachelor’s degree is required; one year of paralegal or related experience is preferred.

·  Demonstrated interest in racial justice is preferred.

·  Excellent writing and research skills, including internet research.

·  Must take initiative, be highly organized, detail oriented and possess strong interpersonal and time-management skills.

·  Able to multi-task, demonstrate grace under pressure and meet deadlines.

·  Ability to work independently as well as within a team. Proficiency in Microsoft Office Suite (i.e. Word, Excel, Outlook, etc.) and experience with internet research is required.

·  Experience with Westlaw strongly preferred.

·  Experience with the creation and maintenance of websites, as well as the layout and posting of content is strongly preferred.

·  Experience creating tables of contents, tables of authorities, mail merges, and creating/inserting macros.

·  Experience supervising staff and interns.

·  Willingness to travel.

·  Demonstrated commitment to the ACLU’s mission to defend civil rights and civil liberties.

COMPENSATION

The ACLU offers a generous and comprehensive compensation and benefits package, commensurate with experience and within parameters of the ACLU compensation scale.


HOW TO APPLY

Applicants should send a cover letter (with salary requirements), resume, a non-fiction writing sample no more than five pages in length and the names of two (2) references to hrjobsRJP at aclu.org<mailto:hrjobsRJP at aclu.org>. Reference [LGLF-26/INCL 35] in the subject line. Please note that this is not the general ACLU applicant email address. This email address is specific to the Racial Justice Program.  In order to ensure your application is received, please make certain it is sent to the correct e-mail address. You can expect to receive an automatic response that acknowledges the submission of application materials.

Alternatively applications can be mailed to:

Human Resources
American Civil Liberties Union
RE: [LGLF-26/INCL 35]
125 Broad Street, 18th Floor
New York, NY 10004

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From amarjain at amarjain.com  Wed Apr  9 06:40:21 2014
From: amarjain at amarjain.com (Amar Jain)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 12:10:21 +0530
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
	strategies?
Message-ID: <23153438ba4f4f0033ed3b179338f438.squirrel@amarjain.com>

Dear List Members,

One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes
during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.

One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
efficient way to do it within the short span of time.

What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same? My
typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which we
go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop along with
headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more challenging when
you have phone in one ear and headphone in other ear. And of course
portability is another aspect of it.

So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw
light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well equipped
with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good manufacturers of
notetaker devices?

Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I can
think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and smart phone.
How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?

I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then
transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.

Thanks,
-- 
Amar Jain.
Website: www.amarjain.com




From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Wed Apr  9 14:15:29 2014
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 07:15:29 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
	/	strategies?
In-Reply-To: <23153438ba4f4f0033ed3b179338f438.squirrel@amarjain.com>
References: <23153438ba4f4f0033ed3b179338f438.squirrel@amarjain.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cf53fe$2a56bd80$7f043880$@earthlink.net>

Hello:

     I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a notetaker
with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I turned speech off
and use the braille display. The U2 can provide files in various formats and
when you want your notes on a PC, the files can  be transferred.
See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.

Regards,

Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

Dear List Members,

One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes during
meetings or on calls whether internal or external.

One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
efficient way to do it within the short span of time.

What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same? My
typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which we go,
so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop along with
headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more challenging when you
have phone in one ear and headphone in other ear. And of course portability
is another aspect of it.

So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw light
on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well equipped with
the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good manufacturers of notetaker
devices?

Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I can think
of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and smart phone.
How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and Bluetooth
Keyboard when used together?

I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then transcribing
the same into text. As that is time consuming.
Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.

Thanks,
--
Amar Jain.
Website: www.amarjain.com



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From taiablas at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 14:57:08 2014
From: taiablas at gmail.com (Tai Blas)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 09:57:08 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
	strategies?
In-Reply-To: <23153438ba4f4f0033ed3b179338f438.squirrel@amarjain.com>
References: <23153438ba4f4f0033ed3b179338f438.squirrel@amarjain.com>
Message-ID: <D27275AD-38DB-4E2C-AD42-14DD5E315A21@gmail.com>

I use the BrailleSense U2 Mini and love it. It has an 18 cell brow display and is highly portable, fitting  in a jacket pocket.

Tai Tomasi
J.D. Candidate, class of 2014
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On Apr 9, 2014, at 1:40 AM, "Amar Jain" <amarjain at amarjain.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear List Members,
> 
> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes
> during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
> 
> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
> 
> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same? My
> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which we
> go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop along with
> headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more challenging when
> you have phone in one ear and headphone in other ear. And of course
> portability is another aspect of it.
> 
> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw
> light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well equipped
> with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good manufacturers of
> notetaker devices?
> 
> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I can
> think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and smart phone.
> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
> Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
> 
> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then
> transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Amar Jain.
> Website: www.amarjain.com
> 
> 
> 
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 14:57:25 2014
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 15:57:25 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
	strategies?
In-Reply-To: <002e01cf53fe$2a56bd80$7f043880$@earthlink.net>
References: <23153438ba4f4f0033ed3b179338f438.squirrel@amarjain.com>
	<002e01cf53fe$2a56bd80$7f043880$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAGZitz+-mwgDmDbXgM6pKqVoV8+kpguj-pv-O_u5L5DtZtTaEw@mail.gmail.com>

I use a laptop. The only issue is battery life at times.

On 4/9/14, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hello:
>
>      I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a
> notetaker
> with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I turned speech off
> and use the braille display. The U2 can provide files in various formats
> and
> when you want your notes on a PC, the files can  be transferred.
> See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amar Jain
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
> strategies?
>
> Dear List Members,
>
> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes
> during
> meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>
> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>
> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same? My
> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which we go,
> so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop along with
> headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more challenging when
> you
> have phone in one ear and headphone in other ear. And of course portability
> is another aspect of it.
>
> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw light
> on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well equipped with
> the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good manufacturers of notetaker
> devices?
>
> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I can
> think
> of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and smart phone.
> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
> Bluetooth
> Keyboard when used together?
>
> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then transcribing
> the same into text. As that is time consuming.
> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Amar Jain.
> Website: www.amarjain.com
>
>
>
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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 15:12:54 2014
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 11:12:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
	strategies?
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitz+-mwgDmDbXgM6pKqVoV8+kpguj-pv-O_u5L5DtZtTaEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23153438ba4f4f0033ed3b179338f438.squirrel@amarjain.com>
	<002e01cf53fe$2a56bd80$7f043880$@earthlink.net>
	<CAGZitz+-mwgDmDbXgM6pKqVoV8+kpguj-pv-O_u5L5DtZtTaEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN4Q-EohDZkBhrGjEziU9vi5WMrZ2EZ2kAJr4caKBCeoVJY+_A@mail.gmail.com>

I've just recently started using a Perkins Mini, a sixteen-cell
braille display. This unit weighs about a pound. It doesn't quite have
the features of the Braille Sense U2 devices discussed by others, but
it meets my needs (and is less expensive). This machine does not have
speech output. You can use it as a braille display via bluetooth or
USB, but it also has several internal apps. The most useful of these
are the notetaker and the book reader. The machine uses MicroSDHC
cards and USB flash drives to store books and notes.

I sometimes use the Perkins Mini on its own to take notes in meetings.
I used it at a conference recently as a display for my iPhone. I used
AccessNote, the app released by the American Foundation for the Blind,
as the notetaker. I used a bluetooth keyboard for input because I
thought the keys on the Perkins Mini might be too noisy.

The Mini charges via USB, which means that ou can get one of those
external battery paks for smart phones and charge it that way.

I like being able to use the Mini with my iPhone, and I really like
the capability to take notes on the device itself.

Obviously, if you need speech, this won't work for you. But if you are
a braille user, the Mini is worth considering. I like not having to
use an earphone.

You can find more info at www.perkinsproducts.org.

On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> I use a laptop. The only issue is battery life at times.
>
> On 4/9/14, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>>      I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a
>> notetaker
>> with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I turned speech
>> off
>> and use the braille display. The U2 can provide files in various formats
>> and
>> when you want your notes on a PC, the files can  be transferred.
>> See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amar
>> Jain
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
>> strategies?
>>
>> Dear List Members,
>>
>> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes
>> during
>> meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>
>> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
>> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>
>> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same?
>> My
>> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which we
>> go,
>> so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop along with
>> headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more challenging when
>> you
>> have phone in one ear and headphone in other ear. And of course
>> portability
>> is another aspect of it.
>>
>> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw
>> light
>> on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well equipped with
>> the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good manufacturers of
>> notetaker
>> devices?
>>
>> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I can
>> think
>> of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and smart phone.
>> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
>> Bluetooth
>> Keyboard when used together?
>>
>> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then
>> transcribing
>> the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Amar Jain.
>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
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From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 19:52:06 2014
From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sy Hoekstra)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 15:52:06 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
	/	strategies?
In-Reply-To: <CAN4Q-EohDZkBhrGjEziU9vi5WMrZ2EZ2kAJr4caKBCeoVJY+_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23153438ba4f4f0033ed3b179338f438.squirrel@amarjain.com>	<002e01cf53fe$2a56bd80$7f043880$@earthlink.net>	<CAGZitz+-mwgDmDbXgM6pKqVoV8+kpguj-pv-O_u5L5DtZtTaEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN4Q-EohDZkBhrGjEziU9vi5WMrZ2EZ2kAJr4caKBCeoVJY+_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007001cf542d$30168f00$9043ad00$@gmail.com>

I am now using a Surface Pro 2 with Windows 8.1, JAWS, the type cover 2
keyboard, and Bluetooth headphones. It's a tablet, so it's light, incredibly
fast processing, and, you know, it's a full computer. Also, it boots up
ridiculously quickly, like faster than any computer I have ever seen.
Totally off to fully ready to run with jaws open is about 15 seconds. About
another 10 to sign in with your user name and have jaws open again and ready
to go. I've actually timed it.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
Matney
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:13 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

I've just recently started using a Perkins Mini, a sixteen-cell
braille display. This unit weighs about a pound. It doesn't quite have
the features of the Braille Sense U2 devices discussed by others, but
it meets my needs (and is less expensive). This machine does not have
speech output. You can use it as a braille display via bluetooth or
USB, but it also has several internal apps. The most useful of these
are the notetaker and the book reader. The machine uses MicroSDHC
cards and USB flash drives to store books and notes.

I sometimes use the Perkins Mini on its own to take notes in meetings.
I used it at a conference recently as a display for my iPhone. I used
AccessNote, the app released by the American Foundation for the Blind,
as the notetaker. I used a bluetooth keyboard for input because I
thought the keys on the Perkins Mini might be too noisy.

The Mini charges via USB, which means that ou can get one of those
external battery paks for smart phones and charge it that way.

I like being able to use the Mini with my iPhone, and I really like
the capability to take notes on the device itself.

Obviously, if you need speech, this won't work for you. But if you are
a braille user, the Mini is worth considering. I like not having to
use an earphone.

You can find more info at www.perkinsproducts.org.

On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> I use a laptop. The only issue is battery life at times.
>
> On 4/9/14, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>>      I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a
>> notetaker
>> with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I turned speech
>> off
>> and use the braille display. The U2 can provide files in various formats
>> and
>> when you want your notes on a PC, the files can  be transferred.
>> See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amar
>> Jain
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
>> strategies?
>>
>> Dear List Members,
>>
>> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes
>> during
>> meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>
>> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
>> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>
>> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same?
>> My
>> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which we
>> go,
>> so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop along with
>> headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more challenging when
>> you
>> have phone in one ear and headphone in other ear. And of course
>> portability
>> is another aspect of it.
>>
>> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw
>> light
>> on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well equipped with
>> the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good manufacturers of
>> notetaker
>> devices?
>>
>> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I can
>> think
>> of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and smart phone.
>> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
>> Bluetooth
>> Keyboard when used together?
>>
>> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then
>> transcribing
>> the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Amar Jain.
>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> blindlaw mailing list
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>> et
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Apr  9 21:04:03 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:04:03 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
 strategies?
In-Reply-To: <23153438ba4f4f0033ed3b179338f438.squirrel@amarjain.com>
References: <23153438ba4f4f0033ed3b179338f438.squirrel@amarjain.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000149466108@mailfront4.g2host.com>

In the old days we used to use a slate and stylus.  However, most 
people no longer consider this a viable option, and most people 
aren't taught soon enough, or well enough to make it so.

Dave

At 01:40 AM 4/9/2014, you wrote:
>Dear List Members,
>
>One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes
>during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>
>One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
>efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>
>What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same? My
>typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which we
>go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop along with
>headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more challenging when
>you have phone in one ear and headphone in other ear. And of course
>portability is another aspect of it.
>
>So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw
>light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well equipped
>with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good manufacturers of
>notetaker devices?
>
>Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I can
>think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and smart phone.
>How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
>Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>
>I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then
>transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Amar Jain.
>Website: www.amarjain.com



From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Wed Apr  9 21:14:12 2014
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 17:14:12 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
	strategies?
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I just use an ultra-portable laptop, such as the Lenovo carbon 1.  If you
are in standby mode, meaning you just closed the lid, your computer is ready
to go in 2 or 3 seconds.  Moreover, you can get a very small Bluetooth ear
peace for one ear, or a single earphone so you can hear what is going on in
the room.  The advantage is that you are using word, outlook and your
browser, so you have access to everything you need.  You can then just plug
the thing into a docking station, and use it as a desktop, with a regular
keyboard, speakers and etc.  The thing ways about three pounds, so it is
really easy to carry around.  You can even get it with a LTE card for
Verizon or whatever carrier you use.  You can get solid state storage up to
about 500 gb.



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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:04 PM
To: amarjain at amarjain.com; Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

In the old days we used to use a slate and stylus.  However, most people no
longer consider this a viable option, and most people aren't taught soon
enough, or well enough to make it so.

Dave

At 01:40 AM 4/9/2014, you wrote:
>Dear List Members,
>
>One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes 
>during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>
>One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most 
>efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>
>What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same? 
>My typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which 
>we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop along 
>with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more 
>challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other ear. 
>And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>
>So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw 
>light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well 
>equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good 
>manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>
>Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I can 
>think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and smart phone.
>How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and 
>Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>
>I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then 
>transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Amar Jain.
>Website: www.amarjain.com


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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 21:31:55 2014
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 22:31:55 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
	strategies?
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Completely agree with Daniel - though I lack the rather nice sounding
laptop setup he has!

Even if your brailling skills were amazing (mine aren't) you would
still need to transcribe any notes you made for colleagues to read -
you are likely to be working on a team and even if you aren't you
should maintain a legible file.

That transcribing job is not something you can delegate - as you could
with a recording, since it is unlikely you will be able to get some
one else who is able to read braille for the job, within your firm.

Ger

On 4/9/14, Daniel K. Beitz <dbeitz at wiennergould.com> wrote:
> I just use an ultra-portable laptop, such as the Lenovo carbon 1.  If you
> are in standby mode, meaning you just closed the lid, your computer is
> ready
> to go in 2 or 3 seconds.  Moreover, you can get a very small Bluetooth ear
> peace for one ear, or a single earphone so you can hear what is going on in
> the room.  The advantage is that you are using word, outlook and your
> browser, so you have access to everything you need.  You can then just plug
> the thing into a docking station, and use it as a desktop, with a regular
> keyboard, speakers and etc.  The thing ways about three pounds, so it is
> really easy to carry around.  You can even get it with a LTE card for
> Verizon or whatever carrier you use.  You can get solid state storage up to
> about 500 gb.
>
>
>
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
> Fax:  (248) 652-2729
> dbeitz at wiennergould.com
>
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> Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:04 PM
> To: amarjain at amarjain.com; Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
> strategies?
>
> In the old days we used to use a slate and stylus.  However, most people no
> longer consider this a viable option, and most people aren't taught soon
> enough, or well enough to make it so.
>
> Dave
>
> At 01:40 AM 4/9/2014, you wrote:
>>Dear List Members,
>>
>>One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes
>>during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>
>>One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
>>efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>
>>What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same?
>>My typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which
>>we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop along
>>with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more
>>challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other ear.
>>And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>>
>>So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw
>>light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well
>>equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good
>>manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>>
>>Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I can
>>think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and smart phone.
>>How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
>>Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>>
>>I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then
>>transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>>Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>--
>>Amar Jain.
>>Website: www.amarjain.com
>
>
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Wed Apr  9 21:37:10 2014
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 17:37:10 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
	/	strategies?
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Also, using a laptop, you can have people email you stuff that you can OCR
with omnipage.  You can even carry a portable scanner with you if you
wanted, although I don't.




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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
Sadlier
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

Completely agree with Daniel - though I lack the rather nice sounding laptop
setup he has!

Even if your brailling skills were amazing (mine aren't) you would still
need to transcribe any notes you made for colleagues to read - you are
likely to be working on a team and even if you aren't you should maintain a
legible file.

That transcribing job is not something you can delegate - as you could with
a recording, since it is unlikely you will be able to get some one else who
is able to read braille for the job, within your firm.

Ger

On 4/9/14, Daniel K. Beitz <dbeitz at wiennergould.com> wrote:
> I just use an ultra-portable laptop, such as the Lenovo carbon 1.  If 
> you are in standby mode, meaning you just closed the lid, your 
> computer is ready to go in 2 or 3 seconds.  Moreover, you can get a 
> very small Bluetooth ear peace for one ear, or a single earphone so 
> you can hear what is going on in the room.  The advantage is that you 
> are using word, outlook and your browser, so you have access to 
> everything you need.  You can then just plug the thing into a docking 
> station, and use it as a desktop, with a regular keyboard, speakers 
> and etc.  The thing ways about three pounds, so it is really easy to 
> carry around.  You can even get it with a LTE card for Verizon or 
> whatever carrier you use.  You can get solid state storage up to about 
> 500 gb.
>
>
>
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
> Phone:  (248) 841-9405
> Fax:  (248) 652-2729
> dbeitz at wiennergould.com
>
> www.wiennergould.com
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
> Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:04 PM
> To: amarjain at amarjain.com; Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: 
> devices / strategies?
>
> In the old days we used to use a slate and stylus.  However, most 
> people no longer consider this a viable option, and most people aren't 
> taught soon enough, or well enough to make it so.
>
> Dave
>
> At 01:40 AM 4/9/2014, you wrote:
>>Dear List Members,
>>
>>One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes 
>>during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>
>>One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most 
>>efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>
>>What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same?
>>My typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with 
>>which we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your 
>>laptop along with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes 
>>more challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other
ear.
>>And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>>
>>So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw 
>>light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well 
>>equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good 
>>manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>>
>>Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I can 
>>think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and smart phone.
>>How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and 
>>Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>>
>>I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then 
>>transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>>Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>--
>>Amar Jain.
>>Website: www.amarjain.com
>
>
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Wed Apr  9 21:38:57 2014
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 16:38:57 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls:
	devices	/	strategies?
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What blue tooth head phones?

