From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Sun May 3 23:33:39 2015 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 17:33:39 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Two attorney openings at the American Diabetes Association In-Reply-To: <0F567F9CE5F229409DD4FFE9EF553F54BE9F3DE6@ALXVAMBX03.CORP.ADA.ENT> References: <0F567F9CE5F229409DD4FFE9EF553F54BE9F3DE6@ALXVAMBX03.CORP.ADA.ENT> Message-ID: <008101d085f9$96089480$c219bd80$@labarrelaw.com> fyi From: Disability Rights Bar Association [mailto:DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Katie Hathaway Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:30 PM To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [DRBA] Two attorney openings at the American Diabetes Association Hi colleagues, We have two job openings – both attorney positions – here at the American Diabetes Association, and I wanted to share these with you and encourage all who are interested to apply online at http://www.diabetes.org/about-us/careers/ (search for the Government Relations and Advocacy positions in the Job Search box to the right). The job postings/descriptions are attached. Katie Katie Hathaway Managing Director, Legal Advocacy | American Diabetes Association 1701 N. Beauregard St. | Alexandria, VA 22206 | 703.253.4821 | khathaway at diabetes.org | diabetes.org/discrimination REMINDER: The DRBA listserv is intended to facilitate open discussion and sharing of ideas. Members need to feel confident that their discussions will not be distributed beyond the group unnecessarily. PLEASE CONSULT WITH THE SENDER(S) BEFORE FORWARDING ANY LISTSERV DISCUSSIONS BEYOND THE DRBA GROUP. DONATE: The DRBA is a valuable free resource to its members. But the DRBA does have expenses for management, web and listserv services. PLEASE DONATE TODAY any amount you wish Online at http://GiveToSU.com Select “Burton Blatt Institute Fund” from the “My gift is designated to” drop down menu and indicate “DRBA” in the “Gift is to be used for” box. BRIEF BANK: Are you sharing briefs, interrogatories, decisions or other non-confidential resources on this listserv? 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Find some notes below. * There will be drink specials. * There will be a beverage specially made and named for Pilot. * There will be captivating interview and conversation on the rear patio, which is pet friendly. * More information, including, a map, may be obtained on the conference website of G. Norman - A.D.A. 25: Lessons in Leadership and Legacy under Events. From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue May 5 21:32:59 2015 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 15:32:59 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [ColoradoPELA] EEOC Trial Attorney Position In-Reply-To: <5548DD9A020000170007F99C@netmail04.eeoc.gov> References: <5548DD9A020000170007F99C@netmail04.eeoc.gov> Message-ID: <006f01d0877b$0fafa1c0$2f0ee540$@labarrelaw.com> Fyi Denver is a great place to be. From: ColoradoPELA at yahoogroups.com [mailto:ColoradoPELA at yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 3:11 PM To: ColoradoPELA at yahoogroups.com Subject: [ColoradoPELA] EEOC Trial Attorney Position This is to let everyone know that we finally were able to post the backfill for Bill Moench's trial attorney position at the EEOC. Please let anyone who might be interested know about the opportunity. Bill's shoes will be hard to fill, but we are looking forward to finding someone who will try! The post is on USA Jobs. See link below. https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/403044200 Sean Ratliff Acting Supervisory Trial Attorney EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION 303 E. 17th Avenue, Suite 410 Denver, Colorado 80203 (303) 866-1370 (phone) (303) 866-1375 (fax) __._,_.___ _____ Posted by: "SEAN RATLIFF" _____ Reply via web post . Reply to sender . Reply to group . Start a New Topic . Messages in this topic (1) Visit Your Group . Privacy . Unsubscribe . 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To learn more about Justice and our legal careers, please visit our website: http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers. At Justice, diversity extends beyond race and gender. It includes differences in culture, ethnicity, economics, status as a veteran, generations, geography, sexual orientation, and includes individuals with disabilities. We welcome applications from candidates who are interested in positively contributing to Justice, and hope that you will consider joining the dedicated public servants at the Department of Justice. What's new? New Mobile App! Get the latest information about legal careers at Justice with our mobile app, DOJ Law Jobs. Users can quickly and easily create personalized job searches based on practice area, geographic preference, and hiring organization. DOJ Law Jobs is available for free on iTunes for Apple iPhone and iPad, and the Play Store for Android devices. USAO Southern District of West Virginia Assistant United States Attorney WV 05/06/2015 Criminal Division (CRM) Trial Attorney DC 05/06/2015 USAO Central District of Illinois Assistant United States Attorney - Criminal Division IL 05/06/2015 Criminal Division (CRM) Experienced Trial Attorney - Reimbursable Detail DC 05/05/2015 USAO Eastern District of Michigan Assistant United States Attorney MI 05/04/2015 Criminal Division (CRM) Trial Attorney DC 05/04/2015 Criminal Division (CRM) Assistant Deputy Chief DC 05/01/2015 The U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Attorney Recruitment and Management, continuously updates its outreach list for the distribution of attorney and legal intern vacancy announcements. If you would like to continue receiving these emails from the Department of Justice, please respond to this email with UPDATE in the subject line and provide the updated contact information listed below. If you no longer wish to receive these email notifications, please reply to this email with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line. SCHOOL OR ORGANIZATION: NAME: TITLE: PHONE: EMAIL: WEBSITE: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Fri May 8 01:00:07 2015 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 20:00:07 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Update on Law School Plans Message-ID: <003b01d0892a$570a02d0$051e0870$@icloud.com> Hi everyone, I am writing to let you all know that I've just been accepted to the University of Illinois College of Law. Although I initially aimed higher, I have gradually come to understand, over the last few months, how competitive the law school admission process really is. Therefore, I appreciate the fact that I've been offered a spot in the class of 2018 at a Big Ten school that not only offers a comprehensive curriculum in international business law - the field in which I plan to specialize - but also a wide variety of study abroad programs and one of the best offices for students with disabilities in the country. As a result, I will not pass up on this opportunity unless, of course, I am admitted off the waitlist at UCLA, Northwestern, or the University of Chicago. All the Best, Michal From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Fri May 8 01:08:23 2015 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 20:08:23 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Update on Law School Plans Message-ID: <554c0cae.c5878c0a.73b6.fffff2e8@mx.google.com> Congrats! I'm not quite as ambitious as you-CUA isn't in the big ten, but it should fit what I'm looking for fairly well. (I did get admitted to one top-20 in my state, but the debt incurred to go there would have been astronomical.) K. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw References: <554c0cae.c5878c0a.73b6.fffff2e8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <007e01d0892f$e4dbc260$ae934720$@icloud.com> Thank you very much, Kelby. Everyone obviously has different priorities in determining which school is the right one. I, for instance, am convinced that to maximize my chances of postgraduate employment, I must get my JD from the highest ranked school possible that meets my academic and professional goals. Best Wishes, Michal -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelby Carlson via blindlaw Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:08 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Kelby Carlson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Law School Plans Congrats! I'm not quite as ambitious as you-CUA isn't in the big ten, but it should fit what I'm looking for fairly well. (I did get admitted to one top-20 in my state, but the debt incurred to go there would have been astronomical.) K. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw References: <554c0cae.c5878c0a.73b6.fffff2e8@mx.google.com> <007e01d0892f$e4dbc260$ae934720$@icloud.com> Message-ID: <016601d08932$51cd17f0$f56747d0$@gmail.com> Dear Michal: Congratulations! I am so proud of you and proud for you! Anita Keith-Foust 919-430-1978 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via blindlaw Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Law School Plans Thank you very much, Kelby. Everyone obviously has different priorities in determining which school is the right one. I, for instance, am convinced that to maximize my chances of postgraduate employment, I must get my JD from the highest ranked school possible that meets my academic and professional goals. Best Wishes, Michal -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelby Carlson via blindlaw Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 8:08 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Kelby Carlson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Law School Plans Congrats! I'm not quite as ambitious as you-CUA isn't in the big ten, but it should fit what I'm looking for fairly well. (I did get admitted to one top-20 in my state, but the debt incurred to go there would have been astronomical.) K. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw References: <003b01d0892a$570a02d0$051e0870$@icloud.com> Message-ID: <424353C6-D127-4B66-A275-C6334848F8D6@comcast.net> good for you lady who livestq Sent from my iPhone > On May 7, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Michal Nowicki via blindlaw wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I am writing to let you all know that I've just been accepted to the > University of Illinois College of Law. Although I initially aimed higher, I > have gradually come to understand, over the last few months, how competitive > the law school admission process really is. Therefore, I appreciate the > fact that I've been offered a spot in the class of 2018 at a Big Ten school > that not only offers a comprehensive curriculum in international business > law - the field in which I plan to specialize - but also a wide variety of > study abroad programs and one of the best offices for students with > disabilities in the country. As a result, I will not pass up on this > opportunity unless, of course, I am admitted off the waitlist at UCLA, > Northwestern, or the University of Chicago. > > > > All the Best, > > > > Michal > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40comcast.net From darlene.olsen at gmail.com Fri May 8 06:33:55 2015 From: darlene.olsen at gmail.com (Darlene Olsen) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 23:33:55 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Update on Law School Plans In-Reply-To: <003b01d0892a$570a02d0$051e0870$@icloud.com> References: <003b01d0892a$570a02d0$051e0870$@icloud.com> Message-ID: On 5/7/15, Michal Nowicki via blindlaw wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > I am writing to let you all know that I've just been accepted to the > University of Illinois College of Law. Although I initially aimed higher, > I > have gradually come to understand, over the last few months, how > competitive > the law school admission process really is. Therefore, I appreciate the > fact that I've been offered a spot in the class of 2018 at a Big Ten school > that not only offers a comprehensive curriculum in international business > law - the field in which I plan to specialize - but also a wide variety of > study abroad programs and one of the best offices for students with > disabilities in the country. As a result, I will not pass up on this > opportunity unless, of course, I am admitted off the waitlist at UCLA, > Northwestern, or the University of Chicago. > > > > All the Best, > > > > Michal > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/darlene.olsen%40gmail.com > Congrats!!! Keep up the good work and attitude. Best Regards, Darlene Olsen Benicia, California Darlene.olsen at gmail.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon May 11 20:31:27 2015 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 15:31:27 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: DOJ Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <87EAD4112E1ABA49BCA9055BEA384CBF3A65362B@DPRC-EXCH-P05.JCONMAIL.doj.gov> Message-ID: <04F1893C93758F4AA7CB436BB2675066014EB24D3029@EDUPTCEXMB02.ed.gov> From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia via Jobs Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 7:32 AM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Cc: Maurer, Patricia Subject: [Jobs] FW: DOJ Jobs From: Jobs, CRT (CRT) [mailto:CRT.Jobs at usdoj.gov] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 8:03 AM To: Petrie, Diane E (CRT) Subject: DOJ Jobs The Civil Rights Division (Division) would like to thank each of you for participating in our efforts to increase outreach to individuals interested in working for the Division. The Division hopes to attract a broad and diverse pool of qualified applicants, and, to that end, encourages you to forward this information to any qualified applicants, including qualified applicants with disabilities, who may be interested in working for the Division. For your convenience, all current Division job announcements that are open to the public are listed below. Please also remind members of your organization that all job announcements can always be found on the Division's homepage, http://www.justice.gov/crt/employment. In addition, if you know of other organizations that might want to receive our job announcements, please let them know the process is very simple. They just need to send an email to CRT.Jobs at usdoj.gov. There are no elaborate forms to fill out - just an email indicating that the organization wishes to receive future job listings and the e-mail address for us to contact them. Please do not hesitate to let us know if you have suggestions on how we can improve our outreach efforts. The chart below includes the Civil Rights Division job opportunities currently available to the public. Remarks Position Salary Closing Date NEW Outreach and Hotline Specialist Office of Special Counsel GS-301-11 ($63,722 to $82,840 per year) 5/18/15 NEW Non-Reimbursable Detail Opportunity Open to Federal Government Attorneys only Disability Rights Section Current federal government salary continues. 5/22/15 Reimbursable Detail Opportunity Open to Federal Government Attorneys only Housing and Civil Enforcement Section Current federal government salary continues. 5/15/15 Detail Opportunity Open to current federal employees only Federal Coordination& Review Section Current federal government salary continues. Student Volunteers (Division-wide) N/A (Volunteer) See Description Individuals interested in applying for these positions should comply with the application procedures and closing dates in the vacancy announcement. The Division does not accept unsolicited resumes or applications (i.e., those not submitted in response to a particular vacancy announcement). If you need more information about a specific Civil Rights Division vacancy, please call the Human Resources Office, Team 1 on (202) 514-3934. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Tue May 12 16:43:41 2015 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:43:41 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC Message-ID: Hi folks: I was invited to a summer internship at the D.C. Superior Court, Multi-dor Dispute resolution in Washington DC. Is anyone on the DC area that could give me clues about the city such as housing and public transportation? Regards. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue May 12 22:21:10 2015 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:21:10 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Supervisory General Attorney (Civil Rights), GS-905-15, ED OCR Seattle Job Announcement Number: SEA-OCR-2015-0004 In-Reply-To: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE1623410110B7781121@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> References: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE1623410110B7781121@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> Message-ID: <04F1893C93758F4AA7CB436BB2675066014EB24D313C@EDUPTCEXMB02.ed.gov> Link: https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/403579400 Text: 1. Overview 2. Duties 3. Qualifications & Evaluations 4. Benefits & Other Info 5. How to Apply [cid:image003.png at 01D08CBB.BD735690] Job Title: Supervisory General Attorney (Civil Rights), GS-905-15 Department: Department Of Education Agency: Office for Civil Rights Job Announcement Number: SEA-OCR-2015-0004 SALARY RANGE: $123,796.00 to $158,700.00 / Per Year OPEN PERIOD: Monday, May 11, 2015 to Monday, May 25, 2015 SERIES & GRADE: GS-0905-15 POSITION INFORMATION: Full-Time - Permanent PROMOTION POTENTIAL: 15 DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy in the following location: Seattle, WA View Map WHO MAY APPLY: This announcement is open to all U.S. citizens. SECURITY CLEARANCE: Public Trust - Background Investigation SUPERVISORY STATUS: Yes JOB SUMMARY: About the Agency You will serve as a Chief Attorney in the OCR Seattle, WA Office. The Chief Attorney is responsible for providing leadership and guidance in the support of civil rights compliance and OCR's enforcement program, consistent with the mission of the Department and OCR's Strategic Plan. You will serve as the chief legal advisor in the regional office and have primary responsibility for implementing the directives of the Office Director. OCR enforces Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, the Age Discrimination Act of 1975, the Boy Scouts of America Equal Access Act of 2001, and their respective implementing regulations. TRAVEL REQUIRED * Occasional Travel * Some overnight travel required. RELOCATION AUTHORIZED * No KEY REQUIREMENTS * You must be a U.S. Citizen. * Some overnight travel is required. * Relocation expenses WILL NOT be paid. ________________________________ DUTIES: The typical duties of this position include providing expert legal and policy advice to case resolution teams, the Office Director, the Enforcement Director, the Deputy Assistant Secretary and the Assistant Secretary relating to investigation, negotiation, and resolution of complex cases and innovative proactive compliance reviews with national impact; acceptance and monitoring of corrective action agreements; conducting of enforcement actions through judicial or administrative litigation; provide oversight over legal advice given and written work product produced within the OCR office; maintains close working relationships with counterpart Chief Attorney from other OCR offices; supervises (either directly or as a second line supervisor) all General Attorneys in the OCR Office; provide advice to subordinates on all aspects of program operations within the regional offices. ________________________________ QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED: Back to top Professional Legal Experience Requirement: Five years of professional legal experience. This experience must clearly indicate that you independently perform complex legal work in the civil rights field or a closely related field. You must have one year of specialized experience at a level close to the work of this job that has given you the particular knowledge, skills, and abilities required to successfully perform the duties of this position. Typically, we would find this experience in work within this field or a field that is closely related. This experience must be equivalent to that of the duties of a GS-14 Attorney in Federal service. You must be a member in good standing of the Bar of a State, District of Columbia, or Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. PROOF OF ADMISSION TO THE BAR MUST BE SUBMITTED WITH APPLICATION. You must be a graduate from a law school accredited by the American Bar Association and be a member in good standing of the Bar of a state, territory of the United States, District of Columbia, or Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. Applicants must have 1 year specialized experience equivalent to at least GS-14 grade level. APPLICANTS MUST MEET ALL QUALIFICATIONS REQUIREMENTS BY THE CLOSING DATE OF THIS VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT. HOW YOU WILL BE EVALUATED: You will be evaluated to determine if you meet qualifications required, and on the extent to which your application shows that you possess the knowledge, skills and abilities associated with this position as defined below. Please be sure to give examples in your resume and explain how often you used these skills, the complexity of the knowledge you possessed, the level of people you interacted with, and the complexity and sensitivity of the issues you handled. 1. Expert knowledge of civil rights laws and regulations enforced by the OCR. 2. Knowledge of management principles, techniques and methods in the areas of organizational design, administration, labor and personnel management. 3. Ability to lead and develop program staff as well as manage, plan and deliver high quality programs for regional staff. 4. Strong analytical, communication, teamwork, and writing skills. To preview questions please click here. ________________________________ BENEFITS: Back to top You can review our benefits at: https://jobs.mgsapps.monster.com/edu/vacancy/preview!benefits.hms?orgId=1&jnum=62336 OTHER INFORMATION: This position is excepted from the competitive service. The Federal Government is committed to expanding access to employment by hiring people with disabilities; providing technical assistance and information on reasonable accommodations for people with disabilities; and identifying and removing barriers to work. Persons with disabilities may apply for jobs filled either competitively (where qualified individuals compete with one another through a structured process), non-competitively (where a qualified individual may be selected based on a special appointing authority), or through an excepted appointing authority for people with disabilities (i.e. Schedule A). People who are selected for a Federal job must meet the qualifications requirements for the position and be able to perform the essential duties of the job. For information on "People with Disabilities" please visit Job Seekers with Disabilities Applicants selected for positions are subject to a background check to verify that he or she has not defaulted on any loan funded or guaranteed by the U.S. Department of Education. Applicants found to be in default will be contacted to make arrangements for repayment prior to being made an official offer of employment. Veterans interested in receiving tips on preparing a Federal resume and/or how to prepare for an interview, may send an email to Iwork at ed.gov to schedule an appointment for a session. Veterans Counseling Session must be placed in the subject line of the email. EEO Statement The U.S. Department of Education does not discriminate in employment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy and gender identity), national origin, political affiliation, sexual orientation, marital status, disability, genetic information, age, membership in an employee organization, retaliation, parental status, military service, or other non-merit factor. Reasonable Accommodations The U.S. Department of Education provides reasonable accommodations to applicants with disabilities. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please notify the Human Resources Office. The decision on granting reasonable accommodation will be on a case-by-case basis. Selective Service Male applicants born after 12/31/59 who are required to register with the Selective Service under section 3 of the Military Selective Service Act must be registered (or must have registered at the time that they were required to do so) in order to be eligible for appointment under this program. To learn more about this law, visit the Selective Service web page, Who Must Register. Additional selections may be made within 90 days from the opening date of this vacancy announcement should vacancies occur. ________________________________ HOW TO APPLY: Back to top Please carefully read the information provided under the link listed below. The section entitled "How to Apply" provides detailed instructions on faxing your supporting documentation. All required supporting documentation MUST be received by midnight Eastern Time on the closing date of the announcement. Although we do not require a specific format, certain information is required to determine if you are qualified. To receive full consideration, you MUST SUBMIT the following information: 1) Resume (submit on-line) 2) You must submit a photocopy of current membership in such Bar as would permit the practice of law. Membership must be in good standing. Be sure work experiences listed on your application include: job titles, duties and accomplishments, employer's name, specify full-time or part-time (list number of hours per week if part-time), beginning/ending employment dates (month/year) and annual salary. Required Documents REQUIRED DOCUMENTS: You must submit your resume and copy of current Bar membership card on-line and answer the related assessment question. AGENCY CONTACT INFO: Angela Mason Phone: 202-453-5706 Fax: 000-000-0000 Email: angela.mason at ed.gov Agency Information: EDUCATION-OFFICE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS 1000 2nd Ave Seattle, WA 98104 US Fax: 000-000-0000 WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT: Once the announcement is closed, the applications will be referred to the Office for Civil Rights Attorney Evaluation Committee who will conduct an evaluation of your qualifications and determine your ranking. The most highly qualified candidates will be referred to the hiring manager for further consideration and possible interview. Management is expected to make a selection as promptly as possible after the closing date of this vacancy announcement. You will be notified if you are selected for an interview. EEO Policy Statement | Reasonable Accommodation Policy Statement | Veterans Information | Legal and Regulatory Guidance -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 11958 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Wed May 13 02:46:57 2015 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 21:46:57 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301d08d27$189ae630$49d0b290$@icloud.com> Hi Marcos, I've never been to DC, but I've heard that it has a good public transportation system, in particular extensive rail service. Although none of the train lines run all night, that shouldn't be a major inconvenience, as DC is predominantly a business city; unlike Chicago and New York, it does not have much of a night life. I don't know anything about housing. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcos Rodrigues via blindlaw Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:44 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Marcos Rodrigues Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC Hi folks: I was invited to a summer internship at the D.C. Superior Court, Multi-dor Dispute resolution in Washington DC. Is anyone on the DC area that could give me clues about the city such as housing and public transportation? Regards. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Wed May 13 03:12:11 2015 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sy Hoekstra) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 23:12:11 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC In-Reply-To: <001301d08d27$189ae630$49d0b290$@icloud.com> References: <001301d08d27$189ae630$49d0b290$@icloud.com> Message-ID: <00be01d08d2a$9c679000$d536b000$@gmail.com> The metro is alright. It's slow compared to NYC subways or the El in Chicago, and it doesn't go everywhere in the city, and the announcements in the train are not sufficiently audible, but there are generally friendly station attendants who are quite helpful. If you can, go online, and figure out how to get a half-price Smarttrip card for people with disabilities. You pick them up at the Metro Center station. I went there to get one a few years back, and the woman there told me there was some paper work I had to fill out to get one, but then she took another look at my cane, and just gave me one. So that can happen. Once you get one, you can refill it online, so you don't have to mess with their inaccessible ticket machines. As far as housing goes, I know GW rents out a lot of its dorms to summer interns. I am told they are overpriced though. I found my summer place in DC through my law school's student listserve by just putting out a general request. There are also a few churches that run good housing classified websites. Grace DC is the one I remember. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via blindlaw Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:47 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC Hi Marcos, I've never been to DC, but I've heard that it has a good public transportation system, in particular extensive rail service. Although none of the train lines run all night, that shouldn't be a major inconvenience, as DC is predominantly a business city; unlike Chicago and New York, it does not have much of a night life. I don't know anything about housing. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcos Rodrigues via blindlaw Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:44 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Marcos Rodrigues Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC Hi folks: I was invited to a summer internship at the D.C. Superior Court, Multi-dor Dispute resolution in Washington DC. Is anyone on the DC area that could give me clues about the city such as housing and public transportation? Regards. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.co m From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Wed May 13 11:16:01 2015 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 07:16:01 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC In-Reply-To: <00be01d08d2a$9c679000$d536b000$@gmail.com> References: <001301d08d27$189ae630$49d0b290$@icloud.com> <00be01d08d2a$9c679000$d536b000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the responses. Sent from my iPhone > On May 12, 2015, at 11:13 PM, Sy Hoekstra via blindlaw wrote: > > The metro is alright. It's slow compared to NYC subways or the El in > Chicago, and it doesn't go everywhere in the city, and the announcements in > the train are not sufficiently audible, but there are generally friendly > station attendants who are quite helpful. If you can, go online, and figure > out how to get a half-price Smarttrip card for people with disabilities. You > pick them up at the Metro Center station. I went there to get one a few > years back, and the woman there told me there was some paper work I had to > fill out to get one, but then she took another look at my cane, and just > gave me one. So that can happen. Once you get one, you can refill it online, > so you don't have to mess with their inaccessible ticket machines. > > As far as housing goes, I know GW rents out a lot of its dorms to summer > interns. I am told they are overpriced though. I found my summer place in DC > through my law school's student listserve by just putting out a general > request. There are also a few churches that run good housing classified > websites. Grace DC is the one I remember. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal > Nowicki via blindlaw > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:47 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC > > Hi Marcos, > > I've never been to DC, but I've heard that it has a good public > transportation system, in particular extensive rail service. Although none > of the train lines run all night, that shouldn't be a major inconvenience, > as DC is predominantly a business city; unlike Chicago and New York, it does > not have much of a night life. > > I don't know anything about housing. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcos > Rodrigues via blindlaw > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:44 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Marcos Rodrigues > Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC > > Hi folks: > > I was invited to a summer internship at the D.C. Superior Court, Multi-dor > Dispute resolution in Washington DC. > > Is anyone on the DC area that could give me clues about the city such as > housing and public transportation? > > Regards. > Marcos Rodrigues > mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com From anitakeithfoust at gmail.com Wed May 13 11:59:48 2015 From: anitakeithfoust at gmail.com (Anita Keith-Foust) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 07:59:48 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC In-Reply-To: <001301d08d27$189ae630$49d0b290$@icloud.com> References: <001301d08d27$189ae630$49d0b290$@icloud.com> Message-ID: <001801d08d74$4ff36ba0$efda42e0$@gmail.com> Good Morning Everyone: I was traveling to D.C. and had concerns about transportation. So, I contacted the NFB Headquarters' office who gave me the Washington, D.C. NFB Chapter President's contact information. His name is Sean and his number is 202-352-1511. I am sure that he will be able to help. Thank you. Anita Keih-Foust 919-430-1978 -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via blindlaw Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:47 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC Hi Marcos, I've never been to DC, but I've heard that it has a good public transportation system, in particular extensive rail service. Although none of the train lines run all night, that shouldn't be a major inconvenience, as DC is predominantly a business city; unlike Chicago and New York, it does not have much of a night life. I don't know anything about housing. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcos Rodrigues via blindlaw Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:44 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Marcos Rodrigues Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Washington DC Hi folks: I was invited to a summer internship at the D.C. Superior Court, Multi-dor Dispute resolution in Washington DC. Is anyone on the DC area that could give me clues about the city such as housing and public transportation? Regards. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/anitakeithfoust%40gmai l.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed May 13 19:25:02 2015 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:25:02 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Justice Department Moves to Intervene in Disability Discrimination Lawsuit Alleging that Miami University Uses Inaccessible Educational Technologies and Course Materials, US. DOJ Press Release, May 12 2015 Message-ID: <04F1893C93758F4AA7CB436BB2675066014EB24D31F6@EDUPTCEXMB02.ed.gov> Link: http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-moves-intervene-disability-discrimination-lawsuit-alleging-miami Text: Department of Justice Office of Public Affairs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, May 12, 2015 Justice Department Moves to Intervene in Disability Discrimination Lawsuit Alleging that Miami University Uses Inaccessible Educational Technologies and Course Materials The Justice Department announced today that it has moved to intervene in Aleeha Dudley v. Miami University, et al., 14-cv-038 (S.D. Ohio), a private lawsuit alleging disability discrimination by Miami University in Oxford, Ohio. In the United States' motion to intervene and complaint, the United States alleges that Miami University has violated Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) by requiring current and former students with disabilities to use inaccessible websites and learning management system software, and by providing these students with inaccessible course materials. The motion was filed in the U.S. District Court of the Southern District of Ohio. As alleged in today's filings, Miami University uses technologies that are inaccessible to current and former students who have vision, hearing or learning disabilities. Miami University has failed to ensure that individuals with disabilities can interact with its websites and learning management systems and access course assignments, textbooks and graphical materials on an equal basis with students without disabilities. Miami's failures have deprived persons with disabilities of a full and equal opportunity to benefit from Miami University's educational opportunities. Many students with disabilities, including those who have vision, hearing or learning disabilities, require assistive technologies to use computers and interact with electronic content. Examples of assistive technologies include screen reader software, refreshable Braille displays, audio description, captioning and keyboard navigation. Screen reader software audibly reads aloud information that is otherwise presented visually on a computer screen; refreshable Braille displays convert digital text into Braille; captioning translates video narration and sound into text; and keyboard navigation allows individuals with visual or manual dexterity disabilities to access computer content using a keyboard rather than a mouse. The complaint seeks a judgment from the court requiring Miami University to provide accessible materials to ensure that individuals with disabilities can equally participate in and benefit from Miami University's educational opportunities, and to compensate aggrieved individuals. "Education is said to be the great equalizer of American society, and educational technologies hold great promise to make this a reality," said Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Vanita Gupta of the Civil Rights Division. "However, students with disabilities continue to encounter an impenetrable glass ceiling of opportunity when schools fail to comply with the ADA." Title II of the ADA prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability by state and local government entities, including colleges and universities. Title III of the ADA likewise prohibits disability discrimination by private educational institutions. Those interested in finding out more about the ADA may call the Justice Department's toll-free ADA information line at 800-514-0301 (TDD 800-514-0383) or visit www.ada.gov. 15-599 Civil Rights Division From njaskins at gmail.com Wed May 13 21:05:11 2015 From: njaskins at gmail.com (Nicole Askins) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 17:05:11 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games Message-ID: Greetings all, I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for giving me information about it. I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and can not seem to get a handle on the Grouping Games. since some of you may have experience with this test, please advise. 1. Did anyone have this section of the test omitted? 2. how did you create the diagrams if not omitted? Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole Askins From samarositz at gmail.com Wed May 13 21:53:06 2015 From: samarositz at gmail.com (Stephen Alexander Marositz) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:53:06 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Barbri Advice Message-ID: <001201d08dc7$32266610$96733230$@gmail.com> Hi List I am beginning the Barbri course here in California. I will take the July bar. Any advice you have on navigating the Barbri experience would be very much appreciated. Sorry I don't have any specific questions, I am very much a nube and have almost no clue what to expect. Stephen Alexander Marositz From aloshamoore at gmail.com Wed May 13 22:37:42 2015 From: aloshamoore at gmail.com (Alosha Moore) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 17:37:42 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B483B69-05F9-4576-81A0-19639837200B@gmail.com> Hi Nicole: I did not have the logic games section omitted and took it twice. Once when I had more useful vision and then again without. The first time I used a CCTV and a white drawrace board. The second time I used the whiteboard again and had someone help me figure out my writing when I referred back to it, which is obviously somewhat impractical. If I was faced with a similar situation again, I would definitely use something tactile like a rubber graph board and use pens and tactual letters to represent the parties names. Unfortunately for my vision impairment, I am a visual learner and either writing it out or having a way to tex tactilely feel it helped me visualize it and The logic games section turned out to be my best scoring one. The trick is to simplify the variables in the conditions and figuring out a way to quickly recall that information. Hope this helps and good luck! Best regards, Alosha Moore. Sent from my iPhone. > On May 13, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Nicole Askins via blindlaw wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for giving me > information about it. > I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and can not seem > to get a handle on the Grouping Games. since some of you may have > experience with this test, please advise. > 1. Did anyone have this section of the test omitted? > 2. how did you create the diagrams if not omitted? > > Thank you for your time and attention to this matter > Nicole Askins > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aloshamoore%40gmail.com From philosopher25 at gmail.com Wed May 13 22:52:56 2015 From: philosopher25 at gmail.com (Sexton, bruce) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:52:56 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00d601d08dcf$8e4270d0$aac75270$@gmail.com> Hello, I would recommend that you search LSAT or logic games in the archive. There was a lot of buz on that topic within the last 12 months or so. The method I would use, if I were to do it again, would involve the slate and stylus, excel and a reader. You can get more detailed information about our different methods from the archive. If I had more time, I would help you in writing. If you can't find the archives, feel free to write me off list with your phone number , the phone is faster. Thanks, Bruce -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Askins via blindlaw Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:05 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Nicole Askins Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games Greetings all, I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for giving me information about it. I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and can not seem to get a handle on the Grouping Games. since some of you may have experience with this test, please advise. 1. Did anyone have this section of the test omitted? 2. how did you create the diagrams if not omitted? Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole Askins _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/philosopher25%40gmail. com From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Wed May 13 23:10:54 2015 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:10:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301d08dd2$129d6d60$37d84820$@icloud.com> Hi Nicole, When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet to sketch out the games. I chose Excel over tactile objects because I quickly discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various conditions that way. For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups, as those are the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members of each group in the cells below the appropriate group headings. I also recommend a separate row for all the rules. The key to success on logic games is working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to experiment. You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games, so don't even try taking the easy way out. In fact, I was very fortunate to get all the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had major difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does not like to work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their needs are met. With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT in June, since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are not in a position to request specific accommodations. You can't, for instance, decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and show up on the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program; each accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and the process for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming. As a matter of fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed. Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if you have further questions. Good luck! Michal -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Askins via blindlaw Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Nicole Askins Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games Greetings all, I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for giving me information about it. I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and can not seem to get a handle on the Grouping Games. since some of you may have experience with this test, please advise. 1. Did anyone have this section of the test omitted? 2. how did you create the diagrams if not omitted? Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole Askins _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com From kerrireg at gmail.com Wed May 13 23:40:44 2015 From: kerrireg at gmail.com (Kerri Regan) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:40:44 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Methods for Reading Handwriting Message-ID: Hi everyone. I recently started my first full-time paralegal job at a firm which deals primarily with Worker's Compensation and Social Security-related cases. My position is mostly computer and phone-based, communicating with clients and keeping track of a busy caseload for my supervising attorney. The case management software works well with JAWS and much of the paperwork the firm uses is already scanned into the computer, but today I encountered a major problem. There are forms that are filled out by medical professionals, sent back to us and scanned into our system. While the forms themselves are typed PDFs, many of the doctors fill them out by hand. The handwriting comes across just fine for my sighted colleagues, but when I tried reading the forms with JAWS' OCR utility I was only able to read blank fields, not their content. Going over these forms with clients is an important part of my job, and while my employers have been wonderful and willing to adapt the position to better fit my abilities, I'd prefer not to foist reading duties on one of my colleagues and do all the work this position requires. I know many OCR programs have trouble processing handwriting, but are there any out there that might be an exception? I'm totally blind, familiar with all Windows screenreaders and have the KNFB reader app on my iPhone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help, Kerri From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Wed May 13 23:51:45 2015 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:51:45 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games Message-ID: <5553e3c1.042d320a.6ee1.05ea@mx.google.com> Nicole, Michal is right about this. As much as you may hate to hear this, it's probably better to hold off on taking the test until September. I would actually begin the accommodation process right now; it is literally never too early to start in this case. You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you think you might need, and in very specific detail. I made this mistake and was not able to use the accommodations for the logic games that I had planned. Fortunately I was still able to obtain a reasonable score, but in many ways I was lucky. As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's. I also had some luck using symbols on a braille display. IT will take a good deal of experimentation and practice. Use lots of practice tests with different problems and groupings. See if things click, and don't be afraid to try different methods with different sorts of sets. K. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw References: Message-ID: Hi Kerri, I'd be glad to be corrected but I think the short answer is that there are no such programmes? Ger On 5/14/15, Kerri Regan via blindlaw wrote: > Hi everyone. I recently started my first full-time paralegal job at a > firm which deals primarily with Worker's Compensation and Social > Security-related cases. My position is mostly computer and > phone-based, communicating with clients and keeping track of a busy > caseload for my supervising attorney. The case management software > works well with JAWS and much of the paperwork the firm uses is > already scanned into the computer, but today I encountered a major > problem. There are forms that are filled out by medical professionals, > sent back to us and scanned into our system. While the forms > themselves are typed PDFs, many of the doctors fill them out by hand. > The handwriting comes across just fine for my sighted colleagues, but > when I tried reading the forms with JAWS' OCR utility I was only able > to read blank fields, not their content. Going over these forms with > clients is an important part of my job, and while my employers have > been wonderful and willing to adapt the position to better fit my > abilities, I'd prefer not to foist reading duties on one of my > colleagues and do all the work this position requires. I know many > OCR programs have trouble processing handwriting, but are there any > out there that might be an exception? I'm totally blind, familiar > with all Windows screenreaders and have the KNFB reader app on my > iPhone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for > your help, Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From michael.mcglashon at comcast.net Thu May 14 00:16:48 2015 From: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net (mike mcglashon) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:16:48 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games In-Reply-To: <5553e3c1.042d320a.6ee1.05ea@mx.google.com> References: <5553e3c1.042d320a.6ee1.05ea@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4CB8946E8D874FC9A09A4ED207B2E69A@mcglashonHP> Hi Guys: I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in June. I took it in February and did 138. I thought that was fabulous but I guess the law schools don't like that score. As far as the logic games, I found that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any better at it. I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very specific followable instructions to tackle such games. Are there tutors out there who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles? someone like a shrink who understands how the human brain works? I am actually considering just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to hit on a couple of them just by chance. My theory is that the logic reasoning is two sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the reading section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and then let the chips fall where they may. What do you guys think of this? Is it possible that since totally blind persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the detriment when it comes to these games? Please advise. -----Original Message----- From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Kelby Carlson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games Nicole, Michal is right about this. As much as you may hate to hear this, it's probably better to hold off on taking the test until September. I would actually begin the accommodation process right now; it is literally never too early to start in this case. You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you think you might need, and in very specific detail. I made this mistake and was not able to use the accommodations for the logic games that I had planned. Fortunately I was still able to obtain a reasonable score, but in many ways I was lucky. As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's. I also had some luck using symbols on a braille display. IT will take a good deal of experimentation and practice. Use lots of practice tests with different problems and groupings. See if things click, and don't be afraid to try different methods with different sorts of sets. K. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw References: <5553e3c1.042d320a.6ee1.05ea@mx.google.com> <4CB8946E8D874FC9A09A4ED207B2E69A@mcglashonHP> Message-ID: <000301d08de4$cc92b150$65b813f0$@icloud.com> Mike, 138 is definitely not a good score. To give you and everyone else on this list a better idea of how bad it is, the national average is 151, and the median score at DePaul University College of Law, which is ranked 121 in the country, is 154. Therefore, while the LSAT isn't the sole admission factor, you really need to get at least into the low 150s to have a fighting chance of acceptance to a decent law school. As far as I know, there aren't any LSAT tutors who specialize in teaching the blind. When I took the Kaplan class, I was hoping my teacher would help me, but he was able to provide only general guidance. Fortunately, I figured out how to tackle each game type, though I could never get through all four games in the allotted time. Please keep in mind that the LSAT is a skills-based test. As a result, the trouble you are having may mean that you have a hard time spotting key deductions. If you wish, please feel free to contact me off-list at mnowicki4 at iCloud.com to discuss your unique situation. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of mike mcglashon via blindlaw Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:17 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: mike mcglashon Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games Hi Guys: I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in June. I took it in February and did 138. I thought that was fabulous but I guess the law schools don't like that score. As far as the logic games, I found that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any better at it. I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very specific followable instructions to tackle such games. Are there tutors out there who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles? someone like a shrink who understands how the human brain works? I am actually considering just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to hit on a couple of them just by chance. My theory is that the logic reasoning is two sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the reading section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and then let the chips fall where they may. What do you guys think of this? Is it possible that since totally blind persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the detriment when it comes to these games? Please advise. -----Original Message----- From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Kelby Carlson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games Nicole, Michal is right about this. As much as you may hate to hear this, it's probably better to hold off on taking the test until September. I would actually begin the accommodation process right now; it is literally never too early to start in this case. You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you think you might need, and in very specific detail. I made this mistake and was not able to use the accommodations for the logic games that I had planned. Fortunately I was still able to obtain a reasonable score, but in many ways I was lucky. As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's. I also had some luck using symbols on a braille display. IT will take a good deal of experimentation and practice. Use lots of practice tests with different problems and groupings. See if things click, and don't be afraid to try different methods with different sorts of sets. K. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw References: Message-ID: I certainly have not found one. Unfortunately, I believe you will need a sighted person to access handwritten materials. This doesn't mean you can't do the work, but it does mean someone will have to read the form or type it for you. Of course, depending on the size of your office, there may not be someone in place right now to do this. Do you have a legal assistant who could go over forms with you before you talk with clients, or enter the data into blank versions of the forms? Sorry I don't have any better ideas for dealing with this. Angie On 5/13/15, Gerard Sadlier via blindlaw wrote: > Hi Kerri, > > I'd be glad to be corrected but I think the short answer is that there > are no such programmes? > > Ger > > On 5/14/15, Kerri Regan via blindlaw wrote: >> Hi everyone. I recently started my first full-time paralegal job at a >> firm which deals primarily with Worker's Compensation and Social >> Security-related cases. My position is mostly computer and >> phone-based, communicating with clients and keeping track of a busy >> caseload for my supervising attorney. The case management software >> works well with JAWS and much of the paperwork the firm uses is >> already scanned into the computer, but today I encountered a major >> problem. There are forms that are filled out by medical professionals, >> sent back to us and scanned into our system. While the forms >> themselves are typed PDFs, many of the doctors fill them out by hand. >> The handwriting comes across just fine for my sighted colleagues, but >> when I tried reading the forms with JAWS' OCR utility I was only able >> to read blank fields, not their content. Going over these forms with >> clients is an important part of my job, and while my employers have >> been wonderful and willing to adapt the position to better fit my >> abilities, I'd prefer not to foist reading duties on one of my >> colleagues and do all the work this position requires. I know many >> OCR programs have trouble processing handwriting, but are there any >> out there that might be an exception? I'm totally blind, familiar >> with all Windows screenreaders and have the KNFB reader app on my >> iPhone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for >> your help, Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com > From njaskins at gmail.com Thu May 14 02:54:52 2015 From: njaskins at gmail.com (Nicole Askins) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 22:54:52 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games In-Reply-To: <000301d08de4$cc92b150$65b813f0$@icloud.com> References: <5553e3c1.042d320a.6ee1.05ea@mx.google.com> <4CB8946E8D874FC9A09A4ED207B2E69A@mcglashonHP> <000301d08de4$cc92b150$65b813f0$@icloud.com> Message-ID: Good evening all, these are all great suggestions and I will take all of this under advisement. However, I have a great deal of accommodations already provided including a scribe, youth of my laptop with zoom text and a CCTV. My question simply was about the grouping games as they seem to be more complex. I wanted to know if there was a better way to approach these games. I have no trouble with ordering games nor do I have trouble with any other section of the test. I simply wanted to know if other low vision people had equal trouble. I guess, my question really is, or the logic games fair and do they really assess a law students ability or just their disability. On May 13, 2015 9:26 PM, "Michal Nowicki via blindlaw" wrote: > Mike, > > 138 is definitely not a good score. To give you and everyone else on this > list a better idea of how bad it is, the national average is 151, and the > median score at DePaul University College of Law, which is ranked 121 in > the > country, is 154. Therefore, while the LSAT isn't the sole admission > factor, > you really need to get at least into the low 150s to have a fighting chance > of acceptance to a decent law school. > > As far as I know, there aren't any LSAT tutors who specialize in teaching > the blind. When I took the Kaplan class, I was hoping my teacher would > help > me, but he was able to provide only general guidance. Fortunately, I > figured out how to tackle each game type, though I could never get through > all four games in the allotted time. > > Please keep in mind that the LSAT is a skills-based test. As a result, the > trouble you are having may mean that you have a hard time spotting key > deductions. If you wish, please feel free to contact me off-list at > mnowicki4 at iCloud.com to discuss your unique situation. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of mike > mcglashon via blindlaw > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:17 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: mike mcglashon > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > Hi Guys: > > I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in June. I > took it in February and did 138. I thought that was fabulous but I guess > the law schools don't like that score. As far as the logic games, I found > that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille > writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my > mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any > better at it. I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very specific > followable instructions to tackle such games. Are there tutors out there > who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles? someone like a > shrink who understands how the human brain works? I am actually > considering > just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to hit on a couple > of them just by chance. My theory is that the logic reasoning is two > sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the reading > section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and then let the > chips fall where they may. > > What do you guys think of this? Is it possible that since totally blind > persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the > detriment when it comes to these games? > > Please advise. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Kelby Carlson > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > Nicole, > > Michal is right about this. As much as you may hate to hear this, it's > probably better to hold off on taking the test until September. I would > actually begin the accommodation process right now; it is literally never > too early to start in this case. > You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you think you > might need, and in very specific detail. I made this mistake and was not > able to use the accommodations for the logic games that I had planned. > Fortunately I was still able to obtain a reasonable score, but in many ways > I was lucky. > > As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's. I also had some luck using > symbols on a braille display. IT will take a good deal of experimentation > and practice. Use lots of practice tests with different problems and > groupings. See if things click, and don't be afraid to try different > methods with different sorts of sets. > > K. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' 2015 18:10:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > Hi Nicole, > > When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet to > sketch out the games. I chose Excel over tactile objects because I quickly > discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various > conditions > that way. > > For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups, as those > are > the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members of each > group in the cells below the appropriate group headings. I also recommend > a > separate row for all the rules. The key to success on logic games is > working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to experiment. > > You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games, so don't > even try taking the easy way out. In fact, I was very fortunate to get all > the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had major > difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does not like to > work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their needs are met. > With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT in June, > since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are not in a > position to request specific accommodations. You can't, for instance, > decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and show up on > the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program; each > accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and the process > for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming. As a matter of > fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed. > > Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if > you > have further questions. Good luck! > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole > Askins via blindlaw > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Nicole Askins > Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > Greetings all, > > > I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for giving me > information about it. > I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and can not seem > to get a handle on the Grouping Games. since some of you may have > experience with this test, please advise. > 1. Did anyone have this section of the test omitted? > 2. how did you create the diagrams if not omitted? > > Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole Askins > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%4 > 0icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso > n%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail.com > From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Thu May 14 10:35:35 2015 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:35:35 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Methods for Reading Handwriting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Depending on the length of the forms, their complexity and any litteracy issues, perhaps the best solution would be to get your clients to read these forms over to you at the meeting. In that way, your clients would definitely become familiar with the data - which after all does relate to their cases. One of the great concerns one has with clients from time to time is whether they are actually reading the material that they need to - however strongly they are advised to do so. The downsides to this approach are: 1. meetings may take longer; 2. some clients will be better at the reading required and/or more accommodating than others. Ger On 5/14/15, Angie Matney via blindlaw wrote: > I certainly have not found one. Unfortunately, I believe you will need > a sighted person to access handwritten materials. This doesn't mean > you can't do the work, but it does mean someone will have to read the > form or type it for you. Of course, depending on the size of your > office, there may not be someone in place right now to do this. Do you > have a legal assistant who could go over forms with you before you > talk with clients, or enter the data into blank versions of the forms? > > Sorry I don't have any better ideas for dealing with this. > > Angie > > > On 5/13/15, Gerard Sadlier via blindlaw wrote: >> Hi Kerri, >> >> I'd be glad to be corrected but I think the short answer is that there >> are no such programmes? >> >> Ger >> >> On 5/14/15, Kerri Regan via blindlaw wrote: >>> Hi everyone. I recently started my first full-time paralegal job at a >>> firm which deals primarily with Worker's Compensation and Social >>> Security-related cases. My position is mostly computer and >>> phone-based, communicating with clients and keeping track of a busy >>> caseload for my supervising attorney. The case management software >>> works well with JAWS and much of the paperwork the firm uses is >>> already scanned into the computer, but today I encountered a major >>> problem. There are forms that are filled out by medical professionals, >>> sent back to us and scanned into our system. While the forms >>> themselves are typed PDFs, many of the doctors fill them out by hand. >>> The handwriting comes across just fine for my sighted colleagues, but >>> when I tried reading the forms with JAWS' OCR utility I was only able >>> to read blank fields, not their content. Going over these forms with >>> clients is an important part of my job, and while my employers have >>> been wonderful and willing to adapt the position to better fit my >>> abilities, I'd prefer not to foist reading duties on one of my >>> colleagues and do all the work this position requires. I know many >>> OCR programs have trouble processing handwriting, but are there any >>> out there that might be an exception? I'm totally blind, familiar >>> with all Windows screenreaders and have the KNFB reader app on my >>> iPhone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for >>> your help, Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Thu May 14 10:36:00 2015 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:36:00 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Methods for Reading Handwriting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For documents that you're going to use at hearings etc. you need and should get them typed. On 5/14/15, Gerard Sadlier wrote: > Hi, > > Depending on the length of the forms, their complexity and any > litteracy issues, perhaps the best solution would be to get your > clients to read these forms over to you at the meeting. In that way, > your clients would definitely become familiar with the data - which > after all does relate to their cases. One of the great concerns one > has with clients from time to time is whether they are actually > reading the material that they need to - however strongly they are > advised to do so. > > The downsides to this approach are: > 1. meetings may take longer; > 2. some clients will be better at the reading required and/or more > accommodating than others. > > Ger > > On 5/14/15, Angie Matney via blindlaw wrote: >> I certainly have not found one. Unfortunately, I believe you will need >> a sighted person to access handwritten materials. This doesn't mean >> you can't do the work, but it does mean someone will have to read the >> form or type it for you. Of course, depending on the size of your >> office, there may not be someone in place right now to do this. Do you >> have a legal assistant who could go over forms with you before you >> talk with clients, or enter the data into blank versions of the forms? >> >> Sorry I don't have any better ideas for dealing with this. >> >> Angie >> >> >> On 5/13/15, Gerard Sadlier via blindlaw wrote: >>> Hi Kerri, >>> >>> I'd be glad to be corrected but I think the short answer is that there >>> are no such programmes? >>> >>> Ger >>> >>> On 5/14/15, Kerri Regan via blindlaw wrote: >>>> Hi everyone. I recently started my first full-time paralegal job at a >>>> firm which deals primarily with Worker's Compensation and Social >>>> Security-related cases. My position is mostly computer and >>>> phone-based, communicating with clients and keeping track of a busy >>>> caseload for my supervising attorney. The case management software >>>> works well with JAWS and much of the paperwork the firm uses is >>>> already scanned into the computer, but today I encountered a major >>>> problem. There are forms that are filled out by medical professionals, >>>> sent back to us and scanned into our system. While the forms >>>> themselves are typed PDFs, many of the doctors fill them out by hand. >>>> The handwriting comes across just fine for my sighted colleagues, but >>>> when I tried reading the forms with JAWS' OCR utility I was only able >>>> to read blank fields, not their content. Going over these forms with >>>> clients is an important part of my job, and while my employers have >>>> been wonderful and willing to adapt the position to better fit my >>>> abilities, I'd prefer not to foist reading duties on one of my >>>> colleagues and do all the work this position requires. I know many >>>> OCR programs have trouble processing handwriting, but are there any >>>> out there that might be an exception? I'm totally blind, familiar >>>> with all Windows screenreaders and have the KNFB reader app on my >>>> iPhone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for >>>> your help, Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >> > From kristiwilkins at gmail.com Thu May 14 12:00:57 2015 From: kristiwilkins at gmail.com (Kristi Wilkins) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 07:00:57 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games In-Reply-To: References: <5553e3c1.042d320a.6ee1.05ea@mx.google.com> <4CB8946E8D874FC9A09A4ED207B2E69A@mcglashonHP> <000301d08de4$cc92b150$65b813f0$@icloud.com> Message-ID: <3AC86AF2-61D1-4B23-9293-69D34EE5634B@gmail.com> I don't think anyone can truly comment about whether the logic games test what they are supposed to test, but I can tell you that I know at least one completely blind friend who scored a 170 on the LSAT. That is a top score. I don't know what strategies she used, but I at least know it is possible for a completely blind taker to do very well. I would say just keep practicing. Kristi Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Nicole Askins via blindlaw wrote: > > Good evening all, these are all great suggestions and I will take all of > this under advisement. However, I have a great deal of accommodations > already provided including a scribe, youth of my laptop with zoom text and > a CCTV. My question simply was about the grouping games as they seem to be > more complex. I wanted to know if there was a better way to approach these > games. I have no trouble with ordering games nor do I have trouble with any > other section of the test. I simply wanted to know if other low vision > people had equal trouble. I guess, my question really is, or the logic > games fair and do they really assess a law students ability or just their > disability. > On May 13, 2015 9:26 PM, "Michal Nowicki via blindlaw" > wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> 138 is definitely not a good score. To give you and everyone else on this >> list a better idea of how bad it is, the national average is 151, and the >> median score at DePaul University College of Law, which is ranked 121 in >> the >> country, is 154. Therefore, while the LSAT isn't the sole admission >> factor, >> you really need to get at least into the low 150s to have a fighting chance >> of acceptance to a decent law school. >> >> As far as I know, there aren't any LSAT tutors who specialize in teaching >> the blind. When I took the Kaplan class, I was hoping my teacher would >> help >> me, but he was able to provide only general guidance. Fortunately, I >> figured out how to tackle each game type, though I could never get through >> all four games in the allotted time. >> >> Please keep in mind that the LSAT is a skills-based test. As a result, the >> trouble you are having may mean that you have a hard time spotting key >> deductions. If you wish, please feel free to contact me off-list at >> mnowicki4 at iCloud.com to discuss your unique situation. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of mike >> mcglashon via blindlaw >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:17 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: mike mcglashon >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games >> >> Hi Guys: >> >> I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in June. I >> took it in February and did 138. I thought that was fabulous but I guess >> the law schools don't like that score. As far as the logic games, I found >> that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille >> writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my >> mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any >> better at it. I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very specific >> followable instructions to tackle such games. Are there tutors out there >> who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles? someone like a >> shrink who understands how the human brain works? I am actually >> considering >> just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to hit on a couple >> of them just by chance. My theory is that the logic reasoning is two >> sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the reading >> section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and then let the >> chips fall where they may. >> >> What do you guys think of this? Is it possible that since totally blind >> persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the >> detriment when it comes to these games? >> >> Please advise. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Kelby Carlson >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games >> >> Nicole, >> >> Michal is right about this. As much as you may hate to hear this, it's >> probably better to hold off on taking the test until September. I would >> actually begin the accommodation process right now; it is literally never >> too early to start in this case. >> You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you think you >> might need, and in very specific detail. I made this mistake and was not >> able to use the accommodations for the logic games that I had planned. >> Fortunately I was still able to obtain a reasonable score, but in many ways >> I was lucky. >> >> As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's. I also had some luck using >> symbols on a braille display. IT will take a good deal of experimentation >> and practice. Use lots of practice tests with different problems and >> groupings. See if things click, and don't be afraid to try different >> methods with different sorts of sets. >> >> K. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > 2015 18:10:54 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games >> >> Hi Nicole, >> >> When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet to >> sketch out the games. I chose Excel over tactile objects because I quickly >> discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various >> conditions >> that way. >> >> For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups, as those >> are >> the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members of each >> group in the cells below the appropriate group headings. I also recommend >> a >> separate row for all the rules. The key to success on logic games is >> working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to experiment. >> >> You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games, so don't >> even try taking the easy way out. In fact, I was very fortunate to get all >> the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had major >> difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does not like to >> work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their needs are met. >> With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT in June, >> since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are not in a >> position to request specific accommodations. You can't, for instance, >> decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and show up on >> the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program; each >> accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and the process >> for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming. As a matter of >> fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed. >> >> Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if >> you >> have further questions. Good luck! >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole >> Askins via blindlaw >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Nicole Askins >> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games >> >> Greetings all, >> >> >> I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for giving me >> information about it. >> I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and can not seem >> to get a handle on the Grouping Games. since some of you may have >> experience with this test, please advise. >> 1. Did anyone have this section of the test omitted? >> 2. how did you create the diagrams if not omitted? >> >> Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole Askins >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%4 >> 0icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso >> n%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40co >> mcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kristiwilkins%40gmail.com From njaskins at gmail.com Thu May 14 12:32:15 2015 From: njaskins at gmail.com (Nicole Askins) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:32:15 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games In-Reply-To: <3AC86AF2-61D1-4B23-9293-69D34EE5634B@gmail.com> References: <5553e3c1.042d320a.6ee1.05ea@mx.google.com> <4CB8946E8D874FC9A09A4ED207B2E69A@mcglashonHP> <000301d08de4$cc92b150$65b813f0$@icloud.com> <3AC86AF2-61D1-4B23-9293-69D34EE5634B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank You Christy, I really needed to know that it was it at least, possible for individuals who are blind or have low vision to do well. On May 14, 2015 8:02 AM, "Kristi Wilkins via blindlaw" wrote: > I don't think anyone can truly comment about whether the logic games test > what they are supposed to test, but I can tell you that I know at least one > completely blind friend who scored a 170 on the LSAT. That is a top score. > I don't know what strategies she used, but I at least know it is possible > for a completely blind taker to do very well. I would say just keep > practicing. > > Kristi > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 13, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Nicole Askins via blindlaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good evening all, these are all great suggestions and I will take all of > > this under advisement. However, I have a great deal of accommodations > > already provided including a scribe, youth of my laptop with zoom text > and > > a CCTV. My question simply was about the grouping games as they seem to > be > > more complex. I wanted to know if there was a better way to approach > these > > games. I have no trouble with ordering games nor do I have trouble with > any > > other section of the test. I simply wanted to know if other low vision > > people had equal trouble. I guess, my question really is, or the logic > > games fair and do they really assess a law students ability or just their > > disability. > > On May 13, 2015 9:26 PM, "Michal Nowicki via blindlaw" < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Mike, > >> > >> 138 is definitely not a good score. To give you and everyone else on > this > >> list a better idea of how bad it is, the national average is 151, and > the > >> median score at DePaul University College of Law, which is ranked 121 in > >> the > >> country, is 154. Therefore, while the LSAT isn't the sole admission > >> factor, > >> you really need to get at least into the low 150s to have a fighting > chance > >> of acceptance to a decent law school. > >> > >> As far as I know, there aren't any LSAT tutors who specialize in > teaching > >> the blind. When I took the Kaplan class, I was hoping my teacher would > >> help > >> me, but he was able to provide only general guidance. Fortunately, I > >> figured out how to tackle each game type, though I could never get > through > >> all four games in the allotted time. > >> > >> Please keep in mind that the LSAT is a skills-based test. As a result, > the > >> trouble you are having may mean that you have a hard time spotting key > >> deductions. If you wish, please feel free to contact me off-list at > >> mnowicki4 at iCloud.com to discuss your unique situation. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Michal > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of mike > >> mcglashon via blindlaw > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:17 PM > >> To: Blind Law Mailing List > >> Cc: mike mcglashon > >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > >> > >> Hi Guys: > >> > >> I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in > June. I > >> took it in February and did 138. I thought that was fabulous but I > guess > >> the law schools don't like that score. As far as the logic games, I > found > >> that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille > >> writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my > >> mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any > >> better at it. I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very > specific > >> followable instructions to tackle such games. Are there tutors out > there > >> who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles? someone like a > >> shrink who understands how the human brain works? I am actually > >> considering > >> just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to hit on a > couple > >> of them just by chance. My theory is that the logic reasoning is two > >> sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the > reading > >> section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and then let > the > >> chips fall where they may. > >> > >> What do you guys think of this? Is it possible that since totally blind > >> persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the > >> detriment when it comes to these games? > >> > >> Please advise. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM > >> To: Blind Law Mailing List > >> Cc: Kelby Carlson > >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > >> > >> Nicole, > >> > >> Michal is right about this. As much as you may hate to hear this, it's > >> probably better to hold off on taking the test until September. I would > >> actually begin the accommodation process right now; it is literally > never > >> too early to start in this case. > >> You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you think > you > >> might need, and in very specific detail. I made this mistake and was > not > >> able to use the accommodations for the logic games that I had planned. > >> Fortunately I was still able to obtain a reasonable score, but in many > ways > >> I was lucky. > >> > >> As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's. I also had some luck using > >> symbols on a braille display. IT will take a good deal of > experimentation > >> and practice. Use lots of practice tests with different problems and > >> groupings. See if things click, and don't be afraid to try different > >> methods with different sorts of sets. > >> > >> K. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' May > >> 2015 18:10:54 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > >> > >> Hi Nicole, > >> > >> When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet to > >> sketch out the games. I chose Excel over tactile objects because I > quickly > >> discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various > >> conditions > >> that way. > >> > >> For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups, as those > >> are > >> the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members of each > >> group in the cells below the appropriate group headings. I also > recommend > >> a > >> separate row for all the rules. The key to success on logic games is > >> working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to experiment. > >> > >> You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games, so don't > >> even try taking the easy way out. In fact, I was very fortunate to get > all > >> the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had major > >> difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does not like > to > >> work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their needs are > met. > >> With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT in > June, > >> since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are not in a > >> position to request specific accommodations. You can't, for instance, > >> decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and show up > on > >> the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program; each > >> accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and the > process > >> for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming. As a matter > of > >> fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed. > >> > >> Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if > >> you > >> have further questions. Good luck! > >> > >> Michal > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole > >> Askins via blindlaw > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM > >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> Cc: Nicole Askins > >> Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > >> > >> Greetings all, > >> > >> > >> I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for giving > me > >> information about it. > >> I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and can not > seem > >> to get a handle on the Grouping Games. since some of you may have > >> experience with this test, please advise. > >> 1. Did anyone have this section of the test omitted? > >> 2. how did you create the diagrams if not omitted? > >> > >> Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole Askins > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blindlaw mailing list > >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%4 > >> 0icloud.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blindlaw mailing list > >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso > >> n%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blindlaw mailing list > >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw: > >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40co > >> mcast.net > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blindlaw mailing list > >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw: > >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blindlaw mailing list > >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> blindlaw: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kristiwilkins%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail.com > From shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com Thu May 14 14:41:51 2015 From: shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com (Shelley Richards) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:41:51 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games In-Reply-To: <4CB8946E8D874FC9A09A4ED207B2E69A@mcglashonHP> References: <5553e3c1.042d320a.6ee1.05ea@mx.google.com> <4CB8946E8D874FC9A09A4ED207B2E69A@mcglashonHP> Message-ID: <61CC35C5-4E12-4FFC-9794-3131ED09D39B@gmail.com> Hello, I do not believe it's the case that a person who is totally blind since birth cannot do these games. I have been totally blind since birth and I actually did quite well on the logic games section. I'm not very much help to others in the situation though because I just happen to be one of those very fortunate people who can keep track of the stuff in my head. I don't know how or why, but I've always been very good at stuff like this. I'm also very good at doing even particularly complicated math problems in my head. Most people I know who are totally blind and have done well on this section either did it with an XL spreadsheet or by using some sort of tactile system but not actual braille. One person I know used a tactile drawing kit with the rubber mat and the tool for drawling raised line pictures. I do know somebody who used a Slayton stylus as well to make marks on paper that would give them enough help to figure it out. The majority of people I know who have taken this test used an Excel spreadsheet though. I actually thought the logic games were the best part of the test, I found them fun because I enjoy that sort of thing. Although among the group of blind people I know who have taken this test it seems like those who already enjoyed it had a knack for the sort of thing found the section not too difficult and those who did not have a natural knack for doing this sort of thing could never find a way to make it easy for themselves. Although I will say all of those people still did alright and got into law school. Most people I know practiced the logic games on a daily basis leading up to the test, and they tried various methods of how to approach the logic games before requesting their accommodations so they knew exactly what they felt was going to work best for them. It's hard to give somebody step-by-step instructions on how best to do it because what works for one person is not necessarily going to work for another person, and perhaps you need to try something completely different but nobody else is done. Just based on the conversations I've had with various people my recommendation would be to use an XL spreadsheet and less you are the type of person who really needs a visual tactile reference in which case the raised line drawing kids combined with a slate and stylus seem to be the best option. My two friends who did the best on the LSAT and we're not particularly good at logic games used an XL spreadsheet, however they are both the type of person who learns best with auditory methods. They both been blind since birth or very young and don't remember being able to see so maybe that is why they learn best auditorily. Just try every possible method you can think of, and every method that anybody can suggest to you until you figure out which way is going to work best. Good luck I hope you do well. Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2015, at 20:16, mike mcglashon via blindlaw wrote: > > Hi Guys: > > I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in June. I took it in February and did 138. I thought that was fabulous but I guess the law schools don't like that score. As far as the logic games, I found that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any better at it. I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very specific followable instructions to tackle such games. Are there tutors out there who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles? someone like a shrink who understands how the human brain works? I am actually considering just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to hit on a couple of them just by chance. My theory is that the logic reasoning is two sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the reading section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and then let the chips fall where they may. > > What do you guys think of this? Is it possible that since totally blind persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the detriment when it comes to these games? > > Please advise. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Kelby Carlson > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > Nicole, > > Michal is right about this. As much as you may hate to hear > this, it's probably better to hold off on taking the test until > September. I would actually begin the accommodation process > right now; it is literally never too early to start in this case. > You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you > think you might need, and in very specific detail. I made this > mistake and was not able to use the accommodations for the logic > games that I had planned. Fortunately I was still able to obtain > a reasonable score, but in many ways I was lucky. > > As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's. I also had some luck > using symbols on a braille display. IT will take a good deal of > experimentation and practice. Use lots of practice tests with > different problems and groupings. See if things click, and don't > be afraid to try different methods with different sorts of sets. > > K. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Date sent: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:10:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > Hi Nicole, > > When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel > spreadsheet to > sketch out the games. I chose Excel over tactile objects because > I quickly > discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various > conditions > that way. > > For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups, > as those are > the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members > of each > group in the cells below the appropriate group headings. I also > recommend a > separate row for all the rules. The key to success on logic > games is > working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to > experiment. > > You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games, > so don't > even try taking the easy way out. In fact, I was very fortunate > to get all > the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had > major > difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does > not like to > work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their > needs are met. > With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT > in June, > since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are > not in a > position to request specific accommodations. You can't, for > instance, > decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and > show up on > the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program; > each > accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and > the process > for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming. As a > matter of > fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed. > > Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at > mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if you > have further questions. Good luck! > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Nicole > Askins via blindlaw > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Nicole Askins > Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > Greetings all, > > > I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for > giving me > information about it. > I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and > can not seem > to get a handle on the Grouping Games. since some of you may > have experience > with this test, please advise. > 1. Did anyone have this section of the test omitted? > 2. how did you create the diagrams if not omitted? > > Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole > Askins > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%4 > 0icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso > n%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shelleyrichards9%40gmail.com From njaskins at gmail.com Thu May 14 15:15:14 2015 From: njaskins at gmail.com (Nicole Askins) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:15:14 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games In-Reply-To: <61CC35C5-4E12-4FFC-9794-3131ED09D39B@gmail.com> References: <5553e3c1.042d320a.6ee1.05ea@mx.google.com> <4CB8946E8D874FC9A09A4ED207B2E69A@mcglashonHP> <61CC35C5-4E12-4FFC-9794-3131ED09D39B@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's great advice. I still have pretty viable vision so I am a visual learner. Thank you for your response I am trying a different method and AM beginning to find most of the games fun. On May 14, 2015 10:42 AM, "Shelley Richards via blindlaw" < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hello, > I do not believe it's the case that a person who is totally blind since > birth cannot do these games. I have been totally blind since birth and I > actually did quite well on the logic games section. I'm not very much help > to others in the situation though because I just happen to be one of those > very fortunate people who can keep track of the stuff in my head. I don't > know how or why, but I've always been very good at stuff like this. I'm > also very good at doing even particularly complicated math problems in my > head. Most people I know who are totally blind and have done well on this > section either did it with an XL spreadsheet or by using some sort of > tactile system but not actual braille. One person I know used a tactile > drawing kit with the rubber mat and the tool for drawling raised line > pictures. I do know somebody who used a Slayton stylus as well to make > marks on paper that would give them enough help to figure it out. The > majority of people I know who have taken this test used an Excel > spreadsheet though. I actually thought the logic games were the best part > of the test, I found them fun because I enjoy that sort of thing. Although > among the group of blind people I know who have taken this test it seems > like those who already enjoyed it had a knack for the sort of thing found > the section not too difficult and those who did not have a natural knack > for doing this sort of thing could never find a way to make it easy for > themselves. Although I will say all of those people still did alright and > got into law school. Most people I know practiced the logic games on a > daily basis leading up to the test, and they tried various methods of how > to approach the logic games before requesting their accommodations so they > knew exactly what they felt was going to work best for them. It's hard to > give somebody step-by-step instructions on how best to do it because what > works for one person is not necessarily going to work for another person, > and perhaps you need to try something completely different but nobody else > is done. Just based on the conversations I've had with various people my > recommendation would be to use an XL spreadsheet and less you are the type > of person who really needs a visual tactile reference in which case the > raised line drawing kids combined with a slate and stylus seem to be the > best option. My two friends who did the best on the LSAT and we're not > particularly good at logic games used an XL spreadsheet, however they are > both the type of person who learns best with auditory methods. They both > been blind since birth or very young and don't remember being able to see > so maybe that is why they learn best auditorily. Just try every possible > method you can think of, and every method that anybody can suggest to you > until you figure out which way is going to work best. Good luck I hope you > do well. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 13, 2015, at 20:16, mike mcglashon via blindlaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Guys: > > > > I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in June. > I took it in February and did 138. I thought that was fabulous but I guess > the law schools don't like that score. As far as the logic games, I found > that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille > writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my > mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any > better at it. I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very specific > followable instructions to tackle such games. Are there tutors out there > who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles? someone like a > shrink who understands how the human brain works? I am actually > considering just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to hit > on a couple of them just by chance. My theory is that the logic reasoning > is two sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the > reading section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and then > let the chips fall where they may. > > > > What do you guys think of this? Is it possible that since totally blind > persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the > detriment when it comes to these games? > > > > Please advise. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM > > To: Blind Law Mailing List > > Cc: Kelby Carlson > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > > > Nicole, > > > > Michal is right about this. As much as you may hate to hear > > this, it's probably better to hold off on taking the test until > > September. I would actually begin the accommodation process > > right now; it is literally never too early to start in this case. > > You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you > > think you might need, and in very specific detail. I made this > > mistake and was not able to use the accommodations for the logic > > games that I had planned. Fortunately I was still able to obtain > > a reasonable score, but in many ways I was lucky. > > > > As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's. I also had some luck > > using symbols on a braille display. IT will take a good deal of > > experimentation and practice. Use lots of practice tests with > > different problems and groupings. See if things click, and don't > > be afraid to try different methods with different sorts of sets. > > > > K. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Date sent: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:10:54 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > > > Hi Nicole, > > > > When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel > > spreadsheet to > > sketch out the games. I chose Excel over tactile objects because > > I quickly > > discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various > > conditions > > that way. > > > > For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups, > > as those are > > the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members > > of each > > group in the cells below the appropriate group headings. I also > > recommend a > > separate row for all the rules. The key to success on logic > > games is > > working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to > > experiment. > > > > You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games, > > so don't > > even try taking the easy way out. In fact, I was very fortunate > > to get all > > the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had > > major > > difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does > > not like to > > work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their > > needs are met. > > With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT > > in June, > > since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are > > not in a > > position to request specific accommodations. You can't, for > > instance, > > decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and > > show up on > > the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program; > > each > > accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and > > the process > > for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming. As a > > matter of > > fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed. > > > > Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at > > mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if you > > have further questions. Good luck! > > > > Michal > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > > Nicole > > Askins via blindlaw > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM > > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > Cc: Nicole Askins > > Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > > > Greetings all, > > > > > > I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for > > giving me > > information about it. > > I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and > > can not seem > > to get a handle on the Grouping Games. since some of you may > > have experience > > with this test, please advise. > > 1. Did anyone have this section of the test omitted? > > 2. how did you create the diagrams if not omitted? > > > > Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole > > Askins > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > blindlaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%4 > > 0icloud.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for blindlaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso > > n%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shelleyrichards9%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail.com > From Susan.Kelly at pima.gov Thu May 14 15:24:32 2015 From: Susan.Kelly at pima.gov (Susan Kelly) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:24:32 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Methods for Reading Handwriting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have similar problems with police reports in my cases, many portions of which are still handwritten (or more accurately, scribbled). I can sometimes pull my screen magnification up to 8 or greater and even with my face an inch away from the screen it still is illegible to me - and that obviously won't work for you. The short answer is that it does not yet exist. I have to ask someone to read things to me quickly while I type them out for myself, or, when there is more time available, have the written portions recorded to mP3 by my assistant and loaded by client name into my computer. Not very independent, but it suffices. -----Original Message----- From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via blindlaw Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 5:01 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Methods for Reading Handwriting Hi Kerri, I'd be glad to be corrected but I think the short answer is that there are no such programmes? Ger On 5/14/15, Kerri Regan via blindlaw wrote: > Hi everyone. I recently started my first full-time paralegal job at a > firm which deals primarily with Worker's Compensation and Social > Security-related cases. My position is mostly computer and > phone-based, communicating with clients and keeping track of a busy > caseload for my supervising attorney. The case management software > works well with JAWS and much of the paperwork the firm uses is > already scanned into the computer, but today I encountered a major > problem. There are forms that are filled out by medical professionals, > sent back to us and scanned into our system. While the forms > themselves are typed PDFs, many of the doctors fill them out by hand. > The handwriting comes across just fine for my sighted colleagues, but > when I tried reading the forms with JAWS' OCR utility I was only able > to read blank fields, not their content. Going over these forms with > clients is an important part of my job, and while my employers have > been wonderful and willing to adapt the position to better fit my > abilities, I'd prefer not to foist reading duties on one of my > colleagues and do all the work this position requires. I know many > OCR programs have trouble processing handwriting, but are there any > out there that might be an exception? I'm totally blind, familiar > with all Windows screenreaders and have the KNFB reader app on my > iPhone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for > your help, Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%4 > 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40pima.gov From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu May 14 15:57:04 2015 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:57:04 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Job Announcement - VP of Diversity and Inclusion at Earth Justice In-Reply-To: <023101d08ddb$fd9fd8d0$f8df8a70$@initiativefordiversitywa.org> References: <023101d08ddb$fd9fd8d0$f8df8a70$@initiativefordiversitywa.org> Message-ID: <04F1893C93758F4AA7CB436BB2675066014EB24D3305@EDUPTCEXMB02.ed.gov> From: Erica Chung [mailto:director at initiativefordiversitywa.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 5:22 PM To: president at abaw.org; 'Elaine Edralin Pascua'; Rachel Luke; jason.holloway at stokeslaw.com; youngji at washinjurylaw.com; Chach Duarte white; President at lmba.net; 'Omar Nur'; 'Dana'; JEVANS1 at co.pierce.wa.us; Sumona DasGupta; gochoa at spokanecity.org; 'Michelle Pham'; Nightingale, Noel; 'Nga Nguyen'; 'Joy Williams' Subject: Job Announcement - VP of Diversity and Inclusion at Earth Justice Please share this job announcement with your members and network. Thank you. Erica S. Chung 206-720-4996 | cell director at initiativefordiversitywa.org From: Jan Hasselman [mailto:jhasselman at earthjustice.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:10 PM To: 'Erica Chung' Subject: Job Announcement My organization is a 100-attorney environmental non profit law firm based in San Francisco. It's the largest and we like to think the most effective environmental law firm in the nation. Like many environmental groups, we continue to work hard to address our legacy as an organization who thinks of itself as serving everyone, but which has a long way to go in terms of looking like the country it serves. (There is a national effort among the big green groups to deal with this, the Green 2.0 movement, perhaps you've heard of it...infor here: http://diversegreen.org/) As part of that effort, we are hiring a VP level leader for the organization to focus on diversity and inclusion. This is not someone tucked into Human Resources but a direct report to the President. I would be so grateful if you could help circulate this job announcement. Resumes due June 3. http://earthjustice.org/about/jobs/32666/vice-president-diversity-and-inclusion All the best, From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu May 14 21:48:56 2015 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:48:56 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: The ACLU of WA is seeking a Staff Attorney for our Second Chances project In-Reply-To: <3e9d39b8f9a646309109e8a92abed902@exchange.hq.aclu-wa.org> References: <3e9d39b8f9a646309109e8a92abed902@exchange.hq.aclu-wa.org> Message-ID: <04F1893C93758F4AA7CB436BB2675066014EB24D33BA@EDUPTCEXMB02.ed.gov> Ability to obtain a Washington Bar license is required. From: Lindsay Andersen [mailto:landersen at aclu-wa.org] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:28 PM To: Nightingale, Noel Subject: The ACLU of WA is seeking a Staff Attorney for our Second Chances project Hello Noel, I hope you are doing well! As you may know, Vanessa Hernandez, our Second Chances Staff Attorney, will be changing positions here to head up our education equity work. That means that we are hiring for a Staff Attorney for our Second Chances project. Would you please share the job listing with the WADA membership? I've attached pdf, and the link is here: https://aclu-wa.org/second-chances-project-staff-attorney. Thank you for your help. Bests, Lindsay Lindsay Andersen Special Assistant to the Executive Director ACLU of Washington t 206.624.2184 ext. | f 206.624.2190 landersen at aclu-wa.org 901 Fifth Avenue, Suite 630 Seattle, WA 98164 www.aclu-wa.org [cid:image001.png at 01D08E4A.A34B2780] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 63345 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Legal - Second Chances Staff Attorney 2015-05.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 335196 bytes Desc: Legal - Second Chances Staff Attorney 2015-05.pdf URL: From tim at timeldermusic.com Thu May 14 23:07:31 2015 From: tim at timeldermusic.com (Tim Elder) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:07:31 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Barbri Advice In-Reply-To: <001201d08dc7$32266610$96733230$@gmail.com> References: <001201d08dc7$32266610$96733230$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005201d08e9a$c1821560$44864020$@timeldermusic.com> Hi Stephen, There are several on this list who have passed the CA bar via BARBRI. Feel free to give me a call. 410.415.3493. Regards, -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Alexander Marositz [mailto:samarositz at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:53 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Subject: [blindlaw] Barbri Advice Hi List I am beginning the Barbri course here in California. I will take the July bar. Any advice you have on navigating the Barbri experience would be very much appreciated. Sorry I don't have any specific questions, I am very much a nube and have almost no clue what to expect. Stephen Alexander Marositz From glnorman15 at hotmail.com Sat May 16 02:22:58 2015 From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GLNorman) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 22:22:58 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] A.D.A. 25: Lessons in Leadership and Legacy Message-ID: A.D.A. 25: Lessons in Leadership and Legacy on July 8, http://www.disabilityleadership25.org/ada25-lessons-in-leadership-and-legacy / Co-hosted by Gary C. Norman, Esq. L.L.M. 32d Degree Mason and Associate civil Rights Commissioner; and by Angela Fox, Esq. in Wash. D.C. Media sponsor: W.Y.P.R. If you have questions, do not hesitate to telephone Mr. Norman at (410) 241-6745 Sincerely, Gary C. Norman, Esq. L.L.M. From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net Tue May 19 09:07:52 2015 From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 02:07:52 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Methods for Reading Handwriting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74E66F95EF9544F89414EC8978CFCCAB@Spike> Years ago when I worked as a vocational expert for the Social Security Administration hearings office in Detroit I had to hire at my own expense a reader to review client files. While much of Social Security files have gone digital and attorneys/clients are given a CD ROM file it is not always compatible with all computers. I usually make a point to review a file in advance of the hearing to make sure that the files contain all necessary records as many times there are omissions and many records were not received or requests for records were not sent. I think the only way to go with this is a reader because many clients are overwhelmed with medical technology and a trained reader becomes familiar with what I want to know when reviewing a file. This would apply to all types of medical or technical records and some times information contained in a claim file can be upsetting to a client especially when dealing with a psychiatric condition. hope this helps. Chuck Krugman, MSW Paralegal 1237 P Street Fresno ca 93721 559-266-9237 -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier via blindlaw Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 3:35 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Methods for Reading Handwriting Hi, Depending on the length of the forms, their complexity and any litteracy issues, perhaps the best solution would be to get your clients to read these forms over to you at the meeting. In that way, your clients would definitely become familiar with the data - which after all does relate to their cases. One of the great concerns one has with clients from time to time is whether they are actually reading the material that they need to - however strongly they are advised to do so. The downsides to this approach are: 1. meetings may take longer; 2. some clients will be better at the reading required and/or more accommodating than others. Ger On 5/14/15, Angie Matney via blindlaw wrote: > I certainly have not found one. Unfortunately, I believe you will need > a sighted person to access handwritten materials. This doesn't mean > you can't do the work, but it does mean someone will have to read the > form or type it for you. Of course, depending on the size of your > office, there may not be someone in place right now to do this. Do you > have a legal assistant who could go over forms with you before you > talk with clients, or enter the data into blank versions of the forms? > > Sorry I don't have any better ideas for dealing with this. > > Angie > > > On 5/13/15, Gerard Sadlier via blindlaw wrote: >> Hi Kerri, >> >> I'd be glad to be corrected but I think the short answer is that there >> are no such programmes? >> >> Ger >> >> On 5/14/15, Kerri Regan via blindlaw wrote: >>> Hi everyone. I recently started my first full-time paralegal job at a >>> firm which deals primarily with Worker's Compensation and Social >>> Security-related cases. My position is mostly computer and >>> phone-based, communicating with clients and keeping track of a busy >>> caseload for my supervising attorney. The case management software >>> works well with JAWS and much of the paperwork the firm uses is >>> already scanned into the computer, but today I encountered a major >>> problem. There are forms that are filled out by medical professionals, >>> sent back to us and scanned into our system. While the forms >>> themselves are typed PDFs, many of the doctors fill them out by hand. >>> The handwriting comes across just fine for my sighted colleagues, but >>> when I tried reading the forms with JAWS' OCR utility I was only able >>> to read blank fields, not their content. Going over these forms with >>> clients is an important part of my job, and while my employers have >>> been wonderful and willing to adapt the position to better fit my >>> abilities, I'd prefer not to foist reading duties on one of my >>> colleagues and do all the work this position requires. I know many >>> OCR programs have trouble processing handwriting, but are there any >>> out there that might be an exception? I'm totally blind, familiar >>> with all Windows screenreaders and have the KNFB reader app on my >>> iPhone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for >>> your help, Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Tue May 19 09:14:59 2015 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:14:59 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Methods for Reading Handwriting In-Reply-To: <74E66F95EF9544F89414EC8978CFCCAB@Spike> References: <74E66F95EF9544F89414EC8978CFCCAB@Spike> Message-ID: Charles' point is a good one, particularly concerning upset of the client, I guess. Ger On 5/19/15, Charles Krugman via blindlaw wrote: > Years ago when I worked as a vocational expert for the Social Security > Administration hearings office in Detroit I had to hire at my own expense a > > reader to review client files. While much of Social Security files have gone > > digital and attorneys/clients are given a CD ROM file it is not always > compatible with all computers. I usually make a point to review a file in > advance of the hearing to make sure that the files contain all necessary > records as many times there are omissions and many records were not received > > or requests for records were not sent. I think the only way to go with this > > is a reader because many clients are overwhelmed with medical technology and > > a trained reader becomes familiar with what I want to know when reviewing a > > file. This would apply to all types of medical or technical records and some > > times information contained in a claim file can be upsetting to a client > especially when dealing with a psychiatric condition. hope this helps. > Chuck Krugman, MSW Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerard Sadlier via blindlaw > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 3:35 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Gerard Sadlier > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Methods for Reading Handwriting > > Hi, > > Depending on the length of the forms, their complexity and any > litteracy issues, perhaps the best solution would be to get your > clients to read these forms over to you at the meeting. In that way, > your clients would definitely become familiar with the data - which > after all does relate to their cases. One of the great concerns one > has with clients from time to time is whether they are actually > reading the material that they need to - however strongly they are > advised to do so. > > The downsides to this approach are: > 1. meetings may take longer; > 2. some clients will be better at the reading required and/or more > accommodating than others. > > Ger > > On 5/14/15, Angie Matney via blindlaw wrote: >> I certainly have not found one. Unfortunately, I believe you will need >> a sighted person to access handwritten materials. This doesn't mean >> you can't do the work, but it does mean someone will have to read the >> form or type it for you. Of course, depending on the size of your >> office, there may not be someone in place right now to do this. Do you >> have a legal assistant who could go over forms with you before you >> talk with clients, or enter the data into blank versions of the forms? >> >> Sorry I don't have any better ideas for dealing with this. >> >> Angie >> >> >> On 5/13/15, Gerard Sadlier via blindlaw wrote: >>> Hi Kerri, >>> >>> I'd be glad to be corrected but I think the short answer is that there >>> are no such programmes? >>> >>> Ger >>> >>> On 5/14/15, Kerri Regan via blindlaw wrote: >>>> Hi everyone. I recently started my first full-time paralegal job at a >>>> firm which deals primarily with Worker's Compensation and Social >>>> Security-related cases. My position is mostly computer and >>>> phone-based, communicating with clients and keeping track of a busy >>>> caseload for my supervising attorney. The case management software >>>> works well with JAWS and much of the paperwork the firm uses is >>>> already scanned into the computer, but today I encountered a major >>>> problem. There are forms that are filled out by medical professionals, >>>> sent back to us and scanned into our system. While the forms >>>> themselves are typed PDFs, many of the doctors fill them out by hand. >>>> The handwriting comes across just fine for my sighted colleagues, but >>>> when I tried reading the forms with JAWS' OCR utility I was only able >>>> to read blank fields, not their content. Going over these forms with >>>> clients is an important part of my job, and while my employers have >>>> been wonderful and willing to adapt the position to better fit my >>>> abilities, I'd prefer not to foist reading duties on one of my >>>> colleagues and do all the work this position requires. I know many >>>> OCR programs have trouble processing handwriting, but are there any >>>> out there that might be an exception? I'm totally blind, familiar >>>> with all Windows screenreaders and have the KNFB reader app on my >>>> iPhone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for >>>> your help, Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From glnorman15 at hotmail.com Tue May 19 19:17:20 2015 From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GLNorman) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:17:20 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Next in the Salon Series (Book Talk and Facilitated Dialogue) on May 28 in Greater Hampden, Md. Message-ID: Greetings: This is to encourage your attendance at the next in the Salon Series, one of the innovative product brands of the Mid-Atlantic Lyceum. The next in this interactive :"talk show" will occur on May 28 at Blue Pit BBQ and Whiskey Bar, http://www.disabilityleadership25.org/events/. The evening will include a pre-show yappy hour with drink specials and a drink named for Pilot as starting at 5:45 P.M.; and, as starting at 6:45 P.M., then will include the interview and the facilitated dialogue about the importance of animals to their human custodians and partners based on the opus of the remarkably talented and credentialed professor Brottman at M.I.C.A. with whom the Mid-Atlantic Lyceum has had the pleasure to collaborate, http://www.disabilityleadership25.org/events/. The Salon Series is one of the evolving product brands of the Mid-Atlantic Lyceum that brokers conversations and, as is our goal, better public policy on animals or on disabilities through the kind of consensus that conversation can bring. To provide your RSVP, reply offline herein; or telephone Mr. Norman at (410) 241-6745. Sincerely, Gary C. Norman, Esq. L.L.M. 32d Degree Mason (Pilot honorary) Co-Founder, President, and C.E.O. of the Mid-Atlantic Lyceum; and Co-Founder and Co-Executive Editor of the Mid-Atlantic Journal on L. and Pub. Policy The Power of Empowerment and of Ideas From d-benbow at live.com Wed May 20 21:57:25 2015 From: d-benbow at live.com (Dawn Benbow) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 17:57:25 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Methods for Reading Handwriting In-Reply-To: <74E66F95EF9544F89414EC8978CFCCAB@Spike> References: <74E66F95EF9544F89414EC8978CFCCAB@Spike> Message-ID: Hi, The office where I'm working has the interns read me anything that isn't in an accessible format, that works great in the small law office where I'm at. Dawn Benbow B.S., Paralegal Sent from my iPhone > On May 19, 2015, at 5:09 AM, Charles Krugman via blindlaw wrote: > > Years ago when I worked as a vocational expert for the Social Security Administration hearings office in Detroit I had to hire at my own expense a reader to review client files. While much of Social Security files have gone digital and attorneys/clients are given a CD ROM file it is not always compatible with all computers. I usually make a point to review a file in advance of the hearing to make sure that the files contain all necessary records as many times there are omissions and many records were not received or requests for records were not sent. I think the only way to go with this is a reader because many clients are overwhelmed with medical technology and a trained reader becomes familiar with what I want to know when reviewing a file. This would apply to all types of medical or technical records and some times information contained in a claim file can be upsetting to a client especially when dealing with a psychiatric condition. hope this helps. > Chuck Krugman, MSW Paralegal > 1237 P Street > Fresno ca 93721 > 559-266-9237 > > -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier via blindlaw > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 3:35 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Gerard Sadlier > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Methods for Reading Handwriting > > Hi, > > Depending on the length of the forms, their complexity and any > litteracy issues, perhaps the best solution would be to get your > clients to read these forms over to you at the meeting. In that way, > your clients would definitely become familiar with the data - which > after all does relate to their cases. One of the great concerns one > has with clients from time to time is whether they are actually > reading the material that they need to - however strongly they are > advised to do so. > > The downsides to this approach are: > 1. meetings may take longer; > 2. some clients will be better at the reading required and/or more > accommodating than others. > > Ger > >> On 5/14/15, Angie Matney via blindlaw wrote: >> I certainly have not found one. Unfortunately, I believe you will need >> a sighted person to access handwritten materials. This doesn't mean >> you can't do the work, but it does mean someone will have to read the >> form or type it for you. Of course, depending on the size of your >> office, there may not be someone in place right now to do this. Do you >> have a legal assistant who could go over forms with you before you >> talk with clients, or enter the data into blank versions of the forms? >> >> Sorry I don't have any better ideas for dealing with this. >> >> Angie >> >> >>> On 5/13/15, Gerard Sadlier via blindlaw wrote: >>> Hi Kerri, >>> >>> I'd be glad to be corrected but I think the short answer is that there >>> are no such programmes? >>> >>> Ger >>> >>>> On 5/14/15, Kerri Regan via blindlaw wrote: >>>> Hi everyone. I recently started my first full-time paralegal job at a >>>> firm which deals primarily with Worker's Compensation and Social >>>> Security-related cases. My position is mostly computer and >>>> phone-based, communicating with clients and keeping track of a busy >>>> caseload for my supervising attorney. The case management software >>>> works well with JAWS and much of the paperwork the firm uses is >>>> already scanned into the computer, but today I encountered a major >>>> problem. There are forms that are filled out by medical professionals, >>>> sent back to us and scanned into our system. While the forms >>>> themselves are typed PDFs, many of the doctors fill them out by hand. >>>> The handwriting comes across just fine for my sighted colleagues, but >>>> when I tried reading the forms with JAWS' OCR utility I was only able >>>> to read blank fields, not their content. Going over these forms with >>>> clients is an important part of my job, and while my employers have >>>> been wonderful and willing to adapt the position to better fit my >>>> abilities, I'd prefer not to foist reading duties on one of my >>>> colleagues and do all the work this position requires. I know many >>>> OCR programs have trouble processing handwriting, but are there any >>>> out there that might be an exception? I'm totally blind, familiar >>>> with all Windows screenreaders and have the KNFB reader app on my >>>> iPhone. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for >>>> your help, Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ckrugman%40sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/d-benbow%40live.com From taiablas at gmail.com Sat May 23 16:34:20 2015 From: taiablas at gmail.com (Tai Tomasi) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 11:34:20 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions Regarding Bar Exam for Braille Readers Message-ID: <041001d09576$524e7f20$f6eb7d60$@gmail.com> Hello all. I just received the contract from my state's bar examiners listing my approved accommodations for the July exam. I had requested the exam in Braille, but that accommodation was not granted. Instead, the exam will be provided in electronic format. I am uncertain whether I would find brailled or electronic exam materials most efficient, especially on the multi-state performance and essay exams. To those of you who have used both Braille and electronic formats for exams during your education, which do you think would be most efficient for the bar exam? I would be interested in hearing from individuals who took the bar exam using Braille and/or electronic formats. I have just begun my bar prep course, so it is difficult to decide which might be best at this point. I have taken exams in both formats throughout my academic career. I am a very fast Braille reader. Any feedback is appreciated. Best, Tai Tomasi From awildheir at gmail.com Sat May 23 18:33:01 2015 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 14:33:01 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions Regarding Bar Exam for Braille Readers In-Reply-To: <041001d09576$524e7f20$f6eb7d60$@gmail.com> References: <041001d09576$524e7f20$f6eb7d60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <35B95837-5D3E-4E6F-94EF-5E99C3DE82C4@gmail.com> I haven't been there and done that as of yet but my suggestion would be a Braille display. That will give you the best of both worlds. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Tai Tomasi via blindlaw wrote: > > Hello all. I just received the contract from my state's bar examiners > listing my approved accommodations for the July exam. I had requested the > exam in Braille, but that accommodation was not granted. Instead, the exam > will be provided in electronic format. I am uncertain whether I would find > brailled or electronic exam materials most efficient, especially on the > multi-state performance and essay exams. To those of you who have used both > Braille and electronic formats for exams during your education, which do you > think would be most efficient for the bar exam? I would be interested in > hearing from individuals who took the bar exam using Braille and/or > electronic formats. I have just begun my bar prep course, so it is difficult > to decide which might be best at this point. I have taken exams in both > formats throughout my academic career. I am a very fast Braille reader. Any > feedback is appreciated. > > Best, > > Tai Tomasi > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From al.elia at aol.com Sat May 23 18:39:29 2015 From: al.elia at aol.com (Al Elia) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 14:39:29 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions Regarding Bar Exam for Braille Readers In-Reply-To: <041001d09576$524e7f20$f6eb7d60$@gmail.com> References: <041001d09576$524e7f20$f6eb7d60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: For the essay portion, you're permitted to use your own computer. That means you should be able to use a braille display… I know that's not the same as paper, but it might be preferable if you're more comfortable with braille. Were you also given electronic as the accommodation for the MBE? Best, Al, who is brusquer than usual because he's typing on an iPhone. > On May 23, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Tai Tomasi via blindlaw wrote: > > Hello all. I just received the contract from my state's bar examiners > listing my approved accommodations for the July exam. I had requested the > exam in Braille, but that accommodation was not granted. Instead, the exam > will be provided in electronic format. I am uncertain whether I would find > brailled or electronic exam materials most efficient, especially on the > multi-state performance and essay exams. To those of you who have used both > Braille and electronic formats for exams during your education, which do you > think would be most efficient for the bar exam? I would be interested in > hearing from individuals who took the bar exam using Braille and/or > electronic formats. I have just begun my bar prep course, so it is difficult > to decide which might be best at this point. I have taken exams in both > formats throughout my academic career. I am a very fast Braille reader. Any > feedback is appreciated. > > Best, > > Tai Tomasi > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/al.elia%40aol.com From shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com Mon May 25 17:56:07 2015 From: shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com (Shelley Richards) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 13:56:07 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions Regarding Bar Exam for Braille Readers In-Reply-To: References: <041001d09576$524e7f20$f6eb7d60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I took the bar exam in an electronic format. I found it very convenient in that particular format. Although I did not ask for braille because I did not think I would be able to read the exam fast enough in braille. Taking the multistate performance test in electronic format was not a Challenge for me, I felt it was very similar to writing a memo using electronic research materials which I did all throughout law school. I had no difficulty with the essays in electronic format either, although this is how I took all of my law school exams as well. I also had all of my books for law school in electronic form, I got very little brailled materials throughout college and law school although I did have a lot of them in high school. Because I used electronic method so often in law school I felt it was probably the best for the exam. Now in practice most of the materials I deal with are also electronic so it worked out well to have done it that way. For the exam. I was however unable to get the MBE in an electronic format, and I had to do it with an audio cd and giving my answers to a transcriber tefillin. Although they let me use my computer to type my answers and read them back after each 50 questions to describe that way I could doublecheck with her that we had the same answers. I found this method for multiple choice questions very difficult because skipping back-and-forth and re-reading questions or answers with an audio CD was complicated and a little confusing at first, when I did the New York essay questions they were in electronic format and it was much much easier to do multiple choice in electronic rather than audio format. I was however granted permission to use whatever accessibility features of my computer were necessary for me to read the electronic version of the test, I would assume that that would've included a braille display had I wanted to use one. If you really do feel more comfortable with braille I would check to see whether not you were able to use a braille display to read the electronic version of the exam on your personal computer. You should definitely check with them as soon as possible though to find out if you can use the braille display. You don't want to practice the exam in one way and then get there and find out you can't use the braille display and now you have to take it in electronic format with a screen reader. If you do get permission to do with the braille display I would practice as much as you can using your computer with the braille display. If you do not have permission to use the braille display then I would recommend not practicing with the braille display as much as possible as well. I had to take the exam twice and I found that once I practiced it exclusively in the method I'd be using on the exam I did significantly better, and passed the last time by a considerable margin. It was largely the audio format for the MBE that messed me up the first time around, but when I practiced as much as possible with audio formatted questions the second time around I did a whole lot better. My score went from 130.2 to 146.1. That is a fairly large jump in points for this test. I very much believe that the improved performance was due to the fact that I practiced the test in the format that I had to take it in rather than practicing in the format I preferred. I also took a review course that I felt was better suited for me then Barbri, but I felt so much more comfortable because I practiced the format so much more that I really think that was the bigger improvement. Good luck, and I hope this helps you. Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2015, at 14:39, Al Elia via blindlaw wrote: > > For the essay portion, you're permitted to use your own computer. That means you should be able to use a braille display… I know that's not the same as paper, but it might be preferable if you're more comfortable with braille. Were you also given electronic as the accommodation for the MBE? > > Best, > > Al, who is brusquer than usual because he's typing on an iPhone. > >> On May 23, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Tai Tomasi via blindlaw wrote: >> >> Hello all. I just received the contract from my state's bar examiners >> listing my approved accommodations for the July exam. I had requested the >> exam in Braille, but that accommodation was not granted. Instead, the exam >> will be provided in electronic format. I am uncertain whether I would find >> brailled or electronic exam materials most efficient, especially on the >> multi-state performance and essay exams. To those of you who have used both >> Braille and electronic formats for exams during your education, which do you >> think would be most efficient for the bar exam? I would be interested in >> hearing from individuals who took the bar exam using Braille and/or >> electronic formats. I have just begun my bar prep course, so it is difficult >> to decide which might be best at this point. I have taken exams in both >> formats throughout my academic career. I am a very fast Braille reader. Any >> feedback is appreciated. >> >> Best, >> >> Tai Tomasi >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/al.elia%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shelleyrichards9%40gmail.com From glnorman15 at hotmail.com Wed May 27 01:25:46 2015 From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GLNorman) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 21:25:46 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Outreaching About 2016 Issue of the Mid-Atlantic Journal on Law and Public Policy Message-ID: c From devinenora at gmail.com Wed May 27 17:58:12 2015 From: devinenora at gmail.com (ND Devine) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 10:58:12 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games In-Reply-To: References: <5553e3c1.042d320a.6ee1.05ea@mx.google.com> <4CB8946E8D874FC9A09A4ED207B2E69A@mcglashonHP> <61CC35C5-4E12-4FFC-9794-3131ED09D39B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good luck to all the test takers! Have you seen the LSAT Accommodation Tip Sheet for Students who are Blind or Visually Impaired at http://www.nalswd.org/resources.html. Sorry if it was already discussed. Good luck! Best Regards, Nora Devine Tel: 415-952-7538 devinenora at gmail.com On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Nicole Askins via blindlaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > That's great advice. I still have pretty viable vision so I am a visual > learner. Thank you for your response I am trying a different method and AM > beginning to find most of the games fun. > On May 14, 2015 10:42 AM, "Shelley Richards via blindlaw" < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > Hello, > > I do not believe it's the case that a person who is totally blind since > > birth cannot do these games. I have been totally blind since birth and I > > actually did quite well on the logic games section. I'm not very much > help > > to others in the situation though because I just happen to be one of > those > > very fortunate people who can keep track of the stuff in my head. I > don't > > know how or why, but I've always been very good at stuff like this. I'm > > also very good at doing even particularly complicated math problems in my > > head. Most people I know who are totally blind and have done well on this > > section either did it with an XL spreadsheet or by using some sort of > > tactile system but not actual braille. One person I know used a tactile > > drawing kit with the rubber mat and the tool for drawling raised line > > pictures. I do know somebody who used a Slayton stylus as well to make > > marks on paper that would give them enough help to figure it out. The > > majority of people I know who have taken this test used an Excel > > spreadsheet though. I actually thought the logic games were the best > part > > of the test, I found them fun because I enjoy that sort of thing. > Although > > among the group of blind people I know who have taken this test it seems > > like those who already enjoyed it had a knack for the sort of thing found > > the section not too difficult and those who did not have a natural knack > > for doing this sort of thing could never find a way to make it easy for > > themselves. Although I will say all of those people still did alright and > > got into law school. Most people I know practiced the logic games on a > > daily basis leading up to the test, and they tried various methods of how > > to approach the logic games before requesting their accommodations so > they > > knew exactly what they felt was going to work best for them. It's hard > to > > give somebody step-by-step instructions on how best to do it because what > > works for one person is not necessarily going to work for another person, > > and perhaps you need to try something completely different but nobody > else > > is done. Just based on the conversations I've had with various people my > > recommendation would be to use an XL spreadsheet and less you are the > type > > of person who really needs a visual tactile reference in which case the > > raised line drawing kids combined with a slate and stylus seem to be > the > > best option. My two friends who did the best on the LSAT and we're not > > particularly good at logic games used an XL spreadsheet, however they are > > both the type of person who learns best with auditory methods. They both > > been blind since birth or very young and don't remember being able to see > > so maybe that is why they learn best auditorily. Just try every > possible > > method you can think of, and every method that anybody can suggest to you > > until you figure out which way is going to work best. Good luck I hope > you > > do well. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On May 13, 2015, at 20:16, mike mcglashon via blindlaw < > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Guys: > > > > > > I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in June. > > I took it in February and did 138. I thought that was fabulous but I > guess > > the law schools don't like that score. As far as the logic games, I > found > > that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille > > writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my > > mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any > > better at it. I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very specific > > followable instructions to tackle such games. Are there tutors out there > > who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles? someone like a > > shrink who understands how the human brain works? I am actually > > considering just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to > hit > > on a couple of them just by chance. My theory is that the logic > reasoning > > is two sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the > > reading section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and > then > > let the chips fall where they may. > > > > > > What do you guys think of this? Is it possible that since totally > blind > > persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the > > detriment when it comes to these games? > > > > > > Please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM > > > To: Blind Law Mailing List > > > Cc: Kelby Carlson > > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > > > > > Nicole, > > > > > > Michal is right about this. As much as you may hate to hear > > > this, it's probably better to hold off on taking the test until > > > September. I would actually begin the accommodation process > > > right now; it is literally never too early to start in this case. > > > You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you > > > think you might need, and in very specific detail. I made this > > > mistake and was not able to use the accommodations for the logic > > > games that I had planned. Fortunately I was still able to obtain > > > a reasonable score, but in many ways I was lucky. > > > > > > As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's. I also had some luck > > > using symbols on a braille display. IT will take a good deal of > > > experimentation and practice. Use lots of practice tests with > > > different problems and groupings. See if things click, and don't > > > be afraid to try different methods with different sorts of sets. > > > > > > K. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw > > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > > Date sent: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:10:54 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > > > > > Hi Nicole, > > > > > > When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel > > > spreadsheet to > > > sketch out the games. I chose Excel over tactile objects because > > > I quickly > > > discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various > > > conditions > > > that way. > > > > > > For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups, > > > as those are > > > the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members > > > of each > > > group in the cells below the appropriate group headings. I also > > > recommend a > > > separate row for all the rules. The key to success on logic > > > games is > > > working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to > > > experiment. > > > > > > You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games, > > > so don't > > > even try taking the easy way out. In fact, I was very fortunate > > > to get all > > > the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had > > > major > > > difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does > > > not like to > > > work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their > > > needs are met. > > > With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT > > > in June, > > > since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are > > > not in a > > > position to request specific accommodations. You can't, for > > > instance, > > > decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and > > > show up on > > > the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program; > > > each > > > accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and > > > the process > > > for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming. As a > > > matter of > > > fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed. > > > > > > Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at > > > mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if you > > > have further questions. Good luck! > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > > > Nicole > > > Askins via blindlaw > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM > > > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > > Cc: Nicole Askins > > > Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games > > > > > > Greetings all, > > > > > > > > > I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for > > > giving me > > > information about it. > > > I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and > > > can not seem > > > to get a handle on the Grouping Games. since some of you may > > > have experience > > > with this test, please advise. > > > 1. Did anyone have this section of the test omitted? > > > 2. how did you create the diagrams if not omitted? > > > > > > Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole > > > Askins > > > _______________________________________________ > > > blindlaw mailing list > > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > > blindlaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%4 > > > 0icloud.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > blindlaw mailing list > > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for blindlaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso > > > n%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > blindlaw mailing list > > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40comcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > blindlaw mailing list > > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shelleyrichards9%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blindlaw mailing list > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > blindlaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/devinenora%40gmail.com > From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed May 27 20:53:59 2015 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 15:53:59 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Assistant United States Attorney, USAO Eastern District of Washington job announcement In-Reply-To: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE1623410110B7811B8C@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> References: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE1623410110B7811B8C@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> Message-ID: <04F1893C93758F4AA7CB436BB2675066014EB24D3C9C@EDUPTCEXMB02.ed.gov> Link: http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-204 Text: Assistant United States Attorney USAO Eastern District of Washington Attorney 402 East Yakima Ave, #210 Yakima, WA 98901. United States 2015-4 About the Office: The United States Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Washington has three offices. The main office is located in Spokane, a branch office is located in Yakima, and an unstaffed office is located in Richland. This District employs approximately 55 personnel, including six Assistant United States Attorneys and five support staff assigned to the Yakima branch office. The office has a competent, friendly, and talented staff, and an outstanding relationship with its client-agencies. Job Description: The office currently has an Assistant United States Attorney position available in the Criminal Division, Yakima branch office. The attorney selected will be part of a dedicated team assisting in the enforcement and prosecution of federal criminal laws. The primary assignments for this attorney will include the investigation and prosecution of a wide-range of criminal matters involving firearms, drug trafficking, immigration, counterfeiting, child exploitation, explosives, and violent crimes. Other assignments will include participation in reentry court, prison outreach and other outreach programs as part of the District's Smart on Crime action plan. This is a full-time, permanent position. The branch office is located in the city of Yakima in central Washington. The Eastern District of Washington is comprised of 20 counties and is bordered by Canada to the north, Oregon to the south, Idaho to the east, and the summit of the Cascade Mountains to the west. This area is rich in rolling farm land, forested mountains, and arid desert. Because this area celebrates four distinct seasons, recreational opportunities are numerous and include, bicycling, hiking, snow skiing, water sports, fishing and hunting. More information on Yakima and its educational opportunities, medical facilities, arts, sports, etc., can be viewed on the internet at http://www.yakimawa.gov. Qualifications: Required qualifications: Applicants must possess a J.D. degree, be an active member of the bar (any jurisdiction), and have at least 2 years post-J.D. experience. United States citizenship is required. Preferred qualifications: Applicants must possess excellent research and writing skills, superior oral communication skills, and a demonstrated capacity to function, with minimal guidance, in a highly demanding environment. Ideal applicants will possess significant trial experience. Applicants must exhibit the ability to work in a supportive and professional manner with attorney team leaders, attorneys, staff, and client agencies. Salary: Assistant United States Attorneys' pay is administratively determined based, in part, on the number years of professional attorney experience. The range of basic pay is $45,477 to $120,365 plus locality pay where authorized. Travel: The attorney selected for this position in the Yakima branch office will travel occasionally to Richland, which is approximately 85 miles from Yakima, and occasionally to Spokane which is approximately 200 miles from Yakima. Application Process: Interested applicants should send a cover letter and resume to: United States Attorneys Office, Attn: Kathy Devlin, Administrative Services Specialist, Post Office Box 1494, Spokane, Washington 99210-1494 (or 920 West Riverside Avenue, Suite 340, Spokane, WA 99201). No telephone calls please. Applications must be received in the office or post-marked no later than June 3, 2015. For additional information on the United States Attorneys Office, Eastern District of Washington, refer to our internet site at http://www.justice.gov/usao/wae/ This and other attorney vacancy announcements can be found at: http://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies Application Deadline: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 Relocation Expenses: Relocation expenses are not authorized. Number of Positions: 1 Updated May 21, 2015 Department Policies Equal Employment Opportunity: The U.S. Department of Justice is an Equal Opportunity/Reasonable Accommodation Employer. Except where otherwise provided by law, there will be no discrimination because of color, race, religion, national origin, political affiliation, marital status, disability (physical or mental), age, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, genetic information, status as a parent, membership or non-membership in an employee organization, on the basis of personal favoritism, or any other non-merit factor. The Department of Justice welcomes and encourages applications from persons with physical and mental disabilities. The Department is firmly committed to satisfying its affirmative obligations under the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, to ensure that persons with disabilities have every opportunity to be hired and advanced on the basis of merit within the Department of Justice. Reasonable Accommodations: This agency provides reasonable accommodation to applicants with disabilities where appropriate. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please notify the agency. Determinations on requests for reasonable accommodation will be made on a case-by-case basis. Outreach and Recruitment for Qualified Applicants with Disabilities: The Department encourages qualified applicants with disabilities, including individuals with targeted/severe disabilities to apply in response to posted vacancy announcements. 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Employment is also contingent upon the completion and satisfactory adjudication of a background investigation. Only U.S. citizens are eligible for employment with the Executive Office for Immigration Review and the United States Attorneys' Offices. Unless otherwise indicated in a particular job advertisement, non-U.S. Citizens may apply for employment with other organizations, but should be advised that appointments of non-U.S. Citizens are extremely rare; such appointments would be possible only if necessary to accomplish the Department's mission and would be subject to strict security requirements. Applicants who hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and another country will be considered on a case-by-case basis. Veterans: There is no formal rating system for applying veterans' preference to attorney appointments in the excepted service; however, the Department of Justice considers veterans' preference eligibility as a positive factor in attorney hiring. Applicants eligible for veterans' preference must include that information in their cover letter or resume and attach supporting documentation (e.g., the DD 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty and other supporting documentation) to their submissions. Although the "point" system is not used, per se, applicants eligible to claim 10-point preference must submit Standard Form (SF) 15, Application for 10-Point Veteran Preference, and submit the supporting documentation required for the specific type of preference claimed (visit the OPM website, www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/SF15.pdf for a copy of SF 15, which lists the types of 10-point preferences and the required supporting document(s). Applicants should note that SF 15 requires supporting documentation associated with service- connected disabilities or receipt of nonservice-connected disability pensions to be dated 1991 or later except in the case of service members submitting official statements or retirement orders from a branch of the Armed Forces showing that his or her retirement was due to a permanent service-connected disability or that he/she was transferred to the permanent disability retired list (the statement or retirement orders must indicate that the disability is 10% or more). This and other vacancy announcements can be found under Attorney Vacancies and Volunteer Legal Internships. The Department of Justice cannot control further dissemination and/or posting of information contained in this vacancy announcement. Such posting and/or dissemination is not an endorsement by the Department of the organization or group disseminating and/or posting the information. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu May 28 17:01:04 2015 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 12:01:04 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] ExamSoft settles 'barmageddon' suit; did problems lead to lower exam scores?, ABA Journal, May 18 2015 In-Reply-To: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE1623410110B7811C3F@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> References: <41370810CEBD1C4DA64C9361CE1623410110B7811C3F@EDUPTCEXMB01.ed.gov> Message-ID: <04F1893C93758F4AA7CB436BB2675066014EB24D3CEF@EDUPTCEXMB02.ed.gov> Thought SOME ON THIS LIST MIGHT FIND THIS OF INTEREST. Link: http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/examsoft_settles_barmageddon_suit_did_problems_lead_to_lower_exam_scores/?utm_campaign=weekly_email&utm_source=maestro&job_id=150520BC&utm_medium=email Text: ExamSoft settles 'barmageddon' suit; did problems lead to lower exam scores? Posted May 18, 2015 06:15 am CDT By Debra Cassens Weiss Bar exam takers who experienced delays and failures when trying to upload completed exams last July are entitled to $90 each as a result of a class action settlement. The software maker, ExamSoft Worldwide Inc., agreed to pay $2.1 million to settle a class action in five consolidated lawsuits, the National Law Journal (sub. req.) reports. U.S. District Judge Ursula Ungaro of Miami gave preliminary approval to the settlement on Tuesday. The technical glitches affected test takers in 43 states, leading bloggers to dub the problems "Barmageddon." The July bar exam results were the lowest in a decade. Erica Moeser, president of the National Conference of Bar Examiners, suggested in a memo that the problem was caused by a group of test takers that was "less able" in 2014. Professor Jerry Organ of the University of St. Thomas School of Law in Minneapolis argued in a Legal Whiteboard post last week that the "ExamSoft debacle" is at least partly responsible for the lower scores. Organ says the technical problems occurred on a Tuesday when exam takers-who were initially informed they would fail the exam if their answers weren't submitted in a timely manner-were trying to upload essay answers. On Wednesday, these test-takers were scheduled to take the multistate bar exam. Given that thousands of test-takers spent Tuesday night "completely anxious and stressed out trying repeatedly and unsuccessfully to upload their essay answers, should it be a surprise that they might have underperformed somewhat on the MBE on Wednesday?" Organ asks. From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Thu May 28 20:49:08 2015 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Dan Beitz) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:49:08 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next Message-ID: Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. [wg logo] Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. 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Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. _______________________________________________ blindlaw mailing list blindlaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail.com From aloshamoore at gmail.com Thu May 28 22:07:26 2015 From: aloshamoore at gmail.com (Alosha Moore) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 08:07:26 +1000 Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9175FC3F-EF6F-4291-9BDA-347B4404E82D@gmail.com> I use Westlaw next with jobs as well and I concur with Carla. it seems pretty well accessible although it could use to be made a little quicker to navigate with a screen reader. Best, Alosha Moore. Sent from my iPhone. > On May 29, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Karla Gilbride via blindlaw wrote: > > What sorts of problems are you having? I love Westlaw Next and find it much easier to use than Westlaw Classic. (I use JAWS 16.) > > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:49:08 +0000 > Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next > From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > CC: dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. > > > [wg logo] > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached > to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are > not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email > to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to > this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning > us at (248) 841-9400. > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aloshamoore%40gmail.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Thu May 28 22:10:42 2015 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 18:10:42 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next In-Reply-To: <9175FC3F-EF6F-4291-9BDA-347B4404E82D@gmail.com> References: <9175FC3F-EF6F-4291-9BDA-347B4404E82D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Echo all of the above. I use west law next exclusively with jaws, and have never had any accessibility problems. That being said, it did take awhile for me to figure out how pages are laid out, etc. if you give more specific information on the problems you're having, I'd be happy to help. Laura On 5/28/15, Alosha Moore via blindlaw wrote: > I use Westlaw next with jobs as well and I concur with Carla. it seems > pretty well accessible although it could use to be made a little quicker to > navigate with a screen reader. > Best, Alosha Moore. > > Sent from my iPhone. > >> On May 29, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Karla Gilbride via blindlaw >> wrote: >> >> What sorts of problems are you having? I love Westlaw Next and find it >> much easier to use than Westlaw Classic. (I use JAWS 16.) >> >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:49:08 +0000 >> Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next >> From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> CC: dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off >> Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. >> >> >> [wg logo] >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email >> messages attached >> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If >> you are >> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering >> this email >> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >> copying, >> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or >> attached to >> this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication >> in error, >> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by >> telephoning >> us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aloshamoore%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com > -- Laura Wolk Notre Dame Law Review, Federal Courts and Submissions Editor, Vol. 91 Notre Dame Law School, J.D. Candidate, 2016 (484) 695-8234 From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Fri May 29 00:10:20 2015 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 01:10:20 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next In-Reply-To: References: <9175FC3F-EF6F-4291-9BDA-347B4404E82D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Daniel, all, Not directly relevant but just to note that the Westlaw.co.uk (English and Scottish law) site is a model of everything an accessible website should be. So too is the westlaw.ie site (Irish law). They should be able to do this right. Ger On 5/28/15, Laura Wolk via blindlaw wrote: > Echo all of the above. I use west law next exclusively with jaws, and > have never had any accessibility problems. That being said, it did > take awhile for me to figure out how pages are laid out, etc. if you > give more specific information on the problems you're having, I'd be > happy to help. > > Laura > > On 5/28/15, Alosha Moore via blindlaw wrote: >> I use Westlaw next with jobs as well and I concur with Carla. it seems >> pretty well accessible although it could use to be made a little quicker >> to >> navigate with a screen reader. >> Best, Alosha Moore. >> >> Sent from my iPhone. >> >>> On May 29, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Karla Gilbride via blindlaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> What sorts of problems are you having? I love Westlaw Next and find it >>> much easier to use than Westlaw Classic. (I use JAWS 16.) >>> >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:49:08 +0000 >>> Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next >>> From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> CC: dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off >>> Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. >>> >>> >>> [wg logo] >>> >>> Daniel K. Beitz >>> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >>> Rochester, MI 48307 >>> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >>> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> www.wiennergould.com >>> >>> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email >>> messages attached >>> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. >>> If >>> you are >>> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering >>> this email >>> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >>> copying, >>> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or >>> attached to >>> this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this >>> communication >>> in error, >>> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or >>> by >>> telephoning >>> us at (248) 841-9400. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aloshamoore%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Laura Wolk > Notre Dame Law Review, Federal Courts and Submissions Editor, Vol. 91 > Notre Dame Law School, J.D. Candidate, 2016 > (484) 695-8234 > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From laura.wolk at gmail.com Fri May 29 20:02:16 2015 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 16:02:16 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] highlighting in westlaw Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone know how to, using jaws, highlight text from cases on westlaw and print the pdf containing the highlight? Thanks, Laura On 5/28/15, Alosha Moore via blindlaw wrote: > I use Westlaw next with jobs as well and I concur with Carla. it seems > pretty well accessible although it could use to be made a little quicker to > navigate with a screen reader. > Best, Alosha Moore. > > Sent from my iPhone. > >> On May 29, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Karla Gilbride via blindlaw >> wrote: >> >> What sorts of problems are you having? I love Westlaw Next and find it >> much easier to use than Westlaw Classic. (I use JAWS 16.) >> >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:49:08 +0000 >> Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next >> From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> CC: dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off >> Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. >> >> >> [wg logo] >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email >> messages attached >> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If >> you are >> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering >> this email >> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >> copying, >> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or >> attached to >> this email is strictly prohibited. 