[blindlaw] active shooter trainings?

Fri Dec 11 01:33:49 UTC 2015

Daniel,

Are you unaware how many college campuses, and other places have been 
attacked lately? You obviously aren't concerned one bit about being safe 
than sorry.

On 12/10/2015 7:31 PM, Daniel McBride via blindlaw wrote:
> Keri:
>
> The notion that these shootings are "rapidly" increasing is nonsense. This
> is a fear tactic created by government and mass media propaganda. Your
> statistical odds of being struck by lightning are far greater than that you
> will ever be confronted by an active shooter. Do you have a lightning strike
> plan? Where is the government and mass media hysteria about lightning? We do
> not see the media hysteria about lightning because nobody would pay
> attention.
>
> We live in a police state of total surveillance. It is getting worse daily,
> weekly and monthly. Americans are volunteering themselves into this total
> surveillance police state and these shootings are most convenient for fear
> mongering hype and hysteria. And then they have Americans, nationwide, all
> worked up about safety and security to induce them into accepting the police
> state. Yet not one of these Americans are the least bit concerned about
> getting struck by lightning.
>
> Furthermore, FBI statistics on violent crime clearly show that, if you, I or
> any American was to be shot with a firearm, the odds are greater than 80%
> that it would be by someone we know personally, like a spouse, former spouse
> or other family member or acquaintance.
>
> To be concerned with the danger of being confronted by an active shooter
> scenario is a big waste of emotional energy. You would be statistically
> better off expending your emotional energy worrying about being struck by
> lightning, being shot by a family member or, for that matter, being in a
> serious auto accident or falling in your shower, all of which are
> significantly more likely to harm you than being confronted by an active
> shooter.
>
> Daniel McBride
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keri via
> blindlaw
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 5:18 PM
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> Cc: Keri
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] active shooter trainings?
>
> Might I also point out that shootings are rapidly increasing. For anyone who
> doesn't think about safety in these situations, they really should.
> It is foolish not to have knowledge or a plan.
>
>
> On 12/10/2015 5:49 PM, Susan Kelly via blindlaw wrote:
>> True enough - but before these trainings were the rage, we already had a
> potential situation at our courthouse (juvenile), where a person who had
> just assaulted a street vendor then escaped into our facility and was
> actively evading security, suspected of being armed.  One of our
> then-pregnant co-workers ended up locked in detention, missing lunch and
> meds, for several hours due to the lockdown.  We don't handle emergencies
> well as an organization, it seems.  Thus, trying to think ahead.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daniel
> McBride via blindlaw
>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 3:45 PM
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>> Cc: Daniel McBride <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] active shooter trainings?
>>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> I have been following this thread with some interest. I would like to
> point out that your statistical odds of being struck by lightning are
> greater than the odds that you will ever be confronted a so-called active
> shooter. And I never spend one minute of my life with concerns of being
> struck by lightning.
>> Daniel McBride
>> Fort Worth, Texas
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shelley
> Richards via blindlaw
>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 10:20 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> Cc: Shelley Richards
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] active shooter trainings?
>>
>> Hiding in the evidence cabinet, I like that idea.  I would definitely fit
> in one.  I think the best advice is to figure out for yourself ahead of time
> where the best hiding places are, and be sure you know how to get to those
> places from anywhere in the building you might be.
>> Have someone help at first if needed until you are confident that you can
> get several possible locations on your own from anywhere you might be.  I
> have never been involved in an actual drill because my building has not done
> them, but I have thought about it before and always figured I just need to
> have good hiding places in mind which I know I can get to confidently.  Of
> course I also think of places where my dog can hide with me as well.
>> I definitely would think this might be a more difficult situation for a
> wheel chair user.  I would be interested in talking to some wheel chair
> users to see what they might think is a good way to deal with this type of
> situation.
>> I have to agree that relying on a sighted coworker is not necessarily a
> good plan.  I personally would not feel confident relying on sighted
> assistance from anybody in a situation which is almost definitely going to
> cause panic and chaos.  It is also such an unpredictable situation, and
> nobody really knows how they will handle it until it happens.  Definitely
> not the best time to be counting on someone else who does not even know how
> they themselves will handle a real life active shooter situation.
>> Shelley Palmadessa
>>
>> On 12/10/15, Susan Kelly via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Thanks - that has always been my thought and plan.  Being small, I
>>> figure that I can hide in an evidence cabinet in the courtroom if
>>> nothing else exists.  Allegedly, there is a space for wheelchair bound
>>> persons in the judicial chambers area at court, but...this is on the
>>> second floor, and is in a mag-card protected restricted area.  It is
>>> thus difficult to figure how that will work in such a situation,
>>> particularly given that we have only two, very small elevators.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ronza
>>> Othman via blindlaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 7:10 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] active shooter trainings?
>>>
>>> My Agency has a function in the Security Office specifically geared
>>> towards working with employees with disabilities.  So when we get the
>>> Active Shooter Training, evacuation training, shelter in place
>>> training, biohazard training, all of it, they do think about and talk
>>> about how individuals with disabilities can respond.  For active
>>> shooter, the rule is run, hide, fight.
>>> Their suggestions for run were to get out of there is quickly as
>>> possible (wheelchair, scooter, whatever), if safe and if you aren't
>>> going to be seen.
>>> They suggest we assess our flight capacity when deciding whether to
>>> run or hide.  When hiding, they talk about how the goal is to find a
>>> sturdy location with as much protection (3-4 walls - as possible.
>>> They suggest you scope this out ahead of time and find yourself a
>>> couple of options for "safe rooms" like storage rooms.  They talk
>>> about how bathrooms aren't always the best place to hide because the
>>> doors don't lock.  They talk about how folks in wheelchairs, to the
>>> extent possible, should either find places to hide where their chairs
>>> are hidden too, or if they can, find ways to maneuver out of their
>>> chairs to secure a smaller hiding place.  And with regard to fight,
>>> they say to use whatever you have access to - hands, equipment,
>>> whatever,
>> to fight.
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keri
>>> via blindlaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 3:38 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] active shooter trainings?
>>>
>>> That seems to be the most common.
>>>
>>> On 12/9/2015 1:46 PM, Susan Kelly via blindlaw wrote:
>>>> So far, the only "adaptation" we have received is that a co-worker
>>>> look
>>> out for us.  Not exactly an empowering solution.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Gerard Sadlier via blindlaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 11:06 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] active shooter trainings?
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> This is interesting if a little surprising - I'd be interested in
>>>> reading
>>> re: adaptations etc. suggested.
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Ger
>>>>
>>>> On 12/9/15, Keri via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> I think it is up to the trainers to do research and offer suggestions.
>>>>> At my university the campus police officer(who is a real policeman)
>>>>> offered me personal suggestions on adapting, but I don't think there
>>>>> is official methods. My school is willing to teach for different
>>>>> situations however to students, staff, and faculty.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/9/2015 10:24 AM, Susan Kelly via blindlaw wrote:
>>>>>> Apologies in advance that this is only tangentially a legal
>>>>>> question (being somewhat civil rights involved), but given that
>>>>>> many of us are governmental employees, or at least in larger
>>>>>> groups, I am hoping there is an answer among us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our county has done active shooter trainings for the last couple of
>>> years.
>>>>>>     Unfortunately, they have absolutely zero training or suggestions
>>>>>> for those of us who are blind or wheelchair-bound.  Has anyone
>>>>>> participated in a training that accounts for these differences?
>>>>>> Does any such training even exist?
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