Sincerely,

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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sy Hoekstra
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:52 PM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

I am now using a Surface Pro 2 with Windows 8.1, JAWS, the type cover 2
keyboard, and Bluetooth headphones. It's a tablet, so it's light, incredibly
fast processing, and, you know, it's a full computer. Also, it boots up
ridiculously quickly, like faster than any computer I have ever seen.
Totally off to fully ready to run with jaws open is about 15 seconds. About
another 10 to sign in with your user name and have jaws open again and ready
to go. I've actually timed it.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
Matney
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:13 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

I've just recently started using a Perkins Mini, a sixteen-cell braille
display. This unit weighs about a pound. It doesn't quite have the features
of the Braille Sense U2 devices discussed by others, but it meets my needs
(and is less expensive). This machine does not have speech output. You can
use it as a braille display via bluetooth or USB, but it also has several
internal apps. The most useful of these are the notetaker and the book
reader. The machine uses MicroSDHC cards and USB flash drives to store books
and notes.

I sometimes use the Perkins Mini on its own to take notes in meetings.
I used it at a conference recently as a display for my iPhone. I used
AccessNote, the app released by the American Foundation for the Blind, as
the notetaker. I used a bluetooth keyboard for input because I thought the
keys on the Perkins Mini might be too noisy.

The Mini charges via USB, which means that ou can get one of those external
battery paks for smart phones and charge it that way.

I like being able to use the Mini with my iPhone, and I really like the
capability to take notes on the device itself.

Obviously, if you need speech, this won't work for you. But if you are a
braille user, the Mini is worth considering. I like not having to use an
earphone.

You can find more info at www.perkinsproducts.org.

On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> I use a laptop. The only issue is battery life at times.
>
> On 4/9/14, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>>      I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a 
>> notetaker with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I 
>> turned speech off and use the braille display. The U2 can provide 
>> files in various formats and when you want your notes on a PC, the 
>> files can  be transferred.
>> See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amar 
>> Jain
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices 
>> / strategies?
>>
>> Dear List Members,
>>
>> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes 
>> during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>
>> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most 
>> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>
>> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same?
>> My
>> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which 
>> we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop 
>> along with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more 
>> challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other 
>> ear. And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>>
>> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw 
>> light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well 
>> equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good 
>> manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>>
>> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I 
>> can think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and 
>> smart phone.
>> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and 
>> Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>>
>> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then 
>> transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Amar Jain.
>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>
>>
>>
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From dbeitz at wiennergould.com  Wed Apr  9 21:48:35 2014
From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Daniel K. Beitz)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 17:48:35 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on
	calls:	devices	/	strategies?
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I forgot what brand, but you can get one version, which is newer than what I
have, at AT Guys.  It isn't headphones though.  It is a very small ear peace
for one ear.




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-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:39 PM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

What blue tooth head phones?

Sincerely,

Shannon Geihsler
Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main Street, Suite 803
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Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

I am now using a Surface Pro 2 with Windows 8.1, JAWS, the type cover 2
keyboard, and Bluetooth headphones. It's a tablet, so it's light, incredibly
fast processing, and, you know, it's a full computer. Also, it boots up
ridiculously quickly, like faster than any computer I have ever seen.
Totally off to fully ready to run with jaws open is about 15 seconds. About
another 10 to sign in with your user name and have jaws open again and ready
to go. I've actually timed it.

-----Original Message-----
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Matney
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:13 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

I've just recently started using a Perkins Mini, a sixteen-cell braille
display. This unit weighs about a pound. It doesn't quite have the features
of the Braille Sense U2 devices discussed by others, but it meets my needs
(and is less expensive). This machine does not have speech output. You can
use it as a braille display via bluetooth or USB, but it also has several
internal apps. The most useful of these are the notetaker and the book
reader. The machine uses MicroSDHC cards and USB flash drives to store books
and notes.

I sometimes use the Perkins Mini on its own to take notes in meetings.
I used it at a conference recently as a display for my iPhone. I used
AccessNote, the app released by the American Foundation for the Blind, as
the notetaker. I used a bluetooth keyboard for input because I thought the
keys on the Perkins Mini might be too noisy.

The Mini charges via USB, which means that ou can get one of those external
battery paks for smart phones and charge it that way.

I like being able to use the Mini with my iPhone, and I really like the
capability to take notes on the device itself.

Obviously, if you need speech, this won't work for you. But if you are a
braille user, the Mini is worth considering. I like not having to use an
earphone.

You can find more info at www.perkinsproducts.org.

On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> I use a laptop. The only issue is battery life at times.
>
> On 4/9/14, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>>      I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a 
>> notetaker with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I 
>> turned speech off and use the braille display. The U2 can provide 
>> files in various formats and when you want your notes on a PC, the 
>> files can  be transferred.
>> See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amar 
>> Jain
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices 
>> / strategies?
>>
>> Dear List Members,
>>
>> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes 
>> during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>
>> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most 
>> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>
>> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same?
>> My
>> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which 
>> we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop 
>> along with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more 
>> challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other 
>> ear. And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>>
>> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw 
>> light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well 
>> equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good 
>> manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>>
>> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I 
>> can think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and 
>> smart phone.
>> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and 
>> Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>>
>> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then 
>> transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Amar Jain.
>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>
>>
>>
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Wed Apr  9 22:16:20 2014
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 15:16:20 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
	/	strategies?
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Hello:

     One thing to know about notetakers and braille files; Newer notetakers
such as the BrailleNote and Braille Sense have back translators. Back
translators convert braille files to text or other common formats. They do
inject errors. For example, if you wrote CDs referring to a CD collection,
the backtranslator might write COULDs or COULD for the letters CD. More
later.

Regards,

Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
Sadlier
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:32 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

Completely agree with Daniel - though I lack the rather nice sounding laptop
setup he has!

Even if your brailling skills were amazing (mine aren't) you would still
need to transcribe any notes you made for colleagues to read - you are
likely to be working on a team and even if you aren't you should maintain a
legible file.

That transcribing job is not something you can delegate - as you could with
a recording, since it is unlikely you will be able to get some one else who
is able to read braille for the job, within your firm.

Ger

On 4/9/14, Daniel K. Beitz <dbeitz at wiennergould.com> wrote:
> I just use an ultra-portable laptop, such as the Lenovo carbon 1.  If 
> you are in standby mode, meaning you just closed the lid, your 
> computer is ready to go in 2 or 3 seconds.  Moreover, you can get a 
> very small Bluetooth ear peace for one ear, or a single earphone so 
> you can hear what is going on in the room.  The advantage is that you 
> are using word, outlook and your browser, so you have access to 
> everything you need.  You can then just plug the thing into a docking 
> station, and use it as a desktop, with a regular keyboard, speakers 
> and etc.  The thing ways about three pounds, so it is really easy to 
> carry around.  You can even get it with a LTE card for Verizon or 
> whatever carrier you use.  You can get solid state storage up to about 
> 500 gb.
>
>
>
> Daniel K. Beitz
> Wienner & Gould, P.C.
> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350
> Rochester, MI  48307
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> Fax:  (248) 652-2729
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
> Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:04 PM
> To: amarjain at amarjain.com; Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: 
> devices / strategies?
>
> In the old days we used to use a slate and stylus.  However, most 
> people no longer consider this a viable option, and most people aren't 
> taught soon enough, or well enough to make it so.
>
> Dave
>
> At 01:40 AM 4/9/2014, you wrote:
>>Dear List Members,
>>
>>One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes 
>>during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>
>>One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most 
>>efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>
>>What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same?
>>My typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with 
>>which we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your 
>>laptop along with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes 
>>more challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other
ear.
>>And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>>
>>So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw 
>>light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well 
>>equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good 
>>manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>>
>>Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I can 
>>think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and smart phone.
>>How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and 
>>Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>>
>>I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then 
>>transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>>Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>--
>>Amar Jain.
>>Website: www.amarjain.com
>
>
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From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 22:21:22 2014
From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sy Hoekstra)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 18:21:22 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on
	calls:	devices	/	strategies?
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This one:
http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-HBS-730-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B009A5204K

The basic idea is there is a light horseshoe shaped wire thing around the
back of your neck. At either end of the horseshoe are some buttons. If
you're using a computer, only the volume buttons matter, but if you're using
a Bluetooth audio file playing device, you can also play and pause and skip
tracks. If it's a phone, you can pick up and talk because there is a mic
built in. The headphones are ear buds, and if you aren't using them, they
magnetically clip into the horseshoe thing, so you can use one for meetings
and both for the rest of the time.

It's like $80, but I bought it used for $35 on the Amazon Warehouse, and
they work perfectly well. With my new surface pro 2 and these headphones, I
am quite tech happy at the moment.

Note: JAWS on my tablet works really well with these, but Voiceover on my
iPhone, for some reason, does not. Voiceover cuts in and out and is
basically useless.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:39 PM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

What blue tooth head phones?

Sincerely,

Shannon Geihsler
Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1001 Main Street, Suite 803
Lubbock, Texas 79423
Phone: (806) 763-3999
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Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:52 PM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

I am now using a Surface Pro 2 with Windows 8.1, JAWS, the type cover 2
keyboard, and Bluetooth headphones. It's a tablet, so it's light, incredibly
fast processing, and, you know, it's a full computer. Also, it boots up
ridiculously quickly, like faster than any computer I have ever seen.
Totally off to fully ready to run with jaws open is about 15 seconds. About
another 10 to sign in with your user name and have jaws open again and ready
to go. I've actually timed it.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
Matney
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:13 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

I've just recently started using a Perkins Mini, a sixteen-cell braille
display. This unit weighs about a pound. It doesn't quite have the features
of the Braille Sense U2 devices discussed by others, but it meets my needs
(and is less expensive). This machine does not have speech output. You can
use it as a braille display via bluetooth or USB, but it also has several
internal apps. The most useful of these are the notetaker and the book
reader. The machine uses MicroSDHC cards and USB flash drives to store books
and notes.

I sometimes use the Perkins Mini on its own to take notes in meetings.
I used it at a conference recently as a display for my iPhone. I used
AccessNote, the app released by the American Foundation for the Blind, as
the notetaker. I used a bluetooth keyboard for input because I thought the
keys on the Perkins Mini might be too noisy.

The Mini charges via USB, which means that ou can get one of those external
battery paks for smart phones and charge it that way.

I like being able to use the Mini with my iPhone, and I really like the
capability to take notes on the device itself.

Obviously, if you need speech, this won't work for you. But if you are a
braille user, the Mini is worth considering. I like not having to use an
earphone.

You can find more info at www.perkinsproducts.org.

On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> I use a laptop. The only issue is battery life at times.
>
> On 4/9/14, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>>      I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a 
>> notetaker with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I 
>> turned speech off and use the braille display. The U2 can provide 
>> files in various formats and when you want your notes on a PC, the 
>> files can  be transferred.
>> See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amar 
>> Jain
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices 
>> / strategies?
>>
>> Dear List Members,
>>
>> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes 
>> during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>
>> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most 
>> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>
>> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same?
>> My
>> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which 
>> we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop 
>> along with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more 
>> challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other 
>> ear. And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>>
>> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw 
>> light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well 
>> equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good 
>> manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>>
>> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I 
>> can think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and 
>> smart phone.
>> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and 
>> Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>>
>> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then 
>> transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Amar Jain.
>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>
>>
>>
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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 22:34:12 2014
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 18:34:12 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
	strategies?
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I see someone beat me to the observation that you don't have to
transcribe braille notes anymore. For clarification, the Perkins Mini
(this device is also known as the Mini Seika) does not, as of yet,
contain a back translator. But I do have software that could quickly
back-translate the notes for me.

I also agree with whoever it was that posted about a portable scanner.
I have a nice portable one, but I rarely take it with me. The Perkins
Mini, on the other hand, is perfect for when a partner says, "Hey,
meet me in my office to discuss Client X."

I emphatically disagree with the assertion that even if your braille
skills are superior, using a braille display/notetaker is an inferior
method. for me, braille is qualitatively different than speech, and in
some situations, it is far superior. Speech is preferable in other
situations, and most of the time, I like having access to both.

Anyway, interesting discussion.

On 4/9/14, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
> This one:
> http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-HBS-730-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B009A5204K
>
> The basic idea is there is a light horseshoe shaped wire thing around the
> back of your neck. At either end of the horseshoe are some buttons. If
> you're using a computer, only the volume buttons matter, but if you're
> using
> a Bluetooth audio file playing device, you can also play and pause and skip
> tracks. If it's a phone, you can pick up and talk because there is a mic
> built in. The headphones are ear buds, and if you aren't using them, they
> magnetically clip into the horseshoe thing, so you can use one for meetings
> and both for the rest of the time.
>
> It's like $80, but I bought it used for $35 on the Amazon Warehouse, and
> they work perfectly well. With my new surface pro 2 and these headphones, I
> am quite tech happy at the moment.
>
> Note: JAWS on my tablet works really well with these, but Voiceover on my
> iPhone, for some reason, does not. Voiceover cuts in and out and is
> basically useless.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:39 PM
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
> strategies?
>
> What blue tooth head phones?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Shannon Geihsler
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1001 Main Street, Suite 803
> Lubbock, Texas 79423
> Phone: (806) 763-3999
> Mobile:  (806) 781-9296
> Fax:  (806) 749-3752
> E-Mail:  sbg at sbgaal.com
>
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sy
> Hoekstra
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:52 PM
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
> strategies?
>
> I am now using a Surface Pro 2 with Windows 8.1, JAWS, the type cover 2
> keyboard, and Bluetooth headphones. It's a tablet, so it's light,
> incredibly
> fast processing, and, you know, it's a full computer. Also, it boots up
> ridiculously quickly, like faster than any computer I have ever seen.
> Totally off to fully ready to run with jaws open is about 15 seconds. About
> another 10 to sign in with your user name and have jaws open again and
> ready
> to go. I've actually timed it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
> Matney
> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:13 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
> strategies?
>
> I've just recently started using a Perkins Mini, a sixteen-cell braille
> display. This unit weighs about a pound. It doesn't quite have the features
> of the Braille Sense U2 devices discussed by others, but it meets my needs
> (and is less expensive). This machine does not have speech output. You can
> use it as a braille display via bluetooth or USB, but it also has several
> internal apps. The most useful of these are the notetaker and the book
> reader. The machine uses MicroSDHC cards and USB flash drives to store
> books
> and notes.
>
> I sometimes use the Perkins Mini on its own to take notes in meetings.
> I used it at a conference recently as a display for my iPhone. I used
> AccessNote, the app released by the American Foundation for the Blind, as
> the notetaker. I used a bluetooth keyboard for input because I thought the
> keys on the Perkins Mini might be too noisy.
>
> The Mini charges via USB, which means that ou can get one of those external
> battery paks for smart phones and charge it that way.
>
> I like being able to use the Mini with my iPhone, and I really like the
> capability to take notes on the device itself.
>
> Obviously, if you need speech, this won't work for you. But if you are a
> braille user, the Mini is worth considering. I like not having to use an
> earphone.
>
> You can find more info at www.perkinsproducts.org.
>
> On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I use a laptop. The only issue is battery life at times.
>>
>> On 4/9/14, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>>      I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a
>>> notetaker with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I
>>> turned speech off and use the braille display. The U2 can provide
>>> files in various formats and when you want your notes on a PC, the
>>> files can  be transferred.
>>> See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amar
>>> Jain
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
>>> / strategies?
>>>
>>> Dear List Members,
>>>
>>> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes
>>> during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>>
>>> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
>>> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>>
>>> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same?
>>> My
>>> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which
>>> we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop
>>> along with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more
>>> challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other
>>> ear. And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>>>
>>> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw
>>> light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well
>>> equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good
>>> manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>>>
>>> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I
>>> can think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and
>>> smart phone.
>>> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
>>> Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>>>
>>> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then
>>> transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>>> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --
>>> Amar Jain.
>>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 22:40:26 2014
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 23:40:26 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
	strategies?
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Angie,

I didn't say that using a braille display was less effective. I was
actually commenting on the implications of using a braille slate and
stylus. If you did so, the material would be brailled on physical
sheets of paper and would have to be manually transcribed.

Ger



On 4/9/14, Angie Matney <angie.matney at gmail.com> wrote:
> I see someone beat me to the observation that you don't have to
> transcribe braille notes anymore. For clarification, the Perkins Mini
> (this device is also known as the Mini Seika) does not, as of yet,
> contain a back translator. But I do have software that could quickly
> back-translate the notes for me.
>
> I also agree with whoever it was that posted about a portable scanner.
> I have a nice portable one, but I rarely take it with me. The Perkins
> Mini, on the other hand, is perfect for when a partner says, "Hey,
> meet me in my office to discuss Client X."
>
> I emphatically disagree with the assertion that even if your braille
> skills are superior, using a braille display/notetaker is an inferior
> method. for me, braille is qualitatively different than speech, and in
> some situations, it is far superior. Speech is preferable in other
> situations, and most of the time, I like having access to both.
>
> Anyway, interesting discussion.
>
> On 4/9/14, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This one:
>> http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-HBS-730-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B009A5204K
>>
>> The basic idea is there is a light horseshoe shaped wire thing around the
>> back of your neck. At either end of the horseshoe are some buttons. If
>> you're using a computer, only the volume buttons matter, but if you're
>> using
>> a Bluetooth audio file playing device, you can also play and pause and
>> skip
>> tracks. If it's a phone, you can pick up and talk because there is a mic
>> built in. The headphones are ear buds, and if you aren't using them, they
>> magnetically clip into the horseshoe thing, so you can use one for
>> meetings
>> and both for the rest of the time.
>>
>> It's like $80, but I bought it used for $35 on the Amazon Warehouse, and
>> they work perfectly well. With my new surface pro 2 and these headphones,
>> I
>> am quite tech happy at the moment.
>>
>> Note: JAWS on my tablet works really well with these, but Voiceover on my
>> iPhone, for some reason, does not. Voiceover cuts in and out and is
>> basically useless.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:39 PM
>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
>> /
>> strategies?
>>
>> What blue tooth head phones?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Shannon Geihsler
>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>> 1001 Main Street, Suite 803
>> Lubbock, Texas 79423
>> Phone: (806) 763-3999
>> Mobile:  (806) 781-9296
>> Fax:  (806) 749-3752
>> E-Mail:  sbg at sbgaal.com
>>
>> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
>> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
>> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
>> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,
>> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sy
>> Hoekstra
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:52 PM
>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
>> /
>> strategies?
>>
>> I am now using a Surface Pro 2 with Windows 8.1, JAWS, the type cover 2
>> keyboard, and Bluetooth headphones. It's a tablet, so it's light,
>> incredibly
>> fast processing, and, you know, it's a full computer. Also, it boots up
>> ridiculously quickly, like faster than any computer I have ever seen.
>> Totally off to fully ready to run with jaws open is about 15 seconds.
>> About
>> another 10 to sign in with your user name and have jaws open again and
>> ready
>> to go. I've actually timed it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
>> Matney
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:13 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
>> /
>> strategies?
>>
>> I've just recently started using a Perkins Mini, a sixteen-cell braille
>> display. This unit weighs about a pound. It doesn't quite have the
>> features
>> of the Braille Sense U2 devices discussed by others, but it meets my
>> needs
>> (and is less expensive). This machine does not have speech output. You
>> can
>> use it as a braille display via bluetooth or USB, but it also has several
>> internal apps. The most useful of these are the notetaker and the book
>> reader. The machine uses MicroSDHC cards and USB flash drives to store
>> books
>> and notes.
>>
>> I sometimes use the Perkins Mini on its own to take notes in meetings.
>> I used it at a conference recently as a display for my iPhone. I used
>> AccessNote, the app released by the American Foundation for the Blind, as
>> the notetaker. I used a bluetooth keyboard for input because I thought
>> the
>> keys on the Perkins Mini might be too noisy.
>>
>> The Mini charges via USB, which means that ou can get one of those
>> external
>> battery paks for smart phones and charge it that way.
>>
>> I like being able to use the Mini with my iPhone, and I really like the
>> capability to take notes on the device itself.
>>
>> Obviously, if you need speech, this won't work for you. But if you are a
>> braille user, the Mini is worth considering. I like not having to use an
>> earphone.
>>
>> You can find more info at www.perkinsproducts.org.
>>
>> On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I use a laptop. The only issue is battery life at times.
>>>
>>> On 4/9/14, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Hello:
>>>>
>>>>      I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a
>>>> notetaker with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I
>>>> turned speech off and use the braille display. The U2 can provide
>>>> files in various formats and when you want your notes on a PC, the
>>>> files can  be transferred.
>>>> See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amar
>>>> Jain
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
>>>> / strategies?
>>>>
>>>> Dear List Members,
>>>>
>>>> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes
>>>> during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>>>
>>>> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
>>>> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>>>
>>>> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the same?
>>>> My
>>>> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which
>>>> we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop
>>>> along with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more
>>>> challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other
>>>> ear. And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>>>>
>>>> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw
>>>> light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well
>>>> equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good
>>>> manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>>>>
>>>> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I
>>>> can think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and
>>>> smart phone.
>>>> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
>>>> Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>>>>
>>>> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then
>>>> transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>>>> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> --
>>>> Amar Jain.
>>>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> blindlaw mailing list
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> blindlaw:
>>>>
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>>>> et
>>>>
>>>>
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>> .com
>>>>
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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 03:18:35 2014
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 23:18:35 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
	strategies?
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Thanks for the clarification. I agree, slate and stylus would be
cumbersome for that reason.