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Candidate, 2016 (484) 695-8234 From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Fri May 29 21:05:15 2015 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 22:05:15 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] highlighting in westlaw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd be glad to learn how this is done, either in Westlaw or in Adobe - presumably you could save the pdfs and then high-light if you could do this in Adobe? Thanks Ger On 5/29/15, Laura Wolk via blindlaw wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know how to, using jaws, highlight text from cases on > westlaw and print the pdf containing the highlight? > > Thanks, > > Laura > On 5/28/15, Alosha Moore via blindlaw wrote: >> I use Westlaw next with jobs as well and I concur with Carla. it seems >> pretty well accessible although it could use to be made a little quicker >> to >> navigate with a screen reader. >> Best, Alosha Moore. >> >> Sent from my iPhone. >> >>> On May 29, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Karla Gilbride via blindlaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> What sorts of problems are you having? I love Westlaw Next and find it >>> much easier to use than Westlaw Classic. (I use JAWS 16.) >>> >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:49:08 +0000 >>> Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next >>> From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> CC: dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off >>> Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. >>> >>> >>> [wg logo] >>> >>> Daniel K. Beitz >>> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >>> Rochester, MI 48307 >>> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >>> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> www.wiennergould.com >>> >>> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email >>> messages attached >>> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. >>> If >>> you are >>> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering >>> this email >>> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >>> copying, >>> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or >>> attached to >>> this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this >>> communication >>> in error, >>> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or >>> by >>> telephoning >>> us at (248) 841-9400. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aloshamoore%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Laura Wolk > Notre Dame Law Review, Federal Courts and Submissions Editor, Vol. 91 > Notre Dame Law School, J.D. Candidate, 2016 > (484) 695-8234 > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From davant1958 at gmail.com Sat May 30 12:18:21 2015 From: davant1958 at gmail.com (Denise Avant) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 07:18:21 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: ABA Journal Article: The biggest hurdle for lawyers with disabilities are preconceptions References: <536A6F8F8486F94A982D8431ACEF3CC00136C547@EXCH-MB-02.aba.ad.abanet.org> Message-ID: <51BB4851-B340-435B-AA23-6E9C4183DD5D@gmail.com> Denise R. Avant President, National Federation Of The Blind Of Illinois Live the life you want > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "Allbright, Amy" > Subject: ABA Journal Article: The biggest hurdle for lawyers with disabilities are preconceptions > Date: May 29, 2015 at 3:17:32 PM CDT > To: 3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG > Reply-To: "The Disability Discussion Docket (3D)" <3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG>, "Allbright, Amy" > > http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/the_biggest_hurdle_for_lawyers_with_disabilities_preconceptions > > > > Amy L. Allbright > Director > Commission on Disability Rights (CDR) - Mail Stop 11.0 > American Bar Association (ABA) > 1050 Connecticut Avenue, NW Suite 400 > Washington, DC 20036 > T: 202.662.1575 > F: 202.442.3439 > Amy.Allbright at americanbar.org > http://www.americanbar.org/groups/disabilityrights.html > > > > From tim at timeldermusic.com Sat May 30 13:08:17 2015 From: tim at timeldermusic.com (Tim Elder) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 06:08:17 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] highlighting in westlaw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <060d01d09ad9$b1b479c0$151d6d40$@timeldermusic.com> The last time I tried using this it was not a convenient way to accomplish the task. Assuming nothing has changed in several years, you had to select the text and then change cursors to navigate to the combo box option for print selection without changing focus in the virtual viewer. This may now look different in Westlaw Next. Frankly, it seems so much easier to copy the selected text to the clipboard and then append the citation to the clipboard immediately following the quote (Windows key + insert + c). You can then append the page number to the clipboard if needed. I'm curious if anyone is using Westlaw's MS Word toolbar. -----Original Message----- From: Laura Wolk [mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:02 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] highlighting in westlaw Hi all, Does anyone know how to, using jaws, highlight text from cases on westlaw and print the pdf containing the highlight? Thanks, Laura On 5/28/15, Alosha Moore via blindlaw wrote: > I use Westlaw next with jobs as well and I concur with Carla. it > seems pretty well accessible although it could use to be made a little > quicker to navigate with a screen reader. > Best, Alosha Moore. > > Sent from my iPhone. > >> On May 29, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Karla Gilbride via blindlaw >> wrote: >> >> What sorts of problems are you having? I love Westlaw Next and find >> it much easier to use than Westlaw Classic. (I use JAWS 16.) >> >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:49:08 +0000 >> Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next >> From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> CC: dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning >> off Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. >> >> >> [wg logo] >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email >> messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is >> legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the >> individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended >> recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or >> distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or >> attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive >> this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying >> to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40h >> otmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aloshamoore%40g >> mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gma > il.com > -- Laura Wolk Notre Dame Law Review, Federal Courts and Submissions Editor, Vol. 91 Notre Dame Law School, J.D. Candidate, 2016 (484) 695-8234 From al.elia at aol.com Sat May 30 13:09:34 2015 From: al.elia at aol.com (ALBERT ELIA) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 09:09:34 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] highlighting in westlaw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B055CBC-2D71-47CA-8C1F-700B6B6F4F71@aol.com> I know this is not what you're looking for, but use the download feature to download as docx, rtf, or whatever, then open it up and highlight in Word, then print/save to pdf. *Guaranteed* results :) On May 29, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Laura Wolk via blindlaw wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know how to, using jaws, highlight text from cases on > westlaw and print the pdf containing the highlight? > > Thanks, > > Laura > On 5/28/15, Alosha Moore via blindlaw wrote: >> I use Westlaw next with jobs as well and I concur with Carla. it seems >> pretty well accessible although it could use to be made a little quicker to >> navigate with a screen reader. >> Best, Alosha Moore. >> >> Sent from my iPhone. >> >>> On May 29, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Karla Gilbride via blindlaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> What sorts of problems are you having? I love Westlaw Next and find it >>> much easier to use than Westlaw Classic. (I use JAWS 16.) >>> >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:49:08 +0000 >>> Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next >>> From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> CC: dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off >>> Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. >>> >>> >>> [wg logo] >>> >>> Daniel K. Beitz >>> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >>> Rochester, MI 48307 >>> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >>> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> www.wiennergould.com >>> >>> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email >>> messages attached >>> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If >>> you are >>> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering >>> this email >>> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >>> copying, >>> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or >>> attached to >>> this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication >>> in error, >>> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by >>> telephoning >>> us at (248) 841-9400. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aloshamoore%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Laura Wolk > Notre Dame Law Review, Federal Courts and Submissions Editor, Vol. 91 > Notre Dame Law School, J.D. Candidate, 2016 > (484) 695-8234 > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/al.elia%40aol.com From tim at timeldermusic.com Sat May 30 13:35:18 2015 From: tim at timeldermusic.com (Tim Elder) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 06:35:18 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <061201d09add$785969c0$690c3d40$@timeldermusic.com> Hi all, Westlaw Next is somewhat usable, but it lacks accessibility on many features and is not as efficient to navigate as Classic. I've complained to West about the accessibility of its myaccount administrative website for those who pay bills and do other admin functions for a Westlaw account. Others should express concern to West about the accessibility of Next. It is not 508 compliant and certain items should be mended now that we are being forced to migrate. Regards, -----Original Message----- From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:49 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. [wg logo] Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Sat May 30 15:29:48 2015 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Dan Beitz) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 15:29:48 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next In-Reply-To: <061201d09add$785969c0$690c3d40$@timeldermusic.com> References: <061201d09add$785969c0$690c3d40$@timeldermusic.com> Message-ID: I agree, and I will contact them and let them know. West law classic was allot cleaner and simpler to use. I appreciate everyone's help though; I am learning west law next. Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Elder [mailto:tim at timeldermusic.com] Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 9:35 AM To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Scott C. LaBarre Subject: RE: [blindlaw] West Law Next Hi all, Westlaw Next is somewhat usable, but it lacks accessibility on many features and is not as efficient to navigate as Classic. I've complained to West about the accessibility of its myaccount administrative website for those who pay bills and do other admin functions for a Westlaw account. Others should express concern to West about the accessibility of Next. It is not 508 compliant and certain items should be mended now that we are being forced to migrate. Regards, -----Original Message----- From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:49 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. [wg logo] Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. From laura.wolk at gmail.com Sat May 30 16:08:23 2015 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 12:08:23 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] highlighting in westlaw In-Reply-To: <8B055CBC-2D71-47CA-8C1F-700B6B6F4F71@aol.com> References: <8B055CBC-2D71-47CA-8C1F-700B6B6F4F71@aol.com> Message-ID: <91618AAA-3CD3-45B2-A9A6-EAB07872EC98@gmail.com> Thanks so much, Al! The goal is to be able to send highlighted cases to partners, so Tim's version, though useful, is not what I'm looking for. This sounds like it is a great alternative option. Laura Wolk Notre Dame Law Review J.D. Candidate, 2016, Notre Dame Law School (484) 695-8234 Sent from a mobile device > On May 30, 2015, at 9:09 AM, ALBERT ELIA via blindlaw wrote: > > I know this is not what you're looking for, but use the download feature to download as docx, rtf, or whatever, then open it up and highlight in Word, then print/save to pdf. > > *Guaranteed* results :) > >> On May 29, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Laura Wolk via blindlaw wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Does anyone know how to, using jaws, highlight text from cases on >> westlaw and print the pdf containing the highlight? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Laura >>> On 5/28/15, Alosha Moore via blindlaw wrote: >>> I use Westlaw next with jobs as well and I concur with Carla. it seems >>> pretty well accessible although it could use to be made a little quicker to >>> navigate with a screen reader. >>> Best, Alosha Moore. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone. >>> >>>> On May 29, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Karla Gilbride via blindlaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> What sorts of problems are you having? I love Westlaw Next and find it >>>> much easier to use than Westlaw Classic. (I use JAWS 16.) >>>> >>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:49:08 +0000 >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next >>>> From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> CC: dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>>> >>>> Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off >>>> Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. >>>> >>>> >>>> [wg logo] >>>> >>>> Daniel K. Beitz >>>> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >>>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >>>> Rochester, MI 48307 >>>> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >>>> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >>>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>>> >>>> www.wiennergould.com >>>> >>>> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email >>>> messages attached >>>> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If >>>> you are >>>> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering >>>> this email >>>> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >>>> copying, >>>> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or >>>> attached to >>>> this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication >>>> in error, >>>> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by >>>> telephoning >>>> us at (248) 841-9400. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> blindlaw mailing list >>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> blindlaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/aloshamoore%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Laura Wolk >> Notre Dame Law Review, Federal Courts and Submissions Editor, Vol. 91 >> Notre Dame Law School, J.D. Candidate, 2016 >> (484) 695-8234 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/al.elia%40aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Sat May 30 16:16:50 2015 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 21:46:50 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] highlighting in westlaw In-Reply-To: <91618AAA-3CD3-45B2-A9A6-EAB07872EC98@gmail.com> References: <8B055CBC-2D71-47CA-8C1F-700B6B6F4F71@aol.com> <91618AAA-3CD3-45B2-A9A6-EAB07872EC98@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I have a question which is quite germane to this discussion - what is the most expeditious way to copy-paste pertinent paragraphs of a judgment into a word document without affecting the formatting? The biggest problem that I face with conventional copy-paste is that the pasted portion contains a lot of unnecessary line breaks each of which has to be removed manually. Is there any way to circumvent this? Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Laura Wolk via blindlaw wrote: > > Thanks so much, Al! The goal is to be able to send highlighted cases to partners, so Tim's version, though useful, is not what I'm looking for. This sounds like it is a great alternative option. > > Laura Wolk > Notre Dame Law Review > J.D. Candidate, 2016, Notre Dame Law School > (484) 695-8234 > > Sent from a mobile device > >> On May 30, 2015, at 9:09 AM, ALBERT ELIA via blindlaw wrote: >> >> I know this is not what you're looking for, but use the download feature to download as docx, rtf, or whatever, then open it up and highlight in Word, then print/save to pdf. >> >> *Guaranteed* results :) >> >>> On May 29, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Laura Wolk via blindlaw wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Does anyone know how to, using jaws, highlight text from cases on >>> westlaw and print the pdf containing the highlight? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Laura >>>> On 5/28/15, Alosha Moore via blindlaw wrote: >>>> I use Westlaw next with jobs as well and I concur with Carla. it seems >>>> pretty well accessible although it could use to be made a little quicker to >>>> navigate with a screen reader. >>>> Best, Alosha Moore. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone. >>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Karla Gilbride via blindlaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What sorts of problems are you having? I love Westlaw Next and find it >>>>> much easier to use than Westlaw Classic. (I use JAWS 16.) >>>>> >>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:49:08 +0000 >>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next >>>>> From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> CC: dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>>>> >>>>> Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off >>>>> Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [wg logo] >>>>> >>>>> Daniel K. Beitz >>>>> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >>>>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >>>>> Rochester, MI 48307 >>>>> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >>>>> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >>>>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>>>> >>>>> www.wiennergould.com >>>>> >>>>> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email >>>>> messages attached >>>>> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If >>>>> you are >>>>> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering >>>>> this email >>>>> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, >>>>> copying, >>>>> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or >>>>> attached to >>>>> this email is strictly prohibited. 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Candidate, 2016 >>> (484) 695-8234 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> blindlaw mailing list >>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/al.elia%40aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blindlaw mailing list >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com From cjdavis9193 at gmail.com Sat May 30 16:33:08 2015 From: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com (Cody J. Davis) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 12:33:08 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next In-Reply-To: References: <061201d09add$785969c0$690c3d40$@timeldermusic.com> Message-ID: <1F78C78B-F7B3-4ED6-9D45-4467DF5D48E2@gmail.com> Hi everyone, In my experience, as a law student and current intern, I have found WestLaw Next to be much more accessible than Lexis, HeinOnline, FastCase, etc. That said, I never had to use WestLaw classic because I was able to access Westlaw Next before it’s official release. One thing I have noticed that is very frustrating with WestLaw next is that many of the pop-up boxes that appear when trying to download a case, email a case, or give WestLaw feedback are not recognized by my screen reader. I should note I am using VoiceOver, not JAWS.I have a few questions for you all: 1. Has anyone else experienced problems with the pop-up boxes in WestLaw Next? 2. Was this a problem in WestLaw Classic? 3. Does anyone have reason to believe this is a VoiceOver specific problem. My law school’s librarian, my law school’s WestLaw rep, and I have all contacted WestLaw with this problem but they have not been helpful at all. Thanks, Cody J. Davis > On May 30, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Dan Beitz via blindlaw wrote: > > I agree, and I will contact them and let them know. West law classic was allot cleaner and simpler to use. I appreciate everyone's help though; I am learning west law next. > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached > to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are > not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email > to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to > this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning > us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Elder [mailto:tim at timeldermusic.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 9:35 AM > To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Scott C. LaBarre > Subject: RE: [blindlaw] West Law Next > > Hi all, > > Westlaw Next is somewhat usable, but it lacks accessibility on many features and is not as efficient to navigate as Classic. I've complained to West about the accessibility of its myaccount administrative website for those who pay bills and do other admin functions for a Westlaw account. Others should express concern to West about the accessibility of Next. It is not > 508 compliant and certain items should be mended now that we are being forced to migrate. > > Regards, > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:49 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindlaw] West Law Next > > Anyone using Westlaw next with jaws successfully? They are turning off Westlaw classic, and Westlaw next is driving me crazy. > > > [wg logo] > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindlaw mailing list > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindlaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjdavis9193%40gmail.com From kgilbride22 at hotmail.com Sat May 30 17:36:18 2015 From: kgilbride22 at hotmail.com (Karla Gilbride) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 13:36:18 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] highlighting in westlaw In-Reply-To: <91618AAA-3CD3-45B2-A9A6-EAB07872EC98@gmail.com> References: <8B055CBC-2D71-47CA-8C1F-700B6B6F4F71@aol.com> <91618AAA-3CD3-45B2-A9A6-EAB07872EC98@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, this is brilliant, Al, and not something I'd ever thought of doing. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Laura Wolk via blindlaw wrote: > > Thanks so much, Al! The goal is to be able to send highlighted cases to partners, so Tim's version, though useful, is not what I'm looking for. This sounds like it is a great alternative option. > > Laura Wolk > Notre Dame Law Review > J.D. Candidate, 2016, Notre Dame Law School > (484) 695-8234 > > Sent from a mobile device > >> On May 30, 2015, at 9:09 AM, ALBERT ELIA via blindlaw wrote: >> >> I know this is not what you're looking for, but use the download feature to download as docx, rtf, or whatever, then open it up and highlight in Word, then print/save to pdf. >> >> *Guaranteed* results :) >> >>> On May 29, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Laura Wolk via blindlaw wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Does anyone know how to, using jaws, highlight text from cases on >>> westlaw and print the pdf containing the highlight? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Laura >>>> On 5/28/15, Alosha Moore via blindlaw wrote: >>>> I use Westlaw next with jobs as well and I concur with Carla. it seems >>>> pretty well accessible although it could use to be made a little quicker to >>>> navigate with a screen reader. >>>> Best, Alosha Moore. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone. >>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Karla Gilbride via blindlaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What sorts of problems are you having? I love Westlaw Next and find it >>>>> much easier to use than Westlaw Classic. (I use JAWS 16.) >>>>> >>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >