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Name: ~WRD000.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: ~WRD000.jpg URL: From rene0373 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 16:58:47 2016 From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 09:58:47 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Valid driver's license anyone? When is an exclusionary employment qualification discriminatory? Message-ID: <8922869D-342B-444F-B4AE-F4A924872472@gmail.com> Hi all, Within the last week, I, an attorney, have encountered two job announcements listing the possession of a valid driver's license as a basic requirement. TeamChild's staff attorney must have one, along with access to a vehicle, "to meet client and agency needs throughout the county." The City of Seattle's Deputy Hearings Examiner must have one, along with proof of an exemplary driving history, to serve Seattle and smaller, contracting cities. No driver's license on your résumé? No second look. How many others have encountered this barrier posing as a BFOQ? One could argue that driving a car isn't an essential function of law practice, but the definition of law practice and the determination of how client needs must be met have fluid boundaries. Get two lawyers together to order cheese pizza and they'll argue over what makes the best crust - and they're friends! What if they don't want you at the table? Blind non-lawyers must run into this problem every day. Sad to say, some employment-lawyer colleague of mine has helped create it. Having a valid driver's license has got to be just one of many required job qualifications (seeming needful to someone at the workplace) that tell the cane-carrying job seeker, "Blind people need not apply." All of this more than 25 years post-ADA and more than 40 years after the passage of our own Law Against Discrimination. In this era of "No telephone calls please" and computer-based applicant screening, we need an effective way to expose and confront discriminatory minimum job qualifications, short of having a direct pipeline to the EEOC, that will actually result in paid employment. Suggestions anyone? Best regards, Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com From wickps at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 17:20:23 2016 From: wickps at gmail.com (Paul Wick) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 10:20:23 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Valid driver's license anyone? When is an exclusionary employment qualification discriminatory? In-Reply-To: <8922869D-342B-444F-B4AE-F4A924872472@gmail.com> References: <8922869D-342B-444F-B4AE-F4A924872472@gmail.com> Message-ID: <10536A39-FC5F-4DCD-AB75-5F2D87A7DE64@gmail.com> Elizabeth, Non-lawyers do run into this all the time. I've been looking for work outside of the law for a while now, and I've still received interviews for positions that listed valid drivers license as a requirement. All they really care about is if you have reliable transportation. The requirement for the job with King County actually makes some sense given how huge it is; it's not like there's a bus that goes to Black Diamond. Best, Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all, > Within the last week, I, an attorney, have encountered two job announcements listing the possession of a valid driver's license as a basic requirement. TeamChild's staff attorney must have one, along with access to a vehicle, "to meet client and agency needs throughout the county." The City of Seattle's Deputy Hearings Examiner must have one, along with proof of an exemplary driving history, to serve Seattle and smaller, contracting cities. > No driver's license on your résumé? No second look. > How many others have encountered this barrier posing as a BFOQ? > One could argue that driving a car isn't an essential function of law practice, but the definition of law practice and the determination of how client needs must be met have fluid boundaries. Get two lawyers together to order cheese pizza and they'll argue over what makes the best crust - and they're friends! What if they don't want you at the table? > Blind non-lawyers must run into this problem every day. Sad to say, some employment-lawyer colleague of mine has helped create it. > Having a valid driver's license has got to be just one of many required job qualifications (seeming needful to someone at the workplace) that tell the cane-carrying job seeker, "Blind people need not apply." > All of this more than 25 years post-ADA and more than 40 years after the passage of our own Law Against Discrimination. > In this era of "No telephone calls please" and computer-based applicant screening, we need an effective way to expose and confront discriminatory minimum job qualifications, short of having a direct pipeline to the EEOC, that will actually result in paid employment. > Suggestions anyone? > Best regards, > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com From jmccarthy at mdtap.org Tue Aug 2 17:37:51 2016 From: jmccarthy at mdtap.org (Jim McCarthy) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 13:37:51 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Valid driver's license anyone? When is an exclusionary employment qualification discriminatory? In-Reply-To: <10536A39-FC5F-4DCD-AB75-5F2D87A7DE64@gmail.com> References: <8922869D-342B-444F-B4AE-F4A924872472@gmail.com> <10536A39-FC5F-4DCD-AB75-5F2D87A7DE64@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0aba01d1ece4$97e486d0$c7ad9470$@mdtap.org> Paul, I agree with you and in fact, there are many jobs in social work, teaching of blind and visually impaired students and many others, that express this requirement. When I instruct people who are blind or non-drivers because of disability, regarding these provisions, I assert that unless driving is an essential function of the job, this requirement should not exist. I think that the essential function for the job that Elizabeth highlights here is, as you say, getting to appointments in a timely manner and in an area like metro Seattle, the distances can be significant . I think too though that Elizabeth is right far too often that people using a cane or dog get screened right out of those opportunities because of the lack of a valid driver's license. In my professional life, I have had many conversations with blind people brainstorming ways they can seek accommodations for the inability to drive. It seems to me though that there is a comfort in paying parking, paying mileage and so forth, pretty much regardless of the size of the entity. I think that many of those entities would be less comfortable with the person who states that she just needs her UBER trips while at work paid or wants to hire a driver for those times outside of work or pay cab receipts. Right here in my small state agency, most of my employees, all are sighted and drive, think nothing of driving down town for meetings, paying $15 or more for parking while there and billing for the entire amount. Uber to and from would cost the same amount but I think many would question that as a reasonable reimbursable expense. I have not looked at the case law, as I don't really need to do much of that in my daily life, but I am not aware of cases that sought to address this issue. If I am right about the lack of case law, several reasons come to mind over the 26 years of ADA and perhaps 504 of the rehab act before, but it does surprise me a bit. Jim McCarthy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wick via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:20 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Paul Wick Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Valid driver's license anyone? When is an exclusionary employment qualification discriminatory? Elizabeth, Non-lawyers do run into this all the time. I've been looking for work outside of the law for a while now, and I've still received interviews for positions that listed valid drivers license as a requirement. All they really care about is if you have reliable transportation. The requirement for the job with King County actually makes some sense given how huge it is; it's not like there's a bus that goes to Black Diamond. Best, Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all, > Within the last week, I, an attorney, have encountered two job announcements listing the possession of a valid driver's license as a basic requirement. TeamChild's staff attorney must have one, along with access to a vehicle, "to meet client and agency needs throughout the county." The City of Seattle's Deputy Hearings Examiner must have one, along with proof of an exemplary driving history, to serve Seattle and smaller, contracting cities. > No driver's license on your résumé? No second look. > How many others have encountered this barrier posing as a BFOQ? > One could argue that driving a car isn't an essential function of law practice, but the definition of law practice and the determination of how client needs must be met have fluid boundaries. Get two lawyers together to order cheese pizza and they'll argue over what makes the best crust - and they're friends! What if they don't want you at the table? > Blind non-lawyers must run into this problem every day. Sad to say, some employment-lawyer colleague of mine has helped create it. > Having a valid driver's license has got to be just one of many required job qualifications (seeming needful to someone at the workplace) that tell the cane-carrying job seeker, "Blind people need not apply." > All of this more than 25 years post-ADA and more than 40 years after the passage of our own Law Against Discrimination. > In this era of "No telephone calls please" and computer-based applicant screening, we need an effective way to expose and confront discriminatory minimum job qualifications, short of having a direct pipeline to the EEOC, that will actually result in paid employment. > Suggestions anyone? > Best regards, > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/wickps%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jmccarthy%40mdtap.org From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Aug 2 18:18:42 2016 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 18:18:42 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Valid driver's license anyone? When is an exclusionary employment qualification discriminatory? In-Reply-To: <8922869D-342B-444F-B4AE-F4A924872472@gmail.com> References: <8922869D-342B-444F-B4AE-F4A924872472@gmail.com> Message-ID: When I raised the issue of a federal attorney position announcement stating that a driver's license was required, I was told by a HR officer that I should read the phrase into any announcement even when it is not stated, "with or without reasonable accommodation." I think that is a good approach and what I do. By the way, I think that the driver's license issue is going to come up for the sighted millennial as many of them have chosen not to get a driver's license or own a car. Noel -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:59 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: [blindlaw] Valid driver's license anyone? When is an exclusionary employment qualification discriminatory? Hi all, Within the last week, I, an attorney, have encountered two job announcements listing the possession of a valid driver's license as a basic requirement. TeamChild's staff attorney must have one, along with access to a vehicle, "to meet client and agency needs throughout the county." The City of Seattle's Deputy Hearings Examiner must have one, along with proof of an exemplary driving history, to serve Seattle and smaller, contracting cities. No driver's license on your résumé? No second look. How many others have encountered this barrier posing as a BFOQ? One could argue that driving a car isn't an essential function of law practice, but the definition of law practice and the determination of how client needs must be met have fluid boundaries. Get two lawyers together to order cheese pizza and they'll argue over what makes the best crust - and they're friends! What if they don't want you at the table? Blind non-lawyers must run into this problem every day. Sad to say, some employment-lawyer colleague of mine has helped create it. Having a valid driver's license has got to be just one of many required job qualifications (seeming needful to someone at the workplace) that tell the cane-carrying job seeker, "Blind people need not apply." All of this more than 25 years post-ADA and more than 40 years after the passage of our own Law Against Discrimination. In this era of "No telephone calls please" and computer-based applicant screening, we need an effective way to expose and confront discriminatory minimum job qualifications, short of having a direct pipeline to the EEOC, that will actually result in paid employment. Suggestions anyone? Best regards, Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Aug 2 18:19:14 2016 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 18:19:14 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: DOJ Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <87EAD4112E1ABA49BCA9055BEA384CBF3A9B48DF@DPRC-EXCH-P05.JCONMAIL.doj.gov> Message-ID: From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia via Jobs Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 5:38 AM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Cc: Maurer, Patricia Subject: [Jobs] FW: DOJ Jobs From: Jobs, CRT (CRT) [mailto:CRT.Jobs at usdoj.gov] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 8:11 AM Subject: DOJ Jobs The Civil Rights Division (Division) would like to thank each of you for participating in our efforts to increase outreach to individuals interested in working for the Division. The Division hopes to attract a broad and diverse pool of qualified applicants, and, to that end, encourages you to forward this information to any qualified applicants, including qualified applicants with disabilities, who may be interested in working for the Division. For your convenience, all current Division job announcements that are open to the public are listed below. Please also remind members of your organization that all job announcements can always be found on the Division’s homepage, http://www.justice.gov/crt/employment. In addition, if you know of other organizations that might want to receive our job announcements, please let them know the process is very simple. They just need to send an email to CRT.Jobs at usdoj.gov. There are no elaborate forms to fill out – just an email indicating that the organization wishes to receive future job listings and the e-mail address for us to contact them. Please do not hesitate to let us know if you have suggestions on how we can improve our outreach efforts. The chart below includes the Civil Rights Division job opportunities currently available to the public. Remarks Position Salary Closing Date NEW Attorney Adviser Federal Coordination and Compliance Section GS-905-14/15 ($108,887 to $160,300 per year) 8/11/16 NEW E.O. Specialist (MPP) Housing & Civil Enforcement Section GS-360-12/13 ($77,490 to $119,794 per year) 8/5/16 Accessibility Specialist (MPP) Disability Rights Section GS-301-13 ($92,145 to $119,794 per year) 8/2/16 Accessibility Specialist (DEU) Disability Rights Section GS-301-13 ($92,145 to $119,794 per year) 8/2/16 Trial Attorney Disability Rights Section GS-905-13/15 ($92,145 to $160,300 per year) 8/2/16 Student Volunteers (Division-wide) N/A (Volunteer) See Description Individuals interested in applying for these positions should comply with the application procedures and closing dates in the vacancy announcement. The Division does not accept unsolicited resumes or applications (i.e., those not submitted in response to a particular vacancy announcement). If you need more information about a specific Civil Rights Division vacancy, please call the Human Resources Office, Team 1 on (202) 514-3934. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 03:20:37 2016 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sy Hoekstra) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 23:20:37 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Valid driver's license anyone? When is an exclusionary employment qualification discriminatory? In-Reply-To: References: <8922869D-342B-444F-B4AE-F4A924872472@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b001d1ed36$01c59d40$0550d7c0$@gmail.com> In NYC, I think it is just a cultural assumption that driver's license includes non-driver's license state-issued ID's because no one who lives here has a car anyway. I have honestly never even thought of it as a potential discrimination issue. Are there not non-driver's license IDs in your states that function the same as driver's licenses for ID purposes? -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 2:19 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Nightingale, Noel ; Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Valid driver's license anyone? When is an exclusionary employment qualification discriminatory? When I raised the issue of a federal attorney position announcement stating that a driver's license was required, I was told by a HR officer that I should read the phrase into any announcement even when it is not stated, "with or without reasonable accommodation." I think that is a good approach and what I do. By the way, I think that the driver's license issue is going to come up for the sighted millennial as many of them have chosen not to get a driver's license or own a car. Noel -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 9:59 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: [blindlaw] Valid driver's license anyone? When is an exclusionary employment qualification discriminatory? Hi all, Within the last week, I, an attorney, have encountered two job announcements listing the possession of a valid driver's license as a basic requirement. TeamChild's staff attorney must have one, along with access to a vehicle, "to meet client and agency needs throughout the county." The City of Seattle's Deputy Hearings Examiner must have one, along with proof of an exemplary driving history, to serve Seattle and smaller, contracting cities. No driver's license on your résumé? No second look. How many others have encountered this barrier posing as a BFOQ? One could argue that driving a car isn't an essential function of law practice, but the definition of law practice and the determination of how client needs must be met have fluid boundaries. Get two lawyers together to order cheese pizza and they'll argue over what makes the best crust - and they're friends! What if they don't want you at the table? Blind non-lawyers must run into this problem every day. Sad to say, some employment-lawyer colleague of mine has helped create it. Having a valid driver's license has got to be just one of many required job qualifications (seeming needful to someone at the workplace) that tell the cane-carrying job seeker, "Blind people need not apply." All of this more than 25 years post-ADA and more than 40 years after the passage of our own Law Against Discrimination. In this era of "No telephone calls please" and computer-based applicant screening, we need an effective way to expose and confront discriminatory minimum job qualifications, short of having a direct pipeline to the EEOC, that will actually result in paid employment. Suggestions anyone? Best regards, Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com From jtfetter at yahoo.com Wed Aug 3 18:41:50 2016 From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 14:41:50 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] OCI Advice Message-ID: Dear All, So, it's that time of year again, and my law school's OCI is just over the horizon. I would very much appreciate any advice, on or off list, about successfully interviewing for positions at top firms at OCI as a blind job candidate. Hypothetically speaking, assume that you are advising a candidate who is in the top 5% of the class, law review, etc--in other words, someone who would normally have no problem landing a position with a big firm at OCI. However, I have heard from several equally qualified people, who happen to be blind, that these qualifications are either ignored or at least called into question, when blindness and presumably other obvious disabilities are part of the equation. It would be very helpful to hear from someone who has figured out how best to assuage the fears of interviewers on this score and has received one or more offers from elite firms. I genuinely appreciate any help with this, and if you would prefer to communicate privately, my direct email is jtfetter at yahoo.com. Thank you. From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 18:35:08 2016 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 11:35:08 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions for Judge Tatel Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I hope this message finds you well. As some of you might recall, I shared the details of an interview series that we've recently launched through which we hope to start a larger public conversation about how the legal ecosystem can be restructured in ways that would make it more accessible and inclusive. Our first interview in this series featured Justice Yacoob who served on the South African Constitutional Court for 15 years and is blind: http://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-i-with-justice-zak-mohammed-yacoob/ Judge David S. Tatel, who has served as a judge on the Federal Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit since 1994 and is blind, has very kindly agreed to give us an interview. We'll be interviewing him next week. Are there any particular questions that you think we should ask him? Questions that would help us learn more about the coping strategies and technological solutions that he has adopted to excel in his career. Judge Tatel, as some of you might know, filled the vacancy left by Justice Ruth Ginsburg's appointment to the Supreme Court and has delivered some very significant verdicts in recent years, most notably on issues connected with net neutrality. So one can acquire a lot of actionable insights from him. Please feel free to get in touch with me off-list if you'd like to discuss this further or suggest any other potential interviewees. Best, Rahul From dandrews at visi.com Thu Aug 4 20:17:20 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 15:17:20 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see, then you are a bad listener In-Reply-To: <16165C9D-8EBF-42EA-ABD0-F5A08C080D20@gmail.com> References: <5798a2b531570_11ef081eda41540187@a2plmmsworker07.prod.iad2.gdg.mail> <0882EB0D408F49419BA56221F82BA283@Spike> <16165C9D-8EBF-42EA-ABD0-F5A08C080D20@gmail.com> Message-ID: He unsubscribed from this list, so it is no longer an issue. Dave At 11:08 AM 7/27/2016, you wrote: >The first blondfold games email seemed like an >interesting thing someone would forward out of >want to share with a group of those likely to >also be interested. I was not bothered by the >first email, and I was glad it was sent as the >concept is interesting. However, these emails >are beginning to sound like advertisements. >Which is quite annoying. I typically try to read >all blind law threads as the are typically >filled with useful information. These spam >emails are tainting the utility of the mailing >list. Is there any moderator who can ask the >sender to stop or remove them from the list? >Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:14 >AM, Charles Krugman via BlindLaw > wrote: > > I totally >agree. Where is our moderator when we need >him? > Chuck > > -----Original Message----- >From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw > Sent: >Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:12 AM > To: Blind Law >Mailing List > Cc: Gerard Sadlier ; Blindfold >Games > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} >{Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see, then >you are a bad listener > > Hi All, > > I think >these blindfold games emails are spam and would >prefer not to > receive them on this list. >Perhaps those of you (if any) who are > >interested could join a dedicated list? > > Many >thanks. > > Kind regards > > Ger > >> On >7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw > wrote: >> If you can see, >then you are a bad listener >> ========== >> >> >When I created the tutorial for Blindfold Racer, >I was really confused why >> blind teens had no >problem understanding the tutorial, and sighted >adults >> would get confused. >> >> I added more >pauses ("tap the screen to continue") between >each tutorial >> instruction, or more tried >rephrasing the sentence, but they just didn't >> >understand. Then an auditory therapist mentioned >that sighted adults lose >> their ability to >listen and comprehend without seeing something >to reinforce >> what they are learning. Blind >people can't rely on their sight, so their >> >auditory attention skills are far >superior. >> >> The therapist continued to >explain to me that visually impaired people >> >develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using >their visual cortex. >> >> I learned the true >extent of this when I collaborated with Judy >Dixon (who >> runs the Talking Book program at >the Library of Congress) to build a >> Blindfold >Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, >the basic idea is >> that you must fill a 9×9 >grid with digits so that each column and each >row >> contains all of the digits from 1 to 9 >with no duplicates. >> >> When I play Sudoku, I >need to see the entire puzzle to solve it. >Blindfold >> Sudoku tells you what number is in >each cell, or row, or column and from >> that, >you must create the image in your head. Blind >Sudoku players are able >> to do this; very few >sighted people can. >> >> My blog follows the >development of audio games and other >technologies that >> we’re building that >don’t require using your eyes. It’s a >different way of >> perceiving the world, and >it’s amazing what you can learn. >> >> Check >out our blog, where you can download any of the >games for free: >> BlindfoldGames.org ( >> >http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63 > >> ) >> >> Web Version >> >http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-18.1.bbdb2af6d3815fa93b4970ad12eafdbe&p=eyIlN0IlN0JtaW1pLXNpZ25hdHVyZSU3RCU3RCI6IjEyOTM0NjA2Ni05MTcyOTA4MDE5LTdlOWViNGU3ZmQxMDAwNzU3MjhlNjQ3ZWVkZDNiYTNhOWU1OWUwM2IiLCIlN0IlN0JlbWFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0= > >> >> Unsubscribe >> >https://go.madmimi.com/opt_out?fe=1&pact=332650-129346066-9172908019-7e9eb4e7fd100075728e647eedd3ba3a9e59e03b&amx=9172908019 > >> >> From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Fri Aug 5 04:09:02 2016 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 23:09:02 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] OCI Advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0OBF00H6B4ZAIK10@st11p00im-asmtp002.me.com> Hi James, You need to highlight that you have not allowed your blindness to hold you back. To accomplish this, you must present it in the most positive light possible. For example, you may wish to mention that you have developed strong problem-solving skills as a result of your blindness because you constantly have to adapt to living in a sighted world. This may resonate with your interviewer, as law firms want people who are easily adaptable. Also, if you have the opportunity, briefly discuss some of the adaptive techniques you use, focusing, of course, on the ones most relevant to the position for which you are interviewing. A good time to talk about this may be if the employer asks you to tell them about something that is not on your resume, or if you are asked to describe your ideal work environment. If the interviewer knows how you handle your blindness, he or she will be more likely to give you a chance to prove yourself. I hope you find these tips helpful. If you have additional questions, please don’t hesitate to follow up with me on or off-list. Good luck with OCI! Best, Michal Nowicki Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: James Fetter via BlindLaw From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 08:13:28 2016 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 04:13:28 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions for Judge Tatel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010801d1eef1$3f63f720$be2be560$@gmail.com> Rahul, This is a great idea. Please do post the interview on here after it's complete! Deepa Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 2:35 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Rahul Bajaj Subject: [blindlaw] Questions for Judge Tatel Hi Everyone, I hope this message finds you well. As some of you might recall, I shared the details of an interview series that we've recently launched through which we hope to start a larger public conversation about how the legal ecosystem can be restructured in ways that would make it more accessible and inclusive. Our first interview in this series featured Justice Yacoob who served on the South African Constitutional Court for 15 years and is blind: http://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-i-with-justice-zak-m ohammed-yacoob/ Judge David S. Tatel, who has served as a judge on the Federal Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit since 1994 and is blind, has very kindly agreed to give us an interview. We'll be interviewing him next week. Are there any particular questions that you think we should ask him? Questions that would help us learn more about the coping strategies and technological solutions that he has adopted to excel in his career. Judge Tatel, as some of you might know, filled the vacancy left by Justice Ruth Ginsburg's appointment to the Supreme Court and has delivered some very significant verdicts in recent years, most notably on issues connected with net neutrality. So one can acquire a lot of actionable insights from him. Please feel free to get in touch with me off-list if you'd like to discuss this further or suggest any other potential interviewees. Best, Rahul _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/deepa.goraya%40gmail.c om From jtfetter at yahoo.com Fri Aug 5 12:20:53 2016 From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 08:20:53 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions for Judge Tatel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think that any questions revolving around advice for junior blind attorneys, law students, etc. who aspire to be in the position that Judge Tatel is now would be very helpful. How did, or does, he manage the misperceptions of his abilities that inevitably arise in professional contexts, no matter how well-meaning everyone is? Has he ever run across someone who, for whatever reason, refuses to acknowledge his competence, no matter how often he has demonstrated it? As a judge, I would assume that he would have assistance dealing with logistical issues, but the bigger issue, in my view anyway, is educating people who have not interacted with a blind person before that, with reasonable accommodations, we are able to compete for the most prestigious jobs and in the highest pressure environments in the legal profession. How does he think we could go about doing this in a more effective manner? On 8/4/2016 2:35 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. > As some of you might recall, I shared the details of an interview > series that we've recently launched through which we hope to start a > larger public conversation about how the legal ecosystem can be > restructured in ways that would make it more accessible and inclusive. > Our first interview in this series featured Justice Yacoob who served > on the South African Constitutional Court for 15 years and is blind: > http://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-i-with-justice-zak-mohammed-yacoob/ > > Judge David S. Tatel, who has served as a judge on the Federal Court > of Appeals for the DC Circuit since 1994 and is blind, has very kindly > agreed to give us an interview. We'll be interviewing him next week. > Are there any particular questions that you think we should ask him? > Questions that would help us learn more about the coping strategies > and technological solutions that he has adopted to excel in his > career. > Judge Tatel, as some of you might know, filled the vacancy left by > Justice Ruth Ginsburg's appointment to the Supreme Court and has > delivered some very significant verdicts in recent years, most notably > on issues connected with net neutrality. So one can acquire a lot of > actionable insights from him. > Please feel free to get in touch with me off-list if you'd like to > discuss this further or suggest any other potential interviewees. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Aug 5 17:13:00 2016 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:13:00 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: U.S. Department of Labor, Seattle Office--hiring a paralegal! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: fangseattle at googlegroups.com [mailto:fangseattle at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daquiz, Abigail - SOL Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:30 AM To: fangseattle at googlegroups.com Subject: [fangs] U.S. Department of Labor, Seattle Office--hiring a paralegal! Our office is hiring a paralegal! This position has been filled with J.D.s in the past and would be a good fit for someone who wants to shift gears, not practice law and continue to serve an important mission. Please feel free to let me know if you have any questions and forward on to great candidates! Thanks, Abby Note that there are separate links for current feds and the genpop: MS-16-SF-SOL-104: https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/446381500 DE-16-SF-SOL-086: https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/446381000 DOL seeks to attract and retain a high performing and diverse workforce in which employees' differences are respected and valued to better meet the varying needs of the diverse customers we serve. DOL fosters a diverse and inclusive work environment that promotes collaboration, flexibility and fairness so that all individuals are able to participate and contribute to their full potential. This position is located in the Department of Labor, Office of the Solicitor (SOL), in Seattle, WA. The mission of SOL is to render litigation and legal advisory services to DOL agencies in Region IX, which covers the states of Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Nevada, Oregon and Washington and the Trust Territories of the Pacific Islands. Also advertised as job announcement #DE-16-SF-SOL-086 for non-status applicants; to be considered for each, applicants must apply for BOTH jobs. Duties The incumbent receives client agency litigation case files from the assigned attorneys for the purpose of analysis and evaluation of the evidence contained in the files and the litigation worthiness of the case. Prepares legal analyses, legal briefs, administrative and federal court complaints, discovery, litigation pleadings and legal research. Conducts legal research, reviewing and briefing appropriate to locate legal precedent relative to the cases referred by the various client agencies. Prepares memoranda based on the federal and state laws and regulations, and other legal opinions to assist in the development of cases, including interpretation and evaluation of additional information collected from various sources. Assists attorneys in responding to discovery in pending cases by reviewing documents, depositions, files and other materials to locate or documents information which is responsive to requests for production, interrogatories, requests for admissions and other discovery requests. Performs legal assistant duties that provide supporting assistance such as the copying and preparation of legal documents; completing logs, charts and other legal documents. Handles matters before Department of Labor's (DOL) Office of Administrative Law Judges (OALJ) with regard to the defense of DOL's Special Fund set up by the Longshore and Harbor Workers Compensation Act (LHWCA) to afford monetary relief to employers for a second, on-the-job injury. This includes analyzing administrative files which involve complex legal and medical issues. Responds to Pre-Trial Orders and Orders to Show Cause and preparing briefs, presenting/arguing the position of the DOL. Assist in the collection of debts owed to DOL client agencies. Prepares legal opinions in all program areas, which includes handling claims under the Federal Torts Claim Act (FTCA) and Federal Military Personnel and Civilian Employees Claims Acts (FMPCECA). Reviewing information in the file and conducting analyses and developing claim adjudication recommendations. Responds to all request for documents and/or records under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and the Privacy Act. Reviews and responds to third-party subpoenas received by client agencies requesting documents and/or requesting the appearance of DOL employees to provide testimony and responds to such third-party subpoenas in accordance with appropriate regulations and SOL procedures. Travel Required * Occasional Travel * Up to a few times per year. Abigail G. Daquiz Attorney U.S. Department of Labor Office of the Solicitor 300 Fifth Avenue, Suite 1120 Seattle, WA 98104 d 206-757-6753 t 206-757-6762 f 206-757-6761 daquiz.abigail at dol.gov This message may contain information that is privileged or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you think you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately. -- -- You received this message because you are a federal agency attorney and subscribed to the FANGS group. To SEND A MESSAGE to this group, email to fangseattle at googlegroups.com. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, email fangseattle+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fangseattle?