On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Angie,
>
> I didn't say that using a braille display was less effective. I was
> actually commenting on the implications of using a braille slate and
> stylus. If you did so, the material would be brailled on physical
> sheets of paper and would have to be manually transcribed.
>
> Ger
>
>
>
> On 4/9/14, Angie Matney <angie.matney at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I see someone beat me to the observation that you don't have to
>> transcribe braille notes anymore. For clarification, the Perkins Mini
>> (this device is also known as the Mini Seika) does not, as of yet,
>> contain a back translator. But I do have software that could quickly
>> back-translate the notes for me.
>>
>> I also agree with whoever it was that posted about a portable scanner.
>> I have a nice portable one, but I rarely take it with me. The Perkins
>> Mini, on the other hand, is perfect for when a partner says, "Hey,
>> meet me in my office to discuss Client X."
>>
>> I emphatically disagree with the assertion that even if your braille
>> skills are superior, using a braille display/notetaker is an inferior
>> method. for me, braille is qualitatively different than speech, and in
>> some situations, it is far superior. Speech is preferable in other
>> situations, and most of the time, I like having access to both.
>>
>> Anyway, interesting discussion.
>>
>> On 4/9/14, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This one:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-HBS-730-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B009A5204K
>>>
>>> The basic idea is there is a light horseshoe shaped wire thing around
>>> the
>>> back of your neck. At either end of the horseshoe are some buttons. If
>>> you're using a computer, only the volume buttons matter, but if you're
>>> using
>>> a Bluetooth audio file playing device, you can also play and pause and
>>> skip
>>> tracks. If it's a phone, you can pick up and talk because there is a mic
>>> built in. The headphones are ear buds, and if you aren't using them,
>>> they
>>> magnetically clip into the horseshoe thing, so you can use one for
>>> meetings
>>> and both for the rest of the time.
>>>
>>> It's like $80, but I bought it used for $35 on the Amazon Warehouse, and
>>> they work perfectly well. With my new surface pro 2 and these
>>> headphones,
>>> I
>>> am quite tech happy at the moment.
>>>
>>> Note: JAWS on my tablet works really well with these, but Voiceover on
>>> my
>>> iPhone, for some reason, does not. Voiceover cuts in and out and is
>>> basically useless.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:39 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
>>> /
>>> strategies?
>>>
>>> What blue tooth head phones?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Shannon Geihsler
>>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>>> 1001 Main Street, Suite 803
>>> Lubbock, Texas 79423
>>> Phone: (806) 763-3999
>>> Mobile:  (806) 781-9296
>>> Fax:  (806) 749-3752
>>> E-Mail:  sbg at sbgaal.com
>>>
>>> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or
>>> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
>>> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express
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>>> recipient,
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>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sy
>>> Hoekstra
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:52 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
>>> /
>>> strategies?
>>>
>>> I am now using a Surface Pro 2 with Windows 8.1, JAWS, the type cover 2
>>> keyboard, and Bluetooth headphones. It's a tablet, so it's light,
>>> incredibly
>>> fast processing, and, you know, it's a full computer. Also, it boots up
>>> ridiculously quickly, like faster than any computer I have ever seen.
>>> Totally off to fully ready to run with jaws open is about 15 seconds.
>>> About
>>> another 10 to sign in with your user name and have jaws open again and
>>> ready
>>> to go. I've actually timed it.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
>>> Matney
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:13 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
>>> /
>>> strategies?
>>>
>>> I've just recently started using a Perkins Mini, a sixteen-cell braille
>>> display. This unit weighs about a pound. It doesn't quite have the
>>> features
>>> of the Braille Sense U2 devices discussed by others, but it meets my
>>> needs
>>> (and is less expensive). This machine does not have speech output. You
>>> can
>>> use it as a braille display via bluetooth or USB, but it also has
>>> several
>>> internal apps. The most useful of these are the notetaker and the book
>>> reader. The machine uses MicroSDHC cards and USB flash drives to store
>>> books
>>> and notes.
>>>
>>> I sometimes use the Perkins Mini on its own to take notes in meetings.
>>> I used it at a conference recently as a display for my iPhone. I used
>>> AccessNote, the app released by the American Foundation for the Blind,
>>> as
>>> the notetaker. I used a bluetooth keyboard for input because I thought
>>> the
>>> keys on the Perkins Mini might be too noisy.
>>>
>>> The Mini charges via USB, which means that ou can get one of those
>>> external
>>> battery paks for smart phones and charge it that way.
>>>
>>> I like being able to use the Mini with my iPhone, and I really like the
>>> capability to take notes on the device itself.
>>>
>>> Obviously, if you need speech, this won't work for you. But if you are a
>>> braille user, the Mini is worth considering. I like not having to use an
>>> earphone.
>>>
>>> You can find more info at www.perkinsproducts.org.
>>>
>>> On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I use a laptop. The only issue is battery life at times.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/9/14, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>
>>>>>      I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a
>>>>> notetaker with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I
>>>>> turned speech off and use the braille display. The U2 can provide
>>>>> files in various formats and when you want your notes on a PC, the
>>>>> files can  be transferred.
>>>>> See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amar
>>>>> Jain
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
>>>>> / strategies?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear List Members,
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take notes
>>>>> during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
>>>>> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the
>>>>> same?
>>>>> My
>>>>> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which
>>>>> we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop
>>>>> along with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more
>>>>> challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other
>>>>> ear. And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can throw
>>>>> light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well
>>>>> equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good
>>>>> manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I
>>>>> can think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and
>>>>> smart phone.
>>>>> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
>>>>> Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then
>>>>> transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>>>>> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Amar Jain.
>>>>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From amarjain at amarjain.com  Thu Apr 10 06:58:18 2014
From: amarjain at amarjain.com (Amar Jain)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:28:18 +0530
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
 strategies?
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Thanks guys for so many wonderful responses.

Well, initially I did not think of using Braille. Although I had good
Braille skills in my school days, but surely I know that can be achieved
once again.

In one sense Braille helps is because you don't have other sound in your
ears like that of your screen reader and you can completely focus in the
discussion. So just for my knowledge and more thinking, how does it really
work? I have seen Braillers and slates both. And both of them are not good
options at the moment. So in a notetaker or all the other products, do you
have internal file saving from line to line?
Thus doing away with the need to have papers?
If someone can comment on the software options available to transcribe
that back into text then it will be great. What is the level of accuracy
you get? One of them I understand is transcribe back. As people commented.

For those who are using laptop as efficiently as Braille, how is the speed
level difference between both?

And at the other hand I like the idea of carrying the tablet or an ultra
laptop. How are the touch gestures working on surface pro? I am sure
achieving speed on a tab would be much easier than compared to the phone.

Regards,
Amar Jain.
> Thanks for the clarification. I agree, slate and stylus would be
> cumbersome for that reason.
>
> On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Angie,
>>
>> I didn't say that using a braille display was less effective. I was
>> actually commenting on the implications of using a braille slate and
>> stylus. If you did so, the material would be brailled on physical
>> sheets of paper and would have to be manually transcribed.
>>
>> Ger
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/14, Angie Matney <angie.matney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I see someone beat me to the observation that you don't have to
>>> transcribe braille notes anymore. For clarification, the Perkins Mini
>>> (this device is also known as the Mini Seika) does not, as of yet,
>>> contain a back translator. But I do have software that could quickly
>>> back-translate the notes for me.
>>>
>>> I also agree with whoever it was that posted about a portable scanner.
>>> I have a nice portable one, but I rarely take it with me. The Perkins
>>> Mini, on the other hand, is perfect for when a partner says, "Hey,
>>> meet me in my office to discuss Client X."
>>>
>>> I emphatically disagree with the assertion that even if your braille
>>> skills are superior, using a braille display/notetaker is an inferior
>>> method. for me, braille is qualitatively different than speech, and in
>>> some situations, it is far superior. Speech is preferable in other
>>> situations, and most of the time, I like having access to both.
>>>
>>> Anyway, interesting discussion.
>>>
>>> On 4/9/14, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This one:
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-HBS-730-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B009A5204K
>>>>
>>>> The basic idea is there is a light horseshoe shaped wire thing around
>>>> the
>>>> back of your neck. At either end of the horseshoe are some buttons. If
>>>> you're using a computer, only the volume buttons matter, but if you're
>>>> using
>>>> a Bluetooth audio file playing device, you can also play and pause and
>>>> skip
>>>> tracks. If it's a phone, you can pick up and talk because there is a
>>>> mic
>>>> built in. The headphones are ear buds, and if you aren't using them,
>>>> they
>>>> magnetically clip into the horseshoe thing, so you can use one for
>>>> meetings
>>>> and both for the rest of the time.
>>>>
>>>> It's like $80, but I bought it used for $35 on the Amazon Warehouse,
>>>> and
>>>> they work perfectly well. With my new surface pro 2 and these
>>>> headphones,
>>>> I
>>>> am quite tech happy at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Note: JAWS on my tablet works really well with these, but Voiceover on
>>>> my
>>>> iPhone, for some reason, does not. Voiceover cuts in and out and is
>>>> basically useless.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Shannon
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:39 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls:
>>>> devices
>>>> /
>>>> strategies?
>>>>
>>>> What blue tooth head phones?
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Shannon Geihsler
>>>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>>>> 1001 Main Street, Suite 803
>>>> Lubbock, Texas 79423
>>>> Phone: (806) 763-3999
>>>> Mobile:  (806) 781-9296
>>>> Fax:  (806) 749-3752
>>>> E-Mail:  sbg at sbgaal.com
>>>>
>>>> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged
>>>> and/or
>>>> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
>>>> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without
>>>> express
>>>> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended
>>>> recipient,
>>>> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sy
>>>> Hoekstra
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:52 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls:
>>>> devices
>>>> /
>>>> strategies?
>>>>
>>>> I am now using a Surface Pro 2 with Windows 8.1, JAWS, the type cover
>>>> 2
>>>> keyboard, and Bluetooth headphones. It's a tablet, so it's light,
>>>> incredibly
>>>> fast processing, and, you know, it's a full computer. Also, it boots
>>>> up
>>>> ridiculously quickly, like faster than any computer I have ever seen.
>>>> Totally off to fully ready to run with jaws open is about 15 seconds.
>>>> About
>>>> another 10 to sign in with your user name and have jaws open again and
>>>> ready
>>>> to go. I've actually timed it.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
>>>> Matney
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:13 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls:
>>>> devices
>>>> /
>>>> strategies?
>>>>
>>>> I've just recently started using a Perkins Mini, a sixteen-cell
>>>> braille
>>>> display. This unit weighs about a pound. It doesn't quite have the
>>>> features
>>>> of the Braille Sense U2 devices discussed by others, but it meets my
>>>> needs
>>>> (and is less expensive). This machine does not have speech output. You
>>>> can
>>>> use it as a braille display via bluetooth or USB, but it also has
>>>> several
>>>> internal apps. The most useful of these are the notetaker and the book
>>>> reader. The machine uses MicroSDHC cards and USB flash drives to store
>>>> books
>>>> and notes.
>>>>
>>>> I sometimes use the Perkins Mini on its own to take notes in meetings.
>>>> I used it at a conference recently as a display for my iPhone. I used
>>>> AccessNote, the app released by the American Foundation for the Blind,
>>>> as
>>>> the notetaker. I used a bluetooth keyboard for input because I thought
>>>> the
>>>> keys on the Perkins Mini might be too noisy.
>>>>
>>>> The Mini charges via USB, which means that ou can get one of those
>>>> external
>>>> battery paks for smart phones and charge it that way.
>>>>
>>>> I like being able to use the Mini with my iPhone, and I really like
>>>> the
>>>> capability to take notes on the device itself.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, if you need speech, this won't work for you. But if you are
>>>> a
>>>> braille user, the Mini is worth considering. I like not having to use
>>>> an
>>>> earphone.
>>>>
>>>> You can find more info at www.perkinsproducts.org.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I use a laptop. The only issue is battery life at times.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/9/14, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a
>>>>>> notetaker with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I
>>>>>> turned speech off and use the braille display. The U2 can provide
>>>>>> files in various formats and when you want your notes on a PC, the
>>>>>> files can  be transferred.
>>>>>> See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Amar
>>>>>> Jain
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
>>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
>>>>>> / strategies?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear List Members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take
>>>>>> notes
>>>>>> during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
>>>>>> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the
>>>>>> same?
>>>>>> My
>>>>>> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which
>>>>>> we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop
>>>>>> along with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more
>>>>>> challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other
>>>>>> ear. And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can
>>>>>> throw
>>>>>> light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well
>>>>>> equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good
>>>>>> manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I
>>>>>> can think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and
>>>>>> smart phone.
>>>>>> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
>>>>>> Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then
>>>>>> transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>>>>>> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Amar Jain.
>>>>>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> et
>>>>>>
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From LBlake at nfb.org  Thu Apr 10 14:53:25 2014
From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:53:25 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] One week left to register for the 2014 Jacobus tenBroek
 Disability Law Symposium
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One Week Left to Register!
Registration for the 2014 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Closes April 17, 2014!

Disability Rights in the 21st Century: Creative Solutions for Achieving the Right to Live in the World

April 24-25, 2014
at the
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
Baltimore, Maryland

Don't miss your opportunity to hear 2014 theme keynote speakers Jenny Hatch and Jonathan Martinis talk about the landmark case in which Ms. Hatch won the right to make her own decisions through supported decision-making rather than being forced into a guardianship that she did not want and that would make all decisions for her. The luncheon keynote will be given by Catherine Lhamon, assistant secretary, Office for Civil Rights, United States Department of Education.

The 2014 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium will consist of plenary sessions and workshops facilitated by distinguished law professors, practitioners, and advocates who will discuss topics such as: disability discrimination in the criminal and juvenile justice systems, next steps in Olmstead litigation, rights of parents with disabilities, supported decision making as an alternative to guardianship, and how to work with the media to get the disability rights message across.

2014 plenary session presenters:


  *   Michael W. Bien, managing partner, Rosen, Bien, Galvan & Grunfeld, LLP;
  *   Peter Blanck, university professor, Syracuse University, and chairman, Burton Blatt Institute;
  *   Christopher S. Danielsen, director of public relations, National Federation of the Blind;
  *   Matthew W. Dietz, president and Litigation Director, Disability Independence Group, Inc.;
  *   Maureen Henry, former executive director, Utah Commission on Aging;
  *   Talila Lewis, founder and president, HEARD;
  *   Carrie Ann Lucas, executive director, Center for Rights of Parents with Disabilities;
  *   Jonathan Martinis, legal director, Quality Trust for Individuals with Disabilities;

  *   Robyn Powell, attorney advisor, National Council on Disability;

  *   Barry Taylor, vice president for civil rights and systemic litigation, Equip for Equality;
  *   Joseph B. Tulman, professor of law and director, Took Crowell Institute for Youth; and

  *   Theresa Vargas, staff writer, The Washington Post.

2014 workshop facilitators:


*        Samuel Bagenstos, professor of law, University of Michigan Law School

*        Ira Burnim, legal director, Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law

*        Gregory P. Care, Associate, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP

*        Marc Charmatz, senior attorney, National Association of the Deaf

*        Andrew D. Freeman, partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP

*        Elaine Gardner, attorney advisor, Disability Rights Office, Federal Communications Commission

*        Sharon Krevor-Weisbaum, partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP

*        Christopher Kuczynski, assistant legal counsel, United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

*        David L. Lee, principal, The Law Offices of David L. Lee

*        Jennifer Mathis, deputy legal director, Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law

*        Laurence Paradis, executive director and co-director of litigation, Disability Rights Advocates

*        Luciene Parsley, senior attorney, Maryland Disability Law Center

*        Karen Peltz Strauss, deputy chief, Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau, Federal Communications Commission

*        Rebecca G. Pontikes, principal, Pontikes Law, LLC

*        Kenneth Shiotani, senior staff attorney, National Disability Rights Network

*        Mehgan Sidhu, general counsel, National Federation of the Blind

*        Victoria Thomas, staff attorney, University Legal Services--Protection & Advocacy

*        Michael Waterstone, associate dean for research and academic centers, and J. Howard Ziemann Fellow and Professor of Law, Loyola Law School

  *   Lauren Young, director of litigation, Maryland Disability Law Center

Documentation for CLE credits will be provided.

Registration fee: $175
Student registration fee: $25

To learn more about the symposium and symposium sponsorship opportunities, view the agenda, and register online, please visit https://nfb.org/law-symposium .  You may also download from this Web site a registration form to mail or fax.  Hotel information is also available on the symposium Web site. Please note: The cut-off date for reserving a hotel room at the group rate is Wednesday, April, 2, 2014, at 3:00 p.m.

For additional information, contact:

Lou Ann Blake, JD
Law Symposium Coordinator
Jernigan Institute
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
200 East Wells Street
at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21230
Telephone: 410-659-9314, ext. 2221
E-mail: lblake at nfb.org<mailto:lblake at nfb.org>






From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 02:55:04 2014
From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sy Hoekstra)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:55:04 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
	strategies?
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The Surface Pro 2 with JAWS has some decent touch gestures, though it is not
as responsive as an iPhone. I use it with the Type Cover 2 keyboard, which
Microsoft specifically produces for use with the Surface. And when I'm at
home, I just plug in a full keyboard via USB at my desk. The real advantage
is having a super light weight, really snappy computer.

I haven't thoroughly explored the touch gestures though since I don't do
touch screens without an available tactile keyboard. I even attach a little
Bluetooth keyboard to my iPhone.

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:58 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices /
strategies?

Thanks guys for so many wonderful responses.

Well, initially I did not think of using Braille. Although I had good
Braille skills in my school days, but surely I know that can be achieved
once again.

In one sense Braille helps is because you don't have other sound in your
ears like that of your screen reader and you can completely focus in the
discussion. So just for my knowledge and more thinking, how does it really
work? I have seen Braillers and slates both. And both of them are not good
options at the moment. So in a notetaker or all the other products, do you
have internal file saving from line to line?
Thus doing away with the need to have papers?
If someone can comment on the software options available to transcribe
that back into text then it will be great. What is the level of accuracy
you get? One of them I understand is transcribe back. As people commented.

For those who are using laptop as efficiently as Braille, how is the speed
level difference between both?

And at the other hand I like the idea of carrying the tablet or an ultra
laptop. How are the touch gestures working on surface pro? I am sure
achieving speed on a tab would be much easier than compared to the phone.

Regards,
Amar Jain.
> Thanks for the clarification. I agree, slate and stylus would be
> cumbersome for that reason.
>
> On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Angie,
>>
>> I didn't say that using a braille display was less effective. I was
>> actually commenting on the implications of using a braille slate and
>> stylus. If you did so, the material would be brailled on physical
>> sheets of paper and would have to be manually transcribed.
>>
>> Ger
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/14, Angie Matney <angie.matney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I see someone beat me to the observation that you don't have to
>>> transcribe braille notes anymore. For clarification, the Perkins Mini
>>> (this device is also known as the Mini Seika) does not, as of yet,
>>> contain a back translator. But I do have software that could quickly
>>> back-translate the notes for me.
>>>
>>> I also agree with whoever it was that posted about a portable scanner.
>>> I have a nice portable one, but I rarely take it with me. The Perkins
>>> Mini, on the other hand, is perfect for when a partner says, "Hey,
>>> meet me in my office to discuss Client X."
>>>
>>> I emphatically disagree with the assertion that even if your braille
>>> skills are superior, using a braille display/notetaker is an inferior
>>> method. for me, braille is qualitatively different than speech, and in
>>> some situations, it is far superior. Speech is preferable in other
>>> situations, and most of the time, I like having access to both.
>>>
>>> Anyway, interesting discussion.
>>>
>>> On 4/9/14, Sy Hoekstra <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This one:
>>>>
http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-HBS-730-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B009A5204K
>>>>
>>>> The basic idea is there is a light horseshoe shaped wire thing around
>>>> the
>>>> back of your neck. At either end of the horseshoe are some buttons. If
>>>> you're using a computer, only the volume buttons matter, but if you're
>>>> using
>>>> a Bluetooth audio file playing device, you can also play and pause and
>>>> skip
>>>> tracks. If it's a phone, you can pick up and talk because there is a
>>>> mic
>>>> built in. The headphones are ear buds, and if you aren't using them,
>>>> they
>>>> magnetically clip into the horseshoe thing, so you can use one for
>>>> meetings
>>>> and both for the rest of the time.
>>>>
>>>> It's like $80, but I bought it used for $35 on the Amazon Warehouse,
>>>> and
>>>> they work perfectly well. With my new surface pro 2 and these
>>>> headphones,
>>>> I
>>>> am quite tech happy at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Note: JAWS on my tablet works really well with these, but Voiceover on
>>>> my
>>>> iPhone, for some reason, does not. Voiceover cuts in and out and is
>>>> basically useless.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Shannon
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:39 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls:
>>>> devices
>>>> /
>>>> strategies?
>>>>
>>>> What blue tooth head phones?
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Shannon Geihsler
>>>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>>>> 1001 Main Street, Suite 803
>>>> Lubbock, Texas 79423
>>>> Phone: (806) 763-3999
>>>> Mobile:  (806) 781-9296
>>>> Fax:  (806) 749-3752
>>>> E-Mail:  sbg at sbgaal.com
>>>>
>>>> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged
>>>> and/or
>>>> attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
>>>> review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without
>>>> express
>>>> permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended
>>>> recipient,
>>>> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sy
>>>> Hoekstra
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:52 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls:
>>>> devices
>>>> /
>>>> strategies?
>>>>
>>>> I am now using a Surface Pro 2 with Windows 8.1, JAWS, the type cover
>>>> 2
>>>> keyboard, and Bluetooth headphones. It's a tablet, so it's light,
>>>> incredibly
>>>> fast processing, and, you know, it's a full computer. Also, it boots
>>>> up
>>>> ridiculously quickly, like faster than any computer I have ever seen.
>>>> Totally off to fully ready to run with jaws open is about 15 seconds.
>>>> About
>>>> another 10 to sign in with your user name and have jaws open again and
>>>> ready
>>>> to go. I've actually timed it.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
>>>> Matney
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:13 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls:
>>>> devices
>>>> /
>>>> strategies?
>>>>
>>>> I've just recently started using a Perkins Mini, a sixteen-cell
>>>> braille
>>>> display. This unit weighs about a pound. It doesn't quite have the
>>>> features
>>>> of the Braille Sense U2 devices discussed by others, but it meets my
>>>> needs
>>>> (and is less expensive). This machine does not have speech output. You
>>>> can
>>>> use it as a braille display via bluetooth or USB, but it also has
>>>> several
>>>> internal apps. The most useful of these are the notetaker and the book
>>>> reader. The machine uses MicroSDHC cards and USB flash drives to store
>>>> books
>>>> and notes.
>>>>
>>>> I sometimes use the Perkins Mini on its own to take notes in meetings.
>>>> I used it at a conference recently as a display for my iPhone. I used
>>>> AccessNote, the app released by the American Foundation for the Blind,
>>>> as
>>>> the notetaker. I used a bluetooth keyboard for input because I thought
>>>> the
>>>> keys on the Perkins Mini might be too noisy.
>>>>
>>>> The Mini charges via USB, which means that ou can get one of those
>>>> external
>>>> battery paks for smart phones and charge it that way.
>>>>
>>>> I like being able to use the Mini with my iPhone, and I really like
>>>> the
>>>> capability to take notes on the device itself.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, if you need speech, this won't work for you. But if you are
>>>> a
>>>> braille user, the Mini is worth considering. I like not having to use
>>>> an
>>>> earphone.
>>>>
>>>> You can find more info at www.perkinsproducts.org.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/9/14, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I use a laptop. The only issue is battery life at times.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/9/14, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      I would suggest looking at the Hims Braille Sense U2. It is a
>>>>>> notetaker with a 32 cell braille display. It can use speech, but I
>>>>>> turned speech off and use the braille display. The U2 can provide
>>>>>> files in various formats and when you want your notes on a PC, the
>>>>>> files can  be transferred.
>>>>>> See the site www.hims-inc.com. Hope this helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Amar
>>>>>> Jain
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 PM
>>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Jotting down notes in meetis / on calls: devices
>>>>>> / strategies?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear List Members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the challenge which I have now started facing is to take
>>>>>> notes
>>>>>> during meetings or on calls whether internal or external.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the issue is of portability of devices, and other is the most
>>>>>> efficient way to do it within the short span of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the strategies which members on the list adopt to do the
>>>>>> same?
>>>>>> My
>>>>>> typing speed is reasonable enough to match with the speed with which
>>>>>> we go, so as of now the uncomfortable way is to carry your laptop
>>>>>> along with headphones and take notes. This especially becomes more
>>>>>> challenging when you have phone in one ear and headphone in other
>>>>>> ear. And of course portability is another aspect of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, do notetakers in this situation help really? If someone can
>>>>>> throw
>>>>>> light on their usage and features it will be great. I am not well
>>>>>> equipped with the knowledge of notetakers. Which are the good
>>>>>> manufacturers of notetaker devices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is netbook with Jaws the other possible option? And lastly which I
>>>>>> can think of is the Bluetooth keyboard with Bluetooth headset and
>>>>>> smart phone.
>>>>>> How is that combo? What is the battery life of lets say IPhone and
>>>>>> Bluetooth Keyboard when used together?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not comfortable with the idea of recording first and then
>>>>>> transcribing the same into text. As that is time consuming.
>>>>>> Any suggestions will be deeply appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Amar Jain.
>>>>>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org (blindlaw at nfbnet.org)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2014 09:50:54 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Fw: Re:
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From blindlaw at nfbnet.org  Fri Apr  4 09:14:16 2014
From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org (blindlaw at nfbnet.org)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2014 10:14:16 +0100
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Looks as though this could have originated from a hacked email account.

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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Thu Apr 17 18:12:20 2014
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:12:20 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Microsoft and GW Micro  partnership on Office suite
Message-ID: <2F36F4C03D8B43098AEFF165C383EFB1@mycomputer>

For those who did not hear about the partnership between GW Micro's Window
Eyes and the Microsoft office suite deal, I have copied and pasted the
article about it below.
This article was ppublished back in January of this year.
The article I have copied and pasted below can be read on its original web
site at:

http://www.wpcentral.com/office-addon-visually-impaired#main-content

 

Microsoft partners with GW Micro to help the visually impaired when using
Office SOFTWARE

By Michael Archambault,

Tuesday, Jan 14, 2014 at 6:00 pm 

Windows-Eyes for Office

If you or someone you know has poor vision and has been struggling to use 

Microsoft's suite of Office software, than you will be happy to hear of the
company's partnership with GW Micro. A technology vendor that provides "high
quality solutions for the

blind and visually impaired", GW Micro, has created a Windows Office 2010 or
2013 addon available to those who might need a bit of help perceiving what
is on-screen.

GW Micro provides a piece of software known as, Windows-Eyes; it normally
runs for $895 and allows users to enjoy a more customizable screen reader
that

allows you to have "total control over what you hear and how you hear it".
The software that the company has made available for free is entitled,
Windows-Eyes for Office, and allows those who need the assistance to receive
it within the Office productivity suite for no additional charge.

Complete requirements for the download include having Microsoft Office 2010
or 2013, along with running one of the following operating systems: 

Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista, or Windows XP. To download the
application, you can, click here.

Let us know if Windows-Eyes for Office helps anyone you know (or even
yourself).

 

Source: 

Microsoft

 

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Apr 18 16:48:36 2014
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Apr 18 16:01:47 2014
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:01:47 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice
In-Reply-To: <98A98D365DA17347B0FA3158D79B489447A9E460@DPRC-EXCH-P07.JCONMAIL.doj.gov>
References: <CB04FF60A875CE44A6688979D1B4F000035A3D4FBA@GSD-MBX-RDC06.gsd.doj.gov>
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	<98A98D365DA17347B0FA3158D79B489447A9E460@DPRC-EXCH-P07.JCONMAIL.doj.gov>
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fyi

 

From: Hunter, Sue (JMD) [mailto:Sue.Hunter at usdoj.gov] 
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 10:00 AM
To: Hunter, Sue (JMD)
Subject: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice

 

Below is a list of current attorney vacancies at the United States
Department of Justice. We encourage all interested applicants to apply;

 

To learn more about Justice and our legal careers, please visit our website:
www.justice.gov/careers/legal/. 

In addition, every year over 1,800 volunteer legal interns serve in DOJ
components and U.S. Attorneys’ Offices throughout the country. If you know
any law students who may be interested in a DOJ volunteer internship, please
encourage them to review the many opportunities featured at
www.justice.gov/careers/legal/volunteer-intern.html.  


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 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/fy-2014-edmi-11-ausa.htm>
Vacancy Announcement Opportunity for Appointment as Assistant United States
Attorney United States Attorney's Office Eastern District of Michigan
Vacancy #FY 2014-EDMI-11-AUSA Applications must be received and/or
postmarked by April 28, 2014.
Date posted: 04-17-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/14-edmo-04a.htm> U.S. Department
of Justice Criminal Assistant United States Attorney United States
Attorney's Office Eastern District of Missouri St. Louis, Missouri Opening
and Closing date: April 16 - 22, 2014 2 vacancies 14-EDMO-04A.
Date posted: 04-16-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/14-edmo-03a.htm> U.S. Department
of Justice Special Assistant United States Attorney (Hidta) United States
Attorney's Office Eastern District of Missouri St. Louis, Missouri Opening
and Closing Date: April 16 - 22, 2014.
Date posted: 04-16-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/14-att-003.htm> United States
Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, Policy and Strategy Section
Deputy Chief (Supervisory Attorney Adviser), GS-905-15 Announcement Number:
14-ATT-003 Applications are being accepted from Tuesday, April 08, 2014 to
11:59 PM (ETZ) on Tuesday, April 29, 2014.
Date posted: 04-16-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/14-att-002.htm> United States
Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, Policy and Strategy Section
Legislative and Policy Counsel (Attorney Adviser), GS-905-12/15 Announcement
Number: 14-ATT-002 Applications are being accepted from Tuesday, April 08,
2014 to 11:59 PM (ETZ) on Tuesday, April 29, 2014.
Date posted: 04-16-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/usao-ok.htm> Special Assistant
United States Attorney (Criminal) (Uncompensated) United States Attorney's
Office Northern District of Oklahoma Position open until filled.
Date posted: 04-15-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/14-ndca-1097012-05.htm> U.S.
Department of Justice Assistant United States Attorney United States
Attorney's Office Northern District of California (Tax Division) Salary:
$60,854 to $157,000 Opening and Closing date: April 14, 2014 to April 18,
2014 Vacancy Announcement Number #14-NDCA-1097012-05 (Tax)
Date posted: 04-15-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/14-nflausa-02a.htm> U.S.
Department of Justice Assistant United States Attorney United States
Attorney's Office Northern District of Florida Closing Date: April 28, 2014
14-NFLAUSA-02A Applications must be received by COB (5:00pm Eastern/4:00pm
Central) on April 28, 2014.
Date posted: 04-14-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/14-sd-civil-004.htm> Assistant
United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office District of South
Dakota 14-SD -Civil-004 Applications must be received by April 18, 2014.
Date posted: 04-14-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/eoust-14-16-14001.htm> U.S.
Department of Justice Executive Office for U.S. Trustees Office of General
Counsel Washington, D.C. (2) Experienced Trial Attorneys, Chapter 11
GS-905-14/15 - Detail NTE 1 Year Announcement Number 14-16-14001 Open:
04/14/2014 Close: 04/28/14 Résumés and application packages must be received
by midnight of the closing date of the announcement April 28, 2014.
Date posted: 04-14-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/atr-fcs.htm> Trial Attorneys
(GS-905-14/15) U.S. Department Justice Antitrust Division Foreign Commerce
Section Applications under this announcement will be accepted until May 12,
2014.
Date posted: 04-14-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/14-ut-03.htm> U.S. Department of
Justice Assistant United States Attorney United States Attorney's Office
District of Utah 14-UT-03 Applications must be postmarked no later than
April 18, 2014.
Date posted: 04-14-2014 


 <http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/jobs/neroseatyvacancyann2014.htm>
Senior Attorney-Advisor Federal Bureau of Prisons Northeast Regional Office
(Consolidated Legal Center) Philadelphia, Pennsylvania GS-905-12/13/14 This
position is open until filled, but no later than April 25, 2014.
Date posted: 04-11-2014 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 


 

 

		

 


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 18:48:37 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:48:37 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Wishing you a Happy Easter!
Message-ID: <759C7262-A834-444D-B5E3-ADF647A7C49A@gmail.com>

Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to wish you a Happy Easter today! Hope you are having a great time today! with your families and friends!! God bless you! all! Hope to hear from you soon! 

Sent from my iPhone

From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Sun Apr 20 20:35:33 2014
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:35:33 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Warning to jaws users
Message-ID: <714E1678440C4BB3A3FCA0A0519D2AE0@mycomputer>

This notice is particularly important for those practicing law who use JAWS.
I picked this up from a JAWS list that I belong to.
Ross A. Doerr Esq.
Admitted to the practice of law in
Maine and New Hampshire
F. Ct. Admisions:
ME & N.H.
 
I just received a phone call from one of the individuals we serve reporting
on a call that concerned him. The unsolicited call was from a man who said
that the individual's copy of JAWS has caused a virus in his computer. The
man would repair the computer if the individual could simply turn it on, go
to a specified site (my caller could not remember where) and type in a few
numbers. He immediately knew something was not right and did not turn on his
computer nor comply in any way with the person. The person gave him a call
back number, which was 347-871-5995.

　

I checked that number and it is all over the Internet as a scam. The part
that concerns me most is that the individual who called me was identified as
a JAWS user by the scammer. I don't know if a Freedom Scientific database
was hacked or what, but I feel it is important for

you all to have a heads up on this in case individuals call. Most

may know not to do anything, but some may be naive and think there truly is
a problem. Let's hope no one gets caught.

　


From christinebranum at centurytel.net  Mon Apr 21 01:34:37 2014
From: christinebranum at centurytel.net (Tina)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 20:34:37 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Wishing you a Happy Easter!
In-Reply-To: <759C7262-A834-444D-B5E3-ADF647A7C49A@gmail.com>
References: <759C7262-A834-444D-B5E3-ADF647A7C49A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94471DD9FEFF46BBA1A9E20A8DA35E3F@Christine>

Thank you for the good wishes. I'm returning t

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From: "Helga Schreiber" <helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:48 PM
To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [blindlaw] Wishing you a Happy Easter!

> Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to wish you a Happy 
> Easter today! Hope you are having a great time today! with your families 
> and friends!! God bless you! all! Hope to hear from you soon!
. God Bless.he sentiment>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 21 09:06:43 2014
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 02:06:43 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Warning to jaws users
In-Reply-To: <714E1678440C4BB3A3FCA0A0519D2AE0@mycomputer>
References: <714E1678440C4BB3A3FCA0A0519D2AE0@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <F583FED39DC84475BFA94582AB5CDFF5@Spike>

contact Freedom Scientific with the information you posted.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ross Doerr" <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:35 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Warning to jaws users


> This notice is particularly important for those practicing law who use 
> JAWS.
> I picked this up from a JAWS list that I belong to.
> Ross A. Doerr Esq.
> Admitted to the practice of law in
> Maine and New Hampshire
> F. Ct. Admisions:
> ME & N.H.
>
> I just received a phone call from one of the individuals we serve 
> reporting
> on a call that concerned him. The unsolicited call was from a man who said
> that the individual's copy of JAWS has caused a virus in his computer. The
> man would repair the computer if the individual could simply turn it on, 
> go
> to a specified site (my caller could not remember where) and type in a few
> numbers. He immediately knew something was not right and did not turn on 
> his
> computer nor comply in any way with the person. The person gave him a call
> back number, which was 347-871-5995.
>
> 　
>
> I checked that number and it is all over the Internet as a scam. The part
> that concerns me most is that the individual who called me was identified 
> as
> a JAWS user by the scammer. I don't know if a Freedom Scientific database
> was hacked or what, but I feel it is important for
>
> you all to have a heads up on this in case individuals call. Most
>
> may know not to do anything, but some may be naive and think there truly 
> is
> a problem. Let's hope no one gets caught.
>
> 　
>
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From rumpole at roadrunner.com  Mon Apr 21 15:18:35 2014
From: rumpole at roadrunner.com (Ross Doerr)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:18:35 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Warning to jaws users
In-Reply-To: <F583FED39DC84475BFA94582AB5CDFF5@Spike>
References: <714E1678440C4BB3A3FCA0A0519D2AE0@mycomputer>
	<F583FED39DC84475BFA94582AB5CDFF5@Spike>
Message-ID: <850874E059BE44688021BB5CE3B3E2B6@mycomputer>

Chuck, they've already been contacted. I posted it to warn practicing
attorneys about any of their staff granting access to one of these sam
artists.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 5:07 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Warning to jaws users

contact Freedom Scientific with the information you posted.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Doerr" <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:35 PM
Subject: [blindlaw] Warning to jaws users


> This notice is particularly important for those practicing law who use 
> JAWS.
> I picked this up from a JAWS list that I belong to.
> Ross A. Doerr Esq.
> Admitted to the practice of law in
> Maine and New Hampshire
> F. Ct. Admisions:
> ME & N.H.
>
> I just received a phone call from one of the individuals we serve 
> reporting
> on a call that concerned him. The unsolicited call was from a man who said
> that the individual's copy of JAWS has caused a virus in his computer. The
> man would repair the computer if the individual could simply turn it on, 
> go
> to a specified site (my caller could not remember where) and type in a few
> numbers. He immediately knew something was not right and did not turn on 
> his
> computer nor comply in any way with the person. The person gave him a call
> back number, which was 347-871-5995.
>
> 　
>
> I checked that number and it is all over the Internet as a scam. The part
> that concerns me most is that the individual who called me was identified 
> as
> a JAWS user by the scammer. I don't know if a Freedom Scientific database
> was hacked or what, but I feel it is important for
>
> you all to have a heads up on this in case individuals call. Most
>
> may know not to do anything, but some may be naive and think there truly 
> is
> a problem. Let's hope no one gets caught.
>
> 　
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 18:52:08 2014
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:52:08 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions
Message-ID: <DE9CBEFF-3164-47CE-A94F-C7B32BDC19CF@gmail.com>

Hello everyone. I hope this email finds you all well.  My name is Aimee. I am seriously considering law school. I have read about the issues with the LSAT and would like to see if anyone has any suggestions and or recommendations to make that process more successful. I haven't narrowed down what schools I would be most interested in attending. I would like to see if there are schools that are more blind friendly than others. Could some of you please tell me about your experiences at the schools you attended? How difficult was it to juggle the 16 hour semesters and what methods did you use to accomplish all of the reading, assignments, outlining, and or whatever methods used to keep everything straight. Sighted people use highlighters, underlining, and many other visual aids to manage the massive amount of information covered in law school. How will a blind person manage all of this information so that when it comes exam time, I won't be studying unnecessary information. I totally understand that this will be totally different than undergrad and really would like some insight on how we manage it all. 

Everyone says I will make a great lawyer. It is really great to have the genuine support from those who know me well enough to make a statement regarding my suitability for the profession. I look forward to learning everything and anything related to being a lawyer. It is something I have been interested in doing sins I was a teenager. I just didn't have the connection to other blind individuals or organizations and didn't think Blind people could be lawyers. I wasn't introduced to JAWS and computers until long after high school. Here is a funny joke. I thought I would be able to be a horse trainer more than I would be able to be a lawyer. I suppose that was because I had been working with or at least riding horses since I was a young girl.I am going into law school as a non-traditional student. I am making a later in life career change. Unfortunately I am not able to do the horse life any more. The president of my chapter said to me one evening, "Why don't you go to law school?" I had already been thinking about it, but that was the start of this new chapter.  

Again, I really look forward to this journey and hearing the good, bad, and the ugly that you all have to share with me.


Aimee
Sent from my iPad

From awildheir at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 21:33:35 2014
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:33:35 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions
Message-ID: <ADDC57E8-2A5A-4037-8E55-BB88371C0A62@gmail.com>

Hello everyone. I hope this email finds you all well.  My name is Aimee. I am seriously considering law school. I have read about the issues with the LSAT and would like to see if anyone has any suggestions and or recommendations to make that process more successful. I haven't narrowed down what schools I would be most interested in attending. I would like to see if there are schools that are more blind friendly than others. Could some of you please tell me about your experiences at the schools you attended? How difficult was it to juggle the 16 hour semesters and what methods did you use to accomplish all of the reading, assignments, outlining, and or whatever methods used to keep everything straight. Sighted people use highlighters, underlining, and many other visual aids to manage the massive amount of information covered in law school. How will a blind person manage all of this information so that when it comes exam time, I won't be studying unnecessary information. I totally understand that this will be totally different than undergrad and really would like some insight on how we manage it all. 

Everyone says I will make a great lawyer. It is really great to have the genuine support from those who know me well enough to make a statement regarding my suitability for the profession. I look forward to learning everything and anything related to being a lawyer. It is something I have been interested in doing sins I was a teenager. I just didn't have the connection to other blind individuals or organizations and didn't think Blind people could be lawyers. I wasn't introduced to JAWS and computers until long after high school. Here is a funny joke. I thought I would be able to be a horse trainer more than I would be able to be a lawyer. I suppose that was because I had been working with or at least riding horses since I was a young girl.I am going into law school as a non-traditional student. I am making a later in life career change. Unfortunately I am not able to do the horse life any more. The president of my chapter said to me one evening, "Why don't you go to law school?" I had already been thinking about it, but that was the start of this new chapter.  

Again, I really look forward to this journey and hearing the good, bad, and the ugly that you all have to share with me.


Aimee
Sent from my iPad

From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 23 07:10:35 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 03:10:35 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions
In-Reply-To: <ADDC57E8-2A5A-4037-8E55-BB88371C0A62@gmail.com>
References: <ADDC57E8-2A5A-4037-8E55-BB88371C0A62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D214827477F9401AA64FB4A051C51F18@Helga>

Hi Aimee, this is Helga! That's great that you are persuing the carreer  of 
becoming a lawyer. In fact, I also want to become a lawyer in order to 
advocate for the disabled individuals and students, including visually 
impaired individuals and students in order to help them get the rights that 
they are entitle to. Actually, I'm not able to answer all your questions 
right now since I'm not in Law school due to the fact that I'm stil in 
college completing my Associates of Arts Degree, and I have a long time of a 
journey before I even get there! However, I always like to hear stories of 
people like you who are persuing this carreer since they motivate me and 
specially if that person is visually impaired or blind. I actually have a 
long story about how I became blind, but this circumstance  didn't stop me 
so that I could fulfill my dreams. I will really like to talk to you!, but 
only if you want of course!  Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you so much 
for listening to me and God bless!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Aimee Harwood
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 5:33 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions

Hello everyone. I hope this email finds you all well.  My name is Aimee. I 
am seriously considering law school. I have read about the issues with the 
LSAT and would like to see if anyone has any suggestions and or 
recommendations to make that process more successful. I haven't narrowed 
down what schools I would be most interested in attending. I would like to 
see if there are schools that are more blind friendly than others. Could 
some of you please tell me about your experiences at the schools you 
attended? How difficult was it to juggle the 16 hour semesters and what 
methods did you use to accomplish all of the reading, assignments, 
outlining, and or whatever methods used to keep everything straight. Sighted 
people use highlighters, underlining, and many other visual aids to manage 
the massive amount of information covered in law school. How will a blind 
person manage all of this information so that when it comes exam time, I 
won't be studying unnecessary information. I totally understand that this 
will be totally different than undergrad and really would like some insight 
on how we manage it all.

Everyone says I will make a great lawyer. It is really great to have the 
genuine support from those who know me well enough to make a statement 
regarding my suitability for the profession. I look forward to learning 
everything and anything related to being a lawyer. It is something I have 
been interested in doing sins I was a teenager. I just didn't have the 
connection to other blind individuals or organizations and didn't think 
Blind people could be lawyers. I wasn't introduced to JAWS and computers 
until long after high school. Here is a funny joke. I thought I would be 
able to be a horse trainer more than I would be able to be a lawyer. I 
suppose that was because I had been working with or at least riding horses 
since I was a young girl.I am going into law school as a non-traditional 
student. I am making a later in life career change. Unfortunately I am not 
able to do the horse life any more. The president of my chapter said to me 
one evening, "Why don't you go to law school?" I had already been thinking 
about it, but that was the start of this new chapter.

Again, I really look forward to this journey and hearing the good, bad, and 
the ugly that you all have to share with me.


Aimee
Sent from my iPad
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From laura.wolk at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 10:46:10 2014
From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 06:46:10 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] journals
Message-ID: <CAHG6wD7Hp9m=+K3bDuUvhZ+vCZJAdP3n553kKyMnYsh-7HVowA@mail.gmail.com>

hello all

if anyone was on a journal while in law school, ifyou can email me any
tips about how to get better at cite-checking using jaws only, or any
pre-emptive steps you took prior to your 2l years starting to help
ensure you could edit eefficiently, and/or any accomodations you asked
for, please let me know.

Thanks,
Laura


From awildheir at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 12:00:29 2014
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:00:29 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] journals
In-Reply-To: <CAHG6wD7Hp9m=+K3bDuUvhZ+vCZJAdP3n553kKyMnYsh-7HVowA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHG6wD7Hp9m=+K3bDuUvhZ+vCZJAdP3n553kKyMnYsh-7HVowA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F35C5A2B-34BE-4D10-AF66-AE8B1C10F600@gmail.com>

For those of us working towards or those in law school, I would like to see the answers to this question.

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hello all
> 
> if anyone was on a journal while in law school, ifyou can email me any
> tips about how to get better at cite-checking using jaws only, or any
> pre-emptive steps you took prior to your 2l years starting to help
> ensure you could edit eefficiently, and/or any accomodations you asked
> for, please let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> Laura
> 
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 12:24:59 2014
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 13:24:59 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] journals
In-Reply-To: <F35C5A2B-34BE-4D10-AF66-AE8B1C10F600@gmail.com>
References: <CAHG6wD7Hp9m=+K3bDuUvhZ+vCZJAdP3n553kKyMnYsh-7HVowA@mail.gmail.com>
	<F35C5A2B-34BE-4D10-AF66-AE8B1C10F600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZitz+fX9BBJxpftPg0F1Y2CNzTVhViZX4-w7hMx8+puTSpgQ@mail.gmail.com>

An interesting discussion, I would be grateful for any responses.

Ger

On 4/24/14, Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com> wrote:
> For those of us working towards or those in law school, I would like to see
> the answers to this question.
>
> Aimee
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> hello all
>>
>> if anyone was on a journal while in law school, ifyou can email me any
>> tips about how to get better at cite-checking using jaws only, or any
>> pre-emptive steps you took prior to your 2l years starting to help
>> ensure you could edit eefficiently, and/or any accomodations you asked
>> for, please let me know.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Laura
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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From mnowicki4 at icloud.com  Fri Apr 25 19:14:02 2014
From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michael Nowicki)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:14:02 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel
Message-ID: <000001cf60ba$85ac7850$910568f0$@com>

Dear list members,

 

I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have taken the
LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably remember that it
contains one scored logic games section consisting of four games in which
the testtaker must sequence, match, distribute, and/or select entities.
This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because the
key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively organizes the
players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me to use Excel for this
task, which, in my opinion, is the best strategy for attacking games.  While
working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a major
obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.

 

Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games which
include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks you to first
distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the elements in each
group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is that I am unable to
incorporate multiple actions into a single sketch, a task sighted people can
easily perform, because of the limitations of Excel spreadsheets.
Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, but
this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed standardized test
like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon realizing this, I reached out
to the Kaplan instructor teaching the class in which I am enrolled, but he
doesn't have any ideas.  Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person
providing accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how I
could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no other
Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; indeed, this is a
very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local blindness organizations
for assistance, but none of them was able to help.

 

That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list would
be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know that there are
blind people who received high LSAT scores with the help of Excel, so if any
of you are on this list, please contact me either on or off list.  Also, if
any of you happen to know someone who falls into this category, please put
me in touch with that person as soon as possible.  Thank you in advance for
your help.

 

Best Regards,

 

Michal Nowicki


From cannona at fireantproductions.com  Fri Apr 25 19:59:12 2014
From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:59:12 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel
In-Reply-To: <000001cf60ba$85ac7850$910568f0$@com>
References: <000001cf60ba$85ac7850$910568f0$@com>
Message-ID: <CAERFoOgATWm_b-BS1gUt_jH83tXLg--fW5s_SLkVSZtUSLRWUw@mail.gmail.com>

Could you give an example of a question which is of the type you are
having difficulty with?  That might enable some folks on the list to
explain how they would solve it, which then might give you some ideas
which you can generalize.

Aaron

On 4/25/14, Michael Nowicki <mnowicki4 at icloud.com> wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
>
>
> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have taken
> the
> LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably remember that it
> contains one scored logic games section consisting of four games in which
> the testtaker must sequence, match, distribute, and/or select entities.
> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because the
> key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively organizes the
> players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me to use Excel for this
> task, which, in my opinion, is the best strategy for attacking games.
> While
> working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a major
> obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.
>
>
>
> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games which
> include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks you to first
> distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the elements in each
> group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is that I am unable to
> incorporate multiple actions into a single sketch, a task sighted people
> can
> easily perform, because of the limitations of Excel spreadsheets.
> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, but
> this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed standardized test
> like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon realizing this, I reached out
> to the Kaplan instructor teaching the class in which I am enrolled, but he
> doesn't have any ideas.  Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person
> providing accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how I
> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no other
> Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; indeed, this is a
> very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local blindness organizations
> for assistance, but none of them was able to help.
>
>
>
> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list would
> be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know that there are
> blind people who received high LSAT scores with the help of Excel, so if
> any
> of you are on this list, please contact me either on or off list.  Also, if
> any of you happen to know someone who falls into this category, please put
> me in touch with that person as soon as possible.  Thank you in advance for
> your help.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Michal Nowicki
>
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Fri Apr 25 20:05:06 2014
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:05:06 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel
In-Reply-To: <000001cf60ba$85ac7850$910568f0$@com>
References: <000001cf60ba$85ac7850$910568f0$@com>
Message-ID: <014A12FE-8E10-4C55-8AA3-F36A2FA4E15C@gmail.com>

I hope you, actually we because I need these answers as well, get some answers. However, I have posed questions to the group as well as expressed interest in the answers posed by a couple other new people and have not yet seen those questions answered.  Hopefully that will change. I would like to think that of all people, those who are blind or visually impaired and have already been down this road would be the ones we could hope to get answers from. If not answers, at least relate to the issues we are having. They are the best candidates to be our mentors of some sort.

I would also like to ask you Michael for the info regarding Kaplan's LSAT course.

Aimee
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:14 PM, Michael Nowicki <mnowicki4 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> 
> 
> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have taken the
> LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably remember that it
> contains one scored logic games section consisting of four games in which
> the testtaker must sequence, match, distribute, and/or select entities.
> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because the
> key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively organizes the
> players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me to use Excel for this
> task, which, in my opinion, is the best strategy for attacking games.  While
> working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a major
> obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.
> 
> 
> 
> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games which
> include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks you to first
> distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the elements in each
> group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is that I am unable to
> incorporate multiple actions into a single sketch, a task sighted people can
> easily perform, because of the limitations of Excel spreadsheets.
> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, but
> this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed standardized test
> like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon realizing this, I reached out
> to the Kaplan instructor teaching the class in which I am enrolled, but he
> doesn't have any ideas.  Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person
> providing accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how I
> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no other
> Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; indeed, this is a
> very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local blindness organizations
> for assistance, but none of them was able to help.
> 
> 
> 
> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list would
> be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know that there are
> blind people who received high LSAT scores with the help of Excel, so if any
> of you are on this list, please contact me either on or off list.  Also, if
> any of you happen to know someone who falls into this category, please put
> me in touch with that person as soon as possible.  Thank you in advance for
> your help.
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Michal Nowicki
> 
> _______________________________________________
> blindlaw mailing list
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From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com  Fri Apr 25 20:17:08 2014
From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sy Hoekstra)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:17:08 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions
In-Reply-To: <DE9CBEFF-3164-47CE-A94F-C7B32BDC19CF@gmail.com>
References: <DE9CBEFF-3164-47CE-A94F-C7B32BDC19CF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801cf60c3$56b7a980$0426fc80$@gmail.com>

Hi Amy,

I think the lack of response here is due to the fact that you ask a number
of large questions on which we could probably all write short books. I have
found though that the legal profession in general is pretty good about
accommodations, considering it is decently well-aware of the legal
obligations surrounding disability rights. I have had no trouble in law
school getting accommodations I need (I'm a 3L), and the LSAT, MPRE, and bar
exams are getting slowly more and more comfortable for visually impaired
people to get through. Though the accommodations process for the bar exam
can be a nightmare depending on the state you're in. I do all of my note
taking, outlining, and reading using JAWS, and I find that legal casebooks
are quite easy to get ahold of in electronic, accessible formats. 

If you have any things you are particularly worried about, I would certainly
be happy to answer questions.

Best regards,
Sy

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
Harwood
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:52 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions

Hello everyone. I hope this email finds you all well.  My name is Aimee. I
am seriously considering law school. I have read about the issues with the
LSAT and would like to see if anyone has any suggestions and or
recommendations to make that process more successful. I haven't narrowed
down what schools I would be most interested in attending. I would like to
see if there are schools that are more blind friendly than others. Could
some of you please tell me about your experiences at the schools you
attended? How difficult was it to juggle the 16 hour semesters and what
methods did you use to accomplish all of the reading, assignments,
outlining, and or whatever methods used to keep everything straight. Sighted
people use highlighters, underlining, and many other visual aids to manage
the massive amount of information covered in law school. How will a blind
person manage all of this information so that when it comes exam time, I
won't be studying unnecessary information. I totally understand that this
will be totally different than undergrad and really would like some insight
on how we manage it all. 