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Federal Attorneys Networking Group of Seattle" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to fangseattle+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Aug 5 17:16:00 2016 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:16:00 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: NWIRP is hiring - Tacoma attorney position In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: fangseattle at googlegroups.com [mailto:fangseattle at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daquiz, Abigail - SOL Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 8:10 AM To: fangseattle at googlegroups.com Subject: [fangs] NWIRP is hiring - Tacoma attorney position The Northwest Immigrant Rights Project is an amazing organization. NWIRP is hiring for an attorney position in our Tacoma office. This position will provide direct legal assistance and services under our Legal Orientation Program (LOP) to individuals detained at the Northwest Detention Center. The job announcement is here: https://www.nwirp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Detention-Staff-Attorney-Tacoma-August-2016.pdf -- -- You received this message because you are a federal agency attorney and subscribed to the FANGS group. To SEND A MESSAGE to this group, email to fangseattle at googlegroups.com. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, email fangseattle+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fangseattle?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Federal Attorneys Networking Group of Seattle" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to fangseattle+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. From jpi4a11y at novaelis.com Fri Aug 5 18:38:00 2016 From: jpi4a11y at novaelis.com (J. Isaac) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 11:38:00 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations Message-ID: Hi all, I'm slated to take the LSAT shortly. I've been reading through their accomodations page to formulate my request. I'm interested in using a computer during the exam with a screen reader and braille display for writing sample and question diagramming. Has anyone had experience with this accommodation or alternatives? I would really appreciate hearing of your experiences on this exam. Thanks, == Joel Isaac --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ttomasi at driowa.org Fri Aug 5 18:57:12 2016 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:57:12 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joel: I requested use of a computer with JAWS for Windows for the logic games and essay sections. This was initially denied, but then approved once I sent a letter explaining the necessity of a computer. I also requested Braille test materials. I was allowed to use Excel to diagram out my logic games. This worked well for me, though I didn't ask for a Braille display. I am not sure they will grant that request, given that many Braille displays can store files and information and LSAC would have no way to confirm that the device didn't contain any data. However, perhaps you could get them to provide you with a display that has no storage capacity. My experience with the LSAC predates the most recent settlement requiring LSAC to better accommodate blind applicants, so I am hopefull that things have changed for the better. Feel free to contact me off list if you have additional questions. I strongly encourage you to get your accommodation request in as soon as possible. Tai Tomasi, J.D. 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If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of J. Isaac via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:38 PM To: 'NABL List' Cc: J. Isaac Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations Hi all, I'm slated to take the LSAT shortly. I've been reading through their accomodations page to formulate my request. I'm interested in using a computer during the exam with a screen reader and braille display for writing sample and question diagramming. Has anyone had experience with this accommodation or alternatives? I would really appreciate hearing of your experiences on this exam. Thanks, == Joel Isaac --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From jpi4a11y at novaelis.com Mon Aug 8 09:54:20 2016 From: jpi4a11y at novaelis.com (J. Isaac) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 02:54:20 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations Message-ID: Hi all, I'm slated to take the LSAT shortly. I've been reading through their accomodations page to formulate my request. I'm interested in using a computer during the exam with a screen reader and braille display for writing sample and question diagramming. Has anyone had experience with this accommodation or alternatives? I would really appreciate hearing of your experiences on this exam. Thanks, == J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jpi4a11y at novaelis.com Mon Aug 8 10:10:24 2016 From: jpi4a11y at novaelis.com (J. Isaac) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 03:10:24 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Recall: LSAT accomodations Message-ID: J. Isaac would like to recall the message, "LSAT accomodations". --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Isaac via BlindLaw" wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I'm slated to take the LSAT shortly. > > > > I've been reading through their accomodations page to formulate my request. > > > > I'm interested in using a computer during the exam with a screen reader and > braille display for writing sample and question diagramming. > > > > Has anyone had experience with this accommodation or alternatives? > > > > I would really appreciate hearing of your experiences on this exam. > > > > Thanks, > > > > == J > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail.com > From njaskins at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 11:55:40 2016 From: njaskins at gmail.com (Nicole Askins) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 07:55:40 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] The LSAT logic games In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings to all. Hope everyone is doing well this morning. I have a question for those of you who have already taking the LSAT. How would you recommend approaching the logic games section? I read somewhere that individuals who are blind use Excel spreadsheets is that true? I am a person who has low vision and did not use any thing other than my computer for the logic games along with my CCTV and unfortunately, I did not do well on this section. Please help From jmccarthy at mdtap.org Mon Aug 8 13:46:03 2016 From: jmccarthy at mdtap.org (Jim McCarthy) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 09:46:03 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003801d1f17b$34c6a4c0$9e53ee40$@mdtap.org> Nicole, I took the LSAT many years ago and did not do well on some of the logic games sets. I am totally blind and used a braille writer. The problem for me with this was that I could not move the items around quickly enough in the manner the question might direct. I do think this could be achieved with excel or a spread sheet program so at least one could put all in order as the question requires. From that point, it is at least some bit closer to equal in analyzing the layout of the characters and applying the conditions. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Askins via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 7:50 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Nicole Askins Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations Just to expound on this commentary, how should a person with low vision best approach the logic games? I have taken this test before and was unable to fully demonstrate and complete this portion of the exam period should I use an Excel spreadsheet? If so why and how? On Aug 8, 2016 5:55 AM, "J. Isaac via BlindLaw" wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I'm slated to take the LSAT shortly. > > > > I've been reading through their accomodations page to formulate my request. > > > > I'm interested in using a computer during the exam with a screen > reader and braille display for writing sample and question diagramming. > > > > Has anyone had experience with this accommodation or alternatives? > > > > I would really appreciate hearing of your experiences on this exam. > > > > Thanks, > > > > == J > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail > .com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jmccarthy%40mdtap.org From jameyanne at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 17:13:11 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:13:11 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations In-Reply-To: <003801d1f17b$34c6a4c0$9e53ee40$@mdtap.org> References: <003801d1f17b$34c6a4c0$9e53ee40$@mdtap.org> Message-ID: <007501d1f198$24d13b30$6e73b190$@gmail.com> Hello, I realize I haven't introduced myself on this list yet. I'm Jameyanne. I'm from NH. I'll be a 1L at Harvard Law School this year. I was a national scholarship winner this year, and this convention was my first experience with the NFB, which I found I love and am so excited to be a part of. I've already learned a lot just by lurking on this thread, and I can't wait to learn more and contribute once I actually know law related things. Anyway, I took the LSAT last October. They would only let me use a computer for the writing sample portion of the exam. Using a Braille notetaker was not an option, and I didn't ask about using a Braille display with my computer because at the time I was still just learning how to use that with my computer (so I'm not sure about that). Otherwise I had a Braille exam, a scribe to bubble in my answers, use of a Perkins Brailler and scrap paper for all the sections, and 100% extended time. I had no problems applying for these accommodations because they accepted accommodations I used on the SAT and GRE. I did well on the test, and I would say the key to success for me was practice, practice, practice. I requested 6 Braille practice tests from LSAC (they're free as long as you return them on test day). I also did all the practice tests in the back of the Princeton Review book I got on Bookshare. And I did some more practice tests that I'd ordered in print from LSAC orally with my mom or my dad scanned them in and proofread them so I could read the test on my BrailleNote. I was studying for a good four months before I actually took the test. In terms of the logic games, I came up with my own system of efficiently diagriming them on the Perkins Brailler. I used first letter abreviations for the elements, and on one page I wrote out the clues using the first letter abreviations, and then my deductions based on those clues so I could easily reference all that information. Then on a separate page I started working on the questions. I usually diagramed either across or in columns, depending on the type of the game. I plugged in the information from the clues and my deductions, then any additional information given in the question, and solved the puzzle. I did not do the questions in order. I started with questions that asked which arrangement of elements works. You start by applying your deductions, one at a time, to each answer and eliminate the choices that don't work, then you do the same thing with the clues, one at a time. Then I went to questions that gave you an additional piece of information to plug in and then solved the puzzle. Finally, I tackled the complex questions, the ones that change a rule or ask for the number of variations or something like that. Also, I learned to spot games that were easier than others and to prioritize, so I did the easier games first so I could spend more time stress-free on the harder games. Again, the key to all this for me was practice, practice, practice. I reached the point that before I took the exam, I was consistently getting 100% on every logic games section, and even having fun with it. I highly recommend the chapter on logic games in the Princeton Review's Cracking the LSAT (it's on bookshare). Come up with your own system for diagramming, but the steps they outline to solving a logic game work really well. Hope this is helpful. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:46 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Jim McCarthy Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations Nicole, I took the LSAT many years ago and did not do well on some of the logic games sets. I am totally blind and used a braille writer. The problem for me with this was that I could not move the items around quickly enough in the manner the question might direct. I do think this could be achieved with excel or a spread sheet program so at least one could put all in order as the question requires. From that point, it is at least some bit closer to equal in analyzing the layout of the characters and applying the conditions. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Askins via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 7:50 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Nicole Askins Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations Just to expound on this commentary, how should a person with low vision best approach the logic games? I have taken this test before and was unable to fully demonstrate and complete this portion of the exam period should I use an Excel spreadsheet? If so why and how? On Aug 8, 2016 5:55 AM, "J. Isaac via BlindLaw" wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I'm slated to take the LSAT shortly. > > > > I've been reading through their accomodations page to formulate my request. > > > > I'm interested in using a computer during the exam with a screen > reader and braille display for writing sample and question diagramming. > > > > Has anyone had experience with this accommodation or alternatives? > > > > I would really appreciate hearing of your experiences on this exam. > > > > Thanks, > > > > == J > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail > .com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jmccarthy%40mdtap.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From njaskins at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 20:23:23 2016 From: njaskins at gmail.com (Nicole Askins) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 16:23:23 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations In-Reply-To: <007501d1f198$24d13b30$6e73b190$@gmail.com> References: <003801d1f17b$34c6a4c0$9e53ee40$@mdtap.org> <007501d1f198$24d13b30$6e73b190$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow this is fantastic feedback. Although I am not a braille user I can certainly use this advice. Thank you On Aug 8, 2016 1:14 PM, "Jameyanne Fuller via BlindLaw" wrote: > Hello, > I realize I haven't introduced myself on this list yet. I'm Jameyanne. I'm > from NH. I'll be a 1L at Harvard Law School this year. I was a national > scholarship winner this year, and this convention was my first experience > with the NFB, which I found I love and am so excited to be a part of. I've > already learned a lot just by lurking on this thread, and I can't wait to > learn more and contribute once I actually know law related things. > Anyway, I took the LSAT last October. They would only let me use a computer > for the writing sample portion of the exam. Using a Braille notetaker was > not an option, and I didn't ask about using a Braille display with my > computer because at the time I was still just learning how to use that with > my computer (so I'm not sure about that). Otherwise I had a Braille exam, a > scribe to bubble in my answers, use of a Perkins Brailler and scrap paper > for all the sections, and 100% extended time. I had no problems applying > for > these accommodations because they accepted accommodations I used on the SAT > and GRE. I did well on the test, and I would say the key to success for me > was practice, practice, practice. I requested 6 Braille practice tests from > LSAC (they're free as long as you return them on test day). I also did all > the practice tests in the back of the Princeton Review book I got on > Bookshare. And I did some more practice tests that I'd ordered in print > from > LSAC orally with my mom or my dad scanned them in and proofread them so I > could read the test on my BrailleNote. I was studying for a good four > months > before I actually took the test. > In terms of the logic games, I came up with my own system of efficiently > diagriming them on the Perkins Brailler. I used first letter abreviations > for the elements, and on one page I wrote out the clues using the first > letter abreviations, and then my deductions based on those clues so I could > easily reference all that information. Then on a separate page I started > working on the questions. I usually diagramed either across or in columns, > depending on the type of the game. I plugged in the information from the > clues and my deductions, then any additional information given in the > question, and solved the puzzle. I did not do the questions in order. I > started with questions that asked which arrangement of elements works. You > start by applying your deductions, one at a time, to each answer and > eliminate the choices that don't work, then you do the same thing with the > clues, one at a time. Then I went to questions that gave you an additional > piece of information to plug in and then solved the puzzle. Finally, I > tackled the complex questions, the ones that change a rule or ask for the > number of variations or something like that. Also, I learned to spot games > that were easier than others and to prioritize, so I did the easier games > first so I could spend more time stress-free on the harder games. Again, > the > key to all this for me was practice, practice, practice. I reached the > point > that before I took the exam, I was consistently getting 100% on every logic > games section, and even having fun with it. I highly recommend the chapter > on logic games in the Princeton Review's Cracking the LSAT (it's on > bookshare). Come up with your own system for diagramming, but the steps > they > outline to solving a logic game work really well. > Hope this is helpful. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim > McCarthy via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:46 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Jim McCarthy > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations > > Nicole, > I took the LSAT many years ago and did not do well on some of the logic > games sets. I am totally blind and used a braille writer. The problem for > me > with this was that I could not move the items around quickly enough in the > manner the question might direct. I do think this could be achieved with > excel or a spread sheet program so at least one could put all in order as > the question requires. From that point, it is at least some bit closer to > equal in analyzing the layout of the characters and applying the > conditions. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole > Askins via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 7:50 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Nicole Askins > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations > > Just to expound on this commentary, how should a person with low vision > best > approach the logic games? I have taken this test before and was unable to > fully demonstrate and complete this portion of the exam period should I use > an Excel spreadsheet? If so why and how? > > On Aug 8, 2016 5:55 AM, "J. Isaac via BlindLaw" > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I'm slated to take the LSAT shortly. > > > > > > > > I've been reading through their accomodations page to formulate my > request. > > > > > > > > I'm interested in using a computer during the exam with a screen > > reader and braille display for writing sample and question diagramming. > > > > > > > > Has anyone had experience with this accommodation or alternatives? > > > > > > > > I would really appreciate hearing of your experiences on this exam. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > == J > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail > > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ > jmccarthy%40mdtap.org > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ > jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail.com > From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 02:06:01 2016 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sy Hoekstra) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 22:06:01 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations In-Reply-To: References: <003801d1f17b$34c6a4c0$9e53ee40$@mdtap.org> <007501d1f198$24d13b30$6e73b190$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005501d1f1e2$947a7010$bd6f5030$@gmail.com> I got the LSAC to allow me to use a stack of white scrap paper and a sharpie so I could essentially do the logic games visually, just in very large, black writing. And I agree that practice is crucial. It is an inherently visual, discriminatory exam. It's certainly possible to do well, but only with lots of training. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Askins via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 4:23 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Nicole Askins Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations Wow this is fantastic feedback. Although I am not a braille user I can certainly use this advice. Thank you On Aug 8, 2016 1:14 PM, "Jameyanne Fuller via BlindLaw" wrote: > Hello, > I realize I haven't introduced myself on this list yet. I'm Jameyanne. I'm > from NH. I'll be a 1L at Harvard Law School this year. I was a national > scholarship winner this year, and this convention was my first experience > with the NFB, which I found I love and am so excited to be a part of. I've > already learned a lot just by lurking on this thread, and I can't wait to > learn more and contribute once I actually know law related things. > Anyway, I took the LSAT last October. They would only let me use a computer > for the writing sample portion of the exam. Using a Braille notetaker was > not an option, and I didn't ask about using a Braille display with my > computer because at the time I was still just learning how to use that with > my computer (so I'm not sure about that). Otherwise I had a Braille exam, a > scribe to bubble in my answers, use of a Perkins Brailler and scrap paper > for all the sections, and 100% extended time. I had no problems applying > for > these accommodations because they accepted accommodations I used on the SAT > and GRE. I did well on the test, and I would say the key to success for me > was practice, practice, practice. I requested 6 Braille practice tests from > LSAC (they're free as long as you return them on test day). I also did all > the practice tests in the back of the Princeton Review book I got on > Bookshare. And I did some more practice tests that I'd ordered in print > from > LSAC orally with my mom or my dad scanned them in and proofread them so I > could read the test on my BrailleNote. I was studying for a good four > months > before I actually took the test. > In terms of the logic games, I came up with my own system of efficiently > diagriming them on the Perkins Brailler. I used first letter abreviations > for the elements, and on one page I wrote out the clues using the first > letter abreviations, and then my deductions based on those clues so I could > easily reference all that information. Then on a separate page I started > working on the questions. I usually diagramed either across or in columns, > depending on the type of the game. I plugged in the information from the > clues and my deductions, then any additional information given in the > question, and solved the puzzle. I did not do the questions in order. I > started with questions that asked which arrangement of elements works. You > start by applying your deductions, one at a time, to each answer and > eliminate the choices that don't work, then you do the same thing with the > clues, one at a time. Then I went to questions that gave you an additional > piece of information to plug in and then solved the puzzle. Finally, I > tackled the complex questions, the ones that change a rule or ask for the > number of variations or something like that. Also, I learned to spot games > that were easier than others and to prioritize, so I did the easier games > first so I could spend more time stress-free on the harder games. Again, > the > key to all this for me was practice, practice, practice. I reached the > point > that before I took the exam, I was consistently getting 100% on every logic > games section, and even having fun with it. I highly recommend the chapter > on logic games in the Princeton Review's Cracking the LSAT (it's on > bookshare). Come up with your own system for diagramming, but the steps > they > outline to solving a logic game work really well. > Hope this is helpful. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim > McCarthy via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 9:46 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Jim McCarthy > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations > > Nicole, > I took the LSAT many years ago and did not do well on some of the logic > games sets. I am totally blind and used a braille writer. The problem for > me > with this was that I could not move the items around quickly enough in the > manner the question might direct. I do think this could be achieved with > excel or a spread sheet program so at least one could put all in order as > the question requires. From that point, it is at least some bit closer to > equal in analyzing the layout of the characters and applying the > conditions. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole > Askins via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 7:50 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Nicole Askins > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations > > Just to expound on this commentary, how should a person with low vision > best > approach the logic games? I have taken this test before and was unable to > fully demonstrate and complete this portion of the exam period should I use > an Excel spreadsheet? If so why and how? > > On Aug 8, 2016 5:55 AM, "J. Isaac via BlindLaw" > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I'm slated to take the LSAT shortly. > > > > > > > > I've been reading through their accomodations page to formulate my > request. > > > > > > > > I'm interested in using a computer during the exam with a screen > > reader and braille display for writing sample and question diagramming. > > > > > > > > Has anyone had experience with this accommodation or alternatives? > > > > > > > > I would really appreciate hearing of your experiences on this exam. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > == J > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail > > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ > jmccarthy%40mdtap.org > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ > jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/njaskins%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.co m From Yasmin.Reyazuddin at montgomerycountymd.gov Tue Aug 9 15:42:27 2016 From: Yasmin.Reyazuddin at montgomerycountymd.gov (Reyazuddin, Yasmin) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 15:42:27 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Section 508 Best Practices Webinar: Introduction to Policy-Driven Adoption for Accessibility (August 23) Message-ID: This will be an interesting discussion. 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Thanks, Josh [cid:image0c026e.GIF at 6add407d.4196e5f2] Joshua Loevy Associate Pierre Laclede Center, 7701 Forsyth Boulevard, Suite 500 | Clayton, MO 63105 P: 314.613.2518 | F: 314.613.2801 | JLoevy at LATHROPGAGE.COM www.lathropgage.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. ________________________________ This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain material that (1) is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient, and (2) may be protected by the attorney-client privilege, attorney work product doctrine or other legal rules. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0c026e.GIF Type: image/gif Size: 2531 bytes Desc: image0c026e.GIF URL: From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 16:39:41 2016 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 09:39:41 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions for Judge Tatel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks very much for the suggestions, everyone. They are very helpful. I will definitely keep them in mind while crafting the questionnaire. Best, Rahul On 05/08/2016, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: > I think that any questions revolving around advice for junior blind > attorneys, law students, etc. who aspire to be in the position that > Judge Tatel is now would be very helpful. How did, or does, he manage > the misperceptions of his abilities that inevitably arise in > professional contexts, no matter how well-meaning everyone is? Has he > ever run across someone who, for whatever reason, refuses to acknowledge > his competence, no matter how often he has demonstrated it? As a judge, > I would assume that he would have assistance dealing with logistical > issues, but the bigger issue, in my view anyway, is educating people who > have not interacted with a blind person before that, with reasonable > accommodations, we are able to compete for the most prestigious jobs and > in the highest pressure environments in the legal profession. How does > he think we could go about doing this in a more effective manner? > > On 8/4/2016 2:35 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I hope this message finds you well. >> As some of you might recall, I shared the details of an interview >> series that we've recently launched through which we hope to start a >> larger public conversation about how the legal ecosystem can be >> restructured in ways that would make it more accessible and inclusive. >> Our first interview in this series featured Justice Yacoob who served >> on the South African Constitutional Court for 15 years and is blind: >> http://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-i-with-justice-zak-mohammed-yacoob/ >> >> Judge David S. Tatel, who has served as a judge on the Federal Court >> of Appeals for the DC Circuit since 1994 and is blind, has very kindly >> agreed to give us an interview. We'll be interviewing him next week. >> Are there any particular questions that you think we should ask him? >> Questions that would help us learn more about the coping strategies >> and technological solutions that he has adopted to excel in his >> career. >> Judge Tatel, as some of you might know, filled the vacancy left by >> Justice Ruth Ginsburg's appointment to the Supreme Court and has >> delivered some very significant verdicts in recent years, most notably >> on issues connected with net neutrality. So one can acquire a lot of >> actionable insights from him. >> Please feel free to get in touch with me off-list if you'd like to >> discuss this further or suggest any other potential interviewees. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com > From rfarber at jw.com Tue Aug 9 16:43:37 2016 From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:43:37 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] File cite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13A752DACA@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> Josh - My firm uses File Site. I assume that it is similar to your File Cite. Are you available to talk this afternoon? If so, I'll give you a call. Randy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Loevy, Joshua L. (LG) via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:18 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) Cc: Loevy, Joshua L. (LG) Subject: [blindlaw] File cite Morning everyone,] I know the myriad issues with file management software are well tread on this list. I am curious if anyone has worked with file cite specifically. My firm uses it, and it is the bane of my existence. If anyone has used it in the past, and knows of any work arounds or tips I would appreciate it. Thanks, Josh [cid:image0c026e.GIF at 6add407d.4196e5f2] Joshua Loevy Associate Pierre Laclede Center, 7701 Forsyth Boulevard, Suite 500 | Clayton, MO 63105 P: 314.613.2518 | F: 314.613.2801 | JLoevy at LATHROPGAGE.COM www.lathropgage.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. ________________________________ This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain material that (1) is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient, and (2) may be protected by the attorney-client privilege, attorney work product doctrine or other legal rules. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. ________________________________ From JLoevy at LATHROPGAGE.COM Tue Aug 9 16:46:30 2016 From: JLoevy at LATHROPGAGE.COM (Loevy, Joshua L. (LG)) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:46:30 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] File cite In-Reply-To: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13A752DACA@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13A752DACA@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> Message-ID: That would be great; thanks! Joshua Loevy P: 314.613.2518 -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Farber, Randy via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:44 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Farber, Randy Subject: Re: [blindlaw] File cite Josh - My firm uses File Site. I assume that it is similar to your File Cite. Are you available to talk this afternoon? If so, I'll give you a call. Randy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Loevy, Joshua L. (LG) via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:18 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) Cc: Loevy, Joshua L. (LG) Subject: [blindlaw] File cite Morning everyone,] I know the myriad issues with file management software are well tread on this list. I am curious if anyone has worked with file cite specifically. My firm uses it, and it is the bane of my existence. If anyone has used it in the past, and knows of any work arounds or tips I would appreciate it. Thanks, Josh [cid:image0c026e.GIF at 6add407d.4196e5f2] Joshua Loevy Associate Pierre Laclede Center, 7701 Forsyth Boulevard, Suite 500 | Clayton, MO 63105 P: 314.613.2518 | F: 314.613.2801 | JLoevy at LATHROPGAGE.COM www.lathropgage.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. ________________________________ This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain material that (1) is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient, and (2) may be protected by the attorney-client privilege, attorney work product doctrine or other legal rules. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. ________________________________ _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_listinfo_blindlaw-5Fnfbnet.org&d=CwICAg&c=zq7Mynb997iZeC8XoLQcB11VjdO25CZYDUZ0f4PEEy0&r=p9cYR0ZTBfQo0Swz42TqgfoJjkrzfDIGBdNtLahdAqM&m=ucbRh4PVBkpwEb8bhKhDzkVHzr5lRgxbmWpJDfGgwZ8&s=TRyS4P-0LXwq8eAO-tAg1RcjGfE8CnISRrkB3-7bDII&e= To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_options_blindlaw-5Fnfbnet.org_jloevy-2540lathropgage.com&d=CwICAg&c=zq7Mynb997iZeC8XoLQcB11VjdO25CZYDUZ0f4PEEy0&r=p9cYR0ZTBfQo0Swz42TqgfoJjkrzfDIGBdNtLahdAqM&m=ucbRh4PVBkpwEb8bhKhDzkVHzr5lRgxbmWpJDfGgwZ8&s=P6DUV-H3-7VBrC-89aB6eTp8t7XK3TIm_RLHXSGLpVU&e= From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Tue Aug 9 16:59:53 2016 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 11:59:53 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations In-Reply-To: <005501d1f1e2$947a7010$bd6f5030$@gmail.com> References: <003801d1f17b$34c6a4c0$9e53ee40$@mdtap.org> <007501d1f198$24d13b30$6e73b190$@gmail.com> <005501d1f1e2$947a7010$bd6f5030$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0OBN00EZFJ7ZF030@st11p00im-asmtp002.me.com> Hi Everyone, LSAT logic games are not “inherently visual.” The problem is that most testtakers are visual learners, so LSAT prep classes teach them to tackle this section visually. When I took the LSAT, I used an Excel spreadsheet to diagram my logic games, and I did reasonably well. I chose Excel over tactile aides because it gave me more flexibility to manipulate the elements. However, I’m afraid that no single method will work best for every blind testtaker. The key to success is to try several different approaches and determine what works best for you. Happy Studying, Michal Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Sy Hoekstra via BlindLaw From shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 18:32:37 2016 From: shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com (Shelley Richards) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:32:37 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT accomodations In-Reply-To: <0OBN00EZFJ7ZF030@st11p00im-asmtp002.me.com> References: <003801d1f17b$34c6a4c0$9e53ee40$@mdtap.org> <007501d1f198$24d13b30$6e73b190$@gmail.com> <005501d1f1e2$947a7010$bd6f5030$@gmail.com> <0OBN00EZFJ7ZF030@st11p00im-asmtp002.me.com> Message-ID: I agree that it definitely is not going to be inherently visual, or inherently dificult for all blind test takers. I did very well on the logic games section. Unfortunately I have difficulty explaining how I did well, or helping other blind test takers on this. The best explaination I can come up with is this. I used an excel spread sheet on the day of the test, but I was largely able to keep track of it all in my head by imagineing a tactile diagram, and imagineing myself manipulating tactile markers within that diagram. I don't know that this method would work well for many people, but I just want to make the point that there are many different ways to approach this. Be creative, and keep trying different ways until you feel good about a method. I felt good about using a spread sheet as well, and liked having a back up method. Although, I don't think I fairly tested how well a spread sheet worked because it was hard for me to practice with the spread sheet without automatically trying to figure it out in my head at the same time. I know people have found tactile methods very help as well, but I personally never tested any tactile methods. It is definitely possible for blind people to do well on this section though, and it is also ok if this is your weeker section. Remember almost every test taker, regardless of background or disability status, generally has stronger and weeker sections. On 8/9/16, Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > LSAT logic games are not “inherently visual.” The problem is that most > testtakers are visual learners, so LSAT prep classes teach them to tackle > this section visually. > > When I took the LSAT, I used an Excel spreadsheet to diagram my logic games, > and I did reasonably well. I chose Excel over tactile aides because it gave > me more flexibility to manipulate the elements. However, I’m afraid that no > single method will work best for every blind testtaker. The key to success > is to try several different approaches and determine what works best for > you. > > Happy Studying, > > Michal > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Sy Hoekstra via BlindLaw > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shelleyrichards9%40gmail.com > -- Thank You Shelley Palmadessa shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com From angie.matney at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 18:47:45 2016 From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:47:45 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] File cite In-Reply-To: References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13A752DACA@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> Message-ID: Our firm uses it too. I find I'm able to do most things, though speech and braille support is not ideal. There are still a few things that frustrate me, such as trying to attach a document or an NRL file to a message that's already in progress. I'm happy to offer any tips I can for performing other tasks. Thanks, Angie On 8/9/16, Loevy, Joshua L. (LG) via BlindLaw wrote: > That would be great; thanks! > > > > > Joshua Loevy > P: 314.613.2518 > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Farber, > Randy via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:44 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Farber, Randy > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] File cite > > Josh - My firm uses File Site. I assume that it is similar to your File > Cite. Are you available to talk this afternoon? If so, I'll give you a > call. > > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Loevy, > Joshua L. (LG) via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:18 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) > Cc: Loevy, Joshua L. (LG) > Subject: [blindlaw] File cite > > Morning everyone,] > I know the myriad issues with file management software are well tread on > this list. I am curious if anyone has worked with file cite specifically. My > firm uses it, and it is the bane of my existence. If anyone has used it in > the past, and knows of any work arounds or tips I would appreciate it. > Thanks, > Josh > > > > > [cid:image0c026e.GIF at 6add407d.4196e5f2] > > > Joshua Loevy > Associate > Pierre Laclede Center, 7701 Forsyth Boulevard, Suite 500 | Clayton, MO > 63105 > P: 314.613.2518 | F: 314.613.2801 | > JLoevy at LATHROPGAGE.COM > www.lathropgage.com > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > ________________________________ > This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain material that (1) is > confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient, and (2) may be > protected by the attorney-client privilege, attorney work product doctrine > or other legal rules. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or > forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. 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If it is, please let me know and I'd be happy to help if I can. I don't find Work Site problematic, though there are a few things I would like to be able to do more easily. Kind regards Ger On 8/9/16, Angie Matney via BlindLaw wrote: > Our firm uses it too. I find I'm able to do most things, though speech > and braille support is not ideal. There are still a few things that > frustrate me, such as trying to attach a document or an NRL file to a > message that's already in progress. I'm happy to offer any tips I can > for performing other tasks. > > Thanks, > > Angie > > > On 8/9/16, Loevy, Joshua L. (LG) via BlindLaw wrote: >> That would be great; thanks! >> >> >> >> >> Joshua Loevy >> P: 314.613.2518 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Farber, >> Randy via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:44 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Farber, Randy >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] File cite >> >> Josh - My firm uses File Site. I assume that it is similar to your File >> Cite. Are you available to talk this afternoon? If so, I'll give you a >> call. >> >> Randy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Loevy, >> Joshua L. (LG) via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:18 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) >> Cc: Loevy, Joshua L. (LG) >> Subject: [blindlaw] File cite >> >> Morning everyone,] >> I know the myriad issues with file management software are well tread on >> this list. I am curious if anyone has worked with file cite specifically. >> My >> firm uses it, and it is the bane of my existence. If anyone has used it >> in >> the past, and knows of any work arounds or tips I would appreciate it. >> Thanks, >> Josh >> >> >> >> >> [cid:image0c026e.GIF at 6add407d.4196e5f2] >> >> >> Joshua Loevy >> Associate >> Pierre Laclede Center, 7701 Forsyth Boulevard, Suite 500 | Clayton, MO >> 63105 >> P: 314.613.2518 | F: 314.613.2801 | >> JLoevy at LATHROPGAGE.COM >> www.lathropgage.com >> >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain material that (1) is >> confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient, and (2) may >> be >> protected by the attorney-client privilege, attorney work product >> doctrine >> or other legal rules. 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Avant President National Federation of the Blind of Illinois Live the life you want Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Stratton, Michael" > Date: August 10, 2016 at 12:51:47 PM CDT > To: 3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG > Subject: Fwd: ADAAA Final Rule To Be Published Tomorrow > Reply-To: "The Disability Discussion Docket (3D)" <3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG>, "Stratton, Michael" > > FYI > > > Michael J. Stratton > Program Associate > Commission on Disability Rights (CDR) > American Bar Association (ABA) > 1050 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 400 > Washington, DC 20036-5303 > 202-662-1571 (phone) > 202-442-3439 (fax) > > michael.stratton at americanbar.org (email) > http://www.americanbar.org/disability (website) > > Sent from Outlook Mobile > > _____________________________ > From: U.S. Department of Justice > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 10:40 AM > Subject: ADAAA Final Rule To Be Published Tomorrow > To: ABA Commission on Disability Rights > > > Today, the Federal Register made available for public inspection a final rule revising the Justice Department's Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) Title II and Title III regulations to implement the requirements of the ADA Amendments Act of 2008 (ADAAA). The final rule will be published in the Federal Register tomorrow, August 11, 2016, and will take effect on Monday, October 10, 2016, 60 days from publication in the Federal Register. > > In response to several Supreme Court decisions that narrowly interpreted the ADA's definition of "disability," Congress passed the ADAAA to ensure that the ADA definition of "disability" would be broadly construed. The ADAAA made a number of significant changes to the meaning and interpretation of the ADA definition of "disability" to ensure that the term would be applied without extensive analysis, so that all individuals with disabilities could receive the law's protections. The final rule ensures that the Department's regulations are consistent with the changes Congress made to the ADA. > > A pre-publication copy of the final rule posted by the Federal Register on its public inspection desk can be found today at:https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2016/08/11/2016-17417/amendment-of-americans-with-disabilities-act-regulations-to-implement-the-americans-with. Once the final rule is published in the Federal Register tomorrow, a copy will be available on the Department's ADA website. > > For more information about the ADAAA, please visit the Department's ADA website (www.ada.gov) or call the ADA Information Line: Voice: 1-800-514-0301; TTY: 1-800-514-3083. > > | | | AG Twitter feed | DOJ Twitter feed > You have received this e-mail because you have asked to be notified of changes to the U.S. Department of Justice website. 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Best, Laura From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 18:26:42 2016 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:26:42 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Judge Tatel Interview Message-ID: Hi Everyone, As some of you may recall, I had recently solicited questions for Judge Tatel from members of this group for our interview with him. Thanks to everyone who shared possible questions. The interview can be found here: http://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-ii-with-judge-david-s-tatel/ You can also find a link to the audio recording after the text of the interview which I would strongly suggest you listen to. I think Judge Tatel's actionable insights can benefit many law students and young lawyers, so I would request you to widely disseminate this interview amongst your friends/colleagues. If you have any suggestions about who we could interview next, please send an email to anusha at idialaw.com. Thanks for your support! Best, Rahul From BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com Wed Aug 17 19:08:25 2016 From: BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com (Brian Unitt) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:08:25 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Judge Tatel Interview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A95BD82E7BAD44D9AEB0A8A59AA511408062DB8@MBX030-E1-VA-6.exch030.domain.local> Very good interview. Thank you for sharing it. Brian Brian C. Unitt Holstein, Taylor and Unitt A Professional Corporation 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103 Riverside, CA 92501 Tel: 951-682-7030 Fax: 951-684-8061 www.holsteinlaw.com mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 11:27 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Rahul Bajaj Subject: [blindlaw] Judge Tatel Interview Hi Everyone, As some of you may recall, I had recently solicited questions for Judge Tatel from members of this group for our interview with him. Thanks to everyone who shared possible questions. The interview can be found here: http://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-ii-with-judge-david-s-tatel/ You can also find a link to the audio recording after the text of the interview which I would strongly suggest you listen to. I think Judge Tatel's actionable insights can benefit many law students and young lawyers, so I would request you to widely disseminate this interview amongst your friends/colleagues. If you have any suggestions about who we could interview next, please send an email to anusha at idialaw.com. Thanks for your support! Best, Rahul _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/brianunitt%40holsteinlaw.com ________________________________ From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 16:03:29 2016 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:03:29 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review Message-ID: All, I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it independently as possible. From jim at skamarakas.com Thu Aug 18 16:10:31 2016 From: jim at skamarakas.com (jim at skamarakas.com) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:10:31 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you get 'r' -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: kelby carlson Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review All, I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it independently as possible. _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 16:11:29 2016 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:11:29 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Kelby, Yes, I have done this. I apologize, but can you provide more information about what you are struggling with? Assuming you pull things from Hein and/or Westlaw, there should be no trouble just going to the site and downloading the pdf, and going to the library to get print sources. Sorry if this isn't addressing your question, but I'm happy to try and provide more help. Laura On 8/18/16, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > All, > > I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past > and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to > figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any > help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it > independently as possible. > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com > From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 16:13:25 2016 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:13:25 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a lot of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command doesn't seem to work right, and the JAWS find command can only search the page that is on the screen. Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: > I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you get 'r' > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby > carlson via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: kelby carlson > Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review > > All, > > I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past and has > pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to figure out an > efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any help is greatly > appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it independently as possible. > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 16:13:53 2016 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:13:53 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also--a number of the sources don't exist on Wstlaw; for example online textbooks on Aila which are not as accessible. On 8/18/16, kelby carlson wrote: > I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a lot > of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command doesn't seem > to work right, and the JAWS find command can only search the page that > is on the screen. > > Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? > > > > On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you get >> 'r' >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby >> carlson via BlindLaw >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: kelby carlson >> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >> >> All, >> >> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past and >> has >> pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to figure out an >> efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any help is greatly >> appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it independently as possible. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >> > From ttomasi at driowa.org Thu Aug 18 16:17:09 2016 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:17:09 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was on a law journal and worked with a sighted reader to pull sources that were inaccessible to me. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: kelby carlson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review Also--a number of the sources don't exist on Wstlaw; for example online textbooks on Aila which are not as accessible. On 8/18/16, kelby carlson wrote: > I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a lot > of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command doesn't seem > to work right, and the JAWS find command can only search the page that > is on the screen. > > Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? > > > > On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you >> get 'r' >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: kelby carlson >> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >> >> All, >> >> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past >> and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to >> figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any >> help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it >> independently as possible. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamaraka >> s.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40 >> gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From ttomasi at driowa.org Thu Aug 18 16:18:18 2016 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:18:18 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR software when possible. If that did not render the document accessible, I worked with a human reader to access them. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: kelby carlson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a lot of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command doesn't seem to work right, and the JAWS find command can only search the page that is on the screen. Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: > I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you get 'r' > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby > carlson via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: kelby carlson > Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review > > All, > > I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past > and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to > figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any > help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it independently as possible. > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas > .com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40g > mail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From laura.wolk at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 16:31:32 2016 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:31:32 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off of them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to be flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL or to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to check longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for someone else taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a practice implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal is to come up with equitable yet flexible solutions. Laura On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: > I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR software when > possible. If that did not render the document accessible, I worked with a > human reader to access them. > > Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans > with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of > Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named > recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client > communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an > intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are > prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from > making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this > e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any > attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any > printouts. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby > carlson via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: kelby carlson > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review > > I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a lot of > trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command doesn't seem to work > right, and the JAWS find command can only search the page that is on the > screen. > > Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? > > > > On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you get >> 'r' >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby >> carlson via BlindLaw >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: kelby carlson >> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >> >> All, >> >> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past >> and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to >> figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any >> help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it independently as >> possible. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas >> .com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40g >> mail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com > From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 16:50:32 2016 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:50:32 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print sources that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would probably be easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word with Kurzweil. If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that would be nice. On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: > I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain > articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off of > them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to be > flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, > students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL or > to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to check > longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for someone else > taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a practice > implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal is to come > up with equitable yet flexible solutions. > > Laura > > On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR software >> when >> possible. If that did not render the document accessible, I worked with a >> human reader to access them. >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans >> with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of >> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named >> recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client >> communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an >> intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you >> are >> prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or >> from >> making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this >> e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any >> attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy >> any >> printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby >> carlson via BlindLaw >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: kelby carlson >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >> >> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a lot of >> trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command doesn't seem to work >> right, and the JAWS find command can only search the page that is on the >> screen. >> >> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >> >> >> >> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you get >>> 'r' >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby >>> carlson via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: kelby carlson >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>> >>> All, >>> >>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past >>> and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to >>> figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any >>> help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it independently >>> as >>> possible. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas >>> .com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40g >>> mail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > From jtfetter at yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 19:09:41 2016 From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:09:41 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review requires merging the pdf of the article or other source with the table of contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I found it, and I would highly recommend a product (not cheap but very good) called Nuance Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as a pdf-to-word converter as well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 1000. I have found that even some text PDF's do not interact very well with Jaws, hence the strategy of preemptive conversion. Congratulations on being on journal, and please feel free to reach out with any questions. On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print sources > that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would probably be > easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word with Kurzweil. > > If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that > would be nice. > > > > On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain >> articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off of >> them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to be >> flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, >> students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL or >> to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to check >> longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for someone else >> taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a practice >> implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal is to come >> up with equitable yet flexible solutions. >> >> Laura >> >> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR software >>> when >>> possible. If that did not render the document accessible, I worked with a >>> human reader to access them. >>> >>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>> Staff Attorney >>> >>> >>> >>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>> www.driowa.org >>> >>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans >>> with disabilities >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> >>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of >>> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named >>> recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client >>> communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an >>> intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you >>> are >>> prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or >>> from >>> making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this >>> e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any >>> attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy >>> any >>> printouts. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby >>> carlson via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: kelby carlson >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>> >>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a lot of >>> trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command doesn't seem to work >>> right, and the JAWS find command can only search the page that is on the >>> screen. >>> >>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you get >>>> 'r' >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby >>>> carlson via BlindLaw >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past >>>> and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to >>>> figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any >>>> help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it independently >>>> as >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas >>>> .com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 19:14:50 2016 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:14:50 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> References: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well? On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: > For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes > navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review requires > merging the pdf of the article or other source with the table of > contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I found it, and I > would highly recommend a product (not cheap but very good) called Nuance > Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as a pdf-to-word converter as > well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 1000. I have found that even some > text PDF's do not interact very well with Jaws, hence the strategy of > preemptive conversion. Congratulations on being on journal, and please > feel free to reach out with any questions. > > > > On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print sources >> that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would probably be >> easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word with Kurzweil. >> >> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that >> would be nice. >> >> >> >> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain >>> articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off of >>> them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to be >>> flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, >>> students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL or >>> to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to check >>> longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for someone else >>> taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a practice >>> implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal is to come >>> up with equitable yet flexible solutions. >>> >>> Laura >>> >>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR software >>>> when >>>> possible. If that did not render the document accessible, I worked with >>>> a >>>> human reader to access them. >>>> >>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>>> Staff Attorney >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>>> www.driowa.org >>>> >>>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>>> Iowans >>>> with disabilities >>>> >>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>>> >>>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm >>>> of >>>> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named >>>> recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client >>>> communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than >>>> an >>>> intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you >>>> are >>>> prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or >>>> from >>>> making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this >>>> e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, >>>> any >>>> attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and >>>> destroy >>>> any >>>> printouts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby >>>> carlson via BlindLaw >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>> >>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a lot >>>> of >>>> trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command doesn't seem to >>>> work >>>> right, and the JAWS find command can only search the page that is on >>>> the >>>> screen. >>>> >>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you >>>>> get >>>>> 'r' >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby >>>>> carlson via BlindLaw >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past >>>>> and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to >>>>> figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any >>>>> help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it >>>>> independently >>>>> as >>>>> possible. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > From jtfetter at yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 19:24:36 2016 From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:24:36 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to identify tables and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it also does a fair job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It also is good for scanning, if you have to scan and send a properly formatted document, say, a signed contract, to a sighted person, and it allows for the conversion of pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file explorer (once installed, options appear under the applications menu to convert pdf as document to word, as spreadsheet to excel, etc). I think it's over $100, but I have found it useful for a variety of things. And, as for the pdf merging business, well, I hope that I can change that and a variety of other things next year. Out of curiosity, does your journal still have people physically mark up printed documents as part of the editing process? Mine does, and although I can obviously use the word version of the article instead, I have wondered how common that particular requirement is as well. On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds > very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well? > > On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes >> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review requires >> merging the pdf of the article or other source with the table of >> contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I found it, and I >> would highly recommend a product (not cheap but very good) called Nuance >> Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as a pdf-to-word converter as >> well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 1000. I have found that even some >> text PDF's do not interact very well with Jaws, hence the strategy of >> preemptive conversion. Congratulations on being on journal, and please >> feel free to reach out with any questions. >> >> >> >> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print sources >>> that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would probably be >>> easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word with Kurzweil. >>> >>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that >>> would be nice. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain >>>> articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off of >>>> them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to be >>>> flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, >>>> students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL or >>>> to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to check >>>> longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for someone else >>>> taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a practice >>>> implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal is to come >>>> up with equitable yet flexible solutions. >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR software >>>>> when >>>>> possible. If that did not render the document accessible, I worked with >>>>> a >>>>> human reader to access them. >>>>> >>>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>>>> Staff Attorney >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>>>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>>>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>>>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>>>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>>>> www.driowa.org >>>>> >>>>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>>>> Iowans >>>>> with disabilities >>>>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>>>> >>>>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm >>>>> of >>>>> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named >>>>> recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client >>>>> communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than >>>>> an >>>>> intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you >>>>> are >>>>> prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or >>>>> from >>>>> making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this >>>>> e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, >>>>> any >>>>> attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and >>>>> destroy >>>>> any >>>>> printouts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby >>>>> carlson via BlindLaw >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>> >>>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a lot >>>>> of >>>>> trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command doesn't seem to >>>>> work >>>>> right, and the JAWS find command can only search the page that is on >>>>> the >>>>> screen. >>>>> >>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you >>>>>> get >>>>>> 'r' >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby >>>>>> carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>> >>>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past >>>>>> and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to >>>>>> figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any >>>>>> help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it >>>>>> independently >>>>>> as >>>>>> possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40g >>>>>> mail.