Everyone says I will make a great lawyer. It is really great to have the
genuine support from those who know me well enough to make a statement
regarding my suitability for the profession. I look forward to learning
everything and anything related to being a lawyer. It is something I have
been interested in doing sins I was a teenager. I just didn't have the
connection to other blind individuals or organizations and didn't think
Blind people could be lawyers. I wasn't introduced to JAWS and computers
until long after high school. Here is a funny joke. I thought I would be
able to be a horse trainer more than I would be able to be a lawyer. I
suppose that was because I had been working with or at least riding horses
since I was a young girl.I am going into law school as a non-traditional
student. I am making a later in life career change. Unfortunately I am not
able to do the horse life any more. The president of my chapter said to me
one evening, "Why don't you go to law school?" I had already been thinking
about it, but that was the start of this new chapter.  

Again, I really look forward to this journey and hearing the good, bad, and
the ugly that you all have to share with me.


Aimee
Sent from my iPad
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From al.elia at aol.com  Fri Apr 25 20:43:22 2014
From: al.elia at aol.com (Al Elia)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:43:22 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel
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Thank you very much!

Best,

Al, who is brusquer than usual because he's typing on an iPhone.

> On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com> wrote:
> 
> Could you give an example of a question which is of the type you are
> having difficulty with?  That might enable some folks on the list to
> explain how they would solve it, which then might give you some ideas
> which you can generalize.
> 
> Aaron
> 
>> On 4/25/14, Michael Nowicki <mnowicki4 at icloud.com> wrote:
>> Dear list members,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have taken
>> the
>> LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably remember that it
>> contains one scored logic games section consisting of four games in which
>> the testtaker must sequence, match, distribute, and/or select entities.
>> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because the
>> key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively organizes the
>> players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me to use Excel for this
>> task, which, in my opinion, is the best strategy for attacking games.
>> While
>> working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a major
>> obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games which
>> include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks you to first
>> distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the elements in each
>> group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is that I am unable to
>> incorporate multiple actions into a single sketch, a task sighted people
>> can
>> easily perform, because of the limitations of Excel spreadsheets.
>> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, but
>> this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed standardized test
>> like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon realizing this, I reached out
>> to the Kaplan instructor teaching the class in which I am enrolled, but he
>> doesn't have any ideas.  Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person
>> providing accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how I
>> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no other
>> Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; indeed, this is a
>> very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local blindness organizations
>> for assistance, but none of them was able to help.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list would
>> be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know that there are
>> blind people who received high LSAT scores with the help of Excel, so if
>> any
>> of you are on this list, please contact me either on or off list.  Also, if
>> any of you happen to know someone who falls into this category, please put
>> me in touch with that person as soon as possible.  Thank you in advance for
>> your help.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Michal Nowicki
>> 
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Fri Apr 25 20:58:26 2014
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:58:26 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions
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Thank you very much Sy.

I really have my heart set on Penn State. I spoke to someone there yesterday who answered a lot of my questions and clarified some things for me especially about how they view the extra time accommodation.

Do you find it difficult or at least a struggle to do everything that needs to be done say read all the material, do your outlines, and whatever other assignments in a day's time? Given the nature of visual impairments and the extra time it takes us to do the same thing as a sighted person does, what will it be like? I've been out of college for 11 years. I just want to hear what it is like for a visually impaired person to be successful in law school. What have you found to be the most effective and efficient methods?

Think I'll stop there for now. I am known for asking deep and somewhat obscure questions. :-)

Aimee
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2014, at 4:17 PM, "Sy Hoekstra" <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Amy,
> 
> I think the lack of response here is due to the fact that you ask a number
> of large questions on which we could probably all write short books. I have
> found though that the legal profession in general is pretty good about
> accommodations, considering it is decently well-aware of the legal
> obligations surrounding disability rights. I have had no trouble in law
> school getting accommodations I need (I'm a 3L), and the LSAT, MPRE, and bar
> exams are getting slowly more and more comfortable for visually impaired
> people to get through. Though the accommodations process for the bar exam
> can be a nightmare depending on the state you're in. I do all of my note
> taking, outlining, and reading using JAWS, and I find that legal casebooks
> are quite easy to get ahold of in electronic, accessible formats. 
> 
> If you have any things you are particularly worried about, I would certainly
> be happy to answer questions.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
> Harwood
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:52 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions
> 
> Hello everyone. I hope this email finds you all well.  My name is Aimee. I
> am seriously considering law school. I have read about the issues with the
> LSAT and would like to see if anyone has any suggestions and or
> recommendations to make that process more successful. I haven't narrowed
> down what schools I would be most interested in attending. I would like to
> see if there are schools that are more blind friendly than others. Could
> some of you please tell me about your experiences at the schools you
> attended? How difficult was it to juggle the 16 hour semesters and what
> methods did you use to accomplish all of the reading, assignments,
> outlining, and or whatever methods used to keep everything straight. Sighted
> people use highlighters, underlining, and many other visual aids to manage
> the massive amount of information covered in law school. How will a blind
> person manage all of this information so that when it comes exam time, I
> won't be studying unnecessary information. I totally understand that this
> will be totally different than undergrad and really would like some insight
> on how we manage it all. 
> 
> Everyone says I will make a great lawyer. It is really great to have the
> genuine support from those who know me well enough to make a statement
> regarding my suitability for the profession. I look forward to learning
> everything and anything related to being a lawyer. It is something I have
> been interested in doing sins I was a teenager. I just didn't have the
> connection to other blind individuals or organizations and didn't think
> Blind people could be lawyers. I wasn't introduced to JAWS and computers
> until long after high school. Here is a funny joke. I thought I would be
> able to be a horse trainer more than I would be able to be a lawyer. I
> suppose that was because I had been working with or at least riding horses
> since I was a young girl.I am going into law school as a non-traditional
> student. I am making a later in life career change. Unfortunately I am not
> able to do the horse life any more. The president of my chapter said to me
> one evening, "Why don't you go to law school?" I had already been thinking
> about it, but that was the start of this new chapter.  
> 
> Again, I really look forward to this journey and hearing the good, bad, and
> the ugly that you all have to share with me.
> 
> 
> Aimee
> Sent from my iPad
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> 
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From chris.stewart at uky.edu  Sat Apr 26 15:39:26 2014
From: chris.stewart at uky.edu (Stewart, Christopher K)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 11:39:26 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 119, Issue 19
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Hello All,
In response to Aimee's questions, I will e-mail you after finals. I
will tell you that I am a 1L and finished last semester ranked highly
in my class. Moreover, I just received a best brief award on our 1L
writing project and am working this summer in a paid position for the
attorney general of Kentucky. I have found that, in general, though
testing may take more time, the classwork itself is actually
reasonably similar if you're efficient about it. For instance, rather
than highlighting, I digitally copy important sentences from my
casebooks into my notes as a supplement to my casebriefs. Usually,
when I get called on in class, I've already located the meat of the
decision. This takes practice and critical reading coupled with a lot
of frustration.

It is important not to take shortcuts. You'll find some of your
classmates relying exclusively on Barbri study aids or Q&As, and you
may find yourself tempted to do the same. It's important to remember
that supplements are meant to do just that, supplement and can never
substitute for the critical reading process. This process will lead
you to better issue spotting on your exams. Exams are, afterall,
pretty much the only grade you will receive in most law school
classes. In fact, for all four of my doctrinal classes this semester,
the final exams are 100% of our final grade.

Now, as for the LSAT, I didn't take a prep course. I studied using
only materials available on Bookshare. This worked for me and saved me
a good deal of money. For the multi-factor logic questions, I
generally used a spreadsheet and a word document simultaneously. I
also relied heavily on my memory, which is a technique discouraged by
all of the prep books. However, prep books are neither written by nor
for blind individuals.
I received a 170 on my LSAT. I imagine that, had I used a prep course,
I probably would have scored a few points higher, but this was good
enough for my purposes.

Finally, you may find that people on this list do not respond as
quickly because much of the subscription base consists of
practicioners, many of whom went to law school in completely different
technological and accessibility times. Furthermore, I try with all my
power to never think about the LSAT now that it's over. If you'd like
to email me off list, my email is chris.stewart at uky.edu, and I'm happy
to answer any questions. I've been fortunate to have a blind 3L answer
many of my questions, and I would now like to pass that along.

Best,
Chris


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>    4. Re: New Member Intro and Questions (Sy Hoekstra)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:14:02 -0500
> From: Michael Nowicki <mnowicki4 at icloud.com>
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel
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>
> Dear list members,
>
>
>
> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have taken
> the
> LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably remember that it
> contains one scored logic games section consisting of four games in which
> the testtaker must sequence, match, distribute, and/or select entities.
> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because the
> key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively organizes the
> players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me to use Excel for this
> task, which, in my opinion, is the best strategy for attacking games.
> While
> working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a major
> obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.
>
>
>
> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games which
> include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks you to first
> distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the elements in each
> group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is that I am unable to
> incorporate multiple actions into a single sketch, a task sighted people
> can
> easily perform, because of the limitations of Excel spreadsheets.
> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, but
> this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed standardized test
> like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon realizing this, I reached out
> to the Kaplan instructor teaching the class in which I am enrolled, but he
> doesn't have any ideas.  Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person
> providing accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how I
> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no other
> Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; indeed, this is a
> very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local blindness organizations
> for assistance, but none of them was able to help.
>
>
>
> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list would
> be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know that there are
> blind people who received high LSAT scores with the help of Excel, so if
> any
> of you are on this list, please contact me either on or off list.  Also, if
> any of you happen to know someone who falls into this category, please put
> me in touch with that person as soon as possible.  Thank you in advance for
> your help.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Michal Nowicki
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:59:12 -0500
> From: Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Could you give an example of a question which is of the type you are
> having difficulty with?  That might enable some folks on the list to
> explain how they would solve it, which then might give you some ideas
> which you can generalize.
>
> Aaron
>
> On 4/25/14, Michael Nowicki <mnowicki4 at icloud.com> wrote:
>> Dear list members,
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have taken
>> the
>> LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably remember that it
>> contains one scored logic games section consisting of four games in which
>> the testtaker must sequence, match, distribute, and/or select entities.
>> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because the
>> key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively organizes
>> the
>> players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me to use Excel for
>> this
>> task, which, in my opinion, is the best strategy for attacking games.
>> While
>> working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a major
>> obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.
>>
>>
>>
>> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games which
>> include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks you to
>> first
>> distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the elements in each
>> group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is that I am unable to
>> incorporate multiple actions into a single sketch, a task sighted people
>> can
>> easily perform, because of the limitations of Excel spreadsheets.
>> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, but
>> this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed standardized test
>> like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon realizing this, I reached
>> out
>> to the Kaplan instructor teaching the class in which I am enrolled, but
>> he
>> doesn't have any ideas.  Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person
>> providing accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how
>> I
>> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no
>> other
>> Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; indeed, this is
>> a
>> very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local blindness
>> organizations
>> for assistance, but none of them was able to help.
>>
>>
>>
>> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list
>> would
>> be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know that there
>> are
>> blind people who received high LSAT scores with the help of Excel, so if
>> any
>> of you are on this list, please contact me either on or off list.  Also,
>> if
>> any of you happen to know someone who falls into this category, please
>> put
>> me in touch with that person as soon as possible.  Thank you in advance
>> for
>> your help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Michal Nowicki
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:05:06 -0400
> From: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel
> Message-ID: <014A12FE-8E10-4C55-8AA3-F36A2FA4E15C at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> I hope you, actually we because I need these answers as well, get some
> answers. However, I have posed questions to the group as well as expressed
> interest in the answers posed by a couple other new people and have not yet
> seen those questions answered.  Hopefully that will change. I would like to
> think that of all people, those who are blind or visually impaired and have
> already been down this road would be the ones we could hope to get answers
> from. If not answers, at least relate to the issues we are having. They are
> the best candidates to be our mentors of some sort.
>
> I would also like to ask you Michael for the info regarding Kaplan's LSAT
> course.
>
> Aimee
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:14 PM, Michael Nowicki <mnowicki4 at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear list members,
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have taken
>> the
>> LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably remember that it
>> contains one scored logic games section consisting of four games in which
>> the testtaker must sequence, match, distribute, and/or select entities.
>> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because the
>> key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively organizes
>> the
>> players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me to use Excel for
>> this
>> task, which, in my opinion, is the best strategy for attacking games.
>> While
>> working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a major
>> obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.
>>
>>
>>
>> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games which
>> include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks you to
>> first
>> distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the elements in each
>> group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is that I am unable to
>> incorporate multiple actions into a single sketch, a task sighted people
>> can
>> easily perform, because of the limitations of Excel spreadsheets.
>> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, but
>> this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed standardized test
>> like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon realizing this, I reached
>> out
>> to the Kaplan instructor teaching the class in which I am enrolled, but
>> he
>> doesn't have any ideas.  Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person
>> providing accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how
>> I
>> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no
>> other
>> Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; indeed, this is
>> a
>> very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local blindness
>> organizations
>> for assistance, but none of them was able to help.
>>
>>
>>
>> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list
>> would
>> be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know that there
>> are
>> blind people who received high LSAT scores with the help of Excel, so if
>> any
>> of you are on this list, please contact me either on or off list.  Also,
>> if
>> any of you happen to know someone who falls into this category, please
>> put
>> me in touch with that person as soon as possible.  Thank you in advance
>> for
>> your help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Michal Nowicki
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:17:08 -0400
> From: "Sy Hoekstra" <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions
> Message-ID: <001801cf60c3$56b7a980$0426fc80$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi Amy,
>
> I think the lack of response here is due to the fact that you ask a number
> of large questions on which we could probably all write short books. I have
> found though that the legal profession in general is pretty good about
> accommodations, considering it is decently well-aware of the legal
> obligations surrounding disability rights. I have had no trouble in law
> school getting accommodations I need (I'm a 3L), and the LSAT, MPRE, and
> bar
> exams are getting slowly more and more comfortable for visually impaired
> people to get through. Though the accommodations process for the bar exam
> can be a nightmare depending on the state you're in. I do all of my note
> taking, outlining, and reading using JAWS, and I find that legal casebooks
> are quite easy to get ahold of in electronic, accessible formats.
>
> If you have any things you are particularly worried about, I would
> certainly
> be happy to answer questions.
>
> Best regards,
> Sy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
> Harwood
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:52 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions
>
> Hello everyone. I hope this email finds you all well.  My name is Aimee. I
> am seriously considering law school. I have read about the issues with the
> LSAT and would like to see if anyone has any suggestions and or
> recommendations to make that process more successful. I haven't narrowed
> down what schools I would be most interested in attending. I would like to
> see if there are schools that are more blind friendly than others. Could
> some of you please tell me about your experiences at the schools you
> attended? How difficult was it to juggle the 16 hour semesters and what
> methods did you use to accomplish all of the reading, assignments,
> outlining, and or whatever methods used to keep everything straight.
> Sighted
> people use highlighters, underlining, and many other visual aids to manage
> the massive amount of information covered in law school. How will a blind
> person manage all of this information so that when it comes exam time, I
> won't be studying unnecessary information. I totally understand that this
> will be totally different than undergrad and really would like some insight
> on how we manage it all.
>
> Everyone says I will make a great lawyer. It is really great to have the
> genuine support from those who know me well enough to make a statement
> regarding my suitability for the profession. I look forward to learning
> everything and anything related to being a lawyer. It is something I have
> been interested in doing sins I was a teenager. I just didn't have the
> connection to other blind individuals or organizations and didn't think
> Blind people could be lawyers. I wasn't introduced to JAWS and computers
> until long after high school. Here is a funny joke. I thought I would be
> able to be a horse trainer more than I would be able to be a lawyer. I
> suppose that was because I had been working with or at least riding horses
> since I was a young girl.I am going into law school as a non-traditional
> student. I am making a later in life career change. Unfortunately I am not
> able to do the horse life any more. The president of my chapter said to me
> one evening, "Why don't you go to law school?" I had already been thinking
> about it, but that was the start of this new chapter.
>
> Again, I really look forward to this journey and hearing the good, bad, and
> the ugly that you all have to share with me.
>
>
> Aimee
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> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:43:22 -0400
> From: Al Elia <al.elia at aol.com>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel
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> Thank you very much!
>
> Best,
>
> Al, who is brusquer than usual because he's typing on an iPhone.
>
>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Aaron Cannon <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Could you give an example of a question which is of the type you are
>> having difficulty with?  That might enable some folks on the list to
>> explain how they would solve it, which then might give you some ideas
>> which you can generalize.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>> On 4/25/14, Michael Nowicki <mnowicki4 at icloud.com> wrote:
>>> Dear list members,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have taken
>>> the
>>> LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably remember that it
>>> contains one scored logic games section consisting of four games in
>>> which
>>> the testtaker must sequence, match, distribute, and/or select entities.
>>> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because
>>> the
>>> key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively organizes
>>> the
>>> players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me to use Excel for
>>> this
>>> task, which, in my opinion, is the best strategy for attacking games.
>>> While
>>> working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a major
>>> obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games which
>>> include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks you to
>>> first
>>> distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the elements in
>>> each
>>> group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is that I am unable to
>>> incorporate multiple actions into a single sketch, a task sighted people
>>> can
>>> easily perform, because of the limitations of Excel spreadsheets.
>>> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, but
>>> this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed standardized
>>> test
>>> like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon realizing this, I reached
>>> out
>>> to the Kaplan instructor teaching the class in which I am enrolled, but
>>> he
>>> doesn't have any ideas.  Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the
>>> person
>>> providing accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how
>>> I
>>> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no
>>> other
>>> Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; indeed, this is
>>> a
>>> very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local blindness
>>> organizations
>>> for assistance, but none of them was able to help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list
>>> would
>>> be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know that there
>>> are
>>> blind people who received high LSAT scores with the help of Excel, so if
>>> any
>>> of you are on this list, please contact me either on or off list.  Also,
>>> if
>>> any of you happen to know someone who falls into this category, please
>>> put
>>> me in touch with that person as soon as possible.  Thank you in advance
>>> for
>>> your help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michal Nowicki
>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:58:26 -0400
> From: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions
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> Thank you very much Sy.
>
> I really have my heart set on Penn State. I spoke to someone there yesterday
> who answered a lot of my questions and clarified some things for me
> especially about how they view the extra time accommodation.
>
> Do you find it difficult or at least a struggle to do everything that needs
> to be done say read all the material, do your outlines, and whatever other
> assignments in a day's time? Given the nature of visual impairments and the
> extra time it takes us to do the same thing as a sighted person does, what
> will it be like? I've been out of college for 11 years. I just want to hear
> what it is like for a visually impaired person to be successful in law
> school. What have you found to be the most effective and efficient methods?
>
> Think I'll stop there for now. I am known for asking deep and somewhat
> obscure questions. :-)
>
> Aimee
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 4:17 PM, "Sy Hoekstra" <sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Amy,
>>
>> I think the lack of response here is due to the fact that you ask a
>> number
>> of large questions on which we could probably all write short books. I
>> have
>> found though that the legal profession in general is pretty good about
>> accommodations, considering it is decently well-aware of the legal
>> obligations surrounding disability rights. I have had no trouble in law
>> school getting accommodations I need (I'm a 3L), and the LSAT, MPRE, and
>> bar
>> exams are getting slowly more and more comfortable for visually impaired
>> people to get through. Though the accommodations process for the bar exam
>> can be a nightmare depending on the state you're in. I do all of my note
>> taking, outlining, and reading using JAWS, and I find that legal
>> casebooks
>> are quite easy to get ahold of in electronic, accessible formats.
>>
>> If you have any things you are particularly worried about, I would
>> certainly
>> be happy to answer questions.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
>> Harwood
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:52 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions
>>
>> Hello everyone. I hope this email finds you all well.  My name is Aimee.
>> I
>> am seriously considering law school. I have read about the issues with
>> the
>> LSAT and would like to see if anyone has any suggestions and or
>> recommendations to make that process more successful. I haven't narrowed
>> down what schools I would be most interested in attending. I would like
>> to
>> see if there are schools that are more blind friendly than others. Could
>> some of you please tell me about your experiences at the schools you
>> attended? How difficult was it to juggle the 16 hour semesters and what
>> methods did you use to accomplish all of the reading, assignments,
>> outlining, and or whatever methods used to keep everything straight.
>> Sighted
>> people use highlighters, underlining, and many other visual aids to
>> manage
>> the massive amount of information covered in law school. How will a blind
>> person manage all of this information so that when it comes exam time, I
>> won't be studying unnecessary information. I totally understand that this
>> will be totally different than undergrad and really would like some
>> insight
>> on how we manage it all.
>>
>> Everyone says I will make a great lawyer. It is really great to have the
>> genuine support from those who know me well enough to make a statement
>> regarding my suitability for the profession. I look forward to learning
>> everything and anything related to being a lawyer. It is something I have
>> been interested in doing sins I was a teenager. I just didn't have the
>> connection to other blind individuals or organizations and didn't think
>> Blind people could be lawyers. I wasn't introduced to JAWS and computers
>> until long after high school. Here is a funny joke. I thought I would be
>> able to be a horse trainer more than I would be able to be a lawyer. I
>> suppose that was because I had been working with or at least riding
>> horses
>> since I was a young girl.I am going into law school as a non-traditional
>> student. I am making a later in life career change. Unfortunately I am
>> not
>> able to do the horse life any more. The president of my chapter said to
>> me
>> one evening, "Why don't you go to law school?" I had already been
>> thinking
>> about it, but that was the start of this new chapter.
>>
>> Again, I really look forward to this journey and hearing the good, bad,
>> and
>> the ugly that you all have to share with me.
>>
>>
>> Aimee
>> Sent from my iPad
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University of Kentucky College of Law, J.D. Candidate, 2016
California Institute of the Arts, B.F.A. 2010
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From mnowicki4 at icloud.com  Sat Apr 26 17:40:28 2014
From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michael Nowicki)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 12:40:28 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel
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Hi Amy,

I've been continuing to work on hybrid games all day yesterday, and I think
I figured out most of them.  Although I would love to give you the specifics
on how to tackle every type of game that has appeared on the LSAT, such
detailed feedback probably won't make much sense if you don't have access to
the games to work them out.  Therefore, I will provide general Excel
strategies for each pure game, as well as for attacking hybrids.

As you already know, there are four types of actions LSAT logic games test:
sequencing (scheduling auditions, ranking the participants of a contest,
arranging race horses in a straight line, etc.), matching (matching a car
with features, animals with colors, etc.), distribution (e.g.  dividing six
students into two groups of three), and, finally, selection (e.g.  choosing
four out of six available items for a display).  A pure game tests only one
of these actions, whereas a hybrid tests two, three, or, occasionally, all
four.  I will begin with Excel basics that I apply to all games.
Although horizontal and vertical approaches both work, I personally prefer
the former.  First, in order not to have to repeatedly refer to the opening
paragraph of each game, I list all entities (the players in the game) in the
top row(s) of the spreadsheet, with each entity in a separate column.  If a
game contains a single set of entities (e.g.  7 singers), then I list them
all in one row.  However, if there are multiple sets of entities (e.g.  six
cars and three options any of which a car may or may not have), then I list
one set in the top row and the others in subsequent rows.  This approach
allows me to keep the relationship between entities straight.

Below the entities, I draw the master sketch, which depends on the games
action(s).  The top row of my sequencing sketches contains a column for each
position in the sequence, while the bottom row is reserved for filling in
concrete information about specific entities.  For example, in a game that
requires you to schedule the performances of six musicians, I would set up
six columns numbered 1-6, and upon finding out the placement of a musician,
place him/her directly below the cell with the approapriate number.  For
matching and distribution games, I use the same type of sketch.  The columns
contain the fixed entities/groups, whereas rows contain the variable
entities.  Finally, selection games are the easiest to set up using Excel.
All you need is a "in" and an "out" column, and then you can place entities
in the appropriate one.  Personally, I almost always use two rows for each
master sketch, as this enables me to organize the information effectively
while, at the same time, keeping my diagram clean.  The only exception is
matching games consisting of three sets of entities.

Below the master sketch, I list the game's rules in 1 row with each rule in
a separate column.  If a rule contains formal logic (if x, then y), then I
list the contrapositive directly below the rule from which it is derived.
Below the rules, I note any important deductions that I was able to make,
also in a single row, with each deduction in a separate column.  If
possible, I align each deduction with the rule(s) from which it comes, but
this isn't that important.  The number of available deductions depends on
the number and nature  of rules that govern specific entities, as well as
limitations that restrict the game as a whole, so there won't always be any
deductions.  In that case, one should proceed straight to the questions.

Lastly, I utilize the remaining rows for scratchwork pertaining to
individual questions.  When answering logic games questions that introduce
new conditions, such as "If X performs third, which of the following must be
true?", you should never build such conditions into your master sketch
because they apply only to that question, not to the game as a whole.
Consequently, if you were to adjust your master sketch, you would have to
erase your work once you answered the question, which could lead to
potentially costly careless errors.  Instead, the best way to proceed is to
redraw the sketch for each new rule.

Hybrid games are obviously more complex, since they require keeping track of
multiple actions.  Despite Excel's limitations, though, it is still possible
to incorporate multiple actions into a single sketch.  The key to this is
identifying the order in which actions must be performed.  Unfortunately, I
am unable to explain this in greater detail without alluding extensively to
specific examples, but hybrid sketches seem to be most effective when built
around the primary action.

I hope that the above information will be helpful.  I realize that all of
these suggestions may sound overwhelming, so please feel free to follow up
with any questions.  Also, to answer your questions about Kaplan, the
company offers two types of LSAT programs:  private, one-on-one tutoring and
group classes.  Regardless of the option you choose (assuming, of course,
that you will at some point enroll in one of their courses) you can sign up
for an online class or an on site class.  All of this information is
provided, along with pricing, in greater detail on Kaplan's LSAT website
(www.kaplanlsat.com).  You can also call Kaplan customer service at
1-800-527-8378.  Good luck with your legal studies.

Michal


-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
Harwood
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 3:05 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel

I hope you, actually we because I need these answers as well, get some
answers. However, I have posed questions to the group as well as expressed
interest in the answers posed by a couple other new people and have not yet
seen those questions answered.  Hopefully that will change. I would like to
think that of all people, those who are blind or visually impaired and have
already been down this road would be the ones we could hope to get answers
from. If not answers, at least relate to the issues we are having. They are
the best candidates to be our mentors of some sort.

I would also like to ask you Michael for the info regarding Kaplan's LSAT
course.

Aimee
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:14 PM, Michael Nowicki <mnowicki4 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> 
> 
> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have 
> taken the LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably 
> remember that it contains one scored logic games section consisting of 
> four games in which the testtaker must sequence, match, distribute, and/or
select entities.
> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because 
> the key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively 
> organizes the players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me to 
> use Excel for this task, which, in my opinion, is the best strategy 
> for attacking games.  While working with specific game types, however, 
> I have encountered a major obstacle that I have not been able to overcome
thus far.
> 
> 
> 
> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games 
> which include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks 
> you to first distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the 
> elements in each group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is 
> that I am unable to incorporate multiple actions into a single sketch, 
> a task sighted people can easily perform, because of the limitations of
Excel spreadsheets.
> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, 
> but this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed 
> standardized test like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon 
> realizing this, I reached out to the Kaplan instructor teaching the 
> class in which I am enrolled, but he doesn't have any ideas.  
> Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person providing 
> accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how I 
> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no 
> other Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; 
> indeed, this is a very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local
blindness organizations for assistance, but none of them was able to help.
> 
> 
> 
> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list 
> would be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know that 
> there are blind people who received high LSAT scores with the help of 
> Excel, so if any of you are on this list, please contact me either on 
> or off list.  Also, if any of you happen to know someone who falls 
> into this category, please put me in touch with that person as soon as 
> possible.  Thank you in advance for your help.
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Michal Nowicki
> 
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From philosopher25 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 26 22:06:43 2014
From: philosopher25 at gmail.com (Sexton, bruce)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 14:06:43 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 119, Issue 19
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Dear Chris,

 

Thanks for taking time from your busy schedule to write.  

 

What book share books did you use?  I am using lsat clarity: the first
self-study guide, from book share. 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stewart,
Christopher K
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:39 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blindlaw Digest, Vol 119, Issue 19

 

Hello All,

In response to Aimee's questions, I will e-mail you after finals. I will
tell you that I am a 1L and finished last semester ranked highly in my
class. Moreover, I just received a best brief award on our 1L writing
project and am working this summer in a paid position for the attorney
general of Kentucky. I have found that, in general, though testing may take
more time, the classwork itself is actually reasonably similar if you're
efficient about it. For instance, rather than highlighting, I digitally copy
important sentences from my casebooks into my notes as a supplement to my
casebriefs. Usually, when I get called on in class, I've already located the
meat of the decision. This takes practice and critical reading coupled with
a lot of frustration.

 

It is important not to take shortcuts. You'll find some of your classmates
relying exclusively on Barbri study aids or Q&As, and you may find yourself
tempted to do the same. It's important to remember that supplements are
meant to do just that, supplement and can never substitute for the critical
reading process. This process will lead you to better issue spotting on your
exams. Exams are, afterall, pretty much the only grade you will receive in
most law school classes. In fact, for all four of my doctrinal classes this
semester, the final exams are 100% of our final grade.

 

Now, as for the LSAT, I didn't take a prep course. I studied using only
materials available on Bookshare. This worked for me and saved me a good
deal of money. For the multi-factor logic questions, I generally used a
spreadsheet and a word document simultaneously. I also relied heavily on my
memory, which is a technique discouraged by all of the prep books. However,
prep books are neither written by nor for blind individuals.

I received a 170 on my LSAT. I imagine that, had I used a prep course, I
probably would have scored a few points higher, but this was good enough for
my purposes.

 

Finally, you may find that people on this list do not respond as quickly
because much of the subscription base consists of practicioners, many of
whom went to law school in completely different technological and
accessibility times. Furthermore, I try with all my power to never think
about the LSAT now that it's over. If you'd like to email me off list, my
email is  <mailto:chris.stewart at uky.edu> chris.stewart at uky.edu, and I'm
happy to answer any questions. I've been fortunate to have a blind 3L answer
many of my questions, and I would now like to pass that along.

 

Best,

Chris

 

 

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> Dear list members,

> 

> 

> 

> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have 

> taken the LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably 

> remember that it contains one scored logic games section consisting of 

> four games in which the testtaker must sequence, match, distribute, 

> and/or select entities.

> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because 

> the key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively 

> organizes the players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me to 

> use Excel for this task, which, in my opinion, is the best strategy for
attacking games.

> While

> working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a major 

> obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.

> 

> 

> 

> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games 

> which include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks 

> you to first distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the 

> elements in each group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is 

> that I am unable to incorporate multiple actions into a single sketch, 

> a task sighted people can easily perform, because of the limitations 

> of Excel spreadsheets.

> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, 

> but this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed 

> standardized test like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon 

> realizing this, I reached out to the Kaplan instructor teaching the 

> class in which I am enrolled, but he doesn't have any ideas.  

> Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person providing 

> accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how I 

> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no 

> other Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; 

> indeed, this is a very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local
blindness organizations for assistance, but none of them was able to help.

> 

> 

> 

> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list 

> would be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know that 

> there are blind people who received high LSAT scores with the help of 

> Excel, so if any of you are on this list, please contact me either on 

> or off list.  Also, if any of you happen to know someone who falls 

> into this category, please put me in touch with that person as soon as 

> possible.  Thank you in advance for your help.

> 

> 

> 

> Best Regards,

> 

> 

> 

> Michal Nowicki

> 

> 

> 

> ------------------------------

> 

> Message: 2

> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:59:12 -0500

> From: Aaron Cannon < <mailto:cannona at fireantproductions.com>
cannona at fireantproductions.com>

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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel

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> Could you give an example of a question which is of the type you are 

> having difficulty with?  That might enable some folks on the list to 

> explain how they would solve it, which then might give you some ideas 

> which you can generalize.

> 

> Aaron

> 

> On 4/25/14, Michael Nowicki < <mailto:mnowicki4 at icloud.com>
mnowicki4 at icloud.com> wrote:

>> Dear list members,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have 

>> taken the LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably 

>> remember that it contains one scored logic games section consisting 

>> of four games in which the testtaker must sequence, match, 

>> distribute, and/or select entities.

>> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because 

>> the key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively 

>> organizes the players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me 

>> to use Excel for this task, which, in my opinion, is the best 

>> strategy for attacking games.

>> While

>> working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a major 

>> obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games 

>> which include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks 

>> you to first distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the 

>> elements in each group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is 

>> that I am unable to incorporate multiple actions into a single 

>> sketch, a task sighted people can easily perform, because of the 

>> limitations of Excel spreadsheets.

>> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, 

>> but this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed 

>> standardized test like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon 

>> realizing this, I reached out to the Kaplan instructor teaching the 

>> class in which I am enrolled, but he doesn't have any ideas.  

>> Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person providing 

>> accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how I 

>> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no 

>> other Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; 

>> indeed, this is a very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local 

>> blindness organizations for assistance, but none of them was able to 

>> help.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list 

>> would be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know 

>> that there are blind people who received high LSAT scores with the 

>> help of Excel, so if any of you are on this list, please contact me 

>> either on or off list.  Also, if any of you happen to know someone 

>> who falls into this category, please put me in touch with that person 

>> as soon as possible.  Thank you in advance for your help.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Best Regards,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Michal Nowicki

>> 

>> _______________________________________________

>> blindlaw mailing list

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>>  <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org>
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>> ntproductions.com

>> 

> 

> 

> 

> ------------------------------

> 

> Message: 3

> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:05:06 -0400

> From: Aimee Harwood < <mailto:awildheir at gmail.com> awildheir at gmail.com>

> To: Blind Law Mailing List < <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
blindlaw at nfbnet.org>

> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel

> Message-ID: < <mailto:014A12FE-8E10-4C55-8AA3-F36A2FA4E15C at gmail.com>
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> I hope you, actually we because I need these answers as well, get some 

> answers. However, I have posed questions to the group as well as 

> expressed interest in the answers posed by a couple other new people 

> and have not yet seen those questions answered.  Hopefully that will 

> change. I would like to think that of all people, those who are blind 

> or visually impaired and have already been down this road would be the 

> ones we could hope to get answers from. If not answers, at least 

> relate to the issues we are having. They are the best candidates to be our
mentors of some sort.

> 

> I would also like to ask you Michael for the info regarding Kaplan's 

> LSAT course.

> 

> Aimee

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:14 PM, Michael Nowicki <
<mailto:mnowicki4 at icloud.com> mnowicki4 at icloud.com>

>> wrote:

>> 

>> Dear list members,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have 

>> taken the LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably 

>> remember that it contains one scored logic games section consisting 

>> of four games in which the testtaker must sequence, match, 

>> distribute, and/or select entities.

>> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test because 

>> the key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that effectively 

>> organizes the players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC will allow me 

>> to use Excel for this task, which, in my opinion, is the best 

>> strategy for attacking games.

>> While

>> working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a major 

>> obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games 

>> which include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks 

>> you to first distribute entities into groups and then to sequence the 

>> elements in each group in some way.  The problem that I am facing is 

>> that I am unable to incorporate multiple actions into a single 

>> sketch, a task sighted people can easily perform, because of the 

>> limitations of Excel spreadsheets.

>> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, 

>> but this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed 

>> standardized test like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon 

>> realizing this, I reached out to the Kaplan instructor teaching the 

>> class in which I am enrolled, but he doesn't have any ideas.  

>> Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person providing 

>> accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how I 

>> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, no 

>> other Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; 

>> indeed, this is a very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted local 

>> blindness organizations for assistance, but none of them was able to 

>> help.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this list 

>> would be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I know 

>> that there are blind people who received high LSAT scores with the 

>> help of Excel, so if any of you are on this list, please contact me 

>> either on or off list.  Also, if any of you happen to know someone 

>> who falls into this category, please put me in touch with that person 

>> as soon as possible.  Thank you in advance for your help.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Best Regards,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Michal Nowicki

>> 

>> _______________________________________________

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>> il.com

> 

> 

> 

> ------------------------------

> 

> Message: 4

> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:17:08 -0400

> From: "Sy Hoekstra" < <mailto:sy.hoekstra at gmail.com>
sy.hoekstra at gmail.com>

> To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" < <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions

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> 

> Hi Amy,

> 

> I think the lack of response here is due to the fact that you ask a 

> number of large questions on which we could probably all write short 

> books. I have found though that the legal profession in general is 

> pretty good about accommodations, considering it is decently 

> well-aware of the legal obligations surrounding disability rights. I 

> have had no trouble in law school getting accommodations I need (I'm a 

> 3L), and the LSAT, MPRE, and bar exams are getting slowly more and 

> more comfortable for visually impaired people to get through. Though 

> the accommodations process for the bar exam can be a nightmare 

> depending on the state you're in. I do all of my note taking, 

> outlining, and reading using JAWS, and I find that legal casebooks are 

> quite easy to get ahold of in electronic, accessible formats.