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 19:29:37 2016 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:29:37 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> References: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Very good to know; it might be good to have that as an alternative to Kurzweil, and approx. $150 sounds reasonable especially compared to Kurzweil's prices. No, our journal is exclusively electronic at this point. Mainly the sighted folks use Adobe for underlining and highlighting, but I'll be doing it somewhat differently. Do you know if the Nuance program can also identify footnotes/endnotes? That would be immensely useful. On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: > Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to identify > tables and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it also does a > fair job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It also is good for > scanning, if you have to scan and send a properly formatted document, > say, a signed contract, to a sighted person, and it allows for the > conversion of pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file explorer (once > installed, options appear under the applications menu to convert pdf as > document to word, as spreadsheet to excel, etc). I think it's over $100, > but I have found it useful for a variety of things. And, as for the pdf > merging business, well, I hope that I can change that and a variety of > other things next year. Out of curiosity, does your journal still have > people physically mark up printed documents as part of the editing > process? Mine does, and although I can obviously use the word version of > the article instead, I have wondered how common that particular > requirement is as well. > > > > > > On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >> Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds >> very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well? >> >> On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes >>> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review requires >>> merging the pdf of the article or other source with the table of >>> contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I found it, and I >>> would highly recommend a product (not cheap but very good) called Nuance >>> Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as a pdf-to-word converter as >>> well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 1000. I have found that even some >>> text PDF's do not interact very well with Jaws, hence the strategy of >>> preemptive conversion. Congratulations on being on journal, and please >>> feel free to reach out with any questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print sources >>>> that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would probably be >>>> easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word with Kurzweil. >>>> >>>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that >>>> would be nice. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain >>>>> articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off of >>>>> them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to be >>>>> flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, >>>>> students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL or >>>>> to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to check >>>>> longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for someone else >>>>> taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a practice >>>>> implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal is to come >>>>> up with equitable yet flexible solutions. >>>>> >>>>> Laura >>>>> >>>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR >>>>>> software >>>>>> when >>>>>> possible. If that did not render the document accessible, I worked >>>>>> with >>>>>> a >>>>>> human reader to access them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>>>>> Staff Attorney >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>>>>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>>>>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>>>>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>>>>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>>>>> www.driowa.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>>>>> Iowans >>>>>> with disabilities >>>>>> >>>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>>>>> >>>>>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm >>>>>> of >>>>>> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the >>>>>> named >>>>>> recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client >>>>>> communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other >>>>>> than >>>>>> an >>>>>> intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, >>>>>> you >>>>>> are >>>>>> prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments >>>>>> or >>>>>> from >>>>>> making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received >>>>>> this >>>>>> e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, >>>>>> any >>>>>> attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and >>>>>> destroy >>>>>> any >>>>>> printouts. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> kelby >>>>>> carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a >>>>>> lot >>>>>> of >>>>>> trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command doesn't seem to >>>>>> work >>>>>> right, and the JAWS find command can only search the page that is on >>>>>> the >>>>>> screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> 'r' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> kelby >>>>>>> carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past >>>>>>> and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to >>>>>>> figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any >>>>>>> help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it >>>>>>> independently >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas >>>>>>> .com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40g >>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > From jtfetter at yahoo.com Thu Aug 18 19:36:16 2016 From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:36:16 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <817df949-a983-cf48-3cea-c4878c2fcce8@yahoo.com> I think it does, but if I remember correctly, it does not structure them as footnotes/endnotes as you would typically see in a Word doc. It just throws them at the bottom of the page, and it can be hit or miss about getting the numbering correct. The one disadvantage of this program compared to Kurzweil is that the resulting Word document is not always paginated the same as the PDF. All of the page breaks from the PDF remain in the document, but a word document from a pdf with longer pages sometimes has additional page breaks, which makes it harder to get right to the desired page. On 8/18/2016 3:29 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > Very good to know; it might be good to have that as an alternative to > Kurzweil, and approx. $150 sounds reasonable especially compared to > Kurzweil's prices. > > No, our journal is exclusively electronic at this point. Mainly the > sighted folks use Adobe for underlining and highlighting, but I'll be > doing it somewhat differently. > > Do you know if the Nuance program can also identify > footnotes/endnotes? That would be immensely useful. > > > > On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >> Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to identify >> tables and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it also does a >> fair job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It also is good for >> scanning, if you have to scan and send a properly formatted document, >> say, a signed contract, to a sighted person, and it allows for the >> conversion of pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file explorer (once >> installed, options appear under the applications menu to convert pdf as >> document to word, as spreadsheet to excel, etc). I think it's over $100, >> but I have found it useful for a variety of things. And, as for the pdf >> merging business, well, I hope that I can change that and a variety of >> other things next year. Out of curiosity, does your journal still have >> people physically mark up printed documents as part of the editing >> process? Mine does, and although I can obviously use the word version of >> the article instead, I have wondered how common that particular >> requirement is as well. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds >>> very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well? >>> >>> On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes >>>> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review requires >>>> merging the pdf of the article or other source with the table of >>>> contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I found it, and I >>>> would highly recommend a product (not cheap but very good) called Nuance >>>> Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as a pdf-to-word converter as >>>> well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 1000. I have found that even some >>>> text PDF's do not interact very well with Jaws, hence the strategy of >>>> preemptive conversion. Congratulations on being on journal, and please >>>> feel free to reach out with any questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print sources >>>>> that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would probably be >>>>> easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word with Kurzweil. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that >>>>> would be nice. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain >>>>>> articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off of >>>>>> them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to be >>>>>> flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, >>>>>> students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL or >>>>>> to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to check >>>>>> longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for someone else >>>>>> taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a practice >>>>>> implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal is to come >>>>>> up with equitable yet flexible solutions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Laura >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR >>>>>>> software >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> possible. If that did not render the document accessible, I worked >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> human reader to access them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>>>>>> Staff Attorney >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>>>>>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>>>>>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>>>>>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>>>>>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>>>>>> www.driowa.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>>>>>> Iowans >>>>>>> with disabilities >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the >>>>>>> named >>>>>>> recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client >>>>>>> communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and >>>>>>> destroy >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> printouts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> kelby >>>>>>> carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a >>>>>>> lot >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command doesn't seem to >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> right, and the JAWS find command can only search the page that is on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor you >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> 'r' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> kelby >>>>>>>> carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the past >>>>>>>> and has pulled sources. The production team and I are struggling to >>>>>>>> figure out an efficient process to do this with a screen reader. Any >>>>>>>> help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as much of it >>>>>>>> independently >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas >>>>>>>> .com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40g >>>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com From ttomasi at driowa.org Thu Aug 18 19:39:55 2016 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:39:55 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: <817df949-a983-cf48-3cea-c4878c2fcce8@yahoo.com> References: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> <817df949-a983-cf48-3cea-c4878c2fcce8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have found that ABYY FineReader does a great job of preserving footnotes as such, rather than just throwing the text at the bottom of the page. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Fetter via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 2:36 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: James Fetter Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review I think it does, but if I remember correctly, it does not structure them as footnotes/endnotes as you would typically see in a Word doc. It just throws them at the bottom of the page, and it can be hit or miss about getting the numbering correct. The one disadvantage of this program compared to Kurzweil is that the resulting Word document is not always paginated the same as the PDF. All of the page breaks from the PDF remain in the document, but a word document from a pdf with longer pages sometimes has additional page breaks, which makes it harder to get right to the desired page. On 8/18/2016 3:29 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > Very good to know; it might be good to have that as an alternative to > Kurzweil, and approx. $150 sounds reasonable especially compared to > Kurzweil's prices. > > No, our journal is exclusively electronic at this point. Mainly the > sighted folks use Adobe for underlining and highlighting, but I'll be > doing it somewhat differently. > > Do you know if the Nuance program can also identify > footnotes/endnotes? That would be immensely useful. > > > > On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >> Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to >> identify tables and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it >> also does a fair job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It >> also is good for scanning, if you have to scan and send a properly >> formatted document, say, a signed contract, to a sighted person, and >> it allows for the conversion of pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file >> explorer (once installed, options appear under the applications menu >> to convert pdf as document to word, as spreadsheet to excel, etc). I >> think it's over $100, but I have found it useful for a variety of >> things. And, as for the pdf merging business, well, I hope that I can >> change that and a variety of other things next year. Out of >> curiosity, does your journal still have people physically mark up >> printed documents as part of the editing process? Mine does, and >> although I can obviously use the word version of the article instead, >> I have wondered how common that particular requirement is as well. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds >>> very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well? >>> >>> On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes >>>> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review >>>> requires merging the pdf of the article or other source with the >>>> table of contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I >>>> found it, and I would highly recommend a product (not cheap but >>>> very good) called Nuance Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as >>>> a pdf-to-word converter as well, sometimes better than Kurzweil >>>> 1000. I have found that even some text PDF's do not interact very >>>> well with Jaws, hence the strategy of preemptive conversion. >>>> Congratulations on being on journal, and please feel free to reach out with any questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print >>>>> sources that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would >>>>> probably be easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word with Kurzweil. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe >>>>> that would be nice. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if >>>>>> certain articles were very print source heavy, I simply just >>>>>> switched off of them onto other articles. My law review team was >>>>>> very willing to be flexible with me in that way, as they would >>>>>> with, for instance, students who were studying abroad and so did >>>>>> not have access to ILL or to our print library. Alternatively, >>>>>> sometimes I would offer to check longer ranges of footnotes on >>>>>> articles in exchange for someone else taking on my print sources. >>>>>> Again, this was also a practice implemented for students studying >>>>>> abroad. I think the goal is to come up with equitable yet flexible solutions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Laura >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR >>>>>>> software when possible. If that did not render the document >>>>>>> accessible, I worked with a human reader to access them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>>>>>> Staff Attorney >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>>>>>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>>>>>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>>>>>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>>>>>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>>>>>> www.driowa.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights >>>>>>> of Iowans with disabilities >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law >>>>>>> firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the >>>>>>> use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain >>>>>>> privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any >>>>>>> dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is >>>>>>> prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited >>>>>>> from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or >>>>>>> from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have >>>>>>> received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and >>>>>>> delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any >>>>>>> drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having >>>>>>> a lot of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command >>>>>>> doesn't seem to work right, and the JAWS find command can only >>>>>>> search the page that is on the screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor >>>>>>>> you get 'r' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>>>>>> Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the >>>>>>>> past and has pulled sources. The production team and I are >>>>>>>> struggling to figure out an efficient process to do this with a >>>>>>>> screen reader. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do >>>>>>>> as much of it independently as possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40ska >>>>>>>> marakas >>>>>>>> .com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarl >>>>>>>> son%40g >>>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>> info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40 >>>>>>> driowa.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>> info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso >>>>>> n%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40y >>>>> ahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yah >>> oo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40 >> gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo > .com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 20:08:31 2016 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:08:31 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> <817df949-a983-cf48-3cea-c4878c2fcce8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use the KOCR Util that is bundled with Kurzweil when I want to try and have footnotes preserved. I find that it is generally hit or miss. So, for example, i will usually keep something as a PDF if reading it in VoiceDream (which I do some legal work in occasionally) because for some reason in that application you can't move by page in a Word document; whereas in a regular MS Word session I'd keep it in Word. Ty, are you using the FineReader engine separate from the Kurzweil 1000 program? On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: > I have found that ABYY FineReader does a great job of preserving footnotes > as such, rather than just throwing the text at the bottom of the page. > > Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans > with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of > Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named > recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client > communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an > intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are > prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from > making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this > e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any > attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any > printouts. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James > Fetter via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 2:36 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: James Fetter > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review > > I think it does, but if I remember correctly, it does not structure them as > footnotes/endnotes as you would typically see in a Word doc. It just throws > them at the bottom of the page, and it can be hit or miss about getting the > numbering correct. The one disadvantage of this program compared to Kurzweil > is that the resulting Word document is not always paginated the same as the > PDF. All of the page breaks from the PDF remain in the document, but a word > document from a pdf with longer pages sometimes has additional page breaks, > which makes it harder to get right to the desired page. > > On 8/18/2016 3:29 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >> Very good to know; it might be good to have that as an alternative to >> Kurzweil, and approx. $150 sounds reasonable especially compared to >> Kurzweil's prices. >> >> No, our journal is exclusively electronic at this point. Mainly the >> sighted folks use Adobe for underlining and highlighting, but I'll be >> doing it somewhat differently. >> >> Do you know if the Nuance program can also identify >> footnotes/endnotes? That would be immensely useful. >> >> >> >> On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to >>> identify tables and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it >>> also does a fair job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It >>> also is good for scanning, if you have to scan and send a properly >>> formatted document, say, a signed contract, to a sighted person, and >>> it allows for the conversion of pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file >>> explorer (once installed, options appear under the applications menu >>> to convert pdf as document to word, as spreadsheet to excel, etc). I >>> think it's over $100, but I have found it useful for a variety of >>> things. And, as for the pdf merging business, well, I hope that I can >>> change that and a variety of other things next year. Out of >>> curiosity, does your journal still have people physically mark up >>> printed documents as part of the editing process? Mine does, and >>> although I can obviously use the word version of the article instead, >>> I have wondered how common that particular requirement is as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds >>>> very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well? >>>> >>>> On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes >>>>> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review >>>>> requires merging the pdf of the article or other source with the >>>>> table of contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I >>>>> found it, and I would highly recommend a product (not cheap but >>>>> very good) called Nuance Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as >>>>> a pdf-to-word converter as well, sometimes better than Kurzweil >>>>> 1000. I have found that even some text PDF's do not interact very >>>>> well with Jaws, hence the strategy of preemptive conversion. >>>>> Congratulations on being on journal, and please feel free to reach out >>>>> with any questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print >>>>>> sources that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would >>>>>> probably be easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word with >>>>>> Kurzweil. >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe >>>>>> that would be nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if >>>>>>> certain articles were very print source heavy, I simply just >>>>>>> switched off of them onto other articles. My law review team was >>>>>>> very willing to be flexible with me in that way, as they would >>>>>>> with, for instance, students who were studying abroad and so did >>>>>>> not have access to ILL or to our print library. Alternatively, >>>>>>> sometimes I would offer to check longer ranges of footnotes on >>>>>>> articles in exchange for someone else taking on my print sources. >>>>>>> Again, this was also a practice implemented for students studying >>>>>>> abroad. I think the goal is to come up with equitable yet flexible >>>>>>> solutions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR >>>>>>>> software when possible. If that did not render the document >>>>>>>> accessible, I worked with a human reader to access them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>>>>>>> Staff Attorney >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>>>>>>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>>>>>>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>>>>>>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>>>>>>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>>>>>>> www.driowa.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights >>>>>>>> of Iowans with disabilities >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law >>>>>>>> firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the >>>>>>>> use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain >>>>>>>> privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any >>>>>>>> dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is >>>>>>>> prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited >>>>>>>> from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or >>>>>>>> from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have >>>>>>>> received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and >>>>>>>> delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any >>>>>>>> drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having >>>>>>>> a lot of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command >>>>>>>> doesn't seem to work right, and the JAWS find command can only >>>>>>>> search the page that is on the screen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor >>>>>>>>> you get 'r' >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>>>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the >>>>>>>>> past and has pulled sources. The production team and I are >>>>>>>>> struggling to figure out an efficient process to do this with a >>>>>>>>> screen reader. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do >>>>>>>>> as much of it independently as possible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40ska >>>>>>>>> marakas >>>>>>>>> .com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarl >>>>>>>>> son%40g >>>>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40 >>>>>>>> driowa.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso >>>>>>> n%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40y >>>>>> ahoo.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson% >>>>> 40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yah >>>> oo.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40 >>> gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo >> .com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 03:11:54 2016 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 23:11:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> References: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <016f01d1f9c7$709b5050$51d1f0f0$@gmail.com> Just curious, how is Adobe Pro? That converts PDFs to Word as well but don't know how good it is compared to Nuance. Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Fetter via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:25 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: James Fetter Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to identify tables and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it also does a fair job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It also is good for scanning, if you have to scan and send a properly formatted document, say, a signed contract, to a sighted person, and it allows for the conversion of pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file explorer (once installed, options appear under the applications menu to convert pdf as document to word, as spreadsheet to excel, etc). I think it's over $100, but I have found it useful for a variety of things. And, as for the pdf merging business, well, I hope that I can change that and a variety of other things next year. Out of curiosity, does your journal still have people physically mark up printed documents as part of the editing process? Mine does, and although I can obviously use the word version of the article instead, I have wondered how common that particular requirement is as well. On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds > very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well? > > On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes >> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review requires >> merging the pdf of the article or other source with the table of >> contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I found it, and >> I would highly recommend a product (not cheap but very good) called >> Nuance Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as a pdf-to-word >> converter as well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 1000. I have found >> that even some text PDF's do not interact very well with Jaws, hence >> the strategy of preemptive conversion. Congratulations on being on >> journal, and please feel free to reach out with any questions. >> >> >> >> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print >>> sources that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would >>> probably be easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word with Kurzweil. >>> >>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that >>> would be nice. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain >>>> articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off >>>> of them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to >>>> be flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, >>>> students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL >>>> or to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to >>>> check longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for >>>> someone else taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a >>>> practice implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal >>>> is to come up with equitable yet flexible solutions. >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR >>>>> software when possible. If that did not render the document >>>>> accessible, I worked with a human reader to access them. >>>>> >>>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>>>> Staff Attorney >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>>>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>>>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>>>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>>>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>>>> www.driowa.org >>>>> >>>>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>>>> Iowans with disabilities >>>>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>>>> >>>>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law >>>>> firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use >>>>> of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged >>>>> attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination >>>>> by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you >>>>> are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further >>>>> viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of >>>>> the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in >>>>> error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any >>>>> attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and >>>>> destroy any printouts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>> >>>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a >>>>> lot of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command >>>>> doesn't seem to work right, and the JAWS find command can only >>>>> search the page that is on the screen. >>>>> >>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor >>>>>> you get 'r' >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>> >>>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the >>>>>> past and has pulled sources. The production team and I are >>>>>> struggling to figure out an efficient process to do this with a >>>>>> screen reader. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as >>>>>> much of it independently as possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skama >>>>>> rakas >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso >>>>>> n%40g >>>>>> mail.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40dr >>>>> iowa.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yah >>> oo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40 >> gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo > .com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/deepa.goraya%40gmail.c om From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Fri Aug 19 16:11:56 2016 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 11:11:56 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0OC5005PBZO62N00@st11p00im-asmtp004.me.com> Hi Kelby, Congratulations on making Law Review! That’s a fantastic accomplishment! I personally do not recommend Adobe find and neither does FreedomScientific, because the feature behaves inconsistently when a screen reader is running. However, JAWS find should search the entire document if the entire PDF loads in the virtual cursor. This can be configured in the Accessibility Setup Assistant in Adobe Reader and Acrobat. By default, the relevant setting is set to read only the currently visible pages, which, if I remember correctly, is up to 50 pages. I recommend changing this setting to “read the entire document.” If you do this, you will notice that untagged documents take longer to load, but you should be able to search the entire document. If you decide to try my suggestion, please let me know if it works for you. Good luck! Best, Michal Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: kelby carlson via BlindLaw From BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com Fri Aug 19 17:24:00 2016 From: BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com (Brian Unitt) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 17:24:00 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Westlaw Drafting Assistant Message-ID: <4A95BD82E7BAD44D9AEB0A8A59AA5114080658BF@MBX030-E1-VA-6.exch030.domain.local> Does anyone have experience using the Westlaw Drafting Assistant tool with JAWS. I had a sales presentation on it yesterday, and it seemed like a really useful tool if it is accessable. My firm’s Lexis contract is about to expire, so I am considering my options as to whether to renew or go back to Westlaw. Any comments would be helpful Thanks, Brian Brian C. Unitt Holstein, Taylor and Unitt A Professional Corporation 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103 Riverside, CA 92501 Tel: 951-682-7030 Fax: 951-684-8061 www.holsteinlaw.com mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 9:12 AM To: kelby carlson via BlindLaw Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review Hi Kelby, Congratulations on making Law Review! That’s a fantastic accomplishment! I personally do not recommend Adobe find and neither does FreedomScientific, because the feature behaves inconsistently when a screen reader is running. However, JAWS find should search the entire document if the entire PDF loads in the virtual cursor. This can be configured in the Accessibility Setup Assistant in Adobe Reader and Acrobat. By default, the relevant setting is set to read only the currently visible pages, which, if I remember correctly, is up to 50 pages. I recommend changing this setting to “read the entire document.” If you do this, you will notice that untagged documents take longer to load, but you should be able to search the entire document. If you decide to try my suggestion, please let me know if it works for you. Good luck! Best, Michal Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: kelby carlson via BlindLaw _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/brianunitt%40holsteinlaw.com ________________________________ From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Aug 19 22:22:36 2016 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 22:22:36 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} FW: Attorney Vacancies Update - disability rights section Message-ID: From: U.S. Department of Justice [mailto:usdoj at public.govdelivery.