> 

> If you have any things you are particularly worried about, I would 

> certainly be happy to answer questions.

> 

> Best regards,

> Sy

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: blindlaw [ <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>
mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee 

> Harwood

> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:52 PM

> To:  <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org> blindlaw at nfbnet.org

> Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions

> 

> Hello everyone. I hope this email finds you all well.  My name is 

> Aimee. I am seriously considering law school. I have read about the 

> issues with the LSAT and would like to see if anyone has any 

> suggestions and or recommendations to make that process more 

> successful. I haven't narrowed down what schools I would be most 

> interested in attending. I would like to see if there are schools that 

> are more blind friendly than others. Could some of you please tell me 

> about your experiences at the schools you attended? How difficult was 

> it to juggle the 16 hour semesters and what methods did you use to 

> accomplish all of the reading, assignments, outlining, and or whatever
methods used to keep everything straight.

> Sighted

> people use highlighters, underlining, and many other visual aids to 

> manage the massive amount of information covered in law school. How 

> will a blind person manage all of this information so that when it 

> comes exam time, I won't be studying unnecessary information. I 

> totally understand that this will be totally different than undergrad 

> and really would like some insight on how we manage it all.

> 

> Everyone says I will make a great lawyer. It is really great to have 

> the genuine support from those who know me well enough to make a 

> statement regarding my suitability for the profession. I look forward 

> to learning everything and anything related to being a lawyer. It is 

> something I have been interested in doing sins I was a teenager. I 

> just didn't have the connection to other blind individuals or 

> organizations and didn't think Blind people could be lawyers. I wasn't 

> introduced to JAWS and computers until long after high school. Here is 

> a funny joke. I thought I would be able to be a horse trainer more 

> than I would be able to be a lawyer. I suppose that was because I had 

> been working with or at least riding horses since I was a young girl.I 

> am going into law school as a non-traditional student. I am making a 

> later in life career change. Unfortunately I am not able to do the 

> horse life any more. The president of my chapter said to me one 

> evening, "Why don't you go to law school?" I had already been thinking
about it, but that was the start of this new chapter.

> 

> Again, I really look forward to this journey and hearing the good, 

> bad, and the ugly that you all have to share with me.

> 

> 

> Aimee

> Sent from my iPad

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> ail.co

> m

> 

> 

> 

> 

> ------------------------------

> 

> Message: 5

> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:43:22 -0400

> From: Al Elia < <mailto:al.elia at aol.com> al.elia at aol.com>

> To: Blind Law Mailing List < <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Tackling logic games with Excel

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> 

> Thank you very much!

> 

> Best,

> 

> Al, who is brusquer than usual because he's typing on an iPhone.

> 

>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Aaron Cannon 

>> < <mailto:cannona at fireantproductions.com> cannona at fireantproductions.com>

>> wrote:

>> 

>> Could you give an example of a question which is of the type you are 

>> having difficulty with?  That might enable some folks on the list to 

>> explain how they would solve it, which then might give you some ideas 

>> which you can generalize.

>> 

>> Aaron

>> 

>>> On 4/25/14, Michael Nowicki < <mailto:mnowicki4 at icloud.com>
mnowicki4 at icloud.com> wrote:

>>> Dear list members,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I hope this message finds you all well.  I'm sure many of you have 

>>> taken the LSAT, and if you have done so recently, you probably 

>>> remember that it contains one scored logic games section consisting 

>>> of four games in which the testtaker must sequence, match, 

>>> distribute, and/or select entities.

>>> This section is more challenging than other parts of the test 

>>> because the key to mastering it lies in drawing a sketch that 

>>> effectively organizes the players in the game.  Fortunately, LSAC 

>>> will allow me to use Excel for this task, which, in my opinion, is 

>>> the best strategy for attacking games.

>>> While

>>> working with specific game types, however, I have encountered a 

>>> major obstacle that I have not been able to overcome thus far.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Specifically, I am having trouble setting up hybrid games:  games 

>>> which include multiple actions.  For example, one type of game asks 

>>> you to first distribute entities into groups and then to sequence 

>>> the elements in each group in some way.  The problem that I am 

>>> facing is that I am unable to incorporate multiple actions into a 

>>> single sketch, a task sighted people can easily perform, because of 

>>> the limitations of Excel spreadsheets.

>>> Consequently, I have tried to use separate sketches for each action, 

>>> but this approach is too time-consuming for a tightly-timed 

>>> standardized test like the LSAT, even with extended time.  Upon 

>>> realizing this, I reached out to the Kaplan instructor teaching the 

>>> class in which I am enrolled, but he doesn't have any ideas.  

>>> Likewise, Kaplan's ADA administrator, the person providing 

>>> accommodations to Kaplan students, has no suggestions as to how I 

>>> could adapt the Kaplan method to Excel because as far as he knows, 

>>> no other Kaplan student was ever granted the use of Excel by LSAC; 

>>> indeed, this is a very recent phenomenon.  Finally, I contacted 

>>> local blindness organizations for assistance, but none of them was 

>>> able to help.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> That being said, I would be extremely greatful if anyone on this 

>>> list would be willing to help me overcome this major obstacle.  I 

>>> know that there are blind people who received high LSAT scores with 

>>> the help of Excel, so if any of you are on this list, please contact 

>>> me either on or off list.  Also, if any of you happen to know 

>>> someone who falls into this category, please put me in touch with 

>>> that person as soon as possible.  Thank you in advance for your 

>>> help.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Best Regards,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Michal Nowicki

>>> 

>>> _______________________________________________

>>> blindlaw mailing list

>>>  <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org> blindlaw at nfbnet.org

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>>> 

>> 

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> 

> 

> 

> ------------------------------

> 

> Message: 6

> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:58:26 -0400

> From: Aimee Harwood < <mailto:awildheir at gmail.com> awildheir at gmail.com>

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> 

> Thank you very much Sy.

> 

> I really have my heart set on Penn State. I spoke to someone there 

> yesterday who answered a lot of my questions and clarified some things 

> for me especially about how they view the extra time accommodation.

> 

> Do you find it difficult or at least a struggle to do everything that 

> needs to be done say read all the material, do your outlines, and 

> whatever other assignments in a day's time? Given the nature of visual 

> impairments and the extra time it takes us to do the same thing as a 

> sighted person does, what will it be like? I've been out of college 

> for 11 years. I just want to hear what it is like for a visually 

> impaired person to be successful in law school. What have you found to be
the most effective and efficient methods?

> 

> Think I'll stop there for now. I am known for asking deep and somewhat 

> obscure questions. :-)

> 

> Aimee

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 4:17 PM, "Sy Hoekstra" <
<mailto:sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> sy.hoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:

>> 

>> Hi Amy,

>> 

>> I think the lack of response here is due to the fact that you ask a 

>> number of large questions on which we could probably all write short 

>> books. I have found though that the legal profession in general is 

>> pretty good about accommodations, considering it is decently 

>> well-aware of the legal obligations surrounding disability rights. I 

>> have had no trouble in law school getting accommodations I need (I'm 

>> a 3L), and the LSAT, MPRE, and bar exams are getting slowly more and 

>> more comfortable for visually impaired people to get through. Though 

>> the accommodations process for the bar exam can be a nightmare 

>> depending on the state you're in. I do all of my note taking, 

>> outlining, and reading using JAWS, and I find that legal casebooks 

>> are quite easy to get ahold of in electronic, accessible formats.

>> 

>> If you have any things you are particularly worried about, I would 

>> certainly be happy to answer questions.

>> 

>> Best regards,

>> Sy

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: blindlaw [ <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>
mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 

>> Aimee Harwood

>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:52 PM

>> To:  <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org> blindlaw at nfbnet.org

>> Subject: [blindlaw] New Member Intro and Questions

>> 

>> Hello everyone. I hope this email finds you all well.  My name is Aimee.

>> I

>> am seriously considering law school. I have read about the issues 

>> with the LSAT and would like to see if anyone has any suggestions and 

>> or recommendations to make that process more successful. I haven't 

>> narrowed down what schools I would be most interested in attending. I 

>> would like to see if there are schools that are more blind friendly 

>> than others. Could some of you please tell me about your experiences 

>> at the schools you attended? How difficult was it to juggle the 16 

>> hour semesters and what methods did you use to accomplish all of the 

>> reading, assignments, outlining, and or whatever methods used to keep 

>> everything straight.

>> Sighted

>> people use highlighters, underlining, and many other visual aids to 

>> manage the massive amount of information covered in law school. How 

>> will a blind person manage all of this information so that when it 

>> comes exam time, I won't be studying unnecessary information. I 

>> totally understand that this will be totally different than undergrad 

>> and really would like some insight on how we manage it all.

>> 

>> Everyone says I will make a great lawyer. It is really great to have 

>> the genuine support from those who know me well enough to make a 

>> statement regarding my suitability for the profession. I look forward 

>> to learning everything and anything related to being a lawyer. It is 

>> something I have been interested in doing sins I was a teenager. I 

>> just didn't have the connection to other blind individuals or 

>> organizations and didn't think Blind people could be lawyers. I 

>> wasn't introduced to JAWS and computers until long after high school. 

>> Here is a funny joke. I thought I would be able to be a horse trainer 

>> more than I would be able to be a lawyer. I suppose that was because 

>> I had been working with or at least riding horses since I was a young 

>> girl.I am going into law school as a non-traditional student. I am 

>> making a later in life career change. Unfortunately I am not able to 

>> do the horse life any more. The president of my chapter said to me 

>> one evening, "Why don't you go to law school?" I had already been 

>> thinking about it, but that was the start of this new chapter.

>> 

>> Again, I really look forward to this journey and hearing the good, 

>> bad, and the ugly that you all have to share with me.

>> 

>> 

>> Aimee

>> Sent from my iPad

>> _______________________________________________

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From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 28 00:59:00 2014
From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 21:59:00 -0300
Subject: [blindlaw] Some questions
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP21003A1FE3DFE2721438A1ECD470@phx.gbl>

Hi folks:

I think I have introduced myself to this list but am not sure, so, I will briefly do it again.

I am a blind lawyer from Brazil that is going to the US in august to pursue a LLM degree.

I was accepted to some good universities such as Alabama, Miami, Penn State, Golden Gate, UC Hastings and the Ohio State University.

Since OSU has a very strong ADR program (second accordingly to the US news) I decided to accept their offer and am very excited to arrive in Columbus.

Has anyone here attended this school or have any tip for me to succeed in my LLM?

Regards.
Marcos Rodrigues
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Apr 28 23:30:07 2014
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:30:07 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Job Opening-ACLU Paralegal- Please Post and Forward
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From: hrintern [mailto:hrintern at aclu.org]
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:26 PM
To: Maurer, Patricia
Subject: Job Opening-ACLU Paralegal- Please Post and Forward

April 24, 2014

CAREER OPPORTUNITY
Paralegal [NPP-03]
American Civil Liberties Union Foundation
National Prison Project, Washington, D.C.



For more than 93 years, the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation (ACLU) has been at the forefront of virtually every major battle for civil liberties and equal justice in this country. Principled and nonpartisan, the ACLU has offices in all 50 states, Washington, DC and Puerto Rico, and brings together the country’s largest team of public interest lawyers, lobbyists, communication strategists, members and activists in the advancement of equality, fairness, and freedom, especially for the most vulnerable in our society.

OVERVIEW

Founded in 1972 by the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Prison Project seeks to ensure constitutional conditions of confinement in prisons, jails, juvenile facilities, and immigration detention centers. We have successfully litigated on behalf of prisoners in more than 25 states, and since 1991 we have represented prisoners in five cases before the United States Supreme Court.

The Project is the only prison litigation program in the country with a national focus, and is currently engaged in class action litigation dealing with prison conditions in approximately twenty states. Our policy priorities include reducing prison overcrowding, improving prisoner health care, eliminating violence and maltreatment, and increasing oversight and accountability in prisons, jails, and other places of detention. The Project coordinates a nationwide network of litigators, conducts training and public education conferences, and provides expert advice and technical assistance to local community groups and lawyers throughout the country.

The Project also works to challenge the policies of over-incarceration that have led the United States to imprison more people than any other country in the world. This is an opportune moment to reform those policies.  There is a growing consensus among criminal justice experts and policymakers that America’s criminal justice system has relied too heavily on incarceration as the first and often only response to non-violent behavior that could better be addressed through other means.  The population in American prisons and jails has grown exponentially in recent decades and now approaches two and a half million.  Facilities are overcrowded; medical systems are overwhelmed; work, education, and treatment programs are inadequate; and prison violence has increased.  This failed experiment does not make us safer, it is not affordable, and it exacerbates the racial disparities that have long plagued the criminal justice system.

The Project has an extensive public education program and acts as a national resource and technical assistance center on criminal justice issues.  The Paralegal is an integral member of the Project staff and plays an essential role in the Project’s efforts to reform the criminal justice system.

ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES


·         Assist in the development and implementation of public education campaigns to eliminate the use of long-term solitary confinement and to amend the Prison Litigation Reform Act; responsibilities include corresponding with Congressional offices, maintaining contacts with ACLU affiliates and advocacy organizations, managing listservs, maintaining online resource libraries, and collaborating with other criminal justice organizations and public interest firms in the drafting and production of advocacy and public education materials.

·         Coordinate the undergraduate internship program; hire and manage 2-3 undergraduate interns per semester.
Assist in the development and maintenance of National Prison Project related sections of the ACLU website.  Edit content and maintain an electronic resource library on the NPP section of the ACLU intranet.

·         Coordinate with the administrative department of the ACLU and handle various matters regarding general office administration, including project budget and the tracking of expenses.

·         Draft internal and external communications and handle paper and electronic court filings.

·         Arrange depositions, travel, and attorney/client interviews; log and respond to case-related correspondence; prepare legal documents.

·         Conduct internet research, track major news stories regarding cases and policy priorities, produce public education and advocacy materials for various conditions issues and in response to current events, and maintain updated information on prison conditions and contact information for other organizations to be distributed to prisoners.

·         Create, utilize, and troubleshoot databases for various cases and administrative use.

·         Occasional public speaking/presentation opportunities; draft and conduct presentations on various prison conditions issues.

·         Handle other responsibilities and projects as needed.





QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE


Bachelor’s degree required.
A minimum of one year of paralegal or related experience preferred.
Strong research skills, including internet research.
Ability to work independently as well as within a team.

·         Exceptional organizational skills, including the ability to prioritize and meet deadlines under pressure.

·         Strong interpersonal skills.

·         Excellent communication skills, both verbal and written, including the ability to compose, proof and edit correspondence and documents.

·         Highly proficient functioning in a network environment and working with Microsoft Office (including Word, Outlook, Excel, and Access).

·         Commitment to civil liberties and prisoners’ rights is highly desirable.



COMPENSATION

The ACLU offers a generous and comprehensive compensation and benefits package, commensurate with experience and within parameters of the ACLU compensation scale.

HOW TO APPLY
Please send a cover letter (include salary requirements), a current resume, the names and phone numbers of three references, and at least one writing sample by email to hrjobsNPP at aclu.org<mailto:hrjobsNPP at aclu.org> reference [NPP-03/INCL 35] in subject line – or by mail to:


Human Resources
RE: [NPP-03/INCL 35]
American Civil Liberties Union
125 Broad Street, 18th Floor
New York, NY 10004


Please indicate in your cover letter where you learned of this career opportunity.
Applications will be accepted until the position is filled.

This job description provides a general but not comprehensive list of the essential responsibilities and qualifications required. It does not represent a contract of employment.  The ACLU reserves the right to change the description and/or posting at any time without advance notice.

The ACLU is an equal opportunity employer.  We value a diverse workforce and an inclusive culture. The ACLU encourages applications from all qualified individuals without regard to race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, national origin, marital status, citizenship, disability, and veteran status.

The ACLU undertakes affirmative action strategies in its recruitment and employment efforts to assure that persons with disabilities have full opportunities for employment in all positions.

We encourage applicants with disabilities who may need accommodations in the application process to contact: HRJobsINCLReq at aclu.org<mailto:HRJobsINCLReq at aclu.org>. Correspondence sent to this address that is not related to requests for accommodations will not be reviewed.  Applicants should follow the instructions above regarding how to apply.

The ACLU comprises two separate corporate entities, the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation. Both the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation are national organizations with the same overall mission, and share office space and employees. The ACLU has two separate corporate entities in order to do a broad range of work to protect civil liberties. This job posting refers collectively to the two organizations under the name “ACLU.”





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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Apr 30 17:15:53 2014
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:15:53 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Lawsuit Says GSA Discriminates Against Blind Contractors, NextGov,
 April 24, 2014
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Lawsuit Says GSA Discriminates Against Blind Contractors
By Joseph Marks
April 24, 2014
NEXTGOV

A group of blind federal contractors filed a lawsuit against the General Services Administration this week over a contractor website they say shuts out the visually impaired.

The System for Award Management website, SAM.gov, contains numerous buttons, checkboxes, drop-down menus and "mouseovers" that federal contractors must navigate each year in order to keep their contractor status current. Those bells and whistles make it difficult or impossible for screen reading software that blind people use to navigate the Internet to decode the site, the suit claims.

GSA phone-in help desk employees are also not sufficiently trained in disability issues, the suit claims, making it even more difficult for blind contractors to complete their registrations.

The suit was filed as a class action by the American Council for the Blind and the Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. The groups claim GSA violated Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act, which, among other things, bars discrimination against federal contractors and grantees based solely on a disability.

There are three named plaintiffs who are helping to pursue the lawsuit. They're all contractors who had difficulty registering or re-registering on SAM.gov. Eventually two of the three had to reveal personal information, such as usernames and Social Security numbers, to either friends or GSA help desk employees in order to complete their registrations.

"It would be one thing if [the Environmental Protection Agency's] website wasn't compliant with screen reader software," Matthew Handley, an attorney for the plaintiffs, told Nextgov. "But this is all the more troubling because this is the agency that's supposed to be policing all the other agency websites and it doesn't appear to be policing its own websites."

GSA had not responded by 5 p.m. Thursday to Nextgov emails and phone calls seeking comment.

GSA manages a large portion of civilian federal contracting for other government agencies and publishes best practices guides for federal digital technology. The American Council for the Blind spent about a year urging GSA to make SAM.gov accessible, Handley said. When those changes weren't sufficient, he said, they filed suit.

"We'd just sort of reached a dead end with them and decided we didn't have any way to push this along without resorting to the court system," he said.

The council hasn't done a full investigation but suspects there may be accessibility issues with other federal contracting websites such as the Federal Business Opportunities site, FBO.gov, Handley said. The organizations hope that drawing attention to SAM.gov's accessibility issues will press GSA and other agencies to fix other websites, he said.

The groups are asking a federal judge to order GSA to make SAM.gov accessible and to reimburse their attorneys' fees. The plaintiffs cannot seek damages under the statute.

GSA has 60 days to formally respond to the lawsuit.