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:17 PM Subject: Attorney Vacancies Update [U.S. Department of Justice] You are subscribed to Attorney Vacancies for U.S. Department of Justice. 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GovDelivery is providing this service on behalf of the Department of Justice 950 Pennsylvania Ave., NW * Washington, DC 20530 * 202-514-2000 and may not use your subscription information for any other purposes. Manage your Subscriptions | Department of Justice Privacy Policy | GovDelivery Privacy Policy From kgilbride22 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 20 07:08:16 2016 From: kgilbride22 at hotmail.com (Karla Gilbride) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 03:08:16 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: <016f01d1f9c7$709b5050$51d1f0f0$@gmail.com> References: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> <016f01d1f9c7$709b5050$51d1f0f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I can't speak about its value compared to Nuance, because I've never used Nuance, but Adobe Pro also converts pdf documents to Word and preserves much of the font and formatting information in the process, which I never found to be the case with OpenBook. It converts all but very long documents in a matter of a few seconds and also has a lot of functionality that I use at work, like combining multiple documents into a single pdf, deleting pages from pdfs, reducing the size of pdfs before sending them as e-mail attachments, etc. It's a pretty powerful program. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:12 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Deepa Goraya Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review Just curious, how is Adobe Pro? That converts PDFs to Word as well but don't know how good it is compared to Nuance. Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Fetter via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:25 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: James Fetter Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to identify tables and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it also does a fair job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It also is good for scanning, if you have to scan and send a properly formatted document, say, a signed contract, to a sighted person, and it allows for the conversion of pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file explorer (once installed, options appear under the applications menu to convert pdf as document to word, as spreadsheet to excel, etc). I think it's over $100, but I have found it useful for a variety of things. And, as for the pdf merging business, well, I hope that I can change that and a variety of other things next year. Out of curiosity, does your journal still have people physically mark up printed documents as part of the editing process? Mine does, and although I can obviously use the word version of the article instead, I have wondered how common that particular requirement is as well. On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds > very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well? > > On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes >> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review requires >> merging the pdf of the article or other source with the table of >> contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I found it, and >> I would highly recommend a product (not cheap but very good) called >> Nuance Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as a pdf-to-word >> converter as well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 1000. I have found >> that even some text PDF's do not interact very well with Jaws, hence >> the strategy of preemptive conversion. Congratulations on being on >> journal, and please feel free to reach out with any questions. >> >> >> >> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print >>> sources that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would >>> probably be easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word >>> with Kurzweil. >>> >>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that >>> would be nice. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain >>>> articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off >>>> of them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to >>>> be flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, >>>> students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL >>>> or to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to >>>> check longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for >>>> someone else taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a >>>> practice implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal >>>> is to come up with equitable yet flexible solutions. >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR >>>>> software when possible. If that did not render the document >>>>> accessible, I worked with a human reader to access them. >>>>> >>>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>>>> Staff Attorney >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>>>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>>>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>>>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>>>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>>>> www.driowa.org >>>>> >>>>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>>>> Iowans with disabilities >>>>> >>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>>>> >>>>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law >>>>> firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use >>>>> of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged >>>>> attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination >>>>> by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you >>>>> are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further >>>>> viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of >>>>> the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in >>>>> error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any >>>>> attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and >>>>> destroy any printouts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>> >>>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a >>>>> lot of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command >>>>> doesn't seem to work right, and the JAWS find command can only >>>>> search the page that is on the screen. >>>>> >>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor >>>>>> you get 'r' >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>> >>>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the >>>>>> past and has pulled sources. The production team and I are >>>>>> struggling to figure out an efficient process to do this with a >>>>>> screen reader. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as >>>>>> much of it independently as possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skama >>>>>> rakas >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso >>>>>> n%40g >>>>>> mail.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40dr >>>>> iowa.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yah >>> oo.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40 >> gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo > .com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/deepa.goraya%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail. com From mrallman116 at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 13:41:19 2016 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (Melissa Allman) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 08:41:19 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> <016f01d1f9c7$709b5050$51d1f0f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all. I also use Adobe Pro at work and think it is more efficient and less clunky than OpenBook, but this is just my opinion. I will say though that using the OCR feature and converting documents into Word can work very well if the documents are clean, but many times I need the assistance of a human reader or someone to edit the documents for accuracy if the scan wasn't good and the OCR came out messy. I can't take the risk of compromising a client's interests because a document has issues. This definitely presents challenges at times. TI would be interested in knowing more about this Nuance program if it is more powerful though. This discussion is also letting me know that there are some possibly useful features in Adobe Pro that I am not using, so thanks. BTW I don't know about others but I really hate Word tables and find Excel ones much easier to use. Congrats to all who made Law Review. I was on a journal when I was in law school (more than 10 years ago now so this makes me feel old) and it was a very stimulating experience. Melissa Allman Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2016, at 2:08 AM, Karla Gilbride via BlindLaw wrote: > > I can't speak about its value compared to Nuance, because I've never used > Nuance, but Adobe Pro also converts pdf documents to Word and preserves much > of the font and formatting information in the process, which I never found > to be the case with OpenBook. It converts all but very long documents in a > matter of a few seconds and also has a lot of functionality that I use at > work, like combining multiple documents into a single pdf, deleting pages > from pdfs, reducing the size of pdfs before sending them as e-mail > attachments, etc. It's a pretty powerful program. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deepa > Goraya via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:12 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Deepa Goraya > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review > > Just curious, how is Adobe Pro? That converts PDFs to Word as well but don't > know how good it is compared to Nuance. > > Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James > Fetter via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:25 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: James Fetter > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review > > Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to identify > tables and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it also does a fair > job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It also is good for scanning, > if you have to scan and send a properly formatted document, say, a signed > contract, to a sighted person, and it allows for the conversion of > pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file explorer (once installed, options > appear under the applications menu to convert pdf as document to word, as > spreadsheet to excel, etc). I think it's over $100, but I have found it > useful for a variety of things. And, as for the pdf merging business, well, > I hope that I can change that and a variety of other things next year. Out > of curiosity, does your journal still have people physically mark up printed > documents as part of the editing process? Mine does, and although I can > obviously use the word version of the article instead, I have wondered how > common that particular requirement is as well. > > > > > >> On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >> Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds >> very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well? >> >>> On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes >>> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review requires >>> merging the pdf of the article or other source with the table of >>> contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I found it, and >>> I would highly recommend a product (not cheap but very good) called >>> Nuance Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as a pdf-to-word >>> converter as well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 1000. I have found >>> that even some text PDF's do not interact very well with Jaws, hence >>> the strategy of preemptive conversion. Congratulations on being on >>> journal, and please feel free to reach out with any questions. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print >>>> sources that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would >>>> probably be easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word >>>> with > Kurzweil. >>>> >>>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that >>>> would be nice. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain >>>>> articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off >>>>> of them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to >>>>> be flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, >>>>> students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL >>>>> or to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to >>>>> check longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for >>>>> someone else taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a >>>>> practice implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal >>>>> is to come up with equitable yet flexible solutions. >>>>> >>>>> Laura >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR >>>>>> software when possible. If that did not render the document >>>>>> accessible, I worked with a human reader to access them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>>>>> Staff Attorney >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>>>>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>>>>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>>>>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>>>>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>>>>> www.driowa.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>>>>> Iowans with disabilities >>>>>> >>>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>>>>> >>>>>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law >>>>>> firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use >>>>>> of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged >>>>>> attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination >>>>>> by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you >>>>>> are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further >>>>>> viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of >>>>>> the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in >>>>>> error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any >>>>>> attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and >>>>>> destroy any printouts. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a >>>>>> lot of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command >>>>>> doesn't seem to work right, and the JAWS find command can only >>>>>> search the page that is on the screen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor >>>>>>> you get 'r' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the >>>>>>> past and has pulled sources. The production team and I are >>>>>>> struggling to figure out an efficient process to do this with a >>>>>>> screen reader. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as >>>>>>> much of it independently as possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skama >>>>>>> rakas >>>>>>> .com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso >>>>>>> n%40g >>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40dr >>>>>> iowa.org >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%4 >>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson% >>>>> 40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yah >>>> oo.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40 >>> gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo >> .com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/deepa.goraya%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 14:15:33 2016 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 10:15:33 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> <016f01d1f9c7$709b5050$51d1f0f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sounds like I might be one of the few who uses Kurzweil on this list. I rarely have trouble with OCR unless the scan is really, really bad. On 8/20/16, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi all. I also use Adobe Pro at work and think it is more efficient and > less clunky than OpenBook, but this is just my opinion. I will say though > that using the OCR feature and converting documents into Word can work very > well if the documents are clean, but many times I need the assistance of a > human reader or someone to edit the documents for accuracy if the scan > wasn't good and the OCR came out messy. I can't take the risk of > compromising a client's interests because a document has issues. This > definitely presents challenges at times. TI would be interested in knowing > more about this Nuance program if it is more powerful though. This > discussion is also letting me know that there are some possibly useful > features in Adobe Pro that I am not using, so thanks. BTW I don't know about > others but I really hate Word tables and find Excel ones much easier to > use. > > Congrats to all who made Law Review. I was on a journal when I was in law > school (more than 10 years ago now so this makes me feel old) and it was a > very stimulating experience. > > Melissa Allman > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 20, 2016, at 2:08 AM, Karla Gilbride via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> I can't speak about its value compared to Nuance, because I've never used >> Nuance, but Adobe Pro also converts pdf documents to Word and preserves >> much >> of the font and formatting information in the process, which I never >> found >> to be the case with OpenBook. It converts all but very long documents in >> a >> matter of a few seconds and also has a lot of functionality that I use at >> work, like combining multiple documents into a single pdf, deleting pages >> from pdfs, reducing the size of pdfs before sending them as e-mail >> attachments, etc. It's a pretty powerful program. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deepa >> Goraya via BlindLaw >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:12 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Deepa Goraya >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >> >> Just curious, how is Adobe Pro? That converts PDFs to Word as well but >> don't >> know how good it is compared to Nuance. >> >> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James >> Fetter via BlindLaw >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:25 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: James Fetter >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >> >> Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to identify >> tables and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it also does a >> fair >> job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It also is good for >> scanning, >> if you have to scan and send a properly formatted document, say, a signed >> contract, to a sighted person, and it allows for the conversion of >> pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file explorer (once installed, options >> appear under the applications menu to convert pdf as document to word, as >> spreadsheet to excel, etc). I think it's over $100, but I have found it >> useful for a variety of things. And, as for the pdf merging business, >> well, >> I hope that I can change that and a variety of other things next year. >> Out >> of curiosity, does your journal still have people physically mark up >> printed >> documents as part of the editing process? Mine does, and although I can >> obviously use the word version of the article instead, I have wondered >> how >> common that particular requirement is as well. >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds >>> very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well? >>> >>>> On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes >>>> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review requires >>>> merging the pdf of the article or other source with the table of >>>> contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I found it, and >>>> I would highly recommend a product (not cheap but very good) called >>>> Nuance Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as a pdf-to-word >>>> converter as well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 1000. I have found >>>> that even some text PDF's do not interact very well with Jaws, hence >>>> the strategy of preemptive conversion. Congratulations on being on >>>> journal, and please feel free to reach out with any questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print >>>>> sources that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would >>>>> probably be easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word >>>>> with >> Kurzweil. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that >>>>> would be nice. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain >>>>>> articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off >>>>>> of them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to >>>>>> be flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, >>>>>> students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL >>>>>> or to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to >>>>>> check longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for >>>>>> someone else taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a >>>>>> practice implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal >>>>>> is to come up with equitable yet flexible solutions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Laura >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR >>>>>>> software when possible. If that did not render the document >>>>>>> accessible, I worked with a human reader to access them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>>>>>> Staff Attorney >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>>>>>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>>>>>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>>>>>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>>>>>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>>>>>> www.driowa.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>>>>>> Iowans with disabilities >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law >>>>>>> firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use >>>>>>> of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged >>>>>>> attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination >>>>>>> by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you >>>>>>> are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further >>>>>>> viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of >>>>>>> the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in >>>>>>> error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any >>>>>>> attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and >>>>>>> destroy any printouts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:13 AM >>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not always the one pulling sources directly, and i'm having a >>>>>>> lot of trouble with certain PDFs. The regular ctrl-F command >>>>>>> doesn't seem to work right, and the JAWS find command can only >>>>>>> search the page that is on the screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor >>>>>>>> you get 'r' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the >>>>>>>> past and has pulled sources. The production team and I are >>>>>>>> struggling to figure out an efficient process to do this with a >>>>>>>> screen reader. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'd like to do as >>>>>>>> much of it independently as possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skama >>>>>>>> rakas >>>>>>>> .com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlso >>>>>>>> n%40g >>>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40dr >>>>>>> iowa.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%4 >>>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson% >>>>>> 40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yah >>>>> oo.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40 >>>> gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo >>> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/deepa.goraya%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail. >> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > From mrallman116 at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 16:16:16 2016 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (Melissa Allman) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:16:16 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review In-Reply-To: References: <0201ba36-4ee8-1a54-77f1-606f9e86a22a@yahoo.com> <2b696ad8-d1e0-5197-04da-340b4fd8ebfe@yahoo.com> <016f01d1f9c7$709b5050$51d1f0f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow you're lucky! But then I have to say I get a lot of documents from clients that arrive in various conditions, some not so great. The best are the crumpled ones with handwritten notes on them. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2016, at 9:15 AM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > Sounds like I might be one of the few who uses Kurzweil on this list. > I rarely have trouble with OCR unless the scan is really, really bad. > >> On 8/20/16, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hi all. I also use Adobe Pro at work and think it is more efficient and >> less clunky than OpenBook, but this is just my opinion. I will say though >> that using the OCR feature and converting documents into Word can work very >> well if the documents are clean, but many times I need the assistance of a >> human reader or someone to edit the documents for accuracy if the scan >> wasn't good and the OCR came out messy. I can't take the risk of >> compromising a client's interests because a document has issues. This >> definitely presents challenges at times. TI would be interested in knowing >> more about this Nuance program if it is more powerful though. This >> discussion is also letting me know that there are some possibly useful >> features in Adobe Pro that I am not using, so thanks. BTW I don't know about >> others but I really hate Word tables and find Excel ones much easier to >> use. >> >> Congrats to all who made Law Review. I was on a journal when I was in law >> school (more than 10 years ago now so this makes me feel old) and it was a >> very stimulating experience. >> >> Melissa Allman >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Aug 20, 2016, at 2:08 AM, Karla Gilbride via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> I can't speak about its value compared to Nuance, because I've never used >>> Nuance, but Adobe Pro also converts pdf documents to Word and preserves >>> much >>> of the font and formatting information in the process, which I never >>> found >>> to be the case with OpenBook. It converts all but very long documents in >>> a >>> matter of a few seconds and also has a lot of functionality that I use at >>> work, like combining multiple documents into a single pdf, deleting pages >>> from pdfs, reducing the size of pdfs before sending them as e-mail >>> attachments, etc. It's a pretty powerful program. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deepa >>> Goraya via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:12 PM >>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >>> Cc: Deepa Goraya >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>> >>> Just curious, how is Adobe Pro? That converts PDFs to Word as well but >>> don't >>> know how good it is compared to Nuance. >>> >>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James >>> Fetter via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 3:25 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: James Fetter >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>> >>> Yes, and it does a very good job. It sometimes even manages to identify >>> tables and structure them as such in the Word doc, and it also does a >>> fair >>> job of picking up on fonts, including italics. It also is good for >>> scanning, >>> if you have to scan and send a properly formatted document, say, a signed >>> contract, to a sighted person, and it allows for the conversion of >>> pdf-to-word (including OCR) from file explorer (once installed, options >>> appear under the applications menu to convert pdf as document to word, as >>> spreadsheet to excel, etc). I think it's over $100, but I have found it >>> useful for a variety of things. And, as for the pdf merging business, >>> well, >>> I hope that I can change that and a variety of other things next year. >>> Out >>> of curiosity, does your journal still have people physically mark up >>> printed >>> documents as part of the editing process? Mine does, and although I can >>> obviously use the word version of the article instead, I have wondered >>> how >>> common that particular requirement is as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 8/18/2016 3:14 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> Interesting; that is not a requirement on my journal and it sounds >>>> very laborious. Does that software do OCR on PDFs as well? >>>> >>>>> On 8/18/16, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> For what it's worth, I always convert PDF's to Word first; it makes >>>>> navigation and copy/paste considerably easier. My law review requires >>>>> merging the pdf of the article or other source with the table of >>>>> contents for the volume/issue of the journal in which I found it, and >>>>> I would highly recommend a product (not cheap but very good) called >>>>> Nuance Power PDF Advanced. It works very well as a pdf-to-word >>>>> converter as well, sometimes better than Kurzweil 1000. I have found >>>>> that even some text PDF's do not interact very well with Jaws, hence >>>>> the strategy of preemptive conversion. Congratulations on being on >>>>> journal, and please feel free to reach out with any questions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/18/2016 12:50 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> My team has already said they will just avoid giving me print >>>>>> sources that haven't already been scanned. I've told them it would >>>>>> probably be easiest for me to convert problematic PDFs into Word >>>>>> with >>> Kurzweil. >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone has suggestions about using the find feature in Adobe that >>>>>> would be nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/18/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>> I second everything Tai said. Except for the caveat that if certain >>>>>>> articles were very print source heavy, I simply just switched off >>>>>>> of them onto other articles. My law review team was very willing to >>>>>>> be flexible with me in that way, as they would with, for instance, >>>>>>> students who were studying abroad and so did not have access to ILL >>>>>>> or to our print library. Alternatively, sometimes I would offer to >>>>>>> check longer ranges of footnotes on articles in exchange for >>>>>>> someone else taking on my print sources. Again, this was also a >>>>>>> practice implemented for students studying abroad. I think the goal >>>>>>> is to come up with equitable yet flexible solutions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/18/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>>> I ran inaccessible PDFs through ABYY FineReader or similar OCR >>>>>>>> software when possible. 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The regular ctrl-F command >>>>>>>> doesn't seem to work right, and the JAWS find command can only >>>>>>>> search the page that is on the screen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, how exactly did you deal with print sources? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 8/18/16, jim--- via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>>>> I made journal this year myself, and would appreciate any infor >>>>>>>>> you get 'r' >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 12:03 PM >>>>>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> Cc: kelby carlson >>>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Pulling for Law Review >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am wondering if anyone on here has been on law review in the >>>>>>>>> past and has pulled sources. The production team and I are >>>>>>>>> struggling to figure out an efficient process to do this with a >>>>>>>>> screen reader. 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Aug 2016 19:13:06 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: WA State Attorney General's Office - Policy Analyst Open Position In-Reply-To: <2CB4EA053BC82642942DC3C889F9DCAE2126011C@WAXMXOLYMB020.WAX.wa.lcl> References: <2CB4EA053BC82642942DC3C889F9DCAE2126011C@WAXMXOLYMB020.WAX.wa.lcl> Message-ID: From: Tobin, Letrice (ATG) [mailto:LetriceA at ATG.WA.GOV] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:35 AM Subject: WA State Attorney General's Office - Policy Analyst Open Position Good morning, The WA State Attorney General's Office is recruiting for a Policy Analyst in our Administration Division. 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From david.b.andrews at state.mn.us Wed Aug 24 20:18:18 2016 From: david.b.andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews, David B (DEED)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 20:18:18 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: WA State Attorney General's Office - Policy Analyst Open Position In-Reply-To: References: <2CB4EA053BC82642942DC3C889F9DCAE2126011C@WAXMXOLYMB020.WAX.wa.lcl> Message-ID: <2CBA05A7F34B34439FA5DDAC7DF99E4A20543478@055-CH1MPN1-002.055d.mgd.msft.net> From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel via Jobs Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 2:13 PM To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org; jobs at nfbnet.org; blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Nightingale, Noel Subject: [Jobs] FW: WA State Attorney General's Office - Policy Analyst Open Position From: Tobin, Letrice (ATG) [mailto:LetriceA at ATG.WA.GOV] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:35 AM Subject: WA State Attorney General's Office - Policy Analyst Open Position Good morning, The WA State Attorney General's Office is recruiting for a Policy Analyst in our Administration Division. This position will be housed in either Seattle or Olympia. Recruitment closes 9/7/2016. Please post this to your bar association job boards. Thank you, Letrice Tobin Human Resources Consultant Attorney General of Washington Seattle, 20th Floor (206) 587-5613 Letrice.Tobin at atg.wa.gov ~ Print Only If Necessary ~ _________________ The AGO respects and encourages diversity in the work force and is an equal opportunity employer and does not discriminate on the basis of race, creed, color, national origin, sex, marital status, sexual orientation, gender identity diversity, age, honorably discharged veteran, veteran status, or the presence of any sensory, mental or physical disability or the use of a trained dog guide or service animal by a person with a disability. Persons requiring reasonable accommodation in the application process or requiring any information in an alternative format may contact Tracy Robinson at 360-586-7693 or Washington Relay Service at 1-800-676-3777 or www.washingtonrelay.com. -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/david.b.andrews%40state.mn.us From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 05:42:59 2016 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 22:42:59 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following challenges: A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the following 2 problems: 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they contain; 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to access specific bits of information such as the date on which a certain event happened, the para number of the submission of the other party, the precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though I use Fine Reader 11 and have tried using applications like RoboBraille to obtain better conversion results, the final Word Document often does not convey such information accurately. For instance, if I have to draft a para-wise reply to the other party's written submission, I need to know the precise para number in which they have set forth a specific assertion. I am unable to do so at this juncture. B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion process from PDF to Word. Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling with these challenges. Best, Rahul From pattischang at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 11:57:22 2016 From: pattischang at gmail.com (Gregory Chang Patti) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 06:57:22 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. I matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know that I can respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The majority have had no problem doing so. "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." Patti Gregory Chang National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer NFB Scholarship Committee Chair pattischang at gmail.com NFB of IL: www.nfbofillinois.org NFB: www.nfb.org On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: Hi Everyone, I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following challenges: A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the following 2 problems: 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they contain; 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to access specific bits of information such as the date on which a certain event happened, the para number of the submission of the other party, the precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though I use Fine Reader 11 and have tried using applications like RoboBraille to obtain better conversion results, the final Word Document often does not convey such information accurately. For instance, if I have to draft a para-wise reply to the other party's written submission, I need to know the precise para number in which they have set forth a specific assertion. I am unable to do so at this juncture. B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion process from PDF to Word. Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling with these challenges. Best, Rahul _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gmail.com From jmccarthy at mdtap.org Fri Aug 26 13:00:42 2016 From: jmccarthy at mdtap.org (Jim McCarthy) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:00:42 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> References: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> Message-ID: <010401d1ff99$da92ada0$8fb808e0$@mdtap.org> First, Pattie is right that one always can ask for an accessible version. I think that may time some explanation regarding how to create an accessible document, but it is a good option. It is possible in word to create tables of contents, tables of authority, and the like that have links to take the user to the page reference. PDF documents probably can be done the same way. What I do not know is the likelihood that such a table of contents would carry over when using Fine Reader to OCR/convert the PDF. I would guess the answer to that is no. One can use the go to function and select page and type in the page number. What I do not know about this is whether the page number that would be accessed would correspond to the original. In the conversion, word may paginate differently from the original PDF you are converting. Hopefully, I have not told you things you already know. I think also that there are participants on this list who are likely to have tips and tricks for this issue, though probably not perfect ones. That gets back to Pattie's suggestion. Best Jim McCarthy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Chang Patti via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:57 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gregory Chang Patti Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. I matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know that I can respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The majority have had no problem doing so. "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." Patti Gregory Chang National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer NFB Scholarship Committee Chair pattischang at gmail.com NFB of IL: www.nfbofillinois.org NFB: www.nfb.org On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: Hi Everyone, I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following challenges: A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the following 2 problems: 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they contain; 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to access specific bits of information such as the date on which a certain event happened, the para number of the submission of the other party, the precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though I use Fine Reader 11 and have tried using applications like RoboBraille to obtain better conversion results, the final Word Document often does not convey such information accurately. For instance, if I have to draft a para-wise reply to the other party's written submission, I need to know the precise para number in which they have set forth a specific assertion. I am unable to do so at this juncture. B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion process from PDF to Word. Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling with these challenges. Best, Rahul _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jmccarthy%40mdtap.org From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 13:13:00 2016 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 06:13:00 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> References: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Patti, Thank you for your helpful response. I am assuming that by accessible copies you mean accessible PDFs. Are you able to work with large PDF documents without much difficulty? More specifically, are you able to use the find command in Adobe Reader in an efficient fashion, considering that it does not work well with JAWS? Further, it is also very difficult to copy text from a PDF document, so that is why I generally prefer using Word documents. Finally, have you configured Adobe Reader to read the entire document in a consolidated fashion, or do you instead use the single-page view option? Your responses to these 3 questions will be incredibly useful. Thank you. Best, Rahul On 26/08/2016, Gregory Chang Patti wrote: > I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. I > matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know that I can > respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The majority have had no > problem doing so. > > > "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National > Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." > > Patti Gregory Chang > National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer > NFB Scholarship Committee Chair > pattischang at gmail.com > NFB of IL: www.nfbofillinois.org > NFB: www.nfb.org > > On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. > I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible > strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following > challenges: > A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft > any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of > inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents > into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the > output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the > following 2 problems: > 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts > which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they > contain; > 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to access > specific bits of information such as the date on which a certain event > happened, the para number of the submission of the other party, the > precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though I use Fine > Reader 11 and have tried using applications like RoboBraille to obtain > better conversion results, the final Word Document often does not > convey such information accurately. For instance, if I have to draft a > para-wise reply to the other party's written submission, I need to > know the precise para number in which they have set forth a specific > assertion. I am unable to do so at this juncture. > B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain > document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For > instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may > have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious > fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which > various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a > certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the > sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion > process from PDF to Word. > > Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling > with these challenges. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gmail.com > > From pattischang at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 13:48:47 2016 From: pattischang at gmail.com (pattischang at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:48:47 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: References: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C8AFD4C-7899-4BAA-859A-99660DDBB72F@gmail.com> And general my opposing counsel have sent me documents in MS Word. Therefore, I am probably not the most expert with PDF documents. Live the life you want. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National Federation of the Blind. Patti S. Gregory-Chang NFBI Treasurer NFB Scholarship Comm. Chair Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Hi Patti, Thank you for your helpful response. I am assuming that by accessible copies you mean accessible PDFs. Are you able to work with large PDF documents without much difficulty? More specifically, are you able to use the find command in Adobe Reader in an efficient fashion, considering that it does not work well with JAWS? Further, it is also very difficult to copy text from a PDF document, so that is why I generally prefer using Word documents. Finally, have you configured Adobe Reader to read the entire document in a consolidated fashion, or do you instead use the single-page view option? Your responses to these 3 questions will be incredibly useful. Thank you. Best, Rahul > On 26/08/2016, Gregory Chang Patti wrote: > I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. I > matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know that I can > respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The majority have had no > problem doing so. > > > "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National > Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." > > Patti Gregory Chang > National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer > NFB Scholarship Committee Chair > pattischang at gmail.com > NFB of IL: www.nfbofillinois.org > NFB: www.nfb.org > > On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. > I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible > strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following > challenges: > A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft > any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of > inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents > into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the > output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the > following 2 problems: > 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts > which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they > contain; > 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to access > specific bits of information such as the date on which a certain event > happened, the para number of the submission of the other party, the > precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though I use Fine > Reader 11 and have tried using applications like RoboBraille to obtain > better conversion results, the final Word Document often does not > convey such information accurately. For instance, if I have to draft a > para-wise reply to the other party's written submission, I need to > know the precise para number in which they have set forth a specific > assertion. I am unable to do so at this juncture. > B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain > document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For > instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may > have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious > fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which > various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a > certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the > sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion > process from PDF to Word. > > Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling > with these challenges. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gmail.com > > From kgilbride22 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 26 15:55:26 2016 From: kgilbride22 at hotmail.com (Karla Gilbride) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:55:26 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: References: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rahul, When I work with pdfs, I use the JAWS find command ((insert+control+f) and it works much better than the regular find command in Adobe. Hope this helps. Karla -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:13 AM To: Gregory Chang Patti Cc: Rahul Bajaj; Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents Hi Patti, Thank you for your helpful response. I am assuming that by accessible copies you mean accessible PDFs. Are you able to work with large PDF documents without much difficulty? More specifically, are you able to use the find command in Adobe Reader in an efficient fashion, considering that it does not work well with JAWS? Further, it is also very difficult to copy text from a PDF document, so that is why I generally prefer using Word documents. Finally, have you configured Adobe Reader to read the entire document in a consolidated fashion, or do you instead use the single-page view option? Your responses to these 3 questions will be incredibly useful. Thank you. Best, Rahul On 26/08/2016, Gregory Chang Patti wrote: > I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. > I matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know > that I can respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The > majority have had no problem doing so. > > > "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National > Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." > > Patti Gregory Chang > National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer NFB > Scholarship Committee Chair pattischang at gmail.com NFB of IL: > www.nfbofillinois.org > NFB: www.nfb.org > > On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. > I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible > strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following > challenges: > A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft > any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of > inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents > into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the > output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the > following 2 problems: > 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts > which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they > contain; 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to > access specific bits of information such as the date on which a > certain event happened, the para number of the submission of the other > party, the precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though > I use Fine Reader 11 and have tried using applications like > RoboBraille to obtain better conversion results, the final Word > Document often does not convey such information accurately. For > instance, if I have to draft a para-wise reply to the other party's > written submission, I need to know the precise para number in which > they have set forth a specific assertion. I am unable to do so at this > juncture. > B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain > document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For > instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may > have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious > fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which > various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a > certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the > sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion > process from PDF to Word. > > Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling > with these challenges. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail. com From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 17:33:28 2016 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sybren Hoekstra) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 13:33:28 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: References: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree. Much more effective to use the jaws find command. Ditto for searching ms word docs. It sounds like you are working with an entire record of a case or many exchanges between parties condensed into one massive pdf. That sucks. I have had to deal with records from administrative agencies presented that way. The only way i have used to get around them efficiently is to use bookmarks after doing ocr conversion. But that is in kurzweil 1000. I think you can create bookmarks in ms word as well. If you are at a firm though where you dont yet have the clout to influence how documents are sent by opposing counsel, the only real answer for some problems will be sighted assistance. Make friends with paralegals. Thats my advice. Also, make sure to learn as much as possible about how you can alter the settings of your ocr engine to get better results. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:55, Karla Gilbride via BlindLaw wrote: > > Rahul, > > When I work with pdfs, I use the JAWS find command ((insert+control+f) and > it works much better than the regular find command in Adobe. Hope this > helps. > > Karla > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj > via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:13 AM > To: Gregory Chang Patti > Cc: Rahul Bajaj; Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents > > Hi Patti, > > Thank you for your helpful response. > I am assuming that by accessible copies you mean accessible PDFs. Are you > able to work with large PDF documents without much difficulty? > More specifically, are you able to use the find command in Adobe Reader in > an efficient fashion, considering that it does not work well with JAWS? > Further, it is also very difficult to copy text from a PDF document, so that > is why I generally prefer using Word documents. > Finally, have you configured Adobe Reader to read the entire document in a > consolidated fashion, or do you instead use the single-page view option? > Your responses to these 3 questions will be incredibly useful. Thank you. > > Best, > Rahul > >> On 26/08/2016, Gregory Chang Patti wrote: >> I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. >> I matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know >> that I can respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The >> majority have had no problem doing so. >> >> >> "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National >> Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." >> >> Patti Gregory Chang >> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer NFB >> Scholarship Committee Chair pattischang at gmail.com NFB of IL: >> www.nfbofillinois.org >> NFB: www.nfb.org >> >> On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I hope this message finds you well. >> I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible >> strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following >> challenges: >> A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft >> any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of >> inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents >> into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the >> output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the >> following 2 problems: >> 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts >> which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they >> contain; 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to >> access specific bits of information such as the date on which a >> certain event happened, the para number of the submission of the other >> party, the precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though >> I use Fine Reader 11 and have tried using applications like >> RoboBraille to obtain better conversion results, the final Word >> Document often does not convey such information accurately. For >> instance, if I have to draft a para-wise reply to the other party's >> written submission, I need to know the precise para number in which >> they have set forth a specific assertion. I am unable to do so at this >> juncture. >> B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain >> document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For >> instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may >> have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious >> fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which >> various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a >> certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the >> sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion >> process from PDF to Word. >> >> Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling >> with these challenges. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gm >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 18:09:19 2016 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:09:19 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: References: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rahul, You can go to a specific page in word by using control+g. You can also use the arrows to change the option from page to footnote, endnote, and a variety of other things. I am also in the process of figuring out my own system. I know everyone is different, but FWIW here's my navigation system. First, I like using Kurzweil because it follows the same pagination as the original pdf, which hasn't always been my experience with word. I have found that Kurzweil does a relatively decent job of preserving, say, instances where four depo pages are scanned onto one page in four separate blocks. To navigate, when I am going through the document, I make my own table of contents listing the actual page in the document where different material falls, as opposed to the page number of the filing. To give an example, let's say the document has 25 pages of intro material, certificates, etc. So page 1 of the actual substantive document is page 27 of the pdf or kurzweil file. I will create a separate table of contents that will serve as my own reference so I can more easily jump to the page I want. If working in word, you could do something similar by hitting F6 when you are on the material you want to flag for later. I fear this is very convoluted and not very well-explained. but it works for me and has allowed me to increase my speed of navigation through large documents. Laura On 8/26/16, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: > I agree. Much more effective to use the jaws find command. Ditto for > searching ms word docs. > > It sounds like you are working with an entire record of a case or many > exchanges between parties condensed into one massive pdf. That sucks. I have > had to deal with records from administrative agencies presented that way. > The only way i have used to get around them efficiently is to use bookmarks > after doing ocr conversion. But that is in kurzweil 1000. I think you can > create bookmarks in ms word as well. > > If you are at a firm though where you dont yet have the clout to influence > how documents are sent by opposing counsel, the only real answer for some > problems will be sighted assistance. Make friends with paralegals. Thats my > advice. Also, make sure to learn as much as possible about how you can > alter the settings of your ocr engine to get better results. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:55, Karla Gilbride via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Rahul, >> >> When I work with pdfs, I use the JAWS find command ((insert+control+f) >> and >> it works much better than the regular find command in Adobe. Hope this >> helps. >> >> Karla >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul >> Bajaj >> via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:13 AM >> To: Gregory Chang Patti >> Cc: Rahul Bajaj; Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents >> >> Hi Patti, >> >> Thank you for your helpful response. >> I am assuming that by accessible copies you mean accessible PDFs. Are you >> able to work with large PDF documents without much difficulty? >> More specifically, are you able to use the find command in Adobe Reader >> in >> an efficient fashion, considering that it does not work well with JAWS? >> Further, it is also very difficult to copy text from a PDF document, so >> that >> is why I generally prefer using Word documents. >> Finally, have you configured Adobe Reader to read the entire document in >> a >> consolidated fashion, or do you instead use the single-page view option? >> Your responses to these 3 questions will be incredibly useful. Thank you. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >>> On 26/08/2016, Gregory Chang Patti wrote: >>> I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. >>> I matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know >>> that I can respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The >>> majority have had no problem doing so. >>> >>> >>> "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National >>> Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." >>> >>> Patti Gregory Chang >>> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer NFB >>> Scholarship Committee Chair pattischang at gmail.com NFB of IL: >>> www.nfbofillinois.org >>> NFB: www.nfb.org >>> >>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I hope this message finds you well. >>> I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible >>> strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following >>> challenges: >>> A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft >>> any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of >>> inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents >>> into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the >>> output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the >>> following 2 problems: >>> 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts >>> which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they >>> contain; 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to >>> access specific bits of information such as the date on which a >>> certain event happened, the para number of the submission of the other >>> party, the precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though >>> I use Fine Reader 11 and have tried using applications like >>> RoboBraille to obtain better conversion results, the final Word >>> Document often does not convey such information accurately. For >>> instance, if I have to draft a para-wise reply to the other party's >>> written submission, I need to know the precise para number in which >>> they have set forth a specific assertion. I am unable to do so at this >>> juncture. >>> B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain >>> document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For >>> instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may >>> have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious >>> fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which >>> various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a >>> certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the >>> sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion >>> process from PDF to Word. >>> >>> Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling >>> with these challenges. >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail. >> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com > From jmccarthy at mdtap.org Fri Aug 26 19:47:05 2016 From: jmccarthy at mdtap.org (Jim McCarthy) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:47:05 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: References: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> Message-ID: <015701d1ffd2$a0128b80$e037a280$@mdtap.org> Karla, Thanks as I hate the find/search feature in adobe. I guess it is a simple solution and I feel a bit stupid for not thinking of it, but now I know. Jim McCarthy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karla Gilbride via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:55 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Karla Gilbride Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents Rahul, When I work with pdfs, I use the JAWS find command ((insert+control+f) and it works much better than the regular find command in Adobe. Hope this helps. Karla -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:13 AM To: Gregory Chang Patti Cc: Rahul Bajaj; Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents Hi Patti, Thank you for your helpful response. I am assuming that by accessible copies you mean accessible PDFs. Are you able to work with large PDF documents without much difficulty? More specifically, are you able to use the find command in Adobe Reader in an efficient fashion, considering that it does not work well with JAWS? Further, it is also very difficult to copy text from a PDF document, so that is why I generally prefer using Word documents. Finally, have you configured Adobe Reader to read the entire document in a consolidated fashion, or do you instead use the single-page view option? Your responses to these 3 questions will be incredibly useful. Thank you. Best, Rahul On 26/08/2016, Gregory Chang Patti wrote: > I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. > I matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know > that I can respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The > majority have had no problem doing so. > > > "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National > Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." > > Patti Gregory Chang > National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer NFB > Scholarship Committee Chair pattischang at gmail.com NFB of IL: > www.nfbofillinois.org > NFB: www.nfb.org > > On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. > I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible > strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following > challenges: > A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft > any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of > inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents > into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the > output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the > following 2 problems: > 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts > which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they > contain; 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to > access specific bits of information such as the date on which a > certain event happened, the para number of the submission of the other > party, the precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though > I use Fine Reader 11 and have tried using applications like > RoboBraille to obtain better conversion results, the final Word > Document often does not convey such information accurately. For > instance, if I have to draft a para-wise reply to the other party's > written submission, I need to know the precise para number in which > they have set forth a specific assertion. I am unable to do so at this > juncture. > B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain > document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For > instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may > have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious > fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which > various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a > certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the > sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion > process from PDF to Word. > > Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling > with these challenges. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail. com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jmccarthy%40mdtap.org From mrallman116 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 05:13:56 2016 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (Melissa Allman) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 00:13:56 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: References: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60612CA8-5AB7-4383-9EC2-011BA2B61F50@gmail.com> I've been following this discussion and would really appreciate some tips on how to configure the settings of my OCR engine to get the best results. I use Adobe Pro. Also, I like the suggestion of making friends with paralegals but we actually don't have any in the legal clinic where I work so I rely on student volunteers for accommodations and I might be able to cut down on my need for them if OCR conversions were cleaner more often. Many times I rely on these volunteers to clean up the documents so they are more accurate. Don't get me started on the documents with handwriting on them ... I know there's not much to be done about that. Anyway, tips on optimizing the accuracy of the Adobe Pro OCR engine would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Melissa Sent from my iPad > On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: > > I agree. Much more effective to use the jaws find command. Ditto for searching ms word docs. > > It sounds like you are working with an entire record of a case or many exchanges between parties condensed into one massive pdf. That sucks. I have had to deal with records from administrative agencies presented that way. The only way i have used to get around them efficiently is to use bookmarks after doing ocr conversion. But that is in kurzweil 1000. I think you can create bookmarks in ms word as well. > > If you are at a firm though where you dont yet have the clout to influence how documents are sent by opposing counsel, the only real answer for some problems will be sighted assistance. Make friends with paralegals. Thats my advice. Also, make sure to learn as much as possible about how you can alter the settings of your ocr engine to get better results. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:55, Karla Gilbride via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Rahul, >> >> When I work with pdfs, I use the JAWS find command ((insert+control+f) and >> it works much better than the regular find command in Adobe. Hope this >> helps. >> >> Karla >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >> via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:13 AM >> To: Gregory Chang Patti >> Cc: Rahul Bajaj; Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents >> >> Hi Patti, >> >> Thank you for your helpful response. >> I am assuming that by accessible copies you mean accessible PDFs. Are you >> able to work with large PDF documents without much difficulty? >> More specifically, are you able to use the find command in Adobe Reader in >> an efficient fashion, considering that it does not work well with JAWS? >> Further, it is also very difficult to copy text from a PDF document, so that >> is why I generally prefer using Word documents. >> Finally, have you configured Adobe Reader to read the entire document in a >> consolidated fashion, or do you instead use the single-page view option? >> Your responses to these 3 questions will be incredibly useful. Thank you. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >>> On 26/08/2016, Gregory Chang Patti wrote: >>> I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. >>> I matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know >>> that I can respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The >>> majority have had no problem doing so. >>> >>> >>> "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National >>> Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." >>> >>> Patti Gregory Chang >>> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer NFB >>> Scholarship Committee Chair pattischang at gmail.com NFB of IL: >>> www.nfbofillinois.org >>> NFB: www.nfb.org >>> >>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I hope this message finds you well. >>> I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible >>> strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following >>> challenges: >>> A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft >>> any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of >>> inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents >>> into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the >>> output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the >>> following 2 problems: >>> 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts >>> which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they >>> contain; 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to >>> access specific bits of information such as the date on which a >>> certain event happened, the para number of the submission of the other >>> party, the precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though >>> I use Fine Reader 11 and have tried using applications like >>> RoboBraille to obtain better conversion results, the final Word >>> Document often does not convey such information accurately. For >>> instance, if I have to draft a para-wise reply to the other party's >>> written submission, I need to know the precise para number in which >>> they have set forth a specific assertion. I am unable to do so at this >>> juncture. >>> B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain >>> document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For >>> instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may >>> have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious >>> fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which >>> various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a >>> certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the >>> sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion >>> process from PDF to Word. >>> >>> Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling >>> with these challenges. >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail. >> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 06:27:56 2016 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 11:57:56 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: <60612CA8-5AB7-4383-9EC2-011BA2B61F50@gmail.com> References: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> <60612CA8-5AB7-4383-9EC2-011BA2B61F50@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C34C21-63AD-4AD7-87DE-A8A5A3BB9724@gmail.com> Hi All, I think these are excellent suggestions; thanks for all the ideas. I particularly like Laura's idea of preparing one's own table of contents. A large majority of the documents that comprise such case files are not really relevant, and since it is much harder for a blind person to skim through a large file expeditiously than it is for a sighted person, such a resource could be invaluable. Even a simple notepad file would suffice. This can be combined with Sy's idea of bookmarking relevant pages in order to get to them quickly. I will also try using Kurzweil instead of FineReader. To give you some context, I am required to read these documents broadly for two purposes: First, for drafting written submissions and, second, for preparing a summary of pertinent events/list of dates and the like. While the former is much easier to do, inasmuch as I am given ample time to craft submissions, the turnaround time for the latter is often very short which makes such assignments quite challenging. While I do use the JAWS find command in Adobe Reader, I often find that JAWS does not work very well with the continuous view option in accordance with which the entire PDF appears as one consolidated file. Therefore, I use single page view at this juncture. So I would be curious to know what others have to say about reading large PDF files and finding required information in an efficient and robust way. Finally, while the firm for which I work is possessed of adequate financial resources to provide me the support that I need, as Sy says, I do not have the clout to demand accessible documents from the other side or to use sighted readers extensively at this juncture. Thanks again for all the help. Best, Rahul Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw wrote: > > I've been following this discussion and would really appreciate some tips on how to configure the settings of my OCR engine to get the best results. I use Adobe Pro. Also, I like the suggestion of making friends with paralegals but we actually don't have any in the legal clinic where I work so I rely on student volunteers for accommodations and I might be able to cut down on my need for them if OCR conversions were cleaner more often. Many times I rely on these volunteers to clean up the documents so they are more accurate. Don't get me started on the documents with handwriting on them ... I know there's not much to be done about that. Anyway, tips on optimizing the accuracy of the Adobe Pro OCR engine would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks. > > Melissa > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> I agree. Much more effective to use the jaws find command. Ditto for searching ms word docs. >> >> It sounds like you are working with an entire record of a case or many exchanges between parties condensed into one massive pdf. That sucks. I have had to deal with records from administrative agencies presented that way. The only way i have used to get around them efficiently is to use bookmarks after doing ocr conversion. But that is in kurzweil 1000. I think you can create bookmarks in ms word as well. >> >> If you are at a firm though where you dont yet have the clout to influence how documents are sent by opposing counsel, the only real answer for some problems will be sighted assistance. Make friends with paralegals. Thats my advice. Also, make sure to learn as much as possible about how you can alter the settings of your ocr engine to get better results. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:55, Karla Gilbride via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Rahul, >>> >>> When I work with pdfs, I use the JAWS find command ((insert+control+f) and >>> it works much better than the regular find command in Adobe. Hope this >>> helps. >>> >>> Karla >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >>> via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:13 AM >>> To: Gregory Chang Patti >>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj; Blind Law Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents >>> >>> Hi Patti, >>> >>> Thank you for your helpful response. >>> I am assuming that by accessible copies you mean accessible PDFs. Are you >>> able to work with large PDF documents without much difficulty? >>> More specifically, are you able to use the find command in Adobe Reader in >>> an efficient fashion, considering that it does not work well with JAWS? >>> Further, it is also very difficult to copy text from a PDF document, so that >>> is why I generally prefer using Word documents. >>> Finally, have you configured Adobe Reader to read the entire document in a >>> consolidated fashion, or do you instead use the single-page view option? >>> Your responses to these 3 questions will be incredibly useful. Thank you. >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>>> On 26/08/2016, Gregory Chang Patti wrote: >>>> I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. >>>> I matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know >>>> that I can respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The >>>> majority have had no problem doing so. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National >>>> Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." >>>> >>>> Patti Gregory Chang >>>> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer NFB >>>> Scholarship Committee Chair pattischang at gmail.com NFB of IL: >>>> www.nfbofillinois.org >>>> NFB: www.nfb.org >>>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> I hope this message finds you well. >>>> I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible >>>> strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following >>>> challenges: >>>> A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft >>>> any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of >>>> inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents >>>> into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the >>>> output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the >>>> following 2 problems: >>>> 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts >>>> which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they >>>> contain; 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to >>>> access specific bits of information such as the date on which a >>>> certain event happened, the para number of the submission of the other >>>> party, the precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though >>>> I use Fine Reader 11 and have tried using applications like >>>> RoboBraille to obtain better conversion results, the final Word >>>> Document often does not convey such information accurately. For >>>> instance, if I have to draft a para-wise reply to the other party's >>>> written submission, I need to know the precise para number in which >>>> they have set forth a specific assertion. I am unable to do so at this >>>> juncture. >>>> B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain >>>> document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For >>>> instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may >>>> have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious >>>> fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which >>>> various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a >>>> certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the >>>> sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion >>>> process from PDF to Word. >>>> >>>> Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling >>>> with these challenges. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Rahul >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail. >>> com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 18:28:08 2016 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sy Hoekstra) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 14:28:08 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: <60612CA8-5AB7-4383-9EC2-011BA2B61F50@gmail.com> References: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> <60612CA8-5AB7-4383-9EC2-011BA2B61F50@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007e01d20090$c2c2e990$4848bcb0$@gmail.com> I actually don't know how to do it outside of Kurzweil 1000. That program has a lot of settings you can fiddle with when scanning a difficult document. I have never used Adobi Pro. Sorry! -----Original Message----- From: Melissa Allman [mailto:mrallman116 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 1:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sybren Hoekstra Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents I've been following this discussion and would really appreciate some tips on how to configure the settings of my OCR engine to get the best results. I use Adobe Pro. Also, I like the suggestion of making friends with paralegals but we actually don't have any in the legal clinic where I work so I rely on student volunteers for accommodations and I might be able to cut down on my need for them if OCR conversions were cleaner more often. Many times I rely on these volunteers to clean up the documents so they are more accurate. Don't get me started on the documents with handwriting on them ... I know there's not much to be done about that. Anyway, tips on optimizing the accuracy of the Adobe Pro OCR engine would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Melissa Sent from my iPad > On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: > > I agree. Much more effective to use the jaws find command. Ditto for searching ms word docs. > > It sounds like you are working with an entire record of a case or many exchanges between parties condensed into one massive pdf. That sucks. I have had to deal with records from administrative agencies presented that way. The only way i have used to get around them efficiently is to use bookmarks after doing ocr conversion. But that is in kurzweil 1000. I think you can create bookmarks in ms word as well. > > If you are at a firm though where you dont yet have the clout to influence how documents are sent by opposing counsel, the only real answer for some problems will be sighted assistance. Make friends with paralegals. Thats my advice. Also, make sure to learn as much as possible about how you can alter the settings of your ocr engine to get better results. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:55, Karla Gilbride via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Rahul, >> >> When I work with pdfs, I use the JAWS find command ((insert+control+f) and >> it works much better than the regular find command in Adobe. Hope this >> helps. >> >> Karla >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj >> via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:13 AM >> To: Gregory Chang Patti >> Cc: Rahul Bajaj; Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents >> >> Hi Patti, >> >> Thank you for your helpful response. >> I am assuming that by accessible copies you mean accessible PDFs. Are you >> able to work with large PDF documents without much difficulty? >> More specifically, are you able to use the find command in Adobe Reader in >> an efficient fashion, considering that it does not work well with JAWS? >> Further, it is also very difficult to copy text from a PDF document, so that >> is why I generally prefer using Word documents. >> Finally, have you configured Adobe Reader to read the entire document in a >> consolidated fashion, or do you instead use the single-page view option? >> Your responses to these 3 questions will be incredibly useful. Thank you. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >>> On 26/08/2016, Gregory Chang Patti wrote: >>> I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. >>> I matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know >>> that I can respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The >>> majority have had no problem doing so. >>> >>> >>> "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National >>> Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." >>> >>> Patti Gregory Chang >>> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer NFB >>> Scholarship Committee Chair pattischang at gmail.com NFB of IL: >>> www.nfbofillinois.org >>> NFB: www.nfb.org >>> >>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I hope this message finds you well. >>> I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible >>> strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following >>> challenges: >>> A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft >>> any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of >>> inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents >>> into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the >>> output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the >>> following 2 problems: >>> 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts >>> which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they >>> contain; 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to >>> access specific bits of information such as the date on which a >>> certain event happened, the para number of the submission of the other >>> party, the precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though >>> I use Fine Reader 11 and have tried using applications like >>> RoboBraille to obtain better conversion results, the final Word >>> Document often does not convey such information accurately. For >>> instance, if I have to draft a para-wise reply to the other party's >>> written submission, I need to know the precise para number in which >>> they have set forth a specific assertion. I am unable to do so at this >>> juncture. >>> B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain >>> document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For >>> instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may >>> have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious >>> fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which >>> various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a >>> certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the >>> sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion >>> process from PDF to Word. >>> >>> Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling >>> with these challenges. >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail. >> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.co m > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.co m From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 01:11:35 2016 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:11:35 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents In-Reply-To: <007e01d20090$c2c2e990$4848bcb0$@gmail.com> References: <41007FF8-DF0E-4F95-B565-AD321FF8AE54@gmail.com> <60612CA8-5AB7-4383-9EC2-011BA2B61F50@gmail.com> <007e01d20090$c2c2e990$4848bcb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: All, I would also love suggestions on altering OCR settings for various results. i am particularly interested in being able to convert a PDF to a Word document in such a way that Word will recognize when footnotes are footnotes. i have had some success with this, but it seems to work on documents at random and I'm not sure how to better ensure it keeps happening. On 8/27/16, Sy Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: > I actually don't know how to do it outside of Kurzweil 1000. That program > has a lot of settings you can fiddle with when scanning a difficult > document. I have never used Adobi Pro. Sorry! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Melissa Allman [mailto:mrallman116 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 1:14 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Sybren Hoekstra > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents > > I've been following this discussion and would really appreciate some tips > on > how to configure the settings of my OCR engine to get the best results. I > use Adobe Pro. Also, I like the suggestion of making friends with > paralegals > but we actually don't have any in the legal clinic where I work so I rely > on > student volunteers for accommodations and I might be able to cut down on my > need for them if OCR conversions were cleaner more often. Many times I rely > on these volunteers to clean up the documents so they are more accurate. > Don't get me started on the documents with handwriting on them ... I know > there's not much to be done about that. Anyway, tips on optimizing the > accuracy of the Adobe Pro OCR engine would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks. > > Melissa > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> I agree. Much more effective to use the jaws find command. Ditto for > searching ms word docs. >> >> It sounds like you are working with an entire record of a case or many > exchanges between parties condensed into one massive pdf. That sucks. I > have > had to deal with records from administrative agencies presented that way. > The only way i have used to get around them efficiently is to use bookmarks > after doing ocr conversion. But that is in kurzweil 1000. I think you can > create bookmarks in ms word as well. >> >> If you are at a firm though where you dont yet have the clout to >> influence > how documents are sent by opposing counsel, the only real answer for some > problems will be sighted assistance. Make friends with paralegals. Thats my > advice. Also, make sure to learn as much as possible about how you can > alter the settings of your ocr engine to get better results. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:55, Karla Gilbride via BlindLaw > wrote: >>> >>> Rahul, >>> >>> When I work with pdfs, I use the JAWS find command ((insert+control+f) > and >>> it works much better than the regular find command in Adobe. Hope this >>> helps. >>> >>> Karla >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul > Bajaj >>> via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:13 AM >>> To: Gregory Chang Patti >>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj; Blind Law Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Questions about Reading Large Documents >>> >>> Hi Patti, >>> >>> Thank you for your helpful response. >>> I am assuming that by accessible copies you mean accessible PDFs. Are >>> you >>> able to work with large PDF documents without much difficulty? >>> More specifically, are you able to use the find command in Adobe Reader > in >>> an efficient fashion, considering that it does not work well with JAWS? >>> Further, it is also very difficult to copy text from a PDF document, so > that >>> is why I generally prefer using Word documents. >>> Finally, have you configured Adobe Reader to read the entire document in > a >>> consolidated fashion, or do you instead use the single-page view option? >>> Your responses to these 3 questions will be incredibly useful. Thank >>> you. >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>>> On 26/08/2016, Gregory Chang Patti wrote: >>>> I have sometimes asked opposing counsel to send me an accessible copy. >>>> >>>> I matter of factly explain the conversion issues and let them know >>>> that I can respond more quickly if they can accommodate me. The >>>> majority have had no problem doing so. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Every day we raise the expectations of blind people in the National >>>> Federation of the Blind. Live the Life You Want." >>>> >>>> Patti Gregory Chang >>>> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois, Treasurer NFB >>>> Scholarship Committee Chair pattischang at gmail.com NFB of IL: >>>> www.nfbofillinois.org >>>> NFB: www.nfb.org >>>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> I hope this message finds you well. >>>> I wanted to solicit suggestions from you all about the possible >>>> strategies that I may be able to adopt to deal with the following >>>> challenges: >>>> A. Almost all documents that I am required to read in order to draft >>>> any written submission in an ongoing litigation are in the form of >>>> inaccessible PDFs. While FineReader helps me convert these documents >>>> into word and helps make them partially accessible, the quality of the >>>> output is still not up to the mark. More specifically, I face the >>>> following 2 problems: >>>> 1. Tables in the original PDF get disintegrated into several parts >>>> which makes it difficult to make sense of the information that they >>>> contain; 2. Since the devil is always in the detail, it is critical to >>>> access specific bits of information such as the date on which a >>>> certain event happened, the para number of the submission of the other >>>> party, the precise figures that have been set forth, etc. Even though >>>> I use Fine Reader 11 and have tried using applications like >>>> RoboBraille to obtain better conversion results, the final Word >>>> Document often does not convey such information accurately. For >>>> instance, if I have to draft a para-wise reply to the other party's >>>> written submission, I need to know the precise para number in which >>>> they have set forth a specific assertion. I am unable to do so at this >>>> juncture. >>>> B. In a large word document, how can I quickly jump to a certain >>>> document that forms the subject matter of the legal dispute? For >>>> instance, if I have to quickly refer to a letter that one party may >>>> have sent to the other, how can I get to that in an expeditious >>>> fashion? The table of contents delineates the page numbers on which >>>> various documents can be found, but unlike a PDF, one cannot jump to a >>>> certain page number in a Word document, as far as I know. Further, the >>>> sequence of the page numbers also gets disrupted by the conversion >>>> process from PDF to Word. >>>> >>>> Would be grateful if anyone could share possible ideas for grappling >>>> with these challenges. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Rahul >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pattischang%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kgilbride22%40hotmail. >>> com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.co > m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > From david.b.andrews at state.mn.us Mon Aug 29 15:36:19 2016 From: david.b.andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews, David B (DEED)) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:36:19 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Summer 2017 Legal Internship Opportunity, ACLUF, Human Rights Program - Please Post & Forward Message-ID: <2CBA05A7F34B34439FA5DDAC7DF99E4A2054AE44@055-CH1MPN1-002.055d.mgd.msft.net> From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia via Jobs Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 10:21 AM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Cc: Maurer, Patricia Subject: [Jobs] FW: Summer 2017 Legal Internship Opportunity, ACLUF, Human Rights Program - Please Post & Forward From: Cody Washington [mailto:hrintern2 at aclu.org] Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 4:32 PM To: Maurer, Patricia Subject: Summer 2017 Legal Internship Opportunity, ACLUF, Human Rights Program - Please Post & Forward August 26, 2016 SUMMER 2017 LEGAL INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITY AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION FOUNDATION Human Rights Program, New York For nearly 100 years, the ACLU has been our nation’s guardian of liberty, working in courts, legislatures, and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and laws of the United States. Whether it’s ending mass incarceration, achieving full equality for the LGBT community, establishing new privacy protections for our digital age, or preserving the right to vote or the right to have an abortion, the ACLU takes up the toughest civil liberties cases and issues to defend all people from government abuse and overreach. With more than a million members, activists, and supporters, the ACLU is a nationwide organization that fights tirelessly in all 50 states, Puerto Rico, and Washington, D.C., for the principle that every individual’s rights must be protected equally under the law, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, disability or national origin. The Human Rights Program (HRP) of the ACLU’S National Office in New York City seeks legal interns for the Summer of 2017. A stipend is available for those students who do not receive outside funding and/or course credit. Arrangements can also be made with the student’s law school for work/study stipends or course credit. OVERVIEW The Human Rights Program is part of the ACLU’s Center for Democracy, which works to strengthen democratic institutions and values, including the values of government transparency and accountability, and to reinforce the United States’ commitment to human rights and the rule of law. The Center for Democracy includes—in addition to the Human Rights Program- the Speech, Privacy and Technology Project and the National Security Project, and also works closely with staff from the ACLU’s Communications Department, Affiliate Support and Advocacy Department, and Washington Legislative Office. The Human Rights Program (HRP) is dedicated to holding the U.S. government accountable to its international human rights obligations and commitments. The Program uses human rights strategies to complement existing ACLU legal and legislative advocacy primarily in the areas of immigrants' rights, national security, women's rights, prisoners’ rights, criminal law reform, and racial justice. It conducts human rights documentation and related advocacy to combat human rights violations in the U.S., and it engages in advocacy and litigation before U.S. courts and international bodies, including the United Nations and regional human rights bodies (such as the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights). INTERNSHIP OVERVIEW Interns will have the opportunity to work on all aspects of domestic litigation and international advocacy. The internship is full-time and typically requires a 10 week commitment. ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES Interns will have the opportunity to gain valuable experience by working alongside the Program’s attorneys and human rights researchers. Interns will gain hands on experience in all aspects of litigation, human rights research and advocacy, including but not limited to : · Conducting legal research and factual investigation. · Drafting memoranda, affidavits, and briefs. · Other projects as assigned. DESIRED EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATIONS This Legal Internship is open to law students who will have completed their first semester of law school before the internship commences. Interns should possess the following: * Excellent research, writing, and communication skills. * A strong commitment to human rights and civil liberties issues. * The initiative to see projects through to completion. HOW TO APPLY Applicants should send a cover letter explaining their interest in the internship, their preference for a “primary” Project, including a description of their interest in a specific project, and any relevant life or work experience gained before or during law school; a resume; a list of three references; an official or unofficial transcript; and a legal writing sample, of 10 pages or less to: hrjobsHRP at aclu.org (please reference HRP Summer 2017 Legal Internship in the subject line). Please indicate in your cover letter where you learned of this internship opportunity. Students are encouraged to submit applications as early as possible, as decisions are made on a rolling basis. This job description provides a general but not comprehensive list of the essential responsibilities and qualifications required. It does not represent a contract of employment. The ACLU reserves the right to change the description and/or posting at any time without advance notice. The ACLU is an equal opportunity employer. We value a diverse workforce and an inclusive culture. The ACLU encourages applications from all qualified individuals without regard to race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, national origin, marital status, citizenship, disability, and veteran status. The ACLU undertakes affirmative action strategies in its recruitment and employment efforts to assure that persons with disabilities have full opportunities for employment in all positions. We encourage applicants with disabilities who may need accommodations in the application process to contact:hrjobsincl at aclu.org. Correspondence sent to this email address that is not related to requests for accommodations will not be reviewed. Applicants should follow the instructions above regarding how to apply. The ACLU comprises two separate corporate entities, the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation. 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Whether it’s defending the rights of people with disabilities, ending mass incarceration, achieving full equality for the LGBT community, establishing new privacy protections for our digital age, or preserving the right to vote or the right to have an abortion, the ACLU takes up the toughest civil liberties cases and issues to defend all people from government abuse and overreach. With more than a million members, activists, and supporters, the ACLU is a nationwide organization that fights tirelessly in all 50 states, Puerto Rico, and Washington, D.C., for the principle that every individual’s rights must be protected equally under the law, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, disability or national origin. The ACLU has a long history of defending the rights of people with disabilities. It played a major role in securing passage of the Americans with Disabilities Act, has battled discrimination against persons with HIV/AIDS, and stood up for the voting rights of persons with disabilities in the ongoing debate over electoral reform. It has fought to obtain adequate health care and access to services for prisoners with disabilities across the country and is now addressing fundamental civil rights issues in education, voting, criminal justice, and guardianship. The Equality Center – Disability Rights Program of the ACLU’s National Office in New York City and San Francisco seeks applicants for Summer 2017 Legal Internships. A stipend is available for those students who do not receive outside funding and/or course credit. Arrangements can be made with educational institutions for work/study or course credit. OVERVIEW The Disability Rights Program is currently focused in three areas: reducing the use of restraint and seclusion in schools, fighting the overuse and abuse of guardianship (and moving toward Supported Decision Making models), and fighting the over-representation of people with disabilities in the criminal justice system. INTERNSHIP OVERVIEW The internship is full-time and typically requires a 10 week commitment. ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES Our legal internship program is designed to provide legal interns with the opportunity to learn about public interest law, with a disability rights focus. Interns will work closely with the Equality Center – Disability Counsel. Legal interns will gain experience by: · Providing legal research, analysis, and writing. · Conducting Internet and other factual research and collaborating with staff in preparing background memoranda on selected policy issues. · Collecting and analyzing statistical and social science data for use in litigation and policy presentations. · Supporting outreach to disability organizations. · Supporting the development and maintenance of website materials and other public information outlets. · Working on special projects and other duties as assigned. DESIRED EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATIONS The internship is open to students, who are currently enrolled in law school, who have completed their first semester, and who possess the following: * Excellent research, writing and communications skills. · Proficiency in Microsoft Office Suite, including Internet research. · Ability to work independently. · Experience with disability rights law, legislative lobbying, and personal experience with disability preferred. · Demonstrated commitment to civil rights and civil liberties issues. HOW TO APPLY Please send a letter of interest describing your interest in disability rights and civil liberties, including any relevant life or work experience gained before or during law school; a resume; a writing sample (less than five pages); and the names and phone numbers of two references to hrjobsDRP at aclu.org - It is imperative that you reference [2017 Summer Legal Internship-Equality Center/ACLU-W] in the subject line. Please specify your desired office location in the cover letter. This email address is specific to Equality Center – Disability Rights Unit postings. In order to ensure your application is received, please make certain it is sent to the correct e-mail address. Please indicate in your cover letter where you learned of this internship opportunity. Students are encouraged to submit applications as early as possible as decisions are made on a rolling basis. Applications will be accepted until the internship is filled. This job description provides a general but not comprehensive list of the essential responsibilities and qualifications required. It does not represent a contract of employment. The ACLU reserves the right to change the description and/or posting at any time without advance notice. The ACLU is an equal opportunity employer. We value a diverse workforce and an inclusive culture. 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Whether it’s ending mass incarceration, achieving full equality for the LGBT community, establishing new privacy protections for our digital age, or preserving the right to vote or the right to have an abortion, the ACLU takes up the toughest civil liberties cases and issues to defend all people from government abuse and overreach. With more than a million members, activists, and supporters, the ACLU is a nationwide organization that fights tirelessly in all 50 states, Puerto Rico, and Washington, D.C., for the principle that every individual’s rights must be protected equally under the law, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, disability or national origin. The National Security Project of the ACLU’S National Office in New York City seeks legal interns for the Summer of 2017. A stipend is available for those students who do not receive outside funding and/or course credit. Arrangements can also be made with the student’s law school for work/study stipends or course credit. OVERVIEW The National Security Project is part of the ACLU’s Center for Democracy, which works to strengthen democratic institutions and values, to advocate for government transparency and accountability, and to reinforce the United States’ commitment to human rights and the rule of law. The Center for Democracy includes, in addition to the National Security Project, the Human Rights Program, and the Project on Speech, Privacy, and Technology. The National Security Project is dedicated to ensuring that U.S. national security policies and practices are consistent with the Constitution, civil liberties, and human rights. Our nation’s core democratic values are the foundation of its strength and security, and the Project works to ensure that our government’s response to national security concerns comports with those values. Through our litigation and advocacy strategies, we respond to specific government measures, and strive to educate the public and shape the law so that the courts, Congress, and citizenry can serve as an enduring check against abuse. The National Security Project’s litigation and advocacy focuses on issues including: government surveillance; targeted killing, unlawful detention, torture, discrimination, censorship, and secrecy. INTERNSHIP OVERVIEW Interns will have the opportunity to work on all aspects of litigation. The internship is full-time and typically requires a 10 week commitment, with a preferred start date of June 1, 2017. ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES Interns will have the opportunity to gain valuable experience by working alongside the Project’s attorneys. Interns will gain hands-on experience in all aspects of litigation, including but not limited to: · Conducting legal research and factual investigation. · Drafting memoranda, affidavits, and briefs. · Researching prospects for new litigation, including both factual and legal claims. · Other projects as assigned. DESIRED EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATIONS This Legal Internship is open to law students who will have completed their first semester of law school before the internship commences. Interns should possess the following: * Excellent research, writing, and communication skills. * Ability to analyze complex legal issues. * A strong commitment to civil rights and civil liberties issues, particularly as they relate to national security. * The initiative to see projects through to completion. HOW TO APPLY Applicants should send a cover letter explaining their interest in the internship and any relevant life or work experience gained before or during law school; a resume; a list of three references; an official or unofficial transcript; and a legal writing sample of no more than 10 pages: hrjobsNSP at aclu.org (please reference NSP Summer 2017 Legal Internship in the subject line). Please indicate in your cover letter where you learned of this internship opportunity. Students are encouraged to submit applications as early as possible, as decisions are made on a rolling basis. This job description provides a general but not comprehensive list of the essential responsibilities and qualifications required. It does not represent a contract of employment. The ACLU reserves the right to change the description and/or posting at any time without advance notice. The ACLU is an equal opportunity employer. We value a diverse workforce and an inclusive culture. The ACLU encourages applications from all qualified individuals without regard to race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, national origin, marital status, citizenship, disability, and veteran status. The ACLU undertakes affirmative action strategies in its recruitment and employment efforts to assure that persons with disabilities have full opportunities for employment in all positions. We encourage applicants with disabilities who may need accommodations in the application process to contact:hrjobsincl at aclu.org. Correspondence sent to this email address that is not related to requests for accommodations will not be reviewed. Applicants should follow the instructions above regarding how to apply. The ACLU comprises two separate corporate entities, the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation. Both the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation are national organizations with the same overall mission, and share office space and employees. The ACLU has two separate corporate entities in order to do a broad range of work to protect civil liberties. This job posting refers collectively to the two organizations under the name “ACLU.” -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/david.b.andrews%40state.mn.us From rene0373 at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 17:18:19 2016 From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 10:18:19 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] question about reading large documents Message-ID: <54088062-4D0C-499B-A8C6-91C2903C9D1B@gmail.com> Hi all, I haven't followed this thread, so someone may have suggested this already, but I regularly read 500-1000-page files by having them sent to me as digital PDF's, then opening them up in iBooks. That way I can use my iPhone or iPad to listen to them using VoiceOver, or, if the file comes in pieces, maybe only convert the necessary pieces into Word for closer reading. Apple handles digital PDFs so beautifully. Elizabeth Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com From mrallman116 at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 17:59:58 2016 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 12:59:58 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] question about reading large documents In-Reply-To: <54088062-4D0C-499B-A8C6-91C2903C9D1B@gmail.com> References: <54088062-4D0C-499B-A8C6-91C2903C9D1B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Elizabeth. I don't think anyone suggested this and yes it is a great idea. M I often do this as well. Unfortunately though, I have found circumstances where I open the PDF in iBooks and it doesn't read it there either. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 29, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all, > I haven't followed this thread, so someone may have suggested this already, but I regularly read 500-1000-page files by having them sent to me as digital PDF's, then opening them up in iBooks. That way I can use my iPhone or iPad to listen to them using VoiceOver, or, if the file comes in pieces, maybe only convert the necessary pieces into Word for closer reading. Apple handles digital PDFs so beautifully. > Elizabeth > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From david.b.andrews at state.mn.us Mon Aug 29 18:03:10 2016 From: david.b.andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews, David B (DEED)) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:03:10 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Summer 2017 Legal Internship, ACLUF, Program on Freedom of Religion - Please Post and Forward Message-ID: <2CBA05A7F34B34439FA5DDAC7DF99E4A2054BA57@055-CH1MPN1-002.055d.mgd.msft.net> From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia via Jobs Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:59 PM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Cc: Maurer, Patricia Subject: [Jobs] FW: Summer 2017 Legal Internship, ACLUF, Program on Freedom of Religion - Please Post and Forward From: Achka Romulus [mailto:hr_aromulus at aclu.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 10:57 AM To: Maurer, Patricia Subject: Summer 2017 Legal Internship, ACLUF, Program on Freedom of Religion - Please Post and Forward SUMMER 2017 LEGAL INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITY AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION FOUNDATION Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief Washington, DC For nearly 100 years, the ACLU has been our nation’s guardian of liberty, working in courts, legislatures, and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and laws of the United States. Whether it’s ending mass incarceration, achieving full equality for the LGBT community, establishing new privacy protections for our digital age, or preserving the right to vote or the right to have an abortion, the ACLU takes up the toughest civil liberties cases and issues to defend all people from government abuse and overreach. With more than a million members, activists, and supporters, the ACLU is a nationwide organization that fights tirelessly in all 50 states, Puerto Rico, and Washington, D.C., for the principle that every individual’s rights must be protected equally under the law, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, disability or national origin. The Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief (PFRB) of the ACLU’s National Office in Washington, DC seeks a legal intern for the Summer of 2017. A stipend is available for those students who do not receive outside funding and/or course credit. Arrangements can also be made with the student’s law school for work/study stipends or course credit. OVERVIEW The Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief is a division of the national ACLU. It is part of the ACLU’s Center for Liberty, which encompasses the ACLU’s work on women’s rights, reproductive freedom, LGBT rights and the rights of people living with HIV, and freedom of religion and belief. The Center for Liberty is dedicated to the principle that we are all entitled to determine the course of our lives based on who we are and what we believe, free from unreasonable government constraint and baseless stereotypes. The Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief is designed to safeguard the First Amendment’s guarantee of religious liberty by ensuring that laws and governmental practices neither promote religion nor interfere with its free exercise. Building on the ACLU’s near-century of work defending these constitutional principles, the Program employs an integrated strategy of litigation, public education, and advocacy. INTERNSHIP OVERVIEW The Summer 2017 legal internship is full-time and typically requires a 10 week full-time commitment. ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES Interns will have the opportunity to gain valuable experience by working closely with the Program staff. Interns will learn about all aspects of the Program’s work, including litigation, public education, and advocacy, and will gain experience by: · Conducting legal research and factual investigation. · Drafting of memoranda, complaints, discovery materials, and briefs. · Responding to ACLU affiliates, private attorneys, governmental entities, and others who seek the ACLU’s help. · Screening potential cases and researching or drafting materials for public education. DESIRED EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATIONS This Legal Internship is open to all law students who possess the following: · Excellent research, writing, analytical, and communication skills. · The initiative to see projects through to completion. · The ability to work with a wide range of people. · A strong interest and commitment to civil rights and civil liberties issues. HOW TO APPLY Applicants should send a cover letter describing their interest in religious liberty and civil liberties, including any relevant life or work experience gained before or during law school; a resume; three references; an official or unofficial transcript; and a legal writing sample, no more than 10 pages in length, via email to hrjobsPFRB at aclu.org - reference [Summer 2017 PFRB Legal Internship/ACLU-W] in the subject line. Please note that this is not the general ACLU applicant email address. This email address is specific to Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief postings. In order to ensure your application is received please make certain it is sent to the correct e-mail address. Please indicate in your cover letter where you learned of this internship opportunity. Students are encouraged to submit applications as early as possible, as decisions are made on a rolling basis. This job description provides a general but not comprehensive list of the essential responsibilities and qualifications required. It does not represent a contract of employment. The ACLU reserves the right to change the description and/or posting at any time without advance notice. The ACLU is an equal opportunity employer. We value a diverse workforce and an inclusive culture. The ACLU encourages applications from all qualified individuals without regard to race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, national origin, marital status, citizenship, disability, and veteran status. The ACLU undertakes affirmative action strategies in its recruitment and employment efforts to assure that persons with disabilities have full opportunities for employment in all positions. We encourage applicants with disabilities who may need accommodations in the application process to contact:hrjobsincl at aclu.org. Correspondence sent to this email address that is not related to requests for accommodations will not be reviewed. Applicants should follow the instructions above regarding how to apply. The ACLU comprises two separate corporate entities, the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation. Both the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation are national organizations with the same overall mission, and share office space and employees. The ACLU has two separate corporate entities in order to do a broad range of work to protect civil liberties. This job posting refers collectively to the two organizations under the name “ACLU.” -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/david.b.andrews%40state.mn.us From david.b.andrews at state.mn.us Mon Aug 29 18:06:32 2016 From: david.b.andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews, David B (DEED)) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:06:32 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] =?utf-8?q?FW=3A_Fall_2016_Internship_Opportunity=2C_Wo?= =?utf-8?q?men=E2=80=99s_Rights_Project_-_Please_Post_and_Forward?= Message-ID: <2CBA05A7F34B34439FA5DDAC7DF99E4A2054BAA4@055-CH1MPN1-002.055d.mgd.msft.net> From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia via Jobs Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:29 PM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Cc: Maurer, Patricia Subject: [Jobs] FW: Fall 2016 Internship Opportunity, Women’s Rights Project - Please Post and Forward From: Achka Romulus [mailto:hr_aromulus at aclu.org] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 11:47 AM To: Maurer, Patricia Subject: Fall 2016 Internship Opportunity, Women’s Rights Project - Please Post and Forward Fall 2016 LEGAL INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITY NOTICE TO LAW STUDENTS American Civil Liberties Union Foundation Women’s Rights Project, NY For nearly 100 years, the ACLU has been our nation’s guardian of liberty, working in courts, legislatures, and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and laws of the United States. Whether it’s ending mass incarceration, achieving full equality for the LGBT community, establishing new privacy protections for our digital age, or preserving the right to vote or the right to have an abortion, the ACLU takes up the toughest civil liberties cases and issues to defend all people from government abuse and overreach. With more than a million members, activists, and supporters, the ACLU is a nationwide organization that fights tirelessly in all 50 states, Puerto Rico, and Washington, D.C., for the principle that every individual’s rights must be protected equally under the law, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, disability or national origin. The Women’s Rights Project of the ACLU’s National Office in New York City seeks legal interns for the Fall of 2016. Arrangements can be made for work/study or course credit. A stipend is available for students who are unable to secure course credit or outside funding. OVERVIEW The Women’s Rights Project is part of the ACLU’s Center for Liberty, which is dedicated to the principle that we are all entitled to determine the course of our lives based on who we are and what we believe, free from unreasonable government constraint and baseless stereotypes. The Center for Liberty encompasses the ACLU’s work on women’s rights, reproductive freedom, LGBT rights and the rights of people living with HIV, and freedom of religion and belief. Founded in 1972 by Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the Women's Rights Project (WRP) has been a leader in the legal battles to ensure women’s full equality in American society. WRP is dedicated to the advancement of the rights and interests of women and works to implement ACLU policy in the area of gender discrimination. Through litigation, advocacy, and public education, WRP pushes for change and systemic reform in those institutions that perpetuate discrimination against women. WRP has been an active participant in virtually all of the major gender discrimination litigation in the Supreme Court and in significant communications and public education efforts on behalf of women and girls. WRP focuses on women’s rights in the following priority areas: employment, education, and violence against women. INTERNSHIP OVERVIEW: The Fall 2016 Legal Internship requires a 12-16 week commitment. The internship is part-time, with a weekly time commitment of 10-15 hours. Weekly hours are negotiable. ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES: Legal interns will have the opportunity to gain valuable experience by working alongside the Women’s Rights Project team. Interns will assist in all aspects of litigation. Interns will gain experience by working on the following: * Conducting legal and policy research. * Drafting memoranda, affidavits and briefs. * Researching prospects for new litigation, including both factual and legal claims. * Assisting with researching or drafting materials for public education. * Other projects as assigned. DESIRED EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATIONS: This legal internship is open to law students who have completed their first year of law school. * Excellent research, writing and communication skills. * Internet and legal database research skills. * Demonstrated initiative to see projects through to completion. * A strong interest and commitment to social justice, women’s rights, civil rights and civil liberties. HOW TO APPLY: Applicants should submit a letter of interest, a resume, three references, an unofficial transcript, and a legal writing sample of no more than ten pages to hrjobsWRP at aclu.org – reference [Fall 2016 WRP Legal Internship/ACLU-W]. Please submit materials as a single PDF, with your first and last name in the file name. Please list all documents enclosed on your cover letter. Please note that this is not the general ACLU applicant email address. This email address is specific to Women's Rights Project postings. In order to ensure your application is received please make certain it is sent to the correct e-mail address. Applications will be reviewed on a rolling basis; thus early application is advised. Applications will be accepted until all positions are filled, and should in any event be submitted no later than September 20, 2016. Please indicate in your cover letter where you found this job posting. This job description provides a general but not comprehensive list of the essential responsibilities and qualifications required. It does not represent a contract of employment. The ACLU reserves the right to change the description and/or posting at any time without advance notice. The ACLU is an equal opportunity employer. We value a diverse workforce and an inclusive culture. The ACLU encourages applications from all qualified individuals without regard to race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, national origin, marital status, citizenship, disability, and veteran status. The ACLU undertakes affirmative action strategies in its recruitment and employment efforts to assure that persons with disabilities have full opportunities for employment in all positions. We encourage applicants with disabilities who may need accommodations in the application process to contact:hrjobsincl at aclu.org. Correspondence sent to this email address that is not related to requests for accommodations will not be reviewed. Applicants should follow the instructions above regarding how to apply. The ACLU comprises two separate corporate entities, the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation. Both the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation are national organizations with the same overall mission, and share office space and employees. The ACLU has two separate corporate entities in order to do a broad range of work to protect civil liberties. This job posting refers collectively to the two organizations under the name “ACLU.” -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/david.b.andrews%40state.mn.us From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Mon Aug 29 18:34:51 2016 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 12:34:51 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] question about reading large documents In-Reply-To: References: <54088062-4D0C-499B-A8C6-91C2903C9D1B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <014601d20224$080d1900$18274b00$@labarrelaw.com> Hey folks, I haven't closely followed this whole thread and perhaps someone else has already mentioned this, but when I saw the discussion about the iPhone, it reminded me that the KNFB Reader app does a great job of converting pdf files. The app is less than $100 and does a good job alos, of course, of taking pictures and putting documents into text. That is its main purpose, afterall, but it also does a great job with pdf's. Best, Scott -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Allman via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:00 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: mrallman116 at gmail.com; Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question about reading large documents Hi Elizabeth. I don't think anyone suggested this and yes it is a great idea. M I often do this as well. Unfortunately though, I have found circumstances where I open the PDF in iBooks and it doesn't read it there either. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 29, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all, > I haven't followed this thread, so someone may have suggested this already, but I regularly read 500-1000-page files by having them sent to me as digital PDF's, then opening them up in iBooks. That way I can use my iPhone or iPad to listen to them using VoiceOver, or, if the file comes in pieces, maybe only convert the necessary pieces into Word for closer reading. Apple handles digital PDFs so beautifully. > Elizabeth > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 18:37:19 2016 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:37:19 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] question about reading large documents In-Reply-To: <014601d20224$080d1900$18274b00$@labarrelaw.com> References: <54088062-4D0C-499B-A8C6-91C2903C9D1B@gmail.com> <014601d20224$080d1900$18274b00$@labarrelaw.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I haven't read this thread but I like to convert these files to simple txt. That way I find they open and read very quickly and are the more word searchable. Where the document is internally paginated, this works particularly well. G On 8/29/16, Scott C. Labarre via BlindLaw wrote: > Hey folks, I haven't closely followed this whole thread and perhaps someone > else has already mentioned this, but when I saw the discussion about the > iPhone, it reminded me that the KNFB Reader app does a great job of > converting pdf files. The app is less than $100 and does a good job alos, > of course, of taking pictures and putting documents into text. That is its > main purpose, afterall, but it also does a great job with pdf's. > > Best, > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa > Allman via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:00 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: mrallman116 at gmail.com; Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question about reading large documents > > Hi Elizabeth. I don't think anyone suggested this and yes it is a great > idea. M I often do this as well. Unfortunately though, I have found > circumstances where I open the PDF in iBooks and it doesn't read it there > either. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 29, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> I haven't followed this thread, so someone may have suggested this >> already, but I regularly read 500-1000-page files by having them sent to >> me as digital PDF's, then opening them up in iBooks. That way I can use my >> iPhone or iPad to listen to them using VoiceOver, or, if the file comes in >> pieces, maybe only convert the necessary pieces into Word for closer >> reading. Apple handles digital PDFs so beautifully. >> Elizabeth >> >> Elizabeth M René >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From angie.matney at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 19:30:44 2016 From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:30:44 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] question about reading large documents In-Reply-To: References: <54088062-4D0C-499B-A8C6-91C2903C9D1B@gmail.com> <014601d20224$080d1900$18274b00$@labarrelaw.com> Message-ID: I usually convert to plain .txt files also. I keep an unaltered version and then make an extra copy where I put in my own marks to indicate important passages or section/document breaks. If I am feeling really ambitious, I might use html heading indicators, but usually I just use something like three slashes (///) to indicate the beginning of a new passage. (I don't know why I picked that string--it's just what I usually do.) I then might use (*) to mark something that is important to me, and I will often put my notes in angle brackets. I use plain text because they open more quickly and are also easily accessible on my braille displays that have internal note-taking capabilities, such as the Braille Edge I have for work. Having said this, my practice is transactional, so this method might not work for a litigator who needs information from pleadings that don't translate well into text. I do generally get enough information for my needs using this method. My assistant goes over any handwriting or other irregularities with me. If I need to edit the document, she converts it into Word and cleans it up before I edit. Angie On 8/29/16, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi all, > > I haven't read this thread but I like to convert these files to simple > txt. That way I find they open and read very quickly and are the more > word searchable. Where the document is internally paginated, this > works particularly well. > > G > > On 8/29/16, Scott C. Labarre via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hey folks, I haven't closely followed this whole thread and perhaps >> someone >> else has already mentioned this, but when I saw the discussion about the >> iPhone, it reminded me that the KNFB Reader app does a great job of >> converting pdf files. The app is less than $100 and does a good job alos, >> of course, of taking pictures and putting documents into text. That is >> its >> main purpose, afterall, but it also does a great job with pdf's. >> >> Best, >> Scott >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa >> Allman via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:00 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: mrallman116 at gmail.com; Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question about reading large documents >> >> Hi Elizabeth. I don't think anyone suggested this and yes it is a great >> idea. M I often do this as well. Unfortunately though, I have found >> circumstances where I open the PDF in iBooks and it doesn't read it there >> either. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 29, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I haven't followed this thread, so someone may have suggested this >>> already, but I regularly read 500-1000-page files by having them sent to >>> me as digital PDF's, then opening them up in iBooks. That way I can use >>> my >>> iPhone or iPad to listen to them using VoiceOver, or, if the file comes >>> in >>> pieces, maybe only convert the necessary pieces into Word for closer >>> reading. Apple handles digital PDFs so beautifully. >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> Elizabeth M René >>> Attorney at Law >>> WSBA #10710 >>> KCBA #21824 >>> rene0373 at gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com > From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Mon Aug 29 18:53:45 2016 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 12:53:45 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] question about reading large documents In-Reply-To: References: <54088062-4D0C-499B-A8C6-91C2903C9D1B@gmail.com> <014601d20224$080d1900$18274b00$@labarrelaw.com> Message-ID: <017601d20226$abeca070$03c5e150$@labarrelaw.com> Yes, I agree when the underlying PDF is accessible. When I spoke of the KNFB reader process, I was referring to those wonderful documents that we open up and JAWS etc says "empty document." Those beautiful scanned images. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:37 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question about reading large documents Hi all, I haven't read this thread but I like to convert these files to simple txt. That way I find they open and read very quickly and are the more word searchable. Where the document is internally paginated, this works particularly well. G On 8/29/16, Scott C. Labarre via BlindLaw wrote: > Hey folks, I haven't closely followed this whole thread and perhaps > someone else has already mentioned this, but when I saw the discussion > about the iPhone, it reminded me that the KNFB Reader app does a great > job of converting pdf files. The app is less than $100 and does a > good job alos, of course, of taking pictures and putting documents > into text. That is its main purpose, afterall, but it also does a great job with pdf's. > > Best, > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Melissa Allman via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:00 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: mrallman116 at gmail.com; Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] question about reading large documents > > Hi Elizabeth. I don't think anyone suggested this and yes it is a > great idea. M I often do this as well. Unfortunately though, I have > found circumstances where I open the PDF in iBooks and it doesn't read > it there either. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 29, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> I haven't followed this thread, so someone may have suggested this >> already, but I regularly read 500-1000-page files by having them sent >> to me as digital PDF's, then opening them up in iBooks. That way I >> can use my iPhone or iPad to listen to them using VoiceOver, or, if >> the file comes in pieces, maybe only convert the necessary pieces >> into Word for closer reading. Apple handles digital PDFs so beautifully. >> Elizabeth >> >> Elizabeth M René >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40g >> mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labar > relaw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%4 > 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com From david.b.andrews at state.mn.us Tue Aug 30 19:05:16 2016 From: david.b.andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews, David B (DEED)) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 19:05:16 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Summer 2017 Legal Internship Opportunity, ACLUF, Reproductive Freedom Project - Please Post & Forward Message-ID: <2CBA05A7F34B34439FA5DDAC7DF99E4A2054E477@055-CH1MPN1-002.055d.mgd.msft.net> From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia via Jobs Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:02 PM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Cc: Maurer, Patricia Subject: [Jobs] FW: Summer 2017 Legal Internship Opportunity, ACLUF, Reproductive Freedom Project - Please Post & Forward From: Cody Washington [mailto:hrintern2 at aclu.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:38 PM To: Maurer, Patricia Subject: Summer 2017 Legal Internship Opportunity, ACLUF, Reproductive Freedom Project - Please Post & Forward August 30, 2016 SUMMER 2017 LEGAL INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITY American Civil Liberties Union Foundation Reproductive Freedom Project, NY For nearly 100 years, the ACLU has been our nation’s guardian of liberty, working in courts, legislatures, and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and laws of the United States. Whether it’s ending mass incarceration, achieving full equality for the LGBT community, establishing new privacy protections for our digital age, or preserving the right to vote or the right to have an abortion, the ACLU takes up the toughest civil liberties cases and issues to defend all people from government abuse and overreach. With more than a million members, activists, and supporters, the ACLU is a nationwide organization that fights tirelessly in all 50 states, Puerto Rico, and Washington, D.C., for the principle that every individual’s rights must be protected equally under the law, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, disability or national origin. The Reproductive Freedom Project of the ACLU’s National Office in New York City seeks legal interns for the Summer of 2017. A stipend is available for those students who do not receive outside funding and/or course credit. Arrangements can be made with educational institutions for work/study or course credit. OVERVIEW The ACLU Reproductive Freedom Project’s (RFP) mission is to secure a world that respects and supports everyone’s right to form intimate relationships and to decide whether and when to have a child. Through litigation, advocacy, and public education, the Project strives to ensure that the freedoms and opportunities enjoyed by some become the freedoms and opportunities enjoyed by all. In particular, RFP works to ensure access to abortion services, comprehensive sex education, and affordable contraception, and to protect the rights of all women to continue their pregnancies. The ACLU is particularly committed to ensuring that individuals’ reproductive rights are not compromised because of their race, youth, or economic status, and believes that reproductive rights work must be informed by broader racial and social justice considerations. For more than three decades, RFP has participated in nearly every critical reproductive rights case before the Supreme Court. It has also participated in significant cases in federal and state courts too numerous to count, including challenges to TRAP (“targeted regulation of abortion providers”) laws; laws that defund organizations because they provide or refer for abortion; bans on abortion procedures; laws that restrict teens’ access to abortion; and restrictions on insurance coverage of abortion. The ACLU is also the nation’s leading expert on the intersection between reproductive rights and the religion and free speech clauses of the First Amendment. The Reproductive Freedom Project is unique among reproductive rights organizations in that it works with the ACLU’s nationwide network of affiliates and other attorneys in the organization who specialize in other civil liberties areas, including free speech, race and poverty issues, and lesbian and gay rights. In addition, the Reproductive Freedom Project is part of the ACLU’s Center for Liberty, which is dedicated to the principle that we are all entitled to determine the course of our lives based on who we are and what we believe, free from unreasonable government constraint and baseless stereotypes. The Center for Liberty encompasses the ACLU’s work on reproductive rights, women’s rights, LGBT issues, and freedom of religion and belief. INTERNSHIP OVERVIEW The internship offers the opportunity to work on a variety of litigation projects. The internship is full-time and requires a 10 week commitment. ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES Interns will have the opportunity to gain valuable experience by working alongside the Reproductive Freedom Project team. Interns will assist in all aspects of litigation, and will gain experience by: · Conducting legal and policy research. · Drafting memoranda, affidavits and briefs. · Researching prospects for new litigation, including both factual and legal claims. · Supporting research and drafting of materials for public education. DESIRED EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATIONS This legal internship is open to law students who have completed their first year of law school before the internship commences. Interns should possess the following: · Excellent research, writing and communication skills. · Proficiency in Microsoft Office Suite, including internet research. · The initiative to see projects through to completion. · Demonstrated interest in social justice and legal issues. · A strong interest and commitment to civil rights and civil liberties issues. HOW TO APPLY Applicants should send a cover letter describing their interest in reproductive freedom and civil liberties, including any relevant life or work experience gained before or during law school; a resume; the names and telephone numbers of three references; an official or unofficial transcript; and a legal writing sample, preferably 10 pages or less to hrjobsRFP at aclu.org . Please reference [RFP Summer 2017 Legal Internship/ACLU-W] in the subject line. This email address is specific to Reproductive Freedom Project postings. In order to ensure your application is received, please make certain it is sent to the correct e-mail address. Please indicate in your cover letter where you learned of this internship opportunity. Students are encouraged to submit applications as early as possible, as decisions are made on a rolling basis. This job description provides a general but not comprehensive list of the essential responsibilities and qualifications required. It does not represent a contract of employment. The ACLU reserves the right to change the description and/or posting at any time without advance notice. The ACLU is an equal opportunity employer. We value a diverse workforce and an inclusive culture. The ACLU encourages applications from all qualified individuals without regard to race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, national origin, marital status, citizenship, disability, and veteran status. The ACLU undertakes affirmative action strategies in its recruitment and employment efforts to assure that persons with disabilities have full opportunities for employment in all positions. We encourage applicants with disabilities who may need accommodations in the application process to contact:hrjobsincl at aclu.org. Correspondence sent to this email address that is not related to requests for accommodations will not be reviewed. Applicants should follow the instructions above regarding how to apply. The ACLU comprises two separate corporate entities, the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation. Both the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU Foundation are national organizations with the same overall mission, and share office space and employees. The ACLU has two separate corporate entities in order to do a broad range of work to protect civil liberties. This job posting refers collectively to the two organizations under the name “ACLU.” -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/david.b.andrews%40state.mn.us